[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
You gotta like "sour plum". It is a very endearing term IMO, with a nice asian flavor to it. I can easily see substituting "sour plum" for "grasshopper" And okay, I might as well say it. I think Judy could learn a little something from Curtis --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote: > > > > Fun to watch Curtis (and Edg, but to a lesser extent > > because he isn't immediately involved) stand on his > > head to avoid seeing what's actually going on here, > > exercising his creative powers to the utmost to come > > up with an alternate story line that will allow him > > to feel less bad about himself. > > So the mission of the sour plum is to help assist me feeling badly about myself? So noble, so kind. So you. > > > > > Two hints: (1) Not looking for a guru in Curtis; and > > (2) anger *per se* isn't the problem. It's the Hulk- > > like transformation the anger triggers that's the > > problem. Or maybe Jekyll/Hyde is a better analogy. > > Off my schtick for a moment here. Your complaint is ridiculously pointed at me for the most human quality of reacting angrily to hostility and (what seems to me) unfair attack. There is nothing hulk-like about this switch. Posters get from me what they give. Sometimes the switch is between a few different posts as with Jim who can start a rancorous debate and then in a few posts we are complimenting each other. You more than anyone here has an agenda to get my goat and when you succeed you claim it as a personality defect rather than the natural reaction that you yourself share here. You are trying to demonize me for trying to gain rapport with people here (that is being Mr. Wonderful) and then reacting defensively when attacked. And a typical cycle of triggers is if any poster has a run of too many positive posts with me. It seems to unhinge you. > > > > > At any rate, Curtis might find it of benefit to do > > some reading/thinking about Jung's recommendation > > to acknowledge and ultimately accept one's Shadow > > side. If you can make friends with your Shadow, > > you're a lot more likely to get it to work with you > > rather than against you. > > First of all please don't attempt to couch your malevolent intentions toward me as some kind of exercise in opening my eyes to greater self knowledge. You don't have the empathy skills needed, or even the core level kindness toward other people that would be required. You are not a people person Judy. It reveals itself again and again in your low emotional intelligence displayed in your posts. > > And secondly, for you to chastise me for having "anger triggers". From a person who is the most high maintenance, fly-off-the-handle on any given phrase, soaring on the wings of her self-righteous claim to moral superiority, often screechingly angry posters here,I say > > (re-engage schtick) > > Sour, sour plum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > > > Curtis, > > > > > > > > Have you considered that Judy is like Guru Dev when he was looking for a guru? He got that one guru angry, and Guru Dev said something like: "This guy's anger proves he isn't fully enlightened, so he's not the guru I seek." > > > > > > Edg my brother, don't get me started again on the hideous story of a poor boy who left home searching for a "perfect" father sold as a wonderful spiritual tale of his greatness. A boy so scarred by life with a family that he left his home and faced starvation rather than face another day of...what? What adult bastard caused a young boy so much pain that he needed to leave his home? And what family life life him so scarred that he led a life of homeless camping behind the KFC in the state park? Away from people, never to be with people, to hell with people... > > > > > > Sorry man, I get lost in that dark trance sometimes. The miracle story manufactured from obvious neglect and probable abuse. Plus his family was rich enough to find the kid. Why didn't they? > > > > > > OK back again. Let me focus. Judy like Guru Dev...through her dedication to hostility busting down people for, what was her last complaint about me...trying to be Mr. Wonderbread was it? No it was close though, Mr. Wonderful, that's it. She was taking me down for trying to present an impression that I am a wonderful human being full of the light of God and optimism that I can spread my music to the world or at least an improvement on those crappy sugary drinks pawned off as Chaipirinias in Mall bars. I'm having a little trouble following you here although the idea that some misfortune in the past my be the shared cause for aniti-social tendencies might be a rich vein to explore... > > > > > > > > > > > Gotta give that which pokes ya and irks ya a deep bow just for rubbing your nose in a crippling attachment even if the messenger is a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
Mark, You're welcome. My motivation is that it appeared to me that the bottom line was that you were in need of money and that all the debate around the sandals and the resume was not going to help financially so I wanted to take the lead and do something practical for you despite pointing out some things I didn't agree with. I also encouraged others to follow suit. I know you more than you know me due to your position in the TMO at the time. The name I use on here tedadams is a pseudoname. If I described where and when I was with you would remember, but for now at least I choose to maintain anonymity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > Thank you, Ted. Your $20 cash arrived today. I'm glad you didn't go out of > your way to get a cashier's check. I'm not sure of all the ins and outs of > your motivation in sending this, perhaps there aren't any but the sincere > desire to help another human being in need. I often give five or ten to the > street beggars, but I believe in that, for a variety of reasons, so I > couldn't even say that is "pure." > > In any case, I appreciate it. My wallet is, all of a sudden, fatter. > > If you will, let me know how we knew each other. Your name is vaguely > familiar, but the memory is escaping me, as so many are these days. > > Namaste, > > m > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:57 AM, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > Mark, > > > > I'm sending you a cashier's check in amount of $20. I know it's > > not much but it's all I feel I can afford in this economy. I hope > > it helps. If things improve with me financially I'll follow up > > with more. Hopefully others on here will follow my lead and lend you > > a helping hand. Feel free to post on here when you receive the check. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > > I'll take it. I'm not proud. I can even take credit cards. No donations > > > of less than a dollar accepted. See: > > > http://www.sky5.com/pay.htm > > > > > > Do you really still think I only hold M and TM and everything TM related > > > with only contempt and ridicule? If so, you have a huge blind spot. > > > > > > And, regarding my situation, if things remain as as, I'll be homeless and > > > penniless in about four months. And, here I am, spending all my time on > > > FFL... (No, I haven't expended one more iota of energy on selling M's > > > sandals since this whole thing began, though, today, hopefully, I will > > > get around to taking their photo with a camera I borrowed from a > > > neighbor.) > > > > > > But, really, Ted, if that is your name, I think there is some deeper > > > purpose in your reactions to me. If I trigger you so effectively, there > > > must be some important thing or things we have in common. > > > > > > Perhaps your bringing up the sweet truth so long ago has something to do > > > with this. I was thinking I'd respond to that but then decided to let > > > others deal with it. > > > > > > But it's probably more my seeming chutzpah, over the top opportunism and > > > hypocrisy. > > > > > > If you're willing, take the time to look deeply into yourself to see > > > what's really going on here. Everything "out there" is a reflection of > > > what's "in here." The things that trigger us are the things we haven't > > > fully met with and processed within ourselves. If you really come up with > > > it, interactions between us might become fruitful. > > > > > > m > > > > > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 4:24 AM, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > > > > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I thought was > > > > the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the sandals of a man > > > > (Maharishi) who was criticized by the seller(Mark)in a film > > > > (David Wants To Fly). > > > > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > > > > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > > > > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > > > > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > > > > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > > > > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > > > > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > > > > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > > > > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > > > > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > > > > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > > > > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > > > > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to be > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > > > > be the TM Movement would it? If so, why not just say so. I have the > > > > same concern as I did about the sandals. Why put on the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
Thank you, Ted. Your $20 cash arrived today. I'm glad you didn't go out of your way to get a cashier's check. I'm not sure of all the ins and outs of your motivation in sending this, perhaps there aren't any but the sincere desire to help another human being in need. I often give five or ten to the street beggars, but I believe in that, for a variety of reasons, so I couldn't even say that is "pure." In any case, I appreciate it. My wallet is, all of a sudden, fatter. If you will, let me know how we knew each other. Your name is vaguely familiar, but the memory is escaping me, as so many are these days. Namaste, m On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:57 AM, tedadams108 wrote: > > Mark, > > I'm sending you a cashier's check in amount of $20. I know it's > not much but it's all I feel I can afford in this economy. I hope > it helps. If things improve with me financially I'll follow up > with more. Hopefully others on here will follow my lead and lend you > a helping hand. Feel free to post on here when you receive the check. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > I'll take it. I'm not proud. I can even take credit cards. No donations of > > less than a dollar accepted. See: > > http://www.sky5.com/pay.htm > > > > Do you really still think I only hold M and TM and everything TM related > > with only contempt and ridicule? If so, you have a huge blind spot. > > > > And, regarding my situation, if things remain as as, I'll be homeless and > > penniless in about four months. And, here I am, spending all my time on > > FFL... (No, I haven't expended one more iota of energy on selling M's > > sandals since this whole thing began, though, today, hopefully, I will get > > around to taking their photo with a camera I borrowed from a neighbor.) > > > > But, really, Ted, if that is your name, I think there is some deeper > > purpose in your reactions to me. If I trigger you so effectively, there > > must be some important thing or things we have in common. > > > > Perhaps your bringing up the sweet truth so long ago has something to do > > with this. I was thinking I'd respond to that but then decided to let > > others deal with it. > > > > But it's probably more my seeming chutzpah, over the top opportunism and > > hypocrisy. > > > > If you're willing, take the time to look deeply into yourself to see what's > > really going on here. Everything "out there" is a reflection of what's "in > > here." The things that trigger us are the things we haven't fully met with > > and processed within ourselves. If you really come up with it, interactions > > between us might become fruitful. > > > > m > > > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 4:24 AM, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I thought was > > > the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the sandals of a man (Maharishi) > > > who was criticized by the seller(Mark)in a film > > > (David Wants To Fly). > > > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > > > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > > > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > > > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > > > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > > > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > > > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > > > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > > > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > > > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > > > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > > > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > > > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to be > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > > > be the TM Movement would it? If so, why not just say so. I have the > > > same concern as I did about the sandals. Why put on the > > > resume that you worked for an organization which you have repeatedly > > > condemned and ridiculed? Like the sandals, it's justified if there is > > > some personal gain to be had? I know we've all debated "the paradox" and > > > dimensions both "unilateral" and "multilateral" but my point is > > > pretty simple and not meant to generate dozens of posts for people > > > to articulate their agenda. I just question the chutzpah it > > > takes to speak so negatively about an organization and yet find it > > > worthy to be put in your resume. > > > Maybe I'm not appreciating just how difficult your financial situation is > > > that would cause you to do this. Perhaps instead of us debating the pros > > > and cons of sandal selling or job hunting and > > > resume posting, we could just take a collection and send you some money. > > > I'll w
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals Photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > and now for something completely different: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka9mfZbTFbk Very Funny ! Raj Patel acknowleges this video to represent him most accurately - or not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals Photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > These are a pair of sandals Maharishi wore exclusively for an unknown number > of years prior to 1973. Due to financial difficulties, I am attempting to > sell them. For their story, see below. > > > > > > > When I was skin boy in the early seventies, a pair of Maharishi's sandals > came from him to me. They were his exclusive pair for many years. > > They broke one evening in the wet grass of the Love Foundation, Mike Love's > place in Santa Barbara. MIU, now MUM, was in Santa Barbara then and > Maharishi was staying there. Anthony Jobbe, the skin boy at the time, found > a rock and hammered the nails of the strap back in. Maharishi then wore them > to Seelisburg the first time we visited. When we left for Switzerland, > Anthony stayed behind, and I soon became skin boy. > > In Maharishi's small meeting room, attached to his bedroom, he stepped on > blank sheets of paper and had me draw the outlines of his feet. I then cut > them out and sent them to his preferred sandal maker in India. > > In due course, his new sandals arrived. We had ordered two pair. In that > same meeting room, Maharishi put them on and asked if they looked too big. > The few of us there said, "No." When he left the room to go to bed, he left > his old sandals where they stood. That night, I did, as well. When I went > in the next morning, they were still standing in the middle of the room. I > realized that he either didn't care what happened to them or was purposefully > leaving them for me. Needless to say, I didn't throw them away. > > In my experience, they still carry a lot of his energy, as if the atoms and > molecules have been entrained in it. And, of course, in India, they would be > holy objects to be revered. I have kept them very well protected and have > handled them very little over the decades. > > At sixty-five, I have very little savings and have lost my job. I was > planning to work into my seventies. My predicament forces me to attempt to > sell them. I am hoping that the person they are meant to go to will have the > wherewithal and will to honor their value. As 108 for over four years, I > spent around $100K working for the movement pretty much seven days a week > (when not rounding). > > Another possibility is donating to me so I can donate them to the movement. > > Please copy and email to anyone you know who may be able and interested. > > Thank you and sincerely, > > Mark Landau, m...@sky5.com > Nice! and now for something completely different: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka9mfZbTFbk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals Photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > These are a pair of sandals Maharishi wore exclusively for an > unknown number of years prior to 1973... The photos don't show up on the FFL web interface, so I've uploaded them to one of the photo folders: http://tinyurl.com/3z2qg22 Go to the last page to see them. You can also see the pics in a PDF of the original email: http://alex.natel.net/ffl/documents/Maharishi%20Sandals%20Photos.pdf
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
Yeah regardless of Mark's opinions he seems a very heart centered person, I'm sure that David guy spun his comments as mostly anti-TM. Criticizing Mark's views is one thing, but regardless of his views we should wish him luck on the sandals and the job. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tedadams108 wrote: > > > Turq, > > Everyone is entitled to their opinion... you, me, Mark, etc. > As I read posts and get to know people on here, > it becomes obvious how a particular person is going to respond. > Again, people on here seem to fit into two camps, each with some bias. Despite > the way I composed my posts, I don't feel I fit into one > particular camp or another as your responses reflect. I was > just pointing out things that I felt were . inconsistent. > I guess there was some value because my posts did spur quite > a lot of response both supportive and non-supportive. Nothing > wrong with the debate even though that was not my intent. I > recognize that people have strong opinions both pro and con > about Maharishi and the Movement, and that's going to > affect their take on what I said whether or not I made a valid point. > I'm confident Mark is the same Mark I use to know in the 70s > and as such is a good person. My intent was to point out > what he did, not comment on who he is. I had an issue with what > he said and was motivated to say something about it, to voice > my opinion. I'm sure Mark's heart is the same as it was when > I knew him 40 years ago. Even though I disagree with what he > has done, he was, and likely still is, a good person. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: > > > > Ted, > > > > I wanted to write to congratulate you on your posts about > > Mark so far, but also to chide you a bit for not being as > > On The Program as you should be, TM-organization-wise. > > > > In your first posts on the subject, you correctly pointed > > out that Mark being out of work was entirely his fault for > > not following every instruction given him by Maharishi, and > > that it wasn't related in any way to the 14+ million other > > Americans who are currently in the same position. > > > > Then, exhibiting the TLC (Tough Love Compassion) that Maha- > > rishi taught, you did everything in your power to prevent > > him from selling an asset that many (including many strong > > TMers) would find valuable. Again, I congratulate you for > > that, because anyone who says anything less than compli- > > mentary about Maharishi MUST be punished, and severely. > > I'm sure that many lurkers here (and many pro-TM posters) > > joined you in hoping that Mark would starve to death in > > some dark alley, the way that any such heretic deserved > > to do. > > > > Now, in this post, you try again to keep him from finding > > a job, which is admirable, but in my opinion not *nearly* > > enough. Mark must be made to PAY for speaking his mind, > > and speaking openly to a filmmaker about Maharishi, and > > telling the truth. This is as heretical an offense today > > as it was in the Middle Ages, and IMO should be punished > > the same way. > > > > As one of the Inquisitors of the Age Of Enlightenment, I > > recommend that you stop all this polite "sweet truth" > > pussyfooting around and just cut to the chase. Burn Mark > > at the stake. If possible, in front of a large cheering > > crowd of your fellow devout TMers. > > > > I did a little Googling, and have found that Builder's > > Emporium is having a sale this week on tar, pitch, and > > large bundles of firewood. I would take advantage of > > this if I were you, because in today's economy you might > > not be able to count on even Invincibility to keep you > > employed, and thus able to buy the "tools of your trade." > > > > When you perform this holy yagya of purification, don't > > forget to bring the proper clean white handkerchief and > > a piece of fresh fruit to throw into the flames along > > with him. You might also want to consider adding the > > following verse to the puja itself: "Offering Mark to > > the flames of liberation, I bow down." I'm pretty > > sure that Maharishi wouldn't mind. > > > > Turq > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I > > > thought was the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the > > > sandals of a man (Maharishi) who was criticized by the > > > seller(Mark)in a film (David Wants To Fly). > > > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > > > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > > > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > > > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > > > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > > > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > > > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
Oh, you're so welcome! I'm so glad I'm here, for now. It's been of great benefit to me. On Jul 27, 2011, at 1:52 PM, RoryGoff wrote: > Now THAT really tickles me! > > Thank you for Being Here, Mark :-) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > This video is priceless, I'd never seen it, thank you, o, all true, with, > > yes, of course, one exception, not not-holy, but holy and sexy and > > perverted and charming and lovable and criminal and a trillion other > > things... We really can put it all together because we really are all there > > is, and, more so, that which is beyond. > > > > All together now, all you need is/ stop denying and avoiding everything, > > yes, with love. Let's all do that, together, right... > > > > Glad you're enjoying my rants. > > > > m > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
I thought your people were my people. OH Priced is right, the sequels will draw loads at the BO. Gotta chapter growin right here. Scene 4 half way down the page The moderators could do some good negotiating too, with the people, whose names are not but people of people of yours or my or theirs. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price wrote: > > My people will be calling your people to discuss residuals. > > For more see: Rowing to Doha-Scene 4- (was conflict in Fiction) > > > From: obbajeeba > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 6:20:15 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume > > > Â > > > Ahh. Thank you for bringing up the question. What is the definition of: > "Know thy audience?" > The audience, could it be this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57vaKllPg7k > or this? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar4X-VK7p_I > > A panel of FFL, who is? : ) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > > Obbajeeba, I wasn't saying life is either spiritual or worldly, just that > > to mix the two in terms of expression, while attempting to conduct business > > doesn't work very well. I am not condoning an absence of spirituality, > > whatever that may be, in one's life, at all. Just the opposite. "Know thy > > audience", though. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > > > > > "In's and out's of spiritual drama," happen all the time. For instance > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpFwqUoO1JA a sickly stomach I felt when I > > > heard this song years ago, before the internet. There was a time I > > > questioned as to why John Lennon had an early demise and a meditating > > > person once told me it was because JL wrote that song. Years later, I am > > > understanding John's questioning purpose to the song. Is it very normal > > > for spiritual growth to go dual? > > > Then of course, I hear and read, Yoko (who performs on the above > > > recording) was present at the DLF CBW concert at the Radio City Music > > > Hall in 2009, and I am sure a donor to the DLF, so all is well now to > > > create money for the cause. This is a good example of "In's and > > > Out's."...and back "In." Typical. > > > Spiritual growth and investments in tax deductions for artists to keep > > > their name going, go hand in hand in the non profit world of music and > > > art. > > > Mark is a creative being telling of his adventures and I am enjoying > > > reading them here on FFL. : ) > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > > > > > > tedadams108, I think Mark will learn soon enough the difference between > > > > getting caught up in the ins and outs of spiritual drama, and what it > > > > actually takes to survive in the world. Better late than never... > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > > > > > > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I thought was > > > > > the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the sandals of a man > > > > > (Maharishi) who was criticized by the seller(Mark)in a film > > > > > (David Wants To Fly). > > > > > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > > > > > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > > > > > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > > > > > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > > > > > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > > > > > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > > > > > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > > > > > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > > > > > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > > > > > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > > > > > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > > > > > a worldwide educational organization called the W
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
Now THAT really tickles me! Thank you for Being Here, Mark :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > This video is priceless, I'd never seen it, thank you, o, all true, with, > yes, of course, one exception, not not-holy, but holy and sexy and perverted > and charming and lovable and criminal and a trillion other things... We > really can put it all together because we really are all there is, and, more > so, that which is beyond. > > All together now, all you need is/ stop denying and avoiding everything, yes, > with love. Let's all do that, together, right... > > Glad you're enjoying my rants. > > m
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
Mark, The following is the beginning of the post you made where you enclosed a link to your website which included your address. Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume I'll take it. I'm not proud. I can even take credit cards. No donations of less than a dollar accepted. See: http://www.sky5.com/pay.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > Wow, I did, why on earth for? Yes, of course that's right, but 4432 Alabama > Ave Apt A is better. That's how good my memory is... Can you direct me to > the post so I can see why I did that? I know I put my email address at the > bottom of my first post. > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 12:32 PM, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > Mark, > > > > I have your address, you posted it in a previous response. > > > > 4432A Alabama Ave, Los Alamos, NM, 87544 > > > > If this is not correct let me know, otherwise I will > > send the money to the above address. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > > Gee, how can you do that without my address? Better go to the website. > > > > > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:57 AM, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > > > I'm sending you a cashier's check in amount of $20. I know it's > > > > not much but it's all I feel I can afford in this economy. I hope > > > > it helps. If things improve with me financially I'll follow up > > > > with more. Hopefully others on here will follow my lead and lend you > > > > a helping hand. Feel free to post on here when you receive the check. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'll take it. I'm not proud. I can even take credit cards. No > > > > > donations of less than a dollar accepted. See: > > > > > http://www.sky5.com/pay.htm > > > > > > > > > > Do you really still think I only hold M and TM and everything TM > > > > > related with only contempt and ridicule? If so, you have a huge blind > > > > > spot. > > > > > > > > > > And, regarding my situation, if things remain as as, I'll be homeless > > > > > and penniless in about four months. And, here I am, spending all my > > > > > time on FFL... (No, I haven't expended one more iota of energy on > > > > > selling M's sandals since this whole thing began, though, today, > > > > > hopefully, I will get around to taking their photo with a camera I > > > > > borrowed from a neighbor.) > > > > > > > > > > But, really, Ted, if that is your name, I think there is some deeper > > > > > purpose in your reactions to me. If I trigger you so effectively, > > > > > there must be some important thing or things we have in common. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps your bringing up the sweet truth so long ago has something to > > > > > do with this. I was thinking I'd respond to that but then decided to > > > > > let others deal with it. > > > > > > > > > > But it's probably more my seeming chutzpah, over the top opportunism > > > > > and hypocrisy. > > > > > > > > > > If you're willing, take the time to look deeply into yourself to see > > > > > what's really going on here. Everything "out there" is a reflection > > > > > of what's "in here." The things that trigger us are the things we > > > > > haven't fully met with and processed within ourselves. If you really > > > > > come up with it, interactions between us might become fruitful. > > > > > > > > > > m > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 4:24 AM, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > > > > > > > > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I thought > > > > > > was > > > > > > the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the sandals of a man > > > > > > (Maharishi) who was criticized by the seller(Mark)in a film > > > > > > (David Wants To Fly). > > > > > > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > > > > > > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > > > > > > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > > > > > > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > > > > > > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > > > > > > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > > > > > > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > > > > > > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > > > > > > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > > > > > > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > > > > > > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > > > > > > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > > > > > > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to > > > > > > be > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > > > > > > be the TM Movement would it? If so, why not just say
