[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: You are right again! Also I do barely remember the separate bathrooms and drinking fountains - there were some places in the South that took a while to get rid of them - where did you grow up, if I may ask? Florida until I started school, and then Albany, Georgia until I was about 14. At that point, my father became a more normal Air Force officer, and we started moving -- first to Morocco, then to El Paso, TX, etc. I've been moving every year or two (with a couple of exceptions) ever since. It kinda gets into your blood. As for the South, I to this day feel grateful to the United States Air Force for sending my father and his family to Morocco at such a formative time in my life. I was plunged into the Third World, and loved every minute of it, getting a real edu- cation in what the rest of the world was like. If I'd grown up in the US -- especially in the South -- I might not have ever known. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@ wrote: snippus interruptus So when folks like the current version of myself come along and say hey! Who IS that man behind the curtain the object referral people feel their very soul identity is being called into question. Some people here may find it offensive but drawing on my Southern heritage, the rednecks I was raised with could not imagine a world where white men were not superior to blacks. As my daddy said once, you work with 'em, you tolerate 'em but you don't socialize with them. Any idea of racial equality truly threatened their self identity that depended on belief of whites as a superior race and you could in some places I have been in the past get your ass kicked for offering any other opinion on the subject. I grew up in the South, too, so I can identify with your metaphor. Possibly being older than you, I grew up in an environment in which every restaurant had two water fountains and four bathrooms, one set of each for white and colored. My parents -- bless them -- didn't think this way. They thought more along the lines that your daddy did, and I kinda caught their 'tude from them. I was once thrown off of a city bus at age ten or so for wanting to sit in the back row of the bus. I liked it back there; it was spacious and one could stretch out and enjoy oneself. But I was white. The back of the bus was for coloreds. The driver literally stopped the bus, got up, walked back to the back of the bus and threw me off. The coloreds I'd been having a fine time with waved at me as the bus pulled away. None of the white folks did. I think the metaphor extends to spiritual traditions. People *get used to shit*. Whether that shit is the caste system in India or governors being better than mere meditators, it's all shit. Once they buy into defending the shit, they don't like being told that it's shit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: did you have any experience like Unity or God Consciousness or anything like that in the past that at the time led you to believe that the enlightenment thing was real? I am curious. Yup. First one was on my TTC course, when I popped into what felt pretty much like CC, and stayed there for a few weeks. Then it faded. So it goes. Since then I've had a number of enlightenment or awakening experiences of the (in TM-speak) CC or UC variety. I possibly skipped the GC stuff because I don't really believe in G. :-) I mention this not to toot my own horn or claim any state of consciousness or anything (the only SoC I claim to be in is NC -- Now Consciousness), but because the coming and going of these experiences was instructive in its own right. I didn't get to get *attached* to any of them, and I was never foolish enough to announce them to the world as if they were permanent. I've known a lot of folks who did that -- claimed to be fully enlightened and all -- and then had their experiences fade and go away, leaving them in the position of having to explain to their new followers that they weren't enlightened after all, or to (more common) pretend that the experiences were still going on, to keep the followers and their attention around. In retrospect, I have to say that I do not believe that ANY of these experiences I had were of higher states of consciousness, merely *different* ones. I don't feel that there was either a qualitative or quantitative betterness or higherness to any of the flashy experiences that made them any more significant than my normal, everyday exper- iences. These days I don't even seek such stuff. I just live my life, and the awakenings continue to come and go, seemingly on their own schedule, not mine. I try to enjoy them when they're around, and not to miss them when they're not, same as I do more ordinary experiences. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 2:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Bbut...wha wha wha what if we had us some visions of our past lives? What do we think then? (Happened to me at MIU - he he!) Well, I can speak with some confidence about this, having Been There Done That with past-life recol- lections. I've had dozens of *waking state* (as opposed to dream state during sleep or under the influence of drugs or rounding) flashbacks of myself living in previous eras. In most of them, the trigger or catalyst for the experience was being in the physical location where the supposed past events took place. I'd be walking around a 13th-century walled city in the south of France and the present-day city would just waver and go all hazy and then disappear, and all of the visuals were replaced by the same scene, but 800 years earlier. I'd be *in* my body as of that supposed incarnation, and able to look down and see what I was wearing, what my body type was, etc., and often it would have nothing to do with my present body type or style of dress. Then after a few seconds or minutes the experience would fade, and I'd be back in the present. And? Having had a number of these experiences, I have to describe them as So What? Nice experience, but it no more proves the existence of past lives than simply believing in them does. It could have been Just Another Brain Fart. Similarly, I have had remembered experiences of what it was like to traverse the Bardo between death and rebirth, in full color and 3D. Again, So What? All of this tends to make *me* believe in the possibility of reincarnation, but it doesn't prove shit. These were just my subjective experiences, and as such CANNOT BE TRUSTED. If science has taught us anything, it's that people can convince themselves that they have experienced almost *anything*. This convinced believerism often has nothing whatsoever to do with the actual events that the person can objectively be shown to have experienced. I'm chiming in on this because I think that a *lot* of people here tend to believe that if they experienced something subjectively, then it must be true. I do not believe this, even about my most intense or spiritual experiences. *At the best*, they were only What I Experienced, Subjectively. Nothing more. Truth, they ain't. Reality, they weren't, and will never be. The experiences were -- and will always remain -- subjective, going on only inside my head, or in the synapses of my brain. Bottom line is that my subjective experiences lead me to believe that there may be something to this reincarnation thang. If asked to put it in terms of percentages, or odds, I would bet on this heavily. But I try not to *ever* ASSUME that reincarnation is true,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Star-studded Kumbha Mela
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@... wrote: I love it when the enlightened behave in an enlightened fashion. Seer quits Kumbh mela over land dispute I forgot, which Shank is our Shankara? Can't they just all get along? By Mrigank Tiwari, TNN | Dec 28, 2012, 03.20 AM ISTALLAHABAD: With no response from the Uttar Pradesh government and mela authorities to work out a solution in the dispute over land allotted to four Shankaracharyas in Kumbh Mela area, Shankaracharya of Dwarika Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati has decided to quit the mela and move to his ashram in Madhya Pradesh. Swami Mukteshwaranand, spokesperson of the Shankacharya, told TOI on Thursday: Our stand is clear. Unless the mela authorities decide to allot land in the same area to Shankaracharyas of all four 'peeths' including Jyotish, Goverdhan, Shringeri and Dwarika, we are not going to take part in Kumbh 2013. There has been no message from the mela authorities or the state government and it seems they aren't interested in resolving the deadlock. He said the four peeths established by Adi Shankaracharya include Jyotish Peeth in the north headed by Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, Goverdhan Peet in the east headed by Swami Nishchalanand Saraswati, Shringeri in the south headed by Swami Bhartiya ji Maharaj and Sharda or Dwarika in the west headed by Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati. He added the Jyotish Peeth in the north is temporarily under the control of Swami Swaroopanand of Dwarika because of dispute. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Star-studded Kumbh on cards this time : Rumblings over land allotment among seers notwithstanding, the best is yet to come to Kumbh Mela-2013. A number of celebrities, including Hollywood personalities like award-winning filmmaker, actor, TV director, visual artist and musician David Lynch, actor Richard Gere and spiritual guru Dalai Lama would be rubbing shoulders with bigwigs like former US presidential candidate John Hagelin, a number of Nobel laureates and spiritual gurus. Though Mela authorities were tight-lipped over the names of the celebrities likely to visit the Mela for security reasons, visit of some of the celebrities was confirmed by local sources. National spokesperson of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Trust Dr T C Pathak told TOI: A number of Hollywood celebrities would apparently visit the Mela to pay obeisance to the upcoming 'samadhi' (memorial) of their spiritual guru, late Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, at Sacha Baba ashram in Arail. They would be joined by more than a thousand delegates of the Maharishi movement drawn from 120 countries, who would camp at the sprawling 600-acre Sacha Baba ashram of their late guru. A number of celebrities have been associated with the Maharishi movement. Pathak said: The occasion would be graced by international head of Maharishi movement Dr Tony Nader, who has assumed the high-sounding title of Raja Ram, head of the Global Country of World Peace. Giving him company and assistance would be his deputy Raja Harris and prime minister of the Maharishi Global Country of World Peace Dr Bevan Morris. Pathak refused to comment on the possibility of the visit of pop legend Sir Paul McCartney of the Beatles fame, but said that the group was closely associated with their spiritual guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in the 60s.The entire group led by late George Harrison had come down to Rishikesh to meet Mahesh Yogi and stayed there for a couple of days. It was during the course of their stay that the group composed the song - Anthem-Jai Guru Deva, which was played by the National Aeronautical Space Agency (NASA) of the US for astronauts during their space odyssey. Hagelin, a one-time US presidential candidate and a world-renowned quantum physicist, educator, public policy expert and leading proponent of peace, would be our guest, Dr Pathak said. The visit of American filmmaker David Lynch is definitely on the cards along with a host of other international celebrities from the field of science, politics and business at Mahesh Yogi ashram. Maharishi's devotees would play host to a large number of foreign tourists during Kumbh. More than a thousand delegates from 120 countries would also attend our camp at Kumbh Mela, informed Dr Pathak. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/
[FairfieldLife] Giant mistake?
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[FairfieldLife] Vuurverk / Fuegos Artificiales / Feu d'Artifice
It's New Year's Eve in the Netherlands, and just as they did last year, the fireworks have started early in the morning. They're legal here, and unlike the US and other nations, pretty much everyone has them. In Amsterdam a few years ago, I was amazed at the sheer number of fireworks been rolled out. Literally rolled out. When I arrived there for my first Dutch New Year's Eve, I saw people rolling these big, red wheels out onto the streets, the size of monster truck tires, and couldn't figure out what the heck they were until people started unrolling them. They were massive strings of firecrackers, literally thousands of them in each wheel, and when laid out they extended for ten to twenty meters. When set alight, they all go off in sequence, creating a cacophony unlike anything I'd ever heard. Everybody's got skyrockets, too, so they'll be going off all day, and pretty much all night. Suffice it to say that my dogs are not going to be happy about this, and that it will be difficult to drag them out of the house for their walkies today. In France the fireworks were more American-style, meaning that although a few people had their own, there was one big city-organized fireworks show at around 10:00 pm. What made it so spectacular was that living in Sauve, which essentially hasn't changed all that much since the Middle Ages, and is still in many ways a medieval village, the city turned off all the street lights just before the show began. THAT was magic, wandering around the streets in total darkness, just the way one would have had to do back *in* the Middle Ages, the only light coming from the fireworks overhead. But the best fireworks shows I ever saw were in Spain. It's a big fireworks producer, and Sitges just happened to have a guy living there who was considered a fireworks master, and was referred to by the Spanish government as a living treasure. He staged the most amazing shows I've ever seen, literally painting pictures in the sky, that would then shift and move and change, as if they were animated movies. It's an odd, ephemeral artform. All of the effort of design and planning, combined with the science of pyrotechnics, all going into something that is going to last only for a few seconds, long enough to make people go O!!! I'm not a big fan of the noisy ones, around here loud enough to be mistaken for bombs, but I like the pretty ones. Here's wishing everyone a nice fire-in-the-sky evening wherever you live, and a Happy New Year. May it be better than this one was...
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: We have PROVEN EFFECTIVE work to do. Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of transcending benefits all areas of individual lifemind, body, behavior, and society. Make haste. Included in this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of practitioners of the Transcending Meditation programas few as 1% of a populationcreate a positive influence on society reducing crime, accidents and other negative trends. This overall increase of positivity in societal trends arises from the increasing purity in collective consciousness of the entire population created by hundreds of individuals experiencing the pure silence and peace of Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first discovered by scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi who had predicted it more than a decade earlier. The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established a new formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful society, free from crime and problems. Time is progressive and time is upon us now. Do what you have to to come to meditation. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Take Heart and come back to meditation, come to meditation with us! Will you not help? Come show us your mettle. Take courage and come back to meditation. Come sit with us. There is great work to do. Proven and effective spiritual work here on Earth to do for good together. Put aside your fear. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: O ye of small experience we do have great work to do, For where two or three have come together in the Unified Field, The Field is there amidst them. Scientific research shows that even small groups of peace-creating meditators (as little as the square root of one percent of the population) can quietly transform trends in society from conflict and enmity to peace and cooperation. Love, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: The important thing is that ALL of it would be achieved without ever having to resort to that horrible thing that lesser-evolved souls have to rely on to achieve their dreams, W...W...WWORK. Can't have that. TMers (being so special and all) should just be able to sit (or bounce) on their fat butts and have it all Just Happen, because...uh...they're so special and all. That W-word is for losers; they should just be able to think HOE into existence.
[FairfieldLife] A Guy walks into a bar (Was: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?)
You know, I've been thinking for years, why the world doesn't just jump on board with the whole TM/TMSP program, since it is just simply logical from a scientific POV. Then I was just thinking how many times i've asked a woman out, or tried to spark up a conversation and simply got the cold shoulder. I could easily come up with a hundred reasons why she shouldn't be so cold and distant. I could potentially be the best thing that ever happened to her. But that is all from a subjective point of view, no subjectivity whatsoever. First, maybe I should take a look at myself. Maybe I dress poorly, maybe my breath stinks, maybe i'm not as good looking as I think I am. Then I also have to check my personality. Maybe i'm coming off the wrong way, perhaps I'm using the same old pickup lines that simply turn women off. Maybe i'm being too aggressive and unnatural in the conversation. Then I also have to consider what this woman has been through. How many times has she had her heart broken by someone who looks and acts just like me? Is she divorced, is she a single mother just trying to make ends meet, has she been abused by men in the past? All these questions have to be asked before I run around with the attitude that this woman is so stupid not to pay attention to how awesome of a guy I am. I look at the TMO the same way. So many TB's simply spout off all the scientific research and how readily every society should just adopt TM immediately. The TMO seems to ask no serious questions of itself in terms of how they are coming off to the mass public. Below are some questions that I think are very important to ask before the TMO continues its campaign: 1. Does our behavior and personality of our TM Governors come off strange to people? 2. Does any of the video footage of our founder, MMY, perhaps scare off people when he praises dictators like Fidel Castro, among others? 3. Does the apparent apathy and sloth of TM/TMSP practitioners cause non TM'ers to doubt the validity of their claims to more effectiveness? 4. Does the TMO possess any similar traits to other cults that have led their members to mass death/suicide? 5. Does the TMO seem to come off too aggressive and unnatural in their plea for government to adopt TM? 6. Do some of the decisions made by the TMO that have screwed up other people's lives cause doubt about their intentions? (ex: a doctor packed up all his belongings and moved his practice to Boone, NC with an agreement to work at Heavenly Mountain, only to be denied at the last minute that his designated building would be utilized for something else, and he was no longer needed) 7. Do the financial dealings of the TMO give people any reason to be suspicious of their honesty (ex: bake sales for MSAE had money sent to India instead of MSAE). 8. Do some of the unreasonable demands of TM/TMSP practitioners in Fairfield cause non-TM'ers to look at them like they're idiots (ex: meditators wanted the city of Fairfield to adjust their garbage collection schedule according to the meditation time) These are only a fraction of questions I think should be asked. Don't get me wrong, i'd like to see TM practiced worldwide. But we're not going to convince anyone to jump on our bandwagon just by arguing our point of view. We have to take a hard look at ourselves too. We're not as awesome as we like to think we are. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: We have PROVEN EFFECTIVE work to do. Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of transcending benefits all areas of individual lifemind, body, behavior, and society. Make haste. Included in this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of practitioners of the Transcending Meditation programas few as 1% of a populationcreate a positive influence on society reducing crime, accidents and other negative trends. This overall increase of positivity in societal trends arises from the increasing purity in collective consciousness of the entire population created by hundreds of individuals experiencing the pure silence and peace of Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first discovered by scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi who had predicted it more than a decade earlier. The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established a new formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful society, free from crime and problems. Time is progressive and time is upon us now. Do what you have to to come to meditation. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Take Heart and come back to meditation, come to
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Guy walks into a bar (Was: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: You know, I've been thinking for years, why the world doesn't just jump on board with the whole TM/TMSP program, since it is just simply logical from a scientific POV. Then I was just thinking how many times i've asked a woman out, or tried to spark up a conversation and simply got the cold shoulder. I could easily come up with a hundred reasons why she shouldn't be so cold and distant. I could potentially be the best thing that ever happened to her. But that is all from a subjective point of view, no subjectivity whatsoever. First, maybe I should take a look at myself. Maybe I dress poorly, maybe my breath stinks, maybe i'm not as good looking as I think I am. Then I also have to check my personality. Maybe i'm coming off the wrong way, perhaps I'm using the same old pickup lines that simply turn women off. Maybe i'm being too aggressive and unnatural in the conversation. Then I also have to consider what this woman has been through. How many times has she had her heart broken by someone who looks and acts just like me? Is she divorced, is she a single mother just trying to make ends meet, has she been abused by men in the past? All these questions have to be asked before I run around with the attitude that this woman is so stupid not to pay attention to how awesome of a guy I am. I look at the TMO the same way. So many TB's simply spout off all the scientific research and how readily every society should just adopt TM immediately. The TMO seems to ask no serious questions of itself in terms of how they are coming off to the mass public. Below are some questions that I think are very important to ask before the TMO continues its campaign: 1. Does our behavior and personality of our TM Governors come off strange to people? 2. Does any of the video footage of our founder, MMY, perhaps scare off people when he praises dictators like Fidel Castro, among others? 3. Does the apparent apathy and sloth of TM/TMSP practitioners cause non TM'ers to doubt the validity of their claims to more effectiveness? 4. Does the TMO possess any similar traits to other cults that have led their members to mass death/suicide? 5. Does the TMO seem to come off too aggressive and unnatural in their plea for government to adopt TM? 6. Do some of the decisions made by the TMO that have screwed up other people's lives cause doubt about their intentions? (ex: a doctor packed up all his belongings and moved his practice to Boone, NC with an agreement to work at Heavenly Mountain, only to be denied at the last minute that his designated building would be utilized for something else, and he was no longer needed) 7. Do the financial dealings of the TMO give people any reason to be suspicious of their honesty (ex: bake sales for MSAE had money sent to India instead of MSAE). 8. Do some of the unreasonable demands of TM/TMSP practitioners in Fairfield cause non-TM'ers to look at them like they're idiots (ex: meditators wanted the city of Fairfield to adjust their garbage collection schedule according to the meditation time) These are only a fraction of questions I think should be asked. Here are a few more: 9. Are these people SO weird that they don't even *know* that they're weird? Are they so out of it that they actually think that they're coming across as normal? 10. Do these people have a tendency to become angry and lash out at anyone who criticizes their organization, its founder, its current leaders, and them? Your asking someone out metaphor is apt, and effective. The clueless guy always blaming his track record of getting shot down by every woman he approaches is in most cases acting from a platform of pure ego and narcissism. He thinks, If they rejected me, they just can't see how wonderful I am the way I can see that in myself. Therefore *they're* the ones at fault here, the ones who are stupid. Not me. Suffice it to say that this is *precisely* the TMO's act as well. It *never* steps back to wonder what IT could be doing wrong to have been so thoroughly rejected by so many people for so many years. There is a simple reason -- they're acting like a cult, and individually, like cultists. People aren't interested in the products they are selling, because *they* are the personi- fication of what those products *produce*. Who on earth would want to be like most of the TB TMers one meets? You'd have to be a pretty big loser to want that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
There are A LOT of people in Fairfield, IA, myself included, who have a similar if not same attitude toward their experiences. Of course it's a little more difficult to be blase' about GC experiences. Decades ago I heard that GC could also mean Golden Chain. Anyway, even some folks doing their program in the Dome simply view that activity as another part of daily life. No big deal. Just life as we know it. Even if it is so different from the life that perhaps our families live. Anyone so inclined, come and visit Fairfield, preferably during an Art Walk weekend. You'll be pleasantly surprised by the creativity flourishing here among some very down to earth, humorous and compassionate people. Not perfect people by any means. In fact, most of the ones I know aren't into perfection anyway. They're into life's richness and the living of that. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: did you have any experience like Unity or God Consciousness or anything like that in the past that at the time led you to believe that the enlightenment thing was real? I am curious. Yup. First one was on my TTC course, when I popped into what felt pretty much like CC, and stayed there for a few weeks. Then it faded. So it goes. Since then I've had a number of enlightenment or awakening experiences of the (in TM-speak) CC or UC variety. I possibly skipped the GC stuff because I don't really believe in G. :-) I mention this not to toot my own horn or claim any state of consciousness or anything (the only SoC I claim to be in is NC -- Now Consciousness), but because the coming and going of these experiences was instructive in its own right. I didn't get to get *attached* to any of them, and I was never foolish enough to announce them to the world as if they were permanent. I've known a lot of folks who did that -- claimed to be fully enlightened and all -- and then had their experiences fade and go away, leaving them in the position of having to explain to their new followers that they weren't enlightened after all, or to (more common) pretend that the experiences were still going on, to keep the followers and their attention around. In retrospect, I have to say that I do not believe that ANY of these experiences I had were of higher states of consciousness, merely *different* ones. I don't feel that there was either a qualitative or quantitative betterness or higherness to any of the flashy experiences that made them any more significant than my normal, everyday exper- iences. These days I don't even seek such stuff. I just live my life, and the awakenings continue to come and go, seemingly on their own schedule, not mine. I try to enjoy them when they're around, and not to miss them when they're not, same as I do more ordinary experiences. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 2:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Bbut...wha wha wha what if we had us some visions of our past lives? What do we think then? (Happened to me at MIU - he he!) Well, I can speak with some confidence about this, having Been There Done That with past-life recol- lections. I've had dozens of *waking state* (as opposed to dream state during sleep or under the influence of drugs or rounding) flashbacks of myself living in previous eras. In most of them, the trigger or catalyst for the experience was being in the physical location where the supposed past events took place. I'd be walking around a 13th-century walled city in the south of France and the present-day city would just waver and go all hazy and then disappear, and all of the visuals were replaced by the same scene, but 800 years earlier. I'd be *in* my body as of that supposed incarnation, and able to look down and see what I was wearing, what my body type was, etc., and often it would have nothing to do with my present body type or style of dress. Then after a few seconds or minutes the experience would fade, and I'd be back in the present. And? Having had a number of these experiences, I have to describe them as So What? Nice experience, but it no more proves the existence of past lives than simply believing in them does. It could have been Just Another Brain Fart. Similarly, I have had remembered experiences of what it was like to traverse the Bardo between death and rebirth, in full color and 3D. Again, So What? All of this tends to make *me* believe in the possibility of reincarnation, but it doesn't prove shit. These were just my subjective experiences, and as such
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death! to Steve about agni, etc
Thanks, Steve, and sometimes, especially in the morning, I'm rushing and don't go into a lot of detail when I say something, for example about support of Nature. Just like so called spiritual experiences, it's simply a part of everyday life and something I feel a lot of gratitude for. But it seemingly comes and goes on its own schedule and after all these decades, none of it is any big deal. It's just life. But these days I do love how its richness unfolds all by itself. And I still like Ken Keyes idea that whatever's in our life is either for growth or for enjoyment. So in this sense, support of Nature is always happening. Though obviously if it's more on the growth side of the coin, it might not be so obvious! Richard shared a quote from the wiki article on monotheism that answers my original question to Mike. Still remembering that awesome bread pudding I had last Thursday in Annapolis (-: Once Maharishi explained that ni of Agni is the CONTINUATION of negation. I love that. It resonates as true for me. Happiest of New Years to you and your family! From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death! All this over one simple statement below, and suddenly one is simple minded, a twif a pudding brain!? Or I guess the come back is, no this is just one example of this type of thinking I don't see any of it. I see someone who has traversed through the issues and come to a style of communication that is for the most part non confrontational. I think you totally miss the subtlety of the way Share communicates, and instead choose to demean someone whose thinking processes differ, perhaps markedly from yours. Hi Mike, why do you think that [hatred of Jews] happened? I'm wondering if they were the first group to espouse the idea of one God rather than many gods. Could that have been the reason? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Rolling my eyes in Holland... snip to I perceive that Share tries your patience, that you think she has a pudding brain. Nay, she *acts* as if she has a pudding brain. There is a difference. It's an act that we saw a lot back in the beginning days of the TM movement. The twiffy, bubbly blissninny, gullible as hell and believing basically *anything* told to them by some -- *any* -- charismatic figure. I guess all I'm saying is that this act grates on me when I see it in 14-year-olds, where it is somewhat understandable. Seen in 64-year-olds, I find it incom- prehensible. It really makes me wonder what Fairfield, Iowa is *LIKE* if this act really plays there.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread to John
Maybe people paying their income taxes? Anyway, thanks for this and for info about US chart. Happy 2013! From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:29 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread to John Share, I prefer to use the ancient method of analysing chart, which does not consider the planets beyond Saturn. Jyotish is complicated enough to account for the effects of the other planets. You've got a good point about Mars being exalted in Capricorn at this time. This means money will pour in to the federal government coffers irrespective of what Congress decides. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Plus Mars is exalted in the second house. Both malefics exalted has to be a good thing. Unless...unless Western astrology is more accurate and Card's Pluto square Uranus does us in. Anyway, maybe it explains why FFL is so quiet these days (-: John do you consider the outer planets at all? I know some jyotishis who do. From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 12/30/2012 06:23 AM, Duveyoung wrote: The cosmos is within us. We're made of star stuff. We are a way for the cosmos to know itself. -- Carl Sagan To which I seriously respond: Nope. It is from the Self that all this has come into being. The universe is perhaps describable as a mirror of its radiance, but the Self knows the Self and no mirror is needed. Now, I'll try to defend this statement. See modern science for details. Singularities, for instance. We know not the universe -- except for: Our faint awareness of the ridiculously tiny titch of it inside our ittty bitty brains. A billion, nay, billions and billions of years hence, even then, Carl would agree, so much would remain undiscovered by the best minds using the best instrumentalities -- the universe being so huge. When it comes to having ultimate knowledge, only the Self can be considered the final arbiter of truth, since it was from Self that all else arose. I sure didn't really actually know this, until way way way late in life. Mostly I said such things as a form of wishful thinking. Pssst: You want to know, right? I should just tell you now, right? You don't want to have DECADES of seeking before you too find out the hard way, right? Question: Are you sentient and reading these words right now? That is, is that which has always been the witness to your thoughts, here right now? Are you, here? Are you YOU? To which you say, Of course, I'm here. If anyone would know if I'm here or not, it certainly would be me. I absolutely have forever and always been THE ONLY knower of my thoughts, THE ONLY feeler of my feelings, THE ONLY one who can rifle through my memory banks, THE ONLY livingness of this body/mind system. Therefore: Let no one seek the Self -- for all know the Self. All are the Self. And all that came from the Self can be only be SELF! Why? Because nary a person in all of history can describe the Self in any way that anyone else would not also recognize it to be a description of their Self also. It is the SAME SELF. Just as two pots under water can be said to be filled by the same ocean. Glasses on the nose being sought? Riding a hippopotamus looking for a hippopotamus? For all of anyone's life, ANYONE'S, there is only one Self attending that history of localized sentience. It has never been lost, right? It's here right now, right? If you are not enlightened, NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN. You are complete now by your own admission. You do not say that you are half a being, half a soul, half a mind. You say you are here and have always been the one who is here. And you are CERTAIN that you will always be the you of the system you're witnessing.no other you is possible. Limbs can be lopped, senses muted, consciousness attenuated -- but the Self is unaffected. One says, I am sick. But, but, but what EVERYONE means is, I am FULLY HERE completely intimate with the operations of this body/mind system, which at present is askew, and it is in a process of healing, during which thoughts may come and go, dreams may prevail at times, there may be variance in clarity, and consciousness will not always RECORD these almost endless doings, but all these processes may be a flurry of obfuscation and yet not dent my being CERTAIN that I AM STILL HERE. RIGHT NOW. Deny the above, and when you're
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death!
