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Hi Bruno Marchal That's right. One can refrain from sinning because of love of God rather than fear of Hell. I sometimes try to do that when I don't feel that guilty personally. It's just like you would be moral because that's what your parents want you to be. "It's the right thing to do." not be moral because you fear they'll punish you. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/19/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-19, 11:25:07 Subject: Re: Men don't get no respect these days Hi Roger, On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:34, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes By killing the father, I meant belittling the male, but come to think of it, I don't recall seeing anything direct except in the ads and how men were treated on the screen. But it's been achieved. And indeed, there have been many atrocities committed in God's name. But they really din't fear God-- because murder is forbidden in any religion I can think of. Religion doesn't make the USA better because most of our religion is just church-going-- social Christianity. I would prefer, if possible, that another does not harm me, not because he fear god, but because he is a good guy. Or perhaps he suspects himself to be me and naturally avoids the unnecessary harm. It is enough to fear the Devil, for God sake. For the Neoplatonist, God is good, by definition. You can't really fear the good. No? Or perhaps you are or feel guilty? Even in that case I would think that it is better to fear the Devil than God. But to be honest, I am sure of nothing, on this plane, and I am perhaps extending a bit wildly the arithmetical interpretation of Plotinus on the Enneads not yet treated "arithmetically". (= in layman term, I have not interviewed the LUM on this). Yet, to fear God seems to me almost like a contradiction. God is truth, and I can imagine a reasonable amount of reasonable fears, but for the neoplatonist God is good, also, and it is more the departure from truth which are to be feared, in the limit. It is the departure from truth which might make truth looking frightening, after sometimes, but that's what the Devil will exploited. Bruno [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content ----- From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-17, 09:12:39 Subject: Re: Men don't get no respect these days Hi Roger, Lakoff is correct about conservatism and the father. It is not a pathology, however, to?espect your ?arents, Agreed. and respect is a mixture of love and fear. For me respect is a mixture of love and admiration, which are things that have to be earned. I loved and admired my father. I never feared him. To fear him I would have to believe that he was willing to harm me, and that would probably interfere with the love/admiration part. My mother is a catholic and my father was agnostic. He agreed to put me through religious school and remain neutral on the entire thing. Up to one day when I was a little kid and couldn't sleep because I was afraid of going to hell. He told me: "don't worry, that god they are telling you about doesn't exist". It was the biggest relief in my life. Religion tried to instill fear into me, when I was a little kid and psychologically vulnerable. My father taught me how to be a decent human being, no strings attached. Guess who I still love these days? That's one of the ten commandments. And if people feared God more, incidents like the mass murders in CT would be much fewer. God should be returned to the classroom. It doesn't have to be the Christian God. Let's not even discuss the mountain of atrocities that were committed in God's name. A recent one: 9/11. The USA (a country I greatly admire for its many achievements, including its constitution) is currently the least secular country in the western world. Yet it's the only place where this stuff is happening. How come? Here in godless Europe we have the lowest levels of church attendance ever, legalised prostitution, gay marriage, decriminalised drugs and it's ok to show female breasts on TV. Yet none of that stuff is happening here. The only similar event we had was?erpetrated?y a god fearing hard-core conservative. The Women's Movement has unfortunately killed the father in their understable desire for wage equality etc. I had a great father. Many of my childhood friends did too, and then became fathers themselves, and they seem to be doing well. What do you mean exactly? I challenge you to find one ad on TV or radio that does not feature a man as other than
Re: Men don't get no respect these days
On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:36, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg I had been talking about fear of God, but fear of the law (meaning fear of diobeying the law) helps keep our streets safer. Only the laws coherent with a (reasonable) constitution. Again, no reason to fear them, as they protect you and your freedom. Bruno [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-17, 11:59:08 Subject: Re: Men don't get no respect these days On Monday, December 17, 2012 9:41:13 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 9:23 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > Stamping out fear of every kind in the world is a worthy cause. Wrong! Fear of those things that will kill you is healthy. This is why pain exists. Then we should promote a crippling fear of fast food and a stressful, sedentary lifestyle. It is important to be able to pay attention to what is dangerous and to be able to act responsibly toward it, but there's no reason to ornament it with any sentiment or patriotism. I have no problem avoiding things that can kill me without nurturing fears about them. Craig -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/BkUwC4NnjGgJ . To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Men don't get no respect these days
Hi Roger, On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:34, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes By killing the father, I meant belittling the male, but come to think of it, I don't recall seeing anything direct except in the ads and how men were treated on the screen. But it's been achieved. And indeed, there have been many atrocities committed in God's name. But they really din't fear God-- because murder is forbidden in any religion I can think of. Religion doesn't make the USA better because most of our religion is just church-going-- social Christianity. I would prefer, if possible, that another does not harm me, not because he fear god, but because he is a good guy. Or perhaps he suspects himself to be me and naturally avoids the unnecessary harm. It is enough to fear the Devil, for God sake. For the Neoplatonist, God is good, by definition. You can't really fear the good. No? Or perhaps you are or feel guilty? Even in that case I would think that it is better to fear the Devil than God. But to be honest, I am sure of nothing, on this plane, and I am perhaps extending a bit wildly the arithmetical interpretation of Plotinus on the Enneads not yet treated "arithmetically". (= in layman term, I have not interviewed the LUM on this). Yet, to fear God seems to me almost like a contradiction. God is truth, and I can imagine a reasonable amount of reasonable fears, but for the neoplatonist God is good, also, and it is more the departure from truth which are to be feared, in the limit. It is the departure from truth which might make truth looking frightening, after sometimes, but that's what the Devil will exploited. Bruno [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-17, 09:12:39 Subject: Re: Men don't get no respect these days Hi Roger, Lakoff is correct about conservatism and the father. It is not a pathology, however, to爎espect your 爌arents, Agreed. � and respect is a mixture of love and fear. For me respect is a mixture of love and admiration, which are things that have to be earned. I loved and admired my father. I never feared him. To fear him I would have to believe that he was willing to harm me, and that would probably interfere with the love/ admiration part. My mother is a catholic and my father was agnostic. He agreed to put me through religious school and remain neutral on the entire thing. Up to one day when I was a little kid and couldn't sleep because I was afraid of going to hell. He told me: "don't worry, that god they are telling you about doesn't exist". It was the biggest relief in my life. Religion tried to instill fear into me, when I was a little kid and psychologically vulnerable. My father taught me how to be a decent human being, no strings attached. Guess who I still love these days? � That's one of the ten commandments. � And if people feared God more, incidents like the mass murders in CT would be much fewer. God should be returned to the classroom. It doesn't have to be the Christian God. Let's not even discuss the mountain of atrocities that were committed in God's name. A recent one: 9/11. The USA (a country I greatly admire for its many achievements, including its constitution) is currently the least secular country in the western world. Yet it's the only place where this stuff is happening. How come? Here in godless Europe we have the lowest levels of church attendance ever, legalised prostitution, gay marriage, decriminalised drugs and it's ok to show female breasts on TV. Yet none of that stuff is happening here. The only similar event we had was爌erpetrated燽y a god fearing hard-core conservative. � � The Women's Movement has unfortunately killed the father in their understable desire for wage equality etc. I had a great father. Many of my childhood friends did too, and then became fathers themselves, and they seem to be doing well. What do you mean exactly? � I challenge you to find one ad on TV or radio that does not feature a man as other than a fool. � � And the death of the father has turned progressives into anarchists. The death of the father is the deathy of morality. It's the main problem with society today. By objective metrics measuring violence, society nowadays is the best it ever was. The likelihood of you being the victim of a violent crime is the lowest ever. Mainstream media blows things out of proportion, that's all. Best, Telmo. � � � [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen � - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-
Re: Men don't get no respect these days
On 17 Dec 2012, at 17:38, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Roger, I am not sure. If you are kind with ùe, I will love you, but if later I hear that you are kind with me because you fear God, I will not sure I will attribute any genuine kindness to you anymore. Love of God can be the beginning of wisdom, and perhaps some fear of the devil can be a beginning of lucidity. But to fear God seems to me a bit weird. It is better to fear yourself. Bruno And it also damps down crime, cruelty and murder. We should not only fear (and love) God, but fear Satan. Because as that mass murder of children over the weekend shows, evil is real. That's the simplest explanation, which you liberals can't accept and so go around searching for some complex psychological reason for why that creep murdered those children. That may be the only thing you can be sure about in this life, that evil is real. It isn't just words. It's real. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-17, 09:41:13 Subject: Re: Men don't get no respect these days On 12/17/2012 9:23 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > Stamping out fear of every kind in the world is a worthy cause. Wrong! Fear of those things that will kill you is healthy. This is why pain exists. -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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Do not fall for the US mistake to call the prez's administration a "government". In this country GOVERNMENT = CONGRESS, they spend, or save. Boehner's majority deal: do it MY WAY and I agree. Obama is not republican: he is weak. JM On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Stephen P. King > wrote: > > On 12/17/2012 12:42 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > >> > >> You know that the Republican administrations have been the worst deficit > >> spenders though. > > > > > > Obama must be a Republican! > > Same goes for FDR. The circumstances are extenuating. > > > > > > -- > > Onward! > > > > Stephen > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 12/17/2012 12:42 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> You know that the Republican administrations have been the worst deficit >> spenders though. > > > Obama must be a Republican! Same goes for FDR. The circumstances are extenuating. > > -- > Onward! > > Stephen > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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On 12/17/2012 12:42 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: You know that the Republican administrations have been the worst deficit spenders though. Obama must be a Republican! -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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Hi Craig Weinberg I had been talking about fear of God, but fear of the law (meaning fear of diobeying the law) helps keep our streets safer. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-17, 11:59:08 Subject: Re: Men don't get no respect these days On Monday, December 17, 2012 9:41:13 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 9:23 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > Stamping out fear of every kind in the world is a worthy cause. Wrong! Fear of those things that will kill you is healthy. This is why pain exists. Then we should promote a crippling fear of fast food and a stressful, sedentary lifestyle. It is important to be able to pay attention to what is dangerous and to be able to act responsibly toward it, but there's no reason to ornament it with any sentiment or patriotism. I have no problem avoiding things that can kill me without nurturing fears about them. Craig -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/BkUwC4NnjGgJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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Hi Telmo Menezes By killing the father, I meant belittling the male, but come to think of it, I don't recall seeing anything direct except in the ads and how men were treated on the screen. But it's been achieved. And indeed, there have been many atrocities committed in God's name. But they really din't fear God-- because murder is forbidden in any religion I can think of. Religion doesn't make the USA better because most of our religion is just church-going-- social Christianity. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-17, 09:12:39 Subject: Re: Men don't get no respect these days Hi Roger, Lakoff is correct about conservatism and the father. It is not a pathology, however, to?espect your ?arents, Agreed. ? and respect is a mixture of love and fear. For me respect is a mixture of love and admiration, which are things that have to be earned. I loved and admired my father. I never feared him. To fear him I would have to believe that he was willing to harm me, and that would probably interfere with the love/admiration part. My mother is a catholic and my father was agnostic. He agreed to put me through religious school and remain neutral on the entire thing. Up to one day when I was a little kid and couldn't sleep because I was afraid of going to hell. He told me: "don't worry, that god they are telling you about doesn't exist". It was the biggest relief in my life. Religion tried to instill fear into me, when I was a little kid and psychologically vulnerable. My father taught me how to be a decent human being, no strings attached. Guess who I still love these days? ? That's one of the ten commandments. ? And if people feared God more, incidents like the mass murders in CT would be much fewer. God should be returned to the classroom. It doesn't have to be the Christian God. Let's not even discuss the mountain of atrocities that were committed in God's name. A recent one: 9/11. The USA (a country I greatly admire for its many achievements, including its constitution) is currently the least secular country in the western world. Yet it's the only place where this stuff is happening. How come? Here in godless Europe we have the lowest levels of church attendance ever, legalised prostitution, gay marriage, decriminalised drugs and it's ok to show female breasts on TV. Yet none of that stuff is happening here. The only similar event we had was?erpetrated?y a god fearing hard-core conservative. ? ? The Women's Movement has unfortunately killed the father in their understable desire for wage equality etc. I had a great father. Many of my childhood friends did too, and then became fathers themselves, and they seem to be doing well. What do you mean exactly? ? I challenge you to find one ad on TV or radio that does not feature a man as other than a fool. ? ? And the death of the father has turned progressives into anarchists. The death of the father is the deathy of morality. It's the main problem with society today. By objective metrics measuring violence, society nowadays is the best it ever was. The likelihood of you being the victim of a violent crime is the lowest ever. Mainstream media blows things out of proportion, that's all. Best, Telmo. ? ? ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ? - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-16, 01:02:40 Subject: Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge On Sunday, December 16, 2012 12:15:28 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Can you answer my question? Because conservatives generally speak from the perspective of the dominant culture. Hi Craig, ?? Are there some other characteristics of conservatives that identifies them? Does the particular nature of the culture matter for you? Lakoff seems to be on to something when he says that conservatives represent the view of the strict father oriented family. Which gibes with the whole 'pathology rooted in fear and aggression' diagnosis in that study I quoted.? The perspective is always - 'people who aren't like me have it easy' or 'inequality isn't important'. It's never 'yes, of course as a white male in the US, I am among the most privileged people who has ever lived, and I recognize the problems that might pose to others outside of my group and how important it is to address those problems and participate with those others as equals to the extent that I can.' ? ?? OK, being born into a class automatically places a burden on one
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On Monday, December 17, 2012 11:38:12 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig > > Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. > And it also damps down crime, cruelty and murder. > > We should not only fear (and love) God, but fear Satan. > No, we should grow up and understand reality as it is, not as we have been told it is. > Because as that mass murder of children over the weekend shows, > evil is real. > The belief in evil is exactly what attracts some people to do horrible acts. People murder their own kids because God told them to do it also. Super-signifying agents should be understood, not loved or feared. > That's the simplest explanation, which > you liberals can't accept and so go around searching > for some complex psychological reason for why that > creep murdered those children. > There's all kinds of reasons for the increasing incidents of white-males in mass shootings, but with the arsenal his mother had, we can safely assume that she was not a Progressive, permissive parent. Not that it matters though. Whatever the reason, I think that we can't afford not to have some large areas of the country (cities, counties, or states) where guns are banned. > That may be the only thing you can be sure about in this life, > that evil is real. It isn't just words. It's real. > Evil is more than real and less than real. Evil is the a personal orientation toward motivation by love and understanding or fear and hatred. Evil is when natural appetites are suppressed out of fear until they find another way to be heard. Evil is when a society is so sick with greed and sterilized by mechanism that it turns its offices and schools into prisons. As far as I'm concerned, these killers should be turned over to the families of the victims who should do whatever they want to them if possible. It's not about fighting Evil, it's about giving justice where possible. Fighting Evil is like fighting bacteria with antibiotics - there is just going to be more resistance the more we invest in fear of it. Craig > [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net] > 12/17/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > - Receiving the following content ----- > *From:* Stephen P. King > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2012-12-17, 09:41:13 > *Subject:* Re: Men don't get no respect these days > > On 12/17/2012 9:23 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Stamping out fear of every kind in the world is a worthy cause. > > Wrong! > > Fear of those things that will kill you is healthy. This is why > pain exists. > > -- > Onward! > > Stephen > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+ > unsub...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/8GRcU3ErYBYJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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On Monday, December 17, 2012 11:02:07 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 12/17/2012 10:55 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > > > Actually the fourth commandment is to HONOR your parents. > > You don't have to love them, just respect them for what they've > > given you. > > I think that "Thou shalt not steal" covers theft from future > generations of people, which is what "deficit spending" actually is! But > who cares about those old dusty and hide bound rules. We can live free > from contraints of reality, so long as we can figure out rational > reasons to do so. > > You know that the Republican administrations have been the worst deficit spenders though. > It seems that we are doomed to learn lessons the hard way. "Damn, > that stove burned my hand. I had better not touch it w/o a insulating > device..." > > > > > [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net ] > > 12/17/2012 > > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > > ----- Receiving the following content - > > From: Craig Weinberg > > Receiver: everything-list > > Time: 2012-12-17, 09:23:15 > > Subject: Re: Men don't get no respect these days > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, December 