[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A: No, thats not quite the angle that struck me as so funny. The deliciousness of the phrase is more a mu experience, a la whats wrong with this picture. J: What's wrong with the picture of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Packed crowd hears David Lynch Filmmaker shares zeal for transcendental medi

2005-09-28 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But they have to get 'scholarships' in order for the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20-30 years and then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light, is funny, in a

[FairfieldLife] Thongs and strings?

2005-09-28 Thread cardemaister
Many of us know that the primary, concrete(?) meaning of the word 'guNa' is 'string'. I wonder if that has any connection with the string theories of modern physics. I mean, sattva aka sato-guNa could have a connection with energy field strings, rajo-guNa with gauge boson strings(??), and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha: Does it strike anyone else as funny, even absurd, that the whole paradigm about enlightenment on this list is dichotomous, digital, either on or off? Unc: YES! That's exactly the issue. I realized

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was A scolding - Now Succession

2005-09-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] yagya: Vijaya Dashami - Victory Day - October 12, 2005

2005-09-28 Thread George DeForest
Title: Vijaya Dashami: Victory Day, 12th October 2005

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha: Does it strike anyone else as funny, even absurd, that the whole paradigm about enlightenment on this list is dichotomous, digital, either on or off? Unc: YES! That's exactly the issue. I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha: Does it strike anyone else as funny, even absurd, that the whole paradigm about enlightenment on this list is dichotomous,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha: Does it strike anyone else as funny, even absurd, that the whole paradigm about enlightenment on this list is dichotomous,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha: Does it strike anyone else as funny, even absurd, that

[FairfieldLife] yagya: Vijaya Dashami - Victory Day - October 12, 2005

2005-09-28 Thread George DeForest
Title: Vijaya Dashami: Victory Day, 12th October 2005

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread Peter
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I ask because I've said in a number of posts that the longer I meditate, the less overshadowed I am. And certainly MMY teaches that it's a gradual process, so I'm not sure why any TMer would hold that belief. MMY teaches that it is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread Vaj
On 9/27/05 6:52 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, when neo-advaitists sell a dichotomous view of enlightenment, and on top of that proclaim You just need to BELIEVE Peter, and you CAN fly (as in Peter Pan), Just BELIEVE it and you ARE enlightened -- and the light

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread Vaj
On 9/27/05 7:13 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20-30 years and then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light, is funny, in a charming

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I ask because I've said in a number of posts that the longer I meditate, the less overshadowed I am. And certainly MMY teaches that it's a gradual process,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread Vaj
On 9/28/05 4:20 AM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have long suggested that we run some tests on the self-proclaimed Es. Push'em off a cliff. And if they don't come back, we will celebrate their saintliness. MMY once commented, or so I am told, that the sidhis would be an eye-

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20-30 years and then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light, is funny, in a charming way. So to the extent people keep insisting IT is already there, they are correct -- to a degree.

[FairfieldLife] Tulsa newpaper- 3 part series

2005-09-28 Thread Ron F
Camelot Owner Hopes for ‘Peace Palace’ Third in a Multi-Part Series By NANCY K. OWENS Associate Editor PITIFUL UPKEEP: What was the Camelot Hotel continues to rot at I-44 and Peroria Avenue in Tulsa. Editor’s Note: This is the third of a multi-part series investigating the demise and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Akasha 108 writes:snipped from long interchange with Unc That's the one point on all of this where I think we differ. First, I see no value in labels such as enlightenment. It can create distinctions, it can creates longing for titles, it can create false egos, it can creates scams, etc. And the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really have a problem with that E word for two reasons. One it carries such tremendous baggage that it does all of what Akasha has said above without anyone knowing it does. I completely

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll order some pizza from cave service and think about it over lunch. :-) Dude, if you are living in Paris and you order up take-out pizza -- you are not only way UnAwake, you are a gastronomic baffoon. :)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS

2005-09-28 Thread feste37
Turquoise, thanks for your comments. I agree about Highway 61 Revisited, although I can't remember all that was on it. Those songs were life-changers. Nothing much else got through to me in those long-gone days. Part 2 of the documentary is just as good as the first part, so get the DVD as soon

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I ask because I've said in a number of posts that the longer I meditate, the less overshadowed I am. And certainly MMY teaches that it's a gradual process, so I'm not sure why any TMer would hold that belief.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/27/05 7:13 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20-30 years and then one day,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??

