[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote:> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:> > >> > > Sending the mayor an incorporated American city is slightly > > > more official-sounding then > > > someone from the TMO asking for the same thing.> > > > ***> > > > A mayor from a city with about 200 residents is not somebody > > with enough weight to make a difference.> > Especially if he walks into the offices wearing> flowing white robes and a Burger King crown. :-)>
 
I actually think the Burger King crown is more dignified looking...

King Burger

King Raam

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[FairfieldLife] Re: FOXNEWS:Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> this is like a FOXNEWS tactic ( there never was any Doomsday 
message )
>


Can you provide us with an example of FoxNews using a doomsday message 
as a tactic?






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[FairfieldLife] Cool translation of YS?

[cardemaister]

Just read a couple of Swami Venkatesananda's(sp?) 
commentarylike translations of YS. A random 
example, I 22:


Yet, again, it is possible to see a distinction between mild, middling 
and intense zeal, energy and effort, although yoga (which is 
spontaneous realization of oneness) and effort (which implies duality) 
are contradiction in terms.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: How Many Cults Do you / Did You Belong to?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Instead of calling the TMO a cult, personally I find its far more
> meaningful in terms of discussion and communication to say:
> 
> "The TMO is a strongly top-down organization, making moderate claims
> of being a unique path to enlightenment. Some experienced TMers can
> tend to exhibit elitism. The TMO at higher levels, uses mild control
> and motivation techniques."

As several have pointed out, the issue us not so 
much about "TMO as cult" as it is about "Some 
TMers are cultists."

I mean, the organization can try its best to 
manipulate all it wants, but if no one falls
for the manipulation, it's not a very successful
cult, now is it?  (Witness the failure of the
TM organization to get a measly 2000 people to
attend this latest course.)

My personal definition revolves not so much
around the organization as cult but around the
*behavior* of certain individuals within the
organization. Thus you can have an organization
that is pretty much a cult, but a bunch of 
people within that organization who *ignore*
all the cult manipulations and think for them-
selves. So they're not cultists in my book.
(An example of this might be some right-wing
Bible-thumper church that tries to intimidate
its members to vote Republican, but the congre-
gation votes its conscience instead, ignoring
all the manipulation.)

Then you've got the opposite, where *some* 
people within the cult-like organization take
upon themselves a ROLE -- they begin to identify
with the group so much that they begin to think 
of themselves as "defenders of the faith." 
It's the ROLE that makes them cultists.

People who adopt that ROLE are easy to spot 
because they are no longer in control of their 
lives.

Their actions are all determined by other 
people, the people they feel compelled to 
answer when "defending" the things they feel
are under attack. The cultists don't actually
ever initiate anything -- all they do is 
REACT. Someone says something they consider
negative or incorrect about their cult, and
the cultists "spring into action," coming up 
with any argument (or ad hominem) they can think
of to "prove" that the negativity isn't true.
And it never even OCCURS to them that they've
been suckered into doing this, and that the
people who said the stuff they're responding
to are using their own obsessions to control 
them.

IMO, all that they've "proved" is how easy
it is *to* control them. Anyone who wants a 
cultist to jump through hoops knows *exactly*
how to get them to do so. For example, if the 
person is a TM cultist, simply criticize TM. 
Bingo! The cultist HAS to respond, to "defend" 
the "honor" of the thing that they've become
a cultist about. 

In other words, my definition of a cultist 
is someone who can be consistently "programmed"
by those who have figured out what the cultist
is cultlike about.

A normal, everyday TMer who isn't over the top
can NOT be tricked into screaming and yelling
on the Internet to defend TM, just because 
someone says something negative about it. The
normal person just shrugs or laughs and goes
about his day. But the cultist CAN be tricked
into screaming and yelling. He LIVES for the
screaming and yelling, because he's assumed
the ROLE of apologist for his cult of choice.

Anyone who has adopted that ROLE has given 
up control of his or her life, and thus in
my book has become a cultist.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: India siddhas in primetime

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/about/
> >
> 


> who exactly are the indian siddhas to which you refer?
>



I had only glanced at the show's promo, which says that "A genetics 
professor in India discovers that there are people with superpowers, 
as people realize their extraordinary strengths." However,  now that 
I have seen this moderately entertaining show, premiering Monday 
nite, it turns out this people with flying, teleportation, etc., 
powers are all over the world:

"As a total eclipse casts its shadow across the globe, a genetics 
professor (Sendhil Ramamurthy, "Blind Guy Driving") in India is led 
by father's disappearance to uncover a secret theory -- there are 
people with super powers living among us. A young dreamer (Milo 
Ventimiglia, "Gilmore Girls") tries to convince his politician 
brother (Adrian Pasdar, "Judging Amy") that he can fly. A high school 
cheerleader (Hayden Panettiere, "Ice Princess") learns that she is 
totally indestructible. A Las Vegas stripper (Ali Larter, "Final 
Destination"), struggling to make ends meet to support her young son 
(Noah Gray-Cabey, "My Wife & Kids"), discovers that her mirror image 
has a secret. A fugitive from justice (Leonard Roberts, "Buffy the 
Vampire Slayer") continues to baffle authorities who twice have been 
unable to contain him. A gifted artist (Santiago Cabrera, "Empire"), 
whose drug addiction is destroying his life and relationship with his 
girlfriend (Tawny Cypress, NBC's "Third Watch"), can paint the 
future. A down-on-his-luck Los Angeles beat cop (Greg 
Grunberg, "Alias") can hear people's thoughts, which puts him on the 
trail of an elusive serial killer. In Japan, a young man (Masi Oka, 
NBC's "Scrubs") develops a way to stop time through sheer will power. 
Their ultimate destiny is nothing less than saving the world… 



The show is going to be rebroadcast online soon if you want to see it:

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/






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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > Sending the mayor an incorporated American city is slightly 
> > more official-sounding then 
> > someone from the TMO asking for the same thing.
> 
> ***
> 
> A mayor from a city with about 200 residents is not somebody 
> with enough weight to make a difference.

Especially if he walks into the offices wearing
flowing white robes and a Burger King crown.  :-)









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[FairfieldLife] FOXNEWS:Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[shukra69]

this is like a FOXNEWS tactic ( there never was any Doomsday message )






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[FairfieldLife] A couple of Unified Field theories!

[cardemaister]

http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.3/smolin.htm






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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[Ingegerd]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> bob_brigante wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>bob_brigante wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  
wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> bob_brigante wrote:
> 
> >from 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/message/12
19
> >>>  
> >>>
> >:
> >  
> >
>    
> 
> 
> 
> >Dear Friends,
> >
> >
> >I have just come out of the Invincible America Course meeting 
> >  
> >
> >with
> >  
> >
> >Maharishi. Over the past weeks Maharishi has been doing all 
he 
> >  
> >
> >can 
> >  
> >
> > 
> >
> >  
> >
> >>>to
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >expand the numbers flying in the Fairfield Domes from the 
present
> >1,100 to 2,000 to make USA invincible (and in so doing make 
the 
> > 
> >
> >  
> >
> >>>world
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >a much safer place!)
> >
> >
> >
> >A few days ago Maharishi sent Mayor Wynne off to India to 
> >  
> >
> >convince
> >  
> >
> >the USA Embassy to allow up to 2,000 pandits to come to 
> >  
> >
> >Fairfield.
> >  
> >
> >Today Maharishi announced that the Embassy has refused the
> >application. It was clear that Maharishi was deeply 
> >  
> >
> >disappointed -
> >  
> >
> >and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we 
MUST
> >get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become 
flyers) 
> >  
> >
> >to
> >  
> >
> >get the super-radiance number for USA.
> >
> > 
> >
> >  
> >
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> If TM were the full real deal you wouldn't need 2000 pundits 
from 
> India.   But God forbid that the average TM'er knows that the 
>    
> 
> 
> 
> >>>average 
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> Hindu knows.
> 
>    
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>The pundits know a specific body of knowledge which is not 
taught 
> >>>  
> >>>
> >to 
> >  
> >
> >>>Americans when they learn TM, namely how to recite  Vedic hymns 
in 
> >>>order to produce a desired influence in the environment, which 
is 
> >>>certainly not what the average Hindu knows, not any more than 
the 
> >>>average Hindu knows the skillset of a programmer in Bangalore.
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>But this can and has been be learned by Americans.  Why not 
teach 
> >>
> >>
> >this 
> >  
> >
> >>to  Americans for free?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >***
> >
> >If Americans were qualified to be Vedic pundits, they would have 
been 
> >born in India. Circumstances of birth are not random or 
democratic -- 
> >they reflect one's activities in past lives and one's current 
level 
> >of awareness.
> >
> >  
> >
> I don't buy that at all.  I know of two twin American girls who 
became 
> quite fluent in vedic chanting.  They amazed Indian pundits.
> 
> >On a more ordinary level of understanding, I learned in pursuing 
my 
> >Master's in Applied Linguistics that people who learn a new 
language 
> >after about the age of 15 never pronounce the new language as 
> >fluently as a learner who acquires language earlier in life. So 
it's 
> >not really possible to make Vedic pundits anywhere you like, even 
if 
> >you are ignorant about occupation based on karmic circumstances.
> >  
> >
> I didn't find chanting Sanskrit all that difficult.  After all you 
have 
> a much less ambiguous alphabet to work with than with western 
alphabets.

Some scientists are of the opinion that Sanskrit originally comes 
from Europe.
Ingegerd
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: India siddhas in primetime

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/about/
>

who exactly are the indian siddhas to which you refer?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hunters: get out the shotguns!

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Shoot, eat.
> 
> Here in the DC suburbs it is the same thing.  Having killed off all
> the apex predators for deer it is up to man or they just starve to
> death in large numbers which is much more cruel.  I don't hunt but 
I
> get a lot of venison from a hunter friend and it is fantastic 
meat. It
> is such a shame that any families in America go without good meat 
with
> this overpopulation of deer causing car accidents, deer tics with
> their lyme disease, and their own suffering in the Winter die-off 
in
> the unnatural world we have created for them.  I have heard of a
> cougar comeback but that will have its downsides for sure!




Until I was about 25 I pretty much lived in a big city (except for 
MIU which had its own kind of sheltering life).  I then took a job 
selling on the road which took me to Vermont, Maine, and the 
Canadian Maritime provinces...pretty much all rural areas.  The job 
required me to visit consumers in their homes and for the first time 
in my life I was exposed to hunters.

Up until then I had the typical stereotype of hunters from my 
sheltered upbringing in a city: I thought they all did it for sport 
and they killed the animal, threw away the carcass and hung the head 
up as a trophy.

I soon learned that virtually every hunter I met killed the animals 
almost exclusively for the meat (usually venison but sometimes elk) 
and virtually everyone of the hunters I met had one of those 
horizontal freezers to store the meat in.  So a successful hunting 
trip meant that they'd fill up that freezer and that would be their 
meat for the year.

And there are virtually millions of people in both the U.S. and 
Canada that depend on their hunting to give them their meat for the 
year.

Most city people simply are not aware of this cultural phenomenon of 
our rural areas.

And on a side topic: I have MUCH more respect for hunters who kill 
the meat that they eat than those of us who buy our red meat in a 
supermarket where the animal was raised on one of those godforsaken 
factory farms where the animal was basically tortured his whole life 
and brought up on all sorts of drugs and hormones to fatten him up.

At least with hunted meat the animal had a free life until the day 
he died and he isn't full of chemicals (well, maybe e.coli as we're 
now learning...but, hey, maybe we can blame that on global warming!)




> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > **
> > > > 
> > > > There are regular deer culls almost everywhere, including 
Iowa 
> > City:
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.gsenet.org/library/11gsn/2000/gs01108a.php
> > > > DEER SHARPSHOOTERS' WORK EARNS PRAISE
> > > > 
> > > > Date:
> > > > From: "Dennis W. Schvejda" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > 
> > > > By Robert Stern, Staff Writer, Times, 11/07/00
> > > > 
> > > >  When Iowa City first contemplated bringing the White Buffalo
> > > > sharpshooters to town to thin its increasingly bothersome 
deer
> > > > population last year, Pat Farrant cringed.
> > > > 
> > > >  Now Farrant, a self-described animal welfare activist and
> > > > chairwoman of Iowa City's deer-management advisory citizen
> > > > committee, reluctantly accepts White Buffalo's killing
> > > > techniques - which Princeton Township officials hope to
> > > > employ this winter - as a necessary evil.
> > > 
> > > I grew up in Princeton Township, and the folks who bought our 
home 
> > put
> > > up a 10' high deer fence around the house and yards because 
the 
> > deer
> > > had become so populous that they were destroying all the 
landscape 
> > plants.
> > >
> > 
> > Shoot, eat.
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: India siddhas in primetime

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/about/
>
 And the only twist is that these actors play people who actually have
special powers rather than wish that they do.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[Bhairitu]

bob_brigante wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>bob_brigante wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
bob_brigante wrote:

>from 



>>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/message/1219
>>>  
>>>
>:
>  
>
   



>Dear Friends,
>
>
>I have just come out of the Invincible America Course meeting 
>  
>
>with
>  
>
>Maharishi. Over the past weeks Maharishi has been doing all he 
>  
>
>can 
>  
>
> 
>
>  
>
>>>to
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>expand the numbers flying in the Fairfield Domes from the present
>1,100 to 2,000 to make USA invincible (and in so doing make the 
> 
>
>  
>
>>>world
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>a much safer place!)
>
>
>
>A few days ago Maharishi sent Mayor Wynne off to India to 
>  
>
>convince
>  
>
>the USA Embassy to allow up to 2,000 pandits to come to 
>  
>
>Fairfield.
>  
>
>Today Maharishi announced that the Embassy has refused the
>application. It was clear that Maharishi was deeply 
>  
>
>disappointed -
>  
>
>and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we MUST
>get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) 
>  
>
>to
>  
>
>get the super-radiance number for USA.
>
> 
>
>  
>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
If TM were the full real deal you wouldn't need 2000 pundits from 
India.   But God forbid that the average TM'er knows that the 
   



>>>average 
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Hindu knows.

   



>>>
>>>
>>>The pundits know a specific body of knowledge which is not taught 
>>>  
>>>
>to 
>  
>
>>>Americans when they learn TM, namely how to recite  Vedic hymns in 
>>>order to produce a desired influence in the environment, which is 
>>>certainly not what the average Hindu knows, not any more than the 
>>>average Hindu knows the skillset of a programmer in Bangalore.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>
>
>  
>
>>But this can and has been be learned by Americans.  Why not teach 
>>
>>
>this 
>  
>
>>to  Americans for free?
>>
>>
>>
>
>***
>
>If Americans were qualified to be Vedic pundits, they would have been 
>born in India. Circumstances of birth are not random or democratic -- 
>they reflect one's activities in past lives and one's current level 
>of awareness.
>
>  
>
I don't buy that at all.  I know of two twin American girls who became 
quite fluent in vedic chanting.  They amazed Indian pundits.

