[FairfieldLife] In space no one will hear you scream. Because you won't.....

2013-01-27 Thread salyavin808
20 amazing facts about the human body
Many of the most exciting discoveries in all fields of science are being
played out in the human body


* The Observer http://observer.guardian.co.uk/ , Sunday 27 January
2013
*

  [Nude of a woman] From DNA to the atoms inside us, the human body is a
scientific marvel. Photograph: David Smith/Alamy1 APPENDIX TO LIFE [body
appendix]
The appendix gets a bad press. It is usually treated as a body part that
lost its function millions of years ago. All it seems to do is
occasionally get infected and cause appendicitis. Yet recently it has
been discovered that the appendix is very useful to the bacteria
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/mar/04/appendix-store-beneficial\
-bacteria  that help your digestive system function. They use it to get
respite from the strain of the frenzied activity of the gut, somewhere
to breed and help keep the gut's bacterial inhabitants topped up. So
treat your appendix with respect.
2 SUPERSIZED MOLECULES
Practically everything we experience is made up of molecules. These vary
in size from simple pairs of atoms, like an oxygen molecule, to complex
organic structures. But the biggest molecule in nature resides in your
body. It is chromosome 1. A normal human cell has 23 pairs of
chromosomes in its nucleus, each a single, very long, molecule of DNA.
Chromosome 1 is the biggest, containing around 10bn atoms, to pack in
the amount of information that is encoded in the molecule.
3 ATOM COUNT
It is hard to grasp just how small the atoms that make up your body are
until you take a look at the sheer number of them. An adult is made up
of around 7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (7 octillion) atoms.
4 FUR LOSS [body chimp]
It might seem hard to believe, but we have about the same number of
hairs on our bodies as a chimpanzee, it's just that our hairs are
useless, so fine they are almost invisible. We aren't sure quite why we
lost our protective fur. It has been suggested that it may have been to
help early humans sweat more easily, or to make life harder for
parasites such as lice and ticks, or even because our ancestors were
partly aquatic.

But perhaps the most attractive idea is that early humans needed to
co-operate more when they moved out of the trees into the savanna. When
animals are bred for co-operation, as we once did with wolves to produce
dogs, they become more like their infants. In a fascinating 40-year
experiment starting in the 1950s, Russian foxes were bred for docility.
Over the period, adult foxes become more and more like large cubs,
spending more time playing, and developing drooping ears, floppy tails
and patterned coats. Humans similarly have some characteristics of
infantile apes – large heads, small mouths and, significantly here,
finer body hair.

5 GOOSEBUMP EVOLUTION http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/evolution 
[body goosebumps]
Goosepimples are a remnant of our evolutionary predecessors. They occur
when tiny muscles around the base of each hair tense, pulling the hair
more erect. With a decent covering of fur, this would fluff up the coat,
getting more air into it, making it a better insulator. But with a
human's thin body hair, it just makes our skin look strange.

Similarly we get the bristling feeling of our hair standing on end when
we are scared or experience an emotive memory. Many mammals fluff up
their fur when threatened, to look bigger and so more dangerous. Humans
used to have a similar defensive fluffing up of their body hairs, but
once again, the effect is now ruined. We still feel the sensation of
hairs standing on end, but gain no visual bulk.
6 SPACE TRAUMA [body astronaut]
If sci-fi movies were to be believed, terrible things would happen if
your body were pushed from a spaceship without a suit. But it's mostly
fiction. There would be some discomfort as the air inside the body
expanded, but nothing like the exploding body parts Hollywood loves.
Although liquids do boil in a vacuum, your blood is kept under pressure
by your circulatory system and would be just fine. And although space is
very cold, you would not lose heat particularly quickly. As Thermos
flasks demonstrate, a vacuum is a great insulator.

In practice, the thing that will kill you in space is simply the lack of
air. In 1965 a test subject's suit sprang a leak in a Nasa vacuum
chamber. The victim, who survived, remained conscious for around 14
seconds. The exact survival limit isn't known, but would probably be one
to two minutes.
7 ATOMIC COLLAPSE
The atoms that make up your body are mostly empty space, so despite
there being so many of them, without that space you would compress into
a tiny volume. The nucleus that makes up the vast bulk of the matter in
an atom is so much smaller than the whole structure that it is
comparable to the size of a fly in a cathedral. If you lost all your
empty atomic space, your body would fit into a cube less than 1/500th of
a centimetre on each side. Neutron stars are made up of matter that 

[FairfieldLife] Indo-Uralic languages?

2013-01-27 Thread card

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Uralic

Indo-Uralic is a proposed language family consisting of Indo-European and 
Uralic.

A genetic relationship between Indo-European and Uralic was first proposed by 
the Danish linguist Vilhelm Thomsen in 1869 (Pedersen 1931:336) but was 
received with little enthusiasm. Since then, the predominant opinion in the 
linguistic community has remained that the evidence for such a relationship is 
insufficient. However, quite a few prominent linguists have always taken the 
contrary view (e.g. Henry Sweet, Holger Pedersen, Björn Collinder, Warren 
Cowgill, Jochem Schindler, Eugene Helimski and Gert Klingenschmitt).

There are two distinct questions here (cf. Greenberg 2005:325):

Are Indo-European and Uralic genetically related?
If so, do Indo-European and Uralic constitute a valid genetic node? The 
Eurasiatic and Nostratic hypotheses both consider Indo-European and Uralic (or 
Uralic–Yukaghir) to be genetically related. However, the Indo-Uralic hypothesis 
in the strict sense is distinct from this: it maintains that Indo-European and 
Uralic have an especially close genetic relationship, and does not necessarily 
include assertions that Indo-European and Uralic are related to any other 
language families.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread salyavin808


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:

 Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given your's and Barry's and 
 MJ's victimization the full respect, adoration and drama it deserves! 
 
 Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we add that to the 
 list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it rolled under a sofa, and you 
 couldn't get at it? THAT'S going on the list TOO!
 
 Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number of times YOUR 
 CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
 
 I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just plain Medieval 
 TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered at the hands of the TMO and 
 Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust pales in comparison!
 
 MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, 
 what was I thinking?!?!  

Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
  your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
  adoration and drama it deserves! 
  
  Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
  add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
  rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
  going on the list TOO!
  
  Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
  of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
  
  I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
  plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
  at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
  pales in comparison!
  
  MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
  BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!  
 
 Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.

And almost completely unaware of it. All while
considering himself enlightened. 

Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
demonization instead?

I have to believe that the reason is that they
are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
be perceived as negative. They are probably
so superstitious that they think Bad Things
will happen to them if they do. :-)





[FairfieldLife] The Lament of the Gopis for Krishna

2013-01-27 Thread martin.quickman
Krishna's Song is a deeply profound piece of writing. I like this translation 
into English and feel it deserves a place in our hearts. Radha though is not a 
woman but is the manifestation of Krishna-bhakti . In response to the question, 
How devoted should one be?` the Naradbhaktisutra writes, Like the Gopis 
(Cowherd Girls) of Vraj.  In reality , these Gopis are incarnations of Rishis.

http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2013/01/27/krishna-song-the-gopis-lament-inspiritual-quotations/



[FairfieldLife] Zero loads?

2013-01-27 Thread card

Anyone know, how many Android- and iPhone apps there are
with zero or very few loads?



[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lament of the Gopis for Krishna

2013-01-27 Thread card


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martin.quickman  wrote:

 Krishna's Song is a deeply profound piece of writing. I like this translation 
 into English and feel it deserves a place in our hearts. Radha though is not 
 a woman but is the manifestation of Krishna-bhakti . In response to the 
 question, How devoted should one be?` the Naradbhaktisutra writes, Like 
 the Gopis (Cowherd Girls) of Vraj.  In reality , these Gopis are 
 incarnations of Rishis.
 
 http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2013/01/27/krishna-song-the-gopis-lament-inspiritual-quotations/


Why on earth are they so bloody blond?? Almost like albinos! :o

Well,

The Aryans who were much fairer in colour than the aborigines
of India are the Devas referred to in the name Devanagari (from
'div' 'to shine', those of a brilliant complexion);

- Kale, A Higher Sanskrit Grammar, Bombay 1894



[FairfieldLife] Dawg with a costly obsession!

2013-01-27 Thread card

http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2013012616603469_uu.shtml



[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  I can honestly say I went on a lot of residence courses, and was never 
  asked to donate money, or purchase *anything*. Wasn't a perfect experience, 
  but this rapaciousness you attribute to the reps of the TMO was just never 
  present whenever I interacted with them. Not once, during major national 
  courses, residence courses, or working for the TMO on staff, was I ever 
  asked for donations, or to get the next big thing. This is some tape loop 
  in your head, that does not match reality. And you know what they say, 
  where there's smoke, there's fire...:-)
 
 Ah, so we imagined it all. Fascinating evasion.

I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during decades in 
the TMO.
So far we only have your version of this.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread salyavin808


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
   your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
   adoration and drama it deserves! 
   
   Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
   add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
   rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
   going on the list TOO!
   
   Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
   of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
   
   I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
   plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
   at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
   pales in comparison!
   
   MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
   BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!  
  
  Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
 
 And almost completely unaware of it. All while
 considering himself enlightened. 
 
 Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
 refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
 their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
 demonization instead?

Yes, you probably can tell you're in a cult when you 
make excuses for the people ripping you off.
 
 I have to believe that the reason is that they
 are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
 say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
 be perceived as negative. They are probably
 so superstitious that they think Bad Things
 will happen to them if they do. :-)

We haven't heard at least the money goes to a good
cause. Which I have heard a lot in the TMO when they
raised some amount for something that never happened.

But not rocking the boat for fear of incurring some
sort of wrath from the course office or International
seemed to be the main motivating factor to me. Can't
have people unstressing and disturbing the other
CPs. That and the weird idea that if the TMO does it 
then it must be right even if we don't understand it
yet!



[FairfieldLife] Re: In space no one will hear you scream. Because you won't.....

2013-01-27 Thread salyavin808


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 Salyavin, as I read this tiny muscles around the base of each hair folicle 
 tensed and the hair stood up.  But that's ok because I now know that 
 whenever I'm sitting, I'm also floating.

And no sutra required!

  Yay!  BTW, you and Bob Price tie for Best Post of 2013 IMHO (-:
 
 
 
 
 
 
  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] In space no one will hear you scream. Because you 
 won't.
  
 
   
 20 amazing facts about the human body
 Many of the most exciting discoveries in all fields of science are being 
 played out in the human body
 
 
   * The Observer,  Sunday 27 January 2013
   * 
 
 From DNA to the atoms inside us, the human body is a scientific marvel. 
 Photograph: David Smith/Alamy
 1 APPENDIX TO LIFE
 The appendix gets a bad press. It is usually treated as a body part that lost 
 its function millions of years ago. All it seems to do is occasionally get 
 infected and cause appendicitis. Yet recently it has been discovered that 
 the appendix is very useful to the bacteria that help your digestive system 
 function. They use it to get respite from the strain of the frenzied activity 
 of the gut, somewhere to breed and help keep the gut's bacterial inhabitants 
 topped up. So treat your appendix with respect.
 2 SUPERSIZED MOLECULES
 Practically everything we experience is made up of molecules. These vary in 
 size from simple pairs of atoms, like an oxygen molecule, to complex organic 
 structures. But the biggest molecule in nature resides in your body. It is 
 chromosome 1. A normal human cell has 23 pairs of chromosomes in its 
 nucleus, each a single, very long, molecule of DNA. Chromosome 1 is the 
 biggest, containing around 10bn atoms, to pack in the amount of information 
 that is encoded in the molecule.
 3 ATOM COUNT
 It is hard to grasp just how small the atoms that make up your body are until 
 you take a look at the sheer number of them. An adult is made up of around 
 7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (7 octillion) atoms.
 4 FUR LOSS
 It might seem hard to believe, but we have about the same number of hairs on 
 our bodies as a chimpanzee, it's just that our hairs are useless, so fine 
 they are almost invisible. We aren't sure quite why we lost our protective 
 fur. It has been suggested that it may have been to help early humans sweat 
 more easily, or to make life harder for parasites such as lice and ticks, or 
 even because our ancestors were partly aquatic.
 But perhaps the most attractive idea is that early humans needed to 
 co-operate more when they moved out of the trees into the savanna. When 
 animals are bred for co-operation, as we once did with wolves to produce 
 dogs, they become more like their infants. In a fascinating 40-year 
 experiment starting in the 1950s, Russian foxes were bred for docility. Over 
 the period, adult foxes become more and more like large cubs, spending more 
 time playing, and developing drooping ears, floppy tails and patterned coats. 
 Humans similarly have some characteristics of infantile apes †large heads, 
 small mouths and, significantly here, finer body hair.
 
 5 GOOSEBUMP EVOLUTION
 Goosepimples are a remnant of our evolutionary predecessors. They occur when 
 tiny muscles around the base of each hair tense, pulling the hair more erect. 
 With a decent covering of fur, this would fluff up the coat, getting more air 
 into it, making it a better insulator. But with a human's thin body hair, it 
 just makes our skin look strange.
 Similarly we get the bristling feeling of our hair standing on end when we 
 are scared or experience an emotive memory. Many mammals fluff up their fur 
 when threatened, to look bigger and so more dangerous. Humans used to have a 
 similar defensive fluffing up of their body hairs, but once again, the effect 
 is now ruined. We still feel the sensation of hairs standing on end, but gain 
 no visual bulk.
 6 SPACE TRAUMA
 If sci-fi movies were to be believed, terrible things would happen if your 
 body were pushed from a spaceship without a suit. But it's mostly fiction. 
 There would be some discomfort as the air inside the body expanded, but 
 nothing like the exploding body parts Hollywood loves. Although liquids do 
 boil in a vacuum, your blood is kept under pressure by your circulatory 
 system and would be just fine. And although space is very cold, you would not 
 lose heat particularly quickly. As Thermos flasks demonstrate, a vacuum is a 
 great insulator.
 In practice, the thing that will kill you in space is simply the lack of air. 
 In 1965 a test subject's suit sprang a leak in a Nasa vacuum chamber. The 
 victim, who survived, remained conscious for around 14 seconds. The exact 
 survival limit isn't known, but would probably be one to two minutes.
 7 ATOMIC COLLAPSE
 The 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Ann


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   I can honestly say I went on a lot of residence courses, and was never 
   asked to donate money, or purchase *anything*. Wasn't a perfect 
   experience, but this rapaciousness you attribute to the reps of the TMO 
   was just never present whenever I interacted with them. Not once, during 
   major national courses, residence courses, or working for the TMO on 
   staff, was I ever asked for donations, or to get the next big thing. This 
   is some tape loop in your head, that does not match reality. And you know 
   what they say, where there's smoke, there's fire...:-)
  
  Ah, so we imagined it all. Fascinating evasion.
 
 I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during decades 
 in the TMO.

Maybe you haven't been a part of the TMO at all, took a wrong turn somewhere on 
the way to your first introductory lecture and ended up at some other 
meditation centre all these years. What else could explain how so many others 
here have such a different experience than you?

 So far we only have your version of this.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Ann


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
   your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
   adoration and drama it deserves! 
   
   Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
   add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
   rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
   going on the list TOO!
   
   Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
   of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
   
   I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
   plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
   at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
   pales in comparison!
   
   MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
   BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!  
  
  Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
 
 And almost completely unaware of it. All while
 considering himself enlightened. 
 
 Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
 refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
 their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
 demonization instead?
 
 I have to believe that the reason is that they
 are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
 say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
 be perceived as negative. They are probably
 so superstitious that they think Bad Things
 will happen to them if they do. :-)

Barry, the Master of the Sweeping Generalization.






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Jackson
Why on earth would anyone make up something like that? There are far too many 
stories that abound about unethical behavior on the part of the TMO for people 
to have to make any up.





 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
who brought it up
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  I can honestly say I went on a lot of residence courses, and was never 
  asked to donate money, or purchase *anything*. Wasn't a perfect experience, 
  but this rapaciousness you attribute to the reps of the TMO was just never 
  present whenever I interacted with them. Not once, during major national 
  courses, residence courses, or working for the TMO on staff, was I ever 
  asked for donations, or to get the next big thing. This is some tape loop 
  in your head, that does not match reality. And you know what they say, 
  where there's smoke, there's fire...:-)
 
 Ah, so we imagined it all. Fascinating evasion.

I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during decades in 
the TMO.
So far we only have your version of this.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Jackson
They subconsciously identify themselves with the glory of an enlightened 
person, and enlightened organization. Since they identify themselves with the 
idea of such a delightful energy, they CANNOT question the person and 
organization because to do so means they have to question the very fabric of 
their own identity - too scary to do. You see the same thing when people 
identify with their social status, amount of money they have or their sports 
team.





 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 4:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
who brought it up
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
  your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
  adoration and drama it deserves! 
  
  Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
  add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
  rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
  going on the list TOO!
  
  Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
  of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
  
  I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
  plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
  at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
  pales in comparison!
  
  MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
  BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?! 
 
 Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.

And almost completely unaware of it. All while
considering himself enlightened. 

Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
demonization instead?

I have to believe that the reason is that they
are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
be perceived as negative. They are probably
so superstitious that they think Bad Things
will happen to them if they do. :-)


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   I can honestly say I went on a lot of residence courses, and was never 
   asked to donate money, or purchase *anything*. Wasn't a perfect 
   experience, but this rapaciousness you attribute to the reps of the TMO 
   was just never present whenever I interacted with them. Not once, during 
   major national courses, residence courses, or working for the TMO on 
   staff, was I ever asked for donations, or to get the next big thing. This 
   is some tape loop in your head, that does not match reality. And you know 
   what they say, where there's smoke, there's fire...:-)
  
  Ah, so we imagined it all. Fascinating evasion.
 
 I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during decades 
 in the TMO.
 So far we only have your version of this.


And with your heavy issues with the TMO in general you have 0 credibility on 
this. Add to this that the only two who backs your story is two with perhaps 
even greater issues, MJ and the Turq which making your story stink from the 
psychiatrist's office and back.



Re: [FairfieldLife] To Share, with Ambiance to Michael...

2013-01-27 Thread Share Long
...with ambient temperature around 70 F 21 C but with risings and fallings here 
and there just for the fun of it, the yin yang of diversity, the play of light 
and darkness, etc.  Thanks for your replies and sense of humor.  I like that 
phrase rustic ambiance.  Will give footnote if I use elsewhere.

You ask what do I propose so that this sort of thing doesn't happen again.  
I've talked about such at least once before but maybe that was before your 
arrival here.  Anyway, I'm doing it.  I go to the Dome twice a day every day.  
I work on my own issues, charges, etc.  I drive a friend to the doctor and take 
notes for her as he talks.  I stay in close touch with my Mom and family.  I 
pay taxes and donate to Heifer etc.  This is what I do to help the world be a 
happier place for all.  


On another level, I grok that the world is wonderful just the way it is.  
Except I won't say that to my brother in law whose mother just died yesterday, 
wasted away from colon cancer.  She was one of my favorite women in the world.  
Raised on Long Island.  Katherine Hepburn looks and Sandra Bullock personality, 
all feisty and funny.  Bore 5 daughters and 5 sons.  Married for over 60 years 
to a g man.  The world is less without her.

And yet it is perfect just the way it is.

Anyway, Mr. MJ, I will continue to wish you happiness and good health.  And 
yes, a glorious future too (-:     




 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:52 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] To Share, with Ambiance
 

  
Share said - For example, I 
think and yes, it is my opinion, that how you rearrange Maharishi's name 
indicates something more than simply stating a fact.  And yes, I do think your 
choice of John Jones is also indicative of 
something more than simply stating the facts.  Such choices and such 
wordingscontribute to what I call the tone of a post.  And it is the tone that 
to me 
suggests whether or not and to what degree a person is operating under a 
charge, an issue.

My reply - Guilty as charged! As to my refusal to name the Srivastavas boys' 
uncle as a great holy sage, my understanding is that the term maharishi means 
great sage or rishi, often taken to mean great holy sage or rishi. In my 
opinion, he was neither holy nor a rishi - as I have often said here on FFL and 
had it ignored by my detractors, I think he was powerful, intelligent, nearly a 
genius in some respects, an orator of great ability and truly charismatic.

But he was not a maharishi and I will not generally call him such.

As to the John Jones analogy (which was brilliant of me, I must admit!) does 
create a certain rustic ambiance to my Maha and TMO posts, but I don't 
characterize them as negative.

You certainly have not offended me - I learned early on that if one wants to 
participate here on FFL, one had best expect to receive a verbal mauling every 
now and again - but your remarks are not offensive to
 me.

Share said - And yes, I understand that you also want to prevent such in the 
future. 
 We simply differ in our opinions as to how to go about doing that.

My reply - So how do you propose that this sort of thing doesn't happen again?

And to be clear, it's not that I want the TMO to be what it has always claimed 
to be since I know that isn't gonna happen even tho Buck and others hold out 
the hope that the TMO leaders will one day wake up and begin to reverse a 58 
year tradition of acting like asses and trampling over everyone to get at the 
money and power (how's that for ambiance?)

What I want is for the general non-meditating public to turn their backs on the 
TMO and ignore the smarmy David Lynch entreaties to learn TM, the old-timers 
will either stop doing TM or after they drop their mortal coil the TMO will 
have zero income so that the Srivastavas boys will begin to raid all Movement 
assets all over the world as they are doing in India. 

Bevan, Tony and all the rajas will freak when they realize the nephews
 aren't gonna give them a cut anymore and lawsuits will fly fast and furious 
back and forth across the Great Water, Bevan will be arrested by local 
constabulary after he attempts to prevent the new owners of MUM from evicting 
him, clutching his favorite easy chair as the movers drag it out of his 
quarters. The TMO will become a footnote in history - then we get to see who 
goes
 down in the history books as the last living practitioner of TM.

Ahhh, vision of the future! How glorious! 




 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Co$ in the news again.to Michael again
 

  
Hi Michael, thanks for your reply.  FFL has been a learning experience for me 
too.  Just to clarify, I don't think you are the creator of negative 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   I can honestly say I went on a lot of residence courses, 
   and was never asked to donate money, or purchase 
   *anything*. Wasn't a perfect experience, but this 
   rapaciousness you attribute to the reps of the TMO 
   was just never present whenever I interacted with 
   them. Not once, during major national courses, 
   residence courses, or working for the TMO on staff, 
   was I ever asked for donations, or to get the next 
   big thing. This is some tape loop in your head, 
   that does not match reality. And you know what 
   they say, where there's smoke, there's fire...:-)
  
  Ah, so we imagined it all. Fascinating evasion.
 
 I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY 
 course during decades in the TMO.
 So far we only have your version of this.

Nabby, what on Earth gives you the impression that
anyone here believes *anything* you say, let alone
anything you say about the TMO and Maharishi? 

I believe that Jimbo honestly believes that he doesn't
remember anything being sold to him on residence
courses, but IMO that's just because he has a demon-
strably selective memory. That and the fact that he
1) probably never had any money for them to want in
the form of donations, and 2) he was never that 
involved with the TMO in the first place. 

As for you, I suspect you're just lying, as you often
do when things you don't want discussed about the
TMO come up. 

Me, I experienced sales pitches on courses *dozens*
of times over the years. The first, of course, were
for advanced techniques (which weren't) and for
TTC. Then for the Sidhis, first pitched to a group
of us on an ATR course at Cobb Mountain in a two-
hour presentation, presided over by teachers sent
directly from Switzerland, under instructions from
Maharishi to sell exactly what they were selling --
the Next Big Thing. 

I left long before any of the other silly add on
products that TBs fell for appeared on the scene. 
Things like Ayurveda and S-V houses and WPA courses 
and stuff like that. But I have heard enough stories 
from those who stuck around longer than I did that 
these products were indeed pitched to people on long 
rounding courses as well. 

Pretending that this didn't happen just doesn't cut
it. It *did* happen, and my bet is that the vast
majority of readers of this forum know this, whether
they're speaking up or not. My bet is that it's
*still* happening. 

So the bottom line is that the organization that
considered rounders in such a fragile state of mind
that they weren't allowed to leave the course premises
and were required to have buddies to keep track of
them every minute of the day ALSO considered them
fair game while in this fragile state for their 
sales pitches. 

This indicates to me a certain hypocrisy and insensi-
tivity on the part of the TM organization, if not
outright greed and cult blindness. 

YMMV. 

If it does, why not chime in on this thread? 

Those who feel that they can defend this behavior 
on the part of the TMO, please do. 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:

 Why on earth would anyone make up something like that? 
 There are far too many stories that abound about unethical 
 behavior on the part of the TMO for people to have to 
 make any up.

According to Nabby, anyone who says such things is on
the payroll of the CIA, or the Dalai Lama. I don't know
about you, but if this is true, my payroll checks have
been lost in the mail.  :-)

More seriously, there are a number of people here whose
world view is so precarious that they believe that anyone
who says anything that threatens that world view is
attacking them. They're terrified of allowing the (in
their view) heretical ideas into their awareness, so 
they either retreat into nostalgic ideas of the move-
ment and ignore them, or play Kill the messenger and
try to suppress them.

I think it's sad, and if this mindset is the legacy of
the decades they've spent meditating, an even sadder one.

 
  From: nablusoss1008 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:42 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
 who brought it up
  
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   I can honestly say I went on a lot of residence courses, and was never 
   asked to donate money, or purchase *anything*. Wasn't a perfect 
   experience, but this rapaciousness you attribute to the reps of the TMO 
   was just never present whenever I interacted with them. Not once, during 
   major national courses, residence courses, or working for the TMO on 
   staff, was I ever asked for donations, or to get the next big thing. This 
   is some tape loop in your head, that does not match reality. And you know 
   what they say, where there's smoke, there's fire...:-)
  
  Ah, so we imagined it all. Fascinating evasion.
 