Steve, I wasn't actually responding to the statement Share made. Turq pointed out that she could have looked up the word monotheism, to understand where/when the concept of one God arrived (i.e. the Jews weren't the first group), but given that she didn't use that word herself, she wouldn't have looked it up. I was replying to feste's use of the term piling on, as I find it a really stooopid term for what I consider a positive aspect of this forum. Read what I wrote again, I wasn't ridiculing, I was voicing an opinion. From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death! Emily, I am not exactly sure what you are saying: if you are showing some undestanding about this statement Share made, or indicating she deserved the harsh responses she received? Here's the statement: Hi Mike, why do you think that [hatred of Jews] happened? I'm wondering if they were the first group to espouse the idea of one God rather than many gods. Could that have been the reason? I believe Barry has a deeper understanding than most of religions, their origins etc. Okay, great. Why not enlighten us, if there is some misconception? I mean if you ask 99% of people, Who discovered America, the answer would be Christopher Columbus. I mean I'm not even sure who discoverd America. But from what I've gathered in the last couple years, it wasn't CC. If you ask 99% of people, who came up with the idea of one God, the answer is going to be the Jews. Again, I'm not sure who came up with idea of One God. So, what's the value in ridiculing someone who asks a question, or makes a statement along these lines? Why not just provide a correction? Anyway, going to bed now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: You know, I ask a lot of stupid questions and throw out a lot of unenlightened bullshit. Â I do this when my mind isn't working, I do it to get feedback, I do it to help myself think differently or more expansively about an issue. Â I don't think piling on is the right phrase at all. Â When people respond to a question or a POV thrown up here, they give all of us the opportunity to gain clarity, think more deeply about our belief system, question our assumptions, look at our logical or illogical train of thought, have a good laugh at ourselves and others', etc. Â I see it as one of the primary gifts of FFL - that people are willing to communicate what they are really thinking. Â It was a huge shock to me to see this here when I arrived. Â It isn't how I experienced my life for many years - so many people are fear-based and too scared to say what their real reality is - they don't even know it themselves, they've protected themselves for so long and gotten stuck in righteousness and sheep mentality and blame and many other defense tactics. Â They have no idea how to take responsibility for themselves, nor do they want to. Â From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death! Â Absolutely right. It's just pile on to Share time, that's all. And Share handles it all with grace and humor. Well done, Share. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: All this over one simple statement below, and suddenly one is simple minded, a twif a pudding brain!? Or I guess the come back is, no this is just one example of this type of thinking I don't see any of it. I see someone who has traversed through the issues and come to a style of communication that is for the most part non confrontational. I think you totally miss the subtlety of the way Share communicates, and instead choose to demean someone whose thinking processes differ, perhaps markedly from yours. Hi Mike, why do you think that [hatred of Jews] happened? I'm wondering if they were the first group to espouse the idea of one God rather than many gods. Could that have been the reason? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Rolling my eyes in Holland... I perceive that Share tries your patience, that you think she has a pudding brain. Nay, she *acts* as if she has a pudding brain. There is a difference. It's an act that we saw a lot back in the beginning days of the TM movement. The twiffy, bubbly blissninny, gullible as hell and believing basically *anything* told to them by some -- *any* -- charismatic figure. I guess all I'm saying is that this act grates on me when I see it in
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: There are A LOT of people in Fairfield, IA, myself included, who have a similar if not same attitude toward their experiences. Of course it's a little more difficult to be blase' about GC experiences. Decades ago I heard that GC could also mean Golden Chain. Anyway, even some folks doing their program in the Dome simply view that activity as another part of daily life. No big deal. Just life as we know it. Even if it is so different from the life that perhaps our families live. Anyone so inclined, come and visit Fairfield, preferably during an Art Walk weekend. You'll be pleasantly surprised by the creativity flourishing here among some very down to earth, humorous and compassionate people. Not perfect people by any means. In fact, most of the ones I know aren't into perfection anyway. They're into life's richness and the living of that.    Yes, I visited that Art walk. Very soft and friendly people in Fairfield generally without the hard aggressive edge found so many other places in that country. What many here seems to not get is that it's possible to be softspoken, kind AND successful. The whole notion so prefferred by posters like the Turq and others here that aggression is a mark of being integrated in the world will have to go and replaced by a new generation of souls. The lack of ability to adjust to the new energies coming into the world is the saddest part of witnessing this great transformation. Sadly it's only natural that many will cling to old forms and patterns.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death!
Why does this show up as from me on the list? Am I missing something? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: As the Black Death epidemics devastated Europe in the mid-14th century, annihilating more than a half of the population, Jews were taken as scapegoats. Rumors spread that they caused the disease by deliberately poisoning wells. Hundreds of Jewish communities were destroyed by violence in the Black Death persecutions. Although Pope Clement VI tried to protect them by the July 6, 1348 papal bull and another 1348 bull, several months later, 900 Jews were burnt alive in Strasbourg, where the plague hadn't yet affected the city.[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jews#Christian_antisemitism So, is it fair to only blame the Nazis??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death!
Never mind, it has corrected itself. I think Yahoo's glitches are a sign I am going to take personally :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Why does this show up as from me on the list? Am I missing something? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: As the Black Death epidemics devastated Europe in the mid-14th century, annihilating more than a half of the population, Jews were taken as scapegoats. Rumors spread that they caused the disease by deliberately poisoning wells. Hundreds of Jewish communities were destroyed by violence in the Black Death persecutions. Although Pope Clement VI tried to protect them by the July 6, 1348 papal bull and another 1348 bull, several months later, 900 Jews were burnt alive in Strasbourg, where the plague hadn't yet affected the city.[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jews#Christian_antisemitism So, is it fair to only blame the Nazis??
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread to John
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xuJoZrYyn4 Tropical Saturn in the first decan(?) of Scorpio, ruled by Pluto! (kr. plouton = riches?) Yikes! :0 Card, It's an accepted fact that Tropical astrology does not consider the earth's precession to determine the longitude of the planets' transits. The precession is the scientific explanation for the earth's wobble, like a spinning top, as it rotates around the Sun. As such, Saturn as of now is still transitiong in the sign of Libra. JR Yeah, I'm well aware of that. But as far as I know there are at least a couple of different 'ayanaaMsa-s' even in sidereal astrology, eh? And then there's heliocentric sidereal and tropical, and stuff? I seem to recall at least Robert Hand has a rather good raison d'etre for tropical astrology, in his Horoscope Symbols...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on the walls though.:-) Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't lose money on many courses. So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating myself into a normal, successful worldly life. I did the same as you. But, I think working for the TMO for 3 years is a lot less time than many people invested. Also, for many back in the 1970's, they were of an age when people go to grad school, or get started in a career, begin to set up an adult life. I know of a few people who felt very angry in retrospect, that they had spent their 20's and early 30's working for the TMO, only to find that they were without credentials or any savings by the time they decided Enuf. Despite this, many got on with their lives and made great successes of things, even if later in life. Some did not and would have benefitted from a more traditional life plan. I did not see tons of young Indians spending their 20's and 30's working for little compensation for the TMO. That would not have been ok with Indian parents, tradition or values. I think one of the problems was that the Westerners tried to have a foot in each camp: householder and devotee, and they often ended up without funds or experience to manage much in the real world as well as lost faith in the guru. I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get why some might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might have left a mark - that they never caught up. Especially if they are disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts. If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and trot out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, but when they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb: :-) The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history. this makes you sound kinda dumb...just sayin'... Not dumb, dear Doctor. Here is the key thing. Many people who appear the most bitter are those who spent the most time, invested much of themselves, in the Movement whether it was in in the form of years, sweat, dedication or belief. This was a cost on some level. When someone has put so much of themselves into something and found it, in the end, wanting it seems to me natural that there is disappointment, bitterness, a foundation for defining/revealing, what went wrong. It is never a valid excuse that something isn't wrong because it happens all the time. Frequency of transgression does not override the seriousness of it. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
Duveyoung: I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the other via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- both assholesmean assholeshaughty, rude motherfucking assholes. You're an asshole for posting this. What was it, the the money? LoL! Did I make myself clear? I don't know about the others. SNIP
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death!
seventhray2: I believe Barry has a deeper understanding than most of religions, their origins etc... Apparently Barry is unaware of the monotheism of the Rig Veda and the Avesta, as well as ignorant of the origin of dualism in the Indian Sankhya. Go figure. Okay, great. Why not enlighten us, if there is some misconception? Yes, why not enlighten us? I NEED SOME SPIRITUAL HELP! Please won't someone help me! For Christ's sake, please. How many Gods are there, really?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: http://youtu.be/3sqA--t9XZY Perfect and thank you Raunch. Since I am not a TV watcher I have failed to ever see Project Runway but one big difference between the lady with the popcorn stuck to her hip and lightbulbs and cardboard festooned all over he body is that she isn't calling herself a Raja. I think that makes all the difference. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Oh c'mon, Have you *watched* Project Runway?!!? Makes this cat look like a boy scout... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the other via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- ¨ Oh dear, BY BIRTH ?? AND devotees of a Saint ??? Assholes, no doubt about it !! OK but what self-respecting person (are all Rajas men?!?!?! If so that could explain a few things) would be willing to go around dressed like THIS? To me, this says it all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Oh c'mon, Have you *watched* Project Runway?!!? Makes this cat look like a boy scout... I like the Boy Scout's hat better. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the other via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- ¨ Oh dear, BY BIRTH ?? AND devotees of a Saint ??? Assholes, no doubt about it !! OK but what self-respecting person (are all Rajas men?!?!?! If so that could explain a few things) would be willing to go around dressed like THIS? To me, this says it all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a nothing technique that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice to their wives. It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten better as a human in that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so who knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do with their money and how they treat their minions. And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment in gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for more cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at least ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their gold turns the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to approach the rich with anything but hey, try the bean casserole. They smell your beggary from 100 feet away. So, on that level, I pity them, because they are always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only people like them to hob nob with. Vicious cycle that. Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be used to good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is just not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens physiological excitation, but I could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that. I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored? Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right? Ask L.B., right? The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual clarity -- tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any discussion of the fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's money/death, and on and on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't respect us or grant us any right to know about most of the movement's machinations. Here's one symbolic moment for me: on teacher training, Maharishi had a meeting that was sort of thrown together quickly in a very small venue and it turned out that people could sit right next to Maharishi, maybe only a 100 people in the room. This rich guy planks his ass down right next to Maharishi, and picks up Maharishi's hand and holds it! -- instead of listening he interrupted Maharishi several times to add his opinion to the words of Maharishi. Maharishi didn't even twitch, and none of his body guards did either -- they knew the master was working the guy up to get a big gift to the movement, ya see? Up until the time, the only person I knew who'd ever touched Maharishi was Tat Walla Baba. If I had planked my ass down before that rich guy, I would have been sent home FOR FUCKING EVER for not knowing my place. And, yes, after that instance, I gave two more decades to the movement -- which means I was not only an asshole, but a mindful toady asshole. And that's the cause of all this bitterness you see in my writings -- I did this to me. 100% on me, but if anyone here wants to defend the TMO as guilt-free because everyone has their integrity and has to own their own karma, so we get to maraud others with fake science, lies, lies and more lies, then I'm probably going to piss
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: ¨ I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get why some might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might have left a mark - that they never caught up. Especially if they are disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts. Good story. Regarding those disaappointed souls, in my experience with being in these settings for 40 years, they have all one thing in common; they never liked sadhana in the first place. Too restless to really LIKE or even be able to sit. And now hey are bitter ? For what, because their restless nature has been cruel to them ? In my experiene, the vast majority of these are simply spiritually lazy. Then ofcourse they need someone ELSE to blame.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a nothing technique that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice to their wives. It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten better as a human in that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so who knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do with their money and how they treat their minions. And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment in gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for more cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at least ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their gold turns the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to approach the rich with anything but hey, try the bean casserole. They smell your beggary from 100 feet away. So, on that level, I pity them, because they are always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only people like them to hob nob with. Vicious cycle that. Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be used to good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is just not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens physiological excitation, but I could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that. I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored? Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right? Ask L.B., right? The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual clarity -- tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any discussion of the fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's money/death, and on and on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't respect us or grant us any right to know about most of the movement's machinations. Here's one symbolic moment for me: on teacher training, Maharishi had a meeting that was sort of thrown together quickly in a very small venue and it turned out that people could sit right next to Maharishi, maybe only a 100 people in the room. This rich guy planks his ass down right next to Maharishi, and picks up Maharishi's hand and holds it! -- instead of listening he interrupted Maharishi several times to add his opinion to the words of Maharishi. Maharishi didn't even twitch, and none of his body guards did either -- they knew the master was working the guy up to get a big gift to the movement, ya see? Up until the time, the only person I knew who'd ever touched Maharishi was Tat Walla Baba. If I had planked my ass down before that rich guy, I would have been sent home FOR FUCKING EVER for not knowing my place. And, yes, after that instance, I gave two more decades to the movement -- which means I was not only an asshole, but a mindful toady asshole. And that's the cause of all this bitterness you see in my writings -- I did this to me. 100% on me, I guess there is lots of psycho talk about how in some amazing way we are
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: Steve, I wasn't actually responding to the statement Share made.  Turq pointed out that she could have looked up the word monotheism, to understand where/when the concept of one God arrived (i.e. the Jews weren't the first group), Why? Is this some sort of academic setting? We're making causal conversation here. If someone as more accurate information than someone else, why not share it? Share makes a technical error that would have had no material difference in the discussion, and suddenly she's a twif, a pudding brain, simple minded. but given that she didn't use that word herself, she wouldn't have looked it up.  I was replying to feste's use of the term piling on, as I find it a really stooopid term for what I consider a positive aspect of this forum.  Read what I wrote again, I wasn't ridiculing, I was voicing an opinion.  So, let me get this straight. Referring to someone as a twif, a pudding brain or simple minded is just positive feedback, and not piling on? Okay, I accept that this is your opinion. No problem there. From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death!  Emily, I am not exactly sure what you are saying: if you are showing some undestanding about this statement Share made, or indicating she deserved the harsh responses she received? Here's the statement: Hi Mike, why do you think that [hatred of Jews] happened? I'm wondering if they were the first group to espouse the idea of one God rather than many gods. Could that have been the reason? I believe Barry has a deeper understanding than most of religions, their origins etc. Okay, great. Why not enlighten us, if there is some misconception? I mean if you ask 99% of people, Who discovered America, the answer would be Christopher Columbus. I mean I'm not even sure who discoverd America. But from what I've gathered in the last couple years, it wasn't CC. If you ask 99% of people, who came up with the idea of one God, the answer is going to be the Jews. Again, I'm not sure who came up with idea of One God. So, what's the value in ridiculing someone who asks a question, or makes a statement along these lines? Why not just provide a correction? Anyway, going to bed now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: You know, I ask a lot of stupid questions and throw out a lot of unenlightened bullshit. àI do this when my mind isn't working, I do it to get feedback, I do it to help myself think differently or more expansively about an issue. àI don't think piling on is the right phrase at all. àWhen people respond to a question or a POV thrown up here, they give all of us the opportunity to gain clarity, think more deeply about our belief system, question our assumptions, look at our logical or illogical train of thought, have a good laugh at ourselves and others', etc. àI see it as one of the primary gifts of FFL - that people are willing to communicate what they are really thinking. àIt was a huge shock to me to see this here when I arrived. àIt isn't how I experienced my life for many years - so many people are fear-based and too scared to say what their real reality is - they don't even know it themselves, they've protected themselves for so long and gotten stuck in righteousness and sheep mentality and blame and many other defense tactics. àThey have no idea how to take responsibility for themselves, nor do they want to. àFrom: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death! àAbsolutely right. It's just pile on to Share time, that's all. And Share handles it all with grace and humor. Well done, Share. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: All this over one simple statement below, and suddenly one is simple minded, a twif a pudding brain!? Or I guess the come back is, no this is just one example of this type of thinking I don't see any of it. I see someone who has traversed through the issues and come to a style of communication that is for the most part non confrontational. I think you totally miss the subtlety of the way Share communicates, and instead choose to demean someone whose thinking processes differ, perhaps markedly from yours. Hi Mike, why do you think that [hatred of Jews] happened? I'm wondering if they were the first group to espouse the idea of one God rather than many gods. Could that have been the reason? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
I agree. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on the walls though.:-) Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't lose money on many courses. So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating myself into a normal, successful worldly life. I did the same as you. But, I think working for the TMO for 3 years is a lot less time than many people invested. Also, for many back in the 1970's, they were of an age when people go to grad school, or get started in a career, begin to set up an adult life. I know of a few people who felt very angry in retrospect, that they had spent their 20's and early 30's working for the TMO, only to find that they were without credentials or any savings by the time they decided Enuf. Despite this, many got on with their lives and made great successes of things, even if later in life. Some did not and would have benefitted from a more traditional life plan. I did not see tons of young Indians spending their 20's and 30's working for little compensation for the TMO. That would not have been ok with Indian parents, tradition or values. I think one of the problems was that the Westerners tried to have a foot in each camp: householder and devotee, and they often ended up without funds or experience to manage much in the real world as well as lost faith in the guru. I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get why some might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might have left a mark - that they never caught up. Especially if they are disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts. If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and trot out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, but when they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb: :-) The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history. this makes you sound kinda dumb...just sayin'... Not dumb, dear Doctor. Here is the key thing. Many people who appear the most bitter are those who spent the most time, invested much of themselves, in the Movement whether it was in in the form of years, sweat, dedication or belief. This was a cost on some level. When someone has put so much of themselves into something and found it, in the end, wanting it seems to me natural that there is disappointment, bitterness, a foundation for defining/revealing, what went wrong. It is never a valid excuse that something isn't wrong because it happens all the time. Frequency of transgression does not override the seriousness of it. snip
[FairfieldLife] A new humanity will be born
Little by little bitter, unfulfilled, lazy souls will be replaced as this prediction comes through: A new humanity will be born, fuller in conception and richer in experience and accomplishments in all fields. Joy of life will belong to every man, love will dominate human society, truth and virtue will reign in the world, peace on earth will be permanent, and all will live in fulfillment. --Maharishi 1963
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
Kind of...after thinking about it, I did a lot of the same stuff (no skills, savings, or education, at age 30 - hadn't even ever had a checking account!), due to my allegiance to the TMO for about ten years. Once I left, I had to work-my-ass-off, full-time job and school while starting a family - That went on for awhile. So if someone feels like they pissed away a decade or two, I am a member of that club. I am also a big proponent of sharing personal impressions - However, when does it stop? I have known people in my life who as a result of a significant trauma, which the TMO experiences appear to be for some, have made that their central and defining moment, like wearing a millstone of failure around their necks constantly. It seems like such a waste of time. See a therapist, talk to sympathetic friends, write a letter, make a phone call - something to get out of the cycle, as you suggested. The larger point --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: I agree. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on the walls though.:-) Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't lose money on many courses. So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating myself into a normal, successful worldly life. I did the same as you. But, I think working for the TMO for 3 years is a lot less time than many people invested. Also, for many back in the 1970's, they were of an age when people go to grad school, or get started in a career, begin to set up an adult life. I know of a few people who felt very angry in retrospect, that they had spent their 20's and early 30's working for the TMO, only to find that they were without credentials or any savings by the time they decided Enuf. Despite this, many got on with their lives and made great successes of things, even if later in life. Some did not and would have benefitted from a more traditional life plan. I did not see tons of young Indians spending their 20's and 30's working for little compensation for the TMO. That would not have been ok with Indian parents, tradition or values. I think one of the problems was that the Westerners tried to have a foot in each camp: householder and devotee, and they often ended up without funds or experience to manage much in the real world as well as lost faith in the guru. I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get why some might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might have left a mark - that they never caught up. Especially if they are disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts. If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and trot out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, but when they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb: :-) The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: ¨ I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get why some might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might have left a mark - that they never caught up. Especially if they are disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts. Good story. Regarding those disaappointed souls, in my experience with being in these settings for 40 years, they have all one thing in common; they never liked sadhana in the first place. Too restless to really LIKE or even be able to sit. That was not my experience at all. In fact, I saw many overly devoted folks, who adored sitting still, feel most angry when they decided the TMO was not for them. I admired their honesty. Personally, I was devoted but did not buy into all the things 100%. I kept my own sense of right and wrong because of the way I was built, I guess. I felt less loyal and committed, but knew I could never give up my own values. I spoke up a bit, but then got sucked into making a living and all the TMO stuff seemed far away.That made it easier to stay in, but is, I feel, less honest. Just a different role to play. And now hey are bitter ? For what, because their restless nature has been cruel to them ? In my experiene, the vast majority of these are simply spiritually lazy. They saw and heard stuff they felt was dishonest or not true to their vision of what they were doing with their lives. Then ofcourse they need someone ELSE to blame.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
LOL - well said - reminds me of something I heard: If you don't want to see it through, don't even begin the spiritual path.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: ¨ I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get why some might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might have left a mark - that they never caught up. Especially if they are disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts. Good story. Regarding those disaappointed souls, in my experience with being in these settings for 40 years, they have all one thing in common; they never liked sadhana in the first place. Too restless to really LIKE or even be able to sit. And now hey are bitter ? For what, because their restless nature has been cruel to them ? In my experiene, the vast majority of these are simply spiritually lazy. Then ofcourse they need someone ELSE to blame.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
I Remember that the focus on money was the very first thing I started to wonder about in the years when I thought TM was the best things since sliced bread - speaking of which you would have been there when I was the baker - so if you ever ate in Annapurna you ate my bread and desserts - hope they didn't give you indigestion - speaking of which, when I was at MIU the head cook was an Israeli named Avraham who was adamantly against white sugar because his dad had become diabetic. When his birthday came up I made a huge sheet cake with honey instead of sugar and frosted it with whipped cream sweetened with honey also - I had to hide the fact that I had done so since this was just after ayurveda had been instituted and in the bakery we could not make any kind of fermented products (no sourdough bread) and no using honey as a sweetener since heating honey makes it tamasic. No one gave a flip except for this one guy named Vince who was a real hard core Movement fanatic who took as gospel ANYTHING that come down from any supervisor or was reputed to be official Movement policy. We had a lot of fun with him because he was also fanatical in enforcing the rule that only authorized kitchen personnel were to be in the kitchen EVER. He was like a police attack dog when he saw a stranger in the kitchen area looking for food - he would go over and raise hell with them and try to throw them out - he even did it to some of the security guys who would come in late for dinner. It used to drive the kitchen director crazy because sometimes there would be visiting TM dignitaries who might have come on campus after regular meal hours and were trying to get something to eat - Vince would get up in their face and tell them how their violation of official MIU policy was denigrating the University's efforts to bring enlightenment to the world - it was priceless to see the looks on their faces when he would spout off stuff like that. They had no idea how to respond except to say I am just trying to get something to eat. Avraham and Peter Ligotti used to see people they didn't recognize in the kitchen and sick Vince on them just to have some entertainment. The kitchen director couldn't tell Vince not to enforce the policy because sometimes students tried to come in and swipe hunks of cheese to take to their rooms and that sort of thing, but he had to run interference between TM big wigs and Vince. Anyway, Vince was adamantly against using honey in baking after the ayurvedic pronouncements had come out so I lied and told everyone that Avraham's cake was a regular cake with sugar, whispering to Avi that it was actually made with dark honey that my German buddy Danny had bought from an Amish farmer and had given to me. The cake was a three layer sheet cake about maybe one and a half to two feet tall covered in honey sweetened whipped cream with the design of the Israeli flag on top made with fresh blueberries. The cake attracted a lot of attention including from a number and I mean probably 15 or 20 people who asked for a piece (there was plenty) most of them were governors who I knew were totally on board with all ayurvedic stuff including the prohibition against baking with honey. The next day Avraham and I both thought it was funny as hell because about 7 or 8 of those ayurvedically correct governors came to us and complimented my cake saying it was literally the most delicious they had ever eaten and they felt the good effect as they slept and the next day in program. Nobody else in the kitchen knew what the two of us were laughing so much about. From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? I was at MIU from 1981 to 1986 and also taught as adjunct faculty for some years after that, too. I understand your point of view as well. The movement was always slippery with money. Some years ago, I was in a position to donate some money to the university, so I found out from my former department what specific item they needed, bought it myself, transported it to the place where it was to be used, and installed it myself. That way, I knew that the money would be used for the intended purpose. I think that if one is involved in a spiritual organization like the TMO, you need a strong dose of rationality and the ability to guard your own personal integrity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I understand - I had a friend who feels the same way - we were on MIU staff together - I in kitchen services she was in the fundraising dept. After I left she got her MBA, which somehow the movement paid for, put one of her sons thru high school there, went on TTC that also she got funding for thru the Movement - went on to be center chairman of a center in New