>On a more ordinary level of understanding, I learned in pursuing my 
>Master's in Applied Linguistics that people who learn a new language 
>after about the age of 15 never pronounce the new language as 
>fluently as a learner who acquires language earlier in life. So it's 
>not really possible to make Vedic pundits anywhere you like, even if 
>you are ignorant about occupation based on karmic circumstances.
>  
>
I didn't find chanting Sanskrit all that difficult.  After all you have 
a much less ambiguous alphabet to work with than with western alphabets.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
wrote:
> >
> > In reporting that the U.S. has refused entry for 2000 pundits to 
> > Vedic City, the TMO admits for the first time that the reason 
that 
> > the pundits did not come to Vedic City is because they were 
denied 
> > visas by the U.S. State Dept. (because the pundits are from poor 
> > families, poverty being the overwhelming reason that entry is 
> > denied). The question comes, if 500 pundits could not get visas, 
what 
> > was the point of asking to admit 2000? Maharishi operates at a 
level 
> > of life far away from the misery and stupidity of ordinary human 
> > life, so it's not surprising that he makes these unworkable 
requests, 
> > but surely the TMO could hire a consultant from outside its 
> > fruitloopy ranks to screen out these unworkable ideas and 
practice 
> > the art of the possible here and now? 
> > 
> > 
> 


> Sending the mayor an incorporated American city is slightly more 
official-sounding then 
> someone from the TMO asking for the same thing.

***

A mayor from a city with about 200 residents is not somebody with 
enough weight to make a difference.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> >
> > from 
> > 
> 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/message/1219:
> > 
> > Dear Friends,
> > 
> > 
> > I have just come out of the Invincible America Course meeting with
> > Maharishi. Over the past weeks Maharishi has been doing all he 
can 
> to
> > expand the numbers flying in the Fairfield Domes from the present
> > 1,100 to 2,000 to make USA invincible (and in so doing make the 
> world
> > a much safer place!)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > A few days ago Maharishi sent Mayor Wynne off to India to convince
> > the USA Embassy to allow up to 2,000 pandits to come to Fairfield.
> > Today Maharishi announced that the Embassy has refused the
> > application. It was clear that Maharishi was deeply disappointed -
> > and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we MUST
> > get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) 
to
> > get the super-radiance number for USA.>>
> 


> Some rich dude should just sue the US government for 
discrimination, 
> and for damages incurred nationwide as a result of this prejudiced 
> action of the US government. Sue the F*#&@s
> 
> This will have 2 effects:
> 1. Kick them up the butt and get their prejudiced redneck 
uneducated 
> asses fired.
> 2. Draw national attention to this issue.
> 
> OffWorld
>



The U.S. policy of denying visas for economic reasons (not letting in 
poor people because of the concern that they will not go home when 
their visas expire) is not discriminatory (except, obviously, on the 
basis of financial status) because it applies the same to applicants 
from every country. I would like to see the pundits here, but few 
Americans want every poor person in the world to move here, and most 
want to.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> bob_brigante wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>bob_brigante wrote:
> >>
> >>>from 
> >>
> 
>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/message/1219
:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Dear Friends,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I have just come out of the Invincible America Course meeting 
with
> >>>Maharishi. Over the past weeks Maharishi has been doing all he 
can 
> >>>  
> >>>
> >to
> >  
> >
> >>>expand the numbers flying in the Fairfield Domes from the present
> >>>1,100 to 2,000 to make USA invincible (and in so doing make the 
> >>>  
> >>>
> >world
> >  
> >
> >>>a much safer place!)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>A few days ago Maharishi sent Mayor Wynne off to India to 
convince
> >>>the USA Embassy to allow up to 2,000 pandits to come to 
Fairfield.
> >>>Today Maharishi announced that the Embassy has refused the
> >>>application. It was clear that Maharishi was deeply 
disappointed -
> >>>and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we MUST
> >>>get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) 
to
> >>>get the super-radiance number for USA.
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>If TM were the full real deal you wouldn't need 2000 pundits from 
> >>India.   But God forbid that the average TM'er knows that the 
> >>
> >>
> >average 
> >  
> >
> >>Hindu knows.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >The pundits know a specific body of knowledge which is not taught 
to 
> >Americans when they learn TM, namely how to recite  Vedic hymns in 
> >order to produce a desired influence in the environment, which is 
> >certainly not what the average Hindu knows, not any more than the 
> >average Hindu knows the skillset of a programmer in Bangalore.
> >


> But this can and has been be learned by Americans.  Why not teach 
this 
> to  Americans for free?
>

***

If Americans were qualified to be Vedic pundits, they would have been 
born in India. Circumstances of birth are not random or democratic -- 
they reflect one's activities in past lives and one's current level 
of awareness.

On a more ordinary level of understanding, I learned in pursuing my 
Master's in Applied Linguistics that people who learn a new language 
after about the age of 15 never pronounce the new language as 
fluently as a learner who acquires language earlier in life. So it's 
not really possible to make Vedic pundits anywhere you like, even if 
you are ignorant about occupation based on karmic circumstances.





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[FairfieldLife] India siddhas in primetime

[bob_brigante]

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/about/





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: "Free Rounding!": 'Boomers Vs. Gen- XYZ...'

[Bhairitu]

sparaig wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[...]
>  
>
>>I've  worked in the games industry for many years.  One interesting 
>>thing is that many of the game programmers don't play games.   I 
>>personally find them boring and a waste of time and wince when I 
>>actually have to play a game to debug it (I usually drop in a ton of 
>>cheats or set the code to go right to the spot where the bug has been 
>>reported).  Shoot'em ups or what we used to call "loop games" probably 
>>don't develop that much mental ability but will increase physical 
>>dexterity.   Some of the fantasy and role playing games and simulations 
>>require some thinking and problem solving so that is where it may help 
>>kids with their thinking.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Huh. You're an exception to the rule according to all the industry books and 
>interviews I've 
>read. The most interesting computer games in each genre are ALWAYS invented by 
>people 
>who have an interest in that genre.
>
>  
>
Well I guess that tells you the kind of hype and bullshit you get from 
just reading about it.  Living it is a different story altogether.   And 
just because some of us don't play games doesn't mean we didn't have an 
interest in the genre.  One reason we don't like to play is that is 
inefficient to spend the time to learn the game.  What I did when I 
wanted to see a new game is go see the QA people playing it because they 
played it well and had spent the time learning it.  The main concept in 
game design is the same as any other piece of entertainment: it must be 
compelling.  Once you know that playing them is irrelevant.

>And every company that hires games programmers, artists, etc., that I'm aware 
>of, looks 
>for people who have an interest in the kind of games that that company 
>specializes in.
>
>  
>
It was not a necessity where I worked and we produced some of the all 
time best selling games.  In fact there were a few programmers we hired 
that their dream job was to work at our company.  They learned that 
programmers don't design the games and the company wasn't the dream they 
thought it was.  They can provide some input but the designers and 
producers design the game.  These days that is even more specific.  I 
don't think anyone who came into the company with that reason ever 
lasted very long.

We had people who did really well who weren't into games that much at all.
 
My biggest problem was my DOD programmers who were excellent coders and 
problem solvers but couldn't work with a schedule at all.  I also had 
managers from other companies tell me they had run into the same problem.

>Of course, they also look for guys who juggle, play extreme sports, work magic 
>and/or 
>slight-of-hand, etc
>
I had to watch out that HR didn't put out ads for people with 5 years of 
DirectX programming when DirectX had only been around less than two 
years at the time.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:

> > It's like watching a family trying to bribe
> > mourners to come to the old patriarch's funeral,
> > just to preserve his illusions one last time...>>
> 
> I don't agree with you, however that is your best post in a long 
> timeit gives the cynic's veiwpoint in succinct, hard-hitting, 
> concise form.

Hardly in a position to complain about other
people holding grudges, is he?

And for sheer meanness, he's really hard to
beat.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why you never have to worry about Global Warming again!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> >  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > As everyone knows, Hurricane Katrina was caused by Global 
> > > Warming, as 
> > > > > many scientists and Al Gore have told us.
> > > > 
> > > > Citations, please, showing any qualified scientist
> > > > or Al Gore ever told us Hurricane Katrina was caused
> > > > by global warming.
> > > > 
> > > > (You don't have to cap "global warming," Shemp, it
> > > > isn't a proper noun.)
> > > 
> > > Al Gore:
> > 
> > Yes, and where does he say Katrina was caused by
> > global warming?
> 
> Read it again.
> 
> Better yet, read it three or four times.

Sorry, but that isn't what he said.


> 
> And then don't get back to me.
> 
> 
> > 
> > > "There are scientific warnings now of another onrushing 
> > catastrophe. 
> > > We were warned of an imminent attack by Al Qaeda; we didn't 
> > respond. 
> > > We were warned the levees would break in New Orleans; we didn't 
> > > respond. Now, the scientific community is warning us that the 
> > > average hurricane will continue to get stronger because of 
> global 
> > > warming. A scientist at MIT has published a study well before 
> this 
> > > tragedy showing that since the 1970s, hurricanes in both the 
> > > Atlantic and the Pacific have increased in duration, and in 
> > > intensity, by about 50 %. The newscasters told us after 
> Hurricane 
> > > Katrina went over the southern tip of Florida that there was a 
> > > particular danger for the Gulf Coast of the hurricanes becoming 
> > much 
> > > stronger because it was passing over unusually warm waters in 
> the 
> > > gulf. The waters in the gulf have been unusually warm. The 
> oceans 
> > > generally have been getting warmer. And the pattern is exactly 
> > > consistent with what scientists have predicted for twenty 
years. 
> > Two 
> > > thousand scientists, in a hundred countries, engaged in the 
most 
> > > elaborate, well organized scientific collaboration in the 
> history 
> > of 
> > > humankind, have produced long-since a consensus that we will 
> face a 
> > > string of terrible catastrophes unless we act to prepare 
> ourselves 
> > > and deal with the underlying causes of global warming. 
> [applause] 
> > It 
> > > is important to learn the lessons of what happens when 
> scientific 
> > > evidence and clear authoritative warnings are ignored in order 
> to 
> > > induce our leaders not to do it again and not to ignore the 
> > > scientists again and not to leave us unprotected in the face of 
> > > those threats that are facing us right now. [applause] "
> > > 
> > > From: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0912-32.htm
> > >
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: "Free Rounding!": 'Boomers Vs. Gen- XYZ...'

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> The broken ankle doesn't sound like a good endorsement but I will look
> into it, thanks.  I love soccer.
> 

he's a tad clumsy and went to block the ball with his foot and stepped off the 
VR 
platform...

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> > >
> > > on 9/25/06 2:00 PM, curtisdeltablues at curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Interesting.  I wonder if there will be more physically interactive
> > > > games.  Dance Revolution seems to be the only one that gets people
> > > > moving.  I would love a realistic feeling ping pong or tennis
> program
> > > > that allowed me to use a real paddle or racquet.  I guess that stuff
> > > > is still off in the world of hologram games of the future?
> > > > 
> > > I saw a boxing game on TV where the players held little paddles
> and moved
> > > their arms to make the figures box.
> > >
> > 
> > There are virtual reality soccer games. My son broke his ankle
> playing one...
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> bob_brigante wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>bob_brigante wrote:
> >>
> >>>from 
> >>
> >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/message/1219:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Dear Friends,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I have just come out of the Invincible America Course meeting with
> >>>Maharishi. Over the past weeks Maharishi has been doing all he can 
> >>>  
> >>>
> >to
> >  
> >
> >>>expand the numbers flying in the Fairfield Domes from the present
> >>>1,100 to 2,000 to make USA invincible (and in so doing make the 
> >>>  
> >>>
> >world
> >  
> >
> >>>a much safer place!)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>A few days ago Maharishi sent Mayor Wynne off to India to convince
> >>>the USA Embassy to allow up to 2,000 pandits to come to Fairfield.
> >>>Today Maharishi announced that the Embassy has refused the
> >>>application. It was clear that Maharishi was deeply disappointed -
> >>>and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we MUST
> >>>get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) to
> >>>get the super-radiance number for USA.
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>If TM were the full real deal you wouldn't need 2000 pundits from 
> >>India.   But God forbid that the average TM'er knows that the 
> >>
> >>
> >average 
> >  
> >
> >>Hindu knows.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >The pundits know a specific body of knowledge which is not taught to 
> >Americans when they learn TM, namely how to recite  Vedic hymns in 
> >order to produce a desired influence in the environment, which is 
> >certainly not what the average Hindu knows, not any more than the 
> >average Hindu knows the skillset of a programmer in Bangalore.
> >
> But this can and has been be learned by Americans.  Why not teach this 
> to  Americans for free?
>

Beause MMY is ultra-conservative in some ways, and believes that only Brahmins 
can be 
pundits?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> bob_brigante wrote:
> 
> >from 
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/message/1219:
> >
> >Dear Friends,
> >
> >
> >I have just come out of the Invincible America Course meeting with
> >Maharishi. Over the past weeks Maharishi has been doing all he can to
> >expand the numbers flying in the Fairfield Domes from the present
> >1,100 to 2,000 to make USA invincible (and in so doing make the world
> >a much safer place!)
> >
> >
> >
> >A few days ago Maharishi sent Mayor Wynne off to India to convince
> >the USA Embassy to allow up to 2,000 pandits to come to Fairfield.
> >Today Maharishi announced that the Embassy has refused the
> >application. It was clear that Maharishi was deeply disappointed -
> >and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we MUST
> >get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) to
> >get the super-radiance number for USA.
> >
> If TM were the full real deal you wouldn't need 2000 pundits from 
> India.   But God forbid that the average TM'er knows that the average 
> Hindu knows.
>

So, you're with Coldblue on this: TM is a total fake? A simplistic, beginner's 
technique that 
you've grown wy beyond?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
> >
> > from 
> >It was clear that Maharishi was deeply disappointed -
> > and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we MUST
> > get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) to
> > get the super-radiance number for USA.
> >
> Right. Or else what? You really believe that butt-bouncing in that
> dome is causing anything but increased income for the local
> chiropractors of FF?
> 
> I hate to bring up the dreaded "c" word again, but puh-leeeze!
> 
> Don't get me wrong. I too, felt like I was at (or near) the center of
> the universe back in the day. It's a heady feeling, no doubt about it.
> It's also the height of self importance/absorbtion.
>


Madam, I *am* London...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In reporting that the U.S. has refused entry for 2000 pundits to 
> Vedic City, the TMO admits for the first time that the reason that 
> the pundits did not come to Vedic City is because they were denied 
> visas by the U.S. State Dept. (because the pundits are from poor 
> families, poverty being the overwhelming reason that entry is 
> denied). The question comes, if 500 pundits could not get visas, what 
> was the point of asking to admit 2000? Maharishi operates at a level 
> of life far away from the misery and stupidity of ordinary human 
> life, so it's not surprising that he makes these unworkable requests, 
> but surely the TMO could hire a consultant from outside its 
> fruitloopy ranks to screen out these unworkable ideas and practice 
> the art of the possible here and now? 
> 
> 

Sending the mayor an incorporated American city is slightly more 
official-sounding then 
someone from the TMO asking for the same thing.

> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > from 
> > > 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/message/1219:
> > > 
> > > Dear Friends,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I have just come out of the Invincible America Course meeting with
> > > Maharishi. Over the past weeks Maharishi has been doing all he 
> can to
> > > expand the numbers flying in the Fairfield Domes from the present
> > > 1,100 to 2,000 to make USA invincible (and in so doing make the 
> world
> > > a much safer place!)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > A few days ago Maharishi sent Mayor Wynne off to India to convince
> > > the USA Embassy to allow up to 2,000 pandits to come to Fairfield.
> > > Today Maharishi announced that the Embassy has refused the
> > > application. It was clear that Maharishi was deeply disappointed -
> > > and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we MUST
> > > get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) 
> to
> > > get the super-radiance number for USA.
> > >
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: "Free Rounding!": 'Boomers Vs. Gen- XYZ...'

[curtisdeltablues]

The broken ankle doesn't sound like a good endorsement but I will look
into it, thanks.  I love soccer.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > on 9/25/06 2:00 PM, curtisdeltablues at curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
> > > 
> > > Interesting.  I wonder if there will be more physically interactive
> > > games.  Dance Revolution seems to be the only one that gets people
> > > moving.  I would love a realistic feeling ping pong or tennis
program
> > > that allowed me to use a real paddle or racquet.  I guess that stuff
> > > is still off in the world of hologram games of the future?
> > > 
> > I saw a boxing game on TV where the players held little paddles
and moved
> > their arms to make the figures box.
> >
> 
> There are virtual reality soccer games. My son broke his ankle
playing one...
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: "Free Rounding!": 'Boomers Vs. Gen- XYZ...'

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > I've  worked in the games industry for many years.  One interesting 
> > thing is that many of the game programmers don't play games.   I 
> > personally find them boring and a waste of time and wince when I 
> > actually have to play a game to debug it...
> 
> Tell me about it. I haven't played any computer game
> since the original SRI "Adventure," and don't feel
> the least bit deprived because of that.
>

There's a huge number of interesting games out there. For dungones and dragons 
fans 
there's the MMORPG games like Everquest and Worlds of Warcraft. For 
puzzle-lovers, 
there's all sorts of stuff. For sports lovers, likewise. While its true that 
reflexes aren't 
honed (except thumb-twitching) by most computer games, the military is able to 
afford 
high-end physical interface stuff and uses computer simulations training of 
everything 
from planes to tanks. They even use war game simulators as advertising for 
joining the 
military.

There's potential for using MMORPG technology to test and train future teams of 
people 
and recently, someone was hired as a technical manager partly due to his online 
experience as a guild leader in either EQ or WoW.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: "Free Rounding!": 'Boomers Vs. Gen- XYZ...'

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 9/25/06 2:00 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > Interesting.  I wonder if there will be more physically interactive
> > games.  Dance Revolution seems to be the only one that gets people
> > moving.  I would love a realistic feeling ping pong or tennis program
> > that allowed me to use a real paddle or racquet.  I guess that stuff
> > is still off in the world of hologram games of the future?
> > 
> I saw a boxing game on TV where the players held little paddles and moved
> their arms to make the figures box.
>

There are virtual reality soccer games. My son broke his ankle playing one...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: "Free Rounding!": 'Boomers Vs. Gen- XYZ...'

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> I've  worked in the games industry for many years.  One interesting 
> thing is that many of the game programmers don't play games.   I 
> personally find them boring and a waste of time and wince when I 
> actually have to play a game to debug it (I usually drop in a ton of 
> cheats or set the code to go right to the spot where the bug has been 
> reported).  Shoot'em ups or what we used to call "loop games" probably 
> don't develop that much mental ability but will increase physical 
> dexterity.   Some of the fantasy and role playing games and simulations 
> require some thinking and problem solving so that is where it may help 
> kids with their thinking.
>

Huh. You're an exception to the rule according to all the industry books and 
interviews I've 
read. The most interesting computer games in each genre are ALWAYS invented by 
people 
who have an interest in that genre.

And every company that hires games programmers, artists, etc., that I'm aware 
of, looks 
for people who have an interest in the kind of games that that company 
specializes in.

Of course, they also look for guys who juggle, play extreme sports, work magic 
and/or 
slight-of-hand, etc







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[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: "Free Rounding!": 'Boomers Vs. Gen- XYZ...'

[curtisdeltablues]

 I know !
> You have to learn that Big is Beautiful, but I just can't do it yet. 
> I will have to leave that for a more enlightened generation.
> 
> OffWorld

Finish this quote of the day:

"__" makes the men get wimpy and the women get blimpy.





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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > It is very real
> > problem among these students I feel , since they may not recover
> > from the obesity they gain in one to two years of stooped in front
> > of a computer.
> > 
> > OffWorld
> > 
> > 
> > Not to mention the great risk to the future quality of "Girls Gone
> > Wild" videos!>>
> 
> I know !
> You have to learn that Big is Beautiful, but I just can't do it yet. 
> I will have to leave that for a more enlightened generation.
> 
> OffWorld
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hunters: get out the shotguns!

[curtisdeltablues]

> Shoot, eat.

Here in the DC suburbs it is the same thing.  Having killed off all
the apex predators for deer it is up to man or they just starve to
death in large numbers which is much more cruel.  I don't hunt but I
get a lot of venison from a hunter friend and it is fantastic meat. It
is such a shame that any families in America go without good meat with
this overpopulation of deer causing car accidents, deer tics with
their lyme disease, and their own suffering in the Winter die-off in
the unnatural world we have created for them.  I have heard of a
cougar comeback but that will have its downsides for sure!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > **
> > > 
> > > There are regular deer culls almost everywhere, including Iowa 
> City:
> > > 
> > > http://www.gsenet.org/library/11gsn/2000/gs01108a.php
> > > DEER SHARPSHOOTERS' WORK EARNS PRAISE
> > > 
> > > Date:
> > > From: "Dennis W. Schvejda" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > 
> > > By Robert Stern, Staff Writer, Times, 11/07/00
> > > 
> > >  When Iowa City first contemplated bringing the White Buffalo
> > > sharpshooters to town to thin its increasingly bothersome deer
> > > population last year, Pat Farrant cringed.
> > > 
> > >  Now Farrant, a self-described animal welfare activist and
> > > chairwoman of Iowa City's deer-management advisory citizen
> > > committee, reluctantly accepts White Buffalo's killing
> > > techniques - which Princeton Township officials hope to
> > > employ this winter - as a necessary evil.
> > 
> > I grew up in Princeton Township, and the folks who bought our home 
> put
> > up a 10' high deer fence around the house and yards because the 
> deer
> > had become so populous that they were destroying all the landscape 
> plants.
> >
> 
> Shoot, eat.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: "Free Rounding!": 'Boomers Vs. Gen- XYZ...'

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> It is very real
> problem among these students I feel , since they may not recover
> from the obesity they gain in one to two years of stooped in front
> of a computer.
> 
> OffWorld
> 
> 
> Not to mention the great risk to the future quality of "Girls Gone
> Wild" videos!>>

I know !
You have to learn that Big is Beautiful, but I just can't do it yet. 
I will have to leave that for a more enlightened generation.

OffWorld






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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> > > "He emphasized that we MUST
> > > get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to 
> > > become flyers) to get the super-radiance number for USA."
> > 
> > Musterbation makes you go blind.
> 
> Call me cynical, but isn't it a lot like the 
> entire resources of the TM organization have
> been mobilized to provide the dying guru the 
> illusion that his students still any respect
> for him?
> 
> I mean, first they try to scare people into
> attending this course, and when that doesn't
> work, they try to "guilt" them into attending,
> and when *that* doesn't work, they finally
> try to PAY them to attend. And even *that*
> doesn't work. Then they issue press releases 
> bragging about the 1275 people who have 
> signed up, figuring that no one will notice
> that that's 125 fewer people than had signed 
> up previously.
> 
> *Then*, when all of these other methods have
> failed and they try to import a bunch of people
> from India to make it seem as if folks actually
> want to come to this course, even *that* fails.
> 
> It's like watching a family trying to bribe
> mourners to come to the old patriarch's funeral,
> just to preserve his illusions one last time...>>

I don't agree with you, however that is your best post in a long 
timeit gives the cynic's veiwpoint in succinct, hard-hitting, 
concise form.

OffWorld







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why you never have to worry about Global Warming again!

[shempmcgurk]

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > As everyone knows, Hurricane Katrina was caused by Global 
> > Warming, as 
> > > > many scientists and Al Gore have told us.
> > > 
> > > Citations, please, showing any qualified scientist
> > > or Al Gore ever told us Hurricane Katrina was caused
> > > by global warming.
> > > 
> > > (You don't have to cap "global warming," Shemp, it
> > > isn't a proper noun.)
> > 
> > Al Gore:
> 
> Yes, and where does he say Katrina was caused by
> global warming?



Read it again.

Better yet, read it three or four times.

And then don't get back to me.


> 
> > "There are scientific warnings now of another onrushing 
> catastrophe. 
> > We were warned of an imminent attack by Al Qaeda; we didn't 
> respond. 
> > We were warned the levees would break in New Orleans; we didn't 
> > respond. Now, the scientific community is warning us that the 
> > average hurricane will continue to get stronger because of 
global 
> > warming. A scientist at MIT has published a study well before 
this 
> > tragedy showing that since the 1970s, hurricanes in both the 
> > Atlantic and the Pacific have increased in duration, and in 
> > intensity, by about 50 %. The newscasters told us after 
Hurricane 
> > Katrina went over the southern tip of Florida that there was a 
> > particular danger for the Gulf Coast of the hurricanes becoming 
> much 
> > stronger because it was passing over unusually warm waters in 
the 
> > gulf. The waters in the gulf have been unusually warm. The 
oceans 
> > generally have been getting warmer. And the pattern is exactly 
> > consistent with what scientists have predicted for twenty years. 
> Two 
> > thousand scientists, in a hundred countries, engaged in the most 
> > elaborate, well organized scientific collaboration in the 
history 
> of 
> > humankind, have produced long-since a consensus that we will 
face a 
> > string of terrible catastrophes unless we act to prepare 
ourselves 
> > and deal with the underlying causes of global warming. 
[applause] 
> It 
> > is important to learn the lessons of what happens when 
scientific 
> > evidence and clear authoritative warnings are ignored in order 
to 
> > induce our leaders not to do it again and not to ignore the 
> > scientists again and not to leave us unprotected in the face of 
> > those threats that are facing us right now. [applause] "
> > 
> > From: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0912-32.htm
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> from 
> 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/message/1219:
> 
> Dear Friends,
> 
> 
> I have just come out of the Invincible America Course meeting with
> Maharishi. Over the past weeks Maharishi has been doing all he can 
to
> expand the numbers flying in the Fairfield Domes from the present
> 1,100 to 2,000 to make USA invincible (and in so doing make the 
world
> a much safer place!)
> 
> 
> 
> A few days ago Maharishi sent Mayor Wynne off to India to convince
> the USA Embassy to allow up to 2,000 pandits to come to Fairfield.
> Today Maharishi announced that the Embassy has refused the
> application. It was clear that Maharishi was deeply disappointed -
> and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we MUST
> get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) to
> get the super-radiance number for USA.>>

Some rich dude should just sue the US government for discrimination, 
and for damages incurred nationwide as a result of this prejudiced 
action of the US government. Sue the F*#&@s

This will have 2 effects:
1. Kick them up the butt and get their prejudiced redneck uneducated 
asses fired.
2. Draw national attention to this issue.

OffWorld








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left / David Horowitz

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>
> I got the book "Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American 
> Left " today, which i wonder if anyone read and/or have opinion 
> about.
> 
> The irony is that i just found out that Chavez very much liked Noam 
> Chomsky's book,
> Hegemony or Survival and recommended it.
> 
> well, "congrats" to the left, you seem to prove Horowitz's points.

"Though strange bedfellows, America's liberals and radical Muslims 
stand on suspiciously similar ground in refusing to condemn Islamis 
terrorism, in criticizing America and the West, and in opposing efforts 
to export captialism and democracy."

Excuse me?  Refusing to condemn Islamic terrorism?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hunters: get out the shotguns!

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
wrote:
> >
> > 
> > **
> > 
> > There are regular deer culls almost everywhere, including Iowa 
City:
> > 
> > http://www.gsenet.org/library/11gsn/2000/gs01108a.php
> > DEER SHARPSHOOTERS' WORK EARNS PRAISE
> > 
> > Date:
> > From: "Dennis W. Schvejda" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > By Robert Stern, Staff Writer, Times, 11/07/00
> > 
> >  When Iowa City first contemplated bringing the White Buffalo
> > sharpshooters to town to thin its increasingly bothersome deer
> > population last year, Pat Farrant cringed.
> > 
> >  Now Farrant, a self-described animal welfare activist and
> > chairwoman of Iowa City's deer-management advisory citizen
> > committee, reluctantly accepts White Buffalo's killing
> > techniques - which Princeton Township officials hope to
> > employ this winter - as a necessary evil.
> 
> I grew up in Princeton Township, and the folks who bought our home 
put
> up a 10' high deer fence around the house and yards because the 
deer
> had become so populous that they were destroying all the landscape 
plants.
>

Shoot, eat.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mel's big mouth occasionally right?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/26/movies/25cnd-mel.html
> 
> "[Gibson]...compared the American troop deployment in Iraq to the 
kind 
> of human sacrifice depicted in his film, about ancient Mayans, 
> according to The Hollywood Reporter."
>


As I pointed out here several months ago, Mel is a leftie, NOT a 
rightie as is commonly believed.

