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Re: Lovey transport

2005-02-10 Thread Barb Moermond

The weekend of the 18th-19th is unlikely for me though, I'll be in northcentral WI at my mom's. We'll just see how things work out elsewhere:)catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Brenda,

I'm glad your tests went well. I'm going to go pick up Lovey tonight. I just brought in a cage to set him up in for tonight because I'm picking him up late and then will have to go to work early in the morning. I don't want to risk any fighting or anything while I'm gone, and as I've mentioned before, my cats are not a real friendly group!

I'm putting him in my bedroom though, so he'll get some attention. Hopefully this weekend he can socialize enough to not have to be caged!

When we get transport together I can get Merry from Dale if you want her. Dale is pretty close to me so that won't be a problem.

I could transport next weekend if you can get something arranged.

I could go north to Tenn. and into Kentucky if necessary. Del said she had a friend that could go to Kentucky and then meet her in Illinois.

Barb M. is in Wisconsin and said she could help.

I think what you need to do is just see what responses we get from this post (I'm sending it to the list) and let's go from there.

Next weekend I could start out late Friday, early saturday, or sunday, whatever would work out with whoever I'm going to meet.

If you can talk to the people I've mentioned and anyone else who offers help, etc... and try to get who meets who where and when worked out I think we can do this. : )

Also, I'm thinking we might could overnight them with Del?

Example, I start out Saturday, meet Del's friend that afternoon, then he gets them to Del and she could start them out the rest of the trip on Sunday morning?

I am right on I-75 north of Atlanta, so I assume I would go straight up 75. So that would be the first part of the trip!

I'll email you my cell phone number and you can give it to whomever you want to, I just don't want to send it out to the whole list because people say not to. lol.

I'll stay in touch, and I'll send you some pics of Lovey this weekend!!!

Tonya

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Tonya. Did you get/read the email from Jenny this morning about meeting her at 8:30 PM tonight to pick up Lovey? She said she had a carrier. I just got online and have a ton of emails to answer on the List. I haven't contacted Dale Thompson yet so don't even know if I can adopt Merrie also. I am kind of overwhelmed with what to do from here. Still worn out from yesterday, but I am fine. I guess I'll go through the emails and try to get my mind around all the helpful emails about Lovey. Please let me know if you got Jenny's email. Thanks so much for offering to keep Lovey until I can arrange transport.--

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Re: OT: Lovey transport

2005-02-10 Thread Barb Moermond

I'm not planning on leaving until Saturday morning, so depending on when kitty could get to Madison, or say. Janesville - I can then take her north - my usual route is up 39.I'm cc:ing this to Peggy Dial.

Peggy,
This is from Atlanta to extreme northern Wisconsin and we've got some of the legs worked out and an overnight in southern Illinois covered."Brenda K. Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Del Thank you so much. You be careful though - you will fall in love with him. I just heard about how loving and wonderful he was from Jenny and then she sent me three gorgeous pictures and I was in love. lol I told my 34 year old daughter about Lovey back when he was first found and she saw his pictures right after I did and had a fit also. She said, "oh mom, you've got to adopt him. He's precious." :) How far can you drive because right now we have no one after you if it is the 18th-19th weekend because Barb who first offered is not available that weekend. I did email Peggy Dial about 1/2 hour ago so will let everybody know what she says. Thank you again, Del. :) --

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Del Daniels wrote:

Oh, yes I can overnight Lovey.

Del
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Re: OT: Transporting Adopted Cat from GA to WI??

2005-02-09 Thread Barb Moermond

Where in WI is Cat Heaven located? I'm in Madison and am willing to go 2.5-3 hrs out from here. I did a run from here to Black River Falls and I also went to La Crosse to pick up a little sweetie."Brenda K. Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Patti. Wow, thank you so much for all the information. I will check out the Billyboard on Yahoo. Is the person who boards for a reasonable price on that board? If not, do you know how I can contact her. We need to get Lovey out of the vet clinic fast. He has been in an abusive home. I was going to adopt him about three weeks ago. He had been rescued by a person who works for the humane society. She found him under her car in the parking lot in a bad thunderstorm crying like crazy. She put up signs, etc. In the meantime, his story was posted on here. He was unneutered and FELV+. Plans were started to finalize the adoption and I got an email about a week ago that his owners had called and described him. They told the woman about the wonderful home in Cat Heaven, WI tha!
t had
been found for him and that the person adopting had a felv+ cat and knew how to properly care for him, but they wanted him back. They promised they would have him neutered and wouldn't let him out of the house again. He is about a year old. A couple of days ago, the same lady who rescued him the first time was having dinner at her boyfriend's house when they heard crying outside his door. There was Lovey (I had already named him) standing at the door meowing his heart out (how he ever found her again is a true miracle). The lady grabbed him and saw that he was still unneutered and had a large bloody wound on his neck. :( She rushed him to the vet clinic and had a tech who works with her email me that he was mine if I still wanted him. I emailed back - Oh h*** yes, I want him. My grown daughter and I were shouting with joy. I just had a feeling that he would be back. Anyway, t!
hey want
him out of the clinic asap in case the owners come back there looking for him. By law they have to give him back, but he needs to be in an inside, loving, forever home like mine. :) So, I have to get him out of there to stay somewhere until transport can be arranged. Unfortunately, I have to be gone all day tomorrow until evening with tons of tests at the hospital. I am a heart transplant patient and this is my yearly testing. So if I can get in contact with the lady who boards, that would put my mind at rest until transport is arranged. Thanks so much again.--

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The Yahoo group I have worked w/ when I pulled from
Spalding Co. A.C. is called Billyboard. (Named after the first Spalding
rescue)

The group focuses on Spalding its' animals, but
also does work w/ Athens other Ga. shelters.

There is a database that lists people willing to do
transports.And yes, they do transport cats.
There's help available w/ either land or air
transport.
Also a local recsuer who will board for a very
reasonable price while transport is arranged.

My sweet Ethan, Felv+furangel was rescued from
Spalding.

Patti

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Re: Tough Times

2005-02-09 Thread Barb Moermond

Oh Julie, we're all sending good health and strength vibes to your hubby and kitties. And calm strength to you too.

HUGSJulie Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dear Friends,

First, let me wish Brenda the best of luck with her yearly checkup!

Once again, I ask you all to send healing vibes to my loved ones. My husband was diagnosed with an aneurysm and blood clot in his right leg last week. Further testing found he also has an aneurysm in his abdominal aorta. This is all complicated by the fact that he had a coronary blockage about 18 years ago, so he has to be cleared for surgery by his cardiologist. We've seen lots of doctors and had many, many tests with more to come. Today we meet with a vascular surgeon who has a great reputation to see what kind of new technology he might be a candidate for, if both can be repaired at the same time, etc. As you can imagine, it's been very stressful.

On the kitty front, Tommy and Wink (both hyper-t) are not being regulated by their current Tapazole dosage, so as of this morning the dosage has been doubled. I hope this gets them where they need to be; I had wanted to do radioactive iodine treatments on them, but it's about $2500 for both of them and I just can't afford it right now. Coco Bear has lost quite a bit of weight in the last few weeks, and I strongly suspected he might be hyper-thyroid, too, but his bloodwork is pretty good for an old guy with just an elevated white blood cell count. He does have a couple of bad teeth, but seems to still be eating the same amount; we're going to try him on antibiotics for a week and then pull the teeth, so I'm hoping that will resolve his situation, too.

My FIV+ cats (Eduardo, Maurice and Brownie) are doing well; Eduardo has taken the turn from being semi-feral to being a hunk o'love with me. It's such a great feeling to see him happy and comfortable instead of trying to dig an escape route out of the house! Maurice is lonely (Brownie is blind and deaf and not much of a playmate) and I have looked for some time for an FIV+ companion for him. Maurice is aggressive and a biter, although interestingly, he does not bother Brownie at all, I guess because Brownie doesn't interact with him. I think I finally have a match; an FIV+ young male named Clyde who is a big happy-go-lucky goofball. He came into my friend Joan's group last week and his temperment seems like it will work with Maurice's. He will be coming home with me when I can devote a little time to getting him integrated.

I swear, sometimes everything just sucks! Thanks for listening and please send those healing vibes; I know what they can do!

Take care everyone and give the furkids and big smooch from me.

Love, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.

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Re: Lucy has a large bladder stone

2005-02-09 Thread Barb Moermond

Good luck with the diet. I'm surprised that the pH of her urine didn't clue them in as to which kind of crystal it is - or is likely to be.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I got Lucy an ultrasound and xray today and she has a large bladder stone. They can not tell from any of the tests if it is from struvite or oxylate crystals that caused the stone. Stones caused by the former can sometimes be dissolved over time with a special diet, while stones by the latter need to be removed by surgery which is dangerous for an FELV+ cat because surgery often triggers the virus to become active. The plan is to try the diet for a month and re-xray to see if there is any change.I am glad she does not have cancer. I am of course worried about the stone, and feel bad because she must be very uncomfortable as it takes up about half her bladder when empty.Just wanted to let you know as I have posted about her and asked questions.Thanks,Michelle L.Barb+Smoky the House P!
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Re: Simon passed away

2005-02-05 Thread Barb Moermond

Michelle,
I am so sorry his time finally came. But he knows you were there with him and I'm positive he's looking down from the Bridge, just trying to figure out who to send to you now. You gave him an extra month in a wonderful loving home and I'm sure that meansthe worldto him. My heart goes out to you and Gray and the rest of your critters. Our thoughts and tears are with you.

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I had given him 1/2 dose of the tranquilizer I had here about 3 hours earlier, maybe more. It was only supposed to last one hour, even at full dose. I think he was unconscious the whole time, though it was hard to tell because his eyes were open but they can be under this tranquilizer. About 1/2 hour ago, while waiting for Gray to get home with more steroids, which I had decided to try as a last resort since getting his blood test results from Thursday and finding out that he likely was having an auto-immune response and killing his own red blood cells. he had already gotten large doses of steroids, but there was a disagreement as to whether he should get 1/2 cc or 1 cc of depo and he had gotten only 1/2. So gray went and got another 1/2 cc from someone I know who had it. when he got back, Simon still seemed unconscious. I suggested I g!
ive
him the dep and then we turn him over. I gave him the depo shot sub-q. he did not move, but a second later his stomach mildly convulsed twice and he stopped breathing and was gone. While gray was gone, after reading an email about this, I put my hands on Simon and told him it was ok to go if he needed to. That was probably about 10 minutes before he went.It was very peaceful and fast, but also kind of shocking as I would have thought he would have cried or had open-mouthed breathing before passing away, and he did not. I guess because he was tranquilized. I do not see how a sub q shot of steroids could have had any medical effect within a second or two, but it is hard not to think that my poking him with the shot made him pass away, as he did so immediately afterwards. I was trying to help him, but I was giving him more than the oncologist had recommended (I had done so a month ago also, and figured if I had not
disobeyed instructions then he would not have rebounded) and it is hard not to feel it pushed him over the edge. Harder than that, though, is the thought that the last thing I did before he died was stick him with a needle. And that he had not crashed until I took him to the vet on Thursday, and crashed even more after his ordeal at the oncologist's on Friday. Had I known he really was going to die, I would never have put him through that. I had considered not going to the oncologist and just giving him steroids at home, and wish that I had. The oncologist had said there might be something they could do, that maybe a transfusion would help him or he might have a bleed that could be stopped, but all I did was torture him. His leg is all bruised from the vet on Thursday not being able to draw his blood, and I know he fought catheterization for the transfusion we tried to give him so hard that he needed to be given oxygen. I will!
never
forgive myself for that. If he is somewhere, I hope that he forgives me.Thank you for all your prayers and support. if you believe Simon still is somewhere (I myself do not know), please pray that he is ok and happy. I have had a lot of cats, but he was possibly the most special. We called him our dog-cat, because he acted so much like a dog, but with a naughty cat's naughtiness. I will miss him so much and can not believe he is gone.MichelleBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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RE: signs of anemia?

