[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayurveda Kerala
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/08/13/travel/13indiaa.html Many Indians combine allopathic medicine and ayurveda, going to an English doctor for serious illnesses and to an ayurvedic practitioner for arthritis, hypertension and other chronic conditions. Best of both worlds...free choice...sounds pretty good to me. The Austrian School of Economics looks upon our current crisis in health care in America as largely the fault of the monopoly/cartel caused by the AMA; that is, that we don't have a level playing field for all kinds of health care, including alternative medicines, etc., and also that the AMA creates a limited supply of doctors through their policies and the laws passed by Congress that gives the AMA the authority that they now enjoy. So, as with almost all things, the solution to our health care crisis is MORE free market, LESS government intervention, and the freedom to choose alternative health care and medicines that provide the same tax benefits and government support that the current AMA-approved practises and medicines enjoy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the need???
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mathatbrahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---TM in itself can make people passive, ultimately leading to the Bliss-Ninny state; even more dangerous when one's satellite dish is constantly on the Maharishi channel. Once, a non-meditating young fellow from Brit posted a complaint in which he says his Dad no longer works, but spends all of his time meditating and watching the MMY channel. For those of you who practice TM but don't do the Siddhis, I recommend the Gayatri mantra. Guy? Is that Gene's brother? This helps integrate Bliss with outer activity, so that getting into work and doing constructive things becomes more natural than sitting around. MMY doesn't like japa mantra even though it's a traditional practice in the Shankaracharya Tradition. Start with one round a day. Do this for 30 days and record your results. You will have overall, a more productive life. I can't seem to come up with a rational reason to spend a great portion of my life in meditation. What gets accomplished? What gets created? I'm not trying to be argumentative here or confrontational, I am just trying to understand . My X GF spends two hours a day in meditation and has for 25 years. Has no will to work and has made this one thing the center point in her life. She is what she calls a Sidhi. She says she transcends and connects to the universal consciousness. Cool but why the need to do this twice a day for your life. What's the point. Clearly given the recognition of a higher existance (through the acceptance of a higher universal consciounes) is it not reasonable to assume that one day we will all leave the physical plane a transcend to this higher place as part of the souls natural evolution? So why spend the time we have been given here in a physical form and on a physical plane trying to get back to the other side each and everydayWhen its time to go home we'll all get to go home. It seems to me like a person who goes away on a vacation to a far off exotic land only to spend every day, twice a day calling home to see how things are back there. Me I am here now in the present and on this plane of existance to experience what is here in all its positive and negative aspects. Why else would I be here if it wasn't to experience what is here on this level of existance. I am wrong To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip What Shemp doesn't get is that this has nothing to do with moral/ethical issues, _per se_, but with the serious consequences of a sex-biased culture acting as-a-whole to skew the birth rate in favor of one sex over the other. Of course I get that...it would be a disaster...but, sorry, those are the consequences of supporting abortion. And, yes, you necessarily get one with the other. Um, no, wrong. What you get without abortion is an even worse disaster. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Judy, are you advocating banning ultrasound? No, I'm advocating not letting women use it to selectively abort females (in other words, I'm advocating not telling them what the ultrasound reveals about the sex of the fetus). ...and out of every 100 women who want to know the sex of their child, how many of those do you think your proposed law will prevent from doing this? I believe I answered this already, Shemp. Are you having memory problems? That doesn't change your point, just wanted to make sure mine was clear. Ultrasound is an important tool for other reasons. Because if so, then you've got a whole new set of problems, which is also happening in China for those women who didn't find out the sex of their child, (or couldn't get an abortion) and then simply abandon the kids in droves--to the tune of over a million a year. Abandon the female kids, I assume you mean, right? Like I said, it's a complex problem. This just adds another layer of complexity. I don't think the solution is to continue to allow women to abort females selectively, do you? Do you have any ideas for a better solution? This is the least-bad one I've heard (Lawson suggested it initially), given the overall situation in China. Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 10:42 AM, authfriend wrote: It would certainly *reduce* it. Abortions can be done in back alleys with coathangers by unlicensed practitioners. You can't do an ultrasound without an office, an expensive piece of equipment, and someone trained to run the equipment and interpret the results. Of course, you can't stop practitioners from whispering in their patients' ears. But if you find that certain practitioners are aborting a high percentage of female fetuses after administering an ultrasound--or even if you found a high percentage of pregnant women who did not carry the child to term after an ultrasound (i.e., they went to a back- alley abortionist)--you could impose sanctions on the ultrasound practitioners. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi Maheshi Yogi's life work; Has culminated in this theory, It's called 'The Maharishi Effect'. It says; That TM meditators, have an effect; When in transendental deep meditation- That effects the rest of the population; (Yes, I know this sounds absurd) But to continue... Of bringing harmony to chaos. Based on Quantum Mechanics on Physics; It is the 'Micro-Effect' on the 'Macro-Effect', In other words, as on becomes integrated in their consciousness; As one experiences Transcendental Consciousness; This has the effect of producing a 'Micro-Experience'; Which somehow effect the whole or 'Macro-Experience'. So, if one person in New York City, is 'Transcending' At Times Square, for example, where there is tremendous, 'Controlled Chaos', even in that environment, produces: A 'Macro-Effect' on all of human consciousness, everywhere. It's like one individual, reflecting the Transcendent; Enlivens the Transcendent, everywhere... It is the Micro merging into Macro. Quantum mechanics explains it better. But nonetheless, it would be 'Intuitively Correct' To believe, that this ultimate experience of the Yogis, Saints, Writers, and philosophers of the past; Can now be experiences so easily As the ground has been nurtured by Maharishi; For the ultimate human experience; as defined by Jesus; 'That the Kingdom of Heaven is Within.' God Bless, and continued 'Sat Chit Ananda' Or: Absolute Bliss Consciousness(The direct experience of the Transcendent). 'Sat Cit Anada, forever,and ever, Amen. Peace on Earth. R.G. Seattle, Washington USA What Dear Robert No dropping Of Nuclear Bombs On Iranians this weekend? Just Peace on Earth? What's gotten into you? Have you been into The Ben and Jerry's Peace Pops Again? - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip What Shemp doesn't get is that this has nothing to do with moral/ethical issues, _per se_, but with the serious consequences of a sex-biased culture acting as-a-whole to skew the birth rate in favor of one sex over the other. Of course I get that...it would be a disaster...but, sorry, those are the consequences of supporting abortion. And, yes, you necessarily get one with the other. Um, no, wrong. What you get without abortion is an even worse disaster. Oh, I see. Without abortion, we get a greater disaster because more human lives are created with a pretty much equal number of men and women being born versus the situation we'd get with abortion along with no law banning sex-screening which would result in LESS human lives created with less females than males being born. Wonderful logic there, Stein. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Judy, are you advocating banning ultrasound? No, I'm advocating not letting women use it to selectively abort females (in other words, I'm advocating not telling them what the ultrasound reveals about the sex of the fetus). ...and out of every 100 women who want to know the sex of their child, how many of those do you think your proposed law will prevent from doing this? I believe I answered this already, Shemp. Are you having memory problems? She does this every time. Whenever she doesn't want to answer a question or has her back up against the wall she either says she already answered the question or poses a question back at you and demands that you answer that question first before she answers your question. That doesn't change your point, just wanted to make sure mine was clear. Ultrasound is an important tool for other reasons. Because if so, then you've got a whole new set of problems, which is also happening in China for those women who didn't find out the sex of their child, (or couldn't get an abortion) and then simply abandon the kids in droves--to the tune of over a million a year. Abandon the female kids, I assume you mean, right? Like I said, it's a complex problem. This just adds another layer of complexity. I don't think the solution is to continue to allow women to abort females selectively, do you? Do you have any ideas for a better solution? This is the least-bad one I've heard (Lawson suggested it initially), given the overall situation in China. Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 10:42 AM, authfriend wrote: It would certainly *reduce* it. Abortions can be done in back alleys with coathangers by unlicensed practitioners. You can't do an ultrasound without an office, an expensive piece of equipment, and someone trained to run the equipment and interpret the results. Of course, you can't stop practitioners from whispering in their patients' ears. But if you find that certain practitioners are aborting a high percentage of female fetuses after administering an ultrasound--or even if you found a high percentage of pregnant women who did not carry the child to term after an ultrasound (i.e., they went to a back- alley abortionist)--you could impose sanctions on the ultrasound practitioners. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Judy, are you advocating banning ultrasound? No, I'm advocating not letting women use it to selectively abort females (in other words, I'm advocating not telling them what the ultrasound reveals about the sex of the fetus). ...and out of every 100 women who want to know the sex of their child, how many of those do you think your proposed law will prevent from doing this? I believe I answered this already, Shemp. Are you having memory problems? She does this every time. Whenever she doesn't want to answer a question or has her back up against the wall she either says she already answered the question or poses a question back at you and demands that you answer that question first before she answers your question. No, Shemp, those are lies. That's *your* tactic when your back's up against the wall. That doesn't change your point, just wanted to make sure mine was clear. Ultrasound is an important tool for other reasons. Because if so, then you've got a whole new set of problems, which is also happening in China for those women who didn't find out the sex of their child, (or couldn't get an abortion) and then simply abandon the kids in droves--to the tune of over a million a year. Abandon the female kids, I assume you mean, right? Like I said, it's a complex problem. This just adds another layer of complexity. I don't think the solution is to continue to allow women to abort females selectively, do you? Do you have any ideas for a better solution? This is the least-bad one I've heard (Lawson suggested it initially), given the overall situation in China. Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 10:42 AM, authfriend wrote: It would certainly *reduce* it. Abortions can be done in back alleys with coathangers by unlicensed practitioners. You can't do an ultrasound without an office, an expensive piece of equipment, and someone trained to run the equipment and interpret the results. Of course, you can't stop practitioners from whispering in their patients' ears. But if you find that certain practitioners are aborting a high percentage of female fetuses after administering an ultrasound--or even if you found a high percentage of pregnant women who did not carry the child to term after an ultrasound (i.e., they went to a back- alley abortionist)--you could impose sanctions on the ultrasound practitioners. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] What Shemp doesn't get is that this has nothing to do with moral/ethical issues, _per se_, but with the serious consequences of a sex-biased culture acting as-a-whole to skew the birth rate in favor of one sex over the other. Of course I get that...it would be a disaster...but, sorry, those are the consequences of supporting abortion. And, yes, you necessarily get one with the other. Can't get around that no matter how hard you try. So every country on earth is facing the same skewed gender issue that China is, and it's all because of abortions? While there would be SOME sociietal problems if there were an anti-male bias in China or India, the consequences will be disasterous because it is an anti-female bias. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip What Shemp doesn't get is that this has nothing to do with moral/ethical issues, _per se_, but with the serious consequences of a sex-biased culture acting as-a-whole to skew the birth rate in favor of one sex over the other. Of course I get that...it would be a disaster...but, sorry, those are the consequences of supporting abortion. And, yes, you necessarily get one with the other. Um, no, wrong. What you get without abortion is an even worse disaster. Oh, I see. Without abortion, we get a greater disaster because more human lives are created with a pretty much equal number of men and women being born versus the situation we'd get with abortion along with no law banning sex-screening which would result in LESS human lives created with less females than males being born. Wonderful logic there, Stein. No, just very elementary logic, which you've completely missed, as usual. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- Rick Archer groups@ wrote: Another way of putting it would be that he does have a handle on Absolute Truth, but that that doesn¹t qualify him as an authority on all matters of relative truth. And this is when the cult-like quality enters in the TMO. People handover their authority over their own experience to another (MMY/TMO) under the erroneous assumption that there is a perfect or objectively correct way to live their life. This is an infantile wish of the perfect parent being projected and acted out. The TMO, at least in my experience in the USA, strongly encourages this, but ironically MMY doesn't engage in this on a one-to-one level. When people ask MMY what they should do in a particular situation many times he'll ask what they think they should do and then he'll say, Do that. This lack of authority over ones own life is a deep, deep attachment that so many hardcore Ru's have. I see MMY as doing his best to break it with all the crazy nonesese over the last 20 years. ...but you do get alot of free labor for your organisation by encouraging the nonsense. And as cynical as it may sound, I really believe that is one of the motivations for the TMO to encourage the cultism around it. Because let's face it: it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the lifestyles of the people in the TMO and the way the TMO conducts its affairs is in direct contradiction to the way the TM Program is taught. Lifestyles of SOME of the people, true. The way the TMO conducts SOME of its affairs, also true. Don't maket he mistake of painting everyone with the same brush... Okay. Yes, there are exceptions to the rule. For every 100 TM TBers in and around Vladivostok or whatever the cult town in Holland is called where everyone is esconced, there is probably 1 person who has his head set straight on his shoulders. Do you think there's more than that in the average organization of any size? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Shemp: So, yeah, I agree with many of your complaints about the TMO and MMY but in the interests of balance and fairness, you willingly went into that lifestyle that was the opposite of the TM Program. You can't now turn around and claim shock and awe for all the horrible things that the Movement turned out to be. Me: I don't think MMY's instructions to his teachers and fulltime people can be characterized as the opposite of the TM program just because it is initially presented in another manor meant to be effective marketing to the general public. The first presentation of TM is not the only official way it is presented depending on what level of the organization you are on. For example, I was tested on TTC on my feelings as I sang the puja. Quizzed intensely about what feelings I had as I sang certain words in Sanskrit. This is obviously a long way from the innocent practice of TM as presented in the intro lecture, but it was every bit as legitimate a part of MMY's program. As you got closer and closer to MMY's inner circle the beliefs were presented as being purer without the need to interface with a skeptical public with marketing spin. The inner circle around MMY ,with his absolute unquestioned authority, was set up exactly as he wished. I think you are making an artificial distinction between MMY and TMO which he micromanages into what he desires, including the beliefs of his closest members. ...and that's probably the #1 reason why his organisation is such a failure. That's why I subscribe to Bob Brigante's prescription for many of the ills of the TMO: outside professionals should be hired to do things such as marketing. I think it should be extended to all parts of his operations. A good part of the TMO is busy-work, IMHO. Chopra and Ayurveda. Hagelin and the NLP. Bevan and, well, everything he does... And what, pray tell, is busy-work. Is it like create-work programs like Hoover Dam that Roosevelt commissioned in the Great Depression? It's telling a disciple to run around in circles all day delivering a note that says to keep him running in circles. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip What Shemp doesn't get is that this has nothing to do with moral/ethical issues, _per se_, but with the serious consequences of a sex-biased culture acting as-a-whole to skew the birth rate in favor of one sex over the other. Of course I get that...it would be a disaster...but, sorry, those are the consequences of supporting abortion. And, yes, you necessarily get one with the other. Um, no, wrong. What you get without abortion is an even worse disaster. Oh, I see. Without abortion, we get a greater disaster because more human lives are created with a pretty much equal number of men and women being born versus the situation we'd get with abortion along with no law banning sex-screening which would result in LESS human lives created with less females than males being born. Wonderful logic there, Stein. No, just very elementary logic, which you've completely missed, as usual. Yeah, I missed it because you say above it would be a worse disaster without abortion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Judy, are you advocating banning ultrasound? No, I'm advocating not letting women use it to selectively abort females (in other words, I'm advocating not telling them what the ultrasound reveals about the sex of the fetus). ...and out of every 100 women who want to know the sex of their child, how many of those do you think your proposed law will prevent from doing this? I believe I answered this already, Shemp. Are you having memory problems? She does this every time. Whenever she doesn't want to answer a question or has her back up against the wall she either says she already answered the question or poses a question back at you and demands that you answer that question first before she answers your question. No, Shemp, those are lies. That's *your* tactic when your back's up against the wall. ...then prove me wrong. Answer my ...out of 100 women...question above. That doesn't change your point, just wanted to make sure mine was clear. Ultrasound is an important tool for other reasons. Because if so, then you've got a whole new set of problems, which is also happening in China for those women who didn't find out the sex of their child, (or couldn't get an abortion) and then simply abandon the kids in droves--to the tune of over a million a year. Abandon the female kids, I assume you mean, right? Like I said, it's a complex problem. This just adds another layer of complexity. I don't think the solution is to continue to allow women to abort females selectively, do you? Do you have any ideas for a better solution? This is the least-bad one I've heard (Lawson suggested it initially), given the overall situation in China. Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 10:42 AM, authfriend wrote: It would certainly *reduce* it. Abortions can be done in back alleys with coathangers by unlicensed practitioners. You can't do an ultrasound without an office, an expensive piece of equipment, and someone trained to run the equipment and interpret the results. Of course, you can't stop practitioners from whispering in their patients' ears. But if you find that certain practitioners are aborting a high percentage of female fetuses after administering an ultrasound--or even if you found a high percentage of pregnant women who did not carry the child to term after an ultrasound (i.e., they went to a back- alley abortionist)--you could impose sanctions on the ultrasound practitioners. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Who are you?'
Who are you? Please tell me who you are and what you want. And if you think those are simple questions, keep in mind that most people live their entire lives without arriving at an answer. -- Gary Zukav How deeply can you answer this question? Please realize that you are the only one who can answer it. No one else can tell you who you are. You must discover this for yourself. And the challenge of knowing ourselves is no easy task. We hope this question excites rather than intimidates you. Theres so much more to you than you know at present! Isnt this intriguing? Perhaps its time to go exploring . Mysterious and intimidating to contemplate, the human brain is the most complex thing there is and the most difficult task it can undertake is to understand itself. -- David Noonan I dont think God cares where we were graduated or what we did for a living. God wants to know who we are. Discovering this is the work of the soul it is our true lifes work. -- Bernie Siegel Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Shemp: So, yeah, I agree with many of your complaints about the TMO and MMY but in the interests of balance and fairness, you willingly went into that lifestyle that was the opposite of the TM Program. You can't now turn around and claim shock and awe for all the horrible things that the Movement turned out to be. Me: I don't think MMY's instructions to his teachers and fulltime people can be characterized as the opposite of the TM program just because it is initially presented in another manor meant to be effective marketing to the general public. The first presentation of TM is not the only official way it is presented depending on what level of the organization you are on. For example, I was tested on TTC on my feelings as I sang the puja. Quizzed intensely about what feelings I had as I sang certain words in Sanskrit. This is obviously a long way from the innocent practice of TM as presented in the intro lecture, but it was every bit as legitimate a part of MMY's program. As you got closer and closer to MMY's inner circle the beliefs were presented as being purer without the need to interface with a skeptical public with marketing spin. The inner circle around MMY ,with his absolute unquestioned authority, was set up exactly as he wished. I think you are making an artificial distinction between MMY and TMO which he micromanages into what he desires, including the beliefs of his closest members. ...and that's probably the #1 reason why his organisation is such a failure. That's why I subscribe to Bob Brigante's prescription for many of the ills of the TMO: outside professionals should be hired to do things such as marketing. I think it should be extended to all parts of his operations. A good part of the TMO is busy-work, IMHO. Chopra and Ayurveda. Hagelin and the NLP. Bevan and, well, everything he does... And what, pray tell, is busy-work. Is it like create-work programs like Hoover Dam that Roosevelt commissioned in the Great Depression? It's telling a disciple to run around in circles all day delivering a note that says to keep him running in circles. Just as I thought: much like Roosevelt's make-work programs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- Rick Archer groups@ wrote: Another way of putting it would be that he does have a handle on Absolute Truth, but that that doesn¹t qualify him as an authority on all matters of relative truth. And this is when the cult-like quality enters in the TMO. People handover their authority over their own experience to another (MMY/TMO) under the erroneous assumption that there is a perfect or objectively correct way to live their life. This is an infantile wish of the perfect parent being projected and acted out. The TMO, at least in my experience in the USA, strongly encourages this, but ironically MMY doesn't engage in this on a one-to-one level. When people ask MMY what they should do in a particular situation many times he'll ask what they think they should do and then he'll say, Do that. This lack of authority over ones own life is a deep, deep attachment that so many hardcore Ru's have. I see MMY as doing his best to break it with all the crazy nonesese over the last 20 years. ...but you do get alot of free labor for your organisation by encouraging the nonsense. And as cynical as it may sound, I really believe that is one of the motivations for the TMO to encourage the cultism around it. Because let's face it: it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the lifestyles of the people in the TMO and the way the TMO conducts its affairs is in direct contradiction to the way the TM Program is taught. Lifestyles of SOME of the people, true. The way the TMO conducts SOME of its affairs, also true. Don't maket he mistake of painting everyone with the same brush... Okay. Yes, there are exceptions to the rule. For every 100 TM TBers in and around Vladivostok or whatever the cult town in Holland is called where everyone is esconced, there is probably 1 person who has his head set straight on his shoulders. Do you think there's more than that in the average organization of any size? Most certainly. the average organisation would have more than 1 in 100 that are rationale, reasonable people... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi Maheshi Yogi's life work; Has culminated in this theory, It's called 'The Maharishi Effect'. It says; That TM meditators, have an effect; When in transendental deep meditation- That effects the rest of the population; (Yes, I know this sounds absurd) Robert, interesting theories and given that these theories are the culmination of MMY's life work. Is it safe to say Fairfield itself being the home of the TM movement, the univeristy and so many Tm meditators is a community in a state of bliss. Does Fairfield enjoy a 0% crime rate. 0 % domestic disputes and a 0% incidence of the various other types of social problems that plague other communities with a fraction of the population of meditators. Yes Robert to use your own words this does sound absurd. If MMY can bring peace to a community with (I think I saw a claim of 1% of the population meditating). Then given Fairfields pop. of a mere 10,000 people there must be zero reportable incidences in your community with such a large population of TM meditators,,,how could it possibly be anything but,,,it is afterall a culmination of MMY's life work. Does Fairfield have a zero percent crime rate,,,oh hell lets just say a zero percent VIOLENT crime rate??? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Maharishi Maheshi Yogi's life work; Has culminated in this theory, It's called 'The Maharishi Effect'. It says; That TM meditators, have an effect; When in transendental deep meditation- That effects the rest of the population; (Yes, I know this sounds absurd) Robert, interesting theories and given that these theories are the culmination of MMY's life work. Is it safe to say Fairfield itself being the home of the TM movement, the univeristy and so many Tm meditators is a community in a state of bliss. Does Fairfield enjoy a 0% crime rate. 0 % domestic disputes and a 0% incidence of the various other types of social problems that plague other communities with a fraction of the population of meditators. Yes Robert to use your own words this does sound absurd. If MMY can bring peace to a community with (I think I saw a claim of 1% of the population meditating). Then given Fairfields pop. of a mere 10,000 people there must be zero reportable incidences in your community with such a large population of TM meditators,,,how could it possibly be anything but,,,it is afterall a culmination of MMY's life work. Does Fairfield have a zero percent crime rate,,,oh hell lets just say a zero percent VIOLENT crime rate??? Whether or not the Maharishi Effect exists is an interesting question. Another interesting question is where you get the idea you express above? http://www.mum.edu/library/abstracts/kleinschnitz The Maharishi Effect is the phenomenon of improved societal trends resulting from the practice of the Transcendental Meditation program or group practice of the TM-Sidhi program by a small fraction of a population. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Dance Through the Drama'
Planet VisionsMark KruegerAugust 11, 2006Be and Let BePeople's bodies have been doing bizarre things for weeks now. We'reseeing the macro/microcosm effects. There are deep disturbances in theplanet body, the body politic and the body personal. It very likelywill get stranger and stranger. Are you feeling crazy yet? Overwhelmis increasing for folks. It has less to do with what is going on andmore to do with infant imprints of powerlessness. Nevertheless, itseems oh so real. Please take care of your self. Gentle is as gentle does.The Sun is opposing Neptune and Mars is opposing Uranus. It can behard to find the energy and motivation to do anything or particularthings. You certainly can feel as though the whole world opposes you.You are likely to be feeling much frustration in general and to bespecifically angry. Express but be aware of others reactivity. Fightand flight are barely under the surface and can explode at any timewith any variety of situations. Triggers may be negligible andnonsensical. Let your frustrations out. Don't make them real. This isdifficult to do in modern society. The stressors build and the onlyrelief comes from conditioned consumerism which in turn builds morestressors; eatfat, spenddebt, giveexhaustion. I do not see panaceasworking anymore. Simple change is not working to cut through theturbulence and angst. You can go with higher teachings and techniquesbut it leads to more of the overwhelm.Just be. Claim your own being as who you are. Clear youridentification in the mind, higher and lower. Be and let be.Dance through the drama,Mark Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
His life's work .. ? In the early 1980s, after Maharishi had given TM and TM-Sidhi to the world, and laid out the array of Vedic stuff thatis now implemented, someone gasped in wonder and asked him that surely this is now all it - the totality of knowledge, Vedic Wisdom. Maharishi's answer? This is 1% --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Maharishi Maheshi Yogi's life work; Has culminated in this theory, It's called 'The Maharishi Effect'. It says; That TM meditators, have an effect; When in transendental deep meditation- That effects the rest of the population; (Yes, I know this sounds absurd) Robert, interesting theories and given that these theories are the culmination of MMY's life work. Is it safe to say Fairfield itself being the home of the TM movement, the univeristy and so many Tm meditators is a community in a state of bliss. Does Fairfield enjoy a 0% crime rate. 0 % domestic disputes and a 0% incidence of the various other types of social problems that plague other communities with a fraction of the population of meditators. Yes Robert to use your own words this does sound absurd. If MMY can bring peace to a community with (I think I saw a claim of 1% of the population meditating). Then given Fairfields pop. of a mere 10,000 people there must be zero reportable incidences in your community with such a large population of TM meditators,,,how could it possibly be anything but,,,it is afterall a culmination of MMY's life work. Does Fairfield have a zero percent crime rate,,,oh hell lets just say a zero percent VIOLENT crime rate??? Whether or not the Maharishi Effect exists is an interesting question. Another interesting question is where you get the idea you express above? http://www.mum.edu/library/abstracts/kleinschnitz The Maharishi Effect is the phenomenon of improved societal trends resulting from the practice of the Transcendental Meditation program or group practice of the TM-Sidhi program by a small fraction of a population. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's life work; Has culminated in this theory, It's called 'The Maharishi Effect'. It says; That TM mediators', have an effect; When in transcendental deep meditation- That affects the rest of the population; (Yes, I know this sounds absurd) (Snip) But, from my experience is true; it's true, that when I am in a state of pure consciousness established, it effects the whole environment it's as if everyone can 'feel' it. Eckart Tolle in his writings has even said, that the trees, and other forms of life, can feel it, your pure consciousness; Because he says, all of God's creations just want to be 'appreciated'; So, stopping to smell the roses, is more than a 'one sided event' The rose gets more out of it then do you. Eckart even goes as far as to say that 'inanimate articles, also have consciousness, and are effect in some way; I guess people do get emotionally involve with sentimental items. Who knows? I just think, staying in the Simplest State of Awareness= While do Sanyama on 'Vibration of Humanity', can calm and release group and cultural karma, just feel the 'stress' in the world, and heal it on the level of pure healing=Samadhi, Pure-Consciousness, Merge with Para-Atman, feel 'Holy Spirit', allow all colors of healing to pour forth in the subtle strata of healing, in the electrical fields, and magnetic fields... Colors and hues of healing greens, purples, blues, golden and silver. Anything that streams from inside the 'simplest state of awareness' That falls like a waterfalls, to fill in all the vacuums, that this confused, stressed world needs healing now. Feel your mind as silent as it can be; Let the energy of your soul; Connect up in oneness, to all other hearts in Peace; And then you will feel the infinite power of one in Samadhi is a powerful thing; It's the gift that Guru Dev, gave to the world. And the other entire one's throughout the ages that received it; So, if just a few of us; Especially the kids, that are so whacked on technology; A little/bitsy, time, a few seconds even: Of attention is placed there; A slight break, from the I-pod, or whatever, would be worth it, for all of us R.G. Seattle, Washington, USA. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Maharishi Maheshi Yogi's life work; Has culminated in this theory, It's called 'The Maharishi Effect'. It says; That TM meditators, have an effect; When in transendental deep meditation- That effects the rest of the population; (Yes, I know this sounds absurd) But to continue... Of bringing harmony to chaos. Based on Quantum Mechanics on Physics; It is the 'Micro-Effect' on the 'Macro-Effect', In other words, as on becomes integrated in their consciousness; As one experiences Transcendental Consciousness; This has the effect of producing a 'Micro-Experience'; Which somehow effect the whole or 'Macro-Experience'. So, if one person in New York City, is 'Transcending' At Times Square, for example, where there is tremendous, 'Controlled Chaos', even in that environment, produces: A 'Macro-Effect' on all of human consciousness, everywhere. It's like one individual, reflecting the Transcendent; Enlivens the Transcendent, everywhere... It is the Micro merging into Macro. Quantum mechanics explains it better. But nonetheless, it would be 'Intuitively Correct' To believe, that this ultimate experience of the Yogis, Saints, Writers, and philosophers of the past; Can now be experiences so easily As the ground has been nurtured by Maharishi; For the ultimate human experience; as defined by Jesus; 'That the Kingdom of Heaven is Within.' God Bless, and continued 'Sat Chit Ananda' Or: Absolute Bliss Consciousness(The direct experience of the Transcendent). 'Sat Cit Anada, forever,and ever, Amen. Peace on Earth. R.G. Seattle, Washington USA What Dear Robert No dropping Of Nuclear Bombs On Iranians this weekend? Just Peace on Earth? What's gotten into you? Have you been into The Ben and Jerry's Peace Pops Again? No, sometimes I need to question, my own earlier conclusions, if we are to grow, we need to sometimes voice an opinion out of fear of anger, and then use the group, for feed-back, so growth can be accomplished if you're falling back into an old position. So, as far as my being obsessed with our fine nuclear submarines, Here out on the Puget Sound, I was just trying to inform also; Of the reality of these war machines. Two types, as far as I know of: One the 'Trident', which is just a missile launching platform; And the other is smaller sub, which is more of an attack sub. I guess all weapons suck really, when you think about it. I don't like guns myself. But there is an addictive quality to this kind of power too; With all of the trillions spent on our weapons systems; As well as our right to bear arms. So, having been stirred up, now, I've had a chance to settle, From the excursion to Seattle, And now hopefully we will all be able to Find a good way to peace, love, and rock and roll, someday, again... Dancing the night away, some day again.. R.G. - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: R.G. Seattle, Washington, USA. What kind of vibes does one get at the tomb of Jimi Hendrix? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: R.G. Seattle, Washington, USA. What kind of vibes does one get at the tomb of Jimi Hendrix? Like purple haze vibes? No really... I'm not sure where Jimi Hendrix, is buried; I got to see him twice, one at the 'Electric Factory' In '68, and at RFK stadium in Philly in '69. He would produce, a sort of trance-like effect on the audience; Very sensual, and very effortless, on his part. There is a statue of Jimi across the downtown community college. I think of more of the general feeling in Seattle, for his music. A kind of a pure prana, coming off the oceans and the mountains. A feeling of 'bigness' because of Puget Sound, the ferries ships, and seeing the city from a far. The space needle as being a symbol of the city, to make a statement of height and projection of electric energy. And just the wildness of the State of Washington; Of the town of Kurt Kobain in nearby Aberdeen. And the there side of the spectrum also, There's Hillary Swank, also a rebellious one; Of awesome talent. Bill Gates seems to have made a splash here also.. It's just the way it goes, up in these parts... R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi Maheshi Yogi's life work; Has culminated in this theory, It's called 'The Maharishi Effect'. It says; That TM meditators, have an effect; When in transendental deep meditation- That effects the rest of the population; (Yes, I know this sounds absurd) Robert, interesting theories and given that these theories are the culmination of MMY's life work. Is it safe to say Fairfield itself being the home of the TM movement, the univeristy and so many Tm meditators is a community in a state of bliss. Does Fairfield enjoy a 0% crime rate. 0 % domestic disputes and a 0% incidence of the various other types of social problems that plague other communities with a fraction of the population of meditators. Yes Robert to use your own words this does sound absurd. If MMY can bring peace to a community with (I think I saw a claim of 1% of the population meditating). Then given Fairfields pop. of a mere 10,000 people there must be zero reportable incidences in your community with such a large population of TM meditators,,,how could it possibly be anything but,,,it is afterall a culmination of MMY's life work. Does Fairfield have a zero percent crime rate,,,oh hell lets just say a zero percent VIOLENT crime rate??? The ME is something I'd love to believe in: the field effects of consciousness. However the empirical evidence (regardless of what John H. and Bevan say) show that this effect, if it can be measured at all, is extremely weak. Another rather bizarre phenomenon is that it doesn't appear to work in Fairfield! That in itself is enough to argue that the theory has to be reworked. Metaphoric, post hoc explanations (e.g., the washing machine effect--please!) reveal that the ME as it stands now is just cult science. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 11:22 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us Do you know anything about this ? Or is it simply the words spilled over by your silly ignorance ? Have you lived in the company of a saint, or is your life dominated by foolish company, foolish thoughts and low level of intelligence ? It seems so. When building one of Maharishis suites, we pointed to where the toilet was to be built. Maharishi said: I have no need. He may have said that, because he sometimes does try to give the impression that he is above physical needs, but all his suites over the years have had toilets. He eats food and it comes out the other end, just like the rest of us. I¹ve heard him fart, pee, and while traveling, he had to make bathroom stops, just like the rest of us. His girlfriends said he ejaculates. He¹s had operations on his eyes, prostate, heart and other health problems. He¹s been banged up in car and helicopter accidents, nearly electrocuted by a faulty tape recorder, etc. None of these things are to his detriment. I mention them just to divest Nablus of the fantasy that MMY is not a human being. Never saig he isn't. Actually once asked who he really is he replied; I'm just a ordinary man. Hearing that, Bevan said; well, you just gave us a new definition on what is an ordinary man... Found it quite amusing at the time. :-) What I suggested in this toilet thing is that the physiology of an enlightened person could function differently than in other people. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip What Shemp doesn't get is that this has nothing to do with moral/ethical issues, _per se_, but with the serious consequences of a sex-biased culture acting as-a-whole to skew the birth rate in favor of one sex over the other. Of course I get that...it would be a disaster...but, sorry, those are the consequences of supporting abortion. And, yes, you necessarily get one with the other. Um, no, wrong. What you get without abortion is an even worse disaster. Oh, I see. Without abortion, we get a greater disaster because more human lives are created with a pretty much equal number of men and women being born versus the situation we'd get with abortion along with no law banning sex-screening which would result in LESS human lives created with less females than males being born. Wonderful logic there, Stein. No, just very elementary logic, which you've completely missed, as usual. Yeah, I missed it because you say above it would be a worse disaster without abortion. Right. Which means *your* brand of logic isn't quite doing the trick. Here's a huge hint: One family, one child. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Judy, are you advocating banning ultrasound? No, I'm advocating not letting women use it to selectively abort females (in other words, I'm advocating not telling them what the ultrasound reveals about the sex of the fetus). ...and out of every 100 women who want to know the sex of their child, how many of those do you think your proposed law will prevent from doing this? I believe I answered this already, Shemp. Are you having memory problems? She does this every time. Whenever she doesn't want to answer a question or has her back up against the wall she either says she already answered the question or poses a question back at you and demands that you answer that question first before she answers your question. No, Shemp, those are lies. That's *your* tactic when your back's up against the wall. ...then prove me wrong. How can I prove you wrong? *You* know under what circumstances I ask you a question or tell you I've already answered it. You'd have to *admit* you were lying when you say I do that because I don't want to answer or have my back up against the wall. Answer my ...out of 100 women...question above. That doesn't change your point, just wanted to make sure mine was clear. Ultrasound is an important tool for other reasons. Because if so, then you've got a whole new set of problems, which is also happening in China for those women who didn't find out the sex of their child, (or couldn't get an abortion) and then simply abandon the kids in droves--to the tune of over a million a year. Abandon the female kids, I assume you mean, right? Like I said, it's a complex problem. This just adds another layer of complexity. I don't think the solution is to continue to allow women to abort females selectively, do you? Do you have any ideas for a better solution? This is the least-bad one I've heard (Lawson suggested it initially), given the overall situation in China. Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 10:42 AM, authfriend wrote: It would certainly *reduce* it. Abortions can be done in back alleys with coathangers by unlicensed practitioners. You can't do an ultrasound without an office, an expensive piece of equipment, and someone trained to run the equipment and interpret the results. Of course, you can't stop practitioners from whispering in their patients' ears. But if you find that certain practitioners are aborting a high percentage of female fetuses after administering an ultrasound--or even if you found a high percentage of pregnant women who did not carry the child to term after an ultrasound (i.e., they went to a back- alley abortionist)--you could impose sanctions on the ultrasound practitioners. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...' on 8/13/06 2:40 AM, Bill (William)Simmons at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Fairfield have a zero percent crime rate,,,oh hell lets just say a zero percent VIOLENT crime rate??? There was a murder in the MUM dining hall a couple of years ago. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness on 8/13/06 8:41 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mention them just to divest Nablus of the fantasy that MMY is not a human being. Never saig he isn't. Actually once asked who he really is he replied; I'm just a ordinary man. Hearing that, Bevan said; well, you just gave us a new definition on what is an ordinary man... Found it quite amusing at the time. :-) What I suggested in this toilet thing is that the physiology of an enlightened person could function differently than in other people. Could. But I say if hes gotta eat, hes gotta poop. And he does both, and has always had access to a toilet. So your story only reinforced your reputation as a dreamer. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] 'TM has Small Town Kansas Farm Town on Edge'
Plan for meditation capital has Kansas farm town on edgeBy Michael Riley Denver Post Staff Writer Resident Justin Dube, 26, expects TM followers' move to Smith Center, Kan., to stimulate the economy. "We have a lot of older folks who run this town," Dube says. "They've lived here all their lives and are afraid of change." On the trampoline are Dube's sons, Adam, left, and Tylor. (Post / Daniel Zollinger) Smith Center, Kan. - A couple of minutes with the morning coffee klatch at the Second Cup Cafe is all it takes to get a feel for how these locals see plans by a global meditation empire to build a utopian city just north of town. The white limousine that movement leaders arrived in recently is a running joke. So is the fact that at a get-to-know-you picnic, they served vegetarian food in a Kansas county known for its cattle. "I could eat a dead cow in the street, but I never felt so bad as after eating that (vegetarian) spaghetti," jokes Stan Hooper, 78, who came to Smith County to retire among the small towns and farm silos that dot these gently rolling hills. But it's gallows humor: The Smith County that Hooper knows is about to disappear. This conservative corner of north-central Kansas is set to become a new headquarters for the followers of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, an octogenarian, Indian-born guru with a multi million-dollar meditation empire and a global vision for world peace. Followers of the Maharishi's brand of New Age spirituality, known as transcendental meditation, or TM, bought more than 1,000 acres of prime corn and bean fields north of town this spring. And the steel for the first three buildings of what's described as the capital of the "U.S. Peace Government" - complete with fountains, palatial architecture and a university - began arriving on trucks last month. Attracted to this spot because it sits near the exact geographic center of the lower 48 states, the movement plans a new community that will house 2,000 professional "peacekeepers," a spokesman said. Followers of the Maharishi believe mass meditation at the country's center can bring peace and invincibility to the United States. "The feeling is that unless you reduce the stress in collective consciousness, no (other) effort to create peace is ever going to bear fruit," said Bob Roth, a spokesman for the movement in Washington, D.C. "That will be our contribution to supporting the U.S. government and the governments of the world to make a better world." Around here, those are fighting words. "They say they're not a religion. I say they're a sect of Hinduism," said Greg Hubbard, pastor of Smith Center's Evangelical Free Church. "Bottom line is, I don't buy you can be a Christian and a Hindu at the same time." Hubbard and eight other local ministers recently signed an open letter decrying the proposed new city as a threat to "the eternal souls of people." A large Christian crusade spurred by the controversy is scheduled in Smith Center this month. Meanwhile, the county's three commissioners recently passed a moratorium on land-use changes, though even the county attorney, Allen Shelton, said he believes it comes too late to stop the project. A group called the Smith County Alliance has invited cult experts and former practitioners of TM to town to debunk the movement. "Their way of life and this community's way of life are just about as opposite as you could get," said Randy Archer, mayor of Smith Center. "Is it going to affect us? Yes. Because cultures will clash," he said. "We just hope we can co exist." Outpouring of anger Standing in a soybean field north of Smith Center that four months from now will be a two-story, marble-and-brick "peace palace," Eric Michener, a follower of the Maharishi who is supervising the first phase of construction, said he's puzzled by the anger. He's overheard grocery clerks say the local farmers who sold the land should be shot, and he's had local contractors he works with lose other Jim Gwennap levels a fence post on farmland near Smith Center, Kan. His family homesteaded in the area in the 1800s. "I have to commend my fellow farmers" who won't sell land to the TM group, he says. "Money is not the most important thing to us." (Post / Daniel Zollinger)jobs because of their connection to the project. "It's a shock to think this is a situation where people could feel that strongly," said Michener, 55, a soft-spoken man who meditates six hours a day. Recent medical studies have shown that transcendental meditation can reduce blood pressure and increase life expectancy. In 1993, officials in Washington cooperated with a study that tested the effect of mass meditation on the city's crime rate. First gaining fame as guru to the Beatles in the 1960s, the Maharishi has served as spiritual guide to stars and millionaires. Among an estimated 4 million people who
Re: [FairfieldLife] Was David and Earl Kaplan right about Maharishi? Theft.
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Was David and Earl Kaplan right about Maharishi? Theft. on 8/12/06 9:29 PM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some day it will be real interesting to hear from the people in the President's Office at MUM, the Development Office and trusted people at Purusha who saw what happened and help move the funds around the TMorg shells at that time. You think theyll tell the story? Maybe some will. One long-time, now former, MUM finance office staffer told me that International periodically withdrew large amounts of money, leaving MUM unable to pay bills for months. Where did Kingsley Brooks go? Hes Raja of Boston or some such thing. Or that attorney who is the Movement attorney who used to be the MUM President? Lenny Goldman? Was never MUM president. Living on Long Island attending to aging parents. Not sure of his movement activities. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If MMY can bring peace to a community with (I think I saw a claim of 1% of the population meditating). Then given Fairfields pop. of a mere 10,000 people there must be zero reportable incidences in your community with such a large population of TM meditators,,,how could it possibly be anything but,,, Well, how about because that isn't the claim that's made about the ME? If you're gonna be skeptical about a claim, you really oughta know what it *is* first. You may still be able to knock the claim down once you can state it correctly, but it'll take a wee bit more work. As Lawson has just noted, the claim is for *improvement* in social trends, not *perfection* in social trends. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Who are you?'