Indeed, it should be remembered that the reason Mel's father brought 
the family to Australia back in the late '60s was so that his sons 
wouldn't be drafted into the Vietnam War...

Mel is a Martin Sheen type leftie: big on Catholicism, big on leftie 
causes, except abortion (Sheen is a radical right-to-lifer).






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left / David Horowitz

[larry.potter]

to close the circle, adding that Chavez friendship with part of 
Radical Islam is not a bit surprising and imo suggests that
it's not about religion but more about growing 'pure' hatred
and ignorance as to the ways to soften it.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I got the book "Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American 
> Left " today, which i wonder if anyone read and/or have opinion 
> about.
> 
> The irony is that i just found out that Chavez very much liked 
Noam 
> Chomsky's book,
> Hegemony or Survival and recommended it.
> 
> well, "congrats" to the left, you seem to prove Horowitz's points.
> 
> 
> "
> Chomsky's book: Plug by Chavez proves lucrative 
> 
> Venezuela's president reference to Chomsky's book on US during UN 
> speech results in huge boost to book's sales 
> 
> Merav Yudilovitch and AFP Published:  09.25.06, 18:16  
> 
> Author Noam Chomsky's "Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for 
> Global Dominance" remained perched atop of Amazon.com's bestseller 
> list, after its plug last week by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez 
> during a fiery UN speech condemning US President George W. Bush.
> 
> The popular online company showed the 2003 book still as its 
biggest 
> seller, after having claimed the top spot Friday following 
Chavez's 
>  
> recommendation of it as "an excellent book to help us understand 
> what has been happening in the world throughout the 20th 
century ... 
> and the greatest threat looming over our planet."
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hunters: get out the shotguns!

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > The last line of the article contains a telling bit of 
info: "...an 
> > overabundance of deer...".
> > 
> > Haven't I been reading stories of places like Long Island, New 
York 
> > where they've had a deer problem in the suburbs because there 
are 
> > too many of them and the PETA crowd has successfully prevented 
> > people from "culling the herd" by shooting them?
> > 
> > With the info from this article, is it too soon to predict that 
> > there will be renewed calls for Bambi's slaughter?
> 
> Do they grow spinach in the suburbs?
>

No, but deer will still shit in the suburbs whether or not a nice 
bed of lettuce is there to cushion their plops as they fall to the 
ground.







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[FairfieldLife] Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left / David Horowitz

[larry.potter]

I got the book "Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American 
Left " today, which i wonder if anyone read and/or have opinion 
about.

The irony is that i just found out that Chavez very much liked Noam 
Chomsky's book,
Hegemony or Survival and recommended it.

well, "congrats" to the left, you seem to prove Horowitz's points.


"
Chomsky's book: Plug by Chavez proves lucrative 

Venezuela's president reference to Chomsky's book on US during UN 
speech results in huge boost to book's sales 

Merav Yudilovitch and AFP Published:  09.25.06, 18:16  

Author Noam Chomsky's "Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for 
Global Dominance" remained perched atop of Amazon.com's bestseller 
list, after its plug last week by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez 
during a fiery UN speech condemning US President George W. Bush.

The popular online company showed the 2003 book still as its biggest 
seller, after having claimed the top spot Friday following Chavez's 
 
recommendation of it as "an excellent book to help us understand 
what has been happening in the world throughout the 20th century ... 
and the greatest threat looming over our planet."
 






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[Bhairitu]

bob_brigante wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>bob_brigante wrote:
>>
>>>from 
>>
>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/message/1219:
>>
>>
>>>Dear Friends,
>>>
>>>
>>>I have just come out of the Invincible America Course meeting with
>>>Maharishi. Over the past weeks Maharishi has been doing all he can 
>>>  
>>>
>to
>  
>
>>>expand the numbers flying in the Fairfield Domes from the present
>>>1,100 to 2,000 to make USA invincible (and in so doing make the 
>>>  
>>>
>world
>  
>
>>>a much safer place!)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>A few days ago Maharishi sent Mayor Wynne off to India to convince
>>>the USA Embassy to allow up to 2,000 pandits to come to Fairfield.
>>>Today Maharishi announced that the Embassy has refused the
>>>application. It was clear that Maharishi was deeply disappointed -
>>>and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we MUST
>>>get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) to
>>>get the super-radiance number for USA.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>If TM were the full real deal you wouldn't need 2000 pundits from 
>>India.   But God forbid that the average TM'er knows that the 
>>
>>
>average 
>  
>
>>Hindu knows.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>The pundits know a specific body of knowledge which is not taught to 
>Americans when they learn TM, namely how to recite  Vedic hymns in 
>order to produce a desired influence in the environment, which is 
>certainly not what the average Hindu knows, not any more than the 
>average Hindu knows the skillset of a programmer in Bangalore.
>
But this can and has been be learned by Americans.  Why not teach this 
to  Americans for free?



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hunters: get out the shotguns!

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> **
> 
> There are regular deer culls almost everywhere, including Iowa City:
> 
> http://www.gsenet.org/library/11gsn/2000/gs01108a.php
> DEER SHARPSHOOTERS' WORK EARNS PRAISE
> 
> Date:
> From: "Dennis W. Schvejda" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> By Robert Stern, Staff Writer, Times, 11/07/00
> 
>  When Iowa City first contemplated bringing the White Buffalo
> sharpshooters to town to thin its increasingly bothersome deer
> population last year, Pat Farrant cringed.
> 
>  Now Farrant, a self-described animal welfare activist and
> chairwoman of Iowa City's deer-management advisory citizen
> committee, reluctantly accepts White Buffalo's killing
> techniques - which Princeton Township officials hope to
> employ this winter - as a necessary evil.

I grew up in Princeton Township, and the folks who bought our home put
up a 10' high deer fence around the house and yards because the deer
had become so populous that they were destroying all the landscape plants.






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[FairfieldLife] Mel's big mouth occasionally right?

[bob_brigante]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/26/movies/25cnd-mel.html

"[Gibson]...compared the American troop deployment in Iraq to the kind 
of human sacrifice depicted in his film, about ancient Mayans, 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: How Many Cults Do you / Did You Belong to?

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> new.morning wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >  
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>What is your definition of a cult?   
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Thats the point. Everyone has something differnt in mind in terms of
> >the attributes of a cult. And often different intensities are applied,
> >internally by each, to various attributes. Thus the word itself loses
> >much value for clear communication  -- but retains its emotional
> >charge and its ability to dampen  down conversation and rational
thought.
> >
> >Far better, IMO, than using loaded, power words like "cult", is to
> >decompose the word and examine and discuss the various specific
> >attributes one has in mind. And how different organizations may
> >manifest more or less intensities of these attributes compared to
> >other orgs. 
> >
> >Depending on how one means the term (and the precise definitions are
> >often not communicated), little league could be a cult -- or almost
> >nothing is.
> >
> But we usually speak in abstractions not concretes.  Speaking in 
> concretes is burdensome and for lawyers.   I think with the web we've 
> gotten a little obsessed with concreteness as everyone expect you to 
> look up everything on the search engines before you make a statement. 
> 

Instead of calling the TMO a cult, personally I find its far more
meaningful in terms of discussion and communication to say:

"The TMO is a strongly top-down organization, making moderate claims
of being a unique path to enlightenment. Some experienced TMers can
tend to exhibit elitism. The TMO at higher levels, uses mild control
and motivation techniques."

This specifies the type and intestity of cult traits that the TMO has
-- and distinguishes it from the attributes and intensity levels of
other "cults", say Scientology or Moonies.

Some may cast this off as unaccessible lawyer talk. I find it
accessible, clear and far more useful than "the TMO is a cult" --
which is a next to meaningless abstraction. 




1 Any group which has a pyramid type authoritarian leadership
structure with all teaching and guidance coming from the
person/persons at the top.


-2 The group will claim to be the only way to God; Nirvana; Paradise;
Ultimate Reality; Full Potential, Way to Happiness etc,


-3 and will use thought reform or mind control techniques to gain
control and keep their members.

-4 The group will have an ELITIST view of itself in relation to
others, and a UNIQUE CAUSE. e.i. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES RIGHT -





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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> from 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/message/1219:
> 
> Dear Friends,
> 
> 
> I have just come out of the Invincible America Course meeting with
> Maharishi. Over the past weeks Maharishi has been doing all he can t
> 
snip
  
> A few days ago Maharishi sent Mayor Wynne off to India to convince
> the USA Embassy to allow up to 2,000 pandits to come to Fairfield.
> Today Maharishi announced that the Embassy has refused the
> application. It was clear that Maharishi was deeply disappointed -
> and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we MUST
> get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) to
> get the super-radiance number for USA.
>

I guess the question is: Do you believe that? 
And the second question is: Why didn't they check it out before
raising the money? 
And the third is: Is the money being returned? 

Simple obvious questions that any charity would need to answer. 

JohnY








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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> bob_brigante wrote:
> 
> >from 
> 
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/message/1219:
> >
> >Dear Friends,
> >
> >
> >I have just come out of the Invincible America Course meeting with
> >Maharishi. Over the past weeks Maharishi has been doing all he can 
to
> >expand the numbers flying in the Fairfield Domes from the present
> >1,100 to 2,000 to make USA invincible (and in so doing make the 
world
> >a much safer place!)
> >
> >
> >
> >A few days ago Maharishi sent Mayor Wynne off to India to convince
> >the USA Embassy to allow up to 2,000 pandits to come to Fairfield.
> >Today Maharishi announced that the Embassy has refused the
> >application. It was clear that Maharishi was deeply disappointed -
> >and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we MUST
> >get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) to
> >get the super-radiance number for USA.
> >



> If TM were the full real deal you wouldn't need 2000 pundits from 
> India.   But God forbid that the average TM'er knows that the 
average 
> Hindu knows.
>



The pundits know a specific body of knowledge which is not taught to 
Americans when they learn TM, namely how to recite  Vedic hymns in 
order to produce a desired influence in the environment, which is 
certainly not what the average Hindu knows, not any more than the 
average Hindu knows the skillset of a programmer in Bangalore.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hunters: get out the shotguns!

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> The last line of the article contains a telling bit of info: "...an 
> overabundance of deer...".
> 
> Haven't I been reading stories of places like Long Island, New York 
> where they've had a deer problem in the suburbs because there are 
> too many of them and the PETA crowd has successfully prevented 
> people from "culling the herd" by shooting them?
> 
> With the info from this article, is it too soon to predict that 
> there will be renewed calls for Bambi's slaughter?
> 
> 

**

There are regular deer culls almost everywhere, including Iowa City:

http://www.gsenet.org/library/11gsn/2000/gs01108a.php
DEER SHARPSHOOTERS' WORK EARNS PRAISE

Date:
From: "Dennis W. Schvejda" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

By Robert Stern, Staff Writer, Times, 11/07/00

 When Iowa City first contemplated bringing the White Buffalo
sharpshooters to town to thin its increasingly bothersome deer
population last year, Pat Farrant cringed.

 Now Farrant, a self-described animal welfare activist and chairwoman
of Iowa City's deer-management advisory citizen committee, reluctantly
accepts White Buffalo's killing techniques - which Princeton Township
officials hope to employ this winter - as a necessary evil.

 "What we needed done, an essentially horrible thing, we wanted done
professionally and humanely. And this was it," Farrant said.

 If New Jersey's Fish and Game Council approves Princeton's proposal
to make Connecticut-based nonprofit White Buffalo the key component of
a local deer-management plan, the township would become the eighth
municipality in the country to hire the company to carry out a
communitywide deer sharpshooting plan.

 And it would be the first New Jersey community to use sharpshooters -
armed with high-powered rifles and silencers - to kill deer they draw
to baiting stations, primarily at night, on public and approved
private lands.

 The Fish and Game Council's next meeting is Nov. 14, but it remains
uncertain whether Princeton's proposal will be on the agenda that day.

 White Buffalo, which would be paid a maximum of $90,000 for its work
in Princeton, would distribute venison from the deer killed to area
food banks.

 The agency's services include not only sharpshooting, but trapping
and relocating deer far out of town, deer-population counts and
contraception feasibility studies.

 But Princeton is hiring White Buffalo for sharpshooting, the method
for which it and towns elsewhere have taken the most heat from some
residents and animal rights' activists, who say the practice is
inhumane, ineffective and potentially unsafe.

 Yet, officials in towns that have relied on White Buffalo say Anthony
DeNicola's team has given them no reason to regret their decision.

 Lisa Mollenhauer, administrative assistant to Iowa City's manager,
said the city of about 60,000 did not receive a single complaint
specifically about White Buffalo once its sharpshooters began work
last year.

 That is not to say everyone in Iowa City is a fan of White Buffalo's
methods, which differ from hunting in that the deer are not killed for
sport but are baited and taken down with a single shot to the head.

 "We certainly have a number of folks who do not agree with the
shooting of deer. But (White Buffalo's) actual work has not been
criticized," Mollenhauer said.

 Iowa City hired White Buffalo last November to use its marksmen to
bring the city's burgeoning deer population - which city estimates
indicate expanded by 77 percent between 1997 and 1999 - under control.

 During a 10-day mission in January, the marksmen killed 360 deer from
a 4-square-mile section of the city and donated about 13,000 pounds of
ground venison to area food banks.

 A count of the city's deer population after the spring mating season
that followed January's sharpshoot showed that the herd had increased
by only 6 percent since 1999, Mollenhauer said.

 So pleased were Iowa City officials with the first-year results and
what Mollenhauer describes as a "remarkable response from folks
willing to have White Buffalo work on their land" that they are
bringing DeNicola's group back for a sharpshoot of up to 500 deer,
mostly females, this winter.

 Other communities and private land owners from New England to the
Midwest also have tapped the tiny White Buffalo's deer-management
services since DeNicola, whose doctoral dissertation at Purdue
University was on the use of contraceptives to control deer, launched
it five years ago.

 "We were seeing herds of 20 to 40 deer graze in fields (in 1994),"
said Stuart Fox, manager of parks and natural resources for Eden
Prairie, Minn. "Now, we're not seeing herds of deer. We're seeing a
lot of deer, but not in herds."

 Eden Prairie, a 36-square-mile suburb of Minneapolis that has grown
from 46,000 to 56,000 people since 1994, has used sharpshooting for
six years to reduce its deer population, which Fox said had been as
dense as 125 deer 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Many Cults Do you / Did You Belong to?

