date:20130127

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread turquoiseb

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > It simply wouldn't have been a big blip on my radar screen.
> > > > Just more silly TMO blah-blah-blah, tune it out. Vedaland
> > > > was a ridiculous notion to start with even when Henning
> > > > was still in full cry.
> > > 
> > > What, Judy the great champion of truth and persecutor of
> > > the dishonest wouldn't have made as much as a squeak if
> > > someone from her so-called spiritual group tried to relieve
> > > her of her life savings?
> > 
> > Not when she was on a rounding course, no (not least because
> > she didn't have any life savings to be relieved of, as I've
> > already noted).
> > 
> > > Hah! I find that rather hard to
> > > believe. But then I was there and saw it.
> > > 
> > > Besides, it wasn't about whether the blah-blah was going 
> > > to happen, it's about dishonest fundraising.
> > 
> > Right. My point was that I would have paid too little
> > attention to the blah-blah-blah even to notice that it
> > was dishonest.
> 
> Not a very convincing sidestep, I shall put you in with
> Nabby and Dumbass as not understanding your motives.

It's a matter of energy conservation and priorities,
Sal. Judy's sense of moral outrage is limited to 
truly important social issues, like being called 
a cunt after decades of acting like one. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread salyavin808



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > It simply wouldn't have been a big blip on my radar screen.
> > > Just more silly TMO blah-blah-blah, tune it out. Vedaland
> > > was a ridiculous notion to start with even when Henning
> > > was still in full cry.
> > 
> > What, Judy the great champion of truth and persecutor of
> > the dishonest wouldn't have made as much as a squeak if
> > someone from her so-called spiritual group tried to relieve
> > her of her life savings?
> 
> Not when she was on a rounding course, no (not least because
> she didn't have any life savings to be relieved of, as I've
> already noted).
> 
> > Hah! I find that rather hard to
> > believe. But then I was there and saw it.
> > 
> > Besides, it wasn't about whether the blah-blah was going 
> > to happen, it's about dishonest fundraising.
> 
> Right. My point was that I would have paid too little
> attention to the blah-blah-blah even to notice that it
> was dishonest.

Not a very convincing sidestep, I shall put you in with
Nabby and Dumbass as not understanding your motives.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Ravi Chivukula

Good to have you here on FFL Carol :-)

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Carol  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Chuckle... :D
>
> Reading your description brought to mind a photo on George Takei's FB
> page...
>
> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=595621543800636&set=a.223098324386295.105971.205344452828349&type=1
>
>
> ***
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Carol - here's more descriptions, just for fun.
> >
> > Divine Mother from Hindu scriptures - an epitome of beauty, grace,
> > intelligence, courage, independence, lover of arts - just having fun with
> > that dude Shiva - one cool, sophisticated liberal woman celebrating life
> > yeah?
> >
> > Fantasized, self-styled Divine Mother and Guru like Amma -
> sado-masochist,
> > suffering for masses, virgin, chaste, pure (read - doesn't indulge in
> > shameful things like peeing, menstruating and shudder - sex !!!). Her
> abode
> > aka ashram representing strict gender roles, conservative,
> life-abnegating,
> > misogynist values.
> >
> > Whew - ain't no way in hell Shiva's hanging out with this uncivilized,
> > uneducated, uncouth woman.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Carol wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Wow Ravi...you certainly have a way with words. I like your
> descriptions.
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Carol - so awesome you could see that - however these Gurus, the very
> > > ones
> > > > committing and teaching soul murders are the ones that are worshiped
> by
> > > the
> > > > burdened liberals - eager to numb their pain, eager to abdicate
> > > > responsibility to these Gurus- this 2000 year old childish
> fascination
> > > with
> > > > a messiah suffering for our sins - these masochistic messiahs,
> adored for
> > > > their masochistic, life-abnegating, life-numbing feats of physical
> > > > endurance masqueraded as sacrifice and spirituality.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Carol wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > **
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > typo: I no longer knew me...not I know longer knew me. Ha.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That makes sense to me...as far as turning the experience into a
> > > > > philosophy that results in "repression,perversion and/or other life
> > > > > abnegating practices."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In my previous belief system which was Bible based, we referred
> to
> > > those
> > > > > who are 'telios' being fully mature spiritually. We were the
> > > > > initiated...the enlightened (but not necessarily the same
> > > enlightenment as
> > > > > what others in Far East philosophies refer to).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But, what I discovered in becoming teleioo is what I term 'soul
> > > murder'
> > > > > or 'soul suicide.' I know longer knew me and ended up a shell of a
> > > person.
> > > > > I hope to never go back to that state. (Not saying that is what the
> > > > > Biblical word refers to, but rather it was distorted.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Something I had typed (and then deleted) in my previous comment
> was,
> > > "It
> > > > > simply is." "It" referring to enlightenment..or whatever one wants
> to
> > > call
> > > > > it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kind of like breath...it is. Or life. Or even death. It is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is well and good Carol. However most in spirituality make
> the
> > > end
> > > > > - such as detachment, freedom as a way of living, as philosophy
> > > resulting
> > > > > in repression, perversion and/or other life abnegating practices.
> > > Hence the
> > > > > fascination for Gandhi, Teresa, Dalai Lama, Ammachi - these pseudo
> > > > > spiritual life abnegating, poverty worshiping icons, messiahs. So
> this
> > > is
> > > > > something to be remembered - that detachment, freedom, humility are
> > > the end
> > > > > product and cannot be wrapped into a belief system or a style of
> > > living.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Jan 27, 2013, at 2:44 PM, "Carol" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for the responses.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In reading them one word comes to mind...freedom.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And then I think...Freedom from attachment.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But, then I think, of emotions and the feelings of
> attachment.
> > > > > Attachment isn't a bad thing; it just depends on the timing and the
> > > type of
> > > > > attachment.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Such as children. I love my children and will always feel
> > > attached
> > > > > with them. But, as they have grown into adults, I've had to let go
> of
> > > parts
> > > > > of that attachment.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hmmthere is a new freedom in letting go of that
> attach

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol & Emily

2013-01-27 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for posting this laughinggull.  Carol and Emily,
> > this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2
> > comments:  TM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra;
> > and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce.
> 
> Part of it is. The mantra and repetition have to begin the
> process

Actually not, not if "repetition" means more than one
iteration of the mantra. You could conceivably think it
*once* and immediately transcend, even go through the
whole mantra-transcend-thoughts cycle multiple times
during a meditation without ever thinking the mantra
twice in a row.

Share, the words "repeat" and "repetition" *are* used in
several places in the checking notes. In most cases,
repetition of the mantra does occur, but it's correct to
say TM is not *about* repetition. Subtle but crucial
distinction.

(Caveat: I am not a TM teacher. I took checker training,
but I never got around to being certified. If I've gotten
anything wrong, corrections from teachers are welcome.)

> and hopping around involves energy and effort whether you
> realize this or not. On my siddhis course my friend and I
> were the last to hop and the instructor sat with us until
> we did so. Having languished for days watching my friends
> in my pod plop around on foam and make strange noises  my
> friend and I finally looked at each other and let 'er rip.
> We had to try or we weren't going to "graduate" from that
> summer course. Finally we gave in and joined the crowd. It
> was never that effortless to bounce and I certainly never
> flew. So at least on my siddhis course we had to do whatever
> it took to move off our butts and it involved trying or at
> least exerting an intention. Maybe it is all in the semantics.

The sutras *are* intentions, according to Maharishi.

FWIW, on my flying block there were several women who
never hopped, and they "graduated" with the rest of us.
They weren't bullied into faking it (as it sounds like
you may have been). They weren't happy about not
hopping, but the Sidhis administrator (Georgina Wilson)
told them not to worry about it, they would still get
the benefits of the practice. "Trying" to hop was most
definitely a no-no.

Certainly hopping involves muscular effort (although the
extent to which one is aware of that varies); the question
is how the signal to contract is sent to the muscles.

For me, it's involuntary--it would take effort *not* to
hop. It's like a yawn or a sneeze or the knee-jerk reflex.
The signal to the muscles originates somewhere other than
it would if I hopped without using the sutra.

I remember when I first started to hop, after a couple 
days. I had found myself bouncing--involuntarily--without
getting off the foam. After awhile, I let go of something
somehow mentally, and then I immediately began to hop. "Let
'er rip" describes it, but I don't know whether that's the
same as what you experienced. It's as if I had not been
letting the sutra do its job, rather than that I had
started voluntarily to push myself up off the foam.

Experience does vary from individual to individual, and
it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else.

[FairfieldLife] thank you Raja Peter!

2013-01-27 Thread srijau

Fall in UK crime rate baffles experts

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/24/fall-uk-crime-rate-baffles-experts

Jai Maharishi!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

Chuckle... :D

Reading your description brought to mind a photo on George Takei's FB page...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=595621543800636&set=a.223098324386295.105971.205344452828349&type=1

***


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Thank you Carol - here's more descriptions, just for fun.
> 
> Divine Mother from Hindu scriptures - an epitome of beauty, grace,
> intelligence, courage, independence, lover of arts - just having fun with
> that dude Shiva - one cool, sophisticated liberal woman celebrating life
> yeah?
> 
> Fantasized, self-styled Divine Mother and Guru like Amma - sado-masochist,
> suffering for masses, virgin, chaste, pure (read - doesn't indulge in
> shameful things like peeing, menstruating and shudder - sex !!!). Her abode
> aka ashram representing strict gender roles, conservative, life-abnegating,
> misogynist values.
> 
> Whew - ain't no way in hell Shiva's hanging out with this uncivilized,
> uneducated, uncouth woman.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Carol  wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > Wow Ravi...you certainly have a way with words. I like your descriptions.
> >
> > *
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > >
> > > Carol - so awesome you could see that - however these Gurus, the very
> > ones
> > > committing and teaching soul murders are the ones that are worshiped by
> > the
> > > burdened liberals - eager to numb their pain, eager to abdicate
> > > responsibility to these Gurus- this 2000 year old childish fascination
> > with
> > > a messiah suffering for our sins - these masochistic messiahs, adored for
> > > their masochistic, life-abnegating, life-numbing feats of physical
> > > endurance masqueraded as sacrifice and spirituality.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Carol wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > typo: I no longer knew me...not I know longer knew me. Ha.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > That makes sense to me...as far as turning the experience into a
> > > > philosophy that results in "repression,perversion and/or other life
> > > > abnegating practices."
> > > > >
> > > > > In my previous belief system which was Bible based, we referred to
> > those
> > > > who are 'telios' being fully mature spiritually. We were the
> > > > initiated...the enlightened (but not necessarily the same
> > enlightenment as
> > > > what others in Far East philosophies refer to).
> > > > >
> > > > > But, what I discovered in becoming teleioo is what I term 'soul
> > murder'
> > > > or 'soul suicide.' I know longer knew me and ended up a shell of a
> > person.
> > > > I hope to never go back to that state. (Not saying that is what the
> > > > Biblical word refers to, but rather it was distorted.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Something I had typed (and then deleted) in my previous comment was,
> > "It
> > > > simply is." "It" referring to enlightenment..or whatever one wants to
> > call
> > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind of like breath...it is. Or life. Or even death. It is.
> > > > >
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is well and good Carol. However most in spirituality make the
> > end
> > > > - such as detachment, freedom as a way of living, as philosophy
> > resulting
> > > > in repression, perversion and/or other life abnegating practices.
> > Hence the
> > > > fascination for Gandhi, Teresa, Dalai Lama, Ammachi - these pseudo
> > > > spiritual life abnegating, poverty worshiping icons, messiahs. So this
> > is
> > > > something to be remembered - that detachment, freedom, humility are
> > the end
> > > > product and cannot be wrapped into a belief system or a style of
> > living.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Jan 27, 2013, at 2:44 PM, "Carol" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for the responses.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In reading them one word comes to mind...freedom.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And then I think...Freedom from attachment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But, then I think, of emotions and the feelings of attachment.
> > > > Attachment isn't a bad thing; it just depends on the timing and the
> > type of
> > > > attachment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Such as children. I love my children and will always feel
> > attached
> > > > with them. But, as they have grown into adults, I've had to let go of
> > parts
> > > > of that attachment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hmmthere is a new freedom in letting go of that attachment
> > with
> > > > my children. It is a different kind of attachment now because they
> > don't
> > > > need me like they did when they were infants and youngsters.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the past years I thought of 'enlightenment' kind of like
> > someone
> > > > being on an ego trip. But, I never really asked about it or read up on
> > it.
> > > > Apparen

[FairfieldLife] Good news from Central America

2013-01-27 Thread srijau

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/good-news-central-america-homicides-fall-guatemala-el-193642987.html

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/economy-lab/why-mexicos-sunny-economy-is-good-news-for-canada/article7764461/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol & Emily

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

One reason I brought up the old Way videos is because when I have seen them 
(they are available via non-public venues), I get the good energy feeling when 
I see Doctor (as some of the old timers called him). All my personal 
interactions with Wierwille (which were only a few) were very warm. But I now 
know much more about the lying side of this man...and about his ab-use of 
people all the while teaching love and grace and kindness.

As I continued to watch the MMY video I thought, "Hmmm. Had Wierwille not died 
in 1985, I wonder if The Way would have continued to grow like the TMO 
continued to grow."  After Wierwille's death, off shoot groups began 
flourishing and The Way began dying. I stuck around the dying tree for another 
20 years after Wierwille died. 

The Way still exists...but it shrank in a huge way.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Even now when I look at old video of Maha I feel good energy within me, yet 
> when I look now also, I see what a bs'er he was - when people ask him 
> specific questions, he often gave what turned out to be a very circular 
> answer that meanders until the person asking the question and the listeners 
> have completely forgotten what the question was. And you are correct - he was 
> definitely into self-aggrandizement. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Carol 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:54 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol & 
> Emily
>  
> 
> Â  
> Just starting to watch this Share and LG.
> 
> My first response is...MMY strikes me as a narcissist. Funny that...because 
> we I saw him on video during SCI (which I think I took at least 2 times?), I 
> was enamored with him. I looked at him as a guru.
> 
> Other thoughts as I watch it:
> ...Very 70s. ;D
> ...It reminds me of videos about The Way (the group I was with) from the 70s 
> and the leader and founder of The Way (Dr. Wierwille). I don't think any of 
> those videos are readily available on the web, but an article from LIFE 
> magazine is.
> 
> You can see it hear: "The Groovy Christians of Rye, NY"
> http://tinyurl.com/56xggs
> 
> ***
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for posting this laughinggull.ÃÂ  Carol and Emily, this is a good 
> > overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments:ÃÂ  TM is absolutely NOT 
> > about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly 
> > or bounce.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: laughinggull108 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel
> > 
> > 
> > ÃÂ  
> > http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Yoga and Mental Health study results

2013-01-27 Thread srijau

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Yoga-gets-biggest-science-thumbs-up-yet/Article1-999479.aspx

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Ravi Chivukula

Thank you Carol - here's more descriptions, just for fun.

Divine Mother from Hindu scriptures - an epitome of beauty, grace,
intelligence, courage, independence, lover of arts - just having fun with
that dude Shiva - one cool, sophisticated liberal woman celebrating life
yeah?

Fantasized, self-styled Divine Mother and Guru like Amma - sado-masochist,
suffering for masses, virgin, chaste, pure (read - doesn't indulge in
shameful things like peeing, menstruating and shudder - sex !!!). Her abode
aka ashram representing strict gender roles, conservative, life-abnegating,
misogynist values.

Whew - ain't no way in hell Shiva's hanging out with this uncivilized,
uneducated, uncouth woman.

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Carol  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Wow Ravi...you certainly have a way with words. I like your descriptions.
>
> *
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> >
> > Carol - so awesome you could see that - however these Gurus, the very
> ones
> > committing and teaching soul murders are the ones that are worshiped by
> the
> > burdened liberals - eager to numb their pain, eager to abdicate
> > responsibility to these Gurus- this 2000 year old childish fascination
> with
> > a messiah suffering for our sins - these masochistic messiahs, adored for
> > their masochistic, life-abnegating, life-numbing feats of physical
> > endurance masqueraded as sacrifice and spirituality.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Carol wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > typo: I no longer knew me...not I know longer knew me. Ha.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That makes sense to me...as far as turning the experience into a
> > > philosophy that results in "repression,perversion and/or other life
> > > abnegating practices."
> > > >
> > > > In my previous belief system which was Bible based, we referred to
> those
> > > who are 'telios' being fully mature spiritually. We were the
> > > initiated...the enlightened (but not necessarily the same
> enlightenment as
> > > what others in Far East philosophies refer to).
> > > >
> > > > But, what I discovered in becoming teleioo is what I term 'soul
> murder'
> > > or 'soul suicide.' I know longer knew me and ended up a shell of a
> person.
> > > I hope to never go back to that state. (Not saying that is what the
> > > Biblical word refers to, but rather it was distorted.)
> > > >
> > > > Something I had typed (and then deleted) in my previous comment was,
> "It
> > > simply is." "It" referring to enlightenment..or whatever one wants to
> call
> > > it.
> > > >
> > > > Kind of like breath...it is. Or life. Or even death. It is.
> > > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This is well and good Carol. However most in spirituality make the
> end
> > > - such as detachment, freedom as a way of living, as philosophy
> resulting
> > > in repression, perversion and/or other life abnegating practices.
> Hence the
> > > fascination for Gandhi, Teresa, Dalai Lama, Ammachi - these pseudo
> > > spiritual life abnegating, poverty worshiping icons, messiahs. So this
> is
> > > something to be remembered - that detachment, freedom, humility are
> the end
> > > product and cannot be wrapped into a belief system or a style of
> living.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jan 27, 2013, at 2:44 PM, "Carol" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the responses.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In reading them one word comes to mind...freedom.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And then I think...Freedom from attachment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But, then I think, of emotions and the feelings of attachment.
> > > Attachment isn't a bad thing; it just depends on the timing and the
> type of
> > > attachment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Such as children. I love my children and will always feel
> attached
> > > with them. But, as they have grown into adults, I've had to let go of
> parts
> > > of that attachment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hmmthere is a new freedom in letting go of that attachment
> with
> > > my children. It is a different kind of attachment now because they
> don't
> > > need me like they did when they were infants and youngsters.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the past years I thought of 'enlightenment' kind of like
> someone
> > > being on an ego trip. But, I never really asked about it or read up on
> it.
> > > Apparently, I was assuming and/or reading into the term from my own
> past
> > > experiences.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From reading the responses here, the responses don't come across
> as
> > > ego trips.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Carol wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > **
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I find your response interesting. Ravi, I started anoth

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol & Emily

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Jackson

Don't worry about giving offense - everybody offends everybody else here at one 
time or another.

 From: Carol 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:13 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol & 
Emily

Interesting Ann.

Again, I think of The Way.

Everyone in The Way speaks in tongues...everyone. A person is "led into 
tongues" during the Foundational Class. (There are more classes of course after 
the Foundational Class.) The leader of the class will sit with the new student 
until the new student speaks in tongues.

That aspect is quite similar to someone making sure you did your flying bounce 
or bouncing flight on the TMO siddha. 

Another tidbit I just thought of
When I got involved with The Way and got convinced that The Way taught *the 
truth* as "it hadn't been known since the first century," and as I became 
indoctrinated to believe that The Way's teachings regarding other religions or 
philosophies or movements that proclaimed they had the truth were all 
counterfeits, I believed (at that time) that SCI and TM were counterfeits. The 
Way's foundational class at that time  cost $100 for 36 to 45 hours of teaching 
on a video. Dr. Wierwille, the "man of God for the world," taught that class at 
that time.  I took that class a couple years after taking SCI which it seems at 
the time (1976) cost me (as a student) around $100. I thought I was spiritually 
enlightened that I could spiritually see how SCI was a counterfeit of The Way's 
"Power for Abundant Living." 

Now I think neither has or had *the truth.* They both have bits of truth I 
reckon, or people would most likely not be attracted to either. 

I think both men who headed up these movements were probably narcissists. No 
offense intended for MMY followers...it's just my opinion.
***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for posting this laughinggull.Â  Carol and Emily, this is a good 
> > overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments:Â  TM is absolutely NOT 
> > about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly 
> > or bounce.
> > 
> 
> Part of it is. The mantra and repetition have to begin the process and 
> hopping around involves energy and effort whether you realize this or not. On 
> my siddhis course my friend and I were the last to hop and the instructor sat 
> with us until we did so. Having languished for days watching my friends in my 
> pod plop around on foam and make strange noises  my friend and I finally 
> looked at each other and let 'er rip. We had to try or we weren't going to 
> "graduate" from that summer course. Finally we gave in and joined the crowd. 
> It was never that effortless to bounce and I certainly never flew. So at 
> least on my siddhis course we had to do whatever it took to move off our 
> butts and it involved trying or at least exerting an intention. Maybe it is 
> all in the semantics.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: laughinggull108 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel
> > 
> > 
> > Â  
> > http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol & Emily

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Jackson

Even now when I look at old video of Maha I feel good energy within me, yet 
when I look now also, I see what a bs'er he was - when people ask him specific 
questions, he often gave what turned out to be a very circular answer that 
meanders until the person asking the question and the listeners have completely 
forgotten what the question was. And you are correct - he was definitely into 
self-aggrandizement. 

 From: Carol 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:54 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol & 
Emily

Just starting to watch this Share and LG.

My first response is...MMY strikes me as a narcissist. Funny that...because we 
I saw him on video during SCI (which I think I took at least 2 times?), I was 
enamored with him. I looked at him as a guru.

Other thoughts as I watch it:
...Very 70s. ;D
...It reminds me of videos about The Way (the group I was with) from the 70s 
and the leader and founder of The Way (Dr. Wierwille). I don't think any of 
those videos are readily available on the web, but an article from LIFE 
magazine is.

You can see it hear: "The Groovy Christians of Rye, NY"
http://tinyurl.com/56xggs

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting this laughinggull.Â  Carol and Emily, this is a good 
> overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments:Â  TM is absolutely NOT about 
> repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: laughinggull108 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel
> 
> 
> Â  
> http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

Wow Ravi...you certainly have a way with words. I  like your descriptions. 

*

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Carol - so awesome you could see that - however these Gurus, the very ones
> committing and teaching soul murders are the ones that are worshiped by the
> burdened liberals - eager to numb their pain, eager to abdicate
> responsibility to these Gurus- this 2000 year old childish fascination with
> a messiah suffering for our sins - these masochistic messiahs, adored for
> their masochistic, life-abnegating, life-numbing feats of physical
> endurance masqueraded as sacrifice and spirituality.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Carol  wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > typo: I no longer knew me...not I know longer knew me. Ha.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote:
> > >
> > > That makes sense to me...as far as turning the experience into a
> > philosophy that results in "repression,perversion and/or other life
> > abnegating practices."
> > >
> > > In my previous belief system which was Bible based, we referred to those
> > who are 'telios' being fully mature spiritually. We were the
> > initiated...the enlightened (but not necessarily the same enlightenment as
> > what others in Far East philosophies refer to).
> > >
> > > But, what I discovered in becoming teleioo is what I term 'soul murder'
> > or 'soul suicide.' I know longer knew me and ended up a shell of a person.
> > I hope to never go back to that state. (Not saying that is what the
> > Biblical word refers to, but rather it was distorted.)
> > >
> > > Something I had typed (and then deleted) in my previous comment was, "It
> > simply is." "It" referring to enlightenment..or whatever one wants to call
> > it.
> > >
> > > Kind of like breath...it is. Or life. Or even death. It is.
> > >
> > > **
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is well and good Carol. However most in spirituality make the end
> > - such as detachment, freedom as a way of living, as philosophy resulting
> > in repression, perversion and/or other life abnegating practices. Hence the
> > fascination for Gandhi, Teresa, Dalai Lama, Ammachi - these pseudo
> > spiritual life abnegating, poverty worshiping icons, messiahs. So this is
> > something to be remembered - that detachment, freedom, humility are the end
> > product and cannot be wrapped into a belief system or a style of living.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 27, 2013, at 2:44 PM, "Carol" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the responses.
> > > > >
> > > > > In reading them one word comes to mind...freedom.
> > > > >
> > > > > And then I think...Freedom from attachment.
> > > > >
> > > > > But, then I think, of emotions and the feelings of attachment.
> > Attachment isn't a bad thing; it just depends on the timing and the type of
> > attachment.
> > > > >
> > > > > Such as children. I love my children and will always feel attached
> > with them. But, as they have grown into adults, I've had to let go of parts
> > of that attachment.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmmthere is a new freedom in letting go of that attachment with
> > my children. It is a different kind of attachment now because they don't
> > need me like they did when they were infants and youngsters.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the past years I thought of 'enlightenment' kind of like someone
> > being on an ego trip. But, I never really asked about it or read up on it.
> > Apparently, I was assuming and/or reading into the term from my own past
> > experiences.
> > > > >
> > > > > From reading the responses here, the responses don't come across as
> > ego trips.
> > > > >
> > > > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Carol wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > **
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I find your response interesting. Ravi, I started another thread
> > regarding
> > > > > > > enlightenment here:
> > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333764
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Would you mind commenting on that thread? (Just to keep the
> > comments
> > > > > > > together. Hope that is an okay request here on FFL.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In your words, what is "enlightenment?"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you Carol. Here's what I came up for your question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Enlightenment creates a state of consciousness, a context of
> > self-freedom
> > > > > > in which one is not constrained by anything outside of oneself
> > even as one
> > > > > > performs normal actions and goes through normal moods as everyone
> > else. An
> > > > > > unperturbed inner state of mind untouched, untainted,
> > unconditioned by
> > > > > > anything.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you!
> > > > > > > *
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Fai

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol & Emily

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

typo: "because when I saw him"...not "we I saw him"



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>
> Just starting to watch this Share and LG.
> 
> My first response is...MMY strikes me as a narcissist. Funny that...because 
> we I saw him on video during SCI (which I think I took at least 2 times?), I 
> was enamored with him. I looked at him as a guru.
> 
> Other thoughts as I watch it:
> ...Very 70s. ;D
> ...It reminds me of videos about The Way (the group I was with) from the 70s 
> and the leader and founder of The Way (Dr. Wierwille). I don't think any of 
> those videos are readily available on the web, but an article from LIFE 
> magazine is.
> 
> You can see it hear: "The Groovy Christians of Rye, NY"
> http://tinyurl.com/56xggs
> 
> ***
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for posting this laughinggull.Â  Carol and Emily, this is a good 
> > overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments:Â  TM is absolutely NOT 
> > about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly 
> > or bounce.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: laughinggull108 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel
> >  
> > 
> > Â  
> > http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol & Emily

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

Interesting Ann.