2005-02-04 Thread Barb Moermond

I believe "infectious anemia" refers to a condition caused by a blood parasite (hemobartinella)."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My Levi began eating litter, which, I learned from our wonderful group,was a sign of anemia.He had also stopped playing and begun simply sitting in one place.The vet took blood and confirmed that he did have anemia. Histemperature was just slightly above normal.He gradually lost his appetite totally, but I discovered later that hehad a lot of ulcers in his mouth, so I think that wd be the reason hedidn't want to eat.You mention infectious anemia. I didn't know it could be infectious (orthat there is an infectious kind).I'm so glad Gary is eating on her own again. That's such good news. Hopeshe enjoys the liver shake!Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Jill PoeSent: Friday, February 04, 2005 3:06 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject:!
signs of
anemia?Can you all tell me about your FeLV+ anemiaexperiences? Did you find out they were anemic viavet tests? Were there physical symptoms you noticedfirst?Gary has been doing well but last week slowly stoppedeating (less and less then none) and then became VERYlethargic and the night before she went to the vet,she seemed to not be able to walk at all. The vet said she had a fever, she had sub-q fluids anda fever reducer (injection, I think) and we gave her asponge bath at home (didn't think of the alcohol onher pads and ears - I'll remember that!). She alsowent back on antibiotics (not sure which - my b/f hasbeen administering them. It's the pink liquid).We force fed her KMR with B-12 and I think that plusthe fever reducer made her feel better enough to starteating on her own. She has since completed herantibiotics. However, she is still sleeping more thanusual, but she is not
lethargic. She is playing andwalking okay but eating about half as much as before. I THINK her nose looks paler than usual but her gumsare mostly black (instead of pink) so it's hard totell from them if they are pale. Her tongue seemsnormal pink.I'm just wondering if it's a matter of time beforeshe'll get infectious anemia and what thesigns/symptoms are. I'm sure our vet would have saidsomething if they thought she was anemic, although Iknow they didn't do a blood test for anything. Vetknows alot about FeLV but maybe she didn't check foranemia at all. Since she's doing *better*, we don't want to take herback to the vet but I'd feel better if she were eatinglike she used to. I'm going to make her a liver shakethis weekend to see if she likes that. Also, she hadonly lost a few ounces since her last visit. She's dofor another complete CBC in
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Re: UTI's, drug dosages, and new research

2005-02-03 Thread Barb Moermond

I agree! We all know how good our kitties are at hiding anything that might be wrong and it was VERY clear that Smoky was miserable:( When I got home that Thursday to take him in to get his fentanyl patch, he was lying on his side behind a chair using a big squeaky mouse as a pillow. Of course, as miserable as he was, he still fought like a tiger when I tried to put him in the carrier - scratched my face and everything.TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i am HOPING that what my vet is talking about is NOT interstitial cystitis, because i know people with it and it is a HORRIBLE condition. i would hate to know that a cat was going through the intractable pain that humans with it doMCBarb Moermond wrote: 

if you do a search, use the term "feline interstitial cystitis" another termis idiopathic cystitis because they don't know what causes it. It's certainly not just girl cats because Smoky is a boy:)

Humans also suffer from this condition and it is very frustrating for patients and doctors.

here is a link to a page that clearly explains the various urinary problems that kitties get:
http://www.baybeachvet.com/flutd.html

here is the link to the most helpful article I'd found when this hit last month (granted, it's a study published in a specialty journal) :
http://ajprenal.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/278/4/F540

here is a bit from that study that succinctly sums it up:

"Interstitial cystitis (IC) is a chronic debilitating syndrome characterized by all of the symptoms of acute bacterial cystitis, including frequency, urgency, nocturia, and bladder/pelvic pain, without any abnormal findings on conventional urine culture and cytology studies."
TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

another thing that my vet JUST told me about last month, when one of my girls was showing all the signs of an UTI, is that there's new research about girl cats and UTIs that indicate that some will just have symptoms with NO infection at all--that despite all indications, nothing will culture out and the symptoms will go away on their own. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous 


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Re: UTI's, drug dosages, and new research

2005-02-03 Thread Barb Moermond

oh another thing I noticed is that he wouldn't sit normally - he'd sit crooked, on one haunch or the other and lean against the wall - it just hurt him too much to sit in the regular positionTenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i am HOPING that what my vet is talking about is NOT interstitial cystitis, because i know people with it and it is a HORRIBLE condition. i would hate to know that a cat was going through the intractable pain that humans with it doMCBarb Moermond wrote: 

if you do a search, use the term "feline interstitial cystitis" another termis idiopathic cystitis because they don't know what causes it. It's certainly not just girl cats because Smoky is a boy:)

Humans also suffer from this condition and it is very frustrating for patients and doctors.

here is a link to a page that clearly explains the various urinary problems that kitties get:
http://www.baybeachvet.com/flutd.html

here is the link to the most helpful article I'd found when this hit last month (granted, it's a study published in a specialty journal) :
http://ajprenal.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/278/4/F540

here is a bit from that study that succinctly sums it up:

"Interstitial cystitis (IC) is a chronic debilitating syndrome characterized by all of the symptoms of acute bacterial cystitis, including frequency, urgency, nocturia, and bladder/pelvic pain, without any abnormal findings on conventional urine culture and cytology studies."
TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

another thing that my vet JUST told me about last month, when one of my girls was showing all the signs of an UTI, is that there's new research about girl cats and UTIs that indicate that some will just have symptoms with NO infection at all--that despite all indications, nothing will culture out and the symptoms will go away on their own. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous 


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Re: Alternative for Prednisone

2005-02-03 Thread Barb Moermond

Another alternative is to use prednisolone instead of prednisone to save the liver some work. The liver breaks down prednisone into prednisolone and THAT is what the body uses.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought I'd pass this along, in case any of you are interested in discussing it with your vets. As you guys know, Gypsy has been on Methylpred shots every two weeks for quite some time now. I have been concerned about long term use and Sally found me an alternative "Natural Hydrocortisone". This is recommended in Dr. Hamilton's book, "Homeopathic Care for Cats and Dogs: Small Doses for Small Animals". A source for this Natural Hydrocortisone is: Pet Health Pharmacy in AZ, phone: 800-742-0516. She also found an alternative for Metronidazole (Flagil), in Dr. Martin Goldstein's, "Nature of Animal Healing. Dr. Goldstein talks about using Penicillin G instead of Flagil for gastrointestinal disorders because it's less toxic. Speaking of less toxic; my vet also has me using a homeopathic remedy called Thuja that is suppose to help th!
e body
rid itself of toxins.I asked my new East/West vet about these alternatives and she's putting Gypsy on Penicillin G instead of both the Pred and Flagil. I sure wish I were more sure of what I'm doing! I'll let you know if there is any change in symptoms with the change in medication.NinaBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: Alternative for Prednisone

2005-02-03 Thread Barb Moermond

I learned that a long time ago when we were using pred to control Ninja's seizures - worked like a charm too for a few months and then we had to add phenobarbital and her last 2 months were completely seizure free:)Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Barb,I didn't know that was the difference between prednisone and prednisolone.NinaBarb Moermond wrote: Another alternative is to use prednisolone instead of prednisone to save the liver some work. The liver breaks down prednisone into prednisolone and THAT is what the body uses. */Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: I thought I'd pass this along, in case any of you are interested in discussing it with your vets. As you guys know, Gypsy has been on Methylpred shots every two weeks for quite some time now. I have been concerned about long term use and Sally found me an alternative "Natural Hydrocortisone". This is recommended in Dr. Hamilton's book, "Homeopathic Care for Cats and Dogs: Small Doses for Small Animals". A source for!
this
Natural Hydrocortisone is: Pet Health Pharmacy in AZ, phone: 800-742-0516. She also found an alternative for Metronidazole (Flagil), in Dr. Martin Goldstein's, "Nature of Animal Healing. Dr. Goldstein talks about using Penicillin G instead of Flagil for gastrointestinal disorders because it's less toxic. Speaking of less toxic; my vet also has me using a homeopathic remedy called Thuja that is suppose to help th! e body rid itself of toxins. I asked my new East/West vet about these alternatives and she's putting Gypsy on Penicillin G instead of both the Pred and Flagil. I sure wish I were more sure of what I'm doing! I'll let you know if there is any change in symptoms with the change in medication. Nina Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he s!
hould
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Re: Alternative for Prednisone

2005-02-03 Thread Barb Moermond

I also have NO idea why prednisone is prescribed so often instead of the prednisoloneNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Barb,I didn't know that was the difference between prednisone and prednisolone.NinaBarb Moermond wrote: Another alternative is to use prednisolone instead of prednisone to save the liver some work. The liver breaks down prednisone into prednisolone and THAT is what the body uses. */Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: I thought I'd pass this along, in case any of you are interested in discussing it with your vets. As you guys know, Gypsy has been on Methylpred shots every two weeks for quite some time now. I have been concerned about long term use and Sally found me an alternative "Natural Hydrocortisone". This is recommended in Dr. Hamilton's book, "Homeopathic Care for Cats and Dogs: Small Doses for Small Animals". A source for!
this
Natural Hydrocortisone is: Pet Health Pharmacy in AZ, phone: 800-742-0516. She also found an alternative for Metronidazole (Flagil), in Dr. Martin Goldstein's, "Nature of Animal Healing. Dr. Goldstein talks about using Penicillin G instead of Flagil for gastrointestinal disorders because it's less toxic. Speaking of less toxic; my vet also has me using a homeopathic remedy called Thuja that is suppose to help th! e body rid itself of toxins. I asked my new East/West vet about these alternatives and she's putting Gypsy on Penicillin G instead of both the Pred and Flagil. I sure wish I were more sure of what I'm doing! I'll let you know if there is any change in symptoms with the change in medication. Nina Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he s!
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Re: UTI's

2005-02-02 Thread Barb Moermond

See if you can get Royal Canin S/O diet (made by Waltham) - it's specifically formulated for urinary issues. It's a prescription food. Are you able to take Lucy in to the vet so THEY can get the sample?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My positive Lucy has been peeing frequently and has a little blood in her urine sometimes. She is otherwise acting normal and eating fine. I got Nosorb pellets in order to get a sample for the vet, but she refused to pee in the box with the pellets and tried to pee on the floor instead so I gave up. My vet will not prescribe an antibiotic without a sample and told me to lock her in a crate with the litter box, but I don't want to do that because she is very easily stressed and is positive. The woman who runs the shelter where I volunteer, and where my cats came from, says she treats UTI's with Baytril, which I have at home, so I put her on that yesterday. Have any of you used Baytril for UTI's and, if so, how long did it take to work? Also, do you think there is something else I should be worried this is, or just assume it is a UTI for !
now?
She's never gotten one before, but I think she has been stressed by Simon being moved out of their space and me spending less time with them since Simon has been sick (Lucy and I are very close), and I have also given them some foods they do not usually get because of all the stuff I have tried with Simon.Thanks,MichelleBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: UTI's

2005-02-02 Thread Barb Moermond

Since I learned about interstitial cystitis, I'm much more suspicious about bladder issues now. It COULD be a bacterial infection, but it could be struvite or oxalate crystals. Or, as in my Smoky's case, it could just be the whim of the gods. Has she had bacterial infections before? Even if you can't get a sample right now, I highly recommend switching her to the s/o diet sooutbreaks will be severely limited if not eliminated.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I asked them about doing a needle sample and they insisted I should just crate her. To be honest, she gets stressed going in the car and the needle sample has its risks and is uncomfortable, and if Baytril will just work and I have it I would rather just give it to her. I was just checking to see if others had in fact used it for this, and it seems at least one person does, so I feell ok about it.
Thanks,
Michelle

In a message dated 2/2/05 11:28:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
See if you can get Royal Canin S/O diet (made by Waltham) - it's specifically formulated for urinary issues. It's a prescription food. Are you able to take Lucy in to the vet so THEY can get the sample?