2005-09-28 Thread Vaj
On 9/28/05 4:05 AM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hari Om, I heard that, in an

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The map is not the territory. I think what's going on here is that Judy is more attached to being able to say, Ah...finally...I have the map, than in actually getting to the place it points to. And the last

[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars

2005-09-28 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: How do you know this is impossible, Judy, if you haven't tried it? Judy: Oh, for heaven's sake, of course I've tried

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread Vaj
On 9/28/05 9:50 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I believe I said. Above, I was describing my own experience. You snipped the part (without noting it) that made this clear, apparently to make it appear I was making a general statement that you could correct. Yes it was a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip For me the word Awake is pretty simple and conveys my understanding that PC is in the foreground all the time

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The only reason it is said in advaitist circles that we are already enlightened is that from the perspective of the experience of the non-dual state it is recognized it was always like this, this is an unborn state, it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I ask because I've said in a number of posts that the longer I meditate, the less overshadowed I am. And certainly MMY teaches that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And for the record: I would say that experience was far more real than understanding. The more experiences I have of higher states of attention, the less I understand. And the happier I am. Go figure. This is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And for the record: I would say that experience was far more real than understanding. The more experiences I have of higher states of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But when the performance was over, the Gift departed and would not translate itself into any other form. So Dylan was left inarticulate, ordinary, not interesting at all. His recent autobiography, however, has

[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars

2005-09-28 Thread TurquoiseB
Judy: I plan to let it happen whenever it's ready to happen. Rory: How will you know when it is ready to happen? I won't know until it happens. How are you going to let it happen if you won't know until it happens? Who do you think is going to do this for you?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Judy: And what on earth leads you to think that it's something you *make*? Rory: If not you, then who? Emphasis

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/28/05 9:50 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I believe I said. Above, I was describing my own experience. You snipped the part (without noting it) that made this clear, apparently to make it appear I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars

2005-09-28 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Judy: And what on earth leads you to think that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And for the record: I would say that experience was far more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS

2005-09-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But when the performance was over, the Gift departed and would not translate itself into any other form. So Dylan was left inarticulate,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread akasha_108
Akasha: Pure consciousness begins from the first mediation. If not before. Uuc: Before. There has never been a moment in my life when I was not enlightened. A: That's the one point on all of this where I think we differ. Again, I see no value in labels such as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread akasha_108
Akasha: yes. Reminds me of EST. Judy: Even est had a method to sort of shock people into it. The whole training was one big koan, it seems to me: the first weekend, they convinced you that you had total control over everything; the second weekend, they convinced you that you had no

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I also find that the more often/longer Awareness is present, the more of a pain it is when it goes away. Still laughing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Thus I favor just saying what is, instead of relying on unreliable intermediary symbols. For example, constant foreground PC expresses a specific state, is relatively concise (could be shortened to CFPC), and is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll order some pizza from cave service and think about it over lunch.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Request for Christian or other clergy who have a good...

2005-09-28 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 9/26/05 5:13:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A friend is working on a TM project and is looking for clergy who ideally practice TM and have something nice to say about it. Let me know if you know anyone along these lines. RonJesus H.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS

2005-09-28 Thread feste37
Yes, that's right. Some of the questions were extremely stupid and deserved the response they got, but others were more thoughtful and valid. In a sense, like many great artists, Dylan did not really know what he was doing; he just did it. Others, like Ginsberg, for example, could be much more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha: yes. Reminds me of EST. Judy: Even est had a method to sort of shock people into it. The whole training was one big koan, it seems to me: the first weekend, they convinced you that you had total

[FairfieldLife] Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side'

2005-09-28 Thread Rick Archer
The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1798944,00.html Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes

2005-09-28 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 9/26/05 6:00:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Er,hadn't the treaty already been signed? I don't think so, at least the senate had overwhelmingly refused to ratify it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha: Pure consciousness begins from the first mediation. If not before. Uuc: Before. There has never been a moment in my life when I was not enlightened. A: That's the one point on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Thus I favor just saying what is, instead of relying on unreliable intermediary symbols. For example, constant foreground PC expresses a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Request for Christian or other clergy who have a good...

2005-09-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/26/05 5:13:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus H. Christ. Always wondered what the H stands for. Hirschell, Herman, Harry? The definitive answer is to be found in Christopher

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS

2005-09-28 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But when the performance was over, the Gift departed and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria for CC? That's how MMY defines it (if it's permanent); witnessing can apply to temporary experiences (CC being 24-hour permanent witnessing). It's a symbol, but for a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS

2005-09-28 Thread Sal Sunshine
I think all of this speculating on why he wasn't more articulate during interviews really misses the point. He hated them, pure and simple. He, like many great artists as well as most others, was much more comfortable in small groups. He kept saying over and over, in his music as well as when

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS

2005-09-28 Thread Sal Sunshine
Ginsburg was quite a bit oder when those interviews took place, and more confident as a result. He also never got anywhere near the kind of attention Dylan did. Sal On Sep 28, 2005, at 9:55 AM, feste37 wrote: Others, like Ginsberg, for example, could be much more articulate about their own

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I also find that the more often/longer Awareness is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ginsburg was quite a bit oder when those interviews took place, and more confident as a result. He also never got anywhere near the kind of attention Dylan did. On the other hand, the actor Sir Laurence Olivier was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria for CC? That's how MMY defines it (if it's permanent); witnessing can apply to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread akasha_108
Akasha: Terming that as E, to me, goes beyond reporting. its labeling. And since it differs from what many understand that term to be, it simply promotes miscommunication. Unc: Fine. I've already told you that the only reason I was using the E word was because it was already in play