Again, I think of The Way.

Everyone in The Way speaks in tongues...everyone. A person is "led into 
tongues" during the Foundational Class. (There are more classes of course after 
the Foundational Class.) The leader of the class will sit with the new student 
until the new student speaks in tongues.

That aspect is quite similar to someone making sure you did your flying bounce 
or bouncing flight on the TMO siddha. 

Another tidbit I just thought of
When I got involved with The Way and got convinced that The Way taught *the 
truth* as "it hadn't been known since the first century," and as I became 
indoctrinated to believe that The Way's teachings regarding other religions or 
philosophies or movements that proclaimed they had the truth were all 
counterfeits, I believed (at that time) that SCI and TM were counterfeits. The 
Way's foundational class at that time  cost $100 for 36 to 45 hours of teaching 
on a video. Dr. Wierwille, the "man of God for the world," taught that class at 
that time.  I took that class a couple years after taking SCI which it seems at 
the time (1976) cost me (as a student) around $100. I thought I was spiritually 
enlightened that I could spiritually see how SCI was a counterfeit of The Way's 
"Power for Abundant Living." 

Now I think neither has or had *the truth.* They both have bits of truth I 
reckon, or people would most likely not be attracted to either. 

I think both men who headed up these movements were probably narcissists. No 
offense intended for MMY followers...it's just my opinion.
***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for posting this laughinggull.Â  Carol and Emily, this is a good 
> > overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments:Â  TM is absolutely NOT 
> > about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly 
> > or bounce.
> > 
> 
> Part of it is. The mantra and repetition have to begin the process and 
> hopping around involves energy and effort whether you realize this or not. On 
> my siddhis course my friend and I were the last to hop and the instructor sat 
> with us until we did so. Having languished for days watching my friends in my 
> pod plop around on foam and make strange noises  my friend and I finally 
> looked at each other and let 'er rip. We had to try or we weren't going to 
> "graduate" from that summer course. Finally we gave in and joined the crowd. 
> It was never that effortless to bounce and I certainly never flew. So at 
> least on my siddhis course we had to do whatever it took to move off our 
> butts and it involved trying or at least exerting an intention. Maybe it is 
> all in the semantics.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: laughinggull108 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel
> >  
> > 
> > Â  
> > http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol & Emily

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

Just starting to watch this Share and LG.

My first response is...MMY strikes me as a narcissist. Funny that...because we 
I saw him on video during SCI (which I think I took at least 2 times?), I was 
enamored with him. I looked at him as a guru.

Other thoughts as I watch it:
...Very 70s. ;D
...It reminds me of videos about The Way (the group I was with) from the 70s 
and the leader and founder of The Way (Dr. Wierwille). I don't think any of 
those videos are readily available on the web, but an article from LIFE 
magazine is.

You can see it hear: "The Groovy Christians of Rye, NY"
http://tinyurl.com/56xggs

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting this laughinggull.Â  Carol and Emily, this is a good 
> overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments:Â  TM is absolutely NOT about 
> repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: laughinggull108 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel
>  
> 
> Â  
> http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol & Emily

2013-01-27 Thread Ann



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting this laughinggull.Â  Carol and Emily, this is a good 
> overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments:Â  TM is absolutely NOT about 
> repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce.
> 

Part of it is. The mantra and repetition have to begin the process and hopping 
around involves energy and effort whether you realize this or not. On my 
siddhis course my friend and I were the last to hop and the instructor sat with 
us until we did so. Having languished for days watching my friends in my pod 
plop around on foam and make strange noises  my friend and I finally looked at 
each other and let 'er rip. We had to try or we weren't going to "graduate" 
from that summer course. Finally we gave in and joined the crowd. It was never 
that effortless to bounce and I certainly never flew. So at least on my siddhis 
course we had to do whatever it took to move off our butts and it involved 
trying or at least exerting an intention. Maybe it is all in the semantics.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: laughinggull108 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel
>  
> 
> Â  
> http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Ann



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> MJ, you'll latch on to anything that you think will discredit the
> despised TMO.  Sometimes you just plain make a fool of yourself.
> 
> I had a bite of rare steak the other night that made me transcend. 

You did? 
 
>How can we spin that?  How bout TM makes people bloodthirsty.

I would say that anything could potentially make one transcend if, in fact, you 
are telling the truth. You could extrapolate from your statement that you like 
rare meat, that you perhaps transcended as a result but probably not that TM 
made you bloodthirsty. Now if you only started loving raw meat after starting 
the practice of TM then maybe we could conclude there was a correlation. But 
maybe you were merely being fatuous here in an effort to defend Ms Long.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> >
> > Oh Share I love this! I wish I could see Bob Roth and his TMO buddies
> response to the statement that TM transcending thru TM and smoking pot
> sometimes give the same experience! Thanks for posting this!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Share Long
> > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
> >
> >
> > Â
> > Carol me and many of my long term TM friends could care less if we're
> enlightened.Â  But I want to respond to your exchange with Emily
> about backpacking, walking the dog, etc.
> >
> > I remember the first time I meditated in March 1975 I thought, oh,
> I've had this
> > before.Â  It was very familiar to me.Â  From sometimes getting
> in the zone
> > when I played sports.Â  Sometimes snoozing in the hammock in the
> backyard
> > after work.Â  Sometimes from dancing to my favorite music.Â 
> Body surfing!Â  Sometimes from
> > marijuana.Â  And I definitely wanted that relaxed but alive
> experience
> > in a natural way.Â  I think that's what I get with TM.Â
> >
> > I really like
> > Maharishi's analogy for this:Â  meditating is like dipping a cloth
> in the dye where the cloth is your nervous system and the dye is Being
> or pure consciousness or what Doc calls Silence.Â  Then engaging in
> daily
> > activity is like putting the cloth in the sun.Â  The color fades,
> but not completely.Â  What color is left after fading in the sun,
> that color is
> > permanent.Â  Then dip in dye again, then fade again, over and over
> until
> > one day the color is totally permanent.Â  Being or Silence is
> permanently experienced along with all other states.Â  Maharishi
> calls it restful
> > alertness and for me that phrase captures its quality of being both
> settled and potentially full of activity. Â
> >
> > I'd say practicing TM makes the whole process not necessarily faster
> but more reliable.Â
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Carol
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:45 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
> >
> >
> > Â
> > I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is
> like to have the Silence permeate other areas of your life.
> >
> > And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence
> called "Enlightenment?"
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding
> Enlightenment:
> > "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being
> grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established
> in Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else.
> The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or
> disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)"
> > He stated that here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754
> >
> > ***
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol & Emily

2013-01-27 Thread Share Long

Thanks for posting this laughinggull.  Carol and Emily, this is a good overview 
of the whole TM world, with 2 comments:  TM is absolutely NOT about repeating a 
mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce.

 From: laughinggull108 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel

http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794

Re: [FairfieldLife] In space no one will hear you scream. Because you won't.....

2013-01-27 Thread Ravi Chivukula

WTF..LOL, what do you say Share? Isn't this Price-less or Price-full or
Price-ic post, the post of 2013 so far?

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Bob Price  wrote:

> **
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXPgd3CiQ6Y
>
> Sorry Share Long, I wasn't ignoring you, I've been attending a course in
> Mexico: "An
> alchemists guide to quantity surveying, general relativity, scent
> development
> and compassionate list making"; I'm presently on a break before we get
> started on the next module: "The specific gravity of an ECHO".
>
> Something that may not have come through in my previous communications is
> how much of a fan of
> yours I am, I think you're one of the originals on this list; as an
> unrepentant
> capitalist (granted, with anarchist leanings), I'm drawn to the countless
> forms
> of human consumption (except, of course, the wasting disease kind); I see
> the truth
> in "eat more", as a remedy for constipation (offered by witch doctors
> to their patients), and encourage whenever possible all forms of
> consumption
> (economic and spiritual). In short, I consider heroic consumption the Holy
> Grail of what makes capitalism such a stand out system for bringing out
> the best in people.
>
> I think your whole approach to the consumption of spiritual techniques,
> amulets, essence
> oils, counselors, motivational speakers, cranial adjustments, and
> astrologers, has
> more than a few legs, and may be what so many of us are looking for; not
> unlike
> participating in Black Friday at Best Buy needs legs, if you're not going
> to
> end up on the wrong end of the stampede.
>
> So Share Long, I say go for it, and know you have a friend in old "grumpy
> boots", who
> is watching your back with all these mono Mayan types on FFL, who wouldn't
> know
> a true seeker from a bag of Erewhon rice: I say, why be a sniper when you
> can
> defoliate the jungle with bullets.
>
> And BTW, presently (changes daily) my own practice includes: mantras used
> in Aryan twelve step programs
> to treat soma addiction in their pre Merv settlements, Nigerian sea foam
> tourmaline light therapy, cedar ship baths, tantric techniques for sand
> boarding as taught by Malikat Saba (the Queen of Sheba) in Mareb prior to
> her
> rendezvous with Solomon, a Coptic tutor who is helping me with the
> discourses
> of Athanasius on the short comings of the Arian heresy, fluttering
> visualization
> of newborn glass wing butterflies, Norman Mailer's THE ARMIES OF THE
> NIGHT*, and
> why Oprah couldn't get Lance to get real;-)**.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyBSrBqogPY
>
> *A Pulitzer Prize winning example of the *non-fiction novel*, (arguably, a
> genre invented by
> Truman Capote with IN COLD BLOOD, please don't mention this to the Dutch
> poster who believes Capote couldn't write, particularly compared to
> Kerouac; the
> writer the Dutch poster most wants to be when he grows up---type, type,
> type) where
> the author referred to himself (the protagonist) in the third person as
> "Mailer"; IMO, a technique used just as effectively in ALL THE PRESIDENTS
> MEN.
>
> **Instead of teaching her judo; I'm attempting to convince the daughter
> that *smiley faces* are the
> canary in the coal mine of our rapid descent into illiteracy, but, after
> way
> too long, I've figured out that smiley faces on FFL are used the way some
> lawyers
> use the term "without prejudice";-).
>
> "All paradises, all utopias are designed by who is not there, by the
> people who are not allowed in."
>
> -Toni Morrison
>
> 
> From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com>
> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 4:28:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] In space no one will hear you scream. Because
> you won't.
>
> Salyavin, as I read this tiny muscles around the base of each hair folicle
> tensed and the hair stood up.  But that's ok because I now know that
> whenever I'm sitting, I'm also floating.  Yay!  BTW, you and Bob Price tie
> for Best Post of 2013 IMHO (-:
>
> 
> From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com>
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:59 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] In space no one will hear you scream. Because you
> won't.
>
>
> 20 amazing facts about the human body
> Many of the most exciting discoveries in all fields of science are being
> played out in the human body
>
> * The Observer,  Sunday 27 January 2013
> *
>
> From DNA to the atoms inside us, the human body is a scientific marvel.
> Photograph: David Smith/Alamy
> 1 APPENDIX TO LIFE
> The appendix gets a bad press. It is usually treated as a body part that
> lost its function millions of years ago. All it seems to do is occasionally
> get infected and cause appendicitis. Yet recently it has been discovered
> that the appendix is very useful to the bacteria that help your digestive
> system function. They use it to g

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Ravi Chivukula

Carol - so awesome you could see that - however these Gurus, the very ones
committing and teaching soul murders are the ones that are worshiped by the
burdened liberals - eager to numb their pain, eager to abdicate
responsibility to these Gurus- this 2000 year old childish fascination with
a messiah suffering for our sins - these masochistic messiahs, adored for
their masochistic, life-abnegating, life-numbing feats of physical
endurance masqueraded as sacrifice and spirituality.

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Carol  wrote:

> **
>
>
> typo: I no longer knew me...not I know longer knew me. Ha.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote:
> >
> > That makes sense to me...as far as turning the experience into a
> philosophy that results in "repression,perversion and/or other life
> abnegating practices."
> >
> > In my previous belief system which was Bible based, we referred to those
> who are 'telios' being fully mature spiritually. We were the
> initiated...the enlightened (but not necessarily the same enlightenment as
> what others in Far East philosophies refer to).
> >
> > But, what I discovered in becoming teleioo is what I term 'soul murder'
> or 'soul suicide.' I know longer knew me and ended up a shell of a person.
> I hope to never go back to that state. (Not saying that is what the
> Biblical word refers to, but rather it was distorted.)
> >
> > Something I had typed (and then deleted) in my previous comment was, "It
> simply is." "It" referring to enlightenment..or whatever one wants to call
> it.
> >
> > Kind of like breath...it is. Or life. Or even death. It is.
> >
> > **
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > >
> > > This is well and good Carol. However most in spirituality make the end
> - such as detachment, freedom as a way of living, as philosophy resulting
> in repression, perversion and/or other life abnegating practices. Hence the
> fascination for Gandhi, Teresa, Dalai Lama, Ammachi - these pseudo
> spiritual life abnegating, poverty worshiping icons, messiahs. So this is
> something to be remembered - that detachment, freedom, humility are the end
> product and cannot be wrapped into a belief system or a style of living.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 27, 2013, at 2:44 PM, "Carol" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks for the responses.
> > > >
> > > > In reading them one word comes to mind...freedom.
> > > >
> > > > And then I think...Freedom from attachment.
> > > >
> > > > But, then I think, of emotions and the feelings of attachment.
> Attachment isn't a bad thing; it just depends on the timing and the type of
> attachment.
> > > >
> > > > Such as children. I love my children and will always feel attached
> with them. But, as they have grown into adults, I've had to let go of parts
> of that attachment.
> > > >
> > > > Hmmthere is a new freedom in letting go of that attachment with
> my children. It is a different kind of attachment now because they don't
> need me like they did when they were infants and youngsters.
> > > >
> > > > In the past years I thought of 'enlightenment' kind of like someone
> being on an ego trip. But, I never really asked about it or read up on it.
> Apparently, I was assuming and/or reading into the term from my own past
> experiences.
> > > >
> > > > From reading the responses here, the responses don't come across as
> ego trips.
> > > >
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Carol wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I find your response interesting. Ravi, I started another thread
> regarding
> > > > > > enlightenment here:
> > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333764
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Would you mind commenting on that thread? (Just to keep the
> comments
> > > > > > together. Hope that is an okay request here on FFL.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In your words, what is "enlightenment?"
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you Carol. Here's what I came up for your question.
> > > > >
> > > > > Enlightenment creates a state of consciousness, a context of
> self-freedom
> > > > > in which one is not constrained by anything outside of oneself
> even as one
> > > > > performs normal actions and goes through normal moods as everyone
> else. An
> > > > > unperturbed inner state of mind untouched, untainted,
> unconditioned by
> > > > > anything.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you!
> > > > > > *
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Meditation gets you there faster, no?"
> > > > > > > No this is a wrong notion that I see being perpetuated by
> everyone I
> > > > > > > hear. Meditation lets you purify your body, mind and senses so
> the
> > > > > > > transition is smoother, easier when the mystical energy
> descends. When
> > > > > > > th

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel

2013-01-27 Thread laughinggull108

http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794

[FairfieldLife] Re: Backpacking --- Emily, or anyone else

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

Hey Steve, Don't mind at all.

There are lots of trails for backpackers all across the USA...10,000's of 
miles...probably more.

My 71 debut was along the Appalachian Trail (AT) in the Eastern USA. I hiked 
from a spot in Virginia to a spot in Tennessee. The first 30 miles my son 
backpacked with me to teach me the ropes, and to help me get my backpacking 
legs. We were on the trail 4 nights. The last 41 I did solo and I was on the 
trail another 4 nights. 

Experienced backpackers can hike 15 to 20 miles a day. So 71 isn't far. But 
thank you for the kudos. I was quite proud of my little 71 mile trek. :)

The AT is 2175 miles long and goes from Georgia to Maine. Then it continues up 
into Canada which is part of the International AT (IAT). And the IAT goes under 
the sea over to Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Appalachian_Trail
**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote:
> snip
> > I've only done a little bit and my longest trip was only 71 miles.
> I've done other short trips for a night or two.
> 
> 
> 71 miles.  That seems like quite an accomplishment.  Where would one
> take a trip like that, and how long did it take?  If you don't mind me
> asking.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

typo: I no longer knew me...not I know longer knew me. Ha.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>
> That makes sense to me...as far as turning the experience into a philosophy 
> that results in "repression,perversion and/or other life abnegating 
> practices."  
> 
> In my previous belief system which was Bible based, we referred to those who 
> are 'telios' being fully mature spiritually. We were the initiated...the 
> enlightened (but not necessarily the same enlightenment as what others in Far 
> East philosophies refer to).  
> 
> But, what I discovered in becoming teleioo is what I term 'soul murder' or 
> 'soul suicide.' I know longer knew me and ended up a shell of a person. I 
> hope to never go back to that state. (Not saying that is what the Biblical 
> word refers to, but rather it was distorted.)
> 
> Something I had typed (and then deleted) in my previous comment was, "It 
> simply is." "It" referring to enlightenment..or whatever one wants to call it.
> 
> Kind of like breath...it is. Or life. Or even death. It is.
> 
> **
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >
> > This is well and good Carol. However most in spirituality make the end - 
> > such as detachment, freedom as a way of living, as philosophy resulting in 
> > repression, perversion and/or other life abnegating practices. Hence the 
> > fascination for Gandhi, Teresa, Dalai Lama, Ammachi - these pseudo 
> > spiritual life abnegating, poverty worshiping icons, messiahs. So this is 
> > something to be remembered - that detachment, freedom, humility are the end 
> > product and cannot be wrapped into a belief system or a style of living.
> > 
> > 
> > On Jan 27, 2013, at 2:44 PM, "Carol"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Thanks for the responses. 
> > > 
> > > In reading them one word comes to mind...freedom.
> > > 
> > > And then I think...Freedom from attachment. 
> > > 
> > > But, then I think, of emotions and the feelings of attachment. Attachment 
> > > isn't a bad thing; it just depends on the timing and the type of 
> > > attachment. 
> > > 
> > > Such as children. I love my children and will always feel attached with 
> > > them. But, as they have grown into adults, I've had to let go of parts of 
> > > that attachment.
> > > 
> > > Hmmthere is a new freedom in letting go of that attachment with my 
> > > children. It is a different kind of attachment now because they don't 
> > > need me like they did when they were infants and youngsters.
> > > 
> > > In the past years I thought of 'enlightenment' kind of like someone being 
> > > on an ego trip. But, I never really asked about it or read up on it. 
> > > Apparently, I was assuming and/or reading into the term from my own past 
> > > experiences. 
> > > 
> > > From reading the responses here, the responses don't come across as ego 
> > > trips. 
> > > 
> > > *
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Carol wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I find your response interesting. Ravi, I started another thread 
> > > > > regarding
> > > > > enlightenment here:
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333764
> > > > >
> > > > > Would you mind commenting on that thread? (Just to keep the comments
> > > > > together. Hope that is an okay request here on FFL.)
> > > > >
> > > > > In your words, what is "enlightenment?"
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you Carol. Here's what I came up for your question.
> > > > 
> > > > Enlightenment creates a state of consciousness, a context of 
> > > > self-freedom
> > > > in which one is not constrained by anything outside of oneself even as 
> > > > one
> > > > performs normal actions and goes through normal moods as everyone else. 
> > > > An
> > > > unperturbed inner state of mind untouched, untainted, unconditioned by
> > > > anything.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Thank you!
> > > > > *
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Meditation gets you there faster, no?"
> > > > > > No this is a wrong notion that I see being perpetuated by everyone I
> > > > > > hear. Meditation lets you purify your body, mind and senses so the
> > > > > > transition is smoother, easier when the mystical energy descends. 
> > > > > > When
> > > > > > this happens and if it indeed happens is a big question mark and 
> > > > > > has no
> > > > > > relation to a regular meditation practice such as in my case. Two 
> > > > > > years
> > > > > > down the line I seem to agree with Vaj that TM is an unhealthy
> > > > > > meditation technique that can cause abnormal states of mind - 
> > > > > > better to
> > > > > > stick with hatha yoga, pranaayama etc. So enlightenment is not an
> > > > > > achievement. This is the problem I had with most on Batgap - what 
> > > > > > most
> > > > > > are describing the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

That makes sense to me...as far as turning the experience into a philosophy 
that results in "repression,perversion and/or other life abnegating practices." 
 

In my previous belief system which was Bible based, we referred to those who 
are 'telios' being fully mature spiritually. We were the initiated...the 
enlightened (but not necessarily the same enlightenment as what others in Far 
East philosophies refer to).  

But, what I discovered in becoming teleioo is what I term 'soul murder' or 
'soul suicide.' I know longer knew me and ended up a shell of a person. I hope 
to never go back to that state. (Not saying that is what the Biblical word 
refers to, but rather it was distorted.)

Something I had typed (and then deleted) in my previous comment was, "It simply 
is." "It" referring to enlightenment..or whatever one wants to call it.

Kind of like breath...it is. Or life. Or even death. It is.

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> This is well and good Carol. However most in spirituality make the end - such 
> as detachment, freedom as a way of living, as philosophy resulting in 
> repression, perversion and/or other life abnegating practices. Hence the 
> fascination for Gandhi, Teresa, Dalai Lama, Ammachi - these pseudo spiritual 
> life abnegating, poverty worshiping icons, messiahs. So this is something to 
> be remembered - that detachment, freedom, humility are the end product and 
> cannot be wrapped into a belief system or a style of living.
> 
> 
> On Jan 27, 2013, at 2:44 PM, "Carol"  wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for the responses. 
> > 
> > In reading them one word comes to mind...freedom.
> > 
> > And then I think...Freedom from attachment. 
> > 
> > But, then I think, of emotions and the feelings of attachment. Attachment 
> > isn't a bad thing; it just depends on the timing and the type of 
> > attachment. 
> > 
> > Such as children. I love my children and will always feel attached with 
> > them. But, as they have grown into adults, I've had to let go of parts of 
> > that attachment.
> > 
> > Hmmthere is a new freedom in letting go of that attachment with my 
> > children. It is a different kind of attachment now because they don't need 
> > me like they did when they were infants and youngsters.
> > 
> > In the past years I thought of 'enlightenment' kind of like someone being 
> > on an ego trip. But, I never really asked about it or read up on it. 
> > Apparently, I was assuming and/or reading into the term from my own past 
> > experiences. 
> > 
> > From reading the responses here, the responses don't come across as ego 
> > trips. 
> > 
> > *
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Carol wrote:
> > > 
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I find your response interesting. Ravi, I started another thread 
> > > > regarding
> > > > enlightenment here:
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333764
> > > >
> > > > Would you mind commenting on that thread? (Just to keep the comments
> > > > together. Hope that is an okay request here on FFL.)
> > > >
> > > > In your words, what is "enlightenment?"
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Thank you Carol. Here's what I came up for your question.
> > > 
> > > Enlightenment creates a state of consciousness, a context of self-freedom
> > > in which one is not constrained by anything outside of oneself even as one
> > > performs normal actions and goes through normal moods as everyone else. An
> > > unperturbed inner state of mind untouched, untainted, unconditioned by
> > > anything.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Thank you!
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Meditation gets you there faster, no?"
> > > > > No this is a wrong notion that I see being perpetuated by everyone I
> > > > > hear. Meditation lets you purify your body, mind and senses so the
> > > > > transition is smoother, easier when the mystical energy descends. When
> > > > > this happens and if it indeed happens is a big question mark and has 
> > > > > no
> > > > > relation to a regular meditation practice such as in my case. Two 
> > > > > years
> > > > > down the line I seem to agree with Vaj that TM is an unhealthy
> > > > > meditation technique that can cause abnormal states of mind - better 
> > > > > to
> > > > > stick with hatha yoga, pranaayama etc. So enlightenment is not an
> > > > > achievement. This is the problem I had with most on Batgap - what most
> > > > > are describing there are some altered states of consciousness created 
> > > > > by
> > > > > their meditation techniques.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread seventhray27


Ok, I'm down with that.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> It was a joke Steve - but I still say that what the TMO presents is
like watching Lawrence Welk and what the TMO actually does is like
watching a Black Veil Brides video
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: seventhray27
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:05 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words
>
>
> Â
> MJ, you'll latch on to anything that you think will discredit the
despised TMO.Â Â Sometimes you just plain make a fool of yourself.
> I had a bite of rare steak the otherÂ night that made me
transcend.Â  How can we spin that?Â  How bout TM makes people
bloodthirsty.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> >
> > Oh Share I love this! I wish I could see Bob Roth and his TMO
buddies response to the statement that TM transcending thru TM and
smoking pot sometimes give the same experience! Thanks for posting this!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Share Long
> > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
> >
> >
> > ÃÂ
> > Carol me and many of my long term TM friends could care less if
we're enlightened.ÃÂ  But I want to respond to your exchange with
Emily about backpacking, walking the dog, etc.
> >
> > I remember the first time I meditated in March 1975 I thought, oh,
I've had this
> > before.ÃÂ  It was very familiar to me.ÃÂ  From sometimes
getting in the zone
> > when I played sports.ÃÂ  Sometimes snoozing in the hammock in
the backyard
> > after work.ÃÂ  Sometimes from dancing to my favorite
music.ÃÂ  Body surfing!ÃÂ  Sometimes from
> > marijuana.ÃÂ  And I definitely wanted that relaxed but alive
experience
> > in a natural way.ÃÂ  I think that's what I get with TM.ÃÂ
> >
> > I really like
> > Maharishi's analogy for this:ÃÂ  meditating is like dipping a
cloth in the dye where the cloth is your nervous system and the dye is
Being or pure consciousness or what Doc calls Silence.ÃÂ  Then
engaging in daily
> > activity is like putting the cloth in the sun.ÃÂ  The color
fades, but not completely.ÃÂ  What color is left after fading in
the sun, that color is
> > permanent.ÃÂ  Then dip in dye again, then fade again, over and
over until
> > one day the color is totally permanent.ÃÂ  Being or Silence is
permanently experienced along with all other states.ÃÂ  Maharishi
calls it restful
> > alertness and for me that phrase captures its quality of being both
settled and potentially full of activity. ÃÂ
> >
> > I'd say practicing TM makes the whole process not necessarily faster
but more reliable.ÃÂ
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Carol
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:45 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
> >
> >
> > ÃÂ
> > I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is
like to have the Silence permeate other areas of your life.
> >
> > And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence
called "Enlightenment?"
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding
Enlightenment:
> > "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always
being grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is
established in Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to "infect"
everything else. The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed,
destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)"
> > He stated that here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754
> >
> > ***
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Co$ in the news again.....to Michael

2013-01-27 Thread seventhray27


Thanks Bob,

What I often say, and I don't mean this as an excuse, is that I do read
posts quickly.