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
Wow, I did, why on earth for? Yes, of course that's right, but 4432 Alabama Ave Apt A is better. That's how good my memory is... Can you direct me to the post so I can see why I did that? I know I put my email address at the bottom of my first post. On Jul 27, 2011, at 12:32 PM, tedadams108 wrote: > > Mark, > > I have your address, you posted it in a previous response. > > 4432A Alabama Ave, Los Alamos, NM, 87544 > > If this is not correct let me know, otherwise I will > send the money to the above address. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > Gee, how can you do that without my address? Better go to the website. > > > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:57 AM, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > I'm sending you a cashier's check in amount of $20. I know it's > > > not much but it's all I feel I can afford in this economy. I hope > > > it helps. If things improve with me financially I'll follow up > > > with more. Hopefully others on here will follow my lead and lend you > > > a helping hand. Feel free to post on here when you receive the check. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > > > > I'll take it. I'm not proud. I can even take credit cards. No donations > > > > of less than a dollar accepted. See: > > > > http://www.sky5.com/pay.htm > > > > > > > > Do you really still think I only hold M and TM and everything TM > > > > related with only contempt and ridicule? If so, you have a huge blind > > > > spot. > > > > > > > > And, regarding my situation, if things remain as as, I'll be homeless > > > > and penniless in about four months. And, here I am, spending all my > > > > time on FFL... (No, I haven't expended one more iota of energy on > > > > selling M's sandals since this whole thing began, though, today, > > > > hopefully, I will get around to taking their photo with a camera I > > > > borrowed from a neighbor.) > > > > > > > > But, really, Ted, if that is your name, I think there is some deeper > > > > purpose in your reactions to me. If I trigger you so effectively, there > > > > must be some important thing or things we have in common. > > > > > > > > Perhaps your bringing up the sweet truth so long ago has something to > > > > do with this. I was thinking I'd respond to that but then decided to > > > > let others deal with it. > > > > > > > > But it's probably more my seeming chutzpah, over the top opportunism > > > > and hypocrisy. > > > > > > > > If you're willing, take the time to look deeply into yourself to see > > > > what's really going on here. Everything "out there" is a reflection of > > > > what's "in here." The things that trigger us are the things we haven't > > > > fully met with and processed within ourselves. If you really come up > > > > with it, interactions between us might become fruitful. > > > > > > > > m > > > > > > > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 4:24 AM, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > > > > > > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I thought was > > > > > the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the sandals of a man > > > > > (Maharishi) who was criticized by the seller(Mark)in a film > > > > > (David Wants To Fly). > > > > > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > > > > > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > > > > > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > > > > > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > > > > > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > > > > > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > > > > > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > > > > > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > > > > > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > > > > > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > > > > > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > > > > > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > > > > > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to be > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > > > > > be the TM Movement would it? If so, why not just say so. I have the > > > > > same concern as I did about the sandals. Why put on the > > > > > resume that you worked for an organization which you have repeatedly > > > > > condemned and ridiculed? Like the sandals, it's justified if there is > > > > > some personal gain to be had? I know we've all debated "the paradox" > > > > > and dimensions both "unilateral" and "multilateral" but my point is > > > > > pretty simple and not meant to generate dozens of posts for people > > > > > to articulate their agenda. I just question the chutzpah it > > > > > takes to speak so negatively about an organizati
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
Mark, I have your address, you posted it in a previous response. 4432A Alabama Ave, Los Alamos, NM, 87544 If this is not correct let me know, otherwise I will send the money to the above address. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > Gee, how can you do that without my address? Better go to the website. > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:57 AM, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > Mark, > > > > I'm sending you a cashier's check in amount of $20. I know it's > > not much but it's all I feel I can afford in this economy. I hope > > it helps. If things improve with me financially I'll follow up > > with more. Hopefully others on here will follow my lead and lend you > > a helping hand. Feel free to post on here when you receive the check. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > > I'll take it. I'm not proud. I can even take credit cards. No donations > > > of less than a dollar accepted. See: > > > http://www.sky5.com/pay.htm > > > > > > Do you really still think I only hold M and TM and everything TM related > > > with only contempt and ridicule? If so, you have a huge blind spot. > > > > > > And, regarding my situation, if things remain as as, I'll be homeless and > > > penniless in about four months. And, here I am, spending all my time on > > > FFL... (No, I haven't expended one more iota of energy on selling M's > > > sandals since this whole thing began, though, today, hopefully, I will > > > get around to taking their photo with a camera I borrowed from a > > > neighbor.) > > > > > > But, really, Ted, if that is your name, I think there is some deeper > > > purpose in your reactions to me. If I trigger you so effectively, there > > > must be some important thing or things we have in common. > > > > > > Perhaps your bringing up the sweet truth so long ago has something to do > > > with this. I was thinking I'd respond to that but then decided to let > > > others deal with it. > > > > > > But it's probably more my seeming chutzpah, over the top opportunism and > > > hypocrisy. > > > > > > If you're willing, take the time to look deeply into yourself to see > > > what's really going on here. Everything "out there" is a reflection of > > > what's "in here." The things that trigger us are the things we haven't > > > fully met with and processed within ourselves. If you really come up with > > > it, interactions between us might become fruitful. > > > > > > m > > > > > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 4:24 AM, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > > > > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I thought was > > > > the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the sandals of a man > > > > (Maharishi) who was criticized by the seller(Mark)in a film > > > > (David Wants To Fly). > > > > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > > > > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > > > > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > > > > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > > > > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > > > > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > > > > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > > > > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > > > > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > > > > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > > > > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > > > > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > > > > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to be > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > > > > be the TM Movement would it? If so, why not just say so. I have the > > > > same concern as I did about the sandals. Why put on the > > > > resume that you worked for an organization which you have repeatedly > > > > condemned and ridiculed? Like the sandals, it's justified if there is > > > > some personal gain to be had? I know we've all debated "the paradox" > > > > and dimensions both "unilateral" and "multilateral" but my point is > > > > pretty simple and not meant to generate dozens of posts for people > > > > to articulate their agenda. I just question the chutzpah it > > > > takes to speak so negatively about an organization and yet find it > > > > worthy to be put in your resume. > > > > Maybe I'm not appreciating just how difficult your financial situation > > > > is that would cause you to do this. Perhaps instead of us debating the > > > > pros and cons of sandal selling or job hunting and > > > > resume posting, we could just take a collection and send you some > > > > money. I'll write the first check. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Not too
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
Gee, how can you do that without my address? Better go to the website. On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:57 AM, tedadams108 wrote: > > Mark, > > I'm sending you a cashier's check in amount of $20. I know it's > not much but it's all I feel I can afford in this economy. I hope > it helps. If things improve with me financially I'll follow up > with more. Hopefully others on here will follow my lead and lend you > a helping hand. Feel free to post on here when you receive the check. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > I'll take it. I'm not proud. I can even take credit cards. No donations of > > less than a dollar accepted. See: > > http://www.sky5.com/pay.htm > > > > Do you really still think I only hold M and TM and everything TM related > > with only contempt and ridicule? If so, you have a huge blind spot. > > > > And, regarding my situation, if things remain as as, I'll be homeless and > > penniless in about four months. And, here I am, spending all my time on > > FFL... (No, I haven't expended one more iota of energy on selling M's > > sandals since this whole thing began, though, today, hopefully, I will get > > around to taking their photo with a camera I borrowed from a neighbor.) > > > > But, really, Ted, if that is your name, I think there is some deeper > > purpose in your reactions to me. If I trigger you so effectively, there > > must be some important thing or things we have in common. > > > > Perhaps your bringing up the sweet truth so long ago has something to do > > with this. I was thinking I'd respond to that but then decided to let > > others deal with it. > > > > But it's probably more my seeming chutzpah, over the top opportunism and > > hypocrisy. > > > > If you're willing, take the time to look deeply into yourself to see what's > > really going on here. Everything "out there" is a reflection of what's "in > > here." The things that trigger us are the things we haven't fully met with > > and processed within ourselves. If you really come up with it, interactions > > between us might become fruitful. > > > > m > > > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 4:24 AM, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I thought was > > > the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the sandals of a man (Maharishi) > > > who was criticized by the seller(Mark)in a film > > > (David Wants To Fly). > > > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > > > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > > > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > > > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > > > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > > > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > > > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > > > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > > > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > > > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > > > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > > > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > > > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to be > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > > > be the TM Movement would it? If so, why not just say so. I have the > > > same concern as I did about the sandals. Why put on the > > > resume that you worked for an organization which you have repeatedly > > > condemned and ridiculed? Like the sandals, it's justified if there is > > > some personal gain to be had? I know we've all debated "the paradox" and > > > dimensions both "unilateral" and "multilateral" but my point is > > > pretty simple and not meant to generate dozens of posts for people > > > to articulate their agenda. I just question the chutzpah it > > > takes to speak so negatively about an organization and yet find it > > > worthy to be put in your resume. > > > Maybe I'm not appreciating just how difficult your financial situation is > > > that would cause you to do this. Perhaps instead of us debating the pros > > > and cons of sandal selling or job hunting and > > > resume posting, we could just take a collection and send you some money. > > > I'll write the first check. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > > > > Not too sure about protocol here yet (is there any?), but I thought I'd > > > > let you know. > > > > I lost my job June 6 as Accounting Manager for a high tech consulting > > > > firm in charge of AP, AR, payroll and responsible for many other things. > > > > I just put my resume up (not too professionally) on my web site. > > > > If any of you know of any company anywhere that might be able to use my > > > > skills, please let me know. The link is:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
This video is priceless, I'd never seen it, thank you, o, all true, with, yes, of course, one exception, not not-holy, but holy and sexy and perverted and charming and lovable and criminal and a trillion other things... We really can put it all together because we really are all there is, and, more so, that which is beyond. All together now, all you need is/ stop denying and avoiding everything, yes, with love. Let's all do that, together, right... Glad you're enjoying my rants. m On Jul 27, 2011, at 6:41 AM, obbajeeba wrote: > "In's and out's of spiritual drama," happen all the time. For instance > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpFwqUoO1JA a sickly stomach I felt when I > heard this song years ago, before the internet. There was a time I questioned > as to why John Lennon had an early demise and a meditating person once told > me it was because JL wrote that song. Years later, I am understanding John's > questioning purpose to the song. Is it very normal for spiritual growth to go > dual? > Then of course, I hear and read, Yoko (who performs on the above recording) > was present at the DLF CBW concert at the Radio City Music Hall in 2009, and > I am sure a donor to the DLF, so all is well now to create money for the > cause. This is a good example of "In's and Out's."...and back "In." Typical. > Spiritual growth and investments in tax deductions for artists to keep their > name going, go hand in hand in the non profit world of music and art. > Mark is a creative being telling of his adventures and I am enjoying reading > them here on FFL. : ) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > > tedadams108, I think Mark will learn soon enough the difference between > > getting caught up in the ins and outs of spiritual drama, and what it > > actually takes to survive in the world. Better late than never... > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I thought was > > > the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the sandals of a man (Maharishi) > > > who was criticized by the seller(Mark)in a film > > > (David Wants To Fly). > > > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > > > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > > > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > > > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > > > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > > > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > > > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > > > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > > > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > > > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > > > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > > > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > > > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to be > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > > > be the TM Movement would it? If so, why not just say so. I have the > > > same concern as I did about the sandals. Why put on the > > > resume that you worked for an organization which you have repeatedly > > > condemned and ridiculed? Like the sandals, it's justified if there is > > > some personal gain to be had? I know we've all debated "the paradox" and > > > dimensions both "unilateral" and "multilateral" but my point is > > > pretty simple and not meant to generate dozens of posts for people > > > to articulate their agenda. I just question the chutzpah it > > > takes to speak so negatively about an organization and yet find it > > > worthy to be put in your resume. > > > Maybe I'm not appreciating just how difficult your financial situation is > > > that would cause you to do this. Perhaps instead of us debating the pros > > > and cons of sandal selling or job hunting and > > > resume posting, we could just take a collection and send you some money. > > > I'll write the first check. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > > > > Not too sure about protocol here yet (is there any?), but I thought I'd > > > > let you know. > > > > I lost my job June 6 as Accounting Manager for a high tech consulting > > > > firm in charge of AP, AR, payroll and responsible for many other things. > > > > I just put my resume up (not too professionally) on my web site. > > > > If any of you know of any company anywhere that might be able to use my > > > > skills, please let me know. The link is: > > > > http://www.sky5.com/resume.html > > > > Many thanks, m > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
My people will be calling your people to discuss residuals. For more see: Rowing to Doha-Scene 4- (was conflict in Fiction) From: obbajeeba To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 6:20:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume Ahh. Thank you for bringing up the question. What is the definition of: "Know thy audience?" The audience, could it be this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57vaKllPg7k or this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar4X-VK7p_I A panel of FFL, who is? : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > Obbajeeba, I wasn't saying life is either spiritual or worldly, just that to > mix the two in terms of expression, while attempting to conduct business > doesn't work very well. I am not condoning an absence of spirituality, > whatever that may be, in one's life, at all. Just the opposite. "Know thy > audience", though. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > > > "In's and out's of spiritual drama," happen all the time. For instance > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpFwqUoO1JA a sickly stomach I felt when I > > heard this song years ago, before the internet. There was a time I > > questioned as to why John Lennon had an early demise and a meditating > > person once told me it was because JL wrote that song. Years later, I am > > understanding John's questioning purpose to the song. Is it very normal for > > spiritual growth to go dual? > > Then of course, I hear and read, Yoko (who performs on the above recording) > > was present at the DLF CBW concert at the Radio City Music Hall in 2009, > > and I am sure a donor to the DLF, so all is well now to create money for > > the cause. This is a good example of "In's and Out's."...and back "In." > > Typical. > > Spiritual growth and investments in tax deductions for artists to keep > > their name going, go hand in hand in the non profit world of music and art. > > Mark is a creative being telling of his adventures and I am enjoying > > reading them here on FFL. : ) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > > > > tedadams108, I think Mark will learn soon enough the difference between > > > getting caught up in the ins and outs of spiritual drama, and what it > > > actually takes to survive in the world. Better late than never... > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > > > > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I thought was > > > > the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the sandals of a man > > > > (Maharishi) who was criticized by the seller(Mark)in a film > > > > (David Wants To Fly). > > > > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > > > > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > > > > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > > > > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > > > > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > > > > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > > > > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > > > > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > > > > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > > > > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > > > > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > > > > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > > > > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to be > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > > > > be the TM Movement would it? If so, why not just say so. I have the > > > > same concern as I did about the sandals. Why put on the > > > > resume that you worked for an organization which you have repeatedly > > > > condemned and ridiculed? Like the sandals, it's justified if there is > > > > some personal gain to be had? I know we've all debated "the paradox" > > > > and dimensions both "unilateral" and "multilateral" but my point is > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
Ted, So much low hanging fruit and so little time. tedadams108 but I thought it was a place to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. I had thought this award should go to Willy (see snip below) For naming such an illustrious group of analysts, I was planning to suggest to him we take the Texas bull by the horns and establish the "FFL-Cliff Clavin award" for excellence. But after reading your post this morning I say you take it hands down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6GTZrcoWEM&feature=related For more see: Rowing to Doha-Scene 4- (was conflict in fiction) richardwillytexwilliams So, I get your point, but listen up, Pal, the only reason I'm still a reader here is because of you, Judy, BillyG, and Lawson. You're they only one's that seem to be really interested in discussing the mechanics of consciousness without going bat-shit crazy, you know what I mean? LoL! For more see: Rowing to Doha-Scene 4- (was conflict in fiction) tedadams108 I demand first refusal on Charlie's Earth shoes. As the only TM teacher who could handle a hockey puck Charlie's "The Man"! For more see: Rowing to Doha-Scene 4- (was conflict in fiction) Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (17) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
Mark, I'm sending you a cashier's check in amount of $20. I know it's not much but it's all I feel I can afford in this economy. I hope it helps. If things improve with me financially I'll follow up with more. Hopefully others on here will follow my lead and lend you a helping hand. Feel free to post on here when you receive the check. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > I'll take it. I'm not proud. I can even take credit cards. No donations of > less than a dollar accepted. See: > http://www.sky5.com/pay.htm > > Do you really still think I only hold M and TM and everything TM related with > only contempt and ridicule? If so, you have a huge blind spot. > > And, regarding my situation, if things remain as as, I'll be homeless and > penniless in about four months. And, here I am, spending all my time on > FFL... (No, I haven't expended one more iota of energy on selling M's > sandals since this whole thing began, though, today, hopefully, I will get > around to taking their photo with a camera I borrowed from a neighbor.) > > But, really, Ted, if that is your name, I think there is some deeper purpose > in your reactions to me. If I trigger you so effectively, there must be some > important thing or things we have in common. > > Perhaps your bringing up the sweet truth so long ago has something to do with > this. I was thinking I'd respond to that but then decided to let others deal > with it. > > But it's probably more my seeming chutzpah, over the top opportunism and > hypocrisy. > > If you're willing, take the time to look deeply into yourself to see what's > really going on here. Everything "out there" is a reflection of what's "in > here." The things that trigger us are the things we haven't fully met with > and processed within ourselves. If you really come up with it, interactions > between us might become fruitful. > > m > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 4:24 AM, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I thought was > > the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the sandals of a man (Maharishi) > > who was criticized by the seller(Mark)in a film > > (David Wants To Fly). > > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to be > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > > be the TM Movement would it? If so, why not just say so. I have the > > same concern as I did about the sandals. Why put on the > > resume that you worked for an organization which you have repeatedly > > condemned and ridiculed? Like the sandals, it's justified if there is > > some personal gain to be had? I know we've all debated "the paradox" and > > dimensions both "unilateral" and "multilateral" but my point is > > pretty simple and not meant to generate dozens of posts for people > > to articulate their agenda. I just question the chutzpah it > > takes to speak so negatively about an organization and yet find it > > worthy to be put in your resume. > > Maybe I'm not appreciating just how difficult your financial situation is > > that would cause you to do this. Perhaps instead of us debating the pros > > and cons of sandal selling or job hunting and > > resume posting, we could just take a collection and send you some money. > > I'll write the first check. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > > Not too sure about protocol here yet (is there any?), but I thought I'd > > > let you know. > > > I lost my job June 6 as Accounting Manager for a high tech consulting > > > firm in charge of AP, AR, payroll and responsible for many other things. > > > I just put my resume up (not too professionally) on my web site. > > > If any of you know of any company anywhere that might be able to use my > > > skills, please let me know. The link is: > > > http://www.sky5.com/resume.html > > > Many thanks, m > > > > > > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > I'll take it. I'm not proud. I can even take credit cards. No donations of > less than a dollar accepted. See: > http://www.sky5.com/pay.htm > > Do you really still think I only hold M and TM and everything TM related with > only contempt and ridicule? If so, you have a huge blind spot. > > And, regarding my situation, if things remain as as, I'll be homeless and > penniless in about four months. And, here I am, spending all my time on > FFL... (No, I haven't expended one more iota of energy on selling M's > sandals since this whole thing began, though, today, hopefully, I will get > around to taking their photo with a camera I borrowed from a neighbor.) > > But, really, Ted, if that is your name, I think there is some deeper purpose > in your reactions to me. If I trigger you so effectively, there must be some > important thing or things we have in common. > > Perhaps your bringing up the sweet truth so long ago has something to do with > this. I was thinking I'd respond to that but then decided to let others deal > with it. > > But it's probably more my seeming chutzpah, over the top opportunism and > hypocrisy. > > If you're willing, take the time to look deeply into yourself to see what's > really going on here. Everything "out there" is a reflection of what's "in > here." The things that trigger us are the things we haven't fully met with > and processed within ourselves. If you really come up with it, interactions > between us might become fruitful. > > m > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 4:24 AM, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I thought was > > the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the sandals of a man (Maharishi) > > who was criticized by the seller(Mark)in a film > > (David Wants To Fly). > > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to be > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > > be the TM Movement would it? If so, why not just say so. I have the > > same concern as I did about the sandals. Why put on the > > resume that you worked for an organization which you have repeatedly > > condemned and ridiculed? Like the sandals, it's justified if there is > > some personal gain to be had? I know we've all debated "the paradox" and > > dimensions both "unilateral" and "multilateral" but my point is > > pretty simple and not meant to generate dozens of posts for people > > to articulate their agenda. I just question the chutzpah it > > takes to speak so negatively about an organization and yet find it > > worthy to be put in your resume. > > Maybe I'm not appreciating just how difficult your financial situation is > > that would cause you to do this. Perhaps instead of us debating the pros > > and cons of sandal selling or job hunting and > > resume posting, we could just take a collection and send you some money. > > I'll write the first check. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > > Not too sure about protocol here yet (is there any?), but I thought I'd > > > let you know. > > > I lost my job June 6 as Accounting Manager for a high tech consulting > > > firm in charge of AP, AR, payroll and responsible for many other things. > > > I just put my resume up (not too professionally) on my web site. > > > If any of you know of any company anywhere that might be able to use my > > > skills, please let me know. The link is: > > > http://www.sky5.com/resume.html > > > Many thanks, m > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