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A: Ah, then we seem to be talking the same thing. Its odd though, I keep saying no labels, enjoy the (non)-trip and you keep saying if you drop the labels, then you can enjoy the continuum. Sounds the same to me.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread akasha_108
Judy: To expand a bit: You said in another post that it feels false to you to want a higher state of attention. Unc: Not so much false as completely unproductive. To do so takes one out of Now Akahsa: Then perhaps the attention that can maintain PC in foreground is not so strong and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread Peter
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip For example, is the experience of no I both a necessary and sufficent criteria. Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria for CC? Is absence of anger (per many scriptural references) a necessary criteria? Of course I am from the no I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread akasha_108
A: I think clear terms can facilitate discussion. U: But what does the discussion facilitate? A: Well, it happens. its value -- maybe none. But you suggested you have gained great value from recent discussions here. So you tell me. U: Something someone said triggered a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not then just drop all discussions and concepts of E. NOW you're talking! :-) Have you ever had the experience (assuming that you've had long, stable periods of 24/7 witnessing, absolutely clear experiences of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread akasha_108
Akasha: Why not then just drop all discussions and concepts of E. Unc: NOW you're talking! :-) A: Yes. I have been suggeting such for some time. But I appear to violate the rule at times because its interesting to me to understand what people mean when they introduce and use the E term,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS

2005-09-28 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ginsburg was quite a bit oder when those interviews took place, and more confident as a result. He also never got anywhere near the kind

[FairfieldLife] The Economics of Equality

2005-09-28 Thread Jason Spock
Ask Aristotle Find an MP By postcode or place: By surname:Or browse the map How to use Aristotle Archive search Advanced search In this sectionBritain launches push for trade reform after last-minute deal on debt relief Why equality was the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria for CC?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread Vaj
On 9/28/05 12:49 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course I am from the no I school (now if that isn't a paradoxical statement). Any trace of I would indicate an observing ego and be indicative of avidya, not realization. Realization is not an experience. It is not within the domain

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tulsa newpaper- 3 part series

2005-09-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A section of this series documents the TMO's history of purchasing properties with some grand golden expressed purpose (meditation centers, ayurvedic health spas, etc.), but then in every case not taking any steps

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll order some pizza from cave service and think about it over lunch.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I ask because I've said in a number of posts that the longer I meditate, the less overshadowed I am. And certainly MMY teaches that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??

2005-09-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/28/05 4:05 AM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??

2005-09-28 Thread Vaj
On 9/28/05 2:51 PM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/28/05 4:05 AM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria for CC? That's how MMY defines it (if it's permanent); witnessing can apply to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha: But what is your definition of CC? (but define it in a non- seeking way :) ) Judy: In my understanding of how MMY uses

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread Vaj
On 9/28/05 3:00 PM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria for CC? That's how MMY defines

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??

2005-09-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/28/05 2:51 PM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/28/05 4:05 AM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars

2005-09-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Judy: And what on earth leads you to think that

[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes

2005-09-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/26/05 6:00:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Er,hadn't the treaty already been signed? I don't think so, at least the senate had overwhelmingly refused to ratify it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Attributes of E

2005-09-28 Thread Jason Spock
Hari Om, A person reaches a stage where he knows everything that is needed to be known Intellectually, but had not yet reached Enlightenment. Perhaps such a stage can be called inlightened. Is it possible that TMO itself is run by inlightened individuals rather than Enlightened

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I ask because I've said in a number of posts that the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria for CC?

[FairfieldLife] M's Criteria

2005-09-28 Thread akasha_108
Using Uncs term, or what I can remember of it, uncletenspaltz, or whatever, as I have come to understand, it includes all who are progressing spiritually, from the humblest initiate to a full Buddha who has achieved the Rainbow body. A nice group. Everyone is uncletenspaltzen. M's criteria for

[FairfieldLife] Renunciation, 4th century-style

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
New York Times September 28, 2005 Ever Since A.D. 270, the Need to Get Away From It All By MICHAEL SLACKMAN ZAFARANA, Egypt - Men have retreated to the desert for centuries in search of God, drawn by the quiet and the isolation, by a feeling of divine presence in the barren landscape. The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??

2005-09-28 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/28/05 2:51 PM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/28/05 4:05 AM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??

2005-09-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/28/05 2:51 PM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/28/05 4:05 AM,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??

2005-09-28 Thread tazarmfune
SNIP Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying was an obstacle of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). Where exactly did it say that? The Yoga Sutras say (somewhere) that powers are an obstacle to Samadhi. I heard that MMY comment that the translation was simply

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??

2005-09-28 Thread Vaj
On 9/28/05 4:40 PM, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The text that you keep referring to from the Shankaracharya tradition says this. Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying was an obstacle of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). Where exactly did it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??

2005-09-28 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying was an obstacle of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). Where exactly did it say that? The Yoga Sutras say (somewhere) that powers

[FairfieldLife] Re: Packed crowd hears David Lynch Filmmaker shares zeal for transcendental medi

2005-09-28 Thread George DeForest
Subject: David Lynch on college tour Award-winning film director David Lynch is currently touring college campuses to discuss Consciousness, Creativity and the Brain. Packed audiences have already enthusiastically welcomed the tour at University of Michigan and American University. For a

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