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Kind of...after thinking about it, I did a lot of the same stuff (no skills, savings, or education, at age 30 - hadn't even ever had a checking account!), due to my allegiance to the TMO for about ten years. Once I left, I had to work-my-ass-off, full-time job and school while starting a family - That went on for awhile. So if someone feels like they pissed away a decade or two, I am a member of that club. I am also a big proponent of sharing personal impressions - However, when does it stop? I have known people in my life who as a result of a significant trauma, which the TMO experiences appear to be for some, have made that their central and defining moment, like wearing a millstone of failure around their necks constantly. It seems like such a waste of time. See a therapist, talk to sympathetic friends, write a letter, make a phone call - something to get out of the cycle, as you suggested. And I agree with you on this. I guess you are right that this leaving the TM or TMO can be a trauma for some. The larger point --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I agree. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on the walls though.:-) Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't lose money on many courses. So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating myself into a normal, successful worldly life. I did the same as you. But, I think working for the TMO for 3 years is a lot less time than many people invested. Also, for many back in the 1970's, they were of an age when people go to grad school, or get started in a career, begin to set up an adult life. I know of a few people who felt very angry in retrospect, that they had spent their 20's and early 30's working for the TMO, only to find that they were without credentials or any savings by the time they decided Enuf. Despite this, many got on with their lives and made great successes of things, even if later in life. Some did not and would have benefitted from a more traditional life plan. I did not see tons of young Indians spending their 20's and 30's working for little compensation for the TMO. That would not have been ok with Indian parents, tradition or values. I think one of the problems was that the Westerners tried to have a foot in each camp: householder and devotee, and they often ended up without funds or experience to manage much in the real world as well as lost faith in the guru. I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get why some might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might have left a mark - that they never caught up. Especially if they are disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts. If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and trot out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, but when they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb: :-) The TMO is in my
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
Barry this is very well said and something I needed to hear - thank you for this, I appreciate it. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 3:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: did you have any experience like Unity or God Consciousness or anything like that in the past that at the time led you to believe that the enlightenment thing was real? I am curious. Yup. First one was on my TTC course, when I popped into what felt pretty much like CC, and stayed there for a few weeks. Then it faded. So it goes. Since then I've had a number of enlightenment or awakening experiences of the (in TM-speak) CC or UC variety. I possibly skipped the GC stuff because I don't really believe in G. :-) I mention this not to toot my own horn or claim any state of consciousness or anything (the only SoC I claim to be in is NC -- Now Consciousness), but because the coming and going of these experiences was instructive in its own right. I didn't get to get *attached* to any of them, and I was never foolish enough to announce them to the world as if they were permanent. I've known a lot of folks who did that -- claimed to be fully enlightened and all -- and then had their experiences fade and go away, leaving them in the position of having to explain to their new followers that they weren't enlightened after all, or to (more common) pretend that the experiences were still going on, to keep the followers and their attention around. In retrospect, I have to say that I do not believe that ANY of these experiences I had were of higher states of consciousness, merely *different* ones. I don't feel that there was either a qualitative or quantitative betterness or higherness to any of the flashy experiences that made them any more significant than my normal, everyday exper- iences. These days I don't even seek such stuff. I just live my life, and the awakenings continue to come and go, seemingly on their own schedule, not mine. I try to enjoy them when they're around, and not to miss them when they're not, same as I do more ordinary experiences. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 2:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Bbut...wha wha wha what if we had us some visions of our past lives? What do we think then? (Happened to me at MIU - he he!) Well, I can speak with some confidence about this, having Been There Done That with past-life recol- lections. I've had dozens of *waking state* (as opposed to dream state during sleep or under the influence of drugs or rounding) flashbacks of myself living in previous eras. In most of them, the trigger or catalyst for the experience was being in the physical location where the supposed past events took place. I'd be walking around a 13th-century walled city in the south of France and the present-day city would just waver and go all hazy and then disappear, and all of the visuals were replaced by the same scene, but 800 years earlier. I'd be *in* my body as of that supposed incarnation, and able to look down and see what I was wearing, what my body type was, etc., and often it would have nothing to do with my present body type or style of dress. Then after a few seconds or minutes the experience would fade, and I'd be back in the present. And? Having had a number of these experiences, I have to describe them as So What? Nice experience, but it no more proves the existence of past lives than simply believing in them does. It could have been Just Another Brain Fart. Similarly, I have had remembered experiences of what it was like to traverse the Bardo between death and rebirth, in full color and 3D. Again, So What? All of this tends to make *me* believe in the possibility of reincarnation, but it doesn't prove shit. These were just my subjective experiences, and as such CANNOT BE TRUSTED. If science has taught us anything, it's that people can convince themselves that they have experienced almost *anything*. This convinced believerism often has nothing whatsoever to do with the actual events that the person can objectively be shown to have experienced. I'm chiming in on this because I think that a *lot* of people here tend to believe that if they experienced something subjectively, then it must be true. I do not believe this, even about my most intense or spiritual experiences. *At the best*, they were only What I Experienced, Subjectively. Nothing more. Truth, they ain't. Reality, they weren't, and will never be. The experiences were -- and will always remain -- subjective, going on only inside my head, or in the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
You bring up a good point regarding the seed of resentment that was planted in you, and continues to blossom. We humans have an innate sense of equality with each other. However, some people are attracted to the idea that they can be part of a social class that is PERMANENTLY superior. As anyone can see, in this world, it is a common mental illness. And, using the examples of class systems in any part of the world, and within any organization, it always produces the same result - those who are placed in the underclass, viscerally hate those placing themselves in the upper class. The underclass is placed in a position of permanent inferiority, with not only no hope of equality or redemption, but also within a social structure that constantly reinforces the inviolable class distinction, to their disadvantage. So, I get it, and I know that it takes a lot of work to regain one's sense of equality in life, after being subjected to that environment. One thing that helps me is recognizing any class distinctions between people as superficial, and frankly, silly - those on the pedestals of their own making become the performing clowns.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a nothing technique that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice to their wives. It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten better as a human in that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so who knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do with their money and how they treat their minions. And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment in gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for more cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at least ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their gold turns the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to approach the rich with anything but hey, try the bean casserole. They smell your beggary from 100 feet away. So, on that level, I pity them, because they are always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only people like them to hob nob with. Vicious cycle that. Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be used to good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is just not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens physiological excitation, but I could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that. I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored? Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right? Ask L.B., right? The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual clarity -- tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any discussion of the fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's money/death, and on and on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't respect us or grant us any right to know about most of the movement's machinations. Here's one symbolic moment
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
When you worked on the first Dome did you meet a guy by the name of Richard Kilmer - big fella with a big booming voice - he was an architect? From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on the walls though.:-) Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't lose money on many courses. So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating myself into a normal, successful worldly life. If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and trot out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, but when they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb: :-) The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history. this makes you sound kinda dumb...just sayin'... Not dumb, dear Doctor. Here is the key thing. Many people who appear the most bitter are those who spent the most time, invested much of themselves, in the Movement whether it was in in the form of years, sweat, dedication or belief. This was a cost on some level. When someone has put so much of themselves into something and found it, in the end, wanting it seems to me natural that there is disappointment, bitterness, a foundation for defining/revealing, what went wrong. It is never a valid excuse that something isn't wrong because it happens all the time. Frequency of transgression does not override the seriousness of it. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: LOL - well said - reminds me of something I heard: If you doen't want to see it through, don't even begin the spiritual path.:-) Don't know who you replied to here Dr., but sometimes I wonder why the Masters instructed Maharishi to throw his nets so wide. He commented on the choise he had once saying he had two choices; staying in the Himalayas selecting a handfull of serious students or offering the gift of Guru Dev to the whole world. He certainly made an interesting descision. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: ¨ I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get why some might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might have left a mark - that they never caught up. Especially if they are disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts. Good story. Regarding those disaappointed souls, in my experience with being in these settings for 40 years, they have all one thing in common; they never liked sadhana in the first place. Too restless to really LIKE or even be able to sit. And now hey are bitter ? For what, because their restless nature has been cruel to them ? In my experiene, the vast majority of these are simply spiritually lazy. Then ofcourse they need someone ELSE to blame.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
Yeah, there were some good desserts in those days. I ate lunch at Annapurna every day. I never ran into that Vince character, thank goodness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I Remember that the focus on money was the very first thing I started to wonder about in the years when I thought TM was the best things since sliced bread - speaking of which you would have been there when I was the baker - so if you ever ate in Annapurna you ate my bread and desserts - hope they didn't give you indigestion - speaking of which, when I was at MIU the head cook was an Israeli named Avraham who was adamantly against white sugar because his dad had become diabetic. When his birthday came up I made a huge sheet cake with honey instead of sugar and frosted it with whipped cream sweetened with honey also - I had to hide the fact that I had done so since this was just after ayurveda had been instituted and in the bakery we could not make any kind of fermented products (no sourdough bread) and no using honey as a sweetener since heating honey makes it tamasic. No one gave a flip except for this one guy named Vince who was a real hard core Movement fanatic who took as gospel ANYTHING that come down from any supervisor or was reputed to be official Movement policy. We had a lot of fun with him because he was also fanatical in enforcing the rule that only authorized kitchen personnel were to be in the kitchen EVER. He was like a police attack dog when he saw a stranger in the kitchen area looking for food - he would go over and raise hell with them and try to throw them out - he even did it to some of the security guys who would come in late for dinner. It used to drive the kitchen director crazy because sometimes there would be visiting TM dignitaries who might have come on campus after regular meal hours and were trying to get something to eat - Vince would get up in their face and tell them how their violation of official MIU policy was denigrating the University's efforts to bring enlightenment to the world - it was priceless to see the looks on their faces when he would spout off stuff like that. They had no idea how to respond except to say I am just trying to get something to eat. Avraham and Peter Ligotti used to see people they didn't recognize in the kitchen and sick Vince on them just to have some entertainment. The kitchen director couldn't tell Vince not to enforce the policy because sometimes students tried to come in and swipe hunks of cheese to take to their rooms and that sort of thing, but he had to run interference between TM big wigs and Vince. Anyway, Vince was adamantly against using honey in baking after the ayurvedic pronouncements had come out so I lied and told everyone that Avraham's cake was a regular cake with sugar, whispering to Avi that it was actually made with dark honey that my German buddy Danny had bought from an Amish farmer and had given to me. The cake was a three layer sheet cake about maybe one and a half to two feet tall covered in honey sweetened whipped cream with the design of the Israeli flag on top made with fresh blueberries. The cake attracted a lot of attention including from a number and I mean probably 15 or 20 people who asked for a piece (there was plenty) most of them were governors who I knew were totally on board with all ayurvedic stuff including the prohibition against baking with honey. The next day Avraham and I both thought it was funny as hell because about 7 or 8 of those ayurvedically correct governors came to us and complimented my cake saying it was literally the most delicious they had ever eaten and they felt the good effect as they slept and the next day in program. Nobody else in the kitchen knew what the two of us were laughing so much about. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? Â I was at MIU from 1981 to 1986 and also taught as adjunct faculty for some years after that, too. I understand your point of view as well. The movement was always slippery with money. Some years ago, I was in a position to donate some money to the university, so I found out from my former department what specific item they needed, bought it myself, transported it to the place where it was to be used, and installed it myself. That way, I knew that the money would be used for the intended purpose. I think that if one is involved in a spiritual organization like the TMO, you need a strong dose of rationality and the ability to guard your own personal integrity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: I understand - I had a friend who feels the same way - we were on MIU staff
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
Nah, when I finally got the clarity to get out, I also got the clarity to know there was nothing I could do to improve the situation by expressing my angst. It might have had a cathartic value, but now I'll never know. I do get off with my ranting here, so there's that profit, eh? Hee hee. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Edg-y, I do like your writing and your personality on here in general. It occurs to me to ask if you have communicated this type of dissatisfaction to the TMO? It feels good to do stuff like that. Express the personal in opposition to the culture, once in awhile, through accepted means. I have done it a fair amount from a young age, and it has helped keep me in balance, and maintain my personal power and integrity in the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the other via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- both assholesmean assholeshaughty, rude motherfucking assholes. Did I make myself clear? I don't know about the others. Again I ask, who in the hell concludes with certainty that they are a world-class spiritual leader when all they really have is a million bucks? An idiot, right? Anyone who thinks they are knower of reality, here in FFL, step up and tell me why I'm wrong about these Rajas because you're so tuned into goodness that you know these guys are CORE and jiggy with God. I'll wait. And I don't give shit one if you know these guys are kind and nice and responsible and funny and smart and productive -- I can make a list of such people who are on death row. These Rajas either know the money story and the Girish story or THEY DON'T. If they do, fuck 'em, if they don't, they're too fucking clueless to even be a silly Raja. When I was TM teacher only six months into it, I had folks asking me if I was enlightened. Why? Because I was kind and spouted ancient knowledge. BAH! Anyone can be fooled by anyone into thinking someone is special. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: And then there's the personalities of the Rajas -- avatars of criminality right there -- I mean, who else but a bastard would say to their self: Hey, I think I'll just buy a hunk of the world and rule it as an overlord! Speaking of certainty, ever actually spoken with a RAJA, face to face, over time? ...didn't think so...The one I have known for nearly twenty years is a very humble person, who has not tried to denigrate, manipulate or BS me, ever. Always honest and open - don't always agree with each other's ideas, though there is always mutual respect, and consideration. We haven't seen each other for a few years, but did have an interesting email exchange a couple months ago about immortality. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Certainty is the drug addiction of the ego. But but but, though I personally cannot bear witness to any big crimes of the TMO, I can bear witness to having been told many many many stories about the movement's chicanery -- told by those who were in a position to know. Too many stories --at least some of them are/were true. Of course, let's point at the elephant under the rug: almost all the money the movement has collected has been disappeared into India -- Girish et alia. Talk about your crimes! Then there's the thousands of ATR credits that were simply taken away with ZERO fucks given by the movement leaders. How about the movement saying, Oh by the way, your center, the one that all your meditators locally raised the money to buy? SELL IT AND SEND THE MONEY TO US. And then there's the personalities of the Rajas -- avatars of criminality right there -- I mean, who else but a bastard would say to their self: Hey, I think I'll just buy a hunk of the world and rule it as an overlord! Then there's the Course Office people -- the meanest fucks I ever met, and they could do crime all day and night for their guru. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I know very little, but I am certain that many crimes have been committed by the TMO. LOL!! If you know very little, how can you be certain of anything? It's a complete spectrum of silly to evil. On one end is: On my teacher training, some guy had a car accident and they sneaked him out of Spain before the cops could get him. There were many tales of cash being
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
Sorry, I don't remember him - I was on a support crew from the CAE project near Kansas City, so didn't get to know many of the guys doing the design. Probably my biggest regret from those days was while digging the foundation for the CAE near KC, I found a beautiful pre-Colombian axe head (verified by an archeologist on staff). A real treasure. Unfortunately, had no sense back then and gave it away after leaving. Oh well... BTW, last time I google mapped the KC CAE, it is being torn down for scrap. Fun project while it lasted. Unfortunately, didn't survive the sthapatya veda craze, as it had a, gulp, south facing entrance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: When you worked on the first Dome did you meet a guy by the name of Richard Kilmer - big fella with a big booming voice - he was an architect? From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks  Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on the walls though.:-) Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't lose money on many courses. So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating myself into a normal, successful worldly life. If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and trot out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, but when they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb: :-) The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history. this makes you sound kinda dumb...just sayin'... Not dumb, dear Doctor. Here is the key thing. Many people who appear the most bitter are those who spent the most time, invested much of themselves, in the Movement whether it was in in the form of years, sweat, dedication or belief. This was a cost on some level. When someone has put so much of themselves into something and found it, in the end, wanting it seems to me natural that there is disappointment, bitterness, a foundation for defining/revealing, what went wrong. It is never a valid excuse that something isn't wrong because it happens all the time. Frequency of transgression does not override the seriousness of it. snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
or you could stop reading the post you think are a waste of time From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks Kind of...after thinking about it, I did a lot of the same stuff (no skills, savings, or education, at age 30 - hadn't even ever had a checking account!), due to my allegiance to the TMO for about ten years. Once I left, I had to work-my-ass-off, full-time job and school while starting a family - That went on for awhile. So if someone feels like they pissed away a decade or two, I am a member of that club. I am also a big proponent of sharing personal impressions - However, when does it stop? I have known people in my life who as a result of a significant trauma, which the TMO experiences appear to be for some, have made that their central and defining moment, like wearing a millstone of failure around their necks constantly. It seems like such a waste of time. See a therapist, talk to sympathetic friends, write a letter, make a phone call - something to get out of the cycle, as you suggested. The larger point --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: I agree. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on the walls though.:-) Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't lose money on many courses. So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating myself into a normal, successful worldly life. I did the same as you. But, I think working for the TMO for 3 years is a lot less time than many people invested. Also, for many back in the 1970's, they were of an age when people go to grad school, or get started in a career, begin to set up an adult life. I know of a few people who felt very angry in retrospect, that they had spent their 20's and early 30's working for the TMO, only to find that they were without credentials or any savings by the time they decided Enuf. Despite this, many got on with their lives and made great successes of things, even if later in life. Some did not and would have benefitted from a more traditional life plan. I did not see tons of young Indians spending their 20's and 30's working for little compensation for the TMO. That would not have been ok with Indian parents, tradition or values. I think one of the problems was that the Westerners tried to have a foot in each camp: householder and devotee, and they often ended up without funds or experience to manage much in the real world as well as lost faith in the guru. I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get why some might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might have left a mark - that they never caught up. Especially if they are disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts. If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and trot out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, but when they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
They aren't a waste of time for me, if I read them, but I wonder about their diminishing utility for those who post them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: or you could stop reading the post you think are a waste of time From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks  Kind of...after thinking about it, I did a lot of the same stuff (no skills, savings, or education, at age 30 - hadn't even ever had a checking account!), due to my allegiance to the TMO for about ten years. Once I left, I had to work-my-ass-off, full-time job and school while starting a family - That went on for awhile. So if someone feels like they pissed away a decade or two, I am a member of that club. I am also a big proponent of sharing personal impressions - However, when does it stop? I have known people in my life who as a result of a significant trauma, which the TMO experiences appear to be for some, have made that their central and defining moment, like wearing a millstone of failure around their necks constantly. It seems like such a waste of time. See a therapist, talk to sympathetic friends, write a letter, make a phone call - something to get out of the cycle, as you suggested. The larger point --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I agree. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on the walls though.:-) Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't lose money on many courses. So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating myself into a normal, successful worldly life. I did the same as you. But, I think working for the TMO for 3 years is a lot less time than many people invested. Also, for many back in the 1970's, they were of an age when people go to grad school, or get started in a career, begin to set up an adult life. I know of a few people who felt very angry in retrospect, that they had spent their 20's and early 30's working for the TMO, only to find that they were without credentials or any savings by the time they decided Enuf. Despite this, many got on with their lives and made great successes of things, even if later in life. Some did not and would have benefitted from a more traditional life plan. I did not see tons of young Indians spending their 20's and 30's working for little compensation for the TMO. That would not have been ok with Indian parents, tradition or values. I think one of the problems was that the Westerners tried to have a foot in each camp: householder and devotee, and they often ended up without funds or experience to manage much in the real world as well as lost faith in the guru. I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get why some might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might have left a mark - that they never caught up. Especially if they are disappointed about the results of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
Yep, feels good to put it on full auto sometimes, and let 'er rip!:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: Nah, when I finally got the clarity to get out, I also got the clarity to know there was nothing I could do to improve the situation by expressing my angst. It might have had a cathartic value, but now I'll never know. I do get off with my ranting here, so there's that profit, eh? Hee hee. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Edg-y, I do like your writing and your personality on here in general. It occurs to me to ask if you have communicated this type of dissatisfaction to the TMO? It feels good to do stuff like that. Express the personal in opposition to the culture, once in awhile, through accepted means. I have done it a fair amount from a young age, and it has helped keep me in balance, and maintain my personal power and integrity in the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the other via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- both assholesmean assholeshaughty, rude motherfucking assholes. Did I make myself clear? I don't know about the others. Again I ask, who in the hell concludes with certainty that they are a world-class spiritual leader when all they really have is a million bucks? An idiot, right? Anyone who thinks they are knower of reality, here in FFL, step up and tell me why I'm wrong about these Rajas because you're so tuned into goodness that you know these guys are CORE and jiggy with God. I'll wait. And I don't give shit one if you know these guys are kind and nice and responsible and funny and smart and productive -- I can make a list of such people who are on death row. These Rajas either know the money story and the Girish story or THEY DON'T. If they do, fuck 'em, if they don't, they're too fucking clueless to even be a silly Raja. When I was TM teacher only six months into it, I had folks asking me if I was enlightened. Why? Because I was kind and spouted ancient knowledge. BAH! Anyone can be fooled by anyone into thinking someone is special. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: And then there's the personalities of the Rajas -- avatars of criminality right there -- I mean, who else but a bastard would say to their self: Hey, I think I'll just buy a hunk of the world and rule it as an overlord! Speaking of certainty, ever actually spoken with a RAJA, face to face, over time? ...didn't think so...The one I have known for nearly twenty years is a very humble person, who has not tried to denigrate, manipulate or BS me, ever. Always honest and open - don't always agree with each other's ideas, though there is always mutual respect, and consideration. We haven't seen each other for a few years, but did have an interesting email exchange a couple months ago about immortality. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Certainty is the drug addiction of the ego. But but but, though I personally cannot bear witness to any big crimes of the TMO, I can bear witness to having been told many many many stories about the movement's chicanery -- told by those who were in a position to know. Too many stories --at least some of them are/were true. Of course, let's point at the elephant under the rug: almost all the money the movement has collected has been disappeared into India -- Girish et alia. Talk about your crimes! Then there's the thousands of ATR credits that were simply taken away with ZERO fucks given by the movement leaders. How about the movement saying, Oh by the way, your center, the one that all your meditators locally raised the money to buy? SELL IT AND SEND THE MONEY TO US. And then there's the personalities of the Rajas -- avatars of criminality right there -- I mean, who else but a bastard would say to their self: Hey, I think I'll just buy a hunk of the world and rule it as an overlord! Then there's the Course Office people -- the meanest fucks I ever met, and they could do crime all day and night for their guru. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I know very little, but I am certain that many crimes have been committed by the TMO. LOL!! If you know very little, how can you be certain of anything?
