Angela and Midnight
Angela, My heart goes out to you. I am so sorry for your loss of Midnight, for you and your family. Now, we must all hope for the best for your other kitties. I can imagine how scared you are for them. You maybe should believe this virus, I'm believing FeLV, came from a source more recently, that only affected Midnight. Remember too, all the reports of how healthy cats, if exposed, can throw the virus...If your other cats were vaccinated your chances are very good everyone will be all right. The vaccine is open to debate though and thought to be 75%-85% effective...I had read where the more recent improved vaccines are a bit better yet. Now is when people that have been in this a long time and are very active and experienced with cats need to tell come to your aid. Myself, I am still learning every day here. I am confused as to what is the better circumstance to be in, having a kitty that contracted the FeLV virus through the mother or having a kitten or adult cat just exposed to the virus? I do know the adult cats have a better chance of throwing the virus, than an exposed kitten. What really got me confused is my vet acted rather hopeful about kittens that contracted the FeLV virus through the mother. Like there is a good chance to kick it... I think throwing FIV coming through the mom is a lot easier than FeLV coming through the mom. Maybe she got the two confused? Then I see people saying,with just exposure there is a good chance of defeating the virus...Anyway, no matter what, there is always hope...I think we all live on hope every day to get us through to the next day. Your letter really moved me. It was short, but so laced with your pain...I know we all know that awful feeling...You will find a lot of very loving and helpful people here... Be strong! Glenda Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
Find an animal communicator and ask Midnight his opinion. After all, wouldn't you want to be consulted? I'm not being flip and I truly understand your confusion and pain. I've been there too many times as has most people on this list. If you can't/don't find an ac find a very quiet room and sit there with Midnight with no distractions just heart talk. You can talk to him yourself. It is just that you are going to be very unsure of your answers given the newness of Midnight in your life and the seriousness of the issues. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down? Did your vet do bloodwork? What were the results? And do you truly trust this vet? Is Midnight eating, responding to petting? How much water is he drinking? Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer
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heart talk -- I've never heard a better description. Thank you for giving me new language to describe something I know only intuitively. Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Find an animal communicator and ask Midnight his opinion. After all, wouldn't you want to be consulted? I'm not being flip and I truly understand your confusion and pain. I've been there too many times as has most people on this list. If you can't/don't find an ac find a very quiet room and sit there with Midnight with no distractions just heart talk. You can talk to him yourself. It is just that you are going to be very unsure of your answers given the newness of Midnight in your life and the seriousness of the issues. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down? Did your vet do bloodwork? What were the results? And do you truly trust this vet? Is Midnight eating, responding to petting? How much water is he drinking? Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer
Vet wants to put Midnight down?
My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
Did your vet do bloodwork? What were the results? And do you truly trust this vet? Is Midnight eating, responding to petting? How much water is he drinking? Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
I would be wary of this diagnosis unless he has done a LOT of tests. I have two that are peeing everywhere and it is strictly behavioral. They are on Elavil, which helps a lot with the spraying. On 3/26/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did your vet do bloodwork? What were the results? And do you truly trust this vet? Is Midnight eating, responding to petting? How much water is he drinking? *Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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At 10:56 AM 3/26/2007, you wrote: No No No Please rethink, my kitty in CRF did pee all over, he was getting so much fluids, and he was an old tomif he is eating and comfortable and happy...He made need to have is roaming area curtailed, but there are s many options, If the PTS is for convenience so there is no pee on the floor that is a different issue, but it sounds like a convenient thing rather than health thing, my CRF cat was happy for 3 years after diagnosis, How can we help?? Kelly My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007
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Jennifer, I have a CRF kitty who will be 18 in June. She pees A LOT. Is Midnight peeing a lot? Is he drinking a lot? Do you have his kidney values? What are they? I would ask a lot of questions before you pts. Julie has been CRF for over a year, and she really isn't being treated for it because we're treating her for hyperT, and besides, I don't think there's a lot you can do for CRF other than diet. Someone please correct me here if I'm wrong. Julie is happy and purring and enjoying life even though she goes to the bathroom a lot and we go through litter like water. I have to keep her box really clean or she will go elsewhere, and sometimes still does, but not often. How old is this boy? Renal failure usually happens to CRF kitties who are elderly, or to cats who are sick from something else that's shutting down their organs. Which does Midnight fall under? :) Wendy --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:56 AM 3/26/2007, you wrote: No No No Please rethink, my kitty in CRF did pee all over, he was getting so much fluids, and he was an old tomif he is eating and comfortable and happy...He made need to have is roaming area curtailed, but there are s many options, If the PTS is for convenience so there is no pee on the floor that is a different issue, but it sounds like a convenient thing rather than health thing, my CRF cat was happy for 3 years after diagnosis, How can we help?? Kelly My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
The vet did do some blood work. I do not know the exact numbers, but I do know that after 3 rounds of antibiotics, the wbc in his urine are extremely high (those are the drs words). I do trust Dr Proctor. He is a great doc and a cot lover too :) Midnight is eating, less but eating. He always wants to be held. I have not been measuring his water but he does drink. I guess I should measure it. I do know that over the last 3 to 4 days, I have not filled the bowl as often. Susan Hoffman wrote: Did your vet do bloodwork? What were the results? And do you truly trust this vet? Is Midnight eating, responding to petting? How much water is he drinking? */Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer
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Well the pee is inconvenient but I would not pts for that reason. Heck, my 3 years old has peed on the floor many times but I still have him LOL! I just don't know much about this stuff and I don't want him to suffer. I have noticed that if he pees on something non-absorbent (like my suitcase) and I don't catch it, it dries with salt looking crystals. I know I need help but I don't know what help I need. I did try the comfort zone feliway stuff that this group recommended, I don't see much of a change but the dr said that was because of the renal failure. Kelly L wrote: At 10:56 AM 3/26/2007, you wrote: No No No Please rethink, my kitty in CRF did pee all over, he was getting so much fluids, and he was an old tomif he is eating and comfortable and happy...He made need to have is roaming area curtailed, but there are s many options, If the PTS is for convenience so there is no pee on the floor that is a different issue, but it sounds like a convenient thing rather than health thing, my CRF cat was happy for 3 years after diagnosis, How can we help?? Kelly My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007
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Midnight is a stray that found us about 3 months ago. Best guess by Dr is that he is about 11 or 12 months old. So he is not elderly at all. I will try to change the litter type but the pee isn't the big issue. That is what took us to the Dr. but the renal failure is what brought me to this group. I just don't want this boy to suffer. wendy wrote: Jennifer, I have a CRF kitty who will be 18 in June. She pees A LOT. Is Midnight peeing a lot? Is he drinking a lot? Do you have his kidney values? What are they? I would ask a lot of questions before you pts. Julie has been CRF for over a year, and she really isn't being treated for it because we're treating her for hyperT, and besides, I don't think there's a lot you can do for CRF other than diet. Someone please correct me here if I'm wrong. Julie is happy and purring and enjoying life even though she goes to the bathroom a lot and we go through litter like water. I have to keep her box really clean or she will go elsewhere, and sometimes still does, but not often. How old is this boy? Renal failure usually happens to CRF kitties who are elderly, or to cats who are sick from something else that's shutting down their organs. Which does Midnight fall under? :) Wendy --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:56 AM 3/26/2007, you wrote: No No No Please rethink, my kitty in CRF did pee all over, he was getting so much fluids, and he was an old tomif he is eating and comfortable and happy...He made need to have is roaming area curtailed, but there are s many options, If the PTS is for convenience so there is no pee on the floor that is a different issue, but it sounds like a convenient thing rather than health thing, my CRF cat was happy for 3 years after diagnosis, How can we help?? Kelly My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
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If you have his bloodwork values, post them. If you don't, ask the vet if they'll fax them over or if you can come pick up a copy. We absolutely want to help you, but need to know those kidney values first. That will tell you if he's in renal failure. If you trust this doc, then he's probably going off those numbers for this diagnosis and he's probably right. But post them just in case. Does the vet say what is causing the renal failure, or is it just straight CRF (Chronic renal failure). Has he given your kitty any subQ fluids? If he's that bad, I would think he needs them. If he's CRF, I would strongly recommend you join the yahoo CRF group for guidance. They will know all the symptoms and be able to help you better. Also, here's a link to the just diagnosed page of the feline crf website, a great source of info.: http://www.felinecrf.org/just_diagnosed.htm Please keep us posted on Midnight. Good luck! :) Wendy --- Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Midnight is a stray that found us about 3 months ago. Best guess by Dr is that he is about 11 or 12 months old. So he is not elderly at all. I will try to change the litter type but the pee isn't the big issue. That is what took us to the Dr. but the renal failure is what brought me to this group. I just don't want this boy to suffer. wendy wrote: Jennifer, I have a CRF kitty who will be 18 in June. She pees A LOT. Is Midnight peeing a lot? Is he drinking a lot? Do you have his kidney values? What are they? I would ask a lot of questions before you pts. Julie has been CRF for over a year, and she really isn't being treated for it because we're treating her for hyperT, and besides, I don't think there's a lot you can do for CRF other than diet. Someone please correct me here if I'm wrong. Julie is happy and purring and enjoying life even though she goes to the bathroom a lot and we go through litter like water. I have to keep her box really clean or she will go elsewhere, and sometimes still does, but not often. How old is this boy? Renal failure usually happens to CRF kitties who are elderly, or to cats who are sick from something else that's shutting down their organs. Which does Midnight fall under? :) Wendy --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:56 AM 3/26/2007, you wrote: No No No Please rethink, my kitty in CRF did pee all over, he was getting so much fluids, and he was an old tomif he is eating and comfortable and happy...He made need to have is roaming area curtailed, but there are s many options, If the PTS is for convenience so there is no pee on the floor that is a different issue, but it sounds like a convenient thing rather than health thing, my CRF cat was happy for 3 years after diagnosis, How can we help?? Kelly My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
CRF (chronic renal failure) in cats is very treatable, unless it's extremely advanced. I would get a second opinion, and maybe a third one too. Check out my CRF webpage for lots of info on treatment and management: http://ucat.us/CRFPKDCats.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
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I feel almost foolish asking such an obvious question right now, but what has Midnight been eating?? You must have considered the possibility that he's been eating tainted Menu Foods products by now, right? Nina Jennifer Madon wrote: Midnight is a stray that found us about 3 months ago. Best guess by Dr is that he is about 11 or 12 months old. So he is not elderly at all. I will try to change the litter type but the pee isn't the big issue. That is what took us to the Dr. but the renal failure is what brought me to this group. I just don't want this boy to suffer.
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
Well, the latest food has been Purina Cat Chow. I didn't check on it because he eats dry food. I haven't even followed the recall since I heard it is in wet food. Should I worry? Nina wrote: I feel almost foolish asking such an obvious question right now, but what has Midnight been eating?? You must have considered the possibility that he's been eating tainted Menu Foods products by now, right? Nina Jennifer Madon wrote: Midnight is a stray that found us about 3 months ago. Best guess by Dr is that he is about 11 or 12 months old. So he is not elderly at all. I will try to change the litter type but the pee isn't the big issue. That is what took us to the Dr. but the renal failure is what brought me to this group. I just don't want this boy to suffer.