Turq, Everyone is entitled to their opinion... you, me, Mark, etc. As I read posts and get to know people on here, it becomes obvious how a particular person is going to respond. Again, people on here seem to fit into two camps, each with some bias. Despite the way I composed my posts, I don't feel I fit into one particular camp or another as your responses reflect. I was just pointing out things that I felt were . inconsistent. I guess there was some value because my posts did spur quite a lot of response both supportive and non-supportive. Nothing wrong with the debate even though that was not my intent. I recognize that people have strong opinions both pro and con about Maharishi and the Movement, and that's going to affect their take on what I said whether or not I made a valid point. I'm confident Mark is the same Mark I use to know in the 70s and as such is a good person. My intent was to point out what he did, not comment on who he is. I had an issue with what he said and was motivated to say something about it, to voice my opinion. I'm sure Mark's heart is the same as it was when I knew him 40 years ago. Even though I disagree with what he has done, he was, and likely still is, a good person. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > Ted, > > I wanted to write to congratulate you on your posts about > Mark so far, but also to chide you a bit for not being as > On The Program as you should be, TM-organization-wise. > > In your first posts on the subject, you correctly pointed > out that Mark being out of work was entirely his fault for > not following every instruction given him by Maharishi, and > that it wasn't related in any way to the 14+ million other > Americans who are currently in the same position. > > Then, exhibiting the TLC (Tough Love Compassion) that Maha- > rishi taught, you did everything in your power to prevent > him from selling an asset that many (including many strong > TMers) would find valuable. Again, I congratulate you for > that, because anyone who says anything less than compli- > mentary about Maharishi MUST be punished, and severely. > I'm sure that many lurkers here (and many pro-TM posters) > joined you in hoping that Mark would starve to death in > some dark alley, the way that any such heretic deserved > to do. > > Now, in this post, you try again to keep him from finding > a job, which is admirable, but in my opinion not *nearly* > enough. Mark must be made to PAY for speaking his mind, > and speaking openly to a filmmaker about Maharishi, and > telling the truth. This is as heretical an offense today > as it was in the Middle Ages, and IMO should be punished > the same way. > > As one of the Inquisitors of the Age Of Enlightenment, I > recommend that you stop all this polite "sweet truth" > pussyfooting around and just cut to the chase. Burn Mark > at the stake. If possible, in front of a large cheering > crowd of your fellow devout TMers. > > I did a little Googling, and have found that Builder's > Emporium is having a sale this week on tar, pitch, and > large bundles of firewood. I would take advantage of > this if I were you, because in today's economy you might > not be able to count on even Invincibility to keep you > employed, and thus able to buy the "tools of your trade." > > When you perform this holy yagya of purification, don't > forget to bring the proper clean white handkerchief and > a piece of fresh fruit to throw into the flames along > with him. You might also want to consider adding the > following verse to the puja itself: "Offering Mark to > the flames of liberation, I bow down." I'm pretty > sure that Maharishi wouldn't mind. > > Turq > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I > > thought was the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the > > sandals of a man (Maharishi) who was criticized by the > > seller(Mark)in a film (David Wants To Fly). > > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to > > be Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > > be the T
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > To Whom It May Concern: I was concerned when I read it. > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I thought was > the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the sandals of a man (Maharishi) who > was criticized by the seller(Mark)in a film > (David Wants To Fly). I think he was selling the sandals not his opinion of the wearer, which were mixed. And he obviously has maintained some of the beliefs about their magicness so that is not inconsistent with selling them to someone who shares that belief. Personally if the price was low enough I would buy them as a piece of kitsch pop culture. I would like to display them next to a pair of Gaga shoes. > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. I was thinking that being inspired to write is the enjoyment of FFL... > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. I wonder which of these your post will represent. First it > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > was the place to do so. I can't think of a better place to offer the sandals than here, and it sparked all sorts of great discussions. Of course he could post them on one of the movements many open discussion forums where people meet to share ideas under the umbrella of encouraging free speech. Wait..there is a problem with this idea but it escapes me now. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to be > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > be the TM Movement would it? If so, why not just say so. I suspect because he wants to get a job and his resume is designed to discuss his relevant work experience rather then raise red flags about the employer's impressions of words like "Maharishi". When I got my first job using a resume I didn't talk about teaching TM, I talked about marketing a stress reduction technique through seminars. But of course your resume, if you have one, does the same thing so your criticism seems unfair. I have the > same concern as I did about the sandals. Why put on the > resume that you worked for an organization which you have repeatedly > condemned and ridiculed? Like the sandals, it's justified if there is> some > personal gain to be had? I hope you will post your resume where you emphasize how you felt about former employers over your work experience with them. Either you have never written a resume or you are being unfair or both. I have had butthead bosses and used my work experience for them on resumes. Their buttheadedness was not the relevant point for prospective bosses to consider. And your characterization of his complex feelings for Maharishi lacks the balance his own views have. I know we've all debated "the paradox" and dimensions both "unilateral" and "multilateral" but my point is > pretty simple and not meant to generate dozens of posts for people > to articulate their agenda. Sorry to disappoint but your post is gunna get some attention and reaction. And I am expressing a POV not an agenda since I don't know either you or Mark. < I just question the chutzpah it > takes to speak so negatively about an organization and yet find it > worthy to be put in your resume. Seriously have you had a few jobs in your life? Ever thought one sucked or that your boss was an asshole? Did you still do good work that might be relevant for a prospective employer to consider? I get it that you have a problem with Mark's attitudes toward Maharishi but this case you are trying to build is seriously bogus. > Maybe I'm not appreciating just how difficult your financial situation is > that would cause you to do this.> Make a resume that makes him look employable? I think just not having a job would be enough motivation. < Perhaps instead of us debating the pros and cons of sandal selling or job hunting and > resume posting, we could just take a collection and send you some money. I'll > write the first check. You are kicking a guy when he is down. The lack of compassion you express is revolting. If you want to read a "spiritual" response read Denise's kind response full of good advice and encouragement. I'm glad Mark found a group to interact with online that can give the guy a little wind beneath his wings. Most of us have been in his shoes and most of us have come out of s
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Or their likeness! Hah! Now the Gelflings, I must say http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Gelfling they appear harmless. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > Ha Ha - could be, though I personally wouldn't want to hang out with them! > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > > > > > > > Ahh. Thank you for bringing up the question. What is the definition of: > > "Know thy audience?" > > The audience, could it be this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57vaKllPg7k > > or this? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar4X-VK7p_I > > > > A panel of FFL, who is? : ) > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > > > > Obbajeeba, I wasn't saying life is either spiritual or worldly, just that > > > to mix the two in terms of expression, while attempting to conduct > > > business doesn't work very well. I am not condoning an absence of > > > spirituality, whatever that may be, in one's life, at all. Just the > > > opposite. "Know thy audience", though. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > > > > > > > "In's and out's of spiritual drama," happen all the time. For instance > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpFwqUoO1JA a sickly stomach I felt > > > > when I heard this song years ago, before the internet. There was a time > > > > I questioned as to why John Lennon had an early demise and a meditating > > > > person once told me it was because JL wrote that song. Years later, I > > > > am understanding John's questioning purpose to the song. Is it very > > > > normal for spiritual growth to go dual? > > > > Then of course, I hear and read, Yoko (who performs on the above > > > > recording) was present at the DLF CBW concert at the Radio City Music > > > > Hall in 2009, and I am sure a donor to the DLF, so all is well now to > > > > create money for the cause. This is a good example of "In's and > > > > Out's."...and back "In." Typical. > > > > Spiritual growth and investments in tax deductions for artists to keep > > > > their name going, go hand in hand in the non profit world of music and > > > > art. > > > > Mark is a creative being telling of his adventures and I am enjoying > > > > reading them here on FFL. : ) > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > tedadams108, I think Mark will learn soon enough the difference > > > > > between getting caught up in the ins and outs of spiritual drama, and > > > > > what it actually takes to survive in the world. Better late than > > > > > never... > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > > > > > > > > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I thought > > > > > > was > > > > > > the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the sandals of a man > > > > > > (Maharishi) who was criticized by the seller(Mark)in a film > > > > > > (David Wants To Fly). > > > > > > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > > > > > > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > > > > > > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > > > > > > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > > > > > > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > > > > > > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > > > > > > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > > > > > > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > > > > > > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > > > > > > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > > > > > > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > > > > > > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > > > > > > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to > > > > > > be > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > > > > > > be the TM Movement would it? If so, why not just say so. I have the > > > > > > same concern as I did about the sandals. Why put on the > > > > > > resume that you worked for an organization which you have repeatedly > > > > > > condemned and ridiculed? Like the sandals, it's justified if there > > > > > > is > > > > > > some personal gain to be had? I know we've all debated "the > > > > > > paradox" and dimensions both "unilateral" and "multilateral" but my > > > > > > point is > > > > > > pretty simple and not meant to generate dozens of posts for people > > > > > > to articulate their agenda. I just question the chutzpah it > > > > > > takes to speak so negatively about an organization and yet find it > > > > > > worthy to be put in your resume. > > > > > > Maybe I'm not appreciating just how difficult your financial > > > > > > situ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
Ha Ha - could be, though I personally wouldn't want to hang out with them! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > > > Ahh. Thank you for bringing up the question. What is the definition of: > "Know thy audience?" > The audience, could it be this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57vaKllPg7k > or this? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar4X-VK7p_I > > A panel of FFL, who is? : ) > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > > Obbajeeba, I wasn't saying life is either spiritual or worldly, just that > > to mix the two in terms of expression, while attempting to conduct business > > doesn't work very well. I am not condoning an absence of spirituality, > > whatever that may be, in one's life, at all. Just the opposite. "Know thy > > audience", though. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > > > > > "In's and out's of spiritual drama," happen all the time. For instance > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpFwqUoO1JA a sickly stomach I felt when > > > I heard this song years ago, before the internet. There was a time I > > > questioned as to why John Lennon had an early demise and a meditating > > > person once told me it was because JL wrote that song. Years later, I am > > > understanding John's questioning purpose to the song. Is it very normal > > > for spiritual growth to go dual? > > > Then of course, I hear and read, Yoko (who performs on the above > > > recording) was present at the DLF CBW concert at the Radio City Music > > > Hall in 2009, and I am sure a donor to the DLF, so all is well now to > > > create money for the cause. This is a good example of "In's and > > > Out's."...and back "In." Typical. > > > Spiritual growth and investments in tax deductions for artists to keep > > > their name going, go hand in hand in the non profit world of music and > > > art. > > > Mark is a creative being telling of his adventures and I am enjoying > > > reading them here on FFL. : ) > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > > > > > > tedadams108, I think Mark will learn soon enough the difference between > > > > getting caught up in the ins and outs of spiritual drama, and what it > > > > actually takes to survive in the world. Better late than never... > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > > > > > > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I thought was > > > > > the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the sandals of a man > > > > > (Maharishi) who was criticized by the seller(Mark)in a film > > > > > (David Wants To Fly). > > > > > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > > > > > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > > > > > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > > > > > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > > > > > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > > > > > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > > > > > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > > > > > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > > > > > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > > > > > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > > > > > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > > > > > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > > > > > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to be > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > > > > > be the TM Movement would it? If so, why not just say so. I have the > > > > > same concern as I did about the sandals. Why put on the > > > > > resume that you worked for an organization which you have repeatedly > > > > > condemned and ridiculed? Like the sandals, it's justified if there is > > > > > some personal gain to be had? I know we've all debated "the paradox" > > > > > and dimensions both "unilateral" and "multilateral" but my point is > > > > > pretty simple and not meant to generate dozens of posts for people > > > > > to articulate their agenda. I just question the chutzpah it > > > > > takes to speak so negatively about an organization and yet find it > > > > > worthy to be put in your resume. > > > > > Maybe I'm not appreciating just how difficult your financial > > > > > situation is that would cause you to do this. Perhaps instead of us > > > > > debating the pros and cons of sandal selling or job hunting and > > > > > resume posting, we could just take a collection and send you some > > > > > money. I'll write the first check. > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Not too sure about protocol here yet (is there any?),
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
Ahh. Thank you for bringing up the question. What is the definition of: "Know thy audience?" The audience, could it be this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57vaKllPg7k or this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar4X-VK7p_I A panel of FFL, who is? : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > Obbajeeba, I wasn't saying life is either spiritual or worldly, just that to > mix the two in terms of expression, while attempting to conduct business > doesn't work very well. I am not condoning an absence of spirituality, > whatever that may be, in one's life, at all. Just the opposite. "Know thy > audience", though. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > > > "In's and out's of spiritual drama," happen all the time. For instance > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpFwqUoO1JA a sickly stomach I felt when I > > heard this song years ago, before the internet. There was a time I > > questioned as to why John Lennon had an early demise and a meditating > > person once told me it was because JL wrote that song. Years later, I am > > understanding John's questioning purpose to the song. Is it very normal for > > spiritual growth to go dual? > > Then of course, I hear and read, Yoko (who performs on the above recording) > > was present at the DLF CBW concert at the Radio City Music Hall in 2009, > > and I am sure a donor to the DLF, so all is well now to create money for > > the cause. This is a good example of "In's and Out's."...and back "In." > > Typical. > > Spiritual growth and investments in tax deductions for artists to keep > > their name going, go hand in hand in the non profit world of music and art. > > Mark is a creative being telling of his adventures and I am enjoying > > reading them here on FFL. : ) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > > > > tedadams108, I think Mark will learn soon enough the difference between > > > getting caught up in the ins and outs of spiritual drama, and what it > > > actually takes to survive in the world. Better late than never... > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > > > > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I thought was > > > > the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the sandals of a man > > > > (Maharishi) who was criticized by the seller(Mark)in a film > > > > (David Wants To Fly). > > > > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > > > > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > > > > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > > > > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > > > > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > > > > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > > > > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > > > > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > > > > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > > > > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > > > > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > > > > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > > > > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to be > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > > > > be the TM Movement would it? If so, why not just say so. I have the > > > > same concern as I did about the sandals. Why put on the > > > > resume that you worked for an organization which you have repeatedly > > > > condemned and ridiculed? Like the sandals, it's justified if there is > > > > some personal gain to be had? I know we've all debated "the paradox" > > > > and dimensions both "unilateral" and "multilateral" but my point is > > > > pretty simple and not meant to generate dozens of posts for people > > > > to articulate their agenda. I just question the chutzpah it > > > > takes to speak so negatively about an organization and yet find it > > > > worthy to be put in your resume. > > > > Maybe I'm not appreciating just how difficult your financial situation > > > > is that would cause you to do this. Perhaps instead of us debating the > > > > pros and cons of sandal selling or job hunting and > > > > resume posting, we could just take a collection and send you some > > > > money. I'll write the first check. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Not too sure about protocol here yet (is there any?), but I thought > > > > > I'd let you know. > > > > > I lost my job June 6 as Accounting Manager for a high tech consulting > > > > > firm in charge of AP, AR, payroll and responsible for many other > > > > > things. > > > > > I just put my resume up (not too professionally) on my web site. > > > > > If any of y
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
Obbajeeba, I wasn't saying life is either spiritual or worldly, just that to mix the two in terms of expression, while attempting to conduct business doesn't work very well. I am not condoning an absence of spirituality, whatever that may be, in one's life, at all. Just the opposite. "Know thy audience", though. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > "In's and out's of spiritual drama," happen all the time. For instance > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpFwqUoO1JA a sickly stomach I felt when I > heard this song years ago, before the internet. There was a time I questioned > as to why John Lennon had an early demise and a meditating person once told > me it was because JL wrote that song. Years later, I am understanding John's > questioning purpose to the song. Is it very normal for spiritual growth to go > dual? > Then of course, I hear and read, Yoko (who performs on the above recording) > was present at the DLF CBW concert at the Radio City Music Hall in 2009, and > I am sure a donor to the DLF, so all is well now to create money for the > cause. This is a good example of "In's and Out's."...and back "In." Typical. > Spiritual growth and investments in tax deductions for artists to keep their > name going, go hand in hand in the non profit world of music and art. > Mark is a creative being telling of his adventures and I am enjoying reading > them here on FFL. : ) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > > tedadams108, I think Mark will learn soon enough the difference between > > getting caught up in the ins and outs of spiritual drama, and what it > > actually takes to survive in the world. Better late than never... > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I thought was > > > the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the sandals of a man (Maharishi) > > > who was criticized by the seller(Mark)in a film > > > (David Wants To Fly). > > > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > > > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > > > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > > > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > > > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > > > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > > > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > > > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > > > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > > > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > > > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > > > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > > > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to be > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > > > be the TM Movement would it? If so, why not just say so. I have the > > > same concern as I did about the sandals. Why put on the > > > resume that you worked for an organization which you have repeatedly > > > condemned and ridiculed? Like the sandals, it's justified if there is > > > some personal gain to be had? I know we've all debated "the paradox" and > > > dimensions both "unilateral" and "multilateral" but my point is > > > pretty simple and not meant to generate dozens of posts for people > > > to articulate their agenda. I just question the chutzpah it > > > takes to speak so negatively about an organization and yet find it > > > worthy to be put in your resume. > > > Maybe I'm not appreciating just how difficult your financial situation is > > > that would cause you to do this. Perhaps instead of us debating the pros > > > and cons of sandal selling or job hunting and > > > resume posting, we could just take a collection and send you some money. > > > I'll write the first check. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > > > > Not too sure about protocol here yet (is there any?), but I thought I'd > > > > let you know. > > > > I lost my job June 6 as Accounting Manager for a high tech consulting > > > > firm in charge of AP, AR, payroll and responsible for many other things. > > > > I just put my resume up (not too professionally) on my web site. > > > > If any of you know of any company anywhere that might be able to use my > > > > skills, please let me know. The link is: > > > > http://www.sky5.com/resume.html > > > > Many thanks, m > > > > > > > > > >
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Ted, I wanted to write to congratulate you on your posts about Mark so far, but also to chide you a bit for not being as On The Program as you should be, TM-organization-wise. In your first posts on the subject, you correctly pointed out that Mark being out of work was entirely his fault for not following every instruction given him by Maharishi, and that it wasn't related in any way to the 14+ million other Americans who are currently in the same position. Then, exhibiting the TLC (Tough Love Compassion) that Maha- rishi taught, you did everything in your power to prevent him from selling an asset that many (including many strong TMers) would find valuable. Again, I congratulate you for that, because anyone who says anything less than compli- mentary about Maharishi MUST be punished, and severely. I'm sure that many lurkers here (and many pro-TM posters) joined you in hoping that Mark would starve to death in some dark alley, the way that any such heretic deserved to do. Now, in this post, you try again to keep him from finding a job, which is admirable, but in my opinion not *nearly* enough. Mark must be made to PAY for speaking his mind, and speaking openly to a filmmaker about Maharishi, and telling the truth. This is as heretical an offense today as it was in the Middle Ages, and IMO should be punished the same way. As one of the Inquisitors of the Age Of Enlightenment, I recommend that you stop all this polite "sweet truth" pussyfooting around and just cut to the chase. Burn Mark at the stake. If possible, in front of a large cheering crowd of your fellow devout TMers. I did a little Googling, and have found that Builder's Emporium is having a sale this week on tar, pitch, and large bundles of firewood. I would take advantage of this if I were you, because in today's economy you might not be able to count on even Invincibility to keep you employed, and thus able to buy the "tools of your trade." When you perform this holy yagya of purification, don't forget to bring the proper clean white handkerchief and a piece of fresh fruit to throw into the flames along with him. You might also want to consider adding the following verse to the puja itself: "Offering Mark to the flames of liberation, I bow down." I'm pretty sure that Maharishi wouldn't mind. Turq --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tedadams108 wrote: > > To Whom It May Concern: > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I > thought was the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the > sandals of a man (Maharishi) who was criticized by the > seller(Mark)in a film (David Wants To Fly). > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to > be Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > be the TM Movement would it? If so, why not just say so. I have the > same concern as I did about the sandals. Why put on the > resume that you worked for an organization which you have repeatedly > condemned and ridiculed? Like the sandals, it's justified if there > is some personal gain to be had? I know we've all debated "the > paradox" and dimensions both "unilateral" and "multilateral" but > my point is pretty simple and not meant to generate dozens of > posts for people to articulate their agenda. I just question the > chutzpah it takes to speak so negatively about an organization > and yet find it worthy to be put in your resume. > Maybe I'm not appreciating just how difficult your financial > situation is that would cause you to do this. Perhaps instead of > us debating the pros and cons of sandal selling or job hunting > and resume posting, we could just take a collection and send you > some money. I'll write the first check. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > Not too sure about protocol here yet (is there any?), but I thought I'd let > > you know. > > I lost my job June 6 as Accounting Manager for a high tech consulting firm > > in charge of AP, AR, payroll and responsible for many other things. > > I just put my resume up (not too professionally) on my web site. > > If any of you know of any company anywhere that might be able to use my > > skills, please let me know. T
