[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip What Shemp doesn't get is that this has nothing to do with moral/ethical issues, _per se_, but with the serious consequences of a sex-biased

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Judy, are you advocating banning ultrasound? No, I'm advocating

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip What Shemp doesn't get is that this has nothing to do with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] What Shemp doesn't get is that this has nothing to do with moral/ethical issues, _per se_, but with the serious consequences of a sex-biased

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/11/06 9:42:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's a mothers right to choose. Women have the right to decide if they want to carry a child regardless of it's sex.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/11/06 10:25:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ban anything that can be used to determine the sex of the fetus. Ultrasound while the mom isn't allowed to look, would be OK,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 8/11/06 9:42:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: It's a mothers right to choose. Women have the right to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/11/06 10:47:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's a mothers right to choose. Women have the right to decide if they want to carry a child regardless of it's sex. Perhaps, but the social issue is overwhelming the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 1:06:28 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/11/06 11:18:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ban anything that can be used to determine the sex of the fetus. Ultrasound while the mom isn't allowed to look, would be OK, as long as the doctor doesn't reveal the sex. Hey, that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 7:21:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ban anything that can be used to determine the sex of the fetus. Ultrasound while the mom isn't allowed to look, would beOK, as long as the doctor doesn't reveal the sex.Hey,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 7:34:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gee. One of the reasons given by pro-choicers has always been that legalizing abortions makes it safe because women are going to go underground and go to abortionists anyways when it's not

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/11/06 11:18:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ban anything that can be used to determine the sex of the fetus. Ultrasound while the mom isn't allowed to look, would be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/11/06 10:47:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's a mothers right to choose. Women have the right to decide if they want to carry a child regardless of it's sex.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 7:21:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ban anything that can be used to determine the sex of the fetus. Ultrasound while the mom isn't allowed to look, would be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 7:34:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gee. One of the reasons given by pro-choicers has always been that legalizing abortions makes it safe because women are going to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 8:18:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Certainly you wouldn't want some politician or dictator telling you what the sex of a child you are permitted to bring into the world or abort should be.This really isn't the simplistic

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 8:19:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about the mothers right to know? What about it? Now could you imagine that being said to a prospective mother in the USA? For all the doctor knows, she's coming in for a routine

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 8:19:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I'm against is abortion based on the sex of the fetus. But Judy, the mother doesn't have to give a reason why she wants to abort a fetus. She doesn't even have to tell the ultra sound

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 8:18:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [MDixon wrote:] Certainly you wouldn't want some politician or dictator telling you what the sex of a child you are permitted to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 8:22:28 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So it is "evil" to abort a fetus because of it's sex?"Evil" in this case meaning having negativeconsequences. "Lesser of two evils" is what wecall a figure of speech. Allowing the Chinese to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 9:03:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would imagine the Chinese think the current policy will fix the situation quickly. Once there is an over abundance of men and too few women, fewer children of either sex will be born and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 8:19:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about the mothers right to know? What about it? Now could you imagine that being said to a prospective mother in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 8:19:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I'm against is abortion based on the sex of the fetus. But Judy, the mother doesn't have to give a reason why she wants

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 8:22:28 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So it is evil to abort a fetus because of it's sex? Evil in this case meaning having negative consequences. Lesser of two evils

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 8/11/06 9:42:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 9:03:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would imagine the Chinese think the current policy will fix the situation quickly. Once there is an over abundance of men and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 10:01:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do the Chinese believe in equal rights for women?Do they believe in the right of the elderly to areasonably comfortable old age, by government meansif necessary? Do the Chinese believe access

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 9:54:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How prevalent do you think such decisions are in the U.S. compared to China? Actually, I think no child should be aborted unless the mothers life is endangered, any where. However the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/11/06 11:18:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ban anything that can be used to determine the sex of the fetus. Ultrasound while the mom isn't allowed to look, would be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 8/11/06 11:18:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: Ban anything that can be used to determine the sex of the fetus.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 10:04:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So you acknowledge that not allowing the mother toknow the sex of a child would be a lesser evil, Ipresume. Yes it would be a lesser evil if it meant saving the life of the fetus, but we don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 9:54:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How prevalent do you think such decisions are in the U.S. compared to China? Actually, I think no child should be aborted