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
At 04:19 PM 3/26/2007, you wrote: do not think so Well, the latest food has been Purina Cat Chow. I didn't check on it because he eats dry food. I haven't even followed the recall since I heard it is in wet food. Should I worry? Nina wrote: I feel almost foolish asking such an obvious question right now, but what has Midnight been eating?? You must have considered the possibility that he's been eating tainted Menu Foods products by now, right? Nina Jennifer Madon wrote: Midnight is a stray that found us about 3 months ago. Best guess by Dr is that he is about 11 or 12 months old. So he is not elderly at all. I will try to change the litter type but the pee isn't the big issue. That is what took us to the Dr. but the renal failure is what brought me to this group. I just don't want this boy to suffer. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007
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Jennifer, What are Midnight's numbers, in particular these: Creatinine, BUN, Potassium, Phosphorus, HCT or PVC. My Fred is a kidney failure cat and there are different stages, with daily fluids, phosphorus binders and potassium supplements Fred's gotten better. Now if we can just get rid of this infection we'd be AOK!! I really take offense at what your vet suggested, is Midnight not eating, vomiting, does he have no interest in life? Why would your vet make such a suggestion? Many CRF (Chronic Renal Failure) kitties do very well with treatment. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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PS. He probably isn't getting the right antibiotic, what is he getting and why is he getting them? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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There is plenty you can do for kitties with CRF, diet, fluids and supplements for low potassium (most CRF kitties will eventually get low because they lose so much through their urine), aluminum phosphorus binders, because they will eventually have their phosphorus build up. Some kitties get pepcid for vomiting, some CRF kitties get tummy acid, epogen when their kidneys can no longer produce erythropoietin on their own. Theres more but these are just the thing we are dealing with or will be dealing with in the near future. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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At 10:45 PM 3/26/2007, you wrote: I always added potassium to the fluid and used phosphorus binders,,,He had a great 3 more years and he was over 20 Kelly There is plenty you can do for kitties with CRF, diet, fluids and supplements for low potassium (most CRF kitties will eventually get low because they lose so much through their urine), aluminum phosphorus binders, because they will eventually have their phosphorus build up. Some kitties get pepcid for vomiting, some CRF kitties get tummy acid, epogen when their kidneys can no longer produce erythropoietin on their own. Theres more but these are just the thing we are dealing with or will be dealing with in the near future. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007
Midnight still peeing
Ok, Midnight has been fixed and is done with his antibiotics for the UTI. He is still peeing but only on my 5 year old comforter. My son is in pull ups at night. Is it possible that he is trying to mark over the scent of my son? That is the only thing I can think of. I am keeping the door closed and not letting midnight in that room. Thanks in advance! Jennifer
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Jennifer, It can take a couple of months to get the hormones out of their system after a neuter... elizabeth On 2/14/07, Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, Midnight has been fixed and is done with his antibiotics for the UTI. He is still peeing but only on my 5 year old comforter. My son is in pull ups at night. Is it possible that he is trying to mark over the scent of my son? That is the only thing I can think of. I am keeping the door closed and not letting midnight in that room. Thanks in advance! Jennifer
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Hmm - possible he's still smelling the pee on the comforter. Might try something to deorderize it, and try Cat Attract cat litter in the litter box. Gloria At 03:09 PM 2/14/2007, you wrote: Ok, Midnight has been fixed and is done with his antibiotics for the UTI. He is still peeing but only on my 5 year old comforter. My son is in pull ups at night. Is it possible that he is trying to mark over the scent of my son? That is the only thing I can think of. I am keeping the door closed and not letting midnight in that room. Thanks in advance! Jennifer
Re: Midnight still peeing
Hmm - possible he's still smelling the pee on the comforter. Might try something to deorderize it, and try Cat Attract cat litter in the litter box. Gloria At 03:09 PM 2/14/2007, you wrote: Ok, Midnight has been fixed and is done with his antibiotics for the UTI. He is still peeing but only on my 5 year old comforter. My son is in pull ups at night. Is it possible that he is trying to mark over the scent of my son? That is the only thing I can think of. I am keeping the door closed and not letting midnight in that room. Thanks in advance! Jennifer
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As others have said, he may still have a UTI. He may not have gotten enough or the right antibiotics the first time. My last uti cat started out on amoxicillin, had another urinalysis, still had bacteria. Went on something else (don't remember what), another urinalysis, still had bacteria. Sent a culture out for further analysis, nothing grew. We decided it was probably behavioral at that point, he's on elavil now, really hoping it works. *This does not always happen, I think this kitty is upset because I do rescue and have lots of cats in the house. But, sometimes they need more antibiotics after the first round. On 2/14/07, Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, Midnight has been fixed and is done with his antibiotics for the UTI. He is still peeing but only on my 5 year old comforter. My son is in pull ups at night. Is it possible that he is trying to mark over the scent of my son? That is the only thing I can think of. I am keeping the door closed and not letting midnight in that room. Thanks in advance! Jennifer -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Midnight again
AAAGGG! I am sitting here and Midnight has started puking! He is still on his antibiotic for the UTI/possible renal failure. I don't know if he ate something or if he is sick. He just puked on the floor and jumped up in my spare office chair and went to sleep Jennifer
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Let's just hope it's nothing more than messy. Two things you can count on with cats, they kill birds and they throw up! What does the vomit look like? Is there a nasty hair ball in the middle of it, or does it look like mostly undigested food? It's probably nothing, don't worry unless there's blood in it, or if it keeps happening. N Jennifer Madon wrote: AAAGGG! I am sitting here and Midnight has started puking! He is still on his antibiotic for the UTI/possible renal failure. I don't know if he ate something or if he is sick. He just puked on the floor and jumped up in my spare office chair and went to sleep Jennifer
Re: Midnight again
There are some antibiotics that make me throw up too. Relax. Keep a close eye on him though. A cat that does not throw up some is just not normal. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Re: Midnight again Let's just hope it's nothing more than messy. Two things you can count on with cats, they kill birds and they throw up! What does the vomit look like? Is there a nasty hair ball in the middle of it, or does it look like mostly undigested food? It's probably nothing, don't worry unless there's blood in it, or if it keeps happening. N Jennifer Madon wrote: AAAGGG! I am sitting here and Midnight has started puking! He is still on his antibiotic for the UTI/possible renal failure. I don't know if he ate something or if he is sick. He just puked on the floor and jumped up in my spare office chair and went to sleep Jennifer
