Re: coughing
I saw that instrument on a search for giving cats pills Dorothy. I agree about the liquid stuff. It can't help but stick in their throats and drive them nuts if they hate it. I wish they made every medication in a trans dermal form. My old guy enjoys having his thyroid medication massaged into his ear. That's a hoot about Armond spitting in your face. I've only been sneezed in the face. I'd be dead by now if this disease were transmittable to humans. He's sneezed in my face on a few occasions. My fault though. I probably shouldn't be kissing his little nose as much as I do. Lynne - Original Message - From: Dorothy Noble To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: Re: coughing Sorry, just kind of joined the discussion on pills...I have always used a pill gun - I got mine from the vet. (It cost me $5.00 and has truly been a lifesaver.) Sorry if I am duplicating other's suggestions... My cats would NEVER eat anything with a pill in it. The pill gun is like a syringe-type thing and you just put it to the back of the throat - and your fingers are safe. If you are worried about them taking the pill dry, you can then follow with a syri nge of water or broth. It was the only way I could ever get Aggie to take a pill (my diabetic cat who died of cancer 2 months ago). It is so much easier than trying to get them to take something nasty from a dropper - like Clinidrops (Clindrops?) That is so bitter and the only reason I tasted it was because Armond actually spit it in my face. I wouldn't take it either without a fight! Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I didn't realize he was a flat-faced cat. New thought. There are little bowls chefs use for various ingredients before they mix and cook. I am struggling to find a name. They are shallow but the sides slope gently. They are really neat for cats and might help keep the food from spreading. It doesn't sound gross either. I'll work on the name but they aren't that difficult to find and, like I said, keep the food from spreading. Consider raising the bowl. Dixie has a little table that raises her bowl maybe 4 inches. She really doesn't need it but I started raising bowls when Kitty started having reflux problems due to pancreas cancer. It really helped her so all my inside critters have raised food bowls. Kitty could hide pills. I could put them so far back in her throat, watch her swallow several times, then find the pill on the floor in a few minutes. They are amazing. And totally worth all we do in their behalf. On Feb 23, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Lynne wrote: Marylyn, when we feed BooBoo it's necessary for at least one of us, more often both of us to sit on either side of him and disgusting as it sounds, push his food by finger into the centre. With his little flat face it's hard for him to to eat anything that is spread out. That's when he starts his snorting. We watch that piece of food with the drug in it until we see him eat it and go on to the next piece. I can't believe some of the stupid things we do for him. I did taste the liquid Doxy that is supposed to be grilled chicken flavored. It isn't bad but he hates it. I'd rather do the pill. I have never had a problem with our other cat. He' s always been a big boy so I would just sit him on my lap and do the job. He doesn't fight like Boo does. We're trying to keep his life as stress free as possible. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: Re: coughing Good job. Kitty acted like she swallowed pills--I found them days and weeks after she left this world. Cats are very sneaky. I suspect that hiding the pill or coating it will make it better. I've tasted various meds for mine what were supposed to be neutral. They were awful. Frankly, I can't remember wha Lasix tastes like. It sounds like the cat nip worked and it may be your answer. On Feb 23, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Lynne wrote: I'll look into the Feliway and the rescue remedy. We managed to get several catnip sprigs from outside and BooBoo went nuts over it. We had him out in the patio for fresh air and he didn't want to come in. I couldn't handle the cold any longer. He and Lennie sat only a foot or so from each other enjoying their nip and Boo who is a sucky cat held his ground and when I put Len on my lap he just stared and stared at him. Then he did his rip away at the bottom stair and is upstairs eating again. He loves life I think and has no intention of leaving. I gave him his last dose of Lasix today by putting it in a piece of salmon. Since he was so hungry he didn't notice it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleuke
Pill gun
Just wanted to add something that might help everyone with pill issues, that need a pill gun and can't find one. I have always made my own...at the time, they didn't make them commercially...or I didn't know of any available... If you have access to a plastic 3cc syringe, cut the end that connects to a needle off by scoring it around the base with a sharp knife. Just continue to go around it with the knife until the end comes off. (If you have a very sharp pipe cutter this will work as well). Then use an emery board (first with the rough side and then with the smooth side) until all rough edges are removed so as not to damage your cat's throat with a burr on the end of the syringe. I then use black electrical tape to wrap around the plunger next to (below) the thumb tab. Make several wraps. This keeps the rubber plunger from going outside the syringe case past where you cut it off. You don't want your cat swallowing the rubber plunger if it goes past the end of the newly cut syringe. Ta-Da...you now have a pill gun! You can load the pill in the end and can also add a bit of broth or water so that the pill goes down smoothly. If you use it with just the pill, you can put a bit of broth or water (no more that 1cc) down your cat to help them with a second swallow which will help eliminate the pill being found under the couch while you are watching the 11 o'clock news the next evening. Hope this helps. Karen