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Re: UTI's

2005-02-02 Thread Barb Moermond

That's a good idea - one of the recommendations - orders - from the vet was to elimate treats and other things that can be ingested that weren't the special diet.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



No, she's never had it before. One of the foods I feed them is Wysong Uretic, which is one of the better healthy brands' formula for preventing crystals. Maybe I will stop feeding the other stuff for a while and see if limiting it to just that helps. Both Simon and my negative, Quincy, had struvite crystals at different points and giving antibiotics along with limiting to that food seemed to do the trick.
Thanks,
Michelle

In a message dated 2/2/05 11:39:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Since I learned about interstitial cystitis, I'm much more suspicious about bladder issues now. It COULD be a bacterial infection, but it could be struvite or oxalate crystals. Or, as in my Smoky's case, it could just be the whim of the gods. Has she had bacterial infections before? Even if you can't get a sample right now, I highly recommend switching her to the s/o diet sooutbreaks will be severely limited if not eliminated.

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Re: OT: What's you number?

2005-02-02 Thread Barb Moermond

LOL I only have two kitties, but also a husband. So one tuxedo with issues, one silver tiger and one spousal appendage:)TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
seven persians, one siberian, three maine coons/coon-a-bees, three dlhs; 2 foster coonies, one adult human (well, i pretend to be adult.). Cherie A Gabbert wrote: Hi All, I have 5 kitties right now, and I am debating on taking in 2 or 3  more, just out of curiosity what kind of numbers do you all  have...that would bring my count to 7 or 8, with a dog and a 5 year  old son, just curious?  Thanks CherieBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: UTI's

2005-02-02 Thread Barb Moermond

The Royal Canin S/O comes in dry as well as wet, so that's handy.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



The difficult thing about this with Lucy, though, is that she will not eat ANY wet food. Only dry food and baby food. But the Wysong Uretic is a dry food and seems to be ok.
Michelle

In a message dated 2/2/05 11:51:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i give mine Vit C (actually Belfied's MegaC plus) for the struvite crystals. the one cat that had oxalate crystals gets potassium citrate. they all get 200 iu Vit E daily in their food. No one gets any dry food anymore so have not had any more flutd problems(knock on wood!)

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Re: OT: What's you number?

2005-02-02 Thread Barb Moermond


dlh = domestic long-hair

Maine Coons are a specific breed
http://www.fanciers.com/breed-faqs/maine-coon-faq.html
Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What are dlhs, and what are maine coons?
CherieTenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: UTI's

2005-02-02 Thread Barb Moermond

Especially when those symptoms can be caused by several different things and each is usually treated differently.Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The big difference is, that when "we" get a UTI, we know what to do, when are furrbabies get it they do not understand...makes you feel so helpless :-((
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michelle-I know its such a pain, don't you wish they'd just pee in a cup. Anyway, I actually am a tech at a cat hospital so I hope this helps. First of all a pee sample off the floor is just fine, it'll have excess bacteria but so would a sample from the box with the special no-absorbant beads. Other than bacteria, excess white blood cells, blood, and certain skin cells, the vet is looking for crystals. They sound painful and they are thus the irritated bladder which leads to frequent urination and blood. The reason vets don't start antibiotics without a sample first is because based on the findings under the microscope done at the actual hospital the urine may need to be sent out for a culture and sensitivity to determine which antibiotics the little bugs are sensitive to. If a cat has already been on antibiotics it negates the whole test. Urinary tract infection is a co!
! mmon
term loosely used. Many time prescription diet and some antispasmodic and antiinflammatories are al!l thats needed. You have probably heard of males cats becoming "blocked", that is caused by crystals. It doesn't happenin females because they have a larger urethra. It can lead to stones in both males and females. Anyway my advice would be to stop the antibiotics (no sense using them if its not needed, and besides being felv+ she'll be getting enough through her life) and collect the pee off the floor :) If worse comes to worse your vet should be able to do cystocentesis, using a syriing to get urine through the belly into the bladder. Sounds bad but actually is often less painful than a shot. That way the sample is sterile and there is no extra bacteria introduced. My vet usually does this anyway if the client can afford it. 5.00 for the take home collection kit vs. 22 for the cystocentesis at my place. alot of times cats will be in the carrier on the way to the vet or !
on th! e
exam table, we just suck it up with a syringe- the there's no fee!:) I hope this helped, I don't know if any of you ladies have ever had a urinary tract infection but its the same for our little fur ladies- ouch!I hope she feels better soon, michellesincerely,KristiBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: Re: UTI's

2005-02-02 Thread Barb Moermond

likes spraying, likes being on meds or likes being locked away?? LOL

Smoky is doing fine - knock on wood - no further episodes, but he's going for a dental with an extraction on Monday. We all know our kits are made of rubber, but he can reach PAST the middle of the spot they'd shaved for his fentanyl patch.. sigh[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know my negative just got over having struvite crystals in fact otday she got her first normal test out of the last 3. But...she's still spraying!!! argh. I think the UTI gave her an excuse. She's on Buspar but its been 5 weeks with only slight success, one week to go then its on to prozac. I really don't want her on that but she just can't be locked away for the rest of her life, although I think she likes it??? From: Barb Moermond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2005/02/02 Wed PM 03:59:18 EST To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: UTI's Especially when those symptoms can be caused by several different things and each is usually treated differently. Cherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:The big difference is, that when "we" get a UTI, we know what to do, when are furrbabies get it they do not
understand...makes you feel so helpless :-(( Cherie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle- I know its such a pain, don't you wish they'd just pee in a cup. Anyway, I actually am a tech at a cat hospital so I hope this helps. First of all a pee sample off the floor is just fine, it'll have excess bacteria but so would a sample from the box with the special no-absorbant beads. Other than bacteria, excess white blood cells, blood, and certain skin cells, the vet is looking for crystals. They sound painful and they are thus the irritated bladder which leads to frequent urination and blood. The reason vets don't start antibiotics without a sample first is because based on the findings under the microscope done at the actual hospital the urine may need to be sent out for a culture and sensitivity to determine which antibiotics the little bugs are sensitive to. If a cat has already been on antibiotics it negates the whole test. Urinary tract
infection is a co! mmon term loosely used. Many time prescription diet and some antispasmodic and antiinflammatories are al! l thats needed. You have probably heard of males cats becoming "blocked", that is caused by crystals. It doesn't happenin females because they have a larger urethra. It can lead to stones in both males and females. Anyway my advice would be to stop the antibiotics (no sense using them if its not needed, and besides being felv+ she'll be getting enough through her life) and collect the pee off the floor :) If worse comes to worse your vet should be able to do cystocentesis, using a syriing to get urine through the belly into the bladder. Sounds bad but actually is often less painful than a shot. That way the sample is sterile and there is no extra bacteria introduced. My vet usually does this anyway if the client can afford it. 5.00 for the take home collection kit vs. 22 for the cystocentesis at my place. alot of times cats will be in the carr!
ier on
the way to the vet or on th! e exam table, we just suck it up with a syringe- the there's no fee!:) I hope this helped, I don't know if any of you ladies have ever had a urinary tract infection but its the same for our little fur ladies- ouch! I hope she feels better soon, michelle sincerely, Kristi Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous - Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anon!
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Re: Smokey

2005-02-02 Thread Barb Moermond

ah, if you check back in the archives - he'd been hit very hard with the UTI symptoms - I caught it when I saw fresh blood all over his peeper and the surrounding fur They had to keep him all day to get a sterile sample - the first two they'd pulled had so much blood in them they looked like they'd been taken from veins - one even had a clot. poor kitty:( Anyway, we'd started him on antibiotics and antispasmotics that day and the next day I went back a got a few doses of buprenex (oral pain med--$8 a dose ouch) and then Thursday morning he was absolutely miserable when all the meds wore off at the same time and so the vet and I talked about med options that would get him through the weekend w/o a trip to the emergency vet and we figured the most effective for him, in terms of steady pain-control and cost-effective for his mommy would be the patch. It worked like a charm - he was able to reach it and it did bother him a bit, but there was !
a nickel
sized patch that really stayed stuck, so he dried it out:)

I believe we're giving him another patch Monday to help him through the first few days post-extraction. Yes, Smoky has a sweet tooth just like his mommy and has a cavity (lesion) sigh of course, it's DADDY who feeds him muffins and cookies!!! Hubby is such an enabler![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
good luck to Smokey on Monday...why the patch?Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: Smokey

2005-02-02 Thread Barb Moermond

oh and his urinalysis during the worst of the symptoms, his pH was at about 6 - he had 2-3 wbc/hpf, his wbc was 17.2 - increased bands circulation and one insignificant bacteria colony (they did a culture). the rbc under the sediment section was TNTC/hpf fresh and something else - can't read it - I'm assuming the TNTC means too numerous to count.

his follow up three weeks later (about 10 days ago) - his wbc was down to 7.2 - no banded neutrophils

oh, I ask for copies of all lab results - whether or not I understand them without asking a ton of questions - which I do and they are very good with:)Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

ah, if you check back in the archives - he'd been hit very hard with the UTI symptoms - I caught it when I saw fresh blood all over his peeper and the surrounding fur They had to keep him all day to get a sterile sample - the first two they'd pulled had so much blood in them they looked like they'd been taken from veins - one even had a clot. poor kitty:( Anyway, we'd started him on antibiotics and antispasmotics that day and the next day I went back a got a few doses of buprenex (oral pain med--$8 a dose ouch) and then Thursday morning he was absolutely miserable when all the meds wore off at the same time and so the vet and I talked about med options that would get him through the weekend w/o a trip to the emergency vet and we figured the most effective for him, in terms of steady pain-control and cost-effective for his mommy would be the patch. It worked like a charm - he was able to reach it and it did bother him a bit, but there was !
! a
nickel sized patch that really stayed stuck, so he dried it out:)

