[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: And we are all holding our breath to see if he is going to oblige. And we are all deeply hoping that he does not. lurk I had a question and I got my answer. No need to bore you guys anymore is there? Second time Curtis has passed up an opportunity to correct the record and explain to people that he ignored my attempt to discourage him from pursuing an argument with me. He's ignoring you... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
Google Groups tell us that your exchanges with Curtis happened between February 1997 and November 1997. THAT'S ALMOST 10 FUCKING YEARS AGO!!! Maybe the poor bastard is a different person? Maybe he's changed (assuming that he was this horrible person that you paint him out as being)? Why in heaven's name can't you give it up, Judy? Do you not see your obsessive post (below) as being a tad bit kooky? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I still would like to know what upset you about my post. I wasn't upset by it, Curtis. Mildly disappointed, but not surprised, that you hadn't changed, as I said to start with. OK, Curtis, let's go over it again. Let's see whether you can actually address what I've already said. I'm betting you won't: My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. Note that what Rick said was that he thought you had paid me a compliment. You say he had it right. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you're interested in knowing why, I'll tell you, but I suspect you're not. I was surprised when you reacted so strongly to my message. It was not meant to offend you, quite the opposite. Here's what you wrote: Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an important experience for me. There were times when I felt misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was the reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for me to articulate my thoughts about the movement in such detail, and it never would have happened without me being so pissed off at your messages. Please explain the basis on which you believe I should have taken this as a sincere compliment. You didn't respond. If it's so obvious that it was a compliment, as Rick said and you confirmed, why couldn't you just explain what the compliment was? Perhaps this version will make more sense: The reason I kept posting was because of you. Posting was a good thing for me. Got it? So where's the compliment? How is that some kind of attempt at reconciliation, as Shemp claims? (You said this over and over again back on alt.m.t, of course, so there's nothing new here.) Next, let's restore what I was responding to that you go on to quote: I thought you could relate to what I was saying. It must have been frustrating for you on AMT too, but I assumed you are happy you got your points across in the end. Does what you wrote that I quoted above describe my having gotten my points across? No. But if you had related to what I wrote in the way I expected, you might have thought Yes I got my points across also, even though the discussions were difficult. That was my expectation in writing it. That it would piss you off never crossed my mind. Why on *earth* should I have thought you were suggesting I got my points across? For that matter, why on earth should I imagine on the basis of our alt.m.t exchanges that I got my points across? The exact opposite was the case. My problem with you, Curtis, was (and is) your gross intellectual (and even factual) dishonesty. With people like you, it's never entirely clear whether they're *intending* to mislead and deceive, or whether they've done such a snow job on themselves that they genuinely believe their own misrepresentations. So I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt on that point. Excellent example of why it was so hard to continue posting on AMT. Ah, so it wasn't hard because I was getting my points across. It was hard because my posts were pissing you off. Of course, on alt.m.t, I didn't start calling you on your dishonesty for quite a while, until it had become blatantly obvious you had no intention of being straightforward. It didn't take as long here because it was so clear the old pattern was repeating itself. Very condescending and unfriendly. Starting a sentence with people like you is demeaning and rude. You have no reason to call me a liar and someone who has done a snowjob on themselves, That would be or, Curtis, not and. whatever that means, based on what I have posted here. Well, yes, I do, and this present exchange is a perfect example. It's also *exactly* the sort of thing you pulled repeatedly in our discussions on alt.m.t: sidestepping, shifting ground, never addressing the point. My problem with you, Curtis, was (and is) your gross intellectual (and even factual) dishonesty. I invite you to show me where I have been intellectually or factually dishonest in my posts here. No clearcut factual dishonesty here, so far as I know, but plenty of intellectual dishonesty, as I've just demonstrated. Plenty of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip Excellent example of why it was so hard to continue posting on AMT. Ah, so it wasn't hard because I was getting my points across. It was hard because my posts were pissing you off. One more point. I think the real reason it was so hard for you to continue posting, and why my posts pissed you off, was that I wouldn't let you get away with anything. You had put together a nice little story for yourself as to why you had left the movement, but it was all vague generalities. When you were asked for specifics, you were unable to come up with anything that actually supported the generality. The story existed in a vacuum; it wasn't connected to reality, and it couldn't stand up to challenge. You had a tremendous investment in that story, and when you saw it being picked apart and shown to be without foundation, that was extremely threatening to you. You expended a tremendous amount of effort coming up with a huge bunch of rationalizations to prop the story up so you could continue to believe in it, at the same time standing on your head to avoid confronting the issue of how well it related to reality. I am *not* suggesting you didn't have perfectly good reasons to leave the movement, but that, for some reason, the real reasons were unpalatable and unsatisfying, hence the invented story (Lifton and suggestibility a la Joe Kellett and so on). Judy: What's the statute of limitations on WHO GIVES A FUCK? That was 10 years ago, woman! Give it up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I mention for the sake of anyone else reading this that it is only with great restraint and effort that I do not take the phrase snowjob into the gutter for a field day. Great restraint... there are so many funny ways to use it...!) There is a prevalent theory here that the use of the term 'snowjob' is a misspelling, and that it really refers to the poster's inability to tell the difference between arguing and sex. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All that's going to happen to you if you respond to her is that you WILL end up angry, resentful and negative. You make a good point! Thanks for sticking up for me. I think the biggest problem is that our back and forth is so boring. I apologize for that. In any case it can't last long. You have no idea. I don't have it in me these days. Good for you. Life's too fuckin' short, man. I continued through all the you are a liar barrage last time because I wanted to get my thoughts out. This time I do not have that motivation. I am just enjoying hearing from old friends, especially since many were perplexed about me leaving TM after being so into it for so long. Thanks again. Good to hear from you. I agree wholeheartedly with Shemp. There is only one sane response -- DO NOT RESPOND. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis-
Is it possible, you must have really offended AuthFriend in your previous incarnation. Maybe that's why she torments you.TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:16:58 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from CurtisGood to hear from you. I agree wholeheartedly withShemp. There is only one sane response -- DO NOTRESPOND. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Google Groups tell us that your exchanges with Curtis happened between February 1997 and November 1997. THAT'S ALMOST 10 FUCKING YEARS AGO!!! Maybe the poor bastard is a different person? Maybe he's changed (assuming that he was this horrible person that you paint him out as being)? Why in heaven's name can't you give it up, Judy? Do you not see your obsessive post (below) as being a tad bit kooky? A tad bit kooky? How about way kooky and so typical we've all grown used to it, but watch anyway, like people rubbernecking at a car accident? More like a fine whine that grows more bitter with age. I'm sure the cognitive dissonance is wearing on her, defending something long dead, as this latest obsessive rant from Ms. Stein shows. Can't transcend these deep attachments. I feel her pain. She's lost yet another imagined bet. But what an actice imagination! Thats the power of TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes Judy you are right about everything...(backs slowly out of the room) really, everything is just fine, Thank you ( I find the door knob without taking my eyes off of her and slip out the door backwards.) Click. Then the sound of rapid footsteps and a car door opens and closes. The car is heard laying rubber half way down the street. The end. Curtis - coming through with the daily chuckle early on. This is good stuff, Curtis. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Google Groups tell us that your exchanges with Curtis happened between February 1997 and November 1997. THAT'S ALMOST 10 FUCKING YEARS AGO!!! Maybe the poor bastard is a different person? Maybe he's changed (assuming that he was this horrible person that you paint him out as being)? Why in heaven's name can't you give it up, Judy? Do you not see your obsessive post (below) as being a tad bit kooky? A tad bit kooky? How about way kooky and so typical we've all grown used to it, but watch anyway, like people rubbernecking at a car accident? More like a fine whine that grows more bitter with age. I'm sure the cognitive dissonance is wearing on her, defending something long dead, as this latest obsessive rant from Ms. Stein shows. Can't transcend these deep attachments. I feel her pain. I honestly think that's the whole point. She's in pain, and wants other people to feel it and share it. I am commenting with (I hope) some sense of compassion, because this latest escapade is so transparent that I think almost everyone here sees it for what it is. In all honesty, I think that the sense of pain Judy feels and hopes to share with people comes from an ever- shrinking self (small s). She has been imprisoned in it for so long that she has really come to believe that it is who she is. Unlike some here, she really hasn't ever had strong experiences that just blow her out of her socks and out of her self long enough to realize that it's an illusion. So when someone challenges the ideas she has about her self, the self reacts angrily, and out of a sense of survival. It's like watching a psychic fight-or-flight response, in this case almost always spoiling for a fight. The solution is something that, sadly, none of us can provide her with -- a transcendental or near- transcendental experience so strong that she exper- iences and *feels* how illusory her ideas of self are, how illusory her beliefs are, how manufactured are her truths. Without that subjective experience, there's really very little possibility of her self releasing control and allowing the human being who lives inside to shine forth. Compounding the problem is the fact that, unlike many if not most of the people here, Judy has never been a teacher. Those who have know all too well the liberating effect of having to put one's ego and self on the shelf, in the interest of another. Yeah, you'd like to stand up there in front of a group of people and say shit that glorifies your own ego and gets them to compliment you and say how brilliant you are. But it's just not fuckin' *appropriate*, man. Your position there in front of the class is to *help* people, to possibly convey enough experience and information to them to assist them in their own self realization. This is a process that wears *away* the self, as opposed to reinforcing its hold on us. Judy has never had that experience. As far as I can tell, her gratification and sense of satisfaction in life has always come from one thing and one thing only -- winning arguments. She posts links here to her Great Slams Of The Past, asking people to go read how she devastated some opponent with her brilliance years or decades ago. I ask you...if that's not sad, and deserving of compassion, what is? Is there *nothing* in her present that she can see and point to with a similar sense of pride or accomplishment? I'm sorry to perpetuate this whole mess by comment- ing again, but really the time felt right to do so. I've been avoiding her -- I do not read her posts, except as quoted by other posters whose posts I do read, and I do not reply to anything she says to me or about me. It's the only thing I can think of to do. I feel sad for her, and for whatever circumstances made her this unhappy, after a life- time of meditation, but really IT'S JUST NOT MY FUCKIN' PROBLEM. I wish her well at becoming a human being, but after all these years with no change whatsoever, I'm not gonna hold my breath, and I'm certainly not going to compound things by responding to her and giving her sad ego the fuel it needs to perpetuate the stranglehold it has on her. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good to hear from you. I agree wholeheartedly with Shemp. There is only one sane response -- DO NOT RESPOND. Do a Nancy Reagan, Just say. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm sorry to perpetuate this whole mess by comment- ing again, but really the time felt right to do so. snip Good post Turqarooni. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A tad bit kooky? How about way kooky and so typical we've all grown used to it, but watch anyway, like people rubbernecking at a car accident? More like a fine whine that grows more bitter with age. I'm sure the cognitive dissonance is wearing on her, defending something long dead, as this latest obsessive rant from Ms. Stein shows. Can't transcend these deep attachments. I feel her pain. She's lost yet another imagined bet. But what an actice imagination! Thats the power of TM. Good A. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis-