It has been my perception that Navashok is a reasonable person, not
especially looking for a fight.  He expresses opinions just as we all
do, but his opinions about Robin, in particular crate people, perhaps
Judy especially, the wrong way.

And then commence a long back and forth between him and Judy.  One that
I follow for a short time, and then lose interest.

But yes, I do follow his logic better Judy's logic.  Perhaps I am
mistaken.  Perhaps he is more of instigator than I can see.  But that
has not been my perception so far.  But that perception that is
certainly open to change.

Thanks for feedback on interactions that you feel I may not be seeing
clearly.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Steve,
>
> I believe you know my fondness for you; this post of yours
> implies that, in her exchanges with him, Judy *demeaned* Navashok by
stating the
> fact that English does not appear to be his first language; are you
suggesting that
> she was being intolerant and that her comments were gratuitous despite
the fact
> Navashok was *attempting* to insult her, and that she should be a
better sport
> and when Navashok shows up to a gunfight with a cudgel, she should
spot him her ammo?Â
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DzcOCyHDqc
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: seventhray27
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:49:40 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Co$ in the news again.to Michael
>
>
>
> Hey Share,
> For the record, I had no idea that Navashok was the same as
Irantea.Â  But rather being made to feel thatÂ I am stupid, as
Judy would seem to imply, I chalk it up to just not being dialed in
toÂ the characteristics of people's posting style.Â  And as well,
I thought his command of english was quite good, and his analysis ofÂ
the puja, excellent.
> And along these same lines, it would not occur to me to try to demean
a person who is not a native speaker, because they makeÂ ocassional
errors in how they write.Â  Or when I diagree withÂ them, to use
thatÂ as some kind of crudgel.
> You know, faint level of feeling and all that.
> No response needed Share.Â  Just saying this for my benefit.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > Steve, like I said...
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Judy, what I gather is that a big part of your personality is to
engage
> > > in petty, mean spirited, meaningless debates. So, I am sorry if I
don't
> > > accord your opinions much respect. But, to borrow a line from
Share,
> > > still wishing you healing in this regard.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Steve, the great advantage of the macro I suggested is that
> > > > it wouldn't reveal the deficiencies in your thinking processes
> > > > that show up when you attempt to construct reasons for your
> > > > conclusions.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Guess it turns out that Share and Michael are able to
communicate in
> > > a
> > > > > civil way, and iron out any differences. Sure a far cry from
the way
> > > > > Barry and Judy wished to charactorize the interaction. But I
guess
> > > if
> > > > > you see an opening to push your agenda you're going to do it,
> > > whether it
> > > > > makes sense or not.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the good wishes, Share - being on FFL has been a
> > > learning
> > > > > experience for me in many ways.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In part it has helped me to deal with the unresolved
> > > understandings of
> > > > > how something that appeared to be so good for me could come in
the
> > > > > context of what in the past was odd and incomprehensible
behavior
> > > from
> > > > > Maha and his TM Movement. I have now a clear understanding of
all my
> > > TM
> > > > > experiences and understand it now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am still learning some things about what has gone down
with the
> > > TMO
> > > > > in years past and for my part I do not have the feeling it
does me
> > > any
> > > > > good to hear all these things
> > > > > > (like TMO reps pressing people to give $50,000 minimum
payment for
> > > a
> > > > > Vedaland project the TMO knew was not going to be built AND
using
> > > films
> > > > > of Doug Henning when they knew he was dying) and talk
sweetness and
> > > > > light about Marsh-hee and the TMO. The
> > > > > > negativity you experience was and is created by
Mar-ha-ree-shee
> > > and
> > > > > his organization. Myself and a few others here who speak about
this
> > > > > aren't the creators of the "negative" energy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I have said before, if a man rob

Re: [FairfieldLife] In space no one will hear you scream. Because you won't.....

2013-01-27 Thread Bob Price

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXPgd3CiQ6Y


Sorry Share Long, I wasn't ignoring you, I've been attending a course in 
Mexico: "An
alchemists guide to quantity surveying, general relativity, scent development
and compassionate list making"; I'm presently on a break before we get
started on the next module: "The specific gravity of an ECHO".


Something that may not have come through in my previous communications is how 
much of a fan of
yours I am, I think you're one of the originals on this list; as an unrepentant
capitalist (granted, with anarchist leanings), I'm drawn to the countless forms
of human consumption (except, of course, the wasting disease kind); I see the 
truth
in "eat more", as a remedy for constipation (offered by witch doctors
to their patients), and encourage whenever possible all forms of consumption
(economic and spiritual). In short, I consider heroic consumption the Holy
Grail of what makes capitalism such a stand out system for bringing out the 
best in people.


I think your whole approach to the consumption of spiritual techniques, 
amulets, essence
oils, counselors, motivational speakers, cranial adjustments, and astrologers, 
has
more than a few legs, and may be what so many of us are looking for; not unlike
participating in Black Friday at Best Buy needs legs, if you're not going to
end up on the wrong end of the stampede.


So Share Long, I say go for it, and know you have a friend in old "grumpy 
boots", who
is watching your back with all these mono Mayan types on FFL, who wouldn't know
a true seeker from a bag of Erewhon rice: I say, why be a sniper when you can
defoliate the jungle with bullets.


And BTW, presently (changes daily) my own practice includes: mantras used in 
Aryan twelve step programs
to treat soma addiction in their pre Merv settlements, Nigerian sea foam
tourmaline light therapy, cedar ship baths, tantric techniques for sand
boarding as taught by Malikat Saba (the Queen of Sheba) in Mareb prior to her
rendezvous with Solomon, a Coptic tutor who is helping me with the discourses
of Athanasius on the short comings of the Arian heresy, fluttering visualization
of newborn glass wing butterflies, Norman Mailer's THE ARMIES OF THE NIGHT*, and
why Oprah couldn't get Lance to get real;-)**.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyBSrBqogPY


*A Pulitzer Prize winning example of the *non-fiction novel*, (arguably, a 
genre invented by
Truman Capote with IN COLD BLOOD, please don't mention this to the Dutch
poster who believes Capote couldn't write, particularly compared to Kerouac; the
writer the Dutch poster most wants to be when he grows up---type, type, type) 
where
the author referred to himself (the protagonist) in the third person as
"Mailer"; IMO, a technique used just as effectively in ALL THE PRESIDENTS MEN.


**Instead of teaching her judo; I'm attempting to convince the daughter that 
*smiley faces* are the
canary in the coal mine of our rapid descent into illiteracy, but, after way
too long, I've figured out that smiley faces on FFL are used the way some 
lawyers
use the term "without prejudice";-). 


"All paradises, all utopias are designed by who is not there, by the people who 
are not allowed in."

-Toni Morrison






From: Share Long 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 4:28:11 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] In space no one will hear you scream. Because you 
won't.



Salyavin, as I read this tiny muscles around the base of each hair folicle 
tensed and the hair stood up.  But that's ok because I now know that whenever 
I'm sitting, I'm also floating.  Yay!  BTW, you and Bob Price tie for Best Post 
of 2013 IMHO (-:






From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:59 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] In space no one will hear you scream. Because you 
won't.



20 amazing facts about the human body
Many of the most exciting discoveries in all fields of science are being played 
out in the human body


* The Observer,  Sunday 27 January 2013
* 

>From DNA to the atoms inside us, the human body is a scientific marvel. 
>Photograph: David Smith/Alamy
1 APPENDIX TO LIFE
The appendix gets a bad press. It is usually treated as a body part that lost 
its function millions of years ago. All it seems to do is occasionally get 
infected and cause appendicitis. Yet recently it has been discovered that the 
appendix is very useful to the bacteria that help your digestive system 
function. They use it to get respite from the strain of the frenzied activity 
of the gut, somewhere to breed and help keep the gut's bacterial inhabitants 
topped up. So treat your appendix with respect.
2 SUPERSIZED MOLECULES
Practically everything we experience is made up of molecules. These vary in 
size from simple pairs of atoms, like an oxygen molecule, to complex organic 
structures. But the biggest molecule in nature resides in yo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Jackson

It was a joke Steve - but I still say that what the TMO presents is like 
watching Lawrence Welk and what the TMO actually does is like watching a Black 
Veil Brides video






 From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:05 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
MJ, you'll latch on to anything that you think will discredit the despised TMO. 
 Sometimes you just plain make a fool of yourself. 
I had a bite of rare steak the other night that made me transcend.  How can we 
spin that?  How bout TM makes people bloodthirsty.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> Oh Share I love this! I wish I could see Bob Roth and his TMO buddies 
> response to the statement that TM transcending thru TM and smoking pot 
> sometimes give the same experience! Thanks for posting this!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Share Long 
> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
> 
> 
> Â  
> Carol me and many of my long term TM friends could care less if we're 
> enlightened.Â  But I want to respond to your exchange with Emily about 
> backpacking, walking the dog, etc.
> 
> I remember the first time I meditated in March 1975 I thought, oh, I've had 
> this 
> before.Â  It was very familiar to me.Â  From sometimes getting in the zone
> when I played sports.Â  Sometimes snoozing in the hammock in the backyard
> after work.Â  Sometimes from dancing to my favorite music.Â  Body surfing!Â  
> Sometimes from
> marijuana.Â  And I definitely wanted that relaxed but alive experience 
> in a natural way.Â  I think that's what I get with TM.Â  
> 
> I really like 
> Maharishi's analogy for this:Â  meditating is like dipping a cloth in the dye 
> where the cloth is your nervous system and the dye is Being or pure 
> consciousness or what Doc calls Silence.Â  Then engaging in daily 
> activity is like putting the cloth in the sun.Â  The color fades, but not 
> completely.Â  What color is left after fading in the sun, that color is 
> permanent.Â  Then dip in dye again, then fade again, over and over until 
> one day the color is totally permanent.Â  Being or Silence is permanently 
> experienced along with all other states.Â  Maharishi calls it restful 
> alertness and for me that phrase captures its quality of being both settled 
> and potentially full of activity. Â  
> 
> I'd say practicing TM makes the whole process not necessarily faster but more 
> reliable.Â  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Carol 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:45 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
> 
> 
> Â  
> I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
> have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 
> 
> And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
> "Enlightenment?"
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment: 
> "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
> grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
> Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The 
> Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds 
> crazy, huh?:-)"
> He stated that here: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754
> 
> ***
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread seventhray27


MJ, your powers of perception are absolutely amazing.  No longer content
to castigate MMY in his current incarantion, you now see fit to  judge
him in all his previous lifetimes.  Where the f are you going to go from
here?  Where is it going to end.  Thank God you ended your involvement
with M and the TMO.  Glad to see you got over that.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> Just goes to show the difference in perception - I feel the Dalai
Llama has a gazillion times more integrity and honesty than marsh-hee
ever did in any lifetime.
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: nablusoss1008
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:50 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the
people who brought it up
>
>
> Â
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
>
> >
> > According to Nabby, anyone who says such things is on
> > the payroll of the CIA, or the Dalai Lama. I don't know
> > about you, but if this is true, my payroll checks have
> > been lost in the mail. :-)
>
> Wrong, I've never mentioned the CIA.
> The FBI, that's another matter. Anyway they found out already more
than 25 years ago that the TMO pose no threat to national security,
which is why they infiltrated us in the first place. Wast of tax payers
money.
> And for the Dolly Lama, he's just a broke politician living on alms
from the Hindu Government that gives him protection because he fled his
own country and left the Tibetans to fight for themselves. I doubt he
has the capacity to send a check to anyone.
> So is someone paying you ? I don't know. Perhaps your deeprooted hate
for the TMO is just that, hate. And perhaps it's the kind of
self-fuelling religious hate we see with so many other fundamentalists.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Backpacking --- Emily, or anyone else

2013-01-27 Thread seventhray27



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote:
snip
> I've only done a little bit and my longest trip was only 71 miles.
I've done other short trips for a night or two.


71 miles.  That seems like quite an accomplishment.  Where would one
take a trip like that, and how long did it take?  If you don't mind me
asking.

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2013-01-27 Thread FFL PostCount

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18 authfriend 
17 Michael Jackson 
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15 seventhray27 
14 salyavin808 
14 Carol 
13 nablusoss1008 
13 Share Long 
12 Bhairitu 
11 Emily Reyn 
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 6 obbajeeba 
 5 merudanda 
 5 Buck 
 5 Bob Price 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> 
>  That's the most sickening thing to
> > me, they way Mr smarm ducked the question about how Doug
> > was at the time, knowing he was on his death bed but showing
> > a movie about his life and telling us what a great guy he was.
> > It was cynicism of a very high order. 
> 
> The truth ofcourse is that noone except Debbie knew Dough
> was sick before he popped. But that doesn't fit into your
> fantasy of the big bad TMO :-)

Oh, Nabby, it was all over the newspapers. Everybody knew
he was dying. He was treated in NYC in early November for
a brain tumor that had metastasized from his lungs, but
obviously that wasn't going to cure his lung cancer. The
TMO may or may not have known he was actually on his
deathbed at the time of the Croatia course, but they knew
it wouldn't be long.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread seventhray27


MJ, you'll latch on to anything that you think will discredit the
despised TMO.  Sometimes you just plain make a fool of yourself.

I had a bite of rare steak the other night that made me transcend.  How
can we spin that?  How bout TM makes people bloodthirsty.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> Oh Share I love this! I wish I could see Bob Roth and his TMO buddies
response to the statement that TM transcending thru TM and smoking pot
sometimes give the same experience! Thanks for posting this!
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Share Long
> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
>
>
> Â
> Carol me and many of my long term TM friends could care less if we're
enlightened.Â  But I want to respond to your exchange with Emily
about backpacking, walking the dog, etc.
>
> I remember the first time I meditated in March 1975 I thought, oh,
I've had this
> before.Â  It was very familiar to me.Â  From sometimes getting
in the zone
> when I played sports.Â  Sometimes snoozing in the hammock in the
backyard
> after work.Â  Sometimes from dancing to my favorite music.Â 
Body surfing!Â  Sometimes from
> marijuana.Â  And I definitely wanted that relaxed but alive
experience
> in a natural way.Â  I think that's what I get with TM.Â
>
> I really like
> Maharishi's analogy for this:Â  meditating is like dipping a cloth
in the dye where the cloth is your nervous system and the dye is Being
or pure consciousness or what Doc calls Silence.Â  Then engaging in
daily
> activity is like putting the cloth in the sun.Â  The color fades,
but not completely.Â  What color is left after fading in the sun,
that color is
> permanent.Â  Then dip in dye again, then fade again, over and over
until
> one day the color is totally permanent.Â  Being or Silence is
permanently experienced along with all other states.Â  Maharishi
calls it restful
> alertness and for me that phrase captures its quality of being both
settled and potentially full of activity. Â
>
> I'd say practicing TM makes the whole process not necessarily faster
but more reliable.Â
>
>
>
> 
> From: Carol
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:45 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
>
>
> Â
> I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is
like to have the Silence permeate other areas of your life.
>
> And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence
called "Enlightenment?"
>
> Thanks!
>
> PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding
Enlightenment:
> "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being
grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established
in Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else.
The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or
disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)"
> He stated that here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754
>
> ***
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread seventhray27


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
snip
>
> I really like
> Maharishi's analogy for this:  meditating is like dipping a cloth in
the dye where the cloth is your nervous system and the dye is Being or
pure consciousness or what Doc calls Silence.  Then engaging in daily
> activity is like putting the cloth in the sun.   The color fades, but
not completely.   What color is left after fading in the sun, that color
is
> permanent.  Then dip in dye again, then fade again, over and over
until
> one day the color is totally permanent.   Being or Silence is
permanently experienced along with all other states.   Maharishi calls
it restful
> alertness and for me that phrase captures its quality of being both
settled and potentially full of activity.
>
> I'd say practicing TM makes the whole process not necessarily faster
but more reliable.

Share, I am trying to reconcile this "faster" and "reliable" idea. If we
assume that this is how silence gets established, then are you saying
that this happens anyway, irregardless of whether one practices a
technique, or not?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread nablusoss1008

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:

 That's the most sickening thing to
> me, they way Mr smarm ducked the question about how Doug
> was at the time, knowing he was on his death bed but showing
> a movie about his life and telling us what a great guy he was.
> It was cynicism of a very high order. 

The truth ofcourse is that noone except Debbie knew Dough was sick before he 
popped. But that doesn't fit into your fantasy of the big bad TMO :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Co$ in the news again.....to Michael

2013-01-27 Thread Bob Price




Steve,

I believe you know my fondness for you; this post of yours
implies that, in her exchanges with him, Judy *demeaned* Navashok by stating the
fact that English does not appear to be his first language; are you suggesting 
that
she was being intolerant and that her comments were gratuitous despite the fact
Navashok was *attempting* to insult her, and that she should be a better sport
and when Navashok shows up to a gunfight with a cudgel, she should spot him her 
ammo? 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DzcOCyHDqc





From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:49:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Co$ in the news again.to Michael



Hey Share,
For the record, I had no idea that Navashok was the same as Irantea.  But 
rather being made to feel that I am stupid, as Judy would seem to imply, I 
chalk it up to just not being dialed in to the characteristics of people's 
posting style.  And as well, I thought his command of english was quite good, 
and his analysis of the puja, excellent.
And along these same lines, it would not occur to me to try to demean a person 
who is not a native speaker, because they make ocassional errors in how they 
write.  Or when I diagree with them, to use that as some kind of crudgel. 
You know, faint level of feeling and all that.
No response needed Share.  Just saying this for my benefit.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> Steve, like I said...
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Judy, what I gather is that a big part of your personality is to engage
> > in petty, mean spirited, meaningless debates. So, I am sorry if I don't
> > accord your opinions much respect. But, to borrow a line from Share,
> > still wishing you healing in this regard.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > >
> > > Steve, the great advantage of the macro I suggested is that
> > > it wouldn't reveal the deficiencies in your thinking processes
> > > that show up when you attempt to construct reasons for your
> > > conclusions.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Guess it turns out that Share and Michael are able to communicate in
> > a
> > > > civil way, and iron out any differences. Sure a far cry from the way
> > > > Barry and Judy wished to charactorize the interaction. But I guess
> > if
> > > > you see an opening to push your agenda you're going to do it,
> > whether it
> > > > makes sense or not.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the good wishes, Share - being on FFL has been a
> > learning
> > > > experience for me in many ways.
> > > > >
> > > > > In part it has helped me to deal with the unresolved
> > understandings of
> > > > how something that appeared to be so good for me could come in the
> > > > context of what in the past was odd and incomprehensible behavior
> > from
> > > > Maha and his TM Movement. I have now a clear understanding of all my
> > TM
> > > > experiences and understand it now.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am still learning some things about what has gone down with the
> > TMO
> > > > in years past and for my part I do not have the feeling it does me
> > any
> > > > good to hear all these things
> > > > > (like TMO reps pressing people to give $50,000 minimum payment for
> > a
> > > > Vedaland project the TMO knew was not going to be built AND using
> > films
> > > > of Doug Henning when they knew he was dying) and talk sweetness and
> > > > light about Marsh-hee and the TMO. The
> > > > > negativity you experience was and is created by Mar-ha-ree-shee
> > and
> > > > his organization. Myself and a few others here who speak about this
> > > > aren't the creators of the "negative" energy.
> > > > >
> > > > > As I have said before, if a man robs a bank and you call him a
> > robber
> > > > it isn't negativity. If a man masquerades as a spiritual leader
> > claiming
> > > > to have no interest in women, power and money and is a liar, a
> > > > womanizer, a money hungry self aggrandizing charlatan who needed his
> > > > title and picture on everything under the sun and someone describes
> > that
> > > > person and his organization in just that way, it isn't negative,
> > just
> > > > reporting the truth. But when such truth feels negative, maybe it is
> > > > bumping up against the illusions some hold about Maha being the
> > > > spiritual savior of Mother Earth.
> > > > >
> > > > > One never knows what a post here on FFL will bring forth from
> > others -
> > > > its always interesting!
> > > > >
> > > > > I read what everyone has said so far and I agree with Barry - why
> > not
> > > > discuss the
> > > > > incident itself - one reason I had such a reaction was I had never
> > > > heard of TMO deliberately soliciting rounding sidhas/gov

[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie

2013-01-27 Thread seventhray27



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote:
>
> Well as you know, the rich have always been the patrons of the arts.
They certainly were for my uncle during his life. And think of the
Medici family in Florence! They practically single-highhandedly financed
Renaissance art.
>
> Snowmass sounds like a great place to hang, I have never been there
and have never skied out West. What a great family memory to snag while
you can.
>
> Let me know if you ever make it to the gallery and if you see my
Uncle's exhibit. Here is a link to his art there:
>
>
http://www.slam.org/emuseum/code/emuseum.asp?collection=6732&collectionn\
ame=American%20Art&style=Browse¤trecord=1&page=collection&profile=obj\
ects&searchdesc=American%20Art&quicksearch=joe%20jones
>
> Even without the personal connection I love his work. I just bought a
book the museum put out on his work after a 4 year project to collect
information about him.
>
> Uncle Joe really moved to his own drummer only. He was famous for
turning down better paying commercial work to do things he thought were
more important. And he was just as subject to the vagaries of the public
as artist's today. You know how TV talent shows play up the personal
struggle angle in their back stories? When Joe moved on from his angry
young man period of art, he lost much of the press's interest. But his
later work was in many ways even more interesting than his more
provocative pieces. Here is one of my favorites being sold as a
lithograph:
>
>
http://www.annexgalleries.com/inventory/detail/8159/Joe-Jones/Head-Light\
s-and-Tail-Lights



What a change in style.  I like it very much as well. That is
interesting as well about the ebb and flow of his popularity.  It sounds
like he navigated the communist affiliation pretty well, and his view
changed over time.  That happens.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Bob Price

Too bad about the link, it played just fine in Playa Del Carmen; how about 
these:

OBBA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwR0n87v2BQ

EMILY:

http://tinyurl.com/ah6ye8j

ONCE UPON A TIME:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvDJ5a6KZj4




From: Emily Reyn 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:41:52 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the 
people who brought it up



I noted the same about the link, but know the song and thus moved to Bob's 
other link of the book.  What a great book; a great offering with wonderful 
drawings.  The pages turn for you, which is very cool.  That is a pertinent 
link to what Curtis posted and I have saved it to peruse.  



>
> From: obbajeeba 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:28 AM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
>who brought it up
> 
>
>  
>FFL, the endless battle of who did what, and how come I am not fucking 
>enlightened yet. 
>
>Hey Bob, the link you put at the end of your post below on this thread, it 
>does not work if one lives in the States. I love Purple rain to go along with 
>those purple high stretch stiletto boots, please share a link we can see from 
>here, the States.. Emily would most likely appreciate it too!
>The mention in a post to the Turq, I do not live in Fairfield, and not in 
>Manhattan (deduct my non response of 72nd and 4th)(nor the L train from 
>Willamsburg) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhgjEObtrWE  Oh,Give me a ticket 
>on an Air-o-plane."  you now have minus three areas I may or may not live,at 
>certain times. :)
>I live in my skin, the blanket of FFL. You guys and ladies, are my warmth. :)
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>>
>> MILAREPA once sent three of his devotees, each with a
>> 
>> blanket, into the mountains of Tibet with the instruction to not return until
>> they had mastered their inner heat.Â 
>> 
>> 
>> The monks found an ice field, laid out their blankets, and
>> began to mediate; windstorms and angry blizzards pummeled the three 
>> adherents and
>> covered them with ice and snow, but the three continued to mediate without 
>> interruption.
>> 
>> 
>> Finally, after ten years had passed, one of the monks opened
>> his eyes and glared at the monk beside him and angrily shouted:Â 
>> 
>> 
>> "You're sitting on my blanket!"
>> 
>> 
>> The angry monk then closed his eyes and the three continued to mediate.Â 
>> 
>> 
>> More wind, snow and ice storms hit the mountain and froze the
>> monks solid, but still they continued their practice without interruption.
>> 
>> 
>> After another ten years had passed the second monk opened his eyes and 
>> shouted:
>> 
>> 
>> "No I'm not!"
>> 
>> 
>> The second angry monk then closed his eyes again, and the
>> three continued to mediate peacefully. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> More blizzards and wind storms hit the mountain and covered
>> the three monks with freezing rain and snow; the howling wind was deafening,
>> and at times the three mediating monks were encased in solid blocks of ice, 
>> but
>> they remained immoveable and continued to mediate uninterrupted.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Finally, after another ten years had passed (making it
>> thirty years since they had arrived), the third monk suddenly jumped up, 
>> grabbed
>> his blanket, and ran down the mountain, back to the monastery where MILAREPA 
>> was waiting. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> MILAREPA asked the devotee:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "Why have you returned, have you mastered your inner heat?"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> And the third monk answered:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "No master, I'm back because I got sick and tired of all the bickering and 
>> fighting!"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> For OBBA:
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bydB3-k-qU
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: turquoiseb 
>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:21 AM
>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who 
>> brought it up
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Just so this doesn't get buried inside a topic many
>> people weren't reading, here it is with a new title,
>> and under a new thread.
>> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoisebÂ Â wrote:
>> >
>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoisebÂ Â wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > What makes you think that this "negatively charged tone"
>> > > is in THEM? It seems to me that a large number of people
>> > > *project* such things ONTO the TM critics, because they're
>> > > heavily attached to Maharishi and TM, and *their* buttons
>> > > got pushed. They're experiencing emotions inside themselves
>> > > that they perceive as negative, so they project the source
>> > > of that perceived negativity onto the critic. 
>> > 
>> > To expand upon this, Share, here's what I saw happen
>> > in this thread about the fundraising for Vedaland. 
>> > 
>> > B

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lieÃ¢â‚¬Â¦

2013-01-27 Thread Bob Price

Curtis,

I like this thread, thank you for that; I'm also pleased you and Emily liked 
the book. 

