[FairfieldLife] AK and reggae are OK?

2006-04-18 Thread cardemaister
Whadya know! Many Amerikan soldiers in Iraq use weapons designed by Russian Mikhail Kalashnikov, primarily AK-47?! M-16's sucked in Viet Nam? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Group

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-18 Thread Richard Hughes
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday >Times' >Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:15:44 EDT > > >In a message dated 4/17/06 2:53:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >[EMAI

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: AK and reggae are OK?

2006-04-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Whadya know! Many Amerikan soldiers in Iraq > use weapons designed by Russian Mikhail Kalashnikov, > primarily AK-47?! > M-16's sucked in Viet Nam? Even in 'Nam soldiers threw away their M-16s if they could get the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-18 Thread Richard Hughes
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday >Times' >Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:15:44 EDT > > > > >Up until 911 the only Middle eastern country the US has any hist

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-18 Thread Richard Hughes
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday >Times' >Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:06:07 EDT > > >In a message dated 4/17/06 2:30:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >[EMAI

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 17, 2006, at 7:22 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 2006, at 1:08 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > > > There's plenty of people who claim plenty

[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/17/06 10:22:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > , Pakistan and Israel have not had > a > > reputation of exporting terrorism although sometimes the Indian > government tr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:06 PM, sparaig wrote: > > OK, that's what the Esalen book says. The TM studies are not > anecdotal accounts. It will be interesting to see what a 3-month > study shows, although 4 months is the average time for the brainwaves > to show their greatest average change during T

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:04 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> > On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:18 PM, authfriend wrote:> > > Well, it shows he has some control over whatever it is> > the machine is measuring, which is moderately impressive> > in and of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:06 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > OK, that's what the Esalen book says. The TM studies are not > > anecdotal accounts. It will be interesting to see what a 3-month > > study shows, although 4 months is

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:04 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:18 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > Well, it shows he has some control over wh

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:34 AM, sparaig wrote: > But we don't know what he did. A 2-channel EEG doesn't tell jack > about the workings of a brain. Some believe that a 128-channel > doesn'ttell much. And... > > > One of the claimed things he did was to stop his brain waves, period. > Get real, that's

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:08 PM, sparaig wrote: > Plenty of people mistake depersonalization due to stress for > witnessing, even though the EEG traces are completely different. Just > because someone describes an internal state the same way, doesn't > mean its really the same state. In KW's case,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > I suspect that what you call transcending is not the same as what > > > TMers call transcending. Given that TMers don't report > transcending > > > during TM until after-the-fact, this is hardly surprising... > > > > It'd probably depend on what *

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 7:32 AM, sparaig wrote: > > Irregardless it's great for practitioners who want see what's > going > > on and how their practice effects state changes. No, it's not > meant > > for serious investigators, LOL... > > > > > It doesn't give any kind of idea of what is going on. Pla

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread Patrick Gillam
> On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:08 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > Plenty of people mistake depersonalization due to stress for > > witnessing, even though the EEG traces are completely different. Just > > because someone describes an internal state the same way, doesn't > > mean its really the same state. Ple

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > I suspect that what you call transcending is not the > > > > same as what TMers call transcending. Given that TMers > > > > don't report transcending > > > > during TM unt

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread Peter
--- Patrick Gillam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where and how did anyone compare the EEG traces of > depersonalization and true witnessing? Exactly. Spare-egg is speaking out of his spare egg! > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread Sal Sunshine
Bingo. Sal On Apr 18, 2006, at 1:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: That is possible.  There are a *lot* of people who are afraid of taking responsibility for their own lives, and who are hoping desperately for Santa Claus to come along and "rule" them and tell them what to do all the time so they ne

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 8:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > I suspect that what you call transcending is not the > > > > > same as what TMers call transcending. Given that TMers

[FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/18/06 1:13 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine >> wrote: >>> >>> And they all lived happily ever after. >> >> yeah-- very difficult to promote id

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > This is not just Hindu-bashing, BTW. I feel the same > > > way about people who go o

