[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: um, you are talking to yourself again (TurquoiseB -- Geezerfreak). That is odd, don't you think? Paranoia seems to affect the supposedly-awakened, too. :-) In other words, geezerfreak ain't me. I suspect that even Judy, insane as she is, knows that. Why don't you? Jim, you should probably keep this particular seeing in mind next time you start to believe that your perceptions about things are correct. Others should also probably keep it in mind when evaluating Jim's supposed state of consciousness. I assume that the moderators (Rick, Alex, and whoever) can tell what a poster's real address is behind their Yahoo address. I hereby give them permission to bust me publicly here if their resources show that I (TurquoiseB/Barry) am the same poster as Geezerfreak. I have never posted on Fairfield Life using any ID but this one, TurquoiseB. And I don't have any plans to do so in the future. That kinda stuff is for pussies. Yeah, you got me ;-) Evaluate my supposed state of consciousness. YOU should evaluate it. Many times here on FFL you have merely assumed that because you perceived something, it was true. I don't think that is a safe assumption, about any individual or any state of consciousness. Anyone can be wrong, and the more certain they seem to be about being right, the more likely it probably is that they aren't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Why would they be TBers if they didn't believe that TM was the best thing since sliced bread? Well, that's sorta the point, dude. For people who are part of many other organizations that teach meditation, it would never occur to them to think that their particular brand of meditation was the best or better than all others. The *reason* this would not have occurred to them is that, unlike in the TMO, they were never *told* that their technique was the best, over and over and over and over and over and over, for years and years and decades. The latter approach is called brainwashing, dude. That the people who have been subjected to it believe that their technique is best says nothing whatsoever about the technique, only about the effectiveness of the brainwashing. True Believers are *created*. They don't just happen. You believe that TM is the best because you've been TOLD that so often, for so many years. And sadly, you still don't realize this... I'm well-aware of teh mechanism. However, being brainwashed doesn't preclude being correct... IF it were correct, why would it be necessary to try to convince its practitioners that it was the best? Why would it be necessary to claim it was, over and over and over and over and over? Why would it be necessary to browbeat its prac- titioners to make them afraid to try any other technique of meditation or even sit in the same room with someone practicing another technique of meditation, so that some comparison might be made? Let's face it, dude...you've been brainwashed. You've been told to look down on any form of meditation other than TM, so you do. And the amazing thing is, you do all this with- out *ever* having tried any of these other techniques yourself, to see if what you were told is true. You consider giving them a try to be off the program and dangerous and somehow disrespectful to Maharishi, right? And you think all these ideas are your own. Yeah, right. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: Geezer, You have provided me with some great laughs - I like your sense of humor. thanks Thanks Wayback. Nice to meetcha. Here's something that I remembered a few days ago that got me chuckling. Some may not realize this but flying did not always involve foams pads and bouncy bouncy. I was in the very first group to do...um...research into this particular sutra. We (a select group of Selisbergers) sat in a circle of chairs trying it out. Needless to say, not much was happening. One day I rigged a coathanger in my tie in such a way that I could manipulate the tiecause it to levitate...with my hand in my pocket. The chosen did their thing the next afternoon and sure enough, as everyone was slowly opening their eyes, the end of my tie was floating aloft trying to get it's dim witted owner to follow suit. You could hear the collective gasps in the room as everyone came out. Only when I lost it and started laughing did the camp divide into those (thankfully many) who thought it hilarious and those (the usual sad sack hard core) who thought humor should be kept OUT of spiritual development. Achtung! There vill be no yokes.NO YOKING in this room from now on! Ahh yes, good times. Humor has its place, but in that context, you were out of line. That's Mel Brooks sort of humr, where Jesus prays for a sign and someone pulls a prank that leads to legends of miracles. Works in the movies but NOT in real life. Well, maybe the legend-of-miracles part. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: um, you are talking to yourself again (TurquoiseB -- Geezerfreak). That is odd, don't you think? Paranoia seems to affect the supposedly-awakened, too. :-) In other words, geezerfreak ain't me. I suspect that even Judy, insane as she is, knows that. Why don't you? Jim, you should probably keep this particular seeing in mind next time you start to believe that your perceptions about things are correct. Others should also probably keep it in mind when evaluating Jim's supposed state of consciousness. Same question to you that I asked whatever his name is. Can you please name one person on the planet who you can state unequivocally is fully Realized, 24X7 enlightened? Absolutely not. If you claim that you can, t'would seem that your track record about being unequivocably right about lesser matters might be relevant. You can't even tell two completely different styles of writing apart, and you're telling us that you can tell who is enlightened and who isn't? You got some 'splainin to do, Jim... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: MMY defines fully mature Unity as ability to perform all sidhis without benefit of practicing a sutra. I don't believe anyone is in that state today, if ever there was someone. That is one of my points. And there is a long thread on this about a month ago. As some (Judy, for example) pointed out,and I agree, its virtually a truism that to claim MMY/TMO style of enlightenment, h one needs to fulfill TMO/MMY criteria. Its so obvious, its hard to believe that some dispute this almost identity statement, like A=A. You must have forgotten my assertion that there is no such thing as MMY/TMO style of enlightenment. This just gets stranger and stranger. Unless you are playing sematically games, or simply don't get the concept that MMY has defined specific attributes of what he means by enlightenemnt, UC and BC. I've never heard what attributes are assigned to BC... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Why would they be TBers if they didn't believe that TM was the best thing since sliced bread? Well, that's sorta the point, dude. For people who are part of many other organizations that teach meditation, it would never occur to them to think that their particular brand of meditation was the best or better than all others. The *reason* this would not have occurred to them is that, unlike in the TMO, they were never *told* that their technique was the best, over and over and over and over and over and over, for years and years and decades. The latter approach is called brainwashing, dude. That the people who have been subjected to it believe that their technique is best says nothing whatsoever about the technique, only about the effectiveness of the brainwashing. True Believers are *created*. They don't just happen. You believe that TM is the best because you've been TOLD that so often, for so many years. And sadly, you still don't realize this... I'm well-aware of teh mechanism. However, being brainwashed doesn't preclude being correct... IF it were correct, why would it be necessary to try to convince its practitioners that it was the best? Why would it be necessary to claim it was, over and over and over and over and over? Why would it be necessary to browbeat its prac- titioners to make them afraid to try any other technique of meditation or even sit in the same room with someone practicing another technique of meditation, so that some comparison might be made? Let's face it, dude...you've been brainwashed. You've been told to look down on any form of meditation other than TM, so you do. And the amazing thing is, you do all this with- out *ever* having tried any of these other techniques yourself, to see if what you were told is true. You consider giving them a try to be off the program and dangerous and somehow disrespectful to Maharishi, right? And you think all these ideas are your own. Yeah, right. Well no, the ideas certainly aren't my own. The concept resonates in a truethy way within me. And I don't claim to be certain of my intuitions: I'm the guy who sold Apple stock at 1/30th of its present value for no good reason, and managed to convince my stockbroker to unload $100K worth of Intel shares during the hieght of the fdiv bug thing (last time he spoke to me, it was VERY difficult for him to maintain a polite tone in his voice). Don't EVER trust my judgement, unless you want to play a contrarian. OTOH, what's a True Believer to do? Assume that I'm NEVER right and always do the opposite of what my gut tells me? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Who is Spartacus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 4, 2006, at 9:32 PM, geezerfreak wrote: Good lord peoplethe paranoia! No, I am not Barry. I don't who Barry is... Uh, huh, sure, that's what they all say...next thing you know you'll be telling us your name is Bevan Morris or something... No, I am Bevan Morris. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
'bhakta' - adj. divided into parts, separate, devoted, engrossed, attentive, attached, cooked, pious; n.mas. a votary, a devout person, a worshipper, a follower. Incidentally, I ommitted to mention that connecting my own database dictionary of Hindi Sanskrit words, I then use a specially evolved program to connect to MSaccess. The program is called 'HandiHindi Gizmo (TM)'. If this program were developed it could greatly assist translaters, and eventually might even be able to offer up some basic MT (machine translation). If, maybe, etc but as LB mentioned there is more than science to translation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: [...] And the translation refers to the one who was going to the guru as a guru-bhakt at least TM teacher / gov. We do, or have, followed a teacher/guru. Bhakti means love/worship/etc. Many TM teachers, and most meditators/sidhas, are NOT in a guru-bhkti relationship with MMY, or so I believe. Unless, of course, the term bhakti changes radically when added to guru which doesn't seem likely. I was going by Paul's translation of guru-bhak, follower. Paul what was your reasoning/ basis for saying followeer and not devotee. It occured to me that a full-on bhakti relation might be implied. And it also occurred me that, in an indian 1940's context, many if not most of the regular householder folk, flocking to see SBS once or twice a year, would be considered guru-bhaks, followers,even devotees. Even, and perhaps specifically, the cooks, carpenters, shopkeepers, policmen etc who saw him infrequently, and many who never had a personal audience with him. They may have done guru puja to him every morning. They may have fully prostrated themselves on the ground before him. Thats a devotee in my book. Yet not a 24/7 staffer. I would look to translators, interpretors, cultural historians, and 80 year old hindus for clarification. Until then, you will have your read of it, I will have mine. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin claims Super Radiance effect on stock market.
(snip) --- n [EMAIL PROTECTED], purushaz purushaz@ wrote: MONDAY, AUGUST 21, 2006 Tune In, Turn On, Outperform? Edited by ROBIN GOLDWYN BLUMENTHAL THERE MAY NOT BE A MATHEMATICAL WAY to beat the market, but early returns of an intriguing new study show another way could be possible -- better returns through active consciousness-raising. It all relates to the effect produced when a critical mass of people gets together to practice advanced Transcendental Meditation, producing an underlying field of pure consciousness, known as the Maharishi Effect, after the physicist who introduced TM in the U.S. nearly 50 years ago. That's funny, couple of days ago, heard Matt Drudge on the radio; About how, he says: it's been a kind of boring summer, and everything's just fizzling out. Like the recent hurricaine, and the uncovering of the hijacking plot, and just nothings gathering up any negative emotion, for too long, something like that...he says... So, who knows To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Innocence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great Post, Thanks... R.G. It was thinking the mantra in a certain area of the body. It is one of the last advanced techniques. I can see why the term chakra was not used because chakra for most people is just a concept that could confuse things. I also got it that way. There is certainly an advanced technique were you have to have your attention at a certain area. If it's the exact location of the (heart)-chakra is another question. I was pointed to an anatomical spot, that is not normally considered to be the heart center, but its close enough.Kunyaka Just be innocent with it. Take it as it comes. I have found these useful guides in life as well as meditation. And with TM and other spiritual practices comes innocence -- which is to me, a looking at every new situation and occurence without preconceptions, without the boundaries of past mental structures, models, preferences and inclination. Just see what is. Later, as appropriate, one can apply all past learning, models, insights etc. to evaluate the new perception. But in the first moment or each new instance -- just be innocent, take it as it comes. I mention this, because of Trinity's statement, I was pointed to an anatomical spot, that is not normally considered to be the heart center, but its close enough. I may have had similiar inpterpretations as Trinity at one point, and thus I am as much an example of loss of innonence as this current example. While I like Trinity and his posts, -- and we appear to have similar views and experience on some key things (like the non-ownership of action, the self-sufficent domains of mind, memory and intellect) -- the above statement appears to me as symptomatic of something odd -- though quite pervasive amongst posters -- and most people I know, and commentators i read or hear. It is pervassive in modern life. (And I am probably misunderstanding Trinity's point and his statement above may not even apply.) However, the statements apparent meaning is a great example of what I am referring to -- and is such a huge key to things, IMO. Let me explain. I know there is a looseness of understanding about this particular advanced technique. (And perhaps different teachers were given instructions to teach different things -- but that doesn't seem to fit in this example.) I received a technique some stages beyond the one in question. The teacher asked about my prior techniques, my instructions, etc. I mentioned, perhaps in fuzzy ways, the location. And talked a lot about it. I kept raising the point in various ways, subtle and explicit about the region being near the heart and isn't it really the heart we are talking about. He was very explicit and literally punched me in the correct spot. Which is not a chakra location (unless they move, :)). I got it. I had not been totally innocent about the original instruction and had superimposed my knowledge of what MMY (via Satynand) MUST have meant in the oringinal instruction. I realized the actual instruction had nothing (explicit) to do with chakras -- I just let my preconceptions enter into it. This example is insightful, to me, because we live in a sea of preconceptions -- ours and others -- internal models, KNOWING what must be, knowing what MMY really meant, etc. And such insights are quite compelling. Often stemming from a deep level -- and with it an unshakeable truth signiture -- and an assurance that this is correct. All the pieces fall together. An energy is created. Its like a light goes on (the perverbial light bulb in the head of cartoons). And yet, per this example, its all wrong. Its just some preconception, perhaps feed by the awesome energy of suble ego, that makes it so compelling and a self-explanatory truth. Which is ultimately false. A powerful illusion. I see so many exchanges in posts where people simply are not reading whats on the page. Particular words or concepts appear to trigger deep impressions or models of something else and they start to respond to that something else -- not what has been said to them. And I recall so many conversations and exchanges in social life -- and corporate life, where the same phenomenon occurs. What is interesting, noteworthy -- IMO, if not odd, is that this apparent lack of innocence, this reacting to things in their minds, not what has been said or written, is as prevelant, sometimes more, among those who interpret their experiences as being enlightened, sometimes being in Brahman Consciousness -- whether the type defined by MMY or by themselves -- still something high and glorious. In my, perhaps quite naive and limited view, what good are these exaulted states if there is no (sweet, simple) innocence in their lives, in their views, in at least their first glances or first reads of
