[FairfieldLife] Re: French are rudest, most boring people on earth: British poll
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > LONDON (AFP) - The French have been voted the world's > most unfriendly nation by a landslide in a new British > poll published. They were also voted the most boring > and most ungenerous. In a followup man-in-the-cafe poll in Paris, the French voted the English more likely to respond to the overwhelming boredom of their lives by conducting a poll in which they could rag on someone non-British than they were to deal with that boredom by going out and getting laid. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bob has a very sharp intellect and an undeveloped heart. In other words, he's a TMer. (Just suggesting that you could shorten your sentence.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 1:53 PM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> Sick people? What course was this? Vedic Science, New Delhi? > > > > The 5000 Vedic Course in New Delhi - where the fifth floor was > > established as an Hospital - and the dogs and cats and what ever was > > walking in the vegetables is the backyard and the big icecubes were > > stored in the toilettes. > > Ingegerd > > I was on that 5th floor for a while. Quite a scene. You could see the > kitchen hygiene by looking out the window. Veggie choppers sitting on the > ground with their dirty feed in the veggies they were chopping. I have some pictures of this. My diet was very simple at the course - Rice and hot milk - and I avoided the 5th floor. Ingegerd > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Scuse me
> > Wheee. Thanks for sharing, blissbunn1. I'm sure that > > people will be standing at the side of > > the road with "Welcome blissbunn1" signs... > > What did I do to deserve that? You were overly receptive to seeing the machinations of the TM movement in a different light. So the folks from the New Inquisition got panicky and had to start posting compulsively here to let you know that you're under scrutiny and how your statements would be viewed by the TM "authorities" and that you should be afraid. At least that's probably what they tell themselves. I think it's *them* who are afraid, but that's just me... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: physics and the transcendent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > wrote: > > > > Some of the early quantum pioneers considered the relationship > > between pure Consciousness and phenomena, concluding that the > > Transcendent in the context of Brahman "points" to analogous concepts > > in physics; but contrary to what MMY would have people believe, there > > is no physics of his "Unified Field". > > There is in Hagelin's original work to make Flipped SU(5) more vedic and in his relatively > more recent work with MMY that examined what Hagelin termed "uncanny" (or similar term) > parallels at ALL levels between the QM description of the world and the vedic. > I think "Rco akSare..." is a good example of that. /Rco/ is sandhi for /RcaH/ which in turn is at least nominative plural of /Rk/ (as in Rg-veda: Rk + veda). I think Maharishi translates /RcaH/ to "impulses of creative intelligence", or something like that. I guess it's pure coincidence, but in Finnish the word "rikki" means 'broken'. "Thus", one might say that /Rk/ refers to the first level(?) of symmetry breaking... :0 The word /akSara/ can be read at least either as a /karma-dhaaraya(?)/-compound (imperishable) or as a /tatpuruSa(?)/-compound (kSara of 'a' [the sound 'ah']) And so on, and so on... ad infinitum... blah blah blah... :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deprogrammer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "blissbunn1" wrote: > > > > Is there a cult deprogrammer there for support? > > Sorry. Cult deprogrammer is the next forum over. This is > TM Argument. But it wasn't before the TM cult zombies got here, not on the personal level it is these days. And they've been particularly embarrassing today. What is it about Sundays and having nothing to do that brings these people out for their favorite therapy of arguing and being superior to others. Is this some kind of official SPORT among TMers, like football is for other Americans when they're bored on a Sunday? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 9:39 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> But there's an > >> explicit doctrine in the TMO that "our role is to teach people to > >> transcend, and that's the highest dharma. It's others' job to feed, > >> cloth, house, them, etc." From that perspective, your money gets > >> the most leverage if is donated to the TMO, and not to charitable > >> organizations. > > > > And if that makes sense to you, then give your money > > and time to the TMO, by all means. > > > > But as I said, nothing is *stopping* the individual > > TMer from working for or donating to a non-TMO > > charity. > > > > What you go on to say is a different issue, or set > > of issues. It doesn't address your initial demand > > that the TMO's charitable works be cited in > > comparison to Amma's, or Shemp's response that the > > two organizations have different goals. > > > > If you want to ask how well Amma's group has fulfilled > > its stated goal versus how well the TMO has fulfilled > > its stated goal, that's a reasonable question. > > > > Demanding that the TMO match Amma's charitable works > > or be considered a failure, in contrast, makes no > > sense at all. > > Points well taken. Perhaps what I'm trying to say is that if Maharishi had > put greater emphasis on compassion and caring for people it would have > helped the evolution of the individuals in the movement, as well as helping > the whole organization fulfill its goals. As it is, the movement is now > perceived by many as being all about money. > While people who put out press releases about how much they have given don't? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "blissbunn1" > wrote: > > > > > > To my knowledge he assaulted Jane Doe at gunpoint as MIU President. > > > > > > > When was Domash President of MIU? > > > > > 1978+ > 1980 is when Bevan arrived at MIU, so it's 1978-1980... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 7:09 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Perhaps its because MMY's tradition apparently doesn't hold with doing > > charitable works > > the way Christianity does, so anyone trying to emulate MMY's behavior in this > > regard > > rather than following his advice of practicing their own religion, would be > > "off the > > program." > > Not true. Many past and contemporary Hindu gurus emphasize selfless service > to the less fortunate as a technique to culture the heart and diminish the > ego. But NOT MMY's particular tradition, apparently, or at least not as MMY pratices it. Anyone trying to emulate MMY's neglect of relative charities would obviously be non-Christian, IMHO. > > > >, but > > you can > > ignore that 1500+ years of history if you wish and portray the Roman and other > > organzied > > Christian churches as 100% good guys in the "good works" category while > > portraying the > > TMO as being bad. > > One could, but I wasn't doing anything of the sort. It seemed lik eyou were touting the Roman Church as a paragon of good works... > > > > BTW, until the schizm concerning the name of Anklesaria's organization (which > > apparently > > is 100% due to his OWN hostility since he could easily find a sponsor to pay > > for his > > recertification, and other sponsors to pay the $2500 fee for TM instruction > > for inmates), > > Anklesaria's work with prisons, sanctions directlly (according to him) by MMY > > himself, > > coud qualify as a "good works" kind of thing. > > I don't think you have his story straight. Perhaps not, but I haven't seen anything to contradict my interpretation, and Anklesaria's own words as quoted on this forum seem to imply that he was upset because the TMO was requesting copies of his *research* on meditation in prisons NOT because they were requiring him to be recerted though perhaps I misread. > > > > The stated goal of raising lots of money to purchase land for organic farms to > > provide the > > poor in 3rd World countries with income could also be seen as a "good works" > > project, > > even if it is unrealistic to expect that $10 trillion could be raised to > > provide work for EVERY > > poor person in the world. > > And to assume that there is much fertile land not already being cultivated. > For organic use in 3rd world countries? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > on 5/20/06 7:20 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > That's fuzzy, yah moron, and you are a complete phony in > > addition to > > > > your striking lack of intelligence. You don't have a problem with > > > > labeling people as (to quote your phrase in phrase 98617 which > > you > > > > left out of this post) "bug-eyed cult zombies" who belong to "a > > > > strange, insignificant little cult" (Msg 98557). But when > > somebody > > > > points out the idiotic ideas you embrace, you get all self- > > righteous -- > > > > let me guess, was your psycho dad this way? > > > > > > In case anyone wonders why I don't get upset by posts like this, > > it's > > > because I figure they say a lot more about Bob than they do about > > me. "Give > > > him enough rope and he'll hang himself" is my approach. They also > > say > > > something about TM or the package for spiritual development that > > includes > > > TM. There must be something missing if someone devoted to this > > path for so > > > many decades can still speak like this. > > > > Well said Rick. It's embarassing to see a 30 plus year meditator > > spewing like this. Bobby, talk to us. What gives? > > > > Guffaw. Rick's obsession with MMY's penis and where he stuck it >25-35 years ago isn't embarrassing? > Lawson, That is such a subtle distortion and reduction of the issue ... JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] French are rudest, most boring people on earth: British poll
LONDON (AFP) - The French have been voted the world's most unfriendly nation by a landslide in a new British poll published. They were also voted the most boring and most ungenerous. A decisive 46 percent of the 6,000 people surveyed by travellers' website Where Are You Now (WAYN) said the French were the most unfriendly nation people on the planet, British newspapers reported. The Germans have no to reason to celebrate the damning verdict. They came second on all three counts. WAYN's French founder, Jerome Touze, told the papers he had been stunned by the thumping condemnation of his compatriots and sought to blame it on Gallic love-struck sulking. "I had no idea that the French would emerge as such an unfriendly country," he said. "I think our romantic 'moodiness' is misunderstood and I will be sure to pass on the message to my family and friends back in France to be a bit more cheerful to tourists in the future." Italy was voted the world's most cultured nation with the best cuisine, while the United States was named the most unstylish with the worst food. The British did not feature in the top 10 of any of the categories. "The British fit in nowhere -- good or bad. It appears that we are so completely average that the voters did not include us in any category," the tabloid Daily Express commented. "And to our shame, four percent of respondents -- all British of course -- said they would only talk to other Britons when they are abroad." This unwillingness to talk to the locals appears to go hand in hand with respondents' perceptions of foreigners. While most said Spain was the foreign country where they would most like to live, they said the Spaniards were nearly as unfriendly and ungenerous as the French. To add insult to injury, British newspaper The Daily Telegraph put the boot in on Saturday by saying in an editorial that the French stank. "The French may like to think that Chanel No 5 is their scent but we all know that garlic and stale Gitanes are much more representative." __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "blissbunn1" wrote: > > > > To my knowledge he assaulted Jane Doe at gunpoint as MIU President. > > > > When was Domash President of MIU? > 1978+ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-EX
Yes I can understand that. I felt the same way emotionally, but different in content. But the feeling of moving to your next step of awakening, that I fully feel. Even when so much of my identity was wrapped up in MMY's world, when it was time for me to move on, it was not optional. It was fantastic! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 9:31 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Nice post. I don't want this one to slip away without a high five. > > Nicely stated. I wonder how many times you have articulated this > > extremely personal awakening. I was more interested in flipping the > > movement the bird when I left. But I appreciate how well you have > > integrated all the good the movement experiences were for your life. > > It has taken me a bit longer. I was rejecting a more fundimental world > > view of spirituality when I left. But the human part of this drama is > > what moves me. > > Maharishi used to use the analogy that it's not hard to leave the garden if > you're entering the house, because you're going from one enjoyable thing to > a more enjoyable one (according to this analogy). So it probably helped that > I was starting to see Amma while still in the dome. When I got the boot my > life was already blessed by something new, so there was no sense of lack or > emptiness. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