[FairfieldLife] Absolutely fascinating article about the best pickpocket in the world
Doug Henning, back when my roommate made costumes for him and I got to hang with him at the Magic Castle in L.A. a bit, introduced me to a couple of the true legends of magic. They were all real characters -- true originals. Doug would have *loved* this guy. Pickpocketing as spiritual teaching: A lot of magic is designed to appeal to people visually, but what I'm trying to affect is their minds, their moods, their perceptions. My goal isn't to hurt them or to bewilder them with a puzzle but to challenge their maps of reality. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/01/07/130107fa_fact_green?currentPage=allsrc=longreads
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
20 years ago me and my MA in SCI classmates and Ken and Wendy Cavanaugh stayed at the Kansas City CAE. Wendy took us to the wonderful art museum in KC and Ken took his students to some monetary place. The CAE was on a beautiful piece of land and we decorated a Christmas tree and saw a herd of deer running across the front lawn. There was snow on the ground. It was quite wonderful (-: From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 11:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks Sorry, I don't remember him - I was on a support crew from the CAE project near Kansas City, so didn't get to know many of the guys doing the design. Probably my biggest regret from those days was while digging the foundation for the CAE near KC, I found a beautiful pre-Colombian axe head (verified by an archeologist on staff). A real treasure. Unfortunately, had no sense back then and gave it away after leaving. Oh well... BTW, last time I google mapped the KC CAE, it is being torn down for scrap. Fun project while it lasted. Unfortunately, didn't survive the sthapatya veda craze, as it had a, gulp, south facing entrance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: When you worked on the first Dome did you meet a guy by the name of Richard Kilmer - big fella with a big booming voice - he was an architect? From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks  Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on the walls though.:-) Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't lose money on many courses. So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating myself into a normal, successful worldly life. If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and trot out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, but when they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb: :-) The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history. this makes you sound kinda dumb...just sayin'... Not dumb, dear Doctor. Here is the key thing. Many people who appear the most bitter are those who spent the most time, invested much of themselves, in the Movement whether it was in in the form of years, sweat, dedication or belief. This was a cost on some level. When someone has put so much of themselves into something and found it, in the end, wanting it seems to me natural that there is disappointment, bitterness, a foundation for defining/revealing, what went wrong. It is never a valid excuse that something isn't wrong because it happens all the time. Frequency of transgression does not override the seriousness of it. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
So what is the scoop with the Rajas? Only rich men? No Ranis? Are millionaire women's money not good enough or are they too smart to wear those cheesy costumes and give their money away to the TMO? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a nothing technique that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice to their wives. It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten better as a human in that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so who knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do with their money and how they treat their minions. And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment in gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for more cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at least ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their gold turns the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to approach the rich with anything but hey, try the bean casserole. They smell your beggary from 100 feet away. So, on that level, I pity them, because they are always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only people like them to hob nob with. Vicious cycle that. Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be used to good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is just not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens physiological excitation, but I could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that. I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored? Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right? Ask L.B., right? The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual clarity -- tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any discussion of the fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's money/death, and on and on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't respect us or grant us any right to know about most of the movement's machinations. Here's one symbolic moment for me: on teacher training, Maharishi had a meeting that was sort of thrown together quickly in a very small venue and it turned out that people could sit right next to Maharishi, maybe only a 100 people in the room. This rich guy planks his ass down right next to Maharishi, and picks up Maharishi's hand and holds it! -- instead of listening he interrupted Maharishi several times to add his opinion to the words of Maharishi. Maharishi didn't even twitch, and none of his body guards did either -- they knew the master was working the guy up to get a big gift to the movement, ya see? Up until the time, the only person I knew who'd ever touched Maharishi was Tat Walla Baba. If I had planked my ass down before that rich guy, I would have been sent home FOR FUCKING EVER for not knowing my place. And, yes, after that instance, I gave two more decades to the movement -- which means I was not only an asshole, but a mindful
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
I was not going to be satisfied in this life if I did not find TM or something else just like it, to fulfill the spiritual hunger I felt from a young age. So I am *really* glad someone, anyone, made the technique available. That also goes for the Divine Gifts of the microwave oven, plumbed hot water, the 'net, the miracle of champagne, and CDs, to name a few!:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: LOL - well said - reminds me of something I heard: If you doen't want to see it through, don't even begin the spiritual path.:-) Don't know who you replied to here Dr., but sometimes I wonder why the Masters instructed Maharishi to throw his nets so wide. He commented on the choise he had once saying he had two choices; staying in the Himalayas selecting a handfull of serious students or offering the gift of Guru Dev to the whole world. He certainly made an interesting descision. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: ¨ I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get why some might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might have left a mark - that they never caught up. Especially if they are disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts. Good story. Regarding those disaappointed souls, in my experience with being in these settings for 40 years, they have all one thing in common; they never liked sadhana in the first place. Too restless to really LIKE or even be able to sit. And now hey are bitter ? For what, because their restless nature has been cruel to them ? In my experiene, the vast majority of these are simply spiritually lazy. Then ofcourse they need someone ELSE to blame.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: Steve, I wasn't actually responding to the statement Share made.  Turq pointed out that she could have looked up the word monotheism, to understand where/when the concept of one God arrived (i.e. the Jews weren't the first group), Why? Is this some sort of academic setting? We're making causal conversation here. If someone as more accurate information than someone else, why not share it? Share makes a technical error that would have had no material difference in the discussion, and suddenly she's a twif, a pudding brain, simple minded. but given that she didn't use that word herself, she wouldn't have looked it up.  I was replying to feste's use of the term piling on, as I find it a really stooopid term for what I consider a positive aspect of this forum.  Read what I wrote again, I wasn't ridiculing, I was voicing an opinion.  So, let me get this straight. Referring to someone as a twif, a pudding brain or simple minded is just positive feedback, and not piling on? Okay, I accept that this is your opinion. No problem there. What is it about Share, or your own character, that makes you feel it is necessary to be so defensive on her behalf, Steve? Is it because you think she is not capable of speaking for herself? Is it because you feel she is treated worse than others on this forum? Is it because you have a soft spot for her and just can't stand seeing anyone question or evaluate what she writes? Do you lack objectivity? From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death!  Emily, I am not exactly sure what you are saying: if you are showing some undestanding about this statement Share made, or indicating she deserved the harsh responses she received? Here's the statement: Hi Mike, why do you think that [hatred of Jews] happened? I'm wondering if they were the first group to espouse the idea of one God rather than many gods. Could that have been the reason? I believe Barry has a deeper understanding than most of religions, their origins etc. Okay, great. Why not enlighten us, if there is some misconception? I mean if you ask 99% of people, Who discovered America, the answer would be Christopher Columbus. I mean I'm not even sure who discoverd America. But from what I've gathered in the last couple years, it wasn't CC. If you ask 99% of people, who came up with the idea of one God, the answer is going to be the Jews. Again, I'm not sure who came up with idea of One God. So, what's the value in ridiculing someone who asks a question, or makes a statement along these lines? Why not just provide a correction? Anyway, going to bed now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: You know, I ask a lot of stupid questions and throw out a lot of unenlightened bullshit. àI do this when my mind isn't working, I do it to get feedback, I do it to help myself think differently or more expansively about an issue. àI don't think piling on is the right phrase at all. àWhen people respond to a question or a POV thrown up here, they give all of us the opportunity to gain clarity, think more deeply about our belief system, question our assumptions, look at our logical or illogical train of thought, have a good laugh at ourselves and others', etc. àI see it as one of the primary gifts of FFL - that people are willing to communicate what they are really thinking. àIt was a huge shock to me to see this here when I arrived. àIt isn't how I experienced my life for many years - so many people are fear-based and too scared to say what their real reality is - they don't even know it themselves, they've protected themselves for so long and gotten stuck in righteousness and sheep mentality and blame and many other defense tactics. àThey have no idea how to take responsibility for themselves, nor do they want to. àFrom: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death! àAbsolutely right. It's just pile on to Share time, that's all. And Share handles it all with grace and humor. Well done, Share. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: All this over one simple statement below, and suddenly one is simple minded, a twif a pudding brain!? Or I guess the come back is, no this is just one example of this type of thinking I don't see any of it. I see someone who has traversed through the issues and come to a style of communication that is for the most part non confrontational.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
The naked truth is Mother Divine rules the universe already, so we guys get to play dress up, to serve Her. No shit, and any guy that doesn't get that is a moron. PS there's a lot of morons.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: So what is the scoop with the Rajas? Only rich men? No Ranis? Are millionaire women's money not good enough or are they too smart to wear those cheesy costumes and give their money away to the TMO? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a nothing technique that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice to their wives. It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten better as a human in that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so who knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do with their money and how they treat their minions. And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment in gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for more cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at least ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their gold turns the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to approach the rich with anything but hey, try the bean casserole. They smell your beggary from 100 feet away. So, on that level, I pity them, because they are always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only people like them to hob nob with. Vicious cycle that. Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be used to good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is just not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens physiological excitation, but I could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that. I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored? Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right? Ask L.B., right? The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual clarity -- tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any discussion of the fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's money/death, and on and on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't respect us or grant us any right to know about most of the movement's machinations. Here's one symbolic moment for me: on teacher training, Maharishi had a meeting that was sort of thrown together quickly in a very small venue and it turned out that people could sit right next to Maharishi, maybe only a 100 people in the room. This rich guy planks his ass down right next to Maharishi, and picks up Maharishi's hand and holds it! -- instead of listening he interrupted Maharishi several times to add his opinion to the words of Maharishi. Maharishi didn't even twitch, and none of his body guards did either -- they knew the master was working the guy up to get a big gift to the movement, ya see? Up
[FairfieldLife] Perfect Sense
Perfect Sense is an apocalyptic love story. It is the story of two people who fall in love as an epidemic spreads the planet robbing people of their sensory perceptions. Ewan McGregor plays a chef in a restaurant next door to the apartment of a epidemiologist, played by Eva Green, who works for an organization trying to solve what is happening with the epidemic. The first sense to go is that of smell. This is a smart apocalyptic film. People don't turn into zombies but they do go berserk a bit whenever they lose another sense. More nudity than blood but not enough to rate it Not for Buck. It's not on Netflix WI but available on DVD from Netflix. I watched it on Showtime OnDemand because Netflix was having another re-buffering fit because apparently a lot of people were staying home last night and watching Netflix and their servers are just not ready for that kind of demand. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1439572/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A new humanity will be born
Why is it that any new age, new paradigm is ushered in on holier-than-thou attitudes and platitudes? Can you not be joyful for the emergence of what you believe will be some inevitable new golden age as described by Maharishi? Why does it always have to include this damnation of others, this moral judgement about the lost souls who will get their comeuppance? Where is your empathy, your understanding, your acceptance, your humanity? This attitude you convey, Nabby, is no better than any other rabid, fanatical crazy group that are a dime a dozen out there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Little by little bitter, unfulfilled, lazy souls will be replaced as this prediction comes through: A new humanity will be born, fuller in conception and richer in experience and accomplishments in all fields. Joy of life will belong to every man, love will dominate human society, truth and virtue will reign in the world, peace on earth will be permanent, and all will live in fulfillment. --Maharishi 1963
[FairfieldLife] Re: Perfect Sense
I saw this some time ago (think Johnny Depp saying, Pirate!), and thought I'd mentioned it here, but a quick search seems to indicate that maybe I didn't. I just loved this movie, and not *only* because it stars one of the most beautiful women in the world, Eva Green. The whole metaphor is lovely, especially what happens as people learn to cope with the loss of a sense that they felt kinda defined life and what it is to live it. The sense disappears, but life does not, and one learns to cope, and continue on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Perfect Sense is an apocalyptic love story. It is the story of two people who fall in love as an epidemic spreads the planet robbing people of their sensory perceptions. Ewan McGregor plays a chef in a restaurant next door to the apartment of a epidemiologist, played by Eva Green, who works for an organization trying to solve what is happening with the epidemic. The first sense to go is that of smell. This is a smart apocalyptic film. People don't turn into zombies but they do go berserk a bit whenever they lose another sense. More nudity than blood but not enough to rate it Not for Buck. It's not on Netflix WI but available on DVD from Netflix. I watched it on Showtime OnDemand because Netflix was having another re-buffering fit because apparently a lot of people were staying home last night and watching Netflix and their servers are just not ready for that kind of demand. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1439572/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: The naked truth is Mother Divine rules the universe already, so we guys get to play dress up, to serve Her. No shit, and any guy that doesn't get that is a moron. PS there's a lot of morons.:-) Love ya Doc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: So what is the scoop with the Rajas? Only rich men? No Ranis? Are millionaire women's money not good enough or are they too smart to wear those cheesy costumes and give their money away to the TMO? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a nothing technique that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice to their wives. It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten better as a human in that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so who knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do with their money and how they treat their minions. And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment in gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for more cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at least ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their gold turns the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to approach the rich with anything but hey, try the bean casserole. They smell your beggary from 100 feet away. So, on that level, I pity them, because they are always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only people like them to hob nob with. Vicious cycle that. Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be used to good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is just not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens physiological excitation, but I could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that. I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored? Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right? Ask L.B., right? The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual clarity -- tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any discussion of the fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's money/death, and on and on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't respect us or grant us any right to know about most of the movement's machinations. Here's one symbolic moment for me: on teacher training, Maharishi had a meeting that was sort of thrown together quickly in a very small venue and it turned out that people could sit right next to Maharishi, maybe only a 100 people in the room. This rich guy planks his ass down right next to Maharishi, and picks up Maharishi's hand and holds it! -- instead of listening he interrupted Maharishi several times to add his opinion to the words
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread to John
I know Jim but why don't you explain to us give what has happened to the economy and what the banks have done how this prediction is going to play out. How is the US going to pull a rabbit out of a hat? Start WWIII? I've found just watching the patterns unfold (logical progressions) that are there for anyone who has open eyes more accurate than astrological charts. The latter tells you only what propensity there is for some events to happen. Astrology developed from civilizations using the position of the sun and moon to measure time and eventually they started using the planets as time keepers for recurring cycles in nature. Only the sun and moon have any effect on the planet and it people not any distant planet. But astrology is far more accurate than some WAG (Wild Ass Guess). On 12/30/2012 06:47 PM, John wrote: Bhairitu, Jim Kelleher, a well-known American jyotishi, researched this subject about the time in which the Declaration of Independence was signed on July 4, 1776 He found that the last delegate signed the document at about 6:30 PM in Philadelphia. Using this birth data, the US ascendant is Saggitarius. Personally, I find the chart to be consistent with the way the federal government is being operated these days and in the past. Specifcally, the US chart shows the practice of continual revolution in governance, which is seen today as elections of the president and the members of Congress. You should analyze the chart yourself and you'll find this to be true. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: You DO know that the US horoscope is the most hotly contested horoscope there is? Some astrologers took dates around July 4th while others point out that we didn't actually become a country until the Articles of Confederation were ratified. Much easier for India where astrologers were involved with the time that the country would be given over from the British. On 12/30/2012 02:37 PM, Share Long wrote: Plus Mars is exalted in the second house. Both malefics exalted has to be a good thing. Unless...unless Western astrology is more accurate and Card's Pluto square Uranus does us in. Anyway, maybe it explains why FFL is so quiet these days (-: John do you consider the outer planets at all? I know some jyotishis who do. From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 12/30/2012 06:23 AM, Duveyoung wrote: The cosmos is within us. We're made of star stuff. We are a way for the cosmos to know itself. -- Carl Sagan To which I seriously respond: Nope. It is from the Self that all this has come into being. The universe is perhaps describable as a mirror of its radiance, but the Self knows the Self and no mirror is needed. Now, I'll try to defend this statement. See modern science for details. Singularities, for instance. We know not the universe -- except for: Our faint awareness of the ridiculously tiny titch of it inside our ittty bitty brains. A billion, nay, billions and billions of years hence, even then, Carl would agree, so much would remain undiscovered by the best minds using the best instrumentalities -- the universe being so huge. When it comes to having ultimate knowledge, only the Self can be considered the final arbiter of truth, since it was from Self that all else arose. I sure didn't really actually know this, until way way way late in life. Mostly I said such things as a form of wishful thinking. Pssst: You want to know, right? I should just tell you now, right? You don't want to have DECADES of seeking before you too find out the hard way, right? Question: Are you sentient and reading these words right now? That is, is that which has always been the witness to your thoughts, here right now? Are you, here? Are you YOU? To which you say, Of course, I'm here. If anyone would know if I'm here or not, it certainly would be me. I absolutely have forever and always been THE ONLY knower of my thoughts, THE ONLY feeler of my feelings, THE ONLY one who can rifle through my memory banks, THE ONLY livingness of this body/mind system. Therefore: Let no one seek the Self -- for all know the Self. All are the Self. And all that came from the Self can be only be SELF! Why? Because nary a person in all of history can describe the Self in any way that anyone else would not also recognize it to be a description of their Self also. It is the SAME SELF. Just as two pots under water can be said to be filled by the same ocean. Glasses on the nose being sought? Riding a hippopotamus looking for a hippopotamus? For all of anyone's life, ANYONE'S, there is only one Self attending that history of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Perfect Sense
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I saw this some time ago (think Johnny Depp saying, Pirate!), and thought I'd mentioned it here, but a quick search seems to indicate that maybe I didn't. Ah, I did. I was searching for the title of the movie in the text of the post, and it was in the Subject line. Worth repeating, because as Bhairitu says, this is a pretty good movie: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299267 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299278 I just loved this movie, and not *only* because it stars one of the most beautiful women in the world, Eva Green. The whole metaphor is lovely, especially what happens as people learn to cope with the loss of a sense that they felt kinda defined life and what it is to live it. The sense disappears, but life does not, and one learns to cope, and continue on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Perfect Sense is an apocalyptic love story. It is the story of two people who fall in love as an epidemic spreads the planet robbing people of their sensory perceptions. Ewan McGregor plays a chef in a restaurant next door to the apartment of a epidemiologist, played by Eva Green, who works for an organization trying to solve what is happening with the epidemic. The first sense to go is that of smell. This is a smart apocalyptic film. People don't turn into zombies but they do go berserk a bit whenever they lose another sense. More nudity than blood but not enough to rate it Not for Buck. It's not on Netflix WI but available on DVD from Netflix. I watched it on Showtime OnDemand because Netflix was having another re-buffering fit because apparently a lot of people were staying home last night and watching Netflix and their servers are just not ready for that kind of demand. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1439572/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread to John
Share, Yes, the people will be paying at a higher rate if the Obama plan is not passed. Only the rich people will pay the higher rates if Congress passes the Obama plan. At any rate, may you have a fabulous New Year as well! JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Maybe people paying their income taxes? Anyway, thanks for this and for info about US chart. Happy 2013! From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:29 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread to John  Share, I prefer to use the ancient method of analysing chart, which does not consider the planets beyond Saturn. Jyotish is complicated enough to account for the effects of the other planets. You've got a good point about Mars being exalted in Capricorn at this time. This means money will pour in to the federal government coffers irrespective of what Congress decides. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Plus Mars is exalted in the second house.àBoth malefics exalted has to be a good thing.àUnless...unless Western astrology is more accurate and Card's Pluto square Uranus does us in. Anyway, maybe it explains why FFL is so quiet these days (-: John do you consider the outer planets at all?àI know some jyotishis who do.àFrom: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 12/30/2012 06:23 AM, Duveyoung wrote: The cosmos is within us. We're made of star stuff. We are a way for the cosmos to know itself. -- Carl Sagan To which I seriously respond: Nope. It is from the Self that all this has come into being. The universe is perhaps describable as a mirror of its radiance, but the Self knows the Self and no mirror is needed. Now, I'll try to defend this statement. See modern science for details. Singularities, for instance. We know not the universe -- except for: Our faint awareness of the ridiculously tiny titch of it inside our ittty bitty brains. A billion, nay, billions and billions of years hence, even then, Carl would agree, so much would remain undiscovered by the best minds using the best instrumentalities -- the universe being so huge. When it comes to having ultimate knowledge, only the Self can be considered the final arbiter of truth, since it was from Self that all else arose. I sure didn't really actually know this, until way way way late in life. Mostly I said such things as a form of wishful thinking. Pssst: You want to know, right? I should just tell you now, right? You don't want to have DECADES of seeking before you too find out the hard way, right? Question: Are you sentient and reading these words right now? That is, is that which has always been the witness to your thoughts, here right now? Are you, here? Are you YOU? To which you say, Of course, I'm here. If anyone would know if I'm here or not, it certainly would be me. I absolutely have forever and always been THE ONLY knower of my thoughts, THE ONLY feeler of my feelings, THE ONLY one who can rifle through my memory banks, THE ONLY livingness of this body/mind system. Therefore: Let no one seek the Self -- for all know the Self. All are the Self. And all that came from the Self can be only be SELF! Why? Because nary a person in all of history can describe the Self in any way that anyone else would not also recognize it to be a description of their Self also. It is the SAME SELF. Just as two pots under water can be said to be filled by the same ocean. Glasses on the nose being sought? Riding a hippopotamus looking for a hippopotamus? For all of anyone's life, ANYONE'S, there is only one Self attending that history of localized sentience. It has never been lost, right? It's here right now, right? If you are not enlightened, NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN. You are complete now by your own admission. You do not say that you are half a being, half a soul, half a mind. You say you are here and have always been the one who is here. And you are CERTAIN that you will always be the you of the system you're witnessing.no other you is possible. Limbs can be lopped, senses muted, consciousness attenuated -- but the Self is unaffected. One says, I am sick. But, but, but what EVERYONE means is, I am FULLY HERE completely intimate with the operations of this