[Bhairitu]

new.morning wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>
>  
>
>>What is your definition of a cult?   
>>
>>
>
>Thats the point. Everyone has something differnt in mind in terms of
>the attributes of a cult. And often different intensities are applied,
>internally by each, to various attributes. Thus the word itself loses
>much value for clear communication  -- but retains its emotional
>charge and its ability to dampen  down conversation and rational thought.
>
>Far better, IMO, than using loaded, power words like "cult", is to
>decompose the word and examine and discuss the various specific
>attributes one has in mind. And how different organizations may
>manifest more or less intensities of these attributes compared to
>other orgs. 
>
>Depending on how one means the term (and the precise definitions are
>often not communicated), little league could be a cult -- or almost
>nothing is.
>
But we usually speak in abstractions not concretes.  Speaking in 
concretes is burdensome and for lawyers.   I think with the web we've 
gotten a little obsessed with concreteness as everyone expect you to 
look up everything on the search engines before you make a statement.

> 
>  
>



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hunters: get out the shotguns!

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> The last line of the article contains a telling bit of info: "...an 
> overabundance of deer...".
> 
> Haven't I been reading stories of places like Long Island, New York 
> where they've had a deer problem in the suburbs because there are 
> too many of them and the PETA crowd has successfully prevented 
> people from "culling the herd" by shooting them?
> 
> With the info from this article, is it too soon to predict that 
> there will be renewed calls for Bambi's slaughter?

Do they grow spinach in the suburbs?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why you never have to worry about Global Warming again!

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > As everyone knows, Hurricane Katrina was caused by Global 
> Warming, as 
> > > many scientists and Al Gore have told us.
> > 
> > Citations, please, showing any qualified scientist
> > or Al Gore ever told us Hurricane Katrina was caused
> > by global warming.
> > 
> > (You don't have to cap "global warming," Shemp, it
> > isn't a proper noun.)
> 
> Al Gore:

Yes, and where does he say Katrina was caused by
global warming?

> "There are scientific warnings now of another onrushing 
catastrophe. 
> We were warned of an imminent attack by Al Qaeda; we didn't 
respond. 
> We were warned the levees would break in New Orleans; we didn't 
> respond. Now, the scientific community is warning us that the 
> average hurricane will continue to get stronger because of global 
> warming. A scientist at MIT has published a study well before this 
> tragedy showing that since the 1970s, hurricanes in both the 
> Atlantic and the Pacific have increased in duration, and in 
> intensity, by about 50 %. The newscasters told us after Hurricane 
> Katrina went over the southern tip of Florida that there was a 
> particular danger for the Gulf Coast of the hurricanes becoming 
much 
> stronger because it was passing over unusually warm waters in the 
> gulf. The waters in the gulf have been unusually warm. The oceans 
> generally have been getting warmer. And the pattern is exactly 
> consistent with what scientists have predicted for twenty years. 
Two 
> thousand scientists, in a hundred countries, engaged in the most 
> elaborate, well organized scientific collaboration in the history 
of 
> humankind, have produced long-since a consensus that we will face a 
> string of terrible catastrophes unless we act to prepare ourselves 
> and deal with the underlying causes of global warming. [applause] 
It 
> is important to learn the lessons of what happens when scientific 
> evidence and clear authoritative warnings are ignored in order to 
> induce our leaders not to do it again and not to ignore the 
> scientists again and not to leave us unprotected in the face of 
> those threats that are facing us right now. [applause] "
> 
> From: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0912-32.htm
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> >
> > In reporting that the U.S. has refused entry for 2000 pundits to 
> > Vedic City, the TMO admits for the first time that the reason 
that 
> > the pundits did not come to Vedic City is because they were 
denied 
> > visas by the U.S. State Dept. (because the pundits are from poor 
> > families, poverty being the overwhelming reason that entry is 
> > denied). The question comes, if 500 pundits could not get visas, 
> what 
> > was the point of asking to admit 2000? Maharishi operates at a 
> level 
> > of life far away from the misery and stupidity of ordinary human 
> > life, so it's not surprising that he makes these unworkable 
> requests, 
> > but surely the TMO could hire a consultant from outside its 
> > fruitloopy ranks to screen out these unworkable ideas and 
practice 
> > the art of the possible here and now? 
> > 
> Why not fly the pundits into a Mexican border town (Neuvo Laredo, 
> Nogales, and Tijuana come to mind), and let 'nature' do the rest? 
> They'd be in Iowa within the week...
>

...the week's best post!







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Re: [FairfieldLife] U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[Bhairitu]

bob_brigante wrote:

>from 
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/message/1219:
>
>Dear Friends,
>
>
>I have just come out of the Invincible America Course meeting with
>Maharishi. Over the past weeks Maharishi has been doing all he can to
>expand the numbers flying in the Fairfield Domes from the present
>1,100 to 2,000 to make USA invincible (and in so doing make the world
>a much safer place!)
>
>
>
>A few days ago Maharishi sent Mayor Wynne off to India to convince
>the USA Embassy to allow up to 2,000 pandits to come to Fairfield.
>Today Maharishi announced that the Embassy has refused the
>application. It was clear that Maharishi was deeply disappointed -
>and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we MUST
>get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) to
>get the super-radiance number for USA.
>
If TM were the full real deal you wouldn't need 2000 pundits from 
India.   But God forbid that the average TM'er knows that the average 
Hindu knows.



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[FairfieldLife] Hunters: get out the shotguns!

[shempmcgurk]

The last line of the article contains a telling bit of info: "...an 
overabundance of deer...".

Haven't I been reading stories of places like Long Island, New York 
where they've had a deer problem in the suburbs because there are 
too many of them and the PETA crowd has successfully prevented 
people from "culling the herd" by shooting them?

With the info from this article, is it too soon to predict that 
there will be renewed calls for Bambi's slaughter?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/09/22/e_coli/
> 
> The truth about the E. coli outbreak
> It's not the spinach, it's not the cows, it's not the water -- it 
now 
> may be the deer that are making people sick.
> 
> By Marc Siegel
> 
>  
> Sept. 22, 2006 | The current E. coli outbreak that has spread 
across 
> almost half of the United States isn't really about spinach. It's 
> about a powerful bacterium -- which today we have learned seems to 
be 
> issuing from the deer population in Salinas Valley, California. 
> 
> While a number of scientists have considered a contaminated water 
> supply to be the possible culprit, Dr. Robert Tauxe -- a medical 
> epidemiologist and the deputy director of the Division of 
Foodborne, 
> Bacterial, and Mycotic diseases at the Centers for Disease Control 
> and Prevention -- says it's likely that the outbreak has spread 
> through the droppings of deer that dance unchecked across 
California 
> spinach fields. Tauxe, with whom I spoke today, mentioned that 
deer 
> manure may have contaminated water supplies as well as spinach 
> fields. 
> 
> Tauxe also says that this particular E. coli bacterium, which 
infects 
> the feces of many animals, including cows and deer, may be the 
worst 
> E. coli the CDC has seen. 
> 
> As the CDC scientists test the culprit bacterium under the 
microscope 
> and compare DNA footprints, looking find its source, they are 
> uncovering characteristics that reveal why it has spread so far 
and 
> so fast. 
> 
> The CDC scientists were at work until almost midnight last night 
> trying to determine why people are getting so sick. They have 
> discovered, Tauxe says, that the strain of E. coli in question is 
the 
> very virulent Escherichia coli O157:H7. "This may be the worst 
actor 
> we've seen," he said, "in terms of all the kidney failure and 
> hospitalizations." 
> 
> Tauxe said that studies being done in the laboratory at the CDC 
are 
> not likely to show drug resistance because "less than 1 percent of 
E. 
> coli is drug-resistant." 
> 
> E. coli O157 regularly resides in the intestines of animals 
including 
> cows, deer and pigs, where it doesn't cause disease. This 
bacterium 
> makes the powerful "shiga" toxin, which breaks down the inside 
walls 
> of blood vessels, causing bleeding and clotting. But cows and deer 
> lack the receptors for this toxin on their blood cells, so they 
don't 
> bleed and they don't clot. In fact, they have no symptoms at all. 
> Cows and deer shed O157 into their stool, just as we humans shed 
> thousands of kinds of bacteria that live in our intestines but 
don't 
> make us sick. 
> 
> But very small amounts of the more virulent strains make us very 
> sick. The current outbreak, with 159 cases across 24 states, 
includes 
> 83 hospitalized individuals, of whom 27 (17 percent) developed the 
> rare form of kidney failure known as hemolytic-uremic syndrome 
that 
> is characteristic of the most severe form of this disease. This 
> outbreak has included rates of kidney failure and hospitalization 
at 
> three times the rate that is usually seen with this disease. 
> 
>  "There are many factors in addition to virulence that go into why 
> this E. coli is making us sicker," says Dr. Philip Tierno, 
director 
> of Clinical Microbiological and Diagnostic Immunology at the New 
York 
> Medical Center and author of "The Secret Life of Germs." "A 
heavier 
> concentration of the bacteria on spinach leads to more bacteria 
> ingested. The more bacteria, the greater the amount of toxin, 
which 
> leads to more complications, including the kidney failure we're 
> seeing." 
> 
> "Animals are incubators for E. coli O157," Tierno says. Once it is 
> shed in manure, it may spread to water and plants. A high 
> concentration of this bacterium on the initial spinach crop leads 
to 
> an explosion of bacterial growth within the harvested fields. 
Eleven 
> outbreaks in salad foods have occurred in the United States since 
> 1995. 
> 
> Tauxe at the CDC is confident that the outbreak will be 
> controlled. "We're not seeing a lot of secondary spread," he 
> said. "Nothing among people who have touched those who are sick, 
no 
> one in nursing homes. That's a very good sign." 
> 
> But for those who have gotten the dreaded bug, a high percentage 
have 
> gotten sick. This is a wakeup call for the food industry. 
Inadequate 
> surveillance and easily contaminated crops -- and

[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> In reporting that the U.S. has refused entry for 2000 pundits to 
> Vedic City, the TMO admits for the first time that the reason that 
> the pundits did not come to Vedic City is because they were denied 
> visas by the U.S. State Dept. (because the pundits are from poor 
> families, poverty being the overwhelming reason that entry is 
> denied). The question comes, if 500 pundits could not get visas, 
what 
> was the point of asking to admit 2000? Maharishi operates at a 
level 
> of life far away from the misery and stupidity of ordinary human 
> life, so it's not surprising that he makes these unworkable 
requests, 
> but surely the TMO could hire a consultant from outside its 
> fruitloopy ranks to screen out these unworkable ideas and practice 
> the art of the possible here and now? 





Without these silly, impossible-to-satisfy requests, how else can 
the United States be blamed for the evils that befall it?






> 
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > from 
> > > 
> 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/message/1219:
> > > 
> > > Dear Friends,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I have just come out of the Invincible America Course meeting 
with
> > > Maharishi. Over the past weeks Maharishi has been doing all he 
> can to
> > > expand the numbers flying in the Fairfield Domes from the 
present
> > > 1,100 to 2,000 to make USA invincible (and in so doing make 
the 
> world
> > > a much safer place!)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > A few days ago Maharishi sent Mayor Wynne off to India to 
convince
> > > the USA Embassy to allow up to 2,000 pandits to come to 
Fairfield.
> > > Today Maharishi announced that the Embassy has refused the
> > > application. It was clear that Maharishi was deeply 
disappointed -
> > > and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we 
MUST
> > > get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become 
flyers) 
> to
> > > get the super-radiance number for USA.
> > >
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Future News Today

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "19 Year Old Diebold Technician Wins US Presidency"
>  
> http://www.avantnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=281 
> 
> :-)
>


Cute story but, of course, there is a constitutional age requirement 
for president: 35.  So it would have been even cuter had the author 
incorporated this little detail into his satire.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why you never have to worry about Global Warming again!

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> 
> > As everyone knows, Hurricane Katrina was caused by Global 
Warming, as 
> > many scientists and Al Gore have told us.
> 
> Citations, please, showing any qualified scientist
> or Al Gore ever told us Hurricane Katrina was caused
> by global warming.
> 
> (You don't have to cap "global warming," Shemp, it
> isn't a proper noun.)
>


Al Gore:

"There are scientific warnings now of another onrushing catastrophe. 
We were warned of an imminent attack by Al Qaeda; we didn't respond. 
We were warned the levees would break in New Orleans; we didn't 
respond. Now, the scientific community is warning us that the 
average hurricane will continue to get stronger because of global 
warming. A scientist at MIT has published a study well before this 
tragedy showing that since the 1970s, hurricanes in both the 
Atlantic and the Pacific have increased in duration, and in 
intensity, by about 50 %. The newscasters told us after Hurricane 
Katrina went over the southern tip of Florida that there was a 
particular danger for the Gulf Coast of the hurricanes becoming much 
stronger because it was passing over unusually warm waters in the 
gulf. The waters in the gulf have been unusually warm. The oceans 
generally have been getting warmer. And the pattern is exactly 
consistent with what scientists have predicted for twenty years. Two 
thousand scientists, in a hundred countries, engaged in the most 
elaborate, well organized scientific collaboration in the history of 
humankind, have produced long-since a consensus that we will face a 
string of terrible catastrophes unless we act to prepare ourselves 
and deal with the underlying causes of global warming. [applause] It 
is important to learn the lessons of what happens when scientific 
evidence and clear authoritative warnings are ignored in order to 
induce our leaders not to do it again and not to ignore the 
scientists again and not to leave us unprotected in the face of 
those threats that are facing us right now. [applause] "

From: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0912-32.htm






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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

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wrote:
>
> In reporting that the U.S. has refused entry for 2000 pundits to 
> Vedic City, the TMO admits for the first time that the reason that 
> the pundits did not come to Vedic City is because they were denied 
> visas by the U.S. State Dept. (because the pundits are from poor 
> families, poverty being the overwhelming reason that entry is 
> denied). The question comes, if 500 pundits could not get visas, 
what 
> was the point of asking to admit 2000? Maharishi operates at a 
level 
> of life far away from the misery and stupidity of ordinary human 
> life, so it's not surprising that he makes these unworkable 
requests, 
> but surely the TMO could hire a consultant from outside its 
> fruitloopy ranks to screen out these unworkable ideas and practice 
> the art of the possible here and now? 
> 
Why not fly the pundits into a Mexican border town (Neuvo Laredo, 
Nogales, and Tijuana come to mind), and let 'nature' do the rest? 
They'd be in Iowa within the week...





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[FairfieldLife] Bambi to blame for spinach crisis!!