The practice is called Atma Vichara. Placing the awareness on the subjective experience of me. This me is called the I-thought: the foundation of ignorance. Initially, the mind can have a hard time holding onto this. All types of vrittis of the chitta come and pull the attention off. One way to redirect the attention back to the I-thought is to ask Who had this thought? or sometimes just Who? Placing the attention on the I thought will eventually bring about its transcendance into Self. In CC when you try to subjectively locate that sense of me it's not there-just infinite emptiness. There is no self-referential me that can be located. Initially a little spooky for the mind! --- Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who are you? Please tell me who you are and what you want. And if you think those are simple questions, keep in mind that most people live their entire lives without arriving at an answer. -- Gary Zukav How deeply can you answer this question? Please realize that you are the only one who can answer it. No one else can tell you who you are. You must discover this for yourself. And the challenge of knowing ourselves is no easy task. We hope this question excites rather than intimidates you. Theres so much more to you than you know at present! Isnt this intriguing? Perhaps its time to go exploring . Mysterious and intimidating to contemplate, the human brain is the most complex thing there is and the most difficult task it can undertake is to understand itself. -- David Noonan I dont think God cares where we were graduated or what we did for a living. God wants to know who we are. Discovering this is the work of the soul it is our true lifes work. -- Bernie Siegel - Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was David and Earl Kaplan right about Maharishi? Theft.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 9:29 PM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some day it will be real interesting to hear from the people in the President's Office at MUM, the Development Office and trusted people at Purusha who saw what happened and help move the funds around the TMorg shells at that time. You think they¹ll tell the story? Maybe some will. One long-time, now former, MUM finance office staffer told me that ³International² periodically withdrew large amounts of money, leaving MUM unable to pay bills for months. Where did Kingsley Brooks go? He¹s Raja of Boston or some such thing. Or that attorney who is the Movement attorney who used to be the MUM President? Lenny Goldman? Was never MUM president. Living on Long Island attending to aging parents. Not sure of his movement activities. It's funny how time will bring almost a casual understatement of what happened to the Kaplans. My memory is that almost $100 million was donated, but the problem came when $20-25 million that was in an account that had multiple signiturs ( 1 movement, 2 Kaplans ??) was used/taken by the movement and not used for it's intended taxes and other expenses for the Blue Mt properties. So the final flimflam was an additional $20+ million missing, not 'being attached' to money after it has been donationed. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
Like many aspects of the TM movement beliefs, the 1% claims are carefully worded so they are un-falsifiable. This is a common trick with groups making absurd claims. Because they are choosing what to pay attention to in huge amounts of sociological data, they can make it seem like either something good is happening or something is purifying in the environment. On a smaller scale this is played out with the claim that TM makes you feel better in every way, unless it doesn't, which is termed unstressing. They are only fooling themselves with this transparent tactic. Fairfield people are nice, ordinary folks with all the same social problems common to their age demographic. Nothing special after decades of devotion to this practice. The same mix of idiots and geniuses you find everywhere else. They aren't better in any way, but I don't think they are worse either. Just an odd belief system in a group of mostly optimistic people. I think you would have to look long and hard to find another one as whacked as your ex seemed to be. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Maharishi Maheshi Yogi's life work; Has culminated in this theory, It's called 'The Maharishi Effect'. It says; That TM meditators, have an effect; When in transendental deep meditation- That effects the rest of the population; (Yes, I know this sounds absurd) Robert, interesting theories and given that these theories are the culmination of MMY's life work. Is it safe to say Fairfield itself being the home of the TM movement, the univeristy and so many Tm meditators is a community in a state of bliss. Does Fairfield enjoy a 0% crime rate. 0 % domestic disputes and a 0% incidence of the various other types of social problems that plague other communities with a fraction of the population of meditators. Yes Robert to use your own words this does sound absurd. If MMY can bring peace to a community with (I think I saw a claim of 1% of the population meditating). Then given Fairfields pop. of a mere 10,000 people there must be zero reportable incidences in your community with such a large population of TM meditators,,,how could it possibly be anything but,,,it is afterall a culmination of MMY's life work. Does Fairfield have a zero percent crime rate,,,oh hell lets just say a zero percent VIOLENT crime rate??? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Business You've been Looking for is in Fairfield, IA
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[FairfieldLife] Golda Meir quote
We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Golda Meir quote
In a message dated 8/13/06 1:11:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us." Mel Brooks:" Schwartza! They're all Schwartzas! Was haben mir schoen gesehen?" __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like many aspects of the TM movement beliefs, the 1% claims are carefully worded so they are un-falsifiable. Curtis has discovered the concept of falsifiability but unfortunately hasn't quite discovered how to use it correctly in context yet. It's like the fundie Christian who inhabited alt.m.t for a while and kept yapping about how the only scientific studies that were valid were those that were double-blind. He was also unclear on the concept. Two points Curtis needs to think about: 1. Some claims are *by their very nature* unfalsifiable. It's not a matter of careful wording, it's that it would make no sense to word them any other way, e.g., There is life on other planets. 2. In doing research studies on the Maharishi Effect, TM scientists have made *falsifiable predictions* and then tested them. If they wanted to keep the Maharishi Effect theory unfalsifiable, they wouldn't conduct such studies in the first place. That's not to say there aren't big problems with testing the ME theory, or that TM researchers haven't looked at the data selectively. But that has nothing to do with falsifiability per se. This is a common trick with groups making absurd claims. Because they are choosing what to pay attention to in huge amounts of sociological data, they can make it seem like either something good is happening or something is purifying in the environment. Of course, something is purifying in the environment is not a claim made in the scientific research on the Maharishi Effect. Straw man. On a smaller scale this is played out with the claim that TM makes you feel better in every way That isn't a claim I've ever heard in the TM context. , unless it doesn't, which is termed unstressing. They are only fooling themselves with this transparent tactic. However, no such explanation about unstressing is advanced in TM's scientific research. And in any case, while unstressing as an explanation for why one doesn't always live in unmitigated bliss from the moment of starting TM may seem like an easy out, it's also possible that it's true. I doubt Curtis would say that psychotherapists, for example, are using a transparent tactic just to fool themselves when they say that therapy will ultimately make you feel better, but you may find yourself feeling worse first. Fairfield people are nice, ordinary folks with all the same social problems common to their age demographic. Nothing special after decades of devotion to this practice. The same mix of idiots and geniuses you find everywhere else. They aren't better in any way, but I don't think they are worse either. Just an odd belief system in a group of mostly optimistic people. I think you would have to look long and hard to find another one as whacked as your ex seemed to be. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Maharishi Maheshi Yogi's life work; Has culminated in this theory, It's called 'The Maharishi Effect'. It says; That TM meditators, have an effect; When in transendental deep meditation- That effects the rest of the population; (Yes, I know this sounds absurd) Robert, interesting theories and given that these theories are the culmination of MMY's life work. Is it safe to say Fairfield itself being the home of the TM movement, the univeristy and so many Tm meditators is a community in a state of bliss. Does Fairfield enjoy a 0% crime rate. 0 % domestic disputes and a 0% incidence of the various other types of social problems that plague other communities with a fraction of the population of meditators. Yes Robert to use your own words this does sound absurd. If MMY can bring peace to a community with (I think I saw a claim of 1% of the population meditating). Then given Fairfields pop. of a mere 10,000 people there must be zero reportable incidences in your community with such a large population of TM meditators,,,how could it possibly be anything but,,,it is afterall a culmination of MMY's life work. Does Fairfield have a zero percent crime rate,,,oh hell lets just say a zero percent VIOLENT crime rate??? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The latest construction on MUM campus
Title: The latest construction on MUM campus -- Forwarded Message From: Sharalyn Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:30:22 -0500 To: light and lite [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: the lastest construction on MUM campus ---Greg and I toured this building late one evening. It was an amazing experience. Even in its raw construction, the site was vibrant with that lightness we have learned to identify the feeling one gets inside a Maharishi Sthapatya Veda building. I (who do public performance of dramatic readings) performed Shakespeare's Let me not to marriage of true minds... before the empty gallery. I have some acclaim as a performer, even standing ovations, but the silence there was so full and rich, I can honestly tell you it was the best audience I ever had. I can't imagine the feeling it will generate when filled with that rapt attention for which meditating audiences are so well known. Despite the fact that we are nature lovers who prefer outdoors to in, when we walked back outside we both had the feeling of sudden loss. For the green conscious, you'll want to take see the green technology section, and note that the kitchen is the only university in the U.S. to provide all fresh, all organic international cuisine. Student Center of Maharishi University of Management http://www.mum.edu/studentcenter/ www.mum.edu/studentcenter/ __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
Hi, Curtis -- Barry Markovsky called TM a stealth religion. I think that is quite apt considering how he and his minions have suckered so many ordinary folks into paying for the absurd claims of opportunistic Maheshism. *If something good happens, we are responsible; otherwise, we blame people for being negative.* Butt-bouncing for whirrled peas. Like Steve said, eventually people will figure it out. I don't know, however, if the Maheshites' claims about the MishMash Effect are, as you say, 'un-falsifiable'. Quite a lot got written by actual scientists almost as soon as the TMO published. If I can find any of those documents, I'll add them to the TMO the Odd Side in the Files section. G --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like many aspects of the TM movement beliefs, the 1% claims are carefully worded so they are un-falsifiable. This is a common trick with groups making absurd claims. Because they are choosing what to pay attention to in huge amounts of sociological data, they can make it seem like either something good is happening or something is purifying in the environment. On a smaller scale this is played out with the claim that TM makes you feel better in every way, unless it doesn't, which is termed unstressing. They are only fooling themselves with this transparent tactic. Fairfield people are nice, ordinary folks with all the same social problems common to their age demographic. Nothing special after decades of devotion to this practice. The same mix of idiots and geniuses you find everywhere else. They aren't better in any way, but I don't think they are worse either. Just an odd belief system in a group of mostly optimistic people. I think you would have to look long and hard to find another one as whacked as your ex seemed to be. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Maharishi Maheshi Yogi's life work; Has culminated in this theory, It's called 'The Maharishi Effect'. It says; That TM meditators, have an effect; When in transendental deep meditation- That effects the rest of the population; (Yes, I know this sounds absurd) Robert, interesting theories and given that these theories are the culmination of MMY's life work. Is it safe to say Fairfield itself being the home of the TM movement, the univeristy and so many Tm meditators is a community in a state of bliss. Does Fairfield enjoy a 0% crime rate. 0 % domestic disputes and a 0% incidence of the various other types of social problems that plague other communities with a fraction of the population of meditators. Yes Robert to use your own words this does sound absurd. If MMY can bring peace to a community with (I think I saw a claim of 1% of the population meditating). Then given Fairfields pop. of a mere 10,000 people there must be zero reportable incidences in your community with such a large population of TM meditators,,,how could it possibly be anything but,,,it is afterall a culmination of MMY's life work. Does Fairfield have a zero percent crime rate,,,oh hell lets just say a zero percent VIOLENT crime rate??? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Curtis -- Barry Markovsky called TM a stealth religion. I think that is quite apt considering how he and his minions have suckered so many ordinary folks into paying for the absurd claims of opportunistic Maheshism. *If something good happens, we are responsible; otherwise, we blame people for being negative.* ???Actually, Maharishi said, concerning the Maharishi Effect, that if we take claim for the good, we must also take claim for the bad. IOW, if the ME works and is responsible for good things in the world, then the fact that the ME hasn't been implemented on a large scale is the fault of the TMO and any bad that continues is also the fault of the TMO. Butt-bouncing for whirrled peas. Like Steve said, eventually people will figure it out. I don't know, however, if the Maheshites' claims about the MishMash Effect are, as you say, 'un-falsifiable'. Quite a lot got written by actual scientists almost as soon as the TMO published. Often by people who hadn't read the ME studies, or if they had, were biased already. For example Barry Markovsky managed to put a tiny footnote in an otherwise excellent critique of the ME itself, where he claimed that there was evidence of unethical behavior on the part of the ME researchers because they didn't bother to obtain the permission of their test subjects before conducting the studies... If I can find any of those documents, I'll add them to the TMO the Odd Side in the Files section. They're found in the MINET and trancenet.org sites. Trancenet is no more, but Scientia.org, a pseudo-psuedo-TM meditation organization sponsors a selective archive of it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Business You've been Looking for is in Fairfield, IA