17, 2012 9:12:39 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: > > Hi Roger, > > > > > > Lakoff is correct about conservatism and the father. > > It is not a pathology, however, to respect your parents, > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > and respect is a mixture of love and fear. > > > > > > For me respect is a mixture of love and admiration, which are things > that have to be earned. I loved and admired my father. I never feared him. > To fear him I would have to believe that he was willing to harm me, and > that would probably interfere with the love/admiration part. > > > > Yes. Fear within the family is unquestionably pathological. People who > have lived with fear I think are compelled to rationalize it by equating it > with Fright - which is a natural state of exhilaration and vigilance in the > presence of a potential sudden threat. Fear serves nothing but tyranny, > vanity, and perversion. Stamping out fear of every kind in the world is a > worthy cause. > > > > Admiration is the healthy basis for a natural family hierarchy. > Unconditional love means that you know that your parents and you are nearly > the same people and that it will always be their good pleasure to support > you in anything that you truly want to be or do. > > > > > > > > > > My mother is a catholic and my father was agnostic. He agreed to put me > through religious school and remain neutral on the entire thing. Up to one > day when I was a little kid and couldn't sleep because I was afraid of > going to hell. He told me: "don't worry, that god they are telling you > about doesn't exist". It was the biggest relief in my life. > > > > > > Religion tried to instill fear into me, when I was a little kid and > psychologically vulnerable. My father taught me how to be a decent human > being, no strings attached. Guess who I still love these days? > > > > That's the thing, proponents of tough love don't ever seem to dare to > look for falsification. I was just debating this on Quora last week with a > guy telling me how his parents punished him and they were the greatest > parents, but then said he had committed 50 felonies including armed robbery > by the time he was 17. Uhh, ok. Stockholm syndrome much? > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > That's one of the ten commandments. > > > > And if people feared God more, incidents like the > > mass murders in CT would be much fewer. God > > should be returned to the classroom. It doesn't have to be > > the Christian God. > > > > > > Let's not even discuss the mountain of atrocities that were committed in > God's name. A recent one: 9/11. > > > > > > The USA (a country I greatly admire for its many achievements, including > its constitution) is currently the least secular country in the western > world. Yet it's the only place where this stuff is happening. How come? > > > > > > Here in godless Europe we have the lowest levels of church attendance > ever, legalised prostitution, gay marriage, decriminalised drugs and it's > ok to show female breasts on TV. Yet none of that stuff is happeni
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On Monday, December 17, 2012 10:55:03 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > Actually the fourth commandment is to HONOR your parents. > You don't have to love them, just respect them for what they've > given you. > It is a parents job to give their kids what they can. If a person is respectable, then they deserve respect. If a person is loving or lovable, then they should be loved. I agree parents should be honored - i.e., I return their phone calls in a timely manner. I call them a couple times a month. I maintain pleasant communications with them. Other than that - my bondage to parenthood is paid in full. Craig > > > [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net ] > 12/17/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > - Receiving the following content - > From: Craig Weinberg > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-12-17, 09:23:15 > Subject: Re: Men don't get no respect these days > > > > > On Monday, December 17, 2012 9:12:39 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: > Hi Roger, > > > Lakoff is correct about conservatism and the father. > It is not a pathology, however, to respect your parents, > > > Agreed. > > and respect is a mixture of love and fear. > > > For me respect is a mixture of love and admiration, which are things that > have to be earned. I loved and admired my father. I never feared him. To > fear him I would have to believe that he was willing to harm me, and that > would probably interfere with the love/admiration part. > > Yes. Fear within the family is unquestionably pathological. People who > have lived with fear I think are compelled to rationalize it by equating it > with Fright - which is a natural state of exhilaration and vigilance in the > presence of a potential sudden threat. Fear serves nothing but tyranny, > vanity, and perversion. Stamping out fear of every kind in the world is a > worthy cause. > > Admiration is the healthy basis for a natural family hierarchy. > Unconditional love means that you know that your parents and you are nearly > the same people and that it will always be their good pleasure to support > you in anything that you truly want to be or do. > > > > > My mother is a catholic and my father was agnostic. He agreed to put me > through religious school and remain neutral on the entire thing. Up to one > day when I was a little kid and couldn't sleep because I was afraid of > going to hell. He told me: "don't worry, that god they are telling you > about doesn't exist". It was the biggest relief in my life. > > > Religion tried to instill fear into me, when I was a little kid and > psychologically vulnerable. My father taught me how to be a decent human > being, no strings attached. Guess who I still love these days? > > That's the thing, proponents of tough love don't ever seem to dare to look > for falsification. I was just debating this on Quora last week with a guy > telling me how his parents punished him and they were the greatest parents, > but then said he had committed 50 felonies including armed robbery by the > time he was 17. Uhh, ok. Stockholm syndrome much? > > Craig > > > > That's one of the ten commandments. > > And if people feared God more, incidents like the > mass murders in CT would be much fewer. God > should be returned to the classroom. It doesn't have to be > the Christian God. > > > Let's not even discuss the mountain of atrocities that were committed in > God's name. A recent one: 9/11. > > > The USA (a country I greatly admire for its many achievements, including > its constitution) is currently the least secular country in the western > world. Yet it's the only place where this stuff is happening. How come? > > > Here in godless Europe we have the lowest levels of church attendance > ever, legalised prostitution, gay marriage, decriminalised drugs and it's > ok to show female breasts on TV. Yet none of that stuff is happening here. > The only similar event we had was perpetrated by a god fearing hard-core > conservative. > > > The Women's Movement has unfortunately killed > the father in their understable desire for wage equality etc. > > > I had a great father. Many of my childhood friends did too, and then > became fathers themselves, and they seem to be doing well. What do you mean > exactly? > > I challenge you to find one ad on TV or radio that > does not feature a man as other than a fool. > > > And the death of the father has turned progressives into > anarchists.