[FairfieldLife] 'Chakras Such'
I thought it might be a good idea; To discuss people's experience with Chakras; Since Maharishi, hasn't discussed this much; Perhaps, those who wish to share some of these experiences may be helpful... I remember Maharishi, was more impressed with 'regular' experiences; As opposed to the 'flashy' ones; so hence... But for those, who have the ability to see auras and such; Perhaps those could add to the knowledge of Chakras... One of my experience, is to imagine a 'hallow of light' above your head- To open the 'Crown Chakra'. Another is to imagine the 'Heart Chakra' as being a point of focus; Of 'Bright Light'. And, connecting the two: The 'Light above, flowing through the heart; With eyes open this can be done, also... R.G. Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] I am everywhere, I am omnipresent
'Swami' Sattyanand speaks on Guru Dev:- 'When in 1953 Guru Dev left this mortal frame and attained nirvana I was at Banares, another place of pilgrimage for Hindus, and at that moment I was staying in the ashram of Guru Dev. Everybody knew that I am very attached to Guru Dev and devoted to Guru Dev, and then news came to Benares that Guru Dev has attained nirvana. I was sitting somewhere with a group of my friends and the news was relayed there. When my friends heard that Guru Dev was no more they were very anxious about me and when they conveyed that news, they were rather alert to appraise whatever reaction is and what happened I simply, when I heard that news I became very sad, very sorry and I just kept my head on the table before me. And all of them were very anxious what will become of me. But soon after, while I was very morose, sorrow, sad, entire world was empty for me and I did not understand what to do without Guru Dev, just a half a minute or two seconds after a flash came and it appeared to me that Guru Dev was scolding me; What a fool you are! You have been with me for all these many months and years, and you heard my discourses too. Is it a moment of feeling sorry? Why should you be sorry today? And you think that I am gone, where am I gone? Till now whenever you wanted to meet me you had, you had to come to the place where I was, and today when I have attained nirvana, I am everywhere, I am omnipresent. Where have I gone? Very foolish for you to mourn on this occasion. I am with you, here, there, everywhere. Why should you be sorry? And the moment this flash came my face became very brilliant, I became very cheerful. And when I raised my head, my friends who were standing there very anxious and held in suspense, they were upset to see my brilliant and cheerful face. And then they said, What has happened to you? I said, No you can't understand, nothing has happened to me, I am alright, now let me go back to the ashram and make the necessary arrangements.' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Spartacus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Sep 4, 2006, at 9:32 PM, geezerfreak wrote: Good lord peoplethe paranoia! No, I am not Barry. I don't who Barry is... Uh, huh, sure, that's what they all say...next thing you know you'll be telling us your name is Bevan Morris or something... No, I am Bevan Morris. :-) I'm Bevan. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Jim, you should probably keep this particular seeing in mind next time you start to believe that your perceptions about things are correct... Yeah, you got me ;-) Evaluate my supposed state of consciousness. YOU should evaluate it. Many times here on FFL you have merely assumed that because you perceived something, it was true. I don't think that is a safe assumption, about any individual or any state of consciousness. Anyone can be wrong, and the more certain they seem to be about being right, the more likely it probably is that they aren't. Have you figured out what this is all about yet, Jim? It's about you still being angry because I pointed out that you have a certain fear of and aversion to strong language. You reacted to my suggestion that you have such an aversion with, You create enemies, and in your mind obviously, I had created one in you by just speaking an obvious truth. I chose not to reply to that silliness, and the *next* thing you write to me or about me here on FFL is to claim that I'm the same person as geezerfreak. You don't see a connection there? Jim, you assume that a gentleman you've never even been in the same room with (MMY) is enlight- ened because you feel that it's true. You assume that you have a certain relationship with Guru Dev becaue you feel that to be true, too. *And*, as far as I can tell because you still had your panties in a twist because I pointed out that you've got some prudish ideas about language, you assumed that I was pretending to be someone else because you felt that to be true. Perception is *colored* by emotion and pre- existing belief and any number of other factors, Jim. You've still got LOTS of all these things going for you, and coloring your own. If I were you, I'd stop automatically assuming that your perceptions are true just because they're your perceptions. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Innocence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also got it that way. There is certainly an advanced technique were you have to have your attention at a certain area. If it's the exact location of the (heart)-chakra is another question. I was pointed to an anatomical spot, that is not normally considered to be the heart center, but its close enough.Kunyaka Just be innocent with it. Take it as it comes. I have found these useful guides in life as well as meditation. And with TM and other spiritual practices comes innocence -- which is to me, a looking at every new situation and occurence without preconceptions, without the boundaries of past mental structures, models, preferences and inclination. Just see what is. Later, as appropriate, one can apply all past learning, models, insights etc. to evaluate the new perception. But in the first moment or each new instance -- just be innocent, take it as it comes. I mention this, because of Trinity's statement, I was pointed to an anatomical spot, that is not normally considered to be the heart center, but its close enough. I may have had similiar inpterpretations as Trinity at one point, and thus I am as much an example of loss of innonence as this current example. While I like Trinity and his posts, -- and we appear to have similar views and experience on some key things (like the non-ownership of action, the self-sufficent domains of mind, memory and intellect) -- the above statement appears to me as symptomatic of something odd -- though quite pervasive amongst posters -- and most people I know, and commentators i read or hear. It is pervassive in modern life. (And I am probably misunderstanding Trinity's point and his statement above may not even apply.) However, the statements apparent meaning is a great example of what I am referring to -- and is such a huge key to things, IMO. Hi new morning, You may have misunderstood me here. I also, like many here think this is a great post of yours. I did not mean to say, that the point is the heart chakra. My post was also with reference to another post of Lawson, who had said that there is no technique at all, were on would have one's attention at a physical location. My post was only meant to confirm that there is, or actually was. I got this technique about a year before I left Purusha from Nandkishore. He showed me the exact location, and denied it was the heart, it actually isn't. To be honest with you, I never practised this technique, it just didn't fit. I just had had major openings in a completely different area, at the top of my head, or rather above. I would have had to force myself to do it the way Nandk. indicated. I asked him about that, that my awareness would be automatically drawn to a different area, but he insisted, I should do it the prescribed way. This was no option for me, and I simply dismissed it. Now I hear that the technique is not taught in this way anymore, for whatever reason. For me, it continues that the shakti moves within my system, and my awareness is automatically directed in this way. This does involve what I would call chakras, mostly the anahata, the sahasrada and the anja. The sahasrada is dominant, the heart comes second, and the anja, inbetween, almost a connecting link is third. The explanations which work for me best, is that of Sri Aurobindo. I am saying that this is so for me, I am not suggesting that others should copy this, in fact this would be impossible, like it would be impossible for me, to do it otherwise. It's simply the way it 'happens' for me. So, comparing it to how TM used to be, before these experiences, I would call it a soft, gradual approach. The transcending, as I used to experience was a gradual quieting, and then slipping into something 'larger', a space of pure awareness. Now, it is more like a switch, more sudden, can occure at different times, and is accompanied by a very powerful energy. There are actually different switches. This energy is always with me, in different strength. I am just pointing this out, that my experience is very different from before, and that it's going its own way. snipped the rest of your brilliant post To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Laurel Hardy-Reincarnated and Performing in NYC
Do you know what the word research means? --- artkonrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Fairfield Life, I haven't posted in over a year. Thought you would like an update on what my meditator friend Dr. Walter Semkiw is doing with his reincarnation research. He has published two books now, has established a research institute to bring more intense use of science into this field, and he has found some entertaining life matches like the current incarnations of Marilyn Monroe and Anne Frank which you can find on his website: http://www.johnadams.net/index.html Here below is a match found by another author, but confirmed by Walter's research. Those of you in or near New York can go see the reincarnations of Stan and Ollie perform... http://www.expertclick.com/NewsReleaseWire/default.cfm? Actionfiltered=ReleaseDetailID=13700NRWid=5361 Laurel Hardy-Reincarnated and Performing in NYC The beloved comedy team of Laurel Hardy is alive, well and making audiences laugh just as hard as before, according to Walter Semkiw, MD, author of Born Again and Return of the Revolutionaries. The reincarnation of Laurel Hardy, identified as Josh and Danny Bacher, are featured in Born Again, which was recently released in India and covered on CNN. In his books, Dr. Semkiw reviews independently researched reincarnation cases, including two published by Ian Stevenson, MD, at the University of Virginia, which demonstrate that from lifetime to lifetime, people have the same facial features, personality traits, passions and talents, and that people incarnate in karmic soul groups. In addition to independently researched cases, additional cases were derived through Kevin Ryerson, the trance medium who has been featured in Out on a Limb and other books written by Shirley MacLaine. In working with him over a period of years, Dr. Semkiw found that accurate past life matches could be established through Mr. Ryerson. An especially compelling case solved in this manner involves Neale Donald Walsch, author of the best selling Conversations with God series, who agreed to be featured in Return of the Revolutionaries as the reincarnation of Reverend William Walter. This case, as well as others solved through Kevin Ryerson can be viewed at: http://www.johnadams.net/cases/samples/Walsch/index.html When Dr. Semkiw realized accurate identifications of reincarnated individuals could also be made through Kevin Ryerson, one pair of interest was Laurel Hardy, who were subsequently confirmed to have reincarnated as Josh and Danny Bacher. The Bacher Boys will be performing in New York City at the Theater for the New City, September 7th-October 1st, 2006 (details provided below). The Laurel Hardy cases demonstrate principles of reincarnation observed in numerous other cases researched by Dr. Semkiw and others. These include: #61472;Consistent facial features (primarily we look at Bone Structure - see image with facial comparisons) #61472;Consistent talents and passions- In their Off Broadway premier in January 2006, the Bacher Boys created their own silent movie, which had the audience in stitches. In creating a silent movie and incorporating vaudeville type skits in their program, the Bacher Boys replicated the comedic development of Laurel Hardy. This phenomenon is also observed in the case of Alexandra Nechita, also featured in Born Again, who is identified as the reincarnation of Pablo Picasso. Alexandra, who has been featured on Oprah and CBS Sunday Morning, was a childhood artistic prodigy who has replicated the artistic development of Picasso. #61472;Affinity cases-in these types of reincarnation cases, individuals are naturally attracted to their own past life personas. On such case involves Halle Berry, who has been identified as the reincarnation of Dorothy Dandridge. Similarly, Josh and Danny Bacher were naturally attracted to Laurel Hardy since they were toddlers. #61472;Karmic grouping-though Stan Laurel was from England and Oliver Hardy was from Georgia, this team managed to reincarnate as two brothers in New Jersey. Dr. Semkiw attended the Bacher Boys Off Broadway debut in January 2006 and observed that Stan/Josh and Ollie/Danny are as funny as ever and they relate to each other as they did before. Even if you don't believe in reincarnation, attend their show and experience a classic comedy treat. Performance details are provided below: The Funniest Show in the World About the History of Comedy Performed by Two Brothers in Less Than Two Hours for Under Twenty Bucks, Written and directed by and starring Josh Bacher and Danny Bacher September 7th-October 1st, 2006 Thursdays-Saturdays at 8pm, Sundays at 3pm Theater for the New City www.theaterforthenewcity.net 155
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 9/3/06 3:48 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Did you know that at the side toward Viv. island, at the
temple walls lived a great Avadhuta, Mayi Amma? She is on one
of the
early videos of Ammachi who visited her.
There are some cool stories about that trip in one of the early
books about
her. She is purported to have levitated in front of the group that was
traveling with her.
Really, I haven't heard this before. I have one friend, who lives in
Pondy who meat her early on. He describes her as 'raw Shakti'. Here is
a photo I found on the web:
http://archives.amritapuri.org/matruvani/pic_mv/amma_with_mayiamma.jpg
Very difficult to find anything about her at all on the web (partly
because her name is written in many different ways), even though she
is quite famous in the south. She was always surrounded by dogs, which
she would feed with prasad people brought her. This is in a way
typical for Avadhutas, as the archetype Avadhuta, Dattatreya, is
always pictured with dogs. To get an idea what an Avadhuta is: Famous
Avadhutas would be Shirdi Sai Baba, who by his Hindu devotees was
looked upon as an Avatar of Dattatreya, and Swami Nityananda, Guru to
Mukthananda. She wouldn't say anything sensible, if someone would ask
her: 'May I stay' or 'should I go' she would simply repeat the
question. She has healed many people.
There is one very juicy story about her: Somebody went to Ammachi,a nd
complained about stomach pain. He had it since ten years. She asked
him if he had ever seen Mayi Ma. He said yes. She asked if it was abou
ten years ago, just before the pain started. He again confirmed.
Ammachi then asked him if he was offered Prasad by her, and again he
confirmed. She asked him if he actually took it, and he denied. Now,
you must understand, and my friend very grafically described it to me,
that she would feed the dogs with her own hands the prasad people
brought. She would actually put it into their mouths, and there would
be moisture on her hands from the dog. Then with the same hand she
would give prasad to another person, and as my friend pointed out 'You
had to take it'. When Ammachi heard that he had declined to take the
prasad more than 10 years ago, she told the man to go back to Mayi Ma
and take prasad, which he did, and then he was cured of the stomach
pain. Anybody having stomach pain here?