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/18/06 1:20 AM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante >> wrote: >>> >>> What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of >>> administratio

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > wrote: > > > > > > And they all lived happily ever after. > > > > yeah-- very difficult to pr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/18/06 10:12 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I don't find anywhere that Bob suggested there was a > modern-day, real-world example of an ideal society. > > Seems to me he was talking about (a) why someone might > have confidence in the Vedic account of a Sat-Yuga > golden age,

[FairfieldLife] Reasons (was Re: Forcing people to meditate)

2006-04-18 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: > > Many of us here believe in things for which there > is as yet no scientific evidence or record. Some > of us believe in past lives. Some even believe they > have seen somebody levitate. > > Some of these same people, however, advocate that > one trust one's own experien

[FairfieldLife] Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > wrote: > > > > What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of > > administration is The Ramayana, which recounts how Lord Rama > > ruled at Ayodha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > wrote: > > People have embraced democracy because good people are > > not available to be rulers... > > People have embraced democracy because it's a good idea.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/18/06 1:13 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> And

[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-18 Thread Robert Gimbel
Encouraging children to commit suicide for some relgious or nationalistic cause, has to be considered insane and demonic. I can't think of too many historical instances of this kind of policy. It goes against the basis nature of life, in all ways. In all of the past instances, where this tactic wa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > Don't get so stuck in your paradigm. > > Good advice, but do you honestly think it's possible? > > From my point of view, Lawson represents an almost- > perfect ex

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > wrote: > > > > People have embraced democracy because good people are > > > not available to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > I suspect that what you call transcending is not the same as > > > > what TMers call transcending. Given that TMers don't report > > > > transcending during TM until af

[FairfieldLife] FW: Please help me build an alternative to the ReligiousRight--before it's too late!

2006-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
Title: FW: Please help me build an alternative to the ReligiousRight--before it's too late! - Original Message - From: Rabbi Michael Lerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Please help me build an alternatve to the R

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/18/06 10:12 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I don't find anywhere that Bob suggested there was a > > modern-day, real-world example of an ideal society. > > > > Seems to me he was talking abo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 12:35 PM, authfriend wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > I suspect that what you call transcending is not the same as > > > > > what TMers call transcending. Given t

[FairfieldLife] Mandeans: Cult of John the Baptist

2006-04-18 Thread shempmcgurk
Mandeans MANDEANS IN THE MIDDLE EAST Last column: % Mandeans of the population Iraq 30,000 0.12% Total *) 30,000 0.007% Other countries 30,000 *) Calculated for the total population of North Africa and the Middle East, approx. 460,000,000. The only surviving Gnostic religion,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > wrote: > > > > > > What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of > > > admi

[FairfieldLife] Reasons (was Re: Forcing people to meditate)

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- authfriend wrote: > > > > Many of us here believe in things for which there > > is as yet no scientific evidence or record. Some > > of us believe in past lives. Some even believe they > > have seen somebod

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Even those forms of governance we know about that > grant people the greatest measure of responsibility > nevertheless restrict that responsibility in some > areas. As Bob points out, democracy can result in > a "tyra

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/18/06 11:55 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: >>> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante >>> wrote: What MM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 12:35 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > > > I suspect that what you call transcend

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > Granting your point above--and others along the same lines > > having to do with the unlikelihood of practical implementation > > --it seems to me the original point Bob was making has been > > overlooked, which was that when MMY advocates "enl

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/18/06 11:58 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > But Maharishi praises Fidel Castro, Robert Mugabe, and their ilk, so what > are we to think? http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=49377 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join moder

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/18/06 11:55 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > >>> > >>> ---

[FairfieldLife] Reasons (was Re: Forcing people to meditate)

2006-04-18 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: > > But I'm not sure on the basis of your precis here just how > it's related to my post. Yeah, I thought of that after clicking "Send." We talk a lot around here about the reasons behind actions and beliefs. What this article does is talk about how some reasons are just

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread Sal Sunshine
That his words can be twisted to the point that a pretzel would look like a straight line as long as it suits the person doing it...basically, whatever he says is right simply because he says it, and the rest of us are just too ignorant and/or blind to be able to ferret out his "real" meaning. And