[bob_brigante]

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/09/22/e_coli/

The truth about the E. coli outbreak
It's not the spinach, it's not the cows, it's not the water -- it now 
may be the deer that are making people sick.

By Marc Siegel

 
Sept. 22, 2006 | The current E. coli outbreak that has spread across 
almost half of the United States isn't really about spinach. It's 
about a powerful bacterium -- which today we have learned seems to be 
issuing from the deer population in Salinas Valley, California. 

While a number of scientists have considered a contaminated water 
supply to be the possible culprit, Dr. Robert Tauxe -- a medical 
epidemiologist and the deputy director of the Division of Foodborne, 
Bacterial, and Mycotic diseases at the Centers for Disease Control 
and Prevention -- says it's likely that the outbreak has spread 
through the droppings of deer that dance unchecked across California 
spinach fields. Tauxe, with whom I spoke today, mentioned that deer 
manure may have contaminated water supplies as well as spinach 
fields. 

Tauxe also says that this particular E. coli bacterium, which infects 
the feces of many animals, including cows and deer, may be the worst 
E. coli the CDC has seen. 

As the CDC scientists test the culprit bacterium under the microscope 
and compare DNA footprints, looking find its source, they are 
uncovering characteristics that reveal why it has spread so far and 
so fast. 

The CDC scientists were at work until almost midnight last night 
trying to determine why people are getting so sick. They have 
discovered, Tauxe says, that the strain of E. coli in question is the 
very virulent Escherichia coli O157:H7. "This may be the worst actor 
we've seen," he said, "in terms of all the kidney failure and 
hospitalizations." 

Tauxe said that studies being done in the laboratory at the CDC are 
not likely to show drug resistance because "less than 1 percent of E. 
coli is drug-resistant." 

E. coli O157 regularly resides in the intestines of animals including 
cows, deer and pigs, where it doesn't cause disease. This bacterium 
makes the powerful "shiga" toxin, which breaks down the inside walls 
of blood vessels, causing bleeding and clotting. But cows and deer 
lack the receptors for this toxin on their blood cells, so they don't 
bleed and they don't clot. In fact, they have no symptoms at all. 
Cows and deer shed O157 into their stool, just as we humans shed 
thousands of kinds of bacteria that live in our intestines but don't 
make us sick. 

But very small amounts of the more virulent strains make us very 
sick. The current outbreak, with 159 cases across 24 states, includes 
83 hospitalized individuals, of whom 27 (17 percent) developed the 
rare form of kidney failure known as hemolytic-uremic syndrome that 
is characteristic of the most severe form of this disease. This 
outbreak has included rates of kidney failure and hospitalization at 
three times the rate that is usually seen with this disease. 

 "There are many factors in addition to virulence that go into why 
this E. coli is making us sicker," says Dr. Philip Tierno, director 
of Clinical Microbiological and Diagnostic Immunology at the New York 
Medical Center and author of "The Secret Life of Germs." "A heavier 
concentration of the bacteria on spinach leads to more bacteria 
ingested. The more bacteria, the greater the amount of toxin, which 
leads to more complications, including the kidney failure we're 
seeing." 

"Animals are incubators for E. coli O157," Tierno says. Once it is 
shed in manure, it may spread to water and plants. A high 
concentration of this bacterium on the initial spinach crop leads to 
an explosion of bacterial growth within the harvested fields. Eleven 
outbreaks in salad foods have occurred in the United States since 
1995. 

Tauxe at the CDC is confident that the outbreak will be 
controlled. "We're not seeing a lot of secondary spread," he 
said. "Nothing among people who have touched those who are sick, no 
one in nursing homes. That's a very good sign." 

But for those who have gotten the dreaded bug, a high percentage have 
gotten sick. This is a wakeup call for the food industry. Inadequate 
surveillance and easily contaminated crops -- and, perhaps, an 
overabundance of deer -- are factors that promote the creation and 
perpetuation of superbugs like the one that is currently riding our 
spinach.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> from 
>It was clear that Maharishi was deeply disappointed -
> and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we MUST
> get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) to
> get the super-radiance number for USA.
>
Right. Or else what? You really believe that butt-bouncing in that
dome is causing anything but increased income for the local
chiropractors of FF?

I hate to bring up the dreaded "c" word again, but puh-leeeze!

Don't get me wrong. I too, felt like I was at (or near) the center of
the universe back in the day. It's a heady feeling, no doubt about it.
It's also the height of self importance/absorbtion.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[TurquoiseB]

> > "He emphasized that we MUST
> > get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to 
> > become flyers) to get the super-radiance number for USA."
> 
> Musterbation makes you go blind.

Call me cynical, but isn't it a lot like the 
entire resources of the TM organization have
been mobilized to provide the dying guru the 
illusion that his students still any respect
for him?

I mean, first they try to scare people into
attending this course, and when that doesn't
work, they try to "guilt" them into attending,
and when *that* doesn't work, they finally
try to PAY them to attend. And even *that*
doesn't work. Then they issue press releases 
bragging about the 1275 people who have 
signed up, figuring that no one will notice
that that's 125 fewer people than had signed 
up previously.

*Then*, when all of these other methods have
failed and they try to import a bunch of people
from India to make it seem as if folks actually
want to come to this course, even *that* fails.

It's like watching a family trying to bribe
mourners to come to the old patriarch's funeral,
just to preserve his illusions one last time...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[bob_brigante]

In reporting that the U.S. has refused entry for 2000 pundits to 
Vedic City, the TMO admits for the first time that the reason that 
the pundits did not come to Vedic City is because they were denied 
visas by the U.S. State Dept. (because the pundits are from poor 
families, poverty being the overwhelming reason that entry is 
denied). The question comes, if 500 pundits could not get visas, what 
was the point of asking to admit 2000? Maharishi operates at a level 
of life far away from the misery and stupidity of ordinary human 
life, so it's not surprising that he makes these unworkable requests, 
but surely the TMO could hire a consultant from outside its 
fruitloopy ranks to screen out these unworkable ideas and practice 
the art of the possible here and now? 



> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
wrote:
> >
> > from 
> > 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/message/1219:
> > 
> > Dear Friends,
> > 
> > 
> > I have just come out of the Invincible America Course meeting with
> > Maharishi. Over the past weeks Maharishi has been doing all he 
can to
> > expand the numbers flying in the Fairfield Domes from the present
> > 1,100 to 2,000 to make USA invincible (and in so doing make the 
world
> > a much safer place!)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > A few days ago Maharishi sent Mayor Wynne off to India to convince
> > the USA Embassy to allow up to 2,000 pandits to come to Fairfield.
> > Today Maharishi announced that the Embassy has refused the
> > application. It was clear that Maharishi was deeply disappointed -
> > and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we MUST
> > get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) 
to
> > get the super-radiance number for USA.
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[curtisdeltablues]

"He emphasized that we MUST
get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) to
get the super-radiance number for USA."

Musterbation makes you go blind.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> from 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/message/1219:
> 
> Dear Friends,
> 
> 
> I have just come out of the Invincible America Course meeting with
> Maharishi. Over the past weeks Maharishi has been doing all he can to
> expand the numbers flying in the Fairfield Domes from the present
> 1,100 to 2,000 to make USA invincible (and in so doing make the world
> a much safer place!)
> 
> 
> 
> A few days ago Maharishi sent Mayor Wynne off to India to convince
> the USA Embassy to allow up to 2,000 pandits to come to Fairfield.
> Today Maharishi announced that the Embassy has refused the
> application. It was clear that Maharishi was deeply disappointed -
> and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we MUST
> get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) to
> get the super-radiance number for USA.
>







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[FairfieldLife] U.S. nixes 2000 pundits

[bob_brigante]

from 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/message/1219:

Dear Friends,


I have just come out of the Invincible America Course meeting with
Maharishi. Over the past weeks Maharishi has been doing all he can to
expand the numbers flying in the Fairfield Domes from the present
1,100 to 2,000 to make USA invincible (and in so doing make the world
a much safer place!)



A few days ago Maharishi sent Mayor Wynne off to India to convince
the USA Embassy to allow up to 2,000 pandits to come to Fairfield.
Today Maharishi announced that the Embassy has refused the
application. It was clear that Maharishi was deeply disappointed -
and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we MUST
get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) to
get the super-radiance number for USA.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: "Free Rounding!": 'Boomers Vs. Gen- XYZ...'

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I've  worked in the games industry for many years.  One interesting 
> thing is that many of the game programmers don't play games.   I 
> personally find them boring and a waste of time and wince when I 
> actually have to play a game to debug it...

Tell me about it. I haven't played any computer game
since the original SRI "Adventure," and don't feel
the least bit deprived because of that. 







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[FairfieldLife] Future News Today

[TurquoiseB]

"19 Year Old Diebold Technician Wins US Presidency"
 
http://www.avantnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=281 

:-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: I Admit It, I was In a Cult

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hard to become another Deepak Chopra when you're a walking
advertisement for Burger 
> King.
>

Great line, LOL.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Last Message

[coldbluiceman]

> "geezerfreak" wrote:
> Maharishi's Deathbed Confession
> 
> I want to set the record straight now that I am about to make the
> final journey. I never really intended for things to get quite this
> out of whack.
> 
Almost perfect Geeze.
Although maybe you could revise and include-, 
 .."At the onset my corrupt family..the Shristava Clan..convinced me & 
Ramji Tiwari(aka Shantinanda)to join forces and re-write Guru Dev's 
last will.
All the while me and Ramji sat around cooking His meals and slowly 
poisoning Him to death for 6 months...What the heck..Guru Dev was way 
to serious for us and 'sides who wants to sleep on a stone floor..It's 
way more fun re-writing the history of Guru Dev's last 6 months on 
earth..and 'sides I wanted to be his favorite disciple, not some other 
guy. Heck Guru Dev never had a favorite anything...I just wanted a 
little attention..this whole guru thing was really fun.."





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[FairfieldLife] Re: How Many Cults Do you / Did You Belong to?

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> What is your definition of a cult?   

Thats the point. Everyone has something differnt in mind in terms of
the attributes of a cult. And often different intensities are applied,
internally by each, to various attributes. Thus the word itself loses
much value for clear communication  -- but retains its emotional
charge and its ability to dampen  down conversation and rational thought.

Far better, IMO, than using loaded, power words like "cult", is to
decompose the word and examine and discuss the various specific
attributes one has in mind. And how different organizations may
manifest more or less intensities of these attributes compared to
other orgs. 

Depending on how one means the term (and the precise definitions are
often not communicated), little league could be a cult -- or almost
nothing is.



 

> Your definition of Turqy's cults 
> are rather broad.   By those definitions anyone who watched a TV
show on 
> a regular basis would be considered in a cult.  Now maybe if they 
> watched that show and got together with a group of people who were not 
> only a fan club but worshiped members of the cast with rituals then you 
> might have a cult.  And if they punished anyone who trying to leave the 
> group it might considered a cult.
> 
> Likewise if you have a guitar teacher you see regularly for lessons I 
> wouldn't call that a cult either anymore than I would call seeing a 
> personal guru regularly.  However if the guitar teacher or the personal 
> guru has a group that worship them then that might be a cult.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why you never have to worry about Global Warming again!

[authfriend]

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> As everyone knows, Hurricane Katrina was caused by Global Warming, as 
> many scientists and Al Gore have told us.

Citations, please, showing any qualified scientist
or Al Gore ever told us Hurricane Katrina was caused
by global warming.

(You don't have to cap "global warming," Shemp, it
isn't a proper noun.)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dutch Newspaper Article on TM (rough translation)

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > 
> It's to bad we won't get a death bed confession admitting he 
> conspired with the ashram cook(Shantinanda) to re-write his 
> Master's "will". (Which now know to be true by court documents)
> 
> And, a confession admitted he and the cook poisoned his Master to 
> death.
>
You're in (partial) luck Iceman. Check out The Last Message (#113367)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Out of Texas, a Wordless Wonder

[Richard J. Williams]

> Anyone heard these guys?
>
Yes, and Brave Combo, Denton, Texas.

Brave Combo: Rarely, if ever, has a band name been more apropos, not
only at the group's inception, but even more so 26 years after the
fact. At first glance, back in 1979, the Denton, Texas, based outfit
was, in shorthand, pegged as a New Wave polka band, a courageous if
not almost oxymoronic endeavor during that particular rebirth of the cool.

Read more:

http://www.brave.com/bo/






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[FairfieldLife] The ultimate interactive video game

[shempmcgurk]

There's been discussion these past few days about interacing with 
video games and whether video games dulls or sharpens one's senses and 
whether or not it makes one more or less lazy.

Well, the ultimate interaction with a video game comes to us courtesy 
of American Express which has -- through the fantasy-creating ability 
of the advertisement -- enabled tennis player Andy Roddick to play 
tennis with PONG:

http://tinyurl.com/g4l86





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dutch Newspaper Article on TM (rough translation)

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "vajradhatu108" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman  
wrote:
> >
> > > "vajradhatu108" wrote:
> > > "geezerfreak" wrote:
> > > > EVERYBODY ON A BIG PINK CLOUD
> > > > By Maude Effting
> > > >`People are more gentile here', says Radboud Matthijsen,
> > > > director of the building company.
> > > >  `but they are also less assertive.
> > > 
> > > Yes, it's true. 
> > > You can be more gentile too with 
> > > Maharishi Vedic Foreskin Reconstruction!
> > > 
> > > Experience the penetrating power of the Unified Field,
> > > just like Maharishi used to in the '60's!
> > 
> > And, what of the-- Maharishi Wedic Doeskin Supporter--
> > for "support of nature"? (Doeskin-lined jock straps)
> >
> 
> Maybe Walt Disney would let them use Bambi as part of their logo.
>

Actually, if a certain copyright/trademark law hadn't been passed in 
the U.S. Congress, directly as a result of lobbying by the Walt 
Disney Corporation, you wouldn't have had to ask their permission to 
use Bambi because it would have been in the public domain.  But the 
Disney company successfully lobbyied the Congress and they extended 
copyright/trademark protection beyond the time which marks such as 
Bambi and Mickey would have otherwise expired.





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[FairfieldLife] Why you never have to worry about Global Warming again!

[shempmcgurk]

The following is from an Invincible America Invincibility Update I 
received in an email this morning:

"Today is the 1st day of the third month of U.S. national 
consciousness rising to invincibility. It is worth taking a moment to 
consider the dramatic, unexpected, and completely positive 
transformations that have occurred in the United States and the world 
during the past two months since the Invincible America Course began 
on July 23. 