Times have changed. This group for one. Through the years I wondered if there was really anyone home. I got my answer. In any case the boredom must end for everyone elses sake. I can't imagine how many times you guys have lived through this cycle! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible, you must have really offended AuthFriend in your previous incarnation. Maybe that's why she torments you. TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:16:58 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis Good to hear from you. I agree wholeheartedly with Shemp. There is only one sane response -- DO NOT RESPOND. - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Google Groups tell us that your exchanges with Curtis happened between February 1997 and November 1997. THAT'S ALMOST 10 FUCKING YEARS AGO!!! Maybe the poor bastard is a different person? Maybe he's changed (assuming that he was this horrible person that you paint him out as being)? Why in heaven's name can't you give it up, Judy? Do you not see your obsessive post (below) as being a tad bit kooky? A tad bit kooky? How about way kooky and so typical we've all grown used to it, but watch anyway, like people rubbernecking at a car accident? More like a fine whine that grows more bitter with age. I'm sure the cognitive dissonance is wearing on her, defending something long dead, as this latest obsessive rant from Ms. Stein shows. Can't transcend these deep attachments. I feel her pain. I honestly think that's the whole point. She's in pain, and wants other people to feel it and share it. I am commenting with (I hope) some sense of compassion, because this latest escapade is so transparent that I think almost everyone here sees it for what it is. In all honesty, I think that the sense of pain Judy feels and hopes to share with people comes from an ever- shrinking self (small s). She has been imprisoned in it for so long that she has really come to believe that it is who she is. Unlike some here, she really hasn't ever had strong experiences that just blow her out of her socks and out of her self long enough to realize that it's an illusion. So when someone challenges the ideas she has about her self, the self reacts angrily, and out of a sense of survival. It's like watching a psychic fight-or-flight response, in this case almost always spoiling for a fight. The solution is something that, sadly, none of us can provide her with -- a transcendental or near- transcendental experience so strong that she exper- iences and *feels* how illusory her ideas of self are, how illusory her beliefs are, how manufactured are her truths. Without that subjective experience, there's really very little possibility of her self releasing control and allowing the human being who lives inside to shine forth. Compounding the problem is the fact that, unlike many if not most of the people here, Judy has never been a teacher. Those who have know all too well the liberating effect of having to put one's ego and self on the shelf, in the interest of another. Yeah, you'd like to stand up there in front of a group of people and say shit that glorifies your own ego and gets them to compliment you and say how brilliant you are. But it's just not fuckin' *appropriate*, man. Your position there in front of the class is to *help* people, to possibly convey enough experience and information to them to assist them in their own self realization. This is a process that wears *away* the self, as opposed to reinforcing its hold on us. Judy has never had that experience. As far as I can tell, her gratification and sense of satisfaction in life has always come from one thing and one thing only -- winning arguments. She posts links here to her Great Slams Of The Past, asking people to go read how she devastated some opponent with her brilliance years or decades ago. I ask you...if that's not sad, and deserving of compassion, what is? Is there *nothing* in her present that she can see and point to with a similar sense of pride or accomplishment? I'm sorry to perpetuate this whole mess by comment- ing again, but really the time felt right to do so. I've been avoiding her -- I do not read her posts, except as quoted by other posters whose posts I do read, and I do not reply to anything she says to me or about me. It's the only thing I can think of to do. I feel sad for her, and for whatever circumstances made her this unhappy, after a life- time of meditation, but really IT'S JUST NOT MY FUCKIN' PROBLEM. I wish her well at becoming a human being, but after all these years with no change whatsoever, I'm not gonna hold my breath, and I'm certainly not going to compound things by responding to her and giving her sad ego the fuel it needs to perpetuate the stranglehold it has on her. Good insight- Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Google Groups tell us that your exchanges with Curtis happened between February 1997 and November 1997. THAT'S ALMOST 10 FUCKING YEARS AGO!!! Actually I was I who told you when those exchanges took place, before Curtis ever showed up here, in response to a request from Sal. I even provided a URL for one of the threads. Did you think you had made some kind of revelatory discovery, Shemp? Maybe the poor bastard is a different person? Maybe he's changed (assuming that he was this horrible person that you paint him out as being)? What an astonishing comment given the exchanges between Curtis and me here. I don't know whether he's a horrible person. All I know of him are his posts. For all I know he's a saint except when he gets into a challenging exchange on an electronic forum. Why in heaven's name can't you give it up, Judy? Why can't *I* give it up?? Another mindboggler. As I've already pointed out to you, I had been *discouraging* Curtis from digging it all up again, but he insisted. Do you not see your obsessive post (below) as being a tad bit kooky? You mean, the post in which I was responding to Curtis's request that I explain why I didn't respond positively to his compliment post? Look at the very first quoted line below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I still would like to know what upset you about my post. Now go take your medication, Shemp. I wasn't upset by it, Curtis. Mildly disappointed, but not surprised, that you hadn't changed, as I said to start with. OK, Curtis, let's go over it again. Let's see whether you can actually address what I've already said. I'm betting you won't: My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. Note that what Rick said was that he thought you had paid me a compliment. You say he had it right. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you're interested in knowing why, I'll tell you, but I suspect you're not. I was surprised when you reacted so strongly to my message. It was not meant to offend you, quite the opposite. Here's what you wrote: Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an important experience for me. There were times when I felt misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was the reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for me to articulate my thoughts about the movement in such detail, and it never would have happened without me being so pissed off at your messages. Please explain the basis on which you believe I should have taken this as a sincere compliment. You didn't respond. If it's so obvious that it was a compliment, as Rick said and you confirmed, why couldn't you just explain what the compliment was? Perhaps this version will make more sense: The reason I kept posting was because of you. Posting was a good thing for me. Got it? So where's the compliment? How is that some kind of attempt at reconciliation, as Shemp claims? (You said this over and over again back on alt.m.t, of course, so there's nothing new here.) Next, let's restore what I was responding to that you go on to quote: I thought you could relate to what I was saying. It must have been frustrating for you on AMT too, but I assumed you are happy you got your points across in the end. Does what you wrote that I quoted above describe my having gotten my points across? No. But if you had related to what I wrote in the way I expected, you might have thought Yes I got my points across also, even though the discussions were difficult. That was my expectation in writing it. That it would piss you off never crossed my mind. Why on *earth* should I have thought you were suggesting I got my points across? For that matter, why on earth should I imagine on the basis of our alt.m.t exchanges that I got my points across? The exact opposite was the case. My problem with you, Curtis, was (and is) your gross intellectual (and even factual) dishonesty. With people like you, it's never entirely clear whether they're *intending* to mislead and deceive, or whether they've done such a snow job on themselves that they genuinely believe their own misrepresentations. So I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt on that point. Excellent example of why it was so hard to continue posting on AMT. Ah, so it wasn't hard because I was getting my points across. It was hard because my posts were pissing you off. Of course, on alt.m.t, I didn't start calling you on
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Judy: What's the statute of limitations on WHO GIVES A FUCK? That was 10 years ago, woman! Give it up. Shemp: I was responding to this *from Curtis*: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I still would like to know what upset you about my post. And this after I had advised him strongly that he might want to leave it alone. Belatedly, he's decided to follow both my advice and yours, having gotten a taste of what I had been suggesting he might not want to get into. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I continued through all the you are a liar barrage last time because I wanted to get my thoughts out. This time I do not have that motivation. I am just enjoying hearing from old friends, especially since many were perplexed about me leaving TM after being so into it for so long. Thanks again. Good to hear from you. I agree wholeheartedly with Shemp. There is only one sane response -- DO NOT RESPOND. Me, several days ago: Curtis, I've been restraining myself. I have a whole lot to say about our previous encounters, and you might think about whether you really want to set me off. Curtis, disregarding my advisory: So if you want to tell me why you reacted to my post like that I would like to hear it. And then after I'd told him: I still would like to know what upset you about my post. This forum is catnip for Curtis, a place where folks practically beg to have the wool pulled over their eyes, very much unlike alt.m.t. And he's taken full advantage of the opportunity, with considerable success. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip She's lost yet another imagined bet. But what an actice imagination! Thats the power of TM. Actually, I won the bet. I bet that Curtis, having ignored my suggestion that he didn't really want to get me started, would turn tail and run once he had done so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The solution is something that, sadly, none of us can provide her with -- a transcendental or near- transcendental experience so strong that she exper- iences and *feels* how illusory her ideas of self are, how illusory her beliefs are, how manufactured are her truths. Without that subjective experience, there's really very little possibility of her self releasing control and allowing the human being who lives inside to shine forth. Curtis, a few posts back: I did have great experiences with the program. For me it was the interpretation of what those experiences and states of mind means that changed for me. I came to think that Maharishi's description of what those experiences mean epistemologically was flawedI can relate to the experiences of people in the movement and their attraction, but I do not value the experiences in my own life the same way. I know that mystical experience is not just made up. It is powerful and compelling. But what does it mean? Answering that is something we all have to do for ourselves I guess. Be interesting to see a dialogue between Curtis and Barry on this point. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
My take on it is that Judy loves a good fight. It makes her feel alive or something. Since Barry isn't playing along much lately, Curtis' debut got her salivating. But he was so darned nice and polite. Has he been castrated? What's his problem? Anyway, she's been trying unsuccessfully to goad him into an argument. on 5/11/06 7:37 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Google Groups tell us that your exchanges with Curtis happened between February 1997 and November 1997. THAT'S ALMOST 10 FUCKING YEARS AGO!!! Maybe the poor bastard is a different person? Maybe he's changed (assuming that he was this horrible person that you paint him out as being)? Why in heaven's name can't you give it up, Judy? Do you not see your obsessive post (below) as being a tad bit kooky? A tad bit kooky? How about way kooky and so typical we've all grown used to it, but watch anyway, like people rubbernecking at a car accident? More like a fine whine that grows more bitter with age. I'm sure the cognitive dissonance is wearing on her, defending something long dead, as this latest obsessive rant from Ms. Stein shows. Can't transcend these deep attachments. I feel her pain. I honestly think that's the whole point. She's in pain, and wants other people to feel it and share it. I am commenting with (I hope) some sense of compassion, because this latest escapade is so transparent that I think almost everyone here sees it for what it is. In all honesty, I think that the sense of pain Judy feels and hopes to share with people comes from an ever- shrinking self (small s). She has been imprisoned in it for so long that she has really come to believe that it is who she is. Unlike some here, she really hasn't ever had strong experiences that just blow her out of her socks and out of her self long enough to realize that it's an illusion. So when someone challenges the ideas she has about her self, the self reacts angrily, and out of a sense of survival. It's like watching a psychic fight-or-flight response, in this case almost always spoiling for a fight. The solution is something that, sadly, none of us can provide her with -- a transcendental or near- transcendental experience so strong that she exper- iences and *feels* how illusory her ideas of self are, how illusory her beliefs are, how manufactured are her truths. Without that subjective experience, there's really very little possibility of her self releasing control and allowing the human being who lives inside to shine forth. Compounding the problem is the fact that, unlike many if not most of the people here, Judy has never been a teacher. Those who have know all too well the liberating effect of having to put one's ego and self on the shelf, in the interest of another. Yeah, you'd like to stand up there in front of a group of people and say shit that glorifies your own ego and gets them to compliment you and say how brilliant you are. But it's just not fuckin' *appropriate*, man. Your position there in front of the class is to *help* people, to possibly convey enough experience and information to them to assist them in their own self realization. This is a process that wears *away* the self, as opposed to reinforcing its hold on us. Judy has never had that experience. As far as I can tell, her gratification and sense of satisfaction in life has always come from one thing and one thing only -- winning arguments. She posts links here to her Great Slams Of The Past, asking people to go read how she devastated some opponent with her brilliance years or decades ago. I ask you...if that's not sad, and deserving of compassion, what is? Is there *nothing* in her present that she can see and point to with a similar sense of pride or accomplishment? I'm sorry to perpetuate this whole mess by comment- ing again, but really the time felt right to do so. I've been avoiding her -- I do not read her posts, except as quoted by other posters whose posts I do read, and I do not reply to anything she says to me or about me. It's the only thing I can think of to do. I feel sad for her, and for whatever circumstances made her this unhappy, after a life- time of meditation, but really IT'S JUST NOT MY FUCKIN' PROBLEM. I wish her well at becoming a human being, but after all these years with no change whatsoever, I'm not gonna hold my breath, and I'm certainly not going to compound things by responding to her and giving her sad ego the fuel it needs to perpetuate the stranglehold it has on her. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To subscribe, send a message to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the statute of limitations on WHO GIVES A FUCK? That was 10 years ago, woman! Give it up. Dude! Thanks for making me laugh out loud! Me, several days ago: Curtis, I've been restraining myself. I have a whole lot to say about our previous encounters, and you might think about whether you really want to set me off. Curtis, disregarding my advisory: So if you want to tell me why you reacted to my post like that I would like to hear it. And then after I'd told him: I still would like to know what upset you about my post. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy has the sutra, Tenacity of a flea. Admirable in one context, not so in another. Oh, heck, one more time: Me, several days ago: Curtis, I've been restraining myself. I have a whole lot to say about our previous encounters, and you might think about whether you really want to set me off. Curtis, disregarding my advisory: So if you want to tell me why you reacted to my post like that I would like to hear it. And then after I'd told him: I still would like to know what upset you about my post. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My take on it is that Judy loves a good fight. It makes her feel alive or something. Since Barry isn't playing along much lately, Curtis' debut got her salivating. But he was so darned nice and polite. Has he been castrated? What's his problem? Anyway, she's been trying unsuccessfully to goad him into an argument. I think I'll just keep posting this as long as the up-is-down meme that I'm the one who has been goading Curtis into an argument keeps appearing. Me, several days ago: Curtis, I've been restraining myself. I have a whole lot to say about our previous encounters, and you might think about whether you really want to set me off. Curtis, disregarding my advisory: So if you want to tell me why you reacted to my post like that I would like to hear it. And then after I'd told him: I still would like to know what upset you about my post. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