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"In's and out's of spiritual drama," happen all the time. For instance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpFwqUoO1JA a sickly stomach I felt when I heard this song years ago, before the internet. There was a time I questioned as to why John Lennon had an early demise and a meditating person once told me it was because JL wrote that song. Years later, I am understanding John's questioning purpose to the song. Is it very normal for spiritual growth to go dual? Then of course, I hear and read, Yoko (who performs on the above recording) was present at the DLF CBW concert at the Radio City Music Hall in 2009, and I am sure a donor to the DLF, so all is well now to create money for the cause. This is a good example of "In's and Out's."...and back "In." Typical. Spiritual growth and investments in tax deductions for artists to keep their name going, go hand in hand in the non profit world of music and art. Mark is a creative being telling of his adventures and I am enjoying reading them here on FFL. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > tedadams108, I think Mark will learn soon enough the difference between > getting caught up in the ins and outs of spiritual drama, and what it > actually takes to survive in the world. Better late than never... > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I thought was > > the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the sandals of a man (Maharishi) > > who was criticized by the seller(Mark)in a film > > (David Wants To Fly). > > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to be > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > > be the TM Movement would it? If so, why not just say so. I have the > > same concern as I did about the sandals. Why put on the > > resume that you worked for an organization which you have repeatedly > > condemned and ridiculed? Like the sandals, it's justified if there is > > some personal gain to be had? I know we've all debated "the paradox" and > > dimensions both "unilateral" and "multilateral" but my point is > > pretty simple and not meant to generate dozens of posts for people > > to articulate their agenda. I just question the chutzpah it > > takes to speak so negatively about an organization and yet find it > > worthy to be put in your resume. > > Maybe I'm not appreciating just how difficult your financial situation is > > that would cause you to do this. Perhaps instead of us debating the pros > > and cons of sandal selling or job hunting and > > resume posting, we could just take a collection and send you some money. > > I'll write the first check. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > > Not too sure about protocol here yet (is there any?), but I thought I'd > > > let you know. > > > I lost my job June 6 as Accounting Manager for a high tech consulting > > > firm in charge of AP, AR, payroll and responsible for many other things. > > > I just put my resume up (not too professionally) on my web site. > > > If any of you know of any company anywhere that might be able to use my > > > skills, please let me know. The link is: > > > http://www.sky5.com/resume.html > > > Many thanks, m > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's sandals and Marks resume
tedadams108, I think Mark will learn soon enough the difference between getting caught up in the ins and outs of spiritual drama, and what it actually takes to survive in the world. Better late than never... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tedadams108 wrote: > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > As you may be aware, a few days ago I commented on what I thought was > the hypocrisy of trying to capitalize on the sandals of a man (Maharishi) who > was criticized by the seller(Mark)in a film > (David Wants To Fly). > Opinions on both sides of the pro/con camps > flooded in. Just when I felt I could once again sit back and enjoy > the posts on FFL, something else has caused me to respond. > Maybe I don't understand the forum, but I thought it was a place > to share in philosophical ideas, spiritual debate, etc. First it > was selling sandals to make some money, now it's a resume in hopes > of getting a job. I mean I have a pair of Charlie Donahue's earth > shoes I would sell (for the right price), and wouldn't mind > attracting more customers in my business, but didn't think this > was the place to do so. Anyway, regarding the resume Mark, > you state that you were the personal assistant to the Founder of > a worldwide educational organization called the World Plan Executive > Council in Seelisburg Switzerland. The Founder wouldn't happen to be > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would it, and the organization wouldn't > be the TM Movement would it? If so, why not just say so. I have the > same concern as I did about the sandals. Why put on the > resume that you worked for an organization which you have repeatedly > condemned and ridiculed? Like the sandals, it's justified if there is > some personal gain to be had? I know we've all debated "the paradox" and > dimensions both "unilateral" and "multilateral" but my point is > pretty simple and not meant to generate dozens of posts for people > to articulate their agenda. I just question the chutzpah it > takes to speak so negatively about an organization and yet find it > worthy to be put in your resume. > Maybe I'm not appreciating just how difficult your financial situation is > that would cause you to do this. Perhaps instead of us debating the pros and > cons of sandal selling or job hunting and > resume posting, we could just take a collection and send you some money. I'll > write the first check. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > Not too sure about protocol here yet (is there any?), but I thought I'd let > > you know. > > I lost my job June 6 as Accounting Manager for a high tech consulting firm > > in charge of AP, AR, payroll and responsible for many other things. > > I just put my resume up (not too professionally) on my web site. > > If any of you know of any company anywhere that might be able to use my > > skills, please let me know. The link is: > > http://www.sky5.com/resume.html > > Many thanks, m > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
OK, Curtis, I'm glad you've come clean, finally. You've acknowledged that you used trickery more than once in this exchange. That doesn't surprise me; what does surprise me is that you did it so deliberately. I had been willing to assume that you were so angry you weren't consciously aware of most of the stuff you pull. Now I have to assume the opposite, that it's all in the interests of making "as compelling a case" as you can, and when you feel you've been attacked, ethics goes out the window if they get in the way of making that case. The misreadings I was attributing to blind anger are all calculated, geared to making yourself look good and denigrating the person you perceive to have attacked you. And you're "at peace" with all this, even with denying you said something when confronted with quotes from the posts in which you said it. It's worse than I thought. You've certainly made it crystal clear that there's no point in trying to engage any aspect of you but your Mr. Wonderful persona. Now that I know they're deliberate, I won't try to clean up any of the misreadings in the current post. We both know what they are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > OK, let's take it from the top... > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > Fun to watch Curtis (and Edg, but to a lesser extent > > > > because he isn't immediately involved) stand on his > > > > head to avoid seeing what's actually going on here, > > > > exercising his creative powers to the utmost to come > > > > up with an alternate story line that will allow him > > > > to feel less bad about himself. > > > > > > So the mission of the sour plum is to help assist me > > > feeling badly about myself? So noble, so kind. So you. > > > > But your feeling bad about yourself is the problem *in > > the first place*. If you didn't try to deny those bad > > feelings but confronted them--made friends with your > > Shadow, as I put it below--you'd be able to feel > > authentically good about yourself without all the Band- > > Aids. > > An interesting case to try to make about me, and one that in my life's > experience is unique to you Judy. Personally I think you are just reaching > for a bad thing about a good guy. That's right, my self image is that I am a > good person who likes people and loves his life. Sorry to disappoint. > > > > > > > Two hints: (1) Not looking for a guru in Curtis; and > > > > (2) anger *per se* isn't the problem. It's the Hulk- > > > > like transformation the anger triggers that's the > > > > problem. Or maybe Jekyll/Hyde is a better analogy. > > > > > > Off my schtick for a moment here. Your complaint is > > > ridiculously pointed at me for the most human quality of > > > reacting angrily to hostility and (what seems to me) > > > unfair attack. > > > > Already addressed. How much clearer could I have been > > that anger *per se* isn't the problem I have with you? > > > > > There is nothing hulk-like about this switch. > > > > Already addressed. I explained that the Hulk and Jekyll/ > > Hyde were metaphors for the extreme contrast between Mr. > > Wonderful and how you behave when you address a hostile > > challenge. > > Most people act differently when they are being treated nicely and fairly > compared to being attacked. I am not unique in this despite your clumsy > attempts to make this case. > > > > > > > > You more than anyone here has an agenda to get my goat > > > > I have no such agenda. > > This seems dishonest but it isn't something I could prove. > > > > > > and when you succeed you claim it as a personality defect > > > rather than the natural reaction that you yourself share > > > here. > > > > No, again, as I've said, it's the creature you become > > when your goat has been gotten. You get my goat too, but > > I deal with it straightforwardly without fighting dirty. > > Yes, the Hulk-like transformation is a personality > > defect. Do you think you don't have any personality > > defects, unlike anybody else in the world? I've got 'em, > > you've got 'em, everybody got 'em. > > I think you would be about the last person in the world I would go to for > insight into this. > > > > > > You are trying to demonize me for trying to gain rapport > > > with people here (that is being Mr. Wonderful) and then > > > reacting defensively when attacked. And a typical cycle > > > of triggers is if any poster has a run of too many positive > > > posts with me. It seems to unhinge you. > > > > This is just silly. I have NO problem with Mr. Wonderful > > or with your positive exchanges with others. I enjoy it > > when you're in this mode as much as anybody else does. I > > do have the sense that you sometimes work on it a little > > harder than you need to, that you're havin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > OK, let's take it from the top... > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > Fun to watch Curtis (and Edg, but to a lesser extent > > > because he isn't immediately involved) stand on his > > > head to avoid seeing what's actually going on here, > > > exercising his creative powers to the utmost to come > > > up with an alternate story line that will allow him > > > to feel less bad about himself. > > > > So the mission of the sour plum is to help assist me > > feeling badly about myself? So noble, so kind. So you. > > But your feeling bad about yourself is the problem *in > the first place*. If you didn't try to deny those bad > feelings but confronted them--made friends with your > Shadow, as I put it below--you'd be able to feel > authentically good about yourself without all the Band- > Aids. An interesting case to try to make about me, and one that in my life's experience is unique to you Judy. Personally I think you are just reaching for a bad thing about a good guy. That's right, my self image is that I am a good person who likes people and loves his life. Sorry to disappoint. > > > > Two hints: (1) Not looking for a guru in Curtis; and > > > (2) anger *per se* isn't the problem. It's the Hulk- > > > like transformation the anger triggers that's the > > > problem. Or maybe Jekyll/Hyde is a better analogy. > > > > Off my schtick for a moment here. Your complaint is > > ridiculously pointed at me for the most human quality of > > reacting angrily to hostility and (what seems to me) > > unfair attack. > > Already addressed. How much clearer could I have been > that anger *per se* isn't the problem I have with you? > > > There is nothing hulk-like about this switch. > > Already addressed. I explained that the Hulk and Jekyll/ > Hyde were metaphors for the extreme contrast between Mr. > Wonderful and how you behave when you address a hostile > challenge. Most people act differently when they are being treated nicely and fairly compared to being attacked. I am not unique in this despite your clumsy attempts to make this case. > > > > You more than anyone here has an agenda to get my goat > > I have no such agenda. This seems dishonest but it isn't something I could prove. > > > and when you succeed you claim it as a personality defect > > rather than the natural reaction that you yourself share > > here. > > No, again, as I've said, it's the creature you become > when your goat has been gotten. You get my goat too, but > I deal with it straightforwardly without fighting dirty. > Yes, the Hulk-like transformation is a personality > defect. Do you think you don't have any personality > defects, unlike anybody else in the world? I've got 'em, > you've got 'em, everybody got 'em. I think you would be about the last person in the world I would go to for insight into this. > > > You are trying to demonize me for trying to gain rapport > > with people here (that is being Mr. Wonderful) and then > > reacting defensively when attacked. And a typical cycle > > of triggers is if any poster has a run of too many positive > > posts with me. It seems to unhinge you. > > This is just silly. I have NO problem with Mr. Wonderful > or with your positive exchanges with others. I enjoy it > when you're in this mode as much as anybody else does. I > do have the sense that you sometimes work on it a little > harder than you need to, that you're having trouble > convincing *yourself*. So you go for Mr. Super-Wonderful > to compensate. That was a bit tortured wasn't it? And given how snaky my posts are it is bullshit. There are some people I communicate with in a consistently friendly style, but it is mutual so I have no need to "work it harder" And your Dr. Phil analysis is laughable. I am friendlier with many people here and more interested in people than you are. I am also a professional entertainer and you are a professional picker of nits. So rather than chalk up our different styles to our different temperaments, you imagine a hidden flaw that I need to convince myself of what again...? Made up bullshit at best and outright projection at worst. > > The sense I have is that your image of yourself as Mr. > Wonderful is precarious. And that's why you overdo it > at times, and also why you freak out when you're > challenged. I don't conform in any way to your made up fantasy. And I don't overdo any aspect of the friendliness I exhibit here with some posters. Unlike you I am very expressive of my emotions. You know, like a performer might be. > > > > At any rate, Curtis might find it of benefit to do > > > some reading/thinking about Jung's recommendation > > > to acknowledge and ultimately accept one's Shadow > > > side. If you can make friends with your Shadow, > > > you're a lot more likely to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Very spooky images, thanks for the back story on the song. > > > > It isn't that I feel stalked but there is a definite "I > > am an excellent driver, I am an excellent driver" Rainman > > quality to the exchanges. There is something off about it > > all. Combined with the ill-wishing it makes for a creepy > > combo. > > Rainman is too benevolent. Having endured it myself > for 17 years, I'm gonna go with "creepy." Just for the record, for Barry to pose as the *victim* in our encounters goes way beyond creepy. It's either a humongous, utterly shameless lie, or a really serious delusion. He attacked me gratuitously on a regular basis during our years on alt.m.t; he attacked me on FFL *before I joined it*, before had any idea that I *would* join it. And once I did join it, he continued attacking me here on a regular basis, either directly or indirectly. He's also followed me to several other forums for the purpose of attacking me--and has then had the incredible chutzpah to pretend I've "stalked" *him*. Unless, as I suggested, his mind has so deteriorated that he really believes what he says.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > Do you still do TM? > > > No. I sit and be with whatever arises. Usually, after a while, it all > subsides and I am in some form of samadhi. Usually, the time being with > what's arising exceeds the time in samadhi. > > > Mark, that is honest. As I survey around here that is what a lot of old meditators say and do. They've graduated in a sense back to something else that is effortless, transcendental and meditating. Most still see themselves as being 'meditators'. Most here are not doing the TM-siddhis actively. Lately a lot of people have gone through and rotated off of the current Invincible America Course noting the time doing the TM-siddhis is too long and boring. So they've reverted back to simply meditating. This actually is an un-stated community problem that the TB'ers left administrating inside have on their hands in making the TM-siddhis their flag-ship. Most folks around here no longer regularly practice the siddhis as their meditation. Most just are not vested in the siddhis anymore. In trend over the years, Meditators here mostly have left the siddhis in storage and only occassionally get them out. The 'TM-siddhis' movement has mostly gone on as meditators. Witness that there really are just a very few hundreds doing the 'siddhis' in the domes now. As a meditating movement this is basically the size of what the TM-movement is facilitating now as a meditating movement and what it is down to now. As I ask around most are not doing the siddhis as their meditation practice but say when asked that they would go up there for a group meditation if it were open. That, yes they are still meditators and practice. The movement as it is has long since abdicated the simple meditator promoting the siddhis the TM flag-ship three and almost four decades ago. The conservatives in charge now evidently are determined to go down with their ship rather than accomodate a course. To them it is all about the siddhis. To meditators in the larger community it evidently is about something else.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Barry I have read your message and I disagree with everything you say :-). I have plenty to say both when dealing with the "low vibe", "slime ball" writers and otherwise. I do have a life, works, friends, family - thanks for asking. I can't get to post until late in the day most of the times. So you are completely wrong that I'm here for attention except yours and other "low vibe", "slime ball" wannabe writers. And I have completely different way of looking things than Judy, we both seem to be very emotionally secure and seem to sometimes come to a similar conclusion especially if it involves certain "low vibe", "slime ball" writer wannabes. The BATGAP interview is only a lie for the "low vibe", "slime ball" types since it becomes easy for me to play a similar game as them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > Barry - I think she will be around as long as you, Vaj and > > other "lowvibe", "slime ball" posters (your own words) > > continue to indulge in your lies and deception. It seems > > you would like to wish she disappear... > > > ...it's not pleasant for her deal with "low vibe", "slime > > ball" posters, it's not pleasant for others, sure she does > > come on strong but I'm glad she does what she does. > > Thanks Judy !! > > Ravi, let's review a little bit, shall we? YOU are > the person with the most egregious history of lying > on this forum. You came to *as the result of a lie*, > having conned Rick into thinking you were awakened. > You have since admitted many times that this was the > case. You, in fact, have no history with TM or MMY > at all, never having learned TM. But here you are, > week after week, sucking energy on FFL because (IMO) > it's the only attention you've ever gotten in your > entire life, and now you're addicted to it. > > Judy never busts you on your *admitted* lies because > you're in her "posse." She can count on you to "pile > on" to the same people she tries to demonize, as part > of her ongoing obsessive behavior. > > You like Judy IMO *because* she's a classic example > of obsession, and that enables you to "pile on" to > the people on her Enemies List. If she weren't doing > this, I don't think I'm alone here in believing that > you wouldn't have anything else to say. > > Unlike Judy, I'm not trying to convince anyone of > anything or get them to act the way they "should." > I merely present opinions, and allow people to react > to them (or not) as they choose. I stopped interfacing > with Judy directly some time ago, and it's as if she > never noticed. She keeps writing "to" me, but IMO > only because that gives her an opportunity to rag on > one of her enemies *for the lurkers*. It's people like > YOU she's writing to, not me. She's hoping to suck you > into her obsession, and get you to obsess on it as > well. > > For most people on this forum, that has not worked. > They have lives. > > It's worked on you, and based on what you post here you > don't seem to have much of one, other than to pile on > to Other People's Obsessions and Other People's Enemies, > in a kind of continual, needy "Look at me...look at me" > act. > > My suggestion is that the people who ignore Judy's > obsession and her continual (a minimum of 50% of her > posts every week devoted to trying to "get" either Vaj, > Curtis or myself) attempts to suck other people into > it have somewhat strong minds, and lives. The only > people she's managed to suck into this obsession so > far don't strike me as either having very strong minds, > or much going on for them in terms of having a life. > > The preceding was opinion. I don't ask that anyone > agree with it, and I don't care whether they believe > it. Now run that same test against Judy's rants. Seems > to me that she cares VERY MUCH that other people not > only agree with her, but act out the way she does, > and join her in her obsession. It's probably a good > thing that you and maybe three others on this forum > do so, or she'd have to come to grips with the fact > that her whole multi-year vendetta on this forum was > a waste of time, and a waste of life. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
OK, let's take it from the top... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Fun to watch Curtis (and Edg, but to a lesser extent > > because he isn't immediately involved) stand on his > > head to avoid seeing what's actually going on here, > > exercising his creative powers to the utmost to come > > up with an alternate story line that will allow him > > to feel less bad about himself. > > So the mission of the sour plum is to help assist me > feeling badly about myself? So noble, so kind. So you. But your feeling bad about yourself is the problem *in the first place*. If you didn't try to deny those bad feelings but confronted them--made friends with your Shadow, as I put it below--you'd be able to feel authentically good about yourself without all the Band- Aids. > > Two hints: (1) Not looking for a guru in Curtis; and > > (2) anger *per se* isn't the problem. It's the Hulk- > > like transformation the anger triggers that's the > > problem. Or maybe Jekyll/Hyde is a better analogy. > > Off my schtick for a moment here. Your complaint is > ridiculously pointed at me for the most human quality of > reacting angrily to hostility and (what seems to me) > unfair attack. Already addressed. How much clearer could I have been that anger *per se* isn't the problem I have with you? > There is nothing hulk-like about this switch. Already addressed. I explained that the Hulk and Jekyll/ Hyde were metaphors for the extreme contrast between Mr. Wonderful and how you behave when you address a hostile challenge. > You more than anyone here has an agenda to get my goat I have no such agenda. > and when you succeed you claim it as a personality defect > rather than the natural reaction that you yourself share > here. No, again, as I've said, it's the creature you become when your goat has been gotten. You get my goat too, but I deal with it straightforwardly without fighting dirty. Yes, the Hulk-like transformation is a personality defect. Do you think you don't have any personality defects, unlike anybody else in the world? I've got 'em, you've got 'em, everybody got 'em. > You are trying to demonize me for trying to gain rapport > with people here (that is being Mr. Wonderful) and then > reacting defensively when attacked. And a typical cycle > of triggers is if any poster has a run of too many positive > posts with me. It seems to unhinge you. This is just silly. I have NO problem with Mr. Wonderful or with your positive exchanges with others. I enjoy it when you're in this mode as much as anybody else does. I do have the sense that you sometimes work on it a little harder than you need to, that you're having trouble convincing *yourself*. So you go for Mr. Super-Wonderful to compensate. The sense I have is that your image of yourself as Mr. Wonderful is precarious. And that's why you overdo it at times, and also why you freak out when you're challenged. > > At any rate, Curtis might find it of benefit to do > > some reading/thinking about Jung's recommendation > > to acknowledge and ultimately accept one's Shadow > > side. If you can make friends with your Shadow, > > you're a lot more likely to get it to work with you > > rather than against you. > > First of all please don't attempt to couch your malevolent > intentions toward me as some kind of exercise in opening > my eyes to greater self knowledge. I don't have "malevolent intentions" toward you. Jeez, how paranoid! I do think you could use some help in opening your eyes to greater self-knowledge. Sue me. > You don't have the empathy skills needed, or even the core > level kindness toward other people that would be required. Well, not sure how you determine the requisite levels. Obviously you think you require gentler treatment. I don't buy that. > You are not a people person Judy. It reveals itself again > and again in your low emotional intelligence displayed in > your posts. > > And secondly, for you to chastise me for having "anger > triggers". I haven't chastised you for having "anger triggers." I don't know where you got that from. As I said elsewhere, you wouldn't be normal if you didn't have anger triggers. The problem is *what happens to you* when your anger gets triggered. How many more times do I have to make that point? On to the next... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > Curtis, you keep *proving my point*. When you get angry, > > > > you go blind. I can't count the number of misreadings > > > > of what I've said in what you write below. You're > > > > responding to posts you wrote in your own mind and > > > > attributed to me, not to my actual posts. How much of >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
You've been ignoring Judy for 17 years?? Wow. Just like in this post and the thousands of others you've written about her, I suppose. (cue 'Twilight Zone' music). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Very spooky images, thanks for the back story on the song. > > > > It isn't that I feel stalked but there is a definite "I > > am an excellent driver, I am an excellent driver" Rainman > > quality to the exchanges. There is something off about it > > all. Combined with the ill-wishing it makes for a creepy > > combo. > > Rainman is too benevolent. Having endured it myself > for 17 years, I'm gonna go with "creepy." > > > I think the contempt she has for what she calls the Mr. > > Wonderful persona is her aversion to genuinely showing > > up authentically without all bravado and bullshittery > > of having to maintain her self-imagined superiority, > > her much touted higher ethical standards and need to > > "win" casual discussions. > > Bingo. I think Judy primarily runs on JealousyOS. She > honestly doesn't *understand* how people can just be > themselves and get others to like them or appreciate > their creative endeavors without constantly trying > to micromanage their image. Personally I think that > a lot of this has to do with the fact that she hasn't > ever been able to *be* creative, and thus has never > experienced what it's like to just stand back and > allow one's writing or one's music to say it all > for them, with no further comment or spin. But what- > ever the cause, I think you're correct. > > > She does not believe she is one of the bozos on this bus. > > Very definitely. And isn't it fascinating that one > of her most common memes is that she's stalking the > people she stalks because *they* present themselves > as superior? I don't think I'm alone here in suggest- > ing that you never have; your equanimity and your > *lack* of superiority are among your most admirable > qualities. And her reaction to this is to try to > spin *herself* as more moral and more ethical and > more honest than you are? Does not compute. Bt. > > I'm replying only because, as I suggested earlier, a > sane person would have accepted your brushoff as the > major dumpage it was, and walked away. Clearly she is > not going to be able to do this, and IMO will spend > pretty much the remainder of her posts this week > trying her best to lure you back into a head-to-head > battle with her. > > You can go there if you want, but just as you said > about her, I think you have more important things to > say than that. YOU have the ability to Just Say No, > and allow her to obsess all by herself. Just sayin'. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I rebuke thee, I rebuke the, I rebuke thee. Get thee behind me. > > > > > > > > (I've heard that works.) > > > > > > Curtis, this whole exchange, and the concerted attempt > > > to keep you in it and continually replying, never to > > > escape, reminds me of an interesting song by Sarah > > > McLachlan. > > > > > > There is an interesting story behind it. She wrote it > > > to exorcise a guy who had been stalking her, somewhat > > > dangerously. He kept writing her letters, sending her > > > things, and telling her details of a love life between > > > the two of them that he only imagined existed. He imag- > > > ined that her song lyrics were written directly to him, > > > and gave him "secret messages" that she returned his > > > affections. When she ignored him, he persisted. When > > > she told him to get lost, he turned nasty, and started > > > to send her rape fantasies instead of roses. and she > > > had to call in the police. After they steered the sick > > > fuck to the enforced psychiatric help he'd needed for > > > some time, Sarah wrote this song to get the bad taste > > > of it all out of her mind. Many of the lyrics are > > > directly from the stalker's letters. > > > > > > The song became one of her biggest hits. Living well > > > is the best revenge. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucdnm8iU-5c&ob=av2e > > > > > > Listen as the wind blows > > > From across the great divide > > > Voices trapped in yearning > > > Memories trapped in time > > > The night is my companion > > > And solitude my guide > > > Would I spend forever here > > > And not be satisfied > > > > > > And I would be the one > > > To hold you down > > > Kiss you so hard > > > I'll take your breath away > > > And after I'd wipe away the tears > > > Just close your eyes dear > > > > > > Through this world I've stumbled > > > So many times betrayed > > > Trying to find an honest word > > > To find the truth enslaved > > > Oh you speak to me in riddles and > > > You speak to me in rhymes > > > My body aches to breathe your br
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On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Mark Landau wrote: > > > Yes, but how does one live on less than 900 a month? > > > You like rice and dahl, right? Move to India. Don't we have a retired postman living in Brazil who's active, or used to be, in this group?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Only you would even be able to dig up posts I have dropped > > for lack of interest in pursuing it beyond making our points > > and realizing it was going nowhere. > > This is rich. Curtis had accused me of not being able to > respond to his posts. I went back *one exchange* to cite > an example (one of many) of his being the one to drop out > of a discussion. > > Bottom line, in his mind, if he drops an exchange, it's > because he finds it boring; whereas if I drop an exchange, > it's because I'm unable to respond to his brilliant > argumentation. > Seems the only conclusion possible to me... L...
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > No need to state the obvious. Curtis has done such an excellent job > of documenting it, over and over and over again via his own inner > integrity. Vaj, an expert on integrity now. That's an interesting turn of events !