Re: midnight
I just called to check on Midnight and they said he is waking up right now from the neuter. He did great. They checked his urine and the receptionist said she thought there were white blood cells in the urine. I gave the vet permission to do a blood test to check is liver. Any thoughts on this? Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just make sure it's a NON-adjuvanted rabies and distemper vaccine, and that the distemper is not a combo vaccine that has Chlamydophila (also known as: Chlamydiosis, Chlamydia psittaci) in it, as it's an unnecessary vaccine with common side effects and very little benefit. Ask for Merial's PUREVAX rabies: http://merialusa.naccvp.com/view.php?prodnum=058 and Heska's Feline ULTRANASAL FVRCP: http://www.heska.com/ultranasal/pr_info.asp Here's more about what adjuvants are: http://www.tahealth.net/vas.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: midnight
White blood cells in the urine usually indicate bacteria is present, thus a UTI. Curing this will most likely help with the peeing everywhere. Make sure they give you antibiotics to cure the UTI if the vet says that's what it is. :) Wendy --- Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just called to check on Midnight and they said he is waking up right now from the neuter. He did great. They checked his urine and the receptionist said she thought there were white blood cells in the urine. I gave the vet permission to do a blood test to check is liver. Any thoughts on this? Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just make sure it's a NON-adjuvanted rabies and distemper vaccine, and that the distemper is not a combo vaccine that has Chlamydophila (also known as: Chlamydiosis, Chlamydia psittaci) in it, as it's an unnecessary vaccine with common side effects and very little benefit. Ask for Merial's PUREVAX rabies: http://merialusa.naccvp.com/view.php?prodnum=058 and Heska's Feline ULTRANASAL FVRCP: http://www.heska.com/ultranasal/pr_info.asp Here's more about what adjuvants are: http://www.tahealth.net/vas.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Re: midnight
WOO HOO because he peed on my husband in bed this morning. I thought he was going to kick me and Midnight out of the house! Instead he said, take your cat and get out of bed! He is a grump in the middle of the night. Then again, cat pee isn't pleasant to wake up to! wendy wrote: White blood cells in the urine usually indicate bacteria is present, thus a UTI. Curing this will most likely help with the peeing everywhere. Make sure they give you antibiotics to cure the UTI if the vet says that's what it is. :) Wendy --- Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just called to check on Midnight and they said he is waking up right now from the neuter. He did great. They checked his urine and the receptionist said she thought there were white blood cells in the urine. I gave the vet permission to do a blood test to check is liver. Any thoughts on this? Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just make sure it's a NON-adjuvanted rabies and distemper vaccine, and that the distemper is not a combo vaccine that has Chlamydophila (also known as: Chlamydiosis, Chlamydia psittaci) in it, as it's an unnecessary vaccine with common side effects and very little benefit. Ask for Merial's PUREVAX rabies: http://merialusa.naccvp.com/view.php?prodnum=058 and Heska's Feline ULTRANASAL FVRCP: http://www.heska.com/ultranasal/pr_info.asp Here's more about what adjuvants are: http://www.tahealth.net/vas.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
RE: midnight
LOL!! Oh honey, GANDHI would have tossed the two of you out of bed under the same circumstances...not that Gandhi would have found himself in the same circumstances... Here's hoping that the UTI clears up before your domestic bliss is totally shattered! Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Madon Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: midnight WOO HOO because he peed on my husband in bed this morning. I thought he was going to kick me and Midnight out of the house! Instead he said, take your cat and get out of bed! He is a grump in the middle of the night. Then again, cat pee isn't pleasant to wake up to! wendy wrote: White blood cells in the urine usually indicate bacteria is present, thus a UTI. Curing this will most likely help with the peeing everywhere. Make sure they give you antibiotics to cure the UTI if the vet says that's what it is. :) Wendy --- Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just called to check on Midnight and they said he is waking up right now from the neuter. He did great. They checked his urine and the receptionist said she thought there were white blood cells in the urine. I gave the vet permission to do a blood test to check is liver. Any thoughts on this? Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just make sure it's a NON-adjuvanted rabies and distemper vaccine, and that the distemper is not a combo vaccine that has Chlamydophila (also known as: Chlamydiosis, Chlamydia psittaci) in it, as it's an unnecessary vaccine with common side effects and very little benefit. Ask for Merial's PUREVAX rabies: http://merialusa.naccvp.com/view.php?prodnum=058 and Heska's Feline ULTRANASAL FVRCP: http://www.heska.com/ultranasal/pr_info.asp Here's more about what adjuvants are: http://www.tahealth.net/vas.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: midnight
Probably a mind urinary tract infection... but they should probably send him home with antibiotics from his neuter anyways, so that will take care of both things! Do insist on the antibiotics... for a FELV+ cat, you really can't be too safe. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: midnight
we can't forget that when they're showing symptoms of a UTI and they pull urine for analysis, that a gram ID and sensitivity test has to be done in order to identify the buggy that is the culprit so they can give the correct abx. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:05:59 PM Subject: Re: midnight WOO HOO because he peed on my husband in bed this morning. I thought he was going to kick me and Midnight out of the house! Instead he said, take your cat and get out of bed! He is a grump in the middle of the night. Then again, cat pee isn't pleasant to wake up to! wendy wrote: White blood cells in the urine usually indicate bacteria is present, thus a UTI. Curing this will most likely help with the peeing everywhere. Make sure they give you antibiotics to cure the UTI if the vet says that's what it is. :) Wendy --- Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just called to check on Midnight and they said he is waking up right now from the neuter. He did great. They checked his urine and the receptionist said she thought there were white blood cells in the urine. I gave the vet permission to do a blood test to check is liver. Any thoughts on this? Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just make sure it's a NON-adjuvanted rabies and distemper vaccine, and that the distemper is not a combo vaccine that has Chlamydophila (also known as: Chlamydiosis, Chlamydia psittaci) in it, as it's an unnecessary vaccine with common side effects and very little benefit. Ask for Merial's PUREVAX rabies: http://merialusa.naccvp.com/view.php?prodnum=058 and Heska's Feline ULTRANASAL FVRCP: http://www.heska.com/ultranasal/pr_info.asp Here's more about what adjuvants are: http://www.tahealth.net/vas.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Midnight is scheduled
Well I just wanted to let everyone know that after a stinky weekend of pee, Midnight will be going to the Dr. tomorrow (tuesday) morning to be neutered. They said they would also check him for a UTI just to make sure. Thanks to everyone for you advice. I am also going to get that Feliaway spray just incase we have any habits! :) Please pray for Midnight tomorrow. I am worried but he is a fighter. He managed to survive the cold before he found us 3 days after Christmas. He is tough, he will be fine but please pray. Thanks, Jennifer