One of my favorite Impressionists is Berthe Morisot; Professor Richard Brettell 
said of her:

"Berthe Morisot (1841-1895) was the first woman artist
in the history of French art to have a career comparable to the best of her
male colleagues. She was also the first to be accepted completely as a
colleague by a diverse group of male artists, including Manet, Degas and
Renoir. Her acceptance was a radical notion, and it contributed to the idea
that the Impressionists were modern. In many ways, she was more central to the
idea of Impressionist painting than many of her male colleagues. Yet her social
position in the haute bourgeoisie and her gender shaped her oeuvre powerfully."

What first attracted me to Morisot's art was her depiction
of children in her work, I believe she had few peers in that regard, she was a
loving mother, and it showed in a number of her paintings; I believe she used
children as subjects for a number of reasons, but one of them was to make a
statement about color symbolically, because of her insight that their innocence
reveals color emotionally to children in a way that becomes less available to
us as we age, and she was reaching for that innocence. The best description
I've read about her use of color was:

"...her colors looked like crushed jewels or flower petals." 

My favorite painting of hers is "Child among Hollyhocks"
which for me feels like the childhood so many would liked to have had. 
This link will take you to a technical report about the
painting; it may be a bit too analytical for some, I found it stimulating (on 
both sides of my brain;-). 

http://tinyurl.com/a2dg5sy

http://www.museenkoeln.de/ausstellungen/wrm_0802_impressionismus/abb/gross/27_e.pdf

From: curtisdeltablues 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:25:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lieÃ¢â‚¬Â¦

This is very cool Bob, thanks for posting this.  I spent some time this morning 
digging in, and it even discusses the lack of artistic education for young 
people!  Some things never change.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> This link will take you to the book:Â 
> 
> "The Grammar of Painting and Engraving"Â 
> 
> -Written in the 19th century by Charles Blanc, 
> 
> 
> whose theoriesÂ  (particularly on color) were studied closely by Van Gogh, 
> Gaugin and Seurat:
> 
> http://archive.org/stream/grammarofpaintin00blaniala#page/n0/mode/2up
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: seventhray27 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:16:57 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lieÃ¢â‚¬Â¦
> 
> 
> 
> Very nice.Â  Paid off for you.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> >
> > Excellent post, Curtis - I grew up an admirer of comics - ie, the art, and 
> > wanted to draw - couldn't even draw a stick figure hardly - discovered 
> > Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, bought it, worked with it - about 3 
> > or 4 months later the enclosed attachment came forth - it was the last 
> > thing I drew back in 1996.
> > 
> > For whatever its worth, when I would spend an hour or so drawing according 
> > to the techniques she set forth, I would always go into that silent mind 
> > place she talks about (I forget her name for it) when I would come out of 
> > the drawing session and went back to verbal left brain functioning I would 
> > experience GC and UC big time for a couple hours at least - the more often 
> > I drew the more intense and obvious the GC/UC experiences became - dunno 
> > why I quit.
> > 
> > 
> > The light was not great when I snapped the pic of my drawing and yep I was 
> > a big Star Trek fan
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: curtisdeltablues 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:40 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lieÃ¢â‚¬Â¦
> > 
> > 
> > Ã‚Â  
> > It makes me wonder how much of education is just giving kids with a natural 
> > inclination a track to run on rather than educating everyone up to a 
> > certain level of competence in everything. What is interesting to me is how 
> > persistent these self limiting ideas about ourselves are.
> > 
> > Some of it may have to do with our cultural focus on people who are amazing 
> > at certain things. It makes it all seem far from our reach. We need more 
> > exposure to the "road from sucking" at things maybe. A focus on the process 
> > rather than the outcome. But letting a kid go through the whole educational 
> > system without ever giving him or her a chance with some decent instruction 
> > seems like a set up to me now. I had no idea what I didn't know but needed 
> > to in order to draw.
> > 
> > I have another book I am go

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Jackson

It'll never happen Sal - to sue you for libel, they would have to prove the 
event never happened and they know there were too many people there would would 
not testify in their behalf.





 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:55 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
who brought it up
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:

> Apart from the waste of a nice sunny afternoon it would be to invent stories, 
> I'm well aware I could be sued for spreading falsehoods 
> like this.

It's nice to see that you yourself feel you are s important, probably THE 
most important Sidha in the history of the Movement :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting Over Spiritual Nostalgia

2013-01-27 Thread nablusoss1008

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> My actions may be all about avoidance to you, yet your actions SCREAM 
> addiction and obsession and drama queenery to me, always whining and 
> screeching about what the TMO and Maharishi did or did not do. WTF? Grow up - 
> let it go.

It's more than 40 years since the Turq did a stint in the TMO. That's FORTY 
years !!!  And he still goes on and on about it yet at the same time he claims 
to have moved on ! Surely there must be some help for such  addictions, some 
pills or something that could give the poor fellow some relief ??? 

Perhaps this is what he need, to really rub some salt into his open wounds for 
him to heal more quickly: " Yes, I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
**EVER** FORGET IT!:-)"

:-)
"

[FairfieldLife] Interview with "Last Resort" co-creator on the finale

2013-01-27 Thread Bhairitu

For the other folks here who watched the short-lived series and finale 
on ABC.  If you haven't seen the finale yet wait until you have to read 
the article.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/25/last-resort-co-creator-discusses-the-finale-and-where-the-series-would-have-gone-had-it-continued

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Ravi Chivukula

This is well and good Carol. However most in spirituality make the end - such 
as detachment, freedom as a way of living, as philosophy resulting in 
repression, perversion and/or other life abnegating practices. Hence the 
fascination for Gandhi, Teresa, Dalai Lama, Ammachi - these pseudo spiritual 
life abnegating, poverty worshiping icons, messiahs. So this is something to be 
remembered - that detachment, freedom, humility are the end product and cannot 
be wrapped into a belief system or a style of living.


On Jan 27, 2013, at 2:44 PM, "Carol"  wrote:

> Thanks for the responses. 
> 
> In reading them one word comes to mind...freedom.
> 
> And then I think...Freedom from attachment. 
> 
> But, then I think, of emotions and the feelings of attachment. Attachment 
> isn't a bad thing; it just depends on the timing and the type of attachment. 
> 
> Such as children. I love my children and will always feel attached with them. 
> But, as they have grown into adults, I've had to let go of parts of that 
> attachment.
> 
> Hmmthere is a new freedom in letting go of that attachment with my 
> children. It is a different kind of attachment now because they don't need me 
> like they did when they were infants and youngsters.
> 
> In the past years I thought of 'enlightenment' kind of like someone being on 
> an ego trip. But, I never really asked about it or read up on it. Apparently, 
> I was assuming and/or reading into the term from my own past experiences. 
> 
> From reading the responses here, the responses don't come across as ego 
> trips. 
> 
> *
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Carol wrote:
> > 
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > I find your response interesting. Ravi, I started another thread regarding
> > > enlightenment here:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333764
> > >
> > > Would you mind commenting on that thread? (Just to keep the comments
> > > together. Hope that is an okay request here on FFL.)
> > >
> > > In your words, what is "enlightenment?"
> > >
> > 
> > Thank you Carol. Here's what I came up for your question.
> > 
> > Enlightenment creates a state of consciousness, a context of self-freedom
> > in which one is not constrained by anything outside of oneself even as one
> > performs normal actions and goes through normal moods as everyone else. An
> > unperturbed inner state of mind untouched, untainted, unconditioned by
> > anything.
> > 
> > 
> > > Thank you!
> > > *
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Meditation gets you there faster, no?"
> > > > No this is a wrong notion that I see being perpetuated by everyone I
> > > > hear. Meditation lets you purify your body, mind and senses so the
> > > > transition is smoother, easier when the mystical energy descends. When
> > > > this happens and if it indeed happens is a big question mark and has no
> > > > relation to a regular meditation practice such as in my case. Two years
> > > > down the line I seem to agree with Vaj that TM is an unhealthy
> > > > meditation technique that can cause abnormal states of mind - better to
> > > > stick with hatha yoga, pranaayama etc. So enlightenment is not an
> > > > achievement. This is the problem I had with most on Batgap - what most
> > > > are describing there are some altered states of consciousness created by
> > > > their meditation techniques.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread doctordumbass

Doesn't matter - DL doesn't have any techniques for the masses, just a status 
quo nice guy, living in the past. Can't really compare the two, at all.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Just goes to show the difference in perception - I feel the Dalai Llama has a 
> gazillion times more integrity and honesty than marsh-hee ever did in any 
> lifetime.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: nablusoss1008 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:50 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
> who brought it up
>  
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > According to Nabby, anyone who says such things is on
> > the payroll of the CIA, or the Dalai Lama. I don't know
> > about you, but if this is true, my payroll checks have
> > been lost in the mail.  :-)
> 
> Wrong, I've never mentioned the CIA. 
> The FBI, that's another matter. Anyway they found out already more than 25 
> years ago that the TMO pose no threat to national security, which is why they 
> infiltrated us in the first place. Wast of tax payers money. 
> And for the Dolly Lama, he's just a broke politician living on alms from the 
> Hindu Government that gives him protection because he fled his own country 
> and left the Tibetans to fight for themselves. I doubt he has the capacity to 
> send a check to anyone. 
> So is someone paying you ? I don't know. Perhaps your deeprooted hate for the 
> TMO is just that, hate. And perhaps it's the kind of self-fuelling religious 
> hate we see with so many other fundamentalists.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Jackson

Just goes to show the difference in perception - I feel the Dalai Llama has a 
gazillion times more integrity and honesty than marsh-hee ever did in any 
lifetime.

 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:50 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
who brought it up

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

> 
> According to Nabby, anyone who says such things is on
> the payroll of the CIA, or the Dalai Lama. I don't know
> about you, but if this is true, my payroll checks have
> been lost in the mail.  :-)

Wrong, I've never mentioned the CIA. 
The FBI, that's another matter. Anyway they found out already more than 25 
years ago that the TMO pose no threat to national security, which is why they 
infiltrated us in the first place. Wast of tax payers money. 
And for the Dolly Lama, he's just a broke politician living on alms from the 
Hindu Government that gives him protection because he fled his own country and 
left the Tibetans to fight for themselves. I doubt he has the capacity to send 
a check to anyone. 
So is someone paying you ? I don't know. Perhaps your deeprooted hate for the 
TMO is just that, hate. And perhaps it's the kind of self-fuelling religious 
hate we see with so many other fundamentalists.

[FairfieldLife] Backpacking --- Emily, or anyone else

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

Emily, you mentioned in another post that you backpack. 

Have you done much backpacking and where are some of the places you have back 
packed?

I just started backpacking in 2009. I've always loved the woods and have been a 
day hiker all my life, but my health (in the past) kept from being able to back 
pack. Finally (at age 49) I was well enough to give it a go. 

I've only done a little bit and my longest trip was only 71 miles. I've done 
other short trips for a night or two.

I live on the east coast in North Carolina, so the Appalachian Trail is in my 
back yard and I feel at home there. I have backpacked a small portion of the AT 
in New York.

My high school dream was to thru-hike the AT some day. I got chronically sick 
at age 22 and was stuck in that chronic ill health for a few decades.

But now my high school dream is alive again. I want to thru-hike the AT the 
year I turn 60 or before if life circumstances fall into place prior to the big 
six zero. But, I'm thinking I'll hike the upper half (Harper's Ferry to 
Katahdin) and then take a bus back to Harper's Ferry and hike the lower half 
(Harper's Ferry to Springer). So technically it may be just two giant section 
hikes with a week or so off in between.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread nablusoss1008



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:

> Apart from the waste of a nice sunny afternoon it would be to invent stories, 
> I'm well aware I could be sued for spreading falsehoods 
> like this.


It's nice to see that you yourself feel you are s important, probably THE 
most important Sidha in the history of the Movement :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread nablusoss1008

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

> 
> According to Nabby, anyone who says such things is on
> the payroll of the CIA, or the Dalai Lama. I don't know
> about you, but if this is true, my payroll checks have
> been lost in the mail.  :-)

Wrong, I've never mentioned the CIA. 
The FBI, that's another matter. Anyway they found out already more than 25 
years ago that the TMO pose no threat to national security, which is why they 
infiltrated us in the first place. Wast of tax payers money. 
And for the Dolly Lama, he's just a broke politician living on alms from the 
Hindu Government that gives him protection because he fled his own country and 
left the Tibetans to fight for themselves. I doubt he has the capacity to send 
a check to anyone. 
So is someone paying you ? I don't know. Perhaps your deeprooted hate for the 
TMO is just that, hate. And perhaps it's the kind of self-fuelling religious 
hate we see with so many other fundamentalists.

[FairfieldLife] TMO Musical Picture

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Jackson

Since Curtis has been talking about art and music, I thought I would paint a 
musical picture of the TMO

What the TMO presents is like watching an episode of Lawrence Welk

What the TMO actually does is like watching a Black Veil Brides video

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

Yes. When I googled "suutra," holy google gave me "sutra." Thank you Card. :)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> >
> > I had to google suutra and Taimni. ;D
> > **
> 
> I think 'sutra' (that is, leaving the long u-sound
> "un-indicated") might give more results...
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is 
> > > > like to have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 
> > > > 
> > > > And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence 
> > > > called "Enlightenment?"
> > > 
> > > My wild guess is it might be based (at least) on these two suutras:
> > > 
> > > nirvicaara-vaishaaradye 'dhyaatma-prasaadaH. (I 47)
> > > 
> > > Taimni's translation:
> > > 
> > > On attaining the utmost purity of the nirvicaara stage (of samaadhi)
> > > there is the dawning of the spiritual light.
> > > 
> > > (The on following the YF-suutra:)
> > > 
> > > bahir-akalpitaa vRttir mahaa-videhaa; tataH prakaashaavaraNakSayaH.
> > > 
> > > The power of contacting the state of consciousness (vRttir) which is 
> > > outside (bahiH) the intellect and is therefore inconceivable is called 
> > > mahaa-videhaa. From it is destroyed the covering of light.
> > > 
> > > (I'm not sure how "good" that particular translation is...LOL!)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > 
> > > > PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding 
> > > > Enlightenment: 
> > > > "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
> > > > grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is 
> > > > established in Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" 
> > > > everything else. The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, 
> > > > destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)"
> > > > He stated that here: 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754
> > > > 
> > > > ***
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

Thanks for the responses. 

In reading them one word comes to mind...freedom.

And then I think...Freedom from attachment. 

But, then I think, of emotions and the feelings of attachment. Attachment isn't 
a bad thing; it just depends on the timing and the type of attachment. 

Such as children. I love my children and will always feel attached with them. 
But, as they have grown into adults, I've had to let go of parts of that 
attachment.

Hmmthere is a new freedom in letting go of that attachment with my 
children. It is a different kind of attachment now because they don't need me 
like they did when they were infants and youngsters.

In the past years I thought of 'enlightenment' kind of like someone being on an 
ego trip. But, I never really asked about it or read up on it. Apparently, I 
was assuming and/or reading into the term from my own past experiences. 

>From reading the responses here, the responses don't come across as ego trips. 
> 

*

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Carol  wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > I find your response interesting. Ravi, I started another thread regarding
> > enlightenment here:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333764
> >
> > Would you mind commenting on that thread? (Just to keep the comments
> > together. Hope that is an okay request here on FFL.)
> >
> > In your words, what is "enlightenment?"
> >
> 
> Thank you Carol. Here's what I came up for your question.
> 
> Enlightenment creates a state of consciousness, a context of self-freedom
> in which one is not constrained by anything outside of oneself even as one
> performs normal actions and goes through normal moods as everyone else. An
> unperturbed inner state of mind untouched, untainted, unconditioned by
> anything.
> 
> 
> > Thank you!
> > *
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula" wrote:
> > >
> > > "Meditation gets you there faster, no?"
> > > No this is a wrong notion that I see being perpetuated by everyone I
> > > hear. Meditation lets you purify your body, mind and senses so the
> > > transition is smoother, easier when the mystical energy descends. When
> > > this happens and if it indeed happens is a big question mark and has no
> > > relation to a regular meditation practice such as in my case. Two years
> > > down the line I seem to agree with Vaj that TM is an unhealthy
> > > meditation technique that can cause abnormal states of mind - better to
> > > stick with hatha yoga, pranaayama etc. So enlightenment is not an
> > > achievement. This is the problem I had with most on Batgap - what most
> > > are describing there are some altered states of consciousness created by
> > > their meditation techniques.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread doctordumbass

An umbilical cord to Mother Divine (who others refer to as 'God' - same 
entity)?? This permanent connection to whatever it is, seems to be the destiny 
of each of us. 

Like one of those mid-air refueling ops that the military does, except you've 
never flown before, and all the tech manuals just got sucked out the window. 
You're now traveling at over 600 mph, about seven miles off the ground, 
stabilized in three dimensions, and so is God, or Mother Divine, in a much 
larger vehicle. So, the trick is, to figure out a way to sync up with Her, 
guided purely by intuition.

I could see that taking a few lifetimes to figure out.:-) 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>
> DocD stated: "...where that inner whatever it is, never leaves,..." 
> 
> Ha! I like that description..."inner whatever it is."
> ***
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, that is the progression - first finding silence within oneself when 
> > doing quiet enjoyable activities. Then it grows, finally to a point where 
> > that inner whatever it is, never leaves, even under the most stressful 
> > circumstances. Puts an absolutely different perspective on life, where 
> > success becomes the norm.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Jim stated: "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as 
> > > always being grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is 
> > > established in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" 
> > > everything else. The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, 
> > > destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)"
> > > 
> > > Actually it sounds pretty nice. And it reminds me of my state of 
> > > mind/body when I backpack. One of my goals when I backpack is to bring 
> > > that state packing back with me when I have to re-enter the modern world. 
> > > 
> > > One of my mindfulness mentors has encouraged me to "touch the silence" 
> > > daily. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
> > > > grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is 
> > > > established in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" 
> > > > everything else. The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, 
> > > > destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim...are you serious when you say you are enlightened?  When I've 
> > > > > read a poster on FFL claim enlightenment, I've always taken it as a 
> > > > > sarcasm.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Do certain people on FFL believe they have reached enlightenment?
> > > > > 
> > > > > ***
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LOL - Gotcha!! ...and I told you I had a naughty side, but you just 
> > > > > > don't listen, do ya?...Let's try it again -- HEY BARRY, I AM 
> > > > > > ENLIGHTENED, AND DON'T YOU **EVER** FORGET IT!!!:-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
> > > > > > > > you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
> > > > > > > > I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
> > > > > > > > **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
> > > > > > > it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
> > > > > > > this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
> > > > > > > that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
> > > > > > > convince those people that the moon was made of green
> > > > > > > cheese. :-)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
> > > > > > > about Jim's "enlightened" status, and who believes it,
> > > > > > > to chime in and agree with me. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
> > > > > > > and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
> > > > > > > you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
> > > > > > > > > > > your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full 
> > > > > > > > > > > respect, 
> > > > > > > > > > > adoration and drama it deserves! 
> > > > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread card



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>
> I had to google suutra and Taimni. ;D
> **

I think 'sutra' (that is, leaving the long u-sound
"un-indicated") might give more results...


> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like 
> > > to have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 
> > > 
> > > And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence 
> > > called "Enlightenment?"
> > 
> > My wild guess is it might be based (at least) on these two suutras:
> > 
> > nirvicaara-vaishaaradye 'dhyaatma-prasaadaH. (I 47)
> > 
> > Taimni's translation:
> > 
> > On attaining the utmost purity of the nirvicaara stage (of samaadhi)
> > there is the dawning of the spiritual light.
> > 
> > (The on following the YF-suutra:)
> > 
> > bahir-akalpitaa vRttir mahaa-videhaa; tataH prakaashaavaraNakSayaH.
> > 
> > The power of contacting the state of consciousness (vRttir) which is 
> > outside (bahiH) the intellect and is therefore inconceivable is called 
> > mahaa-videhaa. From it is destroyed the covering of light.
> > 
> > (I'm not sure how "good" that particular translation is...LOL!)
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks!
> > > 
> > > PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment: 
> > > "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
> > > grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established 
> > > in Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. 
> > > The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or 
> > > disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)"
> > > He stated that here: 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754
> > > 
> > > ***
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

I had to google suutra and Taimni. ;D
**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> >
> > I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
> > have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 
> > 
> > And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
> > "Enlightenment?"
> 
> My wild guess is it might be based (at least) on these two suutras:
> 
> nirvicaara-vaishaaradye 'dhyaatma-prasaadaH. (I 47)
> 
> Taimni's translation:
> 
> On attaining the utmost purity of the nirvicaara stage (of samaadhi)
> there is the dawning of the spiritual light.
> 
> (The on following the YF-suutra:)
> 
> bahir-akalpitaa vRttir mahaa-videhaa; tataH prakaashaavaraNakSayaH.
> 
> The power of contacting the state of consciousness (vRttir) which is outside 
> (bahiH) the intellect and is therefore inconceivable is called mahaa-videhaa. 
> From it is destroyed the covering of light.
> 
> (I'm not sure how "good" that particular translation is...LOL!)
> 
> 
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment: 
> > "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
> > grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
> > Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The 
> > Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. 
> > Sounds crazy, huh?:-)"
> > He stated that here: 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754
> > 
> > ***
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

DocD stated: "...where that inner whatever it is, never leaves,..." 

Ha! I like that description..."inner whatever it is."
***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Yeah, that is the progression - first finding silence within oneself when 
> doing quiet enjoyable activities. Then it grows, finally to a point where 
> that inner whatever it is, never leaves, even under the most stressful 
> circumstances. Puts an absolutely different perspective on life, where 
> success becomes the norm.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> >
> > Jim stated: "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always 
> > being grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is 
> > established in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" 
> > everything else. The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, 
> > destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)"
> > 
> > Actually it sounds pretty nice. And it reminds me of my state of mind/body 
> > when I backpack. One of my goals when I backpack is to bring that state 
> > packing back with me when I have to re-enter the modern world. 
> > 
> > One of my mindfulness mentors has encouraged me to "touch the silence" 
> > daily. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
> > > grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established 
> > > in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. 
> > > The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or 
> > > disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jim...are you serious when you say you are enlightened?  When I've read 
> > > > a poster on FFL claim enlightenment, I've always taken it as a sarcasm.
> > > > 
> > > > Do certain people on FFL believe they have reached enlightenment?
> > > > 
> > > > ***
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > LOL - Gotcha!! ...and I told you I had a naughty side, but you just 
> > > > > don't listen, do ya?...Let's try it again -- HEY BARRY, I AM 
> > > > > ENLIGHTENED, AND DON'T YOU **EVER** FORGET IT!!!:-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
> > > > > > > you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
> > > > > > > I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
> > > > > > > **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
> > > > > > it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
> > > > > > this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
> > > > > > that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
> > > > > > convince those people that the moon was made of green
> > > > > > cheese. :-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
> > > > > > about Jim's "enlightened" status, and who believes it,
> > > > > > to chime in and agree with me. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
> > > > > > and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
> > > > > > you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
> > > > > > > > > > your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
> > > > > > > > > > adoration and drama it deserves! 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
> > > > > > > > > > add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
> > > > > > > > > > rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
> > > > > > > > > > going on the list TOO!
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
> > > > > > > > > > of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
> > > > > > > > > > plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
> > > > > > > > > > at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
> > > > > > > > > > pales in comparison!
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
> > > > > > > > > > BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words to bhairitu

2013-01-27 Thread Bhairitu

I have long said on FFL that one is on the road to enlightenment as soon 
as they stop being so concerned (or obsessed) about it. But I am also 
perplexed about people who have practiced meditation for years but say 
they've only had one or two clear experiences of transcending.  I also 
think that many people were so confused about CC, GC, UC and BC that 
they might miss they developed some inner silence that is growing daily. 
Often some advaita exercises will make them aware of it.

In other paths it's just called "moksha" and no levels to it. Obsessing 
about different levels is just a distraction and impediment.