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 2:45 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:43 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > You'll notice that no one ever takes her up on her "offer" > > > > to "document everything." The readers don't care because > > > > 1) they've heard it all before, 2) because her obsession > > > > with these "enemies" never mattered to them in the first > > > > place, and 3) because they have lives. > > > > > > That is the correct answer! You win a chain of > > > insulting email messages from J. Stein, editor at large! ;-) > > > > > > > But neither of you are claiming #4: she's lying. > > > > Why is that, I wonder... > > No need to state the obvious. Curtis has done such an excellent job > of documenting it, over and over and over again via his own inner > integrity. It became glaringly obvious even to those who missed it > before or ignored it out of some shared angst for which Judy was a > kind of spokesperson. > Ah, how could I have missed that, I wonder... L.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > [Barry wrote:] > I think Judy primarily runs on JealousyOS. She > honestly doesn't *understand* how people can just be > themselves and get others to like them or appreciate > their creative endeavors without constantly trying > to micromanage their image. Some can, and some can't. Some *could* but engage in micromanaging anyway. In their own estimation, they're never Wonderful *enough*. > And isn't it fascinating that one > of her most common memes is that she's stalking the > people she stalks because *they* present themselves > as superior? Just you, toots. > I don't think I'm alone here in suggest- > ing that you never have; your equanimity and your > *lack* of superiority are among your most admirable > qualities. True generally speaking. But he doesn't take criticism well. And her reaction to this is to try to > spin *herself* as more moral and more ethical and > more honest than you are? Does not compute. Bt. ??? Non sequitur. > I'm replying only because, as I suggested earlier, a > sane person would have accepted your brushoff as the > major dumpage it was, and walked away. (How is this an explanation of why Barry is replying?) Not after the person doing the dumping accused them of bluffing: Judy: Gonna give you just one example from your previous post (don't have time now to fisk the whole collection of misreadings). Curtis: But of course. The reader is left to assume that you have lots of them. Terms like a "boatload" would be helpful in enhancing the impression of your misleading assertion. Clearly she is > not going to be able to do this, and IMO will spend > pretty much the remainder of her posts this week > trying her best to lure you back into a head-to-head > battle with her. In fact, it's likely to be just one more post going through the boatload of Curtis's misreadings. He called my hand when he shouldn't have. I believe Curtis when he says he isn't going to respond. That's been his habit, after all, for quite a while, bailing when he finds himself in a corner.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > Very spooky images, thanks for the back story on the song. > > It isn't that I feel stalked but there is a definite "I > am an excellent driver, I am an excellent driver" Rainman > quality to the exchanges. There is something off about it > all. Combined with the ill-wishing it makes for a creepy > combo. Rainman is too benevolent. Having endured it myself for 17 years, I'm gonna go with "creepy." > I think the contempt she has for what she calls the Mr. > Wonderful persona is her aversion to genuinely showing > up authentically without all bravado and bullshittery > of having to maintain her self-imagined superiority, > her much touted higher ethical standards and need to > "win" casual discussions. Bingo. I think Judy primarily runs on JealousyOS. She honestly doesn't *understand* how people can just be themselves and get others to like them or appreciate their creative endeavors without constantly trying to micromanage their image. Personally I think that a lot of this has to do with the fact that she hasn't ever been able to *be* creative, and thus has never experienced what it's like to just stand back and allow one's writing or one's music to say it all for them, with no further comment or spin. But what- ever the cause, I think you're correct. > She does not believe she is one of the bozos on this bus. Very definitely. And isn't it fascinating that one of her most common memes is that she's stalking the people she stalks because *they* present themselves as superior? I don't think I'm alone here in suggest- ing that you never have; your equanimity and your *lack* of superiority are among your most admirable qualities. And her reaction to this is to try to spin *herself* as more moral and more ethical and more honest than you are? Does not compute. Bt. I'm replying only because, as I suggested earlier, a sane person would have accepted your brushoff as the major dumpage it was, and walked away. Clearly she is not going to be able to do this, and IMO will spend pretty much the remainder of her posts this week trying her best to lure you back into a head-to-head battle with her. You can go there if you want, but just as you said about her, I think you have more important things to say than that. YOU have the ability to Just Say No, and allow her to obsess all by herself. Just sayin'. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > I rebuke thee, I rebuke the, I rebuke thee. Get thee behind me. > > > > > > (I've heard that works.) > > > > Curtis, this whole exchange, and the concerted attempt > > to keep you in it and continually replying, never to > > escape, reminds me of an interesting song by Sarah > > McLachlan. > > > > There is an interesting story behind it. She wrote it > > to exorcise a guy who had been stalking her, somewhat > > dangerously. He kept writing her letters, sending her > > things, and telling her details of a love life between > > the two of them that he only imagined existed. He imag- > > ined that her song lyrics were written directly to him, > > and gave him "secret messages" that she returned his > > affections. When she ignored him, he persisted. When > > she told him to get lost, he turned nasty, and started > > to send her rape fantasies instead of roses. and she > > had to call in the police. After they steered the sick > > fuck to the enforced psychiatric help he'd needed for > > some time, Sarah wrote this song to get the bad taste > > of it all out of her mind. Many of the lyrics are > > directly from the stalker's letters. > > > > The song became one of her biggest hits. Living well > > is the best revenge. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucdnm8iU-5c&ob=av2e > > > > Listen as the wind blows > > From across the great divide > > Voices trapped in yearning > > Memories trapped in time > > The night is my companion > > And solitude my guide > > Would I spend forever here > > And not be satisfied > > > > And I would be the one > > To hold you down > > Kiss you so hard > > I'll take your breath away > > And after I'd wipe away the tears > > Just close your eyes dear > > > > Through this world I've stumbled > > So many times betrayed > > Trying to find an honest word > > To find the truth enslaved > > Oh you speak to me in riddles and > > You speak to me in rhymes > > My body aches to breathe your breath > > You words keep me alive > > > > And I would be the one > > To hold you down > > Kiss you so hard > > I'll take your breath away > > And after I'd wipe away the tears > > Just close your eyes dear > > > > Into this night I wander > > It's morning that I dread > > Another day of knowing of > > The path I fear to tread > > Oh into the sea of waking dreams > > I follow without pride > > Nothing stands between us here > > And I won't be denied > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > Only you would even be able to dig up posts I have dropped > for lack of interest in pursuing it beyond making our points > and realizing it was going nowhere. This is rich. Curtis had accused me of not being able to respond to his posts. I went back *one exchange* to cite an example (one of many) of his being the one to drop out of a discussion. Bottom line, in his mind, if he drops an exchange, it's because he finds it boring; whereas if I drop an exchange, it's because I'm unable to respond to his brilliant argumentation.
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That's because donkeys don't think very clearly. Our very own Eeyore struts around on all fours thinking the world of himself, while everyone else just looks at him and thinks, "What an ass". I have always found his thinking confused, evasive, unclear and contradictory. I am not sure there is enough grey matter there in his donkey brain for him to know when he is intentionally lying. Oh and for those who think I am insulting him, I'll use Vaj's excuse that I am practicing "wrathful compassion", whatever the f*ck that is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 2:45 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:43 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > You'll notice that no one ever takes her up on her "offer" > > > > > to "document everything." The readers don't care because > > > > > 1) they've heard it all before, 2) because her obsession > > > > > with these "enemies" never mattered to them in the first > > > > > place, and 3) because they have lives. > > > > > > > > That is the correct answer! You win a chain of > > > > insulting email messages from J. Stein, editor at large! ;-) > > > > > > But neither of you are claiming #4: she's lying. > > > > > > Why is that, I wonder... > > > > No need to state the obvious. Curtis has done such an > > excellent job of documenting it, over and over and over > > again via his own inner integrity. It became glaringly > > obvious even to those who missed it before or ignored > > it out of some shared angst for which Judy was a kind > > of spokesperson. > > Interestingly, until our exchange prior to this one, > Curtis had never accused me of lying, at least not on > FFL. He did say in an exchange prior to *that* one > that he had done so on alt.m.t, but he refused to give > examples, and I don't recall this. > > In fact, he said in that exchange: > > "Suffice it to say that we both doubted each other's > credibility back then but have moved beyond that now." > > As to the recent accusation, he got that one wrong. In > that case it was probably my fault for not being > clearer, but I explained what I had meant in post > #282345. > > Bottom line, Curtis has accused me of lying on FFL > exactly once, but failed entirely to document it. What > Vaj wrote above is pure fantasy. It's a lie, in fact. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 2:45 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:43 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > You'll notice that no one ever takes her up on her "offer" > > > > to "document everything." The readers don't care because > > > > 1) they've heard it all before, 2) because her obsession > > > > with these "enemies" never mattered to them in the first > > > > place, and 3) because they have lives. > > > > > > That is the correct answer! You win a chain of > > > insulting email messages from J. Stein, editor at large! ;-) > > > > But neither of you are claiming #4: she's lying. > > > > Why is that, I wonder... > > No need to state the obvious. Curtis has done such an > excellent job of documenting it, over and over and over > again via his own inner integrity. It became glaringly > obvious even to those who missed it before or ignored > it out of some shared angst for which Judy was a kind > of spokesperson. Interestingly, until our exchange prior to this one, Curtis had never accused me of lying, at least not on FFL. He did say in an exchange prior to *that* one that he had done so on alt.m.t, but he refused to give examples, and I don't recall this. In fact, he said in that exchange: "Suffice it to say that we both doubted each other's credibility back then but have moved beyond that now." As to the recent accusation, he got that one wrong. In that case it was probably my fault for not being clearer, but I explained what I had meant in post #282345. Bottom line, Curtis has accused me of lying on FFL exactly once, but failed entirely to document it. What Vaj wrote above is pure fantasy. It's a lie, in fact.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > I think the contempt she has for what she calls the Mr. > Wonderful persona Ooops, no, another big misreading. More on this later.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Thanks Vaj, that made me feel...well...wonderful! > > Good luck, Curtis. You've made your position clear, > and that as far as you are concerned the conversation > has surpassed your threshold of boringnessitude, and > thus is over. It's interesting that Curtis decided the conversation had become too boring for him to participate in after he'd suggested that I was bluffing when I said I had a lot more of his misreadings to point out, and the way I responded made him fear (correctly) that he'd been very wrong.
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On Jul 25, 2011, at 2:45 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:43 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > You'll notice that no one ever takes her up on her "offer" > > to "document everything." The readers don't care because > > 1) they've heard it all before, 2) because her obsession > > with these "enemies" never mattered to them in the first > > place, and 3) because they have lives. > > That is the correct answer! You win a chain of > insulting email messages from J. Stein, editor at large! ;-) > But neither of you are claiming #4: she's lying. Why is that, I wonder... No need to state the obvious. Curtis has done such an excellent job of documenting it, over and over and over again via his own inner integrity. It became glaringly obvious even to those who missed it before or ignored it out of some shared angst for which Judy was a kind of spokesperson.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:40 AM, emptybill wrote: > > > Vag - you are a fool who cannot provide > > your sources because you have none. You > > just read this stuff and make believe. This is > > why you bullshit everyone here. > > > My source was Paul Mason you idiot. We've talked about it in > considerable detail. > Paul Mason interviews people with an ax to grind. THis is called "one side of the story." L.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:43 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > You'll notice that no one ever takes her up on her "offer" > > to "document everything." The readers don't care because > > 1) they've heard it all before, 2) because her obsession > > with these "enemies" never mattered to them in the first > > place, and 3) because they have lives. > > That is the correct answer! You win a chain of > insulting email messages from J. Stein, editor at large! ;-) > But neither of you are claiming #4: she's lying. Why is that, I wonder... L.
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On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:14 AM, authfriend wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote > > I suspect your usefulness to others here has a long way to > go before it dwindles, but it's certainly your call. More > important is whether it's useful to yourself. > Thank you, we'll see. It definitely has been helpful, though it's taking far more of my time and energy than may be good for me. > > > But I really did have resistance to the flying. I think I > > was the last one in my group to start. I remember saying > > something like "Can you imagine angels doing this? This > > seems like it's more for monkeys." It seemed very > > undignified to me. > > Very unlikely on its face as a means to development of > consciousness, but obviously what happens "inside" is > of more significance than the outward appearance. > > Of course > > But once I started I did have a lot of thrilling bliss with it. > > I took the flying block at MUM with my then-boyfriend. > Shortly after we began the actual practice, my boyfriend > started feeling utterly miserable physically and > psychically. He was told to stay in his room and given a > special program; his meals were brought to him. He never > told me what the program involved. The second day of this, > I paid him a (strictly verboten) visit. He looked > frighteningly haggard; he looked *dark*. I was worried > that the special program wasn't doing him any good. He > did tell me he hadn't done any hopping in the flying hall. > > But he stuck with it, and a few days later emerged > seemingly transformed. He went back to the flying hall, > started hopping almost immediately, and glowed with bliss > for the remainder of the course. > > Me, I started hopping the third or fourth day, with a > bit of insomnia the first couple of nights my only > negative experience. I certainly enjoyed it, but I > didn't have any bliss until years of regular practice > later. For me the benefits were and still are more in > daily life than in program. > > I suppose the bottom line is that we all get what we > need, one way or the other, and that it's folly to > judge our experiences by comparing them with those of > others. > > Thanks for this. I didn't have any symptoms. Just no impulse to hop and resistance to the outer seeming absurdity. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
So do you say that you never claimed to be a , Mason, a Nath, a Dzogchen-pa on this forum? What is your Hindu sampradaya? What is your Buddhist lineage? So you claim to have none? Where/When did you learn TM. Who was your initiator? You claim to have learned the TM-Sidhis program. Where/When? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:43 AM, emptybill wrote: > > > These are the sources the poet-pandit used - > > and that which was demanded be discarded > > by HH Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. > > He found it vile and demanded it's destruction. > > > > Mahesh, lying to his own guru, kept it and repurposed > > it for fun and $ and to fool westerners enamored with the east > > > > So you claim this is on Paul Mason's website? Where? > > No I didn't claim that. > > Read it again. > > > > > > > Where/When did you learn TM. Who was your initiator? > > You claim to have learned the TM-Sidhis program. > > Where/When? > > > > You claim to be a Mason, a Nath, a Dzogchen-pa. > > What is your sampradaya, both Hindu and "Buddhist?. > > You have none. > > That's not true either. Stop making up lies and mind your own > business, I'm not your teacher. You sure do seem to be a slow learner. >
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Very spooky images, thanks for the back story on the song. It isn't that I feel stalked but there is a definite "I am an excellent driver, I am an excellent driver" Rainman quality to the exchanges. There is something off about it all. Combined with the ill-wishing it makes for a creepy combo. I think the contempt she has for what she calls the Mr. Wonderful persona is her aversion to genuinely showing up authentically without all bravado and bullshittery of having to maintain her self-imagined superiority, her much touted higher ethical standards and need to "win" casual discussions. She does not believe she is one of the bozos on this bus. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > I rebuke thee, I rebuke the, I rebuke thee. Get thee behind me. > > > > (I've heard that works.) > > Curtis, this whole exchange, and the concerted attempt > to keep you in it and continually replying, never to > escape, reminds me of an interesting song by Sarah > McLachlan. > > There is an interesting story behind it. She wrote it > to exorcise a guy who had been stalking her, somewhat > dangerously. He kept writing her letters, sending her > things, and telling her details of a love life between > the two of them that he only imagined existed. He imag- > ined that her song lyrics were written directly to him, > and gave him "secret messages" that she returned his > affections. When she ignored him, he persisted. When > she told him to get lost, he turned nasty, and started > to send her rape fantasies instead of roses. and she > had to call in the police. After they steered the sick > fuck to the enforced psychiatric help he'd needed for > some time, Sarah wrote this song to get the bad taste > of it all out of her mind. Many of the lyrics are > directly from the stalker's letters. > > The song became one of her biggest hits. Living well > is the best revenge. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucdnm8iU-5c&ob=av2e > > Listen as the wind blows > From across the great divide > Voices trapped in yearning > Memories trapped in time > The night is my companion > And solitude my guide > Would I spend forever here > And not be satisfied > > And I would be the one > To hold you down > Kiss you so hard > I'll take your breath away > And after I'd wipe away the tears > Just close your eyes dear > > Through this world I've stumbled > So many times betrayed > Trying to find an honest word > To find the truth enslaved > Oh you speak to me in riddles and > You speak to me in rhymes > My body aches to breathe your breath > You words keep me alive > > And I would be the one > To hold you down > Kiss you so hard > I'll take your breath away > And after I'd wipe away the tears > Just close your eyes dear > > Into this night I wander > It's morning that I dread > Another day of knowing of > The path I fear to tread > Oh into the sea of waking dreams > I follow without pride > Nothing stands between us here > And I won't be denied > > And I would be the one > To hold you down > Kiss you so hard > I'll take your breath away > And after I'd wipe away the tears > Just close your eyes dear >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > Thanks Vaj, that made me feel...well...wonderful! Good luck, Curtis. You've made your position clear, and that as far as you are concerned the conversation has surpassed your threshold of boringnessitude, and thus is over. A sane person, told this, would let it drop. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:54 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > > > It is not. It is boring. And as I mentioned before, you are > > > pissing away opportunities for discussion on your endless > > > rancorous mission to make me look bad. > > > > Fortunately for you, these back-and-forths actually end up > > making you look better, and Judy seem strangely obsessed. > > There's a movie waiting to be made about a Personality > > Disordered chick who leaves her support group and withdraws > > into her interweb world, unleashing her unknowing victims > > with her wounded inner child. Someone should invent a Judy > > computer virus that forces her computer to shut down and > > makes her have to go OUTSIDE (yes Judy, that strange > > environment with the blue and white top, with the greenish > > looking bottom. Watch out for the moving objects on those > > black stripy things). > > >
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Thanks Vaj, that made me feel...well...wonderful! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:54 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > It is not. It is boring. And as I mentioned before, you are pissing > > away opportunities for discussion on your endless rancorous mission > > to make me look bad. > > > Fortunately for you, these back-and-forths actually end up making you > look better, and Judy seem strangely obsessed. There's a movie > waiting to be made about a Personality Disordered chick who leaves > her support group and withdraws into her interweb world, unleashing > her unknowing victims with her wounded inner child. Someone should > invent a Judy computer virus that forces her computer to shut down > and makes her have to go OUTSIDE (yes Judy, that strange environment > with the blue and white top, with the greenish looking bottom. Watch > out for the moving objects on those black stripy things). >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > I rebuke thee, I rebuke the, I rebuke thee. Get thee behind me. > > (I've heard that works.) Curtis, this whole exchange, and the concerted attempt to keep you in it and continually replying, never to escape, reminds me of an interesting song by Sarah McLachlan. There is an interesting story behind it. She wrote it to exorcise a guy who had been stalking her, somewhat dangerously. He kept writing her letters, sending her things, and telling her details of a love life between the two of them that he only imagined existed. He imag- ined that her song lyrics were written directly to him, and gave him "secret messages" that she returned his affections. When she ignored him, he persisted. When she told him to get lost, he turned nasty, and started to send her rape fantasies instead of roses. and she had to call in the police. After they steered the sick fuck to the enforced psychiatric help he'd needed for some time, Sarah wrote this song to get the bad taste of it all out of her mind. Many of the lyrics are directly from the stalker's letters. The song became one of her biggest hits. Living well is the best revenge. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucdnm8iU-5c&ob=av2e Listen as the wind blows >From across the great divide Voices trapped in yearning Memories trapped in time The night is my companion And solitude my guide Would I spend forever here And not be satisfied And I would be the one To hold you down Kiss you so hard I'll take your breath away And after I'd wipe away the tears Just close your eyes dear Through this world I've stumbled So many times betrayed Trying to find an honest word To find the truth enslaved Oh you speak to me in riddles and You speak to me in rhymes My body aches to breathe your breath You words keep me alive And I would be the one To hold you down Kiss you so hard I'll take your breath away And after I'd wipe away the tears Just close your eyes dear Into this night I wander It's morning that I dread Another day of knowing of The path I fear to tread Oh into the sea of waking dreams I follow without pride Nothing stands between us here And I won't be denied And I would be the one To hold you down Kiss you so hard I'll take your breath away And after I'd wipe away the tears Just close your eyes dear