"Fears of a destructive and costly hurricane season have largely 
dissipated." 

And then the update goes on to list other positive factors the course 
is responsible for.

As everyone knows, Hurricane Katrina was caused by Global Warming, as 
many scientists and Al Gore have told us.

So as long as there are enough flyers in Fairfield, you can drive your 
SUVs as much as you want and pollute as much as you want because the 
bad effects will all be negated!







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: "Free Rounding!": 'Boomers Vs. Gen- XYZ...'

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: "Free Rounding!": 'Boomers Vs. Gen- XYZ...'





on 9/25/06 2:00 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Interesting.  I wonder if there will be more physically interactive
games.  Dance Revolution seems to be the only one that gets people
moving.  I would love a realistic feeling ping pong or tennis program
that allowed me to use a real paddle or racquet.  I guess that stuff
is still off in the world of hologram games of the future?

I saw a boxing game on TV where the players held little paddles and moved their arms to make the figures box.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: I Admit It, I was In a Cult

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> As I've pointed out several times, the rajas pay their dues every
time they put on their 
> funny hat. They had to pay $1 million for the right to put it on,
and they have to show that 
> they are "worthy" of putting it on by continuting to wear it in public.
> 
> Hard to become another Deepak Chopra when you're a walking
advertisement for Burger 
> King.
>
Right. They paid 1 million to become a "Raja". Which kind of sounds
like what? The "c" word?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: "Free Rounding!": 'Boomers Vs. Gen- XYZ...'

[curtisdeltablues]

"I've worked in the games industry for many years. One interesting
thing is that many of the game programmers don't play games. I
personally find them boring and a waste of time and wince when I
actually have to play a game to debug it (I usually drop in a ton of
cheats or set the code to go right to the spot where the bug has been
reported). Shoot'em ups or what we used to call "loop games" probably
don't develop that much mental ability but will increase physical
dexterity. Some of the fantasy and role playing games and simulations
require some thinking and problem solving so that is where it may help
kids with their thinking."

Interesting.  I wonder if there will be more physically interactive
games.  Dance Revolution seems to be the only one that gets people
moving.  I would love a realistic feeling ping pong or tennis program
that allowed me to use a real paddle or racquet.  I guess that stuff
is still off in the world of hologram games of the future?






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> >>From Ken Hassman
> >
> >For each of the twelve years I taught school (4th -6th grades, mostly
> >6th grade) I regularly and unscientifically polled the students to get
> >an idea of their diets, the hours spent watching tv, time spent
> >engaging in physical activities, and how many hours per day they
> >played video games. Besides discovering how many kids put soda on
> >their breakfast cereal, I was always amazed to discover, each and
> >every year, that the top students in the class typically spent the
> >most hours playing video games.
> >
> >Then, not so long ago I read an article that talked about surgeons who
> >play 3 hours per week of video games made a lot less mistakes in
> >surgery.
> >http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-04-07-surgeons-video-games_x.ht
> >m
> >
> >Kenny H.
> >  
> >
> >>tv watchin  I -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>on 9/24/06 8:53 AM, curtisdeltablues at curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
> >>>  
> >>>
> On the big negative side are those freak'n video games!  Worse than
> any of the drug use of the 60's for soul crushing, mind numbing
> effect. (Now gramps is going to take my walker over to my cassette
> player to listen to some old blues so you kids keep that video
> 
> 
> >>game down!)
> >>
> >>
> >>>I thought that about my nephew, who spent his youth playing video
> >>>games, when I would have been outside in the fresh air having all
> >>>sorts of adventures. But he has become a gifted artist and just
> >>>graduated
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>from a year
> >>
> >>
> >>>of animation school in Vancouver. He¹s full of ambition and has all
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>sorts of
> >>
> >>
> >>>employment opportunities. May go to China in six months. So the
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>video games
> >>
> >>
> >>>didn¹t rot his brain.
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> I've  worked in the games industry for many years.  One interesting 
> thing is that many of the game programmers don't play games.   I 
> personally find them boring and a waste of time and wince when I 
> actually have to play a game to debug it (I usually drop in a ton of 
> cheats or set the code to go right to the spot where the bug has been 
> reported).  Shoot'em ups or what we used to call "loop games" probably 
> don't develop that much mental ability but will increase physical 
> dexterity.   Some of the fantasy and role playing games and simulations 
> require some thinking and problem solving so that is where it may help 
> kids with their thinking.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Surgeons may err less by playing video games - Games - MSNBC.com

[Rick Archer]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4685909/




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dutch Newspaper Article on TM (rough translation)

[coldbluiceman]

> "vajradhatu108" wrote:
>
> > coldbluiceman wrote:
> >
> > > "vajradhatu108" wrote:
> > > "geezerfreak" wrote:
> > > > EVERYBODY ON A BIG PINK CLOUD
> > > > By Maude Effting
> > > >`People are more gentile here', says Radboud Matthijsen,
> > > > director of the building company.
> > > >  `but they are also less assertive.
> > > 
> > > Yes, it's true. 
> > > You can be more gentile too with 
> > > Maharishi Vedic Foreskin Reconstruction!
> > > 
> > > Experience the penetrating power of the Unified Field,
> > > just like Maharishi used to in the '60's!
> > 
> > And, what of the-- Maharishi Wedic Doeskin Supporter--
> > for "support of nature"? (Doeskin-lined jock straps)
 
> Maybe Walt Disney would let them use 
> Bambi as part of their logo.

That- *Sad Pathetic Old Man* deserves to spend a few years blind and 
crippled, and having to spend his last years in Depends.

It's to bad we won't get a death bed confession admitting he 
conspired with the ashram cook(Shantinanda) to re-write his 
Master's "will". (Which now know to be true by court documents)

And, a confession admitted he and the cook poisoned his Master to 
death.


 









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: "Free Rounding!": 'Boomers Vs. Gen- XYZ...'

[Bhairitu]

Rick Archer wrote:

>on 9/25/06 11:28 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
>
>>Did he become obese during that time? I have noticed a massive
>>explosion in students involved in computer graphics of any kind,
>>becoming very fat in their first year of college. I think it is a
>>very real problem, and trying to convince graphic design students
>>and animation students that they should get exercise and live
>>healthy during their studies is very difficult. It is very real
>>problem among these students I feel , since they may not recover
>>from the obesity they gain in one to two years of stooped in front
>>of a computer.
>>
>>
>>
>Didn¹t become obese. And while at animation school, he had to walk 50
>minutes each way from his apartment to school and back. I think that saved
>him from burnout.
>
>  
>
It really depends on the constitution.  I had skinny programmers who 
never exercised that much and wolfed down cheeseburgers and fries while 
the fat guys were always on a diet and running treadmills before they 
came to work.  Someday humanity will get a handle on obesity but 
probably no time soon.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: I Admit It, I was In a Cult

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> "And I still do a bit of standard issue TM in spite of it. All I'm
> asking in these posts is that people allow themselves to
> question...step outside the group-think and allow yourself to perceive
> it all with a different eye. Might be healthy."
> 
> Thanks man. Hearing people's experiences here, enjoying TM outside the
> context of the intense version I participated in, has been good for
> me.  The same is true of me hearing about people's growth of
> spirituality with other groups.  As a person who enjoys being non
> spiritually oriented, it is valuable for me to be reminded of
> interesting people making their own choices for their own good reasons
> that are so different from my own.  I can only know what is best for
> me.  This view has taken a while to develop for me having come out of
> the mindset of an MMY "knower of reality".
> 
> I still reserve the right to make fun of the pompous pageantry of the
> Rajas.  It may be their personal choice, but posturing superiority
> like that will probably always get my goat. My "Kumbaya" attitude
> stops at the golden hats!
> 
>

As I've pointed out several times, the rajas pay their dues every time they put 
on their 
funny hat. They had to pay $1 million for the right to put it on, and they have 
to show that 
they are "worthy" of putting it on by continuting to wear it in public.

Hard to become another Deepak Chopra when you're a walking advertisement for 
Burger 
King.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: "Free Rounding!": 'Boomers Vs. Gen- XYZ...'

[Bhairitu]

Rick Archer wrote:

>>From Ken Hassman
>
>For each of the twelve years I taught school (4th -6th grades, mostly
>6th grade) I regularly and unscientifically polled the students to get
>an idea of their diets, the hours spent watching tv, time spent
>engaging in physical activities, and how many hours per day they
>played video games. Besides discovering how many kids put soda on
>their breakfast cereal, I was always amazed to discover, each and
>every year, that the top students in the class typically spent the
>most hours playing video games.
>
>Then, not so long ago I read an article that talked about surgeons who
>play 3 hours per week of video games made a lot less mistakes in
>surgery.
>http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-04-07-surgeons-video-games_x.ht
>m
>
>Kenny H.
>  
>
>>tv watchin  I -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>on 9/24/06 8:53 AM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
On the big negative side are those freak'n video games!  Worse than
any of the drug use of the 60's for soul crushing, mind numbing
effect. (Now gramps is going to take my walker over to my cassette
player to listen to some old blues so you kids keep that video


>>game down!)
>>
>>
>>>I thought that about my nephew, who spent his youth playing video
>>>games, when I would have been outside in the fresh air having all
>>>sorts of adventures. But he has become a gifted artist and just
>>>graduated
>>>  
>>>
>>from a year
>>
>>
>>>of animation school in Vancouver. He¹s full of ambition and has all
>>>  
>>>
>>sorts of
>>
>>
>>>employment opportunities. May go to China in six months. So the
>>>  
>>>
>>video games
>>
>>
>>>didn¹t rot his brain.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>
>>
I've  worked in the games industry for many years.  One interesting 
thing is that many of the game programmers don't play games.   I 
personally find them boring and a waste of time and wince when I 
actually have to play a game to debug it (I usually drop in a ton of 
cheats or set the code to go right to the spot where the bug has been 
reported).  Shoot'em ups or what we used to call "loop games" probably 
don't develop that much mental ability but will increase physical 
dexterity.   Some of the fantasy and role playing games and simulations 
require some thinking and problem solving so that is where it may help 
kids with their thinking.


 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: How Many Cults Do you / Did You Belong to?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> Likewise if you have a guitar teacher you see regularly for lessons I 
> wouldn't call that a cult either anymore than I would call seeing a 
> personal guru regularly.  However if the guitar teacher or the personal 
> guru has a group that worship them then that might be a cult.
>

Hell, in that case, I've never been part of ANY cult.

What is WRONG with me...?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: I Admit It, I was In a Cult

[curtisdeltablues]

"And I still do a bit of standard issue TM in spite of it. All I'm
asking in these posts is that people allow themselves to
question...step outside the group-think and allow yourself to perceive
it all with a different eye. Might be healthy."

Thanks man. Hearing people's experiences here, enjoying TM outside the
context of the intense version I participated in, has been good for
me.  The same is true of me hearing about people's growth of
spirituality with other groups.  As a person who enjoys being non
spiritually oriented, it is valuable for me to be reminded of
interesting people making their own choices for their own good reasons
that are so different from my own.  I can only know what is best for
me.  This view has taken a while to develop for me having come out of
the mindset of an MMY "knower of reality".

I still reserve the right to make fun of the pompous pageantry of the
Rajas.  It may be their personal choice, but posturing superiority
like that will probably always get my goat. My "Kumbaya" attitude
stops at the golden hats!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> >
> > I have heard that people who want to improve their marriages should
> > think of it as a verb, "marriaging", which includes a lot of behaviors
> > that keep it alive.  I view the word cult the same way, as a set of
> > specific manipulative behaviors that are designed to remove critical
> > choice.  That is what is so great about the information about these
> > behaviors being so common among people who still do TM.  It restores
> > choices because it takes a lot of the steam out of the techniques'
> > effectiveness.
> > 
> > When I was into TM I had no problem believing the Moonies were a cult,
> > or Jim Jones' group.  The only counterargument to the TM view that I
> > heard was the fundamentalist Christians, and that didn't seem to make
> > any sense.  I didn't have the information about the specific
> > techniques of thought reform so that I could decide for myself if they
> > were being used at different levels of the TM organization.  Everyone
> > relates to this information differently according to their own
> > experience.  Labeling TM as a cult doesn't do any good if you aren't
> > looking at the specific techniques so you can decide if they apply.  
> > 
> > For me I couldn't deny that the descriptions fit my experience as a
> > full time TMer.  But that didn't make me stop TM. It just made me feel
> > separate from the organization and made me stop teaching.But the
> > specific information about thought reform helped me understand my
> > involvement better.  Now this information is out there for anyone who
> > is interested and I think this is one of the reasons that the movement
> > has dwindled so low in numbers.
> > 
> > Deciding that the TM org uses manipulative techniques doesn't mean you
> > have to leave your own path of spirituality as so many on this group
> > demonstrate.
> >
> Very well put Curtis. I agree with you. The only in-depth experience
> I've with cult mentality was at the inner core of TM in the mid 70s. I
> never "guru hopped" after that. Yet I still meditatedthe 20 min
> variety not hours of "program". (BTW, "program" was certainly an
> interesting way to describe that activity. And many who did/do it
> indeed seem "programmed".
> 
> When I looked back in on the movement for the first time in 20 years
> earlier this year, imagine what all the raja's with their tin Burger
> King hats, the obsession with where your front door is, reading about
> yet another "latest and greatest" course.imagine how it all looks
> from the outside. To any thinking person, it looks and feels like a
cult.
> 
> And I still do a bit of standard issue TM in spite of it. All I'm
> asking in these posts is that people allow themselves to
> question...step outside the group-think and allow yourself to perceive
> it all with a different eye. Might be healthy.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: How Many Cults Do you / Did You Belong to?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  wrote:
> > >
> > > Turq,
> > > 
> > > Were TM and Rama your only cults. No others? Then Or now? 
> > > 
> > > I count about ten for me. About 8-12 for others I know. Either I am
> > > way cultier than you, or you have yet to face the reality of your cult
> > > past and present.
> > 
> > You are way cultier than I am.  :-)
> >
> 
> Good to know. I AM in trouble. 
> 
> Just a quick count of your obvious cults (I am sure, like an iceberg,
> this is just the tip) indicates  you are active in many many cults.
> 20+ at first glance.  And if I am cultier -- it must be so -- my cult
> of cult-busing leader, YOU, from the top of the pyramid, told me so,
> so IT MUST BE SO.
> 

[...]