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Re: UTI's

2005-02-02 Thread Barb Moermond

if your vet approves something with cranberry in it, that's fine. But when I was talking to my vet about possible treats for Smoky - she wanted to completely avoid the cranberry because it raises the pH of the urine. Cranberry can be the perfect thing, depending on what is going on in that bladder - or it could be the worst thing. Struvite crystals and oxalate form at different pH levels, so unless you know what the problem is for sure, then I'd be careful with the cranberry.Sue Feldbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My felv+ was getting a lot of UTI's. We tried many things from the doc., some helped temporarily, some didn't help at all. Then, I tried No-Fus. You can get it in almost any pet store or online. It's a cranberry,etc. supplement, and it's a maintenance thing. She hasn't had a UTI since.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.netTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: UTI'sDate: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:39:36 ESTBecause she goes frequently from the UTI, it's not that much at a time. Iput her on Baytril and will see how she does on that. If she is not all betterin a day or two I will try more things.Thanks,MichelleIn a message dated 2/2/05 2:54:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:If you absolutely !
need to
get a sample, would she go in shreddednewspaper..If you know when she's urinated there should be enough of a'pool' for sample. Also, you can do the same if she pees on the floor (notthat I suggest encouraging that!) but in a pinchBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: UTI's

2005-02-02 Thread Barb Moermond

LOL mine almost always go when I do!! *giggle*Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's another off the wall suggestion... If the litter box Lucy is using is in the bathroom, you might try it. I want you to know, I wouldn't share this with anyone other than those on this list... I find that my kitties use the litter box after a) I've just cleaned it, (sometimes while I'm cleaning it), and b) when I'm going to the bathroom myself! I don't know if it's because I'm their surrogate mom, (I've had them since they were only 2 1/2 weeks old), or it's just some sort of natural comaraderie thing. I can just hear everyone thanking me for the visual!NinaNina wrote: Well, there's an exercise in frustration for you. I don't like the idea of them having to extract the urine sample from the bladder, it seems very stressful to put her through that. I'd avoid it, if I could. Don't wait too !
long
though. I'd put some sort of time limit on giving the things you're trying time to work. If it's possible to know exactly why Lucy's experiencing these symptoms, there may be a relatively quick fix. I'm sorry I didn't do some more drastic intervention with Gypsy when she was healthier. I wish I had a reliable crystal ball to help me make some of the decisions around here. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a good idea. I'll try it if I have to, if the Baytril does not do the trick. The problem is I need to sit with her and wait, because she is with 2 others and I do not want to sample their urine instead. I waited over 30 minutes with the Nosorb pellets and I could tell she really needed to go, but she refused until I finally put her litter back and then she ran in the box and went. Michelle
In a message dated 2/2/05 3:03:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris' answer reminded me of something Sally had suggested when I was trying in vain to get a liquid stool sample from Gypsy. Because the litter was too absorbent, she suggested using tiny aquarium stones in the litter box. Do you think Lucy would comply with that? Nina Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: Smokey

2005-02-02 Thread Barb Moermond

Thanks!! I'll need all the good vibes I can get to get him in the carrier Monday morning!!! At least I have the weekend to rest up for it!!! LOL[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I send all kinds of good vibes for your Smokey from my Angel Smokey at the Vets office... :)

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Re: UTI's, drug dosages, and new research

2005-02-02 Thread Barb Moermond

if you do a search, use the term "feline interstitial cystitis" another termis idiopathic cystitis because they don't know what causes it. It's certainly not just girl cats because Smoky is a boy:)

Humans also suffer from this condition and it is very frustrating for patients and doctors.

here is a link to a page that clearly explains the various urinary problems that kitties get:
http://www.baybeachvet.com/flutd.html

here is the link to the most helpful article I'd found when this hit last month (granted, it's a study published in a specialty journal) :
http://ajprenal.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/278/4/F540

here is a bit from that study that succinctly sums it up:

"Interstitial cystitis (IC) is a chronic debilitating syndrome characterized by all of the symptoms of acute bacterial cystitis, including frequency, urgency, nocturia, and bladder/pelvic pain, without any abnormal findings on conventional urine culture and cytology studies."
TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

another thing that my vet JUST told me about last month, when one of my girls was showing all the signs of an UTI, is that there's new research about girl cats and UTIs that indicate that some will just have symptoms with NO infection at all--that despite all indications, nothing will culture out and the symptoms will go away on their own. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: Just thought you could use a laugh

2005-02-01 Thread Barb Moermond

LOL you would love how I have mine! They leave the sansevieria alone, but all of my other plants are on a 4 shelf baker's rack that is faced to the patio door - maybe 6 inches in between - room for a walk by, but not much else. The back and sides of the rack are wrapped in garden hex wire I think I have some pictures of a couple of my plants on it, so you can see what I did:) LOL too funny - I also have a garden at work - I have mostly desert plants, cacti and succulents - I gave up on green leafy for at home - Smoky just likes salad way too much. Bandit just plays gravity with whatever he can knock over.Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After reading how some of you on this list actually own real live houseplants, I can now believe anything. LOLFrom: Cherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.netTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Just thought you could use a laughDate: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:36:33 -0800 (PST)MIME-Version: 1.0Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc4-f24.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:37:03 -0800Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j11Ib6p14215for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:37:06 -0600Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:37:04 -0600 (CST)Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/!
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Re: Leeloo is at rest

2005-01-28 Thread Barb Moermond

Me too:) I love the way my boys smell, especially Smoky's paws:)Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just the other day, I was breathing deep with my nose buried in Jazz's fur thinking, if anyone knew how much I love the way my kittens smell, they'd think I was crazy. That's one of the reasons I love this list; you make me feel less crazy.Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Steve, Dale had a unique odor when he was a kitten and had a liver shunt. I miss it now sometimes - because of the emotional stuff we went through back then, not because of what his odor meant. I would never wish what we went through on anyone, and I would prefer not to have to go through it again, but anytime I was going to be gone for more than 2 hours, Dale either went with me or went to a baby sitter along with a credit card and ER vet phone number and driving directions with inst!
ructions
to keep him warm and go there immediately if he had anything weird happen. He had an ammonia-ish kind of smell (because his body was using the respiratory system to get rid of the ammonia and other toxins his liver would've removed). Back then, I didn't have any FeLV+'s and I'd lay down in bed alone and wake up with 18 cats in bed with me. Because of Dale's odor, when he came up to snuggle in bed in the middle of the night, I could tell it was him even when it was pitch black in my room. In a message dated 1/24/2005 3:12:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks you Kathy. It is very kind of you to light a candle. Your Sarah sounds beautiful too. We do all think our cats are physically beautiful, but I think it is a natural outcome of their unique personalities and how much we love them, just as it is with our human
loved-ones. I didn't mention how sweet Leeloo smelled. I didn't know a cat could have such wonderful perfume!? She smelled much much different than Loki. I love your tag line. SteveKathy "There is nothing so strong as gentleness, and there is nothing so gentle as real strength." ~ Sir Francis de SatesBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: Belinda please add Levi to CLS

2005-01-27 Thread Barb Moermond

I'm so sorry Kerry... Our thoughts and tears are with you.

hugsKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Belinda,could you please add my fearless little warrior Levi to the CLS. 

Levi was put to sleep on Wednesday evening1/25 at around 8pm. I was toldhis hemocrit had dropped to 7.5. and his mouth had many ulcers.

It wasn't a peaceful passing and I feel distraught and anguished about how the poor little soul ended his life.

I would like to explain it later and get feedback. I'm still processing it. 

I will miss him the little soul. I had already begun to miss his swiping me. He was the smallest and lightest of the crew, yet he was always the Great Protector of all of them---ready to bat me ifI dared to try touch any of them.

Thank you everyone meantime for your thoughts and support. It's bleak enough, but it would beevenbleaker without your kindness and support.

Please say a prayer for Levi, and all the furballs who are still fighting for their lives.

Thanks, Kerry

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Re: Smokey...Boss Man

2005-01-27 Thread Barb Moermond

HUGS[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Morning everyone,
This is to let you Smokey lost his battle a few hours ago. I tried to stay up with him as long as I could. When I feel into a deep asleep I heard some noises. I flew up and seen that Smokey had passed on. So he managed to go when he caught me off guard. It will be tough not having him around since he has been my friend and faithful companion for so many years.
Nowhe is at the bridge where there is no sickness and all furangels are healthy again. The time will come when I will rejoin him with all my other furangels that have passed on.
Thank you for all your kind words and thoughts :(

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Re: Gypsy's experience at the vet

2005-01-26 Thread Barb Moermond

We do a similar thing with Smoky because he gets so scared at the vet. When I open the carrier (it's a pretty big one for kitties, but they both fit in it comfortably) Bandit will come out, but Smoky won't - once, it took two of to get him out, I'd had a piece of carpet glued to the bottom and he was hanging on for all he was worth and he is STRONG. So, since that was so traumatic, we just take the top of the carrier off and lift it up onto the table - we don't really need a towel over him, as long as he can back into a corner. Let me tell you though, some of the techs have trouble handling him - he's just too big and strong and doesn't like being held/handled by his mom at home, let alone his aunties at the clinic. Sadly, Bandit has also become less adventurous at the vet - the last time I had them in for a regular check-up appt, I unscrewed the top of the carrier and lifted it onto the bench in the room - Bandit kind of flowed.. up onto th!
e bench
under the carrier lid as we moved it - never really saw him. And he has taken to hiding under the lid of the carrier when it's not his turn.

I am very glad you have found such a compassionate vet! They are treasures that are too few and too far between.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We just got back from the vet. What a wonderful human this woman is. I sprayed the carrier with Feliway and put the Rescue Remedy on Gypsy's ear about an hour before we left, (thank you so much for suggesting them, I think they may have helped). She was, of course, still scared to death. I was trying to be calm, but I was pretty scared too. My fantastic husband took the morning off to come with us, (Bruce is Gypsy's favorite human), and I'm sure his presence helped as well. The vet thinks Gypsy has a chance to pull through! She's put her on a bland diet, boiled chicken breast and "Kombu and Cruciferous veggies (cabbages) when boiling chicken", feeding her the broth as well. I'd done this before, but I guess I didn't give it long enough. She also sent me home with Vita B12 to inject SQ twice a week. I had been giving her the
sublingual, but that isn't nearly as effective as the shot. That should give her energy and supplement the B12 she's losing due to the IBD. She also gave me a supplement called "Nutrigest" to add to her food. There's a ton of things in it, including the L-Glutamine, Probiotic cultures, Aloe extract, Folic Acid, if you're interested I'll send you the full list of ingredients. I'm not clear if she wants me to take her off the Methylpred shots and Metronidazole yet, I'm waiting for a call from the office. She also preformed acupuncture on Gypsy. Something I would have never imagined her to sit still for, but she did!Something else I wanted to tell you guys, was the way in which she examined Gypsy. We put the carrier on the table and covered it with a couple of towels, then we slowly removed the top of the carrier and covered her with the towel. She felt comfortable enough to stay there in the bottom part of the carrier, h!
idden in
the towel, and let the doctor examine her and give her the acupuncture. What a simple, yet brilliant idea! I'm going to use it with all my babies when they're scared at the vets. This is the first time Gypsy has been able to be examined without having to drug her. I'm telling you, I love this vet!Thanks again for all the support!NinaBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: I'm losing my Gypsy

2005-01-25 Thread Barb Moermond

here is the link:

http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/glutamine4-4.html
Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Barb,Thank you so much for the info on the L-Glutamine. I guess I'm going to the health food store tomorrow! I'd be very interested to read the abstract on it!NinaBarb Moermond wrote:

I give L-Glutamine to my boys (along with prozyme) because Smoky has had chronic g/i issues and Bandit's intestines showed thickened walls during an ultrasound (he had significant weight loss - he's a tall skinny guy at 10lbs and he was down to just over 8:( )one of his kidneys palpated as being much smaller than normal too. Anyway, you can get capsules or loose powder at a health food store or holistic pharmacy, no prescription needed. I have an abstract on L-Glutamine's positive effects on the intestines somewhere - if anyone wants it (and I can find it), email me and I'll send it off-list.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Michelle,I think I've heard that an new study has shown that Autistic kids (who also have a terrible time with diarrhea), have deficiencies of Glutathyamine (sp?). Very interesting that L-Glutamine sounds so very similar. I haven't tried it, haven't heard of it, until now. I doubt my house call vet, will have heard of it either. He's a very nice man, but isn't much of a help. I'm sure if I need a prescription, he'll write it though. It's very exciting to know there are things that I haven't tried yet. I just hope she can hang in there long enough to keep trying. I know you understand that all too well. Please, yes, if you can find the name of the over the counter product, I'll ask Gracie's internist about it. Now that you mention it, slippery elm had been suggested at one time also. If it's wh!
at I'm !
thinking of, someone told me it's gnarl y tasting, and if Gypsy won't eat it, then I can't give it to her. Of course, if there is something that is going to save her life, I'll take my scratches and force it down her.I was out at a lesson and haven't been able to respond until now, of course it's okay for you to cross post! I appreciate any and all help I can get. You can copy and cross post anything I write, anytime you want to.Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Oh Nina, I am so sorry. An herbal or east/west vet would be a good idea. Also, have you tried giving her L-Glutamine, which is an amino acid that helps build the intestinal walls? When our dog Nubi had terrible intestinal problems after radiation a vet told us to give her this. Also something in the drug store, over the counter, that is a nutritional supplement for humans with IBS/IBD and is fairly new. I will look for the name of it. Both seemed to help her. I am not sure they are ok for cats, but it is worth checking. Slippery elm is good for diarrhea, nausea, and other problems and maybe could help? If you don't mind, I can post your message on the feline lymphoma list-serve, because there are a lot of people on there who have cats with IBD who might be able to help. Let me know if this is ok.
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Re: I'm losing my Gypsy

2005-01-25 Thread Barb Moermond

This is definitely something worth sharing with your vet(s). L-Glutamine is a pretty amazing substance.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you Barb, I'm printing it out as I type!NinaBarb Moermond wrote:

here is the link:

I give L-Glutamine to my boys (along with prozyme) because Smoky has had chronic g/i issues and Bandit's intestines showed thickened walls during an ultrasound (he had significant weight loss - he's a tall skinny guy at 10lbs and he was down to just over 8:( )one of his kidneys palpated as being much smaller than normal too. Anyway, you can get capsules or loose powder at a health food store or holistic pharmacy, no prescription needed. I have an abstract on L-Glutamine's positive effects on the intestines somewhere - if anyone wants it (and I can find it), email me and I'll send it off-list.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Michelle,I think I've heard that an new study has shown that Autistic kids (who also have a terrible time with diarrhea), have deficiencies of Glutathyamine (sp?). Very interesting that L-Glutamine sounds so very similar. I haven't tried it, haven't heard of it, until now. I doubt my house call vet, will have heard of it either. He's a very nice man, but isn't much of a help. I'm sure if I need a prescription, he'll write it though. It's very exciting to know there are things that I haven't tried yet. I just hope she can hang in there long enough to keep trying. I know you understand that all too well. Please, yes, if you can find the name of the over the counter product, I'll ask Gracie's internist about it. Now that you mention it, slippery elm had been suggested at one time also. If it's wh!
! at I'm
! thinking of, someone told me it's gnarl y tasting, and if Gypsy won't eat it, then I can't give it to her. Of course, if there is something that is going to save her life, I'll take my scratches and force it down her.I was out at a lesson and haven't been able to respond until now, of course it's okay for you to cross post! I appreciate any and all help I can get. You can copy and cross post anything I write, anytime you want to.Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Re: I'm losing my Gypsy

2005-01-24 Thread Barb Moermond

I give L-Glutamine to my boys (along with prozyme) because Smoky has had chronic g/i issues and Bandit's intestines showed thickened walls during an ultrasound (he had significant weight loss - he's a tall skinny guy at 10lbs and he was down to just over 8:( )one of his kidneys palpated as being much smaller than normal too. Anyway, you can get capsules or loose powder at a health food store or holistic pharmacy, no prescription needed. I have an abstract on L-Glutamine's positive effects on the intestines somewhere - if anyone wants it (and I can find it), email me and I'll send it off-list.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Michelle,I think I've heard that an new study has shown that Autistic kids (who also have a terrible time with diarrhea), have deficiencies of Glutathyamine (sp?). Very interesting that L-Glutamine sounds so very similar. I haven't tried it, haven't heard of it, until now. I doubt my house call vet, will have heard of it either. He's a very nice man, but isn't much of a help. I'm sure if I need a prescription, he'll write it though. It's very exciting to know there are things that I haven't tried yet. I just hope she can hang in there long enough to keep trying. I know you understand that all too well. Please, yes, if you can find the name of the over the counter product, I'll ask Gracie's internist about it. Now that you mention it, slippery elm had been suggested at one time also. If it's what I'm !
thinking
of, someone told me it's gnarl y tasting, and if Gypsy won't eat it, then I can't give it to her. Of course, if there is something that is going to save her life, I'll take my scratches and force it down her.I was out at a lesson and haven't been able to respond until now, of course it's okay for you to cross post! I appreciate any and all help I can get. You can copy and cross post anything I write, anytime you want to.Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: My Smokey's time is near....

2005-01-22 Thread Barb Moermond

Oh Terrie, I'm so sorry. I know that it'sone of the hardest things ever to lose such an old friend, but remember what we'd talked about a while ago - think of how amazing his life has been and how lucky he is to be simply wearing out. And he's had the best home ever w/you formore yearsthan most cats get to see. My Smoky and I are sendingquiet and peaceful passing vibes to your Boss Man and calm and strength to you and your husband. Our thoughtsare with you.

HUGS[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi all,
I write this with a heavy heart and trying to keep from crying but it's hard. My eyes are blurry.
My 19yr old Smokey (Russian Blue) health is starting to fail I've had him since he was a baby. He was a rescue from Irving, TX. He is negative for FELV. His health has been declining for the past month now.
He is starting to not make it to his litterbox now due to being weak.
His appetite is decreasing. I have been giving him supplements and whatever he wants to eat at all times. He is still eating and drinking some not enough food. I've tried force feeding him but he will gag almost throw up. He has always been a heavy water drinker so it's not his kidneys been checked out for that prior.
His vision also is declining. His eyes are cloudy.
He has drop from 23 pounds to 6 pounds now. He is having problems walking and I'm afraid by placing him on the furniture or beds he will break one of his legs.
My Vets noted that he would be much happier at home and be stress free. They said that his body is old/tired and wouldn't be able to stand any treatments. My husband and I been talking that we want him to pass on here at home. My husband thinks he won't make it past the weekend. I will be putting him in one of my nice open crates in a bit to confine him but still be in the room with us. By doing so his food/water/litterbox will be right there with him. Let him come out whenever he wants when we are present. It makes it hard when I have other kitties roaming they think it's okay to go into the crate.
Smokey doesn't appear to be in pain just weak and tired. He is doing alot of sleeping. His body is just worn out. He has seen alot of kitties come and go positives/negatives. Heis the "Boss Man" as my husband puts it. Now he is stepping down to let the next oldest to take over.
I ask for all your thoughts, vibes, and prayers for a safe and quiet passing for my Smokey if this should be his time.
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Re: For Dr. Susan - thanks

2005-01-22 Thread Barb Moermond

probably plant growing bulbs - my mom has a shelving unit that was made for growing plants inside and she has it in the basement and starts her garden down there in the spring - I bet a nursery or garden supply place would either have some or know where you could get them

my SAD light was prescribed, so I only had to do the co-pay - but the SAD light boxes are NOT cheap, definitelycatatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What did you buy that you can put in your house? The 'sad' lights (seasonal affective disorder) are VERY expensive from what I've heard
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It's funny you say that (I wonder what's in the air?) because I went out yesterday and purchased some of those bulbs to put in the FeLV "habitat" and am considering buying a bunch for the house. I myself suffer from depressive swings during the winter, and being in this lightless apartment has been very difficult for me. I figure anything I can do to help us all is a good thing.

In a message dated 1/22/2005 2:44:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
maybe you could use on of those specila lights which project the goodkind of uv light. i rememeber i used one for a litter of kittens whenthey had to be separated from the mother at a very young age, and itworked very well.macarena

RE: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi

2005-01-21 Thread Barb Moermond

maybe a little bit warmer than room temp - give it a taste yourself and see what you think of warm/room temp vs cold:)"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

ok, thanks Barb. Would you recommend it be warmed or no? Kerry

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:30 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi
oh, with the alfalfa, you would want extract most likely. try to find it in glycerin instead of alcohol. if you can't, then you can boil the alcohol off so the taste isn't so icky."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Tamara, Faye, Cherie, Nina, Terrie, and Barb (and anyone else I may have inadvertently left out) -- thank you so much. I have quite a few ideas to try out tonight!
Will keep you posted--Kerry

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:14 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi
Hi Kerry,

I've found with Quintapus, its not always WHAT I feed him, but HOW. He is a CRF cat (not felv), and just getting them to eat can be a trial. BUT, I've found that these have helped:

1) When he looks interested in the food, but licks his lips and backs off or runs away.its most likely sour belly and 1/4 of a Pepcid A/C, once or twice a day (CHECK WITH VET FIRST) wrapped in a treat and poked down his ol' gullet will have him hungry and eating within 1/2 hr.

2) With cats, its often the food receptical..not the food. If they got nauseous after eating then they may not only associate that food with making them sick, but the bowl. I have a varity of bowls, different sizes, and colors for Quintapus now.

3) For some reason, Q likes to be fed with a spoon rising the food in the bowl (held over not out of the bowl). Canned food is so important to replace moisture in their bodies, but many cats don't like to get their whiskers, lips, noses in it, so eating it off the edge of a spoon seems to be agreeable. (Some days Q insists on a blue plastic spoon as opposed to a metal spoon -???- I have NO idea why??)

4) Raising the bowl above cat'sarmpit level. Just like with big dogs, I believe some cats get reflux if they have to dip their heads below their knees to eat. Raising the bowl helps the food stay down as the next bite is taken. (with suggestion #3 this is very easy to do)

5.) Liquify the canned food. Add water and mash until it looks like a thick broth...many cats don't like to chew their food and prefer to drink it instead. This also helps to keep them from becoming dehydrated.

6) Warm it for 10 or 20 seconds before feeding. esp. after adding water...helps to spread/blend the flavors and gives it a different consistancy.

7) Feed several small meals a day in addition to leaving food out all the timeex. dry can be left out, canned - feed special.

8) For older cats...often arthitis gives them a hard time of it...and they are SO stoic they won't let you know. Cosequin added to the food works for most after about 2 weeks, BUT for some reason, Cosequin and a treat for arthitis called "HIP CHIPS" has my Q not only playing again but eating with vigor as well!! I give him about 10-15 pcs. a day in addition to his cosequin and have been SO pleased with the results.