 I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during decades 
 in the TMO.
 So far we only have your version of this.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread salyavin808


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   I can honestly say I went on a lot of residence courses, and was never 
   asked to donate money, or purchase *anything*. Wasn't a perfect 
   experience, but this rapaciousness you attribute to the reps of the TMO 
   was just never present whenever I interacted with them. Not once, during 
   major national courses, residence courses, or working for the TMO on 
   staff, was I ever asked for donations, or to get the next big thing. This 
   is some tape loop in your head, that does not match reality. And you know 
   what they say, where there's smoke, there's fire...:-)
  
  Ah, so we imagined it all. Fascinating evasion.
 
 I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during decades 
 in the TMO.
 So far we only have your version of this.


OK Nab, it's obviously easier for you to believe it never 
happened than for you to face an unpalatable truth.
Reading between those lines it's obvious you think it's
wrong too.

So here's the question: what would you have said if you
had been there?



[FairfieldLife] Getting Over Spiritual Nostalgia

2013-01-27 Thread turquoiseb
Like many here, I have many pleasant memories of my time in the TM
movement. The camaraderie of friends who shared a similar vision and a
similar goal. The joys of teaching, especially (for me) the advanced
lectures that really weren't, but which gave one the opportunity to
hear a question that one didn't know the answer to, and then have an
answer form *anyway*, synthesized from 20 bits of seemingly unrelated
information gleaned over a lifetime. Even the boatrides. For those who
don't get the joke, boatride became a TMO synonym for something that
is hyped as a Big Event but in reality is a total letdown, standing
around for hours in the cold waiting for something -- anything -- to
happen.

And like many here, I smile both outwardly and inwardly when I remember
these shiny moments. Just as I do when I remember the positive moments
from the Rama trip. And there were *far* more of those moments in that
environment than in the TMO; it was a rare week when there *wasn't* a
standout Class A Spiritual Or Fun Experience to savor and enjoy.

When these moments come back to me, I enjoy them and smile and then let
them go. What I *don't* do is ever seek them out or *try* to remember
them. The reason is that I've seen far too many of my fellow seekers
along the Way do just that as a form of driving away other, less
pleasant memories of the same period, or the same teacher, or the same
organization.

I see it all the time. Someone will mention one of the undeniably less
than pleasant facts about a teacher we shared, and a certain number of
listeners will immediately counter with a pleasant memory of the same
teacher, as if that would drive away the facts that they don't want to
hear. I know people who -- almost 15 years later -- still have never
been able to utter the words, Rama committed suicide. Instead, when
someone else says it, they immediately counter with a story about a
more pleasant memory.

I guess it's better than the other cult deflection technique, which is
to attack the person who brought up the factual memory they don't want
to deal with, and attempt to portray that person as somehow damaged or
possessed of evil intent for even bringing it up.

But still, one of the cult phenomena that *still* leaves me rolling my
eyes, even after all these years of observing it in person or on the
Internet, is the unwillingness of many people to even *entertain*
thoughts that contradict their nostalgic memories. It's like they
consider having thoughts that could be portrayed as doubt -- doubt in
the teacher they studied with, or in his/her teachings, or whatever --
to be a Bad Thing.

I don't feel that dealing with facts is a Bad Thing. I think it's a Good
Thing, and a damned sight better *for you* than ignoring them.

But pay no attention to me. This is just a Sunday afternoon rap over a
pint of Murphy's Red at my local pub. However, you might want to
remember this rap the next time either of the cult deflection techniques
I've mentioned are used here. If you do, notice that they seem to
immediately follow someone bringing up Topics That Make Them
Uncomfortable.

Some will try to deflect these topics by trying to steer the
conversation to Something Else -- Anything Else. For some of these
deflecters, that will mean attempting to steer the conversation in the
direction of an attack on the people who brought up the Taboo Subject.
For others, it will be trying to launch Yet Another Nostaliafest about
the Beatles, or some Maharishi quote that they like, or something else
in the past.

But it's all the same technique if you ask me. It's called avoidance.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread salyavin808


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:

 Why on earth would anyone make up something like that? There are far too many 
 stories that abound about unethical behavior on the part of the TMO for 
 people to have to make any up.

Apart from the waste of a nice sunny afternoon it would be to invent stories, 
I'm well aware I could be sued for spreading falsehoods 
like this.


 
  From: nablusoss1008 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:42 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
 who brought it up
  
 
   
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   I can honestly say I went on a lot of residence courses, and was never 
   asked to donate money, or purchase *anything*. Wasn't a perfect 
   experience, but this rapaciousness you attribute to the reps of the TMO 
   was just never present whenever I interacted with them. Not once, during 
   major national courses, residence courses, or working for the TMO on 
   staff, was I ever asked for donations, or to get the next big thing. This 
   is some tape loop in your head, that does not match reality. And you know 
   what they say, where there's smoke, there's fire...:-)
  
  Ah, so we imagined it all. Fascinating evasion.
 
 I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during decades 
 in the TMO.
 So far we only have your version of this.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Zero loads?

2013-01-27 Thread Alex Stanley


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card  wrote:

 
 Anyone know, how many Android- and iPhone apps there are
 with zero or very few loads?

 
In this context, what is a load? It sounds like you're asking about apps that 
few or no people have loaded into their phones, but somehow that just doesn't 
sound right. But, if that is what you're inquiring about... Google Play doesn't 
give precise numbers of installs, but I did I sniff around and find a pretty 
obscure app:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.concentriclivers.donate

If that link doesn't work, do a Google search on Donate to Tim Hutt

Installs 10 - 50

Did I just waste my time writing this post? In all likelihood, yes. But, it's a 
rainy, ice stormy, Sunday morning, and I'm just sitting here, sipping a mug of 
Coffea arabica rasayana, waiting for the far infrared sauna to warm up, so it's 
not like I have anything better to do.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread doctordumbass
I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though you can be lead through 
life however you choose. Yes, I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU **EVER** 
FORGET IT!:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
   your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
   adoration and drama it deserves! 
   
   Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
   add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
   rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
   going on the list TOO!
   
   Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
   of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
   
   I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
   plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
   at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
   pales in comparison!
   
   MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
   BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!  
  
  Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
 
 And almost completely unaware of it. All while
 considering himself enlightened. 
 
 Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
 refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
 their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
 demonization instead?
 
 I have to believe that the reason is that they
 are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
 say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
 be perceived as negative. They are probably
 so superstitious that they think Bad Things
 will happen to them if they do. :-)





[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Buck
The unbounded faith which conservative Meditators have in their own 
principles, and the way they regard the principles and practices of other 
techniques, approach intolerance on their part.  They believe they are guided 
to their convictions by the Spirit of Truth, and they really think they have 
arrived at absolutely correct conclusions, and that any other opinions are 
wrong.  They think that all who differ from them would agree with them if they 
had sufficient light….
-Buck

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
 
  Why on earth would anyone make up something like that? There are far too 
  many stories that abound about unethical behavior on the part of the TMO 
  for people to have to make any up.
 
 Apart from the waste of a nice sunny afternoon it would be to invent stories, 
 I'm well aware I could be sued for spreading falsehoods 
 like this.
 
 
  
   From: nablusoss1008 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:42 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the 
  people who brought it up
   
  
    
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
   
I can honestly say I went on a lot of residence courses, and was never 
asked to donate money, or purchase *anything*. Wasn't a perfect 
experience, but this rapaciousness you attribute to the reps of the TMO 
was just never present whenever I interacted with them. Not once, 
during major national courses, residence courses, or working for the 
TMO on staff, was I ever asked for donations, or to get the next big 
thing. This is some tape loop in your head, that does not match 
reality. And you know what they say, where there's smoke, there's 
fire...:-)
   
   Ah, so we imagined it all. Fascinating evasion.
  
  I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during decades 
  in the TMO.
  So far we only have your version of this.
 




[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Buck
The unbounded faith which conservative Meditators have in their own 
principles, and the way they regard the principles and practices of other 
techniques, approach intolerance on their part.  They believe they are guided 
to their convictions by the Spirit of Truth, and they really think they have 
arrived at absolutely correct conclusions, and that any other opinions are 
wrong.  They think that all who differ from them would agree with them if they 
had sufficient light….
-Buck

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
 
  Why on earth would anyone make up something like that? 
  There are far too many stories that abound about unethical 
  behavior on the part of the TMO for people to have to 
  make any up.
 
 According to Nabby, anyone who says such things is on
 the payroll of the CIA, or the Dalai Lama. I don't know
 about you, but if this is true, my payroll checks have
 been lost in the mail.  :-)
 
 More seriously, there are a number of people here whose
 world view is so precarious that they believe that anyone
 who says anything that threatens that world view is
 attacking them. They're terrified of allowing the (in
 their view) heretical ideas into their awareness, so 
 they either retreat into nostalgic ideas of the move-
 ment and ignore them, or play Kill the messenger and
 try to suppress them.
 
 I think it's sad, and if this mindset is the legacy of
 the decades they've spent meditating, an even sadder one.
 
  
   From: nablusoss1008 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:42 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the 
  people who brought it up
   
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
   
I can honestly say I went on a lot of residence courses, and was never 
asked to donate money, or purchase *anything*. Wasn't a perfect 
experience, but this rapaciousness you attribute to the reps of the TMO 
was just never present whenever I interacted with them. Not once, 
during major national courses, residence courses, or working for the 
TMO on staff, was I ever asked for donations, or to get the next big 
thing. This is some tape loop in your head, that does not match 
reality. And you know what they say, where there's smoke, there's 
fire...:-)
   
   Ah, so we imagined it all. Fascinating evasion.
  
  I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during decades 
  in the TMO.
  So far we only have your version of this.
 




[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread obbajeeba
FFL, the endless battle of who did what, and how come I am not fucking 
enlightened yet. 


Hey Bob, the link you put at the end of your post below on this thread, it does 
not work if one lives in the States. I love Purple rain to go along with those 
purple high stretch stiletto boots, please share a link we can see from here, 
the States.. Emily would most likely appreciate it too!
  The mention in a post to the Turq, I do not live in Fairfield, and not in 
Manhattan (deduct my non response of 72nd and 4th)(nor the L train from 
Willamsburg) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhgjEObtrWE  Oh,Give me a ticket on 
an Air-o-plane.  you now have minus three areas I may or may not live,at 
certain times. :)
I live in my skin, the blanket of FFL. You guys and ladies, are my warmth. :)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:

 MILAREPA once sent three of his devotees, each with a
 
 blanket, into the mountains of Tibet with the instruction to not return until
 they had mastered their inner heat. 
 
 
 The monks found an ice field, laid out their blankets, and
 began to mediate; windstorms and angry blizzards pummeled the three adherents 
 and
 covered them with ice and snow, but the three continued to mediate without 
 interruption.
 
 
 Finally, after ten years had passed, one of the monks opened
 his eyes and glared at the monk beside him and angrily shouted: 
 
 
 You're sitting on my blanket!
 
 
 The angry monk then closed his eyes and the three continued to mediate. 
 
 
 More wind, snow and ice storms hit the mountain and froze the
 monks solid, but still they continued their practice without interruption.
 
 
 After another ten years had passed the second monk opened his eyes and 
 shouted:
 
 
 No I'm not!
 
 
 The second angry monk then closed his eyes again, and the
 three continued to mediate peacefully. 
 
 
 
 More blizzards and wind storms hit the mountain and covered
 the three monks with freezing rain and snow; the howling wind was deafening,
 and at times the three mediating monks were encased in solid blocks of ice, 
 but
 they remained immoveable and continued to mediate uninterrupted.
 
 
 
 Finally, after another ten years had passed (making it
 thirty years since they had arrived), the third monk suddenly jumped up, 
 grabbed
 his blanket, and ran down the mountain, back to the monastery where MILAREPA 
 was waiting. 
 
 
 
 MILAREPA asked the devotee:
 
 
 
 Why have you returned, have you mastered your inner heat?
 
 
 
 And the third monk answered:
 
 
 
 No master, I'm back because I got sick and tired of all the bickering and 
 fighting!
 
 
 
 
 For OBBA:
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bydB3-k-qU
 
 
 
 
 
 From: turquoiseb 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:21 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who 
 brought it up
 
 
 
 Just so this doesn't get buried inside a topic many
 people weren't reading, here it is with a new title,
 and under a new thread.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
   
   What makes you think that this negatively charged tone
   is in THEM? It seems to me that a large number of people
   *project* such things ONTO the TM critics, because they're
   heavily attached to Maharishi and TM, and *their* buttons
   got pushed. They're experiencing emotions inside themselves
   that they perceive as negative, so they project the source
   of that perceived negativity onto the critic. 
  
  To expand upon this, Share, here's what I saw happen
  in this thread about the fundraising for Vedaland. 
  
  Based upon what Michael and Salyavin have said about
  this incident, it seems clear that the TM organization
  not only was guilty of selling shares in a venture they
  knew was not going to happen because Doug was dying,
  they did so *on long-term residence courses*, sending
  people to solicit partnerships/donations from people
  who were rounding, and thus had been instructed to
  not make any serious decisions while rounding. 
  
  OK, that strikes me as a pretty big WTF moment.
  
  And so far, in my quick re-read of the thread, it seems
  that other than Michael, Salyavin and myself, no one
  from the still-loyal-to-TM camp has really commented
  *on the issue itself*. Buck came the closest. 
  
  Most others have been playing one form or another of
  Kill the messenger, either suggesting that something
  is wrong with Michael or the other critics, or that
  something was wrong with their tone, that it was
  negative.
  
  Here's what I think. 
  
  The negativity is in the Kill the messenger types.
  They heard something *that they didn't want to hear*. 
  It caused cognitive dissonance in them. They knew that
  if they dealt with it directly and said what this news
  made them *feel* about the organization they've been
  part of for so long, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting Over Spiritual Nostalgia

2013-01-27 Thread doctordumbass
My actions may be all about avoidance to you, yet your actions SCREAM addiction 
and obsession and drama queenery to me, always whining and screeching about 
what the TMO and Maharishi did or did not do. WTF? Grow up - let it go.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 Like many here, I have many pleasant memories of my time in the TM
 movement. The camaraderie of friends who shared a similar vision and a
 similar goal. The joys of teaching, especially (for me) the advanced
 lectures that really weren't, but which gave one the opportunity to
 hear a question that one didn't know the answer to, and then have an
 answer form *anyway*, synthesized from 20 bits of seemingly unrelated
 information gleaned over a lifetime. Even the boatrides. For those who
 don't get the joke, boatride became a TMO synonym for something that
 is hyped as a Big Event but in reality is a total letdown, standing
 around for hours in the cold waiting for something -- anything -- to
 happen.
 
 And like many here, I smile both outwardly and inwardly when I remember
 these shiny moments. Just as I do when I remember the positive moments
 from the Rama trip. And there were *far* more of those moments in that
 environment than in the TMO; it was a rare week when there *wasn't* a
 standout Class A Spiritual Or Fun Experience to savor and enjoy.
 
 When these moments come back to me, I enjoy them and smile and then let
 them go. What I *don't* do is ever seek them out or *try* to remember
 them. The reason is that I've seen far too many of my fellow seekers
 along the Way do just that as a form of driving away other, less
 pleasant memories of the same period, or the same teacher, or the same
 organization.
 
 I see it all the time. Someone will mention one of the undeniably less
 than pleasant facts about a teacher we shared, and a certain number of
 listeners will immediately counter with a pleasant memory of the same
 teacher, as if that would drive away the facts that they don't want to
 hear. I know people who -- almost 15 years later -- still have never
 been able to utter the words, Rama committed suicide. Instead, when
 someone else says it, they immediately counter with a story about a
 more pleasant memory.
 
 I guess it's better than the other cult deflection technique, which is
 to attack the person who brought up the factual memory they don't want
 to deal with, and attempt to portray that person as somehow damaged or
 possessed of evil intent for even bringing it up.
 
 But still, one of the cult phenomena that *still* leaves me rolling my
 eyes, even after all these years of observing it in person or on the
 Internet, is the unwillingness of many people to even *entertain*
 thoughts that contradict their nostalgic memories. It's like they
 consider having thoughts that could be portrayed as doubt -- doubt in
 the teacher they studied with, or in his/her teachings, or whatever --
 to be a Bad Thing.
 
 I don't feel that dealing with facts is a Bad Thing. I think it's a Good
 Thing, and a damned sight better *for you* than ignoring them.
 
 But pay no attention to me. This is just a Sunday afternoon rap over a
 pint of Murphy's Red at my local pub. However, you might want to
 remember this rap the next time either of the cult deflection techniques
 I've mentioned are used here. If you do, notice that they seem to
 immediately follow someone bringing up Topics That Make Them
 Uncomfortable.
 
 Some will try to deflect these topics by trying to steer the
 conversation to Something Else -- Anything Else. For some of these
 deflecters, that will mean attempting to steer the conversation in the
 direction of an attack on the people who brought up the Taboo Subject.
 For others, it will be trying to launch Yet Another Nostaliafest about
 the Beatles, or some Maharishi quote that they like, or something else
 in the past.
 
 But it's all the same technique if you ask me. It's called avoidance.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread doctordumbass
Ohbe, you don't live in California either.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:

 FFL, the endless battle of who did what, and how come I am not fucking 
 enlightened yet. 
 
 
 Hey Bob, the link you put at the end of your post below on this thread, it 
 does not work if one lives in the States. I love Purple rain to go along with 
 those purple high stretch stiletto boots, please share a link we can see from 
 here, the States.. Emily would most likely appreciate it too!
   The mention in a post to the Turq, I do not live in Fairfield, and not in 
 Manhattan (deduct my non response of 72nd and 4th)(nor the L train from 
 Willamsburg) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhgjEObtrWE  Oh,Give me a ticket 
 on an Air-o-plane.  you now have minus three areas I may or may not live,at 
 certain times. :)
 I live in my skin, the blanket of FFL. You guys and ladies, are my warmth. :)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
 
  MILAREPA once sent three of his devotees, each with a
  
  blanket, into the mountains of Tibet with the instruction to not return 
  until
  they had mastered their inner heat. 
  
  
  The monks found an ice field, laid out their blankets, and
  began to mediate; windstorms and angry blizzards pummeled the three 
  adherents and
  covered them with ice and snow, but the three continued to mediate without 
  interruption.
  
  
  Finally, after ten years had passed, one of the monks opened
  his eyes and glared at the monk beside him and angrily shouted: 
  
  
  You're sitting on my blanket!
  
  
  The angry monk then closed his eyes and the three continued to mediate. 
  
  
  More wind, snow and ice storms hit the mountain and froze the
  monks solid, but still they continued their practice without interruption.
  
  
  After another ten years had passed the second monk opened his eyes and 
  shouted:
  
  
  No I'm not!
  
  
  The second angry monk then closed his eyes again, and the
  three continued to mediate peacefully. 
  
  
  
  More blizzards and wind storms hit the mountain and covered
  the three monks with freezing rain and snow; the howling wind was deafening,
  and at times the three mediating monks were encased in solid blocks of ice, 
  but
  they remained immoveable and continued to mediate uninterrupted.
  
  
  
  Finally, after another ten years had passed (making it
  thirty years since they had arrived), the third monk suddenly jumped up, 
  grabbed
  his blanket, and ran down the mountain, back to the monastery where 
  MILAREPA was waiting. 
  
  
  
  MILAREPA asked the devotee:
  
  
  
  Why have you returned, have you mastered your inner heat?
  
  
  
  And the third monk answered:
  
  
  
  No master, I'm back because I got sick and tired of all the bickering and 
  fighting!
  
  
  
  
  For OBBA:
  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bydB3-k-qU
  
  
  
  
  
  From: turquoiseb 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:21 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
  who brought it up
  
  
  
  Just so this doesn't get buried inside a topic many
  people weren't reading, here it is with a new title,
  and under a new thread.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

What makes you think that this negatively charged tone
is in THEM? It seems to me that a large number of people
*project* such things ONTO the TM critics, because they're
heavily attached to Maharishi and TM, and *their* buttons
got pushed. They're experiencing emotions inside themselves
that they perceive as negative, so they project the source
of that perceived negativity onto the critic. 
   
   To expand upon this, Share, here's what I saw happen
   in this thread about the fundraising for Vedaland. 
   
   Based upon what Michael and Salyavin have said about
   this incident, it seems clear that the TM organization
   not only was guilty of selling shares in a venture they
   knew was not going to happen because Doug was dying,
   they did so *on long-term residence courses*, sending
   people to solicit partnerships/donations from people
   who were rounding, and thus had been instructed to
   not make any serious decisions while rounding. 
   
   OK, that strikes me as a pretty big WTF moment.
   
   And so far, in my quick re-read of the thread, it seems
   that other than Michael, Salyavin and myself, no one
   from the still-loyal-to-TM camp has really commented
   *on the issue itself*. Buck came the closest. 
   
   Most others have been playing one form or another of
   Kill the messenger, either suggesting that something
   is wrong with Michael or the other critics, or that
   something was wrong with their tone, that it was
   negative.
   
   Here's what I think. 
   
   The negativity is in the Kill the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: In space no one will hear you scream. Because you won't.....

2013-01-27 Thread doctordumbass
Thanks for this! Completely fascinating - I guess we don't look any bigger to a 
foe with hair standing on end, so we invented guns, padded shoulders and 
platform shoes.

Also saw something on TV recently about how neanderthal DNA has been 
incorporated into ours. Apparently those with the highest concentrations of 
neanderthal DNA are on the island of Cyprus - I think theirs was 5%.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 20 amazing facts about the human body
 Many of the most exciting discoveries in all fields of science are being
 played out in the human body
 
 
 * The Observer  , Sunday 27 January
 2013
 *
 
   [Nude of a woman] From DNA to the atoms inside us, the human body is a
 scientific marvel. Photograph: David Smith/Alamy1 APPENDIX TO LIFE [body
 appendix]
 The appendix gets a bad press. It is usually treated as a body part that
 lost its function millions of years ago. All it seems to do is
 occasionally get infected and cause appendicitis. Yet recently it has
 been discovered that the appendix is very useful to the bacteria

  -bacteria  that help your digestive system function. They use it to get
 respite from the strain of the frenzied activity of the gut, somewhere
 to breed and help keep the gut's bacterial inhabitants topped up. So
 treat your appendix with respect.
 2 SUPERSIZED MOLECULES
 Practically everything we experience is made up of molecules. These vary
 in size from simple pairs of atoms, like an oxygen molecule, to complex
 organic structures. But the biggest molecule in nature resides in your
 body. It is chromosome 1. A normal human cell has 23 pairs of
 chromosomes in its nucleus, each a single, very long, molecule of DNA.
 Chromosome 1 is the biggest, containing around 10bn atoms, to pack in
 the amount of information that is encoded in the molecule.
 3 ATOM COUNT
 It is hard to grasp just how small the atoms that make up your body are
 until you take a look at the sheer number of them. An adult is made up
 of around 7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (7 octillion) atoms.
 4 FUR LOSS [body chimp]
 It might seem hard to believe, but we have about the same number of
 hairs on our bodies as a chimpanzee, it's just that our hairs are
 useless, so fine they are almost invisible. We aren't sure quite why we
 lost our protective fur. It has been suggested that it may have been to
 help early humans sweat more easily, or to make life harder for
 parasites such as lice and ticks, or even because our ancestors were
 partly aquatic.
 
 But perhaps the most attractive idea is that early humans needed to
 co-operate more when they moved out of the trees into the savanna. When
 animals are bred for co-operation, as we once did with wolves to produce
 dogs, they become more like their infants. In a fascinating 40-year
 experiment starting in the 1950s, Russian foxes were bred for docility.
 Over the period, adult foxes become more and more like large cubs,
 spending more time playing, and developing drooping ears, floppy tails
 and patterned coats. Humans similarly have some characteristics of
 infantile apes – large heads, small mouths and, significantly here,
 finer body hair.
 
 5 GOOSEBUMP EVOLUTION  
 [body goosebumps]
 Goosepimples are a remnant of our evolutionary predecessors. They occur
 when tiny muscles around the base of each hair tense, pulling the hair
 more erect. With a decent covering of fur, this would fluff up the coat,
 getting more air into it, making it a better insulator. But with a
 human's thin body hair, it just makes our skin look strange.
 
 Similarly we get the bristling feeling of our hair standing on end when
 we are scared or experience an emotive memory. Many mammals fluff up
 their fur when threatened, to look bigger and so more dangerous. Humans
 used to have a similar defensive fluffing up of their body hairs, but
 once again, the effect is now ruined. We still feel the sensation of
 hairs standing on end, but gain no visual bulk.
 6 SPACE TRAUMA [body astronaut]
 If sci-fi movies were to be believed, terrible things would happen if
 your body were pushed from a spaceship without a suit. But it's mostly
 fiction. There would be some discomfort as the air inside the body
 expanded, but nothing like the exploding body parts Hollywood loves.
 Although liquids do boil in a vacuum, your blood is kept under pressure
 by your circulatory system and would be just fine. And although space is
 very cold, you would not lose heat particularly quickly. As Thermos
 flasks demonstrate, a vacuum is a great insulator.
 