RE: Midnight is scheduled
Praying for Midnight, Jennifer. Let us know how he gets on tomorrow, when you have time. I am so glad the little sweetheart found you! Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Madon Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Midnight is scheduled Well I just wanted to let everyone know that after a stinky weekend of pee, Midnight will be going to the Dr. tomorrow (tuesday) morning to be neutered. They said they would also check him for a UTI just to make sure. Thanks to everyone for you advice. I am also going to get that Feliaway spray just incase we have any habits! :) Please pray for Midnight tomorrow. I am worried but he is a fighter. He managed to survive the cold before he found us 3 days after Christmas. He is tough, he will be fine but please pray. Thanks, Jennifer IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Midnight is scheduled
Prayers and all good thoughts for you and Midnight. elizabeth On 1/29/07, Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I just wanted to let everyone know that after a stinky weekend of pee, Midnight will be going to the Dr. tomorrow (tuesday) morning to be neutered. They said they would also check him for a UTI just to make sure. Thanks to everyone for you advice. I am also going to get that Feliaway spray just incase we have any habits! :) Please pray for Midnight tomorrow. I am worried but he is a fighter. He managed to survive the cold before he found us 3 days after Christmas. He is tough, he will be fine but please pray. Thanks, Jennifer
Re: midnight
Just make sure it's a NON-adjuvanted rabies and distemper vaccine, and that the distemper is not a combo vaccine that has Chlamydophila (also known as: Chlamydiosis, Chlamydia psittaci) in it, as it's an unnecessary vaccine with common side effects and very little benefit. Ask for Merial's PUREVAX rabies: http://merialusa.naccvp.com/view.php?prodnum=058 and Heska's Feline ULTRANASAL FVRCP: http://www.heska.com/ultranasal/pr_info.asp Here's more about what adjuvants are: http://www.tahealth.net/vas.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: midnight
Thanks to everyone for your advice. From what I have read, I think that he is not spraying. Maybe marking (thank God he hasn't felt the need to claim me!) or peeing but not spraying. I called the vet about having him neutered and they said he has to have a rabies shot and distemper. I am not sure how I feel about this. He is not going out so I hate to give him anything he won't need. They didn't gibe him these shots the last time he was there because of his fever. Guess I have to do it though. Thanks again to everyone. Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Doobie cat started that... I woke up in the middle of the night warm and wet, he had PEED on ME in my bed! He got neutered the next day! He has NEVER gone outside the box since. In his case, it was a marking behavior. That being said, spraying is when they back up to something and are standing with their tail raised, and spraying urine out behind them on a vertical surface (the tail usually shakes when they do it). Peeing is when they squat. Both can be marking behaviors, not necessarily health problems. 8-9-10 months is that age where problems often begin, as he's going through puberty at that age. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Midnight - shots and neuter
Hi Jennifer, Technically most state laws govern that a cat has to have rabies shots. I'd check your county/state laws to make sure. You can, however, get away with not giving them rabies shots if they are not licensed. I don't think I've ever heard of states requiring you to give distemper. If Midnight isn't licensed, then it is your vet that is insisting on it. Vaccines are a judgement call. You have to weigh the protection against the stress it might cause. You mentioned that Midnight has already had a fever, the fact that he's already been sick might influence you. I usually have my cats inoculated only for the first series. I don't do the yearly, or every 3 yr follow ups. There is a great deal of debate about whether they are necessary. You can always run a titer (using a blood test), to determine if the cat still has sufficient antibodies needed to protect him against the individual diseases. At any rate, don't get his shots at the same time you do his neuter. Neutering is something that I personally think is worth the risk. Surgery and anesthesia is certainly stressful, but so is being intact. Not being neutered, besides the pleasant side effect of inappropriate urination, and possibly adding to the overpopulation burden, will cause Midnight to want to escape your house to go catting around. It also makes them more aggressive toward other cats and he could get into fights, or mate with sick girlfriends etc. etc. Tell your vet the reasons for your concern about having him vaccinated and if he still insists on it, (and if you decide not to do it), find a different vet. Recently Phaewrn started a thread about the safest procedures for surgery. Using gas instead of injectables, running IV fluids during surgery, etc. Take a look at the precautions suggested and talk to your vet about those too. Whenever any of my guys goes in for surgery, (pos and neg), I insist on bringing them home afterward esp if the clinic doesn't have round the clock care. I don't know how hectic your household is, I remember you saying you have kids :), but I feel like I can keep a more watchful eye on my guys than anybody else while they recover. If the worst happens, I can always run them to the 24 hour er. Just my 2 cents. Hugs to you and Midnight, Nina Jennifer Madon wrote: Thanks to everyone for your advice. From what I have read, I think that he is not spraying. Maybe marking (thank God he hasn't felt the need to claim me!) or peeing but not spraying. I called the vet about having him neutered and they said he has to have a rabies shot and distemper. I am not sure how I feel about this. He is not going out so I hate to give him anything he won't need. They didn't gibe him these shots the last time he was there because of his fever. Guess I have to do it though. Thanks again to everyone. Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Doobie cat started that... I woke up in the middle of the night warm and wet, he had PEED on ME in my bed! He got neutered the next day! He has NEVER gone outside the box since. In his case, it was a marking behavior. That being said, spraying is when they back up to something and are standing with their tail raised, and spraying urine out behind them on a vertical surface (the tail usually shakes when they do it). Peeing is when they squat. Both can be marking behaviors, not necessarily health problems. 8-9-10 months is that age where problems often begin, as he's going through puberty at that age. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Midnight - shots and neuter
Oh, and do tell whatever vet you go with about his litter box aversion to rule out any possible urinary problems. Nina
Re: Midnight - shots and neuter