On 01/27/2013 12:37 PM, Share Long wrote:
> Around MIU in the late 70s I always heard that flash is trash, not something 
> to be sought.  I've noticed that flash tends to happen more with those who 
> did LSD.  Which I did not.  And I never heard Maharishi talk about plateaus.  
> Anyway, with practice of the sidhis, the silence I've noticed can be leaning 
> a little more towards liveliness than towards pure silence.  Which I also 
> associate with Purusha so maybe more likely for a guy.  Or more likely for 
> kapha types?
>
>
> Anyway, silence is not to be tried for.  Nor is it useful to try and get 
> deep.  My understanding is that from CC to GC the depth comes up to the 
> surface.  Pointless to try and feel deep in or out of meditation.  Actually 
> counter productive.
>
>
>
> 
>   From: Bhairitu 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
>   
>
>
> On 01/27/2013 10:45 AM, Carol wrote:
>> I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
>> have the Silence permeate other areas of your life.
>>
>> And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
>> "Enlightenment?"
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment:
>> "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
>> grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
>> Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The 
>> Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. 
>> Sounds crazy, huh?:-)"
>> He stated that here: 
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754
>>
>> ***
>>
>>
>>
> I think that Maharishi really confused his followers by giving them the
> idea there was these plateaus.  And if these plateaus weren't achieved
> you are not enlightened.  But go to India and they will tell you if that
> inner silence doesn't go away after meditation you are well on the road
> of enlightenment.  "On the road" because it is an ongrowing experience.
>
> About two years after learning TM I found that I wasn't really coming
> out of meditation as the "state" stayed with me.  After a while it is
> like the "self" doesn't exist unless it is drawn attention to by some
> demand (like a tax collector).  I think many meditators thought that
> enlightenment was going to be a big flashy thing with all kinds of
> lights auras and very powerful.  What they often describe would be
> something that would leave a person unable to interact in daily life.
> They would be sitting in a chair dazzled as if on LSD.
>
> Instead it is that vast inner silence that permeates everything and is
> very grounding.  And it doesn't stop there.
>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread doctordumbass

Yeah, that is the progression - first finding silence within oneself when doing 
quiet enjoyable activities. Then it grows, finally to a point where that inner 
whatever it is, never leaves, even under the most stressful circumstances. Puts 
an absolutely different perspective on life, where success becomes the norm.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>
> Jim stated: "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always 
> being grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is 
> established in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" 
> everything else. The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, 
> or disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)"
> 
> Actually it sounds pretty nice. And it reminds me of my state of mind/body 
> when I backpack. One of my goals when I backpack is to bring that state 
> packing back with me when I have to re-enter the modern world. 
> 
> One of my mindfulness mentors has encouraged me to "touch the silence" daily. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
> > grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
> > Silence within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The 
> > Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. 
> > Sounds crazy, huh?:-)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Jim...are you serious when you say you are enlightened?  When I've read a 
> > > poster on FFL claim enlightenment, I've always taken it as a sarcasm.
> > > 
> > > Do certain people on FFL believe they have reached enlightenment?
> > > 
> > > ***
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > LOL - Gotcha!! ...and I told you I had a naughty side, but you just 
> > > > don't listen, do ya?...Let's try it again -- HEY BARRY, I AM 
> > > > ENLIGHTENED, AND DON'T YOU **EVER** FORGET IT!!!:-)
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
> > > > > > you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
> > > > > > I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
> > > > > > **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
> > > > > it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
> > > > > this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
> > > > > that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
> > > > > convince those people that the moon was made of green
> > > > > cheese. :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
> > > > > about Jim's "enlightened" status, and who believes it,
> > > > > to chime in and agree with me. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
> > > > > and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
> > > > > you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
> > > > > > > > > your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
> > > > > > > > > adoration and drama it deserves! 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
> > > > > > > > > add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
> > > > > > > > > rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
> > > > > > > > > going on the list TOO!
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
> > > > > > > > > of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
> > > > > > > > > plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
> > > > > > > > > at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
> > > > > > > > > pales in comparison!
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
> > > > > > > > > BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!  
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > And almost completely unaware of it. All while
> > > > > > > considering himself enlightened. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
> > > > > > > refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
> > > > > > > their utter reliance on "Kill the messenger"
> > > > > > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Bhairitu

In the US.  I didn't get to India until 1996.

On 01/27/2013 12:24 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> That is a pretty cool description - if you don't mind my asking as a relative 
> newcomer to FFL - did you learn TM in India or the US?
>
>
>
>
> 
>   From: Bhairitu 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
>   
>
>
> On 01/27/2013 10:45 AM, Carol wrote:
>> I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
>> have the Silence permeate other areas of your life.
>>
>> And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
>> "Enlightenment?"
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment:
>> "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
>> grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
>> Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The 
>> Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. 
>> Sounds crazy, huh?:-)"
>> He stated that here: 
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754
>>
>> ***
>>
>>
>>
> I think that Maharishi really confused his followers by giving them the
> idea there was these plateaus.  And if these plateaus weren't achieved
> you are not enlightened.  But go to India and they will tell you if that
> inner silence doesn't go away after meditation you are well on the road
> of enlightenment.  "On the road" because it is an ongrowing experience.
>
> About two years after learning TM I found that I wasn't really coming
> out of meditation as the "state" stayed with me.  After a while it is
> like the "self" doesn't exist unless it is drawn attention to by some
> demand (like a tax collector).  I think many meditators thought that
> enlightenment was going to be a big flashy thing with all kinds of
> lights auras and very powerful.  What they often describe would be
> something that would leave a person unable to interact in daily life.
> They would be sitting in a chair dazzled as if on LSD.
>
> Instead it is that vast inner silence that permeates everything and is
> very grounding.  And it doesn't stop there.
>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Co$ in the news again.....

2013-01-27 Thread Buck


> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > Keep digging, MJ, soon you will have enough material to keep you in a 
> > perpetual angry froth for the next decade.
> >
> 
> Well, different people all along have come along and taken up with following 
> different parts of the story at different times here.  The money, sex or 
> whatever.  MJ is just the latest to come along.  He seems a lot more 
> comprehensive in his inquisitiveness all at once than others who have gone 
> through the discovery before him.  For a while Boo-lives was the go-to guy 
> here on FFL about the financial stories and the moving of money around and of 
> course Rick and the other skin-boys on the sex.  It's all part of the 
> discovery and story of the community here.  The discovery seems to be a part 
> in the community.
> -Buck  
>

Yesterday I watched a visiting theatre director-producer- acting coach from NYC 
give an all-day clinic-workshop on acting and auditioning.  Quite a lot of the 
Fairfield meditating theatre folks were there and other folks who had traveled 
to Fairfield to work with this guy.   Is remarkable again who comes through 
spiritual Fairfield and their schedules.  New York, Los Angeles, London, 
Washington D.C., New Orleans, Chicago, Fairfield Iowa, Miami, Dubai, Riyadh, 
Montreal, Toronto.
Fairfield, Iowa?  
http://tomtodoroff.com/


It was excellent.  In the critique and discussion about the presented scene 
vignettes by people from our acting community the communal problem around the 
culture of TM truthfulness and fear surfaced up and was thought about for a 
while.  Well it is just plain fact that most anybody looking at TM and 
Fairfield is going to find it and wonder about it.  Eventually the movement.org 
is just going to have to deal with it openly if they are going to get beyond 
it.  May the Unified Field Be with them,
-Buck 

  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, I must say that this is a new low I have now discovered for the TM 
> > > Movement - the fact that most of the TM teachers I ever knew really 
> > > seemed to take very seriously the idea that when one is rounding, one 
> > > only does the meditation, resting and watching/listening to whatever the 
> > > knowledge program was about gave me a lot of emotional comfort where the 
> > > TMO was concerned and was one of the last good feelings I had about the 
> > > Movement
> > > 
> > > I mean if nothing else the instruction was to NOT make any major 
> > > decisions when rounding! 
> > > 
> > > Man oh man. That is the very last straw - the TMO was and is all about 
> > > MONEY - I wish someone would take one of those old tapes of Marsh-hee 
> > > walking around smiling and accepting flowers and set it the the music of 
> > > the O'Jays For the Love of Money, and for good measure digitally replace 
> > > the flowers he is receiving from his adoring TM admirers with fist fulls 
> > > of hundred dollar bills.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: salyavin808 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:50 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Co$ in the news again.
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Â  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sal, I hope you will forgive me for asking so many questions - were you 
> > > > on a residence course or WPA at the time? Surely it wasn't a TTC or 
> > > > Governor training was it? 
> > > 
> > > Ask away old chap. It was a WPA to stop the war in Yugoslavia.
> > > I never made TTC, funnily enough ;-) I loved TM and wanted to
> > > live and work with the movement but got disillusioned very
> > > quickly, this incident happened within a year of me joining up.
> > > 
> > > > Much as I revile the Movement I can't imagine they would do any kind of 
> > > > sales pitch to people who are rounding!!!
> > > 
> > > That's another point that annoyed me, we'd been rounding 9 hours a day, 
> > > some of us for months. Talk about easy target. And the course
> > > leaders pointed out the rich dudes on the course so they could
> > > get extra smarm from the PR guy over dinner. It was all most 
> > > distasteful.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Wonder how people like Nabby would justify the selling of this thing 
> > > > under the circumstance of Henning's death?
> > > 
> > > I've mentioned this here before and it rarely gets a comment, most
> > > movement people I've told understand it was wrong but can't reconcile
> > > it with what they want the movement to be I suppose. But as I say I was 
> > > the only one at the time who felt strongly enough to complain, everyone 
> > > else just kept the boat steady. As did I because I thought
> > > all the rounding would be good for me personally, but I got sick of
> > > it and desperately needed to do some activity and quit before the course 
> > > ended.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Ravi Chivukula

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Carol  wrote:

> **
>
>
> I find your response interesting. Ravi, I started another thread regarding
> enlightenment here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333764
>
> Would you mind commenting on that thread? (Just to keep the comments
> together. Hope that is an okay request here on FFL.)
>
> In your words, what is "enlightenment?"
>

Thank you Carol. Here's what I came up for your question.

Enlightenment creates a state of consciousness, a context of self-freedom
in which one is not constrained by anything outside of oneself even as one
performs normal actions and goes through normal moods as everyone else. An
unperturbed inner state of mind untouched, untainted, unconditioned by
anything.


> Thank you!
> *
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula" wrote:
> >
> > "Meditation gets you there faster, no?"
> > No this is a wrong notion that I see being perpetuated by everyone I
> > hear. Meditation lets you purify your body, mind and senses so the
> > transition is smoother, easier when the mystical energy descends. When
> > this happens and if it indeed happens is a big question mark and has no
> > relation to a regular meditation practice such as in my case. Two years
> > down the line I seem to agree with Vaj that TM is an unhealthy
> > meditation technique that can cause abnormal states of mind - better to
> > stick with hatha yoga, pranaayama etc. So enlightenment is not an
> > achievement. This is the problem I had with most on Batgap - what most
> > are describing there are some altered states of consciousness created by
> > their meditation techniques.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Co$ in the news again.....

2013-01-27 Thread Buck



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> Keep digging, MJ, soon you will have enough material to keep you in a 
> perpetual angry froth for the next decade.
>

Well, different people all along have come along and taken up with following 
different parts of the story at different times here.  The money, sex or 
whatever.  MJ is just the latest to come along.  He seems a lot more 
comprehensive in his inquisitiveness all at once than others who have gone 
through the discovery before him.  For a while Boo-lives was the go-to guy here 
on FFL about the financial stories and the moving of money around and of course 
Rick and the other skin-boys on the sex.  It's all part of the discovery and 
story of the community here.  The discovery seems to be a part in the community.
-Buck  
 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Well, I must say that this is a new low I have now discovered for the TM 
> > Movement - the fact that most of the TM teachers I ever knew really seemed 
> > to take very seriously the idea that when one is rounding, one only does 
> > the meditation, resting and watching/listening to whatever the knowledge 
> > program was about gave me a lot of emotional comfort where the TMO was 
> > concerned and was one of the last good feelings I had about the Movement
> > 
> > I mean if nothing else the instruction was to NOT make any major decisions 
> > when rounding! 
> > 
> > Man oh man. That is the very last straw - the TMO was and is all about 
> > MONEY - I wish someone would take one of those old tapes of Marsh-hee 
> > walking around smiling and accepting flowers and set it the the music of 
> > the O'Jays For the Love of Money, and for good measure digitally replace 
> > the flowers he is receiving from his adoring TM admirers with fist fulls of 
> > hundred dollar bills.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: salyavin808 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:50 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Co$ in the news again.
> >  
> > 
> > Â  
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Sal, I hope you will forgive me for asking so many questions - were you 
> > > on a residence course or WPA at the time? Surely it wasn't a TTC or 
> > > Governor training was it? 
> > 
> > Ask away old chap. It was a WPA to stop the war in Yugoslavia.
> > I never made TTC, funnily enough ;-) I loved TM and wanted to
> > live and work with the movement but got disillusioned very
> > quickly, this incident happened within a year of me joining up.
> > 
> > > Much as I revile the Movement I can't imagine they would do any kind of 
> > > sales pitch to people who are rounding!!!
> > 
> > That's another point that annoyed me, we'd been rounding 9 hours a day, 
> > some of us for months. Talk about easy target. And the course
> > leaders pointed out the rich dudes on the course so they could
> > get extra smarm from the PR guy over dinner. It was all most 
> > distasteful.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Wonder how people like Nabby would justify the selling of this thing 
> > > under the circumstance of Henning's death?
> > 
> > I've mentioned this here before and it rarely gets a comment, most
> > movement people I've told understand it was wrong but can't reconcile
> > it with what they want the movement to be I suppose. But as I say I was the 
> > only one at the time who felt strongly enough to complain, everyone else 
> > just kept the boat steady. As did I because I thought
> > all the rounding would be good for me personally, but I got sick of
> > it and desperately needed to do some activity and quit before the course 
> > ended.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words to bhairitu

2013-01-27 Thread Share Long

Around MIU in the late 70s I always heard that flash is trash, not something to 
be sought.  I've noticed that flash tends to happen more with those who did 
LSD.  Which I did not.  And I never heard Maharishi talk about plateaus.  
Anyway, with practice of the sidhis, the silence I've noticed can be leaning a 
little more towards liveliness than towards pure silence.  Which I also 
associate with Purusha so maybe more likely for a guy.  Or more likely for 
kapha types?   

Anyway, silence is not to be tried for.  Nor is it useful to try and get deep.  
My understanding is that from CC to GC the depth comes up to the surface.  
Pointless to try and feel deep in or out of meditation.  Actually counter 
productive.  

 From: Bhairitu 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

On 01/27/2013 10:45 AM, Carol wrote:
> I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
> have the Silence permeate other areas of your life.
>
> And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
> "Enlightenment?"
>
> Thanks!
>
> PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment:
> "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
> grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
> Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The 
> Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds 
> crazy, huh?:-)"
> He stated that here: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754
>
> ***
>
>
>

I think that Maharishi really confused his followers by giving them the 
idea there was these plateaus.  And if these plateaus weren't achieved 
you are not enlightened.  But go to India and they will tell you if that 
inner silence doesn't go away after meditation you are well on the road 
of enlightenment.  "On the road" because it is an ongrowing experience.

About two years after learning TM I found that I wasn't really coming 
out of meditation as the "state" stayed with me.  After a while it is 
like the "self" doesn't exist unless it is drawn attention to by some 
demand (like a tax collector).  I think many meditators thought that 
enlightenment was going to be a big flashy thing with all kinds of 
lights auras and very powerful.  What they often describe would be 
something that would leave a person unable to interact in daily life. 
They would be sitting in a chair dazzled as if on LSD.

Instead it is that vast inner silence that permeates everything and is 
very grounding.  And it doesn't stop there.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie

2013-01-27 Thread Bhairitu

On 01/26/2013 12:58 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
> On 01/26/2013 12:34 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
>>> Wow, I did not know that about them.
>> Yup, they were found, and then introduced to each other,
>> and then trained carefully, by Albert Grossman. He was,
>> possibly not coincidentally, the driving force behind
>> the success of Bob Dylan, Ian and Sylvia, Odetta, John
>> Lee Hooker in his later recording career, Phil Ochs,
>> Gordon Lightfoot, Richie Havens, The Band, the Electric
>> Flag, Jesse Winchester, and Janis Joplin.
>>
>> So again, how much was native talent, and how much of
>> it was a teacher noticing some degree of talent, and
>> turning it into something marketable?
> Actually the "training" or "production" was done by record producers who
> actually knew music and many of them classically trained.  Some like
> Alan Stanton ("The Byrds") and Rick Garrard ("Jefferson Airplane") were
> former high school band directors.  And then, of course, there was
> classically trained George Martin.  It not only takes an educated
> musical background to make amateurs sound like pros but a lot of
> psychology.  And some of these musicians had formal training too but
> record companies liked to hide that fact back then.  Not so these days
> as Lady Gaga has a formal music education and it is touted.

BTW, I should mention that the group I played in when I first lived in 
California in Mill Valley briefly in 1969-70 played all of one gig at 
the Lion's Share in San Anselmo.  Then the band broke up over a spat 
between the guitar player and bass player.  A couple days later I had a 
call from Albert Grossman's office.  He had heard the air check tape of 
the gig and was interested in signing us. Unfortunately I had to inform 
them that the band had broke up.  A couple years ago the bass player 
from that band found me on the Internet.  He never new that Grossman was 
interested and was flabbergasted.

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Untouchables

2013-01-27 Thread Bhairitu

On 01/25/2013 10:34 AM, raunchydog wrote:
> The Untouchables attempts to explain why the Wall Street execs who engineered 
> the great financial wreck of 2008 have never been prosecuted.
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/untouchables/
>
>

I finally got around to watching this.  Everyone in the US should see 
this.  What we have now is a bunch of criminals running the banks.  
That's why we call them banksters.  As some of the interviewees point 
out it is very difficult to prove the cases.  The sad thing is that 
Senator Kaufmann who took Joe Biden's place until and new senator could 
be elected and ran a investigative panel expected the Justice Department 
to investigate and indict some of these corporate CEOs.  No, instead the 
government made a smattering of arrests of small fry including small 
mortgage brokers.  The concern was that such arrests would lead to the 
collapse of companies like Goldman-Sachs, B of A, CitiBank, etc.  And 
no, no, we can't have that as it might bring down the economy.  Well, 
it's bringing down the economy anyway!  Let's have some justice for a 
change but I don't expect it with the Obama Gang.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Jackson

That is a pretty cool description - if you don't mind my asking as a relative 
newcomer to FFL - did you learn TM in India or the US?

 From: Bhairitu 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

On 01/27/2013 10:45 AM, Carol wrote:
> I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
> have the Silence permeate other areas of your life.
>
> And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
> "Enlightenment?"
>
> Thanks!
>
> PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment:
> "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
> grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
> Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The 
> Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds 
> crazy, huh?:-)"
> He stated that here: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754
>
> ***
>
>
>

I think that Maharishi really confused his followers by giving them the 
idea there was these plateaus.  And if these plateaus weren't achieved 
you are not enlightened.  But go to India and they will tell you if that 
inner silence doesn't go away after meditation you are well on the road 
of enlightenment.  "On the road" because it is an ongrowing experience.

About two years after learning TM I found that I wasn't really coming 
out of meditation as the "state" stayed with me.  After a while it is 
like the "self" doesn't exist unless it is drawn attention to by some 
demand (like a tax collector).  I think many meditators thought that 
enlightenment was going to be a big flashy thing with all kinds of 
lights auras and very powerful.  What they often describe would be 
something that would leave a person unable to interact in daily life. 
They would be sitting in a chair dazzled as if on LSD.

Instead it is that vast inner silence that permeates everything and is 
very grounding.  And it doesn't stop there.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Bhairitu

On 01/27/2013 10:45 AM, Carol wrote:
> I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
> have the Silence permeate other areas of your life.
>
> And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
> "Enlightenment?"
>
> Thanks!
>
> PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment:
> "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
> grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
> Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The 
> Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds 
> crazy, huh?:-)"
> He stated that here: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754
>
> ***
>
>
>

I think that Maharishi really confused his followers by giving them the 
idea there was these plateaus.  And if these plateaus weren't achieved 
you are not enlightened.  But go to India and they will tell you if that 
inner silence doesn't go away after meditation you are well on the road 
of enlightenment.  "On the road" because it is an ongrowing experience.

About two years after learning TM I found that I wasn't really coming 
out of meditation as the "state" stayed with me.  After a while it is 
like the "self" doesn't exist unless it is drawn attention to by some 
demand (like a tax collector).  I think many meditators thought that 
enlightenment was going to be a big flashy thing with all kinds of 
lights auras and very powerful.  What they often describe would be 
something that would leave a person unable to interact in daily life. 
They would be sitting in a chair dazzled as if on LSD.

Instead it is that vast inner silence that permeates everything and is 
very grounding.  And it doesn't stop there.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Share Long

dear MJ, silly boy, you know that's not what I meant.  Anyway, I'm not a gov so 
probably I got something wrong.  And I did fall on the ice this morning so 
maybe vata is very vitiated.  I'm just sayin.  But hey, if you're happy, I'm 
happy (-:

BTW, I just made it across the verges, across the sidewalks, across the street 
and to my car which is now ice free.  Next, a trip to the grocery store.  I'm 
so brave!  





 From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
Oh Share I love this! I wish I could see Bob Roth and his TMO buddies response 
to the statement that TM transcending thru TM and smoking pot sometimes give 
the same experience! Thanks for posting this!





 From: Share Long 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
Carol me and many of my long term TM friends could care less if we're 
enlightened.  But I want to respond to your exchange with Emily about 
backpacking, walking the dog, etc.

I remember the first time I meditated in March 1975 I thought, oh, I've had 
this 
before.  It was very familiar to me.  From sometimes getting in the zone
 when I played sports.  Sometimes snoozing in the hammock in the backyard
 after work.  Sometimes from dancing to my favorite music.  Body surfing!  
Sometimes from
 marijuana.  And I definitely wanted that relaxed but alive experience 
in a natural way.  I think that's what I get with TM.  

I really like 
Maharishi's analogy for this:  meditating is like dipping a cloth in the dye 
where the cloth is your nervous system and the dye is Being or pure 
consciousness or what Doc calls Silence.  Then engaging in daily 
activity is like putting the cloth in the sun.  The color fades, but not 
completely.  What color is left after fading in the sun, that color is 
permanent.  Then dip in dye again, then fade again, over and over until 
one day the color is totally permanent.  Being or Silence is permanently 
experienced along with all other states.  Maharishi calls it restful 
alertness and for me that phrase captures its quality of being both settled and 
potentially full of activity.   

I'd say practicing TM makes the whole process not necessarily faster but more 
reliable.  




 From: Carol 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:45 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 

And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
"Enlightenment?"

Thanks!

PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment: 
"It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being grounded 
in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in Silenc 
within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The Silence 
within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, 
huh?:-)"
He stated that here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

***

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread card

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>
> I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
> have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 
> 
> And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
> "Enlightenment?"

My wild guess is it might be based (at least) on these two suutras:

nirvicaara-vaishaaradye 'dhyaatma-prasaadaH. (I 47)

Taimni's translation:

On attaining the utmost purity of the nirvicaara stage (of samaadhi)
there is the dawning of the spiritual light.

(The on following the YF-suutra:)

bahir-akalpitaa vRttir mahaa-videhaa; tataH prakaashaavaraNakSayaH.

The power of contacting the state of consciousness (vRttir) which is outside 
(bahiH) the intellect and is therefore inconceivable is called mahaa-videhaa. 
From it is destroyed the covering of light.

(I'm not sure how "good" that particular translation is...LOL!)

> 
> Thanks!
> 
> PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment: 
> "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
> grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
> Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The 
> Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds 
> crazy, huh?:-)"
> He stated that here: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754
> 
> ***
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Jackson

Oh Share I love this! I wish I could see Bob Roth and his TMO buddies response 
to the statement that TM transcending thru TM and smoking pot sometimes give 
the same experience! Thanks for posting this!

 From: Share Long 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

Carol me and many of my long term TM friends could care less if we're 
enlightened.  But I want to respond to your exchange with Emily about 
backpacking, walking the dog, etc.

I remember the first time I meditated in March 1975 I thought, oh, I've had 
this 
before.  It was very familiar to me.  From sometimes getting in the zone
 when I played sports.  Sometimes snoozing in the hammock in the backyard
 after work.  Sometimes from dancing to my favorite music.  Body surfing!  
Sometimes from
 marijuana.  And I definitely wanted that relaxed but alive experience 
in a natural way.  I think that's what I get with TM.  

I really like 
Maharishi's analogy for this:  meditating is like dipping a cloth in the dye 
where the cloth is your nervous system and the dye is Being or pure 
consciousness or what Doc calls Silence.  Then engaging in daily 
activity is like putting the cloth in the sun.  The color fades, but not 
completely.  What color is left after fading in the sun, that color is 
permanent.  Then dip in dye again, then fade again, over and over until 
one day the color is totally permanent.  Being or Silence is permanently 
experienced along with all other states.  Maharishi calls it restful 
alertness and for me that phrase captures its quality of being both settled and 
potentially full of activity.   

I'd say practicing TM makes the whole process not necessarily faster but more 
reliable.  

 From: Carol 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:45 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 

And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
"Enlightenment?"

Thanks!

PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment: 
"It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being grounded 
in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in Silenc 
within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The Silence 
within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, 
huh?:-)"
He stated that here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

***

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

I find your response interesting. Ravi, I started another thread regarding 
enlightenment here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333764

Would you mind commenting on that thread? (Just to keep the comments together. 
Hope that is an okay request here on FFL.) 

In your words, what is "enlightenment?"

Thank you!
*

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"  wrote:
>
> "Meditation gets you there faster, no?"
> No this is a wrong notion that I see being perpetuated by everyone I
> hear. Meditation lets you purify your body, mind and senses so the
> transition is smoother, easier when the mystical energy descends. When
> this happens and if it indeed happens is a big question mark and has no
> relation to a regular meditation practice such as in my case. Two years
> down the line I seem to agree with Vaj that TM is an unhealthy
> meditation technique that can cause abnormal states of mind - better to
> stick with hatha yoga, pranaayama etc. So enlightenment is not an
> achievement.  This is the problem I had with most on Batgap - what most
> are describing there are some altered states of consciousness created by
> their meditation techniques.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I get to this state of mind backpacking as well, and at the
> beach, and this summer, while camping and hiking in Utah. Â Once I
> get there, which takes several days sometimes (faster backpacking), it
> stays with me during the trip. Â I always try to bring the state back
> to my real life, but I can never maintain it long - within hours or a
> day or two, it's gone. Â Meditation gets you there faster, no?Â
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: Carol
> > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:38 AM
> > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the
> people who brought it up - to Jim
> > >
> > >
> > >Â
> > >Jim stated: "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as
> always being grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person
> is established in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to "infect"
> everything else. The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed,
> destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)"
> > >
> > >Actually it sounds pretty nice. And it reminds me of my state of
> mind/body when I backpack. One of my goals when I backpack is to bring
> that state packing back with me when I have to re-enter the modern
> world.
> > >
> > >One of my mindfulness mentors has encouraged me to "touch the
> silence" daily.
> > >
> > >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Jackson

Bucky, Bucky, I do actually appreciate your unflagging hopefulness, and your 
invitation to meditate together. I will if ever in your town be happy to 
meditate with you and anyone else you invite, but not of course, in the Dome 
since, if your suspicion is correct that the TMO lurks on FFL they will have my 
name and particulars on every "Don't let this unstressing SOB in the Dome, he's 
probably a rakshasa!"

But you must understand that to people like me the idea of "having my 
meditation checked" is anathema since it implies that I am off the path and 
just need to get back onto PROPER tm practice for me to get straightened out. 

But nex time I get up your way, we can meditate together and then I will treat 
you to a good fried chicken, biscuits and milk gravy supper.