on 5/21/06 9:39 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> But there's an >> explicit doctrine in the TMO that "our role is to teach people to >> transcend, and that's the highest dharma. It's others' job to feed, >> cloth, house, them, etc." From that perspective, your money gets >> the most leverage if is donated to the TMO, and not to charitable >> organizations. > > And if that makes sense to you, then give your money > and time to the TMO, by all means. > > But as I said, nothing is *stopping* the individual > TMer from working for or donating to a non-TMO > charity. > > What you go on to say is a different issue, or set > of issues. It doesn't address your initial demand > that the TMO's charitable works be cited in > comparison to Amma's, or Shemp's response that the > two organizations have different goals. > > If you want to ask how well Amma's group has fulfilled > its stated goal versus how well the TMO has fulfilled > its stated goal, that's a reasonable question. > > Demanding that the TMO match Amma's charitable works > or be considered a failure, in contrast, makes no > sense at all. Points well taken. Perhaps what I'm trying to say is that if Maharishi had put greater emphasis on compassion and caring for people it would have helped the evolution of the individuals in the movement, as well as helping the whole organization fulfill its goals. As it is, the movement is now perceived by many as being all about money. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Scuse me
Yes. Clearly there are residents with common values regarding the expansion of consciousness, Self knowledge, clean air, water, organic food and disdain for the lies of the TMO. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "blissbunn1" > wrote: > > > > I was making a committment to myself to not get sucked back into > the TMO ether. I recently > > invested a significant part of my life believing that being at > program in the dome or on > > Mother Divine would soothe me, help clear up my samskaras. The last > 24 hours have been > > eye opening. Reading the archives and groking how corrupt the TMO > is blasted the > > remaining veil of rationalizations I was hanging on to into > smithereens. > > But you're still moving to Fairfield?? > > > > > It just seemed an odd thing to say: "I'm officially a TM-exer and > still moving to Fairfield." > > > > > > I was making fun of your need to make an "official" announcement. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-EX
on 5/21/06 9:31 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Nice post. I don't want this one to slip away without a high five. > Nicely stated. I wonder how many times you have articulated this > extremely personal awakening. I was more interested in flipping the > movement the bird when I left. But I appreciate how well you have > integrated all the good the movement experiences were for your life. > It has taken me a bit longer. I was rejecting a more fundimental world > view of spirituality when I left. But the human part of this drama is > what moves me. Maharishi used to use the analogy that it's not hard to leave the garden if you're entering the house, because you're going from one enjoyable thing to a more enjoyable one (according to this analogy). So it probably helped that I was starting to see Amma while still in the dome. When I got the boot my life was already blessed by something new, so there was no sense of lack or emptiness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > > It's all that bubbling bliss Bob feels inside, Lurk. Sometimes it > > gets so overwhelming he just doesn't know how to express it. :) > > > > Sal > > Okay, it's Sunday afternoon. Just did three hours of yard work, my > car battery has gone dead, and I just finished two Mountain Dews. So > before I go out and tackle the battery, I want to offer my theory on > Bob and his venom. I think Bob harbors resentment that he did not > come up with FFL. Instead he is left with his Mumbull, which is kind > of dull. Before I discovered FFL, mumbull was my source of news on > TMO. I don't believe I've ever seen a reference to FFL on mumbull, so > I think Bob gets his news wholesale on FFL and then retails it on > mumbull. Bob's venom just smacks of some kind of resentment. Thus > saith the > > lurk > Bob has a very sharp intellect and an undeveloped heart. Been there, done that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
on 5/21/06 7:33 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Guffaw. Rick's obsession with MMY's penis and where he stuck it 25-35 years > ago isn't > embarrassing? My main interest in that topic is its implications for the correlation between morality and higher states of consciousness, and the criteria of higher states of consciousness. Could a person who behaved that way be in the highest state, or is he a fallen yogi, tripped up by the remnants of subtle ego? Questions like that interest me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
on 5/21/06 7:09 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Perhaps its because MMY's tradition apparently doesn't hold with doing > charitable works > the way Christianity does, so anyone trying to emulate MMY's behavior in this > regard > rather than following his advice of practicing their own religion, would be > "off the > program." Not true. Many past and contemporary Hindu gurus emphasize selfless service to the less fortunate as a technique to culture the heart and diminish the ego. > >, but > you can > ignore that 1500+ years of history if you wish and portray the Roman and other > organzied > Christian churches as 100% good guys in the "good works" category while > portraying the > TMO as being bad. One could, but I wasn't doing anything of the sort. > > BTW, until the schizm concerning the name of Anklesaria's organization (which > apparently > is 100% due to his OWN hostility since he could easily find a sponsor to pay > for his > recertification, and other sponsors to pay the $2500 fee for TM instruction > for inmates), > Anklesaria's work with prisons, sanctions directlly (according to him) by MMY > himself, > coud qualify as a "good works" kind of thing. I don't think you have his story straight. > > The stated goal of raising lots of money to purchase land for organic farms to > provide the > poor in 3rd World countries with income could also be seen as a "good works" > project, > even if it is unrealistic to expect that $10 trillion could be raised to > provide work for EVERY > poor person in the world. And to assume that there is much fertile land not already being cultivated. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Scuse me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "blissbunn1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was making a committment to myself to not get sucked back into the TMO ether. I recently > invested a significant part of my life believing that being at program in the dome or on > Mother Divine would soothe me, help clear up my samskaras. The last 24 hours have been > eye opening. Reading the archives and groking how corrupt the TMO is blasted the > remaining veil of rationalizations I was hanging on to into smithereens. But you're still moving to Fairfield?? > > It just seemed an odd thing to say: "I'm officially a TM-exer and still moving to Fairfield." > > > > I was making fun of your need to make an "official" announcement. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Scuse me
I was making a committment to myself to not get sucked back into the TMO ether. I recently invested a significant part of my life believing that being at program in the dome or on Mother Divine would soothe me, help clear up my samskaras. The last 24 hours have been eye opening. Reading the archives and groking how corrupt the TMO is blasted the remaining veil of rationalizations I was hanging on to into smithereens. > It just seemed an odd thing to say: "I'm officially a TM-exer and still moving to Fairfield." > > I was making fun of your need to make an "official" announcement. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 1:33 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > > Imo, it is inaccurate to see Amma's work and Maharishi's work in > > opposition to one another, as you and Bob are doing. Each performs a > > critical function. Depends on our perspective which one we naturally > > support. No right or wrong. > > You're right. My only beef with the Movement is when it says one thing and > does another. For instance, the TMO brings way more money into India than > Amma does. If it doesn't believe in humanitarian activities, and prefers to > apply resources to enlivening the transcendent, fine. How many are being > taught to meditate who aren't paying their way? How many pundits are there? > I can answer that one. There are fewer than 6,000 and the number is > dwindling as they age. Fewer young ones are joining than older ones leaving. > They're all paid to be there, as that's part of the deal that convinces > their parents to send them. Money is sent home to support the family. But do > these activities and any others anyone would care to itemize account for the > many millions of dollars that have been brought into the country? Show me > the money! > Yes, Maharishi and his TMO can be attacked on almost every level. Might as well find fault with them, and pick them apart if so inclined. Seriously. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 1:04 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> Yes there is. There's a mindset, explicitly cultivated by MMY, > >> that helping people on a relative level is inferior to developing > >> individual and collective consciousness, so as to get to the root > >> of all problems. > > > > That should only stop you from failing to give your own > > development priority. It shouldn't stop you from *also* > > engaging in charitable activities. > > Shouldn't but does. Granted, there have been many projects in 3rd > world countries where large groups have been taught for free. > But there's an > explicit doctrine in the TMO that "our role is to teach people to > transcend, and that's the highest dharma. It's others' job to feed, > cloth, house, them, etc." From that perspective, your money gets > the most leverage if is donated to the TMO, and not to charitable > organizations. And if that makes sense to you, then give your money and time to the TMO, by all means. But as I said, nothing is *stopping* the individual TMer from working for or donating to a non-TMO charity. What you go on to say is a different issue, or set of issues. It doesn't address your initial demand that the TMO's charitable works be cited in comparison to Amma's, or Shemp's response that the two organizations have different goals. If you want to ask how well Amma's group has fulfilled its stated goal versus how well the TMO has fulfilled its stated goal, that's a reasonable question. Demanding that the TMO match Amma's charitable works or be considered a failure, in contrast, makes no sense at all. Now if the TMO were to use > all that money to do what it says it should be doing, there wouldn't be a > problem. But because Maharishi has explicitly encouraged the attitude among > his elite that they are superior, higher ups in the movement become haughty > and egotistical, not more humble as you'll find in some spiritual > organizations. When he sent the 108's on field projects, he told them not to > fraternize with the local teachers, but to remain aloof and superior. > Sometimes movement hotshots would come into town for a project and demand to > be put in the best hotel it town, rather than the decent one reserved for > them. This culturing of egotism is probably accountable for the squandering > of millions of dollars, most notably among the Shrivastavas running the > Indian movement. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