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
Ah yes, the KC Art Museum! One of the best in the country that I have seen! A magical place! There was a lot of wildlife and serenity at that CAE. You are the first person I have heard of who stayed there once it was completed! - I left when the building was 90% complete. If you passed a strawberry and apple juice stand coming into the property, on the left, that was my original living quarters, with six or seven other staffers. It was a cinder block garage that we put a 55 gallon drum in the center of. We also had a cold water shower. In the winter, we would throw coal into the drum until it glowed red hot, to try to keep the garage and ourselves, warm. Slept fully clothed, with down jacket and boots, inside a down sleeping bag, and it was *still* cold. During the day we worked in below freezing temperatures on the building construction site. God help you if you tore a hole in your boot, and got your foot wet. Ate a lot of sub-par vegetarian grub. It was like living in Siberia. But I was young and strong, and there was great camaraderie amongst us serfs, so it was always more adventure, than hardship. Later as the building completed, we got to move into rooms there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: 20 years ago me and my MA in SCI classmates and Ken and Wendy Cavanaugh stayed at the Kansas City CAE. Wendy took us to the wonderful art museum in KC and Ken took his students to some monetary place. The CAE was on a beautiful piece of land and we decorated a Christmas tree and saw a herd of deer running across the front lawn. There was snow on the ground. It was quite wonderful (-: snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Perfect Sense
I stumbled upon it because of Netflix's buffering problems. I also had the problem Saturday night so spent some money and watched Bourne Legacy on Amazon. I chose Amazon over Vudu not because Vudu is owned by Walmart but because they use Dolby Digital Plus on some of their HD offerings and my receiver is too old to know what the hell DD+ is and decodes it as ProLogic which is underwhelming. Amazon only does Dolby Digital 5.1. Many of the films listed on Showtime, HBO and the free movies section of Comcast I've seen. This was one I hadn't. It followed trying to watch Wreckage for the second time on Showtime. I stopped a couple nights back because Wreckage had all the signs of being a real loser because of 5 minutes of opening credits and a weak opening. There was some argument about the film on a forum so I checked the reviews and many people said it picks up when Breaking Bad actor Aaron Paul is introduced and indeed it does. The film is too brutal for tender FFL'ers though so I'll rate it Not for Buck. I don't know how much longer I'm going to make out checks to Comcast welfare. They lobbied and got the right from the FCC to encrypt local broadcast stations. When that happens there is no real reason to keep them. I will take up U-Verse on their promo offer. When that runs out I'll switch to a satellite provider. Broadcast TV is rather droll as it is obvious that without upsetting mythical prudish midwesterners, who apparently stupidly fall for the advertising pitches, shows get toned down too much. I won't risk the eyepatch route because the US gestapo is always looking for someone to hang for that. Regarding fireworks I'll note they aren't happening this year for the downtown. I think they even canceled them last year as they were too expensive and in recent years even canceled due to rain. It is going to be a clear cold evening and cops busy filling jails with people who have alcohol on their breathe though maybe not even impaired enough to drive carelessly. I'll find another video to watch. After all: It's the most boring time of the year. When TV is boring, you feel just like snoring, as repeats make your eyes tear. It's the most boring time of the year! Happy New Year! :-D On 12/31/2012 09:48 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I saw this some time ago (think Johnny Depp saying, Pirate!), and thought I'd mentioned it here, but a quick search seems to indicate that maybe I didn't. Ah, I did. I was searching for the title of the movie in the text of the post, and it was in the Subject line. Worth repeating, because as Bhairitu says, this is a pretty good movie: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299267 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299278 I just loved this movie, and not *only* because it stars one of the most beautiful women in the world, Eva Green. The whole metaphor is lovely, especially what happens as people learn to cope with the loss of a sense that they felt kinda defined life and what it is to live it. The sense disappears, but life does not, and one learns to cope, and continue on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Perfect Sense is an apocalyptic love story. It is the story of two people who fall in love as an epidemic spreads the planet robbing people of their sensory perceptions. Ewan McGregor plays a chef in a restaurant next door to the apartment of a epidemiologist, played by Eva Green, who works for an organization trying to solve what is happening with the epidemic. The first sense to go is that of smell. This is a smart apocalyptic film. People don't turn into zombies but they do go berserk a bit whenever they lose another sense. More nudity than blood but not enough to rate it Not for Buck. It's not on Netflix WI but available on DVD from Netflix. I watched it on Showtime OnDemand because Netflix was having another re-buffering fit because apparently a lot of people were staying home last night and watching Netflix and their servers are just not ready for that kind of demand. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1439572/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
Just curious - I met him long after in Atlanta - he was a world class architect - I saw some of the homes he designed in Atlanta - made your jaw drop when you say them - some people used to say his homes had a angelic presence about them. Richard claimed to have been the one responsible for getting the wooden hand rail in the men's dome - he said he wanted it there for the senior citizens ability to walk up the stairs - Bevan and some others overruled him on the basis that a curved hand rail was custom work and would be too expensive - so Richard said he went behind their backs, ordered the rail without their knowledge and raided the petty cash fund to pay for it when it was delivered - he and a few others were installing it and the higher ups raised hell with him and threw him off the project, threw him off campus too I think but I am not sure about that. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks Sorry, I don't remember him - I was on a support crew from the CAE project near Kansas City, so didn't get to know many of the guys doing the design. Probably my biggest regret from those days was while digging the foundation for the CAE near KC, I found a beautiful pre-Colombian axe head (verified by an archeologist on staff). A real treasure. Unfortunately, had no sense back then and gave it away after leaving. Oh well... BTW, last time I google mapped the KC CAE, it is being torn down for scrap. Fun project while it lasted. Unfortunately, didn't survive the sthapatya veda craze, as it had a, gulp, south facing entrance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: When you worked on the first Dome did you meet a guy by the name of Richard Kilmer - big fella with a big booming voice - he was an architect? From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks  Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on the walls though.:-) Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't lose money on many courses. So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating myself into a normal, successful worldly life. If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and trot out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, but when they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb: :-) The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history. this makes you sound kinda dumb...just sayin'... Not dumb, dear Doctor. Here is the key thing. Many people who appear the most bitter are those who spent the most time, invested much of themselves, in the Movement whether it was in in the form of years, sweat, dedication or belief. This was a cost on some level. When someone has put so much of themselves
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Guy walks into a bar (Was: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?)
Excellent excellent points from both of you! From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 6:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Guy walks into a bar (Was: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: You know, I've been thinking for years, why the world doesn't just jump on board with the whole TM/TMSP program, since it is just simply logical from a scientific POV. Then I was just thinking how many times i've asked a woman out, or tried to spark up a conversation and simply got the cold shoulder. I could easily come up with a hundred reasons why she shouldn't be so cold and distant. I could potentially be the best thing that ever happened to her. But that is all from a subjective point of view, no subjectivity whatsoever. First, maybe I should take a look at myself. Maybe I dress poorly, maybe my breath stinks, maybe i'm not as good looking as I think I am. Then I also have to check my personality. Maybe i'm coming off the wrong way, perhaps I'm using the same old pickup lines that simply turn women off. Maybe i'm being too aggressive and unnatural in the conversation. Then I also have to consider what this woman has been through. How many times has she had her heart broken by someone who looks and acts just like me? Is she divorced, is she a single mother just trying to make ends meet, has she been abused by men in the past? All these questions have to be asked before I run around with the attitude that this woman is so stupid not to pay attention to how awesome of a guy I am. I look at the TMO the same way. So many TB's simply spout off all the scientific research and how readily every society should just adopt TM immediately. The TMO seems to ask no serious questions of itself in terms of how they are coming off to the mass public. Below are some questions that I think are very important to ask before the TMO continues its campaign: 1. Does our behavior and personality of our TM Governors come off strange to people? 2. Does any of the video footage of our founder, MMY, perhaps scare off people when he praises dictators like Fidel Castro, among others? 3. Does the apparent apathy and sloth of TM/TMSP practitioners cause non TM'ers to doubt the validity of their claims to more effectiveness? 4. Does the TMO possess any similar traits to other cults that have led their members to mass death/suicide? 5. Does the TMO seem to come off too aggressive and unnatural in their plea for government to adopt TM? 6. Do some of the decisions made by the TMO that have screwed up other people's lives cause doubt about their intentions? (ex: a doctor packed up all his belongings and moved his practice to Boone, NC with an agreement to work at Heavenly Mountain, only to be denied at the last minute that his designated building would be utilized for something else, and he was no longer needed) 7. Do the financial dealings of the TMO give people any reason to be suspicious of their honesty (ex: bake sales for MSAE had money sent to India instead of MSAE). 8. Do some of the unreasonable demands of TM/TMSP practitioners in Fairfield cause non-TM'ers to look at them like they're idiots (ex: meditators wanted the city of Fairfield to adjust their garbage collection schedule according to the meditation time) These are only a fraction of questions I think should be asked. Here are a few more: 9. Are these people SO weird that they don't even *know* that they're weird? Are they so out of it that they actually think that they're coming across as normal? 10. Do these people have a tendency to become angry and lash out at anyone who criticizes their organization, its founder, its current leaders, and them? Your asking someone out metaphor is apt, and effective. The clueless guy always blaming his track record of getting shot down by every woman he approaches is in most cases acting from a platform of pure ego and narcissism. He thinks, If they rejected me, they just can't see how wonderful I am the way I can see that in myself. Therefore *they're* the ones at fault here, the ones who are stupid. Not me. Suffice it to say that this is *precisely* the TMO's act as well. It *never* steps back to wonder what IT could be doing wrong to have been so thoroughly rejected by so many people for so many years. There is a simple reason -- they're acting like a cult, and individually, like cultists. People aren't interested in the products they are selling, because *they* are the personi- fication of what those products *produce*. Who on earth would want to be like most of the TB TMers one meets? You'd have to be a pretty big loser to want that.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Vedic Pandit update
From: Raja Wynne and Raja Harris maill...@invincibleamerica.org Reply-To: direc...@globalpeaceinitiative.org To our dear Movement family, We have some good news to share with you—the first group of 73 Pandits arrived this week in Maharishi Vedic City! Everyone is so happy to have them here, and they are so happy to be here. The entire Pandit campus is celebrating their arrival. Vedic Pandits traveling from the airport to Maharishi Vedic City. Thank you for your unwavering support and generosity to the Maharishi Vedic Pandits. Warmest wishes for a very happy and fulfilling New Year. Jai Guru Dev, Raja John Hagelin Raja Harris Raja Wynne Raja Bob LoPinto Ramani Ayer To Donate: https://globalcountryofworldpeace.org/donate/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolutely fascinating article about the best pickpocket in the world
Great article. Thanks for the link. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Doug Henning, back when my roommate made costumes for him and I got to hang with him at the Magic Castle in L.A. a bit, introduced me to a couple of the true legends of magic. They were all real characters -- true originals. Doug would have *loved* this guy. Pickpocketing as spiritual teaching: A lot of magic is designed to appeal to people visually, but what I'm trying to affect is their minds, their moods, their perceptions. My goal isn't to hurt them or to bewilder them with a puzzle but to challenge their maps of reality. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/01/07/130107fa_fact_green?curren\ tPage=allsrc=longreads
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Just curious - I met him long after in Atlanta - he was a world class architect - I saw some of the homes he designed in Atlanta - made your jaw drop when you say them - some people used to say his homes had a angelic presence about them. Richard claimed to have been the one responsible for getting the wooden hand rail in the men's dome - he said he wanted it there for the senior citizens ability to walk up the stairs - Bevan and some others overruled him on the basis that a curved hand rail was custom work and would be too expensive - so Richard said he went behind their backs, ordered the rail without their knowledge and raided the petty cash fund to pay for it when it was delivered - he and a few others were installing it and the higher ups raised hell with him and threw him off the project, threw him off campus too I think but I am not sure about that. Lovely story. I am just an architecture nut, and get off on not only wonderfully-designed spaces, but the often equally wonder- fully-designed stories of how they got that way. In Santa Fe there was the Miraculous Staircase. It was located within a small Catholic chapel, formerly a nunnery, nowadays called the Loretto Chapel. The story goes like this. The order had enough money to build the chapel, and even to build a choir loft overlooking the chapel from which the more tuneful nuns could sing. But they ran out of money before they could build an actual way to *get to* this choir loft. So for years the nuns had to sing from the back pews of the chapel itself. Then one day some long-haired, bearded guy wanders by, leading (no shit) a donkey and carrying a box of carpenter's tools, and asks for a handout. Noticing that the choir loft lacks a staircase leading to it, he offers to build it for them. They take him up on his offer. The staircase to this day befuddles scientists. It is made from wood not native to the area. It is constructed entirely organically, with no nails or artificial elements keeping it together, only pegs carved from the same wood as the stairs, and no apparent central support. And then there's the question of what it fuckin' LOOKS LIKE, which is this (the railing was added much later...the original staircase was just the stairs you see in the photo): Then, as the legend goes, the carpenter who build all of this just fuckin' disappears, without asking for payment. Naturally, the Catholics believe that it was either St. Joseph, or Jesus himself. Me, I think it's a better story if it was just a wandering carpenter, someone who took pride in doing a good job with whatever he built, such that it would bring joy to other people. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks  Sorry, I don't remember him - I was on a support crew from the CAE project near Kansas City, so didn't get to know many of the guys doing the design. Probably my biggest regret from those days was while digging the foundation for the CAE near KC, I found a beautiful pre-Colombian axe head (verified by an archeologist on staff). A real treasure. Unfortunately, had no sense back then and gave it away after leaving. Oh well... BTW, last time I google mapped the KC CAE, it is being torn down for scrap. Fun project while it lasted. Unfortunately, didn't survive the sthapatya veda craze, as it had a, gulp, south facing entrance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: When you worked on the first Dome did you meet a guy by the name of Richard Kilmer - big fella with a big booming voice - he was an architect? From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks àHi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on the walls though.:-) Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad nauseum
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: What is it about Share, or your own character, that makes you feel it is necessary to be so defensive on her behalf, Steve? Is it because you think she is not capable of speaking for herself? no Is it because you feel she is treated worse than others on this forum? perhaps I think she is sometimes misunderstood, you know, in the same way Judy often chimes in when she feels Robin is misunderstood Is it because you have a soft spot for her yes, I do have a soft spot for her, because I think she is sharp as a tack, but is often the subject unfair comments, simply because she doesn't answer accusations in the way some people wish her to address accusations and just can't stand seeing anyone question or evaluate what she writes? I don't believe I intervene that often Do you lack objectivity? perhaps so. I am always open to the possibility that I am wrong about someone. I have never met Share personally, but yes I feel a kindred spirit. From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death!  Emily, I am not exactly sure what you are saying: if you are showing some undestanding about this statement Share made, or indicating she deserved the harsh responses she received? Here's the statement: Hi Mike, why do you think that [hatred of Jews] happened? I'm wondering if they were the first group to espouse the idea of one God rather than many gods. Could that have been the reason? I believe Barry has a deeper understanding than most of religions, their origins etc. Okay, great. Why not enlighten us, if there is some misconception? I mean if you ask 99% of people, Who discovered America, the answer would be Christopher Columbus. I mean I'm not even sure who discoverd America. But from what I've gathered in the last couple years, it wasn't CC. If you ask 99% of people, who came up with the idea of one God, the answer is going to be the Jews. Again, I'm not sure who came up with idea of One God. So, what's the value in ridiculing someone who asks a question, or makes a statement along these lines? Why not just provide a correction? Anyway, going to bed now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: You know, I ask a lot of stupid questions and throw out a lot of unenlightened bullshit. àI do this when my mind isn't working, I do it to get feedback, I do it to help myself think differently or more expansively about an issue. àI don't think piling on is the right phrase at all. àWhen people respond to a question or a POV thrown up here, they give all of us the opportunity to gain clarity, think more deeply about our belief system, question our assumptions, look at our logical or illogical train of thought, have a good laugh at ourselves and others', etc. àI see it as one of the primary gifts of FFL - that people are willing to communicate what they are really thinking. àIt was a huge shock to me to see this here when I arrived. àIt isn't how I experienced my life for many years - so many people are fear-based and too scared to say what their real reality is - they don't even know it themselves, they've protected themselves for so long and gotten stuck in righteousness and sheep mentality and blame and many other defense tactics. àThey have no idea how to take responsibility for themselves, nor do they want to. àFrom: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death! àAbsolutely right. It's just pile on to Share time, that's all. And Share handles it all with grace and humor. Well done, Share. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: All this over one simple statement below, and suddenly one is simple minded, a twif a pudding brain!? Or I guess the come back is, no this is just one example of this type of thinking I don't see any of it. I see someone who has traversed through the issues and come to a style of communication that is for the most part non confrontational. I think you totally miss the subtlety of the way Share communicates, and instead choose to demean someone whose thinking processes differ, perhaps markedly from yours. Hi Mike, why do you think that [hatred of Jews] happened? I'm wondering if they were the first group to espouse the idea of one God rather than many gods. Could that have been the reason? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the process of processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last months - I have tired also to make that point that if TM is actually as effective why do so many people quit? Why do so many people who do TM long term act like asses or become completely ineffective in life? Not everyone, but a lot do. I appreciate your posting these words. I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know what you think of this part: One other important point is that the mechanical repetition of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual progress whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in many discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition of some meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's life, and no unfoldment of true spiritual values. Haven't you ever wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so heartless, especially the administrators the early courses? It was because their mechanical repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart, not opening it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a sort of disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have the same feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly evolved, it is because they are disconnected from their hearts. What do you think about this? From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a nothing technique that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice to their wives. It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten better as a human in that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so who knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do with their money and how they treat their minions. And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment in gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for more cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at least ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their gold turns the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to approach the rich with anything but hey, try the bean casserole. They smell your beggary from 100 feet away. So, on that level, I pity them, because they are always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only people like them to hob nob with. Vicious cycle that. Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be used to good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is just not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens physiological excitation, but I could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that. I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored? Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right? Ask L.B., right? The movement has never NEVER NEVER
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
