[FairfieldLife] Re: Fearmonger Gore full of hot air
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The author of the column below is a lobbyist for the Canadian utility industry and is paid to spread misinformation about global warming. If you're really interested in this topic, read a little of the 1000s of pages of research put out by the IPCC, the leading independent group of real scientists who study this issue. Also go to sites like realclimate. org. Guest Column Scientists respond to Gore's warnings of climate catastrophe The Inconvenient Truth is indeed inconvenient to alarmists By Tom Harris Monday, June 12, 2006 www.CanadianFreePress.com Scientists have an independent obligation to respect and present the truth as they see it, Al Gore sensibly asserts in his film An Inconvenient Truth, showing at Cumberland 4 Cinemas in Toronto since Jun 2. With that outlook in mind, what do world climate experts actually think about the science of his movie? Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, in Australia gives what, for many Canadians, is a surprising assessment: Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention. But surely Carter is merely part of what most people regard as a tiny cadre of climate change skeptics who disagree with the vast majority of scientists Gore cites? No; Carter is one of hundreds of highly qualified non-governmental, non-industry, non-lobby group climate experts who contest the hypothesis that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are causing significant global climate change. Climate experts is the operative term here. Why? Because what Gore's majority of scientists think is immaterial when only a very small fraction of them actually work in the climate field. Even among that fraction, many focus their studies on the impacts of climate change; biologists, for example, who study everything from insects to polar bears to poison ivy. While many are highly skilled researchers, they generally do not have special knowledge about the causes of global climate change, explains former University of Winnipeg climatology professor Dr. Tim Ball. They usually can tell us only about the effects of changes in the local environment where they conduct their studies. This is highly valuable knowledge, but doesn't make them climate change cause experts, only climate impact experts. So we have a smaller fraction. But it becomes smaller still. Among experts who actually examine the causes of change on a global scale, many concentrate their research on designing and enhancing computer models of hypothetical futures. These models have been consistently wrong in all their scenarios, asserts Ball. Since modelers concede computer outputs are not predictions but are in fact merely scenarios, they are negligent in letting policy-makers and the public think they are actually making forecasts. We should listen most to scientists who use real data to try to understand what nature is actually telling us about the causes and extent of global climate change. In this relatively small community, there is no consensus, despite what Gore and others would suggest. Here is a small sample of the side of the debate we almost never hear: Appearing before the Commons Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development last year, Carleton University paleoclimatologist Professor Tim Patterson testified, There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years. Patterson asked the committee, On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming? Patterson concluded his testimony by explaining what his research and hundreds of other studies reveal: on all time scales, there is very good correlation between Earth's temperature and natural celestial phenomena such changes in the brightness of the Sun. Dr. Boris Winterhalter, former marine researcher at the Geological Survey of Finland and professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, takes apart Gore's dramatic display of Antarctic glaciers collapsing into the sea. The breaking glacier wall is a normally occurring phenomenon which is due to the normal advance of a glacier, says Winterhalter. In Antarctica the temperature is low enough to prohibit melting of the ice front, so if the ice is grounded, it has to break off in beautiful ice cascades. If the water is deep enough icebergs will form. Dr. Wibjörn
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm not really part of or terribly interested in this conversation, but a funny thought just struck me. How long do you think it will take after Maharishi dies for the True Believers to add his name to the puja? I'd bet less than five years. As long as the TMO survives as MMY wants it tok, MMY's name will NEVER be part of the puja. He's had his official portrait added to the tradition of masters as a tiny figure in white standing respectfully to the side, well away from the river that flows through them. Your point is slightly irrelevant. After he dies, the TM movement will survive as the people who run it want it to survive, not as Maharishi wants it. If they want to reinterpret his wishes creatively, they will certainly do so. Just look at the history of *any* spiritual movement after its teacher died. I'd still bet on seeing a pretty determined program of Maharishi glorification. The movement will have lost not only its figurehead, but also the *only* person who could get press any time he wanted it. The public will tend to ignore the TM movement as passe (even more than they do now). So my bet is that people will start coming up with miracle stories and healing stories designed to portray Maharishi as something Really Special. This is really NOT a rap denigrating either TM or the TMO or Maharishi. It's just my guess about what we might see happen after Maharishi's death, based on what has happened in hundreds of spiritual traditions after their teachers' deaths. I don't understand sparaig's description of the new holy tradition picture -- MMY is the same size as Guru Dev, both are larger than all the others, and MMY is standing right next to the river, just like all the others, right at guru dev's feet. It is clearly a visual depiction of MMY being next in line in the tradition. The only distinctive feature is that MMY is standing, not sitting, which to me goes to his still being alive. Last year when MMY inaugerated sat yuga, either bevan or hagelin described MMY as the greatest sage to have ever lived on earth, which seems to me to back up T's point. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
The options Judy lays out is that everyone must either accept MMY's claim that he is a great rishi and an authentic yogi and address him such or they're being disrepectful of him. To simply not view him as a great rishi, which according the spiritual texts I've read is quite an exclusive title, without any disrespect is not an option. This is a version of if you're not with us, you're against us. It's the common attitude of authoritarian communities. To call MMY a bad name is disrespectful, to call him by his actual name is not. I'm not sure this is a big deal or not. The white house makes sure the media refer to bush's estate in texas as a ranch even though there's absolutely nothing ranchy going on there. This is to reinforce his image as an average joe in the minds of the electorate. These reinforcements can be subconsciously powerful. I know some people who refuse to call MMY Maharishi because they feel it reinforces years of conditioning to see him that way, a way which doesn't fit their current understanding of him. I respect people wanting to use someone's name rather than a title for this reason. Otherwise I don't think it matters that much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 26, 2006, at 12:55 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: snip Perhaps you should just refer to Maharishi as His Holiness as you do the Dalai Lama, since you are using equivalent terms anyway. Or continue to refer to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi as Lord Shiva or Lord Indra. Your choice... In the case of the Dalai Lama, this name is conferred based on accomplishment and conferred by living Buddhas. It has a specific meaning. FWIW, it's fairly common for Indian teachers to refer to their own masters as His Holiness. In the case of Mahesh, Maharishi is an assumed name, as is yogi. These were never conferred by the Shankaracharya tradition he originally came from, nor are they indicative of accomplishment. What tradition conferred the title Maharshi on Ramana Maharshi? Who conferred the title His Holiness on SSRS? Since SBS and current Shankaracharyas refer to him as Mahesh, it is probably respectful to the tradition to follow this tradition (rather than the spin). Certainly it would be respectful to the orthodox hierarchy that claims to represent Shankara's tradition to go along with its disrespect of Maharishi, just as it would be respectful of the Catholic tradition to consider Martin Luther an excommunicate and apostate. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that calling MMY Mahesh is anything but overtly and deliberately disrespectful to MMY. As I've noted before, according to the editor of The Collected Works of Ramana Maharshi, the title Maharshi (or Maharishi) is conferred on a teacher who has inaugurated a new spiritual path. That seems to indicate it is not a title that is conferred by the hierarchy of any particular tradition; it's given to someone who essentially starts a new tradition. In MMY's case--according to him, at least--he has *revived* a tradition, believing the current version of that tradition has been corrupted--very similar to Martin Luther's stance vis-a-vis the Catholic version of the Christian tradition. Naturally the hierarchy of Catholicism isn't about to accept Luther's revival as the legitimate version of the Christian tradition; neither should we expect the representatives of the official Shankaracharya tradition to accept MMY's revival as legitimate. In other words, that the Shankaracharyas disrespect MMY doesn't tell us anything except that they resent his efforts at reform. The real issue with regard to his use of the Maharishi title is whether his attempt to reform the tradition is authentic with regard to the original version--what Shankara actually taught. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Fairfield ever get any pundits -- CAN'T FIND THE $190 MILLION!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** U.S. non-profits are required to file an IRS form 990, which lists their income and assets. For 2004, the Global Country of World Peace listed a balance of $190 million dollars. Anybody can verify this by going to http://www.guidestar.org , completing the free registration, and looking at the 990 information using the search term Maharishi. Form 990 for 2004 shows net assets of only $10.2 million for the Global Country of World Peace. $8.5 million for the prior year. I can't find any independent filing entity related to maharishi endowment for world peace. The Global Country seems to deal solely with vedic city stuff, nothing about India. Where exactly are you finding $190 million balance in cash? The Global Development Fund is the largest maharishi entity in the US with over $200 million in net assets but that's primarily old money from the 90s with only $3 million in cash. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Fairfield ever get any pundits -- CAN'T FIND THE $190 MILLION!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: ** U.S. non-profits are required to file an IRS form 990, which lists their income and assets. For 2004, the Global Country of World Peace listed a balance of $190 million dollars. Anybody can verify this by going to http://www.guidestar.org , completing the free registration, and looking at the 990 information using the search term Maharishi. Form 990 for 2004 shows net assets of only $10.2 million for the Global Country of World Peace. $8.5 million for the prior year. I can't find any independent filing entity related to maharishi endowment for world peace. The Global Country seems to deal solely with vedic city stuff, nothing about India. Where exactly are you finding $190 million balance in cash? The Global Development Fund is the largest maharishi entity in the US with over $200 million in net assets but that's primarily old money from the 90s with only $3 million in cash. Actually I think I may have found it. In 2002, the Maharishi Global Development Fund took in $76 million in donations. $58 million of that was then transferred out to a variety of offshore accounts in the Channel Islands. The primary offshore account is the Brahmanada Saraswati trust which received a $53 million grant that year. This same account received $16 million in 2003 and $10 million in 2004 in grants from the MMY Glb. Dev Acc't, which represents the majority of its own donations for those years. So it seems that US donations to the pundits have gone into the Glb. Dev fund for tax purposes but then get transferred out to an offshore account where of course they can't be traced any further. I can't imagine what else that $76 million in donations in 2002 could be connected to. Was that the year the millionaire courses started?? Anyway, unless someone can get records from a private offshore account we don't know how the pundit donations have been used. I'm still curious where Bob saw the $190 million in cash? PS -- The biggest expense for the MMY Glb Dev fund in 2002 was $2.7 million paid to Equine 121 Consulting in Texas. This must be related to that real estate scandal in texas in which the movement paid a bunch of money to some ex-politician to fix some deal which cost the locals a bunch of money -- anyone remember those details?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Fairfield ever get any pundits -- CAN'T FIND THE $190 MILLION!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: ** U.S. non-profits are required to file an IRS form 990, which lists their income and assets. For 2004, the Global Country of World Peace listed a balance of $190 million dollars. Anybody can verify this by going to http://www.guidestar.org , completing the free registration, and looking at the 990 information using the search term Maharishi. Form 990 for 2004 shows net assets of only $10.2 million for the Global Country of World Peace. $8.5 million for the prior year. I can't find any independent filing entity related to maharishi endowment for world peace. The Global Country seems to deal solely with vedic city stuff, nothing about India. Where exactly are you finding $190 million balance in cash? The Global Development Fund is the largest maharishi entity in the US with over $200 million in net assets but that's primarily old money from the 90s with only $3 million in cash. I mistakenly said Global Country of World Peace instead of Global Development Fund the 990 for 2004 shows assets of $208 million (Maharishi Global Development Fund IA 2004 $208,457,893 990 40 52- 2052522), minus liabilities of 18 mil, that leaves $190 million net. You won't find a 990 listing for the Endowment fund for world Peace, because, as their website says at the bottom of the page, it's part of the MGDF and MGANL: Donations to the Endowment Fund for Permanent World Peace, established by the Maharishi Country of World Peace, are tax deductible for US Donors. As far as the MGDF having $3 million in cash, that's cash, not investments, which is what constitutes the bulk of the $190 million.You are incorrect in saying that the $190 million in assets of the MGDF is old money from the 1990s. The MGDF was nearly empty after it lost the value of the Global Link stock (which never had any real value, anyway): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/996 Wrong again Bob. The MGDF had net assets of $552 million in 1999. In 2000 it took a loss of $325 million on its investments, primarily Global Link stock, as well as a few others, leaving it with $241 million in net assets at the end of 2000. I wouldn't say that $241 million in assets is nearly empty, in fact it's more than the latest $190 million value of the fund, so your implication that the fund has built itself back up since its big globallink loss is wrong, since the fund has actually declined in value since then. It you analyze the inflows and outflows you'll see that most of the donations since 2000 are being spent on domestic operating expenses or transferred to offshore accounts. The main investments in MGDF have been there since before 2000, primarily real estate, but also a host of other things, including a $1.8 million yacht for example. As far as your initial claim that this fund is funding the pundits with the interest earned on its $190 million in net assets, that just can be as most of its assets are real estate and other non-interest paying investments -- in 2000 the fund earned $175,000 in interest/dividends, in 2004 it earned $185,000. Periodically it sells some real estate for a capital gain. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Fairfield ever get any pundits -- CAN'T FIND THE $190 MILLION!