I remember when the Crest Jewel was the only ru store in Fairfield. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.crestjewel.com/Fairfield-IA.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Curtis -- Barry Markovsky called TM a stealth religion. I think that is quite apt considering how he and his minions have suckered so many ordinary folks into paying for the absurd claims of opportunistic Maheshism. *If something good happens, we are responsible; otherwise, we blame people for being negative.* Butt-bouncing for whirrled peas. Like Steve said, eventually people will figure it out. I don't know, however, if the Maheshites' claims about the MishMash Effect are, as you say, 'un-falsifiable'. Quite a lot got written by actual scientists almost as soon as the TMO published. snicker Even more pathetically unclear on the concept. Doesn't even know what unfalsifiable *means*; he thinks it means some people claimed the TM researchers' conclusions were false. If I can find any of those documents, I'll add them to the TMO the Odd Side in the Files section. I'll be interested to see what gerbal comes up with. Markovsky's critique of the Jerusalem study used to be on Trancenet, but the Web site isn't accessible any longer. However, that page is mirrored at: http://www.lightlink.com/trance/research/markovsky2.shtml Orme-Johnson rebuts Markovsky's critique here: http://tinyurl.com/ax3ge The Jerusalem study was published in 1988; Markovsky's critique appeared seven years later, in 1995 (almost as soon as the TMO published, according to gerbal). A critique was also published in the same journal as the Jerusalem study two years later, in 1990 (almost as soon as the TMO published, according to gerbal). Orme-Johnson's rebuttal to that critique was published in the same journal that same year. Finally, a critique of the D.C. study was published in Skeptical Inquirer in September/October 2000, a year after the D.C. study (almost as soon as the TMO published, according to gerbal). That critique is rebutted by Maxwell Rainforth here: http://istpp.org/crime_prevention/voodoo_rebuttal.html A page at Orme-Johnson's site TruthAboutTM.org discusses these and other criticisms of the two studies here: http://tinyurl.com/rz3g3 I'm not aware of any critiques published almost as soon as the TMO published, but I'm sure gerbal has something in mind, don't you, gerbal? I'm also unaware of any critiques that haven't themselves been rather decisively rebutted by the TM researchers. Caveat: I don't think either of these studies, the Jerusalem or the D.C. study, are any more than suggestive; they're certainly not conclusive. I'm extremely skeptical that the ME theory can ever be conclusively documented to be valid, even if the ME does actually exist. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 no_reply@ wrote: snip I don't know, however, if the Maheshites' claims about the MishMash Effect are, as you say, 'un-falsifiable'. Quite a lot got written by actual scientists almost as soon as the TMO published. Often by people who hadn't read the ME studies, or if they had, were biased already. For example Barry Markovsky managed to put a tiny footnote in an otherwise excellent critique of the ME itself, where he claimed that there was evidence of unethical behavior on the part of the ME researchers because they didn't bother to obtain the permission of their test subjects before conducting the studies... Which made for yet another fantabulous alt.m.t episode in which Markovsky attempted to defend this notion (do a Google Groups search in alt.m.t for the phrase informed consent around 1997 for a really good laugh). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Caveat: I don't think either of these studies, the Jerusalem or the D.C. study, are any more than suggestive; they're certainly not conclusive. I'm extremely skeptical that the ME theory can ever be conclusively documented to be valid, even if the ME does actually exist. The biggest problem is that it's not possible to study it in a labratory setting. Fred Travis did part of his PhD research on field effects of consciousness but that study has never been replicated. Fred's latest research shows why: there's a ceiling effect on EEG coherence that happens within 4-5 months of TM practice. You can't find tiny fluctuations, at least consistently, in something where the tiny fluctuations stop being detectable. I recently ran across reference to a technique for obtaining instananeous EEG coherence figures and passed it on to Fred. He may already have been familiar with the technique and decided it wasn't appropriate, or perhaps not. If not, it is conceivable that the ceiling effect for EEG coherence averaged over 40 seconds time might not exist for much smaller time intervals, in which case small scale interpersonal EEG coherence studies might be possible to perform with non-negative results. If THOSE can be replicated by non-TMing researchers, that would be tremendous support for the ME. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 no_reply@ wrote: snip I don't know, however, if the Maheshites' claims about the MishMash Effect are, as you say, 'un-falsifiable'. Quite a lot got written by actual scientists almost as soon as the TMO published. Often by people who hadn't read the ME studies, or if they had, were biased already. For example Barry Markovsky managed to put a tiny footnote in an otherwise excellent critique of the ME itself, where he claimed that there was evidence of unethical behavior on the part of the ME researchers because they didn't bother to obtain the permission of their test subjects before conducting the studies... Which made for yet another fantabulous alt.m.t episode in which Markovsky attempted to defend this notion (do a Google Groups search in alt.m.t for the phrase informed consent around 1997 for a really good laugh). Barry doesn't work at the University of Iowa any more. I'm sure he's happy to be elsewhere since the same people he accused of deliberately skewing rsearch are now doing collaborative studies wtih researchers at the University of Iowa. Continuing to make such accusations would have painted the researchers at U of IA with the same brush, which is a no-no, I'm certain. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Ramanand Sagars Ramayan HVS 26 volumes IFY
There's a copy of the Ramayan on VHS on ebay auction going for 99 cents. I know this isn't a listserv for SELLING but this ebay auction ends Monday around 11 am I would imagine there are a few of you that would be interested. I know it used to be rentable at 21st Century. Eric Aschliman turned Tom Hickey I onto this in 1993. For sure the DVD 16 volume version would be much better ( also has a segment I haven't heard of Sagar Maharishi at Blodrop as one of the many fillers added for extra value). But if you don't want to spend $$$ you could probably have it for a bid of $1.25 plus the actual $12 shipping media mail. I put it up a couple weeks ago for $29 got no bids. Enjoy! http://stores.ebay.com/Great-Stuff-Priced-Right To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest construction on MUM campus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded Message From: Sharalyn Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:30:22 -0500 To: light and lite [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: the lastest construction on MUM campus ---Greg and I toured this building late one evening. It was an amazing experience. Even in its raw construction, the site was vibrant with that lightness we have learned to identify the feeling one gets inside a Maharishi Sthapatya Veda building. I (who do public performance of dramatic readings) performed Shakespeare's Let me not to marriage of true minds... Let me not to the marriage of true minds Admit impediments; love is not love Which alters when it alteration finds, Or bends with the remover to remove: O, no, it is an ever-fixèd mark, That looks on tempests and is never shaken; It is the star to every wand'ring bark, Whose worth's unknown, although his heighth be taken. Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks Within his bending sickle's compass come; Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks, But bears it out even to the edge of doom. If this be error and upon me proved, I never writ, nor no man ever loved. love - remove come - doom proved - loved Were those words rhyming perfectly at the time of William Shakespeare? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest construction on MUM campus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: -- Forwarded Message From: Sharalyn Harris homeonthefarm@ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:30:22 -0500 To: light and lite homeonthefarm@ Subject: FW: the lastest construction on MUM campus ---Greg and I toured this building late one evening. It was an amazing experience. Even in its raw construction, the site was vibrant with that lightness we have learned to identify the feeling one gets inside a Maharishi Sthapatya Veda building. I (who do public performance of dramatic readings) performed Shakespeare's Let me not to marriage of true minds... Let me not to the marriage of true minds Admit impediments; love is not love Which alters when it alteration finds, Or bends with the remover to remove: O, no, it is an ever-fixèd mark, That looks on tempests and is never shaken; It is the star to every wand'ring bark, Whose worth's unknown, although his heighth be taken. Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks Within his bending sickle's compass come; Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks, But bears it out even to the edge of doom. If this be error and upon me proved, I never writ, nor no man ever loved. love - remove come - doom proved - loved Were those words rhyming perfectly at the time of William Shakespeare? I believe love is thought to have been pronounced loove. Don't know about come/doom, but it seems reasonable to assume come was pronounced coom. aye-oo-aye-oo ah-ay-ah-ay ee-oo-ee-oo oo-oo To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] Caveat: I don't think either of these studies, the Jerusalem or the D.C. study, are any more than suggestive; they're certainly not conclusive. I'm extremely skeptical that the ME theory can ever be conclusively documented to be valid, even if the ME does actually exist. The biggest problem is that it's not possible to study it in a labratory setting. Fred Travis did part of his PhD research on field effects of consciousness but that study has never been replicated. Fred's latest research shows why: there's a ceiling effect on EEG coherence that happens within 4-5 months of TM practice. You can't find tiny fluctuations, at least consistently, in something where the tiny fluctuations stop being detectable. I recently ran across reference to a technique for obtaining instananeous EEG coherence figures and passed it on to Fred. He may already have been familiar with the technique and decided it wasn't appropriate, or perhaps not. If not, it is conceivable that the ceiling effect for EEG coherence averaged over 40 seconds time might not exist for much smaller time intervals, in which case small scale interpersonal EEG coherence studies might be possible to perform with non-negative results. If THOSE can be replicated by non-TMing researchers, that would be tremendous support for the ME. How small-scale would this be, just curiously? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A SCIENCE OF SALVATION FROM SUFFERING
A SCIENCE OF SALVATION FROM SUFFERING http://www.salvationscience.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Curtis -- Barry Markovsky called TM a stealth religion. I think that is quite apt considering how he and his minions have suckered so many ordinary folks into paying for the absurd claims of opportunistic Maheshism. *If something good happens, we are responsible; otherwise, we blame people for being negative.* Butt-bouncing for whirrled peas. Like Steve said, eventually people will figure it out. I don't know, however, if the Maheshites' claims about the MishMash Effect are, as you say, 'un-falsifiable'. Quite a lot got written by actual scientists almost as soon as the TMO published. If I can find any of those documents, I'll add them to the TMO the Odd Side in the Files section. G I found some interesting documents. The PDF, much easier to read, for Evaluating Heterodox Theories, is too big to add. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...' on 8/13/06 4:44 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I can find any of those documents, I'll add them to the TMO the Odd Side in the Files section. G I found some interesting documents. The PDF, much easier to read, for Evaluating Heterodox Theories, is too big to add. Do you see anything I could delete to free up space? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
Thank you Curtisdeltablues your response it mirrors my thoughts on what I am certain is a nice community (Fairfield). One that is no better but no worse then other communities with far less folks flying' for a better world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like many aspects of the TM movement beliefs, the 1% claims are carefully worded so they are un-falsifiable. This is a common trick with groups making absurd claims. Because they are choosing what to pay attention to in huge amounts of sociological data, they can make it seem like either something good is happening or something is purifying in the environment. On a smaller scale this is played out with the claim that TM makes you feel better in every way, unless it doesn't, which is termed unstressing. They are only fooling themselves with this transparent tactic. Fairfield people are nice, ordinary folks with all the same social problems common to their age demographic. Nothing special after decades of devotion to this practice. The same mix of idiots and geniuses you find everywhere else. They aren't better in any way, but I don't think they are worse either. Just an odd belief system in a group of mostly optimistic people. I think you would have to look long and hard to find another one as whacked as your ex seemed to be. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Maharishi Maheshi Yogi's life work; Has culminated in this theory, It's called 'The Maharishi Effect'. It says; That TM meditators, have an effect; When in transendental deep meditation- That effects the rest of the population; (Yes, I know this sounds absurd) Robert, interesting theories and given that these theories are the culmination of MMY's life work. Is it safe to say Fairfield itself being the home of the TM movement, the univeristy and so many Tm meditators is a community in a state of bliss. Does Fairfield enjoy a 0% crime rate. 0 % domestic disputes and a 0% incidence of the various other types of social problems that plague other communities with a fraction of the population of meditators. Yes Robert to use your own words this does sound absurd. If MMY can bring peace to a community with (I think I saw a claim of 1% of the population meditating). Then given Fairfields pop. of a mere 10,000 people there must be zero reportable incidences in your community with such a large population of TM meditators,,,how could it possibly be anything but,,,it is afterall a culmination of MMY's life work. Does Fairfield have a zero percent crime rate,,,oh hell lets just say a zero percent VIOLENT crime rate??? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/13/06 4:44 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I can find any of those documents, I'll add them to the TMO the Odd Side in the Files section. G I found some interesting documents. The PDF, much easier to read, for Evaluating Heterodox Theories, is too big to add. Do you see anything I could delete to free up space? Tell him to check message 109520 on the FFL Web site for a link to the article in HTML. He can save it as text and post that. There are a couple of formulas in the Notes section that were done as graphics that don't show up on the page, but maybe he can fill in reasonable approximations based on his PDF version. Otherwise, it's all text, no charts or anything. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] HOW TO HACK A DIEBOLD VOTING MACHINE
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[FairfieldLife] Hog lot battle