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:54 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: It is not. It is boring. And as I mentioned before, you are pissing away opportunities for discussion on your endless rancorous mission to make me look bad. Fortunately for you, these back-and-forths actually end up making you look better, and Judy seem strangely obsessed. There's a movie waiting to be made about a Personality Disordered chick who leaves her support group and withdraws into her interweb world, unleashing her unknowing victims with her wounded inner child. Someone should invent a Judy computer virus that forces her computer to shut down and makes her have to go OUTSIDE (yes Judy, that strange environment with the blue and white top, with the greenish looking bottom. Watch out for the moving objects on those black stripy things).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Dear Robin, I fully understand everything you say here and agree and can give you a partial reason for my "uniqueness" in this. In so doing, of course, I open myself to thorough ridicule and dismissal, but perhaps this is good. I might as well give the best possible reason for dismissal to those who have the inclination. And I do love transparency, oftentimes and still, far more than seems good for me. Is this one of those times? Should I send this as a private email to Robin? Perhaps. Maybe probably or even definitely. But knowing me... Who knows, it may even have some value for someone here or posterity. And, of course, it's the truth, which I also do love. In early '69, two years before learning TM, I had a psychotic reaction to a massive dose of LSD. I was institutionalized, given massive doses of Thorazine and released. For me, the experience was very spiritual. But I definitely lost all grounding and appreciation for the rules of normal behavior. This, of course, had many repercussions in my life, but one of the consequences was that, seemingly, many of the innate filters that surround our perceptual apparatus and, IME, our very soul, were stripped away leaving me far more open than previously to that which was before me. It also led to my spiritual awakenings in Australia that ultimately brought me to TM. So when I saw, in M, something I really wanted to take in, I had, perhaps, more of the means to do so than most and didn't hold back. You probably did answer this in previous posts, but I would appreciate your saving me the time and effort. 1. Did you never have any past life memories come up? And, if you did, do you now hold them to be mystical lies? and 2. Do you hold that M is frozen as he is somewhere until judgement day? Thank you, m On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:27 AM, maskedzebra wrote: > Dear Mark, > > Put it this way: whatever you took in to yourself that was Maharishi was such > as to be the means for 'God' or reality to transfer this knowledge directly > to me. > > This transference, and what was transferred goes beyond, I think, whatever > you could consciously know about what you had received into your > consciousness and being that constituted who Maharishi was. > > Not only this, what was put into me because of you went beyond anything I > could conceive or experience through any kind of intention. > > There is something about you Mark that enabled what I needed to know about > Maharishi to be put inside of me such as to create this tremendous and > definitive liberation. > > Maharishi, almost as God would know him, was, through your own vulnerability > and sensitivity and objectivity and intelligence, formed inside of me such > that I immediately knew that I finally 'knew' who Maharishi was. > > In other words Maharishi has been incarnated inside of my intelligence > through a kind of supernatural objectivity. It is entirely an event beyond > the capabilities of either you or me. > > But the key thing here is: You (and this would be true even if you had no > conscious knowledge of this—at least fully conscious knowledge of it) possess > a certain singular sensibility when it comes to spiritual reality—and more > specifically Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. > > My anxiety, my trauma, my perplexity, my obsession, my searching just > suddenly ended in an instant: And I recognized that I was apprehending who > Maharishi really was. And what I was apprehending *had nothing to do with > anything I had previously known or experienced.* I had virtually got nowhere > in this quest—until you came along. > > Although, as I have already related to you, listening to your comments on > David Sieveking's film riveted me like nothing else in that film, and perhaps > like nothing else I had ever heard about Maharishi. > > Then your three posts. > > The cause and effect principle here transcends both of us, but the essential > requirement was for you to be the particular human being that you are. And I > would have to believe, based upon what has happened to me, that it is your > unique destiny to carry inside of you—regardless, as I say, of how much of > this you consciously can access, much less articulate—more of the reality of > what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi really was as a man and a human being than anyone > else who has ever known him. > > Recollect: I did not say that any particular *content* of your three posts > did it for me. It was a much more subtle process than this. It was the > created being named Mark Landau who, in the presence of Maharishi Mahesh > Yogi, acquired certain impressions; these impressions went deep down into > yourself. And then when the need was there inside of me > to *know* who Maharishi was in a way that I did not and could not know him up > until then, God or reality—the simple intelligence of loving goodness which > is behind all of this creation (and you, and me, and Maharishi)—took this > p
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-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Note Curtis's inability to respond with reasoned argument > to my post, and his use of ad hominem as a substitute-- > exactly what he had just got done falsely accusing *me* > of doing. > How would Mr. Wonderful respond...I know, guilty as charged Judy. You got me there, that is exactly what I was doing. > More later. You may have to go this thread alone from here on Judy because I am running out of ways to amuse myself. Chalk it up as another win in your "I'm gunna wear you down" strategy." > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Only you would even be able to dig up posts I have dropped for lack of > > interest in pursuing it beyond making our points and realizing it was going > > nowhere. > > > > Judy: > > > > snip > > > If you were honest, you'd acknowledge that in most of our > > > hostile exchanges, you're the one to back out, not me. The > > > most recent example was our exchange immediately previous > > > to this one, where you failed to respond to this post: > > > > snip > > > responding?> > > > > > > Because you wear me down Judy as you have here. We both make our points, > > disagree and then you continue to post as if answering your hostile > > assertions is endlessly entertaining. > > > > It is not. It is boring. And as I mentioned before, you are pissing away > > opportunities for discussion on your endless rancorous mission to make me > > look bad. > > > > It is boring. No, you have become boring. I am not interested in your > > making a case that I am something different from your own Mr. Wonderful > > fantasy. It is a false impression you have created and endlessly try to > > make me buy into, as if this could even be possible. Both version of me are > > your own fantasy. > > > > This mission consumes you with an intensity that I find distasteful. You > > are an ill-wisher, a malevolent person toward me. You do not wish me well, > > you wish me ill. Your agenda is unfriendly. You are the sourest > > of...Goddam I wish I had not taken that off the table so quickly, now I am > > going to have to come up with something else...you are not nice Judy. A > > sand thrower in the sandbox of FFL. And because all the neighborhood cats > > use the park's sandbox for their litter, your thrown sand stinks. And the > > sand is boring...oh hell now I've gone too far and lost it again. OK here > > goes: > > > > I rebuke thee, I rebuke the, I rebuke thee. Get thee behind me. > > > > (I've heard that works.) > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gonna give you just one example from your previous post > > > > > (don't have time now to fisk the whole collection of > > > > > misreadings): > > > > > > > > But of course. The reader is left to assume that you have > > > > lots of them. Terms like a "boatload" would be helpful > > > n enhancing the impression of your misleading assertion. > > > > > > "Boatload" is good, especially when we add the new ones > > > in the post I'm responding to. I still don't have time, > > > though. I'm working on a deadline, and I'm behind. > > > > > > What will you say, I wonder, when I'm able to get around > > > to it and make good on my claim? > > > > > > In the meantime, I'll nail one assertion in this post that > > > isn't just a misreading but a deliberate falsehood: > > > > > > > > > > Since I do not transform into a hideous creature when > > > > confronted with your hostile accusations but respond with > > > > my POV which differs from yours, > > > > > > You do become a "hideous creature," though, in > > > comparison with your Mr. Wonderful presentation. That > > > was the whole point of the Hulk and Jekyll/Hyde analogy. > > > But I suspect you knew that. > > > > > > I will assume that this > > > > mischaractorization is one a long history of ad hominem > > > > characterizations meant to distract from your inability > > > > to answer my responses with reasoned argument. And > > > > because you claim that I become a murderous monster, you > > > > believe you are conveniently let off the hook of responding. > > > > Does that really work for you, because from this end it > > > > seems pretty transparently lame. > > > > > > If you were honest, you'd acknowledge that in most of our > > > hostile exchanges, you're the one to back out, not me. The > > > most recent example was our exchange immediately previous > > > to this one, where you failed to respond to this post: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/282863 > > > > > > What's your excuse for letting yourself off the hook of > > > responding? > > > > > > I rarely do ad hominem without having
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Note Curtis's inability to respond with reasoned argument to my post, and his use of ad hominem as a substitute-- exactly what he had just got done falsely accusing *me* of doing. More later. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > Only you would even be able to dig up posts I have dropped for lack of > interest in pursuing it beyond making our points and realizing it was going > nowhere. > > Judy: > > snip > > If you were honest, you'd acknowledge that in most of our > > hostile exchanges, you're the one to back out, not me. The > > most recent example was our exchange immediately previous > > to this one, where you failed to respond to this post: > > snip > responding?> > > > Because you wear me down Judy as you have here. We both make our points, > disagree and then you continue to post as if answering your hostile > assertions is endlessly entertaining. > > It is not. It is boring. And as I mentioned before, you are pissing away > opportunities for discussion on your endless rancorous mission to make me > look bad. > > It is boring. No, you have become boring. I am not interested in your > making a case that I am something different from your own Mr. Wonderful > fantasy. It is a false impression you have created and endlessly try to make > me buy into, as if this could even be possible. Both version of me are your > own fantasy. > > This mission consumes you with an intensity that I find distasteful. You are > an ill-wisher, a malevolent person toward me. You do not wish me well, you > wish me ill. Your agenda is unfriendly. You are the sourest of...Goddam I > wish I had not taken that off the table so quickly, now I am going to have to > come up with something else...you are not nice Judy. A sand thrower in the > sandbox of FFL. And because all the neighborhood cats use the park's sandbox > for their litter, your thrown sand stinks. And the sand is boring...oh hell > now I've gone too far and lost it again. OK here goes: > > I rebuke thee, I rebuke the, I rebuke thee. Get thee behind me. > > (I've heard that works.) > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Gonna give you just one example from your previous post > > > > (don't have time now to fisk the whole collection of > > > > misreadings): > > > > > > But of course. The reader is left to assume that you have > > > lots of them. Terms like a "boatload" would be helpful > > n enhancing the impression of your misleading assertion. > > > > "Boatload" is good, especially when we add the new ones > > in the post I'm responding to. I still don't have time, > > though. I'm working on a deadline, and I'm behind. > > > > What will you say, I wonder, when I'm able to get around > > to it and make good on my claim? > > > > In the meantime, I'll nail one assertion in this post that > > isn't just a misreading but a deliberate falsehood: > > > > > > > Since I do not transform into a hideous creature when > > > confronted with your hostile accusations but respond with > > > my POV which differs from yours, > > > > You do become a "hideous creature," though, in > > comparison with your Mr. Wonderful presentation. That > > was the whole point of the Hulk and Jekyll/Hyde analogy. > > But I suspect you knew that. > > > > I will assume that this > > > mischaractorization is one a long history of ad hominem > > > characterizations meant to distract from your inability > > > to answer my responses with reasoned argument. And > > > because you claim that I become a murderous monster, you > > > believe you are conveniently let off the hook of responding. > > > Does that really work for you, because from this end it > > > seems pretty transparently lame. > > > > If you were honest, you'd acknowledge that in most of our > > hostile exchanges, you're the one to back out, not me. The > > most recent example was our exchange immediately previous > > to this one, where you failed to respond to this post: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/282863 > > > > What's your excuse for letting yourself off the hook of > > responding? > > > > I rarely do ad hominem without having *first* responded > > with reasoned argument. I don't use the former as a > > substitute for the latter. I know you're aware of that, > > so why are you pretending otherwise? > > > > > > "The thing is, when you get pissed, you lose all sense > > > > of proportion and fairness, and you too often become > > > > actively dishonest, hauling out one straw man after > > > > another, as you just did above. You pull out your > > > > sophist debating tricks and make it impossible to > > > > discuss misunderstandings and grievances on either > > > > side." > > > > > > Yeah sounds to me as if when I confr
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Only you would even be able to dig up posts I have dropped for lack of interest in pursuing it beyond making our points and realizing it was going nowhere. Judy: snip > If you were honest, you'd acknowledge that in most of our > hostile exchanges, you're the one to back out, not me. The > most recent example was our exchange immediately previous > to this one, where you failed to respond to this post: snip Because you wear me down Judy as you have here. We both make our points, disagree and then you continue to post as if answering your hostile assertions is endlessly entertaining. It is not. It is boring. And as I mentioned before, you are pissing away opportunities for discussion on your endless rancorous mission to make me look bad. It is boring. No, you have become boring. I am not interested in your making a case that I am something different from your own Mr. Wonderful fantasy. It is a false impression you have created and endlessly try to make me buy into, as if this could even be possible. Both version of me are your own fantasy. This mission consumes you with an intensity that I find distasteful. You are an ill-wisher, a malevolent person toward me. You do not wish me well, you wish me ill. Your agenda is unfriendly. You are the sourest of...Goddam I wish I had not taken that off the table so quickly, now I am going to have to come up with something else...you are not nice Judy. A sand thrower in the sandbox of FFL. And because all the neighborhood cats use the park's sandbox for their litter, your thrown sand stinks. And the sand is boring...oh hell now I've gone too far and lost it again. OK here goes: I rebuke thee, I rebuke the, I rebuke thee. Get thee behind me. (I've heard that works.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > Gonna give you just one example from your previous post > > > (don't have time now to fisk the whole collection of > > > misreadings): > > > > But of course. The reader is left to assume that you have > > lots of them. Terms like a "boatload" would be helpful > n enhancing the impression of your misleading assertion. > > "Boatload" is good, especially when we add the new ones > in the post I'm responding to. I still don't have time, > though. I'm working on a deadline, and I'm behind. > > What will you say, I wonder, when I'm able to get around > to it and make good on my claim? > > In the meantime, I'll nail one assertion in this post that > isn't just a misreading but a deliberate falsehood: > > > > Since I do not transform into a hideous creature when > > confronted with your hostile accusations but respond with > > my POV which differs from yours, > > You do become a "hideous creature," though, in > comparison with your Mr. Wonderful presentation. That > was the whole point of the Hulk and Jekyll/Hyde analogy. > But I suspect you knew that. > > I will assume that this > > mischaractorization is one a long history of ad hominem > > characterizations meant to distract from your inability > > to answer my responses with reasoned argument. And > > because you claim that I become a murderous monster, you > > believe you are conveniently let off the hook of responding. > > Does that really work for you, because from this end it > > seems pretty transparently lame. > > If you were honest, you'd acknowledge that in most of our > hostile exchanges, you're the one to back out, not me. The > most recent example was our exchange immediately previous > to this one, where you failed to respond to this post: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/282863 > > What's your excuse for letting yourself off the hook of > responding? > > I rarely do ad hominem without having *first* responded > with reasoned argument. I don't use the former as a > substitute for the latter. I know you're aware of that, > so why are you pretending otherwise? > > > > "The thing is, when you get pissed, you lose all sense > > > of proportion and fairness, and you too often become > > > actively dishonest, hauling out one straw man after > > > another, as you just did above. You pull out your > > > sophist debating tricks and make it impossible to > > > discuss misunderstandings and grievances on either > > > side." > > > > Yeah sounds to me as if when I confront your BS with > > reasoned argument you can't respond effectively so you > > pull the old ad hominem out of your very tiny bag of > > tricks > > The post quoted above was an example of the falsity of > your assertion. The "ad hominem" came at the end, after > I'd thoroughly fisked your previous post. It was you who > couldn't respond with reasoned argument. > > > and hope I wont notice. Newsflash, I do. > > Hmm, I expected you to claim you'd somehow managed to > miss the post. You've just neatly
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > In the meantime, I'll nail one assertion in this post that > isn't just a misreading but a deliberate falsehood: Before Curtis tries to muddy things still further by making a huge deal of the fact that my first comment below isn't about a deliberate falsehood: That's true, it's about another misreading. I added it after I'd written the second comment, which *is* about a deliberate falsehood and was all I had intended to deal with in this post at first. > > > Since I do not transform into a hideous creature when > > confronted with your hostile accusations but respond with > > my POV which differs from yours, > > You do become a "hideous creature," though, in > comparison with your Mr. Wonderful presentation. That > was the whole point of the Hulk and Jekyll/Hyde analogy. > But I suspect you knew that. > > I will assume that this > > mischaractorization is one a long history of ad hominem > > characterizations meant to distract from your inability > > to answer my responses with reasoned argument. And > > because you claim that I become a murderous monster, you > > believe you are conveniently let off the hook of responding. > > Does that really work for you, because from this end it > > seems pretty transparently lame. > > If you were honest, you'd acknowledge that in most of our > hostile exchanges, you're the one to back out, not me. The > most recent example was our exchange immediately previous > to this one, where you failed to respond to this post: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/282863 > > What's your excuse for letting yourself off the hook of > responding? > > I rarely do ad hominem without having *first* responded > with reasoned argument. I don't use the former as a > substitute for the latter. I know you're aware of that, > so why are you pretending otherwise? > > > > "The thing is, when you get pissed, you lose all sense > > > of proportion and fairness, and you too often become > > > actively dishonest, hauling out one straw man after > > > another, as you just did above. You pull out your > > > sophist debating tricks and make it impossible to > > > discuss misunderstandings and grievances on either > > > side." > > > > Yeah sounds to me as if when I confront your BS with > > reasoned argument you can't respond effectively so you > > pull the old ad hominem out of your very tiny bag of > > tricks > > The post quoted above was an example of the falsity of > your assertion. The "ad hominem" came at the end, after > I'd thoroughly fisked your previous post. It was you who > couldn't respond with reasoned argument. > > > and hope I wont notice. Newsflash, I do. > > Hmm, I expected you to claim you'd somehow managed to > miss the post. You've just neatly disposed of that > potential excuse for not responding to it.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Landau Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 10:12 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals Do they have to leave every six months? I don't think so. This is an article about a friend of mine who moved his parents there: http://www.itsabouttimebpp.com/Announcements/Man_takes_his_elderly_ill_paren ts_overseas_for_lower_bills.html.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Gonna give you just one example from your previous post > > (don't have time now to fisk the whole collection of > > misreadings): > > But of course. The reader is left to assume that you have > lots of them. Terms like a "boatload" would be helpful n enhancing the impression of your misleading assertion. "Boatload" is good, especially when we add the new ones in the post I'm responding to. I still don't have time, though. I'm working on a deadline, and I'm behind. What will you say, I wonder, when I'm able to get around to it and make good on my claim? In the meantime, I'll nail one assertion in this post that isn't just a misreading but a deliberate falsehood: > Since I do not transform into a hideous creature when > confronted with your hostile accusations but respond with > my POV which differs from yours, You do become a "hideous creature," though, in comparison with your Mr. Wonderful presentation. That was the whole point of the Hulk and Jekyll/Hyde analogy. But I suspect you knew that. I will assume that this > mischaractorization is one a long history of ad hominem > characterizations meant to distract from your inability > to answer my responses with reasoned argument. And > because you claim that I become a murderous monster, you > believe you are conveniently let off the hook of responding. > Does that really work for you, because from this end it > seems pretty transparently lame. If you were honest, you'd acknowledge that in most of our hostile exchanges, you're the one to back out, not me. The most recent example was our exchange immediately previous to this one, where you failed to respond to this post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/282863 What's your excuse for letting yourself off the hook of responding? I rarely do ad hominem without having *first* responded with reasoned argument. I don't use the former as a substitute for the latter. I know you're aware of that, so why are you pretending otherwise? > > "The thing is, when you get pissed, you lose all sense > > of proportion and fairness, and you too often become > > actively dishonest, hauling out one straw man after > > another, as you just did above. You pull out your > > sophist debating tricks and make it impossible to > > discuss misunderstandings and grievances on either > > side." > > Yeah sounds to me as if when I confront your BS with > reasoned argument you can't respond effectively so you > pull the old ad hominem out of your very tiny bag of > tricks The post quoted above was an example of the falsity of your assertion. The "ad hominem" came at the end, after I'd thoroughly fisked your previous post. It was you who couldn't respond with reasoned argument. > and hope I wont notice. Newsflash, I do. Hmm, I expected you to claim you'd somehow managed to miss the post. You've just neatly disposed of that potential excuse for not responding to it.
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On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Landau Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:32 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals Yes, but how does one live on less than 900 a month? Move to India! I know people who were barely scraping by in the US who are living like kings in Pondicherry. I know people who are living in a rented house with servants on the interest off of 100,000 USD in northern India.
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Do they have to leave every six months? On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:10 AM, Rick Archer wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Mark Landau > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:32 AM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals > > > > > > Yes, but how does one live on less than 900 a month? > > Move to India! I know people who were barely scraping by in the US who are > living like kings in Pondicherry. > > > > >
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Landau Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:32 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals Yes, but how does one live on less than 900 a month? Move to India! I know people who were barely scraping by in the US who are living like kings in Pondicherry.
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On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:43 AM, emptybill wrote: These are the sources the poet-pandit used - and that which was demanded be discarded by HH Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He found it vile and demanded it's destruction. Mahesh, lying to his own guru, kept it and repurposed it for fun and $ and to fool westerners enamored with the east So you claim this is on Paul Mason's website? Where? No I didn't claim that. Read it again. Where/When did you learn TM. Who was your initiator? You claim to have learned the TM-Sidhis program. Where/When? You claim to be a Mason, a Nath, a Dzogchen-pa. What is your sampradaya, both Hindu and "Buddhist?. You have none. That's not true either. Stop making up lies and mind your own business, I'm not your teacher. You sure do seem to be a slow learner.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > Judy never busts you on your *admitted* lies Um, why should I need to when he's admitted them himself? Plus which, I never saw the BatGap interview, so I have no idea what the lies he admits to were all about. I couldn't "bust" him if I wanted to. > because > you're in her "posse." She can count on you to "pile > on" to the same people she tries to demonize, as part > of her ongoing obsessive behavior. No, Barry, that's your fantasy. My criticisms of you stand on their own regardless of whether anybody "piles on" or comes to similar conclusions entirely independently of anything I've said. > You like Judy IMO *because* she's a classic example > of obsession, and that enables you to "pile on" to > the people on her Enemies List. If she weren't doing > this, I don't think I'm alone here in believing that > you wouldn't have anything else to say. Barry, you discredit yourself. Anybody who's been reading Ravi's posts has seen that he has plenty to say besides criticizing folks I've criticized.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
These are the sources the poet-pandit used - and that which was demanded be discarded by HH Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He found it vile and demanded it's destruction. Mahesh, lying to his own guru, kept it and repurposed it for fun and $ and to fool westerners enamored with the east So you claim this is on Paul Mason's website? Where? Where/When did you learn TM. Who was your initiator? You claim to have learned the TM-Sidhis program. Where/When? You claim to be a Mason, a Nath, a Dzogchen-pa. What is your sampradaya, both Hindu and "Buddhist?. You have none. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:40 AM, emptybill wrote: > > > Vag - you are a fool who cannot provide > > your sources because you have none. You > > just read this stuff and make believe. This is > > why you bullshit everyone here. > > > My source was Paul Mason you idiot. We've talked about it in > considerable detail. >
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On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Mark Landau wrote: Yes, but how does one live on less than 900 a month? Outsource your retirement to India or Indonesia?
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On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:54 AM, obbajeeba wrote: Reads like a Danielle Steel novel or lawsuit. lol. You men love Judy and you know it. I do not personally know any of you dudes, but from what I read, a love affair of the heart is all over these threads. : ) I would agree that Judy does have many lovable qualities.