The income from the $87 million donated to the pundit project in India can't be more than ~$8 million a year, even if they're getting top returns in their investments. This is a very modest sum when you're talking about housing and supporting many thousands of pundits. I'm familiar with 2 charitable projects in india and both say it costs about $1/day to feed, house and educate an indian child. That's $365 per year per child. Now these are pretty basic operations, so let's say it costs 35% more for the tmo, or $500 per year. $500 x 7,000 is $3.5 million to support a 7000 group. In the mid-80s, the original planned group of 7000 pundits was financed by old man Zimmerman and I remember him pledging $2 million per year for that, maybe it was $2.5 million, that's what they figured then it would cost. So I think the guestimate of $3.5 million today is probably close. Anyone else here have actually experience in this area??? PS - of course zimmerman backed out of the project after a few years supposedly after having hired an auditor to research how his money was being spent in india. how hard would it be for the TMO to publish comprehensive list with photos of all such facilities, if others exist, along with what it cost to build each one? That would dispel all this speculation about embezzlement by the nephews. ** Aside from a handful of posters on this list, and some TMexers, who thinks that the interest from the $87 mil raised on the millionaires' course is not going to do pundit stuff in India, as promised? I don't hear any complaints from the people who donated, and the Kaplans recently gave another $16 million for the project, which says that the people who gave to do the pundit thing in India are confident that that is what is happening. There are people who think that the U.S. never landed people on the moon, despite the overwhelming evidence that they did, and those who are not satisfied that the TMO is spending the money on legit pundit projects are similarly not going to be satisfied with any documentation. It may be the case that some administrators of the TM movement in India are driving Mercedes (instead of Tatas or whatever that the local junk car is), but this really does not mean anything -- the TMO is doing the right thing in India to restore Vedic culture, and if you don't believe it, well, then you don't believe it and you can put together a documentary for PBS like those 6% of folks who don't think the U.S. put astronauts on the moon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations The TMO is going for the effect of restoring Vedic culture -- not for convincing people who are only interested in slinging mud that they are wasting their time. What is this about the Kaplans recently giving $16 Million? Where did you get that info from? Doesn't sound like anything the Kaplans would do now after all that has happenned with them. What, exactly, happened to them? My understanding is that they put a chunk of money in a joint bank account, with the verbal understanding that it would be used to pay taxes, and instead it was used for something else. Not a good way to keep a major donor happy, but what happened to them, personally? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Foley would have been better off having sex with the page...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Kinda like Clinton who pushed through the law that required defendents in civil sexual harrassment suits to answer questions about PREVIOUS SEXUAL HARASSMENT CASES...which is the ONLY reason he was asked the question about Lewinski in the Paula Jones deposition (which is what he lied about). [emphasis added] You should have said previous sexual behavior. That provision of the law had nothing to do with previous sexual harassment cases. No, it is YOUR selective definition of the word cases. I was using it to describe an occurance or instance. The first entry from the dictionary for the word cases from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cases is: An instance of something; an occurrence; an example: a case of mistaken identity. ...the legal use of cases doesn't come in until the 7th definition. The meanings of words are determined by context, Shemp, not by the order of their definitions in the dictionary. The context here was, of course, legal cases. That may not have been what you meant, but it was a perfectly reasonable assumption, not a selective definition. And in any event, what they get to ask about is *sexual history*, not just sexual harassment. So that part was wrong too. Clinton didn't get asked about previous sexual harassment. Lewinsky wasn't an instance of sexual harassment, obviously. You're correct when you say they get to ask about previous sexual history... About 10 million feminists will disagree with you when you say that the Lewinsky affair wasn't an instance of sexual harassment. I just had to take a course on a course on sexual harassment in the workforce (to keep a license current) and I can assure you that a person in power having on-site sexual relations with an underling -- consensual or otherwise -- most definitely falls under the definition of sexual harassment. According to CLinton, she chased HIM. Not sure what she's said on that issue. It's vile. It's more sad than anything else, to see someone with such potential throw it all down the drain because of a sexual addiction - Mark Foley on Bill Clinton in 1998. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gay Liberals.....but child molesting Republicans
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: No man, he was grooming the boy. Grooming him for what...sex? If it WAS for sex, and the two then went on to have consensual sex, there would have been no crime because both were over the age of consent. In many states it would be illegal as the pedophile laws take into account not only age of consent but the age difference in the parties as well -- often if there's more than a 4 yr age difference then the age of consent is raised to 18. Apparently this is not the case in DC though. And homosexual acts are still illegal in a few of the red states that best reflect shemp's kind of mind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gay Liberals.....but child molesting Republicans
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Outraged that the smug, hypocritical asshole who helped create that law is getting bitchslapped by it? You gotta be kidding! And, actually, I'm not particularly outraged by that law. It basically establishes 18 as the age of consent with respect to sexually explicit speech between individuals on the Internet. I don't find that any more draconian than a state age of consent law set at 18 or the law requiring porno actors be 18. Below is Attorney General Ashcroft praising Foley for helping to establish the law. It can be found on the Help Congressman Foley Protect Our Children website here http://www.votervoice.net/groups/foley/ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE TUESDAY, JUNE 25, 2002 WWW.USDOJ.GOV AG (202) 514-2008 TDD (202) 514-1888 STATEMENT OF ATTORNEY GENERAL JOHN ASHCROFT ON THE PASSAGE OF THE SMITH-POMEROY-FOLEY CHILD OBSCENITY AND PORNOGRAPHY PREVENTION ACT I am pleased that the House of Representatives passed the Child Obscenity and Pornography Prevention Act, a bill that will strengthen the ability of law enforcement to protect children from abuse and exploitation. I urge the Senate to bring this important legislation to the floor as soon as possible. I want to thank Chairman Sensenbrenner for guiding this important legislation through the Judiciary Commitee, and Congressmen Lamar Smith, Mark Foley, and Earl Pomeroy for their leadership on this bill. They have worked tirelessly to protect the health and safety of children. The Department of Justice remains solid in its commitment to identify, investigate, and prosecute those who sexually exploit children. I look forward to working with Congress to see to it that this legislation becomes law, so that we may continue in our efforts to eliminate child pornography and prosecute offenders. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gay Liberals.....but child molesting Republicans
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And homosexual acts are still illegal in a few of the red states that best reflect shemp's kind of mind. And how do YOU feel about those states where it is still illegal? I don't believe sex among consenting adults should be legislated by the gov't. The gender of the people involved shouldn't matter. (I'm not sure what I think the age of consent should be or how to handle situations teenagers and adults many years older as I haven't thought about it much until Foley time). Back to main pt ... Right On to Alex's posts, and I wanted to highlight another Greenwald comment that sums it up for me: Mark Foley isn't some isolated case of shocking hypocrisy. Quite the contrary. People who have a publicly and vocally expressed obsession with other people's moral behavior and who want to use the power of the Government to enforce that obsession -- the Rick Santorums and Rush Limbaughs and Newt Gingrichs and Jim Bakkers and Ralph Reeds and Mark Foleys of the world -- are almost always fighting their own demons, not anyone else's. It is so important for them to parade around as moral protectors and moral warriors precisely because they have no other way to cleanse themselves, despite being in desperate need of a cleansing... We have been barraged with laws, programs, sermons, demagoguery and all sorts of moral demonization from a political movement whose most powerful pundit is a multiple-times-divorced drug addict who flamboyantly cavorts around with a new girlfriend every few months in between Viagra-fueled jaunts to the Dominican Republic. It is a political movement whose legacy will be torture, waterboards, naked, sadomasochistic games in Iraqi dungeons, with all sorts of varied sleaze and corruption deeply engrained throughout its DNA -- all propped up by a facade of moralism and dependent upon the support of those who have been propagandized into believing that they voting for the Party of Values and Morals. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] NY Times article on MMY on sunday
Link here http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/magazine/08wwln_essay.html?_r=2oref=sloginoref=slogin To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scandal hits Gangaji
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, Did you ever meet with her? What is your opinion of her? She is on our local cable channels in DC. I guess her Mississippi background gives her a pass on the sloow talking, but I find it impossible to listen to her for very long to find out what she is up to. The people she is on the show with seem very impressed with her simple statements. Guess you have to be there. I can't watch her on TV either w/o getting bored and rolling my eyes, but in person I experienced some very beneficial shifts in awareness, at least 10 years ago I did. I wouldn't call this a Gangaji scandal as it primarily involves her husband who is an independent teacher, though he apparently sits on her board, and it seems to have been handled in a proper way, 100 times more open and honorable than what you tend to find in most movements. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] pundits
apparently bevan has told the course that pundits are now receiving visas and should start arriving in ffld in a week or so. the tmo is hoping to get some of the unused FEMA trailers for them to live in -- FEMA bought 11,000 3-bedroom trailers for the homeless victims of katrina, but due to incompetence they have been sitting empty in an arkansas pasture all this time. now the bush admin. is offering them for free to non profits and faith-based groups. I suggest that these pundits start praising the lord instead of chanting sanskrit if they want a trailer to live in. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Well, I guess hell froze over -- and a lot of hard-core pessimists will have to find something else to be mad at. :) Perhaps it would be good to use a napkin to remove the egg from your faces. Mad at? Weird choice of words. Anyway, three yrs after Hagelin said the pundits were already on the planes and over a year after the pundits arriving immediately posters were put up in the domes, some pundits may possibly be arriving soon and that's seen as normal honest communication that people were foolish to draw attention to? What I don't understand is that the pundit thing in ffld was completely dropped when MD arrived last winter and was just revived a couple weeks ago when Settle offered to pay $500/month (now $600/month) for 1,000 sidhas to be in the domes and MMY told the honchos here to get back on it, and in just a couple weeks they're succeeding in getting visas when they couldn't get any at all during several years of trying earlier. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about Bevan's pundit housing claims
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 10/13/06 4:25 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bevan says: As you know, the Vastu campus previously constructed in Maharishi Vedic City by Raja Wynne and Maureen is now completely occupied by participants in the Mother Divine program. In what way would the 100 ladies of the MD program be completely occupying a campus built for 500 pundits? Because MD ladies don¹t want to be packed in like sardines the way the pundits would have been. *** Well, the point is, if you are going to build some new housing in VC, then the obvious first step would be to first build housing designed to put the 100 MD members into single rooms, which would instantly give you 500 rooms for pundits when the MD moves out (and it's just absolutely ridiculous to talk about MD being disturbed by having to make the short move to new housing in VC -- they seem to have survived the move from Boone in good order). Since the housing that MD occupies was built for the pundits, if the pundits are indeed coming, then why aren't they going into the housing they were designed for? It's just a waste, since the pundit housing cost about two million and change, but housing the 100 MD in manufactured boxes should only cost about a million. It may be that they don't want to solicit funds to build for MD because they are less popular than the pundits, but whatever the reasoning, it's horseshit not to use available housing that will hold 500 pundits. The number of rooms you get on MD depends primarily on the amount of your sponsorship. Top ladies are 2 to a trailer, which would have held 16 pundits. You can say this is a waste of money/space, but these top ladies bring in mucho money each month. The lowest ladies get 2 rooms and even that is considered a downsizing from what they had in Boone. No way all MD would go into single rooms as that would destroy the multi-tiered feudal/aristocratic social pecking order that has evolved there over the years -- chaos would erupt. I'm curious about the new pundit trailers that are said to have vedic proportions as I think they're still working on getting the unused FEMA trailers in Ark. Wow, Bush is giving away 11,000 vedic trailers in an enlightened attempt to improve the situation in Iraq, no doubt. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: That's illegal and would destroy the TMO's reputation if proveable. Spraig, I'll bet you laughed when you wrote this. If you didn't please take a moment to laugh your ass off. Reputation! Brilliant! It's so funny, Curtis, you seem to have missed what came immediately before what you quote: Was any of that stuff government funded? Lawson, can you give Curtis an estimate of how much the TMO has received in government funding for scientific studies? Not a clue. The Hypertension health center stuff is $8 million from the NIH, I believe, but for other studies, you'd have to read the study and see where the funding came from. I'd be willing to bet that 100% of the studies that involve comparisons between TM and other meditation techniques were non-TM funded, and 90+% certain that any studies involving non-MUM faculty were non-TM funded also. Can't say anything about the rest, without reading them and checking for where the grant came from. MUM financials show it gets between $2-$4 million each year in gov't grants, though not all of this is necessarily for research. Don't know how much is for the long term hypertension research which is top notch. It's the graduate students working with faculty on their dissertations that are generally bogus due to the pressure to come up with positive findings or else no degree. Not sure if any of this type of research is going on anymore as the graduate science programs are pretty much gone now I think. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: invincibility update
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first para. is from AP ( I think); the rest is Hagelin's press release. Funny how they don't clarify where the AP report ends and a tmo press release begins. I guess there are actually sidhas out there stupid enough to fall for believing the whole thing is an AP release. As Doug pointed out, the course didn't achieve the required ME numbers and has been way down the past few weeks, so I don't understand the point -- according to scientific research protocol that result disproves your theory. Not that it would have proved it anyway -- the whole setup is flawed. There have been published studies showing how the market typically is significantly higher 5-10 weeks after a disaster or geopolitical shock of some sort. This is because the stock market tends to quickly overreact to unexpected bad news, puts in a major bottom that serves as the technical basis for a major rally. Last summer the market dropped quickly in reaction to the onset of the war, afraid primarily of it spreading across the middle east and driving oil prices way up (war is not necessarily bad for stocks but rapidly rising oil prices are). After only a few days it was clear the war was not going to spread, oil prices sharply declined, and the market began to rally even before the course started -- actually the market had already begun to rally off its lowest point in June and so it was really a continuation of that earlier rally that started over a month before the course started. The same phenomenon happened in 2005 with Katrina when the market rallied sharply after that oversold, fear-based market bottom as well -- if a course had been called then in response to that disaster no doubt the tmo would have taken credit for the fall rally of 2005 as well. As I mentioned, stock market research shows this has happnened numerous times in history -- it doesn't prove the ME, what it proves is that (1) if you have the guts to buy stocks in the midst of an unexpected crisis that is creating deep fear in the market while (2) overall corporate profits are actually doing fine,, then you will reap a tidy profit within a few months. In short, if the tmo wants to prove its point to someone other than TBs, they need to do a real research project that involves random periods of actually having the required ME number in the dome versus periods not having the number and comparing market performances during those (more than once) random times. DOW AND SP SOAR 10% DURING FIRST 88 DAYS OF INVINCIBLE AMERICA COURSE, NEW RESEARCH SHOWS Adds $1.5 Trillion in Corporate Net Worth Wall Street Boom to Surge Ahead ASSOCIATED PRESS (OCTOBER 18): The Dow Jones industrial average swept past 12,000 for the first time Wednesday, extending its march into record territory as investors grow increasingly optimistic about corporate earnings and the economy. The Dow Jones Industrial Index and the SP 500 posted total gains of approximately 10%, with the Dow repeatedly hitting all-time record levels and the SP reaching a 5.5-year high, during the first 88 days of a major scientific demonstration project to monitor the effects of a group of 1200 advanced Transcendental Meditation experts on national economic, social, and even climatic trends. The project, entitled the Invincible America Assembly, is being held at Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa, and is being funded by a $12 million annual grant from the Howard and Alice Settle Foundation for an Invincible America. The results of a sophisticated econometric analysis by Dr. Ken Cavanaugh, Professor of Applied Statistics at Maharishi University of Management, were released today after the Dow broke 12,000 for the first time, fulfilling predictions publicly announced before the course for a record-breaking bull market and a robust economy. Dr. Cavanaugh said the behavior of the Dow and the SP during the past 88 days are in marked contrast with the period prior to the course, when the Dow was decreasing on average slightly less than 0.02% percent per week from January 1, 2000, through the week prior to the course. For the same period, the SP 500 Index was decreasing at an average weekly rate of more than 0.04%. However, immediately following the start of the course on July 23, there was a dramatic change in the direction of both indexes. Both shifted suddenly to a strong positive average rate of growth of approximately 0.8% percent per week. Time series impact assessment analysis confirms that this change is highly statistically significant, Dr. Cavanaugh said. The probability of observing such a large increase in the rate of growth purely by chance is less than 3 in 10,000 for the SP 500, and 7 in 10,000 for the Dow. According to Dr. John Hagelin, world-renowned quantum physicist, who is directing the scientific demonstration