Midnight is not licensed. That is not a requirement in my county. I was told by my vet that he is required to have rabies and distemper vaccines in order to come into the vet for the surgery because of the other cats. Problem #1 is that he is there for check ups with out the vaccines. #2 he is FeLV + so he should not be around any other cats. I am not sure if he has ever been vaccinated before. He came to us about a month ago. I am not sure why but I have a really bad feeling about him getting the distemper. Maybe I will try another vet. Unfortunately there are not many vets in my area. I will drive if I have to though. He has only been here a month but we are really in love with him. I think he gets lonely during the day so I thought about another FeLV+ cat to keep him company but I think he would get mad. He has a bad history of being attacked (when he lived outside) by the neighborhood cats. In fact, his fever was from an abscess on his hind parts that the vet said was cat bites. Anyway, the search is on for a new vet. Jennifer Nina wrote: Hi Jennifer, Technically most state laws govern that a cat has to have rabies shots. I'd check your county/state laws to make sure. You can, however, get away with not giving them rabies shots if they are not licensed. I don't think I've ever heard of states requiring you to give distemper. If Midnight isn't licensed, then it is your vet that is insisting on it. Vaccines are a judgement call. You have to weigh the protection against the stress it might cause. You mentioned that Midnight has already had a fever, the fact that he's already been sick might influence you. I usually have my cats inoculated only for the first series. I don't do the yearly, or every 3 yr follow ups. There is a great deal of debate about whether they are necessary. You can always run a titer (using a blood test), to determine if the cat still has sufficient antibodies needed to protect him against the individual diseases. At any rate, don't get his shots at the same time you do his neuter. Neutering is something that I personally think is worth the risk. Surgery and anesthesia is certainly stressful, but so is being intact. Not being neutered, besides the pleasant side effect of inappropriate urination, and possibly adding to the overpopulation burden, will cause Midnight to want to escape your house to go catting around. It also makes them more aggressive toward other cats and he could get into fights, or mate with sick girlfriends etc. etc. Tell your vet the reasons for your concern about having him vaccinated and if he still insists on it, (and if you decide not to do it), find a different vet. Recently Phaewrn started a thread about the safest procedures for surgery. Using gas instead of injectables, running IV fluids during surgery, etc. Take a look at the precautions suggested and talk to your vet about those too. Whenever any of my guys goes in for surgery, (pos and neg), I insist on bringing them home afterward esp if the clinic doesn't have round the clock care. I don't know how hectic your household is, I remember you saying you have kids :), but I feel like I can keep a more watchful eye on my guys than anybody else while they recover. If the worst happens, I can always run them to the 24 hour er. Just my 2 cents. Hugs to you and Midnight, Nina Jennifer Madon wrote: Thanks to everyone for your advice. From what I have read, I think that he is not spraying. Maybe marking (thank God he hasn't felt the need to claim me!) or peeing but not spraying. I called the vet about having him neutered and they said he has to have a rabies shot and distemper. I am not sure how I feel about this. He is not going out so I hate to give him anything he won't need. They didn't gibe him these shots the last time he was there because of his fever. Guess I have to do it though. Thanks again to everyone. Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Doobie cat started that... I woke up in the middle of the night warm and wet, he had PEED on ME in my bed! He got neutered the next day! He has NEVER gone outside the box since. In his case, it was a marking behavior. That being said, spraying is when they back up to something and are standing with their tail raised, and spraying urine out behind them on a vertical surface (the tail usually shakes when they do it). Peeing is when they squat. Both can be marking behaviors, not necessarily health problems. 8-9-10 months is that age where problems often begin, as he's going through puberty at that age. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Midnight - shots and neuter
Jennifer, My veterinary clinic has similar rules about shots and staying overnight for any reason there...but they do not insist on vaccines for FeVL+ or geriatric cats (the front desk girls don't know this though). I'm about the dumbest person on this list - but in my opinion, he really shouldn't get shots OR have surgery if he has fever... You may have already done this -- but sometimes it helps to speak directly to the vet rather than the people at the desk. The desk people are educated in the general policies of the clinic but are not qualified to make a decision based on special circumstances. I've found that if I am very polite and ask that the vet call me at his convenience - just having a good conversation with the vet and reaching an understanding considering all the variables involved can have much better results. That is no slam on the people who work there - they are just doing their job..and when they get to know you - they can really be your friend. (not to imply that you haven't already done this...) At any rate -- prayers going up for you and for dear Midnight. Your love and care for him will go a long way in making him better. My father was a vet tech for years when he was working his way through college. He loves animals and would spend a lot of time with the very sick ones making sure that they knew they were loved and cared for. The vet he worked for told him that the death rate there dramatically decreased (even for the dogs with Parvo) after dad started just giving the sick ones the extra love and attention...and that was years and years ago. It truly makes a difference. If you do introduce a new FeVL+ friend for him - it might be a good idea to bring in a kitten -- someone who would automatically assume a lesser spot in the hierarchy and not challenge him for top position...maybe even a little girl kittie (spayed, of course...at least in time) Sometimes having a much younger one works out quite well. He just doesn't need to feel threatened. I think I friend would do him good. Best to you Jennifer - elizabeth On 1/27/07, Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Midnight is not licensed. That is not a requirement in my county. I was told by my vet that he is required to have rabies and distemper vaccines in order to come into the vet for the surgery because of the other cats. Problem #1 is that he is there for check ups with out the vaccines. #2 he is FeLV + so he should not be around any other cats. I am not sure if he has ever been vaccinated before. He came to us about a month ago. I am not sure why but I have a really bad feeling about him getting the distemper. Maybe I will try another vet. Unfortunately there are not many vets in my area. I will drive if I have to though. He has only been here a month but we are really in love with him. I think he gets lonely during the day so I thought about another FeLV+ cat to keep him company but I think he would get mad. He has a bad history of being attacked (when he lived outside) by the neighborhood cats. In fact, his fever was from an abscess on his hind parts that the vet said was cat bites. Anyway, the search is on for a new vet. Jennifer Nina wrote: Hi Jennifer, Technically most state laws govern that a cat has to have rabies shots. I'd check your county/state laws to make sure. You can, however, get away with not giving them rabies shots if they are not licensed. I don't think I've ever heard of states requiring you to give distemper. If Midnight isn't licensed, then it is your vet that is insisting on it. Vaccines are a judgement call. You have to weigh the protection against the stress it might cause. You mentioned that Midnight has already had a fever, the fact that he's already been sick might influence you. I usually have my cats inoculated only for the first series. I don't do the yearly, or every 3 yr follow ups. There is a great deal of debate about whether they are necessary. You can always run a titer (using a blood test), to determine if the cat still has sufficient antibodies needed to protect him against the individual diseases. At any rate, don't get his shots at the same time you do his neuter. Neutering is something that I personally think is worth the risk. Surgery and anesthesia is certainly stressful, but so is being intact. Not being neutered, besides the pleasant side effect of inappropriate urination, and possibly adding to the overpopulation burden, will cause Midnight to want to escape your house to go catting around. It also makes them more aggressive toward other cats and he could get into fights, or mate with sick girlfriends etc. etc. Tell your vet the reasons for your concern about having him vaccinated and if he still insists on it, (and if you decide not to do it), find a different vet. Recently Phaewrn started a thread about the safest procedures for surgery. Using gas instead of injectables, running IV fluids during