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On 12/17/2012 11:59 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, December 17, 2012 9:41:13 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 9:23 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > Stamping out fear of every kind in the world is a worthy cause. Wrong! Fear of those things that will kill you is healthy. This is why pain exists. Then we should promote a crippling fear of fast food and a stressful, sedentary lifestyle. Craig, What is with the constant weaponizing of fear? Is there nothing nice and wonderful point in the world that we can just stop and love the fact that we are alive? We are here, IMHO, to experience the fullness of Sense. Damping it down into "safe bites" is nothing more than trying to do the job of thermodynamics faster. We are, after all, identical to each other in the last of days. System at max entropy, time stop. end video. __ It is important to be able to pay attention to what is dangerous and to be able to act responsibly toward it, but there's no reason to ornament it with any sentiment or patriotism. I have no problem avoiding things that can kill me without nurturing fears about them. Flail away, but your just missing out. You have any kids yet? Relax man, here, have a bowl! (while you can!) -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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On Monday, December 17, 2012 9:41:13 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 12/17/2012 9:23 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Stamping out fear of every kind in the world is a worthy cause. > > Wrong! > > Fear of those things that will kill you is healthy. This is why > pain exists. > Then we should promote a crippling fear of fast food and a stressful, sedentary lifestyle. It is important to be able to pay attention to what is dangerous and to be able to act responsibly toward it, but there's no reason to ornament it with any sentiment or patriotism. I have no problem avoiding things that can kill me without nurturing fears about them. Craig > -- > Onward! > > Stephen > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/BkUwC4NnjGgJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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Hi Craig Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. And it also damps down crime, cruelty and murder. We should not only fear (and love) God, but fear Satan. Because as that mass murder of children over the weekend shows, evil is real. That's the simplest explanation, which you liberals can't accept and so go around searching for some complex psychological reason for why that creep murdered those children. That may be the only thing you can be sure about in this life, that evil is real. It isn't just words. It's real. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-17, 09:41:13 Subject: Re: Men don't get no respect these days On 12/17/2012 9:23 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > Stamping out fear of every kind in the world is a worthy cause. Wrong! Fear of those things that will kill you is healthy. This is why pain exists. -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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On 12/17/2012 10:55 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Actually the fourth commandment is to HONOR your parents. You don't have to love them, just respect them for what they've given you. I think that "Thou shalt not steal" covers theft from future generations of people, which is what "deficit spending" actually is! But who cares about those old dusty and hide bound rules. We can live free from contraints of reality, so long as we can figure out rational reasons to do so. It seems that we are doomed to learn lessons the hard way. "Damn, that stove burned my hand. I had better not touch it w/o a insulating device..." [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-17, 09:23:15 Subject: Re: Men don't get no respect these days On Monday, December 17, 2012 9:12:39 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: Hi Roger, Lakoff is correct about conservatism and the father. It is not a pathology, however, to respect your parents, Agreed. and respect is a mixture of love and fear. For me respect is a mixture of love and admiration, which are things that have to be earned. I loved and admired my father. I never feared him. To fear him I would have to believe that he was willing to harm me, and that would probably interfere with the love/admiration part. Yes. Fear within the family is unquestionably pathological. People who have lived with fear I think are compelled to rationalize it by equating it with Fright - which is a natural state of exhilaration and vigilance in the presence of a potential sudden threat. Fear serves nothing but tyranny, vanity, and perversion. Stamping out fear of every kind in the world is a worthy cause. Admiration is the healthy basis for a natural family hierarchy. Unconditional love means that you know that your parents and you are nearly the same people and that it will always be their good pleasure to support you in anything that you truly want to be or do. My mother is a catholic and my father was agnostic. He agreed to put me through religious school and remain neutral on the entire thing. Up to one day when I was a little kid and couldn't sleep because I was afraid of going to hell. He told me: "don't worry, that god they are telling you about doesn't exist". It was the biggest relief in my life. Religion tried to instill fear into me, when I was a little kid and psychologically vulnerable. My father taught me how to be a decent human being, no strings attached. Guess who I still love these days? That's the thing, proponents of tough love don't ever seem to dare to look for falsification. I was just debating this on Quora last week with a guy telling me how his parents punished him and they were the greatest parents, but then said he had committed 50 felonies including armed robbery by the time he was 17. Uhh, ok. Stockholm syndrome much? Craig That's one of the ten commandments. And if people feared God more, incidents like the mass murders in CT would be much fewer. God should be returned to the classroom. It doesn't have to be the Christian God. Let's not even discuss the mountain of atrocities that were committed in God's name. A recent one: 9/11. The USA (a country I greatly admire for its many achievements, including its constitution) is currently the least secular country in the western world. Yet it's the only place where this stuff is happening. How come? Here in godless Europe we have the lowest levels of church attendance ever, legalised prostitution, gay marriage, decriminalised drugs and it's ok to show female breasts on TV. Yet none of that stuff is happening here. The only similar event we had was perpetrated by a god fearing hard-core conservative. The Women's Movement has unfortunately killed the father in their understable desire for wage equality etc. I had a great father. Many of my childhood friends did too, and then became fathers themselves, and they seem to be doing well. What do you mean exactly? I challenge you to find one ad on TV or radio that does not feature a man as other than a fool. And the death of the father has turned progressives into anarchists. The death of the father is the deathy of morality. It's the main problem with society today. By objective metrics measuring violence, society nowadays is the best it ever was. The likelihood of you being the victim of a violent crime is the lowest ever. Mainstream media blows things out of proportion, that's all. Best, Telmo. [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinber
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Hi Craig Weinberg Actually the fourth commandment is to HONOR your parents. You don't have to love them, just respect them for what they've given you. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-17, 09:23:15 Subject: Re: Men don't get no respect these days On Monday, December 17, 2012 9:12:39 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: Hi Roger, Lakoff is correct about conservatism and the father. It is not a pathology, however, to respect your parents, Agreed. and respect is a mixture of love and fear. For me respect is a mixture of love and admiration, which are things that have to be earned. I loved and admired my father. I never feared him. To fear him I would have to believe that he was willing to harm me, and that would probably interfere with the love/admiration part. Yes. Fear within the family is unquestionably pathological. People who have lived with fear I think are compelled to rationalize it by equating it with Fright - which is a natural state of exhilaration and vigilance in the presence of a potential sudden threat. Fear serves nothing but tyranny, vanity, and perversion. Stamping out fear of every kind in the world is a worthy cause. Admiration is the healthy basis for a natural family hierarchy. Unconditional love means that you know that your parents and you are nearly the same people and that it will always be their good pleasure to support you in anything that you truly want to be or do. My mother is a catholic and my father was agnostic. He agreed to put me through religious school and remain neutral on the entire thing. Up to one day when I was a little kid and couldn't sleep because I was afraid of going to hell. He told me: "don't worry, that god they are telling you about doesn't exist". It was the biggest relief in my life. Religion tried to instill fear into me, when I was a little kid and psychologically vulnerable. My father taught me how to be a decent human being, no strings attached. Guess who I still love these days? That's the thing, proponents of tough love don't ever seem to dare to look for falsification. I was just debating this on Quora last week with a guy telling me how his parents punished him and they were the greatest parents, but then said he had committed 50 felonies including armed robbery by the time he was 17. Uhh, ok. Stockholm syndrome much? Craig That's one of the ten commandments. And if people feared God more, incidents like the mass murders in CT would be much fewer. God should be returned to the classroom. It doesn't have to be the Christian God. Let's not even discuss the mountain of atrocities that were committed in God's name. A recent one: 9/11. The USA (a country I greatly admire for its many achievements, including its constitution) is currently the least secular country in the western world. Yet it's the only place where this stuff is happening. How come? Here in godless Europe we have the lowest levels of church attendance ever, legalised prostitution, gay marriage, decriminalised drugs and it's ok to show female breasts on TV. Yet none of that stuff is happening here. The only similar event we had was perpetrated by a god fearing hard-core conservative. The Women's Movement has unfortunately killed the father in their understable desire for wage equality etc. I had a great father. Many of my childhood friends did too, and then became fathers themselves, and they seem to be doing well. What do you mean exactly? I challenge you to find one ad on TV or radio that does not feature a man as other than a fool. And the death of the father has turned progressives into anarchists. The death of the father is the deathy of morality. It's the main problem with society today. By objective metrics measuring violence, society nowadays is the best it ever was. The likelihood of you being the victim of a violent crime is the lowest ever. Mainstream media blows things out of proportion, that's all. Best, Telmo. [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-16, 01:02:40 Subject: Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge On Sunday, December 16, 2012 12:15:28 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Can you answer my question? Because conservatives generally speak from the perspective of the dominant culture. Hi Craig, Are there some other characteristics of conservatives that identifies them? Does the particular nature of the c
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On 12/17/2012 9:23 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Stamping out fear of every kind in the world is a worthy cause. Wrong! Fear of those things that will kill you is healthy. This is why pain exists. -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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On Monday, December 17, 2012 9:12:39 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: > > Hi Roger, > > Lakoff is correct about conservatism and the father. >> It is not a pathology, however, to respect your parents, >> > > Agreed. > > >> and respect is a mixture of love and fear. >> > > For me respect is a mixture of love and admiration, which are things that > have to be earned. I loved and admired my father. I never feared him. To > fear him I would have to believe that he was willing to harm me, and that > would probably interfere with the love/admiration part. > Yes. Fear within the family is unquestionably pathological. People who have lived with fear I think are compelled to rationalize it by equating it with Fright - which is a natural state of exhilaration and vigilance in the presence of a potential sudden threat. Fear serves nothing but tyranny, vanity, and perversion. Stamping out fear of every kind in the world is a worthy cause. Admiration is the healthy basis for a natural family hierarchy. Unconditional love means that you know that your parents and you are nearly the same people and that it will always be their good pleasure to support you in anything that you truly want to be or do. > My mother is a catholic and my father was agnostic. He agreed to put me > through religious school and remain neutral on the entire thing. Up to one > day when I was a little kid and couldn't sleep because I was afraid of > going to hell. He told me: "don't worry, that