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are disappointed to encounter such misunderstandings from a tiny but vocal religious minority. Religious minority here means the TMO ex-cult members who are tyying to bring up their kids free of the TMO. Nobody was forcing them to learn TM. Despite the weirdness in the upper echelons of the tmo, practicing TM on your own is certainly not cultish. Concerned parents could have tried talking to their kids about their concerns rather than shouting down intelligent debate at the public meeting and in effect stopping other families from making their own decision about TM. --- gimari03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the TL Community October 18, 2006 The following is a news release from the District Office that announces the withdrawal by the David Lynch Foundation of their $175,000 grant to fund the teaching of the Transcendental Meditation technique on a voluntary basis to up to 25 staff members and 250 students. As a result of the withdrawal we must cancel plans for the teaching of the meditation program. NEWS For release: October 17, 2006Contact: Leah Reich Terra Linda High announces withdrawal of David Lynch Foundation grant SAN RAFAEL, CA, October 17, 2006 Terra Linda High School Principal Carole Ramsey announced today that the David Lynch Foundation has withdrawn its offer of a $175,000 grant to fund the teaching of the Transcendental Meditation technique on a voluntary basis to up to 25 staff members and 250 students. The intent of our offer has always been to reduce the level of stress among students and staffwhich has been our experience with this program in schools all over the country, said Bob Roth, vice president of the David Lynch Foundation. We are disappointed to encounter such misunderstandings from a tiny but vocal religious minority. Given the situation, we feel it is best to direct our support to other deserving schools. In making the announcement to staff and via the OneTL website, Principal Ramsey said, It is unfortunate that a few individuals have created an environment that has led to the withdrawal of this grant. Nevertheless, the school will encourage students who remain interested in meditation to investigate alternative programs. High stress continues to be a concern for high school students and the school supports a variety of efforts to reduce it, both inside and outside the classroom. # # # The San Rafael City Schools includes the San Rafael Elementary School District and the San Rafael High School District that serve more than 5,500 students in the community of San Rafael. The vision of the San Rafael City Schools is to offer an education program of unparalleled excellence, built on challenging content, high performance standards and a renaissance of reforms. I want to thank David Garcia and all of the staff and students who have participated in trying to put this program together. While we are disappointed this program didn't work out, because of the high interest we will encourage students to investigate other programs. We will be providing guidance as to what type of programs would fit within the structure of a school club and what activities would have to be outside of the school day. High stress continues to be a concern for high school students and the school will continue to pursue activities and programs to reduce it, both inside and outside the classroom. Carole Ramsey To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: pandit update: some tomorrow, and 360 by Friday 10/27
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 10/24/06 9:27 AM, Peter at drpetersutphen@ wrote: Heehee. I'll gladly eat crow. I hope they actually arrive. Can you imagine if they don't? Oh boy! I wonder if the pundits¹ arrival (finally), the free sidhis, Maharishi¹s daily calls to the dome, etc., reflect his feeling, as his life draws to a close, that he needs to make amends for some of the things he has done, or hasn¹t done. In other words, that a sort of clarity or broader perspective dawns as death approaches, and a desire arises to set things right. I don't think so. Maharishi has always done as much as the environment allowed him to do, in an effortless way. If the environment had supported the arrival of the pundits awhile back, they would be here. It is not all about Maharishi as I see it. He acts more as a force of nature than an isolated man. So these things happening at this time are due much more to the destiny of the world, and the efforts of all of the long time meditators of whatever stripe, than Maharishi's desires. Maharishi has *always* been wanting to show off the full glory of spiritual life, while at the same time recognizing that all things come in due course. So I conclude from recent events that now 'enough pencils have been sold' (remember that quote of his?). What's changed is that Settle is giving $1 million per month to sponsor all these specific activities in Ffld. No need for all this naive culty superstitious belief systems mumbo jumbo when the truth is right in front of your face. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: pandit update: some tomorrow, and 360 by Friday 10/27
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/24/06 11:08 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think so. Maharishi has always done as much as the environment allowed him to do, in an effortless way. If the environment had supported the arrival of the pundits awhile back, they would be here. It is not all about Maharishi as I see it. He acts more as a force of nature than an isolated man. So these things happening at this time are due much more to the destiny of the world, and the efforts of all of the long time meditators of whatever stripe, than Maharishi's desires. Maharishi has *always* been wanting to show off the full glory of spiritual life, while at the same time recognizing that all things come in due course. So I conclude from recent events that now 'enough pencils have been sold' (remember that quote of his?). What's changed is that Settle is giving $1 million per month to sponsor all these specific activities in Ffld. No need for all this naive culty superstitious belief systems mumbo jumbo when the truth is right in front of your face. But millions were raised before and nothing happened. Maybe Settle is demanding results. Yeah, I guess it's partly that Settle has put restrictions on how to spend the money and partly that MMY is giving it last last big try. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dubya ain't the only one getting his instructions from Je...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: snip If Obama can't or won't speak openly against gay marriage or abortion he will not attract the devout Christian vote, no matter how much he says he is a Christian. Just for the record, it's not necessary to be against gay marriage and/or abortion in order to be a devout Christian. Of course it isn't. But it is necessary if you want to attract a certain and significant block of vote. Just as there is a certain and significant block of vote that a candidate will lose if he is against the death penalty. You're aware of this, Judy, as you'll recall that when Bill Clinton was still Governor of Arkansas and was running for President, he rushed home to Arkansas to oversee the execution of a retarded Black man on Death Row. That little bit of switch-flicking on the part of Bill went a long way towards winning him the Presidency. Are you, Judy, like your much admired Bill Clinton in favor of executing retarded Black men? Medication time, Shemp. When Judy has trouble answering a question or coming to terms with the voting record of those she admires (e.g. Clinton executing retarded Black men or Al Gore's father being a career-long segregationist), she comes up with the medication line: http://www.counterpunch.org/gray1207.html An excerpt: Southern politician Clinton has always played the race-crime game to perfection. In his first presidential race Governor Clinton ran for office supporting the death penalty at a time when the country was split almost down the middle on the issue. Then for good measure, he rushed back to Arkansas to oversee the execution of convicted killer Ricky Ray Rector, a brain-damaged black man. Funny how a racist like Clinton got 85% of the black vote. That Clinton was pro death penalty and an opportunistic campaigner is not a controversy -- for shemp to claim it proves clinton was a racist is an absurd contradiction of the facts of clinton's life and policies, supported by his immense popularity among blacks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] the false guru test
http://energygrid.com/spirit/ap-falsegurutest.html 1. States his or her own enlightenment: The wisest masters tend not to state their own enlightenment or perfection for they know that it is both unhelpful to themselves and to their students. The false teachers often make this claim because they have little else on offer to attract followers. 2. Is unable to take criticism: False teachers strongly dislike either personal criticism or criticism of their teaching; they do not take kindly to ordinary unenlightened individuals questioning them. They or their organisations will even undertake multi-million dollar law suits to stop ex-members from spilling the beans. 3. Acts omnipotently with no accountability: Some spiritual communities are run like concentration camps, with guru and his chosen ones acting like Gestapo officers. Unjust or outrageous behaviour by the guru is passed off as what is needed to help the followers grow (how kind). These are the dangerous gurus who have often severely damaged their students. A real master respects your will even if he or she understands that your particular decisions may not be in your interest, and he or she will act accountably to an ethical code of conduct. 4. Focuses on enlightenment itself rather than teaching the path leading to it: It is amazing how much false gurus have to say about enlightenment. They argue their points in the same way that the scholars in the middle ages argued how many angels could sit on the head of a pin. Any fool can talk about the end goal because what is said is irrefutable to most of your listeners. What is skillful is guiding those listeners to having awakening within themselves. The real teacher focuses on the path and strictly avoids any talk on enlightenment. 5. Does not practice what is preached: Contrary to spiritual myth, you don't reach a point of realization whereby you can then start acting mindlessly. If a teacher preaches love and forgiveness, then he should act that way, at least most of the time, showing suitable regret for any lapses). If he teaches meditation, he should meditate. If he insists that his followers live in austere conditions, so should he. 6. Takes the credit for a particular meditative or healing technique: The fact is that meditation and guided visualisation work. Anyone doing them will experience major changes, benefits and realizations. The false guru will try to own or trademark particular methods and techniques so that she has something unique to attract followers. And she will hijack the effects of meditation as the guru's blessing rather than each individuals natural potential. Often the students or followers are forbidden from divulging the techniques to maintain a sort of intellectual property right, usually under the guise of needing the technique to be taught correctly. 7. Specifically gives satsang or darshan when it is not part of his culture: Darshan is when the disciples or students of a master line up and to pass their master, who is usually seated, with either a bow or traditionally kissing their feet (yes it does happen). In the East, this is part of their culture and a normal thing to do to show respect and reverence (even children will kiss the feet of their fathers). However, here in the West, such copycat behaviour is a strong indication that the guru is acting a role. Satsang, on the other hand, means literally the company of the Truth. In a deeper sense it is an affirmation of the Guru-Disciple relationship in Eastern traditions. But some Western gurus will use this terminology because they are playing a role. 8. Lives in total opulence: There is nothing wrong with living in luxury or being wealthy. But when that luxury turns to unnecessary opulence using funds that were not explicity donated for that purpose then you are probably dealing with a false guru. Money is collected from followers usually in the form of donations, and those donations are given as an act of love, appreciation and to help spread the influence of the master. However, a genuine master is more likely to use such wealth to lessen the suffering in this world, not to buy another yacht, private jet or Rolls Royce. 9. Encourages or permits adoration from his followers: Avoid any group that focuses on the master themselves rather than the teachings or spiritual practices. This will be a hindrance to your self-realisation for your focus will be drawn outside of yourself, and usually indicates that there is not a lot more on offer than guru worship. 10. Presents himself or herself overly fashionably and glamorously: Beware of masters who present glamour photographs of themselves and dress overly fashionably (whilst proclaiming that they have no ego and leading ego-death retreats). Yes it does happen! 11. Demands love and devotion from their students: Keep clear of any
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent list. Could be used for major and minor gurus. To me, it reads more like a Test of Characteristics I Don't Think Gurus Should Have. Even so, MMY doesn't do too badly on it. Some of the criteria apply to him, but a lot don't. Seems to me #s 2,3,6,13,14,15,16,17,20,21,23,24,25, and 26 apply. And I'm not even including the outrageous titles point, which MMY gives liberally to others but not himself, or the questionable linneage point, as the jyotir math shankaracharya linneage controversy is not directly related. I'm sure there are some who would include the opulence point and maybe a couple others. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://energygrid.com/spirit/ap-falsegurutest.html 1.States his or her own enlightenment: The wisest masters tend not to state their own enlightenment or perfection for they know that it is both unhelpful to themselves and to their students. The false teachers often make this claim because they have little else on offer to attract followers. 2.Is unable to take criticism: False teachers strongly dislike either personal criticism or criticism of their teaching; they do not take kindly to ordinary unenlightened individuals questioning them. They or their organisations will even undertake multi-million dollar law suits to stop ex-members from spilling the beans. 3.Acts omnipotently with no accountability: Some spiritual communities are run like concentration camps, with guru and his chosen ones acting like Gestapo officers. Unjust or outrageous behaviour by the guru is passed off as what is needed to help the followers grow (how kind). These are the dangerous gurus who have often severely damaged their students. A real master respects your will even if he or she understands that your particular decisions may not be in your interest, and he or she will act accountably to an ethical code of conduct. 4.Focuses on enlightenment itself rather than teaching the path leading to it: It is amazing how much false gurus have to say about enlightenment. They argue their points in the same way that the scholars in the middle ages argued how many angels could sit on the head of a pin. Any fool can talk about the end goal because what is said is irrefutable to most of your listeners. What is skillful is guiding those listeners to having awakening within themselves. The real teacher focuses on the path and strictly avoids any talk on enlightenment. 5.Does not practice what is preached: Contrary to spiritual myth, you don't reach a point of realization whereby you can then start acting mindlessly. If a teacher preaches love and forgiveness, then he should act that way, at least most of the time, showing suitable regret for any lapses). If he teaches meditation, he should meditate. If he insists that his followers live in austere conditions, so should he. 6.Takes the credit for a particular meditative or healing technique: The fact is that meditation and guided visualisation work. Anyone doing them will experience major changes, benefits and realizations. The false guru will try to own or trademark particular methods and techniques so that she has something unique to attract followers. And she will hijack the effects of meditation as the guru's blessing rather than each individuals natural potential. Often the students or followers are forbidden from divulging the techniques to maintain a sort of intellectual property right, usually under the guise of needing the technique to be taught correctly. 7.Specifically gives satsang or darshan when it is not part of his culture: Darshan is when the disciples or students of a master line up and to pass their master, who is usually seated, with either a bow or traditionally kissing their feet (yes it does happen). In the East, this is part of their culture and a normal thing to do to show respect and reverence (even children will kiss the feet of their fathers). However, here in the West, such copycat behaviour is a strong indication that the guru is acting a role. Satsang, on the other hand, means literally the company of the Truth. In a deeper sense it is an affirmation of the Guru-Disciple relationship in Eastern traditions. But some Western gurus will use this terminology because they are playing a role. 8.Lives in total opulence: There is nothing wrong with living in luxury or being
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just realized that this whole discussion of a false guru is nonsense. Of what purpose are all these criteria? Are these to be used to select a guru? No, not as they are written. They are simply an attempt by a mind to position itself in relationship to a narrative it likes regarding gurus. They have an ideal guru in mind and compare and judge every flesh and blood guru to this one. It's really nonsense and no practical function. Just mind fluff (very sticky indeed!). The only way to see if a guru is of value is to involve yourself in their teaching for an honest amount of time. If it works for you, great, if it doesn't, move on. Buddha didn't disparage the teachers he studied with and found inadequate to his enlightenment. He just moved on. These teachers had a value for other people, not for him. MMY has had great value for many people. Many people still gain value from him. Many have moved on. It is what it is. To lock yourself into a conceptual model of a perfect guru is just silliness. Like wishing for the perfect mate or mother or father. A sign of psychological immaturity, isn't it? The false guru criteria have nothing to do with wishing for a perfect guru and disparages noone in particular. I find them to be a fairly common sense approach to evaluating the field of spiritual teachers. Every day as adults we make decisions and evaluations regarding health providers, politicians, investment advisers, potential mates, etc. Most of us have learnt through experience that all fields of life are populated with a mixture of the good, the bad and the ugly and everything else in between, and with experience we get better and better at distinguishing and noticing the tell-tale signs of each. I work in investments and can tell you that if someone is promising to double your money with no risk, or asking you to put your entire savings in some exotic venture with no risk disclosure document, or that ascended masters are actually in charge of the fund they're marketing, then those guys are false investment advisors. Believe it or not, lots of people don't know these things and could benefit from knowing these signs. What I find amazing on this list is the number of people who think that its okay to use your mind and adult common sense to evaluate everything in life, except gurus! - our minds can't truly fathom them, their actions and behaviors don't really tell us anything about them, there are no corrupt gurus, only gurus not right for us. This is no different than the relationship of fundamentalists with their bible or neocons with their Bush, when all of a sudden science and/or the facts are no longer appropriate. Sorry, but the bible, Bush, gurus, investment advisers, everyone are in the same boat. Of course, objective analysis of gurus or anyone will never be perfect, but by locking yourself into a conceptual model of gurus as uniquely outside the scope of human analysis is putting them into the perfect mommy and daddy sphere and is a sign of immaturity. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Tsunami was God's revenge for your wicked ways, women told