midnight
Hello everyone. I am back with another question. Midnight is 8-9 months old. I have noticed the last 2 days that he is peeing all over the house. Not like, oops it just happened but he is positioning himself in places or over things and peeing on purpose. Is this a cry for attention, spraying or something else? Thanks for all your help! Jennifer
Re: midnight
Sounds like he is marking his territory. There may be female cats in the neighborhood going into heat. It is the right time here. Get some of the spray feliway and spray it everywhere in the house. Especially where he has marked. Is he spraying or just peeing? Just to make sure he is ok physically have a vet check him with special emphasis on crystals in the urine/kidneys/bladder and for a UTI. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:34 AM Subject: midnight Hello everyone. I am back with another question. Midnight is 8-9 months old. I have noticed the last 2 days that he is peeing all over the house. Not like, oops it just happened but he is positioning himself in places or over things and peeing on purpose. Is this a cry for attention, spraying or something else? Thanks for all your help! Jennifer
Re: midnight
This may sound stupid but how do I know the difference between spraying and peeing. He still goes into his box but I keep catching him squating all over the house peeing on wierd things. A dart board that was under my husbands desk, my dresser, and this morning it was a comforter I had on the couch. I will try the feliway. Does it smell? I am afraid my husband will make me get rid of him if I can't get the peeing under control. Anyone want to rescue a husband? My vet is out having hip replacement so I am not sure what to do about taking him in. When I get him neutered, will that stop the spraying, if that is what he is doing? Thanks again, Jennifer -Original Message- From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 26, 2007 7:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: midnight Sounds like he is marking his territory. There may be female cats in the neighborhood going into heat. It is the right time here. Get some of the spray feliway and spray it everywhere in the house. Especially where he has marked. Is he spraying or just peeing? Just to make sure he is ok physically have a vet check him with special emphasis on crystals in the urine/kidneys/bladder and for a UTI. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:34 AM Subject: midnight Hello everyone. I am back with another question. Midnight is 8-9 months old. I have noticed the last 2 days that he is peeing all over the house. Not like, oops it just happened but he is positioning himself in places or over things and peeing on purpose. Is this a cry for attention, spraying or something else? Thanks for all your help! Jennifer
Re: midnight
Spraying is where they usually back up against something and pee. There is usually a stronger odor to the urine. Feliway has no odor I can detect. I use Odo Ban (Wal-Mart/Sam's) to clean where they pee or spray. It works wonders and I have had no problem with it. If he is squatting I would have him checked ASAP for UTI even if you need to see another vet. That is not a problem you want to let go. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 7:39 AM Subject: Re: midnight This may sound stupid but how do I know the difference between spraying and peeing. He still goes into his box but I keep catching him squating all over the house peeing on wierd things. A dart board that was under my husbands desk, my dresser, and this morning it was a comforter I had on the couch. I will try the feliway. Does it smell? I am afraid my husband will make me get rid of him if I can't get the peeing under control. Anyone want to rescue a husband? My vet is out having hip replacement so I am not sure what to do about taking him in. When I get him neutered, will that stop the spraying, if that is what he is doing? Thanks again, Jennifer -Original Message- From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 26, 2007 7:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: midnight Sounds like he is marking his territory. There may be female cats in the neighborhood going into heat. It is the right time here. Get some of the spray feliway and spray it everywhere in the house. Especially where he has marked. Is he spraying or just peeing? Just to make sure he is ok physically have a vet check him with special emphasis on crystals in the urine/kidneys/bladder and for a UTI. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:34 AM Subject: midnight Hello everyone. I am back with another question. Midnight is 8-9 months old. I have noticed the last 2 days that he is peeing all over the house. Not like, oops it just happened but he is positioning himself in places or over things and peeing on purpose. Is this a cry for attention, spraying or something else? Thanks for all your help! Jennifer
Re: midnight
Jennifer, Barring, of course, an underlying physical problem - you may want to combat this on two fronts: First - you've got to totally get rid of the scent so that he can't smell it so those places don't remained marked as a good place to 'go'. (I've had good luck with 'urine gone'). Second - I totaly agree with those who mentioned Feliway.. *Feliway* (Comfort Zone) spray and diffusers prevent cats from urinating where they shouldn't. This fantastic new pheromone Feliway spray or diffuser duplicates the smell of a cat's natural scent glands. Cats will not soil anything close to where Feliway has been sprayed. EntirelyPets.com has the best price I've seen: http://entirelypets.stores.yahoo.net/fel60mlspray.html They have the diffusers too (which I use as well) but the spray is really good for targeting problem areas. Feliway is also great for preventing claw sharpening on inappropriate items. On 1/26/07, Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone. I am back with another question. Midnight is 8-9 months old. I have noticed the last 2 days that he is peeing all over the house. Not like, oops it just happened but he is positioning himself in places or over things and peeing on purpose. Is this a cry for attention, spraying or something else? Thanks for all your help! Jennifer
Re: midnight
Getting a cat neutered will often stop the spraying but I wouldn't wait any longer, if it becomes a habit it may not stop. I have had this happen with a few cats and they did stop after they were neutered. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: midnight
If you can tell that he isn't spraying then I would take him into the vet. He might have a urinary tract infection and that is something you don't want to let go. If he is spraying then I would get him neutered as soon as possible. Cindy Reasoner --- Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone. I am back with another question. Midnight is 8-9 months old. I have noticed the last 2 days that he is peeing all over the house. Not like, oops it just happened but he is positioning himself in places or over things and peeing on purpose. Is this a cry for attention, spraying or something else? Thanks for all your help! Jennifer Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091
Re: midnight
Hi Jennifer, I'm just getting caught up on my email, so I'm sure others have written you already, but yes, get him neutered!!! I was afraid to have it done to my positive, Will Feral, but he came through great. He was almost 8 months old when I saw him back up and send a stream of urine right into my husband's slipper. That did it, we took him in and had the surgery. I haven't seen him do it again, and I don't smell any evidence that he has. If you wait too long, the behavior can become a habit that even neutering will not curb. Good luck, Beth