When I was in Kanyakumari, I also visited a place called
Marutvamallai, a mountain, were there is a samadhi of another saint
callaed Nayana, which also plays prominently in Ammachis biography, i
think he called her 'Kali'. The mountain is regarded as holy and has
caves. I met there an Indian Swami, friend of my friend in Pondy, who
frequently goes to Thiruvannamalia. I think his name is Thannu or
Thannupillai Swami. He is well educated and speaks english well. he
told me about Mayi Ma, and he knew Ammachi, when she was still quite
unknown. He said that she had a guru, also an Avadhuta, I think he is
the one who appears in the book by Nealu ('Road to Freedom, II'), who
comes in the village of Ammachi regularly, and hugs all the women, and
the men close all their wifes away, but Ammachi recognizes that he is
a true saint. I believe she retained the hugging habit by him. He is
not called a guru in the book, but simply a saint she met.
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[FairfieldLife] 'Is Couric Enlightened?'
A couple of years ago, I remember watching, 'The Today Show'; And I was noticing how spontaneous, and focused Katie Couric seemed to be. I was even noticing the possibility that she was experiencing enlightenment; In noticing how she would phrase things, as though she was 'witnessing'. It was just my feeling at the time; but it would be interesting to have an; Enlightened Newscaster who is as big as it gets in the news business. Good Luck Sri Kai-tee...The CBS EVENING NEWS WITH KATIE COURIC debuts Tuesday, Sept. 5 (6:30-7:00 PM, ET/PT). __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secularized vs. vedic terminology [was: Is opening the third eye (Ajna)...]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Yup, he [Maharishi] secularized a lot of the stuff. For instance, creative intelligence for Shakti. sparaig replied: I don't think he uses creative intelligence as a translation of Shakti. I think it's more a translation of Brahma. t3rinity further responded: I agree with Bhairitu: It [creative intelligence] is Shakti. Think of this SCI lecture, where he [Maharishi] speaks about: when Awareness becomes aware of itself, then intelligence becomes creative. Here intelligence is Shiva and creativity is Shakti. Brahma is more like an executive function, but he can only create because he has Shakti. For the sake of accuracy, the words used in SCI #8 actually are: When existence becomes conscious, then intelligence becomes intelligent, on the way to assuming its role as creative intelligence. Thank you Michael, I wouldn't have known the proper wording anymore. So if intelligence is Shiva and creativity [creative intelligence] is Shakti - Let's fill in the whole sequence...there seem to be five steps or layers or aspects: When (1) existence becomes (2) conscious, then (3) intelligence be- comes (4) intelligent, on the way to assuming its role as (5) creative intelligence. (1) What is existence before it becomes conscious? Shiva, inert (2) What is existence once it's become conscious? Shiva, but conscious (3) What is intelligence before it becomes intelligent? [you said Shiva] Same as 1),Shiva, there is a paralelism in the two statements (4) What is intelligence once it's become intelligent? Again Shiva, but now awake. (5) What is creative intelligence? [you said Shakti] Yes Shakti. The moment we say 'becomes' it is Shakti involved, as Shakti and Shiva are regarded as inseparable, like fire and heat. You can ask: 'What is fire?' and 'What is heat?', but in reality they are inseparable. Therefore, I am on absolutely safe grounds here. Because Shiva is everything, and Shakti is one with Shiva. Shiva is basically pure existence, the noumen, Shakti is movement, the eternal becoming, the phenomen. You may remember a lecture, where Maharishi speaks of the Absolute being 'on the move' In this example M. pictures the Fullness of Fullness being afraid of emptiness, and out of this fear of emptiness, it moves. The emptiness is basically another word for Maya, and Maya again is the Shakti of Vedanta. The Divine Mother is equally called Mahamaya and Mahashakti. There maybe other technical concepts in Sanskrit to which Maharishi refers to in SCI 8, quite possible from Kashmir Shaivaism, but I think its quite save to see in it Shiva and Shakti. About the inert Shiva: There is the famous picture of Kali (time) dancing on the corpse of Shiva. Also, this time not Shiva, but Narayana (nevertheless the same principle of the noumen in Vaishnava terminology), who wakes up at the beginning of creation, having slept during pralaya. This also shows that the noumen can have two states, one awake, and one inert. Namaste, Michael PARA - THE CENTER FOR REALIZATION and THE RELATIONSHIP INSTITUTE Michael Dean Goodman, Ph.D., D.D., Director Boca Raton (Palm Beach County) Florida 561-350-3930 (messages received 24 hours a day) * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spiritual guide (ashtanga yoga/meditation, tantra, vedanta, ayur veda...) Counselor * Author * Speaker/Educator Satsang * Workshops Retreats * Classes * Private Educational Sessions Clients and programs throughout the United States, Europe, and India Working in person or by phone Free initial consultation to discuss your needs and goals To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laurel Hardy-Reincarnated and Performing in NYC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know what the word research means? Sure. Same thing it means in the TMO. Start with some weird ideas that you believe are true (often for no other reason than because someone told you they were true), and then look around at the world and try your best to fit the round pegs you see there into the square holes of your ideas. :-) --- artkonrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Fairfield Life, I haven't posted in over a year. Thought you would like an update on what my meditator friend Dr. Walter Semkiw is doing with his reincarnation research. He has published two books now, has established a research institute to bring more intense use of science into this field, and he has found some entertaining life matches like the current incarnations of Marilyn Monroe and Anne Frank which you can find on his website: http://www.johnadams.net/index.html Here below is a match found by another author, but confirmed by Walter's research. Those of you in or near New York can go see the reincarnations of Stan and Ollie perform... http://www.expertclick.com/NewsReleaseWire/default.cfm? Actionfiltered=ReleaseDetailID=13700NRWid=5361 Laurel Hardy-Reincarnated and Performing in NYC The beloved comedy team of Laurel Hardy is alive, well and making audiences laugh just as hard as before, according to Walter Semkiw, MD, author of Born Again and Return of the Revolutionaries. The reincarnation of Laurel Hardy, identified as Josh and Danny Bacher, are featured in Born Again, which was recently released in India and covered on CNN. In his books, Dr. Semkiw reviews independently researched reincarnation cases, including two published by Ian Stevenson, MD, at the University of Virginia, which demonstrate that from lifetime to lifetime, people have the same facial features, personality traits, passions and talents, and that people incarnate in karmic soul groups. In addition to independently researched cases, additional cases were derived through Kevin Ryerson, the trance medium who has been featured in Out on a Limb and other books written by Shirley MacLaine. In working with him over a period of years, Dr. Semkiw found that accurate past life matches could be established through Mr. Ryerson. An especially compelling case solved in this manner involves Neale Donald Walsch, author of the best selling Conversations with God series, who agreed to be featured in Return of the Revolutionaries as the reincarnation of Reverend William Walter. This case, as well as others solved through Kevin Ryerson can be viewed at: http://www.johnadams.net/cases/samples/Walsch/index.html When Dr. Semkiw realized accurate identifications of reincarnated individuals could also be made through Kevin Ryerson, one pair of interest was Laurel Hardy, who were subsequently confirmed to have reincarnated as Josh and Danny Bacher. The Bacher Boys will be performing in New York City at the Theater for the New City, September 7th-October 1st, 2006 (details provided below). The Laurel Hardy cases demonstrate principles of reincarnation observed in numerous other cases researched by Dr. Semkiw and others. These include: #61472;Consistent facial features (primarily we look at Bone Structure - see image with facial comparisons) #61472;Consistent talents and passions- In their Off Broadway premier in January 2006, the Bacher Boys created their own silent movie, which had the audience in stitches. In creating a silent movie and incorporating vaudeville type skits in their program, the Bacher Boys replicated the comedic development of Laurel Hardy. This phenomenon is also observed in the case of Alexandra Nechita, also featured in Born Again, who is identified as the reincarnation of Pablo Picasso. Alexandra, who has been featured on Oprah and CBS Sunday Morning, was a childhood artistic prodigy who has replicated the artistic development of Picasso. #61472;Affinity cases-in these types of reincarnation cases, individuals are naturally attracted to their own past life personas. On such case involves Halle Berry, who has been identified as the reincarnation of Dorothy Dandridge. Similarly, Josh and Danny Bacher were naturally attracted to Laurel Hardy since they were toddlers. #61472;Karmic grouping-though Stan Laurel was from England and Oliver Hardy was from Georgia, this team managed to reincarnate as two brothers in New Jersey. Dr. Semkiw attended the Bacher Boys Off Broadway debut in January 2006 and observed that Stan/Josh and Ollie/Danny are as funny as ever and they relate to each other as they did before. Even if
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 9/3/06 3:48 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you know that at the side toward Viv. island, at thetemple walls lived a great Avadhuta, Mayi Amma? She is on one of theearly videos of Ammachi who visited her. There are some cool stories about that trip in one of the early books about her. She is purported to have levitated in front of the group that was traveling with her.Just doing my usual 5-minute-Google-and-impress-Barry, I still found more photos of Mayiamma on a forum , with more cool stories, like this one: 'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right into the sea and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend.. Then She would come out bringing a lot of deep water weeds withHer. When She was asked why She brought them out, She replied "I amcleaning the ocean"!' In the photos, Mayi Amma is to the left. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip You must have forgotten my assertion that there is no such thing as MMY/TMO style of enlightenment. This just gets stranger and stranger. Unless you are playing sematically games, or simply don't get the concept that MMY has defined specific attributes of what he means by enlightenemnt, UC and BC. I get the sense that the two of you aren't understanding the word style the same way. new morning, what I get from your use of the phrase MMY style of enlightenment is enlightenment as MMY defines/describes it. Jim, I think, understands you to be saying that enlightenment as defined/described by MMY is not the same *state* as enlightenment as defined/described by Amma, which is not the same state as enlightenment as defined/described by SSRS, or by SBS, or whoever. Would you agree, new morning, that while different teachers define/describe that state differently, all who are enlightened may be in the same state? Is there a parallel to the metaphor the map is not the territory, i.e., that different teachers may be using different maps for the same territory? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I don't think that is a safe assumption, about any individual or any state of consciousness. Anyone can be wrong, and the more certain they seem to be about being right, the more likely it probably is that they aren't. Another of Barry's Rules. It applies primarily to those whose assumptions are different from those of Barry, of course. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 9/3/06 3:48 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you know that at the side toward Viv. island, at the temple walls lived a great Avadhuta, Mayi Amma? She is on one of the early videos of Ammachi who visited her. Sorry don't want to be obtruisve, but here is a color photo of her (I post it because its hard to find) http://www.saisadguruvani.org/images/211.jpg On the same page the another photo of another Avadhuta, Sri Anusaya Mata http://www.saisadguruvani.org/images/222.jpg she lived until recently, the same friend had visited her and told me about her. These are children of God, with basically zero mind. Anusaya was the mother of Dattatreya.(first time I see anything about her on the web) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right into the sea and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend.. The gospel according to t3rinity. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: 'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right into the sea and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend.. The gospel according to t3rinity. lurk Yeah, right. Christianity has it all wrong. Jesus walked under the water, not on it... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip True Believers are *created*. They don't just happen. You believe that TM is the best because you've been TOLD that so often, for so many years. And sadly, you still don't realize this... I'm well-aware of teh mechanism. However, being brainwashed doesn't preclude being correct... IF it were correct, why would it be necessary to try to convince its practitioners that it was the best? Why would it be necessary to claim it was, over and over and over and over and over? I don't think this is an accurate description, but that's another issue. In any case, to the extent I understood that TM was being described as the best, I took it with a very large saltshaker. It didn't really figure into my thinking until I'd had considerable experience with the practice. But at some point I had an Aha!-type realization. *This* (my experience of the technique) is why they say it's the best (actually more like the most efficient technique available for householders). To use a negative analogy, it's like a teenager being told it's dangerous to drive when drunk. The teenager doesn't pay any attention until one day when he's driving drunk, he narrowly avoids running off the road, and he can very clearly see that being drunk is what put him in danger. Oh, so *that's* why they say it's dangerous to drive drunk! It isn't that he's been brainwashed into thinking it's dangerous, it's that what he's been told has suddenly been validated by his own experience. Of course, the analogy is loaded, in that there's plenty of objective evidence that driving while drunk is dangerous. I'm just trying to describe the recognition mechanism for an individual. Why would it be necessary to browbeat its prac- titioners to make them afraid to try any other technique of meditation or even sit in the same room with someone practicing another technique of meditation, so that some comparison might be made? I never had any sense of *fear* in this regard. Once I'd had my Aha! experience, it seemed like merely a practical consideration. If what I'm doing is the best, why bother with anything else? (Nor, for that matter, did I ever feel browbeaten on this point.) What's virtually impossible to explain is why one might conclude on the basis of one's own experience, with no or minimal experience of other techniques, that TM is the best to someone who hasn't had the Aha! experience. I've used a similar analogy to Jim's of walking vs. crawling: if you know how to ride a bicycle, it really doesn't make sense to try other methods of riding a bicycle, such as propelling it with your feet on the ground, or running alongside it, then leaping on and resting your feet on the pedals while it coasts. It's just self-evident that turning the pedals with your feet is the most effective way to get somewhere on a bicycle; there's simply no need to try other methods. But with TM, this is a *subjective* experience of how the mind works (not of mental content but rather the mechanics of the thinking process), just as it becomes self-evident that turning the pedals makes the wheels turn and propels the bicycle forward--but entirely inside your own head, where you can't demonstrate it to anybody else. Let's face it, dude...you've been brainwashed. You've been told to look down on any form of meditation other than TM, so you do. And the amazing thing is, you do all this with- out *ever* having tried any of these other techniques yourself, to see if what you were told is true. You consider giving them a try to be off the program and dangerous and somehow disrespectful to Maharishi, right? Disrespectful to Maharishi?? I seriously doubt Lawson worries about its being disrespectful. I certainly don't. Nor would I consider it dangerous except insofar as it might inhibit my practice of TM--and again, not because I've been told this, but because my experience of TM makes it self-evident. Just as, if I wanted to get somewhere as soon as possible, I wouldn't fool around with another method of riding a bicycle. And you think all these ideas are your own. Ideas based on personal experience, in my case, at least. Yeah, right. Funny how Barry's Trust your own experience mantra is so easily discarded when it comes to someone's experience of TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: 'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right into the sea and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend.. The gospel according to t3rinity. Either that or the kind of writing that should carry a label that says, WARNING: Disengage mind before reading. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM
Funny how Barry's Trust your own experience mantra is so easily discarded when it comes to someone's experience of TM. Funny how the TM is the best technique of meditation in the world mantra seems to spring so easily to the lips of those who have never in their lives learned another. Oh, excuse me...except something they read in a book and tried once or twice *before* they learned TM, after which they mysteriously became convinced that to try anything else would be beneath them. No...not a bit of brainwashing here, no. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: 'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right into the sea and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend.. The gospel according to t3rinity. Either that or the kind of writing that should carry a label that says, WARNING: Disengage mind before reading. :-) Tsa, tsa, still reading my posts? Lurker forgot the reference that I was simply quoting from a message board verbatim. But as it is, you are a nasty little pile of shit, who doesn't want to miss an opportunity to dump on anyone. Can't repeat it often enough. And now go back to your True-Blue-Believer-drawing-board. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: MMY defines fully mature Unity as ability to perform all sidhis without benefit of practicing a sutra. I don't believe anyone is in that state today, if ever there was someone. That is one of my points. And there is a long thread on this about a month ago. As some (Judy, for example) pointed out,and I agree, its virtually a truism that to claim MMY/TMO style of enlightenment, one needs to fulfill TMO/MMY criteria. Its so obvious, its hard to believe that some dispute this almost identity statement, like A=A. You must have forgotten my assertion that there is no such thing as MMY/TMO style of enlightenment. Following the logic you are using, SSRS must have achieved SSRS style enlightenment, Mother Meera must have achieved Mother Meera style enlightenment, Amma must have achieved Amma style enlightenment, Maharishi must have achieved Maharishi style enlightenment, and finally Guru Dev must have achieved Guru Dev style enlightenment. Continuing with your logic, each of these saints' respective enlightenments has its exclusive criteria, not shared by any other saint's style of enlightenment. In no case is there a one-to-one correspondence of criteria between say, one saint's enlightenment, and that of another. No saint would be able to ever acknowledge a fellow saint's state of consciousness as enlightened, because according to your logic, there are not any substantial commonalities between one saint's style of enlightenment and another saint's style of enlightenment. So again, I reject your notion that there is such a thing as a MMY/TMO style of enlightenment. It is enlightenment, pure and simple. Whether it is Maharishi, or SSRS, or Mother Meera, or Amma, or Guru Dev, it is just pure and simple enlightenment. I'm certainly no great scholar of enlightenment traditions, but my take on this is that there's a fundamental quality of awakening, common to all awakening traditions, in the recognition of I AM THAT on the level of pure awareness. It's a shift away from being solely identified with the individuated, dual mind/body. However, there are also various qualities that have shown up in the awakened/enlightened, and those qualities then got tacked on to the definition of enlightenment. Examples of those qualities are things like witnessing 24/7, perfected siddhis, saintly purity, small self completely disappearing, etc. IMO, all these arguments about who is or isn't enlightened derive from enlightenment not being universally defined. In my case, I've had that fundamental shift in identity, but I don't qualify as enlightened according to the criteria of many traditions. That's why I never claim anything more than a Waking Down second birth awakening, which, by the way, is different than other flavors of awakening in that it's an embodied awakening. It's not a purely nondual, transcendence-focussed, disregard the relative kind of awakening. In Waking Down, you awaken very deeply to who you are as a limited, dual being in addition to who you are as consciousness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Huge Oil Discovery in Gulf...'
A new discovery of oil in the Gulf of Mexico; Cause the trading floor to go bananas, today; The new discovery, supposed to increase total reserves by 50%. Maharishi Effect? anyway, hopefully lower prices at the pimp. R.g. Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] 'Lennon documentary a hit at Venice'
Lennon documentary a hit at VeniceSeptember 4, 2006 A new documentary about John Lennon has proved the hit of the Venice Film Festival so far, the singer-songwriter's rage against American involvement in Vietnam resonating with relevance to today's Iraq conflict.A new documentary about John Lennon has proved the hit of the Venice Film Festival so far, the singer-songwriter's rage against American involvement in Vietnam resonating with relevance to today's Iraq conflict. Lennon's genius as an artist/activist shines through in The US Vs John Lennon, by documentary makers David Leaf and John Scheinfeld, which was warmly applauded at its first screening in Venice. The 99-minute film includes never-before-seen footage of Lennon and Yoko Ono and traces the artist's transformation from pop star to anti-war activist. And it details the ways in which the tarnished administration of President Richard Nixon tried to silence him. Perhaps the film's biggest achievement, in garnering footage of anti-war demonstrations of the 1960s and '70s, is to place Lennon's words and activism in the context of the time. Leaf insisted the movie was not made with Iraq specifically in mind, but said: "There's no way to watch this film without hearing echoes of the past with what is going on in the world today." The film has obvious resonances with the current era and the war in Iraq. By its championing of Lennon's poetic pacifism and political activism, the filmmakers silently point up the lack of such a charismatic figure around which the world could gather now. "The older people are asking 'Where is our John Lennon? Where is he now when we need him?"' says Leaf. "I answer them by saying 'He's in the movie'. He would say to us 'It is up to us to bring peace'." The current US president is mentioned only once in the film, but the remark by US writer/historian Gore Vidal drew applause from the audience. "The thing about John Lennon is that he represented life, and that is a good thing. Richard Nixon, and George Bush, represent death, and that is a bad thing." Vidal is one of more than 30 intellectuals, activists and journalists, including Carl Bernstein, Noam Chomsky, former New York governor Mario Cuomo, Walter Cronkite and Tariq Ali, featured in the film. Representatives of the Nixon administration who tried to silence Lennon, G Gordon Liddy and John Dean, also feature. That, and a soundtrack featuring Lennon's anti-war anthems like War is Over, If You Want It, Revolution and Imagine make the film compelling. The majority of the film's songs, 37 of the 40, come from his post-Beatles career and serve to advance the narrative and to offer commentary."We literally searched the world for every last bit of film of him. We wanted to make a movie that had no narrator, we wanted John to tell his own story. You have him telling you the story every step of the way," said Leaf. The documentary features Nixon telling the nation that US troops would be pulled out of Vietnam as local South Vietnamese allies gradually grew stronger, but refusing to give a date. "One cannot help but appreciate that we've heard that script before," Leaf told a press conference in Venice where the film is being screened in the Horizons section. There are obvious parallels too with the present day, "illegal wiretaps, constitutional rights being trampled and a war that isn't being fought for the reasons the president (Bush) said," Leaf added. Although Leaf and Scheinfeld - makers of biodocumentaries on Frank Sinatra and Bob Hope - have been kicking around the idea for years, they could not find a backer for the film. "It took the events of a post-9/11 America to give people the idea that this was a story that had a resonance now." "We should remember that John and Yoko didn't really have to do what they did. They were already the most famous couple in the world. "We live in an age where celebrity and media are omnipresent but only in the presence of 'selling something'. What John and Yoko did was sell peace." - AFP __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huge Oil Discovery in Gulf...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi Effect? anyway, hopefully lower prices at the pimp. The Maharishi Effect reduces the cost of hookers? Do some more research and get back to us on what the percentage of reduction is, Ok? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Is Couric Enlightened?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of years ago, I remember watching, 'The Today Show'; And I was noticing how spontaneous, and focused Katie Couric seemed to be. I was even noticing the possibility that she was experiencing enlightenment; In noticing how she would phrase things, as though she was 'witnessing'. It was just my feeling at the time; but it would be interesting to have an; Enlightened Newscaster who is as big as it gets in the news business. Good Luck Sri Kai-tee... The CBS EVENING NEWS WITH KATIE COURIC debuts Tuesday, Sept. 5 (6:30-7:00 PM, ET/PT). She's in PC...Perky Consciousness. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Today is the 5th Birthday of FairfieldLife
Title: Today is the 5th Birthday of FairfieldLife See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages/1 1159 Members 112,768 posts, an average of 22,553 per year, 62 per day Lets Party! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newsweek on Dawkins and Harris
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 9/3/06 10:23 PM, curtisdeltablues at curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Thanks for posting this, I would have missed it. I am so happy that this perspective is in the mainstream media and on a group like this. It speaks well for the open mindedness of both. I think at the end of the article they misjudged the number of people who have dropped the belief in any of the recently popular God ideas on earth. I am not a member of the American Atheists which they use as the low number of people who think this way. I can say that being an outspoken, positive atheist makes me a safe person for some people to express their spiritual doubts to. I have so often been pulled aside when I have expressed my lack of belief by someone who feels bullied by believers to tow the party line. I know that faith and mystical experience is cherished by many here on this group. I greatly appreciate that my lack of valuing these experiences and beliefs is accepted by most of the people I communicate with here. We all have our own reasons for including and excluding beliefs. Nobody believes everything. We are all on that same human mission to discover the meaning for our own lives. That is a much greater commonality than whatever specifics each of us has come up with so far. I consider myself and everyone here a work in progress. I enjoy hearing about and sharing what we are noticing along the way. This post made me feel really glad I check in here, thanks. Kumbaya baby. Thanks purushaz. I wish I had time to get into a serious discussion with you about this. Maybe some time in person. But here¹s my take in a nutshell. Essentially, these guys are objecting to the fanaticism that results from belief unsupported by experience. I very much believe in God, but I think belief without substantiating experience usually does more harm than good. It¹s still rare as a percentage of the world¹s population, but many have attained that level of experience, including some friends of mine. These people exist at the opposite end of the spectrum from religious fanatics, have a wonderful influence on the world around them, and would charm the socks off Dawkins and Harris. If guys like that (and yourself as well) could spend enough face time with the kind of people I¹m talking about, they would probably end up rethinking their perspective. When you do this, I hope you trot out people more substantial than Jim, Tom and Rory. :) Not a very innocent response from you, eh? Seems like you are just as guilty of reading things into someone's (Rick's in this case) comments as you often accuse others of doing... Your comments become more and more goofy Jim. I was making both a joke -- can you laugh* -- and making a light obvservation in the context of humor. Expressing an opinion. What does that having to do with lacking innocent view, per my discussions of it? It appears from your response, you may have no clue as what I am referring to as innocence of view. That sort of makes the point of my humor above. *Actually, I speculate if Rory read this he would laugh. It appears we were BOTH joking then- get it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is the 5th Birthday of FairfieldLife
Nice work Rick, congratulations! Get out your tablas and I'll bring the guitars. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages/1 1159 Members 112,768 posts, an average of 22,553 per year, 62 per day Let¹s Party! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huge Oil Discovery in Gulf...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Maharishi Effect? anyway, hopefully lower prices at the pimp. The Maharishi Effect reduces the cost of hookers? Do some more research and get back to us on what the percentage of reduction is, Ok? I think this must be a mistake. The MMY effect makes a pimp's hand stronger, which leads to an increase in prices for all services. Crack whore prices remain the same. (verified at 1:30am last night) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: Geezer, You have provided me with some great laughs - I like your sense of humor. thanks Thanks Wayback. Nice to meetcha. Here's something that I remembered a few days ago that got me chuckling. Some may not realize this but flying did not always involve foams pads and bouncy bouncy. I was in the very first group to do...um...research into this particular sutra. We (a select group of Selisbergers) sat in a circle of chairs trying it out. Needless to say, not much was happening. One day I rigged a coathanger in my tie in such a way that I could manipulate the tiecause it to levitate...with my hand in my pocket. The chosen did their thing the next afternoon and sure enough, as everyone was slowly opening their eyes, the end of my tie was floating aloft trying to get it's dim witted owner to follow suit. You could hear the collective gasps in the room as everyone came out. Only when I lost it and started laughing did the camp divide into those (thankfully many) who thought it hilarious and those (the usual sad sack hard core) who thought humor should be kept OUT of spiritual development. Achtung! There vill be no yokes.NO YOKING in this room from now on! Ahh yes, good times. Humor has its place, but in that context, you were out of line. That's Mel Brooks sort of humr, where Jesus prays for a sign and someone pulls a prank that leads to legends of miracles. Works in the movies but NOT in real life. Well, maybe the legend-of-miracles part. I was out of line? I guess that would put you in the sad sack hard core group then, wouldn't it. Got a question for you Sparaig..how many fingers can you get between your shirt collar and your neck? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: MMY defines fully mature Unity as ability to perform all sidhis without benefit of practicing a sutra. I don't believe anyone is in that state today, if ever there was someone. That is one of my points. And there is a long thread on this about a month ago. As some (Judy, for example) pointed out,and I agree, its virtually a truism that to claim MMY/TMO style of enlightenment, h one needs to fulfill TMO/MMY criteria. Its so obvious, its hard to believe that some dispute this almost identity statement, like A=A. You must have forgotten my assertion that there is no such thing as MMY/TMO style of enlightenment. This just gets stranger and stranger. Unless you are playing sematically games, or simply don't get the concept that MMY has defined specific attributes of what he means by enlightenemnt, UC and BC. All of us await your eventual proclamation of new.morning-style enlightenment. Perhaps you can list for us the attributes you have identified so far? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huge Oil Discovery in Gulf...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Maharishi Effect? anyway, hopefully lower prices at the pimp. The Maharishi Effect reduces the cost of hookers? Do some more research and get back to us on what the percentage of reduction is, Ok? I think this must be a mistake. The MMY effect makes a pimp's hand stronger, which leads to an increase in prices for all services. Crack whore prices remain the same. (verified at 1:30am last night) But have service levels declined? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Jim, you should probably keep this particular seeing in mind next time you start to believe that your perceptions about things are correct... Yeah, you got me ;-) Evaluate my supposed state of consciousness. YOU should evaluate it. Many times here on FFL you have merely assumed that because you perceived something, it was true. I don't think that is a safe assumption, about any individual or any state of consciousness. Anyone can be wrong, and the more certain they seem to be about being right, the more likely it probably is that they aren't. An odd parallel to your assertion with no evidence to support it that you in fact saw Rama levitate. Caused quite a stir as I recall. Have you figured out what this is all about yet, Jim? It's about you still being angry because I pointed out that you have a certain fear of and aversion to strong language. Please see my post #99488. There is a time and place for everything. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma on 9/5/06 6:44 AM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/3/06 3:48 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: Did you know that at the side toward Viv. island, at the temple walls lived a great Avadhuta, Mayi Amma? She is on one of the early videos of Ammachi who visited her. There are some cool stories about that trip in one of the early books about her. She is purported to have levitated in front of the group that was traveling with her. Really, I haven't heard this before. It was Ammachi who levitated, not Mayi Amma, although Im sure the latter was capable of it too, if she could stay underwater for years on end. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huge Oil Discovery in Gulf...'