I notice that you only seem to get excised at the enormities of the TMO if by 
their behavior they shoo people away from the Domes - do not you see that all 
these TMO crimes we discuss here ARE the reason folks quit TM and don't leap 
about in the Golden Domes of Pure Knowledge





 From: dhamiltony2k5 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
who brought it up
 

  
I really feel that if we could just sit to meditate together then you'd come to 
understand the truly larger Good you rile against.  You guys just need to come 
back, get your meditation checked, sit in a group meditation, listen to an 
advanced lecture again and then you'd see what mischief in nature you are doing 
mucking and raking all this negativity of yours.
I live in my skin, the blanket of FFL. You guys and ladies, are my warmth.
Obba, get off my blanket,
-Buck 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> "The unbounded faith which conservative Meditators have in their own 
> principles, and the way they regard the principles and practices of other 
> techniques, approach intolerance on their part.  They believe they are guided 
> to their convictions by the Spirit of Truth, and they really think they have 
> arrived at absolutely correct conclusions, and that any other opinions are 
> wrong.  They think that all who differ from them would agree with them if 
> they had sufficient light…."
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Why on earth would anyone make up something like that? 
> > > There are far too many stories that abound about unethical 
> > > behavior on the part of the TMO for people to have to 
> > > make any up.
> > 
> > According to Nabby, anyone who says such things is on
> > the payroll of the CIA, or the Dalai Lama. I don't know
> > about you, but if this is true, my payroll checks have
> > been lost in the mail.  :-)
> > 
> > More seriously, there are a number of people here whose
> > world view is so precarious that they believe that anyone
> > who says anything that threatens that world view is
> > attacking them. They're terrified of allowing the (in
> > their view) heretical ideas into their awareness, so 
> > they either retreat into nostalgic ideas of the move-
> > ment and ignore them, or play "Kill the messenger" and
> > try to suppress them.
> > 
> > I think it's sad, and if this mindset is the legacy of
> > the decades they've spent meditating, an even sadder one.
> > 
> > > 
> > >  From: nablusoss1008 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:42 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the 
> > > people who brought it up
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I can honestly say I went on a lot of residence courses, and was 
> > > > > never asked to donate money, or purchase *anything*. Wasn't a perfect 
> > > > > experience, but this rapaciousness you attribute to the reps of the 
> > > > > TMO was just never present whenever I interacted with them. Not once, 
> > > > > during major national courses, residence courses, or working for the 
> > > > > TMO on staff, was I ever asked for donations, or to get the next big 
> > > > > thing. This is some tape loop in your head, that does not match 
> > > > > reality. And you know what they say, where there's smoke, there's 
> > > > > fire...:-)
> > > > 
> > > > Ah, so we imagined it all. Fascinating evasion.
> > > 
> > > I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during 
> > > decades in the TMO.
> > > So far we only have your version of this.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Co$ in the news again.....to Michael

2013-01-27 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> 
> Hey Share,

Translation: Hey, Judy,...(but I'm pretending I'm writing
to Share, aren't I clever?)

> And along these same lines, it would not occur to me to try
> to demean a person who is not a native speaker, because they
> make ocassional errors in how they write.  Or when I diagree
> with them, to use that as some kind of crudgel.

For the record (I don't expect you to understand this, Steve),
navashok's problems with English go way beyond the occasional
errors in how he writes.

He frequently bases his arguments and attacks on
misunderstandings of what his target has written, and
refuses to accept that he could possibly have done so. He
often misses context and nuance (although this could be at
least partly an intellectual deficit as well as a language
deficit). Plus which, his own writing is often incoherent.

If he weren't so obnoxious in his misguided attacks, I
wouldn't be so inclined to demean him for his lack of
fluency in English, nor would I rub his nose in his
occasional errors in how he writes. But he needs to
feel a lot arrogant about his English skills if he's
going to get into big fights; he needs to be aware of
how often he misconstrues what the person he's fighting
with has written.

He's at a disadvantage that isn't really his fault, but
he needs to *recognize* this and leave room for the
possibility that he gets things wrong because of it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread Ravi Chivukula

"Meditation gets you there faster, no?"
No this is a wrong notion that I see being perpetuated by everyone I
hear. Meditation lets you purify your body, mind and senses so the
transition is smoother, easier when the mystical energy descends. When
this happens and if it indeed happens is a big question mark and has no
relation to a regular meditation practice such as in my case. Two years
down the line I seem to agree with Vaj that TM is an unhealthy
meditation technique that can cause abnormal states of mind - better to
stick with hatha yoga, pranaayama etc. So enlightenment is not an
achievement.  This is the problem I had with most on Batgap - what most
are describing there are some altered states of consciousness created by
their meditation techniques.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> Yes, I get to this state of mind backpacking as well, and at the
beach, and this summer, while camping and hiking in Utah. Â Once I
get there, which takes several days sometimes (faster backpacking), it
stays with me during the trip. Â I always try to bring the state back
to my real life, but I can never maintain it long - within hours or a
day or two, it's gone. Â Meditation gets you there faster, no?Â
>
>
>
> >
> > From: Carol
> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:38 AM
> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the
people who brought it up - to Jim
> >
> >
> >Â
> >Jim stated: "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as
always being grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person
is established in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to "infect"
everything else. The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed,
destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)"
> >
> >Actually it sounds pretty nice. And it reminds me of my state of
mind/body when I backpack. One of my goals when I backpack is to bring
that state packing back with me when I have to re-enter the modern
world.
> >
> >One of my mindfulness mentors has encouraged me to "touch the
silence" daily.
> >
> >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

Thanks for the response Share.

You brought to mind my experiences when I used to jog. I had forgotten about 
those. I mostly would go on a jog for my mind, not my body.

So MMY used the term "restful alertness." Is "restful alertness" the same as 
"enlightenment?"

I'm currently on Day 10 of a 15 to 30 day smoothie and juice fast...and I find 
myself again in a, hmmm'other' state of mind. Not sure how to describe it 
yet though. 



  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Carol me and many of my long term TM friends could care less if we're 
> enlightened.Â  But I want to respond to your exchange with Emily about 
> backpacking, walking the dog, etc.
> 
> I remember the first time I meditated in March 1975 I thought, oh, I've had 
> this 
> before.Â  It was very familiar to me.Â  From sometimes getting in the zone
>  when I played sports.Â  Sometimes snoozing in the hammock in the backyard
>  after work.Â  Sometimes from dancing to my favorite music.Â  Body surfing!Â  
> Sometimes from
>  marijuana.Â  And I definitely wanted that relaxed but alive experience 
> in a natural way.Â  I think that's what I get with TM.Â  
> 
> I really like 
> Maharishi's analogy for this:Â  meditating is like dipping a cloth in the dye 
> where the cloth is your nervous system and the dye is Being or pure 
> consciousness or what Doc calls Silence.Â  Then engaging in daily 
> activity is like putting the cloth in the sun.Â  The color fades, but not 
> completely.Â  What color is left after fading in the sun, that color is 
> permanent.Â  Then dip in dye again, then fade again, over and over until 
> one day the color is totally permanent.Â  Being or Silence is permanently 
> experienced along with all other states.Â  Maharishi calls it restful 
> alertness and for me that phrase captures its quality of being both settled 
> and potentially full of activity. Â  
> 
> I'd say practicing TM makes the whole process not necessarily faster but more 
> reliable.Â  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Carol 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:45 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
>  
> 
> Â  
> I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
> have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 
> 
> And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
> "Enlightenment?"
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment: 
> "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
> grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
> Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The 
> Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds 
> crazy, huh?:-)"
> He stated that here: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754
> 
> ***
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread Carol


I like swimming underwater and have put on my wish listgills. ;D



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> Ha ha ha.I take a lot of long daily dog walks myself - and the dog needs 
> these as well. Â It's the time it all takes that I need to address. Â And 
> swimming works wonders for me as well - lots of breathing. Â 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > From: Carol 
> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:20 AM
> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
> >who brought it up - to Jim
> > 
> >
> >Â  
> >Is it that one can get there faster through meditation...or is it meditation 
> >is more easily accessible than to going backpacking? 
> >
> >When I walk dogs, I enter a similar state. So maybe I prefer a walking 
> >meditation.
> >
> >**
> >
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, I get to this state of mind backpacking as well, and at the beach, 
> >> and this summer, while camping and hiking in Utah. ÃÂ Once I get there, 
> >> which takes several days sometimes (faster backpacking), it stays with me 
> >> during the trip. ÃÂ I always try to bring the state back to my real life, 
> >> but I can never maintain it long - within hours or a day or two, it's 
> >> gone. ÃÂ Meditation gets you there faster, no?ÃÂ 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >
> >> > From: Carol 
> >> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> >> >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:38 AM
> >> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the 
> >> >people who brought it up - to Jim
> >> > 
> >> >
> >> >ÃÂ  
> >> >Jim stated: "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as 
> >> >always being grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is 
> >> >established in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" 
> >> >everything else. The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, 
> >> >destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)"
> >> >
> >> >Actually it sounds pretty nice. And it reminds me of my state of 
> >> >mind/body when I backpack. One of my goals when I backpack is to bring 
> >> >that state packing back with me when I have to re-enter the modern world. 
> >> >
> >> >One of my mindfulness mentors has encouraged me to "touch the silence" 
> >> >daily. 
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
> >> >> grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is 
> >> >> established in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" 
> >> >> everything else. The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, 
> >> >> destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)
> >> >> 
> >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Jim...are you serious when you say you are enlightened?  When I've 
> >> >> > read a poster on FFL claim enlightenment, I've always taken it as a 
> >> >> > sarcasm.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Do certain people on FFL believe they have reached enlightenment?
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > ***
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > LOL - Gotcha!! ...and I told you I had a naughty side, but you just 
> >> >> > > don't listen, do ya?...Let's try it again -- HEY BARRY, I AM 
> >> >> > > ENLIGHTENED, AND DON'T YOU **EVER** FORGET IT!!!:-)
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
> >> >> > > > > you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
> >> >> > > > > I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
> >> >> > > > > **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
> >> >> > > > 
> >> >> > > > I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
> >> >> > > > it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
> >> >> > > > this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
> >> >> > > > that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
> >> >> > > > convince those people that the moon was made of green
> >> >> > > > cheese. :-)
> >> >> > > > 
> >> >> > > > And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
> >> >> > > > about Jim's "enlightened" status, and who believes it,
> >> >> > > > to chime in and agree with me. 
> >> >> > > > 
> >> >> > > > Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
> >> >> > > > and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
> >> >> > > > you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)
> >> >> > > > 
> >> >> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Share Long

Carol me and many of my long term TM friends could care less if we're 
enlightened.  But I want to respond to your exchange with Emily about 
backpacking, walking the dog, etc.

I remember the first time I meditated in March 1975 I thought, oh, I've had 
this 
before.  It was very familiar to me.  From sometimes getting in the zone
 when I played sports.  Sometimes snoozing in the hammock in the backyard
 after work.  Sometimes from dancing to my favorite music.  Body surfing!  
Sometimes from
 marijuana.  And I definitely wanted that relaxed but alive experience 
in a natural way.  I think that's what I get with TM.  

I really like 
Maharishi's analogy for this:  meditating is like dipping a cloth in the dye 
where the cloth is your nervous system and the dye is Being or pure 
consciousness or what Doc calls Silence.  Then engaging in daily 
activity is like putting the cloth in the sun.  The color fades, but not 
completely.  What color is left after fading in the sun, that color is 
permanent.  Then dip in dye again, then fade again, over and over until 
one day the color is totally permanent.  Being or Silence is permanently 
experienced along with all other states.  Maharishi calls it restful 
alertness and for me that phrase captures its quality of being both settled and 
potentially full of activity.   

I'd say practicing TM makes the whole process not necessarily faster but more 
reliable.  




 From: Carol 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:45 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 

And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
"Enlightenment?"

Thanks!

PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment: 
"It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being grounded 
in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in Silenc 
within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The Silence 
within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, 
huh?:-)"
He stated that here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

***

[FairfieldLife] The uncensored Jesus

2013-01-27 Thread salyavin808


This is certainly eye opening, the kid had quite a talent:
Written in the early second century, around the same time most scholars
date the four Gospels in the Bible, the Infancy Gospel of Thomas picks
up the story a few years after the dragon taming. Back in Nazareth now,
five-year-old Jesus was playing beside a small brook with some other
children, forming pools of water to make clay. (Fun had yet to be
invented.) Jesus formed some sparrows out of the clay and, since he was
not the figurine-collecting type, decided to give the sculptures life,
and off they flew on his command. One of the children playing with Jesus
saw this and, rather than thinking, "Holy shit! That kid can create life
with a word -- I should probably not walk up behind him and start
splashing his pools with a stick," instead walked up behind him and
started splashing his pools with a stick. And Christ just goes apeshit:

"O evil, ungodly, and foolish one, what hurt did the pools and the
waters do thee? Behold, now also thou shalt be withered like a tree, and
shalt not bear leaves, neither root, nor fruit." And straightway that
lad withered up wholly.
-- Infancy Gospel of Thomas 3:2-3


Read more:
http://www.cracked.com/article_18948_5-real-deleted-bible-scenes-in-whic\
h-jesus-kicks-some-ass.html#ixzz2JCs2G2AD

[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie

2013-01-27 Thread merudanda

Hiroshige's oeuvre was Van Gogh's main reference to the extent
that all the scenes and landscapes painted by Van Gogh from 1887 onward
are direct or indirect references to Hiroshige's art.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WETfTMWDgic


I am sure you are aware  that this first exhibition of Hiroshige and van
Gogh in Paris, two exhibitions displayed simultaneously in both spaces
of the Pinacothèque de Paris, was made possible thanks to the
important work carried out by the exhibition curator Prof. Dr. M.F.M.
(Matthi) Forrer , an eminent specialist of Hiroshige's art and
curator in the Leiden museum and extraordinary professor  at Leiden
University Institute for Area Studies (LIAS)( BTW Vincent van Gogh's
grandfather received his degree of theology at the University of Leiden
in 1811).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZbDL44O1yw


 
[http://www.neurope.eu/sites/default/files/imagecache/maing_image_detail\
/NE16-17_NE16-17-2_4.jpg] Enjoy this tribute to Hiroshige by
DigitalMillennium·
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K677NHsBDxE

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Just to riff on this further, since you mentioned Van
> Gogh, one of the most fascinating juxtapositions in
> the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam is a room in which
> a couple of paintings created by Van Gogh when he was
> an art student are displayed side by side with the
> examples he was supposed to be *copying* for the
> scholastic exercise.
>
> The two examples were both Japanese woodcuts, new
> to Europe at the time, because Japan had been so
> isolated for so long. Both of the orginals were beautiful
> in their simplicity and in their composition. Van Gogh's
> task in school had been to copy them.
>
> His paintings on one level look like crude, barely-
> competent attempts to duplicate what the originals
> were. His boundaries are smeared, his use of colors
> deviate from the originals, and on one level his
> copies look remarkably like what they were -- the
> attempts by a beginning art student to copy something
> he was incapable of copying.
>
> On another level, already -- at that age -- they were
> also undeniably "Van Goghs." He couldn't bring himself
> to copy them as they were; he had to do it "his way."
>
> This may present the juxtaposition of the value of
> training and its relationship with the development
> of one's own vision as an artist.
>
>
>
>
>
>
[http://www.antiquesandfineart.com/articles/media/images/00601-00700/006\
\
> 62/fig1.jpg]
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
> >
> > I know, a little "Man Bites Dog" headline, huh?  But since you are
> here anyway
> >
> > I was lying to some little kids again.  I mean not lying, lying but
> tossing some bullshit that all of a sudden I began to smell.  I was in
a
> Title One school (poorest kids in their county) teaching them to write
a
> blues song to help them understand the difference between character
> traits and feelings, which for a first grader is at the top of their
> cognitive limits.  (Feelings change in the story, but character traits
> persist to define how a character will behave in the story. Hopefully
> character traits can also change through education, or we are all
kinda
> screwed, but you see the simple difference right?)
> >
> > I was drawing a picture web of ideas using characters from their
story
> about a fox and a mouse and was drawing a really, really shitty fox. 
I
> mean worse than cave man on cave wall shitty. (No offense to our
> ancestors meant some of them drew better than I did.)  I told the kids
> that as a musician I tend to pay more attention to my ears so I
practice
> music but not drawing.  All this is sort of true, but what was a
> stinking lie was the implication that somehow this preference defined
my
> character trait as a musician guy who can't draw.  It sent me into
> introspection on my long drive home.
> >
> > WTF?  Why was I shitty at drawing and was it really based on my
> sensory preference?  Or was it something that had just been overlooked
> in my education, cast aside as something adults don't need to know how
> to do? What other area of knowledge is it acceptable for adults to
> perform at a first grade level? (Oh sorry that is a two digit number
and
> I don't do math that high!)
> >
> > As I reflected on my art classes I remember being taught how to use
> certain mediums, but never having anyone show me how to draw.  It
seemed
> to be accepted that some kids were "talented" (I am beginning to hate
> that word as a total cop-out in art.) and they could do this magical
> thing called drawing.  And then there was me, a special Ed artist to
> this day.  Was this just a limit I needed to accept, or had my
> educational system failed me?
> >
> > I needed to know, so I went to the library and took out a big stack
of
> how-to-draw books including one on d

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > 
> > It simply wouldn't have been a big blip on my radar screen.
> > Just more silly TMO blah-blah-blah, tune it out. Vedaland
> > was a ridiculous notion to start with even when Henning
> > was still in full cry.
> 
> What, Judy the great champion of truth and persecutor of
> the dishonest wouldn't have made as much as a squeak if
> someone from her so-called spiritual group tried to relieve
> her of her life savings?

Not when she was on a rounding course, no (not least because
she didn't have any life savings to be relieved of, as I've
already noted).

> Hah! I find that rather hard to
> believe. But then I was there and saw it.
> 
> Besides, it wasn't about whether the blah-blah was going 
> to happen, it's about dishonest fundraising.

Right. My point was that I would have paid too little
attention to the blah-blah-blah even to notice that it
was dishonest.

 Of course
> it was ridiculous but that didn't stop them having
> a go at raising millions for it regardless of whether
> it was likely or not.
> 
> > > > Not a thing wrong, as far as I'm concerned, with
> > > > salyavin having brought up the fundraising on that
> > > > course, or with the three of you griping about it.
> > > > 
> > > > But you all seem to be even more outraged that the
> > > > TMers haven't all chimed in and denounced the TMO
> > > > than you've been over the original offense.
> > > 
> > > I think you are dreaming here, as I've said most people
> > > kept quite and kept their heads down to save getting in 
> > > trouble, like having a "negative" opinion is a bad thing.
> > 
> > Well, but isn't this one of the things you've been
> > outraged about?
> 
> On the course, yes. Here, no.

OK, I guess that's just Barry, then. And as I suggested,
his outrage is more a matter of grabbing yet another
opportunity to dump on his critics here.

> > > > Could it possibly be that some of the CPs on that
> > > > course were enjoying it and simply didn't *want* to
> > > > spoil their experience by getting into an outraged
> > > > frame of mind at that point, TMO or no TMO?
> > > 
> > > Is that how people work? I don't think so, people would
> > > complain about the food or the heating in the flying room
> > > as loudly as they could.
> > 
> > Yeah, but those things are relatively trivial, not some
> > kind of major betrayal. Bitching and moaning is one
> > thing, outrage is quite another.
> 
> Given the scale of the difference I would say it makes
> less sense not to complain about the vedascam unless
> we invoke some sort of fear about rocking the boat.

I still think that for *some* people, at least, it could
have been about not wanting to get themselves all riled
up about the perfidy of the TMO while they were rounding.

> Which, if you cast your mind back, I was told by teachers
> on the course not to do. They all knew I was right but
> couldn't bring themselves to admit it for whatever cult-
> ish reason.
> 
> It's a thing in the TMO that Marshy is always right, and
> that the movement can do no wrong because we act from the 
> home of all the laws of nature. Beliefs like that can create
> a lot of anxiety when something like this crops up all blatant
> and in your face and contradicts the higher being you are 
> striving for.

No doubt for some; I wouldn't deny that. It's the
generalizations about TMers I'm pushing back against.
Not all of them by any means are TBs in the sense of
fanatical devotion to MMY and the TMO.




> > > > Salyavin, to your knowledge, did anybody commit
> > > > themselves to donate *during that course*?
> > > 
> > > No idea, but most of us were there for ages and if Doug
> > > Henning hadn't inconsiderately gone and died a week or so
> > > after the pitch maybe they would have.
> > 
> > OK. But you get the more general point I was making
> > about decisions on rounding courses, right?
> > 
> > Your experience does sound to me like an extremely
> > unfortunate aberration, at least based on my own
> > experience of rounding courses. And even if the pitch
> > hadn't been made on a rounding course, if they really
> > did know the Vedaland project was down the toilet, it
> > would have been grossly dishonest.
> 
> Oh, they knew alright. That's the most sickening thing to
> me, they way Mr smarm ducked the question about how Doug
> was at the time, knowing he was on his death bed but showing
> a movie about his life and telling us what a great guy he was.
> It was cynicism of a very high order. 
> 
> So I shall continue to be outraged on behalf of everyone
> on the course who had their evening ruined, and potentially
> their bank account emptied by a slick, bullshitting, money 
> grabbing cocksucker from the age of enlightenment.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread Emily Reyn

Ha ha ha.I take a lot of long daily dog walks myself - and the dog needs 
these as well.  It's the time it all takes that I need to address.  And 
swimming works wonders for me as well - lots of breathing.  



>
> From: Carol 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:20 AM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
>who brought it up - to Jim
> 
>
>  
>Is it that one can get there faster through meditation...or is it meditation 
>is more easily accessible than to going backpacking? 
>
>When I walk dogs, I enter a similar state. So maybe I prefer a walking 
>meditation.
>
>**
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I get to this state of mind backpacking as well, and at the beach, and 
>> this summer, while camping and hiking in Utah. Â Once I get there, which 
>> takes several days sometimes (faster backpacking), it stays with me during 
>> the trip. Â I always try to bring the state back to my real life, but I can 
>> never maintain it long - within hours or a day or two, it's gone. Â 
>> Meditation gets you there faster, no?Â 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> > From: Carol 
>> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>> >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:38 AM
>> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the 
>> >people who brought it up - to Jim
>> > 
>> >
>> >Â  
>> >Jim stated: "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always 
>> >being grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is 
>> >established in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" 
>> >everything else. The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, 
>> >destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)"
>> >
>> >Actually it sounds pretty nice. And it reminds me of my state of mind/body 
>> >when I backpack. One of my goals when I backpack is to bring that state 
>> >packing back with me when I have to re-enter the modern world. 
>> >
>> >One of my mindfulness mentors has encouraged me to "touch the silence" 
>> >daily. 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
>> >> grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established 
>> >> in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. 
>> >> The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or 
>> >> disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)
>> >> 
>> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Jim...are you serious when you say you are enlightened?  When I've read 
>> >> > a poster on FFL claim enlightenment, I've always taken it as a sarcasm.
>> >> > 
>> >> > Do certain people on FFL believe they have reached enlightenment?
>> >> > 
>> >> > ***
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > LOL - Gotcha!! ...and I told you I had a naughty side, but you just 
>> >> > > don't listen, do ya?...Let's try it again -- HEY BARRY, I AM 
>> >> > > ENLIGHTENED, AND DON'T YOU **EVER** FORGET IT!!!:-)
>> >> > > 
>> >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
>> >> > > > > you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
>> >> > > > > I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
>> >> > > > > **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
>> >> > > > 
>> >> > > > I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
>> >> > > > it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
>> >> > > > this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
>> >> > > > that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
>> >> > > > convince those people that the moon was made of green
>> >> > > > cheese. :-)
>> >> > > > 
>> >> > > > And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
>> >> > > > about Jim's "enlightened" status, and who believes it,
>> >> > > > to chime in and agree with me. 
>> >> > > > 
>> >> > > > Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
>> >> > > > and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
>> >> > > > you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)
>> >> > > > 
>> >> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
>> >> > > > > > > > your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
>> >> > > > > > > > adoration and drama it deserves! 
>> >> > > > > > > > 
>> >> > > > > > > > Damn, were

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

Salyavin stated: "So I shall continue to be outraged on behalf of everyone on 
the course who had their evening ruined, and potentially their bank account 
emptied by a slick, bullshitting, money 
 grabbing cocksucker from the age of enlightenment."

I'm trying to recall Sal, if you are the one that criticized me for posting 
here about Knapp...stating I had grudge or something like that? (I'm not saying 
that you have a grudge...but what is the difference in my being angry regarding 
Knapp's misuse and ab-use of people and their money and your anger regarding 
the hypocrisy of the TMO?)

Knapp isn't the TMO...but there are quite a few folks who deem Knapp's CHSCA 
actions in a similar light which you have posted here regarding the TMO. Except 
Knapp's wanna-be dream could have been called the "age of healing while just 
being human."

And maybe you aren't the one that criticized me. I can't recall if it was you 
or Feste. 