Re: midnight
My Doobie cat started that... I woke up in the middle of the night warm and wet, he had PEED on ME in my bed! He got neutered the next day! He has NEVER gone outside the box since. In his case, it was a marking behavior. That being said, spraying is when they back up to something and are standing with their tail raised, and spraying urine out behind them on a vertical surface (the tail usually shakes when they do it). Peeing is when they squat. Both can be marking behaviors, not necessarily health problems. 8-9-10 months is that age where problems often begin, as he's going through puberty at that age. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: midnight
Phaewryn, I'm sorry -- I know it's not funny but my drink nearly went out my nose ;-) There is no question - you belong to your cats. It's good to be loved LOL elizabeth On 1/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Doobie cat started that... I woke up in the middle of the night warm and wet, he had PEED on ME in my bed! He got neutered the next day! He has NEVER gone outside the box since. In his case, it was a marking behavior. That being said, spraying is when they back up to something and are standing with their tail raised, and spraying urine out behind them on a vertical surface (the tail usually shakes when they do it). Peeing is when they squat. Both can be marking behaviors, not necessarily health problems. 8-9-10 months is that age where problems often begin, as he's going through puberty at that age. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Midnight and the mysterious puddle (was Newbie question)
Ha! What a relief! You're such a good kitty mom do be so diligent. I hope you stick around too. Thank you for letting us know the answer to the mystery. I'm so glad to hear it isn't coming from Midnight. He sounds like such a doll, and so do you. Nina Jennifer Madon wrote: Great news! I am a little embarrassed to admit this but, I found the source of the pink puddle! I was washing dished last night and felt my sock get wet. I looked down and found a pink puddle but no midnight. A rink broke off of my sink and it is leaking. Somewhere between the leak and my floor, it is coming in contact with something that tinges it pink. I am so relieved. I don't regret asking because I learned a lot of great things. Thanks to everyone and I hope to be able to stick around. Maybe one day I will even be able to help answer questions! Thanks again, Jennifer
Re: Midnight and the mysterious puddle (was Newbie question)
Thank you! He made his first disaster this morning! I couldn't even get mad cause I was laughing so hard! He was sitting on the window sill, behind the mini blinds, watching the forbidden outside. My 5 yo jumped up on the couch and Midnight crouched into attack position. The first time my son moved, Midnight lunged at him. Through the blinds he flew!! Needless to say, we have a cat sized hole in the blinds where he broke the slats! It was so funny! Maybe next time I will remember to lift the blind for him! LOL Nina wrote: Ha! What a relief! You're such a good kitty mom do be so diligent. I hope you stick around too. Thank you for letting us know the answer to the mystery. I'm so glad to hear it isn't coming from Midnight. He sounds like such a doll, and so do you. Nina Jennifer Madon wrote: Great news! I am a little embarrassed to admit this but, I found the source of the pink puddle! I was washing dished last night and felt my sock get wet. I looked down and found a pink puddle but no midnight. A rink broke off of my sink and it is leaking. Somewhere between the leak and my floor, it is coming in contact with something that tinges it pink. I am so relieved. I don't regret asking because I learned a lot of great things. Thanks to everyone and I hope to be able to stick around. Maybe one day I will even be able to help answer questions! Thanks again, Jennifer
Re: Midnight and the mysterious puddle (was Newbie question)
LOL I have several sets of blinds complete with kitty holes :0) It's a security measuresomeone is always peering outside elizabeth On 1/20/07, Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you! He made his first disaster this morning! I couldn't even get mad cause I was laughing so hard! He was sitting on the window sill, behind the mini blinds, watching the forbidden outside. My 5 yo jumped up on the couch and Midnight crouched into attack position. The first time my son moved, Midnight lunged at him. Through the blinds he flew!! Needless to say, we have a cat sized hole in the blinds where he broke the slats! It was so funny! Maybe next time I will remember to lift the blind for him! LOL Nina wrote: Ha! What a relief! You're such a good kitty mom do be so diligent. I hope you stick around too. Thank you for letting us know the answer to the mystery. I'm so glad to hear it isn't coming from Midnight. He sounds like such a doll, and so do you. Nina Jennifer Madon wrote: Great news! I am a little embarrassed to admit this but, I found the source of the pink puddle! I was washing dished last night and felt my sock get wet. I looked down and found a pink puddle but no midnight. A rink broke off of my sink and it is leaking. Somewhere between the leak and my floor, it is coming in contact with something that tinges it pink. I am so relieved. I don't regret asking because I learned a lot of great things. Thanks to everyone and I hope to be able to stick around. Maybe one day I will even be able to help answer questions! Thanks again, Jennifer
Re: Midnight and the mysterious puddle (was Newbie question)
Yeah, my Miranda cat ATE all the blinds up to cat head height from the window sill, so now we keep them up about 18 inches from the sill... or she will eat them some more! She didn't actually consume them, she just chewed them all to shreds, pieces of plastic blinds all over the floor. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Midnight needs a home
Hello all, I'm posting this here with permission from the author. It was originally posted on the Yahoo! FeLV+ list. You can check that group to get the original author's e-mail address. If you have trouble finding it, feel free to e-mail me offlist. The post is from Monday, April 17. I wish I were in a position to take Midnight in. I hope one of you can be of help. Thank you, Lance --- I have a beautiful and loving female cat named Midnight. She is probably under 1 year old. My mother found the cat and I took it to the veterinary clinic and they have diagnosed the cat with feline leukemia. I would like to request any information you might have on helping me to suspend the veterinarian's suggestion to put Midnight to sleep. I understand that your organization specializes in recognizing the qualities that animals poses that can add tranquility and therapeutic regimens to patients with special needs. I believe that your organization focuses on not giving up so easily when life seems hopeless. She is not a sickly cat. He said that I would never find her a home because of her diagnosis. I will admit I find animals homes regularly and I have had to deal with putting animals that are in a great deal of pain to sleep, however, Midnight is so very different – she is absolutely loving and sweet. I will donate money to the Animal-Assisted Therapy organization to financially take care of all expenses for a minimum of 6 months towards Midnight's future. Time is ticking because I need to come to an answer quickly because I am currently boarding her at an animal clinic. I cannot take care of her myself because I have two cats and I know that feline leukemia is contagious amongst cats. Please contact me at (713) 501-0499 for more information. I would appreciate it if you could just meet her (I can take her to you) or talk with me. She really is so special. I rarely ask people for anything. I volunteer time and money ALL the time, please if someone could do this one thing for me/her. At a minimum, please contact me with contact information for health care institutions: nursing homes, hospitals, rehabilitation centers, psychiatric institutions who I reach for the same cause. Thank you. ---