 In practice, the thing that will kill you in space is simply the lack of
 air. In 1965 a test subject's suit sprang a leak in a Nasa vacuum
 chamber. The victim, who survived, remained conscious for around 14
 seconds. The exact survival limit isn't known, but would probably be one
 to two minutes.
 7 ATOMIC COLLAPSE
 The atoms that make up your body are mostly empty space, so despite
 there being so many of them, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread obbajeeba
I agree, there is no reason to make up anything. It takes time to come to 
decipher what happened and what really happened. Where is one today as well as 
where were they yesterday. Keeping the positive attitude or positive feelings 
cannot deduct the truth. 
It is easy to sit in the cushy cotton jar, and not know you are in there. Un 
stressing occurs on the program and off the program, that in itself gives 
question to what is happening as someone ways the magic wand. 
I like my meditation. It is the organization that needs an overhaul and 
abolishing the bells and whistle sales techniques, because that only attracts 
people who could not make it anywhere else and get an upper hand at being 
something, in the organization, thereby securing the abuses of competitive, 
better than thou imperfections as the negativity is ignored awhile the 
admiration of kalashes on corner posts of homes and vastu, the golden cow is 
worshiped? 
Having reviewed my past almost 20 years meditating, it is good to take that 
step back, as an artist does to find that plumb line. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:

 Why on earth would anyone make up something like that? There are far too many 
 stories that abound about unethical behavior on the part of the TMO for 
 people to have to make any up.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: nablusoss1008 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:42 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
 who brought it up
  
 
   
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   I can honestly say I went on a lot of residence courses, and was never 
   asked to donate money, or purchase *anything*. Wasn't a perfect 
   experience, but this rapaciousness you attribute to the reps of the TMO 
   was just never present whenever I interacted with them. Not once, during 
   major national courses, residence courses, or working for the TMO on 
   staff, was I ever asked for donations, or to get the next big thing. This 
   is some tape loop in your head, that does not match reality. And you know 
   what they say, where there's smoke, there's fire...:-)
  
  Ah, so we imagined it all. Fascinating evasion.
 
 I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during decades 
 in the TMO.
 So far we only have your version of this.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:

 I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
 you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
 I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
 **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)

I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
convince those people that the moon was made of green
cheese. :-)

And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
about Jim's enlightened status, and who believes it,
to chime in and agree with me. 

Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
   
Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
adoration and drama it deserves! 

Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
going on the list TOO!

Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!

I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
pales in comparison!

MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!  
   
   Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
  
  And almost completely unaware of it. All while
  considering himself enlightened. 
  
  Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
  refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
  their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
  demonization instead?
  
  I have to believe that the reason is that they
  are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
  say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
  be perceived as negative. They are probably
  so superstitious that they think Bad Things
  will happen to them if they do. :-)
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread doctordumbass
LOL - Gotcha!! ...and I told you I had a naughty side, but you just don't 
listen, do ya?...Let's try it again -- HEY BARRY, I AM ENLIGHTENED, AND DON'T 
YOU **EVER** FORGET IT!!!:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
  you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
  I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
  **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
 
 I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
 it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
 this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
 that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
 convince those people that the moon was made of green
 cheese. :-)
 
 And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
 about Jim's enlightened status, and who believes it,
 to chime in and agree with me. 
 
 Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
 and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
 you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:

 Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
 your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
 adoration and drama it deserves! 
 
 Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
 add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
 rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
 going on the list TOO!
 
 Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
 of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
 
 I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
 plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
 at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
 pales in comparison!
 
 MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
 BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!  

Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
   
   And almost completely unaware of it. All while
   considering himself enlightened. 
   
   Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
   refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
   their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
   demonization instead?
   
   I have to believe that the reason is that they
   are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
   say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
   be perceived as negative. They are probably
   so superstitious that they think Bad Things
   will happen to them if they do. :-)
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread obbajeeba
That is debatable. There is a string attached, and it tells the tales similar 
to the Grapes of Wrath..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:

 Ohbe, you don't live in California either.:-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
 
  FFL, the endless battle of who did what, and how come I am not fucking 
  enlightened yet. 
  
  
  Hey Bob, the link you put at the end of your post below on this thread, it 
  does not work if one lives in the States. I love Purple rain to go along 
  with those purple high stretch stiletto boots, please share a link we can 
  see from here, the States.. Emily would most likely appreciate it too!
The mention in a post to the Turq, I do not live in Fairfield, and not in 
  Manhattan (deduct my non response of 72nd and 4th)(nor the L train from 
  Willamsburg) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhgjEObtrWE  Oh,Give me a 
  ticket on an Air-o-plane.  you now have minus three areas I may or may not 
  live,at certain times. :)
  I live in my skin, the blanket of FFL. You guys and ladies, are my warmth. 
  :)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
  
   MILAREPA once sent three of his devotees, each with a
   
   blanket, into the mountains of Tibet with the instruction to not return 
   until
   they had mastered their inner heat. 
   
   
   The monks found an ice field, laid out their blankets, and
   began to mediate; windstorms and angry blizzards pummeled the three 
   adherents and
   covered them with ice and snow, but the three continued to mediate 
   without interruption.
   
   
   Finally, after ten years had passed, one of the monks opened
   his eyes and glared at the monk beside him and angrily shouted: 
   
   
   You're sitting on my blanket!
   
   
   The angry monk then closed his eyes and the three continued to mediate. 
   
   
   More wind, snow and ice storms hit the mountain and froze the
   monks solid, but still they continued their practice without interruption.
   
   
   After another ten years had passed the second monk opened his eyes and 
   shouted:
   
   
   No I'm not!
   
   
   The second angry monk then closed his eyes again, and the
   three continued to mediate peacefully. 
   
   
   
   More blizzards and wind storms hit the mountain and covered
   the three monks with freezing rain and snow; the howling wind was 
   deafening,
   and at times the three mediating monks were encased in solid blocks of 
   ice, but
   they remained immoveable and continued to mediate uninterrupted.
   
   
   
   Finally, after another ten years had passed (making it
   thirty years since they had arrived), the third monk suddenly jumped up, 
   grabbed
   his blanket, and ran down the mountain, back to the monastery where 
   MILAREPA was waiting. 
   
   
   
   MILAREPA asked the devotee:
   
   
   
   Why have you returned, have you mastered your inner heat?
   
   
   
   And the third monk answered:
   
   
   
   No master, I'm back because I got sick and tired of all the bickering 
   and fighting!
   
   
   
   
   For OBBA:
   
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bydB3-k-qU
   
   
   
   
   
   From: turquoiseb 
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:21 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
   who brought it up
   
   
   
   Just so this doesn't get buried inside a topic many
   people weren't reading, here it is with a new title,
   and under a new thread.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
 What makes you think that this negatively charged tone
 is in THEM? It seems to me that a large number of people
 *project* such things ONTO the TM critics, because they're
 heavily attached to Maharishi and TM, and *their* buttons
 got pushed. They're experiencing emotions inside themselves
 that they perceive as negative, so they project the source
 of that perceived negativity onto the critic. 

To expand upon this, Share, here's what I saw happen
in this thread about the fundraising for Vedaland. 

Based upon what Michael and Salyavin have said about
this incident, it seems clear that the TM organization
not only was guilty of selling shares in a venture they
knew was not going to happen because Doug was dying,
they did so *on long-term residence courses*, sending
people to solicit partnerships/donations from people
who were rounding, and thus had been instructed to
not make any serious decisions while rounding. 

OK, that strikes me as a pretty big WTF moment.

And so far, in my quick re-read of the thread, it seems
that other than Michael, Salyavin and myself, no one
from the still-loyal-to-TM camp has really commented
*on the issue itself*. Buck came the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread seventhray27

Barry, Jim's enlightenment is parve.  Meaning what does it
matter,whether he is, or he isn't?  You can go either way with it.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
 
  I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though
  you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes,
  I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU
  **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)

 I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
 it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
 this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
 that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
 convince those people that the moon was made of green
 cheese. :-)

 And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
 about Jim's enlightened status, and who believes it,
 to chime in and agree with me.

 Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
 and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
 you have a learning diability. Just sayin'... :-)

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:

 Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given
 your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect,
 adoration and drama it deserves!

 Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we
 add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it
 rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S
 going on the list TOO!

 Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number
 of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!

 I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just
 plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered
 at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust
 pales in comparison!

 MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS,
 BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!
   
Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
  
   And almost completely unaware of it. All while
   considering himself enlightened.
  
   Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
   refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
   their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
   demonization instead?
  
   I have to believe that the reason is that they
   are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
   say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
   be perceived as negative. They are probably
   so superstitious that they think Bad Things
   will happen to them if they do. :-)
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:

 Barry, Jim's enlightenment is parve. Meaning what does 
 it matter,whether he is, or he isn't?  

It obviously matters a great deal to him. 

 You can go either way with it.

Of course you can. But my point is the same as it's ever
been -- why on Earth would you choose to demean the concept
of enlightenment by assuming that someone with Jimbo's 
posting history represents it? 

For example, I've never, ever claimed to be enlightened,
but he's claimed I have. That's called lying. If you believe
that Jimbo is enlightened, then you believe that the enlight-
ened lie. 

Jimbo has also in the past ranted that the things he says
are true by definition because he says them. The reasoning
for this, one assumes, is that the enlightened have the
ability to discern truth. That said, he has claimed that
the Buddha -- someone who didn't believe in the concept
of God -- said God is love. Doesn't that make you go a 
little WTF?  :-)

Don't get me wrong...Jim has the right to indulge in 
whatever narcissistic fantasies he wants to. It's just
that in doing so he diminishes and embarrasses the entire
history of the belief in enlightenment, so I give him
shit about it, so he'll do more of it. He never fails
to disappoint.  :-)


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
  
   I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though
   you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes,
   I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU
   **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
 
  I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
  it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
  this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
  that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
  convince those people that the moon was made of green
  cheese. :-)
 
  And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
  about Jim's enlightened status, and who believes it,
  to chime in and agree with me.
 
  Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
  and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
  you have a learning diability. Just sayin'... :-)
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
 
  Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given
  your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect,
  adoration and drama it deserves!
 
  Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we
  add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it
  rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S
  going on the list TOO!
 
  Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number
  of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
 
  I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just
  plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered
  at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust
  pales in comparison!
 
  MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS,
  BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!

 Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
   
And almost completely unaware of it. All while
considering himself enlightened.
   
Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
demonization instead?
   
I have to believe that the reason is that they
are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
be perceived as negative. They are probably
so superstitious that they think Bad Things
will happen to them if they do. :-)
   
  
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Jackson
I'm out of the loop as to who is enlightened and who isn't - I don't even know 
the Doctor's real name - I thought he was the real Doctor Who.





 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:48 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
who brought it up
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:

 I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
 you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
 I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
 **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)

I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
convince those people that the moon was made of green
cheese. :-)

And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
about Jim's enlightened status, and who believes it,
to chime in and agree with me. 

Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
   
Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
adoration and drama it deserves! 

Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
going on the list TOO!

Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!

I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
pales in comparison!

MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?! 
   
   Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
  
  And almost completely unaware of it. All while
  considering himself enlightened. 
  
  Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
  refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
  their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
  demonization instead?
  
  I have to believe that the reason is that they
  are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
  say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
  be perceived as negative. They are probably
  so superstitious that they think Bad Things
  will happen to them if they do. :-)
 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread doctordumbass
Dude, you are giving me WAY TOO MUCH CREDIT, regarding any demeaning of the 
concept of enlightenment, simply because my words may be seen by about 20 
people, total, and that's generous, and second, more importantly, WHAT THE FUCK 
IS A CONCEPT OF ENLIGHTENMENT? Are you a moodmaker, or what... 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:
 
  Barry, Jim's enlightenment is parve. Meaning what does 
  it matter,whether he is, or he isn't?  
 
 It obviously matters a great deal to him. 
 
  You can go either way with it.
 
 Of course you can. But my point is the same as it's ever
 been -- why on Earth would you choose to demean the concept
 of enlightenment by assuming that someone with Jimbo's 
 posting history represents it? 
 
 For example, I've never, ever claimed to be enlightened,
 but he's claimed I have. That's called lying. If you believe
 that Jimbo is enlightened, then you believe that the enlight-
 ened lie. 
 
 Jimbo has also in the past ranted that the things he says
 are true by definition because he says them. The reasoning
 for this, one assumes, is that the enlightened have the
 ability to discern truth. That said, he has claimed that
 the Buddha -- someone who didn't believe in the concept
 of God -- said God is love. Doesn't that make you go a 
 little WTF?  :-)
 
 Don't get me wrong...Jim has the right to indulge in 
 whatever narcissistic fantasies he wants to. It's just
 that in doing so he diminishes and embarrasses the entire
 history of the belief in enlightenment, so I give him
 shit about it, so he'll do more of it. He never fails
 to disappoint.  :-)
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
   
I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though
you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes,
I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU
**EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
  
   I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
   it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
   this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
   that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
   convince those people that the moon was made of green
   cheese. :-)
  
   And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
   about Jim's enlightened status, and who believes it,
   to chime in and agree with me.
  
   Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
   and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
   you have a learning diability. Just sayin'... :-)
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
  
   Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given
   your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect,
   adoration and drama it deserves!
  
   Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we
   add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it
   rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S
   going on the list TOO!
  
   Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number
   of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
  
   I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just
   plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered
   at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust
   pales in comparison!
  
   MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS,
   BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!
 
  Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.

 And almost completely unaware of it. All while
 considering himself enlightened.

 Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
 refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
 their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
 demonization instead?

 I have to believe that the reason is that they
 are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
 say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
 be perceived as negative. They are probably
 so superstitious that they think Bad Things
 will happen to them if they do. :-)

   
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
snip
I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
pales in comparison!

MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!  
   
   Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
  
  And almost completely unaware of it. All while
  considering himself enlightened. 
  
  Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
  refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
  their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
  demonization instead?
 
 Yes, you probably can tell you're in a cult when you 
 make excuses for the people ripping you off.

I haven't seen anybody here making excuses for the
people ripping them off. Did I miss some posts, or
what?

What I've found fascinating in this discussion is
the *disproportion* between the gigantic fuss the
three of you are making of the fact that the TMers
haven't responded to salyavin's tale of woe the way
you think we should have, and the minimal objections
a couple of TMers have made to the griping. That
disproportion is what DrD was satirizing and what I
twitted Barry about.

Not a thing wrong, as far as I'm concerned, with
salyavin having brought up the fundraising on that
course, or with the three of you griping about it.

But you all seem to be even more outraged that the
TMers haven't all chimed in and denounced the TMO
than you've been over the original offense.

Get a grip, boys. You don't need the explicit
agreement of the TMers here to justify your
disapproval of the Vedaland pitch.

Or do you?

Barry, as one would expect, is using all this as
an excuse to go after his critics here. Salyavin
and Michael don't seem to need to do that.

  I have to believe that the reason is that they
  are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
  say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
  be perceived as negative.

Well, no, Barry, you don't *have* to believe that.
You *want* to believe that, because that's what fits
the pattern you've already established in your mind,
and you don't have the imagination to entertain any
other possibilities, even if this one doesn't make
sense.

 They are probably
  so superstitious that they think Bad Things
  will happen to them if they do. :-)
 
 We haven't heard at least the money goes to a good
 cause. Which I have heard a lot in the TMO when they
 raised some amount for something that never happened.
 
 But not rocking the boat for fear of incurring some
 sort of wrath from the course office or International
 seemed to be the main motivating factor to me. Can't
 have people unstressing and disturbing the other
 CPs.

Could it possibly be that some of the CPs on that
course were enjoying it and simply didn't *want* to
spoil their experience by getting into an outraged
frame of mind at that point, TMO or no TMO?

Salyavin, to your knowledge, did anybody commit
themselves to donate *during that course*?

I ask because I always understood the dictum about
not making major decisions while rounding to mean
decisions that one would implement during the course,
as opposed to decisions that one might or might not
follow through on once one got home and came down
from the spaciness. (The example the teachers
always used was not to break up with your girlfriend
or boyfriend while you were rounding. I think one
time the example was not to call your stockbroker
between rounds and tell them to sell all your
investments.)

For the record, the only sales pitches I recall
being made during courses were for advanced
techniques or the TM-Sidhis course. Since you
couldn't *implement a decision to do either during
the course, that wouldn't have gone against the no-
decisions recommendation as I understood it.





 That and the weird idea that if the TMO does it 
 then it must be right even if we don't understand it
 yet!





[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread doctordumbass
Who??

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:

 I'm out of the loop as to who is enlightened and who isn't - I don't even 
 know the Doctor's real name - I thought he was the real Doctor Who.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: turquoiseb 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:48 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
 who brought it up
  
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
  you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
  I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
  **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
 
 I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
 it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
 this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
 that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
 convince those people that the moon was made of green
 cheese. :-)
 
 And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
 about Jim's enlightened status, and who believes it,
 to chime in and agree with me. 
 
 Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
 and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
 you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:

 Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
 your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
 adoration and drama it deserves! 
 
 Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
 add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
 rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
 going on the list TOO!
 
 Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
 of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
 
 I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
 plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
 at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
 pales in comparison!
 
 MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
 BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?! 

Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
   
   And almost completely unaware of it. All while
   considering himself enlightened. 
   
   Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
   refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
   their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
   demonization instead?
   
   I have to believe that the reason is that they
   are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
   say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
   be perceived as negative. They are probably
   so superstitious that they think Bad Things
   will happen to them if they do. :-)
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
  you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
  I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
  **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
 
 I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
 it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
 this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
 that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
 convince those people that the moon was made of green
 cheese. :-)
 
 And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
 about Jim's enlightened status, and who believes it,
 to chime in and agree with me.

(You might want to do a bit of revising of your syntax
here, Barry.) 

 Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
 and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
 you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)

At least one of us knows there's no way we could tell
from DrD's posts whether he's enlightened--and doesn't
*care* whether he is or not. That person does enjoy
watching Barry freak out from having his buttons pushed
over and over, though.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread doctordumbass
You and I can go either way with it, Steve, but good *old* Barry I am afraid, 
cannot.:-) Button pusher became the pushed.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:

 
 Barry, Jim's enlightenment is parve.  Meaning what does it
 matter,whether he is, or he isn't?  You can go either way with it.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
  
   I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though
   you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes,
   I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU
   **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
 
  I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
  it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
  this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
  that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
  convince those people that the moon was made of green
  cheese. :-)
 
  And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
  about Jim's enlightened status, and who believes it,
  to chime in and agree with me.
 
  Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
  and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
  you have a learning diability. Just sayin'... :-)
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
 
  Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given
  your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect,
  adoration and drama it deserves!
 
  Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we
  add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it
  rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S
  going on the list TOO!
 
  Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number
  of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
 
  I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just
  plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered
  at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust
  pales in comparison!
 
  MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS,
  BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!

 Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
   
And almost completely unaware of it. All while
considering himself enlightened.
   
Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
demonization instead?
   
I have to believe that the reason is that they
are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
be perceived as negative. They are probably
so superstitious that they think Bad Things
will happen to them if they do. :-)
   
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie…

2013-01-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
That was interesting Jim.  So it may be hard to relate to someone who lacks 
this ability to draw things as they appear.  So maybe you can help me with this 
question:

After you have the ability to realistically represent things on paper, what is 
it that allows someone to interpret what they see in a more abstract way?  You 
touched on this with your description of how you challenged yourself with 
colors.

I keep thinking that faithful representation is just the start of this process 
to express something meaningful through visual art.

In time, I discovered my musical style, it just naturally emerged from my 
preferences.  I guess this also happens in visual art.  My only reference 
experience is with digital photography which I took pretty seriously.  
Especially when paired with the post processing artistic choices of Photoshop 
afterwards. But drawing is on another level for me so I have a lot to learn.

High five on the complete artistic enrichment you get from music and visual 
arts.  






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:

 arm raised, at my desk, Curtis! 
 uh...OKUh, Jim had his hand up first...
 
 Anyway, I was one of those talented kids with art. I could look at 
 something and just begin drawing it, as it looked, starting at age ten or so. 
 
 It has always come naturally, also sculpture, and wood carving, although 
 jumping into the object, in order to represent it, also came with its 
 unexpected emotional relationship to the representation of the object - which 
 I think is true of music too. In other words, it can be nearly a torment to 
 get something right. I used to feel so drained after a three hour drawing 
 class, working on a single subject, so much of my heart went into my work.  
 
 I used to deliberately set challenges for myself in a drawing or carving, 
 using a color next to another that clashed, and then figuring how to use 
 surrounding colors to blend the two. 
 
 I took guitar lessons for a couple of years in jr. high, and it just didn't 
 have that sense of discovery at each step, for me, that doing visual art has 
 had. Then tech invented a way for non-musicians to create music, and oddly, I 
 often approach my song compositions in similar ways to my visual work, in 
 terms of balance and selective interest.
 
 Anyway, whether anyone else could, or not, I can't live without all my 
 artistic toys for expression! Also beginning to work on videos, though 
 haven't had the serious time to devote to production yet.
 
 Thanks for your post - YAY ARTS!!
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues  wrote:
 
  I know, a little Man Bites Dog headline, huh?  But since you are here 
  anyway…
  
  I was lying to some little kids again.  I mean not lying, lying but tossing 
  some bullshit that all of a sudden I began to smell.  I was in a Title One 
  school (poorest kids in their county) teaching them to write a blues song 
  to help them understand the difference between character traits and 
  feelings, which for a first grader is at the top of their cognitive limits. 
   (Feelings change in the story, but character traits persist to define how 
  a character will behave in the story. Hopefully character traits can also 
  change through education, or we are all kinda screwed, but you see the 
  simple difference right?) 
  
  I was drawing a picture web of ideas using characters from their story 
  about a fox and a mouse and was drawing a really, really shitty fox.  I 
  mean worse than cave man on cave wall shitty. (No offense to our ancestors 
  meant some of them drew better than I did.)  I told the kids that as a 
  musician I tend to pay more attention to my ears so I practice music but 
  not drawing.  All this is sort of true, but what was a stinking lie was the 
  implication that somehow this preference defined my character trait as a 
  musician guy who can't draw.  It sent me into introspection on my long 
  drive home.
  
  WTF?  Why was I shitty at drawing and was it really based on my sensory 
  preference?  Or was it something that had just been overlooked in my 
  education, cast aside as something adults don't need to know how to do? 
  What other area of knowledge is it acceptable for adults to perform at a 
  first grade level? (Oh sorry that is a two digit number and I don't do math 
  that high!)
   
  As I reflected on my art classes I remember being taught how to use certain 
  mediums, but never having anyone show me how to draw.  It seemed to be 
  accepted that some kids were talented (I am beginning to hate that word 
  as a total cop-out in art.) and they could do this magical thing called 
  drawing.  And then there was me, a special Ed artist to this day.  Was this 
  just a limit I needed to accept, or had my educational system failed me?
  
  I needed to know, so I went to the library and took out a big stack of 
  how-to-draw books including one on drawing animal cartoons.  In a few 
  moments 

[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie…

2013-01-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
This is very cool Bob, thanks for posting this.  I spent some time this morning 
digging in, and it even discusses the lack of artistic education for young 
people!  Some things never change.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:

 This link will take you to the book: 
 
 The Grammar of Painting and Engraving 
 
 -Written in the 19th century by Charles Blanc, 
 
 
 whose theories  (particularly on color) were studied closely by Van Gogh, 
 Gaugin and Seurat:
 
 http://archive.org/stream/grammarofpaintin00blaniala#page/n0/mode/2up
 
 
 
 
 From: seventhray27 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:16:57 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie…
 
 
 
 Very nice.  Paid off for you.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
 
  Excellent post, Curtis - I grew up an admirer of comics - ie, the art, and 
  wanted to draw - couldn't even draw a stick figure hardly - discovered 
  Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, bought it, worked with it - about 3 
  or 4 months later the enclosed attachment came forth - it was the last 
  thing I drew back in 1996.
  
  For whatever its worth, when I would spend an hour or so drawing according 
  to the techniques she set forth, I would always go into that silent mind 
  place she talks about (I forget her name for it) when I would come out of 
  the drawing session and went back to verbal left brain functioning I would 
  experience GC and UC big time for a couple hours at least - the more often 
  I drew the more intense and obvious the GC/UC experiences became - dunno 
  why I quit.
  
  
  The light was not great when I snapped the pic of my drawing and yep I was 
  a big Star Trek fan
  
  
  
  
  From: curtisdeltablues 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:40 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie…
  
  
    
  It makes me wonder how much of education is just giving kids with a natural 
  inclination a track to run on rather than educating everyone up to a 
  certain level of competence in everything. What is interesting to me is how 
  persistent these self limiting ideas about ourselves are.
  
  Some of it may have to do with our cultural focus on people who are amazing 
  at certain things. It makes it all seem far from our reach. We need more 
  exposure to the road from sucking at things maybe. A focus on the process 
  rather than the outcome. But letting a kid go through the whole educational 
  system without ever giving him or her a chance with some decent instruction 
  seems like a set up to me now. I had no idea what I didn't know but needed 
  to in order to draw.
  
  I have another book I am going into after this one that is really inspiring 
  artistically that made me think of your life in Europe. Lessons in 
  Classical Drawing:Essential Techniques from Inside the Atelier by Juliette 
  Aristides (Great artist name, huh?!) It goes more deeply into the kind of 
  perceptions necessary to appreciate and create fine art, but she is still 
  geared to beginners. She uses many classic examples and it is inspiring me 
  in a more ethereal way. Check out this intro video for her system:
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tYbd9DnuyA
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
  
   Excellent rap. I, too, missed the essential parts of
   education that can teach one how to draw, or that one
   can. The fact that I can use words to create art (or
   as close to it as I want to get) is directly due to
   a few teachers who conveyed their sense of word-magic
   to me, and taught me how to use them. I agree with you
   that a large part (up to 80%, the remaining 20% being
   what we call talent) in almost any artform reflects
   what people were taught, not what they are. 
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues wrote:
   
I know, a little Man Bites Dog headline, huh? But since you are here 
anyway…

I was lying to some little kids again. I mean not lying, lying but 
tossing some bullshit that all of a sudden I began to smell. I was in a 
Title One school (poorest kids in their county) teaching them to write 
a blues song to help them understand the difference between character 
traits and feelings, which for a first grader is at the top of their 
cognitive limits. (Feelings change in the story, but character traits 
persist to define how a character will behave in the story. Hopefully 
character traits can also change through education, or we are all kinda 
screwed, but you see the simple difference right?) 