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > > 
> > 
> > It simply wouldn't have been a big blip on my radar screen.
> > Just more silly TMO blah-blah-blah, tune it out. Vedaland
> > was a ridiculous notion to start with even when Henning
> > was still in full cry.
> 
> 
> What, Judy the great champion of truth and persecutor of
> the dishonest wouldn't have made as much as a squeak if
> someone from her so-called spiritual group tried to relieve
> her of her life savings? Hah! I find that rather hard to
> believe. But then I was there and saw it.
> 
> Besides, it wasn't about whether the blah-blah was going 
> to happen, it's about dishonest fundraising. Of course
> it was ridiculous but that didn't stop them having
> a go at raising millions for it regardless of whether
> it was likely or not.
> 
> 
> 
> > > > Not a thing wrong, as far as I'm concerned, with
> > > > salyavin having brought up the fundraising on that
> > > > course, or with the three of you griping about it.
> > > > 
> > > > But you all seem to be even more outraged that the
> > > > TMers haven't all chimed in and denounced the TMO
> > > > than you've been over the original offense.
> > > 
> > > I think you are dreaming here, as I've said most people
> > > kept quite and kept their heads down to save getting in 
> > > trouble, like having a "negative" opinion is a bad thing.
> > 
> > Well, but isn't this one of the things you've been
> > outraged about?
> 
> On the course, yes. Here, no. 
> 
>  
> > > > Could it possibly be that some of the CPs on that
> > > > course were enjoying it and simply didn't *want* to
> > > > spoil their experience by getting into an outraged
> > > > frame of mind at that point, TMO or no TMO?
> > > 
> > > Is that how people work? I don't think so, people would
> > > complain about the food or the heating in the flying room
> > > as loudly as they could.
> > 
> > Yeah, but those things are relatively trivial, not some
> > kind of major betrayal. Bitching and moaning is one
> > thing, outrage is quite another.
> 
> Given the scale of the difference I would say it makes
> less sense not to complain about the vedascam unless
> we invoke some sort of fear about rocking the boat.
> Which, if you cast your mind back, I was told by teachers
> on the course not to do. They all knew I was right but
> couldn't bring themselves to admit it for whatever cult-
> ish reason.
> 
> It's a thing in the TMO that Marshy is always right, and
> that the movement can do no wrong because we act from the 
> home of all the laws of nature. Beliefs like that can create
> a lot of anxiety when something like this crops up all blatant
> and in your face and contradicts the higher being you are 
> striving for.
> 
>  
> 
> > > > Salyavin, to your knowledge, did anybody commit
> > > > themselves to donate *during that course*?
> > > 
> > > No idea, but most of us were there for ages and if Doug
> > > Henning hadn't inconsiderately gone and died a week or so
> > > after the pitch maybe they would have.
> > 
> > OK. But you get the more general point I was making
> > about decisions on rounding courses, right?
> > 
> > Your experience does sound to me like an extremely
> > unfortunate aberration, at least based on my own
> > experience of rounding courses. And even if the pitch
> > hadn't been made on a rounding course, if they really
> > did know the Vedaland project was down the toilet, it
> > would have been grossly dishonest.
> 
> Oh, they knew alright. That's the most sickening thing to
> me, they way Mr smarm ducked the question about how Doug
> was at the time, knowing he was on his death bed but showing
> a movie about his life and telling us what a great guy he was.
> It was cynicism of a very high order. 
> 
> So I shall continue to be outraged on behalf of everyone
> on the course who had their evening ruined, and potentially
> their bank acco

[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie

2013-01-27 Thread curtisdeltablues

Hey Buck,

I thought you could appreciate his dedication to depicting the working 
Mid-Western farmer in his daily toil.  He was drawn to the honest laborer,loved 
the Mid West, and felt this class of person was not getting a fair shake in the 
capitalist system, even though they were doing the heavy lifting (literally as 
well as figuratively) for the country.   He was commissioned to document the 
lives of people in the dust bowl and depict their suffering. That is what lead 
to him embracing Communism, which right after the depression was not an 
unreasonable dream.  But like many utopian dreams, it too didn't quite pan out 
as hoped, and he abandoned that view later.  It still haunted him having BEEN a 
commie during the shameful Mccarthy era and caused his family much economic 
suffering.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Steve, thanks for the reply. I agree that FFL is a great place to
> > be inspired to write daily. I used it that way for years.
> > >
> > > Your story about the ill fated trip to the museum as a sketch expert
> > has a funny connection for me. My late uncle (not by blood
> > unfortunately) was Joe Jones who is a pretty famous St. Louis painter,
> > and whose biggest collection of work hangs there. He was like Woody
> > Guthrie as a painter in the 30's and was famous for exposing the dark
> > underbelly of oppressed people. He made some big waves with this
> > painting titled "American Justice"
> > >
> > >
> > http://artandsocialissues.cmaohio.org/web-content/images/Jones_Am-Justic\
> > e_pg.jpg
> > >
> > > Here is a short documentary on his art.
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBvCEdBewo8
> > >
> 
> I'm a fan.
> -Buck
> 
> 
> > > I may have to make a trip out there to see his work in the museum. He
> > has some stuff in the DC National museums but they are in rotation and
> > very limited. People where more interested in his socially conscious
> > stuff and not as interested in his more abstract work as he evolved as a
> > painter. I have some of his stuff on my walls including a beautiful one
> > of the ocean at Mantoloking NJ done for my parents. He had been a
> > communist in the 30's and this caused him lots of trouble, both when he
> > took up the cause and when he dropped out of it.
> > >
> > > One of my few memories of being age 5 is a weird scene the year before
> > he died at age 54. We were at the beach together at my Grandfather's
> > place in Mantoloking NJ (tip of the hat to Alex). He was trying to
> > convince me that he really was my uncle and I was having none of it. It
> > really upset him that I thought he was putting me on since I had not
> > spent time with him. I guess that is why it stuck in my young mind
> > because he went to get my father to get me to accept him as a relative.
> > I suspect any meeting with some God after death will go the same way!
> > 
> > 
> > Curtis, that is so cool. I just watched the documentary. This will give
> > me some excuse to visit the Art Museum.
> > 
> > To have rubbed shoulders with an artist as a young child, and an artist
> > of this caliber seems pretty remarkable.
> > 
> > I guess I put artists on a pedestal.
> > 
> > The family was in Snowmass CO. over Christmas, which is just down the
> > road from Aspen.  One evening, we walked through town as we like to do,
> > and stopped in some fancy art galleries.  The art there was just
> > fantastic.  And I'm not talking about weird stuff.  But rather these
> > abstractions that you refer to.  And not outlandish abstactions, but
> > rather, projecting something just out of the ordinary in a remarkably
> > alluring way.
> > 
> > I mean, people may view Aspen as a place with a lot of pretention, but I
> > will say that the art we saw that evening was remarkable.
> > 
> > And some of the clientele we saw were also quite remarkable.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread dhamiltony2k5

I really feel that if we could just sit to meditate together then you'd come to 
understand the truly larger Good you rile against.  You guys just need to come 
back, get your meditation checked, sit in a group meditation, listen to an 
advanced lecture again and then you'd see what mischief in nature you are doing 
mucking and raking all this negativity of yours.
I live in my skin, the blanket of FFL. You guys and ladies, are my warmth.
Obba, get off my blanket,
-Buck

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> "The unbounded faith which conservative Meditators have in their own 
> principles, and the way they regard the principles and practices of other 
> techniques, approach intolerance on their part.  They believe they are guided 
> to their convictions by the Spirit of Truth, and they really think they have 
> arrived at absolutely correct conclusions, and that any other opinions are 
> wrong.  They think that all who differ from them would agree with them if 
> they had sufficient light."
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Why on earth would anyone make up something like that? 
> > > There are far too many stories that abound about unethical 
> > > behavior on the part of the TMO for people to have to 
> > > make any up.
> > 
> > According to Nabby, anyone who says such things is on
> > the payroll of the CIA, or the Dalai Lama. I don't know
> > about you, but if this is true, my payroll checks have
> > been lost in the mail.  :-)
> > 
> > More seriously, there are a number of people here whose
> > world view is so precarious that they believe that anyone
> > who says anything that threatens that world view is
> > attacking them. They're terrified of allowing the (in
> > their view) heretical ideas into their awareness, so 
> > they either retreat into nostalgic ideas of the move-
> > ment and ignore them, or play "Kill the messenger" and
> > try to suppress them.
> > 
> > I think it's sad, and if this mindset is the legacy of
> > the decades they've spent meditating, an even sadder one.
> > 
> > > 
> > >  From: nablusoss1008 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:42 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the 
> > > people who brought it up
> > >  
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I can honestly say I went on a lot of residence courses, and was 
> > > > > never asked to donate money, or purchase *anything*. Wasn't a perfect 
> > > > > experience, but this rapaciousness you attribute to the reps of the 
> > > > > TMO was just never present whenever I interacted with them. Not once, 
> > > > > during major national courses, residence courses, or working for the 
> > > > > TMO on staff, was I ever asked for donations, or to get the next big 
> > > > > thing. This is some tape loop in your head, that does not match 
> > > > > reality. And you know what they say, where there's smoke, there's 
> > > > > fire...:-)
> > > > 
> > > > Ah, so we imagined it all. Fascinating evasion.
> > > 
> > > I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during 
> > > decades in the TMO.
> > > So far we only have your version of this.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

Is it that one can get there faster through meditation...or is it meditation is 
more easily accessible than to going backpacking? 

When I walk dogs, I enter a similar state. So maybe I prefer a walking 
meditation.

**



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> Yes, I get to this state of mind backpacking as well, and at the beach, and 
> this summer, while camping and hiking in Utah. Â Once I get there, which 
> takes several days sometimes (faster backpacking), it stays with me during 
> the trip. Â I always try to bring the state back to my real life, but I can 
> never maintain it long - within hours or a day or two, it's gone. Â 
> Meditation gets you there faster, no?Â 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > From: Carol 
> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:38 AM
> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
> >who brought it up - to Jim
> > 
> >
> >Â  
> >Jim stated: "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always 
> >being grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is 
> >established in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" 
> >everything else. The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, 
> >destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, huh?:-)"
> >
> >Actually it sounds pretty nice. And it reminds me of my state of mind/body 
> >when I backpack. One of my goals when I backpack is to bring that state 
> >packing back with me when I have to re-enter the modern world. 
> >
> >One of my mindfulness mentors has encouraged me to "touch the silence" 
> >daily. 
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >>
> >> It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
> >> grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established 
> >> in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. 
> >> The Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. 
> >> Sounds crazy, huh?:-)
> >> 
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Jim...are you serious when you say you are enlightened?  When I've read 
> >> > a poster on FFL claim enlightenment, I've always taken it as a sarcasm.
> >> > 
> >> > Do certain people on FFL believe they have reached enlightenment?
> >> > 
> >> > ***
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > LOL - Gotcha!! ...and I told you I had a naughty side, but you just 
> >> > > don't listen, do ya?...Let's try it again -- HEY BARRY, I AM 
> >> > > ENLIGHTENED, AND DON'T YOU **EVER** FORGET IT!!!:-)
> >> > > 
> >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
> >> > > > > you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
> >> > > > > I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
> >> > > > > **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
> >> > > > it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
> >> > > > this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
> >> > > > that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
> >> > > > convince those people that the moon was made of green
> >> > > > cheese. :-)
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
> >> > > > about Jim's "enlightened" status, and who believes it,
> >> > > > to chime in and agree with me. 
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
> >> > > > and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
> >> > > > you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
> >> > > > > > > > your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
> >> > > > > > > > adoration and drama it deserves! 
> >> > > > > > > > 
> >> > > > > > > > Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
> >> > > > > > > > add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
> >> > > > > > > > rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
> >> > > > > > > > going on the list TOO!
> >> > > > > > > > 
> >> > > > > > > > Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
> >> > > > > > > > of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
> >> > > > > > > > 
> >> > > > > > > > I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
> >> > > > > > > > plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread salyavin808

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > 
> 
> It simply wouldn't have been a big blip on my radar screen.
> Just more silly TMO blah-blah-blah, tune it out. Vedaland
> was a ridiculous notion to start with even when Henning
> was still in full cry.

What, Judy the great champion of truth and persecutor of
the dishonest wouldn't have made as much as a squeak if
someone from her so-called spiritual group tried to relieve
her of her life savings? Hah! I find that rather hard to
believe. But then I was there and saw it.

Besides, it wasn't about whether the blah-blah was going 
to happen, it's about dishonest fundraising. Of course
it was ridiculous but that didn't stop them having
a go at raising millions for it regardless of whether
it was likely or not.

> > > Not a thing wrong, as far as I'm concerned, with
> > > salyavin having brought up the fundraising on that
> > > course, or with the three of you griping about it.
> > > 
> > > But you all seem to be even more outraged that the
> > > TMers haven't all chimed in and denounced the TMO
> > > than you've been over the original offense.
> > 
> > I think you are dreaming here, as I've said most people
> > kept quite and kept their heads down to save getting in 
> > trouble, like having a "negative" opinion is a bad thing.
> 
> Well, but isn't this one of the things you've been
> outraged about?

On the course, yes. Here, no. 

> > > Could it possibly be that some of the CPs on that
> > > course were enjoying it and simply didn't *want* to
> > > spoil their experience by getting into an outraged
> > > frame of mind at that point, TMO or no TMO?
> > 
> > Is that how people work? I don't think so, people would
> > complain about the food or the heating in the flying room
> > as loudly as they could.
> 
> Yeah, but those things are relatively trivial, not some
> kind of major betrayal. Bitching and moaning is one
> thing, outrage is quite another.

Given the scale of the difference I would say it makes
less sense not to complain about the vedascam unless
we invoke some sort of fear about rocking the boat.
Which, if you cast your mind back, I was told by teachers
on the course not to do. They all knew I was right but
couldn't bring themselves to admit it for whatever cult-
ish reason.

It's a thing in the TMO that Marshy is always right, and
that the movement can do no wrong because we act from the 
home of all the laws of nature. Beliefs like that can create
a lot of anxiety when something like this crops up all blatant
and in your face and contradicts the higher being you are 
striving for.

> > > Salyavin, to your knowledge, did anybody commit
> > > themselves to donate *during that course*?
> > 
> > No idea, but most of us were there for ages and if Doug
> > Henning hadn't inconsiderately gone and died a week or so
> > after the pitch maybe they would have.
> 
> OK. But you get the more general point I was making
> about decisions on rounding courses, right?
> 
> Your experience does sound to me like an extremely
> unfortunate aberration, at least based on my own
> experience of rounding courses. And even if the pitch
> hadn't been made on a rounding course, if they really
> did know the Vedaland project was down the toilet, it
> would have been grossly dishonest.

Oh, they knew alright. That's the most sickening thing to
me, they way Mr smarm ducked the question about how Doug
was at the time, knowing he was on his death bed but showing
a movie about his life and telling us what a great guy he was.
It was cynicism of a very high order. 

So I shall continue to be outraged on behalf of everyone
on the course who had their evening ruined, and potentially
their bank account emptied by a slick, bullshitting, money 
grabbing cocksucker from the age of enlightenment.

[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie

2013-01-27 Thread Buck



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote:
> >
> > Hey Steve, thanks for the reply. I agree that FFL is a great place to
> be inspired to write daily. I used it that way for years.
> >
> > Your story about the ill fated trip to the museum as a sketch expert
> has a funny connection for me. My late uncle (not by blood
> unfortunately) was Joe Jones who is a pretty famous St. Louis painter,
> and whose biggest collection of work hangs there. He was like Woody
> Guthrie as a painter in the 30's and was famous for exposing the dark
> underbelly of oppressed people. He made some big waves with this
> painting titled "American Justice"
> >
> >
> http://artandsocialissues.cmaohio.org/web-content/images/Jones_Am-Justic\
> e_pg.jpg
> >
> > Here is a short documentary on his art.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBvCEdBewo8
> >

I'm a fan.
-Buck


> > I may have to make a trip out there to see his work in the museum. He
> has some stuff in the DC National museums but they are in rotation and
> very limited. People where more interested in his socially conscious
> stuff and not as interested in his more abstract work as he evolved as a
> painter. I have some of his stuff on my walls including a beautiful one
> of the ocean at Mantoloking NJ done for my parents. He had been a
> communist in the 30's and this caused him lots of trouble, both when he
> took up the cause and when he dropped out of it.
> >
> > One of my few memories of being age 5 is a weird scene the year before
> he died at age 54. We were at the beach together at my Grandfather's
> place in Mantoloking NJ (tip of the hat to Alex). He was trying to
> convince me that he really was my uncle and I was having none of it. It
> really upset him that I thought he was putting me on since I had not
> spent time with him. I guess that is why it stuck in my young mind
> because he went to get my father to get me to accept him as a relative.
> I suspect any meeting with some God after death will go the same way!
> 
> 
> Curtis, that is so cool. I just watched the documentary. This will give
> me some excuse to visit the Art Museum.
> 
> To have rubbed shoulders with an artist as a young child, and an artist
> of this caliber seems pretty remarkable.
> 
> I guess I put artists on a pedestal.
> 
> The family was in Snowmass CO. over Christmas, which is just down the
> road from Aspen.  One evening, we walked through town as we like to do,
> and stopped in some fancy art galleries.  The art there was just
> fantastic.  And I'm not talking about weird stuff.  But rather these
> abstractions that you refer to.  And not outlandish abstactions, but
> rather, projecting something just out of the ordinary in a remarkably
> alluring way.
> 
> I mean, people may view Aspen as a place with a lot of pretention, but I
> will say that the art we saw that evening was remarkable.
> 
> And some of the clientele we saw were also quite remarkable.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread Emily Reyn

Yes, I get to this state of mind backpacking as well, and at the beach, and 
this summer, while camping and hiking in Utah.  Once I get there, which takes 
several days sometimes (faster backpacking), it stays with me during the trip.  
I always try to bring the state back to my real life, but I can never maintain 
it long - within hours or a day or two, it's gone.  Meditation gets you there 
faster, no? 



>
> From: Carol 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:38 AM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
>who brought it up - to Jim
> 
>
>  
>Jim stated: "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always 
>being grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established 
>in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The 
>Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds 
>crazy, huh?:-)"
>
>Actually it sounds pretty nice. And it reminds me of my state of mind/body 
>when I backpack. One of my goals when I backpack is to bring that state 
>packing back with me when I have to re-enter the modern world. 
>
>One of my mindfulness mentors has encouraged me to "touch the silence" daily. 
>
>
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>>
>> It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
>> grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
>> Silence within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The 
>> Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. 
>> Sounds crazy, huh?:-)
>> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>> >
>> > Jim...are you serious when you say you are enlightened?  When I've read a 
>> > poster on FFL claim enlightenment, I've always taken it as a sarcasm.
>> > 
>> > Do certain people on FFL believe they have reached enlightenment?
>> > 
>> > ***
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > LOL - Gotcha!! ...and I told you I had a naughty side, but you just 
>> > > don't listen, do ya?...Let's try it again -- HEY BARRY, I AM 
>> > > ENLIGHTENED, AND DON'T YOU **EVER** FORGET IT!!!:-)
>> > > 
>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
>> > > > > you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
>> > > > > I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
>> > > > > **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
>> > > > 
>> > > > I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
>> > > > it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
>> > > > this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
>> > > > that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
>> > > > convince those people that the moon was made of green
>> > > > cheese. :-)
>> > > > 
>> > > > And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
>> > > > about Jim's "enlightened" status, and who believes it,
>> > > > to chime in and agree with me. 
>> > > > 
>> > > > Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
>> > > > and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
>> > > > you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)
>> > > > 
>> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
>> > > > > > > > your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
>> > > > > > > > adoration and drama it deserves! 
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
>> > > > > > > > add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
>> > > > > > > > rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
>> > > > > > > > going on the list TOO!
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
>> > > > > > > > of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
>> > > > > > > > plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
>> > > > > > > > at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
>> > > > > > > > pales in comparison!
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
>> > > > > > > > BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?! 
>> > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > And almost completely unaware of it. All while
>> > > > > > considering himself enlightened. 
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 

And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
"Enlightenment?"

Thanks!

PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment: 
"It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being grounded 
in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in Silenc 
within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The Silence 
within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, 
huh?:-)"
He stated that here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

***

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> That was her take on the issue, not mine

Excuse me, Michael, but what I was explaining to Curtis was
very clearly one part of what you describe as your take on
the issue:

> - the original deal was the story of Vedaland being pitched
> to CPs after weeks of rounding

Curtis hadn't realized it had to do with pitching on
rounding courses specifically.

This was the *other* part, which Curtis wasn't referring to,
so I didn't go into it:

> and the deceit onthe part of the PR guy when asked what was Henning doing at 
> that moment (when the PR guy apparently knew he was dying) - but it brought 
> up for me a multitude of unethical behavior on the part of TMO - this was for 
> me an anecdote that removed possibly my last remaining good feeling toward 
> the TMO -

Again, this is the part I was addressing with Curtis:

> I had thought the one area where they behaved with integrity was safeguarding 
> the mental/emotional stability if you will of the CPs by having only truly 
> residence course related material presented to them, thereby showing they 
> really were most interested in the evolution of the CPs.
> 
> Your post here Curtis shows me that I was wrong. The issue also
> was raised as to how people who still love the TMO make excuses
> for their unpalatable behavior.

In connection with this specific issue, Michael--the Vedaland
pitch on the Croatia course--have you seen anyone here making
excuses for the TMO's behavior? If so, could you cite or quote
or at least paraphrase the posts?



 As far as I can see, the TMO reps have always behaved with a remarkably 
consistent unsavory flair and energy - it didn't and doesn't happen every day 
at every TM facility in the world, but the behavior is consistent and 
pervasive. And that is the most telling fact about TM and its effects. Then 
there are those like I used to be that say, "Well, so and so who has been with 
M for years and is a raja is an ass, and lots of crappy things happen in the 
Movement, but TM is still something I get the good out of." 
> 
> And since I once made my way through life for years that way, I understand 
> the point of view. However, if TM had the beneficial effects that are claimed 
> for it in the intro lectures still today, such points of view would be 
> unnecessary since the long time meditators would one and all have become 
> exemplary figures in life and society. This is obviously not the case, 
> therefore one can conclude that TM does not perform as advertised, does not 
> have the long term effects claimed for it.
> 
> And now one can wonder if the long term effects of misusing and abusing 
> people that the TMO regularly engage in is an effect of practicing TM within 
> the confines of the TMO only, or is an effect of TM practice itself. 
> 
> Having known many long term TMers who are decent people, I would have to say 
> it cannot be just TM practice itself. But if TM delivered on its advertised 
> results, the effects should lead to a purity of thought, behavior and action 
> unparalleled heretofore on earth in the organization that teaches and 
> promotes it. And that hasn't happened.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: curtisdeltablues 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:39 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
> who brought it up
>  
> 
> Â  
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during 
> > > > decades in the TMO.
> > > > So far we only have your version of this.
> > > 
> > > So you never taught 3rd night of checking which includes the
> > > sales pitch for a residence course as a mandatory part of it?
> > 
> > The issue is sales pitches *on rounding courses*, Curtis.
> > The complaint (I guess you missed it) is that you're told
> > not to make major decisions (such as purchasing what is
> > being sold) while you're rounding.
> 
> OK so only my residence course and fundraiser held on rounding courses apply. 
>  I took Nabby's word "any" to mean any.
> 
> > 
> > > Never taught a residence course which also included making
> > > a sales pitch for advance programs like the sidhis?
> > 
> > This is the only one of your questions that's relevant
> > to the issue.
> > 
> > But of course you can't *apply and be accepted for and
> > then pay for* these advanced programs on a residence
> > course. All that would have to take place after the
> > course was over. So whether a pitch for the programs
> > violates the "no decisions while rounding" recommendation
> > depends on whether that means decisions that would be
> > *implemented* while you were rounding (which is how I
> > always understood it), as opposed to decisi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread Carol

Jim stated: "It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always 
being grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established 
in Silence within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The 
Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds 
crazy, huh?:-)"

Actually it sounds pretty nice. And it reminds me of my state of mind/body when 
I backpack. One of my goals when I backpack is to bring that state packing back 
with me when I have to re-enter the modern world. 

One of my mindfulness mentors has encouraged me to "touch the silence" daily. 




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being grounded 
> in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in Silence 
> within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The Silence 
> within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, 
> huh?:-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> >
> > Jim...are you serious when you say you are enlightened?  When I've read a 
> > poster on FFL claim enlightenment, I've always taken it as a sarcasm.
> > 
> > Do certain people on FFL believe they have reached enlightenment?
> > 
> > ***
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL - Gotcha!! ...and I told you I had a naughty side, but you just don't 
> > > listen, do ya?...Let's try it again -- HEY BARRY, I AM ENLIGHTENED, AND 
> > > DON'T YOU **EVER** FORGET IT!!!:-)
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
> > > > > you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
> > > > > I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
> > > > > **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
> > > > 
> > > > I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
> > > > it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
> > > > this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
> > > > that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
> > > > convince those people that the moon was made of green
> > > > cheese. :-)
> > > > 
> > > > And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
> > > > about Jim's "enlightened" status, and who believes it,
> > > > to chime in and agree with me. 
> > > > 
> > > > Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
> > > > and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
> > > > you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)
> > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
> > > > > > > > your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
> > > > > > > > adoration and drama it deserves! 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
> > > > > > > > add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
> > > > > > > > rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
> > > > > > > > going on the list TOO!
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
> > > > > > > > of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
> > > > > > > > plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
> > > > > > > > at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
> > > > > > > > pales in comparison!
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
> > > > > > > > BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > And almost completely unaware of it. All while
> > > > > > considering himself enlightened. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
> > > > > > refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
> > > > > > their utter reliance on "Kill the messenger"
> > > > > > demonization instead?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I have to believe that the reason is that they
> > > > > > are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
> > > > > > say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
> > > > > > be perceived as "negative." They are probably
> > > > > > so superstitious that they think Bad Things
> > > > > > will happen to them if they do. :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> > Barry, Jim's enlightenment is "parve". Meaning what does 
> > it matter,whether he is, or he isn't?  
> 
> It obviously matters a great deal to him. 
> 
> > You can go either way with it.
> 
> Of course you can. But my point is the same as it's ever
> been -- why on Earth would you choose to demean the concept
> of enlightenment by assuming that someone with Jimbo's 
> posting history represents it?

Why on earth would you choose to demean the concept of
enlightenment by assuming there was any way to tell from
a person's behavior--*especially* one's posting history
on an electronic forum--whether they were or were not
enlightened?

It appears to me that Barry cares a lot more than DrD
does whether anyone thinks DrD is enlightened.

> For example, I've never, ever claimed to be enlightened,
> but he's claimed I have. That's called lying.

Or misunderstanding what you said.

 If you believe
> that Jimbo is enlightened, then you believe that the enlight-
> ened lie. 
> 
> Jimbo has also in the past ranted that the things he says
> are true by definition because he says them.

Not quite what he's said, actually.

 The reasoning
> for this, one assumes, is that the enlightened have the
> ability to discern "truth." That said, he has claimed that
> the Buddha -- someone who didn't believe in the concept
> of God -- said "God is love." Doesn't that make you go a 
> little WTF?  :-)

I can't find that post, interestingly enough.

But here's something he said about that remark (*he* seems
to think he made it):

"I said once that Buddha said 'God is love'. Again a positive
statement, and at the time I was commenting in such a way as to make
an equivalent statement about spiritual values, in the face of
dogma. In other words there are many ways God can be expressed,
whether or not God is God, or the Void, or Natural Law or the
Universe(s), or Namaste, or whatever. The point being that it was
fundamentally a positive statement about Buddha, vs. the endless
negative opinions Vaj (Steve) voices about the teacher of
Transcendental Meditation and its practice."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/136025

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Jackson

That was her take on the issue, not mine - the original deal was the story of 
Vedaland being pitched to CPs after weeks of rounding and the deceit onthe part 
of the PR guy when asked what was Henning doing at that moment (when the PR guy 
apparently knew he was dying) - but it brought up for me a multitude of 
unethical behavior on the part of TMO - this was for me an anecdote that 
removed possibly my last remaining good feeling toward the TMO - I had thought 
the one area where they behaved with integrity was safeguarding the 
mental/emotional stability if you will of the CPs by having only truly 
residence course related material presented to them, thereby showing they 
really were most interested in the evolution of the CPs.