Re: Pill gun
I have easy access to those Karen. Will give it a try. Lynne - Original Message - From: Karen Griffith To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:51 AM Subject: Pill gun Just wanted to add something that might help everyone with pill issues, that need a pill gun and can't find one. I have always made my own...at the time, they didn't make them commercially...or I didn't know of any available... If you have access to a plastic 3cc syringe, cut the end that connects to a needle off by scoring it around the base with a sharp knife. Just continue to go around it with the knife until the end comes off. (If you have a very sharp pipe cutter this will work as well). Then use an emery board (first with the rough side and then with the smooth side) until all rough edges are removed so as not to damage your cat's throat with a burr on the end of the syringe. I then use black electrical tape to wrap around the plunger next to (below) the thumb tab. Make several wraps. This keeps the rubber plunger from going outside the syringe case past where you cut it off. You don't want your cat swallowing the rubber plunger if it goes past the end of the newly cut syringe. Ta-Da...you now have a pill gun! You can load the pill in the end and can also add a bit of broth or water so that the pill goes down smoothly. If you use it with just the pill, you can put a bit of broth or water (no more that 1cc) down your cat to help them with a second swallow which will help eliminate the pill being found under the couch while you are watching the 11 o'clock news the next evening. Hope this helps. Karen
another aspiration
Well my BooBoo is at the vets. There is a different guy on today but our regular vet called while Boo was being examined, apparently worried about him and giving advice to this new fellow. He has to have more fluid removed but this vet said his heart beat was very audible today so it isn't as bad as the last time. I guess this is what we'll be doing from here on when he appears to be having difficulty breathing. Being on Lasix long term is not an option due to dehydration. The vet showed us his gums and how when he pushed on them they turned pink which according to him is a good sign. For some reason I thought he only had 16 cc of fluid removed last time but it was 65 cc an awful lot for a little guy. He enjoyed the drive there this morning. We didn't put him in his cat taxi, just let him sit in the back seat of the van. He has to stay there for an hour or so to be monitored, which of course worries me. Last time when Dr. Gill did this he got to come home immediately. I need to call my dad today and ask for money. This is kind of breaking the bank here. I know he will be more than happy to contribute to the "BooBoo leukemia fund" and he can certainly afford it. Have a wonderful Sunday folks, you and your babies. Lynne
another 75 cc
Well we're home again. BooBoo had another 75ccs taken out of his lungs today. Not only did his regular vet come in to see him, a third vet was there. BooBoo has become quite the celebrity. They're now sending a sample for culturing and cytology to see if there are any cancer cells present. Nothing is going well for us. However, when he got home he ate a big lunch and we put him to bed with the window open for fresh air and he was purring like crazy. He's now on another antibiotic and will continue on the lasix for another week. Both the vets kissed him on top of his little head before we left. This third vet was very kind, the other two are as well but this one told us lets see what we're dealing with when the cytology report comes back and we'll go from there. He didn't dismiss the interferon but said we're basically doing palliative care here and our goal is to keep him comfortable. The fluid aspiration seems to help but it will continue. All three of these vets are East Indian and lovely caring men but I hate to admit that when they are giving details of what is going on I have a bit of a problem with the accents. He said something about protein spilling and I couldn't understand the rest. Of course I am always kind of overwhelmed with sadness I don't grasp the whole picture. On an up side, Bob mentioned on the way home that he doesn't even care about the money part of this. He thinks these 3 vets are becoming more educated in the care of these animals and he doesn't mind at all paying for something that may benefit another cat in the future. I guess that's a good thing too. Lynne
Re: another 75 cc