Shemp (taking inspiration from Curtis' backing out the door, smiling episode): Yes, Judy (Shemp picking up a Colt .45), you're absolutely right, Judy (Shemp loading all six chambers), please forgive me my trespasses, Judy (Shemp putting barrel of gun to his head), you're a wonderful perfect person, Judy (Shemp squeezes trigger and puts himself out of misery). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I continued through all the you are a liar barrage last time because I wanted to get my thoughts out. This time I do not have that motivation. I am just enjoying hearing from old friends, especially since many were perplexed about me leaving TM after being so into it for so long. Thanks again. Good to hear from you. I agree wholeheartedly with Shemp. There is only one sane response -- DO NOT RESPOND. Me, several days ago: Curtis, I've been restraining myself. I have a whole lot to say about our previous encounters, and you might think about whether you really want to set me off. Curtis, disregarding my advisory: So if you want to tell me why you reacted to my post like that I would like to hear it. And then after I'd told him: I still would like to know what upset you about my post. This forum is catnip for Curtis, a place where folks practically beg to have the wool pulled over their eyes, very much unlike alt.m.t. And he's taken full advantage of the opportunity, with considerable success. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Good to hear from you. I agree wholeheartedly with Shemp. There is only one sane response -- DO NOT RESPOND. Do a Nancy Reagan, Just say. Me, several days ago: Curtis, I've been restraining myself. I have a whole lot to say about our previous encounters, and you might think about whether you really want to set me off. Curtis, disregarding my advisory: So if you want to tell me why you reacted to my post like that I would like to hear it. And then after I'd told him: I still would like to know what upset you about my post. Okay, so Curtis forgot to add ...in 3,000 words or less Could you please stop torturing him (and the rest of us) because of his mistake? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip She's lost yet another imagined bet. But what an actice imagination! Thats the power of TM. Actually, I won the bet. I bet that Curtis, having ignored my suggestion that he didn't really want to get me started, would turn tail and run once he had done so. Uh, Judy? (as the men in white coats quietly enter the room) Hate to break this to you but, see, in order for there to be an actual bet there has to be two different people that actually agree to be the two opposing parties to the bet (the men in white coats get out a shirt with really long arms). Writing I bet Curtis does or doesn't do this or that thing unilaterally on this forum doesn't actually constitute a bet (as men with white coats fit our subject into shirt with really long arms and the sound of velcro is heard). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
Shemp, why do you have such a hard-on for Judy? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip She's lost yet another imagined bet. But what an actice imagination! Thats the power of TM. Actually, I won the bet. I bet that Curtis, having ignored my suggestion that he didn't really want to get me started, would turn tail and run once he had done so. Uh, Judy? (as the men in white coats quietly enter the room) Hate to break this to you but, see, in order for there to be an actual bet there has to be two different people that actually agree to be the two opposing parties to the bet (the men in white coats get out a shirt with really long arms). Writing I bet Curtis does or doesn't do this or that thing unilaterally on this forum doesn't actually constitute a bet (as men with white coats fit our subject into shirt with really long arms and the sound of velcro is heard). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: My take on it is that Judy loves a good fight. It makes her feel alive or something. Since Barry isn't playing along much lately, Curtis' debut got her salivating. But he was so darned nice and polite. Has he been castrated? What's his problem? Anyway, she's been trying unsuccessfully to goad him into an argument. I think I'll just keep posting this as long as the up-is-down meme that I'm the one who has been goading Curtis into an argument keeps appearing. Me, several days ago: Curtis, I've been restraining myself. I have a whole lot to say about our previous encounters, and you might think about whether you really want to set me off. Curtis, disregarding my advisory: So if you want to tell me why you reacted to my post like that I would like to hear it. And then after I'd told him: I still would like to know what upset you about my post. Judy must have just finished reading the book Win Friends and Influence People. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, why do you have such a hard-on for Judy? She once emailed me her photo. If you'd have received that photo, you'd have a hard-on, too! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip She's lost yet another imagined bet. But what an actice imagination! Thats the power of TM. Actually, I won the bet. I bet that Curtis, having ignored my suggestion that he didn't really want to get me started, would turn tail and run once he had done so. Uh, Judy? (as the men in white coats quietly enter the room) Hate to break this to you but, see, in order for there to be an actual bet there has to be two different people that actually agree to be the two opposing parties to the bet (the men in white coats get out a shirt with really long arms). Writing I bet Curtis does or doesn't do this or that thing unilaterally on this forum doesn't actually constitute a bet (as men with white coats fit our subject into shirt with really long arms and the sound of velcro is heard). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip She's lost yet another imagined bet. But what an actice imagination! Thats the power of TM. Actually, I won the bet. I bet that Curtis, having ignored my suggestion that he didn't really want to get me started, would turn tail and run once he had done so. Uh, Judy? (as the men in white coats quietly enter the room) Hate to break this to you but, see, in order for there to be an actual bet there has to be two different people that actually agree to be the two opposing parties to the bet (the men in white coats get out a shirt with really long arms). Right. Cast your eyes upward, Shemp, and re-read what anon_astute wrote. Oh, never mind, I know that takes more effort than you can spare, so I'll copy it right here: She's lost yet another imagined bet. Now, carefully count five words in. Do you see the word imagined? Good. Do you know what it means? No? Why don't you try checking Mr. Dictionary? Done that? Good. Now: What's the difference, do you suppose, between an actual bet (your term) and an imagined bet (anon_astute's term)? (You may need to look up actual in Mr. Dictionary now. I'll wait.) Done that? Good. Remember, I was responding to anon_astute's comment. Therefore, the chances are excellent--overwhelmingly likely, in fact--that when I said I won the bet, I was referring to what anon_astute called, quite correctly, an imagined bet. Now do you see why it's so important to read what you're responding to, so you don't make an utter fool of yourself yet again? No? OK. Never mind... Now go take your medication, please. Writing I bet Curtis does or doesn't do this or that thing unilaterally on this forum doesn't actually constitute a bet (as men with white coats fit our subject into shirt with really long arms and the sound of velcro is heard). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: Shemp, why do you have such a hard-on for Judy? She once emailed me her photo. If you'd have received that photo, you'd have a hard-on, too! (Shemp neglects to add that the photo was taken about 45 years ago.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Shemp wrote:] What's the statute of limitations on WHO GIVES A FUCK? That was 10 years ago, woman! Give it up. Dude! Thanks for making me laugh out loud! Minor point here, but notice that Curtis carefully avoids pointing out to Shemp that he, Curtis, had willfully disregarded my suggestion that he not get me started. Curtis is perfectly happy--and most likely well pleased--for Shemp and many others here to continue to believe something that Curtis knows perfectly well is not so, i.e., that it was I who was pushing the discussion of what happened 10 years ago, rather than his very own self. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
Judy is correct about this... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My take on it is that Judy loves a good fight. It makes her feel alive or something. Since Barry isn't playing along much lately, Curtis' debut got her salivating. But he was so darned nice and polite. Has he been castrated? What's his problem? Anyway, she's been trying unsuccessfully to goad him into an argument. And we are all holding our breath to see if he is going to oblige. And we are all deeply hoping that he does not. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
Probably not Curtis, but if you do, please let us know and I'll spring for the popcorn. :) Sal On May 11, 2006, at 7:23 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I had a question and I got my answer. No need to bore you guys anymore is there?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
Sal, Did you know me at the TM center in DC? Did I ever report you for wearing jeans? I may be confusing your previous posts with someone else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not Curtis, but if you do, please let us know and I'll spring for the popcorn. :) Sal On May 11, 2006, at 7:23 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I had a question and I got my answer. No need to bore you guys anymore is there? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: My take on it is that Judy loves a good fight. It makes her feel alive or something. Since Barry isn't playing along much lately, Curtis' debut got her salivating. But he was so darned nice and polite. Has he been castrated? What's his problem? Anyway, she's been trying unsuccessfully to goad him into an argument. And we are all holding our breath to see if he is going to oblige. And we are all deeply hoping that he does not. No, you see, you have it backwards. I attempted to discourage *Curtis* from starting an argument with *me*, and he went ahead and did so anyway. And you were powerless to stop from your side, right? The Devil made me do it Don't you find it curious that you got it exactly backward? Doesn't it make you wonder what *else* you might have totally screwed up in your alleged mind? And isn't it odd that Rick hasn't seen fit to correct his blatantly erroneous statement? Could it have been deliberate, perhaps? Could it be that you are totally fucking nuts? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
Can't remember whether or not you actually reported me for anything, but you (and Mark) kept me off a course (undoubtedly doing me a favor, altho I wasn't too happy at the time). Bygones, of course, and none of that would have happened had it not been encouraged by whatever PTB were encouraging it...which is why none of us are part of it anymore. And it wasn't just you guys...I remember I actually got reported for something by someone who I thought was a friend, that I head helped to sponsor! So much for idealism. I still wonder though...was all of that line-toeing/reporting etc. official TMO policy, and, if so, did they actually issue directives or put it in writing? Sal On May 11, 2006, at 7:59 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Did you know me at the TM center in DC? Did I ever report you for wearing jeans? I may be confusing your previous posts with someone else.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip What's his problem? Anyway, she's been trying unsuccessfully to goad him into an argument. And we are all holding our breath to see if he is going to oblige. And we are all deeply hoping that he does not. No, you see, you have it backwards. I attempted to discourage *Curtis* from starting an argument with *me*, and he went ahead and did so anyway. And you were powerless to stop from your side, right? Non sequitur. Rick did not say, Curtis tried successfully to goad her into an argument after she had warned him not to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