Elsewhere across the state, Jim Rubis of Fairfield was fighting a similar battle along with friends who formed Jefferson County Farmers and Neighbors Inc. Ditto for hundreds of people who live in the Clear Lake area. The Dickinson County confinement opponents were prepared to sue to stop a New Fashion Pork development four miles west of West Okoboji Lake. They didn't have to, but they continue to burn up e-mail servers with plans to fight for county zoning of hog confinements and other livestock operations. The Okobojians teamed with residents of Fairfield and Clear Lake - and other spots around Iowa - to form the Iowa Network for Local Control, which is raising $200,000 for lobbying and legal fees. Koepp told state lawmakers at a rules committee hearing last week that lake residents and visitors caught off guard by the latest confinement proposal now know that the current regulations favor the livestock industry, not confinement critics. It's apparent we are getting the short end of the stick, Koepp said. You need to enter into a serious dialogue on this in the next Legislature. Rubis last week told lawmakers that his group collected 2,000 signatures in a county of 16,000, in two days, supporting local control. We were told by legislators there was no interest in doing this, Rubis said. The group collected 700 letters in support, then began quietly lobbying. There IS interest, he added. Murphy, who lives near the Iowa Great Lakes and just south of land eyed for the now-shelved confinement, told lawmakers, I would plead with you to do the will of the people. Agricultural interests are running this state and we need some balance. The network's idea: Let counties zone hog confinements, as they would other businesses that have steady emissions. The chances of the group succeeding: Unknown. However, lawmakers have steadfastly refused such an action, and have voted several times to make even clearer the state's control over livestock. Last week, the Iowa Administrative Rules Review Committee let stand a new rule that will give Jeff Vonk, director of the Iowa Department of Natural Resources, the power to consider a wider range of environmental factors before approving new livestock operations. However, the panel also formally objected to the rule - basically declaring it illegal and inviting a legal challenge. The Iowa Farm Bureau Federation said it would watch the DNR's actions for a while before deciding whether to sue. http://tinyurl.com/rmfbo To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Maharishi Maheshi Yogi's life work; Has culminated in this theory, It's called 'The Maharishi Effect'. It says; That TM meditators, have an effect; When in transendental deep meditation- That effects the rest of the population; (Yes, I know this sounds absurd) Robert, interesting theories and given that these theories are the culmination of MMY's life work. Is it safe to say Fairfield itself being the home of the TM movement, the univeristy and so many Tm meditators is a community in a state of bliss. Does Fairfield enjoy a 0% crime rate. 0 % domestic disputes and a 0% incidence of the various other types of social problems that plague other communities with a fraction of the population of meditators. Yes Robert to use your own words this does sound absurd. If MMY can bring peace to a community with (I think I saw a claim of 1% of the population meditating). Then given Fairfields pop. of a mere 10,000 people there must be zero reportable incidences in your community with such a large population of TM meditators,,,how could it possibly be anything but,,,it is afterall a culmination of MMY's life work. Does Fairfield have a zero percent crime rate,,,oh hell lets just say a zero percent VIOLENT crime rate??? The ME is something I'd love to believe in: the field effects of consciousness. However the empirical evidence (regardless of what John H. and Bevan say) show that this effect, if it can be measured at all, is extremely weak. Another rather bizarre phenomenon is that it doesn't appear to work in Fairfield! That in itself is enough to argue that the theory has to be reworked. Metaphoric, post hoc explanations (e.g., the washing machine effect--please!) reveal that the ME as it stands now is just cult science. I can't believe that so many people have not observed this in their personal experience. Haven't you ever just meditated somewhere, where it has been busy, and or noisy, and noticed that as you meditate and allow yourself to get deeper, despite the outside noise, didn't you ever notice, that everything around you- just seems to calm down. I can meditate anywhere, and produce that effect. It just happens. Yes we are all connected on the level of consciousness. Birds, bees, trees, and humans. And when you transcend and experience you own being; This has a calming healing effect on the whole. Now, as I was saying in a previous post; As you get more familiar with maintaining pure consciousness; Like we do in the siddhi practice; Then you might want to allow your attention to go to an area; Which feels disturbed, or hollow, or empty? And just allow yourself to hold pure consciousness in your awareness; While also allowing your awareness to hold that which needs healing. And hold the beingness and the other vibration; Until you feel the other vibration, shift. This can be a form of prayer. Just establishing yourself in pure peace of the transcendent. And bring that peace through your awareness, to the disturbance; Wherever the disturbance is felt: in the field of awareness/ As everything is (are) vibrations of consciousness; So pure consciousness, purify's everything. Whether pure or impure, anyone who is in the presence of enlivened Pure consciousness is purified... So, whether you can scientifically prove this is irrevelevant to me. This is my experience. Proof is like Pontius Pilot wanted of Jesus. Sometimes, it just doesn't work that way. Sometimes, no amount of proof, will prove anything; To one who is blind to the truth. Now, as far as the situation in Fairfield, I think a lot of that has to do with politics and different ego power plays, in the town and in the meditator community itself. I also believe that Fairfield has attracted to it, many people with some 'heavy karma' to dissolve; and that Fairfield, Iowa, is just a strange, dusty old midwest town, with a failed university, in the past, Parsons college, and just that we got a good deal on it; And that's where it all ended up... Lot's of Karma there for sure... And any group of people can surely be called a 'cult' Like the Roman Catholic 'cult'. Same thing... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
I thought Curtis's response was great too, Bill, and really sums up the wackiness as well as the good stuff. But on FF--it really feels like a community here, like a group of progressive people working together on various projects, at least much of the time. The divisions, when they occur, usually come from the TM side, (IMO) but even that has not been happening nearly as much lately. I tend to think people are a little nicer and more open-minded here than in many other places, at least other places I've lived in. Sal On Aug 13, 2006, at 5:20 PM, Bill (William)Simmons wrote: Thank you Curtisdeltablues your response it mirrors my thoughts on what I am certain is a nice community (Fairfield). One that is no better but no worse then other communities with far less folks flying' for a better world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like many aspects of the TM movement beliefs, the 1% claims are carefully worded so they are un-falsifiable. This is a common trick with groups making absurd claims. Because they are choosing what to pay attention to in huge amounts of sociological data, they can make it seem like either something good is happening or something is purifying in the environment. On a smaller scale this is played out with the claim that TM makes you feel better in every way, unless it doesn't, which is termed unstressing. They are only fooling themselves with this transparent tactic. Fairfield people are nice, ordinary folks with all the same social problems common to their age demographic. Nothing special after decades of devotion to this practice. The same mix of idiots and geniuses you find everywhere else. They aren't better in any way, but I don't think they are worse either. Just an odd belief system in a group of mostly optimistic people. I think you would have to look long and hard to find another one as whacked as your ex seemed to be. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ME is something I'd love to believe in: the field effects of consciousness. However the empirical evidence (regardless of what John H. and Bevan say) show that this effect, if it can be measured at all, is extremely weak. Another rather bizarre phenomenon is that it doesn't appear to work in Fairfield! That in itself is enough to argue that the theory has to be reworked. Metaphoric, post hoc explanations (e.g., the washing machine effect--please!) reveal that the ME as it stands now is just cult science. I can't believe that so many people have not observed this in their personal experience. Haven't you ever just meditated somewhere, where it has been busy, and or noisy, and noticed that as you meditate and allow yourself to get deeper, despite the outside noise, didn't you ever notice, that everything around you- just seems to calm down. I can meditate anywhere, and produce that effect. It just happens. Yes we are all connected on the level of consciousness. Birds, bees, trees, and humans. And when you transcend and experience you own being; This has a calming healing effect on the whole. Now, as I was saying in a previous post; As you get more familiar with maintaining pure consciousness; Like we do in the siddhi practice; Then you might want to allow your attention to go to an area; Which feels disturbed, or hollow, or empty? And just allow yourself to hold pure consciousness in your awareness; While also allowing your awareness to hold that which needs healing. And hold the beingness and the other vibration; Until you feel the other vibration, shift. This can be a form of prayer. Just establishing yourself in pure peace of the transcendent. And bring that peace through your awareness, to the disturbance; Wherever the disturbance is felt: in the field of awareness/ As everything is (are) vibrations of consciousness; So pure consciousness, purify's everything. Whether pure or impure, anyone who is in the presence of enlivened Pure consciousness is purified... So, whether you can scientifically prove this is irrevelevant to me. This is my experience. Proof is like Pontius Pilot wanted of Jesus. Sometimes, it just doesn't work that way. Sometimes, no amount of proof, will prove anything; To one who is blind to the truth. Now, as far as the situation in Fairfield, I think a lot of that has to do with politics and different ego power plays, in the town and in the meditator community itself. I also believe that Fairfield has attracted to it, many people with some 'heavy karma' to dissolve; and that Fairfield, Iowa, is just a strange, dusty old midwest town, with a failed university, in the past, Parsons college, and just that we got a good deal on it; And that's where it all ended up... Lot's of Karma there for sure... And any group of people can surely be called a 'cult' Like the Roman Catholic 'cult'. Same thing... Robert, you're talking anectdotal evidence and poetry which is fine, but it's not in the domain of science which is quantification. I'd love for the ME to be robust and easily quantifiable but its not. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
One thing I would like to correct on re-reading my post. I implied that most of the people in Fairfield share one belief system, but as Sal and Rick can probably correct and confirm, the group has shifted from a more unified TM based belief system to a much more eclectic, diverse set of beliefs and views. Aside from being pretty spiritually focused as a group, compared with people I hang out with here in DC, they represent as many points of view as the number of people there. This yahoo group opened my eyes to that shift, and it makes for a much more fascinating group of people in my opinion. Of course there is still a core that maintains the hard line, but most members have drifted so far from that position that they have very little in common with them except a possible memory of themselves when they were that closed minded. At least that is true for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Curtisdeltablues your response it mirrors my thoughts on what I am certain is a nice community (Fairfield). One that is no better but no worse then other communities with far less folks flying' for a better world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Like many aspects of the TM movement beliefs, the 1% claims are carefully worded so they are un-falsifiable. This is a common trick with groups making absurd claims. Because they are choosing what to pay attention to in huge amounts of sociological data, they can make it seem like either something good is happening or something is purifying in the environment. On a smaller scale this is played out with the claim that TM makes you feel better in every way, unless it doesn't, which is termed unstressing. They are only fooling themselves with this transparent tactic. Fairfield people are nice, ordinary folks with all the same social problems common to their age demographic. Nothing special after decades of devotion to this practice. The same mix of idiots and geniuses you find everywhere else. They aren't better in any way, but I don't think they are worse either. Just an odd belief system in a group of mostly optimistic people. I think you would have to look long and hard to find another one as whacked as your ex seemed to be. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Maharishi Maheshi Yogi's life work; Has culminated in this theory, It's called 'The Maharishi Effect'. It says; That TM meditators, have an effect; When in transendental deep meditation- That effects the rest of the population; (Yes, I know this sounds absurd) Robert, interesting theories and given that these theories are the culmination of MMY's life work. Is it safe to say Fairfield itself being the home of the TM movement, the univeristy and so many Tm meditators is a community in a state of bliss. Does Fairfield enjoy a 0% crime rate. 0 % domestic disputes and a 0% incidence of the various other types of social problems that plague other communities with a fraction of the population of meditators. Yes Robert to use your own words this does sound absurd. If MMY can bring peace to a community with (I think I saw a claim of 1% of the population meditating). Then given Fairfields pop. of a mere 10,000 people there must be zero reportable incidences in your community with such a large population of TM meditators,,,how could it possibly be anything but,,,it is afterall a culmination of MMY's life work. Does Fairfield have a zero percent crime rate,,,oh hell lets just say a zero percent VIOLENT crime rate??? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