Bob sounds like a wonderful husband for an animal lover/rescuer! Lucky BooBoo to have you both...and THREE docs! I almost hate to ask this...could this be FIP? Has anyone mentioned that? My friend's cat had FIP and she had to take him about once a week to have his lungs drained. Pls keep us posted. The good news is he does not seem to be in distress or pain. That is a blessing in this otherwise difficult time. Prayers continuing. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: another 75 cc Well we're home again. BooBoo had another 75ccs taken out of his lungs today. Not only did his regular vet come in to see him, a third vet was there. BooBoo has become quite the celebrity. They're now sending a sample for culturing and cytology to see if there are any cancer cells present. Nothing is going well for us. However, when he got home he ate a big lunch and we put him to bed with the window open for fresh air and he was purring like crazy. He's now on another antibiotic and will continue on the lasix for another week. Both the vets kissed him on top of his little head before we left. This third vet was very kind, the other two are as well but this one told us lets see what we're dealing with when the cytology report comes back and we'll go from there. He didn't dismiss the interferon but said we're basically doing palliative care here and our goal is to keep him comfortable. The fluid aspiration seems to help but it will continue. All three of these vets are East Indian and lovely caring men but I hate to admit that when they are giving details of what is going on I have a bit of a problem with the accents. He said something about protein spilling and I couldn't understand the rest. Of course I am always kind of overwhelmed with sadness I don't grasp the whole picture. On an up side, Bob mentioned on the way home that he doesn't even care about the money part of this. He thinks these 3 vets are becoming more educated in the care of these animals and he doesn't mind at all paying for something that may benefit another cat in the future. I guess that's a good thing too. Lynne
Re: another 75 cc
Yes Laurie, Bob is a wonderful guy. He's a pretty easy going person but has shed tears over this too. I don't even know about FIP. All I know is they did a blood test first time they saw him and said he was positive for feline leukemia. I'll read up on it. The vets told us this morning that he is a very brave little guy. He doesn't even flinch at the vets. They can do anything they want to him and he doesn't fight them, just me when it comes to giving pills. We were given a demonstration of how to do it and the vet had us give him his antibiotic. Nothin to it. Apparently he is not suffering. I took him upstairs when we got home and he ran downstairs after us wanting to eat down here, then he did his stair scratching thing and went back up, like nothing happened today. I wish some of our whiney hypochondriac patients could take a lesson from him. I'm in a miserable mood today. I shouldn't have said that but I do mean it. Funny thing is the draining tprocedure is the cheapest part of the treatment. I could live with that. Unfortunately we needed the drugs today and got them there. Otherwise I can get this stuff for peanuts at the pharmacy across the hall at work. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: another 75 cc Bob sounds like a wonderful husband for an animal lover/rescuer! Lucky BooBoo to have you both...and THREE docs! I almost hate to ask this...could this be FIP? Has anyone mentioned that? My friend's cat had FIP and she had to take him about once a week to have his lungs drained. Pls keep us posted. The good news is he does not seem to be in distress or pain. That is a blessing in this otherwise difficult time. Prayers continuing. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: another 75 cc Well we're home again. BooBoo had another 75ccs taken out of his lungs today. Not only did his regular vet come in to see him, a third vet was there. BooBoo has become quite the celebrity. They're now sending a sample for culturing and cytology to see if there are any cancer cells present. Nothing is going well for us. However, when he got home he ate a big lunch and we put him to bed with the window open for fresh air and he was purring like crazy. He's now on another antibiotic and will continue on the lasix for another week. Both the vets kissed him on top of his little head before we left. This third vet was very kind, the other two are as well but this one told us lets see what we're dealing with when the cytology report comes back and we'll go from there. He didn't dismiss the interferon but said we're basically doing palliative care here and our goal is to keep him comfortable. The fluid aspiration seems to help but it will continue. All three of these vets are East Indian and lovely caring men but I hate to admit that when they are giving details of what is going on I have a bit of a problem with the accents. He said something about protein spilling and I couldn't understand the rest. Of course I am always kind of overwhelmed with sadness I don't grasp the whole picture. On an up side, Bob mentioned on the way home that he doesn't even care about the money part of this. He thinks these 3 vets are becoming more educated in the care of these animals and he doesn't mind at all paying for something that may benefit another cat in the future. I guess that's a good thing too. Lynne
Re: another 75 cc