I was drawing a picture web of ideas using characters from their story 
about a fox and a mouse and was drawing a really, really shitty fox. I 
mean worse than cave man on cave wall shitty. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie…

2013-01-27 Thread doctordumbass
Great question, regarding abstract representation!! Love it - My stepsister is 
an artist, primarily painting, and she just send me a self portrait that she 
did, as part of a class she is taking, where she was restricted to just six 
colors in her palate. It is just as you describe, abstracted from the real, yet 
true enough in the relationships of all the colors, that the viewer doesn't 
notice much of the abstraction. In fact the abstraction enhances the realism.  
Awesome stuff!

The one thing I do know regarding the artists who ventured into abstraction was 
that they first needed an ironclad grasp on realistic depiction, to always use 
as a foundation, kinda like the way jazz riffs on a set melody.

Thanks for the comments, and your love of the arts!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues  wrote:

 That was interesting Jim.  So it may be hard to relate to someone who lacks 
 this ability to draw things as they appear.  So maybe you can help me with 
 this question:
 
 After you have the ability to realistically represent things on paper, what 
 is it that allows someone to interpret what they see in a more abstract way?  
 You touched on this with your description of how you challenged yourself with 
 colors.
 
 I keep thinking that faithful representation is just the start of this 
 process to express something meaningful through visual art.
 
 In time, I discovered my musical style, it just naturally emerged from my 
 preferences.  I guess this also happens in visual art.  My only reference 
 experience is with digital photography which I took pretty seriously.  
 Especially when paired with the post processing artistic choices of Photoshop 
 afterwards. But drawing is on another level for me so I have a lot to learn.
 
 High five on the complete artistic enrichment you get from music and visual 
 arts.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  arm raised, at my desk, Curtis! 
  uh...OKUh, Jim had his hand up first...
  
  Anyway, I was one of those talented kids with art. I could look at 
  something and just begin drawing it, as it looked, starting at age ten or 
  so. 
  
  It has always come naturally, also sculpture, and wood carving, although 
  jumping into the object, in order to represent it, also came with its 
  unexpected emotional relationship to the representation of the object - 
  which I think is true of music too. In other words, it can be nearly a 
  torment to get something right. I used to feel so drained after a three 
  hour drawing class, working on a single subject, so much of my heart went 
  into my work.  
  
  I used to deliberately set challenges for myself in a drawing or carving, 
  using a color next to another that clashed, and then figuring how to use 
  surrounding colors to blend the two. 
  
  I took guitar lessons for a couple of years in jr. high, and it just didn't 
  have that sense of discovery at each step, for me, that doing visual art 
  has had. Then tech invented a way for non-musicians to create music, and 
  oddly, I often approach my song compositions in similar ways to my visual 
  work, in terms of balance and selective interest.
  
  Anyway, whether anyone else could, or not, I can't live without all my 
  artistic toys for expression! Also beginning to work on videos, though 
  haven't had the serious time to devote to production yet.
  
  Thanks for your post - YAY ARTS!!
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues  wrote:
  
   I know, a little Man Bites Dog headline, huh?  But since you are here 
   anyway…
   
   I was lying to some little kids again.  I mean not lying, lying but 
   tossing some bullshit that all of a sudden I began to smell.  I was in a 
   Title One school (poorest kids in their county) teaching them to write a 
   blues song to help them understand the difference between character 
   traits and feelings, which for a first grader is at the top of their 
   cognitive limits.  (Feelings change in the story, but character traits 
   persist to define how a character will behave in the story. Hopefully 
   character traits can also change through education, or we are all kinda 
   screwed, but you see the simple difference right?) 
   
   I was drawing a picture web of ideas using characters from their story 
   about a fox and a mouse and was drawing a really, really shitty fox.  I 
   mean worse than cave man on cave wall shitty. (No offense to our 
   ancestors meant some of them drew better than I did.)  I told the kids 
   that as a musician I tend to pay more attention to my ears so I practice 
   music but not drawing.  All this is sort of true, but what was a stinking 
   lie was the implication that somehow this preference defined my character 
   trait as a musician guy who can't draw.  It sent me into introspection on 
   my long drive home.
   
   WTF?  Why was I shitty at drawing and was it really based on my sensory 
   preference?  Or 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:

 
 I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during decades 
 in the TMO.
 So far we only have your version of this.



So you never taught 3rd night of checking which includes the sales pitch for a 
residence course as a mandatory part of it?

Never taught a residence course which also included making a sales pitch for 
advance programs like the sidhis?
  
Never attended any of the MANY fundraisers held at the bigger facilities that I 
both attended or ran for years?

Never promoted Ayur veda or its many products at your TM center?

Were you ever a teacher in the field?  Selling programs was our total focus.

The brochure version of TM that you pitch here only works on people without 
experience of the organization, like maybe someone at an intro lecture.

If I had kept all the Telexes from National commanding me to pitch the next TM 
product through the next big campaign, I could turn them over and never need 
sketch paper for the rest of my life.













 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   I can honestly say I went on a lot of residence courses, and was never 
   asked to donate money, or purchase *anything*. Wasn't a perfect 
   experience, but this rapaciousness you attribute to the reps of the TMO 
   was just never present whenever I interacted with them. Not once, during 
   major national courses, residence courses, or working for the TMO on 
   staff, was I ever asked for donations, or to get the next big thing. This 
   is some tape loop in your head, that does not match reality. And you know 
   what they say, where there's smoke, there's fire...:-)
  
  Ah, so we imagined it all. Fascinating evasion.
 
 I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during decades 
 in the TMO.
 So far we only have your version of this.





[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie…

2013-01-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:

 Great question, regarding abstract representation!! Love it - My stepsister 
 is an artist, primarily painting, and she just send me a self portrait that 
 she did, as part of a class she is taking, where she was restricted to just 
 six colors in her palate. It is just as you describe, abstracted from the 
 real, yet true enough in the relationships of all the colors, that the viewer 
 doesn't notice much of the abstraction. In fact the abstraction enhances the 
 realism.  Awesome stuff!
 
 The one thing I do know regarding the artists who ventured into abstraction 
 was that they first needed an ironclad grasp on realistic depiction, to 
 always use as a foundation, kinda like the way jazz riffs on a set melody.


Yes, I find this fascinating.  I have seen Picasso's evolution into abstraction 
from realism.  There are no shortcuts, you gotta do the time.  And guys on the 
visually artistic short bus like me have a lot of time to do. 







 
 Thanks for the comments, and your love of the arts!
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues  wrote:
 
  That was interesting Jim.  So it may be hard to relate to someone who lacks 
  this ability to draw things as they appear.  So maybe you can help me with 
  this question:
  
  After you have the ability to realistically represent things on paper, what 
  is it that allows someone to interpret what they see in a more abstract 
  way?  You touched on this with your description of how you challenged 
  yourself with colors.
  
  I keep thinking that faithful representation is just the start of this 
  process to express something meaningful through visual art.
  
  In time, I discovered my musical style, it just naturally emerged from my 
  preferences.  I guess this also happens in visual art.  My only reference 
  experience is with digital photography which I took pretty seriously.  
  Especially when paired with the post processing artistic choices of 
  Photoshop afterwards. But drawing is on another level for me so I have a 
  lot to learn.
  
  High five on the complete artistic enrichment you get from music and visual 
  arts.  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   arm raised, at my desk, Curtis! 
   uh...OKUh, Jim had his hand up first...
   
   Anyway, I was one of those talented kids with art. I could look at 
   something and just begin drawing it, as it looked, starting at age ten or 
   so. 
   
   It has always come naturally, also sculpture, and wood carving, although 
   jumping into the object, in order to represent it, also came with its 
   unexpected emotional relationship to the representation of the object - 
   which I think is true of music too. In other words, it can be nearly a 
   torment to get something right. I used to feel so drained after a three 
   hour drawing class, working on a single subject, so much of my heart went 
   into my work.  
   
   I used to deliberately set challenges for myself in a drawing or carving, 
   using a color next to another that clashed, and then figuring how to use 
   surrounding colors to blend the two. 
   
   I took guitar lessons for a couple of years in jr. high, and it just 
   didn't have that sense of discovery at each step, for me, that doing 
   visual art has had. Then tech invented a way for non-musicians to create 
   music, and oddly, I often approach my song compositions in similar ways 
   to my visual work, in terms of balance and selective interest.
   
   Anyway, whether anyone else could, or not, I can't live without all my 
   artistic toys for expression! Also beginning to work on videos, though 
   haven't had the serious time to devote to production yet.
   
   Thanks for your post - YAY ARTS!!
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues  wrote:
   
I know, a little Man Bites Dog headline, huh?  But since you are here 
anyway…

I was lying to some little kids again.  I mean not lying, lying but 
tossing some bullshit that all of a sudden I began to smell.  I was in 
a Title One school (poorest kids in their county) teaching them to 
write a blues song to help them understand the difference between 
character traits and feelings, which for a first grader is at the top 
of their cognitive limits.  (Feelings change in the story, but 
character traits persist to define how a character will behave in the 
story. Hopefully character traits can also change through education, or 
we are all kinda screwed, but you see the simple difference right?) 

I was drawing a picture web of ideas using characters from their story 
about a fox and a mouse and was drawing a really, really shitty fox.  I 
mean worse than cave man on cave wall shitty. (No offense to our 
ancestors meant some of them drew better than I did.)  I told the kids 
that as a musician I tend to pay 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread salyavin808


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
 I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
 plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
 at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
 pales in comparison!
 
 MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
 BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!  

Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
   
   And almost completely unaware of it. All while
   considering himself enlightened. 
   
   Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
   refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
   their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
   demonization instead?
  
  Yes, you probably can tell you're in a cult when you 
  make excuses for the people ripping you off.
 
 I haven't seen anybody here making excuses for the
 people ripping them off. Did I miss some posts, or
 what?

Must have done.
 
 What I've found fascinating in this discussion is
 the *disproportion* between the gigantic fuss the
 three of you are making of the fact that the TMers
 haven't responded to salyavin's tale of woe the way
 you think we should have, and the minimal objections
 a couple of TMers have made to the griping. That
 disproportion is what DrD was satirizing and what I
 twitted Barry about.

Gigantic fuss? Griping?

I'm just trying to provoke a reaction as I'm curious as 
to what FFLers would have said and done at the time. 
It would hardly be a tale of woe to you if you had donated
would it? I suspect this sort of belittling language comes 
from the  same place as Nabby's refusal to accept that it
even happened.


So what would you have done Judy? Seriously, put
yourself in my place, on a rounding course and
suddenly on the receiving end of a slick PR pitch
with no purpose other than to relieve you of $50,000
for something guaranteed never to happen by a so-called
spiritual group you probably thought was the dogs 
bollocks up to that point. 



 
 Not a thing wrong, as far as I'm concerned, with
 salyavin having brought up the fundraising on that
 course, or with the three of you griping about it.
 
 But you all seem to be even more outraged that the
 TMers haven't all chimed in and denounced the TMO
 than you've been over the original offense.

I think you are dreaming here, as I've said most people
kept quite and kept their heads down to save getting in 
trouble, like having a negative opinion is a bad thing.

 
 Could it possibly be that some of the CPs on that
 course were enjoying it and simply didn't *want* to
 spoil their experience by getting into an outraged
 frame of mind at that point, TMO or no TMO?

Is that how people work? I don't think so, people would
complain about the food or the heating in the flying room
as loudly as they could. And, as I have pointed out, it
was discussed over dinner. Mostly by my instigation and 
with most people either making excuses or refusing to get 
involved. 

 
 Salyavin, to your knowledge, did anybody commit
 themselves to donate *during that course*?

No idea, but most of us were there for ages and if Doug
Henning hadn't inconsiderately gone and died a week or so
after the pitch maybe they would have. The smarmy PR guy had
a lot of phone numbers of the wealthy on the course who had
expressed an interest, not sure whether my deconstruction
of his dividend projections due to misleading questions
in the public research put anyone off, I sure hope so.
I used to work as a media analyst for a PR company, I knew
all the tricks.

Man, I must have driven everyone crazy on that course!
Whatever the subject I'd have a well argued alternative.
When the jyotishees came to rip everyone off, sorry - to
do thoughtful and accurate personality readings and life
projections - it was me who pointed out he was telling
everyone the same things, and a load of crap at that!
I got everyone on our table at dinner deciding he must 
just be a bad jyotishee but he was billed as Marshy's 
favourite! What a joker.





[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie…

2013-01-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
Hey Steve, thanks for the reply.  I agree that FFL is a great place to be 
inspired to write daily.  I used it that way for years.

Your story about the ill fated trip to the museum as a sketch expert has a 
funny connection for me.  My late uncle (not by blood unfortunately) was Joe 
Jones who is a pretty famous St. Louis painter, and whose biggest collection of 
work hangs there.  He was like Woody Guthrie as a painter in the 30's and was 
famous for exposing the dark underbelly of oppressed people.  He made some big 
waves with this painting titled American Justice

http://artandsocialissues.cmaohio.org/web-content/images/Jones_Am-Justice_pg.jpg

Here is a short documentary on his art.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBvCEdBewo8

I may have to make a trip out there to see his work in the museum.  He has some 
stuff in the DC National museums but they are in rotation and very limited.  
People where more interested in his socially conscious stuff and not as 
interested in his more abstract work as he evolved as a painter.  I have some 
of his stuff on my walls including a beautiful one of the ocean at Mantoloking 
NJ done for my parents.  He had been a communist in the 30's and this caused 
him lots of trouble, both when he took up the cause and when he dropped out of 
it. 

One of my few memories of being age 5 is a weird scene the year before he died 
at age 54.  We were at the beach together at my Grandfather's place in 
Mantoloking NJ (tip of the hat to Alex).  He was trying to convince me that he 
really was my uncle and I was having none of it.  It really upset him that I 
thought he was putting me on since I had not spent time with him.  I guess that 
is why it stuck in my young mind because he went to get my father to get me to 
accept him as a relative.  I suspect any meeting with some God after death will 
go the same way!




 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:

 Hey Curtis,
 Thanks for the share. A couple things come to mind.
 A couple times I've thought I had a book in me. I guess, I still do.
 But I remember hearing an interview with an author on a call in show and
 someone calling in with this same questions.  The question put to the
 caller was, how many minutes are you writing each day
 And then I understood it.  Sure, I may have a book in me.  Most of us
 probably do.  But are you willing to put in the time to make it happen? 
 And probably, most of us don't.  I'm afraid that seems to be the case
 with me.
   And it also sort of makes clear some of the posting you see here.  It
 appears FFL is a venue for those who like writing to put in their daily
 practice.
 And then, a funny story.  In high school, I took a drawing class.  (I
 was never much of an artist, and it didn't help that my best friend was
 an excellent artist, and probably the best ceramicist in the school.  (I
 still have some of his pieces)
 Anyway, one day the teacher told us we were going to go the St. Louis
 Art Museum on a Saturday for a project.  She didn't say much else.  Well
 it turns out that we were asked to do pencil,or charcoal drawings for
 patrons of the art museum.  So, here I am, a couple weeks into drawing
 class, having to draw pictures of kids, (mostly) for their parents.  Not
 a pleasant experience.
 On the other hand, there was a time when I was forced into pitching for
 our softball team with no experience.  That worked out better.  That
 became my position.
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues  wrote:
 
  I know, a little Man Bites Dog headline, huh?  But since you are
 here anyway…
 
  I was lying to some little kids again.  I mean not lying, lying but
 tossing some bullshit that all of a sudden I began to smell.  I was in a
 Title One school (poorest kids in their county) teaching them to write a
 blues song to help them understand the difference between character
 traits and feelings, which for a first grader is at the top of their
 cognitive limits.  (Feelings change in the story, but character traits
 persist to define how a character will behave in the story. Hopefully
 character traits can also change through education, or we are all kinda
 screwed, but you see the simple difference right?)
 
  I was drawing a picture web of ideas using characters from their story
 about a fox and a mouse and was drawing a really, really shitty fox.  I
 mean worse than cave man on cave wall shitty. (No offense to our
 ancestors meant some of them drew better than I did.)  I told the kids
 that as a musician I tend to pay more attention to my ears so I practice
 music but not drawing.  All this is sort of true, but what was a
 stinking lie was the implication that somehow this preference defined my
 character trait as a musician guy who can't draw.  It sent me into
 introspection on my long drive home.
 
  WTF?  Why was I shitty at drawing and was it really based on my
 sensory preference?  Or was it something that had just been overlooked
 in my education, cast 

[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie…

2013-01-27 Thread doctordumbass


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  Great question, regarding abstract representation!! Love it - My stepsister 
  is an artist, primarily painting, and she just send me a self portrait that 
  she did, as part of a class she is taking, where she was restricted to just 
  six colors in her palate. It is just as you describe, abstracted from the 
  real, yet true enough in the relationships of all the colors, that the 
  viewer doesn't notice much of the abstraction. In fact the abstraction 
  enhances the realism.  Awesome stuff!
  
  The one thing I do know regarding the artists who ventured into abstraction 
  was that they first needed an ironclad grasp on realistic depiction, to 
  always use as a foundation, kinda like the way jazz riffs on a set melody.
 
 
 Yes, I find this fascinating.  I have seen Picasso's evolution into 
 abstraction from realism.  There are no shortcuts, you gotta do the time.  
 And guys on the visually artistic short bus like me have a lot of time to do. 
 

I mebbe mentioned this earlier, though one of my favorite artists, who 
maintained composition, balance, a unified palate, and subject interest, is 
Jackson Pollock. Completely abstract, yet makes sense, and rests the viewer in 
equilibrium. 

There seems to be a common element, a visual wholeness, a complete visual 
statement, that separates great art from the rest. I think that happens when 
the artist captures something elemental that we as humans, see as the basis for 
anything real and authentic, no matter how abstract. PS I find photography an 
excellent teacher of composition and balance. 



Re: [FairfieldLife] In space no one will hear you scream. Because you won't.....

2013-01-27 Thread Emily Reyn
Share, do you mean best post of January, 2013?  Which ones?  

My condolences and thoughts go out to you and your family today.  Emily. 




 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] In space no one will hear you scream. Because you 
won't.
 

  
Salyavin, as I read this tiny muscles around the base of each hair folicle 
tensed and the hair stood up.  But that's ok because I now know that whenever 
I'm sitting, I'm also floating.  Yay!  BTW, you and Bob Price tie for Best 
Post of 2013 IMHO (-:




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Carol
Barry stated, Nabby, what on Earth gives you the impression that
anyone here believes *anything* you say, let alone
anything you say about the TMO and Maharishi?   

I don't know Nabby. 

But from what I've read of Barry, I just might believe Nabby over Barry. 

But probably to Barry, I'm not considered as anyone. Thus far, Barry's 
hypocrisy is quite evident to this non-anyone outsider. 

My involvement was with a different movement than the TMO. After leaving my 
former group ('cult') and experiencing the lies and us/them thinking and 
tactics of certain anti-cultists...I'm not sure which is worse. One thing for 
sure, the anti-cultist's hypocrisies do little to support any integrity they 
might have.

Like cultisits though, not all anti-cultists fall into the hypocrisy category.

*

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 Just so this doesn't get buried inside a topic many
 people weren't reading, here it is with a new title,
 and under a new thread.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
   
   What makes you think that this negatively charged tone
   is in THEM? It seems to me that a large number of people
   *project* such things ONTO the TM critics, because they're
   heavily attached to Maharishi and TM, and *their* buttons
   got pushed. They're experiencing emotions inside themselves
   that they perceive as negative, so they project the source
   of that perceived negativity onto the critic. 
  
  To expand upon this, Share, here's what I saw happen
  in this thread about the fundraising for Vedaland. 
  
  Based upon what Michael and Salyavin have said about
  this incident, it seems clear that the TM organization
  not only was guilty of selling shares in a venture they
  knew was not going to happen because Doug was dying,
  they did so *on long-term residence courses*, sending
  people to solicit partnerships/donations from people
  who were rounding, and thus had been instructed to
  not make any serious decisions while rounding. 
  
  OK, that strikes me as a pretty big WTF moment.
  
  And so far, in my quick re-read of the thread, it seems
  that other than Michael, Salyavin and myself, no one
  from the still-loyal-to-TM camp has really commented
  *on the issue itself*. Buck came the closest. 
  
  Most others have been playing one form or another of
  Kill the messenger, either suggesting that something
  is wrong with Michael or the other critics, or that
  something was wrong with their tone, that it was
  negative.
  
  Here's what I think. 
  
  The negativity is in the Kill the messenger types.
  They heard something *that they didn't want to hear*. 
  It caused cognitive dissonance in them. They knew that
  if they dealt with it directly and said what this news
  made them *feel* about the organization they've been
  part of for so long, and said it honestly, they'd be
  perceived by other TBs as negative. So they stayed
  as far away from the real issue as possible.
  
  Instead they projected the inner turmoil they were 
  feeling about the issue onto the people who *were* 
  talking about the issue, and tried to turn the thread 
  into talking about *them* instead. Classic Kill the 
  messenger, and classic cult.
  
  You seem to be full of advice today on how Michael or
  others could clean up their negatively charged tone.
  Well, here's some advice from me. Try not to project
  the button-pushed turmoil inside yourself onto other
  people, and lash out at them rather than dealing with
  what they said. 
  
  It's not whether Michael is outraged over this issue.
  That's fairly obvious. The bigger question is, Why
  aren't you?
  
  How 'bout it, TM-supporters? Take this issue and discuss
  it *AS* issue, no personalities, and no attempts at
  well-poisoning and slander. 
  
  Please explain how what the TM did in this case can be
  seen as OK, legal, or benevolent. Please explain why
  you still feel the need to support them or defend them,
  if that's what you wind up doing. But talk about the
  issue *itself*, not the people who brought it up. 
  
  We'll wait...
 
 Suggestions for possible discussion points?
 
 - Did you ever experience, while on rounding courses, 
 representatives of the TMO pitching you on things
 that cost money? You know, like the next big course
 you just had to attend, or the next technique you
 just had to have, or the next Maharishi-add-on 
 product you just had to buy, be it Ayurveda or S-V
 houses? 
 
 - If so, how do you reconcile this fairly obvious 
 attempt to get you to spend more money or donate more
 money with the clear instructions you were given at
 the start of every rounding course, Don't make any
 major decisions while you are here?
 
 - What *is* it about the TM technique that makes it
 100% positive when done as advertised, 20 minutes
 twice a day, but that makes it so powerful during
 rounding courses that you have 

[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie…

2013-01-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
Here you really hit my own visual artist limits.  I don't get Pollock at all. 
 But on the other hand, I can't remember if I ever stood in front of one of his 
originals.  I need to go down to the National Modern Art museum in DC to see if 
I can be nudged into appreciating him.  Thanks for throwing down the visual 
challenge.

It may be that it takes more time noticing the kind of distinctions that he is 
playing with in such a pure form.  Or in the end it may be a matter of taste 
like musical preference.

But I sense that it is something that I am lacking to not appreciate him even 
if I don't prefer that style.  When I listen to really abstract jazz, even 
Coltrane or Miles, it leaves me cold.  But I can at least appreciate the many 
ways they are F'ing with conventional musical expectation, so on an 
intellectual level, I dig that they advanced music in a new direction.  So even 
if the more soulful (for me) Samba Jazz of Stan Getz and Gilberto is more my 
style, I can appreciate sipping a martini to some intellectual jazz 
occasionally.  And I dig it when I hear it as a background in a movie with a 
lot of strong shadows and a hot femme fatale.

So I will consider Pollock's work a nice little benchmark of my visual 
education, and I look forward to the day he pops for me, even if it is just a 
fraction of what you are getting out of him.


   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   Great question, regarding abstract representation!! Love it - My 
   stepsister is an artist, primarily painting, and she just send me a self 
   portrait that she did, as part of a class she is taking, where she was 
   restricted to just six colors in her palate. It is just as you describe, 
   abstracted from the real, yet true enough in the relationships of all the 
   colors, that the viewer doesn't notice much of the abstraction. In fact 
   the abstraction enhances the realism.  Awesome stuff!
   
   The one thing I do know regarding the artists who ventured into 
   abstraction was that they first needed an ironclad grasp on realistic 
   depiction, to always use as a foundation, kinda like the way jazz riffs 
   on a set melody.
  
  
  Yes, I find this fascinating.  I have seen Picasso's evolution into 
  abstraction from realism.  There are no shortcuts, you gotta do the time.  
  And guys on the visually artistic short bus like me have a lot of time to 
  do. 
  
 
 I mebbe mentioned this earlier, though one of my favorite artists, who 
 maintained composition, balance, a unified palate, and subject interest, is 
 Jackson Pollock. Completely abstract, yet makes sense, and rests the viewer 
 in equilibrium. 
 