Man that is gorgeous - thanks for posting it and the story - I wish Richard was still around to tell his stories - he passed away in Texas last year - in addition to his design skill he was a hell of a clarinet player till he lost hearing in one ear. If you decide to read his obit here you will note his family said not one word about his former affiliation with the TMO http://www.steedtodd.com/services.asp?page=odetailid=20328locid=18 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Just curious - I met him long after in Atlanta - he was a world class architect - I saw some of the homes he designed in Atlanta - made your jaw drop when you say them - some people used to say his homes had a angelic presence about them. Richard claimed to have been the one responsible for getting the wooden hand rail in the men's dome - he said he wanted it there for the senior citizens ability to walk up the stairs - Bevan and some others overruled him on the basis that a curved hand rail was custom work and would be too expensive - so Richard said he went behind their backs, ordered the rail without their knowledge and raided the petty cash fund to pay for it when it was delivered - he and a few others were installing it and the higher ups raised hell with him and threw him off the project, threw him off campus too I think but I am not sure about that. Lovely story. I am just an architecture nut, and get off on not only wonderfully-designed spaces, but the often equally wonder- fully-designed stories of how they got that way. In Santa Fe there was the Miraculous Staircase. It was located within a small Catholic chapel, formerly a nunnery, nowadays called the Loretto Chapel. The story goes like this. The order had enough money to build the chapel, and even to build a choir loft overlooking the chapel from which the more tuneful nuns could sing. But they ran out of money before they could build an actual way to *get to* this choir loft. So for years the nuns had to sing from the back pews of the chapel itself. Then one day some long-haired, bearded guy wanders by, leading (no shit) a donkey and carrying a box of carpenter's tools, and asks for a handout. Noticing that the choir loft lacks a staircase leading to it, he offers to build it for them. They take him up on his offer. The staircase to this day befuddles scientists. It is made from wood not native to the area. It is constructed entirely organically, with no nails or artificial elements keeping it together, only pegs carved from the same wood as the stairs, and no apparent central support. And then there's the question of what it fuckin' LOOKS LIKE, which is this (the railing was added much later...the original staircase was just the stairs you see in the photo): Then, as the legend goes, the carpenter who build all of this just fuckin' disappears, without asking for payment. Naturally, the Catholics believe that it was either St. Joseph, or Jesus himself. Me, I think it's a better story if it was just a wandering carpenter, someone who took pride in doing a good job with whatever he built, such that it would bring joy to other people. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks  Sorry, I don't remember him - I was on a support crew from the CAE project near Kansas City, so didn't get to know many of the guys doing the design. Probably my biggest regret from those days was while digging the foundation for the CAE near KC, I found a beautiful pre-Colombian axe head (verified by an archeologist on staff). A real treasure. Unfortunately, had no sense back then and gave it away after leaving. Oh well... BTW, last time I google mapped the KC CAE, it is being torn down for scrap. Fun project while it lasted. Unfortunately, didn't survive the sthapatya veda craze, as it had a, gulp, south facing entrance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: When you worked on the first Dome did you meet a guy by the name of Richard Kilmer - big fella with a big booming voice - he was an architect? From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks  Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Man that is gorgeous - thanks for posting it and the story - I wish Richard was still around to tell his stories - he passed away in Texas last year - in addition to his design skill he was a hell of a clarinet player till he lost hearing in one ear. If you decide to read his obit here you will note his family said not one word about his former affiliation with the TMO From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ...In Santa Fe there was the Miraculous Staircase. It was located within a small Catholic chapel, formerly a nunnery, nowadays called the Loretto Chapel. The story goes like this. The order had enough money to build the chapel, and even to build a choir loft overlooking the chapel from which the more tuneful nuns could sing. But they ran out of money before they could build an actual way to *get to* this choir loft. So for years the nuns had to sing from the back pews of the chapel itself. Then one day some long-haired, bearded guy wanders by, leading (no shit) a donkey and carrying a box of carpenter's tools, and asks for a handout. Noticing that the choir loft lacks a staircase leading to it, he offers to build it for them. They take him up on his offer. The staircase to this day befuddles scientists. It is made from wood not native to the area. It is constructed entirely organically, with no nails or artificial elements keeping it together, only pegs carved from the same wood as the stairs, and no apparent central support. And then there's the question of what it fuckin' LOOKS LIKE, which is this (the railing was added much later...the original staircase was just the stairs you see in the photo): Then, as the legend goes, the carpenter who build all of this just fuckin' disappears, without asking for payment. Naturally, the Catholics believe that it was either St. Joseph, or Jesus himself. Me, I think it's a better story if it was just a wandering carpenter, someone who took pride in doing a good job with whatever he built, such that it would bring joy to other people. Some additional information (from snopes.com) However it came to be built, the solution to the problem at the Loretto Chapel was a winding staircase in the shape of a helix (which both takes up less space than a conventional stairway and is much more aesthetically appealing). Although winding staircases are somewhat tricky to build because the form is not well-suited to bearing weight and generally requires additional support, the one at Loretto is not quite the miracle of architecture that subsequent legend has made it out to be. For starters, the Loretto staircase was apparently not all that fine a piece of work from a safety standpoint. It was originally built without a railing, presenting a steep descent that reportedly so frightened some of the nuns that they came down the stairway on their hands and knees. Not until several years later did another artisan (Phillip August Hesch) finally add a railing to the staircase. Moreover, the helix shape acted like what it resembles, a big spring, with many visitors reporting that the stairs moved up and down as they trod them. The structure has been closed to public access for several decades now, with various reasons (including a lack of suitable fire exits and preservation) given for the closure at different times, leading investigator Joe Nickell to note that There is reason to suspect that the staircase may be more unstable and, potentially, unsafe than some realize. Although the Loretto legend maintains that engineers and scientists say that they cannot understand how this staircase can balance without any central support and that by all rights it should have long since collapsed into a pile of rubble, none of that is the case. Wood technologist Forrest N. Easley noted (as reported by the Skeptical Inquirer) that the staircase does have a central support, an inner wood stringer of such small radius that it functions as an almost solid pole. As well, Nickell observed when he visited Loretto in 1993 that the structure includes an additional support, an iron brace or bracket that stabilizes the staircase by rigidly connecting the outer stringer to one of the columns that support the loft. Nickell concluded: It would thus appear that the Loretto staircase is subject to the laws of physics like any other. As for the wood used in the stairway's construction, it has been identified as spruce, but not a large enough sample has been made available for wood analysts to determine which of the ten spruce species found in North America (and thus precisely where) it came from. That the structure may have built without the use of glue or nails is hardly remarkable â nails were often an unavailable or precious commodity to builders of earlier eras, who developed a number of techniques
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote [in response to Duveyoung]: Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the process of processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last months - I have tired also to make that point that if TM is actually as effective why do so many people quit? Why do so many people who do TM long term act like asses or become completely ineffective in life? Not everyone, but a lot do. I appreciate your posting these words. I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know what you think of this part: One other important point is that the mechanical repetition of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual progress whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in many discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition of some meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's life, and no unfoldment of true spiritual values. Haven't you ever wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so heartless, especially the administrators the early courses? It was because their mechanical repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart, not opening it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a sort of disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have the same feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly evolved, it is because they are disconnected from their hearts. What do you think about this? While there are various explanations of how heart evolves (recall an earlier post by Card about some new TMO technique involving the heart), I read somewhere that Adyashanti described in general terms that enlightenment unfolds first for the mind (intellect), then the heart, and then the 'gut' (the latter being the release of an existential hold onto life), not that this happens to everybody in the same sequence or in clearly defined steps). This seems to parallel MMYs CC, GC, UC sequence. With TM we do not seem to get a lot of nitty gritty details about how this proceeds, or what kind of experiences one might go through. I mean, if one has a heart of stone, releasing that constriction might be very uncomfortable, because something perhaps very traumatic shut it down. Softening of the heart means some kind of devotion that cracks personal boundaries and fears. In the TMO this is idea seems to be forced in the direction of adulation and service to MMY, which is now impossible now that he is dead. One can be devoted to an image, an icon of MMY, a memory. But devotion is really just part of any path that one is focused on. You could be devoted to helping others, or devoted to being a more reasonable kind of person. You could be devoted to taking care of injured animals. One thing is sure compassion is not quite the same as empathy or sympathy, which basically bleed you out into some other person's difficulties. To be useful to someone who is in dire straits and suffering because of their delusions or situation (say physical pain), it does no good to get caught up in their misery, you have to be there for them, and, at the same time not appear as some callous bastard. It has been suggested that doctors with poor bedside manners take acting lessons, to avoid these problems. But people who can just 'be there' with you and make a person feel safe is perhaps best of all. As I lay here under the influence of a winter illness, I thought I would see if anybody had written some cogent comparison of the two main forms of meditation, transcendental meditation, and mindfulness. I found the following discussion on a Buddhist web site. What I find remarkable about it is it displays no antagonism toward transcendental meditation, even though this is from a teacher of mindfulness meditation. This is in stark contrast to the TMO practice of always asserting the practice of TM is superior. In fact this author here acknowledges that TM is easier to learn. I find his comparison here really instructive. 'Many people in the West get their first exposure to meditation through what is know as TM or Transcendental Meditation. TM is essentially the classic mantra practice of India presented in a contemporary format, easily accessible to Westerners. Mindfulness meditation is another practice which is growing in popularity in Europe and North America. It is also known as Insight Meditation or Vipassana. As a teacher of Vipassana meditation, I am frequently asked about the relationship between mantra practice and mindfulness. 'On the surface they would seem to be very different, perhaps even antithetical. Typically in TM one leans back against a wall, withdraws from the phenomenal world and repeats a mantra to oneself for perhaps twenty minutes. It's relatively easy and usually brings immediate calming effects. In mindfulness practice one sits
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
Just a quick reaction to this: just because people stop doing something doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't work or isn't doing them good. Exercise is a good example. How many people start exercise programs and discontinue them, even though they know it is good for them? With TM, you do have to make the time for it, and not everyone is willing to do that on a long-term basis. Also, the TM critics here seem to accept the idea that many long-term meditators are ineffective in life (as you put it). I'm not convinced of that at all. Recently Jerry Seinfeld was on ABC talking about his 40-year TM practice. Thousands of other very successful people are long-term TMers, and this association between ineffectiveness and long-term TM seems to me decidedly unproven and most probably untrue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the process of processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last months - I have tired also to make that point that if TM is actually as effective why do so many people quit? Why do so many people who do TM long term act like asses or become completely ineffective in life? Not everyone, but a lot do. I appreciate your posting these words. I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know what you think of this part: One other important point is that the mechanical repetition of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual progress whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in many discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition of some meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's life, and no unfoldment of true spiritual values. Haven't you ever wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so heartless, especially the administrators the early courses? It was because their mechanical repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart, not opening it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a sort of disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have the same feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly evolved, it is because they are disconnected from their hearts. What do you think about this? From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks  What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a nothing technique that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice to their wives. It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten better as a human in that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so who knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do with their money and how they treat their minions. And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment in gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for more cash EVERY.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote [in response to Duveyoung]: Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the process of processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last months - I have tired also to make that point that if TM is actually as effective why do so many people quit? Why do so many people who do TM long term act like asses or become completely ineffective in life? Not everyone, but a lot do. I appreciate your posting these words. I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know what you think of this part: One other important point is that the mechanical repetition of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual progress whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in many discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition of some meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's life, and no unfoldment of true spiritual values. Haven't you ever wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so heartless, especially the administrators the early courses? It was because their mechanical repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart, not opening it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a sort of disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have the same feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly evolved, it is because they are disconnected from their hearts. What do you think about this? While there are various explanations of how heart evolves (recall an earlier post by Card about some new TMO technique involving the heart), I read somewhere that Adyashanti described in general terms that enlightenment unfolds first for the mind (intellect), then the heart, and then the 'gut' (the latter being the release of an existential hold onto life), not that this happens to everybody in the same sequence or in clearly defined steps). This seems to parallel MMYs CC, GC, UC sequence. With TM we do not seem to get a lot of nitty gritty details about how this proceeds, or what kind of experiences one might go through. I mean, if one has a heart of stone, releasing that constriction might be very uncomfortable, because something perhaps very traumatic shut it down. Softening of the heart means some kind of devotion that cracks personal boundaries and fears. In the TMO this is idea seems to be forced in the direction of adulation and service to MMY, which is now impossible now that he is dead. One can be devoted to an image, an icon of MMY, a memory. But devotion is really just part of any path that one is focused on. You could be devoted to helping others, or devoted to being a more reasonable kind of person. You could be devoted to taking care of injured animals. One thing is sure compassion is not quite the same as empathy or sympathy, which basically bleed you out into some other person's difficulties. To be useful to someone who is in dire straits and suffering because of their delusions or situation (say physical pain), it does no good to get caught up in their misery, you have to be there for them, and, at the same time not appear as some callous bastard. It has been suggested that doctors with poor bedside manners take acting lessons, to avoid these problems. But people who can just 'be there' with you and make a person feel safe is perhaps best of all. As I lay here under the influence of a winter illness, I thought I would see if anybody had written some cogent comparison of the two main forms of meditation, transcendental meditation, and mindfulness. I found the following discussion on a Buddhist web site. What I find remarkable about it is it displays no antagonism toward transcendental meditation, even though this is from a teacher of mindfulness meditation. This is in stark contrast to the TMO practice of always asserting the practice of TM is superior. In fact this author here acknowledges that TM is easier to learn. I find his comparison here really instructive. 'Many people in the West get their first exposure to meditation through what is know as TM or Transcendental Meditation. TM is essentially the classic mantra practice of India presented in a contemporary format, easily accessible to Westerners. Mindfulness meditation is another practice which is growing in popularity in Europe and North America. It is also known as Insight Meditation or Vipassana. As a teacher of Vipassana meditation, I am frequently asked about the relationship between mantra practice and mindfulness. 'On the surface they would seem to be very different, perhaps even antithetical. Typically in TM one leans back against a wall, withdraws from the phenomenal world and repeats a mantra to oneself for perhaps twenty minutes. It's relatively easy and usually brings immediate calming
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
I have to argue with you on that - first of all I said not all, but a lot. Of course not all long term TM'ers are ineffective in life, just at not all TM teacher turn into unpleasant people like the TMO leaders often do - I have for example praised Jerry Jarvis with whom I had limited interaction but for his status in the Movement at the time he was a real fine fellow - he treated me and the other meditators at the Atlanta Center very well - he was not aloof, arrogant or dismissive of people who were not of his rank within the Movement. On the opposite end of the scale I also had dealings with Gene Speigel, Susan Humphries, Chris Crowell, Greg Wilson and his wife Georgina who were all aloof, arrogant, unpleasant and Georgina W. looked me right dead in my eyes and told me a flat out lie. The behavior of A LOT of long time TM'ers in leadership roles is not what one would expect of ANYONE who did TM if TM had the effect it is advertised to have. As a former MIU faulty member you cannot seriously deny the sloth and inefficiency that existed in that place and in most Movement facilites - the stories of this are legion - I am speaking from experience. I lived and and dealt with it on a daily basis. I acknowledge that there are long time TM'ers who are successful like Seinfeld. I don't know what it is that makes the phenomenon occur of the TM walking dead - but please don't deny it exists. There are too many people who post here who can vouch for the TM brain dead - having said that some of them I like and had good friendships with. But the point is that TM is SUPPOSED to lead to excellence in action it is ADVERTISED to improve life in many respects including ones performance of one's allotted duty so to speak and IF TM were truly the universal balm universally appropriate for everyone with the same effect in everyone them we should expect that everyone should do TM and become as successful as Jerry Seinfeld and Clint Eastwood. TM proponents claim that TM leads to many physiological benefits like lower blood pressure, improved heart functioning and so forth. Is it out of bounds to assume that the mental/emotional and behavioral benefits advertised by the TMO would also be universally seen in all populations that do TM? Yet the benefits are not seen universally therefore I personally have no choice but to conclude that TM does not perform as advertised. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Just a quick reaction to this: just because people stop doing something doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't work or isn't doing them good. Exercise is a good example. How many people start exercise programs and discontinue them, even though they know it is good for them? With TM, you do have to make the time for it, and not everyone is willing to do that on a long-term basis. Also, the TM critics here seem to accept the idea that many long-term meditators are ineffective in life (as you put it). I'm not convinced of that at all. Recently Jerry Seinfeld was on ABC talking about his 40-year TM practice. Thousands of other very successful people are long-term TMers, and this association between ineffectiveness and long-term TM seems to me decidedly unproven and most probably untrue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the process of processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last months - I have tired also to make that point that if TM is actually as effective why do so many people quit? Why do so many people who do TM long term act like asses or become completely ineffective in life? Not everyone, but a lot do. I appreciate your posting these words. I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know what you think of this part: One other important point is that the mechanical repetition of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual progress whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in many discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition of some meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's life, and no unfoldment of true spiritual values. Haven't you ever wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so heartless, especially the administrators the early courses? It was because their mechanical repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart, not opening it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a sort of disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have the same feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly evolved, it is because they are disconnected from their hearts. What do you think about this? From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To:
[FairfieldLife] New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 12/30/2012
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[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? 2Share
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Ques to Xeno: What do you think is the body's role in enlightenment? By body I also mean the physical aspects of the brain. I agree with your statement about perception determining whether one lives in heaven or hell. And I also think that perception is somewhat dependent on the condition of the body/brain. OTOH, I remember that there were saints who had terrible disease and endured terrible tortures, but they still expressed profound union with the Divine. Would enjoy your thoughts on this.  What do we know about what experiences are like in the absence of a body that are not second hand descriptions from some other source? I recall the actor Kirk Douglas being asked about experiences he had after being in a helicopter crash. His reply 'I was knocked unconscious'. My experiences with general anesthesia, where the drugs pretty much disable the body from moving and disrupt communication between different areas of the brain result in an utter blank. There is a total gap between two conscious experiences. Not a lack of being, but no consciousness. MMYs phrase 'when pure consciousness becomes conscious' is germane here. Being becomes conscious via the body and brain. Being is neither conscious or unconscious, it is an abstract existential concept. It is either unmanifest or manifest. Manifestation requires some kind of world, some variation. Without a body, what need is there of enlightenment? Nothing is happening from which any kind of change is required. Over the centuries mankind has invented all sorts of metaphysical ideas about 'the other side', but there is never any way to prove these ideas have merit. Being is existence pure and simple, as far as I am concerned, there is no other side. There is just this, what is happening now. When nothing is happening, it is blank, but not necessarily non-existence. We cannot actually imagine what 'real' non-existence would be (see right there we attribute being to non-existence when trying to describe the absence of existence using the word 'be'). This is not a new idea, it was originally expressed by the Greek philosopher Parmenides. I suppose this makes me a hylotheist, in a manner of speaking, when it comes to thinking about the nature of the universe and being. I am deliberately not defining the word, so you can look it up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread
I wouldn't give up looking for a job. But do be clever about it. Take your qualifications and look for emerging areas where your expertise can be applied. If age is an issue market yourself as a consultant not a job applicant. It's called transposition of skills and something not taught very well. IOW, they like to keep you a square peg that can only fit in square holes. On 12/30/2012 10:07 AM, Emily Reyn wrote: April? Why would I even look for a job, if I believed this prediction. It's lucky I have all my camping gear for me and the kids. I should buy more fuel for the stove probably. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread Bhairitu -- can you give us your estimate of the chances? 50% chance, 80% chance? What? If you do believe this, where are you putting your dollars for a hedge? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: And what will 2013 bring? How about the collapse of the dollar bringing the collapse of the US economy about April? That would bring massive rioting and hence why they want to collect guns now (sorry it has nothing to do with mentally unstable people shooting kids). This is not astrology but the logical progression of events. Time will tell.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death! objectivity thx to Steve
Hi Steve and thank you for calling me a kindred spirit. How I wish! Meaning that I wish I were as compassionate and balanced and humble as you are as indicated by your posts here on FFL. In this sense you are definitely a hero and role model, someone whom I would like to emulate more. A good New Year's resolution and appearing right on time (-: As for objectivity, I think FFL has pretty much decided, and rightly so, that that does not exist. Anyway, wishing you and your family lots of laughter and deep contentment and good health in 2013. From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: What is it about Share, or your own character, that makes you feel it is necessary to be so defensive on her behalf, Steve? Is it because you think she is not capable of speaking for herself? no Is it because you feel she is treated worse than others on this forum? perhaps I think she is sometimes misunderstood, you know, in the same way Judy often chimes in when she feels Robin is misunderstood Is it because you have a soft spot for her yes, I do have a soft spot for her, because I think she is sharp as a tack, but is often the subject unfair comments, simply because she doesn't answer accusations in the way some people wish her to address accusations and just can't stand seeing anyone question or evaluate what she writes? I don't believe I intervene that often Do you lack objectivity? perhaps so. I am always open to the possibility that I am wrong about someone. I have never met Share personally, but yes I feel a kindred spirit. From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death!  Emily, I am not exactly sure what you are saying: if you are showing some undestanding about this statement Share made, or indicating she deserved the harsh responses she received? Here's the statement: Hi Mike, why do you think that [hatred of Jews] happened? I'm wondering if they were the first group to espouse the idea of one God rather than many gods. Could that have been the reason? I believe Barry has a deeper understanding than most of religions, their origins etc. Okay, great. Why not enlighten us, if there is some misconception? I mean if you ask 99% of people, Who discovered America, the answer would be Christopher Columbus. I mean I'm not even sure who discoverd America. But from what I've gathered in the last couple years, it wasn't CC. If you ask 99% of people, who came up with the idea of one God, the answer is going to be the Jews. Again, I'm not sure who came up with idea of One God. So, what's the value in ridiculing someone who asks a question, or makes a statement along these lines? Why not just provide a correction? Anyway, going to bed now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: You know, I ask a lot of stupid questions and throw out a lot of unenlightened bullshit.  I do this when my mind isn't working, I do it to get feedback, I do it to help myself think differently or more expansively about an issue.  I don't think piling on is the right phrase at all.  When people respond to a question or a POV thrown up here, they give all of us the opportunity to gain clarity, think more deeply about our belief system, question our assumptions, look at our logical or illogical train of thought, have a good laugh at ourselves and others', etc.  I see it as one of the primary gifts of FFL - that people are willing to communicate what they are really thinking.  It was a huge shock to me to see this here when I arrived.  It isn't how I experienced my life for many years - so many people are fear-based and too scared to say what their real reality is - they don't even know it themselves, they've protected themselves for so long and gotten stuck in righteousness and sheep mentality and blame and many other defense tactics.  They have no idea how to take responsibility for themselves, nor do they want to.  From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death!  Absolutely right. It's just pile on to Share time, that's all. And Share handles it all with grace and humor. Well done, Share. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: All this over one simple statement below, and suddenly one is simple minded, a twif a pudding brain!? Or I guess the come back
[FairfieldLife] Micro$oft conspiracy?
This mightily reeks like some kinda Micro$oft conspiracy: http://www.amazon.com/gp/top-rated/wireless/2422313011/ref=zg_tr_tab_t_tr
[FairfieldLife] Let's hope Holland shall treat her better!