on 5/11/06 7:19 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: My take on it is that Judy loves a good fight. It makes her feel alive or something. Since Barry isn't playing along much lately, Curtis' debut got her salivating. But he was so darned nice and polite. Has he been castrated? What's his problem? Anyway, she's been trying unsuccessfully to goad him into an argument. And we are all holding our breath to see if he is going to oblige. And we are all deeply hoping that he does not. No, you see, you have it backwards. I attempted to discourage *Curtis* from starting an argument with *me*, and he went ahead and did so anyway. Don't you find it curious that you got it exactly backward? Doesn't it make you wonder what *else* you might have totally screwed up in your alleged mind? And isn't it odd that Rick hasn't seen fit to correct his blatantly erroneous statement? Could it have been deliberate, perhaps? What? My statement? If so, yes. I deliberately stated my observation, which seemed to be shared by everyone who cared to comment on the situation, as well as one person who emailed me privately, which was that Curtis wasn't trying to cause trouble, but you seemed to be, by dredging up feelings you're still harboring from your conversations with him nine years ago. I'm sure you'll come back at me with some defensive song and dance, but I'm just stating an objective fact: that people viewed the situation this way. They may all have been mistaken, but that's not the point. The point is that people dislike petty bickering and nit-picking over who said what to whom and who was right and who was wrong. You seem to thrive on this, but most others here don't share your proclivity. As usual, I haven't bothered to read everything you and others have written on this matter, and I'm not about to, so please don't take a lot of your time writing a long response. Good night and good luck. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/11/06 7:19 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: My take on it is that Judy loves a good fight. It makes her fee alive or something. Since Barry isn't playing along much lately, Curtis' debut got her salivating. But he was so darned nice and polite. Has he been castrated? What's his problem? Anyway, she's been trying unsuccessfully to goad him into an argument. And we are all holding our breath to see if he is going to oblige. And we are all deeply hoping that he does not. No, you see, you have it backwards. I attempted to discourage *Curtis* from starting an argument with *me*, and he went ahead and did so anyway. Don't you find it curious that you got it exactly backward? Doesn't it make you wonder what *else* you might have totally screwed up in your alleged mind? And isn't it odd that Rick hasn't seen fit to correct his blatantly erroneous statement? Could it have been deliberate, perhaps? What? My statement? If so, yes. I deliberately stated my observation, which seemed to be shared by everyone who cared to comment on the situation, as well as one person who emailed me privately, It doesn't matter how many people shared it, Rick. That doesn't make it accurate. which was that Curtis wasn't trying to cause trouble, but you seemed to be, by dredging up feelings you're still harboring from your conversations with him nine years ago. I'm sure you'll come back at me with some defensive song and dance I'll come back at you with facts, Rick. >From message 97599: Curtis, I've been restraining myself. I have a whole lot to say about our previous encounters, and you might think about whether you really want to set me off. >From message 97635: Second, if you don't care about our past arguments, stop trying to perpetuate them. I did my damndest to see you in a new, more positive light when you showed up here, but your subsequent comments have made that impossible. Now I'm trying to restrain myself from explaining why I saw, and now still see, you in a negative light. You can contribute to or sabotage that effort. Curtis chose to sabotage it, as you can see from the rest of the messages in the exchange. , but I'm just stating an objective fact: that people viewed the situation this way. No, that's not what you stated. You stated how you viewed the situation as if it were a fact. It is not a fact, no matter how many people viewed it that way. They may all have been mistaken, but that's not the point. The point is that people dislike petty bickering and nit-picking over who said what to whom and who was right and who was wrong. You seem to thrive on this As you can see from those quotes, Rick, I made an effort to *stop* it. Curtis chose to perpetuate it. , but most others here don't share your proclivity. As usual, I haven't bothered to read everything you and others have written on this matter, and I'm not about to, so please don't take a lot of your time writing a long response. And the hell with any semblance of basic fairness, eh, Rick? This is the very attitude that put Bush in the White House. Good night and good luck. I can't begin to express my contempt. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, You are giving me too much credit in two ways. Too much credit for being clever. Too much credit for being an asshole. You get a lot more credit from me for the latter than the former. I will post more tomorrow but this sums it up. Curtis, I've been restraining myself. I have a whole lot to say about our previous encounters, and you might think about whether you really want to set me off. Snarky is a fantastic word, and anytime snarky is used, John Stewart and Steven Colbert get a boner. Snarky is the new UC! Curtis --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 5/9/06 7:18 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: And with this analysis, it's apparent that you haven't changed a bit since then. Have you? Too bad. What's bad about it? He was paying you a compliment. You were the grain of sand that stimulated the oyster to create a pearl. This one has me scratching my head too. Not sure how you find malicious intent in Curtis's post, but you know the MMY saying about thorns. This is really very funny. Curtis knew I'd get the snark in his post, while others would miss it completely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes you think Curtis is a white guy? I was born a poor black child. -- the opening line of Steve Martin's The Jerk For one dollar I'll guess your weight, your height, or your sex. -- another great line from The Jerk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you look good in your photograph...but, hey, I guess we can't say that it's TM practise that's keeping you looking as young as you do, eh? -): Give the TBs time...they'll find a way. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The comment by the person who felt my music was soulless is literally true. I have no soul. Well said. More people should have the ability to deal with putdowns by laughing at them, and at themselves. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The comment by the person who felt my music was soulless is literally true. I have no soul. Well said. More people should have the ability to deal with putdowns by laughing at them, and at themselves. Careful, we got some wisdom flowing here. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The comment by the person who felt my music was soulless is literally true. I have no soul. Well said. More people should have the ability to deal with putdowns by laughing at them, and at themselves. Careful, we got some wisdom flowing here. Except that Barry picked a bad example. The remark in question was not a putdown, it was someone's reaction to Curtis's performance on his CD, posted before Curtis showed up here (obviously, since Barry is quoting from Curtis's first post here). It was made by a person who, as far as I'm aware, had never met Curtis, either in the flesh or on an Internet forum. Which may have been why Curtis was able to take the remark so lightly, in contrast to the way he responded to what actually *were* putdowns from those who *did* know him. He didn't appear to be much amused by those. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
Your put downs were for the cartoon of me you have created in your own mind. But it is true that I do not always laugh off malicious intent. The question of how much soul my music displays is too subjective to discuss. I appreciate anyone listening long enough to form an opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The comment by the person who felt my music was soulless is literally true. I have no soul. Well said. More people should have the ability to deal with putdowns by laughing at them, and at themselves. Careful, we got some wisdom flowing here. Except that Barry picked a bad example. The remark in question was not a putdown, it was someone's reaction to Curtis's performance on his CD, posted before Curtis showed up here (obviously, since Barry is quoting from Curtis's first post here). It was made by a person who, as far as I'm aware, had never met Curtis, either in the flesh or on an Internet forum. Which may have been why Curtis was able to take the remark so lightly, in contrast to the way he responded to what actually *were* putdowns from those who *did* know him. He didn't appear to be much amused by those. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
Judy, Elvis may have already left the building. This group seems like a bunch of thoughtful people talking about things that matter to them. My opinions about TM are outdated. With discussions about chicks Maharishi banged going on, I hardly think anyone here needs me to remind them of his human flaws. I know what I feel about MMY and have sent it out to cyberspace for eternity. So what? No one cares what I think of TM. People who have done it longer than I have don't need my opinion. And the new people...well... (now I am being snarky!) if there were any new people they have google. But even that joke about no new TM people is dusty for this group. Anyone else here could have made it. I have more in common with the movement perspective expressed on this group than differences. As far as your perspective on the cartoon of me you have created in your own mind...I think you should hate me in the present rather than the past. It will be harder for me to care about arguments we had years ago. My goal was to put my opinion about my experience with TM out there and I did that. Your agenda is a mystery to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Judy, You are giving me too much credit in two ways. Too much credit for being clever. Too much credit for being an asshole. You get a lot more credit from me for the latter than the former. I will post more tomorrow but this sums it up. Curtis, I've been restraining myself. I have a whole lot to say about our previous encounters, and you might think about whether you really want to set me off. Snarky is a fantastic word, and anytime snarky is used, John Stewart and Steven Colbert get a boner. Snarky is the new UC! Curtis --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 5/9/06 7:18 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: And with this analysis, it's apparent that you haven't changed a bit since then. Have you? Too bad. What's bad about it? He was paying you a compliment. You were the grain of sand that stimulated the oyster to create a pearl. This one has me scratching my head too. Not sure how you find malicious intent in Curtis's post, but you know the MMY saying about thorns. This is really very funny. Curtis knew I'd get the snark in his post, while others would miss it completely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As far as your perspective on the cartoon of me you have created in your own mind...I think you should hate me in the present rather than the past. It will be harder for me to care about arguments we had years ago. First, Curtis, I don't hate you. I just don't have a very high opinion of you. Second, if you don't care about our past arguments, stop trying to perpetuate them. I did my damndest to see you in a new, more positive light when you showed up here, but your subsequent comments have made that impossible. Now I'm trying to restrain myself from explaining why I saw, and now still see, you in a negative light. You can contribute to or sabotage that effort. As to whether my perspective on you is a cartoon, to a great extent the impressions we have of people from their posts on electronic forums are all cartoons, just by the nature of the beast. I'm addressing the cartoon I have of you, just as you're addressing the cartoon you have of me. Neither of us is in a position to judge which cartoon is closer to the reality. My goal was to put my opinion about my experience with TM out there and I did that. Your agenda is a mystery to me. Even though I had explained it many times in our earlier discussions on alt.m.t... One more time: My agenda, with TM as with anything else, is to promote objectivity, honesty, and fairness. In my experience with you, that was a Sissyphean (sp?) task. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What makes you think Curtis is a white guy? I was born a poor black child. -- the opening line of Steve Martin's The Jerk For one dollar I'll guess your weight, your height, or your sex. -- another great line from The Jerk Or, my favourite, from Ali G. who, upon being thrown out of Andy Rooney's office when his interview with Rooney went bad: Is it because I'm Black? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
I'm addressing the cartoon I have of you, just as you're addressing the cartoon you have of me. Neither of us is in a position to judge which cartoon is closer to the reality. I agree. Second, if you don't care about our past arguments, stop trying to perpetuate them. My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. One more time: My agenda, with TM as with anything else, is to promote objectivity, honesty, and fairness. In my experience with you, that was a Sissyphean (sp?) task. It is possible that this self-appointed role sets you up for your Sisyphean task? Promote it to whom? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip As far as your perspective on the cartoon of me you have created in your own mind...I think you should hate me in the present rather than the past. It will be harder for me to care about arguments we had years ago. First, Curtis, I don't hate you. I just don't have a very high opinion of you. Second, if you don't care about our past arguments, stop trying to perpetuate them. I did my damndest to see you in a new, more positive light when you showed up here, but your subsequent comments have made that impossible. Now I'm trying to restrain myself from explaining why I saw, and now still see, you in a negative light. You can contribute to or sabotage that effort. As to whether my perspective on you is a cartoon, to a great extent the impressions we have of people from their posts on electronic forums are all cartoons, just by the nature of the beast. I'm addressing the cartoon I have of you, just as you're addressing the cartoon you have of me. Neither of us is in a position to judge which cartoon is closer to the reality. My goal was to put my opinion about my experience with TM out there and I did that. Your agenda is a mystery to me. Even though I had explained it many times in our earlier discussions on alt.m.t... One more time: My agenda, with TM as with anything else, is to promote objectivity, honesty, and fairness. In my experience with you, that was a Sissyphean (sp?) task. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip As far as your perspective on the cartoon of me you have created in your own mind...I think you should hate me in the present rather than the past. It will be harder for me to care about arguments we had years ago. First, Curtis, I don't hate you. I just don't have a very high opinion of you. Second, if you don't care about our past arguments, stop trying to perpetuate them. I did my damndest to see you in a new, more positive light when you showed up here, but your subsequent comments have made that impossible. Now I'm trying to restrain myself from explaining why I saw, and now still see, you in a negative light. You can contribute to or sabotage that effort. As to whether my perspective on you is a cartoon, to a great extent the impressions we have of people from their posts on electronic forums are all cartoons, just by the nature of the beast. I'm addressing the cartoon I have of you, just as you're addressing the cartoon you have of me. Neither of us is in a position to judge which cartoon is closer to the reality. My goal was to put my opinion about my experience with TM out there and I did that. Your agenda is a mystery to me. Even though I had explained it many times in our earlier discussions on alt.m.t... One more time: My agenda, with TM as with anything else, is to promote objectivity, honesty, and fairness. In my experience with you, that was a Sissyphean (sp?) task. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm addressing the cartoon I have of you, just as you're addressing the cartoon you have of me. Neither of us is in a position to judge which cartoon is closer to the reality. I agree. Second, if you don't care about our past arguments, stop trying to perpetuate them. My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you're interested in knowing why, I'll tell you, but I suspect you're not. One more time: My agenda, with TM as with anything else, is to promote objectivity, honesty, and fairness. In my experience with you, that was a Sissyphean (sp?) task. It is possible that this self-appointed role sets you up for your Sisyphean task? That makes no sense, Curtis. My statement wasn't a complaint, it was a characterization of what I was dealing with in your case. Promote it to whom? To whoever is reading what I write, obviously. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I'm trying to restrain myself from explaining why I saw, and now still see, you in a negative light. You can contribute to or sabotage that effort. I would like to contribute to restraining you. Cuffs or silks? Keep it in the present if you expect a response. It's not a matter of getting a response. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you're interested in knowing why, I'll tell you, but I suspect you're not. I was surprised when you reacted so strongly to my message. It was not meant to offend you, quite the opposite. I thought you could relate to what I was saying. It must have been frustrating for you on AMT too, but I assumed you are happy you got your points across in the end. I often stated my opinions on AMT in a way that was disrespectful of you. I admit that. I often felt disrespected by your posts. But almost 9 years later I think of it as an interesting time in my life and it had value for me. So if you want to tell me why you reacted to my post like that I would like to hear it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I'm addressing the cartoon I have of you, just as you're addressing the cartoon you have of me. Neither of us is in a position to judge which cartoon is closer to the reality. I agree. Second, if you don't care about our past arguments, stop trying to perpetuate them. My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you're interested in knowing why, I'll tell you, but I suspect you're not. On amt, Judy, you are quick to defend John Manning who was, in the past, virulently anti-TM. And when you are reminded of this by willytex, you say that people can change. Curtis has said here that it's been many years since he debated with you on amt. Why can't you imagine that he has changed too? Or, at the very least, give him the benefit of the doubt, particularly since he complemented you the way he did? One more time: My agenda, with TM as with anything else, is to promote objectivity, honesty, and fairness. In my experience with you, that was a Sissyphean (sp?) task. It is possible that this self-appointed role sets you up for your Sisyphean task? That makes no sense, Curtis. My statement wasn't a complaint, it was a characterization of what I was dealing with in your case. Promote it to whom? To whoever is reading what I write, obviously. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I'm addressing the cartoon I have of you, just as you're addressing the cartoon you have of me. Neither of us is in a position to judge which cartoon is closer to the reality. I agree. Second, if you don't care about our past arguments, stop trying to perpetuate them. My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you're interested in knowing why, I'll tell you, but I suspect you're not. On amt, Judy, you are quick to defend John Manning who was, in the past, virulently anti-TM. And when you are reminded of this by willytex, you say that people can change. Curtis has said here that it's been many years since he debated with you on amt. Why can't you imagine that he has changed too? Or, at the very least, give him the benefit of the doubt, particularly since he complemented you the way he did? You haven't been paying attention, Shemp. Please review the correspondence here between Curtis and me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I'm addressing the cartoon I have of you, just as you're addressing the cartoon you have of me. Neither of us is in a position to judge which cartoon is closer to the reality. I agree. Second, if you don't care about our past arguments, stop trying to perpetuate them. My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you're interested in knowing why, I'll tell you, but I suspect you're not. On amt, Judy, you are quick to defend John Manning who was, in the past, virulently anti-TM. And when you are reminded of this by willytex, you say that people can change. Curtis has said here that it's been many years since he debated with you on amt. Why can't you imagine that he has changed too? Or, at the very least, give him the benefit of the doubt, particularly since he complemented you the way he did? You haven't been paying attention, Shemp. Please review the correspondence here between Curtis and me. I've read it all, Judy, and like virtually everyone else who has weighed in on it, I think you were incredibly rude and snide to him while he was not only civil towards you but reconciliatory. I was holding back on joining this unanimous chorus because I thought you'd come to your senses once I reminded you of your double standard but I was wrong. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you're interested in knowing why, I'll tell you, but I suspect you're not. I was surprised when you reacted so strongly to my message. It was not meant to offend you, quite the opposite. Here's what you wrote: Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an important experience for me. There were times when I felt misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was the reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for me to articulate my thoughts about the movement in such detail, and it never would have happened without me being so pissed off at your messages. Please explain the basis on which you believe I should have taken this as a sincere compliment. I thought you could relate to what I was saying. It must have been frustrating for you on AMT too, but I assumed you are happy you got your points across in the end. Does what you wrote that I quoted above describe my having gotten my points across? I often stated my opinions on AMT in a way that was disrespectful of you. I admit that. I often felt disrespected by your posts. That was par for the course on alt.m.t, and it wasn't the problem as far as I was concerned-- except for the many occasions when your disrespect involved outright misrepresentation of what was going on in the discussion. My problem with you, Curtis, was (and is) your gross intellectual (and even factual) dishonesty. With people like you, it's never entirely clear whether they're *intending* to mislead and deceive, or whether they've done such a snow job on themselves that they genuinely believe their own misrepresentations. So I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt on that point. Before I sent this post, I went back and reviewed some of our exchanges on alt.m.t to make sure I wasn't being unfair to you, that I wasn't remembering your participation as worse than it actually was. To the contrary, it was considerably worse than I had remembered it. But almost 9 years later I think of it as an interesting time in my life and it had value for me. So if you want to tell me why you reacted to my post like that I would like to hear it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you're interested in knowing why, I'll tell you, but I suspect you're not. I was surprised when you reacted so strongly to my message. It was not meant to offend you, quite the opposite. Here's what you wrote: Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an important experience for me. There were times when I felt misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was the reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for me to articulate my thoughts about the movement in such detail, and it never would have happened without me being so pissed off at your messages. Please explain the basis on which you believe I should have taken this as a sincere compliment. Curtis: Do yourself and everyone else on this forum a favour and don't respond to her. It is SO evident to all that this is a sincere compliment. Judy can't see it. Everyone else can. All that's going to happen to you if you respond to her is that you WILL end up angry, resentful and negative. Judy: Stop being a spoiled brat. I thought you could relate to what I was saying. It must have been frustrating for you on AMT too, but I assumed you are happy you got your points across in the end. Does what you wrote that I quoted above describe my having gotten my points across? I often stated my opinions on AMT in a way that was disrespectful of you. I admit that. I often felt disrespected by your posts. That was par for the course on alt.m.t, and it wasn't the problem as far as I was concerned-- except for the many occasions when your disrespect involved outright misrepresentation of what was going on in the discussion. My problem with you, Curtis, was (and is) your gross intellectual (and even factual) dishonesty. With people like you, it's never entirely clear whether they're *intending* to mislead and deceive, or whether they've done such a snow job on themselves that they genuinely believe their own misrepresentations. So I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt on that point. Before I sent this post, I went back and reviewed some of our exchanges on alt.m.t to make sure I wasn't being unfair to you, that I wasn't remembering your participation as worse than it actually was. To the contrary, it was considerably worse than I had remembered it. But almost 9 years later I think of it as an interesting time in my life and it had value for me. So if you want to tell me why you reacted to my post like that I would like to hear it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you're interested in knowing why, I'll tell you, but I suspect you're not. On amt, Judy, you are quick to defend John Manning who was, in the past, virulently anti-TM. And when you are reminded of this by willytex, you say that people can change. Curtis has said here that it's been many years since he debated with you on amt. Why can't you imagine that he has changed too? Or, at the very least, give him the benefit of the doubt, particularly since he complemented you the way he did? You haven't been paying attention, Shemp. Please review the correspondence here between Curtis and me. I've read it all, Judy, and like virtually everyone else who has weighed in on it, I think you were incredibly rude and snide to him while he was not only civil towards you but reconciliatory. Actually I think you're the only one to voice that conclusion. If you had read my very first post to him, you'd know I gave him *major* benefit of the doubt that he had changed. And if you had read my other posts--including the one you quote above!--you'd know that I don't believe he *was* paying me a compliment or being reconciliatory--to the contrary. So your whole premise makes no sense. I was holding back on joining this unanimous chorus because I thought you'd come to your senses once I reminded you of your double standard but I was wrong. Your unanimous chorus exists only in your mind, Shemp. It consists of two people who said they thought Curtis had paid me a compliment, period. Obviously there's no double standard if I think John has changed but Curtis has not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you're interested in knowing why, I'll tell you, but I suspect you're not. I was surprised when you reacted so strongly to my message. It was not meant to offend you, quite the opposite. Here's what you wrote: Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an important experience for me. There were times when I felt misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was the reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for me to articulate my thoughts about the movement in such detail, and it never would have happened without me being so pissed off at your messages. Please explain the basis on which you believe I should have taken this as a sincere compliment. Curtis: Do yourself and everyone else on this forum a favour and don't respond to her. (Note that Curtis *asked* me to explain my reaction to what he wrote. See the quote from his post at the very end.) It is SO evident to all that this is a sincere compliment. Judy can't see it. Everyone else can. I'm happy to read anyone's explanation of exactly what they think Curtis was complimenting me on (including his). If everyone can see it, there should be a whole bunch of responses. All that's going to happen to you if you respond to her is that you WILL end up angry, resentful and negative. If you'd been reading my posts, you would know that I've been trying to discourage Curtis from pursuing this, to no avail. I strongly suspect that his inability to come up with any specific reason I should feel complimented will do the trick of ending the discussion, though. Judy: Stop being a spoiled brat. I thought you could relate to what I was saying. It must have been frustrating for you on AMT too, but I assumed you are happy you got your points across in the end. Does what you wrote that I quoted above describe my having gotten my points across? I often stated my opinions on AMT in a way that was disrespectful of you. I admit that. I often felt disrespected by your posts. That was par for the course on alt.m.t, and it wasn't the problem as far as I was concerned-- except for the many occasions when your disrespect involved outright misrepresentation of what was going on in the discussion. My problem with you, Curtis, was (and is) your gross intellectual (and even factual) dishonesty. With people like you, it's never entirely clear whether they're *intending* to mislead and deceive, or whether they've done such a snow job on themselves that they genuinely believe their own misrepresentations. So I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt on that point. Before I sent this post, I went back and reviewed some of our exchanges on alt.m.t to make sure I wasn't being unfair to you, that I wasn't remembering your participation as worse than it actually was. To the contrary, it was considerably worse than I had remembered it. But almost 9 years later I think of it as an interesting time in my life and it had value for me. So if you want to tell me why you reacted to my post like that I would like to hear it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you're interested in knowing why, I'll tell you, but I suspect you're not. On amt, Judy, you are quick to defend John Manning who was, in the past, virulently anti-TM. And when you are reminded of this by willytex, you say that people can change. Curtis has said here that it's been many years since he debated with you on amt. Why can't you imagine that he has changed too? Or, at the very least, give him the benefit of the doubt, particularly since he complemented you the way he did? You haven't been paying attention, Shemp. Please review the correspondence here between Curtis and me. I've read it all, Judy, and like virtually everyone else who has weighed in on it, I think you were incredibly rude and snide to him while he was not only civil towards you but reconciliatory. Actually I think you're the only one to voice that conclusion. Huh? I've read several people stating that they felt he was positive to you. If you had read my very first post to him, you'd know I gave him *major* benefit of the doubt that he had changed. You were very civil and nice to him, yes. And if you had read my other posts--including the one you quote above!--you'd know that I don't believe he *was* paying me a compliment or being reconciliatory--to the contrary. So your whole premise makes no sense. I know you don't believe that he was paying you a compliment. That's obvious! If you believed he was paying you a compliment you wouldn't have been so snotty towards him. It's just that no one agrees with you. I was holding back on joining this unanimous chorus because I thought you'd come to your senses once I reminded you of your double standard but I was wrong. Your unanimous chorus exists only in your mind, Shemp. It consists of two people who said they thought Curtis had paid me a compliment, period. Uh, last time I looked those two plus me IS a unanimity if there are ZERO on the other side. Obviously there's no double standard if I think John has changed but Curtis has not. There is a double standard if you don't hold Curtis to the same standard, which you didn't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip There is a double standard if you don't hold Curtis to the same standard, which you didn't. There's no comparison, Shemp. Now go take your medication, please. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