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Yes, but how does one live on less than 900 a month? On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:08 PM, fflmod wrote: > You should read up on social security, Mark. Last I looked, retiring early > would net more money in the long run if the retiree lived long enough. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > Thank you, Sal. My main reason for posting it here is in the hopes that > > readers might know appropriate people and let them know. > > No, I never tried to sell them here. They were featured in David Wants To > > Fly, if anyone saw that. > > To me, for these, $1,000 is one of those small amounts I wouldn't consider. > > Do you really think anyone would be searching ebay for a pair of M's > > sandals? Perhaps I don't understand how ebay works. > > My age group is eligible for full retirement at 66. The more years I wait, > > the more I would get per month. > > I hope to secure another job, but could very much use a significant influx > > of cash in the not too distant future... > > I hope not to have to resort to state sponsored programs, but one never > > knows... > > > > On Jul 18, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 2011, at 4:18 PM, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > >> At sixty-five, I have very little savings and have lost my job. I was > > >> planning to work into my seventies. My predicament forces me to attempt > > >> to sell them. I am hoping that the person they are meant to go to will > > >> have the wherewithal and will to honor their value. As 108 for over four > > >> years, I spent around $100K working for the movement pretty much seven > > >> days a week (when not rounding). As 108s, we weren't paid, paid $1000 a > > >> month "so as not to be a financial drain on the movement," and paid all > > >> our own travel (and sometimes other) expenses. Small amounts will not be > > >> considered. > > >> > > >> Another possibility is donating to me so I can donate them to the > > >> movement. > > >> > > > Mark, this sounds familiar. Didn't you try > > > > > > selling them here a few years back? Did > > > > > > you ever try the suggestions about ebay? Sorry > > > to hear you're in such dire circumstances, but I > > > am failing to see what the sale of the sandals, even > > > if they were to bring in, say, $1000, is going to do > > > for you in the long run, not to mention that > > > trying to sell MMY memorabilia on a forum filled with > > > disillusioned former TMers is a serious losing battle. > > > You're 65? Then you're eligible > > > for SS. You don't say what your "predicament" is, > > > but there are various programs in most states for seniors on > > > fixed incomes, or no income. > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > Curtis, you keep *proving my point*. When you get angry, > > > you go blind. I can't count the number of misreadings > > > of what I've said in what you write below. You're > > > responding to posts you wrote in your own mind and > > > attributed to me, not to my actual posts. How much of > > > that is willful and how much is due to the red spots > > > in front of your eyes, I couldn't say. > > > > The burden of clear communication is on the writer Judy, > > as an editor you should know that. > > Total bullshit in this context. The writer can't be blamed > for not being able to overcome a reader's hostile > determination to misunderstand. That is certainly a novel way to avoid the responsibility to make yourself clear Judy. Does that really work for you? I wonder if that works both ways and if you yourself have demonstrated a "hostile determination to misunderstand" what I have written. You may have provided a key for me to understand the clusterfuck morass we end up in more often than not. Yes I think this is a useful concept. It does not, however, apply to me. I am good "understander" and apply those skills to what you write with no "hostile determination to misunderstand". > > Gonna give you just one example from your previous post > (don't have time now to fisk the whole collection of > misreadings): > But of course. The reader is left to assume that you have lots of them. Terms like a "boatload" would be helpful in enhancing the impression of your misleading assertion. > > > > > > Two hints: (1) Not looking for a guru in Curtis; and > > > > > (2) anger *per se* isn't the problem. It's the Hulk- > > > > > like transformation the anger triggers that's the > > > > > problem. Or maybe Jekyll/Hyde is a better analogy. > > > > > > > > Off my schtick for a moment here. Your complaint is > > > > ridiculously pointed at me for the most human quality of > > > > reacting angrily to hostility and (what seems to me) > > > > unfair attack. > > I say "anger *per se* isn't the problem," and you respond > that I'm complaining about your anger. Let me stop you there. Despite your lip service to it not being anger, you compare my "transformation" to the Hulk, the personification of anger so intense that he threw cars around to emphasize his point and another murderous monster. Since I do not transform into a hideous creature when confronted with your hostile accusations but respond with my POV which differs from yours, I will assume that this mischaractorization is one a long history of ad hominem characterizations meant to distract from your inability to answer my responses with reasoned argument. And because you claim that I become a murderous monster, you believe you are conveniently let off the hook of responding. Does that really work for you, because from this end it seems pretty transparently lame. "I am usually pretty close in understanding what is being > conveyed." Sure, if understanding the direct opposite of > what is being conveyed is what you call "pretty close"! Yeah, so it isn't the anger per se, it is the fact that I become a murderous monster under its influence. Got it. > > And I've already been very specific a number of times > about what I mean by "transformation." In my last post > in our previous exchange, I put it this way: You have made that point abundantly clear from the dramatic characters you chose to illustrate your point. Both of whom have homicidal rages used to illustrate a cartoon image for out of control ANGER, which of course you do not mean because you said so. > > "The thing is, when you get pissed, you lose all sense > of proportion and fairness, and you too often become > actively dishonest, hauling out one straw man after > another, as you just did above. You pull out your > sophist debating tricks and make it impossible to > discuss misunderstandings and grievances on either > side." Yeah sounds to me as if when I confront your BS with reasoned argument you can't respond effectively so you pull the old ad hominem out of your very tiny bag of tricks and hope I wont notice. Newsflash, I do. > > Or, as I said several posts back, you're a dirty > fighter. Another ad hominem in such a short space. Now you are just giving yourself away here Judy. You are making this too easy. I guess it allows your ego a bit of space from the reality that you are not up to the challenge. If a person exposes your BS they MUST be fighting dirty. Got it. Hope that works for you. Sounds a bit denial shielding for my taste though. > > Anger *per se* isn't the problem. As you say, reacting > angrily to hostility and perceived unfairness is a "most > human quality." You wouldn't be human if you didn't. > You *could*, howe
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:51 PM, authfriend wrote: > > Mark, it's a pity we have a few deeply malicious people on > > this forum. Most of us have been enjoying your reminiscences > > and reflections. I hope you don't let the conflicts between > > the former and the latter groups drive you away. There's no > > need for you to get involved in them. > > > Thank you, again, Judy, and don't worry about this. I didn't > really understand that "2 Vags" email so I just deleted it. > If I fall away it's because I must focus on other things or > because my usefulness here seems to be dwindling. I suspect your usefulness to others here has a long way to go before it dwindles, but it's certainly your call. More important is whether it's useful to yourself. > But I really did have resistance to the flying. I think I > was the last one in my group to start. I remember saying > something like "Can you imagine angels doing this? This > seems like it's more for monkeys." It seemed very > undignified to me. Very unlikely on its face as a means to development of consciousness, but obviously what happens "inside" is of more significance than the outward appearance. > But once I started I did have a lot of thrilling bliss with it. I took the flying block at MUM with my then-boyfriend. Shortly after we began the actual practice, my boyfriend started feeling utterly miserable physically and psychically. He was told to stay in his room and given a special program; his meals were brought to him. He never told me what the program involved. The second day of this, I paid him a (strictly verboten) visit. He looked frighteningly haggard; he looked *dark*. I was worried that the special program wasn't doing him any good. He did tell me he hadn't done any hopping in the flying hall. But he stuck with it, and a few days later emerged seemingly transformed. He went back to the flying hall, started hopping almost immediately, and glowed with bliss for the remainder of the course. Me, I started hopping the third or fourth day, with a bit of insomnia the first couple of nights my only negative experience. I certainly enjoyed it, but I didn't have any bliss until years of regular practice later. For me the benefits were and still are more in daily life than in program. I suppose the bottom line is that we all get what we need, one way or the other, and that it's folly to judge our experiences by comparing them with those of others.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:43 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > You'll notice that no one ever takes her up on her "offer" > > to "document everything." The readers don't care because > > 1) they've heard it all before, 2) because her obsession > > with these "enemies" never mattered to them in the first > > place, and 3) because they have lives. > > That is the correct answer! You win a chain of > insulting email messages from J. Stein, editor at large! ;-) > Reads like a Danielle Steel novel or lawsuit. lol. You men love Judy and you know it. I do not personally know any of you dudes, but from what I read, a love affair of the heart is all over these threads. : ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UDGiaiHCgY
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The only folks on FFL who ever talk about her are you two. Sounds like you care, A LOT, about what she says. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:43 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > You'll notice that no one ever takes her up on her "offer" > > to "document everything." The readers don't care because > > 1) they've heard it all before, 2) because her obsession > > with these "enemies" never mattered to them in the first > > place, and 3) because they have lives. > > That is the correct answer! You win a chain of > insulting email messages from J. Stein, editor at large! ;-) >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:40 AM, emptybill wrote: Vag - you are a fool who cannot provide your sources because you have none. You just read this stuff and make believe. This is why you bullshit everyone here. My source was Paul Mason you idiot. We've talked about it in considerable detail.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:43 AM, turquoiseb wrote: You'll notice that no one ever takes her up on her "offer" to "document everything." The readers don't care because 1) they've heard it all before, 2) because her obsession with these "enemies" never mattered to them in the first place, and 3) because they have lives. That is the correct answer! You win a chain of insulting email messages from J. Stein, editor at large! ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:51 PM, authfriend wrote: > Sorry, but I can document everything I've said about Vaj; > he can't document or even cite a single example of a lie > from me, nor can anyone else here. I simply don't lie; > I have no need to. > > Anyone who knows the players here can see the intentional > deception in Vaj's comment at the end of his current post > about initiators being brainwashed; three of the TM > teachers who doubt Vaj's claimed TM status are disaffected > in one respect or another and haven't been part of the > movement in some years. They're all on record in the > archives of this forum as suspecting Vaj has not told > the truth about his experience with TM, not because he's > a TM critic but because he's said a number of things > about the technique and how it's taught that are grossly > factually inaccurate and easily revealed as such by > reference to the TM checking notes. > > Again, all this is very well documented. > > With regard to "Poor Barry and Curtis," yes, Curtis is > relatively innocent compared to Vaj. But "Poor Barry" > isn't; he's worse. I could document from the archives > literally *hundreds* of falsehoods from him. > > The Web site Vaj mentions, as he well knows, is not mine. > It's a site put up by Andrew Skolnick, author of the > infamous JAMA article on TM, in revenge for having been > repeatedly outed as a liar on the Usenet newsgroup alt.m.t > by me and several other TMers. > > As for "many of Mahesh's closest inside men" agreeing with > Vaj, that's a truly pathetic claim just on its face. > > Mark, it's a pity we have a few deeply malicious people on > this forum. Most of us have been enjoying your reminiscences > and reflections. I hope you don't let the conflicts between > the former and the latter groups drive you away. There's no > need for you to get involved in them. > Thank you, again, Judy, and don't worry about this. I didn't really understand that "2 Vags" email so I just deleted it. If I fall away it's because I must focus on other things or because my usefulness here seems to be dwindling. But I really did have resistance to the flying. I think I was the last one in my group to start. I remember saying something like "Can you imagine angels doing this? This seems like it's more for monkeys." It seemed very undignified to me. But once I started I did have a lot of thrilling bliss with it. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > Thank you, Judy. There are quite a lot of things that get communicated > > > here that hold no meaning for me whatsoever. I think my participation > > > here has peaked. I'll need to start investing more of my time on > > > survival... > > > > > > Please keep in mind Mark, Judy has a long-standing reputation as a chronic > > liar (all the while obsessing about others words, and how she might edit > > them). She's still constantly - and obsessively - barking about Poor Barry > > and Curtis, despite their relative innocence. > > > > Please refer to her (now outdated) website, The Junkyard Dog. > > > > So sad. > > > > Many of Mahesh's closest inside men agree with me. Quite sad, but quite > > true. > > > > Initiators were - and many still are - the most thoroughly brainwashed of > > Mahesh's followers. They'll defend their vedic anthill till the end. This > > is true, even in the most objective. > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > > > > Thank you, Judy. There are quite a lot of things that get > > > > communicated here that hold no meaning for me whatsoever. > > > > I think my participation here has peaked. I'll need to > > > > start investing more of my time on survival... > > > > Mark, I can certainly understand your interest "peaking" > > after only a few days here. Good luck with everything if > > you choose to move on. > > > > If it makes you feel any better about "missing anything," > > take the following blurb by Judy and multiply it times 50, > > ever week, forever. It's really all she has to say, or > > seemingly ever will have to say. > > Barry - I think she will be around as long as you, Vaj and > other "lowvibe", "slime ball" posters (your own words) > continue to indulge in your lies and deception. It seems > you would like to wish she disappear... There is no possibility of her disappearing (leaving FFL), Ravi. She has nothing else. > ...it's not pleasant for her deal with "low vibe", "slime > ball" posters, it's not pleasant for others, sure she does > come on strong but I'm glad she does what she does. > Thanks Judy !! Ravi, let's review a little bit, shall we? YOU are the person with the most egregious history of lying on this forum. You came to *as the result of a lie*, having conned Rick into thinking you were awakened. You have since admitted many times that this was the case. You, in fact, have no history with TM or MMY at all, never having learned TM. But here you are, week after week, sucking energy on FFL because (IMO) it's the only attention you've ever gotten in your entire life, and now you're addicted to it. Judy never busts you on your *admitted* lies because you're in her "posse." She can count on you to "pile on" to the same people she tries to demonize, as part of her ongoing obsessive behavior. You like Judy IMO *because* she's a classic example of obsession, and that enables you to "pile on" to the people on her Enemies List. If she weren't doing this, I don't think I'm alone here in believing that you wouldn't have anything else to say. Unlike Judy, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything or get them to act the way they "should." I merely present opinions, and allow people to react to them (or not) as they choose. I stopped interfacing with Judy directly some time ago, and it's as if she never noticed. She keeps writing "to" me, but IMO only because that gives her an opportunity to rag on one of her enemies *for the lurkers*. It's people like YOU she's writing to, not me. She's hoping to suck you into her obsession, and get you to obsess on it as well. For most people on this forum, that has not worked. They have lives. It's worked on you, and based on what you post here you don't seem to have much of one, other than to pile on to Other People's Obsessions and Other People's Enemies, in a kind of continual, needy "Look at me...look at me" act. My suggestion is that the people who ignore Judy's obsession and her continual (a minimum of 50% of her posts every week devoted to trying to "get" either Vaj, Curtis or myself) attempts to suck other people into it have somewhat strong minds, and lives. The only people she's managed to suck into this obsession so far don't strike me as either having very strong minds, or much going on for them in terms of having a life. The preceding was opinion. I don't ask that anyone agree with it, and I don't care whether they believe it. Now run that same test against Judy's rants. Seems to me that she cares VERY MUCH that other people not only agree with her, but act out the way she does, and join her in her obsession. It's probably a good thing that you and maybe three others on this forum do so, or she'd have to come to grips with the fact that her whole multi-year vendetta on this forum was a waste of time, and a waste of life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
True, though such deals exist, especially with amounts above 100K. Gold is another possibility, since I see that going up steadily for awhile - Where is that million when you need it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "fflmod" wrote: > > Unfortunately, it's nearly impossible to get even 2 percent on a CD these > days. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > > If you invested $1M at 3% that will give you $30,000 in interest income > > annually. Not a lavish lifestyle, but something that will keep you > > comfortable in many parts of the US. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > > Thank you, n, this is more along the lines of what I was originally > > > thinking, though, I'm beginning to wonder if it could be possible. > > > I've looked into India. They do not allow emigration unless you have > > > Indian descent. > > > I could probably live OK in the US with a million and SS, though there > > > would probably be significant tax consequences... > > > 5 mill would be an unbelievably wonderful boon and would certainly set me > > > up for the next 20 years. > > > God knows what, if anything, I actually will get for them. > > > > > > On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:38 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd pay $1,000.00 right now. But I suspect they'll go for a lot more > > > > > > than that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a drawing for years, A3 size on his stationary that Maharishis > > > > > did, probably the only one he did on official stationary. Sent it to > > > > > the Movement. > > > > > Why sell his sandals when you can simply ask Maharishi for a boon ? > > > > > > > > Hello Mark, > > > > > > > > One could think Maharishi left them for you as a boon in advance. > > > > That's very possible. In which case I would not depart with them for a > > > > sum of less than 1 mill $. > > > > > > > > But that is not very much either unless you want to live the rest of > > > > your life in India. With 5 mill $ you would be alright for the rest of > > > > your life in the USA, no ? > > > > > > > > With the right buyer 5 mill is peanuts for those sandals. Whatever you > > > > do, don't sell them in an auction; someone will just pick them up for > > > > close to nothing and resell them for a fortune. > > > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > > Thank you, Judy. There are quite a lot of things that get > > > communicated here that hold no meaning for me whatsoever. > > > I think my participation here has peaked. I'll need to > > > start investing more of my time on survival... > > Mark, I can certainly understand your interest "peaking" > after only a few days here. Good luck with everything if > you choose to move on. > > If it makes you feel any better about "missing anything," > take the following blurb by Judy and multiply it times 50, > ever week, forever. It's really all she has to say, or > seemingly ever will have to say. > Barry - I think she will be around as long as you, Vaj and other "low vibe", "slime ball" posters (your own words) continue to indulge in your lies and deception. It seems you would like to wish she disappear, it's not pleasant for her deal with "low vibe", "slime ball" posters, it's not pleasant for others, sure she does come on strong but I'm glad she does what she does. Thanks Judy !!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
> > On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > Thank you, Judy. There are quite a lot of things that get > > communicated here that hold no meaning for me whatsoever. > > I think my participation here has peaked. I'll need to > > start investing more of my time on survival... Mark, I can certainly understand your interest "peaking" after only a few days here. Good luck with everything if you choose to move on. If it makes you feel any better about "missing anything," take the following blurb by Judy and multiply it times 50, ever week, forever. It's really all she has to say, or seemingly ever will have to say. For many years it's been the same "THESE PEOPLE ARE BAD AND I AM GOOD" and "THESE PEOPLE LIE AND I NEVER DO" and "I CAN DOCUMENT EVERYTHING," screamed at the same uncaring readers, day after day, week after week, and year after year. You'll notice that no one ever takes her up on her "offer" to "document everything." The readers don't care because 1) they've heard it all before, 2) because her obsession with these "enemies" never mattered to them in the first place, and 3) because they have lives. The only thing you'd be missing from FFL if you moved on is watching Judy repeating variants of the following rant over and over and over, in a seemingly never-ending quest to demonstrate to the world that she *doesn't* have a life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Sorry, but I can document everything I've said about Vaj; > he can't document or even cite a single example of a lie > from me, nor can anyone else here. I simply don't lie; > I have no need to. > > Anyone who knows the players here can see the intentional > deception in Vaj's comment at the end of his current post > about initiators being brainwashed; three of the TM > teachers who doubt Vaj's claimed TM status are disaffected > in one respect or another and haven't been part of the > movement in some years. They're all on record in the > archives of this forum as suspecting Vaj has not told > the truth about his experience with TM, not because he's > a TM critic but because he's said a number of things > about the technique and how it's taught that are grossly > factually inaccurate and easily revealed as such by > reference to the TM checking notes. > > Again, all this is very well documented. > > With regard to "Poor Barry and Curtis," yes, Curtis is > relatively innocent compared to Vaj. But "Poor Barry" > isn't; he's worse. I could document from the archives > literally *hundreds* of falsehoods from him. > > The Web site Vaj mentions, as he well knows, is not mine. > It's a site put up by Andrew Skolnick, author of the > infamous JAMA article on TM, in revenge for having been > repeatedly outed as a liar on the Usenet newsgroup alt.m.t > by me and several other TMers. > > As for "many of Mahesh's closest inside men" agreeing with > Vaj, that's a truly pathetic claim just on its face. > > Mark, it's a pity we have a few deeply malicious people on > this forum. Most of us have been enjoying your reminiscences > and reflections. I hope you don't let the conflicts between > the former and the latter groups drive you away. There's no > need for you to get involved in them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Dear Mark, Put it this way: whatever you took in to yourself that was Maharishi was such as to be the means for 'God' or reality to transfer this knowledge directly to me. This transference, and what was transferred goes beyond, I think, whatever you could consciously know about what you had received into your consciousness and being that constituted who Maharishi was. Not only this, what was put into me because of you went beyond anything I could conceive or experience through any kind of intention. There is something about you Mark that enabled what I needed to know about Maharishi to be put inside of me such as to create this tremendous and definitive liberation. Maharishi, almost as God would know him, was, through your own vulnerability and sensitivity and objectivity and intelligence, formed inside of me such that I immediately knew that I finally 'knew' who Maharishi was. In other words Maharishi has been incarnated inside of my intelligence through a kind of supernatural objectivity. It is entirely an event beyond the capabilities of either you or me. But the key thing here is: You (and this would be true even if you had no conscious knowledge of thisat least fully conscious knowledge of it) possess a certain singular sensibility when it comes to spiritual realityand more specifically Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. My anxiety, my trauma, my perplexity, my obsession, my searching just suddenly ended in an instant: And I recognized that I was apprehending who Maharishi really was. And what I was apprehending *had nothing to do with anything I had previously known or experienced.* I had virtually got nowhere in this questuntil you came along. Although, as I have already related to you, listening to your comments on David Sieveking's film riveted me like nothing else in that film, and perhaps like nothing else I had ever heard about Maharishi. Then your three posts. The cause and effect principle here transcends both of us, but the essential requirement was for you to be the particular human being that you are. And I would have to believe, based upon what has happened to me, that it is your unique destiny to carry inside of youregardless, as I say, of how much of this you consciously can access, much less articulatemore of the reality of what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi really was as a man and a human being than anyone else who has ever known him. Recollect: I did not say that any particular *content* of your three posts did it for me. It was a much more subtle process than this. It was the created being named Mark Landau who, in the presence of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, acquired certain impressions; these impressions went deep down into yourself. And then when the need was there inside of me to *know* who Maharishi was in a way that I did not and could not know him up until then, God or realitythe simple intelligence of loving goodness which is behind all of this creation (and you, and me, and Maharishi)took this perfect data off of your nervous system and transferred it to menot just the information, but the information organized into a definitive form that constituted the exact reality of the individual person Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. As to your questions about reincarnation, the role of the Vedic gods in my enlightenment, and my "current state of consciousness" I can only refer you to some of my previous postsI began posting near the end of June. I am not entirely familiar with how to track down threads to which I made a contribution, but I know that my conversations with authfriend dealt quite explicitly with some themes germane to the specific interest your express here. And of course in my exchanges with the redoubtable Curtisdeltablues. I consider what you have done for me, Mark, truly an act of God. Even though what was brought about through you was not in any way your direct intention. Itwhat has happened to menevertheless has left me with a sense of gratitude to you. So, I hope you stay around. FFL has done a lot for me since I first took up Rick's invitation to post here. Meanwhile, should you have any specific questions along the lines of what you say near the end of your post here, I will try to answer them as best I can. But I have already said a lot about my enlightenment and de-enlightenment in those conversations with authfriend and Curtis. I am sure there is something quite remarkable in the connection between us, Mark. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > Yes, I fully understand, at least the part about your getting M from me. > > > but with this last post of yours *I discovered Maharishi was there*, inside > > of me, before me, objectified, solid, individuated as the actual person, > > human being he is and was. > > > > No, he came into focus *as a gift gratuitously and accidentally given to me > > by you*, by your personal nervous system. > > And perhaps direct transference was also i