I found an article about FIP. Yep, it sounds like he has that too. At this point Laurie I doubt it matters. The vet said we are giving him palliative care until we can do no more to help him. The other 19 year old and BooBoo have no contact with one another. Lennie lives downstairs and has no desire anymore to go upstairs and BooBoo lives upstairs by choice. So I'm not concerned about him being contageous no matter what he has. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: Re: another 75 cc If FIP, it can be contagious. I'd ask about it. He may not have other consistent symptoms. Being a nurse is exhausting...even more so when you love the patient. - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:49 PM Subject: Re: another 75 cc Yes Laurie, Bob is a wonderful guy. He's a pretty easy going person but has shed tears over this too. I don't even know about FIP. All I know is they did a blood test first time they saw him and said he was positive for feline leukemia. I'll read up on it. The vets told us this morning that he is a very brave little guy. He doesn't even flinch at the vets. They can do anything they want to him and he doesn't fight them, just me when it comes to giving pills. We were given a demonstration of how to do it and the vet had us give him his antibiotic. Nothin to it. Apparently he is not suffering. I took him upstairs when we got home and he ran downstairs after us wanting to eat down here, then he did his stair scratching thing and went back up, like nothing happened today. I wish some of our whiney hypochondriac patients could take a lesson from him. I'm in a miserable mood today. I shouldn't have said that but I do mean it. Funny thing is the draining tprocedure is the cheapest part of the treatment. I could live with that. Unfortunately we needed the drugs today and got them there. Otherwise I can get this stuff for peanuts at the pharmacy across the hall at work. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: another 75 cc Bob sounds like a wonderful husband for an animal lover/rescuer! Lucky BooBoo to have you both...and THREE docs! I almost hate to ask this...could this be FIP? Has anyone mentioned that? My friend's cat had FIP and she had to take him about once a week to have his lungs drained. Pls keep us posted. The good news is he does not seem to be in distress or pain. That is a blessing in this otherwise difficult time. Prayers continuing. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: another 75 cc Well we're home again. BooBoo had another 75ccs taken out of his lungs today. Not only did his regular vet come in to see him, a third vet was there. BooBoo has become quite the celebrity. They're now sending a sample for culturing and cytology to see if there are any cancer cells present. Nothing is going well for us. However, when he got home he ate a big lunch and we put him to bed with the window open for fresh air and he was purring like crazy. He's now on another antibiotic and will continue on the lasix for another week. Both the vets kissed him on top of his little head before we left. This third vet was very kind, the other two are as well but this one told us lets see what we're dealing with when the cytology report comes back and we'll go from there. He didn't dismiss the interferon but said we're basically doing palliative care here and our goal is to keep him comfortable. The fluid aspiration seems to help but it will continue. All three of these vets are East Indian and lovely caring men but I hate to admit that when they are giving details of what is going on I have a bit of a problem with the accents. He said something about protein spilling and I couldn't understand the rest. Of course I am always kind of overwhelmed with sadness I don't grasp the whole picture. On an up side, Bob mentioned on the way home that he doesn't even care about the money part of this. He thinks these 3 vets are becoming more educated in the care of these animals and he doesn't mind at all paying for something that may benefit another cat in the future. I guess that's a good thing too. Lynne
Re: another 75 cc
If FIP, it can be contagious. I'd ask about it. He may not have other consistent symptoms. Being a nurse is exhausting...even more so when you love the patient. - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:49 PM Subject: Re: another 75 cc Yes Laurie, Bob is a wonderful guy. He's a pretty easy going person but has shed tears over this too. I don't even know about FIP. All I know is they did a blood test first time they saw him and said he was positive for feline leukemia. I'll read up on it. The vets told us this morning that he is a very brave little guy. He doesn't even flinch at the vets. They can do anything they want to him and he doesn't fight them, just me when it comes to giving pills. We were given a demonstration of how to do it and the vet had us give him his antibiotic. Nothin to it. Apparently he is not suffering. I took him upstairs when we got home and he ran downstairs after us wanting to eat down here, then he did his stair scratching thing and went back up, like nothing happened today. I wish some of our whiney hypochondriac patients could take a lesson from him. I'm in a miserable mood today. I shouldn't have said that but I do mean it. Funny thing is the draining tprocedure is the cheapest part of the treatment. I could live with that. Unfortunately we needed the drugs today and got them there. Otherwise I can get this stuff for peanuts at the pharmacy across the hall at work. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: another 75 cc Bob sounds like a wonderful husband for an animal lover/rescuer! Lucky BooBoo to have you both...and THREE docs! I almost hate to ask this...could this be FIP? Has anyone mentioned that? My friend's cat had FIP and she had to take him about once a week to have his lungs drained. Pls keep us posted. The good news is he does not seem to be in distress or pain. That is a blessing in this otherwise difficult time. Prayers continuing. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: another 75 cc Well we're home again. BooBoo had another 75ccs taken out of his lungs today. Not only did his regular vet come in to see him, a third vet was there. BooBoo has become quite the celebrity. They're now sending a sample for culturing and cytology to see if there are any cancer cells present. Nothing is going well for us. However, when he got home he ate a big lunch and we put him to bed with the window open for fresh air and he was purring like crazy. He's now on another antibiotic and will continue on the lasix for another week. Both the vets kissed him on top of his little head before we left. This third vet was very kind, the other two are as well but this one told us lets see what we're dealing with when the cytology report comes back and we'll go from there. He didn't dismiss the interferon but said we're basically doing palliative care here and our goal is to keep him comfortable. The fluid aspiration seems to help but it will continue. All three of these vets are East Indian and lovely caring men but I hate to admit that when they are giving details of what is going on I have a bit of a problem with the accents. He said something about protein spilling and I couldn't understand the rest. Of course I am always kind of overwhelmed with sadness I don't grasp the whole picture. On an up side, Bob mentioned on the way home that he doesn't even care about the money part of this. He thinks these 3 vets are becoming more educated in the care of these animals and he doesn't mind at all paying for something that may benefit another cat in the future. I guess that's a good thing too. Lynne
Re: another 75 cc
ok. I'd just recommend handwashing when leaving BooBoo. I hope it isn't FIP. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: Re: another 75 cc I found an article about FIP. Yep, it sounds like he has that too. At this point Laurie I doubt it matters. The vet said we are giving him palliative care until we can do no more to help him. The other 19 year old and BooBoo have no contact with one another. Lennie lives downstairs and has no desire anymore to go upstairs and BooBoo lives upstairs by choice. So I'm not concerned about him being contageous no matter what he has. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: Re: another 75 cc If FIP, it can be contagious. I'd ask about it. He may not have other consistent symptoms. Being a nurse is exhausting...even more so when you love the patient. - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:49 PM Subject: Re: another 75 cc Yes Laurie, Bob is a wonderful guy. He's a pretty easy going person but has shed tears over this too. I don't even know about FIP. All I know is they did a blood test first time they saw him and said he was positive for feline leukemia. I'll read up on it. The vets told us this morning that he is a very brave little guy. He doesn't even flinch at the vets. They can do anything they want to him and he doesn't fight them, just me when it comes to giving pills. We were given a demonstration of how to do it and the vet had us give him his antibiotic. Nothin to it. Apparently he is not suffering. I took him upstairs when we got home and he ran downstairs after us wanting to eat down here, then he did his stair scratching thing and went back up, like nothing happened today. I wish some of our whiney hypochondriac patients could take a lesson from him. I'm in a miserable mood today. I shouldn't have said that but I do mean it. Funny thing is the draining tprocedure is the cheapest part of the treatment. I could live with that. Unfortunately we needed the drugs today and got them there. Otherwise I can get this stuff for peanuts at the pharmacy across the hall at work. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: another 75 cc Bob sounds like a wonderful husband for an animal lover/rescuer! Lucky BooBoo to have you both...and THREE docs! I almost hate to ask this...could this be FIP? Has anyone mentioned that? My friend's cat had FIP and she had to take him about once a week to have his lungs drained. Pls keep us posted. The good news is he does not seem to be in distress or pain. That is a blessing in this otherwise difficult time. Prayers continuing. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: another 75 cc Well we're home again. BooBoo had another 75ccs taken out of his lungs today. Not only did his regular vet come in to see him, a third vet was there. BooBoo has become quite the celebrity. They're now sending a sample for culturing and cytology to see if there are any cancer cells present. Nothing is going well for us. However, when he got home he ate a big lunch and we put him to bed with the window open for fresh air and he was purring like crazy. He's now on another antibiotic and will continue on the lasix for another week. Both the vets kissed him on top of his little head before we left. This third vet was very kind, the other two are as well but this one told us lets see what we're dealing with when the cytology report comes back and we'll go from there. He didn't dismiss the interferon but said we're basically doing palliative care here and our goal is to keep him comfortable. The fluid aspiration seems to help but it will continue. All three of these vets are East Indian and lovely caring men but I hate to admit that when they are giving details of what is going on I have a bit of a problem with the accents. He said something about protein spilling and I couldn't understand the rest. Of course I am always kind of overwhelmed with sadness I don't grasp the whole picture. On an up side, Bob mentioned on the way home that he doesn't even care about the money part of this. He thinks these 3 vets are becoming more educated in the care of these animals and he doesn't mind at all paying for something that may benefit another cat in the future. I guess that's a good thing too. Lynne