Google translation: Two years ago, President Tarja Halonen invited journalist-writer Umayya Abu-Hanna's castle party. It is a remarkable tribute: the majority of Finnish is not a party to such things ever. The castle will be honored at a party, and the Finnish independence. Been a guest of Abu-Hanna thanked for the invitation memorable way. He complained to the live TV broadcast, how Finland is an impossible place. Abu-Hanna announced a change in Finland, the Netherlands, Finland, since there is no room educated migrants. Following that opinion, I had to check how badly Finland in 1981, our country had moved to the Palestinian-backed Umayya Abu-Hanna is treated. First of all, Finland has offered him a tax funding in higher education and the number of good jobs. His books and contributed articles to be published in the prestigious scientific instruments, and he has been voted the Helsinki City Council. The euro has fallen Vaaleissakin confidence: the first time the Finns were more than 12,000 votes, the other more than 8,500 votes. And awards have been enough: Abu-Hanna has been in Finland mm. People's Education Society's Award of the Year, Christina Award, Ministry of Education, Finland Prize and Bonnier's a great journalist award. But a poor country, what a poor country. New York Times published on Sunday, Abu-Hanna's extensive writing, which he will continue with the same theme: Finland's reviews. Holland reason for moving is no longer a failure to provide an educated Finnish Abu-Hanna opportunities, but now it is the daughter experienced racism. The writing point is this: Finland is a miserable racist country and the new country of Holland again and tolerance in the kingdom of light. Abu-Hanna explains its analysis of his experience, which in itself can be offensive. If someone 80 years old Finnish grandma is nimitellyt Abu-Hanna's daughters negro Satan, it has been a truly ugly off. But there are still compelled to ask, do you think really fair to stigmatize one Potty 80-year-old grandmother and a couple of other citizen of bad behavior on the basis of the whole nation? Why is that cursing grandma gets Finnish determine if the Dutch do not specify, for example Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh's murder? Immigration Critical Dutch politician Fortuyn was shot in broad daylight in 2002 and Islam criticism of the film made Theo van Gogh in turn, was stabbed to death two years later. Both killings have dramatically affected the Netherlands and after including Geert Wilders, led by right-wing extremist party has received a huge amount of supporters. All this Abu-Hanna forget to mention the tolerant Dutch praises. Instead, Abu-Hanna comparable to the Finnish Immigration critical politicians Wilders, even though Finland has no leader has ever presented anywhere near as ferocious as the views of the Dutch Wilders. Wilders, for example, openly said he hates Islam and declared that the Koran is a fascist book that should be banned in the Netherlands. In addition, he has written against Islam, attacking the film, which has resulted in mm. al-Qaeda declared to be death threats. Abu-Hanna declares that she will not learn Dutch. Might be worthwhile. she could thus explore the views of some of the Dutch, who represent the values, which is mainly due to the mind only Aryan. In fact, all of Holland in recent years has distanced itself from multiculturalism. Does Abu-Hanna, for example, that in Islamic countries used burkhat prohibited in the Netherlands since the beginning of this year? Perhaps the most difficult, however, to believe that Abu-Hanna had never heard of her daughter while in Finland, no beauty. Does anybody have said anything nice cute little Reemasta? No positive comments Abu-Hanna does not mention. In particular, Abu-Hanna does not have anything good to say about the Finnish adoption of the authorities, who helped make this a great hope reality. Abu-Hanna was 46 years old single parent earnestly longed-for child in South Africa. Public Abu-Hanna, however, only barked adoption authorities in the process and have been hellish. *** Abu-Hanna, however, makes the mind to understand. It is a huge decision to leave after 30 years, the familiar country and leave everything behind. Its output is sure to make it easier, if the reasons for exchange itself unambiguously evil to good. Human nature tends to be now only one. In such a situation easily muistikin range. Abu-Hanna recalls a recent essay for example, said in 2010 the castle to celebrate. He touches on the famous episode in which he broke his label, and stole the attention for himself by pushing handshake between the President of the letter in your hand, in front of TV cameras. This is a result of his confusion, he is not now a recent essay dealing (whether the letter could not pass even if the office?) And a letter is on its way viestikin changed rosy. Now the letter stated Abu-Hanna,
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? 2Share
Xeno, thank you for this reply and Happy New Year too. Hope you're feeling lots better. I enjoyed looking up hylotheism and am answering you from Message View since your post has not yet arrived in my inbox. Maybe it will arrive next year (-: Anyway, I am of the same mind when it comes to Being and the Universe. For me they are one and the same, a river as it were, all the currents and eddies totally interpenetrating each other. After I reread your post, I used the bathroom. While I was washing my hands, there was a split second in which my hand and the porcelain faucet handle it was touching were one and the same. How quickly the mind jumped in to negate the experience! Nonetheless and no matter how briefly, there was a moment where my perception was clear and open to that river. Good Lord but life can be so deep and sweet. It takes my breath away. So grateful... Wishing you wonderful celebration of All (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ques to Xeno: What do you think is the body's role in enlightenment? By body I also mean the physical aspects of the brain. I agree with your statement about perception determining whether one lives in heaven or hell. And I also think that perception is somewhat dependent on the condition of the body/brain. OTOH, I remember that there were saints who had terrible disease and endured terrible tortures, but they still expressed profound union with the Divine. Would enjoy your thoughts on this.  What do we know about what experiences are like in the absence of a body that are not second hand descriptions from some other source? I recall the actor Kirk Douglas being asked about experiences he had after being in a helicopter crash. His reply 'I was knocked unconscious'. My experiences with general anesthesia, where the drugs pretty much disable the body from moving and disrupt communication between different areas of the brain result in an utter blank. There is a total gap between two conscious experiences. Not a lack of being, but no consciousness. MMYs phrase 'when pure consciousness becomes conscious' is germane here. Being becomes conscious via the body and brain. Being is neither conscious or unconscious, it is an abstract existential concept. It is either unmanifest or manifest. Manifestation requires some kind of world, some variation. Without a body, what need is there of enlightenment? Nothing is happening from which any kind of change is required. Over the centuries mankind has invented all sorts of metaphysical ideas about 'the other side', but there is never any way to prove these ideas have merit. Being is existence pure and simple, as far as I am concerned, there is no other side. There is just this, what is happening now. When nothing is happening, it is blank, but not necessarily non-existence. We cannot actually imagine what 'real' non-existence would be (see right there we attribute being to non-existence when trying to describe the absence of existence using the word 'be'). This is not a new idea, it was originally expressed by the Greek philosopher Parmenides. I suppose this makes me a hylotheist, in a manner of speaking, when it comes to thinking about the nature of the universe and being. I am deliberately not defining the word, so you can look it up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Micro$oft conspiracy?
On 12/31/2012 02:10 PM, card wrote: This mightily reeks like some kinda Micro$oft conspiracy: http://www.amazon.com/gp/top-rated/wireless/2422313011/ref=zg_tr_tab_t_tr Microsoft has lots of money to hand out free samples to reviewers. So does Apple. Google not so much because they only sell a few devices and devices are sold by other companies. It's payola but payola probably only covers music on the radio. A lot of reviewers know if they say anything negative about a product they may never see a free sample again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread
Salyavin, Jyotish is a study of consiousness at the individual level. When extended at the national level, it becomes more complicated as it would be addressing the national consciosness of the people. As MMY stated, consciousness is the dynamic flow of the Rishi, Devata, Chandas which is unfathomable. But jyotish does give a clue. Also, there are signs that one can use to interpret the indications of the national trend. This sign today is the DOW Jones average. IMO, this average is the equivalent of the Delphi Oracle in today's standards. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Bhairitu, Saturn is now transiting its exalted position in Libra. This sign is in the 11th house of unexpected gains in the US natal chart. So, your dire prediction is not likely to happen. Based on the recent activities of the DOW Jones, the market is not particularly bearish with the prospect of the fiscal cliff crisis. If anything, my gut feeling is that the stock market will take off if and when the Obama tax package is passed by Congress. If the package is not passed, the federal revenues would still increase which would reduce the deficit. So, contrary to Bernanke's worry, the tax increase may be a good thing. We'll find out for sure as to how the stock market would react on Tuesday, January 2, 2013. Come now John, why would you need a gut instinct if astrology is so precise? Given what is at stake it should be writ loud and clear across the heavens. Ever wonder why astrologers aren't banned from casino's?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@... wrote: I have to argue with you on that - first of all I said not all, but a lot. Of course not all long term TM'ers are ineffective in life, just at not all TM teacher turn into unpleasant people like the TMO leaders often do - I have for example praised Jerry Jarvis with whom I had limited interaction but for his status in the Movement at the time he was a real fine fellow - he treated me and the other meditators at the Atlanta Center very well - he was not aloof, arrogant or dismissive of people who were not of his rank within the Movement. On the opposite end of the scale I also had dealings with Gene Speigel, Susan Humphries, Chris Crowell, Greg Wilson and his wife Georgina who were all aloof, arrogant, unpleasant and Georgina W. looked me right dead in my eyes and told me a flat out lie. The behavior of A LOT of long time TM'ers in leadership roles is not what one would expect of ANYONE who did TM if TM had the effect it is advertised to have. As a former MIU faulty member you cannot seriously deny the sloth and inefficiency that existed in that place and in most Movement facilites - the stories of this are legion - I am speaking from experience. I lived and and dealt with it on a daily basis. I acknowledge that there are long time TM'ers who are successful like Seinfeld. I don't know what it is that makes the phenomenon occur of the TM walking dead - but please don't deny it exists. There are too many people who post here who can vouch for the TM brain dead - having said that some of them I like and had good friendships with. MJ: TM does not work as advertized. RD: uh-huh... MJ: I've seen walking dead people. RD: uh-hun...continue... MJ: Stories of their slothfulness are legion. RD: How so? MJ: They are brain dead. RD: gasp I'm starting to get the picture. MJ: Earl Kaplan says they are disconnected from their hearts. RD: I've got it! MJ: Got what? RD: Zombies! You're talking about fucking Zombies! MJ: You're full of shit. RD: No, no, really. Listen, MJ we have to *do* something about this before it's too late. MJ: Too late for what? RD: The Zombie apocalypse. MJ: You're starting to scare me. RD: Don't you get it? Zombies eat brains! MJ: Yes! And TM makes you brain dead! OMG this is worse than I thought. RD: Exactly. MJ: What should we do? RD: Have dinner. MJ: What? RD: I'm thinking Fava beans and a nice Tuscan chianti. But the point is that TM is SUPPOSED to lead to excellence in action it is ADVERTISED to improve life in many respects including ones performance of one's allotted duty so to speak and IF TM were truly the universal balm universally appropriate for everyone with the same effect in everyone them we should expect that everyone should do TM and become as successful as Jerry Seinfeld and Clint Eastwood. TM proponents claim that TM leads to many physiological benefits like lower blood pressure, improved heart functioning and so forth. Is it out of bounds to assume that the mental/emotional and behavioral benefits advertised by the TMO would also be universally seen in all populations that do TM? Yet the benefits are not seen universally therefore I personally have no choice but to conclude that TM does not perform as advertised. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Just a quick reaction to this: just because people stop doing something doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't work or isn't doing them good. Exercise is a good example. How many people start exercise programs and discontinue them, even though they know it is good for them? With TM, you do have to make the time for it, and not everyone is willing to do that on a long-term basis. Also, the TM critics here seem to accept the idea that many long-term meditators are ineffective in life (as you put it). I'm not convinced of that at all. Recently Jerry Seinfeld was on ABC talking about his 40-year TM practice. Thousands of other very successful people are long-term TMers, and this association between ineffectiveness and long-term TM seems to me decidedly unproven and most probably untrue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the process of processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last months - I have tired also to make that point that if TM is actually as effective why do so many people quit? Why do so many people who do TM long term act like asses or become completely ineffective in life? Not everyone, but a lot do. I appreciate your posting these words. I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know what you think of this part: One other important point is that the mechanical repetition of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
that was hilarious - thanks for that - I needed a laugh today From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 5:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@... wrote: I have to argue with you on that - first of all I said not all, but a lot. Of course not all long term TM'ers are ineffective in life, just at not all TM teacher turn into unpleasant people like the TMO leaders often do - I have for example praised Jerry Jarvis with whom I had limited interaction but for his status in the Movement at the time he was a real fine fellow - he treated me and the other meditators at the Atlanta Center very well - he was not aloof, arrogant or dismissive of people who were not of his rank within the Movement. On the opposite end of the scale I also had dealings with Gene Speigel, Susan Humphries, Chris Crowell, Greg Wilson and his wife Georgina who were all aloof, arrogant, unpleasant and Georgina W. looked me right dead in my eyes and told me a flat out lie. The behavior of A LOT of long time TM'ers in leadership roles is not what one would expect of ANYONE who did TM if TM had the effect it is advertised to have. As a former MIU faulty member you cannot seriously deny the sloth and inefficiency that existed in that place and in most Movement facilites - the stories of this are legion - I am speaking from experience. I lived and and dealt with it on a daily basis. I acknowledge that there are long time TM'ers who are successful like Seinfeld. I don't know what it is that makes the phenomenon occur of the TM walking dead - but please don't deny it exists. There are too many people who post here who can vouch for the TM brain dead - having said that some of them I like and had good friendships with. MJ: TM does not work as advertized. RD: uh-huh... MJ: I've seen walking dead people. RD: uh-hun...continue... MJ: Stories of their slothfulness are legion. RD: How so? MJ: They are brain dead. RD: gasp I'm starting to get the picture. MJ: Earl Kaplan says they are disconnected from their hearts. RD: I've got it! MJ: Got what? RD: Zombies! You're talking about fucking Zombies! MJ: You're full of shit. RD: No, no, really. Listen, MJ we have to *do* something about this before it's too late. MJ: Too late for what? RD: The Zombie apocalypse. MJ: You're starting to scare me. RD: Don't you get it? Zombies eat brains! MJ: Yes! And TM makes you brain dead! OMG this is worse than I thought. RD: Exactly. MJ: What should we do? RD: Have dinner. MJ: What? RD: I'm thinking Fava beans and a nice Tuscan chianti. But the point is that TM is SUPPOSED to lead to excellence in action it is ADVERTISED to improve life in many respects including ones performance of one's allotted duty so to speak and IF TM were truly the universal balm universally appropriate for everyone with the same effect in everyone them we should expect that everyone should do TM and become as successful as Jerry Seinfeld and Clint Eastwood. TM proponents claim that TM leads to many physiological benefits like lower blood pressure, improved heart functioning and so forth. Is it out of bounds to assume that the mental/emotional and behavioral benefits advertised by the TMO would also be universally seen in all populations that do TM? Yet the benefits are not seen universally therefore I personally have no choice but to conclude that TM does not perform as advertised. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Just a quick reaction to this: just because people stop doing something doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't work or isn't doing them good. Exercise is a good example. How many people start exercise programs and discontinue them, even though they know it is good for them? With TM, you do have to make the time for it, and not everyone is willing to do that on a long-term basis. Also, the TM critics here seem to accept the idea that many long-term meditators are ineffective in life (as you put it). I'm not convinced of that at all. Recently Jerry Seinfeld was on ABC talking about his 40-year TM practice. Thousands of other very successful people are long-term TMers, and this association between ineffectiveness and long-term TM seems to me decidedly unproven and most probably untrue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the process of processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last months - I have tired also to make that point that if TM is actually as effective why do so many people quit? Why do so many people who do TM long term act like asses or become completely ineffective in life? Not everyone, but a lot
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[FairfieldLife] A Bright New Time Dawning!
Thank-you Maharishi! Jai Guru Deva! http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/editors-blog/2012/1230/Bad-news-is-loud.-Good-news-rules
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Guy walks into a bar (Was: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?)
Just a quick question here - the examples you used - did they really happen - please tell me the MSAE bake sale thing didn't happen??? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: You know, I've been thinking for years, why the world doesn't just jump on board with the whole TM/TMSP program, since it is just simply logical from a scientific POV. Then I was just thinking how many times i've asked a woman out, or tried to spark up a conversation and simply got the cold shoulder. I could easily come up with a hundred reasons why she shouldn't be so cold and distant. I could potentially be the best thing that ever happened to her. But that is all from a subjective point of view, no subjectivity whatsoever. First, maybe I should take a look at myself. Maybe I dress poorly, maybe my breath stinks, maybe i'm not as good looking as I think I am. Then I also have to check my personality. Maybe i'm coming off the wrong way, perhaps I'm using the same old pickup lines that simply turn women off. Maybe i'm being too aggressive and unnatural in the conversation. Then I also have to consider what this woman has been through. How many times has she had her heart broken by someone who looks and acts just like me? Is she divorced, is she a single mother just trying to make ends meet, has she been abused by men in the past? All these questions have to be asked before I run around with the attitude that this woman is so stupid not to pay attention to how awesome of a guy I am. I look at the TMO the same way. So many TB's simply spout off all the scientific research and how readily every society should just adopt TM immediately. The TMO seems to ask no serious questions of itself in terms of how they are coming off to the mass public. Below are some questions that I think are very important to ask before the TMO continues its campaign: 1. Does our behavior and personality of our TM Governors come off strange to people? 2. Does any of the video footage of our founder, MMY, perhaps scare off people when he praises dictators like Fidel Castro, among others? 3. Does the apparent apathy and sloth of TM/TMSP practitioners cause non TM'ers to doubt the validity of their claims to more effectiveness? 4. Does the TMO possess any similar traits to other cults that have led their members to mass death/suicide? 5. Does the TMO seem to come off too aggressive and unnatural in their plea for government to adopt TM? 6. Do some of the decisions made by the TMO that have screwed up other people's lives cause doubt about their intentions? (ex: a doctor packed up all his belongings and moved his practice to Boone, NC with an agreement to work at Heavenly Mountain, only to be denied at the last minute that his designated building would be utilized for something else, and he was no longer needed) 7. Do the financial dealings of the TMO give people any reason to be suspicious of their honesty (ex: bake sales for MSAE had money sent to India instead of MSAE). 8. Do some of the unreasonable demands of TM/TMSP practitioners in Fairfield cause non-TM'ers to look at them like they're idiots (ex: meditators wanted the city of Fairfield to adjust their garbage collection schedule according to the meditation time) These are only a fraction of questions I think should be asked. Don't get me wrong, i'd like to see TM practiced worldwide. But we're not going to convince anyone to jump on our bandwagon just by arguing our point of view. We have to take a hard look at ourselves too. We're not as awesome as we like to think we are. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: We have PROVEN EFFECTIVE work to do. Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of transcending benefits all areas of individual life�mind, body, behavior, and society. Make haste. Included in this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of practitioners of�the Transcending Meditation program�as few as 1% of a population�create a positive influence on society reducing crime, accidents and other negative trends. This overall increase of positivity in societal trends arises from the increasing purity in collective consciousness of the entire population created by hundreds of individuals experiencing the pure silence and peace of Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first discovered by scientists in 1974, was named the�Maharishi Effect�in honor of Maharishi who had predicted it more than a decade earlier. The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established a new
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: 'Most people find this much harder to do than the simple mantra practice; so why bother? The answer to that question has many sides to it. I will only discuss one here. But before I can do that, we need to first clarify an even deeper way in which mantra and mindfulness are related. Because mantra is a repetitive rhythm, it sets up periodic waves or vibrations in ones consciousness. Let me try to explain this with a somewhat crude metaphor. You are probably familiar with hand-held electrical vibrators that are used for massage. Imagine the effect of holding such a vibrator in contact with the surface of a pool of water. It would impart very regular pleasing patterns of ripples throughout the water. Focusing on those patterns of ripples could easily take you into a state of relaxation. This is one facet of how mantra works. Its repetitive nature sets up rhythmic ripples throughout the meditator's whole consciousness. The meditator then focuses on the regularity of those ripples and rides them into deeper and deeper levels of relaxation, concentration and integration. Xeno, are you a TM-teacher ? I ask because just as laudable the attempt from the above Buddhist to explain what TM is and how it works, anyone with direct experiece knows the above is incorrect. But I applaude that he at least t
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
There are women - Raj Rajeshwaris . 99 percent of what you read here is regurgitated fabrications. You can find out more in the Global Family Chat archives or by watching the broadcast most days if you are interested- channel 3 http://www.maharishichannel.in/index.php --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: So what is the scoop with the Rajas? Only rich men? No Ranis? Are millionaire women's money not good enough or are they too smart to wear those cheesy costumes and give their money away to the TMO? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a nothing technique that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice to their wives. It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten better as a human in that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so who knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do with their money and how they treat their minions. And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment in gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for more cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at least ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their gold turns the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to approach the rich with anything but hey, try the bean casserole. They smell your beggary from 100 feet away. So, on that level, I pity them, because they are always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only people like them to hob nob with. Vicious cycle that. Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be used to good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is just not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens physiological excitation, but I could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that. I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored? Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right? Ask L.B., right? The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual clarity -- tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any discussion of the fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's money/death, and on and on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't respect us or grant us any right to know about most of the movement's machinations. Here's one symbolic moment for me: on teacher training, Maharishi had a meeting that was sort of thrown together quickly in a very small venue and it turned out that people could sit right next to Maharishi, maybe only a 100 people in the room. This rich guy planks his ass down right next to Maharishi, and picks up Maharishi's hand and holds it! -- instead of listening he interrupted Maharishi several times to add his opinion to the words of Maharishi. Maharishi didn't even twitch, and none of his body guards did either -- they knew the master
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: 'Most people find this much harder to do than the simple mantra practice; so why bother? The answer to that question has many sides to it. I will only discuss one here. But before I can do that, we need to first clarify an even deeper way in which mantra and mindfulness are related. Because mantra is a repetitive rhythm, it sets up periodic waves or vibrations in ones consciousness. Let me try to explain this with a somewhat crude metaphor. You are probably familiar with hand-held electrical vibrators that are used for massage. Imagine the effect of holding such a vibrator in contact with the surface of a pool of water. It would impart very regular pleasing patterns of ripples throughout the water. Focusing on those patterns of ripples could easily take you into a state of relaxation. This is one facet of how mantra works. Its repetitive nature sets up rhythmic ripples throughout the meditator's whole consciousness. The meditator then focuses on the regularity of those ripples and rides them into deeper and deeper levels of relaxation, concentration and integration. Xeno, are you a TM-teacher ? I ask because just as laudable the attempt from the above Buddhist to explain what TM is and how it works, anyone with direct experience knows the above is incorrect. But I applaude that at least he tries.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Bright New Time Dawning!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote: Thank-you Maharishi! Jai Guru Deva! http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/editors-blog/2012/1230/Bad-news-is-loud.-Good-news-rules Nice find, thanks for posting this !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote: There are women - Raj Rajeshwaris . 99 percent of what you read here is regurgitated fabrications. You can find out more in the Global Family Chat archives or by watching the broadcast most days if you are interested- channel 3 http://www.maharishichannel.in/index.php When asked a question from FFL, Jerry Jarvis said he got all the information he needed from Maharishi Channel. Wise man.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Guy walks into a bar (Was: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?)