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 8/11/06 11:18:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If abortion wasn't killing, no one would give a rat's ass about whether or not they knew the sex of the fetus. This whole discussion exposes the extreme discomfort various parties to this debate have when the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip The point I'm making here is that even if you were to codify the banning of ultrasounds for the purpose of determining a fetus's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/11/06 10:47:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's a mothers right to choose. Women have the right to decide if they want to carry a child regardless of it's sex.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 1:06:28 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 7:34:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gee. One of the reasons given by pro-choicers has always been that legalizing abortions makes it safe because women are going to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 7:21:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ban anything that can be used to determine the sex of the fetus. Ultrasound while the mom isn't allowed to look, would be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/11/06 11:18:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ban anything that can be used to determine the sex of the fetus. Ultrasound while the mom isn't allowed to look, would be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 8:19:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about the mothers right to know? What about it? Now could you imagine that being said to a prospective mother in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 8:19:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I'm against is abortion based on the sex of the fetus. But Judy, the mother doesn't have to give a reason why she wants

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 9:03:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would imagine the Chinese think the current policy will fix the situation quickly. Once there is an over abundance of men and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 8:22:28 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So it is evil to abort a fetus because of it's sex? Evil in this case meaning having negative consequences. Lesser of two evils

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
Judy, are you advocating banning ultrasound? Because if so, then you've got a whole new set of problems, which is also happening in China for those women who didn't find out the sex of their child, (or couldn't get an abortion) and then simply abandon the kids in droves--to the tune of over a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 8/11/06 11:18:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: Ban anything that can be used to determine the sex of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, are you advocating banning ultrasound? No, I'm advocating not letting women use it to selectively abort females (in other words, I'm advocating not telling them what the ultrasound reveals about the sex of the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Aug 12, 2006, at 2:07 PM, authfriend wrote: Abandon the female kids, I assume you mean, right? Right. Like I said, it's a complex problem. This just adds another layer of complexity. I don't think the solution is to continue to allow women to abort females selectively, do you? Yes, it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 12, 2006, at 2:07 PM, authfriend wrote: Abandon the female kids, I assume you mean, right? Right. Like I said, it's a complex problem. This just adds another layer of complexity. I don't think the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 1:04:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: China already has such a problem due to their former one-child-per-family law. Do you think the Chinese think it's a problem? Do you think they could be looking further down the road and seeing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Aug 12, 2006, at 4:07 PM, authfriend wrote: The pressure to raise sons in Chinese culture is immense. And with the one-child-per-family policy they've had for the past few decades, many women there are put in an absolutely horrendous position. Unquestionably (although Lawson says they've

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 1:07:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This gives a whole new meaning to "central planning".LOL. Either you're being really stupid here, or you're deliberately misunderstading the point. Which is it? Neither, you miss the point

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 1:14:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now could you imagine that being said to a prospective mother in the USA? For all the doctor knows, she's coming in for a routine check up and wants to know the sex of her child. She doesn't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 1:13:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But Judy, the mother doesn't have to give a reason why she wants to abort a fetus. She doesn't even have to tell the ultra sound tech or doctor she has any plans to abort and she has every

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 1:27:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would imagine the Chinese think the current policy will fix the situation quickly. Once there is an over abundance of men and too few women, fewer children of either sex will be born and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 1:24:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, I think no child should be aborted unless the mothers life is endangered, any where. However the accepted culture is that women control their bodies and reproductive rights and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 1:26:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I'm against is abortion based on the sex of the fetus. But Judy, the mother doesn't have to give a reason why she wants to abort a fetus. She doesn't even have to tell the ultra