You forgot new.morning-hating cult.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 9/24/06 11:33 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >>> >> It;s a dangerous mental place to behistory proves that. Let me
> >> > ask
> >>> >> youwhat do you suppose would happens if someone...say Raja John
> >>> >> for instance (who I knew quite well), stood up and
> >> > said "Maharishi, I
> >>> >> feel that this is the wrong direction to take. We sound like we're
> >>> >> threatening people with disaster who do not come to the dome".
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> What would his movement life expectancy be? Brother, his bags
> >> > would be
> >>> >> packed before he got back to his room.
> >> > 
> >> > I don't know why that seems so weird- again, it seems like you are
> >> > looking for something that doesn't exist in the world-- being asked
> >> > to leave would happen if you espoused communism while working for
> >> > the US govt, or solidly championed a major competitor on the job, or
> >> > rooted for the opposite team in sports. Its just the way
> >> > organizations work (which is why I don't join them easily).
> >> > 
> >> > As for people thinking for themselves, they either get it or they
> >> > don't- with TM my experience was that delusions crumble eventually,
> >> > and inevitably.
> > 
> 
> I¹m seen people criticize Amma in public. For instance, one fellow told her
> in the mike in front of a thousand people that he felt she was distracted
> while giving him darshan because she was carrying on a conversation with
> someone at the same time. He certainly didn¹t get in trouble. On the
> contrary, she gave him a sweet explanation, and also became contrite and
> told him she would be more careful in the future.
> 
> I¹ve also seen Maharishi admit wrongdoing when an inconsistency in his
> behavior was brought to his attention (by me), but I doubt that happens
> these days, because no one would dare do that anymore.
>

At 89-94 years of age, in poor health by most accounts, do you blame them?









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Any Firefly / Serenity fans?

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>I watched the series on DVD a couple years ago.  I would say it 
>>is a space western.  
>>
>>
>
>Exactly.
>
>  
>
>>The movie "Serenity" however didn't do as much for me (I 
>>saw it in a theater).
>>
>>
>
>I thought it was better than the series.
>
>Don't know any of the others you mentioned, but 
>I'll look for them.
>
>  
>
>>BTW, if you are interested in a deeper sense about movies I would 
>>suggest reading Frensham's "Teach Yourself Screenwriting". It is 
>>well 
>>written and an easy read which I can't say of some of the other 
>>screenwriting books (that says something doesn't it). You'll start 
>>watching movies a little differently after reading it.
>>
>>
>
>Know it well, and agree with your assessment of the
>other books on screenwriting. It's *incredible* how
>bad they are. Same with books on writing. Almost the
>only one I can recommend is Stephen King's "On Writing."
>
I'll check out King's book.  I also finally got around to seeing "Why We 
Fight" which I also recommend.  It goes much deeper into Eisenhower's 
concerns about the military industrial complex.  Richard Perle is one 
mixed up kook who firmly believe that he is God and his way is correct.  
Just wait until he finds that is not true.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: say, 'I am going to be Immortal whilst I raise my country to Invincibility'

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sep 25, 2006, at 8:15 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:


> >
> > Bevan concluded on how unique this moment is in the whole history of
> > the Movement:
> 
> Cult-time, anyone?
>

So you're saying that the TM movement has had a history of some rich fellow 
offering to pay 
the bill to instruct thousands of people in the Sidhis program while some other 
rich fellow 
has been willing to sponsor 2000 people to stay at MUM/MIU for 6 months to a 
year?

If not, then why did you add "cult-time" after that?

As far as I can tell, this IS a unique moment in the whole history of the TM 
movement.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: How Many Cults Do you / Did You Belong to?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > And the TBs of TM are, without a shred of doubt, 
> > > living in a cult.
> > 
> > I agree, but I'll add another dimension to it.
> > 
> > As you say, the point is not in recognizing that
> > one has been part of a cult, but in getting *past*
> > the cult mindset. And one can do that and still
> > feel positively about the group, or even still
> > work for the group.
> > 
> > IMO the first step of that process is being able 
> > to say the word, and apply it to oneself without
> > fear and aversion and anger.
> > 
> > I find that when I meet someone who spent a long
> > time in a spiritual trip like the TMO (or the Rama
> > trip, or many others), one of the key indicators
> > as to whether I will be able to get along with them
> > or not is how they relate to that word "cult."
> 
> Turq,
> 
> Were TM and Rama your only cults. No others? Then Or now? 
> 
> I count about ten for me. About 8-12 for others I know. Either I am
> way cultier than you, or you have yet to face the reality of your cult
> past and present.
>

TM was my only cult (Barry would say IS my only cult).  Well, that and the SCA, 
the US 
military, classical guitar, science fiction reading, Babylon 5 watching, 
chasing women, 
raising kids...









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[///]
> In Barry's perception, the situation was the reverse
> of what actually took place.
> 
> Isn't that odd, when you think about it?
>


I don't find it odd at all, any more...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Personal Attacks

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 9/25/06 10:16 AM, geezerfreak at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >> 
> >> > , "Robert Gimbel" 
> >> > wrote:
> >>> >> 
> >>> >>  (snip)
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> "Oh it does, your highness. I've even changed my mantra to
cuntanada".
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> Be careful what you put your attention on;
> >>> >> What you put your attention on grows...
> >>> >> Ya, know, you could become a big fat pussy!
> >>> >> Consider yourself warned...
> >>> >> R.G.
> >>> >> 
> >> > Good point Robert. But to call Judy a "big fat pussy"...don't you
> >> > think it's a bit harsh? True, but harsh.
> > 
> I would like to suggest that we curb our inclination to hurl personal
> insults at Judy, in light of the first FFL guideline: ³1) This group has
> long maintained a thoughtful and considerate tone. Please refrain from
> personal attacks, insults and excessive venting. "Speak the truth
that is
> sweet" is a worthy aspiration. If angry, take some time to gain
composure
> before writing or pushing the send button.²
> 
> Try criticizing the content, tone, or volume of her posts, without
resorting
> to grade school name-calling.
>
I know...I was naughty. I'll be nicer.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: I Admit It, I was In a Cult

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have heard that people who want to improve their marriages should
> think of it as a verb, "marriaging", which includes a lot of behaviors
> that keep it alive.  I view the word cult the same way, as a set of
> specific manipulative behaviors that are designed to remove critical
> choice.  That is what is so great about the information about these
> behaviors being so common among people who still do TM.  It restores
> choices because it takes a lot of the steam out of the techniques'
> effectiveness.
> 
> When I was into TM I had no problem believing the Moonies were a cult,
> or Jim Jones' group.  The only counterargument to the TM view that I
> heard was the fundamentalist Christians, and that didn't seem to make
> any sense.  I didn't have the information about the specific
> techniques of thought reform so that I could decide for myself if they
> were being used at different levels of the TM organization.  Everyone
> relates to this information differently according to their own
> experience.  Labeling TM as a cult doesn't do any good if you aren't
> looking at the specific techniques so you can decide if they apply.  
> 
> For me I couldn't deny that the descriptions fit my experience as a
> full time TMer.  But that didn't make me stop TM. It just made me feel
> separate from the organization and made me stop teaching.But the
> specific information about thought reform helped me understand my
> involvement better.  Now this information is out there for anyone who
> is interested and I think this is one of the reasons that the movement
> has dwindled so low in numbers.
> 
> Deciding that the TM org uses manipulative techniques doesn't mean you
> have to leave your own path of spirituality as so many on this group
> demonstrate.
>
Very well put Curtis. I agree with you. The only in-depth experience
I've with cult mentality was at the inner core of TM in the mid 70s. I
never "guru hopped" after that. Yet I still meditatedthe 20 min
variety not hours of "program". (BTW, "program" was certainly an
interesting way to describe that activity. And many who did/do it
indeed seem "programmed".

When I looked back in on the movement for the first time in 20 years
earlier this year, imagine what all the raja's with their tin Burger
King hats, the obsession with where your front door is, reading about
yet another "latest and greatest" course.imagine how it all looks
from the outside. To any thinking person, it looks and feels like a cult.

And I still do a bit of standard issue TM in spite of it. All I'm
asking in these posts is that people allow themselves to
question...step outside the group-think and allow yourself to perceive
it all with a different eye. Might be healthy.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] How Many Cults Do you / Did You Belong to?

[Bhairitu]

new.morning wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>And the TBs of TM are, without a shred of doubt, 
>>>living in a cult.
>>>  
>>>
>>I agree, but I'll add another dimension to it.
>>
>>As you say, the point is not in recognizing that
>>one has been part of a cult, but in getting *past*
>>the cult mindset. And one can do that and still
>>feel positively about the group, or even still
>>work for the group.
>>
>>IMO the first step of that process is being able 
>>to say the word, and apply it to oneself without
>>fear and aversion and anger.
>>
>>I find that when I meet someone who spent a long
>>time in a spiritual trip like the TMO (or the Rama
>>trip, or many others), one of the key indicators
>>as to whether I will be able to get along with them
>>or not is how they relate to that word "cult."
>>
>>
>
>Turq,
>
>Were TM and Rama your only cults. No others? Then Or now? 
>
>I count about ten for me. About 8-12 for others I know. Either I am
>way cultier than you, or you have yet to face the reality of your cult
>past and present. 
>
What is your definition of a cult?   Your definition of Turqy's cults 
are rather broad.   By those definitions anyone who watched a TV show on 
a regular basis would be considered in a cult.  Now maybe if they 
watched that show and got together with a group of people who were not 
only a fan club but worshiped members of the cast with rituals then you 
might have a cult.  And if they punished anyone who trying to leave the 
group it might considered a cult.

Likewise if you have a guitar teacher you see regularly for lessons I 
wouldn't call that a cult either anymore than I would call seeing a 
personal guru regularly.  However if the guitar teacher or the personal 
guru has a group that worship them then that might be a cult.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dutch Newspaper Article on TM (rough translation)

[vajradhatu108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "vajradhatu108" wrote:
> > "geezerfreak" wrote:
> > > EVERYBODY ON A BIG PINK CLOUD
> > > By Maude Effting
> > >`People are more gentile here', says Radboud Matthijsen,
> > > director of the building company.
> > >  `but they are also less assertive.
> > 
> > Yes, it's true. 
> > You can be more gentile too with 
> > Maharishi Vedic Foreskin Reconstruction!
> > 
> > Experience the penetrating power of the Unified Field,
> > just like Maharishi used to in the '60's!
> 
> And, what of the-- Maharishi Wedic Doeskin Supporter--
> for "support of nature"? (Doeskin-lined jock straps)
>

Maybe Walt Disney would let them use Bambi as part of their logo.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dutch Newspaper Article on TM (rough translation)

[coldbluiceman]

> "vajradhatu108" wrote:
> "geezerfreak" wrote:
> > EVERYBODY ON A BIG PINK CLOUD
> > By Maude Effting
> >`People are more gentile here', says Radboud Matthijsen,
> > director of the building company.
> >  `but they are also less assertive.
> 
> Yes, it's true. 
> You can be more gentile too with 
> Maharishi Vedic Foreskin Reconstruction!
> 
> Experience the penetrating power of the Unified Field,
> just like Maharishi used to in the '60's!

And, what of the-- Maharishi Wedic Doeskin Supporter--
for "support of nature"? (Doeskin-lined jock straps)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: I Admit It, I was In a Cult

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:

> > > That is what is so great about the information about these
> > > behaviors being so common among people who still do TM.
> > 
> > So everyone who still does TM is a cultist?
> 
> I see that I wrote my point poorly on re-reading it.

(The sentence quoted above was fine; it was just
that it could be read two ways, and the context
didn't clearly indicate which way it was intended.)

  Thanks for the
> chance to clarify.  I meant that it is great that people in TM now
> commonly know about mind control tactics so they can decide for
> themselves if they apply to their own involvement with TMO.  My 
point
> was that calling TMO a cult or, using your word, calling TMers
> "cultist" is not useful. But knowing about thought reform techniques
> is valuable information whether you decide to continue practicing TM
> or stay involved in TMO, or leave the group and the practice as I
> have.  I do not believe that people who do TM deserve the 
reductionist
> label "cultist". I think most if not all the people who post here 
have
> taken a look at this information and have come to their own
> conclusions.  I respect that.

Thanks for the clarification.

FWIW, I've read quite a bit now about "thought
reform" and "mind control" techniques.  Looking
back on my involvement with TM (as a rank-and-filer
not involved with the TMO per se), I find myself
completely unable to identify any instance in
which I was deprived of "critical choice."

If this was ever attempted, it certainly wasn't
successful in shutting up the little skeptical
voice that I've listened to intently throughout
my life.  Through all my various life experiences,
that little voice has had its say with regard to
the choices I've made.

I have never ignored that voice.  I may sometimes
have chosen to set it to one side on occasion for
the sake of giving something a try (by no means
limited to things TM-ish), but always in full
knowledge that I was doing do, and that I might
subsequently decide I should have kept it front
and center.

If the TMO does use "thought reform" techniques,
with rank-and-filers, at least, it's done a pretty
ineffective job.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dutch Newspaper Article on TM (rough translation)

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today





on 9/25/06 10:05 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
> , Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve also seen Maharishi admit wrongdoing when an inconsistency in 
> his
>> behavior was brought to his attention (by me), but I doubt that 
> happens
>> these days, because no one would dare do that anymore.
>> 
> 
> Could you please elaborate on the instance you were personally 
> involved in that you mention?

He was outlining a daily routine that everyone on International Staff should follow, including a 10pm bedtime. I got up on the mike (in front of several hundred people) and said that since I had joined IS, I had heard him outline such routines several times, and each time it only lasted a few days, and then we were back to staying up really late. So, I said, people just say that Maharishi says one thing and then does another to make us flexible. He said, “no, I really want you to go to bed on time and if I keep you up late, I am making a mistake.” After this, we stayed on a good routine for about 3 months.

On another occasion I was reading him something I had written and he said, “You write good.” and I said “No, Maharishi, I write well.” There, I’ve just told you one of the most embarrassing moments of my life.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: "Free Rounding!": 'Boomers Vs. Gen- XYZ...'

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: "Free Rounding!": 'Boomers Vs. Gen- XYZ...'





on 9/25/06 11:28 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Did he become obese during that time? I have noticed a massive 
explosion in students involved in computer graphics of any kind, 
becoming very fat in their first year of college. I think it is a 
very real problem, and trying to convince graphic design students 
and animation students that they should get exercise and live 
healthy during their studies is very difficult. It is very real 
problem among these students I feel , since they may not recover 
from the obesity they gain in one to two years of stooped in front 
of a computer.

Didn’t become obese. And while at animation school, he had to walk 50 minutes each way from his apartment to school and back. I think that saved him from burnout.

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