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Dharma Mitra
    I don't engage much in the bark-fest of tribalistic beligerencies, including in yoga, though common sense and truthfulness are indeed imperative in the life of any being.  One of the ways Patanjali got it wrong was in how he defined yoga:   What is yoga? There are three definitions: 1) Yo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 1:02 PM, authfriend wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 12:35 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparai

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That his words can be twisted to the point that a pretzel would > look like a straight line as long as it suits the person doing > it...basically, whatever he says is right simply because he > says it, and the rest

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm replying just to thank you for "a few French fries > short of a Happy Meal." That cracked me right up. :-) It seems to have really resonated with you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

RE: [FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: T

2006-04-18 Thread Richard Hughes
>From: Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to >meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:11:59 -0500 > >on 4/18/06 1:13 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 1:02 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 12:35 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, V

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That his words can be twisted to the point that a pretzel would > look like a straight line as long as it suits the person doing > it... Just out of curiosity, how is suggesting that MMY may have had something in m

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:54 PM, authfriend wrote: > What on earth is your *problem*?? > > I'm my own questioner. I asked my own question. > > You won't answer either Lawson's original question > or my version of it, and your nonresponses have been > irrationally testy. Why should I not assume you'

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > wrote: > > > > > > And they all lived happily ever after. > > > > yeah-- very difficult to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dharma Mitra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't engage much in the bark-fest of tribalistic beligerencies, including > in yoga, though common sense and truthfulness are indeed imperative in the > life of any being. One of the ways Patanjali got it wro

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:54 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > What on earth is your *problem*?? > > > > I'm my own questioner. I asked my own question. > > > > You won't answer either Lawson's original question > > or my version o

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 3:26 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > That wasn't the question. Lawson specified that it > > > > > was one of the styles. He's asking if what you > > > > > describe is (a) the *goal* of this style, or (b) > > > > > a potential outcome. This was the question I was answering.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 3:26 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > That wasn't the question. Lawson specified that it > > > > > > was one of the styles. He's asking if what you > > > > > > describe is (a) the *goal* of this style

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/18/06 2:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> And don't forget Marcos. > > Seems to me that project worked just fine. People > started meditating, started thinking more coherently > as a result, and promptly ejected Marcos from power. I was there. Many did start meditating. Some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And don't forget Marcos. > > Seems to me that project worked just fine. People > started meditating, started thinking more coherently > as a result, and promptly ejected Marcos from power. Wow, not even the TMO h

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 4/18/06 11:55 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> --- I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/18/06 2:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> And don't forget Marcos. > > > > Seems to me that project worked just fine. People > > started meditating, started thinking more coherently > > as a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 4:02 PM, authfriend wrote: > In other words: In this style of Samatha, are you > instructed to trace the seed syllable back to its > source (i.e., the goal of this style of meditation)? > > Or do you find yourself tracing the seed syllable > back to its source when you practic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > And don't forget Marcos. > > > > Seems to me that project worked just fine. People > > started meditating, started thinking more coherently

[FairfieldLife] I'll have that with a cup of Katey's urine, please!

2006-04-18 Thread shempmcgurk
EXCLUSIVE: TOM CHEWS Mission Impossible star Cruise vows to eat placenta after birth By Patrick Mulchrone TOM Cruise yesterday revealed his latest bizarre mission..to eat his new baby's placenta. Cruise vowed he would tuck in straight after girlfriend Katie Holmes gives birth, saying he thought

[FairfieldLife] The individual and God

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
Global Press Conference, 25.2.04 Is there a difference between the individual and God in the transcendental state? MAHARISHI: The individual is a loving child of God, if we want to make a difference and union. He is a loving child of God. We don`t say he is God because that will be to arrogan