I tend to think people are a little nicer and more open-minded here than in many other places, at least other places I've lived in. Sal I don't doubt that. Nice place to raise kids. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Curtis's response was great too, Bill, and really sums up the wackiness as well as the good stuff. But on FF--it really feels like a community here, like a group of progressive people working together on various projects, at least much of the time. The divisions, when they occur, usually come from the TM side, (IMO) but even that has not been happening nearly as much lately. I tend to think people are a little nicer and more open-minded here than in many other places, at least other places I've lived in. Sal On Aug 13, 2006, at 5:20 PM, Bill (William)Simmons wrote: Thank you Curtisdeltablues your response it mirrors my thoughts on what I am certain is a nice community (Fairfield). One that is no better but no worse then other communities with far less folks flying' for a better world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Like many aspects of the TM movement beliefs, the 1% claims are carefully worded so they are un-falsifiable. This is a common trick with groups making absurd claims. Because they are choosing what to pay attention to in huge amounts of sociological data, they can make it seem like either something good is happening or something is purifying in the environment. On a smaller scale this is played out with the claim that TM makes you feel better in every way, unless it doesn't, which is termed unstressing. They are only fooling themselves with this transparent tactic. Fairfield people are nice, ordinary folks with all the same social problems common to their age demographic. Nothing special after decades of devotion to this practice. The same mix of idiots and geniuses you find everywhere else. They aren't better in any way, but I don't think they are worse either. Just an odd belief system in a group of mostly optimistic people. I think you would have to look long and hard to find another one as whacked as your ex seemed to be. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/13/06 4:44 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I can find any of those documents, I'll add them to the TMO the Odd Side in the Files section. G I found some interesting documents. The PDF, much easier to read, for Evaluating Heterodox Theories, is too big to add. Do you see anything I could delete to free up space? No, it's all too valuable. Reading the version from Trancenet is good enough. But for those who absolutely have to have the PDF, they can e- mail me for it. It isn't available on the Internet without a journal subscription. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] From a MUM web page
I cut and pasted this claim from a MUM web page claiming that Where as little as 1% of population is practising TM the trend of rising crime rates is REVERSED. This is the actual cut and paste. We can split hairs all we won't on actual wording but given this claim by the University the spirit of the message would suggest that the town of Fairfield should be enjoying a crime rate far below the national average... In 1975, Maharishi inaugurated the dawn of a new era, proclaiming that 'through the window of science we see the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment'. Scientific research found that in cities and towns all over the world where as little as one per cent of the population practises the Transcendental Meditation Technique, the trend of rising crime rate is reversed, indicating increasing order and harmony. Research scientists named this phenomenon of rising coherence in the collective consciousness of the whole society the Maharishi Effect, because this was the realization of Maharishi's promise to society made in the very early days of Maharishi's Movement (started in Madras, India in 1957). The Maharishi Effect establishes the principle that individual consciousness affects collective consciousness. Nearly 50 scientific research studies conducted over the past 25 years verify the unique effect and wide-ranging benefits to the nation produced by the Maharishi Effect. These studies have used the most rigorous research methods and evaluation procedures available in the social sciences, including time series analysis, which controls for weekly and seasonal cycles or trends in social data. (Refer to: Scientific Research on Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation ProgrammeCollected Papers 98, 166, 317-320, 331, and 402.) Research shows that the influence of coherence created by the Maharishi Effect can be measured on both national and international levels. Increased coherence within the nation expresses itself in improved national harmony and well-being. In addition, this internal coherence and harmony generates an influence that extends beyond the nation's borders, expressing itself in improved international relations and reduced international conflicts. In 1976, with the introduction of the more advanced TM-Sidhi Programme including Yogic Flying, a more powerful effect of coherence in collective consciousness was expected. The first major test of this prediction took place in 1978 during Maharishi's Global Ideal Society Campaign in 108 countries: crime rate was reduced everywhere. (Refer to: Scientific Research on Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation ProgrammeCollected Papers 321-323, 325-330, 332-335, and 401-410.) This global research demonstrated a new formula: the square root of one per cent of a population practising Transcendental Meditation and the TM-Sidhi Programme, morning and evening together in one place, is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and promote positive trends throughout the whole population. Research has shown that groups of individuals practising Yogic Flying all enjoying very high brainwave coherencecreate coherence in collective consciousness, and generate a unifying and integrating effect in the life of society. This results in a decrease of negative trends throughout societysuch as crime, accidents, and sickness and an increase in positive social, economic, and political trends. Scientific studies on this phenomenon have demonstrated that a group of at least 7,000 individuals practising Yogic Flying can produce this coherence-creating effect on a global scale, reducing violent and negative trends worldwide. Research studies have repeatedly confirmed the Maharishi Effect on a global scale. For example, during assemblies of ten days to three weeks in which the number of individuals practising the TM-Sidhi Programme of Yogic Flying approached or exceeded the square root of one per cent of the world's populationabout 7,000 peopleglobal social trends improved immediately, including improved international relations as measured by reduced international conflict and reduced incidence of terrorism. (Refer to: Scientific Research on Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation ProgrammeCollected Papers 335-337, 410, and 411.) The secret of the Global Maharishi Effect is the phenomenon known to Physics as the 'Field Effect', the effect of coherence and positivity produced from the field of infinite correlationthe self-referral field of least excitation of consciousnessthe field of Transcendental Consciousness, which is basic to creation and permeates all life everywhere. Through the Maharishi Effect, Extended Maharishi Effect, and Global Maharishi Effect, with positive trends and harmony rising in individual and national life, the problems of the nation will disappear, as darkness disappears with the onset of light. EEG Research Locates the Seat of the Maharishi Effect in the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Golda Meir quote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us. Based on this quote it is a real shame that Israel has become the puppet of the Arab nations... Reminds me of what Flip Wilson, a comic in the 60's and 70's, used to say, The devil made me do it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cut and pasted this claim from a MUM web page claiming that Where as little as 1% of population is practising TM the trend of rising crime rates is REVERSED. Bill, I think your observation is interesting, especially when we have to take into account the murder at MUM a couple of years ago. MUM doesn't seem to be any different from any other academic setting. They all have theft, cheating, even murders. It really does seem like the real Mahesh Effect is to take credit for the accomplishments of others and blame others when things don't seem to satisfy Mahesh's predictions. I have asked Rick to post the PDF of the File I alluded to earlier. I have also posted a Word document of some other real science evaluations of the MishMash Effect. What really works is TM, especially when done in group and course setting: it simply creates the ideal situation for the implant of Maheshism. See www.suggestibility.org/ This is the actual cut and paste. We can split hairs all we won't on actual wording but given this claim by the University the spirit of the message would suggest that the town of Fairfield should be enjoying a crime rate far below the national average... In 1975, Maharishi inaugurated the dawn of a new era, proclaiming that 'through the window of science we see the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment'. Scientific research found that in cities and towns all over the world where as little as one per cent of the population practises the Transcendental Meditation Technique, the trend of rising crime rate is reversed, indicating increasing order and harmony. Research scientists named this phenomenon of rising coherence in the collective consciousness of the whole society the Maharishi Effect, because this was the realization of Maharishi's promise to society made in the very early days of Maharishi's Movement (started in Madras, India in 1957). The Maharishi Effect establishes the principle that individual consciousness affects collective consciousness. Nearly 50 scientific research studies conducted over the past 25 years verify the unique effect and wide-ranging benefits to the nation produced by the Maharishi Effect. These studies have used the most rigorous research methods and evaluation procedures available in the social sciences, including time series analysis, which controls for weekly and seasonal cycles or trends in social data. (Refer to: Scientific Research on Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation Programme Collected Papers 98, 166, 317-320, 331, and 402.) Research shows that the influence of coherence created by the Maharishi Effect can be measured on both national and international levels. Increased coherence within the nation expresses itself in improved national harmony and well-being. In addition, this internal coherence and harmony generates an influence that extends beyond the nation's borders, expressing itself in improved international relations and reduced international conflicts. In 1976, with the introduction of the more advanced TM-Sidhi Programme including Yogic Flying, a more powerful effect of coherence in collective consciousness was expected. The first major test of this prediction took place in 1978 during Maharishi's Global Ideal Society Campaign in 108 countries: crime rate was reduced everywhere. (Refer to: Scientific Research on Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation ProgrammeCollected Papers 321-323, 325-330, 332-335, and 401-410.) This global research demonstrated a new formula: the square root of one per cent of a population practising Transcendental Meditation and the TM-Sidhi Programme, morning and evening together in one place, is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and promote positive trends throughout the whole population. Research has shown that groups of individuals practising Yogic Flying all enjoying very high brainwave coherencecreate coherence in collective consciousness, and generate a unifying and integrating effect in the life of society. This results in a decrease of negative trends throughout societysuch as crime, accidents, and sickness and an increase in positive social, economic, and political trends. Scientific studies on this phenomenon have demonstrated that a group of at least 7,000 individuals practising Yogic Flying can produce this coherence-creating effect on a global scale, reducing violent and negative trends worldwide. Research studies have repeatedly confirmed the Maharishi Effect on a global scale. For example, during assemblies of ten days to three weeks in which the number of individuals practising the TM-Sidhi Programme of Yogic Flying approached or exceeded the square root of one per cent of the world's populationabout 7,000 peopleglobal social trends
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I have asked Rick to post the PDF of the File I alluded to earlier. I have also posted a Word document of some other real science evaluations of the MishMash Effect. Boy, pretty slim pickings, huh? Too bad you couldn't find anything besides the Markovsky piece that is actually scientific. You might try pursuing some of the leads I provided, see if you can beef it up a little. (You might also want to correct your typo Afles for Fales, the name of Markovsky's co-author.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] Caveat: I don't think either of these studies, the Jerusalem or the D.C. study, are any more than suggestive; they're certainly not conclusive. I'm extremely skeptical that the ME theory can ever be conclusively documented to be valid, even if the ME does actually exist. The biggest problem is that it's not possible to study it in a labratory setting. Fred Travis did part of his PhD research on field effects of consciousness but that study has never been replicated. Fred's latest research shows why: there's a ceiling effect on EEG coherence that happens within 4-5 months of TM practice. You can't find tiny fluctuations, at least consistently, in something where the tiny fluctuations stop being detectable. I recently ran across reference to a technique for obtaining instananeous EEG coherence figures and passed it on to Fred. He may already have been familiar with the technique and decided it wasn't appropriate, or perhaps not. If not, it is conceivable that the ceiling effect for EEG coherence averaged over 40 seconds time might not exist for much smaller time intervals, in which case small scale interpersonal EEG coherence studies might be possible to perform with non-negative results. If THOSE can be replicated by non-TMing researchers, that would be tremendous support for the ME. How small-scale would this be, just curiously? Fred's original research was one sidha in one room and a meditator/sidha in another, IIRC. I'm pretty sure he had things coordinated with liftoff in the Domes--environmental factors I think he called it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Curtis's response was great too, Bill, and really sums up the wackiness as well as the good stuff. But on FF--it really feels like a community here, like a group of progressive people working together on various projects, at least much of the time. The divisions, when they occur, usually come from the TM side, (IMO) but even that has not been happening nearly as much lately. I tend to think people are a little nicer and more open-minded here than in many other places, at least other places I've lived in. Of course, the TMers engage in massive attacks at all levels on the guru/founder of the non- TMers as well as on the organization that they belong to, so of course it's all the TMers' fault: the non-TMers never engage in such activities that might be divisive... BTW, Sal, when are we going to hook up? I've been aching to get into bed with you and I know you feel the same about me... [for those that have missed it, Sal has me in her killfile] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I would like to correct on re-reading my post. I implied that most of the people in Fairfield share one belief system, but as Sal and Rick can probably correct and confirm, the group has shifted from a more unified TM based belief system to a much more eclectic, diverse set of beliefs and views. Aside from being pretty spiritually focused as a group, compared with people I hang out with here in DC, they represent as many points of view as the number of people there. This yahoo group opened my eyes to that shift, and it makes for a much more fascinating group of people in my opinion. Of course there is still a core that maintains the hard line, but most members have drifted so far from that position that they have very little in common with them except a possible memory of themselves when they were that closed minded. At least that is true for me. LOL. So, how does samadhi work? What does it do on the cellular and sub-cellular, even molecular level? Yep, the guys who forsook TM for something better are definitely able to answer these questions using the most cutting edge theories. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Business You've been Looking for is in Fairfield, IA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember when the Crest Jewel was the only ru store in Fairfield. I worked there for about 2 days in 1976. Not enough hours available for me to stay --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.crestjewel.com/Fairfield-IA.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