Well last night I ordered round the world and we didn't even make it to Asia. But then again this might be the MMY effect on quicker fulfillment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Maharishi Effect? anyway, hopefully lower prices at the pimp. The Maharishi Effect reduces the cost of hookers? Do some more research and get back to us on what the percentage of reduction is, Ok? I think this must be a mistake. The MMY effect makes a pimp's hand stronger, which leads to an increase in prices for all services. Crack whore prices remain the same. (verified at 1:30am last night) But have service levels declined? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: um, you are talking to yourself again (TurquoiseB -- Geezerfreak). That is odd, don't you think? Paranoia seems to affect the supposedly-awakened, too. :-) In other words, geezerfreak ain't me. I suspect that even Judy, insane as she is, knows that. Why don't you? Jim, you should probably keep this particular seeing in mind next time you start to believe that your perceptions about things are correct. Others should also probably keep it in mind when evaluating Jim's supposed state of consciousness. Same question to you that I asked whatever his name is. Can you please name one person on the planet who you can state unequivocally is fully Realized, 24X7 enlightened? Absolutely not. Does this then make you a TNB- True Non Believer? In other words, you castigate those who have been doing TM for years because they have unassailable beliefs, and here you stand, like their bookend, declaring just such an unassailable belief. I guess it takes a True Non Believer to see a True Believer doesn't it? And aren't they both pretty much the same? I think so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Is Couric Enlightened?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: A couple of years ago, I remember watching, 'The Today Show'; And I was noticing how spontaneous, and focused Katie Couric seemed to be. I was even noticing the possibility that she was experiencing enlightenment; In noticing how she would phrase things, as though she was 'witnessing'. It was just my feeling at the time; but it would be interesting to have an; Enlightened Newscaster who is as big as it gets in the news business. Good Luck Sri Kai-tee... The CBS EVENING NEWS WITH KATIE COURIC debuts Tuesday, Sept. 5 (6:30-7:00 PM, ET/PT). She's in PC...Perky Consciousness. But perkey is as perkey does; How does she keep her perkyness with this 'serious position'. We'll see. Anyway, I thought a certain subdued purkyness is kind of a form of : 'Bliss Consciousness' Sat Chit Ananda, Well who really knows the state of another's state of consciousness, really.. Just would be strange to start having actual enlightened people representing the mainstream... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
Jim, you should probably keep this particular seeing in mind next time you start to believe that your perceptions about things are correct... Yeah, you got me ;-) Evaluate my supposed state of consciousness. YOU should evaluate it. Many times here on FFL you have merely assumed that because you perceived something, it was true. I don't think that is a safe assumption, about any individual or any state of consciousness. Anyone can be wrong, and the more certain they seem to be about being right, the more likely it probably is that they aren't. An odd parallel to your assertion with no evidence to support it that you in fact saw Rama levitate. Caused quite a stir as I recall. Not quite a parallel, Jim. Every time I have described this, I have made it very clear that it was my perception that he levitated. I saw this hundreds of times over many years. But if you'll check, both in my book and any time I have ever mentioned it here, I have always been careful to say that I don't know whether video cameras would have recorded it. In other words, one can *trust* one's perceptions without claiming that they represent some kind of truth. I saw what I saw, that's all. You've been very clear lately that you believe that your perceptions are equivalent to truth. You perceive Maharishi as enlightened, therefore he is. You perceive Guru Dev's energy, therefore it's really there. All I'm pointing out is that yesterday you perceived that I was pretending to be another poster called geezerfreak, and you assumed that perception must be equally true. It wasn't. Your perceptions are fallible. I honestly think you'd be better served in the future to think This is what I perceive and it may have nothing whatsoever to do with what is true rather than This is what I perceive, therefore it's true. You can rely on the first statement. *Clearly*, you cannot rely on the second. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huge Oil Discovery in Gulf...'
Fertile grounds for research. Though there are some sticky methodological problems to overcome. Well, pressure on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well last night I ordered round the world and we didn't even make it to Asia. But then again this might be the MMY effect on quicker fulfillment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Maharishi Effect? anyway, hopefully lower prices at the pimp. The Maharishi Effect reduces the cost of hookers? Do some more research and get back to us on what the percentage of reduction is, Ok? I think this must be a mistake. The MMY effect makes a pimp's hand stronger, which leads to an increase in prices for all services. Crack whore prices remain the same. (verified at 1:30am last night) But have service levels declined? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate on 9/5/06 10:58 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not quite a parallel, Jim. Every time I have described this, I have made it very clear that it was my perception that he levitated. I saw this hundreds of times over many years. But if you'll check, both in my book and any time I have ever mentioned it here, I have always been careful to say that I don't know whether video cameras would have recorded it. Didnt he ever have video cameras there? If not, why not? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huge Oil Discovery in Gulf...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A new discovery of oil in the Gulf of Mexico; Cause the trading floor to go bananas, today; The new discovery, supposed to increase total reserves by 50%. Maharishi Effect? anyway, hopefully lower prices at the pimp. More carbon-based energy to burn? Why is that good news? If one is of the mind that global warming is a reality Then this would be BAD news, no? R.g. - Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Spartacus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Sep 4, 2006, at 9:32 PM, geezerfreak wrote: Good lord peoplethe paranoia! No, I am not Barry. I don't who Barry is... Uh, huh, sure, that's what they all say...next thing you know you'll be telling us your name is Bevan Morris or something... No, I am Bevan Morris. :-) Actually, I'm Juan Negro and Geezer is NOT Turq! - Then again, Judy is not who s/he says s/he is and none of you know for sure what the HT's agenda is! All any of you know is what goes on in the privacy of your own heads ... which is some cases doesn't seem to be much. But that's all that matters, the privacy of your own heads. Bevan keeps Vlodrop up to date on the loonies here -- and some of the more one-pointed representatives of what it's all about: but most of you have no idea which is which. The interesting thing about paranoia is it discloses just how much progress you are making, or NOT. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I honestly think you'd be better served in the future to think This is what I perceive and it may have nothing whatsoever to do with what is true rather than This is what I perceive, therefore it's true. Just as you now realize contrary to your earlier perception, by my posting #99488, that I am not angry, nor do have a fear or aversion to strong language, as you put it. I just use it sparingly. Cheers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Is Couric Enlightened?'
Robert Gimbel wrote: A couple of years ago, I remember watching, 'The Today Show'; And I was noticing how spontaneous, and focused Katie Couric seemed to be. I was even noticing the possibility that she was experiencing enlightenment; In noticing how she would phrase things, as though she was 'witnessing'. It was just my feeling at the time; but it would be interesting to have an; Enlightened Newscaster who is as big as it gets in the news business. Good Luck Sri Kai-tee... The CBS EVENING NEWS WITH KATIE COURIC debuts Tuesday, Sept. 5 (6:30-7:00 PM, ET/PT). I was always funny in the movement when so many of the meditators saw someone who was bright, articulate, and had rose to a high place think that person was enlightened. But you should have learned by now not to base such judgments on enlightenment on such external qualities. About 20% of the population are fairly bright but I wouldn't say they are enlightened. I have certainly met many people who were bright and articulate but clueless about the subject of transcendence and higher states of consciousness. They were still superficial about life in general. However they might show an interest in higher states of consciousness even admitting I've always wanted to learn more about that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Same question to you that I asked whatever his name is. Can you please name one person on the planet who you can state unequivocally is fully Realized, 24X7 enlightened? Absolutely not. Does this then make you a TNB- True Non Believer? In other words, you castigate those who have been doing TM for years because they have unassailable beliefs, and here you stand, like their bookend, declaring just such an unassailable belief. What unassailable belief? You asked whether I could state unequivocably that someone -- anyone -- was enlightened. I can't. Didn't you read the recent post in which I said that I don't believe that it is *possible* to say for sure whether someone is enlightened or not? Since I believe this, how could I possibly point to someone and say, This person is enlightened? I guess it takes a True Non Believer to see a True Believer doesn't it? And aren't they both pretty much the same? I think so. You're losing it, Jim. The belief that I cannot say for sure that a person is enlightened is NOT the same thing as believing that no one is enlightened. Except in your mind, that is. I believe in enlightenment, and have have enlight- enment experiences myself. But do I consider myself enlightened? Of course not. Do I consider Maharishi enlightened? Nope, and I've explained why. Do I consider anyone else I have encountered in this life enlightened? Nope, not for certain. My experiences meditating with a few people suggest to me that they might be, but I don't know for sure, and probably never will. The difference between the two of us, Jim, seems to be that I am comfortable with I don't know for sure and probably never will, and you are not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/5/06 10:58 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not quite a parallel, Jim. Every time I have described this, I have made it very clear that it was my perception that he levitated. I saw this hundreds of times over many years. But if you'll check, both in my book and any time I have ever mentioned it here, I have always been careful to say that I don't know whether video cameras would have recorded it. Didn¹t he ever have video cameras there? If not, why not? Nope. I don't know, but my suspicion is that he didn't believe that certain siddhis -- like invisibility and levitation -- actually happened on the gross physical level. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this then make you a TNB- True Non Believer? In other words, you castigate those who have been doing TM for years because they have unassailable beliefs, and here you stand, like their bookend, declaring just such an unassailable belief. I guess it takes a True Non Believer to see a True Believer doesn't it? And aren't they both pretty much the same? I think so. Jim, the trademark of a True Believer is, according to Eric Hoffer,his ability to switch sides. Fanatical Nazis could just as easily become fanatical communists. It's only logical that fanatical TMers can just as easily become fanatical Anti-TMers, who are virtually obsessed with other persons lives and believes, as it gives meaning to their otherwise meaningless lives. Think of a person who has spent the last two decades virtually every day for several hours at various internet forums, castigating what he views as cult mentality - in fact trying to prove cult mentality to people who really don't show any sign of it at all. Like to Bob, who has a movement critical webside. Or chasing the daily schedule of Judy Stein. Why would anybody do this? See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Hoffer#On_the_Nature_and_Origins_of_Mass_Movements A man is likely to mind his own business when it is worth minding. When it is not, he takes his mind off his own meaningless affairs by minding other people's business. --The True Believer. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is the 5th Birthday of FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages/1 1159 Members 112,768 posts, an average of 22,553 per year, 62 per day Let¹s Party! The stat that really stands out to me is the 1,159 members one. Certainly, only a fraction are active on the forum at any given time (20 maximum maybe?). And I can only imagine that only a fraction look in on a daily basis -- 10%? 20% But even at that I think that the things we discuss here have had and will continue to have an impact on the TMO. I don't know of any other forum that has the type of exchange of ideas and thoughts about the TMO and TM and MMY that this one does. And they are good ideas -- many of them anyway -- interspersed amongst much admittedly garbage and negativity. But that's what you get when you have freedom of expression. I still hold on to the belief that the stuff we discuss here gets up to the right people and that we can have an impact. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/5/06 6:44 AM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 9/3/06 3:48 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: Did you know that at the side toward Viv. island, at the temple walls lived a great Avadhuta, Mayi Amma? She is on one of the early videos of Ammachi who visited her. There are some cool stories about that trip in one of the early books about her. She is purported to have levitated in front of the group that was traveling with her. Really, I haven't heard this before. It was Ammachi who levitated, not Mayi Amma, although I¹m sure the latter was capable of it too, if she could stay underwater for years on end. Maharishi has publicly claimed that he is capable of levitating. Rick tells us not that Ammachi was PURPORTED or ALLEGEDLY levitated but states as fact that Ammachi levitated. Barry Wright tells us that on a regular basis his now-deceased guru levitated and that he, Barry Wright, has in fact seen it himself. Anybody else want to get on the bandwagon? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I honestly think you'd be better served in the future to think This is what I perceive and it may have nothing whatsoever to do with what is true rather than This is what I perceive, therefore it's true. Just as you now realize contrary to your earlier perception, by my posting #99488, that I am not angry, nor do have a fear or aversion to strong language, as you put it. I just use it sparingly. Cheers. I see you're not going to deal with the concept that your perceptions might be wrong. Ok. What- ever floats your boat. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma
On Sep 5, 2006, at 8:02 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right into the sea and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend.. The gospel according to t3rinity. Makes me wonder...when did stuff like this start being gospel and stop being fairy tales? Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Huge Opium Crop- Heading West...'