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Unfortunately, it's nearly impossible to get even 2 percent on a CD these days. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > If you invested $1M at 3% that will give you $30,000 in interest income > annually. Not a lavish lifestyle, but something that will keep you > comfortable in many parts of the US. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > Thank you, n, this is more along the lines of what I was originally > > thinking, though, I'm beginning to wonder if it could be possible. > > I've looked into India. They do not allow emigration unless you have > > Indian descent. > > I could probably live OK in the US with a million and SS, though there > > would probably be significant tax consequences... > > 5 mill would be an unbelievably wonderful boon and would certainly set me > > up for the next 20 years. > > God knows what, if anything, I actually will get for them. > > > > On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:38 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd pay $1,000.00 right now. But I suspect they'll go for a lot more > > > > > than that. > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a drawing for years, A3 size on his stationary that Maharishis > > > > did, probably the only one he did on official stationary. Sent it to > > > > the Movement. > > > > Why sell his sandals when you can simply ask Maharishi for a boon ? > > > > > > Hello Mark, > > > > > > One could think Maharishi left them for you as a boon in advance. That's > > > very possible. In which case I would not depart with them for a sum of > > > less than 1 mill $. > > > > > > But that is not very much either unless you want to live the rest of your > > > life in India. With 5 mill $ you would be alright for the rest of your > > > life in the USA, no ? > > > > > > With the right buyer 5 mill is peanuts for those sandals. Whatever you > > > do, don't sell them in an auction; someone will just pick them up for > > > close to nothing and resell them for a fortune. > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
You should read up on social security, Mark. Last I looked, retiring early would net more money in the long run if the retiree lived long enough. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > Thank you, Sal. My main reason for posting it here is in the hopes that > readers might know appropriate people and let them know. > No, I never tried to sell them here. They were featured in David Wants To > Fly, if anyone saw that. > To me, for these, $1,000 is one of those small amounts I wouldn't consider. > Do you really think anyone would be searching ebay for a pair of M's sandals? > Perhaps I don't understand how ebay works. > My age group is eligible for full retirement at 66. The more years I wait, > the more I would get per month. > I hope to secure another job, but could very much use a significant influx of > cash in the not too distant future... > I hope not to have to resort to state sponsored programs, but one never > knows... > > On Jul 18, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > > > On Jul 18, 2011, at 4:18 PM, Mark Landau wrote: > > > >> At sixty-five, I have very little savings and have lost my job. I was > >> planning to work into my seventies. My predicament forces me to attempt > >> to sell them. I am hoping that the person they are meant to go to will > >> have the wherewithal and will to honor their value. As 108 for over four > >> years, I spent around $100K working for the movement pretty much seven > >> days a week (when not rounding). As 108s, we weren't paid, paid $1000 a > >> month "so as not to be a financial drain on the movement," and paid all > >> our own travel (and sometimes other) expenses. Small amounts will not be > >> considered. > >> > >> Another possibility is donating to me so I can donate them to the movement. > >> > > Mark, this sounds familiar. Didn't you try > > > > selling them here a few years back? Did > > > > you ever try the suggestions about ebay? Sorry > > to hear you're in such dire circumstances, but I > > am failing to see what the sale of the sandals, even > > if they were to bring in, say, $1000, is going to do > > for you in the long run, not to mention that > > trying to sell MMY memorabilia on a forum filled with > > disillusioned former TMers is a serious losing battle. > > You're 65? Then you're eligible > > for SS. You don't say what your "predicament" is, > > but there are various programs in most states for seniors on > > fixed incomes, or no income. > > > > Sal > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Sorry, but I can document everything I've said about Vaj; he can't document or even cite a single example of a lie from me, nor can anyone else here. I simply don't lie; I have no need to. Anyone who knows the players here can see the intentional deception in Vaj's comment at the end of his current post about initiators being brainwashed; three of the TM teachers who doubt Vaj's claimed TM status are disaffected in one respect or another and haven't been part of the movement in some years. They're all on record in the archives of this forum as suspecting Vaj has not told the truth about his experience with TM, not because he's a TM critic but because he's said a number of things about the technique and how it's taught that are grossly factually inaccurate and easily revealed as such by reference to the TM checking notes. Again, all this is very well documented. With regard to "Poor Barry and Curtis," yes, Curtis is relatively innocent compared to Vaj. But "Poor Barry" isn't; he's worse. I could document from the archives literally *hundreds* of falsehoods from him. The Web site Vaj mentions, as he well knows, is not mine. It's a site put up by Andrew Skolnick, author of the infamous JAMA article on TM, in revenge for having been repeatedly outed as a liar on the Usenet newsgroup alt.m.t by me and several other TMers. As for "many of Mahesh's closest inside men" agreeing with Vaj, that's a truly pathetic claim just on its face. Mark, it's a pity we have a few deeply malicious people on this forum. Most of us have been enjoying your reminiscences and reflections. I hope you don't let the conflicts between the former and the latter groups drive you away. There's no need for you to get involved in them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Mark Landau wrote: > > > Thank you, Judy. There are quite a lot of things that get communicated > > here that hold no meaning for me whatsoever. I think my participation here > > has peaked. I'll need to start investing more of my time on survival... > > > Please keep in mind Mark, Judy has a long-standing reputation as a chronic > liar (all the while obsessing about others words, and how she might edit > them). She's still constantly - and obsessively - barking about Poor Barry > and Curtis, despite their relative innocence. > > Please refer to her (now outdated) website, The Junkyard Dog. > > So sad. > > Many of Mahesh's closest inside men agree with me. Quite sad, but quite true. > > Initiators were - and many still are - the most thoroughly brainwashed of > Mahesh's followers. They'll defend their vedic anthill till the end. This is > true, even in the most objective. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Vag - you are a fool who cannot provide your sources because you have none. You just read this stuff and make believe. This is why you bullshit everyone here. Where/When did you learn TM. Who was your initiator? You claim to have learned the TM-Sidhis program. Where/When? You claim to be a Mason, a Nath, a Dzogchen-pa. What is your sampradaya, both Hindu and "Buddhist?. You have none. You are just a Regardie wannabe pushing a little make believe Anglo-Kaballah. John Dee would be ashamed of people like you. However, none of it means anything to anyone on this forum because no one believes you or what you say. Read it and weep. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:36 PM, emptybill wrote: > > > The sources of the guru puja are all listed on > > Paul Masons website ... > > http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/TMpuja.htm > > What an idiot. > > Please at least TRY to comprehend the stuff you read Willy 2! > > These are the sources the poet-pandit used - and that which was demanded be discarded by HH Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He found it vile and demanded it's destruction. > > Mahesh, lying to his own guru, kept it and repurposed it for fun and $ - and to fool westerners enamored with the east. You were (and still are) ripe bait. > > Pretty good for a reincarnated nazi I'd say. Better luck next time? > > Time to call that cell phone number methinks. Meanwhile, please continue with your ngondro. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Mark Landau wrote: > Thank you, Judy. There are quite a lot of things that get communicated here > that hold no meaning for me whatsoever. I think my participation here has > peaked. I'll need to start investing more of my time on survival... Please keep in mind Mark, Judy has a long-standing reputation as a chronic liar (all the while obsessing about others words, and how she might edit them). She's still constantly - and obsessively - barking about Poor Barry and Curtis, despite their relative innocence. Please refer to her (now outdated) website, The Junkyard Dog. So sad. Many of Mahesh's closest inside men agree with me. Quite sad, but quite true. Initiators were - and many still are - the most thoroughly brainwashed of Mahesh's followers. They'll defend their vedic anthill till the end. This is true, even in the most objective.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:36 PM, emptybill wrote: > So now we have two Vag-s, each spiting poison. > > This post is such b.s. that one can only surmise > that the perpetrators are ignoramus-lackeys. > > The sources of the guru puja are all listed on > Paul Masons website ... > http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/TMpuja.htm What an idiot. Please at least TRY to comprehend the stuff you read Willy 2! These are the sources the poet-pandit used - and that which was demanded be discarded by HH Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He found it vile and demanded it's destruction. Mahesh, lying to his own guru, kept it and repurposed it for fun and $ - and to fool westerners enamored with the east. You were (and still are) ripe bait. Pretty good for a reincarnated nazi I'd say. Better luck next time? Time to call that cell phone number methinks. Meanwhile, please continue with your ngondro.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Thank you, Judy. There are quite a lot of things that get communicated here that hold no meaning for me whatsoever. I think my participation here has peaked. I'll need to start investing more of my time on survival... On Jul 24, 2011, at 9:16 PM, authfriend wrote: > Mark, I don't know whether you're aware of this, but > there are at least five TM teachers (or former TM > teachers) on this forum who think Vaj's TMer status > may not be as he claims. It may be wise to take > what he says with a salt shaker handy. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > Thank you, Vaj, I went to the 2nd 6 month course, but had a huge > > > resistance to the techniques, especially the flying. When did Robin come > > > out against them? > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know that he did. He actually gave out his own variations on them > > -"The Techniques for the Discovery of Grace", taken from the various > > Switzerland courses (and containing many more sutras). > > > > Other yogis have clearly explained why they are anathema. > > > > My fascination with the T M-Sidhi ended the instant I hopped 6 feet across > > the room, followed by a bellowing being possessing my consciousness, it's > > echo resounding in the room as I regained consciousness. I dropped them and > > never looked back. > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Mark, I don't know whether you're aware of this, but there are at least five TM teachers (or former TM teachers) on this forum who think Vaj's TMer status may not be as he claims. It may be wise to take what he says with a salt shaker handy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Mark Landau wrote: > > > Thank you, Vaj, I went to the 2nd 6 month course, but had a huge resistance > > to the techniques, especially the flying. When did Robin come out against > > them? > > > > > > > I don't know that he did. He actually gave out his own variations on them > -"The Techniques for the Discovery of Grace", taken from the various > Switzerland courses (and containing many more sutras). > > Other yogis have clearly explained why they are anathema. > > My fascination with the T M-Sidhi ended the instant I hopped 6 feet across > the room, followed by a bellowing being possessing my consciousness, it's > echo resounding in the room as I regained consciousness. I dropped them and > never looked back. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
So now we have two Vag-s, each spiting poison. This post is such b.s. that one can only surmise that the perpetrators are ignoramus-lackeys. The sources of the guru puja are all listed on Paul Masons website ... http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/TMpuja.htm What idiots lurk here no one really knows until they post their blatantly uneducated views. Vag would be proud of them. Read it and weep. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > Thank you, Vaj, I went to the 2nd 6 month course, but had a huge resistance to the techniques, especially the flying. When did Robin come out against them? > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 7:47 AM, Vaj wrote: > > > > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Mark Landau wrote: > > > >> You're welcome, Richard. I'm glad. > >> > >> Well, he definitely was my master from '71 till the late '70s or early '80s, but, after that, no. > >> If we take the reality, I don't feel he would qualify as a true master. If we can hold some idealized version of him, I suppose we could keep him as a master. > >> I think Guru Dev would much more readily qualify as true master. > > > > I think you're correct here Mark, eventually if one does some minor investigations, one finds of the self-assumed "Maharishi" alias, the strange fact he was never trained or ordained as a yogi, the fact Swami Bramananda never ever authorized him (quite the opposite), and that the puja was a poem of one of SBS's students that Mahesh had been demanded to throw away. As the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math said about the death of Guru Dev "then he [Mahesh] spread his net". > > > > The T M Sidhi was the coup de grace, a technique guaranteed to divert the nervous system into insanity, derangement and slavish obedience: a dark coherence. > > > > RWC Carlsen was probably the first to intuit this IMO. Many other yogis have since. > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet Lawson." Pretty ironic, considering the source. The thing I can't figure out about Vaj is if his techniques work so well, why doesn't he promote them, instead of bashing TM and Maharishi? In business what he is doing is called following the competition and/or spreading FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt). As a long term strategy, it never works. Like a used car salesman telling you, "Never mind my cars on this lot, see that guy across the street? I heard customers get *killed* driving his cars." --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:06 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > "In Vajrayana Buddhism and Hinduism, the term bīja is used for mystical > > "seed syllables" contained within mantras. These seeds do not have precise > > meanings, but are thought to carry connections to spiritual principles. The > > best-known bīja syllable is Om, first found in the Hindu scriptures the > > Upanishads." > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bīja > > > > Most websites I checked via google have something similar. > > > Don't believe everything you read on the internet Lawson. Often, particularly > on obscure subjects, the same fallacies will be propagated just by their > relative rarity and the common use of search engines. > > In the Hindu tantras we see meanings listed in voluminous dictionaries - I've > translated some examples here of the T M mantras. Tantric Buddhist revealed > texts often give meanings, etc. After all, any proper mantra will have it's > rishi, it's devata, it's chhandas, it's svara, etc. etc. explained when > properly given. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
This is a primitive and erroneous explanation. It defines according to literalist modes without asking exactly how the bijas are used and why. This is the easy way to not think about it but just react at the level of a Baptist fundamentalist. Welcome to the crowd. .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > The Bija mantras are all names of Hindu deities, most of them aspects of the divine mother. The advanced techniques added the I bow down to or worship part. > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 3:31 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > I'm under the impression that most people agree that most bija mantras are without meaning, in Sanskrit or whatever. > > > > You are the first person I've talked to in a long time who disagrees with this. > > > > L. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:20 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > He's talking about rank and file TM teachers talking to rank and file beginning meditators. Are you saying that the beginning mantras have that or similar meaning, in Sanskrit or any other language? > > > > > > They have a meaning in Sanskrit, they aren't "meaningless sounds." > > > And it doesn't make any difference whether or not you speak the > > > language they have meaning in. They're either meaningless > > > sounds, or they're not. And we've been through this about a dozen times already. I've never understood what's the big deal with an > > > honest disclaimer. > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Thank you for this, Bob, being new here I wouldn't have known. And, no, not just toying. All my genius flows in directions that don't end up much benefitting me... :-) On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Bob Price wrote: > > Mark, > > I don't care what anyone says-the fact is, this has got to be the longest > thread in FFL history. How the hell did you do it man? > Ok, the subject line was the Rosetta stone of subject lines but great subject > lines are no where near enough to achieve a 300+ thread. > No, it takes a lot more that to achieve greatness. Hell, I was thinking to > improve my subject line responses with something like > "SUICIDE" but the wife said: "Oh great, and then what do you do with them?" > She also said: "A great subject line like "Suicide" > is like Kirk Douglas breaking Michael into the business, he certainly got him > his early auditions, but Michael's talent got him the parts. > > There must be an award or something for best post.? In fact, with the obvious > marketing talent you have > why are you asking a bunch of losers on FFL how to sell Maharishi's sandals? > Are you just toying with us? > In any event, I love your stories and I hope you give us more. LOL > > From: Mark Landau > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:38:40 AM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals > > > Thank you, w. The best time to have written it would have been in the late > seventies or early eighties. It's so long, now, much of it is lost. But I > hear you and one never knows. > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 2:05 PM, wayback71 wrote: >> >> Mark, if you reconsider and decide to write that book (maybe a few of you >> should get together, brainstorm your memories and get the thing written) >> that would be of interest to many of of us. - I think it would sell and not >> just to TM'ers. If you don't do the book, I for one would be delighted to >> read more of these memories and stories. You have a wonderfully thoughtful >> way of writing about them, including the ambiguity. >> >> If you care to answer any or all - >> >> Were you there when the spaceship supposedly landed in Mallorca and MMY was >> driven to the beach and got on for a while? If so, what hapened? I was on >> TCC there then (Fall 1971 and early winter of 1972 til the move to Fiuggi) >> but not up that late at night. > > No, I heard about that but was, like you, a TTC participant then. Is there > anyone one else here who was in the Karina? If so, I have a question I'd > love to ask you. >> You say you saw angels, devas. Did you ever see anything on a subtle level >> that indicated that MMY was not on his best behavior or had an entirely >> human side as well? (ie did his energy change or darken) > Absolutely. And not only on the subtle. I've already answered this > obliquely regarding his sexual frustration, but it also occurred with his sex > and other things. He definitely waxed and waned. There were times, one the > most shocking of all, when I was really shaken by how he looked--shrunken, > wasted, dark and with basically no energy. He had a large darker splotch on > his cheek that he always covered with makeup and had even neglected to do > that. But he always recovered very quickly. >> How did Maharishi chose you as skin boy? > Oh, this... After the 108 group was formed, M decided to have the skin boys > be 108s. As I said, Anthony Jobbe was skin boy before me and M really liked > him but he was left behind in America when we left to start using Seelisberg > because he was misrepresenting himself regarding his financial situation. > John Mortenson, me and M flew to Switzerland. John had priority over me > because I had taken a few months to teach TM, because I felt I wanted that > experience, after the 108 course at Lake Tahoe. It's also possible John did > some of that while I was teaching TM. But when I reconnected with M, Anthony > was doing it by himself. So he started carrying the skin. But after a very > short time, maybe a week or two, Maharishi said, "You be on the buzzer," to > me. The buzzer went from his bedroom to the room nearby where the skin boy > slept. So I replied, "But, M, if I am to do that I have to sleep in the room > John is in." "Yes," he said, "sleep in that room." So I had to go and tell > John, John checked back with M to make sure and left for Hawaii the next day. > So I started knowing absolutely nothing. The first morning on the job, M > buzzed me and said "I need a dhoti.&qu
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Remind me of who John is, what's his last name and his current status? On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:01 AM, wayback71 wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > And this, too, M was always intensely vehement about maintaining the purity > > of the teaching. I can have compassion for the remaining TBs in their > > attempts to be vigilant about that. > > Me,too. Bevan and John did not invent the dome badge rules or the whole set > of TMO rules. The rajas and higher ups are simply following Maharishi's very > clear and long standing policies. I am sure that they believe that adjusting > these rules would be the beginning of a slippery slide into all sorts of > impurity of the teaching challenges. They are devotees doing their very best > to honor their Master. These are MMY"s wishes and rules, and things will not > change as long as this generation of devotees - who actually spent time with > MMY - are in charge. It is possible that if MMY were alive now, he would > loosen things up, but no one in charge now will make that decision in > Maharishi's place. It is the way it is and will stay the same and Bevan and > John can not be blamed for this. Maharishi did this. > > > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Buck wrote: > > > > > Mark, given these modern times and communications you would think so. In > > > the marketplace people are way more studied and way more exposed to gurus > > > and spirituality than probably ever before. However, on the ground in TM > > > here in FF you need a valid badge. Effectively participation is with a > > > one-guru badge in application. The TM-TB's left inside in control of > > > participation are more strictly 'one-guru' devotees. Disciples. They put > > > that standard over on everyone else, even on those who may just be > > > practitioners and not devotees. > > > > > > Here in Fairfield last week for Guru Purnima you had to have a 'valid' > > > dome badge (be an eligible TM-siddhi practitioner) to go to the > > > TM-movement's guru celebration. In effect that left thousands of old-time > > > badge-less meditators out to themselves. The FF TM-no-badge-nik > > > meditators. Inside there are only a few hundreds active left here with > > > badges yet close to three thousand adults here who previously had come > > > here to Iowa as TM-meditators. There essentially is a fealty test going > > > on by the conservative elements in the middle putting up the threshold of > > > a TM-Siddhis 'dome badge' to old meditators coming in to even celebrate > > > Maharishi as a guru. It's a very calculated policy on the part of a TM > > > taliban-like doctrine-bound element inside. > > > > > > You would think Guru Purnima could be a time to be forthcoming, > > > hospitable. A time to gather. As I survey around on the street, there is > > > still in the old meditating community a residual or latent hope that > > > things could work out for TM here but practically folks express only dim > > > hope given the general lack of social skills within TM in reality. > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > -Buck in FF > > > an old Iowa meditator > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > > > > You're welcome, Richard. I'm glad. > > > > Well, he definitely was my master from '71 till the late '70s or early > > > > '80s, but, after that, no. > > > > If we take the reality, I don't feel he would qualify as a true master. > > > > If we can hold some idealized version of him, I suppose we could keep > > > > him as a master. > > > > I think Guru Dev would much more readily qualify as true master. > > > > But perhaps it is time for us to move beyond masters. That was a viable > > > > way to grow spiritually in the past, but, perhaps, not so much now. > > > > I think our times call more for us to find our own way, or to find > > > > teachers who will accept us without demanding that they be masters, > > > > teachers who serve us well from where we currently are, but who > > > > acknowledge their own imperfections and that not all they teach will > > > > perfectly serve everyone. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > m > > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:45 PM, richardnelson108 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks so much for all your recent posts. They have really been a > > > > > wonderful read and very insightful. > > > > > > > > > > Since you had the opportunity to experience Maharishi in a way that > > > > > most of us never did, I am wondering how you feel about Maharishi > > > > > being a "master", and if you feel or felt that he was or is your > > > > > personal master? Its an area that I have gone back and forth on many > > > > > times throughout my life and still hold some confusion about. > > > > > There is no question that TM has worked for me and that being around > > > > > him was very powerful, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is in the > > > > > league o
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
"In Vajrayana Buddhism and Hinduism, the term bīja is used for mystical "seed syllables" contained within mantras. These seeds do not have precise meanings, but are thought to carry connections to spiritual principles. The best-known bīja syllable is Om, first found in the Hindu scriptures the Upanishads." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bīja Most websites I checked via google have something similar. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > The Bija mantras are all names of Hindu deities, most of them aspects of the > divine mother. The advanced techniques added the I bow down to or worship > part. > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 3:31 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > I'm under the impression that most people agree that most bija mantras are > > without meaning, in Sanskrit or whatever. > > > > You are the first person I've talked to in a long time who disagrees with > > this. > > > > L. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:20 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > He's talking about rank and file TM teachers talking to rank and file > > > > beginning meditators. Are you saying that the beginning mantras have > > > > that or similar meaning, in Sanskrit or any other language? > > > > > > They have a meaning in Sanskrit, they aren't "meaningless sounds." > > > And it doesn't make any difference whether or not you speak the > > > language they have meaning in. They're either meaningless > > > sounds, or they're not. And we've been through this about a dozen times > > > already. I've never understood what's the big deal with an > > > honest disclaimer. > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
The Bija mantras are all names of Hindu deities, most of them aspects of the divine mother. The advanced techniques added the I bow down to or worship part. On Jul 24, 2011, at 3:31 PM, sparaig wrote: > I'm under the impression that most people agree that most bija mantras are > without meaning, in Sanskrit or whatever. > > You are the first person I've talked to in a long time who disagrees with > this. > > L. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:20 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > He's talking about rank and file TM teachers talking to rank and file > > > beginning meditators. Are you saying that the beginning mantras have that > > > or similar meaning, in Sanskrit or any other language? > > > > They have a meaning in Sanskrit, they aren't "meaningless sounds." > > And it doesn't make any difference whether or not you speak the > > language they have meaning in. They're either meaningless > > sounds, or they're not. And we've been through this about a dozen times > > already. I've never understood what's the big deal with an > > honest disclaimer. > > > > Sal > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
A disclaimer, imo, would be poor teaching technique in this case. I have been in the training biz forever, and courses are always built around terminal objectives (what is the goal of the training?), with the knowledge subdivided into "need to know" and "nice to know". The meanings of the mantras, or even that they have meanings, is clearly a "nice to know", and wouldn't be emphasized, or even possibly mentioned in a well structured course to teach the technique of TM. Training strives to accomplish specific objectives, unlike a reference work, which includes as much as possible on a particular topic. Focusing on "nice to know" stuff in a course takes the audience off track, and is considered poor design. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:20 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > He's talking about rank and file TM teachers talking to rank and file > > beginning meditators. Are you saying that the beginning mantras have that > > or similar meaning, in Sanskrit or any other language? > > They have a meaning in Sanskrit, they aren't "meaningless sounds." > And it doesn't make any difference whether or not you speak the > language they have meaning in. They're either meaningless > sounds, or they're not. And we've been through this about a dozen times > already. I've never understood what's the big deal with an > honest disclaimer. > > Sal >
