This is an effort to clarify what I have said in earlier posts. I
think it strengths the idea that we have a very substantial problem on
our hands.
[Terms not defined herein have the usual “Laws of Physics” definition]
1) Definition {1}: Energy (E) is the ability to subject a mass to a
force.
I have tried to post this several times. It appears I am again having
issues with my email software. I am sorry if it eventually posts multiple
times.
Hi John and Russell:
As far as I know all the "Laws of Physics" are based on observation and are
absent closed form proof.
Given the data I
I have tried to post this several times. It appears I am again having
issues with my email software. I am sorry if it eventually posts
multiple times.
Hi John and Russell:
As far as I know all the “Laws of Physics” are based on observation
and are absent closed form proof.
Given the data I h
Hi John,
I am quite aware of your views, which you descibe below, but I fail to
see how it applies to the conversation Hal & I were having on the
impacts of continuous growth in a bounded world.
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:00:42PM -0500, John Mikes wrote:
> Hal and Russell:
>
> my agnostic think
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 03:55:04PM -0500, Hal Ruhl wrote:
>
> Iiia) Current Economic Conditions: The news in this area has been rather
> bad for some time. The most frequently offered solution has been that
> national economies and thus the world economy must grow real GDP. In fact
> grow it e
Hi Everyone:
At this time I would like to go a bit further re item iii:
iii) Species survival: Life on this planet is in the midst of an extinction
event [not a new idea] that can't be stopped because pAP1 would be the only
priority for life. We may not be extinguished as a species but we can
Hi Stepen:
Interesting post.
I indicated in the initiating posts that life should rapidly appear where
the conditions supporting it are found.
I suspect that in most cases the sphere of influence for a particular
instance of a biosphere is small when compared to the size of the universe.
Therefo
tent -
From: Hal Ruhl
Receiver: everything-list
Time: 2012-11-08, 12:13:48
Subject: RE: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
Hi Roger:
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Sent: Thursday,
ly near the end." -Woody Allen
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From: Hal Ruhl
Receiver: everything-list
Time: 2012-11-09, 10:43:51
Subject: RE: RE: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
Hi Roger:
Roger: "Talk to Dawkins. The purpose of the gene is to create more
Hi Roger:
Roger: "Talk to Dawkins. The purpose of the gene is to create more genes. So
the purpose of life (at a minimum) is to create more life."
Response from Hal: No. Life creates more life in compliance with pAP1.
A reasonable result is one heck of a mass extinction. Repeat until there
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Time: 2012-11-08, 12:13:48
Subject: RE: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
Hi Roger:
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11/9/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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From: Hal Ruhl
Receiver: everything-list
Time: 2012-11-08, 12:02:17
Subject: RE: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
Hi Stephen:
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, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 11/7/2012 11:40 AM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Hi Stephen:
pAP1 is #8 of the discussion initiating posts
8) Conclusion (2): Once life is present it will immediately punch as
many holes in as many Energy Hang-up Barriers as the details of the
particular life entity involved
Hi Roger:
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Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:09 AM
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Subject: Re: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
Hi Hal,
Just look at the
Hi Stephen:
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Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 6:56 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 11/7
Stephen P. King
Receiver: everything-list
Time: 2012-11-07, 18:56:00
Subject: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 11/7/2012 11:40 AM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
> Hi Stephen:
>
> pAP1 is #8 of the discussion initiating posts
>
> 8) Conclusion (2): Once life is present it
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Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:07 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 11/7/2012 9:38 AM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Hi Everyone:
This may
vember 07, 2012 11:07 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 11/7/2012 9:38 AM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
> Hi Everyone:
>
> This may show up more than once as a few others did. In recent days I
> have had issues with my internet
On 11/7/2012 9:38 AM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Hi Everyone:
This may show up more than once as a few others did. In recent days I have
had issues with my internet connection. It has been 16 hours since I sent
this the second time. This time I tried sending it again and then again as
plain text. Very
Hi Everyone:
This may show up more than once as a few others did. In recent days I have
had issues with my internet connection. It has been 16 hours since I sent
this the second time. This time I tried sending it again and then again as
plain text. Very sorry if my troubles cause some clutter.
Hi Everyone:
Here are some expansions on my prior post regarding the following three
topics:
i) Consciousness: Define it for now as the detection by a life entity of the
current system energy configuration both internal and external to the life
entity sufficient to ensure its adherence to its
dear Hal and Stephen,
I wanted to complete my response to both of you when at the point below a
blip in the juice blanked out my internet-connection and kidnapped the text
I had to that point.