 There seems to be a common element, a visual wholeness, a complete visual 
 statement, that separates great art from the rest. I think that happens when 
 the artist captures something elemental that we as humans, see as the basis 
 for anything real and authentic, no matter how abstract. PS I find 
 photography an excellent teacher of composition and balance.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread Carol
Jim...are you serious when you say you are enlightened?  When I've read a 
poster on FFL claim enlightenment, I've always taken it as a sarcasm.

Do certain people on FFL believe they have reached enlightenment?

***



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:

 LOL - Gotcha!! ...and I told you I had a naughty side, but you just don't 
 listen, do ya?...Let's try it again -- HEY BARRY, I AM ENLIGHTENED, AND DON'T 
 YOU **EVER** FORGET IT!!!:-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
   you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
   I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
   **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
  
  I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
  it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
  this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
  that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
  convince those people that the moon was made of green
  cheese. :-)
  
  And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
  about Jim's enlightened status, and who believes it,
  to chime in and agree with me. 
  
  Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
  and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
  you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
  your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
  adoration and drama it deserves! 
  
  Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
  add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
  rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
  going on the list TOO!
  
  Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
  of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
  
  I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
  plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
  at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
  pales in comparison!
  
  MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
  BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!  
 
 Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.

And almost completely unaware of it. All while
considering himself enlightened. 

Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
demonization instead?

I have to believe that the reason is that they
are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
be perceived as negative. They are probably
so superstitious that they think Bad Things
will happen to them if they do. :-)
   
  
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Jackson
I was thinking about all this and I can't ever remember anything like the 
Croatia course where they were pitching Vedaland - I mean I never encountered 
anything like that on a rounding course - unless you include the sidhis - I did 
hear sales pitches for that, tho I would not have characterized it as a sales 
pitch at the time.

Interesting how after all these years I still didn't consider enticements to 
buy adjuncts to the TM program like the sidhis to be a sales pitch.

The one exception was on the Taste of Utopia course when Maha was pitching his 
latest project (I don't remember what it was) but he was asking for millions of 
dollars that night - there was a lot of talk about it at meals the next day.





 From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:34 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
who brought it up
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:

 I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during decades 
 in the TMO.
 So far we only have your version of this.


So you never taught 3rd night of checking which includes the sales pitch for a 
residence course as a mandatory part of it?

Never taught a residence course which also included making a sales pitch for 
advance programs like the sidhis?

Never attended any of the MANY fundraisers held at the bigger facilities that I 
both attended or ran for years?

Never promoted Ayur veda or its many products at your TM center?

Were you ever a teacher in the field?  Selling programs was our total focus.

The brochure version of TM that you pitch here only works on people without 
experience of the organization, like maybe someone at an intro lecture.

If I had kept all the Telexes from National commanding me to pitch the next TM 
product through the next big campaign, I could turn them over and never need 
sketch paper for the rest of my life.


 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   I can honestly say I went on a lot of residence courses, and was never 
   asked to donate money, or purchase *anything*. Wasn't a perfect 
   experience, but this rapaciousness you attribute to the reps of the TMO 
   was just never present whenever I interacted with them. Not once, during 
   major national courses, residence courses, or working for the TMO on 
   staff, was I ever asked for donations, or to get the next big thing. This 
   is some tape loop in your head, that does not match reality. And you know 
   what they say, where there's smoke, there's fire...:-)
  
  Ah, so we imagined it all. Fascinating evasion.
 
 I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during decades 
 in the TMO.
 So far we only have your version of this.



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
  
  I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during decades 
  in the TMO.
  So far we only have your version of this.
 
 So you never taught 3rd night of checking which includes the
 sales pitch for a residence course as a mandatory part of it?

The issue is sales pitches *on rounding courses*, Curtis.
The complaint (I guess you missed it) is that you're told
not to make major decisions (such as purchasing what is
being sold) while you're rounding.
 
 Never taught a residence course which also included making
 a sales pitch for advance programs like the sidhis?

This is the only one of your questions that's relevant
to the issue.

But of course you can't *apply and be accepted for and
then pay for* these advanced programs on a residence
course. All that would have to take place after the
course was over. So whether a pitch for the programs
violates the no decisions while rounding recommendation
depends on whether that means decisions that would be
*implemented* while you were rounding (which is how I
always understood it), as opposed to decisions you
could only implement once the course was over (and
had presumably had a chance to give the decision some
non-spacey thought).

 Never attended any of the MANY fundraisers held at the bigger facilities that 
 I both attended or ran for years?
 
 Never promoted Ayur veda or its many products at your TM center?
 
 Were you ever a teacher in the field?  Selling programs was our total focus.
 
 The brochure version of TM that you pitch here only works on people without 
 experience of the organization, like maybe someone at an intro lecture.
 
 If I had kept all the Telexes from National commanding me to pitch the next 
 TM product through the next big campaign, I could turn them over and never 
 need sketch paper for the rest of my life.

Again, the question isn't whether the TMO makes sales
pitches; obviously no one would claim that it does not.
It's whether the TMO has made sales pitches at an
inappropriate time and place.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zero loads?

2013-01-27 Thread Emily Reyn
Alex, I always laugh when I read your posts.  Nice of you to share.  I'm just 
sitting here, drinking a cup of strong coffee, feeling like I have many better 
things to do, but unwilling to disturb the quiet of sleeping teenagers and 
outside wet, damp, cloud-covered calm after a huge rainstorm last night.   




 From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:18 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zero loads?
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card  wrote:

 
 Anyone know, how many Android- and iPhone apps there are
 with zero or very few loads?


In this context, what is a load? It sounds like you're asking about apps that 
few or no people have loaded into their phones, but somehow that just doesn't 
sound right. But, if that is what you're inquiring about... Google Play 
doesn't give precise numbers of installs, but I did I sniff around and find a 
pretty obscure app:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.concentriclivers.donate

If that link doesn't work, do a Google search on Donate to Tim Hutt

Installs 10 - 50

Did I just waste my time writing this post? In all likelihood, yes. But, it's 
a rainy, ice stormy, Sunday morning, and I'm just sitting here, sipping a mug 
of Coffea arabica rasayana, waiting for the far infrared sauna to warm up, so 
it's not like I have anything better to do.


 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zero loads?

2013-01-27 Thread Bhairitu
On 01/27/2013 06:18 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card  wrote:

 Anyone know, how many Android- and iPhone apps there are
 with zero or very few loads?

   
 In this context, what is a load? It sounds like you're asking about apps that 
 few or no people have loaded into their phones, but somehow that just doesn't 
 sound right. But, if that is what you're inquiring about... Google Play 
 doesn't give precise numbers of installs, but I did I sniff around and find a 
 pretty obscure app:

 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.concentriclivers.donate

 If that link doesn't work, do a Google search on Donate to Tim Hutt

 Installs 10 - 50

 Did I just waste my time writing this post? In all likelihood, yes. But, it's 
 a rainy, ice stormy, Sunday morning, and I'm just sitting here, sipping a mug 
 of Coffea arabica rasayana, waiting for the far infrared sauna to warm up, so 
 it's not like I have anything better to do.



Every day when a developer uploads a new app it would have zero loads 
for a while.  Depends on the app too.  If it free then there are more 
likely to be more downloads.  People don't like to pay for apps.  Guess 
they figure developers must get food and shelter free. Google's counts 
are off too.  They've tried to fix them but their reports are even a 
little screwball.  Google has all kinds of statistics for developers to 
use about their apps but how accurate they are is anyone's guess.  On 
the consoles they will show total and active installs.  IOW, some 
folks will install then uninstall the app.  Then they may decide to 
reinstall it again.  It's all pretty crazy.



[FairfieldLife] Yoiks! Space/time actuality -- now seen on par with philostogen's.

2013-01-27 Thread Duveyoung
So you want your world flipped inside out, eh?

I. So. Eat. This. Stuff. Up.

I'm owned. Folks, this is a sermon that doesn't mention God, and I'm okay with 
that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=XDAJinQL2c0





[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
   
   I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during 
   decades in the TMO.
   So far we only have your version of this.
  
  So you never taught 3rd night of checking which includes the
  sales pitch for a residence course as a mandatory part of it?
 
 The issue is sales pitches *on rounding courses*, Curtis.
 The complaint (I guess you missed it) is that you're told
 not to make major decisions (such as purchasing what is
 being sold) while you're rounding.

OK so only my residence course and fundraiser held on rounding courses apply.  
I took Nabby's word any to mean any.

  
  Never taught a residence course which also included making
  a sales pitch for advance programs like the sidhis?
 
 This is the only one of your questions that's relevant
 to the issue.
 
 But of course you can't *apply and be accepted for and
 then pay for* these advanced programs on a residence
 course. All that would have to take place after the
 course was over. So whether a pitch for the programs
 violates the no decisions while rounding recommendation
 depends on whether that means decisions that would be
 *implemented* while you were rounding (which is how I
 always understood it), as opposed to decisions you
 could only implement once the course was over (and
 had presumably had a chance to give the decision some
 non-spacey thought).
 
  Never attended any of the MANY fundraisers held at the bigger facilities 
  that I both attended or ran for years?
  
  Never promoted Ayur veda or its many products at your TM center?
  
  Were you ever a teacher in the field?  Selling programs was our total focus.
  
  The brochure version of TM that you pitch here only works on people without 
  experience of the organization, like maybe someone at an intro lecture.
  
  If I had kept all the Telexes from National commanding me to pitch the next 
  TM product through the next big campaign, I could turn them over and never 
  need sketch paper for the rest of my life.
 
 Again, the question isn't whether the TMO makes sales
 pitches; obviously no one would claim that it does not.
 It's whether the TMO has made sales pitches at an
 inappropriate time and place.

Thanks for filling in the context for the full discussion. People did buy Ayur 
Vedic products and advanced techniques while rounding on courses I've been on. 
I think the prohibition about making decisions does not apply to any decision 
to get deeper into the movement in the movement mindset.  That is always 
considered to be a life-supporting decision, so there is no chance of making a 
mistake because you were unstressing.

But it is commendable that the movement would even give this advice at all 
because even if we drop the idea of stress release as they see it as I have, 
the state you are in is one of heightened suggestibility and this is sound 
advise.  But with the exemption of decisions that the movement can profit from, 
there was an element of dubious ethics in play.  At the CNL in DC they held 
regular fundraisers on the last day of residence courses pitching this and that 
and getting people to stand up and make public donations.  Then they would 
chase the people around after the course to get them to make good on the 
decision they had made on the course but often regretted later. 













[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie…

2013-01-27 Thread seventhray27

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues wrote:

 Hey Steve, thanks for the reply. I agree that FFL is a great place to
be inspired to write daily. I used it that way for years.

 Your story about the ill fated trip to the museum as a sketch expert
has a funny connection for me. My late uncle (not by blood
unfortunately) was Joe Jones who is a pretty famous St. Louis painter,
and whose biggest collection of work hangs there. He was like Woody
Guthrie as a painter in the 30's and was famous for exposing the dark
underbelly of oppressed people. He made some big waves with this
painting titled American Justice


http://artandsocialissues.cmaohio.org/web-content/images/Jones_Am-Justic\
e_pg.jpg

 Here is a short documentary on his art.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBvCEdBewo8

 I may have to make a trip out there to see his work in the museum. He
has some stuff in the DC National museums but they are in rotation and
very limited. People where more interested in his socially conscious
stuff and not as interested in his more abstract work as he evolved as a
painter. I have some of his stuff on my walls including a beautiful one
of the ocean at Mantoloking NJ done for my parents. He had been a
communist in the 30's and this caused him lots of trouble, both when he
took up the cause and when he dropped out of it.

 One of my few memories of being age 5 is a weird scene the year before
he died at age 54. We were at the beach together at my Grandfather's
place in Mantoloking NJ (tip of the hat to Alex). He was trying to
convince me that he really was my uncle and I was having none of it. It
really upset him that I thought he was putting me on since I had not
spent time with him. I guess that is why it stuck in my young mind
because he went to get my father to get me to accept him as a relative.
I suspect any meeting with some God after death will go the same way!


Curtis, that is so cool. I just watched the documentary. This will give
me some excuse to visit the Art Museum.

To have rubbed shoulders with an artist as a young child, and an artist
of this caliber seems pretty remarkable.

I guess I put artists on a pedestal.

The family was in Snowmass CO. over Christmas, which is just down the
road from Aspen.  One evening, we walked through town as we like to do,
and stopped in some fancy art galleries.  The art there was just
fantastic.  And I'm not talking about weird stuff.  But rather these
abstractions that you refer to.  And not outlandish abstactions, but
rather, projecting something just out of the ordinary in a remarkably
alluring way.

I mean, people may view Aspen as a place with a lot of pretention, but I
will say that the art we saw that evening was remarkable.

And some of the clientele we saw were also quite remarkable.





[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie…

2013-01-27 Thread doctordumbass
Yep - I totally get the intellectual vs full appreciation - same way for me 
with Davis and Coltrane, and er...John Cage.:-) Yeah, the east wing of the 
national gallery -- Pollock is there, along with amazing Matisse, scary de 
Kooning, and those weightless mobiles by Calder

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues  wrote:

 Here you really hit my own visual artist limits.  I don't get Pollock at 
 all.  But on the other hand, I can't remember if I ever stood in front of one 
 of his originals.  I need to go down to the National Modern Art museum in DC 
 to see if I can be nudged into appreciating him.  Thanks for throwing down 
 the visual challenge.
 
 It may be that it takes more time noticing the kind of distinctions that he 
 is playing with in such a pure form.  Or in the end it may be a matter of 
 taste like musical preference.
 
 But I sense that it is something that I am lacking to not appreciate him even 
 if I don't prefer that style.  When I listen to really abstract jazz, even 
 Coltrane or Miles, it leaves me cold.  But I can at least appreciate the many 
 ways they are F'ing with conventional musical expectation, so on an 
 intellectual level, I dig that they advanced music in a new direction.  So 
 even if the more soulful (for me) Samba Jazz of Stan Getz and Gilberto is 
 more my style, I can appreciate sipping a martini to some intellectual jazz 
 occasionally.  And I dig it when I hear it as a background in a movie with a 
 lot of strong shadows and a hot femme fatale.
 
 So I will consider Pollock's work a nice little benchmark of my visual 
 education, and I look forward to the day he pops for me, even if it is just a 
 fraction of what you are getting out of him.
 
 

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
   
Great question, regarding abstract representation!! Love it - My 
stepsister is an artist, primarily painting, and she just send me a 
self portrait that she did, as part of a class she is taking, where she 
was restricted to just six colors in her palate. It is just as you 
describe, abstracted from the real, yet true enough in the 
relationships of all the colors, that the viewer doesn't notice much of 
the abstraction. In fact the abstraction enhances the realism.  Awesome 
stuff!

The one thing I do know regarding the artists who ventured into 
abstraction was that they first needed an ironclad grasp on realistic 
depiction, to always use as a foundation, kinda like the way jazz riffs 
on a set melody.
   
   
   Yes, I find this fascinating.  I have seen Picasso's evolution into 
   abstraction from realism.  There are no shortcuts, you gotta do the time. 
And guys on the visually artistic short bus like me have a lot of time 
   to do. 
   
  
  I mebbe mentioned this earlier, though one of my favorite artists, who 
  maintained composition, balance, a unified palate, and subject interest, is 
  Jackson Pollock. Completely abstract, yet makes sense, and rests the viewer 
  in equilibrium. 
  
  There seems to be a common element, a visual wholeness, a complete visual 
  statement, that separates great art from the rest. I think that happens 
  when the artist captures something elemental that we as humans, see as the 
  basis for anything real and authentic, no matter how abstract. PS I find 
  photography an excellent teacher of composition and balance.
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Emily Reyn
I noted the same about the link, but know the song and thus moved to Bob's 
other link of the book.  What a great book; a great offering with wonderful 
drawings.  The pages turn for you, which is very cool.  That is a pertinent 
link to what Curtis posted and I have saved it to peruse.  




 From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
who brought it up
 

  
FFL, the endless battle of who did what, and how come I am not fucking 
enlightened yet. 

Hey Bob, the link you put at the end of your post below on this thread, it 
does not work if one lives in the States. I love Purple rain to go along with 
those purple high stretch stiletto boots, please share a link we can see from 
here, the States.. Emily would most likely appreciate it too!
The mention in a post to the Turq, I do not live in Fairfield, and not in 
Manhattan (deduct my non response of 72nd and 4th)(nor the L train from 
Willamsburg) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhgjEObtrWE  Oh,Give me a ticket 
on an Air-o-plane.  you now have minus three areas I may or may not live,at 
certain times. :)
I live in my skin, the blanket of FFL. You guys and ladies, are my warmth. :)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:

 MILAREPA once sent three of his devotees, each with a
 
 blanket, into the mountains of Tibet with the instruction to not return until
 they had mastered their inner heat. 
 
 
 The monks found an ice field, laid out their blankets, and
 began to mediate; windstorms and angry blizzards pummeled the three 
 adherents and
 covered them with ice and snow, but the three continued to mediate without 
 interruption.
 
 
 Finally, after ten years had passed, one of the monks opened
 his eyes and glared at the monk beside him and angrily shouted: 
 
 
 You're sitting on my blanket!
 
 
 The angry monk then closed his eyes and the three continued to mediate. 
 
 
 More wind, snow and ice storms hit the mountain and froze the
 monks solid, but still they continued their practice without interruption.
 
 
 After another ten years had passed the second monk opened his eyes and 
 shouted:
 
 
 No I'm not!
 
 
 The second angry monk then closed his eyes again, and the
 three continued to mediate peacefully. 
 
 
 
 More blizzards and wind storms hit the mountain and covered
 the three monks with freezing rain and snow; the howling wind was deafening,
 and at times the three mediating monks were encased in solid blocks of ice, 
 but
 they remained immoveable and continued to mediate uninterrupted.
 
 
 
 Finally, after another ten years had passed (making it
 thirty years since they had arrived), the third monk suddenly jumped up, 
 grabbed
 his blanket, and ran down the mountain, back to the monastery where MILAREPA 
 was waiting. 
 
 
 
 MILAREPA asked the devotee:
 
 
 
 Why have you returned, have you mastered your inner heat?
 
 
 
 And the third monk answered:
 
 
 
 No master, I'm back because I got sick and tired of all the bickering and 
 fighting!
 
 
 
 
 For OBBA:
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bydB3-k-qU
 
 
 
 
 
 From: turquoiseb 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:21 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who 
 brought it up
 
 
 
 Just so this doesn't get buried inside a topic many
 people weren't reading, here it is with a new title,
 and under a new thread.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
   
   What makes you think that this negatively charged tone
   is in THEM? It seems to me that a large number of people
   *project* such things ONTO the TM critics, because they're
   heavily attached to Maharishi and TM, and *their* buttons
   got pushed. They're experiencing emotions inside themselves
   that they perceive as negative, so they project the source
   of that perceived negativity onto the critic. 
  
  To expand upon this, Share, here's what I saw happen
  in this thread about the fundraising for Vedaland. 
  
  Based upon what Michael and Salyavin have said about
  this incident, it seems clear that the TM organization
  not only was guilty of selling shares in a venture they
  knew was not going to happen because Doug was dying,
  they did so *on long-term residence courses*, sending
  people to solicit partnerships/donations from people
  who were rounding, and thus had been instructed to
  not make any serious decisions while rounding. 
  
  OK, that strikes me as a pretty big WTF moment.
  
  And so far, in my quick re-read of the thread, it seems
  that other than Michael, Salyavin and myself, no one
  from the still-loyal-to-TM camp has really commented
  *on the issue itself*. Buck came the closest. 
  
  Most others 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread doctordumbass
It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being grounded 
in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in Silence 
within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The Silence 
within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, 
huh?:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol  wrote:

 Jim...are you serious when you say you are enlightened?  When I've read a 
 poster on FFL claim enlightenment, I've always taken it as a sarcasm.
 
 Do certain people on FFL believe they have reached enlightenment?
 
 ***
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  LOL - Gotcha!! ...and I told you I had a naughty side, but you just don't 
  listen, do ya?...Let's try it again -- HEY BARRY, I AM ENLIGHTENED, AND 
  DON'T YOU **EVER** FORGET IT!!!:-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
   
I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
**EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
   
   I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
   it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
   this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
   that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
   convince those people that the moon was made of green
   cheese. :-)
   
   And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
   about Jim's enlightened status, and who believes it,
   to chime in and agree with me. 
   
   Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
   and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
   you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
   your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
   adoration and drama it deserves! 
   
   Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
   add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
   rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
   going on the list TOO!
   
   Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
   of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
   
   I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
   plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
   at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
   pales in comparison!
   
   MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
   BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!  
  
  Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
 
 And almost completely unaware of it. All while
 considering himself enlightened. 
 
 Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
 refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
 their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
 demonization instead?
 
 I have to believe that the reason is that they
 are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
 say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
 be perceived as negative. They are probably
 so superstitious that they think Bad Things
 will happen to them if they do. :-)

   
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie…

2013-01-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
Well as you know, the rich have always been the patrons of the arts.  They 
certainly were for my uncle during his life.  And think of the Medici family in 
Florence!  They practically single-highhandedly financed Renaissance art. 

Snowmass sounds like a great place to hang, I have never been there and have 
never skied out West.  What a great family memory to snag while you can.

Let me know if you ever make it to the gallery and if you see my Uncle's 
exhibit.  Here is a link to his art there:

http://www.slam.org/emuseum/code/emuseum.asp?collection=6732collectionname=American%20Artstyle=Browsecurrentrecord=1page=collectionprofile=objectssearchdesc=American%20Artquicksearch=joe%20jones

Even without the personal connection I love his work.  I just bought a book the 
museum put out on his work after a 4 year project to collect information about 
him.  

Uncle Joe really moved to his own drummer only.  He was famous for turning down 
better paying commercial work to do things he thought were more important.  And 
he was just as subject to the vagaries of the public as artist's today.  You 
know how TV talent shows play up the personal struggle angle in their back 
stories?  When Joe moved on from his angry young man period of art, he lost 
much of the press's interest.  But his later work was in many ways even more 
interesting than his more provocative pieces. Here is one of my favorites being 
sold as a lithograph:

http://www.annexgalleries.com/inventory/detail/8159/Joe-Jones/Head-Lights-and-Tail-Lights
 




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues wrote:
 
  Hey Steve, thanks for the reply. I agree that FFL is a great place to
 be inspired to write daily. I used it that way for years.
 
  Your story about the ill fated trip to the museum as a sketch expert
 has a funny connection for me. My late uncle (not by blood
 unfortunately) was Joe Jones who is a pretty famous St. Louis painter,
 and whose biggest collection of work hangs there. He was like Woody
 Guthrie as a painter in the 30's and was famous for exposing the dark
 underbelly of oppressed people. He made some big waves with this
 painting titled American Justice
 
 
 http://artandsocialissues.cmaohio.org/web-content/images/Jones_Am-Justic\
 e_pg.jpg
 
  Here is a short documentary on his art.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBvCEdBewo8
 
  I may have to make a trip out there to see his work in the museum. He
 has some stuff in the DC National museums but they are in rotation and
 very limited. People where more interested in his socially conscious
 stuff and not as interested in his more abstract work as he evolved as a
 painter. I have some of his stuff on my walls including a beautiful one
 of the ocean at Mantoloking NJ done for my parents. He had been a
 communist in the 30's and this caused him lots of trouble, both when he
 took up the cause and when he dropped out of it.
 
  One of my few memories of being age 5 is a weird scene the year before
 he died at age 54. We were at the beach together at my Grandfather's
 place in Mantoloking NJ (tip of the hat to Alex). He was trying to
 convince me that he really was my uncle and I was having none of it. It
 really upset him that I thought he was putting me on since I had not
 spent time with him. I guess that is why it stuck in my young mind
 because he went to get my father to get me to accept him as a relative.
 I suspect any meeting with some God after death will go the same way!
 
 
 Curtis, that is so cool. I just watched the documentary. This will give
 me some excuse to visit the Art Museum.
 
 To have rubbed shoulders with an artist as a young child, and an artist
 of this caliber seems pretty remarkable.
 
 I guess I put artists on a pedestal.
 
 The family was in Snowmass CO. over Christmas, which is just down the
 road from Aspen.  One evening, we walked through town as we like to do,
 and stopped in some fancy art galleries.  The art there was just
 fantastic.  And I'm not talking about weird stuff.  But rather these
 abstractions that you refer to.  And not outlandish abstactions, but
 rather, projecting something just out of the ordinary in a remarkably
 alluring way.
 
 I mean, people may view Aspen as a place with a lot of pretention, but I
 will say that the art we saw that evening was remarkable.
 
 And some of the clientele we saw were also quite remarkable.





Re: [FairfieldLife] In space no one will hear you scream. Because you won't.....

2013-01-27 Thread Share Long
Thanks, Emily, she was a wonderful woman who I was fortunate to know for over 
50 years, mainly seeing her at weddings, etc.  I was making a joke about 2013 
but I did very much enjoy Bob's post about the constantly bickering spiritual 
disciples and Salyavin's about the human body.

Everything is covered in ice here this morning.  I've already fallen once.  On 
the right hip and elbow.  Nothing seems broken, thank you calcium supps, but 
bet I'll be sore tomorrow.  Scared to go out again.  But don't like being house 
bound.  Dithering... 





 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] In space no one will hear you scream. Because you 
won't.
 

  
Share, do you mean best post of January, 2013?  Which ones?  

My condolences and thoughts go out to you and your family today.  Emily. 




 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] In space no one will hear you scream. Because you 
won't.
 