on 5/21/06 6:48 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> on 5/20/06 7:20 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> That's fuzzy, yah moron, and you are a complete phony in addition to >>> your striking lack of intelligence. You don't have a problem with >>> labeling people as (to quote your phrase in phrase 98617 which you >>> left out of this post) "bug-eyed cult zombies" who belong to "a >>> strange, insignificant little cult" (Msg 98557). But when somebody >>> points out the idiotic ideas you embrace, you get all self-righteous -- >>> let me guess, was your psycho dad this way? >> >> In case anyone wonders why I don't get upset by posts like this, it's >> because I figure they say a lot more about Bob than they do about me. "Give >> him enough rope and he'll hang himself" is my approach. They also say >> something about TM or the package for spiritual development that includes >> TM. There must be something missing if someone devoted to this path for so >> many decades can still speak like this. >> > > I would say you ARE a complete phony since you apparently HAVE said that you > believe > that Tmers are "bug-eyed cult zombies" who belong to "a strange, insignificant > little > cult" (Msg 98557). To get upset about a post that repeats your own words > would be odd > indeed, and to pretend that you don't get upset at such a post because it says > more about > the other guy than about you IS to be a complete and utter phony. I don't mind him quoting my words, and as I said, I was taking some poetic license in using those phrases. What I might be expected to get upset about is his use of such words as "moron and knucklehead," referring to my dad as a psycho, etc. The reason this stuff doesn't upset me is that it so blatantly reveals a toxic state of mind that I can only pity the guy. > > Not to mention having a lack of intelligence by not seeing what you've just > said about > yourself. Dare I suggest that your time with Amma doesn't seem to have helped > much, if > any? In fact, I remember you as being far more centered the only time I met > you 25 years > or so ago then you come across now. Appearances are deceptive. I've come a long way, baby. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > In fact, had they NOT done this, they would have revealed themselves to be > > hypocrital and > > only interested in your money (as my son just pointed out) rather than the > > success of the > > ongoing ME dome project. > > Nice theory, I suppose, but everything happened as it was meant to. I'm > happy with the way everything continues to unfold. No regrets. > Fair enough. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
on 5/21/06 6:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> on 5/21/06 7:55 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> You mean EXPLICITLY. No, it wasn't an explicit reference, >>> but in context it could not have been more strongly implied, >>> at least with reference to his former friend. >>> >>> Ditto with the "strange, insignificant little cult" phrase >>> in reference to artxpertartpro changing his screen name. >>> >> On that note, most objective observers would agree that it's rather strange. >> We all know the evidence. And it's a lot more insignificant and little than >> its core members would like to believe. They blow its significance way out >> of proportion by taking credit for every bit of good news in the world, and >> claiming that doomsday would have transpired long ago had it not been for >> their intervention. >> > > So you agree that your "strange, insignificant little cult" phrase WAS a > reference to TM like > Judy assumed? Yes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 1:04 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> Yes there is. There's a mindset, explicitly cultivated by MMY, that > >> helping people on a relative level is inferior to developing > >> individual and collective consciousness, so as to get to the root > >> of all problems. > > > > That should only stop you from failing to give your own > > development priority. It shouldn't stop you from *also* > > engaging in charitable activities. > > Shouldn't but does. Granted, there have been many projects in 3rd world > countries where large groups have been taught for free. But there's an > explicit doctrine in the TMO that "our role is to teach people to transcend, > and that's the highest dharma. It's others' job to feed, cloth, house, them, > etc." From that perspective, your money gets the most leverage if is donated > to the TMO, and not to charitable organizations. Now if the TMO were to use > all that money to do what it says it should be doing, there wouldn't be a > problem. But because Maharishi has explicitly encouraged the attitude among > his elite that they are superior, higher ups in the movement become haughty > and egotistical, not more humble as you'll find in some spiritual > organizations. When he sent the 108's on field projects, he told them not to > fraternize with the local teachers, but to remain aloof and superior. > Sometimes movement hotshots would come into town for a project and demand to > be put in the best hotel it town, rather than the decent one reserved for > them. This culturing of egotism is probably accountable for the squandering > of millions of dollars, most notably among the Shrivastavas running the > Indian movement. > It might be so, but I believe that there is an important psychological strategy behind all that which may or may not have validity: encouraging a feeling of elitism is certainly a time-honored way of encouraging loyalty to an organizational goal, and IF it is true that in the long run, TM brings about the whole shebang that MMY says it does, the problems that you mention that have apparently occured along the way are all, by the nature of the thing, short-term. Of course, from this perspective, "this lifetime" can be considered to be "short-term." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-EX
Nice post. I don't want this one to slip away without a high five. Nicely stated. I wonder how many times you have articulated this extremely personal awakening. I was more interested in flipping the movement the bird when I left. But I appreciate how well you have integrated all the good the movement experiences were for your life. It has taken me a bit longer. I was rejecting a more fundimental world view of spirituality when I left. But the human part of this drama is what moves me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 2:12 PM, steveemming at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Rick, > > What are the reasons you left the TM movement? Please explain... > > I kind of oozed out of it. Left campus reluctantly when there was no > appealing role for me there, continued going to the dome regularly for about > 6 years thereafter, but started getting involved with the local Amma group. > Got my dome badge revoked for that. Started FFL and began to investigate the > darker side of the TMO. Lost my sense of affinity with it. No regrets. No > hard feelings. Grateful for all the benefit I derived from it, and all the > wonderful adventures. Just moved on. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
on 5/21/06 6:17 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> on 5/21/06 2:43 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> I thought, It's the TM-org who dumped Rick Archer..?? >>> >>> >>> >>> Perhaps Archer can clarify.?? >>> >> My dome badge was revoked because of my involvement with Amma. >>> > > You mean, like, you were practicing HER meditation technique instead of MMY's? I hadn't learned any meditation from her at that point. I was doing Maharishi's program in the dome. > > Even if you were still practicing TM during your time in the dome, how could > anyone > expect the TMO to trust you to practice the inferior (in your eyes) > Maharishi-brand > meditation in the domes and the superior (in your eyes) Amma meditation > everywhere > else. They could have asked me. I would have told them what I would tell them now - that its Maharishi's dome, and if you want to be there, you should be practicing his program. >Once you made the choice to go with Amma, it is inevitable by the logic > of the ME > and the purpose of the Domes that your dome-badge would be revoked because of > your > "involvement with Amma." Even if you were still only practicing MMY's TM and > not some > new Amma meditation, the TMO would rightfully yank your badge because THEY > couldn't > be sure what you were doing. > > In fact, had they NOT done this, they would have revealed themselves to be > hypocrital and > only interested in your money (as my son just pointed out) rather than the > success of the > ongoing ME dome project. Nice theory, I suppose, but everything happened as it was meant to. I'm happy with the way everything continues to unfold. No regrets. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Greg Palast on Democracy Now!
If you didn't get to see Amy Goodman's interview with Greg Palast on Democracy Now! (5/15/06) here it is for download:http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6Why does the current administration *really* hate Hugo Chavez?Ever wonder why we *really* went into Iraq?Why are gas/oil prices so high?How were the last TWO elections stolen?What are they really doing with your phone call records?..."The snooping into your phone bill is just the snout of the pig of a strange, lucrative link-up between the Administration’s Homeland Security spy network and private companies operating beyond the reach of the laws meant to protect us from our government. You can call it the privatization of the FBI -- though it is better described as the creation of a private KGB."Worried about Dick Cheney listening in Sunday on your call to Mom? That ain’t nothing. You should be more concerned that they are linking this info to your medical records, your bill purchases and your entire personal profile including, not incidentally, your voting registration."Greg Palast, investigative reporter with the BBC and author of the books "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" and "Democracy and Regulation." His latest book is "Armed Madhouse: Who’s Afraid of Osama Wolf? China Floats, Bush Sinks, The Scheme to Steal "08, No Child’s Behind Left, and Other Dispatches from the Front Lines of the Class War." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
on 5/21/06 1:04 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> Yes there is. There's a mindset, explicitly cultivated by MMY, that >> helping people on a relative level is inferior to developing >> individual and collective consciousness, so as to get to the root >> of all problems. > > That should only stop you from failing to give your own > development priority. It shouldn't stop you from *also* > engaging in charitable activities. Shouldn't but does. Granted, there have been many projects in 3rd world countries where large groups have been taught for free. But there's an explicit doctrine in the TMO that "our role is to teach people to transcend, and that's the highest dharma. It's others' job to feed, cloth, house, them, etc." From that perspective, your money gets the most leverage if is donated to the TMO, and not to charitable organizations. Now if the TMO were to use all that money to do what it says it should be doing, there wouldn't be a problem. But because Maharishi has explicitly encouraged the attitude among his elite that they are superior, higher ups in the movement become haughty and egotistical, not more humble as you'll find in some spiritual organizations. When he sent the 108's on field projects, he told them not to fraternize with the local teachers, but to remain aloof and superior. Sometimes movement hotshots would come into town for a project and demand to be put in the best hotel it town, rather than the decent one reserved for them. This culturing of egotism is probably accountable for the squandering of millions of dollars, most notably among the Shrivastavas running the Indian movement. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > wrote: > > > New Rule: No more pronouns in posts. They cause confusion. haha. > > What "they"? > Marklar, obviously... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > New Rule: No more pronouns in posts. They cause confusion. haha. What "they"? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 2006, at 6:20 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > But in what I observed, he hardly "came to MIU in the first > place > > > > > > because his expert view was that consciousness *was* the unified > > > > > > field." Thats a rewriting of history IMO. > > > > > > This comment was followed by by 5-6 explanatory paragraphs on Domash. > > > Hopefully its clear that I was referring to Domash, not Hagelin. > > > > > > > I got confused too, sorry. > > > > New Rule: No more pronouns in posts. They cause confusion. haha. > "Pronouns considered harmful" --sounds like a parody of a famous article in computer programming: "GOTOs considered harmful." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Judy makes me smile a lot. :-) > > Too bad there isn't a market for TM standup comedy...maybe she could > open for Curtis. Curtis...? ;-) > > No man I'm just smiling over the cool MP3s you sent my way. You mean, you weren't laughing uproariously at what a fool Vaj made of himself? Boy, you missed a really good belly laugh. I need to > hear your stuff now! > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On May 21, 2006, at 6:20 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: > > > > > But in what I observed, he hardly "came to MIU in the first place > > > because his expert view was that consciousness *was* the unified > > > field." Thats a rewriting of history IMO. > > > > > > Indeed. And a typical of the lies Judy casually tries to path as > > truth. If you wanna argue all day with someone like a Jehovah's > > Witness you accidentally invited in your home, it may be your cup of > > tea. But as with most fundies, It's often best to just sit back and > > smile and enjoy a laugh. > > > > Judy makes me smile a lot. :-) > > > > Too bad there isn't a market for TM standup comedy...maybe she could > > open for Curtis. Curtis...? ;-) > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