Cheap heroin set to flood Scotland's streets TOM COGHLAN IN KABUL SCOTLAND faces a flood of ultra-pure cheap heroin after the United Nations reported record levels of opium production across Afghanistan this year. The country has produced its largest-ever drugs harvest following a 59% surge in production in defiance of a British-led international effort to curb the country's drugs economy. Afghanistan is set to produce 6,100 tonnes of opium, the raw ingredient for heroin, which represents 92% of the world's production this year. Afghanistan's opium production is enough to exceed by 30% the world's consumption of heroin. Speaking to Scotland on Sunday, Antonio Maria Costa, executive director of the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, warned of a healthcare explosion that can be expected to follow. "I am shortly to issue a warning to the health ministries of countries of major heroin-consuming nations. Traditionally a sudden change in supply conditions does not affect the quantity of heroin, but its purity. "When this last happened in 2004, the purity of heroin on the streets of Britain went from 24% to more than 50% purity. After three or four years of steady decline in the number of deaths from overdose, there was a sudden increase. I fear this will happen again. This increase in opium production in Afghanistan will have serious health implications." The record harvest comes disproportionately from the troubled southern province of Helmand, where 4,500 British troops have been battling Taliban insurgents for the past few months. The province witnessed a 162% increase in production to more than a third of the total countrywide harvest. Costa also warned of an increasingly critical situation across Afghanistan. "The news is very bad," he said. "In some southern provinces the situation is out of control. Opium is the largest employer, largest income generator, largest source of capital, biggest export and main source of foreign investment." However, he denied that the situation was hopeless. He said that the Afghan government must recover "province by province". Although the number of drug-related deaths in Scotland fell to 336 last year, news of an increased heroin supply was greeted with dismay by drug campaigners last night. Tom Wood, chairman of the Scottish Association of Alcohol and Drug Action Teams, said: "This is very bad news for us because there will be a glut of heroin on the market. This is the produce of the poppy crop from two years ago because there is quite a lead time from the opium harvest to drug production. It also comes at the same time as an unprecedented amount of cocaine is flooding the streets." The increase in heroin supply will also leave drugs and Customs officers overwhelmed. Wood, a former deputy chief constable of Lothian and Borders Police, added: "The law enforcement agencies have never been performing better than now, but even performing as well as they do, they never have or will be able to stem the flow." Alistair Ramsay, former director of Scotland Against Drugs, who now runs Drugwise, a drugs advice consultancy, said the influx could drive the price down: "This could provoke enormous tension on Scotland's streets between the drug lords importing cocaine from Columbia and those delivering heroin from Afghanistan. They want to maximise their profits and they won't want competitors muscling in." sam mccartin, pokhara / 8:14am 3 Sep 2006 (Here is an article published in October 2001 explaining why Opium production in AFG would rise with the defeat of the Taliban.) End of Taliban will bring rise in heroin By Richard Lloyd Parry in Islamabad 19 October 2001 (published in The Independent ) The defeat of the Taliban would result in a surge in opium production, which has beenvirtually halted in Afghanistan by the Kabul regime over the last year, United Nations officials have warned. A new UN survey reveals that the Taliban have completed one of the quickest and most successful drug elimination programmes in history. The area of land given over to growing opium poppies in 2001 fell by 91 per cent compared with the year before, according to the UN Drug Control Programme's (UNDCP) annual survey of Afghanistan. Production of fresh opium, the raw material for heroin, went down by an unprecedented 94 per cent, from 3,276 tonnes to 185 tonnes. Almost all Afghan opium this year came out of territories controlled by America's ally in the assault on Afghanistan, the Northern Alliance. Because of a ban on poppy farming, only one in 25 of Afghanistan's opium poppies was being grown in Taliban areas. However, while poppy cultivation dropped, exports of refined opium and heroin from the Taliban-controlled areas remained unchanged because of stockpiles. Some UN officials privately believe that the Taliban have not received enough credit for controlling drugs, and that under any post-Taliban regime cultivation, consumption and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Humor has its place, but in that context, you were out of line. That's Mel Brooks sort of humr, where Jesus prays for a sign and someone pulls a prank that leads to legends of miracles. Works in the movies but NOT in real life. Well, maybe the legend-of-miracles part. I was out of line? I guess that would put you in the sad sack hard core group then, wouldn't it. Classic implementation of Barry's Rules: If you disagree with a True Nonbeliever, you must be a True Believer. Corollary: If you disagree with a True Nonbeliever, your point of view is Wrong, because True Believers are by definition Never Right. Like I say, it's really, really simple if you just follow Barry's Rules. Got a question for you Sparaig..how many fingers can you get between your shirt collar and your neck? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma on 9/5/06 11:49 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi has publicly claimed that he is capable of levitating. He has? I never heard that. Rick tells us not that Ammachi was PURPORTED or ALLEGEDLY levitated but states as fact that Ammachi levitated. About 20 people were there. That doesnt make it a fact. Just their account. Ill try to find and post the details. Barry Wright tells us that on a regular basis his now-deceased guru levitated and that he, Barry Wright, has in fact seen it himself. Anybody else want to get on the bandwagon? Yeah. Laurel and Hardy are doing a levitation act in NYC. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Another Maharishi Effect? Nude Teens in Vermont
Nude Teens Raising Eyebrows in Vermont http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/N/NAKED_TOWN?SITE=7219SECTION=HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULTCTIME=2006-09-02-17-19-37 Or perhaps they are simply celebrating the 5th yr anniversary of FFL. Then again, MMY was not amused when half the course at Humbodlt 70 went skinny-dippping. (Naked body is ugly). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tsa, tsa, still reading my posts? Lurker forgot the reference that I was simply quoting from a message board verbatim. But as it is, you are a nasty little pile of shit, who doesn't want to miss an opportunity to dump on anyone. Can't repeat it often enough. And now go back to your True-Blue-Believer-drawing-board. t3rin, you really should'nt display your (thin) epidermis in public. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Spartacus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually, I'm Juan Negro and Geezer is NOT Turq! - Then again, Judy is not who s/he says s/he is I'm not?? Who do I say I am? (And I'm very definitely she, by the way.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is the 5th Birthday of FairfieldLife
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is the 5th Birthday of FairfieldLife on 9/5/06 11:44 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages/1 1159 Members 112,768 posts, an average of 22,553 per year, 62 per day Lets Party! The stat that really stands out to me is the 1,159 members one. Certainly, only a fraction are active on the forum at any given time (20 maximum maybe?). And I can only imagine that only a fraction look in on a daily basis -- 10%? 20% Even that may be a generous estimate. But when I look at the members list, I notice quite a few I dont even recognize who opt to receive all the emails. I also know people who never even joined FFL who read it religiously. So who knows how many lurkers there may be. Gullible Fool, whos good at this sort of thing, may be able to tell us more. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Another Maharishi Effect? Nude Teens in Vermont
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Another Maharishi Effect? Nude Teens in Vermont on 9/5/06 12:29 PM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nude Teens Raising Eyebrows in Vermont http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/N/NAKED_TOWN?SITE=7219SECTION=HOMETEMPL ATE=DEFAULTCTIME=2006-09-02-17-19-37 http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/N/NAKED_TOWN?SITE=7219amp;SECTION=HOME amp;TEMPLATE=DEFAULTamp;CTIME=2006-09-02-17-19-37 Or perhaps they are simply celebrating the 5th yr anniversary of FFL. Then again, MMY was not amused when half the course at Humbodlt 70 went skinny-dippping. (Naked body is ugly). Same thing happened at Poland Spring. He was furious. Was there a warm place to swim in Humboldt? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I honestly think you'd be better served in the future to think This is what I perceive and it may have nothing whatsoever to do with what is true rather than This is what I perceive, therefore it's true. Just as you now realize contrary to your earlier perception, by my posting #99488, that I am not angry, nor do have a fear or aversion to strong language, as you put it. I just use it sparingly. Cheers. I see you're not going to deal with the concept that your perceptions might be wrong. Ok. What- ever floats your boat. ROTFL!!! Barry Wright, Master of Inadvertent Irony. Completely oblivious. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: tsa, tsa, still reading my posts? Lurker forgot the reference that I was simply quoting from a message board verbatim. But as it is, you are a nasty little pile of shit, who doesn't want to miss an opportunity to dump on anyone. Can't repeat it often enough. And now go back to your True-Blue-Believer-drawing-board. t3rin, you really should'nt display your (thin) epidermis in public. Is the public display of mean-spiritedness preferable to the public display of thin skin? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/5/06 6:44 AM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/3/06 3:48 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: Did you know that at the side toward Viv. island, at the temple walls lived a great Avadhuta, Mayi Amma? She is on one of the early videos of Ammachi who visited her. There are some cool stories about that trip in one of the early books about her. She is purported to have levitated in front of the group that was traveling with her. Really, I haven't heard this before. It was Ammachi who levitated, not Mayi Amma, although I¹m sure the latter was capable of it too, if she could stay underwater for years on end. Spartacus and I levitated together once in a past life with Laurel and Hardy. It was interesting. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I am everywhere, I am omnipresent
Link to Satyanand page http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/Satyanand.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Swami' Sattyanand speaks on Guru Dev:- 'When in 1953 Guru Dev left this mortal frame and attained nirvana I was at Banares, another place of pilgrimage for Hindus, and at that moment I was staying in the ashram of Guru Dev. Everybody knew that I am very attached to Guru Dev and devoted to Guru Dev, and then news came to Benares that Guru Dev has attained nirvana. I was sitting somewhere with a group of my friends and the news was relayed there. When my friends heard that Guru Dev was no more they were very anxious about me and when they conveyed that news, they were rather alert to appraise whatever reaction is and what happened I simply, when I heard that news I became very sad, very sorry and I just kept my head on the table before me. And all of them were very anxious what will become of me. But soon after, while I was very morose, sorrow, sad, entire world was empty for me and I did not understand what to do without Guru Dev, just a half a minute or two seconds after a flash came and it appeared to me that Guru Dev was scolding me; What a fool you are! You have been with me for all these many months and years, and you heard my discourses too. Is it a moment of feeling sorry? Why should you be sorry today? And you think that I am gone, where am I gone? Till now whenever you wanted to meet me you had, you had to come to the place where I was, and today when I have attained nirvana, I am everywhere, I am omnipresent. Where have I gone? Very foolish for you to mourn on this occasion. I am with you, here, there, everywhere. Why should you be sorry? And the moment this flash came my face became very brilliant, I became very cheerful. And when I raised my head, my friends who were standing there very anxious and held in suspense, they were upset to see my brilliant and cheerful face. And then they said, What has happened to you? I said, No you can't understand, nothing has happened to me, I am alright, now let me go back to the ashram and make the necessary arrangements.' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny how Barry's Trust your own experience mantra is so easily discarded when it comes to someone's experience of TM. Funny how the TM is the best technique of meditation in the world mantra seems to spring so easily to the lips of those who have never in their lives learned another. Funny how assiduously Barry avoids addressing the various glaring inconsistencies in Barry's Rules and does his level best to change the subject. Also funny how he doesn't seem to even *see* material that doesn't quite fit with Barry's Rules. In the post he's responding to, I explicitly addressed the quick-change-the-subject objection he raises above: What's virtually impossible to explain is why one might conclude on the basis of one's own experience, with no or minimal experience of other techniques, that TM is the best to someone who hasn't had the Aha! experience. I've used a similar analogy to Jim's of walking vs. crawling: if you know how to ride a bicycle, it really doesn't make sense to try other methods of riding a bicycle, such as propelling it with your feet on the ground, or running alongside it, then leaping on and resting your feet on the pedals while it coasts. It's just self-evident that turning the pedals with your feet is the most effective way to get somewhere on a bicycle; there's simply no need to try other methods. But with TM, this is a *subjective* experience of how the mind works (not of mental content but rather the mechanics of the thinking process), just as it becomes self-evident that turning the pedals makes the wheels turn and propels the bicycle forward--but entirely inside your own head, where you can't demonstrate it to anybody else. Oh, excuse me...except something they read in a book and tried once or twice *before* they learned TM, Only one of the techniques I tried did I read in a book (Benson's technique, which Benson himself insists can be learned from a book). Also tried some other stuff (not from a book) *after* learning TM. The results were part of the experiential data that ultimately led to my Aha! realization about TM. after which they mysteriously became convinced that to try anything else would be beneath them. Most definitely mysterious to those who have not had the same experience, as I already pointed out. No...not a bit of brainwashing here, no. :-) Right, not a bit here, no (at least not in *my* post). And we're back to the point Barry was so desperately trying to distract attention from: Funny how Barry's Trust your own experience mantra is so easily discarded when it comes to someone's experience of TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: tsa, tsa, still reading my posts? Lurker forgot the reference that I was simply quoting from a message board verbatim. But as it is, you are a nasty little pile of shit, who doesn't want to miss an opportunity to dump on anyone. Can't repeat it often enough. And now go back to your True-Blue-Believer-drawing-board. t3rin, you really should'nt display your (thin) epidermis in public. Is the public display of mean-spiritedness preferable to the public display of thin skin? I wonder if Lurker thought the nasty little pile of shit characterization was of him, rather than of Barry. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: tsa, tsa, still reading my posts? Lurker forgot the reference that I was simply quoting from a message board verbatim. But as it is, you are a nasty little pile of shit, who doesn't want to miss an opportunity to dump on anyone. Can't repeat it often enough. And now go back to your True-Blue-Believer-drawing-board. t3rin, you really should'nt display your (thin) epidermis in public. Is the public display of mean-spiritedness preferable to the public display of thin skin? I wonder if Lurker thought the nasty little pile of shit characterization was of him, rather than of Barry. This particular thread is so bizarre to me, I won't even speculate. From my perspective, Michael posted some interesting links, and Lurk and Barry then used it has an opportunity to harsh all over Michael. The snippet of Michael's post that Lurk quoted was obviously a quote from someone else on a different message board, so why try to attribute it as the gospel according to t3rinity? What state of mind is behind that? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Humor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: Geezer, You have provided me with some great laughs - I like your sense of humor. thanks Thanks Wayback. Nice to meetcha. Here's something that I remembered a few days ago that got me chuckling. Some may not realize this but flying did not always involve foams pads and bouncy bouncy. I was in the very first group to do...um...research into this particular sutra. We (a select group of Selisbergers) sat in a circle of chairs trying it out. Needless to say, not much was happening. One day I rigged a coathanger in my tie in such a way that I could manipulate the tiecause it to levitate...with my hand in my pocket. The chosen did their thing the next afternoon and sure enough, as everyone was slowly opening their eyes, the end of my tie was floating aloft trying to get it's dim witted owner to follow suit. You could hear the collective gasps in the room as everyone came out. Only when I lost it and started laughing did the camp divide into those (thankfully many) who thought it hilarious and those (the usual sad sack hard core) who thought humor should be kept OUT of spiritual development. Achtung! There vill be no yokes.NO YOKING in this room from now on! Ahh yes, good times. Humor has its place, but in that context, you were out of line. That's Mel Brooks sort of humr, where Jesus prays for a sign and someone pulls a prank that leads to legends of miracles. Works in the movies but NOT in real life. Well, maybe the legend-of-miracles part. I thought it was hilarious. Especially given the mind-set of the early courses: totally open / gullable, fully true-belieiving, rumor-mongering. The boy has wit. And I'm still chuckling over MMY hasn't called any one that in years. Its a style of humor prevalent in SIMS days,IMO. Lost or diminished in time. High-pranks, MFs, kindly, eye-twinkling irreverance, no sacred cows. Jerry was quite the jokester. And loved telling witty things he picked up on-the-road. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Spartacus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Sep 4, 2006, at 9:32 PM, geezerfreak wrote: Good lord peoplethe paranoia! No, I am not Barry. I don't who Barry is... Uh, huh, sure, that's what they all say...next thing you know you'll be telling us your name is Bevan Morris or something... No, I am Bevan Morris. :-) I'm Bevan. Thats big. But I am London. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Innocence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: While I like Trinity and his posts, -- and we appear to have similar views and experience on some key things (like the non-ownership of action, the self-sufficent domains of mind, memory and intellect) -- the above statement appears to me as symptomatic of something odd -- though quite pervasive amongst posters -- and most people I know, and commentators i read or hear. It is pervassive in modern life. (And I am probably misunderstanding Trinity's point and his statement above may not even apply.) However, the statements apparent meaning is a great example of what I am referring to -- and is such a huge key to things, IMO. Hi new morning, You may have misunderstood me here. I also, like many here think this is a great post of yours. I did not mean to say, that the point is the heart chakra. My post was also with reference to another post of Lawson, who had said that there is no technique at all, were on would have one's attention at a physical location. My post was only meant to confirm that there is, or actually was. Thanks for your clarification. Your prior post triggered [perhaps your satva triggers good things everywhere :) ] some thoughts -- it related to an example of something in my mind -- even though I knew the situation may have been different than the analogy I saw. The point of the post was of course not about your practice -- your post was just a catalyst. (But perhaps I should have generalized it, no names). I was intrigued by the various accounts of the advanced technique -- Rick said something about it a month ago that was in my mind too. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is the 5th Birthday of FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/5/06 11:44 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages/1 1159 Members 112,768 posts, an average of 22,553 per year, 62 per day Let¹s Party! The stat that really stands out to me is the 1,159 members one. Certainly, only a fraction are active on the forum at any given time (20 maximum maybe?). And I can only imagine that only a fraction look in on a daily basis -- 10%? 20% Even that may be a generous estimate. But when I look at the members list, I notice quite a few I don¹t even recognize who opt to receive all the emails. I also know people who never even joined FFL who read it religiously. So who knows how many lurkers there may be. Gullible Fool, who¹s good at this sort of thing, may be able to tell us more. So it is possible to NOT be a member and still read the messages? I didn't realize that...I thought you had to join before you could have access. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/5/06 11:49 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi has publicly claimed that he is capable of levitating. He has? I never heard that. Oh, yes. He most definitely did. It was on the Dick Cavett Show of the '70s. He was on with Peter McWilliams, Dr. Harold Blumenthal, and one other movement person...maybe Charlie Donahue? Can't remember the third person. Anyway, it was right after the flying was announced publicly and Cavett didn't mince words. He just straight-out asked him: can you levitate. And Maharishi responded yes. Then Cavett asked him to show him and Maharishi responded it's not for me to do but for you to do (this is paraphrased as I am going on memory from almost 30 years ago). Does anyone else remember seeing this show and, if so, do you remember it like I did? Rick tells us not that Ammachi was PURPORTED or ALLEGEDLY levitated but states as fact that Ammachi levitated. About 20 people were there. That doesn¹t make it a fact. Just their account. I¹ll try to find and post the details. Barry Wright tells us that on a regular basis his now- deceased guru levitated and that he, Barry Wright, has in fact seen it himself. Anybody else want to get on the bandwagon? Yeah. Laurel and Hardy are doing a levitation act in NYC. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I am everywhere, I am omnipresent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Link to Satyanand page http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/Satyanand.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'Swami' Sattyanand speaks on Guru Dev:- 'When in 1953 Guru Dev left this mortal frame and attained nirvana I was at Banares, another place of pilgrimage for Hindus, and at that moment I was staying in the ashram of Guru Dev. Everybody knew that I am very attached to Guru Dev and devoted to Guru Dev, and then news came to Benares that Guru Dev has attained nirvana. I was sitting somewhere with a group of my friends and the news was relayed there. When my friends heard that Guru Dev was no more they were very anxious about me and when they conveyed that news, they were rather alert to appraise whatever reaction is and what happened I simply, when I heard that news I became very sad, very sorry and I just kept my head on the table before me. And all of them were very anxious what will become of me. But soon after, while I was very morose, sorrow, sad, entire world was empty for me and I did not understand what to do without Guru Dev, just a half a minute or two seconds after a flash came and it appeared to me that Guru Dev was scolding me; What a fool you are! You have been with me for all these many months and years, and you heard my discourses too. Is it a moment of feeling sorry? Why should you be sorry today? And you think that I am gone, where am I gone? Till now whenever you wanted to meet me you had, you had to come to the place where I was, and today when I have attained nirvana, I am everywhere, I am omnipresent. Where have I gone? Very foolish for you to mourn on this occasion. I am with you, here, there, everywhere. Why should you be sorry? And the moment this flash came my face became very brilliant, I became very cheerful. And when I raised my head, my friends who were standing there very anxious and held in suspense, they were upset to see my brilliant and cheerful face. And then they said, What has happened to you? I said, No you can't understand, nothing has happened to me, I am alright, now let me go back to the ashram and make the necessary arrangements.' Thanks, Paul -- you are doing a terrific job. We need more to balance out the strangeness that has taken over what was once a fairly decent endeavour: TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laurel Hardy-Reincarnated and Performing in NYC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know what the word research means? No, but I can give you 30 hindi meanings of the word. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Newsweek on Dawkins and Harris
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Newsweek on Dawkins and Harris on 9/4/06 11:11 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, thanks for responding. I would welcome an opportunity to both discuss this topic more, and to meet people who you feel represent a level of realization. My case may be somewhat different from what you stated because I myself had experiences of higher states through MMY's programs. But my understanding of what those experiences mean has changed radically. So for me to meet someone who has a self identity as a realized person, or has a deep experiential connection with some form of God, might not shift my point of view. I had them too. But, for me, that doesn't mean there really is a God. It is just life itself that give me the wow factor in my life. I don't feel as though spiritual experiences or perspectives add much to my life. But an opportunity to be shown my own limits of understanding is always welcome. I have been wrong so many times in my life that I have learned not to bolt any doors that I may have shut! These days I am more interested in ethics. If a person acts in a kind, loving way to others, that is good enough for me. If their belief in God helps them act that way, more power to them. I aspire to be act kindly. That takes the place of my previous spiritual aspirations. And for such a simple goal, it's consistent realization is quite a challenge in daily life. Zen teacher Ellen Birx writes in her book Healing Zen: Awakening to a Life of Wholeness and Compassion While Caring for Yourself and Others (Viking Compass 2002) Yamada Roshi spoke of four types of people: an ordinary person without enlightenment, an ordinary person with enlightenment, a saint without enlightenment, and a saint with enlightenment. Of course, the fourth type is what we would all like to be and what the world needs most. However, what this scheme is pointing out is that personal insight and saintly action in the world do not necessarily go hand in hand. Insight alone is not enough. Insight must be coupled with an ongoing effort to actualize in your actions what you have realized through mediation practice. Insight is actualized through service. (Page 232- chapter on SERVICE - Doing What Needs to Be Done). __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Humor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry was quite the jokester. And loved telling witty things he picked up on-the-road. He sure was New Morning. And quite the jazz fan as well. He still turns up at Charles Lloyd's LA concerts every once in a while. I'd like to speak with him.have about a thousand questions. Thanks for the comments. I see more humor now in the TMO than ever before. Of course, they don't mean to be funny. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Saint Headline News Update
Title: Saint Headline News Update Mother Meera plans to build an ashram in the Chicago area. A place is being built on a farm outside Fairfield in which Karunamayi will rest and take silence every year after her US tour. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Humor
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Humor on 9/5/06 2:29 PM, geezerfreak at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry was quite the jokester. And loved telling witty things he picked up on-the-road. He sure was New Morning. And quite the jazz fan as well. He still turns up at Charles Lloyd's LA concerts every once in a while. I'd like to speak with him.have about a thousand questions. Email me on the side and Ill send you his contact info. Id also like to get in touch with Charles Lloyd. I taught his TTC. He has now formed a group called Sangam with Zakir Hussain (the worlds best tabla player) and a western drummer. Id like to try to get them to Fairfield. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newsweek on Dawkins and Harris
Although I don't aspire to be more than an ordinary person without enlightenment, I appreciate the quote, thanks. It was a loved one's death that really drove home this point to me: we aren't alive very long, so let's try not to be assholes to each other. It is a lower bar then service to others, but we all have to start somewhere! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/4/06 11:11 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, thanks for responding. I would welcome an opportunity to both discuss this topic more, and to meet people who you feel represent a level of realization. My case may be somewhat different from what you stated because I myself had experiences of higher states through MMY's programs. But my understanding of what those experiences mean has changed radically. So for me to meet someone who has a self identity as a realized person, or has a deep experiential connection with some form of God, might not shift my point of view. I had them too. But, for me, that doesn't mean there really is a God. It is just life itself that give me the wow factor in my life. I don't feel as though spiritual experiences or perspectives add much to my life. But an opportunity to be shown my own limits of understanding is always welcome. I have been wrong so many times in my life that I have learned not to bolt any doors that I may have shut! These days I am more interested in ethics. If a person acts in a kind, loving way to others, that is good enough for me. If their belief in God helps them act that way, more power to them. I aspire to be act kindly. That takes the place of my previous spiritual aspirations. And for such a simple goal, it's consistent realization is quite a challenge in daily life. Zen teacher Ellen Birx writes in her book Healing Zen: Awakening to a Life of Wholeness and Compassion While Caring for Yourself and Others (Viking Compass 2002) Yamada Roshi spoke of four types of people: an ordinary person without enlightenment, an ordinary person with enlightenment, a saint without enlightenment, and a saint with enlightenment. Of course, the fourth type is what we would all like to be and what the world needs most. However, what this scheme is pointing out is that personal insight and saintly action in the world do not necessarily go hand in hand. Insight alone is not enough. Insight must be coupled with an ongoing effort to actualize in your actions what you have realized through mediation practice. Insight is actualized through service. (Page 232- chapter on SERVICE - Doing What Needs to Be Done). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is the 5th Birthday of FairfieldLife
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is the 5th Birthday of FairfieldLife on 9/5/06 2:09 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it is possible to NOT be a member and still read the messages? I didn't realize that...I thought you had to join before you could have access. It says right in the site description: You can lurk without joining, but you have to join to post. Members can access the Files, Photos, Links, and Database areas. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Newsweek on Dawkins and Harris