What is this medication you are refering to.??Authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:23:39 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from CurtisThere's no comparison, Shemp.Now go take your medication, please. Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you're interested in knowing why, I'll tell you, but I suspect you're not. On amt, Judy, you are quick to defend John Manning who was, in the past, virulently anti-TM. And when you are reminded of this by willytex, you say that people can change. Curtis has said here that it's been many years since he debated with you on amt. Why can't you imagine that he has changed too? Or, at the very least, give him the benefit of the doubt, particularly since he complemented you the way he did? You haven't been paying attention, Shemp. Please review the correspondence here between Curtis and me. I've read it all, Judy, and like virtually everyone else who has weighed in on it, I think you were incredibly rude and snide to him while he was not only civil towards you but reconciliatory. Actually I think you're the only one to voice that conclusion. Huh? I've read several people stating that they felt he was positive to you. If you had read my very first post to him, you'd know I gave him *major* benefit of the doubt that he had changed. You were very civil and nice to him, yes. And if you had read my other posts--including the one you quote above!--you'd know that I don't believe he *was* paying me a compliment or being reconciliatory--to the contrary. So your whole premise makes no sense. I know you don't believe that he was paying you a compliment. That's obvious! If you believed he was paying you a compliment you wouldn't have been so snotty towards him. It's just that no one agrees with you. I was holding back on joining this unanimous chorus because I thought you'd come to your senses once I reminded you of your double standard but I was wrong. Your unanimous chorus exists only in your mind, Shemp. It consists of two people who said they thought Curtis had paid me a compliment, period. Uh, last time I looked those two plus me IS a unanimity if there are ZERO on the other side. snip +++ The chorus might not be unanimous but, I would guess it could be considerable although unheard due to the majority not wanting to waste the time to be involved. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
I still would like to know what upset you about my post. Perhaps this version will make more sense: The reason I kept posting was because of you. Posting was a good thing for me. Got it? Does what you wrote that I quoted above describe my having gotten my points across? No. But if you had related to what I wrote in the way I expected, you might have thought Yes I got my points across also, even though the discussions were difficult. That was my expectation in writing it. That it would piss you off never crossed my mind. My problem with you, Curtis, was (and is) your gross intellectual (and even factual) dishonesty. With people like you, it's never entirely clear whether they're *intending* to mislead and deceive, or whether they've done such a snow job on themselves that they genuinely believe their own misrepresentations. So I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt on that point. Excellent example of why it was so hard to continue posting on AMT. Very condescending and unfriendly. Starting a sentence with people like you is demeaning and rude. You have no reason to call me a liar and someone who has done a snowjob on themselves, whatever that means, based on what I have posted here. My problem with you, Curtis, was (and is) your gross intellectual (and even factual) dishonesty. I invite you to show me where I have been intellectually or factually dishonest in my posts here. Or perhaps an area where I am doing a snowjob on myself. (I mention for the sake of anyone else reading this that it is only with great restraint and effort that I do not take the phrase snowjob into the gutter for a field day. Great restraint...there are so many funny ways to use it...!) ... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you're interested in knowing why, I'll tell you, but I suspect you're not. I was surprised when you reacted so strongly to my message. It was not meant to offend you, quite the opposite. Here's what you wrote: Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an important experience for me. There were times when I felt misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was the reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for me to articulate my thoughts about the movement in such detail, and it never would have happened without me being so pissed off at your messages. Please explain the basis on which you believe I should have taken this as a sincere compliment. I thought you could relate to what I was saying. It must have been frustrating for you on AMT too, but I assumed you are happy you got your points across in the end. Does what you wrote that I quoted above describe my having gotten my points across? I often stated my opinions on AMT in a way that was disrespectful of you. I admit that. I often felt disrespected by your posts. That was par for the course on alt.m.t, and it wasn't the problem as far as I was concerned-- except for the many occasions when your disrespect involved outright misrepresentation of what was going on in the discussion. My problem with you, Curtis, was (and is) your gross intellectual (and even factual) dishonesty. With people like you, it's never entirely clear whether they're *intending* to mislead and deceive, or whether they've done such a snow job on themselves that they genuinely believe their own misrepresentations. So I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt on that point. Before I sent this post, I went back and reviewed some of our exchanges on alt.m.t to make sure I wasn't being unfair to you, that I wasn't remembering your participation as worse than it actually was. To the contrary, it was considerably worse than I had remembered it. But almost 9 years later I think of it as an interesting time in my life and it had value for me. So if you want to tell me why you reacted to my post like that I would like to hear it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
All that's going to happen to you if you respond to her is that you WILL end up angry, resentful and negative. You make a good point! Thanks for sticking up for me. I think the biggest problem is that our back and forth is so boring. I apologize for that. In any case it can't last long. I don't have it in me these days. I continued through all the you are a liar barrage last time because I wanted to get my thoughts out. This time I do not have that motivation. I am just enjoying hearing from old friends, especially since many were perplexed about me leaving TM after being so into it for so long. Thanks again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you're interested in knowing why, I'll tell you, but I suspect you're not. I was surprised when you reacted so strongly to my message. It was not meant to offend you, quite the opposite. Here's what you wrote: Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an important experience for me. There were times when I felt misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was the reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for me to articulate my thoughts about the movement in such detail, and it never would have happened without me being so pissed off at your messages. Please explain the basis on which you believe I should have taken this as a sincere compliment. Curtis: Do yourself and everyone else on this forum a favour and don't respond to her. It is SO evident to all that this is a sincere compliment. Judy can't see it. Everyone else can. All that's going to happen to you if you respond to her is that you WILL end up angry, resentful and negative. Judy: Stop being a spoiled brat. I thought you could relate to what I was saying. It must have been frustrating for you on AMT too, but I assumed you are happy you got your points across in the end. Does what you wrote that I quoted above describe my having gotten my points across? I often stated my opinions on AMT in a way that was disrespectful of you. I admit that. I often felt disrespected by your posts. That was par for the course on alt.m.t, and it wasn't the problem as far as I was concerned-- except for the many occasions when your disrespect involved outright misrepresentation of what was going on in the discussion. My problem with you, Curtis, was (and is) your gross intellectual (and even factual) dishonesty. With people like you, it's never entirely clear whether they're *intending* to mislead and deceive, or whether they've done such a snow job on themselves that they genuinely believe their own misrepresentations. So I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt on that point. Before I sent this post, I went back and reviewed some of our exchanges on alt.m.t to make sure I wasn't being unfair to you, that I wasn't remembering your participation as worse than it actually was. To the contrary, it was considerably worse than I had remembered it. But almost 9 years later I think of it as an interesting time in my life and it had value for me. So if you want to tell me why you reacted to my post like that I would like to hear it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still would like to know what upset you about my post. I wasn't upset by it, Curtis. Mildly disappointed, but not surprised, that you hadn't changed, as I said to start with. OK, Curtis, let's go over it again. Let's see whether you can actually address what I've already said. I'm betting you won't: My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. Note that what Rick said was that he thought you had paid me a compliment. You say he had it right. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you're interested in knowing why, I'll tell you, but I suspect you're not. I was surprised when you reacted so strongly to my message. It was not meant to offend you, quite the opposite. Here's what you wrote: Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an important experience for me. There were times when I felt misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was the reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for me to articulate my thoughts about the movement in such detail, and it never would have happened without me being so pissed off at your messages. Please explain the basis on which you believe I should have taken this as a sincere compliment. You didn't respond. If it's so obvious that it was a compliment, as Rick said and you confirmed, why couldn't you just explain what the compliment was? Perhaps this version will make more sense: The reason I kept posting was because of you. Posting was a good thing for me. Got it? So where's the compliment? How is that some kind of attempt at reconciliation, as Shemp claims? (You said this over and over again back on alt.m.t, of course, so there's nothing new here.) Next, let's restore what I was responding to that you go on to quote: I thought you could relate to what I was saying. It must have been frustrating for you on AMT too, but I assumed you are happy you got your points across in the end. Does what you wrote that I quoted above describe my having gotten my points across? No. But if you had related to what I wrote in the way I expected, you might have thought Yes I got my points across also, even though the discussions were difficult. That was my expectation in writing it. That it would piss you off never crossed my mind. Why on *earth* should I have thought you were suggesting I got my points across? For that matter, why on earth should I imagine on the basis of our alt.m.t exchanges that I got my points across? The exact opposite was the case. My problem with you, Curtis, was (and is) your gross intellectual (and even factual) dishonesty. With people like you, it's never entirely clear whether they're *intending* to mislead and deceive, or whether they've done such a snow job on themselves that they genuinely believe their own misrepresentations. So I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt on that point. Excellent example of why it was so hard to continue posting on AMT. Ah, so it wasn't hard because I was getting my points across. It was hard because my posts were pissing you off. Of course, on alt.m.t, I didn't start calling you on your dishonesty for quite a while, until it had become blatantly obvious you had no intention of being straightforward. It didn't take as long here because it was so clear the old pattern was repeating itself. Very condescending and unfriendly. Starting a sentence with people like you is demeaning and rude. You have no reason to call me a liar and someone who has done a snowjob on themselves, That would be or, Curtis, not and. whatever that means, based on what I have posted here. Well, yes, I do, and this present exchange is a perfect example. It's also *exactly* the sort of thing you pulled repeatedly in our discussions on alt.m.t: sidestepping, shifting ground, never addressing the point. My problem with you, Curtis, was (and is) your gross intellectual (and even factual) dishonesty. I invite you to show me where I have been intellectually or factually dishonest in my posts here. No clearcut factual dishonesty here, so far as I know, but plenty of intellectual dishonesty, as I've just demonstrated. Plenty of factual dishonesty on alt.m.t, though. Or perhaps an area where I am doing a snowjob on myself. Read what I wrote again. I said I couldn't tell whether you were deliberately attempting to mislead readers or whether you'd talked yourself into believing what you were saying. But a real good bet is your remark above, That it would piss you off never crossed my mind. And one more time: What pisses me off is not insults per se, it's *dishonesty*. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