Judy makes me smile a lot. :-) Too bad there isn't a market for TM standup comedy...maybe she could open for Curtis. Curtis...? ;-) No man I'm just smiling over the cool MP3s you sent my way. I need to hear your stuff now! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 21, 2006, at 6:20 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: > > > But in what I observed, he hardly "came to MIU in the first place > > because his expert view was that consciousness *was* the unified > > field." Thats a rewriting of history IMO. > > > Indeed. And a typical of the lies Judy casually tries to path as > truth. If you wanna argue all day with someone like a Jehovah's > Witness you accidentally invited in your home, it may be your cup of > tea. But as with most fundies, It's often best to just sit back and > smile and enjoy a laugh. > > Judy makes me smile a lot. :-) > > Too bad there isn't a market for TM standup comedy...maybe she could > open for Curtis. Curtis...? ;-) > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 2006, at 6:20 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: > > > > > > > > > But in what I observed, he hardly "came to MIU in the first place > > > > > because his expert view was that consciousness *was* the unified > > > > > field." Thats a rewriting of history IMO. > > > > This comment was followed by by 5-6 explanatory paragraphs on Domash. > > Hopefully its clear that I was referring to Domash, not Hagelin. > > > > I got confused too, sorry. > New Rule: No more pronouns in posts. They cause confusion. haha. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 2006, at 6:20 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: > > > > > > > But in what I observed, he hardly "came to MIU in the first place > > > > because his expert view was that consciousness *was* the unified > > > > field." Thats a rewriting of history IMO. > > This comment was followed by by 5-6 explanatory paragraphs on Domash. > Hopefully its clear that I was referring to Domash, not Hagelin. > I got confused too, sorry. > I understand your points regarding hagelin. > > > Nope. Hagelin came to MUM (then MIU) BECAUSE he believed in these > things. His professional > > reputation in PHysics was made because of his application of his > belief to his professional > > work. > > > > The time-frame of how intense his beliefs became may be debated, but > I recenty ran into an > > online comment by a fellow undergrad who reported that Hagelin used > to use QM to explain > > levitation back when they were both Physics students at Dartmoth. > That would be years > > before he became a practicing scientist. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Scuse me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "blissbunn1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >What did do to deserve that? > Wheee. Thanks for sharing, blissbunn1. I'm sure that people will be standing at the side of > > the road with "Welcome blissbunn1" signs... > It just seemed an odd thing to say: "I'm officially a TM-exer and still moving to Fairfield." I was making fun of your need to make an "official" announcement. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > But I could never tell where the line was with MMY: was this all > > > just an analogy or was it describing the reality? > > > > > > > It's not an anology for MMY or Hagelin either. Perhaps it was for > >Domash. Maybe that's > > what I had in mind when I said he didn't buy the Consciousness = QM > >thing. > > > Its an interesting transition in the TMO history. From scientific > analogies to equivalence to advocacy. > > Dr Melvin proposed some interesting parallels. > > Domash provided detailed analogies but balked at stating them as > equivalent. > > As physics theory evolved, (some say) Haiglin proposed analogies > between string theory and consciousness, MMY said,"Equivalence", > Haiglin said, "um OK" AFTER discussing the idea in-depth with MMY, he said he was convinced simply by the depth of the equivalences that were pointed out. That is NOT the same as "scientific 'proof'" however, and Hagelin may have felt uneasy over touting it that way, even if he personally is convinced. > > MMY said "the vedas and devas are embedded and structure the > physiology". Tony didn't miss a beat and said "Yes!!, Here, and here > and here". It's an interesting idea: that the Vedic archtypes (the devas) that are held to have both physical and mental equivalents are so accurate, at least for humans, that you can point out the brain structures that support a given archtype in the human brain. As a general idea, it's not far from what neuro-scientists in general believe: there's plenty of discussion in the scientific literature about which brain structure supports which mental/emotional function. As a claim of 100% accuracy ala Hagelin's claims about what MMY showed him concerning Physics and the Veda? I don't have the background to evaluate things at that level --few people do since it requires advanced knowledge of a scientific field like Physics or neuroscience as well as some strong familiarity with the details of the Vedic world view. > > Tony became king of the world. > > If his book turns out to be correct, at least in some of the details, he just might be worthy. I mean, imagine the medical utility of being able to reliably chose a piece of vedic music as valid therapy for a given illness merely because vedic tradition holds that said music is pleasing to a given deva or devas, as a for instance... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On May 21, 2006, at 6:20 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: > > > > > But in what I observed, he hardly "came to MIU in the first place > > > because his expert view was that consciousness *was* the unified > > > field." Thats a rewriting of history IMO. > > > > > > Indeed. And a typical of the lies Judy casually tries to path as > > truth. If you wanna argue all day with someone like a Jehovah's > > Witness you accidentally invited in your home, it may be your cup of > > tea. But as with most fundies, It's often best to just sit back and > > smile and enjoy a laugh. > > My comments were about Domash. Judy clarified she was referring to > Haiglin. I was not around when Haiglin arrived. So I am not sure of > his mindset when he did. > I'm not clear on the exact timeline, but I believe that Hagelin talked to MMY AFTER he had moved to MIU or shortly before so either way, his main work on Flipped SU(5) started after he was already living at Fairfield. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On May 21, 2006, at 6:20 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: > > > > > But in what I observed, he hardly "came to MIU in the first place > > > because his expert view was that consciousness *was* the unified > > > field." Thats a rewriting of history IMO. This comment was followed by by 5-6 explanatory paragraphs on Domash. Hopefully its clear that I was referring to Domash, not Hagelin. I understand your points regarding hagelin. > Nope. Hagelin came to MUM (then MIU) BECAUSE he believed in these things. His professional > reputation in PHysics was made because of his application of his belief to his professional > work. > > The time-frame of how intense his beliefs became may be debated, but I recenty ran into an > online comment by a fellow undergrad who reported that Hagelin used to use QM to explain > levitation back when they were both Physics students at Dartmoth. That would be years > before he became a practicing scientist. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nope, no connection here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The QM theories of Hagelin, et al; are relative considerations and have > nothing to do with the topic of Pure Consciousness. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flipped_SU(5) > Save that Hagelin used the Vedic cosmology of MMY to guide his initial revisions to Flipped SU(5) that actually made it a stronger theory from a Western perspective. This proves nothing to other scientists about the validity of the claim that Consciousness = the unified field, but it DOES show where Hagelin himself is coming from. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 21, 2006, at 6:20 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: > > > But in what I observed, he hardly "came to MIU in the first place > > because his expert view was that consciousness *was* the unified > > field." Thats a rewriting of history IMO. > Nope. Hagelin came to MUM (then MIU) BECAUSE he believed in these things. His professional reputation in PHysics was made because of his application of his belief to his professional work. The time-frame of how intense his beliefs became may be debated, but I recenty ran into an online comment by a fellow undergrad who reported that Hagelin used to use QM to explain levitation back when they were both Physics students at Dartmoth. That would be years before he became a practicing scientist. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Or Elton John's "The Bitch is Back" > > > > Is that an autobiographical song? > > > > lurk > > I'd say that ALL poetry (lyrics) are autombiographical. Oh, okay Spare. Thanks for the insight. lurk > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 2006, at 4:12 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Domash, IIRC, ... but > > > > he didn't buy into MMY's ideas about Quantum Mechanics. > > That sounds quite funny, "MMY's ideas about Quantum Mechanics". MMY > was was not talking in detail about QM, he left that to Domash -- and > in that era also to a lesser degree Alex Hankey and ??? > whats-his-name. Larry and co. developed a lot of analogies and > paralells to SCI/Consciousness from QM, releativity and other aspects > of modern physics. Larry certainly "bought" into the analogies and > parallels -- he created them > > I observed that where there was as gentle rift was M's growing series > of proclamations, 1974-76+, that the infinite potential of the > quantum field aka, later, the Vacuum State, was not just a good > analogy and parlallel to Consciousness, it WAS Consciousness. He held > that the QM equations were describing Consciousness itself. Thats the > idea Larry originally had some difficulty publically supporting. > Though he moved closer to it via investigating and providing > supporting materials, I am not clear that he ever fully subscribed to > it. And if he did, I would not think that he still does. > > > > > > Neither did Hagelin till he was told "make it work, or you're out > of here". > > By tweaking string theroy to make it more vedic, as brought up in an > adjacent post, does not indicate that John believed then that the > Unified Field IS Consciousness. > > Though curently he appears to, at last publically, make that case or > one close to it. Anyone closely parsed his language for wiggle room? > I think that Hagelin buys the idea whole-heartedly. I believe that any parsing that you might do only reveals evidence that he has a scientist's self-conscious intent to distance himself from his own non-supportable-by-evidence beliefs, not evidence that he doesn't have those beliefs. Hagelin has staked his personal reputation on these beliefs, but "personal reputation" isn't "scientific evidence" and he knows it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: physics and the transcendent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Some of the early quantum pioneers considered the relationship > between pure Consciousness and phenomena, concluding that the > Transcendent in the context of Brahman "points" to analogous concepts > in physics; but contrary to what MMY would have people believe, there > is no physics of his "Unified Field". There is in Hagelin's original work to make Flipped SU(5) more vedic and in his relatively more recent work with MMY that examined what Hagelin termed "uncanny" (or similar term) parallels at ALL levels between the QM description of the world and the vedic. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" > wrote: > > > > Or Elton John's "The Bitch is Back" > > Is that an autobiographical song? > > lurk I'd say that ALL poetry (lyrics) are autombiographical. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 2:41 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Or have MMY as a guru in the first place. > > > > Even better yet, join Amma or the Holy Roman Catholic Church and do > > all the good works you want...but I suggest that if you meditate > > twice a day those good works will be more effective. > > Amma recommends meditation. She says it's like gold. But she recommends also > doing selfless service, which, she says, makes it like fragrant gold. > Of course, all actions are selfless service if you are enlightened... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Scuse me