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/18/06 2:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> And don't forget Marcos. > > > > Seems to me that project worked just fine. People > > started meditating, started thinking more coherently > > as a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 4:02 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > In other words: In this style of Samatha, are you > > instructed to trace the seed syllable back to its > > source (i.e., the goal of this style of meditation)? > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > > wrote: > > > > --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [giant mercy snip] > > My real point in all this is what it usually is--simply > that, objectively speaking, the extreme negative view > of MMY is no more certain than the extreme positive view. > Correction: the view

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: T

2006-04-18 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > > As far as I'm aware the yuga cycle takes billions of years to run, so it > seems unlikely that it is real as there would have been no humans in > existence to experience the last age of enlightenment, or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bingo. > > Sal > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 1:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > That is possible.  There are a *lot* of people who are > > afraid of taking responsibility for their own lives, > > and who are hoping des

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/18/06 10:12 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I don't find anywhere that Bob suggested there was a > > modern-day, real-world example of an ideal society. > > > > Seems to me he was talking abo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/18/06 11:55 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > >>> > >>> ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/18/06 11:58 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > But Maharishi praises Fidel Castro, Robert Mugabe, and their ilk, so what > > are we to think? > > http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:15 PM, peterklutz wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [giant mercy snip] > > > > My real point in all this is what it usually is--simply > > that, objectively speaking, the extreme negative view > > of MMY is no more c

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:36 PM, bob_brigante wrote: > The pundits in the Brahmastan of India are purifying the atmosphere > there so that Vedic culture can be restored to India -- when that > happens, there will be an ideal society serving as a lighthouse to > the world. So you've seen pictures of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/18/06 2:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> And don't forget Marcos. > > > > Seems to me that project worked just fine. People > > started meditating, started thinking more coherently > > as a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/18/06 4:43 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> on 4/18/06 11:58 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> But Maharishi praises Fidel Castro, Robert Mugabe, and their ilk, > so what >>>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > [giant mercy snip] > > > > My real point in all this is what it usually is--simply > > that, objectively speaking, the extreme negative view > > of MM

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:08 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > Plenty of people mistake depersonalization due to stress for > > witnessing, even though the EEG traces are completely different. Just > > because someone describes an int

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:34 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > But we don't know what he did. A 2-channel EEG doesn't tell jack > > about the workings of a brain. Some believe that a 128-channel > > doesn'ttell much. And... > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > I suspect that what you call transcending is not the same as what > > > > TMers call transcending. Given that TMers don't report > > transcending > > > > during TM unti

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 6:28 PM, sparaig wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:34 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > But we don't know what he did. A 2-channel EEG doesn't tell jack > > > about the workings of a brain. Some believe t

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 6:29 PM, sparaig wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:08 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > Plenty of people mistake depersonalization due to stress for > > > witnessing, even though the EEG traces are compl

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 6:29 PM, sparaig wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > I suspect that what you call transcending is not the same > as what > > > > > TMers call transcending. Given t

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 7:32 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > Irregardless it's great for practitioners who want see what's > > going > > > on and how their practice effects state changes. No, it's not > > meant > > > for serious in

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 6:36 PM, sparaig wrote: > I suggest you read Maharishi Mahesh Yogi more closely... Why, has he published something new? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Li

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:08 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > Plenty of people mistake depersonalization due to stress for > > > witnessing, even though the EEG traces are completely different. Just > > > because som

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > I suspect that what you call transcending is not the > > > > > same as what TMers call transcending. Give

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- Patrick Gillam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Where and how did anyone compare the EEG traces of > > depersonalization and true witnessing? > > > Exactly. Spare-egg is speaking out of his spare egg! Er, no

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/18/06 1:20 AM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> W

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/18/06 10:12 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I don't find anywhere that Bob suggested there was a > > modern-day, real-world example of an ideal society. > > > > Seems to me he was talking abou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > From my point of view, Lawson represents an almost- > > perfect example of the "TM paradigm," which is based on > > the assumption that the TM view of things

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/18/06 11:55 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > >>> > >>> --- I

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 7:18 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> > > --- Patrick Gillam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > Where and how did anyone compare the EEG traces of> > depersonalization and true witnessing?> > > Exactly. Spare-egg is spea

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > > wrote: > > > > >

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