I hope some of this works for you!
TMacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Hi everyone Vet did tests on Levi yesterday, I'll get results tomorrow (he has decreased appetite, was scratching a lot when I made the apptment, doesn't play any more and sits in one spot, away from the others, all the time now). He used to be the fearless leader, and the most active. Loved playing too. Now he even lets me stroke him...which I want to be thrilled about, but I'm afraid it may be due to his feeling poorly. (I quite miss his batting me!) Thanks again for all yr ideas last week by the way re the scratching---the humidifier seems to have decreased his scratching. Vet checked him and says she is not concerned. Thinks it is dryness. Now I need to get him eating again...as of yesterday, he doesn't seem to want even his favorite foods (tho i suppose that could be due to stress of having to be ca!
! ! ught,
and then pinned down, and tested.) He didn't even jump down from his perch for the broiled chicken OR the dry Wellness food that he always totally adored. He's only a little thing---very bony, unlike the others--and I don't think he can afford to lose more weight. He is NOT dehydrated---what a relief. (I was dreading having to chase him every other day.) Vet mentioned Valium as appetite stimulant, but she did allow that I might want to look at other ideas first (she didn't offer any! Think she was indicating I should check with you wonderful guys--which of course I was going to do anyway.). I note catnip and baby food from previous emails that I filed. I will

Re: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi

2005-01-20 Thread Barb Moermond

cyproheptadine - the antihistamine - is frequently used as an appetite stimulant

a natural stimulant is alfalfa"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi everyone
Vet did tests on Levi yesterday, I'll get results tomorrow (he has decreased appetite, was scratching a lot when I made the apptment, doesn't play any more and sits in one spot, away from the others,all the time now).
He used to be the fearless leader, and the most active. Loved playing too.
Now he even lets me stroke him...which I want to be thrilled about, but I'm afraid it may be due to his feeling poorly. (I quite miss his batting me!)
Thanks againfor all yr ideas last week by the way re the scratching---the humidifier seems to have decreased his scratching. Vet checked him and says she is not concerned. Thinks it is dryness.
Now I need to get him eating again...as of yesterday, he doesn't seem to want even his favorite foods (tho i supposethat could be due to stress of having to be caught, and then pinned down, and tested.)
He didn't even jump down from his perch for the broiled chicken OR the dry Wellness food that he always totally adored.

He's only a little thing---very bony, unlike the others--and I don't think he can afford to lose more weight.
He is NOT dehydrated---what a relief. (I was dreading having to chase him every other day.)
Vet mentioned Valium as appetite stimulant, but she did allow thatI might want to look at other ideas first (she didn't offer any! Think she was indicating I should check with you wonderful guys--which of course I was going to do anyway.).
I note catnip and baby food from previous emails that I filed. I will certainly try these but would welcome other ideas too that anyone has had success with.
Thanks!!!
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RE: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi

2005-01-20 Thread Barb Moermond

oh, with the alfalfa, you would want extract most likely. try to find it in glycerin instead of alcohol. if you can't, then you can boil the alcohol off so the taste isn't so icky."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Tamara, Faye, Cherie, Nina, Terrie, and Barb (and anyone else I may have inadvertently left out) -- thank you so much. I have quite a few ideas to try out tonight!
Will keep you posted--Kerry

I've found with Quintapus, its not always WHAT I feed him, but HOW. He is a CRF cat (not felv), and just getting them to eat can be a trial. BUT, I've found that these have helped:

6) Warm it for 10 or 20 seconds before feeding. esp. after adding water...helps to spread/blend the flavors and gives it a different consistancy.

7) Feed several small meals a day in addition to leaving food out all the timeex. dry can be left out, canned - feed special.

I hope some of this works for you!
TMacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Hi everyone Vet did tests on Levi yesterday, I'll get results tomorrow (he has decreased appetite, was scratching a lot when I made the apptment, doesn't play any more and sits in one spot, away from the others, all the time now). He used to be the fearless leader, and the most active. Loved playing too. Now he even lets me stroke him...which I want to be thrilled about, but I'm afraid it may be due to his feeling poorly. (I quite miss his batting me!) Thanks again for all yr ideas last week by the way re the scratching---the humidifier seems to have decreased his scratching. Vet checked him and says she is not concerned. Thinks it is dryness. Now I need to get him eating again...as of yesterday, he doesn't seem to want even his favorite foods (tho i suppose that could be due to stress of having to be ca!
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Re: nasal vaccines

2005-01-19 Thread Barb Moermond

my clinic is in the process of switching from the intraocular/intranasal to a strictly intranasal, so it would be two drops in each nostril and it covers rhinotracheitis/calicivirus/panleukopenia

they do NOT use the FIP vaccine, think it's horrible

Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

my boys have always gotten that so it's been around a while (they're 6.5) - technically, it's intraocular/intranasal - they get a drop in each eye and each nostril

I'll double check what all is in it w/my clinic tomorrow[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I hadn't heard of an intranasal vaccines for cats for anything other than FIP (which can't be given in an injection) and I think bordatella (bordatella is an intranasal vaccine given to dogs also).

In a message dated 1/18/2005 11:23:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The intranasal vaccines are generally the combo rhinotracheitis/calicivirus and something else. I've never heard that the FIP was intranasal and my vets also don't give it.

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RE: nasal vaccines

2005-01-18 Thread Barb Moermond

But they certainly don't get them every year, I believe it's on a 3 year cycle.Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I know that when my boys have gotten their vacs, they get those. As I only have the two and they don't interact w/other kitties, I've had no problems whatsoever."Doljan, Joan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There has been a lively discussion on a breeder's health list I belong to (I am not a breeder) and it seems they are not as effective and have some other problems as well. I will try to do some research for you.

Joan

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Anyone know anything about these?

Intranasal/Intraocular Feline Vaccine @ ValleyVet.comBypasses problems associated with injectable vaccinations. Recommended for the vaccination of healthy, susceptible cats 4 weeks of age and older. A 0.2 ml intranasal dose provides protective immunity against feline rhinotracheitis, feline calicivirus, and panleukopenia (feline distemper) virus. If vaccinated at less than 12 weeks of age, a 2nd dose should be given at 12-16 weeks. Annual revaccination is recommended. Droppers included.Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous

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Re: nasal vaccines

2005-01-18 Thread Barb Moermond

The intranasal vaccines are generally the combo rhinotracheitis/calicivirus and something else. I've never heard that the FIP was intranasal and my vets also don't give it.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



In a message dated 1/18/2005 7:30:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If these vaccines are or FIP 95% of the vets where I live refuse to givethem. They believe that the vaccine has given FIP to the cats
Oh yeah, even the breeders won't give it... if yougo ahead andgive it to the kitty they will not warrant the kitty if it should become ill. 
I think that says something there too along with Vets.

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Re: nasal vaccines

2005-01-18 Thread Barb Moermond

my boys have always gotten that so it's been around a while (they're 6.5) - technically, it's intraocular/intranasal - they get a drop in each eye and each nostril

I'll double check what all is in it w/my clinic tomorrow[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




I hadn't heard of an intranasal vaccines for cats for anything other than FIP (which can't be given in an injection) and I think bordatella (bordatella is an intranasal vaccine given to dogs also).

In a message dated 1/18/2005 11:23:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The intranasal vaccines are generally the combo rhinotracheitis/calicivirus and something else. I've never heard that the FIP was intranasal and my vets also don't give it.


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Re: OMIGOD MR BEAN IS NEGATIVE

2005-01-14 Thread Barb Moermond

Here's some good news:

Smoky is feeling MUCH better, I took the fentanyl patch off on Tuesday and he's been very affectionate and obviously feeling very much himself. And last night, we were watching a movie and he slept on my arm for the whole thing . Every so often he'd look up at me and reach out a paw to touch my face... w

And we have a game plan if he sprouts those damn symptoms again but half his diet is now the prescription food so here's hoping!!Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You know, we should be better about posting good news. Heaven knows we all need it. In that vein, here's a little good news from my house:Yesterday Grace was feeling really crummy. When I'd hold her, I could feel her tremble. Major alarms going off in my head, of course. I've been putting her on and taking her off of Doxycycline for a long time now and never know if I'm doing the right thing when I stop giving it to her. I decided to take her temp, if it was normal, I'd wait and see if she started to feel better. Everyone's entitled to a bad day now and then, even FeLV kids. Her temp was normal (101.5), so I picked her up and put her on my chest for a nap. Both of us fell asleep almost immediately. Today, she's feeling chipper again, (of course now Jazz is dragging!). So there's my false alarm post, which IMO is always good
news!NinaFaye Lewis wrote: It is about time someone here had a break because this seems like it has been an unusually bad month for many people. I am so glad Mr. Bean is negative.Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: OT: Question for you guys...

2005-01-14 Thread Barb Moermond

howis he approaching and smacking? Bandit sometimes does this thing I call the "hyena slink and slap" where he approaches something very slowly and suspiciously with his hind-quarters much lower than his shoulders and reaches out with a paw and quickly slaps whatever it is and jumps back. He'll do this repeatedly when in the mood and it's quite funny to watch him, but he's done this off and on his whole life (6.5 yrs).[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi all,
Here is alittle background of the kitty I'm questioning about.
DSH Red/orange Tabby approximate age 5yrs
eating/drinking/using litterbox/playing when he feels like it
good health/FELV negative
He belongs to my Mom.

Okay, all the sudden he is smacking things like cords off of lamps on the floor.
Smacking the video tape holders and boxes.
These items are on the floor and I have witness him doing so. He just started doing this in the last few months.
Do you have any idea of why he is doing this?
I think it may have something to do with his neurological part of his brain. But I don't know I have alot of respect of what you guys say and think on this wonderful caring group.
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Re: Smoky

2005-01-14 Thread Barb Moermond

That's the best way for them to leave, just because they're worn out from a good long life of love:) You just treasure him while he's there and pamper him and give him some extra smoochies from auntie barb:)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yay...how sweet him touching you with his paw and sleeping with you. :)
I have a Smokey too he is 19yrs old his health is declining because his body is just wore out. He has seen alot come and go over the course of the years. His usual weight in the past was 22 pounds but has gone down to 8-9 pounds in the last two months.
All negative and positive kitties know him as the "Boss Man" of the herd here on the front! They know he is declining as well and respect him give him a lick or two on the top of his head with their tongues when passing by him.
The Vets have stated he has lived a good life with me that he is wearing out and he is tired. I've had him since he was a baby.
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Here's some good news:

And we have a game plan if he sprouts those damn symptoms again but half his diet is now the prescription food so here's hoping!!

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Re: OT: Question for you guys...

2005-01-14 Thread Barb Moermond

well, I wouldn't worry too much about it because that's a normal play behavior. Are any of those things new to the house? Maybe his eyesight is changing some? If nothing else, he has a new game:) Bandit will do it with things that have been around his whole life, but maybe there's a lump in the blanket that just strikes him as suspicious and he needs to make sure it isn't a monster waiting under there to attack him unawares.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That's is exactly what he does. I do have to admit it is funnier than hell to watch but don't understand why he is doing it all the sudden. He never this in the past I watch him grow from a kitten.

In a message dated 1/14/2005 1:43:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
howis he approaching and smacking? Bandit sometimes does this thing I call the "hyena slink and slap" where he approaches something very slowly and suspiciously with his hind-quarters much lower than his shoulders and reaches out with a paw and quickly slaps whatever it is and jumps back. He'll do this repeatedly when in the mood and it's quite funny to watch him, but he's done this off and on his whole life (6.5 yrs).

Re: Smoky

2005-01-14 Thread Barb Moermond

oooh sooo beautiful![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



In a message dated 1/14/2005 1:52:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That's the best way for them to leave, just because they're worn out from a good long life of love:) You just treasure him while he's there and pamper him and give him some extra smoochies from auntie barb:)
Thanks! I sure willhe will love that!
By the way he is a Russian Blue I forgot to mention that. He was a rescue from a backyard breeder in TX.