>What did do to deserve that? Wheee. Thanks for sharing, blissbunn1. I'm sure that people will be standing at the side of > the road with "Welcome blissbunn1" signs... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes and Sidhis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I heard that Charlie Lutes did not think the Sidhis were of much value > but was sold out on plain TM. Is there any research which > differentiates results based on Sidhis versus TM alone? > I don't know of any recent research on the TM-Sidhis. Personally, I can feel a difference when I don't finish program, but that may be psychosomatic. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 1:33 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > > Imo, it is inaccurate to see Amma's work and Maharishi's work in > > opposition to one another, as you and Bob are doing. Each performs a > > critical function. Depends on our perspective which one we naturally > > support. No right or wrong. > > You're right. My only beef with the Movement is when it says one thing and > does another. For instance, the TMO brings way more money into India than > Amma does. If it doesn't believe in humanitarian activities, and prefers to > apply resources to enlivening the transcendent, fine. How many are being > taught to meditate who aren't paying their way? How many pundits are there? > I can answer that one. There are fewer than 6,000 and the number is > dwindling as they age. Fewer young ones are joining than older ones leaving. > They're all paid to be there, as that's part of the deal that convinces > their parents to send them. Money is sent home to support the family. But do > these activities and any others anyone would care to itemize account for the > many millions of dollars that have been brought into the country? Show me > the money! > There WERE many buildings that many people (including teh Indian press) have described in India. SOme were raized to the ground recently. Others are still lying vacant I imagine. Still other buildings are being built. The World Peace fund in India is a for-profit venture, I believe. SOme portion of the TMO funds may be siphoned off to keep the investors happy in India, which also keeps the politicians happy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 24 adopted countries
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 1:46 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Just realized MMY has adopted 24 countries. > > "Adopted" them means what? Changes their diapers, buys them braces, sends > them to college? > Concentrates the attention and actions of the TMO specifically to those countries. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > > > > "A recent example was given of this on another > > > > TM-related list where a friend of one of John > > > > Hagelin's research assistants explained to him > > > > that Hagelin had insisted there was not sufficient > > > > scientific evidence to support 'pure consciousness' > > > > as a unified field. Mahesh disagreed and told him > > > > 'change it or I'll get someone else'. > > > > > > BTW, this post of Vaj's to alt.m.t was made on > > > January 28 of this year. Patrick's post to FFL > > > was made on January 23, hence the phrase "a recent > > > example." > > > > > > You know, just in case Vaj tries to claim that > > > wasn't the FFL post he was referring to. > > > > Just in case anyone actually cares. > > Yeah, I know, most of the folks here have a marked > lack of interest in facts. They prefer liars to > truth-tellers, hypocrites to straight-shooters, at > least among their own number. > > So very spiritual. > Well, that's true of any organization, I think. Even those that claim to value truth amongst everything else are not immune to this thing. I mean, speaking as someone whose OCD used to manifest in a Jim Carrey "Liar, Liar" way, you REALLY don't want to be around a compulsive truth teller. Everyone prefers compulsive liars and I do mean "everyone" -even the compulsive truth tellers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 5/21/06 12:27 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: > > > > > Well, Paul's exhortations are certainly warm and fuzzy. > > > > > > But the issue you had raised was why the *TMO* wasn't > > > going around doing good works comparable to Amma's; > > > that's what Shemp was responding to. > > > > > > As Shemp pointed out, there's nothing stopping a TMer > > > from engaging in charitable activities in a non-TM > > > context; > > > > Yes there is. There's a mindset, explicitly cultivated by MMY, > that helping > > people on a relative level is inferior to developing individual and > > collective consciousness, so as to get to the root of all > problems. By the > > same token, MMY goes after the rich people so that they, in turn, > will help > > the less fortunate. Sort of a spiritual Reganomics, which hasn't > worked in > > either arena. > > > Imo, it is inaccurate to see Amma's work and Maharishi's work in > opposition to one another, as you and Bob are doing. Each performs a > critical function. Depends on our perspective which one we naturally > support. No right or wrong. > And, why couldn't someone support the TMO *and* do good works, both as an individual, and via chartiable contributions? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 5/21/06 12:27 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: > > > > > Well, Paul's exhortations are certainly warm and fuzzy. > > > > > > But the issue you had raised was why the *TMO* wasn't > > > going around doing good works comparable to Amma's; > > > that's what Shemp was responding to. > > > > > > As Shemp pointed out, there's nothing stopping a TMer > > > from engaging in charitable activities in a non-TM > > > context; > > > > Yes there is. There's a mindset, explicitly cultivated by MMY, that > > helping people on a relative level is inferior to developing > > individual and collective consciousness, so as to get to the root > > of all problems. > > That should only stop you from failing to give your own > development priority. It shouldn't stop you from *also* > engaging in charitable activities. > Unless they are on Purusha or Mother Divine and the TMO is the ONLY activity they engage in. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 12:34 PM, blissbunn1 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > To my knowledge he assaulted Jane Doe at gunpoint as MIU President. > > That's pretty heavy. What was their relationship? Were the police called? > There you go again, assuming that every negative rumor concerning sexuality is true. MY first question is: how does blissbuni1 know about this? Did she reveal it to blissbunn1 and no-one else? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 12:27 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Well, Paul's exhortations are certainly warm and fuzzy. > > > > But the issue you had raised was why the *TMO* wasn't > > going around doing good works comparable to Amma's; > > that's what Shemp was responding to. > > > > As Shemp pointed out, there's nothing stopping a TMer > > from engaging in charitable activities in a non-TM > > context; > > Yes there is. There's a mindset, explicitly cultivated by MMY, that helping > people on a relative level is inferior to developing individual and > collective consciousness, so as to get to the root of all problems. By the > same token, MMY goes after the rich people so that they, in turn, will help > the less fortunate. Sort of a spiritual Reganomics, which hasn't worked in > either arena. > That's concerning the activities of the TMO. Many people CLAIM to be of a religious tradition that calls for them to do chartiable works as individuals. Many TMers in the TMO appear to neglect this aspect of their religious tradition, which is counter to MMY's encouragement of them practicing their original religion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "blissbunn1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To my knowledge he assaulted Jane Doe at gunpoint as MIU President. > When was Domash President of MIU? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deprogrammer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "blissbunn1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there a cult deprogrammer there for support? > Sorry. Cult deprogrammer is the next forum over. This is TM Argument. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 21, 2006, at 7:39 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 2006, at 6:20 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: > > > > > > > But in what I observed, he hardly "came to MIU in the first > > > > place because his expert view was that consciousness *was* > > > > the unified field." Thats a rewriting of history IMO. > > > > > > Indeed. And a typical of the lies Judy casually tries to path as > > > truth. If you wanna argue all day with someone like a Jehovah's > > > Witness you accidentally invited in your home, it may be your > > > cup of tea. But as with most fundies, It's often best to just > > > sit back and smile and enjoy a laugh. > > > > Oh, jeez, I love it! > > > > Obviously new_morning got confused because of the thread > > title and thought we were talking about Domash when what > > he says is a "rewriting of history" was actually about > > Hagelin. > > > > Is it *conceivable* Vaj missed that? > > No unfortunately I've not missed your frequent re-writing of > history! Vaj, say: "I'm sorry, Judy, I flubbed a rather big dub there in my eagerness to brand you a liar." BTW, I don't lie, nor do I rewrite history. That's your game. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > > Hey, I don't claim to be perfect. I'm sure I possess to some > degree any > > negative trait you could accuse me of. But if we took a vote here > as to > > whether Bob or I am the most inclined to hurl > > juvenile insults, This is the operative word. > > lurk > As opposied to terms like "zombies," "strange little cult," etc? Your freudian slip is showing... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > However eventually this was supplanted with the idea that > > consciousness *was* the unified field--and thus the infamous > > Hagelin article where he gave up his own expert view (that > > consciousness was *not* the unified field) > > Documentation, please, that this was indeed his view. > > Remember that he came to MIU in the first place because > his expert view was that consciousness *was* the unified > field. > Hagelin did his initial tweaks on Flipped SU(5) based on conversations with MMY about Vedic Cosmology. This lead to the long-term collaboration with Ellis and Nanapolis that established the reputation of all three. Some years later, MMY insisted that Hagelin take another look at the relationship between Veda and Physics, claiming that the connection ran far deeper than Hagelin realized. Hagelin initially was quite skeptical, but went ahead and talked to MMY anyway. At the end of the discussion, several days long, Hagelin stated that MMY had convinced him that the parallels with QM were overwhelmingly close and that not only was Consciousness the Unified Field, as he had been saying for many years, but that the Vedic description of the way in which things happened was uncannily close to the modern Physics findings. THIS initial skepticism of Hagelin may be what everyone is thinking of. It's no secret. Hagelin discribes it in detail on an MIU Video Magazine tape. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "blissbunn1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well folks I'm announcing it here now. I am officially a TM xer. But I'm cominfg to Fairfield > anyway. > > on 5/21/06 11:42 AM, blissbunn1 at blissbuni@ wrote: > > > > > So is he f***ing his way around the world too? > > > > He (Hagelin) has that reputation. Certainly did during his presidential > > campaigns. Marital status of the women was not an issue. Don't know what > > he's up to these days. > > > Wheee. Thanks for sharing, blissbunn1. I'm sure that people will be standing at the side of the road with "Welcome blissbunn1" signs... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 11:42 AM, blissbunn1 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > So is he f***ing his way around the world too? > > He (Hagelin) has that reputation. Certainly did during his presidential > campaigns. Marital status of the women was not an issue. Don't know what > he's up to these days. > Donb't know that John was actually doing this or not, but its not exactly unheard of. In fact, its pretty much the NORM for high-level politicians to bonk everything that moves while on the campaign trail. A stress-release mechanism, I suspect. It happens with both men AND women, BTW. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But I could never tell where the line was with MMY: was this all > > just an analogy or was it describing the reality? > > > > It's not an anology for MMY or Hagelin either. Perhaps it was for >Domash. Maybe that's > what I had in mind when I said he didn't buy the Consciousness = QM >thing. Its an interesting transition in the TMO history. From scientific analogies to equivalence to advocacy. Dr Melvin proposed some interesting parallels. Domash provided detailed analogies but balked at stating them as equivalent. As physics theory evolved, (some say) Haiglin proposed analogies between string theory and consciousness, MMY said,"Equivalence", Haiglin said, "um OK" MMY said "the vedas and devas are embedded and structure the physiology". Tony didn't miss a beat and said "Yes!!, Here, and here and here". Tony became king of the world. Now just put it music, along the lines of Dylan's Highway 61 "God said to Abraham, 'Kill me a son.' Abe said, 'What! God, you must be putting me on.' God said, 'Abe do what you want, but next time you see me, you better run.' Out on Highway 61." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > When called on it, these guys didn't even perceive > that there was a pattern, and that they were running > the same number over and over and over. They were > so in denial about what they were doing that they > had convinced themselves that it was "true love" > and spontaneous every time. > > Me, I always found it easier to just be one of > the few guys around who wasn't buying any of this > celibacy stuff. The word got around quickly, and > there was no need for any of the slimy tricks. > It was, after all, the 70s. > If they didn't see the pattern themselves, how was it a slimey trick? I'm not questioning the existance of the pattern, only your characterization of it as a "slimey trick." Sounds like typical self-deception to me. Part of the mood-making thing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 21, 2006, at 12:21 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > on 5/21/06 11:02 AM, blissbunn1 at blissbuni@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Excuse me? > > > > you needed force back then to keep the groupies *away* > > > > > > Again, he's exaggerating... > > > > Not much. There is a phenomenon in spiritual groups > > that is remarkably similar to a phenomenon in the > > world of music -- the starfucker. Suffice it to > > say that having Maharishi's attention was a sure > > way in the TM movement of the 70s to get laid. > > It was a kind of "charisma by association." > > > I remember seeing an interview where a number of women who were being > interviewed wooed over their "admiration" of JH. They were young MIU > students. One couldn't help but notice this same dynamic that you > mention. He was (and still is) a TM rock star. > Happens in any organization. Some create rules to counter the phenomenon but, depending on the importance to the organziation of the person violating the rules, the organization may prosecute said person for violations, or may cover his/her tracks instead. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 21, 2006, at 12:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > Quantum mechanics, Unified State and Consciousness...this was all, > > as far as I could tell, analogy. > > Good point. We had discussed this here before. A good friend of mine > let me look over all his MIU course work which back then was all > privately printed. They made it a point of drawing these connections > extensively in the early coursework but then would state at the end > these were analogies and that you could only take analogies so far. > > However eventually this was supplanted with the idea that > consciousness *was* the unified field--and thus the infamous Hagelin > article where he gave up his own expert view (that consciousness was > *not* the unified field) for the insistence of his teacher that > consciousness *was* the unified field of all the laws of nature. In > other words he threw his own credibility out the window in order to > stay close to M. > As I pointed out, Hagelin MADE HIS REPUTATION by tweaking Flipped SU(5) to be more in- line with MMY's view. He may have had doubts before Flipped SU(5) but not after. > > > > And I suppose analogy is fine when it comes to helping one > > understand complex and abstract ideas, which Physics is full of. For > > example, we've often heard the analogy of the two twins that leave > > Earth at the same time in two separate spacecrafts, one travelling > > at the speed of light and the other at a lesser speed and one comes > > back older than the other. > > > > But I could never tell where the line was with MMY: was this all > > just an analogy or was it describing the reality? > > See the above. Originally it was a provocative analogy, later it > became the operating mythos. Based on Hagelin's professional experience that led to him becoming a famous Physicist. > > In reality it is probably *prana* that is the unified field. Oops. Oh > well, it was a good marketing spiel while it lasted... > > Interesting, in Nirukta, prana literally means "first unit of energy". > But the unified field isn't matter OR energy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 10:59 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > >> > >> on 5/20/06 7:20 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >>> That's fuzzy, yah moron, and you are a complete phony in addition > > to > >>> your striking lack of intelligence. You don't have a problem with > >>> labeling people as (to quote your phrase in phrase 98617 which you > >>> left out of this post) "bug-eyed cult zombies" who belong to "a > >>> strange, insignificant little cult" (Msg 98557). But when somebody > >>> points out the idiotic ideas you embrace, you get all self- > > righteous -- > >>> let me guess, was your psycho dad this way? > >> > >> In case anyone wonders why I don't get upset by posts like this, > >> it's because I figure they say a lot more about Bob than they do > >> about me. "Give him enough rope and he'll hang himself" is my > >> approach. They also say something about TM or the package for > >> spiritual development that includes TM. There must be something > >> missing if someone devoted to this path for so many decades can > >> still speak like this. > > > > You mean, like pointing out the hypocrisy of decrying > > labels while indulging freely in using them yourself? > > Hey, I don't claim to be perfect. I'm sure I possess to some degree any > negative trait you could accuse me of. But if we took a vote here as to > whether Bob or I am the most inclined to hurl juvenile insults, and as to > which of us is more attached to clinging to cherished assumptions, and > unwilling to consider opposing viewpoints, who do you think would win? > Depends on who agrees with which party about which viewpoint and which cherished assumption, obviously... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 5/21/06 2:36:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > peterklutz@ writes: > > > > > Maybe because they think the good guys are too good to be true? > > > > > > Seriously though, people vote for the most appealing candidate, > > period. They can't do > > > otherwise. > > > > > > > Then MMY is correct - people are simply too stupid to be trusted to > > choose their own leaders. > > > > > > > > Many fall for the guy that promises the most freebies, doesn't > matter if he > > can deliver , just say what you're for and get the vote. > > > > Robert A.Heinlien called that 'voting themselves Bread and > Circuses', and complained about it and the increase in personal > rudness, being the marks of a declining culture. > > Of course we have Haeglen for President ... wait, that doesn't > inspire confidence either... Hagelin raised many good points (IMHO) during the campaign. That's the main funtion of most 3rd parties in the USA. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > > The Furher Mahesh effect. > > > > You can't even spell "Führer." > > > > > Why am I not surprised that Judy knows the proper spelling of "Fuhrer"? > I believe she speaks some German and is a book editor as well. I'm not at all surprised either, though its a silly thing to correct people's spelling during a critical argument since it leads to being called a "spell-check Nazi," which is a bit unfortunate given the term that was being corrected. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On May 21, 2006, at 4:12 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I beg your pardon. I don't get it. > > > > > > > > What I meant was did Dr. Domash was the first to put > > > forward the Unified field > > > theory of consciousness or was it Dr. Hagelin's brain-wave.?? > > > > > > Domash, IIRC, suggested that the Maharishi Effect might have an > N- > > > squared version, but > > > he didn't buy into MMY's ideas about Quantum Mechanics. > > > > Neither did Hagelin till he was told "make it work, or you're out > of > > here". Interesting 'cause it may give an essential insight into > how > > TM research is fudged: make it work or else you're out of here. > The > > Furher Mahesh effect. > > > > Knowing this, how could anyone take TM research seriously? > > > > > Quantum mechanics, Unified State and Consciousness...this was all, > as far as I could tell, analogy. > > And I suppose analogy is fine when it comes to helping one > understand complex and abstract ideas, which Physics is full of. For > example, we've often heard the analogy of the two twins that leave > Earth at the same time in two separate spacecrafts, one travelling > at the speed of light and the other at a lesser speed and one comes > back older than the other. > > But I could never tell where the line was with MMY: was this all > just an analogy or was it describing the reality? > It's not an anology for MMY or Hagelin either. Perhaps it was for Domash. Maybe that's what I had in mind when I said he didn't buy the Consciousness = QM thing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 21, 2006, at 10:34 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 2006, at 4:12 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > Domash, IIRC, suggested that the Maharishi Effect might have an N- > > > > squared version, but > > > > he didn't buy into MMY's ideas about Quantum Mechanics. > > > > > > Neither did Hagelin till he was told "make it work, or you're out > > > of here". > > > > That's demonstrably inaccurate, Vaj. As you know, > > your claim was very thoroughly debunked over on > > alt.m.t. > > > It was actually discussed here, not there, where people privy to such > information discussed and revealed the knowledge of how TM research > was unduly influenced, biased and falsified for profit and access to > the teacher. Perhaps you could remind of us of where this was established, rather than asserted? perhaps you can show where research on TM conducted inside or outside of MUM/MIU in the last 15 years or so fits this bill? Please recall that fudged research published in peer- reviewed articles can result in fines, loss of future grants, and even jail-time in the most extreme cases. The editors of the various peer-reviewed journals that have published research on TM would be most interested in any evidence that you have that this is the case. > > > > Interesting 'cause it may give an essential insight into how > > > TM research is fudged: make it work or else you're out of here. > > > > Except that wasn't the case. > > I'm sorry you missed the discussion where this knowledge was brought > out. Self-serving bias is one of the many valid criticisms of TM > pseudoscience. > *I* have been around for quite a bit of the discussions in the past few months or however long its been since I joined FFL and I don't recall any credible evidence beyond innuendo that can be refuted simply by someone else saying "that's not what I recall happening" as David Orme-Johnson has done on his website. Just because you assert something and ignore countering arguments and evidence, doesn't mean that what you assert is "knowledge" that has been "brought out." > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 5/21/06 2:34 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote: > > > > > > And my sin was even bigger. I refused to see MMY when the course > was > > > over, because I could not stand the smell and the whole atmosphere. > > > A very bad thing to do, I was told. > > > Ingegerd > > > > The smell and atmosphere around MMY? He was always surrounded by > flowers. > > How could you not have liked the smell? > > It was the smell in the building - the whole atmosphere with all the > sick people. I am sure MMY was surrounded by flowers, but that was not > in my mind. That you were more concerned with the negative then with the positive says something about where YOU were coming from. Perhaps this was a result of unstressing due to the course, or perhaps you simply were coming to a realization that the TMO wasn't for you, or some combinaion of the two. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/20/06 7:20 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > That's fuzzy, yah moron, and you are a complete phony in addition to > > your striking lack of intelligence. You don't have a problem with > > labeling people as (to quote your phrase in phrase 98617 which you > > left out of this post) "bug-eyed cult zombies" who belong to "a > > strange, insignificant little cult" (Msg 98557). But when somebody > > points out the idiotic ideas you embrace, you get all self-righteous -- > > let me guess, was your psycho dad this way? > > In case anyone wonders why I don't get upset by posts like this, it's > because I figure they say a lot more about Bob than they do about me. "Give > him enough rope and he'll hang himself" is my approach. They also say > something about TM or the package for spiritual development that includes > TM. There must be something missing if someone devoted to this path for so > many decades can still speak like this. > I would say you ARE a complete phony since you apparently HAVE said that you believe that Tmers are "bug-eyed cult zombies" who belong to "a strange, insignificant little cult" (Msg 98557). To get upset about a post that repeats your own words would be odd indeed, and to pretend that you don't get upset at such a post because it says more about the other guy than about you IS to be a complete and utter phony. Not to mention having a lack of intelligence by not seeing what you've just said about yourself. Dare I suggest that your time with Amma doesn't seem to have helped much, if any? In fact, I remember you as being far more centered the only time I met you 25 years or so ago then you come across now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