Earlier this year this group had posts arguing that the tsunami and katrina were Nature's punishment towards areas that had low consciousness. Similar type of thinking here: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,25689-1952823,00.html MARLUDDIN JALIL, a Sharia judge who has ordered the punishment of women for not wearing headscarves, was uncompromising: The tsunami was because of the sins of the people of Aceh. Thundering into a microphone at a gathering of wives, he made clear where he felt the fault lay: The Holy Koran says that if women are good, then a country is good. A year after the disaster which many see as a divine punishment, emboldened Islamic hardliners are doing their best to eradicate sin and women are their prime targets. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 7:35 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prez Carter (he of the faith-healing sister who was himself an evangelical Christian: http://www.alternet.org/story/18378/ ) was clearly an enemy of the TMO, so it's not much of a stretch to understand that he probably ordered the CIA to keep an eye on or destabilize the movement -- the CIA does what the Prez wants, from invading Cuba in the Bay of Pigs to destabilizing Chile, and Carter's animus towards the TMO is documented well enough in his meeting with Maharishi in the Georgia governor's office. Carter's new book on values has evangelicals up in arms as it contradicts all they preach. Carter is a devout christian but in a humanistic-good works not evangelical way. Of all the presidents in the past 40 yrs, carter is probably the least likely to want to spy on the tmo. PS - your history on bay of pigs is backwards - the CIA tried to trick kennedy into a full scale invasion of cuba via their own bay of pigs plan, then the CIA was furious when he didn't fall into the trap and left the initial force stranded. I'd like to see the text of the meeting in Georgia - I remember local TBs saying how antagonistic (animus is a jungian psychological term) larry king was towards mmy on his show a few yrs back, when king actually didn't ask one hard question the whole night. In fact I haven't heard anyone ask mmy a hard question in decades. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Different states of consciousness may lead to different levels of ethics. MMY's point about an enlightened person behaving in a life-supportive way has nuances: in CC, one doesn't act in a way that harms one's own evolution. In higher states, this holds true as well, but one's perception of what defines self becomes more encompassing and presumably one's behavior reflects this. I used to believe the above, but I doubt it now. I see our ethics as more a reflection of our internalized cultural practices and our own relative nature. We don't like MMY's business ethics, but, as has been noted in previous posts, this is how things are done in India. But on the other hand.. It's also how it seems to be done everywhere by tmers who have worked closely with mmy. A recent example in Canada being Governors Corp, headed up by former personal secretaries John Cowhig and his buddy and by tm-sidhis administrator greg wilson. They bilked millions from gullible investors, primarily tmers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test - CIA and TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How important we must be that the CIA and the KGB bothered with our little spiritual group...I guess we must have been on to something SO earth-shattering that these organisations took an interest in us. Yup. That's exactly my take on all this as well. The clinging to the notion that TM (and by extension, TMers) were important enough to spy on is nothing but self importance. Plus - I've met 4 or 5 certifiable paranoid psychotics in my life - all them felt the CIA was involved in their life somehow. Now if you think the NSA is spying on you since W came into office, then you're probably not crazy, just left-wing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test - CIA and TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly, I think Barry should reflect the internal dynamic that causes him to lash out at a calm and rational discussion of TMO history that may or may not have basis in fact. Wanting to continue to believe that TMers were so important that the CIA was after them transcends True Believerism. That is, even those who have rejected the TM trip still want to believe they were important. Except that, as I noted a few posts back, virtually everyone who wasn't explicitly aligned with the U.S. government suspected the CIA was spying on them. It didn't have anything to do with wanting to believe one was important, of course. To the contrary--it reflected the common judgment that the CIA was so insane it didn't know the difference between what/who was important and what/who was not. In other words, I suspect that the CIA, like 95% of the world's population, probably was unaware that something called TM even existed. The desire to believe otherwise is in the minds of those who thought TM was important and still want to think that, even if they're not involved with it any more. It was recently revealed that the Defense Department had compiled a list of groups it considered threats. Among them were a Quaker group and a vegan group. When *government* paranoia goes off the charts, as it did in the Nixon administration and now with the Bush administration, to be spied on by the government is a symptom of that paranoia, not of the importance of those being spied on. I think it's possible the CIA checked out the TMO in the 70s at the height of its influence - they check out lots of groups. The issue is whether the CIA conducted a large-scale infiltration with the purpose of destroying the TMO, as MMY claims, happened. That's getting into tinfoil hat territory I think. Plus at least 1 of the people MMY identified as CIA - Roy Bachmeyer - clearly wasn't. How many others did he point out?? Do any of them make any sense, what was that all about? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test - CIA and TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, but this is such bullshit I have to speak up. Anyone who was an activist back in the late 60s and early 70s might have suspected that *some* US government agency was monitoring their efforts, but almost no one (except, seemingly, Judy Stein) was crazy enough to believe it was the CIA. You see, back then (and now, although now the lines have been blurred by the Reagans and Bushes) the CIA was forbidden by law from investigating anything that was taking place in the United States. It *had* to concern itself with things going on outside the country. The FBI and the NSA handled internal security matters in the U.S. All of us who were activitists knew this, and so the thought that we were being monitored by the CIA would *never* have occurred to us. T'would seem that Judy missed that particular civics lesson during her paranoid 70s. :-) I think alot of people use the word CIA when speaking about any type of spying conducted by the US gov't, not distinguishing between CIA, FBI, NSA and the host of other agencies that have intelligence offices. The Church Committee held hearings in 75 revealing a host of illegal and unsavory spying activities by the US govt, including the CIA. This is another reason I doubt US govt spying on TMO after 76 - first the Church hearings was pretty successful in reining in dometic spying activities, and 2nd the TMO was already in decline in its influence Remember in the mid 70s, over 30,000 per month learning TM in the US; MMY on the cover of Time magazine; MMY and A-list celebrities on national TV; TM research in 1st tier science publications. Today, a cult-film director getting a room of students is considered big PR - Related issues: Why MMY hated Carter and blamed him for spying, but loved Reagan. MMY and TMO tendency to blame all failures on outside influences. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New disease in Scorpionland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sri. Brigante, if Britain is ScorpionLand, then, is America a Centipede-Land.?? Take India for example, One out of every 10 child in india is Sexualy abused. http://www.childrensrightsindia.org/Help_girl%20child.htm OriginalMessage- From: bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:12:43 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] New disease in Scorpionland The media is full of images and stories of Britain's increasing culture of heavy boozing - particularly among young women. Tony Blair has labelled it as a new British diseaseAnd if you're left thinking that my five-night-a-week binge was extreme, remember, it's only what 8.2 million people do in Britain every week. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4550362.stm A few girls throwing up in the streets at 2.00am is not good, bbrigante. But they don't carry hand guns. This is the 25th anniversary of John Lennon's death. We have nutters. They don't carry guns. Nobody does. (A tiny percentage of criminals do, I suppose). You have pushed out the boundaries of foolishness, bbrigante. You haven't a clue. Uns. Britain got on MMY's shitlist when blair got reelected, which upset MMY because blair supported the iraq war. Of course, bush and the US were the prime movers of that war (with blair-britain along for the allied ride), which means the US should really be at the top of the shitlist, which it isn't because the US is still supplying MMY with most of his million dollar course participants and Britain isn't. It's so embarrassingly stupid that people are actually thinking britain has suddenly become some evil country, cherrypicking negative stories from the mass media and ignoring similar stories from every other country in the world. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Denmark Wooow !! ( from the black list to heaven)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/2/06 9:28 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Different cultures define caring in different ways. The TMO's founder is Hindu, and charity work isn't always the top of the list for Hindus, I guess due to the reincarnation/karma thing. Amma's a Hindu, and it's at the top of her list. Karunamayi is a Hindu. She too sets up hospitals, schools, etc. Gandhi was a Hindu. The list goes on. But before Amma the best known humanitarian in India was Mother Theresa, a christian. There are exceptions, but I think the reincarnation - karma - caste - you deserve your suffering type of thinking is rather deeply ingrained there. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Denmark Wooow !! ( from the black list to heaven)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you've got the answer to all of life's problems (i.e. TM), why waste your precious time setting up hospitals and stuff like that? Better to spend yet another year of your precious time trying to raise billions from gov'ts for a variety of psychotic schemes like tearing down their cities? In fact the TMO itself spends very little time and energy trying to teach TM and hasn't for over 20 yrs now. And I'm not trying to be glib here. Assuming for the moment that you accept the premise that TM is everything it is claimed to be, why waste precious and limited resources on charity work like schools and food banks? Who in the world accepts what the TMO says at this point in time? If you do then you should come and work at MUM, the home of the solution to life's problems - and see how dysfunctional the place is!! Indeed, I would make the argument that the TMO is wasting precious resources with side issues like Vastu, Yagyas, NLP, etc. when you've got limited time, money and man power and you've got the solution -- TM -- primed and ready to get to the world's people... I think teaching TM is a good thing, but when I think about the TMO I'm reminded of this quote from Jung: Hysterical self-deceivers... pretend to be seekers after God in order not to have to face the truth that they are ordinary egoists. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Was Denmark - Now Strange TB Situation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You know what I find fascinating? The people on these forums who most vociferously defend the current prices that the TMO charges for TM would in most cases *not* be able to afford it themselves if they hadn't already learned it years ago. But they think it's Ok to charge the newbies that much. Go figure. Not only can't they afford TM, or most likely anything else now being sold by the TMO (sidhis, panchakarma, yagyas, s-ved houses, millionaire courses) but many of them would be kicked out of the TMO if they tried to be active. I assume Brigante's already been banned and many other TBs here have expressed opinions or admitted to other interests or discussed mental-emotional problems all of which would get them in deep hot water if they were actually in the mov't trying to be a devoted disciple of MMY like they think they are. I find this really strange. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Was Denmark Wooow !! Now MMY in Politics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I pretty much agree with you, but Maharishi said he had hoped to take over the political administration of the world, and apparently believed he could do it. Hence, the NLP. Another example of the danger of being isolated and surrounded by Yes men. On my TTC MMY said that if he ever became involved in politics, that we should know that it wasn't him. And hence the somewhat popular belief here in the mid 90s that when MMY had his heart attack he actually left the body and a new less enlightened and somewhat crazed guru-soul came in. To me this thinking is just a TB mind desperately trying to protet its belief systems in the face of contrary realities popping up. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Was Denmark - Now Strange TB Situation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's strange to me is the lack of young people in positions of influence (in the TMO). Why is that? I can only talk from my own experience. The Leaders in the TMO is so afraid of losing their position. They do not allow young people with fresh Ideas to come in position. Some years ago a group of very Devoted TM-Teachers highly respected in the Society, tried to rebuild the TMO to an effective organisation with a good administration. We did not come through with the National leader and the International TMO. We were treated like we were 6 years old and Mental Retarded and some Criminals. In some way, I can understand it. The Leaders have been in the TMO for decades - . They are not able to survive outside the TMO. So they are clinging to their positions whatever it may cost. Anybody know of any organizations that have been around as many years as the TMO in which the long-time leaders do *not* cling to their positions? Leaders always attempt to cling to their positions, but if you look at the CEOs of the SP500 you'll find that very few were around 10 yrs ago, esp in orgs that have experienced problems during that time. Today smart orgs have a very fluid management team. Of course this is not a very applicable comparison - the TMO being more akin to a privately held family business than a public corporation. But even family businesses will eventually bring in more effective outside management if it's felt that the next generation is too stupid to keep the business successful. BTW, the TMO ran pretty well in the 70s when there were older, real world experienced people in the upper echelons but tons of smart creative young people running the local and regional organizations. I wouldn't expect to find a lot of young people in high-level positions in the tmo or any org, but the total lack of them at lower level tmo positions is kind of striking. Other spiritual groups seem to have a lot more youthful juice flowing in them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ramana Maharishi's 4 Technologies of Evolution (was: The New Advaitins)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/4/06 7:06 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He was also hounded by the local sheriff last time he came, who tried to serve him with a soepena, but was somehow blocked by Lenny Goldman (the lawyer). I saw the sheriff try to find MMY in frat 151 to hand him a subpoena. I don't know if he found him or not. When was that? 1983/84? I think it was the Taste of Utopia course during the winter when it got so cold (-25F) That's right. Where were you when you saw the sheriff looking for him? I think he found him, but he never got face to face, because somehow the lawyers blocked him. I presume that was the subpoena from Robin Carlson. I was on security detail then too, lots of us on the lookout for the sheriff. Though Charlie Lutes was always upfront that is was the IRS that was the real reason MMY stayed out of the US at a certain pt. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you tell us more about the Purusha center in the Himalayas. It may turn out that one of the best things M. did for humanity was his secondary things: he brought together the best Ayurvedic physicians and had them work together, he helped begin popularizing the idea of Holistic architecture from a vastu-tantra perspective, etc. He also popularized an old idea: meditating in larges groups for a postive effect. Not his version of it is necessarily the one to follow, but his marketing brought it to a wider public audience. In the example of Ayurveda, he may have helped rescue it from oblivion. More and more graduates of Ayurvedic medical schools are switching to Allopathy upon graduation: it's more money for them. Now that Ayurveda is becoming more popular, that trend may change. In regards to governments, the effect may be the opposite--it tuned governments in to what cults can be like--the sad after effect is some governments might be reluctant to interact (or at least be MORE suspicious) of spiritual methods in general. MMY/TMO definitely know how to market. Maybe they've helped renew interest in vedic approaches to life, esp in India. Whether this is a good thing or not depends I think on the approach. Personally I've gotten turned off to most things vedic, based on my experience with m-ayurved, m-jyotish and the like which have seemed superficial, non-objective and expensive approaches to dealing with life's issues. Also, if India going vedic means turning anti-science and pro-theocracy, then I'd say it's a bad thing. I'm sure many people have benefitted from ayurved for dealing with imbalances and improving their daily routine. OTOH, recently another MD died from cancer w/o seeking medical treatment. I have no idea what the number is, but many hard core mov't types have died or at least experience lots of suffering due to the attitude that maharishi ayurved is all you need to treat health problems. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day - Now GReen TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't it awful that Maharishi has spent so long promoting healthy living, electric vehicles, solar panel factory in India, organic farming and greenhouses, and a balanced and nature-friendly lifestyle...oh, and I almost forgot..working for the last 50 years to create world peace, getting governments involved where he can, and, having pundits doing continual yagyas and oblations at spiritual sites around India, starting a highly sophisticated Purusha center in the Himalayas, bringing back the Vedic tradition in a systematized and sophisticated form in India. Is there ANY other teacher that has done this for 50 years?...and is not stopping in his late 80's ! ! ! OffWorld Maybe the TMO talked about electric vehicles at some pt - they've talked about most everything - but the above list of activities is not particularly representative of what the tmo has actually done. There is a small organic greenhouse operation here in ffld. Maybe talk about bigger operations will come through but so far that's just talk. There's also projects cutting down the rainforest in brazil and other forests elsewhere in the world. In the past MMY has drilled for oil in texas, marketing high-end silk dresses, and now used cars in india as well (at least one nephew is). Remember last year's big plans - enlightenment centers in malls. Real estate remains the main business of the tmo, but most everything has been tried, and being a green eco-friendly business has never been a prerequisite. Promoting his brand of spirituality has been MMY's most tireless and unending motivation which is impressive in its energy and committment. Lots of religious people today and throughout history have shown that kind of motivation though - and full time religious people conducting global businesses on the side while also getting involved in politics is nothing new - research pat robertson and rev. moon's operations which are much larger than MMY's. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
When I taught full time I never saw myself as selling mantras or some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a center, publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance lifestyle for me the teacher - plus of course giving about 1/2 to the parent corp as a franchise fee for its role in developing the product and conducting other support operations - at least that's the business angle on understanding the course fee for TM. In short you're charging for the cost of making tm easy and convenient for someone in the US to learn. I think that was fair when the cost was $75-$175 which it was when I taught. Now with the fee at $2500 or more, that whole model breaks down in my mind. PLus it seems directly contradictory to the impulse we had back then to spread tm as quickly as possible. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with authfriend here. I taught TM full time for a short while and supported myself doing so. I worked hard and deserved what I earned from it. It was just as much a job as anything else I could have done. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. Ridiculous. This is what it has been like since the beginning of time. No, that's what people who are trying to avoid working for a living have been saying since the beginning of time. Other groups have been teaching for free, paying for their teaching efforts themselves, for about the same period of time. The It's got to be paid for spiel comes from people who are too lazy to actually work for a living, and who want someone to support them so that they can avoid having to get a job like everyone else. In what sense are people who work for the TMO full time too lazy to work for a living? Historically, in both the West and the East, there have always been groups in which the teachers and monks worked for a living and paid for their teaching efforts themselves. It's just that the lazy fucks who'd rather be supported by people like you than work themselves didn't want you to know about them, and so told you the stuff you just repeated as if it were true. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for pseudoscience. In his case the prize was awarded for his experimental conclusion that 4,000 meditators at the Maharishi University of Management caused an 18 percent decrease in crime in Washington, DC. research which was later published in a peer-reviewed journal: Social Indicators Research, 47, 153201, whilst the sceintists who gave out the ignobel prize in 1994, have gone back to their teaching jobs, and are struggling to get any recognition or published work. Don't dis the folks who award the Ig Nobels either. They're exceptionally savvy and thoughtful people. The following quote is from Prof. Paul Meyers from U of Minn. in response to a question about an intelligent design guy who got a paper published in a science journal: Well, first of all, sometimes real crap gets published in peer- reviewed journals, and sometimes really great stuff has to struggle to get the approval of other scientists. It's not an absolute sine qua non of good research -- it's more of a stochastic thing, where what counts more is what kind of work snowballs into a lot of research... The whole shoddy affair illustrates why Intelligent Design creationism isn't science. They are scrabbling to put up a facade, but science isn't about words in a journal or a collection of degrees: it is a process. It's science if it is being continually tested, if there is research being done to critically evaluate the components of the theory. There is no research being done on intelligent design, nor can there be--there aren't any testable hypotheses in their proposal. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/6/95138/89017 It's good that tmo scientists try to get published, but the spirit of the whole effort seems to fall more under PR than science - and until at least one independent scientist is impressed enough by the maharishi effect research to begin the long process of replication, then it's still an proven theory. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya, was: Digest Number 4224
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/6/06 12:31 AM, steven klayman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM was a great starter technique, good for blood pressure, stress, etc. It starter millions on the path of spirituality. MMY did a great job. He said in 1974 when asked if he was the Maitreya that he was the predecessor to the Maitreya. So do you think Bhagavan (the diksha guy) is the Maitreya? Maitreya is some astral being's idea of a joke, yes? Most definitely an astral being having some fun - plus why can't humans get over the myth of some guy coming down from the sky to save them? Has never happened, never will. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha Sad Sacks...