  
Salyavin, as I read this tiny muscles around the base of each hair folicle 
tensed and the hair stood up.  But that's ok because I now know that whenever 
I'm sitting, I'm also floating.  Yay!  BTW, you and Bob Price tie for Best 
Post of 2013 IMHO (-:




.
 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie…

2013-01-27 Thread doctordumbass
Looks EXACTLY like my previous commute!!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues  wrote:

 Well as you know, the rich have always been the patrons of the arts.  They 
 certainly were for my uncle during his life.  And think of the Medici family 
 in Florence!  They practically single-highhandedly financed Renaissance art. 
 
 Snowmass sounds like a great place to hang, I have never been there and have 
 never skied out West.  What a great family memory to snag while you can.
 
 Let me know if you ever make it to the gallery and if you see my Uncle's 
 exhibit.  Here is a link to his art there:
 
 http://www.slam.org/emuseum/code/emuseum.asp?collection=6732collectionname=American%20Artstyle=Browse¤trecord=1page=collectionprofile=objectssearchdesc=American%20Artquicksearch=joe%20jones
 
 Even without the personal connection I love his work.  I just bought a book 
 the museum put out on his work after a 4 year project to collect information 
 about him.  
 
 Uncle Joe really moved to his own drummer only.  He was famous for turning 
 down better paying commercial work to do things he thought were more 
 important.  And he was just as subject to the vagaries of the public as 
 artist's today.  You know how TV talent shows play up the personal struggle 
 angle in their back stories?  When Joe moved on from his angry young man 
 period of art, he lost much of the press's interest.  But his later work was 
 in many ways even more interesting than his more provocative pieces. Here is 
 one of my favorites being sold as a lithograph:
 
 http://www.annexgalleries.com/inventory/detail/8159/Joe-Jones/Head-Lights-and-Tail-Lights
  
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues wrote:
  
   Hey Steve, thanks for the reply. I agree that FFL is a great place to
  be inspired to write daily. I used it that way for years.
  
   Your story about the ill fated trip to the museum as a sketch expert
  has a funny connection for me. My late uncle (not by blood
  unfortunately) was Joe Jones who is a pretty famous St. Louis painter,
  and whose biggest collection of work hangs there. He was like Woody
  Guthrie as a painter in the 30's and was famous for exposing the dark
  underbelly of oppressed people. He made some big waves with this
  painting titled American Justice
  
  
  http://artandsocialissues.cmaohio.org/web-content/images/Jones_Am-Justic\
  e_pg.jpg
  
   Here is a short documentary on his art.
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBvCEdBewo8
  
   I may have to make a trip out there to see his work in the museum. He
  has some stuff in the DC National museums but they are in rotation and
  very limited. People where more interested in his socially conscious
  stuff and not as interested in his more abstract work as he evolved as a
  painter. I have some of his stuff on my walls including a beautiful one
  of the ocean at Mantoloking NJ done for my parents. He had been a
  communist in the 30's and this caused him lots of trouble, both when he
  took up the cause and when he dropped out of it.
  
   One of my few memories of being age 5 is a weird scene the year before
  he died at age 54. We were at the beach together at my Grandfather's
  place in Mantoloking NJ (tip of the hat to Alex). He was trying to
  convince me that he really was my uncle and I was having none of it. It
  really upset him that I thought he was putting me on since I had not
  spent time with him. I guess that is why it stuck in my young mind
  because he went to get my father to get me to accept him as a relative.
  I suspect any meeting with some God after death will go the same way!
  
  
  Curtis, that is so cool. I just watched the documentary. This will give
  me some excuse to visit the Art Museum.
  
  To have rubbed shoulders with an artist as a young child, and an artist
  of this caliber seems pretty remarkable.
  
  I guess I put artists on a pedestal.
  
  The family was in Snowmass CO. over Christmas, which is just down the
  road from Aspen.  One evening, we walked through town as we like to do,
  and stopped in some fancy art galleries.  The art there was just
  fantastic.  And I'm not talking about weird stuff.  But rather these
  abstractions that you refer to.  And not outlandish abstactions, but
  rather, projecting something just out of the ordinary in a remarkably
  alluring way.
  
  I mean, people may view Aspen as a place with a lot of pretention, but I
  will say that the art we saw that evening was remarkable.
  
  And some of the clientele we saw were also quite remarkable.
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie…

2013-01-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
Here is a whimsical sketch he made for a friend that you may relate to as a 
married man:

http://pbfineart.com/jjones/bed_600_417.jpg




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues wrote:
 
  Hey Steve, thanks for the reply. I agree that FFL is a great place to
 be inspired to write daily. I used it that way for years.
 
  Your story about the ill fated trip to the museum as a sketch expert
 has a funny connection for me. My late uncle (not by blood
 unfortunately) was Joe Jones who is a pretty famous St. Louis painter,
 and whose biggest collection of work hangs there. He was like Woody
 Guthrie as a painter in the 30's and was famous for exposing the dark
 underbelly of oppressed people. He made some big waves with this
 painting titled American Justice
 
 
 http://artandsocialissues.cmaohio.org/web-content/images/Jones_Am-Justic\
 e_pg.jpg
 
  Here is a short documentary on his art.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBvCEdBewo8
 
  I may have to make a trip out there to see his work in the museum. He
 has some stuff in the DC National museums but they are in rotation and
 very limited. People where more interested in his socially conscious
 stuff and not as interested in his more abstract work as he evolved as a
 painter. I have some of his stuff on my walls including a beautiful one
 of the ocean at Mantoloking NJ done for my parents. He had been a
 communist in the 30's and this caused him lots of trouble, both when he
 took up the cause and when he dropped out of it.
 
  One of my few memories of being age 5 is a weird scene the year before
 he died at age 54. We were at the beach together at my Grandfather's
 place in Mantoloking NJ (tip of the hat to Alex). He was trying to
 convince me that he really was my uncle and I was having none of it. It
 really upset him that I thought he was putting me on since I had not
 spent time with him. I guess that is why it stuck in my young mind
 because he went to get my father to get me to accept him as a relative.
 I suspect any meeting with some God after death will go the same way!
 
 
 Curtis, that is so cool. I just watched the documentary. This will give
 me some excuse to visit the Art Museum.
 
 To have rubbed shoulders with an artist as a young child, and an artist
 of this caliber seems pretty remarkable.
 
 I guess I put artists on a pedestal.
 
 The family was in Snowmass CO. over Christmas, which is just down the
 road from Aspen.  One evening, we walked through town as we like to do,
 and stopped in some fancy art galleries.  The art there was just
 fantastic.  And I'm not talking about weird stuff.  But rather these
 abstractions that you refer to.  And not outlandish abstactions, but
 rather, projecting something just out of the ordinary in a remarkably
 alluring way.
 
 I mean, people may view Aspen as a place with a lot of pretention, but I
 will say that the art we saw that evening was remarkable.
 
 And some of the clientele we saw were also quite remarkable.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
  I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
  plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
  at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
  pales in comparison!
  
  MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
  BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!  
 
 Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.

And almost completely unaware of it. All while
considering himself enlightened. 

Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
demonization instead?
   
   Yes, you probably can tell you're in a cult when you 
   make excuses for the people ripping you off.
  
  I haven't seen anybody here making excuses for the
  people ripping them off. Did I miss some posts, or
  what?
 
 Must have done.

Oh, could you quote some for me, please? Or at least
paraphrase?

  What I've found fascinating in this discussion is
  the *disproportion* between the gigantic fuss the
  three of you are making of the fact that the TMers
  haven't responded to salyavin's tale of woe the way
  you think we should have, and the minimal objections
  a couple of TMers have made to the griping. That
  disproportion is what DrD was satirizing and what I
  twitted Barry about.
 
 Gigantic fuss? Griping?
 
 I'm just trying to provoke a reaction as I'm curious as 
 to what FFLers would have said and done at the time.

It's mostly Barry making the gigantic fuss, but you've
contributed.

 It would hardly be a tale of woe to you if you had donated
 would it?

Huh?

 I suspect this sort of belittling language comes 
 from the  same place as Nabby's refusal to accept that it
 even happened.

You'd suspect wrong. I don't doubt your story.

 So what would you have done Judy? Seriously, put
 yourself in my place, on a rounding course and
 suddenly on the receiving end of a slick PR pitch
 with no purpose other than to relieve you of $50,000
 for something guaranteed never to happen by a so-called
 spiritual group you probably thought was the dogs 
 bollocks up to that point.

Hard to say since I wasn't there and can't be sure how
the pitch would have come across to me.

But I got turned off on the TMO probably within a
month of beginning TM when I attended a celebration at
my local TM center (and that was before my first
residence course, so the dog's bollocks situation you
describe wouldn't have applied to me--I'd already
decided that the TMO sucked).

My guess is that I'd have ignored it, which is what I've
done with almost all the sales pitches I've ever had from
the TMO, during rounding or otherwise (only sales pitches
I experienced during rounding were for advanced programs).

Plus the fact that at no time when I was taking rounding
courses would I have had $50,000 of which to be relieved!

It simply wouldn't have been a big blip on my radar screen.
Just more silly TMO blah-blah-blah, tune it out. Vedaland
was a ridiculous notion to start with even when Henning
was still in full cry.

  Not a thing wrong, as far as I'm concerned, with
  salyavin having brought up the fundraising on that
  course, or with the three of you griping about it.
  
  But you all seem to be even more outraged that the
  TMers haven't all chimed in and denounced the TMO
  than you've been over the original offense.
 
 I think you are dreaming here, as I've said most people
 kept quite and kept their heads down to save getting in 
 trouble, like having a negative opinion is a bad thing.

Well, but isn't this one of the things you've been
outraged about?

  Could it possibly be that some of the CPs on that
  course were enjoying it and simply didn't *want* to
  spoil their experience by getting into an outraged
  frame of mind at that point, TMO or no TMO?
 
 Is that how people work? I don't think so, people would
 complain about the food or the heating in the flying room
 as loudly as they could.

Yeah, but those things are relatively trivial, not some
kind of major betrayal. Bitching and moaning is one
thing, outrage is quite another.

 And, as I have pointed out, it
 was discussed over dinner. Mostly by my instigation and 
 with most people either making excuses or refusing to get 
 involved.

That would be in accord with my suggestion, though, that
folks didn't want to ruin their rounding experience by
getting caught up in serious outrage.

  Salyavin, to your knowledge, did anybody commit
  themselves to donate *during that course*?
 
 No idea, but most of us were there for ages and 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Jackson
That was her take on the issue, not mine - the original deal was the story of 
Vedaland being pitched to CPs after weeks of rounding and the deceit onthe part 
of the PR guy when asked what was Henning doing at that moment (when the PR guy 
apparently knew he was dying) - but it brought up for me a multitude of 
unethical behavior on the part of TMO - this was for me an anecdote that 
removed possibly my last remaining good feeling toward the TMO - I had thought 
the one area where they behaved with integrity was safeguarding the 
mental/emotional stability if you will of the CPs by having only truly 
residence course related material presented to them, thereby showing they 
really were most interested in the evolution of the CPs.

Your post here Curtis shows me that I was wrong. The issue also was raised as 
to how people who still love the TMO make excuses for their unpalatable 
behavior. As far as I can see, the TMO reps have always behaved with a 
remarkably consistent unsavory flair and energy - it didn't and doesn't happen 
every day at every TM facility in the world, but the behavior is consistent and 
pervasive. And that is the most telling fact about TM and its effects. Then 
there are those like I used to be that say, Well, so and so who has been with 
M for years and is a raja is an ass, and lots of crappy things happen in the 
Movement, but TM is still something I get the good out of. 

And since I once made my way through life for years that way, I understand the 
point of view. However, if TM had the beneficial effects that are claimed for 
it in the intro lectures still today, such points of view would be unnecessary 
since the long time meditators would one and all have become exemplary figures 
in life and society. This is obviously not the case, therefore one can conclude 
that TM does not perform as advertised, does not have the long term effects 
claimed for it.

And now one can wonder if the long term effects of misusing and abusing people 
that the TMO regularly engage in is an effect of practicing TM within the 
confines of the TMO only, or is an effect of TM practice itself. 

Having known many long term TMers who are decent people, I would have to say it 
cannot be just TM practice itself. But if TM delivered on its advertised 
results, the effects should lead to a purity of thought, behavior and action 
unparalleled heretofore on earth in the organization that teaches and promotes 
it. And that hasn't happened.





 From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:39 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
who brought it up
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
  
   I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during 
   decades in the TMO.
   So far we only have your version of this.
  
  So you never taught 3rd night of checking which includes the
  sales pitch for a residence course as a mandatory part of it?
 
 The issue is sales pitches *on rounding courses*, Curtis.
 The complaint (I guess you missed it) is that you're told
 not to make major decisions (such as purchasing what is
 being sold) while you're rounding.

OK so only my residence course and fundraiser held on rounding courses apply.  
I took Nabby's word any to mean any.

 
  Never taught a residence course which also included making
  a sales pitch for advance programs like the sidhis?
 
 This is the only one of your questions that's relevant
 to the issue.
 
 But of course you can't *apply and be accepted for and
 then pay for* these advanced programs on a residence
 course. All that would have to take place after the
 course was over. So whether a pitch for the programs
 violates the no decisions while rounding recommendation
 depends on whether that means decisions that would be
 *implemented* while you were rounding (which is how I
 always understood it), as opposed to decisions you
 could only implement once the course was over (and
 had presumably had a chance to give the decision some
 non-spacey thought).
 
  Never attended any of the MANY fundraisers held at the bigger facilities 
  that I both attended or ran for years?
  
  Never promoted Ayur veda or its many products at your TM center?
  
  Were you ever a teacher in the field?  Selling programs was our total focus.
  
  The brochure version of TM that you pitch here only works on people without 
  experience of the organization, like maybe someone at an intro lecture.
  
  If I had kept all the Telexes from National commanding me to pitch the next 
  TM product through the next big campaign, I could turn them over and never 
  need sketch paper for the rest of my life.
 
 Again, the question isn't whether the TMO makes sales
 pitches; 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:
 
  Barry, Jim's enlightenment is parve. Meaning what does 
  it matter,whether he is, or he isn't?  
 
 It obviously matters a great deal to him. 
 
  You can go either way with it.
 
 Of course you can. But my point is the same as it's ever
 been -- why on Earth would you choose to demean the concept
 of enlightenment by assuming that someone with Jimbo's 
 posting history represents it?

Why on earth would you choose to demean the concept of
enlightenment by assuming there was any way to tell from
a person's behavior--*especially* one's posting history
on an electronic forum--whether they were or were not
enlightened?

It appears to me that Barry cares a lot more than DrD
does whether anyone thinks DrD is enlightened.

 For example, I've never, ever claimed to be enlightened,
 but he's claimed I have. That's called lying.

Or misunderstanding what you said.

 If you believe
 that Jimbo is enlightened, then you believe that the enlight-
 ened lie. 
 
 Jimbo has also in the past ranted that the things he says
 are true by definition because he says them.

Not quite what he's said, actually.

 The reasoning
 for this, one assumes, is that the enlightened have the
 ability to discern truth. That said, he has claimed that
 the Buddha -- someone who didn't believe in the concept
 of God -- said God is love. Doesn't that make you go a 
 little WTF?  :-)

I can't find that post, interestingly enough.

But here's something he said about that remark (*he* seems
to think he made it):

I said once that Buddha said 'God is love'. Again a positive
statement, and at the time I was commenting in such a way as to make
an equivalent statement about spiritual values, in the face of
dogma. In other words there are many ways God can be expressed,
whether or not God is God, or the Void, or Natural Law or the
Universe(s), or Namaste, or whatever. The point being that it was
fundamentally a positive statement about Buddha, vs. the endless
negative opinions Vaj (Steve) voices about the teacher of
Transcendental Meditation and its practice.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/136025




[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread Carol
Jim stated: It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always 
being grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established 
in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The 
Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds 
crazy, huh?:-)

Actually it sounds pretty nice. And it reminds me of my state of mind/body when 
I backpack. One of my goals when I backpack is to bring that state packing back 
with me when I have to re-enter the modern world. 

One of my mindfulness mentors has encouraged me to touch the silence daily. 




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:

 It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being grounded 
 in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in Silence 
 within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The Silence 
 within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, 
 huh?:-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol  wrote:
 
  Jim...are you serious when you say you are enlightened?  When I've read a 
  poster on FFL claim enlightenment, I've always taken it as a sarcasm.
  
  Do certain people on FFL believe they have reached enlightenment?
  
  ***
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   LOL - Gotcha!! ...and I told you I had a naughty side, but you just don't 
   listen, do ya?...Let's try it again -- HEY BARRY, I AM ENLIGHTENED, AND 
   DON'T YOU **EVER** FORGET IT!!!:-)
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:

 I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
 you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
 I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
 **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)

I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
convince those people that the moon was made of green
cheese. :-)

And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
about Jim's enlightened status, and who believes it,
to chime in and agree with me. 

Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
   
Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
adoration and drama it deserves! 

Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
going on the list TOO!

Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!

I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
pales in comparison!

MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!  
   
   Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
  
  And almost completely unaware of it. All while
  considering himself enlightened. 
  
  Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
  refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
  their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
  demonization instead?
  
  I have to believe that the reason is that they
  are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
  say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
  be perceived as negative. They are probably
  so superstitious that they think Bad Things
  will happen to them if they do. :-)
 

   
  
 




[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:

 That was her take on the issue, not mine

Excuse me, Michael, but what I was explaining to Curtis was
very clearly one part of what you describe as your take on
the issue:

 - the original deal was the story of Vedaland being pitched
 to CPs after weeks of rounding

Curtis hadn't realized it had to do with pitching on
rounding courses specifically.

This was the *other* part, which Curtis wasn't referring to,
so I didn't go into it:

 and the deceit onthe part of the PR guy when asked what was Henning doing at 
 that moment (when the PR guy apparently knew he was dying) - but it brought 
 up for me a multitude of unethical behavior on the part of TMO - this was for 
 me an anecdote that removed possibly my last remaining good feeling toward 
 the TMO -

Again, this is the part I was addressing with Curtis:

 I had thought the one area where they behaved with integrity was safeguarding 
 the mental/emotional stability if you will of the CPs by having only truly 
 residence course related material presented to them, thereby showing they 
 really were most interested in the evolution of the CPs.
 
 Your post here Curtis shows me that I was wrong. The issue also
 was raised as to how people who still love the TMO make excuses
 for their unpalatable behavior.

In connection with this specific issue, Michael--the Vedaland
pitch on the Croatia course--have you seen anyone here making
excuses for the TMO's behavior? If so, could you cite or quote
or at least paraphrase the posts?



 As far as I can see, the TMO reps have always behaved with a remarkably 
consistent unsavory flair and energy - it didn't and doesn't happen every day 
at every TM facility in the world, but the behavior is consistent and 
pervasive. And that is the most telling fact about TM and its effects. Then 
there are those like I used to be that say, Well, so and so who has been with 
M for years and is a raja is an ass, and lots of crappy things happen in the 
Movement, but TM is still something I get the good out of. 
 
 And since I once made my way through life for years that way, I understand 
 the point of view. However, if TM had the beneficial effects that are claimed 
 for it in the intro lectures still today, such points of view would be 
 unnecessary since the long time meditators would one and all have become 
 exemplary figures in life and society. This is obviously not the case, 
 therefore one can conclude that TM does not perform as advertised, does not 
 have the long term effects claimed for it.
 
 And now one can wonder if the long term effects of misusing and abusing 
 people that the TMO regularly engage in is an effect of practicing TM within 
 the confines of the TMO only, or is an effect of TM practice itself. 
 
 Having known many long term TMers who are decent people, I would have to say 
 it cannot be just TM practice itself. But if TM delivered on its advertised 
 results, the effects should lead to a purity of thought, behavior and action 
 unparalleled heretofore on earth in the organization that teaches and 
 promotes it. And that hasn't happened.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: curtisdeltablues 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:39 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
 who brought it up
  
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
   
I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during 
decades in the TMO.
So far we only have your version of this.
   
   So you never taught 3rd night of checking which includes the
   sales pitch for a residence course as a mandatory part of it?
  
  The issue is sales pitches *on rounding courses*, Curtis.
  The complaint (I guess you missed it) is that you're told
  not to make major decisions (such as purchasing what is
  being sold) while you're rounding.
 
 OK so only my residence course and fundraiser held on rounding courses apply. 
  I took Nabby's word any to mean any.
 
  
   Never taught a residence course which also included making
   a sales pitch for advance programs like the sidhis?
  
  This is the only one of your questions that's relevant
  to the issue.
  
  But of course you can't *apply and be accepted for and
  then pay for* these advanced programs on a residence
  course. All that would have to take place after the
  course was over. So whether a pitch for the programs
  violates the no decisions while rounding recommendation
  depends on whether that means decisions that would be
  *implemented* while you were rounding (which is how I
  always understood it), as opposed to decisions you
  could only implement once the course was over (and
  had presumably had a chance to give the decision some
  non-spacey 

[FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Carol
I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 

And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
Enlightenment?

Thanks!

PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment: 
It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being grounded 
in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in Silenc 
within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The Silence 
within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, 
huh?:-)
He stated that here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

***




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread Emily Reyn
Yes, I get to this state of mind backpacking as well, and at the beach, and 
this summer, while camping and hiking in Utah.  Once I get there, which takes 
several days sometimes (faster backpacking), it stays with me during the trip.  
I always try to bring the state back to my real life, but I can never maintain 
it long - within hours or a day or two, it's gone.  Meditation gets you there 
faster, no? 




 From: Carol jchwe...@gmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
who brought it up - to Jim
 

  
Jim stated: It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always 
being grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established 
in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The 
Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds 
crazy, huh?:-)

Actually it sounds pretty nice. And it reminds me of my state of mind/body 
when I backpack. One of my goals when I backpack is to bring that state 
packing back with me when I have to re-enter the modern world. 

One of my mindfulness mentors has encouraged me to touch the silence daily. 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:

 It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
 grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
 Silence within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The 
 Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. 
 Sounds crazy, huh?:-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol  wrote:
 
  Jim...are you serious when you say you are enlightened?  When I've read a 
  poster on FFL claim enlightenment, I've always taken it as a sarcasm.
  
  Do certain people on FFL believe they have reached enlightenment?
  
  ***
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   LOL - Gotcha!! ...and I told you I had a naughty side, but you just 
   don't listen, do ya?...Let's try it again -- HEY BARRY, I AM 
   ENLIGHTENED, AND DON'T YOU **EVER** FORGET IT!!!:-)
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:

 I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
 you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
 I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
 **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)

I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
convince those people that the moon was made of green
cheese. :-)

And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
about Jim's enlightened status, and who believes it,
to chime in and agree with me. 

Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
   
Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
adoration and drama it deserves! 

Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
going on the list TOO!

Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!

I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
pales in comparison!

MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?! 
   
   Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
  
  And almost completely unaware of it. All while
  considering himself enlightened. 
  
  Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
  refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
  their utter reliance on Kill the messenger
  demonization instead?
  
  I have to believe that the reason is that they
  are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
  say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
  be perceived as negative. They are probably
  so superstitious that they think Bad Things
  will happen to them if 

[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie…

2013-01-27 Thread Buck


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues wrote:
 
  Hey Steve, thanks for the reply. I agree that FFL is a great place to
 be inspired to write daily. I used it that way for years.
 
  Your story about the ill fated trip to the museum as a sketch expert
 has a funny connection for me. My late uncle (not by blood
 unfortunately) was Joe Jones who is a pretty famous St. Louis painter,
 and whose biggest collection of work hangs there. He was like Woody
 Guthrie as a painter in the 30's and was famous for exposing the dark
 underbelly of oppressed people. He made some big waves with this
 painting titled American Justice
 
 
 http://artandsocialissues.cmaohio.org/web-content/images/Jones_Am-Justic\
 e_pg.jpg
 
  Here is a short documentary on his art.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBvCEdBewo8
 

I'm a fan.
-Buck


  I may have to make a trip out there to see his work in the museum. He
 has some stuff in the DC National museums but they are in rotation and
 very limited. People where more interested in his socially conscious
 stuff and not as interested in his more abstract work as he evolved as a
 painter. I have some of his stuff on my walls including a beautiful one
 of the ocean at Mantoloking NJ done for my parents. He had been a
 communist in the 30's and this caused him lots of trouble, both when he
 took up the cause and when he dropped out of it.
 
  One of my few memories of being age 5 is a weird scene the year before
 he died at age 54. We were at the beach together at my Grandfather's
 place in Mantoloking NJ (tip of the hat to Alex). He was trying to
 convince me that he really was my uncle and I was having none of it. It
 really upset him that I thought he was putting me on since I had not
 spent time with him. I guess that is why it stuck in my young mind
 because he went to get my father to get me to accept him as a relative.
 I suspect any meeting with some God after death will go the same way!
 
 
 Curtis, that is so cool. I just watched the documentary. This will give
 me some excuse to visit the Art Museum.
 
 To have rubbed shoulders with an artist as a young child, and an artist
 of this caliber seems pretty remarkable.
 
 I guess I put artists on a pedestal.
 
 The family was in Snowmass CO. over Christmas, which is just down the
 road from Aspen.  One evening, we walked through town as we like to do,
 and stopped in some fancy art galleries.  The art there was just
 fantastic.  And I'm not talking about weird stuff.  But rather these
 abstractions that you refer to.  And not outlandish abstactions, but
 rather, projecting something just out of the ordinary in a remarkably
 alluring way.
 
 I mean, people may view Aspen as a place with a lot of pretention, but I
 will say that the art we saw that evening was remarkable.
 