new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi,This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving.One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected).She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine.Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted.ThanksEl _
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
Blessings to you for caring for the little ones. Others on the list can give you better advise than I but I am going to put my two cents in. I try to give colostrum to any stressed cat that I feed..my Mom has several ferals/throw-aways/strays who come regularly for food. I add brewer's yeast and whatever supplements I can to the wet food they get. Dixie, my FeLV+ cat who is extremely healthy and happy and has been for the three years she has graced me with her presence, gets interferon to help with her teeth. None of us (her regular vets or her holistic vets) know whether the FeLV or miserable diet as a throw-away caused the problems but the interferon + PetzLife Brush Away + a very high quality, no grain diet with lots of veggies (finely chopped or baby food) have that problem under control. Probiotics are great. The cats are stressed and I use Feliway spray and Cat Nap to calm cats when I need to. Most of Mom's can't be touched, much less handled. Occasionally I have to live trap them and Feliway seems to help as does Rescue Remedy, Cat Nap is new to my tool box but I have seen it work with Dixie and other cats. Provide them with places to hide and feel safe. Spraying the bedding and yourself will help. The other cats in the house may benefit from RR in their water. The addition of the lovely little ones has to be stressful for them too. They really know much more than we give them credit for. Personally, I would check with a holistic vet as a companion, not replacement, for regular vet care. When my very wonderful regular vets told me Dixie tested positive and after we decided what to do with her (long story but she could not be released as planned because of the FeLV) I took her to see a holistic vet. Again, as a companion, not a substitute. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El --
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
Hi El, Thank you for taking in those severely neglected cats. I cannot believe (though that's a figure of speech) that the FeLV+ girl was in such horrible shape, coming from a "shelter." You have given all of them a new lease on life. I'm always grateful that there are people like you out there, and you'll find like-minded souls here. There is support on the list for colostrum and a similar product called Transfer Factor. I'm currently using neither on my FeLV+ girl, but you will probably get responses from people using one or the other. If you're using a specific brand, see if they have a web site with information on dose strength. Or, you might call and consult with a holistic or homeopathic vet in your area. They usually have good ideas about these types of supplements. Interferon? Yes! Interferon alpha is very affordable, and most vets should have the ability to get it for you. My cat is on a 5 days on/5 days off regimen. I also highly recommend Vetri-Science's Liquid DMG product. One bottle costs in the $30-35 range and lasts my cat for three months, easily. She is asymptomatic, and it's possible that the DMG and interferon are helping her to stay that way. FInally, I think giving these cats lots of love, play-time and a stress-free environment goes a long way toward helping them have fewer or no symptoms. Best, Lance On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El --
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
It is so hard. I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie. If you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel free. Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him. The time may be long or short but it is a very special time for you all. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote: The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day, however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
Thanl you Marylyn. I sometimes feel I am being a big whiner here. So many of you have dealt with far worse issues than I have and I do need to give my self a reality check and just get on with the living part. At this very point in time I simply cannot envision not having him around. I know this will not have a happy ending but I will do everything I can to make his life peaceful and enjoyable. We both just love him to pieces. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli It is so hard. I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie. If you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel free. Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him. The time may be long or short but it is a very special time for you all. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote: The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day, however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it a
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