god they are telling you > about doesn't exist". It was the biggest relief in my life. > > Religion tried to instill fear into me, when I was a little kid and > psychologically vulnerable. My father taught me how to be a decent human > being, no strings attached. Guess who I still love these days? > That's the thing, proponents of tough love don't ever seem to dare to look for falsification. I was just debating this on Quora last week with a guy telling me how his parents punished him and they were the greatest parents, but then said he had committed 50 felonies including armed robbery by the time he was 17. Uhh, ok. Stockholm syndrome much? Craig > > >> That's one of the ten commandments. >> >> And if people feared God more, incidents like the >> mass murders in CT would be much fewer. God >> should be returned to the classroom. It doesn't have to be >> the Christian God. >> > > Let's not even discuss the mountain of atrocities that were committed in > God's name. A recent one: 9/11. > > The USA (a country I greatly admire for its many achievements, including > its constitution) is currently the least secular country in the western > world. Yet it's the only place where this stuff is happening. How come? > > Here in godless Europe we have the lowest levels of church attendance > ever, legalised prostitution, gay marriage, decriminalised drugs and it's > ok to show female breasts on TV. Yet none of that stuff is happening here. > The only similar event we had was perpetrated by a god fearing hard-core > conservative. > > >> >> The Women's Movement has unfortunately killed >> the father in their understable desire for wage equality etc. >> > > I had a great father. Many of my childhood friends did too, and then > became fathers themselves, and they seem to be doing well. What do you mean > exactly? > > >> I challenge you to find one ad on TV or radio that >> does not feature a man as other than a fool. >> > > >> >> And the death of the father has turned progressives into >> anarchists. The death of the father is the deathy of morality. >> It's the main problem with society today. >> > > By objective metrics measuring violence, society nowadays is the best it > ever was. The likelihood of you being the victim of a violent crime is the > lowest ever. Mainstream media blows things out of proportion, that's all. > > Best, > Telmo. > > >> >> >> [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net] >> 12/17/2012 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >> >> >> - Receiving the following content - >> *From:* Craig Weinberg >> *Receiver:* everything-list >> *Time:* 2012-12-16, 01:02:40 >> *Subject:* Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 16, 2012 12:15:28 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: >>> >>> On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>> >>> Can you answer my question? >>> >>> Because conservatives generally speak from the perspective of the >>> dominant culture. >>> >>> >>> Hi Craig, >>> >>> Are there some other characteristics of conservatives that >>> identifies them? Does the particular nature of the culture matter for you? >>> >> >> Lakoff seems to be on to something when he says that conservatives >> represent the view of the strict father oriented family. Which gibes with >> the whole 'pathology rooted in fear and aggression' diagnosis in that study >> I quoted. >> >>> >>> The perspective is always - 'people who aren
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Hi Roger, Lakoff is correct about conservatism and the father. > It is not a pathology, however, to respect your parents, > Agreed. > and respect is a mixture of love and fear. > For me respect is a mixture of love and admiration, which are things that have to be earned. I loved and admired my father. I never feared him. To fear him I would have to believe that he was willing to harm me, and that would probably interfere with the love/admiration part. My mother is a catholic and my father was agnostic. He agreed to put me through religious school and remain neutral on the entire thing. Up to one day when I was a little kid and couldn't sleep because I was afraid of going to hell. He told me: "don't worry, that god they are telling you about doesn't exist". It was the biggest relief in my life. Religion tried to instill fear into me, when I was a little kid and psychologically vulnerable. My father taught me how to be a decent human being, no strings attached. Guess who I still love these days? > That's one of the ten commandments. > > And if people feared God more, incidents like the > mass murders in CT would be much fewer. God > should be returned to the classroom. It doesn't have to be > the Christian God. > Let's not even discuss the mountain of atrocities that were committed in God's name. A recent one: 9/11. The USA (a country I greatly admire for its many achievements, including its constitution) is currently the least secular country in the western world. Yet it's the only place where this stuff is happening. How come? Here in godless Europe we have the lowest levels of church attendance ever, legalised prostitution, gay marriage, decriminalised drugs and it's ok to show female breasts on TV. Yet none of that stuff is happening here. The only similar event we had was perpetrated by a god fearing hard-core conservative. > > The Women's Movement has unfortunately killed > the father in their understable desire for wage equality etc. > I had a great father. Many of my childhood friends did too, and then became fathers themselves, and they seem to be doing well. What do you mean exactly? > I challenge you to find one ad on TV or radio that > does not feature a man as other than a fool. > > > And the death of the father has turned progressives into > anarchists. The death of the father is the deathy of morality. > It's the main problem with society today. > By objective metrics measuring violence, society nowadays is the best it ever was. The likelihood of you being the victim of a violent crime is the lowest ever. Mainstream media blows things out of proportion, that's all. Best, Telmo. > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 12/17/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > - Receiving the following content - > *From:* Craig Weinberg > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2012-12-16, 01:02:40 > *Subject:* Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge > > > > On Sunday, December 16, 2012 12:15:28 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: >> >> On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> Can you answer my question? >>> >> >> Because conservatives generally speak from the perspective of the >> dominant culture. >> >> >> Hi Craig, >> >> Are there some other characteristics of conservatives that identifies >> them? Does the particular nature of the culture matter for you? >> > > Lakoff seems to be on to something when he says that conservatives > represent the view of the strict father oriented family. Which gibes with > the whole 