On May 21, 2006, at 7:39 PM, authfriend wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On May 21, 2006, at 6:20 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: > > > > > But in what I observed, he hardly "came to MIU in the first place > > > because his expert view was that consciousness *was* the unified > > > field." Thats a rewriting of history IMO. > > > > Indeed. And a typical of the lies Judy casually tries to path as > > truth. If you wanna argue all day with someone like a Jehovah's > > Witness you accidentally invited in your home, it may be your cup > > of tea. But as with most fundies, It's often best to just sit back > > and smile and enjoy a laugh. > > Oh, jeez, I love it! > > Obviously new_morning got confused because of the thread > title and thought we were talking about Domash when what > he says is a "rewriting of history" was actually about > Hagelin. > > Is it *conceivable* Vaj missed that? No unfortunately I've not missed your frequent re-writing of history! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > However eventually this was supplanted with the idea that > > > > > consciousness *was* the unified field--and thus the infamous > > > > > Hagelin article where he gave up his own expert view (that > > > > > consciousness was *not* the unified field) > > > > > > > > Documentation, please, that this was indeed his view. > > > > > > > > Remember that he came to MIU in the first place because > > > > his expert view was that consciousness *was* the unified > > > > field. > > > > > > Thats not a particularly good description of what I observed. > > > > Your history of Domash is interesting, but the > > above isn't a description of Domash; it's a > > description of John Hagelin. > > Opps. Never mind, as Emily Litella (Gildna Radner) would say. > Mislead by the subject of the post, and perhaps blurring another > post that mentioned Domash and Haiglin as following marching orders > against their own beliefs, I got mixed up on who "he" was referring > to. That's what I figured. No problem (although you might want to clue Vaj in when you get to his post cheering you on for having exposed my "lies"). Your history was a nice contribution that filled in some of the blanks in earlier developments. > Also, a large number of "new" Domash posts arrived just a bit a go - - > though they are hours old. Yahoo hiccups I guess. I see the "analogy" > theme of Domash and early MIU have already been covered. Opps. Never > mind. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 21, 2006, at 6:20 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: > > > But in what I observed, he hardly "came to MIU in the first place > > because his expert view was that consciousness *was* the unified > > field." Thats a rewriting of history IMO. > > > Indeed. And a typical of the lies Judy casually tries to path as > truth. If you wanna argue all day with someone like a Jehovah's > Witness you accidentally invited in your home, it may be your cup of > tea. But as with most fundies, It's often best to just sit back and > smile and enjoy a laugh. My comments were about Domash. Judy clarified she was referring to Haiglin. I was not around when Haiglin arrived. So I am not sure of his mindset when he did. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/20/06 9:53 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> But the comparison here is that someone may report you as having gone into a > >> store shirtless, even though you didn't. You're then called before a > >> committee, not told who your accuser was or given a chance to defend > >> yourself, and then banished from the store for an indefinite period. > >> > > > > Who gets called before a committee? Any Sidha or just ones affiliated with the > > TMO or > > MUM in some way? > > Anyone who wants to be in the dome, and is doing something, or accused of > doing something, of which the TMO disapproves. > Too bad they didn't have that in place for students before the murder last year. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > However eventually this was supplanted with the idea that > > > > consciousness *was* the unified field--and thus the infamous > > > > Hagelin article where he gave up his own expert view (that > > > > consciousness was *not* the unified field) > > > > > > Documentation, please, that this was indeed his view. > > > > > > Remember that he came to MIU in the first place because > > > his expert view was that consciousness *was* the unified > > > field. > > > > Thats not a particularly good description of what I observed. > > Your history of Domash is interesting, but the > above isn't a description of Domash; it's a > description of John Hagelin. Opps. Never mind, as Emily Litella (Gildna Radner) would say. Mislead by the subject of the post, and perhaps blurring another post that mentioned Domash and Haiglin as following marching orders against their own beliefs, I got mixed up on who "he" was referring to. Also, a large number of "new" Domash posts arrived just a bit a go -- though they are hours old. Yahoo hiccups I guess. I see the "analogy" theme of Domash and early MIU have already been covered. Opps. Never mind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 21, 2006, at 6:20 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: > > > But in what I observed, he hardly "came to MIU in the first place > > because his expert view was that consciousness *was* the unified > > field." Thats a rewriting of history IMO. > > Indeed. And a typical of the lies Judy casually tries to path as > truth. If you wanna argue all day with someone like a Jehovah's > Witness you accidentally invited in your home, it may be your cup > of tea. But as with most fundies, It's often best to just sit back > and smile and enjoy a laugh. Oh, jeez, I love it! Obviously new_morning got confused because of the thread title and thought we were talking about Domash when what he says is a "rewriting of history" was actually about Hagelin. Is it *conceivable* Vaj missed that? > Judy makes me smile a lot. :-) Actually I give Vaj agida. When I've exposed one of his misrepresentations, he gets very disoriented and starts making hilarious blunders like the above. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: LOL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "blissbuni blissbuni" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You guys are great! I knew life had evolved in Fairfield. Is > > > there any fresh > > > > > fish to be had or is catfish still the only thing sold? > > > > > > > > > > Are you all sleeping at 10PM? > > > > > > > > > > blissbunn1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > The nights before my neighbor goes to work, I go to bed > between > > > 830 and 1030. I watch her > > > > daughter for a couple of hours before daycare starts, and she > > goes > > > to work at 5:30. > > > > Fortunately I like her daughter (and she's kinda cute though > not > > > interested). > > > > > > > > > > > > > I must say, Spare Egg, that last line of your's creeped me out. > > > > > > You watch your neighbour's daughter for her? If you're an adult > > > supervising an underage daughter, the daughter must be, max, 13 > > > years old, no? > > > > > > And you find her "kinda cute" but you're "not interested"? > > > > Huccome you read it like that!!? > > > > That's the way it seemed he wrote it, but he clarified it in his > next post. > I'll clarify even more: I like, or even love, her daughter -- I consider her almost one of my own kids. I am attracted to my neighbor, but she's not interested in me though very happy to have help taking care of her daughter. It's not merely an emotion-based service. My ex had agreed to do the baby-sitting in exchange for receiving my neighbor's car when she leaves town in a few months. Then my ex got a nice (sorta nice) job, so I offered to take over the baby-sitting duties. This helps my ex by giving her a car, helps the neighbor by letting her save money on a non-regular-hours baby sitter/day care, and lets me spend time with my neighbor's daughter, who is very dear to me. (and MAYBE gives me long term brownie points with both women --I'm such a Mormon at heart)... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By tweaking string theroy to make it more vedic, as brought up in an > adjacent post, does not indicate that John believed then that the > Unified Field IS Consciousness. > > Though curently he appears to, at last publically, make that case or > one close to it. Anyone closely parsed his language for wiggle room? Have a look at his 1987 speculative paper, "Is Consciousness the Unified Field?" It's pretty clear his answer is yes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 21, 2006, at 2:00 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > The Furher Mahesh effect. > > > > > > > > > > You can't even spell "Führer." > > > > > > > > Why am I not surprised that Judy knows the proper spelling > > > of "Fuhrer"? > > > > > > Bitching about your spelling beats having to face facts, like the > > > Führer Mahesh Effect (give your money, turn thinking to mush). > > > > I guess you didn't bother to actually read the post, > > did you? The spelling comment was a throwaway at the > > very end. The rest of the post was extensive correction > > of nonfacts provided by Vaj. > > After a while ignoring your posts can become a habit. I'm > guessing, but I'm sure Which, guessing or sure? > he was glossing over the obsessive quoting thang like so > many of us do. Since I don't quote obsessively, I rather doubt that's the case. Much more likely he had only read Shemp's post, which had snipped everything but the "Führer" comment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Nope, no connection here
The QM theories of Hagelin, et al; are relative considerations and have nothing to do with the topic of Pure Consciousness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flipped_SU(5) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 7:55 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > You mean EXPLICITLY. No, it wasn't an explicit reference, > > but in context it could not have been more strongly implied, > > at least with reference to his former friend. > > > > Ditto with the "strange, insignificant little cult" phrase > > in reference to artxpertartpro changing his screen name. > > > On that note, most objective observers would agree that it's rather strange. > We all know the evidence. And it's a lot more insignificant and little than > its core members would like to believe. They blow its significance way out > of proportion by taking credit for every bit of good news in the world, and > claiming that doomsday would have transpired long ago had it not been for > their intervention. > So you agree that your "strange, insignificant little cult" phrase WAS a reference to TM like Judy assumed? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 10:36 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > on 5/21/06 3:16 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> > >> Thanks Sparaig. I suppose Dr. Hagelin was the first to propose it.?? > >> > >> > >> > > What are Dr. Domash's theories anyway.?? and why did he leave the > > movement.? > > > > Reasons may have been many and varied, but one was that he was eclipsed by > > Hagelin, just as he eclipsed another physicist (whose name I forget) > > > Dr. Melvin > that's always been a suspicion of mine. Contrast his leaving with Kieth Wallace's willingness to step aside when MMY requested it, or to step up and work with other educational organizations under the TM umbrella. A genuinely dedicated and HUMBLE individual, IMHO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 21, 2006, at 1:11 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > "A recent example was given of this on another > > > TM-related list where a friend of one of John > > > Hagelin's research assistants explained to him > > > that Hagelin had insisted there was not sufficient > > > scientific evidence to support 'pure consciousness' > > > as a unified field. Mahesh disagreed and told him > > > 'change it or I'll get someone else'. > > > > BTW, this post of Vaj's to alt.m.t was made on > > January 28 of this year. Patrick's post to FFL > > was made on January 23, hence the phrase "a recent > > example." > > > > You know, just in case Vaj tries to claim that > > wasn't the FFL post he was referring to. > > Actually I had heard this mentioned here before you graced this > fine forum. However, in your alt.m.t post (as I said) you were specifically misrepresenting this post from Patrick. > But nice try! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 3:00 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock wrote: > >> > >> > >> Does anyone know the differences between Dr. Domash's theories and Dr. > >> Hagelin's > > theories.?? > >> > > > > Domash never bought into the Unified Field = Consciousness thing. > > I don't think "unified field" was a happening term in Domash's day. He tried > to equate the vacuum state with consciousness. > Huh. The vacuum state is equated with the superstring field in superstring theories, I believe. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