 And some of the clientele we saw were also quite remarkable.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread salyavin808


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
  
 
 It simply wouldn't have been a big blip on my radar screen.
 Just more silly TMO blah-blah-blah, tune it out. Vedaland
 was a ridiculous notion to start with even when Henning
 was still in full cry.


What, Judy the great champion of truth and persecutor of
the dishonest wouldn't have made as much as a squeak if
someone from her so-called spiritual group tried to relieve
her of her life savings? Hah! I find that rather hard to
believe. But then I was there and saw it.

Besides, it wasn't about whether the blah-blah was going 
to happen, it's about dishonest fundraising. Of course
it was ridiculous but that didn't stop them having
a go at raising millions for it regardless of whether
it was likely or not.



   Not a thing wrong, as far as I'm concerned, with
   salyavin having brought up the fundraising on that
   course, or with the three of you griping about it.
   
   But you all seem to be even more outraged that the
   TMers haven't all chimed in and denounced the TMO
   than you've been over the original offense.
  
  I think you are dreaming here, as I've said most people
  kept quite and kept their heads down to save getting in 
  trouble, like having a negative opinion is a bad thing.
 
 Well, but isn't this one of the things you've been
 outraged about?

On the course, yes. Here, no. 

 
   Could it possibly be that some of the CPs on that
   course were enjoying it and simply didn't *want* to
   spoil their experience by getting into an outraged
   frame of mind at that point, TMO or no TMO?
  
  Is that how people work? I don't think so, people would
  complain about the food or the heating in the flying room
  as loudly as they could.
 
 Yeah, but those things are relatively trivial, not some
 kind of major betrayal. Bitching and moaning is one
 thing, outrage is quite another.

Given the scale of the difference I would say it makes
less sense not to complain about the vedascam unless
we invoke some sort of fear about rocking the boat.
Which, if you cast your mind back, I was told by teachers
on the course not to do. They all knew I was right but
couldn't bring themselves to admit it for whatever cult-
ish reason.

It's a thing in the TMO that Marshy is always right, and
that the movement can do no wrong because we act from the 
home of all the laws of nature. Beliefs like that can create
a lot of anxiety when something like this crops up all blatant
and in your face and contradicts the higher being you are 
striving for.

 

   Salyavin, to your knowledge, did anybody commit
   themselves to donate *during that course*?
  
  No idea, but most of us were there for ages and if Doug
  Henning hadn't inconsiderately gone and died a week or so
  after the pitch maybe they would have.
 
 OK. But you get the more general point I was making
 about decisions on rounding courses, right?
 
 Your experience does sound to me like an extremely
 unfortunate aberration, at least based on my own
 experience of rounding courses. And even if the pitch
 hadn't been made on a rounding course, if they really
 did know the Vedaland project was down the toilet, it
 would have been grossly dishonest.

Oh, they knew alright. That's the most sickening thing to
me, they way Mr smarm ducked the question about how Doug
was at the time, knowing he was on his death bed but showing
a movie about his life and telling us what a great guy he was.
It was cynicism of a very high order. 

So I shall continue to be outraged on behalf of everyone
on the course who had their evening ruined, and potentially
their bank account emptied by a slick, bullshitting, money 
grabbing cocksucker from the age of enlightenment.







[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread Carol
Is it that one can get there faster through meditation...or is it meditation is 
more easily accessible than to going backpacking? 

When I walk dogs, I enter a similar state. So maybe I prefer a walking 
meditation.

**



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:

 Yes, I get to this state of mind backpacking as well, and at the beach, and 
 this summer, while camping and hiking in Utah.  Once I get there, which 
 takes several days sometimes (faster backpacking), it stays with me during 
 the trip.  I always try to bring the state back to my real life, but I can 
 never maintain it long - within hours or a day or two, it's gone.  
 Meditation gets you there faster, no? 
 
 
 
 
  From: Carol 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:38 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
 who brought it up - to Jim
  
 
   
 Jim stated: It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always 
 being grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is 
 established in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to infect 
 everything else. The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, 
 destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)
 
 Actually it sounds pretty nice. And it reminds me of my state of mind/body 
 when I backpack. One of my goals when I backpack is to bring that state 
 packing back with me when I have to re-enter the modern world. 
 
 One of my mindfulness mentors has encouraged me to touch the silence 
 daily. 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
  grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established 
  in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. 
  The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. 
  Sounds crazy, huh?:-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol  wrote:
  
   Jim...are you serious when you say you are enlightened?  When I've read 
   a poster on FFL claim enlightenment, I've always taken it as a sarcasm.
   
   Do certain people on FFL believe they have reached enlightenment?
   
   ***
   
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
   
LOL - Gotcha!! ...and I told you I had a naughty side, but you just 
don't listen, do ya?...Let's try it again -- HEY BARRY, I AM 
ENLIGHTENED, AND DON'T YOU **EVER** FORGET IT!!!:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
  you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
  I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
  **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
 
 I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
 it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
 this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
 that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
 convince those people that the moon was made of green
 cheese. :-)
 
 And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
 about Jim's enlightened status, and who believes it,
 to chime in and agree with me. 
 
 Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
 and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
 you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:

 Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
 your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
 adoration and drama it deserves! 
 
 Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
 add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
 rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
 going on the list TOO!
 
 Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
 of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
 
 I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
 plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
 at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
 pales in comparison!
 
 MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
 BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?! 

Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
   
   And almost completely unaware of it. All while
   considering himself enlightened. 
   
   Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
   refusal to deal with the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread dhamiltony2k5
I really feel that if we could just sit to meditate together then you'd come to 
understand the truly larger Good you rile against.  You guys just need to come 
back, get your meditation checked, sit in a group meditation, listen to an 
advanced lecture again and then you'd see what mischief in nature you are doing 
mucking and raking all this negativity of yours.
I live in my skin, the blanket of FFL. You guys and ladies, are my warmth.
Obba, get off my blanket,
-Buck

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:

 The unbounded faith which conservative Meditators have in their own 
 principles, and the way they regard the principles and practices of other 
 techniques, approach intolerance on their part.  They believe they are guided 
 to their convictions by the Spirit of Truth, and they really think they have 
 arrived at absolutely correct conclusions, and that any other opinions are 
 wrong.  They think that all who differ from them would agree with them if 
 they had sufficient light….
 -Buck
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
  
   Why on earth would anyone make up something like that? 
   There are far too many stories that abound about unethical 
   behavior on the part of the TMO for people to have to 
   make any up.
  
  According to Nabby, anyone who says such things is on
  the payroll of the CIA, or the Dalai Lama. I don't know
  about you, but if this is true, my payroll checks have
  been lost in the mail.  :-)
  
  More seriously, there are a number of people here whose
  world view is so precarious that they believe that anyone
  who says anything that threatens that world view is
  attacking them. They're terrified of allowing the (in
  their view) heretical ideas into their awareness, so 
  they either retreat into nostalgic ideas of the move-
  ment and ignore them, or play Kill the messenger and
  try to suppress them.
  
  I think it's sad, and if this mindset is the legacy of
  the decades they've spent meditating, an even sadder one.
  
   
From: nablusoss1008 
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:42 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the 
   people who brought it up

   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:

 I can honestly say I went on a lot of residence courses, and was 
 never asked to donate money, or purchase *anything*. Wasn't a perfect 
 experience, but this rapaciousness you attribute to the reps of the 
 TMO was just never present whenever I interacted with them. Not once, 
 during major national courses, residence courses, or working for the 
 TMO on staff, was I ever asked for donations, or to get the next big 
 thing. This is some tape loop in your head, that does not match 
 reality. And you know what they say, where there's smoke, there's 
 fire...:-)

Ah, so we imagined it all. Fascinating evasion.
   
   I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during 
   decades in the TMO.
   So far we only have your version of this.
  
 




[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie…

2013-01-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
Hey Buck,

I thought you could appreciate his dedication to depicting the working 
Mid-Western farmer in his daily toil.  He was drawn to the honest laborer,loved 
the Mid West, and felt this class of person was not getting a fair shake in the 
capitalist system, even though they were doing the heavy lifting (literally as 
well as figuratively) for the country.   He was commissioned to document the 
lives of people in the dust bowl and depict their suffering. That is what lead 
to him embracing Communism, which right after the depression was not an 
unreasonable dream.  But like many utopian dreams, it too didn't quite pan out 
as hoped, and he abandoned that view later.  It still haunted him having BEEN a 
commie during the shameful Mccarthy era and caused his family much economic 
suffering.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues wrote:
  
   Hey Steve, thanks for the reply. I agree that FFL is a great place to
  be inspired to write daily. I used it that way for years.
  
   Your story about the ill fated trip to the museum as a sketch expert
  has a funny connection for me. My late uncle (not by blood
  unfortunately) was Joe Jones who is a pretty famous St. Louis painter,
  and whose biggest collection of work hangs there. He was like Woody
  Guthrie as a painter in the 30's and was famous for exposing the dark
  underbelly of oppressed people. He made some big waves with this
  painting titled American Justice
  
  
  http://artandsocialissues.cmaohio.org/web-content/images/Jones_Am-Justic\
  e_pg.jpg
  
   Here is a short documentary on his art.
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBvCEdBewo8
  
 
 I'm a fan.
 -Buck
 
 
   I may have to make a trip out there to see his work in the museum. He
  has some stuff in the DC National museums but they are in rotation and
  very limited. People where more interested in his socially conscious
  stuff and not as interested in his more abstract work as he evolved as a
  painter. I have some of his stuff on my walls including a beautiful one
  of the ocean at Mantoloking NJ done for my parents. He had been a
  communist in the 30's and this caused him lots of trouble, both when he
  took up the cause and when he dropped out of it.
  
   One of my few memories of being age 5 is a weird scene the year before
  he died at age 54. We were at the beach together at my Grandfather's
  place in Mantoloking NJ (tip of the hat to Alex). He was trying to
  convince me that he really was my uncle and I was having none of it. It
  really upset him that I thought he was putting me on since I had not
  spent time with him. I guess that is why it stuck in my young mind
  because he went to get my father to get me to accept him as a relative.
  I suspect any meeting with some God after death will go the same way!
  
  
  Curtis, that is so cool. I just watched the documentary. This will give
  me some excuse to visit the Art Museum.
  
  To have rubbed shoulders with an artist as a young child, and an artist
  of this caliber seems pretty remarkable.
  
  I guess I put artists on a pedestal.
  
  The family was in Snowmass CO. over Christmas, which is just down the
  road from Aspen.  One evening, we walked through town as we like to do,
  and stopped in some fancy art galleries.  The art there was just
  fantastic.  And I'm not talking about weird stuff.  But rather these
  abstractions that you refer to.  And not outlandish abstactions, but
  rather, projecting something just out of the ordinary in a remarkably
  alluring way.
  
  I mean, people may view Aspen as a place with a lot of pretention, but I
  will say that the art we saw that evening was remarkable.
  
  And some of the clientele we saw were also quite remarkable.
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Carol
Salyavin stated: So I shall continue to be outraged on behalf of everyone on 
the course who had their evening ruined, and potentially their bank account 
emptied by a slick, bullshitting, money 
 grabbing cocksucker from the age of enlightenment.

I'm trying to recall Sal, if you are the one that criticized me for posting 
here about Knapp...stating I had grudge or something like that? (I'm not saying 
that you have a grudge...but what is the difference in my being angry regarding 
Knapp's misuse and ab-use of people and their money and your anger regarding 
the hypocrisy of the TMO?)

Knapp isn't the TMO...but there are quite a few folks who deem Knapp's CHSCA 
actions in a similar light which you have posted here regarding the TMO. Except 
Knapp's wanna-be dream could have been called the age of healing while just 
being human.

And maybe you aren't the one that criticized me. I can't recall if it was you 
or Feste. 

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
   
  
  It simply wouldn't have been a big blip on my radar screen.
  Just more silly TMO blah-blah-blah, tune it out. Vedaland
  was a ridiculous notion to start with even when Henning
  was still in full cry.
 
 
 What, Judy the great champion of truth and persecutor of
 the dishonest wouldn't have made as much as a squeak if
 someone from her so-called spiritual group tried to relieve
 her of her life savings? Hah! I find that rather hard to
 believe. But then I was there and saw it.
 
 Besides, it wasn't about whether the blah-blah was going 
 to happen, it's about dishonest fundraising. Of course
 it was ridiculous but that didn't stop them having
 a go at raising millions for it regardless of whether
 it was likely or not.
 
 
 
Not a thing wrong, as far as I'm concerned, with
salyavin having brought up the fundraising on that
course, or with the three of you griping about it.

But you all seem to be even more outraged that the
TMers haven't all chimed in and denounced the TMO
than you've been over the original offense.
   
   I think you are dreaming here, as I've said most people
   kept quite and kept their heads down to save getting in 
   trouble, like having a negative opinion is a bad thing.
  
  Well, but isn't this one of the things you've been
  outraged about?
 
 On the course, yes. Here, no. 
 
  
Could it possibly be that some of the CPs on that
course were enjoying it and simply didn't *want* to
spoil their experience by getting into an outraged
frame of mind at that point, TMO or no TMO?
   
   Is that how people work? I don't think so, people would
   complain about the food or the heating in the flying room
   as loudly as they could.
  
  Yeah, but those things are relatively trivial, not some
  kind of major betrayal. Bitching and moaning is one
  thing, outrage is quite another.
 
 Given the scale of the difference I would say it makes
 less sense not to complain about the vedascam unless
 we invoke some sort of fear about rocking the boat.
 Which, if you cast your mind back, I was told by teachers
 on the course not to do. They all knew I was right but
 couldn't bring themselves to admit it for whatever cult-
 ish reason.
 
 It's a thing in the TMO that Marshy is always right, and
 that the movement can do no wrong because we act from the 
 home of all the laws of nature. Beliefs like that can create
 a lot of anxiety when something like this crops up all blatant
 and in your face and contradicts the higher being you are 
 striving for.
 
  
 
Salyavin, to your knowledge, did anybody commit
themselves to donate *during that course*?
   
   No idea, but most of us were there for ages and if Doug
   Henning hadn't inconsiderately gone and died a week or so
   after the pitch maybe they would have.
  
  OK. But you get the more general point I was making
  about decisions on rounding courses, right?
  
  Your experience does sound to me like an extremely
  unfortunate aberration, at least based on my own
  experience of rounding courses. And even if the pitch
  hadn't been made on a rounding course, if they really
  did know the Vedaland project was down the toilet, it
  would have been grossly dishonest.
 
 Oh, they knew alright. That's the most sickening thing to
 me, they way Mr smarm ducked the question about how Doug
 was at the time, knowing he was on his death bed but showing
 a movie about his life and telling us what a great guy he was.
 It was cynicism of a very high order. 
 
 So I shall continue to be outraged on behalf of everyone
 on the course who had their evening ruined, and potentially
 their bank account emptied by a slick, bullshitting, money 
 grabbing cocksucker from the age of enlightenment.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread Emily Reyn
Ha ha ha.I take a lot of long daily dog walks myself - and the dog needs 
these as well.  It's the time it all takes that I need to address.  And 
swimming works wonders for me as well - lots of breathing.  




 From: Carol jchwe...@gmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:20 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
who brought it up - to Jim
 

  
Is it that one can get there faster through meditation...or is it meditation 
is more easily accessible than to going backpacking? 

When I walk dogs, I enter a similar state. So maybe I prefer a walking 
meditation.

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:

 Yes, I get to this state of mind backpacking as well, and at the beach, and 
 this summer, while camping and hiking in Utah.  Once I get there, which 
 takes several days sometimes (faster backpacking), it stays with me during 
 the trip.  I always try to bring the state back to my real life, but I can 
 never maintain it long - within hours or a day or two, it's gone.  
 Meditation gets you there faster, no? 
 
 
 
 
  From: Carol 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:38 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the 
 people who brought it up - to Jim
  
 
   
 Jim stated: It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always 
 being grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is 
 established in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to infect 
 everything else. The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, 
 destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)
 
 Actually it sounds pretty nice. And it reminds me of my state of mind/body 
 when I backpack. One of my goals when I backpack is to bring that state 
 packing back with me when I have to re-enter the modern world. 
 
 One of my mindfulness mentors has encouraged me to touch the silence 
 daily. 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
  grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established 
  in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. 
  The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or 
  disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol  wrote:
  
   Jim...are you serious when you say you are enlightened?  When I've read 
   a poster on FFL claim enlightenment, I've always taken it as a sarcasm.
   
   Do certain people on FFL believe they have reached enlightenment?
   
   ***
   
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
   
LOL - Gotcha!! ...and I told you I had a naughty side, but you just 
don't listen, do ya?...Let's try it again -- HEY BARRY, I AM 
ENLIGHTENED, AND DON'T YOU **EVER** FORGET IT!!!:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
  you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
  I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
  **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
 
 I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
 it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
 this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
 that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
 convince those people that the moon was made of green
 cheese. :-)
 
 And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
 about Jim's enlightened status, and who believes it,
 to chime in and agree with me. 
 
 Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
 and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
 you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:

 Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
 your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
 adoration and drama it deserves! 
 
 Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
 add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
 rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
 going on the list TOO!
 
 Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
 of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
 
 I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
 plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
 at the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
  
  It simply wouldn't have been a big blip on my radar screen.
  Just more silly TMO blah-blah-blah, tune it out. Vedaland
  was a ridiculous notion to start with even when Henning
  was still in full cry.
 
 What, Judy the great champion of truth and persecutor of
 the dishonest wouldn't have made as much as a squeak if
 someone from her so-called spiritual group tried to relieve
 her of her life savings?

Not when she was on a rounding course, no (not least because
she didn't have any life savings to be relieved of, as I've
already noted).

 Hah! I find that rather hard to
 believe. But then I was there and saw it.
 
 Besides, it wasn't about whether the blah-blah was going 
 to happen, it's about dishonest fundraising.

Right. My point was that I would have paid too little
attention to the blah-blah-blah even to notice that it
was dishonest.

 Of course
 it was ridiculous but that didn't stop them having
 a go at raising millions for it regardless of whether
 it was likely or not.
 
Not a thing wrong, as far as I'm concerned, with
salyavin having brought up the fundraising on that
course, or with the three of you griping about it.

But you all seem to be even more outraged that the
TMers haven't all chimed in and denounced the TMO
than you've been over the original offense.
   
   I think you are dreaming here, as I've said most people
   kept quite and kept their heads down to save getting in 
   trouble, like having a negative opinion is a bad thing.
  
  Well, but isn't this one of the things you've been
  outraged about?
 
 On the course, yes. Here, no.

OK, I guess that's just Barry, then. And as I suggested,
his outrage is more a matter of grabbing yet another
opportunity to dump on his critics here.

Could it possibly be that some of the CPs on that
course were enjoying it and simply didn't *want* to
spoil their experience by getting into an outraged
frame of mind at that point, TMO or no TMO?
   
   Is that how people work? I don't think so, people would
   complain about the food or the heating in the flying room
   as loudly as they could.
  
  Yeah, but those things are relatively trivial, not some
  kind of major betrayal. Bitching and moaning is one
  thing, outrage is quite another.
 
 Given the scale of the difference I would say it makes
 less sense not to complain about the vedascam unless
 we invoke some sort of fear about rocking the boat.

I still think that for *some* people, at least, it could
have been about not wanting to get themselves all riled
up about the perfidy of the TMO while they were rounding.

 Which, if you cast your mind back, I was told by teachers
 on the course not to do. They all knew I was right but
 couldn't bring themselves to admit it for whatever cult-
 ish reason.
 
 It's a thing in the TMO that Marshy is always right, and
 that the movement can do no wrong because we act from the 
 home of all the laws of nature. Beliefs like that can create
 a lot of anxiety when something like this crops up all blatant
 and in your face and contradicts the higher being you are 
 striving for.

No doubt for some; I wouldn't deny that. It's the
generalizations about TMers I'm pushing back against.
Not all of them by any means are TBs in the sense of
fanatical devotion to MMY and the TMO.




Salyavin, to your knowledge, did anybody commit
themselves to donate *during that course*?
   
   No idea, but most of us were there for ages and if Doug
   Henning hadn't inconsiderately gone and died a week or so
   after the pitch maybe they would have.
  
  OK. But you get the more general point I was making
  about decisions on rounding courses, right?
  
  Your experience does sound to me like an extremely
  unfortunate aberration, at least based on my own
  experience of rounding courses. And even if the pitch
  hadn't been made on a rounding course, if they really
  did know the Vedaland project was down the toilet, it
  would have been grossly dishonest.
 
 Oh, they knew alright. That's the most sickening thing to
 me, they way Mr smarm ducked the question about how Doug
 was at the time, knowing he was on his death bed but showing
 a movie about his life and telling us what a great guy he was.
 It was cynicism of a very high order. 
 
 So I shall continue to be outraged on behalf of everyone
 on the course who had their evening ruined, and potentially
 their bank account emptied by a slick, bullshitting, money 
 grabbing cocksucker from the age of enlightenment.





[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie…

2013-01-27 Thread merudanda
Hiroshige's oeuvre was Van Gogh's main reference to the extent
that all the scenes and landscapes painted by Van Gogh from 1887 onward
are direct or indirect references to Hiroshige's art.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WETfTMWDgic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WETfTMWDgic

I am sure you are aware  that this first exhibition of Hiroshige and van
Gogh in Paris, two exhibitions displayed simultaneously in both spaces
of the Pinacothèque de Paris, was made possible thanks to the
important work carried out by the exhibition curator Prof. Dr. M.F.M.
(Matthi) Forrer , an eminent specialist of Hiroshige's art and
curator in the Leiden museum and extraordinary professor  at Leiden
University Institute for Area Studies (LIAS)( BTW Vincent van Gogh's
grandfather received his degree of theology at the University of Leiden
in 1811).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZbDL44O1yw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZbDL44O1yw

 
[http://www.neurope.eu/sites/default/files/imagecache/maing_image_detail\
/NE16-17_NE16-17-2_4.jpg] Enjoy this tribute to Hiroshige by
DigitalMillennium·
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K677NHsBDxE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K677NHsBDxE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 Just to riff on this further, since you mentioned Van
 Gogh, one of the most fascinating juxtapositions in
 the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam is a room in which
 a couple of paintings created by Van Gogh when he was
 an art student are displayed side by side with the
 examples he was supposed to be *copying* for the
 scholastic exercise.

 The two examples were both Japanese woodcuts, new
 to Europe at the time, because Japan had been so
 isolated for so long. Both of the orginals were beautiful
 in their simplicity and in their composition. Van Gogh's
 task in school had been to copy them.

 His paintings on one level look like crude, barely-
 competent attempts to duplicate what the originals
 were. His boundaries are smeared, his use of colors
 deviate from the originals, and on one level his
 copies look remarkably like what they were -- the
 attempts by a beginning art student to copy something
 he was incapable of copying.

 On another level, already -- at that age -- they were
 also undeniably Van Goghs. He couldn't bring himself
 to copy them as they were; he had to do it his way.

 This may present the juxtaposition of the value of
 training and its relationship with the development
 of one's own vision as an artist.






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\
 62/fig1.jpg]

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues  wrote:
 
  I know, a little Man Bites Dog headline, huh?  But since you are
 here anyway…
 
  I was lying to some little kids again.  I mean not lying, lying but
 tossing some bullshit that all of a sudden I began to smell.  I was in
a
 Title One school (poorest kids in their county) teaching them to write
a
 blues song to help them understand the difference between character
 traits and feelings, which for a first grader is at the top of their
 cognitive limits.  (Feelings change in the story, but character traits
 persist to define how a character will behave in the story. Hopefully
 character traits can also change through education, or we are all
kinda
 screwed, but you see the simple difference right?)
 
  I was drawing a picture web of ideas using characters from their
story
 about a fox and a mouse and was drawing a really, really shitty fox. 
I
 mean worse than cave man on cave wall shitty. (No offense to our
 ancestors meant some of them drew better than I did.)  I told the kids
 that as a musician I tend to pay more attention to my ears so I
practice
 music but not drawing.  All this is sort of true, but what was a
 stinking lie was the implication that somehow this preference defined
my
 character trait as a musician guy who can't draw.  It sent me into
 introspection on my long drive home.
 
  WTF?  Why was I shitty at drawing and was it really based on my
 sensory preference?  Or was it something that had just been overlooked
 in my education, cast aside as something adults don't need to know how
 to do? What other area of knowledge is it acceptable for adults to
 perform at a first grade level? (Oh sorry that is a two digit number
and
 I don't do math that high!)
 
  As I reflected on my art classes I remember being taught how to use
 certain mediums, but never having anyone show me how to draw.  It
seemed
 to be accepted that some kids were talented (I am beginning to hate
 that word as a total cop-out in art.) and they could do this magical
 thing called drawing.  And then there was me, a special Ed artist to
 this day.  Was this just a limit I needed to accept, or had my
 educational system failed me?
 