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 1:30:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, are you advocating banning ultrasound? Because if so, then you've got a whole new set of problems, which is also happening in China for those women who didn't find out the sex of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 1:27:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except it hasn't worked out that way. And the CHinese HAVE backed off from the social planning thing, to a great extent. You just posted earlier that they are correcting the problem of allowing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 8/12/06 1:42:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Heh. I'm talking about the social consequences of having single-sex familes on a scale of 10's or even 100's of millions, and you've boiled it down to a "abortion is bad and we all know it"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 1:04:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: China already has such a problem due to their former one- child-per-family law. Do you think the Chinese think it's a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 1:04:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: China already has such a problem due to their former one-

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 1:07:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This gives a whole new meaning to central planning. LOL. Either you're being really stupid here, or you're deliberately

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 12, 2006, at 4:07 PM, authfriend wrote: The pressure to raise sons in Chinese culture is immense. And with the one-child-per-family policy they've had for the past few decades, many women there are put in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 1:14:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now could you imagine that being said to a prospective mother in the USA? For all the doctor knows, she's coming in for a routine

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 1:27:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would imagine the Chinese think the current policy will fix the situation quickly. Once there is an over abundance of men

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 1:24:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, I think no child should be aborted unless the mothers life is endangered, any where. However the accepted culture is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 1:30:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, are you advocating banning ultrasound? Because if so, then you've got a whole new set of problems, which is also

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 1:27:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except it hasn't worked out that way. And the CHinese HAVE backed off from the social planning thing, to a great extent.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 1:42:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Heh. I'm talking about the social consequences of having single-sex familes on a scale of 10's or even 100's of millions, and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
Do a Google search on one child policy+China and see how many articles you get. If it's been changed, it's not by much. Apparently in rural areas you can have two if the first is a girl, but it's been like that for a while. Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 5:57 PM, authfriend wrote: Sal claims

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 8/12/06 1:27:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: Except it hasn't worked out that way. And the CHinese HAVE backed

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do a Google search on one child policy+China and see how many articles you get. If it's been changed, it's not by much. Apparently in rural areas you can have two if the first is a girl, but it's been like

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
I don't get Lawson's messages. See the quotes from about 300,000 articles posted saying that the policy is alive and well. Since much of China is urban, that's a pretty big only. And that wasn't even the issue in any case, as you know. Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 6:48 PM, authfriend wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't get Lawson's messages. The more fool you. See the quotes from about 300,000 articles posted saying that the policy is alive and well. Yes, yes. Nobody's arguing that it isn't. Since much of China is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Aug 12, 2006, at 7:12 PM, authfriend wrote: I don't get Lawson's messages. The more fool you. Yeah, I feel really deprived. See the quotes from about 300,000 articles posted saying that the policy is alive and well. Yes, yes. Nobody's arguing that it isn't. Since much of China is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't get Lawson's messages. See the quotes from about 300,000 articles posted saying that the policy is alive and well. Since much of China is urban, that's a pretty big only. I posted an itneview with the guy

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 12, 2006, at 7:12 PM, authfriend wrote: I don't get Lawson's messages. The more fool you. Yeah, I feel really deprived. You have no idea. See the quotes from about 300,000 articles posted saying

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Aug 12, 2006, at 7:54 PM, authfriend wrote: I thought you didn't get his posts. I read them in *your* posts and those of others, Judy, geez--don't you read your own posts? How am I supposed to avoid them there? Stop quoting him and there would be a lot less of a problem. Or do you only get

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
Oops, I meant, of course, boys. On Aug 12, 2006, at 8:15 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: the cultural preference for girls was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 12, 2006, at 7:54 PM, authfriend wrote: I thought you didn't get his posts. I read them in *your* posts and those of others, Judy, geez--don't you read your own posts? How am I supposed to avoid them

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save Dogs in China

2006-08-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
With Lawson's, yes. It's not something I normally do--only with the more inane, compulsive posters like him, which, thankfully, are few. I'm hardly alone. In fact, of the ones who receive email, I'd wager more have him blocked than not. Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 8:33 PM, authfriend wrote:

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