bunch of things he had said that weren't true, and my corrections thereof> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 21, 2006, at 12:54 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > These allegations have, in fact, been discussed > > over and over again, in great detail, on alt.m.t. > > > > > > > Interesting 'cause it may give an essential insight into how > > > > > TM research is fudged: make it work or else you're out of > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > Except that wasn't the case. > > > > > > I'm sorry you missed the discussion where this knowledge was > > > brought out. > > > > Except that I didn't miss it, of course. Patrick's > > post was in response to one of mine. But that thread > > wasn't even about the research being "fudged." There > > have been other discussions here along those lines, but > > not this one (which began with another misrepresentation > > from you, this concerning something Ken Wilber said). > > > > > Self-serving bias is one of the many valid criticisms of TM > > > pseudoscience. > > > > As you well know, I'm on the record as > > being highly skeptical about some of the TM research > > and scientific claims, especially concerning the > > Maharishi Effect. > > Actually I've heard you argue *for* the M-effect. What you've "heard" me do is play devil's advocate with people who dismiss it without knowing what they're talking about. There can't be a decent debate about it unless both sides understand what it's supposed to *be*. What you've *also* heard me argue is that the *research* on the ME is far from conclusive, and that IF the ME exists, it would most likely be impossible to demonstrate in any case. The idea of the ME makes sense to me, and I'd love for it to be true, but I'm not convinced on the basis of the studies. The most I can say is that I don't rule it out. > Perhaps you could > post some of your alleged criticisms of this alleged effect? Of the research, you mean? Basically, there are too many variables, and the theory itself isn't well enough developed to test. Some of the results are suggestive, but no more than that. It's very unfortunate that the TMO pretends it has "proved" the ME. > You're even on the record as saying you believe that consciousness > *is* the unified field. Yes, I think it's a very good bet. And so? > > But, of course, you're trying to change the subject; > > I wasn't addressing the research or the claims at all, > > as you know. The issue is *your* claim that Hagelin > > doesn't believe consciousness is the unified field. > > > > I'd suggest that claim is highly representative of > > self-serving bias on your part. > > No, not at all--just what the record reflects of people who knew > Hagelin and the ultimatum he was dealt. Well, you deleted the discussion of the "ultimatum" and how you misrepresented the post you were referring to. No surprise there. To recap: The "ultimatum" was that Hagelin go out and lecture about it to non-TM scientists when he felt it was still too speculative to be presented convincingly to skeptics, not that he was to preach it when he didn't believe in it himself. And of course this list has > numerous similar claims to those around M. who were dealt > ultimatums. Non sequitur. We're talking about your misrepresentation concerning Hagelin. > I honestly don't buy that those on alt.med.transce have ever > really debunked anything but instead just reinforced their own > beliefs in Vedic Creation Pseudo-science. One of your tactics, Vaj, is to make your posts so unfocused it's like debating with Jell-o. Here you're responding to something I never said. What I *did* say (quoted at the top) was that on alt.m.t we had extensively discussed the allegations about TM's research having been "unduly influenced, biased and falsified for profit and access to the teacher." That was in response to your false claim that it had been discussed only here on FFL. In other words I give most of those > arguing there about as much credence as I do a Fundamentalist > Christian arguing about Creation Science. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 3:12 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock wrote: > >> > >> > >> I beg your pardon. I don't get it. > >> > >> What I meant was did Dr. Domash was the first to put forward the > >> Unified field > > theory of consciousness or was it Dr. Hagelin's brain-wave.?? > > > > Domash, IIRC, suggested that the Maharishi Effect might have an N-squared > > version, but > > he didn't buy into MMY's ideas about Quantum Mechanics. > > Sure he did. He was MMY's spokesman for those ideas for years. > OK, my bad then. But, as you say, the unified field/superstring thing wasn't really much of anything during that time. In fact, Hagelin's work with Flipped SU(5) was one of the most important things that gave it respectability though thats not how its recorded in the mainstream history of Physics. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
On May 21, 2006, at 6:20 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: > But in what I observed, he hardly "came to MIU in the first place > because his expert view was that consciousness *was* the unified > field." Thats a rewriting of history IMO. Indeed. And a typical of the lies Judy casually tries to path as truth. If you wanna argue all day with someone like a Jehovah's Witness you accidentally invited in your home, it may be your cup of tea. But as with most fundies, It's often best to just sit back and smile and enjoy a laugh. Judy makes me smile a lot. :-) Too bad there isn't a market for TM standup comedy...maybe she could open for Curtis. Curtis...? ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/21/06 2:43 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > I thought, It's the TM-org who dumped Rick Archer..?? > > > > > > > > Perhaps Archer can clarify.?? > > > My dome badge was revoked because of my involvement with Amma. > > You mean, like, you were practicing HER meditation technique instead of MMY's? Even if you were still practicing TM during your time in the dome, how could anyone expect the TMO to trust you to practice the inferior (in your eyes) Maharishi-brand meditation in the domes and the superior (in your eyes) Amma meditation everywhere else. Once you made the choice to go with Amma, it is inevitable by the logic of the ME and the purpose of the Domes that your dome-badge would be revoked because of your "involvement with Amma." Even if you were still only practicing MMY's TM and not some new Amma meditation, the TMO would rightfully yank your badge because THEY couldn't be sure what you were doing. In fact, had they NOT done this, they would have revealed themselves to be hypocrital and only interested in your money (as my son just pointed out) rather than the success of the ongoing ME dome project. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On May 21, 2006, at 4:12 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > > Domash, IIRC, ... but > > > he didn't buy into MMY's ideas about Quantum Mechanics. That sounds quite funny, "MMY's ideas about Quantum Mechanics". MMY was was not talking in detail about QM, he left that to Domash -- and in that era also to a lesser degree Alex Hankey and ??? whats-his-name. Larry and co. developed a lot of analogies and paralells to SCI/Consciousness from QM, releativity and other aspects of modern physics. Larry certainly "bought" into the analogies and parallels -- he created them I observed that where there was as gentle rift was M's growing series of proclamations, 1974-76+, that the infinite potential of the quantum field aka, later, the Vacuum State, was not just a good analogy and parlallel to Consciousness, it WAS Consciousness. He held that the QM equations were describing Consciousness itself. Thats the idea Larry originally had some difficulty publically supporting. Though he moved closer to it via investigating and providing supporting materials, I am not clear that he ever fully subscribed to it. And if he did, I would not think that he still does. > > Neither did Hagelin till he was told "make it work, or you're out of here". By tweaking string theroy to make it more vedic, as brought up in an adjacent post, does not indicate that John believed then that the Unified Field IS Consciousness. Though curently he appears to, at last publically, make that case or one close to it. Anyone closely parsed his language for wiggle room? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > Actually, I was using a bit of poetic license. I had already > > indicated that I consider the guy a dear friend, so obviously > > I don't really think he's a bug-eyed cult zombie. > > You've gotta watch that poetic license stuff, Rick. > The real bug-eyed cult zombies are pretty humorless, > and tend to get uppity. To prove it, here's some > video of how one person doing research on TM reacts > when the validity of his findings are challenged: > > http://tinyurl.com/k89na > that's an obvious fake. David Orme-Johnson never wore that kind of clothing... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > However eventually this was supplanted with the idea that > > > consciousness *was* the unified field--and thus the infamous > > > Hagelin article where he gave up his own expert view (that > > > consciousness was *not* the unified field) > > > > Documentation, please, that this was indeed his view. > > > > Remember that he came to MIU in the first place because > > his expert view was that consciousness *was* the unified > > field. > > Thats not a particularly good description of what I observed. Your history of Domash is interesting, but the above isn't a description of Domash; it's a description of John Hagelin. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Interesting 'cause it may give an essential insight into how > TM research is fudged: make it work or else you're out of here. The > Furher Mahesh effect. > > Knowing this, how could anyone take TM research seriously?" > > Word! > > "The Furher Mahesh effect." > > Very funny! > > > > Except of course, its not what really happened. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Domash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 21, 2006, at 9:04 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > But how did they come up with this figure Square root of > > > > 1%...?? > > > > > > It's called constructive interference. > > > > As I recall, it was by analogy to laser light, wasn't it? > > > Yes. When "incoherent" light waves make the "jump" to laser light, it > only requires around 1% to be "in phase" to make the jump to > "coherent", laser light. > that's the initial "maharishi effect" where 1% of the population becoming more coherent due to TM practice can have an effect on the rest of the population. The Extended Maharishi Effect [theoretically] involves an N-squared phenomenon due to constructive interference. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] physics and the transcendent
Some of the early quantum pioneers considered the relationship between pure Consciousness and phenomena, concluding that the Transcendent in the context of Brahman "points" to analogous concepts in physics; but contrary to what MMY would have people believe, there is no physics of his "Unified Field". The same term should not be conflated with Einstein's lifelong quest to unify the fundamental forces of nature. In terms of that quest, the "unification" applies to something relative, not transcendental. Nobel Prize winning physicist, Erwin Schrodinger says the following that relates directly to Berkeley's philosophy: "In all the world, there is no kind of framework within which we can find consciousness in the plural; this is simply something we construct because of the spatio-temporal plurality of individuals, but it is a false construction. Because of it, all philosophy succumbs again and again to the hopeless conflict between the theoretically unavoidable acceptance of Berkeleian idealism and its complete uselessness for understanding the real world. The only solution to this conflict, in so far as any is available to us at all, lies in the ancient wisdom of the Upanishads." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