Ah ha ha ha ha. How much money do you have, seek liberation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: You know, I've been thinking for years, why the world doesn't just jump on board with the whole TM/TMSP program, since it is just simply logical from a scientific POV. Then I was just thinking how many times i've asked a woman out, or tried to spark up a conversation and simply got the cold shoulder. I could easily come up with a hundred reasons why she shouldn't be so cold and distant. I could potentially be the best thing that ever happened to her. But that is all from a subjective point of view, no subjectivity whatsoever. First, maybe I should take a look at myself. Maybe I dress poorly, maybe my breath stinks, maybe i'm not as good looking as I think I am. Then I also have to check my personality. Maybe i'm coming off the wrong way, perhaps I'm using the same old pickup lines that simply turn women off. Maybe i'm being too aggressive and unnatural in the conversation. Then I also have to consider what this woman has been through. How many times has she had her heart broken by someone who looks and acts just like me? Is she divorced, is she a single mother just trying to make ends meet, has she been abused by men in the past? All these questions have to be asked before I run around with the attitude that this woman is so stupid not to pay attention to how awesome of a guy I am. We're not as awesome as we like to think we are. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: We have PROVEN EFFECTIVE work to do. Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of transcending benefits all areas of individual lifemind, body, behavior, and society. Make haste. Included in this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of practitioners of the Transcending Meditation programas few as 1% of a populationcreate a positive influence on society reducing crime, accidents and other negative trends. This overall increase of positivity in societal trends arises from the increasing purity in collective consciousness of the entire population created by hundreds of individuals experiencing the pure silence and peace of Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first discovered by scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi who had predicted it more than a decade earlier. The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established a new formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful society, free from crime and problems. Time is progressive and time is upon us now. Do what you have to to come to meditation. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Take Heart and come back to meditation, come to meditation with us! Will you not help? Come show us your mettle. Take courage and come back to meditation. Come sit with us. There is great work to do. Proven and effective spiritual work here on Earth to do for good together. Put aside your fear. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: O ye of small experience we do have great work to do, For where two or three have come together in the Unified Field, The Field is there amidst them. Scientific research shows that even small groups of peace-creating meditators (as little as the square root of one percent of the population) can quietly transform trends in society from conflict and enmity to peace and cooperation. Love, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: The important thing is that ALL of it would be achieved without ever having to resort to that horrible thing that lesser-evolved souls have to rely on to achieve their dreams, W...W...WWORK. Can't have that. TMers (being so special and all) should just be able to sit (or bounce) on their fat butts and have it all Just Happen, because...uh...they're so special and all. That W-word is for losers; they should just be able to think HOE into existence.
[FairfieldLife] One of the top ten New Year's songs
Can you believe it? Put on your dancin' shoes. Ha hathe world didn't end yet. I'm waiting though; I'm ready. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vj092UgKwQ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death!
I've just started reading some of the comments regarding this thread since I last posted. I never cease to be amazed how a simple post can devolve into such bickering and name calling on a TM related forum. But to get to Share's question to me, I think the doctor pretty much touches on my view. The Jewish people have always separated themselves from the gentile, for whatever reason, and it seems to have caused resentment, for whatever reasons. The idea of land, resources, intelligence and economics plays a major role. I knew a meditater that is a member of some Aryan supremest group that has an actual hatred for Jews based on their intelligence and ability to *trick* people out of their money and not having any sense of loyalty to the greater community! Needless to say, he is a real admirer of Hitler and his thinking and reads David Duke, religiously. He often sites how Jacob *tricked* his father Isaac, into giving him the blessings of the older brother and taking advantage of his father-in-law's lack of knowledge, of genetics, concerning the breeding of goats. A sly, tricky, thief and he believes this is the nature of every Jew. Of course he doesn't admit a hatred for Jews, just an *understanding*, LOL! Personally, I tend to favor the Biblical quote God made to Abraham, I will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you. Of course, Jew haters would think that is more Jewish trickery. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death! I think your assumption about economics is closer to the truth. I have had first hand experience where a non-native group begins to control the economic circumstances of a native group, and it always leads to strife (in these cases, ethnic Indians vs. native Fijians, and ethnic Chinese vs. native Indonesians). Personally if I were Jewish, I'd also distance myself from the whole, chosen people thing - Anybody is going to be resented if they proclaim that they alone are the people chosen by God. Sets a bad precedent for future relationships.:-) --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Hi Mike, why do you think that happened? I'm wondering if they were the first group to espouse the idea of one God rather than many gods. Could that have been the reason? Or does it always come back to the land, resources and the economics of physical survival? In other words many others perceived them as a threat. PS Yahoo was very wonky yesterday in terms of sending posts to my email inbox. I often received replies to posts before I received the actual post. For example, I received comments on the movie review of Lincoln before I received the original post by Turq. I know I could use Message View but I prefer email. This means that sometimes my replies are written without my having seen certain posts that haven't come into inbox yet. Whatever! (-: From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com; mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Jews and Black Death!  Of course not. To my knowledge, it began with the Catholic Church, as far as European antisemitism goes. Of course Martin Luther continued what Catholics began. However, it seems hatred for Jews began long before Christianity came along, even among other Semites. From: card cardemaister@... To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Jews and Black Death!  As the Black Death epidemics devastated Europe in the mid-14th century, annihilating more than a half of the population, Jews were taken as scapegoats. Rumors spread that they caused the disease by deliberately poisoning wells. Hundreds of Jewish communities were destroyed by violence in the Black Death persecutions. Although Pope Clement VI tried to protect them by the July 6, 1348 papal bull and another 1348 bull, several months later, 900 Jews were burnt alive in Strasbourg, where the plague hadn't yet affected the city.[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jews#Christian_antisemitism So, is it fair to only blame the Nazis??
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread
thank you. I've been a consultant all my working life...it was an enormous amount of work, as I didn't do it on my own terms. We'll see. I'm so uninterested in what I used to do that I am worried, but I've cut my costs significantly over the last two years, and I'm not a materialist, but I do need to keep the house and retain some level of worthy benefits - I'm able and willing to work. I just really don't want to take my work home anymore. A government job would be delightful. Ha. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread I wouldn't give up looking for a job. But do be clever about it. Take your qualifications and look for emerging areas where your expertise can be applied. If age is an issue market yourself as a consultant not a job applicant. It's called transposition of skills and something not taught very well. IOW, they like to keep you a square peg that can only fit in square holes. On 12/30/2012 10:07 AM, Emily Reyn wrote: April? Why would I even look for a job, if I believed this prediction. It's lucky I have all my camping gear for me and the kids. I should buy more fuel for the stove probably. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread Bhairitu -- can you give us your estimate of the chances? 50% chance, 80% chance? What? If you do believe this, where are you putting your dollars for a hedge? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: And what will 2013 bring? How about the collapse of the dollar bringing the collapse of the US economy about April? That would bring massive rioting and hence why they want to collect guns now (sorry it has nothing to do with mentally unstable people shooting kids). This is not astrology but the logical progression of events. Time will tell.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
I used to tune in sometimes, when MMY was still live, and really liked it when he got around to answering questions. However, occasionally it would be a full, excruciating hour of either Bevan or Hagelin. Like attending what you think is a concert by, say, Led Zeppelin, only to see, instead, at the last minute, a Led Zep *tribute* band.:-) On the other hand, from Maharishi TV, I somehow recorded the entire coronation of the rajas ceremony, primarily Vedic Hymns, and that is priceless to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: There are women - Raj Rajeshwaris . 99 percent of what you read here is regurgitated fabrications. You can find out more in the Global Family Chat archives or by watching the broadcast most days if you are interested- channel 3 http://www.maharishichannel.in/index.php When asked a question from FFL, Jerry Jarvis said he got all the information he needed from Maharishi Channel. Wise man.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread to John
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I know Jim but why don't you explain to us give what has happened to the economy and what the banks have done how this prediction is going to play out. How is the US going to pull a rabbit out of a hat? Start WWIII? I've found just watching the patterns unfold (logical progressions) that are there for anyone who has open eyes more accurate than astrological charts. The latter tells you only what propensity there is for some events to happen. Astrology developed from civilizations using the position of the sun and moon to measure time and eventually they started using the planets as time keepers for recurring cycles in nature. Only the sun and moon have any effect on the planet and it people not any distant planet. But astrology is far more accurate than some WAG (Wild Ass Guess). Bhairitu, The American economy is making a transition just as it continuosly transforms its political system. The US chart is now running the mahadasha or major period of Mars, which represents the deficits and national debt that our politicians are trying to address. This transition is obviously affecting the effectiveness of the US economy. The decision relating to the fiscal cliff crisis may eventually help relieve the immediate worries of the American public. But the process of transformation will continue to adapt to the changing domestic and world economy. The turnaround in the economy will not be felt until the new major period of Rahu, which will start in October, 2015. It appears that the next presidential candidate will hold the key as to which direction the country will take for the next 18 years. JR On 12/30/2012 06:47 PM, John wrote: Bhairitu, Jim Kelleher, a well-known American jyotishi, researched this subject about the time in which the Declaration of Independence was signed on July 4, 1776 He found that the last delegate signed the document at about 6:30 PM in Philadelphia. Using this birth data, the US ascendant is Saggitarius. Personally, I find the chart to be consistent with the way the federal government is being operated these days and in the past. Specifcally, the US chart shows the practice of continual revolution in governance, which is seen today as elections of the president and the members of Congress. You should analyze the chart yourself and you'll find this to be true. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: You DO know that the US horoscope is the most hotly contested horoscope there is? Some astrologers took dates around July 4th while others point out that we didn't actually become a country until the Articles of Confederation were ratified. Much easier for India where astrologers were involved with the time that the country would be given over from the British. On 12/30/2012 02:37 PM, Share Long wrote: Plus Mars is exalted in the second house. Both malefics exalted has to be a good thing. Unless...unless Western astrology is more accurate and Card's Pluto square Uranus does us in. Anyway, maybe it explains why FFL is so quiet these days (-: John do you consider the outer planets at all? I know some jyotishis who do. From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 12/30/2012 06:23 AM, Duveyoung wrote: The cosmos is within us. We're made of star stuff. We are a way for the cosmos to know itself. -- Carl Sagan To which I seriously respond: Nope. It is from the Self that all this has come into being. The universe is perhaps describable as a mirror of its radiance, but the Self knows the Self and no mirror is needed. Now, I'll try to defend this statement. See modern science for details. Singularities, for instance. We know not the universe -- except for: Our faint awareness of the ridiculously tiny titch of it inside our ittty bitty brains. A billion, nay, billions and billions of years hence, even then, Carl would agree, so much would remain undiscovered by the best minds using the best instrumentalities -- the universe being so huge. When it comes to having ultimate knowledge, only the Self can be considered the final arbiter of truth, since it was from Self that all else arose. I sure didn't really actually know this, until way way way late in life. Mostly I said such things as a form of wishful thinking. Pssst: You want to know, right? I should just tell you now, right? You don't want to have DECADES of seeking before you too find out the hard way, right? Question: Are you sentient and reading these words right now? That
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: 'Most people find this much harder to do than the simple mantra practice; so why bother? The answer to that question has many sides to it. I will only discuss one here. But before I can do that, we need to first clarify an even deeper way in which mantra and mindfulness are related. Because mantra is a repetitive rhythm, it sets up periodic waves or vibrations in ones consciousness. Let me try to explain this with a somewhat crude metaphor. You are probably familiar with hand-held electrical vibrators that are used for massage. Imagine the effect of holding such a vibrator in contact with the surface of a pool of water. It would impart very regular pleasing patterns of ripples throughout the water. Focusing on those patterns of ripples could easily take you into a state of relaxation. This is one facet of how mantra works. Its repetitive nature sets up rhythmic ripples throughout the meditator's whole consciousness. The meditator then focuses on the regularity of those ripples and rides them into deeper and deeper levels of relaxation, concentration and integration. Xeno, are you a TM-teacher ? I ask because just as laudable the attempt from the above Buddhist to explain what TM is and how it works, anyone with direct experience knows the above is incorrect. But I applaude that at least he tries. Well, this is not how TM was explained to me, but it is someone else's attempt to understand it. This idea is nice, but I would say the part where he says the meditator 'focuses' is not correct. Most people who have not done TM tend to make that error of assuming there is some kind of focus. Actually there is, coming back to the mantra, but the aim is to make any adjustment in meditation as non focused as possible to avoid concentration, which you learn how from checking. However the idea of regularity of the ripples riding inward seems a plausible description, but it happens automatically, not by focus. Another mindfulness advocate, Adyashanti also makes a similar error in describing mantra meditation (he does not seem to write directly of TM), yet interestingly when he describes meditation, it sounds nearly exactly like TM in being non-concentrative, relaxed, and letting go, just minus a mantra, and he does not mind if people are using a mantra, he does not seem to mind if people are doing different kinds of meditation as long as there are results. There is always difficulty describing a mental process that is entirely experiential. In 1955 MMY referred to TM as 'mind control' though of course he did not mean control by virtue of force, but by virtue of a process that allows the mind to naturally collect itself. On the outer level however, in the TMO today and of yesterday, we see a lot of practices of mind control - not meditation - but systems that attempt to force conformity to various kinds of behaviour. Reminds me of George Orwell's novel 1984 with far more than a passing resemblance. I have this idea that the 'purity of the teaching' is really just knowing how to completely let go, something every great spiritual sage seems to know, but strange to say, there seems to be a lot of structure surrounding getting someone to experience how. But another factor seems to arise in spiritual movements as a result of that necessity of some kind of structured teaching. And that is what I call 'purity of the learning'. Somehow, spiritual organisations deteriorate in a way that involves seeing learners as objects which must conform to a certain view of how they understand a teaching, and that view is the view that 'the management' collectively holds to be true. As time goes on, if the practice is working, people become freer on the inside, but find the environment of the spiritual philosophy becoming more and more rigid and irrational and controlling. This is what a lot of meditators feel about the TMO, TM is great but the TMO - yuk! At some point this process of increasing rigidity and control implodes into the central tenets and practices for which the organisation was created and they become corrupted. So far TM, which is so very standarised in instruction has escaped this process. The increasing focus the organisation has on the memory and person of MMY though I think is a danger sign. Look what happened to Jesus. We do not know what he taught exactly. We know how the generations that followed viewed him and his mission, and if you compare the remaining records of what he supposedly said with the organisations that exist in his name today, the discrepancy is incredible. It is said in the Bible that Jesus would baptise one into spirit, not water, as John before him. So what could that have been? Maybe
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread
fwiw, the last two jobs I did were consulting - one for the Feds and one for a public utility. If you want to work for them, find a consulting co in your field that has such positions open - the Govt contracts out most everything these days. Once you are in as a consultant, and get your network set, transitioning into a permanent position is not difficult. To consult for Govt. or similar, you generally have to go through the same background stuff and skill validation, as you would once you go permanent, so it is a clean way in. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: thank you.  I've been a consultant all my working life...it was an enormous amount of work, as I didn't do it on my own terms.  We'll see.  I'm so uninterested in what I used to do that I am worried, but I've cut my costs significantly over the last two years, and I'm not a materialist, but I do need to keep the house and retain some level of worthy benefits - I'm able and willing to work.  I just really don't want to take my work home anymore.  A government job would be delightful.  Ha.  From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread  I wouldn't give up looking for a job. But do be clever about it. Take your qualifications and look for emerging areas where your expertise can be applied. If age is an issue market yourself as a consultant not a job applicant. It's called transposition of skills and something not taught very well. IOW, they like to keep you a square peg that can only fit in square holes. On 12/30/2012 10:07 AM, Emily Reyn wrote: April? Why would I even look for a job, if I believed this prediction. It's lucky I have all my camping gear for me and the kids. I should buy more fuel for the stove probably. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 -- The Year Of Unnecessary Dread Bhairitu -- can you give us your estimate of the chances? 50% chance, 80% chance? What? If you do believe this, where are you putting your dollars for a hedge? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: And what will 2013 bring? How about the collapse of the dollar bringing the collapse of the US economy about April? That would bring massive rioting and hence why they want to collect guns now (sorry it has nothing to do with mentally unstable people shooting kids). This is not astrology but the logical progression of events. Time will tell.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death! objectivity thx to Steve
Just saw Les Mis with my daughter, (wife wasn't feeling great). Don't listen to the negative reviews. Was excellent. I don't know how she (daughter) knows I was crying, when I don't see her looking over. Popcorn was good too. Real butter! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Hi Steve and thank you for calling me a kindred spirit. How I wish! Meaning that I wish I were as compassionate and balanced and humble as you are as indicated by your posts here on FFL. In this sense you are definitely a hero and role model, someone whom I would like to emulate more. A good New Year's resolution and appearing right on time (-:   As for objectivity, I think FFL has pretty much decided, and rightly so, that that does not exist. Anyway, wishing you and your family lots of laughter and deep contentment and good health in 2013. From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death!  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: What is it about Share, or your own character, that makes you feel it is necessary to be so defensive on her behalf, Steve? Is it because you think she is not capable of speaking for herself? no Is it because you feel she is treated worse than others on this forum? perhaps I think she is sometimes misunderstood, you know, in the same way Judy often chimes in when she feels Robin is misunderstood Is it because you have a soft spot for her yes, I do have a soft spot for her, because I think she is sharp as a tack, but is often the subject unfair comments, simply because she doesn't answer accusations in the way some people wish her to address accusations and just can't stand seeing anyone question or evaluate what she writes? I don't believe I intervene that often Do you lack objectivity? perhaps so. I am always open to the possibility that I am wrong about someone. I have never met Share personally, but yes I feel a kindred spirit. From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death! à Emily, I am not exactly sure what you are saying: if you are showing some undestanding about this statement Share made, or indicating she deserved the harsh responses she received? Here's the statement: Hi Mike, why do you think that [hatred of Jews] happened? I'm wondering if they were the first group to espouse the idea of one God rather than many gods. Could that have been the reason? I believe Barry has a deeper understanding than most of religions, their origins etc.à Okay, great.à Why not enlighten us, if there is some misconception? I mean if you ask 99% of people, Who discovered America, the answer would be Christopher Columbus.à I mean I'm not even sure who discoverd America.à But from what I've gathered in the last couple years, it wasn't CC. If you ask 99% of people, who came up with the idea of one God, the answer is going to be the Jews. Again, I'm not sure who came up with idea of One God. So, what's the value inà ridiculing someone who asks a question, or makes a statementà along these lines? Why not just provide a correction? Anyway, going to bed now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: You know, I ask a lot of stupid questions and throw out a lot of unenlightened bullshit. Ãâà I do this when my mind isn't working, I do it to get feedback, I do it to help myself think differently or more expansively about an issue. Ãâà I don't think piling on is the right phrase at all. Ãâà When people respond to a question or a POV thrown up here, they give all of us the opportunity to gain clarity, think more deeply about our belief system, question our assumptions, look at our logical or illogical train of thought, have a good laugh at ourselves and others', etc. Ãâà I see it as one of the primary gifts of FFL - that people are willing to communicate what they are really thinking. Ãâà It was a huge shock to me to see this here when I arrived. Ãâà It isn't how I experienced my life for many years - so many people are fear-based and too scared to say what their real reality is - they don't even know it themselves, they've protected themselves for so long and gotten stuck in righteousness and sheep mentality and blame and many other defense tactics. Ãâà They have no idea how to take responsibility for themselves, nor do they want to. Ãâà From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? 2Share
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 wrote: Good Lord but life can be so deep and sweet. It takes my breath away. So grateful... That's what I mean - kindred spirit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
Are you kidding? The schism has already taken place - there are former TM teachers all over the place who either teach their own brand of meditation or teach TM without the Movement and its re-certification which in my opinion was one of the sleazier moves M ever made - making tried and true teachers pay to get re-certified. I mean, Jerry Jarvis needs to get re-certified? March-y must-a needed to get one of his nephews a new gold Bently for his birthday. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: 'Most people find this much harder to do than the simple mantra practice; so why bother? The answer to that question has many sides to it. I will only discuss one here. But before I can do that, we need to first clarify an even deeper way in which mantra and mindfulness are related. Because mantra is a repetitive rhythm, it sets up periodic waves or vibrations in ones consciousness. Let me try to explain this with a somewhat crude metaphor. You are probably familiar with hand-held electrical vibrators that are used for massage. Imagine the effect of holding such a vibrator in contact with the surface of a pool of water. It would impart very regular pleasing patterns of ripples throughout the water. Focusing on those patterns of ripples could easily take you into a state of relaxation. This is one facet of how mantra works. Its repetitive nature sets up rhythmic ripples throughout the meditator's whole consciousness. The meditator then focuses on the regularity of those ripples and rides them into deeper and deeper levels of relaxation, concentration and integration. Xeno, are you a TM-teacher ? I ask because just as laudable the attempt from the above Buddhist to explain what TM is and how it works, anyone with direct experience knows the above is incorrect. But I applaude that at least he tries. Well, this is not how TM was explained to me, but it is someone else's attempt to understand it. This idea is nice, but I would say the part where he says the meditator 'focuses' is not correct. Most people who have not done TM tend to make that error of assuming there is some kind of focus. Actually there is, coming back to the mantra, but the aim is to make any adjustment in meditation as non focused as possible to avoid concentration, which you learn how from checking. However the idea of regularity of the ripples riding inward seems a plausible description, but it happens automatically, not by focus. Another mindfulness advocate, Adyashanti also makes a similar error in describing mantra meditation (he does not seem to write directly of TM), yet interestingly when he describes meditation, it sounds nearly exactly like TM in being non-concentrative, relaxed, and letting go, just minus a mantra, and he does not mind if people are using a mantra, he does not seem to mind if people are doing different kinds of meditation as long as there are results. There is always difficulty describing a mental process that is entirely experiential. In 1955 MMY referred to TM as 'mind control' though of course he did not mean control by virtue of force, but by virtue of a process that allows the mind to naturally collect itself. On the outer level however, in the TMO today and of yesterday, we see a lot of practices of mind control - not meditation - but systems that attempt to force conformity to various kinds of behaviour. Reminds me of George Orwell's novel 1984 with far more than a passing resemblance. I have this idea that the 'purity of the teaching' is really just knowing how to completely let go, something every great spiritual sage seems to know, but strange to say, there seems to be a lot of structure surrounding getting someone to experience how. But another factor seems to arise in spiritual movements as a result of that necessity of some kind of structured teaching. And that is what I call 'purity of the learning'. Somehow, spiritual organisations deteriorate in a way that involves seeing learners as objects which must conform to a certain view of how they understand a teaching, and that view is the view that 'the management' collectively holds to be true. As time goes on, if the practice is working, people become freer on the inside, but find the environment of the spiritual philosophy becoming more and more rigid and irrational and controlling. This is what a lot of meditators feel about the TMO, TM is great but the TMO - yuk! At some point this process of increasing rigidity and control implodes into the central tenets and practices for which the organisation was created and they become corrupted.