  I needed to know, so I went to the library and took out a big stack
of
 how-to-draw books including one on drawing animal cartoons.  In a few
 moments I knew I had been selling myself and others a bill of goods
 

[FairfieldLife] The uncensored Jesus

2013-01-27 Thread salyavin808

This is certainly eye opening, the kid had quite a talent:
Written in the early second century, around the same time most scholars
date the four Gospels in the Bible, the Infancy Gospel of Thomas picks
up the story a few years after the dragon taming. Back in Nazareth now,
five-year-old Jesus was playing beside a small brook with some other
children, forming pools of water to make clay. (Fun had yet to be
invented.) Jesus formed some sparrows out of the clay and, since he was
not the figurine-collecting type, decided to give the sculptures life,
and off they flew on his command. One of the children playing with Jesus
saw this and, rather than thinking, Holy shit! That kid can create life
with a word -- I should probably not walk up behind him and start
splashing his pools with a stick, instead walked up behind him and
started splashing his pools with a stick. And Christ just goes apeshit:

O evil, ungodly, and foolish one, what hurt did the pools and the
waters do thee? Behold, now also thou shalt be withered like a tree, and
shalt not bear leaves, neither root, nor fruit. And straightway that
lad withered up wholly.
-- Infancy Gospel of Thomas 3:2-3


Read more:
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h-jesus-kicks-some-ass.html#ixzz2JCs2G2AD
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Share Long
Carol me and many of my long term TM friends could care less if we're 
enlightened.  But I want to respond to your exchange with Emily about 
backpacking, walking the dog, etc.

I remember the first time I meditated in March 1975 I thought, oh, I've had 
this 
before.  It was very familiar to me.  From sometimes getting in the zone
 when I played sports.  Sometimes snoozing in the hammock in the backyard
 after work.  Sometimes from dancing to my favorite music.  Body surfing!  
Sometimes from
 marijuana.  And I definitely wanted that relaxed but alive experience 
in a natural way.  I think that's what I get with TM.  

I really like 
Maharishi's analogy for this:  meditating is like dipping a cloth in the dye 
where the cloth is your nervous system and the dye is Being or pure 
consciousness or what Doc calls Silence.  Then engaging in daily 
activity is like putting the cloth in the sun.  The color fades, but not 
completely.  What color is left after fading in the sun, that color is 
permanent.  Then dip in dye again, then fade again, over and over until 
one day the color is totally permanent.  Being or Silence is permanently 
experienced along with all other states.  Maharishi calls it restful 
alertness and for me that phrase captures its quality of being both settled and 
potentially full of activity.   

I'd say practicing TM makes the whole process not necessarily faster but more 
reliable.  




 From: Carol jchwe...@gmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:45 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 

And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
Enlightenment?

Thanks!

PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment: 
It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being grounded 
in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in Silenc 
within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The Silence 
within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, 
huh?:-)
He stated that here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

***


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

I like swimming underwater and have put on my wish listgills. ;D



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:

 Ha ha ha.I take a lot of long daily dog walks myself - and the dog needs 
 these as well.  It's the time it all takes that I need to address.  And 
 swimming works wonders for me as well - lots of breathing.  
 
 
 
 
  From: Carol 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:20 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
 who brought it up - to Jim
  
 
   
 Is it that one can get there faster through meditation...or is it meditation 
 is more easily accessible than to going backpacking? 
 
 When I walk dogs, I enter a similar state. So maybe I prefer a walking 
 meditation.
 
 **
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
 
  Yes, I get to this state of mind backpacking as well, and at the beach, 
  and this summer, while camping and hiking in Utah.  Once I get there, 
  which takes several days sometimes (faster backpacking), it stays with me 
  during the trip.  I always try to bring the state back to my real life, 
  but I can never maintain it long - within hours or a day or two, it's 
  gone.  Meditation gets you there faster, no? 
  
  
  
  
   From: Carol 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:38 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the 
  people who brought it up - to Jim
   
  
    
  Jim stated: It is anything but a static state, first experienced as 
  always being grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is 
  established in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to infect 
  everything else. The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, 
  destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)
  
  Actually it sounds pretty nice. And it reminds me of my state of 
  mind/body when I backpack. One of my goals when I backpack is to bring 
  that state packing back with me when I have to re-enter the modern world. 
  
  One of my mindfulness mentors has encouraged me to touch the silence 
  daily. 
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
   grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is 
   established in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to infect 
   everything else. The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, 
   destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol  wrote:
   
Jim...are you serious when you say you are enlightened?  When I've 
read a poster on FFL claim enlightenment, I've always taken it as a 
sarcasm.

Do certain people on FFL believe they have reached enlightenment?

***



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:

 LOL - Gotcha!! ...and I told you I had a naughty side, but you just 
 don't listen, do ya?...Let's try it again -- HEY BARRY, I AM 
 ENLIGHTENED, AND DON'T YOU **EVER** FORGET IT!!!:-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
   you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
   I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
   **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
  
  I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
  it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
  this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
  that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
  convince those people that the moon was made of green
  cheese. :-)
  
  And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
  about Jim's enlightened status, and who believes it,
  to chime in and agree with me. 
  
  Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
  and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
  you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
  your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full 
  respect, 
  adoration and drama it deserves! 
  
  Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
  add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
  rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
  going on the list TOO!
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Carol
Thanks for the response Share.

You brought to mind my experiences when I used to jog. I had forgotten about 
those. I mostly would go on a jog for my mind, not my body.

So MMY used the term restful alertness. Is restful alertness the same as 
enlightenment?

I'm currently on Day 10 of a 15 to 30 day smoothie and juice fast...and I find 
myself again in a, hmmm'other' state of mind. Not sure how to describe it 
yet though. 



  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 Carol me and many of my long term TM friends could care less if we're 
 enlightened.  But I want to respond to your exchange with Emily about 
 backpacking, walking the dog, etc.
 
 I remember the first time I meditated in March 1975 I thought, oh, I've had 
 this 
 before.  It was very familiar to me.  From sometimes getting in the zone
  when I played sports.  Sometimes snoozing in the hammock in the backyard
  after work.  Sometimes from dancing to my favorite music.  Body surfing!  
 Sometimes from
  marijuana.  And I definitely wanted that relaxed but alive experience 
 in a natural way.  I think that's what I get with TM.  
 
 I really like 
 Maharishi's analogy for this:  meditating is like dipping a cloth in the dye 
 where the cloth is your nervous system and the dye is Being or pure 
 consciousness or what Doc calls Silence.  Then engaging in daily 
 activity is like putting the cloth in the sun.  The color fades, but not 
 completely.  What color is left after fading in the sun, that color is 
 permanent.  Then dip in dye again, then fade again, over and over until 
 one day the color is totally permanent.  Being or Silence is permanently 
 experienced along with all other states.  Maharishi calls it restful 
 alertness and for me that phrase captures its quality of being both settled 
 and potentially full of activity.   
 
 I'd say practicing TM makes the whole process not necessarily faster but more 
 reliable.  
 
 
 
 
  From: Carol 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:45 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
  
 
   
 I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
 have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 
 
 And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
 Enlightenment?
 
 Thanks!
 
 PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment: 
 It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
 grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
 Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The 
 Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds 
 crazy, huh?:-)
 He stated that here: 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754
 
 ***




[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread Ravi Chivukula
Meditation gets you there faster, no?
No this is a wrong notion that I see being perpetuated by everyone I
hear. Meditation lets you purify your body, mind and senses so the
transition is smoother, easier when the mystical energy descends. When
this happens and if it indeed happens is a big question mark and has no
relation to a regular meditation practice such as in my case. Two years
down the line I seem to agree with Vaj that TM is an unhealthy
meditation technique that can cause abnormal states of mind - better to
stick with hatha yoga, pranaayama etc. So enlightenment is not an
achievement.  This is the problem I had with most on Batgap - what most
are describing there are some altered states of consciousness created by
their meditation techniques.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:

 Yes, I get to this state of mind backpacking as well, and at the
beach, and this summer, while camping and hiking in Utah. Â Once I
get there, which takes several days sometimes (faster backpacking), it
stays with me during the trip. Â I always try to bring the state back
to my real life, but I can never maintain it long - within hours or a
day or two, it's gone. Â Meditation gets you there faster, no?Â



 
  From: Carol
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:38 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the
people who brought it up - to Jim
 
 
 Â
 Jim stated: It is anything but a static state, first experienced as
always being grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person
is established in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to infect
everything else. The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed,
destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)
 
 Actually it sounds pretty nice. And it reminds me of my state of
mind/body when I backpack. One of my goals when I backpack is to bring
that state packing back with me when I have to re-enter the modern
world.
 
 One of my mindfulness mentors has encouraged me to touch the
silence daily.
 
 




[FairfieldLife] Re: Co$ in the news again.....to Michael

2013-01-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:
 
 Hey Share,

Translation: Hey, Judy,...(but I'm pretending I'm writing
to Share, aren't I clever?)

snip
 And along these same lines, it would not occur to me to try
 to demean a person who is not a native speaker, because they
 make ocassional errors in how they write.  Or when I diagree
 with them, to use that as some kind of crudgel.

For the record (I don't expect you to understand this, Steve),
navashok's problems with English go way beyond the occasional
errors in how he writes.

He frequently bases his arguments and attacks on
misunderstandings of what his target has written, and
refuses to accept that he could possibly have done so. He
often misses context and nuance (although this could be at
least partly an intellectual deficit as well as a language
deficit). Plus which, his own writing is often incoherent.

If he weren't so obnoxious in his misguided attacks, I
wouldn't be so inclined to demean him for his lack of
fluency in English, nor would I rub his nose in his
occasional errors in how he writes. But he needs to
feel a lot arrogant about his English skills if he's
going to get into big fights; he needs to be aware of
how often he misconstrues what the person he's fighting
with has written.

He's at a disadvantage that isn't really his fault, but
he needs to *recognize* this and leave room for the
possibility that he gets things wrong because of it.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Jackson
Bucky, Bucky, I do actually appreciate your unflagging hopefulness, and your 
invitation to meditate together. I will if ever in your town be happy to 
meditate with you and anyone else you invite, but not of course, in the Dome 
since, if your suspicion is correct that the TMO lurks on FFL they will have my 
name and particulars on every Don't let this unstressing SOB in the Dome, he's 
probably a rakshasa!

But you must understand that to people like me the idea of having my 
meditation checked is anathema since it implies that I am off the path and 
just need to get back onto PROPER tm practice for me to get straightened out. 

But nex time I get up your way, we can meditate together and then I will treat 
you to a good fried chicken, biscuits and milk gravy supper.

I notice that you only seem to get excised at the enormities of the TMO if by 
their behavior they shoo people away from the Domes - do not you see that all 
these TMO crimes we discuss here ARE the reason folks quit TM and don't leap 
about in the Golden Domes of Pure Knowledge





 From: dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
who brought it up
 

  
I really feel that if we could just sit to meditate together then you'd come to 
understand the truly larger Good you rile against.  You guys just need to come 
back, get your meditation checked, sit in a group meditation, listen to an 
advanced lecture again and then you'd see what mischief in nature you are doing 
mucking and raking all this negativity of yours.
I live in my skin, the blanket of FFL. You guys and ladies, are my warmth.
Obba, get off my blanket,
-Buck 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:

 The unbounded faith which conservative Meditators have in their own 
 principles, and the way they regard the principles and practices of other 
 techniques, approach intolerance on their part.  They believe they are guided 
 to their convictions by the Spirit of Truth, and they really think they have 
 arrived at absolutely correct conclusions, and that any other opinions are 
 wrong.  They think that all who differ from them would agree with them if 
 they had sufficient light….
 -Buck
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
  
   Why on earth would anyone make up something like that? 
   There are far too many stories that abound about unethical 
   behavior on the part of the TMO for people to have to 
   make any up.
  
  According to Nabby, anyone who says such things is on
  the payroll of the CIA, or the Dalai Lama. I don't know
  about you, but if this is true, my payroll checks have
  been lost in the mail.  :-)
  
  More seriously, there are a number of people here whose
  world view is so precarious that they believe that anyone
  who says anything that threatens that world view is
  attacking them. They're terrified of allowing the (in
  their view) heretical ideas into their awareness, so 
  they either retreat into nostalgic ideas of the move-
  ment and ignore them, or play Kill the messenger and
  try to suppress them.
  
  I think it's sad, and if this mindset is the legacy of
  the decades they've spent meditating, an even sadder one.
  
   
From: nablusoss1008 
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:42 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the 
   people who brought it up
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:

 I can honestly say I went on a lot of residence courses, and was 
 never asked to donate money, or purchase *anything*. Wasn't a perfect 
 experience, but this rapaciousness you attribute to the reps of the 
 TMO was just never present whenever I interacted with them. Not once, 
 during major national courses, residence courses, or working for the 
 TMO on staff, was I ever asked for donations, or to get the next big 
 thing. This is some tape loop in your head, that does not match 
 reality. And you know what they say, where there's smoke, there's 
 fire...:-)

Ah, so we imagined it all. Fascinating evasion.
   
   I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during 
   decades in the TMO.
   So far we only have your version of this.
  
 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread Carol
I find your response interesting. Ravi, I started another thread regarding 
enlightenment here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333764

Would you mind commenting on that thread? (Just to keep the comments together. 
Hope that is an okay request here on FFL.) 

In your words, what is enlightenment?

Thank you!
*

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

 Meditation gets you there faster, no?
 No this is a wrong notion that I see being perpetuated by everyone I
 hear. Meditation lets you purify your body, mind and senses so the
 transition is smoother, easier when the mystical energy descends. When
 this happens and if it indeed happens is a big question mark and has no
 relation to a regular meditation practice such as in my case. Two years
 down the line I seem to agree with Vaj that TM is an unhealthy
 meditation technique that can cause abnormal states of mind - better to
 stick with hatha yoga, pranaayama etc. So enlightenment is not an
 achievement.  This is the problem I had with most on Batgap - what most
 are describing there are some altered states of consciousness created by
 their meditation techniques.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
 
  Yes, I get to this state of mind backpacking as well, and at the
 beach, and this summer, while camping and hiking in Utah. Â Once I
 get there, which takes several days sometimes (faster backpacking), it
 stays with me during the trip. Â I always try to bring the state back
 to my real life, but I can never maintain it long - within hours or a
 day or two, it's gone. Â Meditation gets you there faster, no?Â
 
 
 
  
   From: Carol
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:38 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the
 people who brought it up - to Jim
  
  
  Â
  Jim stated: It is anything but a static state, first experienced as
 always being grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person
 is established in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to infect
 everything else. The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed,
 destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)
  
  Actually it sounds pretty nice. And it reminds me of my state of
 mind/body when I backpack. One of my goals when I backpack is to bring
 that state packing back with me when I have to re-enter the modern
 world.
  
  One of my mindfulness mentors has encouraged me to touch the
 silence daily.
  
  




Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Jackson
Oh Share I love this! I wish I could see Bob Roth and his TMO buddies response 
to the statement that TM transcending thru TM and smoking pot sometimes give 
the same experience! Thanks for posting this!





 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
Carol me and many of my long term TM friends could care less if we're 
enlightened.  But I want to respond to your exchange with Emily about 
backpacking, walking the dog, etc.

I remember the first time I meditated in March 1975 I thought, oh, I've had 
this 
before.  It was very familiar to me.  From sometimes getting in the zone
 when I played sports.  Sometimes snoozing in the hammock in the backyard
 after work.  Sometimes from dancing to my favorite music.  Body surfing!  
Sometimes from
 marijuana.  And I definitely wanted that relaxed but alive experience 
in a natural way.  I think that's what I get with TM.  

I really like 
Maharishi's analogy for this:  meditating is like dipping a cloth in the dye 
where the cloth is your nervous system and the dye is Being or pure 
consciousness or what Doc calls Silence.  Then engaging in daily 
activity is like putting the cloth in the sun.  The color fades, but not 
completely.  What color is left after fading in the sun, that color is 
permanent.  Then dip in dye again, then fade again, over and over until 
one day the color is totally permanent.  Being or Silence is permanently 
experienced along with all other states.  Maharishi calls it restful 
alertness and for me that phrase captures its quality of being both settled and 
potentially full of activity.   

I'd say practicing TM makes the whole process not necessarily faster but more 
reliable.  




 From: Carol jchwe...@gmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:45 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 

And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
Enlightenment?

Thanks!

PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment: 
It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being grounded 
in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in Silenc 
within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The Silence 
within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, 
huh?:-)
He stated that here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

***




 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread card


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol  wrote:

 I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
 have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 
 
 And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
 Enlightenment?

My wild guess is it might be based (at least) on these two suutras:

nirvicaara-vaishaaradye 'dhyaatma-prasaadaH. (I 47)

Taimni's translation:

On attaining the utmost purity of the nirvicaara stage (of samaadhi)
there is the dawning of the spiritual light.

(The on following the YF-suutra:)

bahir-akalpitaa vRttir mahaa-videhaa; tataH prakaashaavaraNakSayaH.

The power of contacting the state of consciousness (vRttir) which is outside 
(bahiH) the intellect and is therefore inconceivable is called mahaa-videhaa. 
From it is destroyed the covering of light.

(I'm not sure how good that particular translation is...LOL!)


 
 Thanks!
 
 PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment: 
 It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
 grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
 Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The 
 Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds 
 crazy, huh?:-)
 He stated that here: 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754
 
 ***





Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Share Long
dear MJ, silly boy, you know that's not what I meant.  Anyway, I'm not a gov so 
probably I got something wrong.  And I did fall on the ice this morning so 
maybe vata is very vitiated.  I'm just sayin.  But hey, if you're happy, I'm 
happy (-:

BTW, I just made it across the verges, across the sidewalks, across the street 
and to my car which is now ice free.  Next, a trip to the grocery store.  I'm 
so brave!  





 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
Oh Share I love this! I wish I could see Bob Roth and his TMO buddies response 
to the statement that TM transcending thru TM and smoking pot sometimes give 
the same experience! Thanks for posting this!





 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
Carol me and many of my long term TM friends could care less if we're 
enlightened.  But I want to respond to your exchange with Emily about 
backpacking, walking the dog, etc.

I remember the first time I meditated in March 1975 I thought, oh, I've had 
this 
before.  It was very familiar to me.  From sometimes getting in the zone
 when I played sports.  Sometimes snoozing in the hammock in the backyard
 after work.  Sometimes from dancing to my favorite music.  Body surfing!  
Sometimes from
 marijuana.  And I definitely wanted that relaxed but alive experience 
in a natural way.  I think that's what I get with TM.  

I really like 
Maharishi's analogy for this:  meditating is like dipping a cloth in the dye 
where the cloth is your nervous system and the dye is Being or pure 
consciousness or what Doc calls Silence.  Then engaging in daily 
activity is like putting the cloth in the sun.  The color fades, but not 
completely.  What color is left after fading in the sun, that color is 
permanent.  Then dip in dye again, then fade again, over and over until 
one day the color is totally permanent.  Being or Silence is permanently 
experienced along with all other states.  Maharishi calls it restful 
alertness and for me that phrase captures its quality of being both settled and 
potentially full of activity.   

I'd say practicing TM makes the whole process not necessarily faster but more 
reliable.  




 From: Carol jchwe...@gmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:45 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 

And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
Enlightenment?

Thanks!

PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment: 
It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being grounded 
in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in Silenc 
within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The Silence 
within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, 
huh?:-)
He stated that here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Bhairitu
On 01/27/2013 10:45 AM, Carol wrote:
 I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
 have the Silence permeate other areas of your life.

 And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
 Enlightenment?

 Thanks!

 PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment:
 It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
 grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
 Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The 
 Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds 
 crazy, huh?:-)
 He stated that here: 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

 ***




I think that Maharishi really confused his followers by giving them the 
idea there was these plateaus.  And if these plateaus weren't achieved 
you are not enlightened.  But go to India and they will tell you if that 
inner silence doesn't go away after meditation you are well on the road 
of enlightenment.  On the road because it is an ongrowing experience.

About two years after learning TM I found that I wasn't really coming 
out of meditation as the state stayed with me.  After a while it is 
like the self doesn't exist unless it is drawn attention to by some 
demand (like a tax collector).  I think many meditators thought that 
enlightenment was going to be a big flashy thing with all kinds of 
lights auras and very powerful.  What they often describe would be 
something that would leave a person unable to interact in daily life. 
They would be sitting in a chair dazzled as if on LSD.

Instead it is that vast inner silence that permeates everything and is 
very grounding.  And it doesn't stop there.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Jackson
That is a pretty cool description - if you don't mind my asking as a relative 
newcomer to FFL - did you learn TM in India or the US?





 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
On 01/27/2013 10:45 AM, Carol wrote:
 I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
 have the Silence permeate other areas of your life.

 And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
 Enlightenment?

 Thanks!

 PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment:
 It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
 grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
 Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The 
 Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds 
 crazy, huh?:-)
 He stated that here: 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

 ***




I think that Maharishi really confused his followers by giving them the 
idea there was these plateaus.  And if these plateaus weren't achieved 
you are not enlightened.  But go to India and they will tell you if that 
inner silence doesn't go away after meditation you are well on the road 
of enlightenment.  On the road because it is an ongrowing experience.

About two years after learning TM I found that I wasn't really coming 
out of meditation as the state stayed with me.  After a while it is 
like the self doesn't exist unless it is drawn attention to by some 
demand (like a tax collector).  I think many meditators thought that 
enlightenment was going to be a big flashy thing with all kinds of 
lights auras and very powerful.  What they often describe would be 
something that would leave a person unable to interact in daily life. 
They would be sitting in a chair dazzled as if on LSD.

Instead it is that vast inner silence that permeates everything and is 
very grounding.  And it doesn't stop there.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Untouchables

2013-01-27 Thread Bhairitu
On 01/25/2013 10:34 AM, raunchydog wrote:
 The Untouchables attempts to explain why the Wall Street execs who engineered 
 the great financial wreck of 2008 have never been prosecuted.
 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/untouchables/



I finally got around to watching this.  Everyone in the US should see 
this.  What we have now is a bunch of criminals running the banks.  
That's why we call them banksters.  As some of the interviewees point 
out it is very difficult to prove the cases.  The sad thing is that 
Senator Kaufmann who took Joe Biden's place until and new senator could 
be elected and ran a investigative panel expected the Justice Department 
to investigate and indict some of these corporate CEOs.  No, instead the 
government made a smattering of arrests of small fry including small 
mortgage brokers.  The concern was that such arrests would lead to the 
collapse of companies like Goldman-Sachs, B of A, CitiBank, etc.  And 
no, no, we can't have that as it might bring down the economy.  Well, 
it's bringing down the economy anyway!  Let's have some justice for a 
change but I don't expect it with the Obama Gang.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie

2013-01-27 Thread Bhairitu
On 01/26/2013 12:58 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
 On 01/26/2013 12:34 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues  wrote:
 Wow, I did not know that about them.
 Yup, they were found, and then introduced to each other,
 and then trained carefully, by Albert Grossman. He was,
 possibly not coincidentally, the driving force behind
 the success of Bob Dylan, Ian and Sylvia, Odetta, John
 Lee Hooker in his later recording career, Phil Ochs,
 Gordon Lightfoot, Richie Havens, The Band, the Electric
 Flag, Jesse Winchester, and Janis Joplin.

 So again, how much was native talent, and how much of
 it was a teacher noticing some degree of talent, and
 turning it into something marketable?
 Actually the training or production was done by record producers who
 actually knew music and many of them classically trained.  Some like
 Alan Stanton (The Byrds) and Rick Garrard (Jefferson Airplane) were
 former high school band directors.  And then, of course, there was
 classically trained George Martin.  It not only takes an educated
 musical background to make amateurs sound like pros but a lot of
 psychology.  And some of these musicians had formal training too but
 record companies liked to hide that fact back then.  Not so these days
 as Lady Gaga has a formal music education and it is touted.

BTW, I should mention that the group I played in when I first lived in 
California in Mill Valley briefly in 1969-70 played all of one gig at 
the Lion's Share in San Anselmo.  Then the band broke up over a spat 
between the guitar player and bass player.  A couple days later I had a 
call from Albert Grossman's office.  He had heard the air check tape of 
the gig and was interested in signing us. Unfortunately I had to inform 
them that the band had broke up.  A couple years ago the bass player 
from that band found me on the Internet.  He never new that Grossman was 
interested and was flabbergasted.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words to bhairitu

2013-01-27 Thread Share Long
Around MIU in the late 70s I always heard that flash is trash, not something to 
be sought.  I've noticed that flash tends to happen more with those who did 
LSD.  Which I did not.  And I never heard Maharishi talk about plateaus.  
Anyway, with practice of the sidhis, the silence I've noticed can be leaning a 
little more towards liveliness than towards pure silence.  Which I also 
associate with Purusha so maybe more likely for a guy.  Or more likely for 
kapha types?   


Anyway, silence is not to be tried for.  Nor is it useful to try and get deep.  
My understanding is that from CC to GC the depth comes up to the surface.  
Pointless to try and feel deep in or out of meditation.  Actually counter 
productive.  




 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
On 01/27/2013 10:45 AM, Carol wrote:
 I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
 have the Silence permeate other areas of your life.

 And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
 Enlightenment?

 Thanks!

 PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment:
 It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
 grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
 Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The 
 Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds 
 crazy, huh?:-)
 He stated that here: 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

 ***




I think that Maharishi really confused his followers by giving them the 
idea there was these plateaus.  And if these plateaus weren't achieved 
you are not enlightened.  But go to India and they will tell you if that 
inner silence doesn't go away after meditation you are well on the road 
of enlightenment.  On the road because it is an ongrowing experience.

About two years after learning TM I found that I wasn't really coming 
out of meditation as the state stayed with me.  After a while it is 
like the self doesn't exist unless it is drawn attention to by some 
demand (like a tax collector).  I think many meditators thought that 
enlightenment was going to be a big flashy thing with all kinds of 
lights auras and very powerful.  What they often describe would be 
something that would leave a person unable to interact in daily life. 
They would be sitting in a chair dazzled as if on LSD.

Instead it is that vast inner silence that permeates everything and is 
very grounding.  And it doesn't stop there.


 

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