purusha is moving out of its kaplan financed, resort-like digs today. now that the tmo is on its own in financing their lifestyle, 2 changes will take place - much more modest digs and more intense push for every single one to have full sponsorship, $1000 per month. MD moves to livingston manor today. Dear friends in the world, You can't see 3/4 of the universe, yet without it, the 1/4 you can see, would disappear. You can't see us, but without us, you would disappear. No wonder Maharishi calls Purusha the body of Brahman. No wonder Maharishi calls Purusha is the best thing he's ever done. You heros in the world need Purusha and we need you, NOW, more than ever. Helping us will help you in everything you want to do. A dozen of us have only a few days left to raise our monthly donations and stay on Purusha. Please go to www.Purusha.org and give yourself and the world a boost. And please mention me as the person who inspired your donation. Thank you and all the best to you in 2006 and beyond. Jai Guru Dev, To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ⪠ Visit your group FairfieldLife on the web.  ⪠ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ⪠ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid - ME, large numbers, $$$
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:20 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:29 PM, sparaig wrote: The ME theory is a large numbers theory. The crime rate of Fairfield could be skewed by having a single pickpocket living among the sidhas. For that matter, the traffic accident rate during the Taste of Utopia course could go up because the town's adult population more than doubled (tripled) during that time. To accurately measure the predicted claims of the ME, you would need a much larger statistical sample population for them to effect than Fairfield, IA, like Washington, DC. Just another TB rationalization to avoid accepting the obvious. Not real familiar with statistical principles, are you? Trained in advanced statistics...does that count? The variables he mentioned could be accounted for--and the TMO is certainly adept at number crunching and ambiguation. The fact that Crystal Meth is on the increase in the areas all around FF might be harder to hide. Maybe attracting factory Hog Farms is actually what CCP's do? Like mosquitoes to a light bulb? While the ME is an interesting hypothesis, that's all it really is at this point. Since repetition of these studies seems rather unlikely, it most likely will just remain fringe- or pseudo-science. But for some people it will be hard to let go of these dreams of glory daze and rising sunshine. The purported math behind the ME has been clearly expressed 10,000 times - the square root of 1% of any given population. That's not a large number theory - it means it's easier to achieve the effect for large populations that you would think because a square root is involved. When group program was established here it was always stated that it would have the greatest effect here locally - it was never stated that it would only have an effect nationally, and not any effect locally, due to some large number theory. So anyway, when did hagelin or anyone say DC was a big enough sample but not fairfield (or apparently any of the original 1% cities)? What exactly is the stated minimize size? It's all irrelevant anyhoo ... the tmo moved away from standard ME theory and into the miracle of pundits a long time ago, and is now moving away from the miracle on pundits and into rebuilding the world with east facing rectangles as the solution to all problems. Just listen to the jan 12 broadcasts and you'll see. Whatever you think of ME as a theory, it's on the way out in the tmo because the tmo raised a gadzillion dollars over the past 20 yrs and still didn't spend a fraction of it to establish a ME group that could have solved all the problems in the world according to ME theory. That's just raised too much doubt in people's minds for it to continue being a bona fide fund-raising approach anymore. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Eraserhead out on DVD
Out this week - the standard blurb says: Director David Lynch's feature-film debut is a masterpiece of the macabre and grotesque. Who would have ever thot this guy would become a major tmo spokesperson? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: WOW!! Dow breaks 11,000. Mahalakshmi very happy with America!!! - Now ??????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go Bush!! BTW, the SP500 is down 16% since Bush took office 5 yrs ago. You may want to double check with Mahalakshmi about her love for the US. From http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/funds/2006-01-08-international-funds_x.htm If the mutual fund industry gave out medals, international funds would have taken home the gold in 2005. In just about every category, international funds outperformed U.S. funds in 2005. It was the fourth-straight year that international funds have outperformed U.S. funds. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid - ME, large numbers, $$$
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a big-number theory as I have said. I believe they were talking in terms of 100 yogic fliers having a noticable effect on the surrounding population, which translates back into a minimum population of 1 million people as the smallest population size that one might expect to find a reliably measureable ME for. Fairfield had over 10% of its population - over 1,000 sidhas - doing group program for many many years. According to the ME theory, that's enough to influence 100 million, but even the immediate town of 10,000 and state of a few million were not influenced significantly. Actually the economy of the town turned south after companies like telegroup and globallink moved into new s-ved buildings and soon collapsed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: WOW!! Dow breaks 11,000. Mahalakshmi very happy with America!!! - Now ??????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go Bush!! BTW, the SP500 is down 16% since Bush took office 5 yrs ago. You may want to double check with Mahalakshmi about her love for the US. From http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/funds/2006-01-08-international- funds_x.htm If the mutual fund industry gave out medals, international funds would have taken home the gold in 2005. In just about every category, international funds outperformed U.S. funds in 2005. It was the fourth-straight year that international funds have outperformed U.S. funds. I see Germany is doing real well with over 10% unemployment, thank God we don't have that socialistic crap here, but you liberals keep trying and before long the entire country of America will look like Californiathat is, totally broke, thanks to the Democrats. Democrats are sociopaths, clear and simple!! (A little ad hominem for you) I was simply refuting your post that implied the US stock market has recently been singularly blessed by the gods, which is not true. I was not intending to be pro democrat or pro Germany. That your response to the facts I presented is to declare that about 40% of the US population are sociopaths is either interesting or scary. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] India - Economically beneficial boys
From Canada's Globe and Mail: According to British medical journal the Lancet an estimated half a million female fetuses are aborted in India every year by parents who want more economically beneficial boys. The Globe and Mail says that this translates into at least 10 million 'missing girls' since ultrasounds and other sex-selection tests became available two decades ago -- a striking example of modern technology facilitating age-old prejudices. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060109.wxabortion09/BNStory/International/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 12, 2006, at 12:07 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 1/12/06 10:57 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 12, 2006, at 11:39 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the primary teachers, Geshe Michael Roach, has declared that he has taken a (sexual) consort. He has also claimed a certain degree of realization. Quelle horreur! Well the reason there is a controversy has to do with the fact he is a monk and has not disrobed. However...for a yogin in this path if he has mastered the creation stage of meditation to the point where he no longer has impure vision, it's not a problem. It will be interesting to see what happens there. Maybe this excuses Maharishi's behavior? I don't believe M. was performing anuttara-tantra completion stage practices. The consort would have to be doing the same, possess similar realization, not just be a victim. Plus the buddhist guy is public about it, nothing secretive. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new MAPI catalog: Raam Raj Production
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just received a catalog in the mail from MAPI. It sells organic cotton clothing and bedding and the brand is called Raam Raj clothing. In large letters onthe front cover it says: Raam Raj Production. There are no pictures of MMY anywhere, although the return address on the back lists Maharishi Ayurveda Products International in Colorado Springs. This different than the usual MAPI catalog with the herbs and vitamins and Amrit. The prices seem typical for organic cotton items, maybe a bit high - $64 for a woman's cable knit organic cotton sweater, $46 for men's pajama set, and $56 for a man' s button down poplin shirt. Everything was made in India, but the designs are simple, solid colors like a conservative, simple Land's end product. Far as i know, its legit, at least in the sense of being a TMO- affiliated thing. The clothing line has been sold in all the MAPI stores for some time. I'm curious why is this an issue? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new MAPI catalog: Raam Raj Production
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just surprised to see a TM-related item without pictures of MMY. Perhaps MAPI has been selling things without the photos for some time, but I never noticed if they have. Except for a small print return address spelling out Maharishi Ayurveda Products International, this catalog had no references to anything having to do with TM or any of the jargon, photos or gold embellishment that go with it. It is mainstream. MAPI is run quite sanely - though the prices are still tmoish - too high. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy January 12th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Letter from Mother Divine lady: snip to A glorious capital is being established there in the center of India to radiate an influence of peace to the whole world. Pictures of plans for this new Capital were extremely inspiring and beautiful. Doesn't this just say it all? Pictures of plans are considered inspiring, while the reality (having to beg for money to pay for being moved into a trailer park in Iowa and forgotten) is completely ignored. Whatever else you can say about Maharishi, he always did have a talent for attracting Class-A suckers and keeping them on the line. One gets the feeling that not only do these women believe that something will actually be built in India, but that they will get to live there sometime later in the incarnation. snip I bet in about 10 yrs the tmo will be marketing some kind of program to ensure an auspicious birth next time around. Most of us started when the central teaching was that tm was all that was necessary and a 5 yr plan for CC was the timeframe. When that didn't work then other techniques were added, and when we weren't levitating after a couple yrs as predicted, then of course it was due to our impure western bodies and so ayurved was added, and then when sidhas still kept dying, then yagyas were needed to remove bad karmas, and then other things leading up to the prime importance of which direction you faced walking inside your home. As the bulk of tm baby boomers reach retirement and the faithful's dreams of enlightenment remain in the distant future, then they'll have to sell something for next time around. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Mad Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/2006/01/maharishis-mad-money.html Here's my favorite line from that site: We don't know what they're smoking over in Fairfield, but we want to get us some. It's got to be radically psychotropic shit to have them talking to the press like that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At a time when the nation is highly influenced by religiously conservative politicians, I'm surprised more people don't take the tack Steven Druker does below: ask these people to reconcile their policies with their religious beliefs. When I read the 1st sentence of the editorial, I assumed the spiritual pollution caused by factory pig operations was a reference to the destruction of communities, family farms, and other humanitarian concerns and not a reference to the breaking of archaic old testament laws. Addressing humane treatment of animals is good and appeals to most people (though less than avg in rural areas), but I'm not so sure that upholding the laws of torah are a big concern here. Probably less than 10% of the 142 jews who live in Iowa know what they are. Regarding the more numerous fundamentalist christians, the Old T declares both sodomy and eating shellfish to be abominations, right in the same paragraph, but for some reason the fundies still line up for all you can eat night at Red Lobster, so they're rather selective in what they get upset about, and I don't think the welfare of pigs is high on their list. PS: When Druker says and it's high time those who seek to serve the Lord on Earth woke up and did something about it, is he referring to MMY, King Tony, Jesus Christ, or someone else? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go Steve! What a great Op-Ed piece. Absolutely brilliant using the Bible to ground a moral argument. Love to see what a Fundie can say in response. A fundie will simply offer a different interpretation. If the Bible were so plainly and obviously cut'n'dried in its meaning, there wouldn't be thousands of different sects all claiming to hold the truth of the same book. I doubt anyone will take Steven Druker's argument seriously, especially considering the money that's at stake. Alex Absolutely right - fundies see the Bible giving them unique dominion over the earth and all creatures on it. American fundies are stridently opposed to environmental and animal rights and equally in favor of all things free market, like factory farms. The anti-factory farms lobby should be quoting hard facts about how these farms affect nearby communities, not the old testament. The editorial will be dismissed as just more spiritual weirdness coming out of fairfield by most iowans. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] royal decree #21
Guruphiliac quotes king tony's royal decree #21 here: http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ So what are the first 20 royal decrees about? Anyone have a link? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: royal decree #21
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guruphiliac quotes king tony's royal decree #21 here: http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ So what are the first 20 royal decrees about? Anyone have a link? I don't even know what *this* one is about. :-) It's nothing but a string of buzzwords and buzzphrases that don't mean a damned thing except to someone who has been brainwashed for years into thinking that they do mean something. I would suggest that this level of bullshit-slinging should smash the lingering hopes of many here that underneath it all King Tony might be sane and that better days might be in store for the TMO after Maharishi's death. I seriously doubt there are many here who have any such lingering hopes to be smashed, Barry, don't you? On the other hand, given that MMY is still alive, it's not clear why Tony's going along with the standard bull tells us anything about what he's going to do once MMY is gone. I think there are 2 types left in the inner circle: (1) TBs saturated with kool-aid, and in some cases with actual mental problems, who whole heartedly support the craziness now and will after MMY dies, and (2) more realistic types who are waiting for their chance to raid the coffers and take over the business side of the TMO after MMY dies. What I hear is that king tony is a figurehead without any real power, signatory rights, or line authority in the org. He'll preside over public events but won't be a mover and shaker. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:00:01 -0500 To: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Conversation: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth Subject: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth snip This strikes me as a strange group for the West. Unlike Thailand or India, we have no tradition here of directly supporting monks. And unlike the traditional monks like the Benedictines, aligned and supported by the Catholic church, these guys have to beg regularly to support their lifestyles, living in poverty, and for what? It seems like a very strange thing to put oneself through...building castles in the air. They are not living in poverty though. The accomodations are very high class, I imagine the food also is expensive organic food. They may not have alot of cash, but compared to alot of America, they live quite nicely and the lifestyle is not too rough. I would not equate poverty with lack of cash entirely. It was certainly not poverty in NC -- multi-room suites in a luxury resort type setting, working a couple hours a day. But that was with kaplan support. Typically MMY takes 50% off the top of all mov't projects, so out of the $1000 each purusha has to bring in each month about $500 will go to MMY and $500 to support the purusha. That will mean a drastic decline in quality of living conditions, ie. moldy livingston manor or a relatively nice place in lower cost of living India. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you familiar with the movement's search for the elusive substance M and what M. said about it? Is that the substance that was said to be found in the bloodstream of TMers and suggested to be Soma? If so, they were very excited about it at one point, but nothing ever happened with the research, as far as I'm aware. What does that have to do with quantum mechanics, exactly? They spent a lot of time identifying a mysterious substance in the bloodstream of sidhas but not found in controls. Obviously it had to be related to soma or some such thing - I heard rumour that MMY talked about bottling it for instant E - but finally it was determined to be related to the metabolism of sesame oil - sidhas were just absorbing sesame oil through the skin. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote: OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to listen to it again. The fallacy Wilber is talking about doesn't have anything to do with TM's claims. Perhaps you also need to review what TM claims, for that matter. No that's all right, it's pretty clear to me. For example he says in regard to the popular movie What the Bleep which prominently features John Hagelin making some typical but rather wild (TMO type) claims: For example What the Bleep Do we Know, I would say that more or less every actual assertion they make about physical realities, meaning quantum realities and their relationship to spiritual reality is categorically FALSE. Well, again, we'd need to know what Hagelin actually *said* in the film, and what Wilber means by *more or less* every assertion. If that vague statement makes it all pretty clear to you, I'd say you're rather easily satisfied. A few of the more respected, non-Ramtha scientists in the Bleep distanced themselves from the film after it opened saying their remarks were edited in such a way as to distort their true purport. Hagelin did not distanced himself, in fact he subsequently went on a tour with other people in the film to promote it. Doesn't seem like hagelin has any problem with the film's science. Most interesting to me is that this is one of the guys who led the charge in ffld in the mid 90s against other teachers popular in town, writing an editorial in the local paper saying MMY's teachings are the only ones that are 100% vedic and life-supporting and MUM had a responsibility to protect meditators from other teachers. Also said MMY was giving out PdD level knowledge in spirituality, while these other teachers (ravi shankar, gangagi, etc) were giving kindergarten classes in spirituality. Funny that this guy has no problem aligning adn touring with something as flaky as the Ramtha group. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:17 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sad really--such incredible potential Hagelin had. No guru should be allowed to destroy someone's career. snip And let's please remember that John Hagelin is an adult, and as such, responsible for his choices. It reminds me of people who get scammed due to their greed. The question I'd ask myself is, what did Hagelin think he was getting out of this, and why? It would seem he sold his soul for proximity and access. It certainly wasn't a career move :-). Maybe his reputation within the theoretical physicists community has been damaged, but is that such a big deal. Hagelin gets paid well, gets lots of attention, esp female, within the movt and now new age circles, gets into flaky films, had TBs thinking he could be president. For an academic he's had a colorful career. The lost potential that pisses me off is Doug Henning, a genuinely gifted creative genius who was a bona fide celebrity influencing millions of people with his wonderful shows on stage and TV. He wasted all those years in the prime of his career on a typical unachievable mov't project and then dies almost in obscurity. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:52 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote: Maybe his reputation within the theoretical physicists community has been damaged, but is that such a big deal. Hagelin gets paid well, gets lots of attention, esp female, within the movt and now new age circles, gets into flaky films, had TBs thinking he could be president. For an academic he's had a colorful career. Being a TMO celebrity would probably be more fun than being a physicist...esp. with the groupies--young yoginis. I wonder how much he gets paid? In their public filings, nonprofits must list their 3 highest paid employees. In the last one I saw, Hagelin was listed at $120,000. In addition he has his Institute which I think is another source of donations-income. I assume he has a mov't credit card like most higher ups. I don't think this is outrageous pay for what he does, but it's much better than most tmo devotees and at least matches what he could have made had he pursued a standard academic career path. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- Now Nutcases
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig wrote: Someone died because they didn't have policies in place to handle that kind of person I understood the policies were indeed in place. The people implementing the policies didn't see the danger. They thought their actions in accord with the policy were adequate. Either way, they'd never had experience with a violent nutcase on the MUM student body, or at least not THAT violent. MUM has had to regularly deal with nutcases on campus since the sidhis came out - sidhis plus rounding has been bad news for lots of psychologically marginal people on campus. Lots of paranoid fantasies in particular, including threatening letters, lots of CIA conspiracies keeping soul mates apart, attacks by subtle bodies, you'd be amazed at the stories over the yrs. Lots of violent fantasies but not actually acted out until Sem. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] India - child abuse
Is this India's hidden shame? THE fact that a kiss in a Bollywood movie causes widespread scandal in India is a gauge of the generally repressed attitude towards human sexuality there is in the country. But does, what in the west would be judged as over the top prudery, disguise a much more sinister reality? For example some studies have suggested that the country may have the highest incidence of child sex abuse in the world. (snip) http://www.theasiannews.co.uk/heritage/s/191/191793_is_this_indias_hidden_shame.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Love on his new album
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/1/06 6:52 AM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] There is that kind of love, and I've re-recorded that for a CD I've been working on over the last couple of years with Paul Fauerso, who is a teacher of TM and professor of music in Fairfield, Iowa at Maharishi University of Management. He's not there anymore, but that's how we met, through TM circles. Where is Paul Fauerso now? I think they moved back to Josie's home town, San Antonio OMD, Mike Love produced by Paul Fauerso - potential for a diabetes inducing over the top cutsie sweetness CD. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Love on his new album
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see this interview was conducted by one Chris Attwood. I worked with a man of that name at Newcomb Government Securities in Fort Collins in the early '80s. (That was Larry Price's company, which he stocked with TMers for a spell.) I wonder if the Chris Attwood I knew then is the same guy interviewing Mike Love for a publication called Healthy, Wealthy -n Wise? Chris was a very upbeat, positive fellow. Back then we had a nickname for him that we didn't use to his face. We called him Bubbles. Rick Losoff cracked us up after program one day by quietly singing just the title line from the song, I'm forever blowing bubbles. Chris lived in ffld for a long time. His ex wife, Janet Attwood, also has an article in this publication, of which she is cofounder. http://www.healthywealthynwise.com/article.asp?Article=4048 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Non dual boyfriends
From Adventures of a New Age Traveler by Mariana Caplan Jake, if we are going to hang out together I need to feel like you're really here with me and not always so detached, I opened the floor. But who is the `you' who wants to hang out with the `me'? I am the me and you are the you! There is no difference, so we can never really be apart or together#61630;it's all the same. You're full of shit. But who do you think is the `me' that is full of shit? I think it is YOU! Who's getting angry? I'm getting angry. Look into my eyes, what do you see? You. Look more deeply. Now what do you see? I see a lonely man who thinks he's enlightened. Extremely frustrated and teary-eyed, I walked away and sat on a log by the stream trying to figure out why it was so important to me to try to get through to him. Why did you come all the way over here to cry? he sat down beside me, fully believing in his own innocence. I looked at him with that end-of-the-relationship look in my eye. Because there is no one there to hold me if I cry, and I'd just as soon cry alone than cry with nobody. And in this way came and went a couple more Zen boyfriends. Yet in the end, I blame not them but myself. For as distant, arrogant, righteous and terrified as they were, it was I who sought them out, I who tried to open them in the ways I wanted them to be open, and ultimately I who recreated my childhood pattern of not feeling loved by eliciting the same response in my relationships. I could have just dated a nice Jewish boy after all. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: An auspicious beginning
If purusha had arrived in July and an ice lingam appeared, then I'd be impressed ... but not in the dead of winter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Anthony Antimuro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anthony Antimuro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/31/2006 1:27:43 PM Subject: FW: An auspicious beginning Dear Friends, Purusha has landed in the Land of Wholeness¸ as Maharishi is fond of calling Holland. There is a strong sense in the group that coming to be with Maharishi at this time is a very significant step forward in our evolution. And indeed the signs for it are very auspicious. Normally when Maharishi invites a group to be with him, he lets them rest a day or two to recoup from travel fatigue. So I was surprised when the message came on the day after we arrived that he wanted to meet with us. We are in bungalows in a resort park just 15 minutes drive from MERU. I was one of the first to arrive at Maharishi's magnificent wood house. It turned out he didn't call for us to meet with him, but to come see something that had appeared: an ice linga, the form of Shiva, the aspect of Silence within Natural Law. Purusha is that Silence within Natural Law so it is correlated with Shiva. The ice linga had appeared on the second floor ledge of Maharishi's house near where he has his living quarters. If you have seen a picture of his house you would have noticed a prominent sun room in the center of the second floor above the entrance. The linga appeared just to the left of that room. To see it, we actually went upstairs into the sun room, a very kind invitation that few have ever had the privilege of seeing. Gareth Wallace, who has an office downstairs, said he had never been upstairs. What makes this linga so unusual is that it appeared at all. Nothing like it had ever appeared on the house before. There was no snow on the roof, and no gutter from which to leak a drip. But there was a slight drip coming off the beam above. From where did so much water come? One could only guess. It seemed highly unlikely that enough water could have leaked under the roof and run off the beam, but somehow it did, making it all the more mysterious. At its highest the linga was about 14-15 tall. When we arrive late in the afternoon it was about half that. It was not clear ice but frosty white, and perfectly shaped as lingas seen in stone. The pandits had done puja to it so there were some flower petals around it. When Maharishi was told that the linga had appeared, the first thing he asked was if Purusha had arrived, and was told that yes, they had just arrived. So he took it to be a very auspicious sign that Shiva would give the blessing of an appearance at the time Purusha arrived. A VERY good start. Jai Guru Dev, Steve Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: F1 to H1 ---- WAS: some queries regarding MUM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, object_programmer object_programmer@ wrote: Hi, I have applied for MUM and they said I will be receving I- 20 soon. I have some queires before taking up visa interview. After starting with MUM for how many months I have to be there in their campus. If I get a job soon will they allow to me start the job or there is specific time period to spend in MUM campus. If I start a job how about visa. I will be on F1 and how can we change to H1. Do we need to leave US and come back again on H1. The other thing is I visited this grouop - FairfieldLife. I was surprised to see the messages here. All talk about spritul things. Is MUM a temple or what. Do we have to pray in their ways. Durintg TM tecachings do we have to say some prays like 'OM..OM..' etc. Do we have to bow in front of somebody or pictures. Please clariy and thanks in advance. Regards, OP snip He just wants to get a job and convert that F1 visa into an H1 visa. It may serve that end just fine. The central attraction of the MUM computer science program is that it leads to foreign students getting a work visa. From what I can tell it serves that purpose well, esp for foreign students who can't get into a better US school. This program is the financial bread and butter for the university right now, keeping it afloat. Who would have thought 20 or 30 yrs ago that US work visas, not meditation and consciousness-based education, would turn out to be the special attraction of the university? Especially visas for the US, a country that MMY alternates between praising and damning every few weeks. What I hear from a prof in the program is that most of the foreign students enjoy meditating, which they have to learn, but don't get too heavy into the whole TM cult-ure scene on campus. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mother Divine in VC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from today's http://www.ffledger.com : Mother Divine group occupying houses built for Indian pundits By Lacey Jacobs, Ledger staff writer 02/06/2006 For a complete story, read the Feb. 6 Fairfield Ledger. ** These 100 ladies will be occupying about 40% of the rooms in the trailer park -- rest could be used for Purusha, or maybe it will be a regional residence course center. MD is occupying the entire campus. The trailers are set up as 2 bedrooms w/a bathroom in the middle. Each woman gets a 2 room, 1 bath suite - sharing a bathroom would be unacceptable. The top ladies will have to get a bigger situation to distinguish themselves, at least a 4 room, 2 bath setup. Plus trailers are needed for the kitchen and dining hall, not yet built, and for meeting rooms. So the campus is full, and no way MD would allow anyone else to share the campus, certainly not purusha in such close proximity. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mother Divine in VC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: The top ladies will have to get a bigger situation to distinguish themselves, at least a 4 room, 2 bath setup. Excuse me? No *wonder* the TMO is so fucked up. So the campus is full, and no way MD would allow anyone else to share the campus, certainly not purusha in such close proximity. Ditto. Compare and contrast to, say, Catholic or Buddhist monks who live in poverty, work all day to support themselves and their monasteries, and do most of that work out on the streets, dealing with the Great Unwashed. And if you've ever known any of them, you know the difference in conscious- ness that type of reclusive lifestyle produces, compared to the one you've described above. The latter strikes me as elitism squared. Actually the situation for MD in vedic city is much less comfortable than what they had in NC. Now they have 2 relatively small rooms in cheaply built trailers in a brown Iowa field. Their living situation seems OK to me - what bothers me is the constant pressure to raise sponsorship funds and the social hierarchy that results, clearly distinguishing aristocratic rich ladies from the poor unfortunate lower classes. Sounds more like a Masterpiece Theatre presentation of 19th century London than a spiritual community. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mother Divine in VC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you're all a bunch of commies, and hypocritical ones at that. People who have money tend to have more clout than those who don't. They live in bigger houses, etc., etc. That's just the way the world is, so why single out MD for criticism? That's my point, MD functions the same as the normal material world, esp victorian britain - just pointing out the contrast from their PR which places them above the world, a utopian spiritual community. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/7/06 10:24 AM, markmeredith2002 at markmeredith@ wrote: Their living situation seems OK to me - what bothers me is the constant pressure to raise sponsorship funds and the social hierarchy that results, clearly distinguishing aristocratic rich ladies from the poor unfortunate lower classes. Sounds more like a Masterpiece Theatre presentation of 19th century London than a spiritual community. And MD is much more hierarchical than Purusha. The richer ladies actually have servants, which they euphemistically term assistants. These are other MD ladies with less money. Wow. Compare and contrast to Bono's speech, recently posted here, and its quiet reminder about the least of these. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mother Divine in VC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. And some people like being poor. And African-Americans really liked slavery too--just think of all the watermelon they could eat, just like it says in Gone With the Wind. Sal On Feb 7, 2006, at 11:24 AM, feste37 wrote: The assumption seems to be that a utopian spiritual community would not have such distinctions, but why not? Why does everything have to be equal? Perhaps the MD assistants enjoy the service they offer to the richer MDs. Some people like to serve others. The MD servant assignment isn't voluntary, it's based on finances. Personally I like service, which is one reason I've moved away from the tmo and towards other spiritual paths. I'm not trying to liberate the oppressed MD servants - if they think their spiritual path is to iron the silk saris of rich, manipulative, mood-making princess diana wannabees, that's their choice. I guess it comes from the hindu caste system philosophy, though when you see the MD thing in practice it feels more like the british upstairs-downstairs type of thing. I just think the complex and strictly enforced MD hierarchial structure would make an interesting sociological study. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mother Divine in VC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Well, it's hard enough trying to live a spiritual life without also having to turn oneself into a socialist! For myself, I think I prefer situations in which I can offer some service, rather than being the one who receives the service. It seems to offer more opportunities for personal growth. I remember reading the novel The Remains of the Day (the one that was made into a film some years ago) and being struck by how the butler described his calling. It 'seemed very much like a master-disciple relationship in which the person finds complete freedom through service. There is no sense of injustice that this person has much more than I do and therefore the situation is unfair and I am going to secretly resent it. It's another level of thinking altogether. Yes, it is. It's odd how service is often touted here as the ultimate spiritual path, yet this path doesn't seem to encompass the *servant* role, which is perceived to be degrading and humiliating. It's as if service is noble only if you're so well off you could choose not to engage in it. So much for the dignity of those whose means require them to perform humble tasks, I guess. If they're not feeling degraded, they *should* be. * My guess is that the only way that the assistants/servants to wealthy MD can be on the program is to do these lightweight jobs for wealthy members, which sounds a lot less degrading (let's see, having to iron the occasional sari in exchange for 8 hrs of TM a day, with comfortable quarters and great food, not bad), than having to rub noses with the ignorant masses in a real job where it's a struggle to do two TM-Siddhi programs a day... Yeah, MD servants don't really work all that hard compared to most regular people. If I were in that situation, I'd rather do service than constantly bs donors to keep the monthly checks coming in order to save the world. My gripe is that the foundation for the MD feudal structure is not SERVICE, it's MONEY, and the belief system there that RICH = Support of Nature = More Enlightened = Get to Act like a bitchy Queen. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Anti-GMO Activist Barred Entry into US by Bush Admin.