Your post here Curtis shows me that I was wrong. The issue also was raised as 
to how people who still love the TMO make excuses for their unpalatable 
behavior. As far as I can see, the TMO reps have always behaved with a 
remarkably consistent unsavory flair and energy - it didn't and doesn't happen 
every day at every TM facility in the world, but the behavior is consistent and 
pervasive. And that is the most telling fact about TM and its effects. Then 
there are those like I used to be that say, "Well, so and so who has been with 
M for years and is a raja is an ass, and lots of crappy things happen in the 
Movement, but TM is still something I get the good out of." 

And since I once made my way through life for years that way, I understand the 
point of view. However, if TM had the beneficial effects that are claimed for 
it in the intro lectures still today, such points of view would be unnecessary 
since the long time meditators would one and all have become exemplary figures 
in life and society. This is obviously not the case, therefore one can conclude 
that TM does not perform as advertised, does not have the long term effects 
claimed for it.

And now one can wonder if the long term effects of misusing and abusing people 
that the TMO regularly engage in is an effect of practicing TM within the 
confines of the TMO only, or is an effect of TM practice itself. 

Having known many long term TMers who are decent people, I would have to say it 
cannot be just TM practice itself. But if TM delivered on its advertised 
results, the effects should lead to a purity of thought, behavior and action 
unparalleled heretofore on earth in the organization that teaches and promotes 
it. And that hasn't happened.

 From: curtisdeltablues 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:39 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
who brought it up

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > 
> > > I've never encountered any form of sales-pitch on ANY course during 
> > > decades in the TMO.
> > > So far we only have your version of this.
> > 
> > So you never taught 3rd night of checking which includes the
> > sales pitch for a residence course as a mandatory part of it?
> 
> The issue is sales pitches *on rounding courses*, Curtis.
> The complaint (I guess you missed it) is that you're told
> not to make major decisions (such as purchasing what is
> being sold) while you're rounding.

OK so only my residence course and fundraiser held on rounding courses apply.  
I took Nabby's word "any" to mean any.

> 
> > Never taught a residence course which also included making
> > a sales pitch for advance programs like the sidhis?
> 
> This is the only one of your questions that's relevant
> to the issue.
> 
> But of course you can't *apply and be accepted for and
> then pay for* these advanced programs on a residence
> course. All that would have to take place after the
> course was over. So whether a pitch for the programs
> violates the "no decisions while rounding" recommendation
> depends on whether that means decisions that would be
> *implemented* while you were rounding (which is how I
> always understood it), as opposed to decisions you
> could only implement once the course was over (and
> had presumably had a chance to give the decision some
> non-spacey thought).
> 
> > Never attended any of the MANY fundraisers held at the bigger facilities 
> > that I both attended or ran for years?
> > 
> > Never promoted Ayur veda or its many products at your TM center?
> > 
> > Were you ever a teacher in the field?  Selling programs was our total focus.
> > 
> > The brochure version of TM that you pitch here only works on people without 
> > experience of the organization, like maybe someone at an intro lecture.
> > 
> > If I had kept all the Telexes from National commanding me to pitch the next 
> > TM product through the next big campaign, I could turn them over and never 
> > need sketch paper for the rest of my life.
> 
> Again, th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > 
> > > > > > I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
> > > > > > plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
> > > > > > at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
> > > > > > pales in comparison!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
> > > > > > BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
> > > > 
> > > > And almost completely unaware of it. All while
> > > > considering himself enlightened. 
> > > > 
> > > > Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
> > > > refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
> > > > their utter reliance on "Kill the messenger"
> > > > demonization instead?
> > > 
> > > Yes, you probably can tell you're in a cult when you 
> > > make excuses for the people ripping you off.
> > 
> > I haven't seen anybody here making excuses for the
> > people ripping them off. Did I miss some posts, or
> > what?
> 
> Must have done.

Oh, could you quote some for me, please? Or at least
paraphrase?

> > What I've found fascinating in this discussion is
> > the *disproportion* between the gigantic fuss the
> > three of you are making of the fact that the TMers
> > haven't responded to salyavin's tale of woe the way
> > you think we should have, and the minimal objections
> > a couple of TMers have made to the griping. That
> > disproportion is what DrD was satirizing and what I
> > twitted Barry about.
> 
> Gigantic fuss? Griping?
> 
> I'm just trying to provoke a reaction as I'm curious as 
> to what FFLers would have said and done at the time.

It's mostly Barry making the gigantic fuss, but you've
contributed.

> It would hardly be a tale of woe to you if you had donated
> would it?

Huh?

> I suspect this sort of belittling language comes 
> from the  same place as Nabby's refusal to accept that it
> even happened.

You'd suspect wrong. I don't doubt your story.

> So what would you have done Judy? Seriously, put
> yourself in my place, on a rounding course and
> suddenly on the receiving end of a slick PR pitch
> with no purpose other than to relieve you of $50,000
> for something guaranteed never to happen by a so-called
> spiritual group you probably thought was the dogs 
> bollocks up to that point.

Hard to say since I wasn't there and can't be sure how
the pitch would have come across to me.

But I got turned off on the TMO probably within a
month of beginning TM when I attended a celebration at
my local TM center (and that was before my first
residence course, so the "dog's bollocks" situation you
describe wouldn't have applied to me--I'd already
decided that the TMO sucked).

My guess is that I'd have ignored it, which is what I've
done with almost all the sales pitches I've ever had from
the TMO, during rounding or otherwise (only sales pitches
I experienced during rounding were for advanced programs).

Plus the fact that at no time when I was taking rounding
courses would I have had $50,000 of which to be relieved!

It simply wouldn't have been a big blip on my radar screen.
Just more silly TMO blah-blah-blah, tune it out. Vedaland
was a ridiculous notion to start with even when Henning
was still in full cry.

> > Not a thing wrong, as far as I'm concerned, with
> > salyavin having brought up the fundraising on that
> > course, or with the three of you griping about it.
> > 
> > But you all seem to be even more outraged that the
> > TMers haven't all chimed in and denounced the TMO
> > than you've been over the original offense.
> 
> I think you are dreaming here, as I've said most people
> kept quite and kept their heads down to save getting in 
> trouble, like having a "negative" opinion is a bad thing.

Well, but isn't this one of the things you've been
outraged about?

> > Could it possibly be that some of the CPs on that
> > course were enjoying it and simply didn't *want* to
> > spoil their experience by getting into an outraged
> > frame of mind at that point, TMO or no TMO?
> 
> Is that how people work? I don't think so, people would
> complain about the food or the heating in the flying room
> as loudly as they could.

Yeah, but those things are relatively trivial, not some
kind of major betrayal. Bitching and moaning is one
thing, outrage is quite another.

 And, as I have pointed out, it
> was discussed over dinner. Mostly by my instigation and 
> with most people either making excuses or refusing to get 
> involved.

That would be in accord with my suggestion, though, that
folks didn't want to ruin

[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie

2013-01-27 Thread curtisdeltablues

Here is a whimsical sketch he made for a friend that you may relate to as a 
married man:

http://pbfineart.com/jjones/bed_600_417.jpg




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote:
> >
> > Hey Steve, thanks for the reply. I agree that FFL is a great place to
> be inspired to write daily. I used it that way for years.
> >
> > Your story about the ill fated trip to the museum as a sketch expert
> has a funny connection for me. My late uncle (not by blood
> unfortunately) was Joe Jones who is a pretty famous St. Louis painter,
> and whose biggest collection of work hangs there. He was like Woody
> Guthrie as a painter in the 30's and was famous for exposing the dark
> underbelly of oppressed people. He made some big waves with this
> painting titled "American Justice"
> >
> >
> http://artandsocialissues.cmaohio.org/web-content/images/Jones_Am-Justic\
> e_pg.jpg
> >
> > Here is a short documentary on his art.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBvCEdBewo8
> >
> > I may have to make a trip out there to see his work in the museum. He
> has some stuff in the DC National museums but they are in rotation and
> very limited. People where more interested in his socially conscious
> stuff and not as interested in his more abstract work as he evolved as a
> painter. I have some of his stuff on my walls including a beautiful one
> of the ocean at Mantoloking NJ done for my parents. He had been a
> communist in the 30's and this caused him lots of trouble, both when he
> took up the cause and when he dropped out of it.
> >
> > One of my few memories of being age 5 is a weird scene the year before
> he died at age 54. We were at the beach together at my Grandfather's
> place in Mantoloking NJ (tip of the hat to Alex). He was trying to
> convince me that he really was my uncle and I was having none of it. It
> really upset him that I thought he was putting me on since I had not
> spent time with him. I guess that is why it stuck in my young mind
> because he went to get my father to get me to accept him as a relative.
> I suspect any meeting with some God after death will go the same way!
> 
> 
> Curtis, that is so cool. I just watched the documentary. This will give
> me some excuse to visit the Art Museum.
> 
> To have rubbed shoulders with an artist as a young child, and an artist
> of this caliber seems pretty remarkable.
> 
> I guess I put artists on a pedestal.
> 
> The family was in Snowmass CO. over Christmas, which is just down the
> road from Aspen.  One evening, we walked through town as we like to do,
> and stopped in some fancy art galleries.  The art there was just
> fantastic.  And I'm not talking about weird stuff.  But rather these
> abstractions that you refer to.  And not outlandish abstactions, but
> rather, projecting something just out of the ordinary in a remarkably
> alluring way.
> 
> I mean, people may view Aspen as a place with a lot of pretention, but I
> will say that the art we saw that evening was remarkable.
> 
> And some of the clientele we saw were also quite remarkable.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie

2013-01-27 Thread doctordumbass

Looks EXACTLY like my previous commute!!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
>
> Well as you know, the rich have always been the patrons of the arts.  They 
> certainly were for my uncle during his life.  And think of the Medici family 
> in Florence!  They practically single-highhandedly financed Renaissance art. 
> 
> Snowmass sounds like a great place to hang, I have never been there and have 
> never skied out West.  What a great family memory to snag while you can.
> 
> Let me know if you ever make it to the gallery and if you see my Uncle's 
> exhibit.  Here is a link to his art there:
> 
> http://www.slam.org/emuseum/code/emuseum.asp?collection=6732&collectionname=American%20Art&style=Browse¤trecord=1&page=collection&profile=objects&searchdesc=American%20Art&quicksearch=joe%20jones
> 
> Even without the personal connection I love his work.  I just bought a book 
> the museum put out on his work after a 4 year project to collect information 
> about him.  
> 
> Uncle Joe really moved to his own drummer only.  He was famous for turning 
> down better paying commercial work to do things he thought were more 
> important.  And he was just as subject to the vagaries of the public as 
> artist's today.  You know how TV talent shows play up the personal struggle 
> angle in their back stories?  When Joe moved on from his angry young man 
> period of art, he lost much of the press's interest.  But his later work was 
> in many ways even more interesting than his more provocative pieces. Here is 
> one of my favorites being sold as a lithograph:
> 
> http://www.annexgalleries.com/inventory/detail/8159/Joe-Jones/Head-Lights-and-Tail-Lights
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Steve, thanks for the reply. I agree that FFL is a great place to
> > be inspired to write daily. I used it that way for years.
> > >
> > > Your story about the ill fated trip to the museum as a sketch expert
> > has a funny connection for me. My late uncle (not by blood
> > unfortunately) was Joe Jones who is a pretty famous St. Louis painter,
> > and whose biggest collection of work hangs there. He was like Woody
> > Guthrie as a painter in the 30's and was famous for exposing the dark
> > underbelly of oppressed people. He made some big waves with this
> > painting titled "American Justice"
> > >
> > >
> > http://artandsocialissues.cmaohio.org/web-content/images/Jones_Am-Justic\
> > e_pg.jpg
> > >
> > > Here is a short documentary on his art.
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBvCEdBewo8
> > >
> > > I may have to make a trip out there to see his work in the museum. He
> > has some stuff in the DC National museums but they are in rotation and
> > very limited. People where more interested in his socially conscious
> > stuff and not as interested in his more abstract work as he evolved as a
> > painter. I have some of his stuff on my walls including a beautiful one
> > of the ocean at Mantoloking NJ done for my parents. He had been a
> > communist in the 30's and this caused him lots of trouble, both when he
> > took up the cause and when he dropped out of it.
> > >
> > > One of my few memories of being age 5 is a weird scene the year before
> > he died at age 54. We were at the beach together at my Grandfather's
> > place in Mantoloking NJ (tip of the hat to Alex). He was trying to
> > convince me that he really was my uncle and I was having none of it. It
> > really upset him that I thought he was putting me on since I had not
> > spent time with him. I guess that is why it stuck in my young mind
> > because he went to get my father to get me to accept him as a relative.
> > I suspect any meeting with some God after death will go the same way!
> > 
> > 
> > Curtis, that is so cool. I just watched the documentary. This will give
> > me some excuse to visit the Art Museum.
> > 
> > To have rubbed shoulders with an artist as a young child, and an artist
> > of this caliber seems pretty remarkable.
> > 
> > I guess I put artists on a pedestal.
> > 
> > The family was in Snowmass CO. over Christmas, which is just down the
> > road from Aspen.  One evening, we walked through town as we like to do,
> > and stopped in some fancy art galleries.  The art there was just
> > fantastic.  And I'm not talking about weird stuff.  But rather these
> > abstractions that you refer to.  And not outlandish abstactions, but
> > rather, projecting something just out of the ordinary in a remarkably
> > alluring way.
> > 
> > I mean, people may view Aspen as a place with a lot of pretention, but I
> > will say that the art we saw that evening was remarkable.
> > 
> > And some of the clientele we saw were also quite remarkable.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] In space no one will hear you scream. Because you won't.....

2013-01-27 Thread Share Long

Thanks, Emily, she was a wonderful woman who I was fortunate to know for over 
50 years, mainly seeing her at weddings, etc.  I was making a joke about 2013 
but I did very much enjoy Bob's post about the constantly bickering spiritual 
disciples and Salyavin's about the human body.

Everything is covered in ice here this morning.  I've already fallen once.  On 
the right hip and elbow.  Nothing seems broken, thank you calcium supps, but 
bet I'll be sore tomorrow.  Scared to go out again.  But don't like being house 
bound.  Dithering... 





 From: Emily Reyn 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] In space no one will hear you scream. Because you 
won't.
 

  
Share, do you mean best post of January, 2013?  Which ones?  

My condolences and thoughts go out to you and your family today.  Emily. 



>
> From: Share Long 
>To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
>Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 4:28 AM
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] In space no one will hear you scream. Because you 
>won't.
> 
>
>  
>Salyavin, as I read this tiny muscles around the base of each hair folicle 
>tensed and the hair stood up.  But that's ok because I now know that whenever 
>I'm sitting, I'm also floating.  Yay!  BTW, you and Bob Price tie for Best 
>Post of 2013 IMHO (-:
>
>
>
>
>.
> 
>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: When I stopped believing my own lie

2013-01-27 Thread curtisdeltablues

Well as you know, the rich have always been the patrons of the arts.  They 
certainly were for my uncle during his life.  And think of the Medici family in 
Florence!  They practically single-highhandedly financed Renaissance art. 

Snowmass sounds like a great place to hang, I have never been there and have 
never skied out West.  What a great family memory to snag while you can.

Let me know if you ever make it to the gallery and if you see my Uncle's 
exhibit.  Here is a link to his art there:

http://www.slam.org/emuseum/code/emuseum.asp?collection=6732&collectionname=American%20Art&style=Browse¤trecord=1&page=collection&profile=objects&searchdesc=American%20Art&quicksearch=joe%20jones

Even without the personal connection I love his work.  I just bought a book the 
museum put out on his work after a 4 year project to collect information about 
him.  

Uncle Joe really moved to his own drummer only.  He was famous for turning down 
better paying commercial work to do things he thought were more important.  And 
he was just as subject to the vagaries of the public as artist's today.  You 
know how TV talent shows play up the personal struggle angle in their back 
stories?  When Joe moved on from his angry young man period of art, he lost 
much of the press's interest.  But his later work was in many ways even more 
interesting than his more provocative pieces. Here is one of my favorites being 
sold as a lithograph:

http://www.annexgalleries.com/inventory/detail/8159/Joe-Jones/Head-Lights-and-Tail-Lights
 




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote:
> >
> > Hey Steve, thanks for the reply. I agree that FFL is a great place to
> be inspired to write daily. I used it that way for years.
> >
> > Your story about the ill fated trip to the museum as a sketch expert
> has a funny connection for me. My late uncle (not by blood
> unfortunately) was Joe Jones who is a pretty famous St. Louis painter,
> and whose biggest collection of work hangs there. He was like Woody
> Guthrie as a painter in the 30's and was famous for exposing the dark
> underbelly of oppressed people. He made some big waves with this
> painting titled "American Justice"
> >
> >
> http://artandsocialissues.cmaohio.org/web-content/images/Jones_Am-Justic\
> e_pg.jpg
> >
> > Here is a short documentary on his art.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBvCEdBewo8
> >
> > I may have to make a trip out there to see his work in the museum. He
> has some stuff in the DC National museums but they are in rotation and
> very limited. People where more interested in his socially conscious
> stuff and not as interested in his more abstract work as he evolved as a
> painter. I have some of his stuff on my walls including a beautiful one
> of the ocean at Mantoloking NJ done for my parents. He had been a
> communist in the 30's and this caused him lots of trouble, both when he
> took up the cause and when he dropped out of it.
> >
> > One of my few memories of being age 5 is a weird scene the year before
> he died at age 54. We were at the beach together at my Grandfather's
> place in Mantoloking NJ (tip of the hat to Alex). He was trying to
> convince me that he really was my uncle and I was having none of it. It
> really upset him that I thought he was putting me on since I had not
> spent time with him. I guess that is why it stuck in my young mind
> because he went to get my father to get me to accept him as a relative.
> I suspect any meeting with some God after death will go the same way!
> 
> 
> Curtis, that is so cool. I just watched the documentary. This will give
> me some excuse to visit the Art Museum.
> 
> To have rubbed shoulders with an artist as a young child, and an artist
> of this caliber seems pretty remarkable.
> 
> I guess I put artists on a pedestal.
> 
> The family was in Snowmass CO. over Christmas, which is just down the
> road from Aspen.  One evening, we walked through town as we like to do,
> and stopped in some fancy art galleries.  The art there was just
> fantastic.  And I'm not talking about weird stuff.  But rather these
> abstractions that you refer to.  And not outlandish abstactions, but
> rather, projecting something just out of the ordinary in a remarkably
> alluring way.
> 
> I mean, people may view Aspen as a place with a lot of pretention, but I
> will say that the art we saw that evening was remarkable.
> 
> And some of the clientele we saw were also quite remarkable.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up - to Jim

2013-01-27 Thread doctordumbass

It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being grounded 
in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in Silence 
within, the enlightenment begins to "infect" everything else. The Silence 
within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, 
huh?:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>
> Jim...are you serious when you say you are enlightened?  When I've read a 
> poster on FFL claim enlightenment, I've always taken it as a sarcasm.
> 
> Do certain people on FFL believe they have reached enlightenment?
> 
> ***
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > LOL - Gotcha!! ...and I told you I had a naughty side, but you just don't 
> > listen, do ya?...Let's try it again -- HEY BARRY, I AM ENLIGHTENED, AND 
> > DON'T YOU **EVER** FORGET IT!!!:-)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I grew up, and moved on. Too bad you did not, though 
> > > > you can be lead through life however you choose. Yes, 
> > > > I AM ENLIGHTENED, BARRY, AND DON'T YOU 
> > > > **EVER** FORGET IT!:-)
> > > 
> > > I *can't* forget it, Jimbo, because I never believed
> > > it in the first place. Neither did *anyone else* on
> > > this forum. The only people you've been able to convince
> > > that you were enlightened were on Batgap, and you could
> > > convince those people that the moon was made of green
> > > cheese. :-)
> > > 
> > > And again, I'm inviting anyone who disagrees with me
> > > about Jim's "enlightened" status, and who believes it,
> > > to chime in and agree with me. 
> > > 
> > > Didn't you NOTICE the last few times I mentioned this,
> > > and no one did? If you didn't, it might suggest that
> > > you have a learning diability. Just sayin'...  :-)
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh salyavin808, I am incredibly sorry I have not given 
> > > > > > > your's and Barry's and MJ's victimization the full respect, 
> > > > > > > adoration and drama it deserves! 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Damn, were you ever spanked by mommy, or daddy? Should we 
> > > > > > > add that to the list?? Did you ever drop a quarter and it 
> > > > > > > rolled under a sofa, and you couldn't get at it? THAT'S 
> > > > > > > going on the list TOO!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Hey, are you political? If so, please send me the number 
> > > > > > > of times YOUR CANDIDATE lost! I am so ON it!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I bleed for you guys. Geez, the abuses and harm and just 
> > > > > > > plain Medieval TORTURE you, and Barry, and MJ have suffered 
> > > > > > > at the hands of the TMO and Maharishi!!! OMG, The Holocaust 
> > > > > > > pales in comparison!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > MY VAST, UNENDING APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU HAPLESS, 
> > > > > > > BROKEN SOULS!!! Good GOD, what was I thinking?!?!  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Cognitive dissonance. Fascinating.
> > > > > 
> > > > > And almost completely unaware of it. All while
> > > > > considering himself enlightened. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hasn't it been fascinating to see the TMers'
> > > > > refusal to deal with the actual issue here, and
> > > > > their utter reliance on "Kill the messenger"
> > > > > demonization instead?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have to believe that the reason is that they
> > > > > are still so guruwhipped that they're AFRAID to
> > > > > say things about the TMO or Maharishi that will
> > > > > be perceived as "negative." They are probably
> > > > > so superstitious that they think Bad Things
> > > > > will happen to them if they do. :-)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who brought it up

2013-01-27 Thread Emily Reyn

I noted the same about the link, but know the song and thus moved to Bob's 
other link of the book.  What a great book; a great offering with wonderful 
drawings.  The pages turn for you, which is very cool.  That is a pertinent 
link to what Curtis posted and I have saved it to peruse.  



>
> From: obbajeeba 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:28 AM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people 
>who brought it up
> 
>
>  
>FFL, the endless battle of who did what, and how come I am not fucking 
>enlightened yet. 
>
>Hey Bob, the link you put at the end of your post below on this thread, it 
>does not work if one lives in the States. I love Purple rain to go along with 
>those purple high stretch stiletto boots, please share a link we can see from 
>here, the States.. Emily would most likely appreciate it too!
>The mention in a post to the Turq, I do not live in Fairfield, and not in 
>Manhattan (deduct my non response of 72nd and 4th)(nor the L train from 
>Willamsburg) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhgjEObtrWE  Oh,Give me a ticket 
>on an Air-o-plane."  you now have minus three areas I may or may not live,at 
>certain times. :)
>I live in my skin, the blanket of FFL. You guys and ladies, are my warmth. :)
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>>
>> MILAREPA once sent three of his devotees, each with a
>> 
>> blanket, into the mountains of Tibet with the instruction to not return until
>> they had mastered their inner heat.Â 
>> 
>> 
>> The monks found an ice field, laid out their blankets, and
>> began to mediate; windstorms and angry blizzards pummeled the three 
>> adherents and
>> covered them with ice and snow, but the three continued to mediate without 
>> interruption.
>> 
>> 
>> Finally, after ten years had passed, one of the monks opened
>> his eyes and glared at the monk beside him and angrily shouted:Â 
>> 
>> 
>> "You're sitting on my blanket!"
>> 
>> 
>> The angry monk then closed his eyes and the three continued to mediate.Â 
>> 
>> 
>> More wind, snow and ice storms hit the mountain and froze the
>> monks solid, but still they continued their practice without interruption.
>> 
>> 
>> After another ten years had passed the second monk opened his eyes and 
>> shouted:
>> 
>> 
>> "No I'm not!"
>> 
>> 
>> The second angry monk then closed his eyes again, and the
>> three continued to mediate peacefully. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> More blizzards and wind storms hit the mountain and covered
>> the three monks with freezing rain and snow; the howling wind was deafening,
>> and at times the three mediating monks were encased in solid blocks of ice, 
>> but
>> they remained immoveable and continued to mediate uninterrupted.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Finally, after another ten years had passed (making it
>> thirty years since they had arrived), the third monk suddenly jumped up, 
>> grabbed
>> his blanket, and ran down the mountain, back to the monastery where MILAREPA 
>> was waiting. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> MILAREPA asked the devotee:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "Why have you returned, have you mastered your inner heat?"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> And the third monk answered:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "No master, I'm back because I got sick and tired of all the bickering and 
>> fighting!"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> For OBBA:
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bydB3-k-qU
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: turquoiseb 
>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:21 AM
>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people who 
>> brought it up
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Just so this doesn't get buried inside a topic many
>> people weren't reading, here it is with a new title,
>> and under a new thread.
>> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoisebÂ Â wrote:
>> >
>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoisebÂ Â wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > What makes you think that this "negatively charged tone"
>> > > is in THEM? It seems to me that a large number of people
>> > > *project* such things ONTO the TM critics, because they're
>> > > heavily attached to Maharishi and TM, and *their* buttons
>> > > got pushed. They're experiencing emotions inside themselves
>> > > that they perceive as negative, so they project the source
>> > > of that perceived negativity onto the critic. 
>> > 
>> > To expand upon this, Share, here's what I saw happen
>> > in this thread about the fundraising for Vedaland. 
>> > 
>> > Based upon what Michael and Salyavin have said about
>> > this incident, it seems clear that the TM organization
>> > not only was guilty of selling shares in a venture they
>> > knew was not going to happen because Doug was dying,
>> > they did so *on long-term residence courses*, sending
>> > people to solicit partnerships/donations from people
>> > who were rounding, and thus had been instructed to
>> > not make any serious decisions while rounding. 
>> > 
>> > OK, th

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