Yes Judy you are right about everything...(backs slowly out of the room) really, everything is just fine, Thank you ( I find the door knob without taking my eyes off of her and slip out the door backwards.) Click. Then the sound of rapid footsteps and a car door opens and closes. The car is heard laying rubber half way down the street. The end. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I still would like to know what upset you about my post. I wasn't upset by it, Curtis. Mildly disappointed, but not surprised, that you hadn't changed, as I said to start with. OK, Curtis, let's go over it again. Let's see whether you can actually address what I've already said. I'm betting you won't: My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. Note that what Rick said was that he thought you had paid me a compliment. You say he had it right. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you're interested in knowing why, I'll tell you, but I suspect you're not. I was surprised when you reacted so strongly to my message. It was not meant to offend you, quite the opposite. Here's what you wrote: Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an important experience for me. There were times when I felt misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was the reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for me to articulate my thoughts about the movement in such detail, and it never would have happened without me being so pissed off at your messages. Please explain the basis on which you believe I should have taken this as a sincere compliment. You didn't respond. If it's so obvious that it was a compliment, as Rick said and you confirmed, why couldn't you just explain what the compliment was? Perhaps this version will make more sense: The reason I kept posting was because of you. Posting was a good thing for me. Got it? So where's the compliment? How is that some kind of attempt at reconciliation, as Shemp claims? (You said this over and over again back on alt.m.t, of course, so there's nothing new here.) Next, let's restore what I was responding to that you go on to quote: I thought you could relate to what I was saying. It must have been frustrating for you on AMT too, but I assumed you are happy you got your points across in the end. Does what you wrote that I quoted above describe my having gotten my points across? No. But if you had related to what I wrote in the way I expected, you might have thought Yes I got my points across also, even though the discussions were difficult. That was my expectation in writing it. That it would piss you off never crossed my mind. Why on *earth* should I have thought you were suggesting I got my points across? For that matter, why on earth should I imagine on the basis of our alt.m.t exchanges that I got my points across? The exact opposite was the case. My problem with you, Curtis, was (and is) your gross intellectual (and even factual) dishonesty. With people like you, it's never entirely clear whether they're *intending* to mislead and deceive, or whether they've done such a snow job on themselves that they genuinely believe their own misrepresentations. So I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt on that point. Excellent example of why it was so hard to continue posting on AMT. Ah, so it wasn't hard because I was getting my points across. It was hard because my posts were pissing you off. Of course, on alt.m.t, I didn't start calling you on your dishonesty for quite a while, until it had become blatantly obvious you had no intention of being straightforward. It didn't take as long here because it was so clear the old pattern was repeating itself. Very condescending and unfriendly. Starting a sentence with people like you is demeaning and rude. You have no reason to call me a liar and someone who has done a snowjob on themselves, That would be or, Curtis, not and. whatever that means, based on what I have posted here. Well, yes, I do, and this present exchange is a perfect example. It's also *exactly* the sort of thing you pulled repeatedly in our discussions on alt.m.t: sidestepping, shifting ground, never addressing the point. My problem with you, Curtis, was (and is) your gross intellectual (and even factual) dishonesty. I invite you to show me where I have been intellectually or factually dishonest in my posts here. No clearcut factual dishonesty here, so far as I know, but plenty of intellectual dishonesty, as I've just demonstrated. Plenty of factual dishonesty on alt.m.t, though. Or perhaps an area where I am
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes Judy you are right about everything...(backs slowly out of the room) really, everything is just fine, Thank you ( I find the door knob without taking my eyes off of her and slip out the door backwards.) Click. Then the sound of rapid footsteps and a car door opens and closes. The car is heard laying rubber half way down the street. The end. Easiest bet I've ever won. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I still would like to know what upset you about my post. I wasn't upset by it, Curtis. Mildly disappointed, but not surprised, that you hadn't changed, as I said to start with. OK, Curtis, let's go over it again. Let's see whether you can actually address what I've already said. I'm betting you won't: My meta comment on my feelings about the value of our previous postings was meant as a positive . Rick had it right. Note that what Rick said was that he thought you had paid me a compliment. You say he had it right. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you're interested in knowing why, I'll tell you, but I suspect you're not. I was surprised when you reacted so strongly to my message. It was not meant to offend you, quite the opposite. Here's what you wrote: Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an important experience for me. There were times when I felt misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was the reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for me to articulate my thoughts about the movement in such detail, and it never would have happened without me being so pissed off at your messages. Please explain the basis on which you believe I should have taken this as a sincere compliment. You didn't respond. If it's so obvious that it was a compliment, as Rick said and you confirmed, why couldn't you just explain what the compliment was? Perhaps this version will make more sense: The reason I kept posting was because of you. Posting was a good thing for me. Got it? So where's the compliment? How is that some kind of attempt at reconciliation, as Shemp claims? (You said this over and over again back on alt.m.t, of course, so there's nothing new here.) Next, let's restore what I was responding to that you go on to quote: I thought you could relate to what I was saying. It must have been frustrating for you on AMT too, but I assumed you are happy you got your points across in the end. Does what you wrote that I quoted above describe my having gotten my points across? No. But if you had related to what I wrote in the way I expected, you might have thought Yes I got my points across also, even though the discussions were difficult. That was my expectation in writing it. That it would piss you off never crossed my mind. Why on *earth* should I have thought you were suggesting I got my points across? For that matter, why on earth should I imagine on the basis of our alt.m.t exchanges that I got my points across? The exact opposite was the case. My problem with you, Curtis, was (and is) your gross intellectual (and even factual) dishonesty. With people like you, it's never entirely clear whether they're *intending* to mislead and deceive, or whether they've done such a snow job on themselves that they genuinely believe their own misrepresentations. So I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt on that point. Excellent example of why it was so hard to continue posting on AMT. Ah, so it wasn't hard because I was getting my points across. It was hard because my posts were pissing you off. Of course, on alt.m.t, I didn't start calling you on your dishonesty for quite a while, until it had become blatantly obvious you had no intention of being straightforward. It didn't take as long here because it was so clear the old pattern was repeating itself. Very condescending and unfriendly. Starting a sentence with people like you is demeaning and rude. You have no reason to call me a liar and someone who has done a snowjob on themselves, That would be or, Curtis, not and. whatever that means, based on what I have posted here. Well, yes, I do, and this present exchange is a perfect example. It's also *exactly* the sort of thing you pulled repeatedly in our discussions on alt.m.t: sidestepping, shifting ground, never addressing the point. My problem with you, Curtis, was (and is) your gross intellectual (and even factual) dishonesty. I invite you to show me where I have been intellectually or
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip Excellent example of why it was so hard to continue posting on AMT. Ah, so it wasn't hard because I was getting my points across. It was hard because my posts were pissing you off. One more point. I think the real reason it was so hard for you to continue posting, and why my posts pissed you off, was that I wouldn't let you get away with anything. You had put together a nice little story for yourself as to why you had left the movement, but it was all vague generalities. When you were asked for specifics, you were unable to come up with anything that actually supported the generality. The story existed in a vacuum; it wasn't connected to reality, and it couldn't stand up to challenge. You had a tremendous investment in that story, and when you saw it being picked apart and shown to be without foundation, that was extremely threatening to you. You expended a tremendous amount of effort coming up with a huge bunch of rationalizations to prop the story up so you could continue to believe in it, at the same time standing on your head to avoid confronting the issue of how well it related to reality. I am *not* suggesting you didn't have perfectly good reasons to leave the movement, but that, for some reason, the real reasons were unpalatable and unsatisfying, hence the invented story (Lifton and suggestibility a la Joe Kellett and so on). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
Thanks Sal. but I still think you look a bit like Tucker. :) There goes the last bit of my street cred! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
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Thanks Sal.
but I still think you look a bit like Tucker. :)
There goes the last bit of my street cred!
Curtis:
I knew you only in passing when we were at MIU together ('75 to '79)
but I do remember your harmonica playing which was pretty impressive.
And you look good in your photograph...but, hey, I guess we can't say
that it's TM practise that's keeping you looking as young as you do,
eh? -):
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
Thanks for the note. I remember those Forest Academy talent shows
fondly. They helped me keep my harp chops up.
Kind words about looking young. My show is so physically demanding
that I have to train for it hard. Harp playing is probably some
obscure version of Pranayama!
Of course spending our MIU college years without a beer-bong hat on
couldn't have hurt!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Thanks Sal.
but I still think you look a bit like Tucker. :)
There goes the last bit of my street cred!
Curtis:
I knew you only in passing when we were at MIU together ('75 to '79)
but I do remember your harmonica playing which was pretty impressive.
And you look good in your photograph...but, hey, I guess we can't say
that it's TM practise that's keeping you looking as young as you do,
eh? -):
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
Curtis: were you the one, while you were at MIU, who went out with
that initiator from Alaska? I think she was the one who later on
went out with Steve Bernhardt...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the note. I remember those Forest Academy talent shows
fondly. They helped me keep my harp chops up.
Kind words about looking young. My show is so physically demanding
that I have to train for it hard. Harp playing is probably some
obscure version of Pranayama!
Of course spending our MIU college years without a beer-bong hat on
couldn't have hurt!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Thanks Sal.
but I still think you look a bit like Tucker. :)
There goes the last bit of my street cred!
Curtis:
I knew you only in passing when we were at MIU together ('75
to '79)
but I do remember your harmonica playing which was pretty
impressive.
And you look good in your photograph...but, hey, I guess we
can't say
that it's TM practise that's keeping you looking as young as you
do,
eh? -):
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This post got my attention: I suspect he's a person of extremes: from pro-TM fanatic to anti-TM fanatic, from buttoned-up bowtied executive type to grubby street musician... With my clean-cut picture on my Website, why would you describe me as grubby? Hi, Curtis. You can use my name, it's OK. Didn't mean to step on your vanity. Grubby was probably not the perfect choice of words as far as your appearance is concerned, but I had in mind more the, er, profession itself in contrast to your TM center chairman position. Good street musicians are worth their weight in gold as far as I'm concerned, and I personally prefer guys in T-shirts and jeans to guys in suits (especially with bowties, which someone said you used to wear, apparently in error), so it wasn't a personal comment so much as a point, again, about the contrast, which *is* pretty extreme. And now a word from Dr. Phil: Goodness only knows what he'll do if he gets tired of playing a bluesman. Will he ever feel free of the need to play a role, and play himself for a change? Having played Delta blues harp since I was 14 years old, performing my art is not a role. My blues show is a revival of a dying style of acoustic blues played in the open air. I'm sure performing your art is not a role. I was referring to your taking the role of street musician in a dying tradition as a framework for that performance. I guess this quote from your Web site from Tom Marshall is what sort of crystallized that impression: Seeing Curtis 'work the street' is an education in the history of music. Like witnessing a scene from a Vicksburg Mississippi train station, in the 1930's. It's a fine and honorable role, Curtis, but it *is* a role. I mean, just for one obvious thing, you're a white guy. The comment about my CD: that I sound like I was slightly holding back, was right on. Since I play all my instruments at once, and do not multi-track to correct errors, it is hard to go balls-out without having something go wrong somewhere on any given take. I play the pieces in the original weird guitar tunings, so keeping it all together is very difficult. So my first CD is a compromise from my live performance. I thought (and said) it was entirely possible your live performances were different. But never having seen you live, I could only comment on the recording. It is an honest snapshot of my music though, so if you don't dig it you wouldn't be wowed by my live show. But a note in a live show hangs in the air for only a second, so I can take more risks and push the emotional edge further. That seemed to be more in evidence with your harp playing on the CD, which are superb. I'm glad you're doing something you enjoy--and are clearly damn good at--and it certainly is a pleasure to encounter you again in that very positive context (which, you'll have to admit, is a lot different from that of our previous encounters on alt.m.t). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The comment by the person who felt my music was soulless is literally true. I have no soul. I think I said it sounds a *bit* soulless. I was comparing it to, say, John Lee Hooker, Lightnin' Hopkins (sp?), even Sonny Boy Williamson II. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
I just saw her last year. If you don't mind let's email on this
topic. I don't want to bring up someone's name publicly. Poor Steve!