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Re: Smoky

2005-01-14 Thread Barb Moermond

oooh sooo beautiful![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 1/14/2005 1:52:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That's the best way for them to leave, just because they're worn out from a good long life of love:) You just treasure him while he's there and pamper him and give him some extra smoochies from auntie barb:)
Thanks! I sure willhe will love that!
By the way he is a Russian Blue I forgot to mention that. He was a rescue from a backyard breeder in TX.

Re: Tigger concern

2005-01-14 Thread Barb Moermond

It sounds like she could be eating too much too quickly. That can often have a um, bouncing effect. She could also have a big hairball she's trying to get out. Do you have any petromalt or other hairball slime on hand?Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Tigger my oldest (6) years old, is now having keeping Iams Hairball formula down, she eats it and vomits. She now is being really picky, more so than usual, and when she does eats it would appear she vomits even wet food back up, I have cleaned up 3 piles so far today. Should I concern myself with this, since I have just leanered about Amber being FeLV positive and Snowball passing, or am I being paranoid, since all those things just happened. 

Usually I would not concern myself with a little vomit, unless it goes on for a few days, because with so many and everyone mixing food, sometimes they do get sick, but since all this happened I am a little more concerned.

Thanks for listening
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Re: Simon walking around well-- Kathy and others

2005-01-13 Thread Barb Moermond

Michelle,
What you have in mind sounds good. You have to make a decision that you can live with down the road. The voracious appetite sounds like it's from the steroids. I had a cortisone shot about a month ago for tennis elbow and my appetite went through the roof!! Do what you think and feel will give Simon the best quality time, not the most time. Our thoughts are with you!![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kathy, thank you so much. Simon seems to be handling the meat ok. He wants mostly fishy stuff (which he had not wanted since getting sick) and the liver shake. I am feeding him every hour or so, and he generally eats a modest amount at a time. Except he empties the bowl of liver shake and licks it clean.I will ask for kidney values as well today. I am not sure if they have been doing it.What do you mean by good chance of remission? Would you do the chemo if he says that he has a 20% chance of remission? This oncologist tends to say 20% a lot. We have used him for two other animals, our dogs, and my partner, Gray, noticed that 20% seems to be the number he always uses. Gray thinks he pulls it out of a hat when he wants to make it seem like there is more than a nominal!
chance
but not so much chance he can be blamed in any way if you do it and it does not work. Then again, maybe studies back up the 20% figures, but these prognoses are so individual it is hard to see how there would be many very relevant studies on such things.I had basically thought that if his liver values are lower and the vet thinks he can give a dose of chemo without the need for Simon to stay in the hospital on IV fluids and not much more than usual chance of feeling sick, I will do it, but if he says Simon would have to stay in the hospital a few days in order to get the meds without risking getting very sick (he said that last week when he was giving options), I won't. Simon is so happy right now at home that I don't want to leave him in the hospital and risk him losing even this time-- and missing his purr therapy. Instead I would do more steroids on some sort of plan.Please let me know your thoughts if you get this before 1:30 EST, as th!
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Re: FeLV - PCR test

2005-01-12 Thread Barb Moermond

polymerase chain reaction - it's a way to do a DNA test with a small sample - it replicates the DNA of the sample so they can read it better[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




In a message dated 1/12/2005 5:04:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks Lisa. What does PCR stand for? Is that the bone marrow test?Nina
no its not the bone marrow test...that is actually a very invasive painful procedure...PCR ...I dont remember what it stands for..but they use a blood sample like they do for teh IFA and the ELISA test...HOWEVER it must be sent tothe lab differently..so make sure your vet knows before they draw blood for it what test you want...it looks at the genetic level of the cat..at the genetic level any change anywhere in teh body can be seenand the FeLV virus is a retrovirus..which means it alters teh cats genetic code

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Re: FeLV - PCR test

2005-01-12 Thread Barb Moermond

The bone marrow biopsy is the painful bit. I can NOT imagine any vet being able, let alone trying, to do one on an aware feline. You don't have to use bone marrow to have a PCR test, blood will work too.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




In a message dated 1/12/2005 11:29:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hey Lisa - just wondering - Why is it an invasive painful procedure? Gloria
b/c they must actually asspirate the bone marrow..which means they must actually go in with a small drill.../..BIG needle and puncture the bone...and remove bone marrow from inside...they usually do it while they are asleep I believe...but not always

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Re: third try, Growler is gone

2005-01-11 Thread Barb Moermond

Oh Melissa, I'm so sorry it came to this, but it sounds like you gave her every possible chance and did the kindest thing you could by helping her to the Bridge. Not that that makes it any easier to get through sending e-hugs HUGS[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The kidney workup came back normal and the CBC came back normal, if indicative of an FeLV positive status (slightly anemic, slightly elevated white blood cell count, all normal for an FeLV positive cat). The doctor was able to rule out infection and kidney problems, leaving two real options: either Growler had suffered a traumatic injury to her spine (and one which didn't show up on an x-ray and which would require invasive testing to diagnose), or the FeLV had invaded her bone marrow and in particular her spine. The doctor stated that he had only seen the latter happen once in an FeLV cat, but the symptoms seemed similar.The pain meds and steroid only made a minimal difference at first and gradually, her condition worsened. She was confined to a crate for crate rest but even still, she got to a point where she wouldn't move and!
where if
I pinched her back feet she made no effort to pull them away. She still had neurologic function in the legs and feet, but she was otherwise in too much pain or too weak to respond. Her condition was stressful to witness and began, I believe, to distress the other animals in the house. Even Wynnie, a hostile cat at best, worriedly passed Growler in the crate and occasionally paced by her. I made the decision this morning not to subject her to invasive testing as treatment would likely not be without risk, and would likely be lengthy and painful with no guarantee of success. I felt she had suffered more than enough and the best I could do was help her to her final rest and peace from pain.It was not a decision I took lightly; Growler is the first animal I have ever personally had euthanized. She was my special little girl, my feisty little runt and mama's kitten. I will miss her sweet little face so very much. She was my
first lap cat and my first real taming success. I didn't want to let her go, but I guess Zest needed her more.Melissa in NJ Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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RE: behavior change Q

2005-01-11 Thread Barb Moermond

well, he was actually sitting on the blanket, NOT your lap. big difference:) I've known cats who would sit on blankets or pillows, but NOT laps. I grew up with a kitty like that.

What kind of litter do you use? how many boxes are there and do you use the same litter in each and does he display this behavior at the same box? Whenever I refresh the litter, Bandit will eat some - and he'll do it off and on for a couple of days. I use 'World's Best Kitty Litter" - it's corn-based and biodegradable. If you're using a biodegradable litter, I wouldn't worry as much as if you're using a clay based one. THAT would be a sign of anemia.

Appetite off and behavior subdued... do his ears feel hot? how is his drinking and elimination? by how much is he not eating what he had been? How old is he now? what types of activity DOES he do? How quickly have these changes manifested? He might just be growing up! Bandit's behaviorhasn't really changed that much (so it seems) since he was 6 mos old, but I know it has - but he's clinically hyperactive - my problem child:) But Smoky really settled down after that 6-8 mos of absolute nutty behavior."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That's incredible!

I'm way behind you guys.

However, a little progress was made in the last few daysLevy, the most ferocious (if a small grey furball can be described as ferocious!) of the FeLV kitties, all feral, has..amazingly...once again deigned to sit on my lap. (Last time it happened was for a magical 30 minutes last April!)

Last night, he sat for a whole hour on the blanket that was spread over my legs and let me stroke him, first with a soft wand, then with MY HAND (this is unheard of), for most of that time.

I'm a little afraid it may be a sign he's succumbing to the FeLV...I sure hope not.

Actually I have a Q about Levy, who has changed his behavior in other ways recently.
As well as not playing any more, and eating less, I've now noticed him sticking his head, but not his body, into one of the litter boxes. He stays there for several seconds. What is he doing?! Is he eating litter d'you think?? And---I remember something about them eating cement (?) means they're anemic? Last night when I went to try and see what he was up to, he ran off, of course.
Any input appreciated! Kerry

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I have one that loves kisses. I can ask him if he wants a kiss and he will stand on his two hind legs and head butt my lips.

Iolaus loves to nurse on my ear lobe. I'll let him, but I'll ask him to give me a kiss first, and he will do a brief nurse on my lip, then go to my right ear lobe. Sometimes, if the lobe is especially good, he'll stop for a minute, give me a kiss, then go back at it. If I rub the side of his face with my hand, he'll rub the side of mine with his paw on that side, if I slip one hand behind his head, he slips one paw behind mine - it's like he's mirroring what I'm doing. It's too cute!
Then there is Simba. LOL Who is just not a touchy feely kinda guy... He is so funny. I get mushy with him and he acts like I am giving him cooties. Then he storms off in a huff for about 15 feet and then runs back and head butts my knees.That sounds like Tyr. Tyr wants to be petted and loved on, but can't take it for long - and when he's been playing and wants some loving, he'll come up like he's going to try to drop me like a wildebeast - especially if anyone else can see him. He'll race around the house to keep up with me, acting all "tuff" and stuff, but when I go into my room without him or without petting him, he looks like he's about to cry. He likes it when I run and hide from him, then when he catches me, I make a big deal out of how strong and bravehe is. He eatsit up!

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Re: FeLV

2005-01-10 Thread Barb Moermond

yes!!! my husband especially! LOL he's a convert - he's from Morocco and they don't have pets in the house there, so he wasn't really sure about the boys, but said nothing because they were here first. He loves them s much now!! He's always snuggling them and giving them kisses and they don't usually like the kisses:)Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

and don't forget all the kisses they get daily.whether they like it or not ;-))Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
That is what I hate too. Not knowing. Is this going to be the last good day with my babies? The good thing about it is that I don't take any time I have with them for granted. I tell them I love them over and over again, every single day.From: Cherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.netTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: FeLVDate: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:40:41 -0800 (PST)MIME-Version: 1.0Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc8-f1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:42:09 -0800Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0AEf9505895for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:41:09 -0600Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)!
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 FILETIME=[9037EEF0:01C4F722]I know, but sometimes I think I would like to know for sure.catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:That's the problem with the disease. It can hide/be dormant etc There's really no way to know if all your cats are 'safe'. That's why I've stopped testing my exposed cats unless they get sick. If they're positive I'm going to keep them anyway, and keep them mixed.tCherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Tonya,I just discovered after this tragedy that one other has it, but she had been tested for it in the past, so it must have just reared is't ugly head recently, she is now on Interferon.catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Hi Cherie,I'm so sorry about your loss of little Snowball. As you can see this is a very supportive group. I have just started catching up !
! on my
 emails. Did you say one of your other cats is also positive or that they are all negative?tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 1/7/2005 11:17:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Everyone has beed tested recently, my concern is that it happened so fast and so consuming.If everyone has been tested recently..and ALL were negative..then no one is sheding the virus...if his parents were 100% negative..I see absolutly no way he came into contact with the virus!!! UNLESS he got outside? did he mabey escape? even just onceIf all th cats were tested recently...and they were all negative..then I would call for an autopsy..this vet may have just "jumped to conclusions" based on..I dunno what...but with what you first said..about her deciding Snowball had FeLV based on her platelet and
 white blood cell count..and now that all your other kitties are 100% negativethere is NO WAY he was positive!!! UNLESS he did come into contact with another cat at somepoint...think..think ...think...Lisaand fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguarIndy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: OT - Smoky's bladder

2005-01-07 Thread Barb Moermond

yep, it's weird and that's the food that I've added to their mix.Smoky still has the fentanyl patch on, but he can reach it - he also figured out that if he curls up in the sink his skin moves so he can reach more of it bitter apple doesn't work on him and now he won't let either of us near him and since he's been feeling better (mostly just yesterday afternoon and evening, Bandit seems to have called off the truce. hubby says Bandit was picking on him this morning and that's the initial reason Smoky went under the bed. But when I put out their breakfast, Smoky had come out into the hallway, but as soon as he saw me facing him, he went straight back under the bed, so he hasn't gotten his antibiotics or anti-spasmotics this morning. The vet wants me/him to finish the course he's on even though the culture came back w/only one colony which is insignificant. He was feeling fine last night, bouncing around and being happy, but he
seriously won't let us near him anymore - VERY distrustful at this point. and it's a king size bed in a corner there's NO way to get him, which is kind of good, because he needs a safe place... but as of the glimpse I got of him this morning, the patch was still mostly attached, it's just loose around the edges aarrggghhh this is really frustrating, I'm waiting for the clinic to call back because I want to have some oral pain meds as a backup in case he does get the patch off.
The vet had also mentioned that sometimes when there are problems like interstitial cystitis, and with the bladder lining, some cats do well on the joint meds chondroitin/glucosamine because the bladder lining is so similar to the joint linings I thought that was very interesting.