We start dying the minute we are born. I learned this very hard lesson from the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Dixie re-enforces it. Maybe it is your turn to learn. Cats are wonderful teachers. On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanl you Marylyn. I sometimes feel I am being a big whiner here. So many of you have dealt with far worse issues than I have and I do need to give my self a reality check and just get on with the living part. At this very point in time I simply cannot envision not having him around. I know this will not have a happy ending but I will do everything I can to make his life peaceful and enjoyable. We both just love him to pieces. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli It is so hard. I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie. If you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel free. Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him. The time may be long or short but it is a very special time for you all. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote: The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day, however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
it sounds awful until you think about it, but sometimes the very best thing we can do--for anyone and anything--is just love them to death. may be hours, may be decades. but pure love never hurts the giver or the recipient. as marylyn says, they come to teach us what we need to learn--and they come to us because they know that there is something that ONLY WE CAN GIVE THEM to continue their journey. you're in each others' lives for a reason MC On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We start dying the minute we are born. I learned this very hard lesson > from the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Dixie re-enforces it. Maybe it is > your turn to learn. Cats are wonderful teachers. > > On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Lynne wrote: > > Thanl you Marylyn. I sometimes feel I am being a big whiner here. So > many of you have dealt with far worse issues than I have and I do need to > give my self a reality check and just get on with the living part. At this > very point in time I simply cannot envision not having him around. I know > this will not have a happy ending but I will do everything I can to make his > life peaceful and enjoyable. We both just love him to pieces. > > - Original Message - > *From:* Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:05 PM > *Subject:* Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli > > It is so hard. I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie. If you > need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel > free. Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other > very understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all > the wonderful time you have with him. The time may be long or short but it > is a very special time for you all. > On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote: > > The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology > report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband > it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy > is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from > both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. > That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of > his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to > see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have > accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day, however. We did raise his > dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more > comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh > every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to > make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. > > Lynne > > - Original Message - > *From:* Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM > *Subject:* Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli > > Lynne, > Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different > ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. > On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: > > El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be > receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. > It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals > that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be > an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her > diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do > for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of > course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need > to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it > has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would > definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry > I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these > animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. > > Best of luck > Lynne > > - Original Message - > *From:* whocares whocares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM > *Subject:* new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli > > To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], > This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through > email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I > took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific > shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, > ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make > it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. > Some