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Newsweek on Dawkins and Harris on 9/5/06 2:56 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I don't aspire to be more than an ordinary person without enlightenment, I appreciate the quote, thanks. I think youve already become more than that. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Humor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/5/06 2:29 PM, geezerfreak at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Email me on the side and I¹ll send you his contact info. I¹d also like to get in touch with Charles Lloyd. I taught his TTC. He has now formed a group called Sangam with Zakir Hussain (the world¹s best tabla player) and a western drummer. I¹d like to try to get them to Fairfield. Will do. I know Charles well. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Different Paths and Views on Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip You must have forgotten my assertion that there is no such thing as MMY/TMO style of enlightenment. This just gets stranger and stranger. Unless you are playing sematically games, or simply don't get the concept that MMY has defined specific attributes of what he means by enlightenemnt, UC and BC. I get the sense that the two of you aren't understanding the word style the same way. new morning, what I get from your use of the phrase MMY style of enlightenment is enlightenment as MMY defines/describes it. Yes. Jim, I think, understands you to be saying that enlightenment as defined/described by MMY is not the same *state* as enlightenment as defined/described by Amma, which is not the same state as enlightenment as defined/described by SSRS, or by SBS, or whoever. An issue here is the label-centric view of some, vs. my very non-label view. As I have explained periodically, from various angles, over 2-3 years, I don't have much value for labels such as enlightnement. However, I do value states of, in my life and others, purity, radiance, innocence, humility, deep kindness and sweetness, ever-fresh perspective, deep humor, non-attachment to ideas and thoughts that appear, clear, piercing intellect, spontaneous unfoldment of knowledge by mere attention, pure laughter, undulating waves of happiness folding into themselves, not delusionally owning the intellect and/or decision making mechanisms, not being attached to ones writings, speech, and yesterdays (provisional) conclusions, an inner hollow (hallow) and emptiness -- yet full of light, I-ness my-ness being a foreign concept and land, compassion for all people, all animals, including all bugs and such nussance things -- demonstrated in actions, being enthralled for hours in the thought/absorbsion of those embodying some or all of these qualities, ever-playfulness, Consciousness simply Being, uplifiting, intentions and acting globally -- for the benefit of others, study, mastery of many good things, merging into nature and the sky and stars, distilling wonderful things in digestion, bowing down to everything, flowing with life's flow, appreciating the huge complexity and detail in a spider (and carrying it kindly outdoors), kind thoughts, if not words for everyone, gapping up Consciousness IS with Consciousness as a rock and mountain range, touching vastness, seeing sharp discrimination in in ideas, seeing sanctity of heart everywhere, seeing/knowing holy ground with each step, sheer wonder and awe, hearing music in everything, pervading silence, concepts and such, thrilling to the energy of each breath, no possessions (mentally, if not physically), kissing the sky, having bags packed, piercing the tightly streched veneer, appreciating the divine in everyone and everything, smelling bliss, inward folding into itself joy, precision of logic, free from anger, love in an askew glance, free from fear, clear of fallacies, skeptical and discriminating in interpreting experiences, being overcome and overflowed by the River of Love, ever moving-on, the flow of understanding from the smallest seed of insight, happy dogs, great powder days, fresh bluberries, and other nice things. I have no idea and no interest if these qualities, as subsets or as a whole, constitute someones vison of enlightenment. I simply value these things. As I experience them, and as things to culture more of. And as seen in others and their lives. Thus with some context of my views, back to your comment: enlightenment as defined/described by MMY is not the same *state* as enlightenment as defined/described by Amma, which is not the same state as enlightenment as defined/described by SSRS, or by SBS, or whoever. I have no idea. And little interest. I do know (its probably evolved, refined in language) attributes MMY associates with the state(s) he terms enlightenment. Having heard him in person a lot, stemming back almost 40 years, being a teacher and gov. , I feel somewhat qualified to repeat what I have heard of his views. I have spent much less time around SSRS. But he has some very simple sweet ways of defining enlightenment. (more a list of enless attributes I think. He may say,enlightenment is... and describe some sweet, simple innocent thing. I don't take that as meaning that is his total or complete description of attributes. Amma, I know her [sweetness and grandeur], but have never been with her physically, and have only partially read some ofher books. I can't speak to how she terms and views enlightenment or even whether she uses or places much, or much value on such labels. SBS -- I am learning. I know from puja some things that may be relevant of his view. But I am eager to rad more of Paul and LBS's works.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TB-TM
Political-religious connection to find out who is behind this feeling, or creating this feeling of disharmony in the group, and purge it from the group, Omen. R.G. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/111050 Doug in FF writing: Turq, i do not know what precedence there may be for this, but for public safety is it not coming time to have the un-registered non- dome attending meditators up in Maharishi Vedic City and on campus wearing armbands identifying themselves as TM-ex, and a special catagory of TM-Gov.-Ex for those un-recertified TM-Govs.? Turq writes: That rarely happens with spiritual mass movement TBs. It usually takes a religio-political *alliance* (like the Inquisition working in conjunction with the kings of the Catholic countries) to pull off something like that. Without that politico-religious connection, cowards usually remain cowards and only *think* about doing these sorts of things... Doug writing: Turq, A Religio-political alliance? like: Pray will the *Maharishi Vedic City Mayor up there and our Rajas* act in our best interests and remove these ex-people? It evidently would be in everyone's interest, a grave matter of public safety. they have the form of it now. A tempering thing though is that by Iowa law at least their 'municipal' meetings and some of its processes are supposed to be 'open'... dang democracy and those bills of rights. The mayor has gone to some TB'er lengths for MMY and told some whoppers towards those ends but thus far has not chosen to enter the 'guidelines' fray separating his citizens by type of meditator. I think your comments about petty tyrants TB'er mentality line up well. So much of what is being done and played is to keep people in line in some ways of psychology. It is quite a study really. And of course is interesting consequential also because we live here and it effects any of us our friends neighbors that way. Yours in Best Faith, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about the last paragraph of this from this? paste If we are attempting to create order and harmony, in a world of disorder and disharmony; And the dome, is regarded by Maharishi, as being one of his most important projects, in the world; and the whole history of Fairfield, the long time of meditators there... Then the seed is the container of the whole tree... So, the seeds planted in the dome: 'ought to radiate the most intense harmony and beauty, peace and love. 'All we are saying, is give peace a chance'- type feeling... So, if we are creating these lower vibration disharmony's and chaos, in our feelings in and towards those in the dome, or running the dome... then we had better all take a pretty good look in the mirror, to find out who is behind this feeling, or creating this feeling of disharmony in the group, and purge it from the group, Omen. R.G. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/111050 Doug in FF writing: Turq, i do not know what precedence there may be for this, but for public safety is it not coming time to have the un-registered non- dome attending meditators up in Maharishi Vedic City and on campus wearing armbands identifying themselves as TM-ex, and a special catagory of TM-Gov.-Ex for those un-recertified TM-Govs.? Evidently this is a 'public safety' matter as we are being told. You know, the negative effect is felt in a way that anyone wearing an arm band identifying them as such probably ought to be picked up off the streets of Maharishi Vedic City or from the campus and bused away to that meditator ghetto south of the railroad tracks here. It would be a felt-effect certainly and make a final solution to the problem in the meditating community here. Pray will the Maharishi Vedic City Mayor up there and our Rajas act in our best interests and remove these ex-people? It evidently would be in everyone's interest, a grave matter of public safety. Yours in Best Faith, -Doug in FF That someone can sell a technique to help people relax does not automatically make them a saint. TurquoiseB writes: An excellent point. One of the *foundations* of the True Believer mentality is if this person taught me or told me one thing that has proved useful or true, then everything he says is useful and true. Extrapolating from this assumption, over time True Believers put the leader of their mass movement up on a pedestal and tend to auto- matically believe *everything* they say. They start to assume that the leader has a special presence that normal people don't have. The next, and IMO most dangerous step, is when they start to assume that anyone who doesn't feel and act the same way, and who doesn't put the leader up on the same pedestal that they do is attacking him, or not giving him the proper respect that he is due. Read Bob's statement below
[FairfieldLife] Re: Innocence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: I also got it that way. There is certainly an advanced technique were you have to have your attention at a certain area. If it's the exact location of the (heart)-chakra is another question. I was pointed to an anatomical spot, that is not normally considered to be the heart center, but its close enough.Kunyaka Just be innocent with it. Take it as it comes. I have found these useful guides in life as well as meditation. And with TM and other spiritual practices comes innocence -- which is to me, a looking at every new situation and occurence without preconceptions, without the boundaries of past mental structures, models, preferences and inclination. Just see what is. Later, as appropriate, one can apply all past learning, models, insights etc. to evaluate the new perception. But in the first moment or each new instance -- just be innocent, take it as it comes. I mention this, because of Trinity's statement, I was pointed to an anatomical spot, that is not normally considered to be the heart center, but its close enough. I may have had similiar inpterpretations as Trinity at one point, and thus I am as much an example of loss of innonence as this current example. While I like Trinity and his posts, -- and we appear to have similar views and experience on some key things (like the non-ownership of action, the self-sufficent domains of mind, memory and intellect) -- the above statement appears to me as symptomatic of something odd -- though quite pervasive amongst posters -- and most people I know, and commentators i read or hear. It is pervassive in modern life. (And I am probably misunderstanding Trinity's point and his statement above may not even apply.) However, the statements apparent meaning is a great example of what I am referring to -- and is such a huge key to things, IMO. Hi new morning, You may have misunderstood me here. I also, like many here think this is a great post of yours. I did not mean to say, that the point is the heart chakra. My post was also with reference to another post of Lawson, who had said that there is no technique at all, were on would have one's attention at a physical location. My post was only meant to confirm that there is, or actually was. You still have a reading and memory problem. I never said that there is or is not such a thing, only that, if it is what i was taught, it isn't what you claim. I got this technique about a year before I left Purusha from Nandkishore. He showed me the exact location, and denied it was the heart, it actually isn't. To be honest with you, I never practised this technique, it just didn't fit. I just had had major openings in a completely different area, at the top of my head, or rather above. I would have had to force myself to do it the way Nandk. indicated. I asked him about that, that my awareness would be automatically drawn to a different area, but he insisted, I should do it the prescribed way. This was no option for me, and I simply dismissed it. Now I hear that the technique is not taught in this way anymore, for whatever reason. News to me, if it is the same technique. I learned it in the mid-80's. You keep chnging your tune about how you describe it. Of course, MMY has always insisted that people not discuss advanced techniques at all. Now we know why. In comparing notes, people forget what they've been told and project assumptions. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny how Barry's Trust your own experience mantra is so easily discarded when it comes to someone's experience of TM. Funny how the TM is the best technique of meditation in the world mantra seems to spring so easily to the lips of those who have never in their lives learned another. Oh, excuse me...except something they read in a book and tried once or twice *before* they learned TM, after which they mysteriously became convinced that to try anything else would be beneath them. No...not a bit of brainwashing here, no. :-) For me, it is intuitively obvious that TM is best. Now, I'm well aware that my intuition is often/ always wrong, but what of it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: Geezer, You have provided me with some great laughs - I like your sense of humor. thanks Thanks Wayback. Nice to meetcha. Here's something that I remembered a few days ago that got me chuckling. Some may not realize this but flying did not always involve foams pads and bouncy bouncy. I was in the very first group to do...um...research into this particular sutra. We (a select group of Selisbergers) sat in a circle of chairs trying it out. Needless to say, not much was happening. One day I rigged a coathanger in my tie in such a way that I could manipulate the tiecause it to levitate...with my hand in my pocket. The chosen did their thing the next afternoon and sure enough, as everyone was slowly opening their eyes, the end of my tie was floating aloft trying to get it's dim witted owner to follow suit. You could hear the collective gasps in the room as everyone came out. Only when I lost it and started laughing did the camp divide into those (thankfully many) who thought it hilarious and those (the usual sad sack hard core) who thought humor should be kept OUT of spiritual development. Achtung! There vill be no yokes.NO YOKING in this room from now on! Ahh yes, good times. Humor has its place, but in that context, you were out of line. That's Mel Brooks sort of humr, where Jesus prays for a sign and someone pulls a prank that leads to legends of miracles. Works in the movies but NOT in real life. Well, maybe the legend-of-miracles part. I was out of line? I guess that would put you in the sad sack hard core group then, wouldn't it. Yep, or perhaps I simply recognize that humor has its place, and that wasn't it. Got a question for you Sparaig..how many fingers can you get between your shirt collar and your neck? I'm getting pretty fat these days. All my collars are stretched out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/5/06 11:49 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi has publicly claimed that he is capable of levitating. He has? I never heard that. On one of the talk shows he's supposed to have said I could do it if I cared to or words to that effect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Comment of the day from a Fairfield friend
Title: Comment of the day from a Fairfield friend My life is great I just cant afford it! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Spartacus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 no_reply@ wrote: snip Actually, I'm Juan Negro and Geezer is NOT Turq! - Then again, Judy is not who s/he says s/he is I'm not?? Who do I say I am? (And I'm very definitely she, by the way.) Heh. In the USAF, part of the inititation of a new female night-shift airman was to casually say to another male: Check your mail? We'd both glance down and nod: Yep. Don't get me started on who was longer... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Spartacus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Sep 4, 2006, at 9:32 PM, geezerfreak wrote: Good lord peoplethe paranoia! No, I am not Barry. I don't who Barry is... Uh, huh, sure, that's what they all say...next thing you know you'll be telling us your name is Bevan Morris or something... No, I am Bevan Morris. :-) I'm Bevan. Thats big. But I am London. How does it feel to be shot by a fellow yogi? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