I don't complete it right away, read first whatever comes in - to
facilitate a more comprehensive post.
ist
Time: 2012-11-04, 15:39:44
Subject: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
Hi Everyone:
I would now like to expand the discussion re the two current conclusions in
the slightly edited version of the first post [below] as follows:
i) Consciousness: The origin and purpose of
Hi Everyone:
I would now like to expand the discussion re the two current conclusions in
the slightly edited version of the first post [below] as follows:
i) Consciousness: The origin and purpose of life herein leads me to believe
that consciousness is distributed across life entities in accorda
Hi Everyone:
I would now like to expand the discussion re the two current conclusions in
the slightly edited version of the first post [below] as follows:
i) Consciousness: The origin and purpose of life herein leads me to believe
that consciousness is distributed across life entities in accorda
04, 2012 12:09 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 11/4/2012 12:09 AM, John Mikes wrote:
> snip
> ## to 9 I have objections. I cannot imagine (maybe my mistake)
> evolution without a goal, a final aim which would require an
> i
On 11/4/2012 12:09 AM, John Mikes wrote:
snip
## to 9 I have objections. I cannot imagine (maybe my mistake)
evolution without a goal, a final aim which would require an
intelligent design to approach it. (I may have one: the
re-distribution into the Plenitude). My way (as of yesterday) is
Hi, Hal,
and thanks for your reply. I don't feel up to discuss YOUR ideas: as I
touched I WAS a polymer(chem) scientist as long as I lost my faith in the
conventional views (giving place to agnosticism upon the infinite
complexity I call "everything". So consider my responses 'second rate' -
ideas
Hi John:
My responses are below within an edited original post. Thanks for your
comments.
1) Definition (1): Energy (E) is the ability to subject a mass to a force.
*
Re the use of "ability" here: What I am t
On 11/3/2012 12:10 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Hi Stephen:
-Original Message-
Hi Hal,
Could it be that information is being created and "forcing" the
physical universe to make room for its instantiation? After all, space
is not a conserved quantity!
[HH] I think that what you mention
Hi Stephen:
-Original Message-
> Hi Hal,
>
> Could it be that information is being created and "forcing" the
> physical universe to make room for its instantiation? After all, space
> is not a conserved quantity!
>
> [HH] I think that what you mention is at least part of the sourc
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Subject: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 11/2/2012 4:27 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
> Let me refer you to a very old paper of mine:
> http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/life.html
>
> I took a quick look. I may need some help understanding it fully. I
&g
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Subject: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 11/2/2012 4:27 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Let me refer you to a very old paper of mine:
http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/life.html
I took a quick look. I may need some help understanding it fully. I
occasionally
, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 11/2/2012 4:27 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
> Let me refer you to a very old paper of mine:
> http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/life.html
>
> I took a quick look. I may need some help understanding it fully. I
> occasionally play with the
Hi Stephen:
-Original Message-
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen P. King
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 6:37 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 11/2/2012 4
On 11/2/2012 4:27 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
[SPK] Do you see mutation as a one-to-many map and selection as a many
-to-one map?
Well the DNA strings we know of are finite [n characters] so a particular
example is a "one" in some sense and this string's finite number of
mutations 4 ^ n+ is a "many"
On 11/2/2012 4:27 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Let me refer you to a very old paper of mine:
http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/life.html
I took a quick look. I may need some help understanding it fully. I
occasionally play with the idea that Dark Energy is a spatially uniform leak
of infor
Dear Hal,
nice to read you again after all those years.
Life is a topic I brought up many times (as a question of course) and have
only a vague idea - opposing the conventional scientific stance based on
the carbon-etc. foundational "bio"/"physiological restrictions.
In my *speculations* 'life' is
Hi Stephen:
-Original Message-
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen P. King
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:50 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 10/31
On 10/31/2012 9:48 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Hi Everyone:
I would like to restart my participation on the list by having a discussion
regarding the aspects of what we call “life” in our universe starting in a
simple manner as follows: [terms not defined herein have the usual “Laws of
Physics” defin
Hi Everyone:
I would like to restart my participation on the list by having a discussion
regarding the aspects of what we call “life” in our universe starting in a
simple manner as follows: [terms not defined herein have the usual “Laws of
Physics” definition]
1) Definition (1): Energy (E) i
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