'pathology rooted in fear and aggression' diagnosis in that study > I quoted. > >> >> The perspective is always - 'people who aren't like me have it easy' or >> 'inequality isn't important'. It's never 'yes, of course as a white male in >> the US, I am among the most privileged people who has ever lived, and I >> recognize the problems that might pose to others outside of my group and >> how important it is to address those problems and participate with those >> others as equals to the extent that I can.' >> >> >> >> OK, being born into a class automatically places a burden on one's >> life or otherwise coerces a person to act in a certain way? Really? Is this >> an absolute fact? Care for a minority report on that? >> > > It's not about how a person acts, it's about where the person is allowed > to act. What country clubs they have access to. How long they have to tour > Europe after college before they get come home and apply for six figure > jobs. > > > Craig > > >> >> >> -- >> Onward! >> >> Stephen >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/QYV1w-m-5E8J. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visi
Re: Men don't get no respect these days
Roger, I agree that the father has been removed in many cases from guiding their children in their formative years. But the Woman's movement is not primarily responsible- the death of marriage is responsible. I do not know the statistics but I guess that upwards of half the children in any classroom are being raised by single mothers. In my limited experience these single mothers marginalize the influence of the father often even causing the children to hate the father. I do not think that results from the Woman's movement. Richard On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Craig Weinberg > > Lakoff is correct about conservatism and the father. > It is not a pathology, however, to respect your parents, > and respect is a mixture of love and fear. > That's one of the ten commandments. > > And if people feared God more, incidents like the > mass murders in CT would be much fewer. God > should be returned to the classroom. It doesn't have to be > the Christian God. > > The Women's Movement has unfortunately killed > the father in their understable desire for wage equality etc. > I challenge you to find one ad on TV or radio that > does not feature a man as other than a fool. > > And the death of the father has turned progressives into > anarchists. The death of the father is the deathy of morality. > It's the main problem with society today. > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 12/17/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > - Receiving the following content - > From: Craig Weinberg > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-12-16, 01:02:40 > Subject: Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge > > > > On Sunday, December 16, 2012 12:15:28 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: >> >> On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>> >>> Can you answer my question? >> >> >> Because conservatives generally speak from the perspective of the dominant >> culture. >> >> >> Hi Craig, >> >> Are there some other characteristics of conservatives that identifies >> them? Does the particular nature of the culture matter for you? > > > Lakoff seems to be on to something when he says that conservatives represent > the view of the strict father oriented family. Which gibes with the whole > 'pathology rooted in fear and aggression' diagnosis in that study I quoted. >> >> >> The perspective is always - 'people who aren't like me have it easy' or >> 'inequality isn't important'. It's never 'yes, of course as a white male in >> the US, I am among the most privileged people who has ever lived, and I >> recognize the problems that might pose to others outside of my group and how >> important it is to address those problems and participate with those others >> as equals to the extent that I can.' >> >> >> >> OK, being born into a class automatically places a burden on one's >> life or otherwise coerces a person to act in a certain way? Really? Is this >> an absolute fact? Care for a minority report on that? > > > It's not about how a person acts, it's about where the person is allowed to > act. What country clubs they have access to. How long they have to tour > Europe after college before they get come home and apply for six figure > jobs. > > > Craig > >> >> >> >> -- >> Onward! >> >> Stephen > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/QYV1w-m-5E8J. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Men don't get no respect these days
Hi Craig Weinberg Lakoff is correct about conservatism and the father. It is not a pathology, however, to respect your parents, and respect is a mixture of love and fear. That's one of the ten commandments. And if people feared God more, incidents like the mass murders in CT would be much fewer. God should be returned to the classroom. It doesn't have to be the Christian God. The Women's Movement has unfortunately killed the father in their understable desire for wage equality etc. I challenge you to find one ad on TV or radio that does not feature a man as other than a fool. And the death of the father has turned progressives into anarchists. The death of the father is the deathy of morality. It's the main problem with society today. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-16, 01:02:40 Subject: Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge On Sunday, December 16, 2012 12:15:28 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Can you answer my question? Because conservatives generally speak from the perspective of the dominant culture. Hi Craig, Are there some other characteristics of conservatives that identifies them? Does the particular nature of the culture matter for you? Lakoff seems to be on to something when he says that conservatives represent the view of the strict father oriented family. Which gibes with the whole 'pathology rooted in fear and aggression' diagnosis in that study I quoted. The perspective is always - 'people who aren't like me have it easy' or 'inequality isn't important'. It's never 'yes, of course as a white male in the US, I am among the most privileged people who has ever lived, and I recognize the problems that might pose to others outside of my group and how important it is to address those problems and participate with those others as equals to the extent that I can.' OK, being born into a class automatically places a burden on one's life or otherwise coerces a person to act in a certain way? Really? Is this an absolute fact? Care for a minority report on that? It's not about how a person acts, it's about where the person is allowed to act. What country clubs they have access to. How long they have to tour Europe after college before they get come home and apply for six figure jobs. Craig -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/QYV1w-m-5E8J. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