I liked him a lot. He was so far ahead of his time on the movement
perspective. Sorry to see him go.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Curtis: were you the one, while you were at MIU, who went out with
that initiator from Alaska? I think she was the one who later on
went out with Steve Bernhardt...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Thanks for the note. I remember those Forest Academy talent shows
fondly. They helped me keep my harp chops up.
Kind words about looking young. My show is so physically demanding
that I have to train for it hard. Harp playing is probably some
obscure version of Pranayama!
Of course spending our MIU college years without a beer-bong hat on
couldn't have hurt!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Thanks Sal.
but I still think you look a bit like Tucker. :)
There goes the last bit of my street cred!
Curtis:
I knew you only in passing when we were at MIU together ('75
to '79)
but I do remember your harmonica playing which was pretty
impressive.
And you look good in your photograph...but, hey, I guess we
can't say
that it's TM practise that's keeping you looking as young as you
do,
eh? -):
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip This post got my attention: I suspect he's a person of extremes: from pro-TM fanatic to anti-TM fanatic, from buttoned-up bowtied executive type to grubby street musician... With my clean-cut picture on my Website, why would you describe me as grubby? Hi, Curtis. You can use my name, it's OK. Didn't mean to step on your vanity. Grubby was probably not the perfect choice of words as far as your appearance is concerned, but I had in mind more the, er, profession itself in contrast to your TM center chairman position. Good street musicians are worth their weight in gold as far as I'm concerned, and I personally prefer guys in T-shirts and jeans to guys in suits (especially with bowties, which someone said you used to wear, apparently in error), so it wasn't a personal comment so much as a point, again, about the contrast, which *is* pretty extreme. And now a word from Dr. Phil: Goodness only knows what he'll do if he gets tired of playing a bluesman. Will he ever feel free of the need to play a role, and play himself for a change? Having played Delta blues harp since I was 14 years old, performing my art is not a role. My blues show is a revival of a dying style of acoustic blues played in the open air. I'm sure performing your art is not a role. I was referring to your taking the role of street musician in a dying tradition as a framework for that performance. I guess this quote from your Web site from Tom Marshall is what sort of crystallized that impression: Seeing Curtis 'work the street' is an education in the history of music. Like witnessing a scene from a Vicksburg Mississippi train station, in the 1930's. It's a fine and honorable role, Curtis, but it *is* a role. I mean, just for one obvious thing, you're a white guy. What makes you think Curtis is a white guy? The comment about my CD: that I sound like I was slightly holding back, was right on. Since I play all my instruments at once, and do not multi-track to correct errors, it is hard to go balls-out without having something go wrong somewhere on any given take. I play the pieces in the original weird guitar tunings, so keeping it all together is very difficult. So my first CD is a compromise from my live performance. I thought (and said) it was entirely possible your live performances were different. But never having seen you live, I could only comment on the recording. It is an honest snapshot of my music though, so if you don't dig it you wouldn't be wowed by my live show. But a note in a live show hangs in the air for only a second, so I can take more risks and push the emotional edge further. That seemed to be more in evidence with your harp playing on the CD, which are superb. I'm glad you're doing something you enjoy--and are clearly damn good at--and it certainly is a pleasure to encounter you again in that very positive context (which, you'll have to admit, is a lot different from that of our previous encounters on alt.m.t). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip It's a fine and honorable role, Curtis, but it *is* a role. I mean, just for one obvious thing, you're a white guy. What makes you think Curtis is a white guy? http://www.curtisblues.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
If those excellent players are your standard you know your blues! To be fair you need to hear me play drunk since each of those players were legendary for playing toasted! Sonny Boy II is my favorite harp player. I like him much better than Little Walter. My harp style was influenced by Sonny Terry and John Mayall in the early days. I am an acoustic player, pre-Chicago, more like Sonny Boy I. Now I am on the Louis Armstrong program : You blows what you is! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The comment by the person who felt my music was soulless is literally true. I have no soul. I think I said it sounds a *bit* soulless. I was comparing it to, say, John Lee Hooker, Lightnin' Hopkins (sp?), even Sonny Boy Williamson II. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip It's a fine and honorable role, Curtis, but it *is* a role. I mean, just for one obvious thing, you're a white guy. What makes you think Curtis is a white guy? http://www.curtisblues.com/ Judy. It's a joke. Loosen up. I know what he looks like, I went to school with him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
We talking about Steve's ex here? How's she doing? What's she doing? --- curtisdeltablues wrote: I just saw her last year. If you don't mind let's email on this topic. I don't want to bring up someone's name publicly. Poor Steve! I liked him a lot. He was so far ahead of his time on the movement perspective. Sorry to see him go. --- shempmcgurk wrote: Curtis: were you the one, while you were at MIU, who went out with that initiator from Alaska? I think she was the one who later on went out with Steve Bernhardt... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We talking about Steve's ex here? ...not Steve's ex-wife, but someone who I thought went out with both Steve and Curtis (she's from Alaska originally...her Dad was some sort of pioneer type)... How's she doing? What's she doing? --- curtisdeltablues wrote: I just saw her last year. If you don't mind let's email on this topic. I don't want to bring up someone's name publicly. Poor Steve! I liked him a lot. He was so far ahead of his time on the movement perspective. Sorry to see him go. --- shempmcgurk wrote: Curtis: were you the one, while you were at MIU, who went out with that initiator from Alaska? I think she was the one who later on went out with Steve Bernhardt... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an important experience for me. There were times when I felt misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was the reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for me to articulate my thoughts about the movement in such detail, and it never would have happened without me being so pissed off at your messages. Since they are still on the Web, when I read some of our exchanges it makes me laugh. In fact your posts about me lately were a big reason I decided to drop in for a while. Of course this forum has gone way beyond anything I had to say back then. You guys know every good and bad detail of the movement from every possible angle. Most of you have now meditated over twice as long as I did! Anyone who gets into TM today has all the information they need to evaluate it online. The biggest downside for me in describing my objections to the movement, was that it was insulting to people who I did not want to hurt. That part sucked and ultimately was too high a price to continue to pay. Thanks for listening to my music. I appreciate your kind words about my harp playing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an important experience for me. There were times when I felt misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was the reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for me to articulate my thoughts about the movement in such detail, and it never would have happened without me being so pissed off at your messages. And with this analysis, it's apparent that you haven't changed a bit since then. Too bad. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We talking about Steve's ex here? How's she doing? What's she doing? Wasn't that Nancy such and such. Didn't she marry Tom Kirkendall. Does any one know how he, she, they are doing? lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
on 5/9/06 7:18 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an important experience for me. There were times when I felt misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was the reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for me to articulate my thoughts about the movement in such detail, and it never would have happened without me being so pissed off at your messages. And with this analysis, it's apparent that you haven't changed a bit since then. Have you? Too bad. What's bad about it? He was paying you a compliment. You were the grain of sand that stimulated the oyster to create a pearl. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
on 5/9/06 8:56 PM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We talking about Steve's ex here? How's she doing? What's she doing? Wasn't that Nancy such and such. Didn't she marry Tom Kirkendall. Does any one know how he, she, they are doing? Doing great last I heard. They're living in Nederland, Colorado (http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=mapq=Nederland,+CO), a little town in the mountains above Boulder. Nancy is a real estate broker; Tom a commodities trader. He has a season pass at the local ski area and goes skiing after work every day. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/9/06 7:18 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an important experience for me. There were times when I felt misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was the reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for me to articulate my thoughts about the movement in such detail, and it never would have happened without me being so pissed off at your messages. And with this analysis, it's apparent that you haven't changed a bit since then. Have you? Not in my lack of tolerance for dishonesty, no (including factual dishonesty, intellectual dishonesty, and lying to oneself). Too bad. What's bad about it? He was paying you a compliment. I don't think you're quite so green as you are grassy-looking, Rick. You were the grain of sand that stimulated the oyster to create a pearl. He's certainly convinced himself that a pearl is what he ended up with. But then he was sure he'd found a pearl in TM, wasn't he? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
on 5/9/06 9:44 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's certainly convinced himself that a pearl is what he ended up with. But then he was sure he'd found a pearl in TM, wasn't he? Probably he had. Then he found one in abandoning it. He seemed to be saying that he found value in his discussions with you, and I inferred he was thanking you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
Yup. Thanks Rick. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/9/06 9:44 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's certainly convinced himself that a pearl is what he ended up with. But then he was sure he'd found a pearl in TM, wasn't he? Probably he had. Then he found one in abandoning it. He seemed to be saying that he found value in his discussions with you, and I inferred he was thanking you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/9/06 9:44 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's certainly convinced himself that a pearl is what he ended up with. But then he was sure he'd found a pearl in TM, wasn't he? Probably he had. Then he found one in abandoning it. He seemed to be saying that he found value in his discussions with you, and I inferred he was thanking you. Curtis is, shall we say, a master of the backhand. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/9/06 7:18 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And with this analysis, it's apparent that you haven't changed a bit since then. Have you? Too bad. What's bad about it? He was paying you a compliment. You were the grain of sand that stimulated the oyster to create a pearl. This one has me scratching my head too. Not sure how you find malicious intent in Curtis's post, but you know the MMY saying about thorns. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 5/9/06 7:18 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: And with this analysis, it's apparent that you haven't changed a bit since then. Have you? Too bad. What's bad about it? He was paying you a compliment. You were the grain of sand that stimulated the oyster to create a pearl. This one has me scratching my head too. Not sure how you find malicious intent in Curtis's post, but you know the MMY saying about thorns. This is really very funny. Curtis knew I'd get the snark in his post, while others would miss it completely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis
Judy, You are giving me too much credit in two ways. Too much credit for being clever. Too much credit for being an asshole. I will post more tomorrow but this sums it up. Snarky is a fantastic word, and anytime snarky is used, John Stewart and Steven Colbert get a boner. Snarky is the new UC! Curtis --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 5/9/06 7:18 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: And with this analysis, it's apparent that you haven't changed a bit since then. Have you? Too bad. What's bad about it? He was paying you a compliment. You were the grain of sand that stimulated the oyster to create a pearl. This one has me scratching my head too. Not sure how you find malicious intent in Curtis's post, but you know the MMY saying about thorns. This is really very funny. Curtis knew I'd get the snark in his post, while others would miss it completely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