NEW YORK - French farmer Jose Bove, a prominent protester against genetically modified food and agricultural free trade, has been denied entry into the United States, officials of an event he was due to address said on Thursday. Bove arrived at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport with a valid U.S. entry visa on Wednesday afternoon but was detained for several hours and later returned to Paris, according to William Kramer, a spokesman for the conference. This is ridiculous, this is illegal, you're violating his free speech, Kramer said. He said calls to the U.S. Immigration Department and to the Department of Homeland Security had failed to secure an explanation. U.S. immigration officials were not immediately available for comment. On Friday, Bove was to deliver an address titled The Struggle Against Monsanto in Europe. U.S.-based Monsanto Co. is a major manufacturer of genetically modified seeds. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11255815/from/RSS/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/10/06 10:45:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] com writes: The booing of Trent Lott was far from exaggerated, I saw it and heard it and it wasn't just a few. It was loud and rude. The sound was turned up on the clips to exaggerate it. Those who were actually *there* at the rally are very clear that it was just a few people. Nice try again Judy. I saw it live and it was shown on different stations and they were all equally loud. If one turned up and distorted the volume to sound like more, then they all did it, which is a little too much for me to believe. Oh, please. Of course they all did it, just as they all did it with the Dean scream, simply because it makes a better story. Fox News has been showing a clip a black preacher speaking at the service with the sound edited out and then commenting on how no-one applauded the guy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles angels on earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 14, 2006, at 5:50 PM, Rick Archer wrote: That's the first allegation I've ever heard that the Beatles were doing drugs in Rishikesh. Cynthia Lennon said they were drug- free there and doing better than ever. Yeah, it's bizarre. While I would be surprised if GH did NOT love MMY, something about this article seems odd--like it was planted. I've seen similar things with the TMO--trying to change the past thru misinformation or revision. Oh, sure, if the TMO wanted to plant misinformation to make itself look good, Deepak Chopra is definitely the person they would ask to be the vehicle, yessireebob. Very astute guess there, Vaj. The article describes Chopra as an erstwhile disciple of the Maharishi and a close friend of the Beatles, spiritual master Deepak Chopra is probably one of the few people who knew the real story - the entire sentence is absurd. Plus the idea of MMY kicking out the Beatles goes against everything that's come out from everyone there who's given first hand reports, both pro-Beatles and pro-MMY people. The article is propaganda. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - Sidhis Health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/15/06 12:36 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/14/06 5:16 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: When you look at the long term sidhi-practicing community, do you see a significantly above avg healthy group, physically and mentally??? Well, yeah, actually, you do. You haven't been to Fairfield lately. And what does this mean? I haven't done, and am not qualified to do, a statistical analysis, but the meditating community here has it's fair share of death and disease. My guess is that the sidha community is about avg or slightly higher in terms of death and disease but much higher in terms of mental and emotional problems - look at all the sidhas in town on disability insurance and increasing numbers on medication now that the stigma against that has lifted. Can't believe anyone that actually lives in Ffld still parrots the propaganda that the sidha community is a uniquely healthy group of people. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone Just wanted to say thanks for setting up this site. I have found so many interesting things to read here I've missed my evening programme! And I live in a TM centre (tut tut) I have lived and worked for the upper echelons of the UK TMO for years and have been getting fed up with all the crap for ages, the end of the TMO in England and the growing obsession with money and the obvious non-existence (or ineffectualness) of the pundits pushed me over the edge and I really wanted to find out what was going on. TM is great I still really enjoy it and most of the people I've met are wonderful but I feel angry at the way so many are treated by MMY and his disciples. I would like to know the truth about how much money the TMO has and is there any evidence of MMY siphoning it of for his own ends? I estimate at least 200 million has been raised in the last few years and not much seems to have come of it, where are these pundits? Can anyone help? Hello to scopionland. Very difficult to track the $$, most of which seems to be going into offshore or Indian accts. In the US non-profits must file public financial statements. In the late 1990s the tmo non-profits had quite a lot of money on record, hundreds of millions - much was lost in the stock market crash of 2000-2001, some seems to have been transferred to tmo offshore accts, what remains is mainly in real estate. Supposedly Mr. Zimmerman who was sponsoring the pundit project in the 80s got skeptical and did some financial detective work and subsequently pulled out of the project and detached from MMY. Supposedly the Kaplans have also done similar detective work tracing the money to private indian accts. But none of these findings have been made public. Steve Briggs and a few others have filed reports here on their experiences in India, verifying several pundit projects in progress, though not as much as advertised. Talking to people coming back from yrs in India gives you stories of money being siphoned off by the nephews with estimates ranging from 20% to 75%. Some feel it's just the cost of doing business in India, others feel it's more sinister, others feel it's just well intentioned incompetence, some feel a sickly MMY is being scammed by indians, others feel he's being blackmailed by his family. Who knows exactly?? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles angels on earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip I also have the highest respect for Chopra, he's a fine man with great integrity IMO. Who allowed his name to be put on a book that was written by others? First, we don't know that's true about the ayurved book just because some mov't docs say so. Second, it's done all the time and it has nothing to do with integrity if that's how the contract between the parties reads. If it was done unethically in some way, it's an easy lawsuit for the real authors. It's well known Chopra used the santa fe ex-purusha guy to help write many of his original books. Chopra supplied him with an outline of each chapter for the book, the ghost writer writes the chapters, and then Chopra edits the final draft. Both parties were very happy with the arrangement. MMY blessed the arrangement so that Chopra would have more time to promote M-ayurved on the lecture circuit - so Judy should question MMY's integrity as well for encouraging it. (I got the above from a close friend of the ghost writer who seemed sane). I'm not a huge Chopra fan - I'd be more open to anti-Chopra ghost writing bashing if he didn't really understand the substance of the books, but it's clear from his seminars that he knows the stuff. PS - Who knows the details of how MMY and Vernon Katz collaborated to write the Gita?? Who tried to push the revisionist untruth that the Beatles were thrown out of MMY's ashram because they were doing drugs? The drug rationale has been around in the mov't for decades - it's a way for TBs to cope with the MMY-Beatles breakup, it doesn't jibe with 95% of what people who were there say. Chopra apparently heard it while in the mov't and passed it on at that time. How it got into a 2006 Indian article on the beatles is still a mystery to me? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles angels on earth - Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Bob B has a point. I remember reading one of Chopra's books and being shocked at how he used not only MMYs ideas but also MMY's exact phrases. There was not an original thought in the book, and yet nowhere was there any acknowledgement of MMY. I remember seeing somewhere later that he said he did this because, since he and the movement had split, he didn't want to embarrass them by mentioning MMY in his books. But that seemed to me a poor excuse. For me, it was a matter of proper acknowledgement of debts and sources -- what you would expect from any honest writer. Chopra is often described as a thinker, but it was MMY who supplied him with the thoughts that he later used to become rich and successful. He owes almost everything to MMY, in my opinion. I'm no Chopra fan, and I agree that he owes his success in very large part to MMY. However, I would be very surprised if the TMO had not *asked* him to avoid referring to MMY--if not *demanded* that he do so--because they did not want him trading on his past association with MMY to lend legitimacy to his own teaching. Chopra may not have any truly original ideas, but he has rather sharply departed from MMY's teaching in many respects, especially into the kind of New Age mood-making that MMY inveighs against (not that there isn't mood-making in the TMO, of course, but it's of a different sort). For him to claim that not mentioning MMY was his own idea is most likely untrue, but it would be unreasonable to expect him to admit it was because the TMO didn't want people to think Chopra's teachings had MMY's stamp of approval. So he's kind of between a rock and a hard place on this; he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. There would have been no successful marketing of Maharishi Ayurved to the general public without Chopra. MMY specifically recruited Chopra to supply the theoretical underpinings and medical creditials necessary to market M-ayurved. It's clear from most the tapes involving MMY and Chopra discussing ayurved that Chopra is the one coming up with the theoretical knowledge and the marketing catch phrases that people would relate to. Chopra's books and seminars were hugely successful in the US. In fact for yrs they were about the only thing bringing people into the centers to learn TM and into the clinics to do panchakarma. Who else in the mov't had the intelligence, medical credentials, and communications skills to reach real people like that?? MMY? Averbach and Rothenstein?? No way, they could reach Ffld sidhas, but not the average Joe. To me you're hopelessly biased if you think Chopra was not a very original thinker and the MMY-Chopra relationship mutually beneficial. Just how well are initiations and M-ayurved clinic visits going in the US since Chopra left the movt? Yeah all the original thinkers left in the mov't are doing a bang up job of accomplishing things aren't they? And what more could have been accomplished? Chopra was successfully putting together a high powered group of influential people to promote consciousness-based solutions in both medicine and other fields - admission to this group required a net worth of $100 million or being nationally elected politician. Chopra led retreat-seminars with them periodically. I knew people in DC in this group. No-one else in the movt had the ability to attract this caliber of individual. Chopra wouldn't allow Bevan to come speak to this group about getting Hagelin elected president in 1992 (for obvious reasons) and that was the beginning of the end for Chopra and the mov't. Now tmers bash Chopra as an unethical hack when he actually did more for the mov't than bevan and all his cronies put together. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/20/06 1:48 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the more blatant frauds have been: King Tony's House Pundit Trailers They come in under the catagory of 'eating your own young' JohnY Sorry I don't understand about pundit trailers and tonys house, I live in the UK are they scandals from fairfield, do tell I love a bit of gossip! $5 million was raised with a lot of hoopla and arm-twisting to bring pundits to Fairfield. I suspect Maharishi never intended to send them. Now Mother Divine is in the housing built for them, because they were kicked out of North Carolina, because the TMO alienated the Kaplans by misappropriating 10's of millions of their dollars. I think what has impacted Ffld the most isn't just that the pundit project didn't work out, but the continual stream of misinformation put out about their imminent arrival. Much of the $5 million was raised as monthly pledges which meant that the tmo had to maintain hope of pundits coming in order to keep the monthly donations coming. There was constant updates about progress on their visas, airplanes being leased to bring them here, then the pundits' mothers wouldn't let them travel due to terrorism in the US, then the amazing line that pundit visas were all done but now they needed visas for their cooks, etc. The best intelligence available from DC is that visas were never obtained for any of the kids, only some older pundits. I could easily understand not being able to get visas for a bunch of indian kids, but the constant stream of misinformation is what has turned most people off here. Now the line when the pundits arrive is used the same way most people say when hell freezes over. A million was raised to buy a mansion where King Tony would live, again with much hoopla and arm-twisting. He visited for 3 days a few years ago and hasn't been back since. Now movement mucky mucks like Bevan live there when they're in town. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/21/06 8:29 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/20/06 4:48 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your notion that MUM was always planning not to bring in pundits makes no sense at all. If the intention was to have a place for Mother Divine, the group that has moved into the VC trailers, then the contruction would have completely different, instead of designed to house pundits two to a room, with shared bathroom facilities. I agree with the above, but sometimes I think that Maharishi never intended to send them, and was just humoring Bob Wynne. Denise Denniston-Gerace's comment on this issue is that MMY wants to make Vedic City a major pilgrimage point in the USA for Hindus, so of course he wants the pundits there. True. I saw the rendering of an incredible temple complex that would cost hundreds of millions of dollars to build. It would be fine by me if it got built, but I don't know where the money would come from. I predict the plan to make vedic city, iowa a pilgrimage center for hindus will be even more successful than MMY's plan to make (doug henning's) vedaland more popular than disneyworld, though not as successful as his plan to make hagelin president. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TruthAboutTM.com - David OJ - Learning TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:29:42 -0800 Dear TM teachers and Sidhas, I recently heard that many people are not learning TM because they go on the Internet and read a lot of negativity. People are not learning TM because: the price is exorbitant; numerous beneficial competing techniques are now available; 99% of TM teachers have been decertified and not allowed to teach; recertified teachers tend to come across as culty to normal folks; local tm teachers are focused on real estate projects not teaching anyway; the tmo has generated much well deserved ill will over the years based on how it's dealt with people and other spiritual mov'ts. Negativity on the web is an insignificant factor on initiations IMO. In fact the TMO PR machine itself probably turns off more people with its press releases on kings, sat yuga, tearing down the capitals of europe, trying to sell $trillions in phony bonds, denoucing democracy, etc. etc. Does David OJ really think online chat among skeptics turns off more people to TM than MMY comparing Bush to Hitler and calling the entire country of England demonic?? Anyway, I'm glad David OJ is doing his website - hopefully it will stimulate intelligent discussion among scientists on the ME. IMO, his first job should be to inspire a genuinely objective scientific team to replicate one of the decent ME studies - until then no amount of statistical talk will neutralize skepticism about them. I am appalled at the ignorance and hostility rampant on the Web that has gone uncorrected. I intend to address these claims and shed some factual information on them on my new web site, which is called TruthAboutTM.com. This is material that we have developed over the years in dealing with these issues. As you will see on my Homepage, I am taking the stance of someone who is very familiar with the research and the TM organization, but who is no longer officially affiliated with it. My intention is that this will be a resource for you to arm yourself for dealing with these issues, and the place that you can direct others to, including reporters, who may want more information about any of these points. The web site addresses such issues as are all meditation techniques the same?, and the usual questions about cults, religion, court cases, and criticisms of the research. In addition, I intend TruthAboutTM.com to be a resource of the latest information on the research, including research on Transcendental Consciousness, Cosmic Consciousness, and the Maharishi Effect. The reader will be able to download: · Annotated Bibliography of the Collected Papers, Volumes 1-5, 430 papers Covering the Period from 1970-1990 · List of 219 papers on TM Research, 1990-Present · List of 51 studies on the Maharishi Effect, plus another nine review papers · List of 160 journals where TM research has been published · Summaries of key studies on the Maharishi Effect · and much more. I hope that you will have time to look over the web site, and to make suggestions, or to make further points, or to improve on any of the points. As you will see, it is a work in progress, which will probably go on for some time. But I felt that there is enough posted now that it could be useful to you, and I would appreciate your feedback. Jai Guru Dev, David David Orme-Johnson, PhD SeagroveArtist.com Click picture to see recent works. 191 Dalton Dr. Seagrove Beach, FL 32459 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 850-231-2866 home 850-231-9199 fax 850-830-5846 cell Davi d¹s Research: Orme-JohnsonResearch.net Rhoda¹s Real Estate: http://www.RhodaTheRealtor.com http://www.friendatthebeach.net Need a room for the night? Or a room for guests? Go to www.ARoomatTheInn.com or click on www.TheInnatSeacrestBeach.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Dome total numbers - Now Monarchy, Democracies, etc.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting how the descriptions I've read over the years of people living in a Sat Yuga, ideal society, prehistoric tribal culture, as one with nature, etc. government is nearly non-existent, and generally ascribed to a single benevolent chief, leader, high priest, or guru. Yet, during a Kali Yuga, such an arrangement is seen as the antithesis of fair and benevolent leadership, or good government, rather it is always associated with a repressive dictatorship. Descriptions of life in sat yuga or in ideal societies are religious fantasies and not a basis for making real life decisions about how to structure a gov't. Prehistoric tribal cultures are again by definition prehistoric (so not much known for sure) and tribal which means society based on extended family groups which are capable of being run by a benevolent council of elders - generally elders are benevolently disposed towards their descendents - and the size of the tribe is small enough to not require extended gov't. The kind of gov't the tmo seems to want -- monarchy under the strong influence of religion - did in fact exist for centuries and it's known as the Dark Ages. Democracy led the way out of the kali yuga of actual history. TBs will say but the old dictators weren't enlightened like King Tony and MMY, in which case I say leave the damn democractic society you're enjoying right now and give yourself full time, heart and soul, to the TMO and see how well your life goes (assuming you're not a multi-milionaire-aristocrat). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringo
Ringo - talk about someone with good karma. Not only was he invited to join a band with 3 musical geniuses in it but was asked to join after they had already finished paying their dues. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the collector's book, Postcards From the Boys by Ringo Starr (September, 2004): There was so much good music in Rishikesh. A lot of the guys wrote some good songs there - if nothing else, that was well worth it. In many ways it was also our first experience of being left alone, although the press caught up with us and photographed us leaving. But we did have plenty of time on our own. The bathroom was full of scorpions - these are just flash memories - you had to make a lot of noise before you went in. And that was that. I'm still glad I went and feel so blessed I met the Maharishi - he gave me a mantra that no-one can take away and I still use it. Ringo Starr Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thank for the Hog support
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's some heavy shit coming down the pike IMO, and I don't mean pig manure. Epidemics, earth changes, earthquakes, rising sea levels (flooded coastal cities), terrorist attacks, economic collapse, social turmoil. Thank God we've got an incompetent born-again alcoholic to lead us through all this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HA HA - A name and form joke
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is why he's devoted 50 years of his life, non-stop, to the TMO... Which is primarily a diversified real estate business with side ventures in offshore banking, agriculture, herbal supplements and used cars (look it up on varma's indian web site). Failed divisions include pundit education, women's dresses and taking over the world politically. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HA HA - A name and form joke
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is why he's devoted 50 years of his life, non-stop, to the TMO... Which is primarily a diversified real estate business with side ventures in offshore banking, agriculture, herbal supplements and used cars (look it up on varma's indian web site). Failed divisions include pundit education, women's dresses and taking over the world politically. WHy do you say that pundit education has failed? I was thinking of the empty rows of trailers up in vedic city. I guess there are functioning schools in India, though I'd say not much to show given all the money that's gone into it the past 20 yrs, starting with zimmerman's sponsorship in the 80s and going thru the millionaire courses. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news.....now studies
For example: Quote: Hagelin's study used time series analysis to rule out a long list of alternative explanations, including weather variables, seasonal effects, changes in police surveillance, and trends and cyclical patterns inherent in the crime data. http://istpp.org/crime_prevention/voodoo_rebuttal.html OffWorld. Assuming that this is the case, that still doesn't rule out some OTHER factor that wasn't considered, like I said... Yes it does. This is how statistical analysis works. It minimizes the probability that it is due to some other factor, than the one being observed. The raw data in the DC study did not show any statistical validity, so Hagelin adjusted the data by a heat factor arguing that the weather was hotter than avg and thus the crime rate should have been higher than avg. This is how he got his statistical proof. And this is why studies conducted by people with an obvious bias in the outcomeare generally not taken too seriously by scientific community as they typically massage the data and the type of statistical analysis used in order to get the conclusion they want. The maharishi effect is still waiting for an independent verification. When professors at the U of Iowa attempted to do, MUM refused to cooperate with them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news.....Now DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The raw data in the DC study did not show any statistical validity, Not so. Even the raw numbers showed a positive effect, overall. so Hagelin adjusted the data by a heat factor arguing that the weather was hotter than avg and thus the crime rate should have been higher than avg. That's not what he did. Yes it is. From the study: Average weekly temperature was significantly correlated with homicides, rapes and assaults (HRA crimes), as has also been found in previous research; therefore temperature was used as a control variable in the main analysis of HRA crimes. That means he adjusted the raw crime data by a weather control variable, specifically a heat factor. To determine the validity of this you need to know the details of that control variable and I can't find the complete study anywhere. I've been told by good sources at mum that the heat factor used to adjust the data is too high. This is in keeping with stories from many mum graduate students as to the pressure put on students and profs to come up with positive results -- the attitude is that we know what MMY says is truth therefore it's not wrong to massage the research in order to prove the truth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If I could choose my company the priorities would be the following: 1.Responsible, nonmanipulative, empathetic people, who are capable of being in a dialogue. Enlightened or not, no difference here. 2.Animals 3.People with character disorder 4.Enlightened people with character disorder ( a common receipt for gurus) Here's my evolutionary ladder: Big Bang Primordial soup Bacteria, viruses, algae Insects Fundamentalists Reptiles Enlightened gurus Fish Average humans Plant life Mammals Evolved humans Dogs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
Jerry Jarvis was tangentially involved in the St. Louis project and I predicted yrs ago that Bevan would try to shut it down to prevent a potential rebirth of Jerry as a mov't leader after MMY goes. PS - MMY wasn't at the Mahalakshmi broadcast yesterday indicating that he must be pretty ill. PSS - What if the tm masses started sending $25 donations to smart independent tm teachers like Farrokh who are actually conducting sensible, successful tm projects and jump start an alternative mov't to the one run by millionaire-financed bevan-rajas who are totally out of touch with reality. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My initator who taught me TM has worked in the TMO in India for more than 30 years. Being right there in india is a plus, but being full time in the tmo for so long is a negative for accurate understanding - we've all seen the incredible self-serving spin the tmo puts on events to cast blame on others when it was their own incompetence really at fault. He told me that some of Maharishi's schools were hijacked by the principals running them. Maharishi's name board was removed, and the schools were literaly stolen. Indian-TMO had to go to the courts to get the culprits evicted and get back control over the schools. Once, in late 1970's, my initatior was sitting with Maharishi in Delhi, a guy hijacked Maharishi's school. Maharishi told him on the phone that he will not pay him salary. This guy tells Maharishi to fuck off.!! I wonder how you hijack a school. Were the principals simply doing a little competent independent thinking? Probably there was some financial corruption involved too, though all reports from india that I've gotten is that the nephews are the prime recipients of the corruption. Maybe these hijacking principals were not going along with that. IN short I don't think there are any clear good guys with these schools, but a turf war among competing corrupt gangs. Maharishi gave an order that every initator be provided with a jeep, and also given pension scheme. As soon as Maharishi left india that order was completly ignored. Pension was deducted from the salaries of initators, but none of the retired or resigned initators have received pension or provident fund till date. We know how MMY gives different instructions to different people - maybe that's involved. MMY giving a jeep to initiators goes against everything we know about how he operates elsewhere. Maybe true but very unusual. I remember living in NOIDA during vedic science course and coming home one night to find pundits burning the tents, protesting not getting paid for some time. Sometime in the early 1980's, the Indian-TMO began to ignore virtualy every instruction given by Maharishi. It seems any little dissent or independence is promptly squelched in the US - how is india so different? I think Maharishi last visited india in 1992, He became very sick. He was very badly taken care of. Only Ayurvedic medicines was given to him and Maharishi was about to die.!! An intelligent brahmachari [forgot name] threw all these Jokers out, and bundled Maharishi into a Plane to Europe, where Maharishi received Allopathic treatment.!! He recovered and two years later, Maharishi and Tony Nader came out with the discovery of the 40 devatas manifested in the Human Physiology.!! He had a heart attack plus kidney failure. Probably the idiots on the scene tried ayurved, though that's not surprising given MMY's statements at the time concerning ayurved vs allopathic. He was eventually taken to Chopra's father, who was still a highly respected practicing cardiologist in new delhi, who stabilized him. Then Deepak (and probably this brahmachari) accompanied him to London for full allopathic treatment - conflicting stories as to whether he received bypass or just angioplasty. The fact is these Jokers almost killed Maharishi and providence saved him.!! Allopathic medicine saved him, and according to his former personal physician who now lives in DC, MMY has relied exclusively on western medicine, the best money can buy in both Holland and London, since then. Misappropriation and embezzelment of funds is rampant in Indian-TMO, comparable to corruption in Red-cross or United-Nations. This is definitely the word out of india, pundit donations going all over the place. The question is who is doing the embezzling. We know from the accounts of the personal secretaries involved that in the 70s MMY was taking suitcases of cash out of the US to Europe to Swiss banks, accounts in his name. It's a fair question to ask if this is still going on from India and if MMY's family are involved. I think sometime in the early 1980's, Maharishi began to lose his grip on his organisation. Paramahansa Yogananda handpicked a few people gave them intensive training, made sure they are top quality teachers before authorising them to teach Kriya-yoga. Though if you read the blogs and chat groups of that org. they are dealing with all sorts of scandal and disappointment. The masses can't stand the Mothers who are in charge. Maharishi made the mistake of mass producing too many half-baked initators by the thousands, and in the process lost control over the movement itself.! Look at the employee turn-over in the organisation. In Management principles, if a company has that kind of turnover something is seriously wrong with that company. Yes. I think in the past 15 years, Exc. Bevan
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
Kinda like losing various geniuses and other luminaries through the 40 million+ abortions performed in the USA since Roe v. Wade... 1. Studies have shown that women who have abortions early in life go on to have the same number of children they would have had anyway, but only at the time they want them. Roe v Wade did not significantly reduce pop. growth rate in the US. Affluence seems to be the major correlate with fewer number of children in a family, so according to the above logic we should keep the population poor so that they have larger families so that we have more luminaries. 2. The crime rate-abortion studies are not in any way a policy prescription for dealing with crime. It simply shows the relationship between the two and is useful in refuting other theories about why the crime rate suddenly dropped significantly in the US in the 90s, theories that may sound logical but have no basis in the statistics. 3. The crime rate-abortion studies are not nazi or racial in nature, they are sociological. We already knew that unwanted children growing up in a poor, single family environment were more likely to commit crime, esp males starting around 17-18 yrs old. Prior to RvW, there were plenty of abortions in the US, only it was difficult for poor, young, single women to afford them. About 17-18 yrs after RvW the crime rate starts to drop signficantly and continues for several yrs. 5 states that had legal abortion earlier see the dramatic drop in crime rate earlier. It's not that there are fewer numbers of a certain racial type, it's that there are fewer unwanted babies being born to a certain sociological group -- poor, young, single women. 4. Which brings us to the TMO's Washington, DC Crime Rate study, which they say proves that the DC course in 93 significantly reduced crime. I've only been able to find a summary of the study which states that they compared the crime rate during the course to the same time period for the previous 5 yrs and found a reduction. What's strange is that they admit that the crime rate continued to drop in DC even after the course ended. Normally that's a reason to conclude that something else, not the course, was the source of the crime reduction, but the study spins it to say that just proves how powerful the M-effect really is. Of course we know now that crime rate was starting to fall everywhere in the country, esp cities, in 93. If you compared crime in the summer of 93 to an avg of the prior 5 yrs in most every other US city, you would come up with similar statistics that they came up with in DC. This is why good studies use good controls. And crime rate did continue to drop in DC and most all cities for the next several yrs, which further disputes the study's conclusions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The crime rate reduction found by the D.C. study was a sharp downward turn that correlated very closely with the start of the eight-week project, not the kind of gradual reduction over time you're talking about. And as I recall, while crime remained lower (it did not continue to drop) for several weeks following the end of the project, it then climbed back up to normal. It should be fairly easy to look at the stats for a comparable city to D.C. and see if the crime rate pattern--a sharp drop at the beginning of the period, followed by a rise to normal 12 or so weeks later-- was also comparable. On the face of it, that seems unlikely. The way I read the summary of the study is that they don't compare the crime rate during the course to that prior to the course, but to the same time period over the previous 5 yrs. If the DC crime rate was relatively flat during the 90s, maybe that's an ok methodology. But metro cities throughout the nation experienced a dramatic drop in crime rate starting around 1992-1993 and continuing for several yrs and therefore the study can't prove its point w/o controlling for this major factor. I've tried to search the uniform crime statistics but can't figure out how to isolate the variables needed. Also can anyone post the full study? I still dont' trust how they massaged the raw data - the word here in fairfield after the course was that hagelin was disappointed in the data until they came up the adjusting weather variables. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
If the DC crime rate was relatively flat during the 90s, maybe that's an ok methodology. But metro cities throughout the nation experienced a dramatic drop in crime rate starting around 1992-1993 and continuing for several yrs and therefore the study can't prove its point w/o controlling for this major factor. They did, by predicting what the crime rate *would* have been for that period that year on the basis of the previous five-year trend. It's true that there might have been *somewhat* less of a reduction if the crime rate had started going down in early 1993, but you would have no reason to see the sharp, sudden drop they measured during the project on the basis of the decline you're talking about (much less the return to normal a few weeks after the study). The 5 yr trend is meaningless - the trend for violent crime was significantly up during the 80s and then it unexpectedly and dramatically turned down in the 90s, then flattened out near the end of that decade. All sorts of studies came out in the 90s supposedly proving that this or that particular program was reducing crime in this or that city, but in retrospect we now know that crime was going down in all large cities, even ones not doing this or that. I'm saying the study design needs to be revisited due to what we now know about the unique crime trends in the 90s. As far as the sharp dramatic drops and returns to normal, I want to see the actual data before trusting these describtors of it. OF course, akasha is right that even if the statistics hold, you still need more studies looking at it from different angles. I dont' see that ever happening. I was on the DC committee that originally came up with the DC course idea a couple yrs before 93 at which time MMY trashed it saying the M-effect had already been proven enough. For some reason he consented when hagelin revived the idea in 93, but I don't see him agreeing again and I can't see the tmo ever getting nearly enough people to participate in such an experiment. So what's going to be the practical result of all these half or 3/4 baked M-effect studies? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