I'll continue to keep you posted - I'm very thankful for all the good vibes coming his way, they've helped and it seems that he's over the worst of it - there doesn't seem to be any blood in his urine now and we just need to keep him stable:) and not peeing outside the box!! although, the puppy pads are a godsendmaca cats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Barb, this is weird, i just hung the phone with a friend of mine who hasa cat diagnosed 3 months ago with interstitial cystitis, and it is avery rare condition for a cat. I believe there about only a couple ofhundred casas registered. anyway, her cat has been strictly on royalcanin renal formula, dry, and the last exams came back 100% clean. sothere is hope.hugs for both of youmacarenaBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: Simon stopping chemo and does not have long

2005-01-07 Thread Barb Moermond

I am so sorry it's come to this. Euthanasia is a very difficult decision, but it helps to use some guidelines about the animal's quality of life. Are they eating? drinking? sleeping comfortably? playing? Are they "themselves"?If you get an answer of "no" for more than one, it should be considered as an option. Can you tell if they're in pain? What's in their eyes when you look at each other? I knew that what made Ninja "Ninja" was gone a day before the vet was able to come over. She wasn't eating or drinking or sleeping; she was just sitting there and I could tell she wasn't really there anymore. I know it can sound sappy, but you will know when it's time. You know your pet the best. I had been talking to Ninja and telling her that it was OK if she wanted to go on ahead, but she did have a very peaceful passing as the vet came to the house. I'm sending peaceful vibes to Simon in hopes that he !
has a
couple of comfortable days and a peaceful quiet passage to the Bridge.

HUGS[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I brought Simon in for the Adriamycin this morning, his 5th chemo treatment which he had to skip 3 days ago because his WBC was too low to get it. His WBC was back up towards normal, but his PCV had dropped to 15 and, more importantly, his bilirubin (liver values) were back up to 9. Normal is under .8 (that's .8, not 8-- less than one). On Tuesday he was at 2.5 and had been 1.3 the week before, so it has skyrocketed. He feels very sick and will not eat but I am syringing. The oncologist said he could not give a full dose of Adriamycin or even a half dose without probably killing Simon, because it needs to be processed through the liver and his liver is so extremely compromised. He said he could try a 1/4 dose of it, but that even this would likely make him sicker than he is and necessitate a weekend of IV fluids for any hope of him processing it, and there would only be a miniscule chance that such a low dose would curb such aggressive and advanced
cancer. It seems like Simon went into remission, or close to it, after 3 weeks of chemo, and then came out of remission within a week. Apparently FeLV+ cats respond to chemo like other cats, but come out of it with resistant cancers much more quickly. The oncologist was willing to do the 1/4 dose of Adriamycin or another drug I can not remember starting with a C and consisting of 3 letters, but said that he thought there was almost no chance of such low doses helping and that Simon would spend his last days in the hospital hooked up to IV, with strangers, and sicker. He said if Simon were his cat he would take him home and see if he can have a few days of semi-comfort. He gave him a shot of dex and a shot of depo to see if that would shrink the tumors a little and keep him more comfortable. The dex should have set in by now, but is not having any effect. He does not want to be touched much, fought me when I syringed him, and is mostly hiding by himself. I !
am
thinking of separating him from the other cats and keeping him in my bedroom so that he can be by himself without having to hide. He is turning bright yellow. I do not think he has very long at all. I am devastated. We fought this so hard-- 3 transfusions, 5 days of hospitalization, 5 chemo treatments all in the last month. Syringe feedings and sub q fluids. He has been through so much, and all it gave him was a week or two in the middle when he was eating some and playing some and cuddling with Ginger. At that point I thought it was worth it, and maybe it was. He is only 4 years old. I am not sure how long to let him go on like this. My partner is against euthanasia, and I usually am not willing to do it until it is clear they are in the process of dying. But it seems unlikely he will ever feel even remotely ok again.

If you pray, please pray for him to get some relief from the steroids and have at least a few more happy days, and then to go peacefully when he does go.
Thanks,
Michelle Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: OT - Smoky's bladder

2005-01-07 Thread Barb Moermond

Well, the vet said that as long as he is asymptomatic, that it was OK to give him a break on the pilling. I am going to pick up a few doses of the oral pain med (buprenex) just in case he gets the patch off this weekend. He's just too smart - I've tried the treat lure trick before and it doesn't work on him - he's hip to the plan and wants nothing to do with it. If we leave him alone and he comes out to eat and potty (hopefully in the litter box, w/NO blood), we'll just eyeball him to make sure the patch is still there but otherwise leave him alone - he's never been fond of being held, hates it actually, I know how to hold him so he doesn't fuss much, but with a cast on, I can't. And he's been messed with so much this last week that he wants NOTHING to do with us. But it is very good to see him moving so fast so easily and it's clear by his eyes and _expression_ that he's feeling better. And by the fact that Bandit has resumed his normal
behavior towards him. The little shite. I'm always grateful that he's so much smaller than Smoky; they are about the same height at the shoulder, but Bandit is one of those 2 dimensional kitties, very long and tall and no width:) he turns into a string when he stretches:) At the weigh-in on Tuesday, Smoky was back up to 17.5lbs even and Bandit was a hair under 10lbs.

Will keep collecting the vibes for my big boy and keep y'all posted:)Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Barb,What wonderful news that Smoky is improving! Hooray! The little stinker, now that he feels better, he's giving you a hard time. I would try calling him in a way he's not used to. A different kind of coo perhaps. Toss him something irresistible, a small piece of chicken maybe, just a small taste. Do this a couple of times, tossing the chicken closer and closer to the edge of the bed. The first couple of times he gets close enough to touch, let him have the treat without grabbing him, let him go back under the bed if he wants. Start calling him and making him follow you out into the open before giving him the treat. Let him eat the treat in the open without any negative results. Tell him how much you appreciate his cooperation. When he gets used to this, you'll be able to draw him out, dose him, give him more treat, an!
d let
him go. Hopefully, he'll begin to accept the negative (getting dosed), because of the payment (yummy treats).I'm so pleased it looks like he's going to be okay!NinaBarb Moermond wrote: yep, it's weird and that's the food that I've added to their mix. Smoky still has the fentanyl patch on, but he can reach it - he also figured out that if he curls up in the sink his skin moves so he can reach more of it bitter apple doesn't work on him and now he won't let either of us near him and since he's been feeling better (mostly just yesterday afternoon and evening, Bandit seems to have called off the truce. hubby says Bandit was picking on him this morning and that's the initial reason Smoky went under the bed. But when I put out their breakfast, Smoky had come out into the hallway, but as soon as he saw me facing him, he went straight back under the bed,!
so he
hasn't gotten his antibiotics or anti-spasmotics this morning. The vet wants me/him to finish the course he's on even though the culture came back w/only one colony which is insignificant. He was feeling fine last night, bouncing around and being happy, but he seriously won't let us near him anymore - VERY distrustful at this point. and it's a king size bed in a corner there's NO way to get him, which is kind of good, because he needs a safe place... but as of the glimpse I got of him this morning, the patch was still mostly attached, it's just loose around the edges aarrggghhh this is really frustrating, I'm waiting for the clinic to call back because I want to have some oral pain meds as a backup in case he does get the patch off. The vet had also mentioned that sometimes when there are problems like interstitial cystitis, and wi!
th the
bladder lining, some cats do well on the joint meds chondroitin/glucosamine because the bladder lining is so similar to the joint linings I thought that was very interesting. I'll continue to keep you posted - I'm very thankful for all the good vibes coming his way, they've helped and it seems that he's over the worst of it - there doesn't seem to be any blood in his urine now and we just need to keep him stable:) and not peeing outside the box!! although, the puppy pads are a godsend *//*Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: Simon is eating

2005-01-07 Thread Barb Moermond

That is so awesome!!! Go Simon!![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Either the steroids or your thoughts and prayers are kicking in, because when I just went in the bedroom to syringe feed Simon he was eating dry food! He did not eat that much by the looks of the bowl, but he was munching away and then climbed on me while I opened a new box, ate a few pieces of tender vittles, and then about 5 bites of wet food. I did not even give him any cipro this afternoon, assuming his appetite would not come back. He then laid down and is just purring non-stop and kneading. If you pray, please pray that this lasts a while. It is amazing how our expectations change-- this morning I was still hoping for remission, and now my heart is almost singing just because he is purring and eating a few bites of food, and hoping that it lasts even a few days. Seeing him feeling better, though, even if only for a few moments, makes me feel more like I made the right decision earlier today. Part of me thought I should have insisted on the Adriamycin b!
ecause he
was feeling so rotten anyway, on the slim chance it might help even though it would probably make him sick. I did not think he had much to lose. Now I see what he would have had to lose because he is feeling better and probably would not have (would have been in the hospital, actually). I just pray this continues for a few days, or even a few hours, as he seems so content. My partner thinks it is the prayers that are helping him, as there are studies showing that prayer does work (I am agnostic, but the studies do seem to show this), so please keep sending thoughts and prayers. I am praying also, figuring I can pray without deciding on a detailed ontology.
Thanks,
MichelleBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: OT - Smoky's bladder - update

2005-01-07 Thread Barb Moermond



well, he doesn't want to come out from under the bed, and that's actually OK, because there isn't enough room under there for him to mess with the patch.There also isn't enough room for Bandit to be such a jerk. I put his breakfast (he still hadn't eaten) just under the bed and locked Bandit out of the room and he ate it all so that's just the way I'll feed him for now. As he is about 3 pounds over-weight, big meals aren't a concern, just so long as he eats a little bit regularly that's fine. He came just within arms reach under the bed for hubby to give him some scritches, so he's feeling fine, he's just ultra-paranoid at the moment. Certainly not without reason! He actually sniffed my finger after he ate! Of course, the 2nd sniff gave him a static shock and whoosh, under the bed. It'll just take some time.Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no m!
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Re: OT - Smoky's bladder

2005-01-06 Thread Barb Moermond

Smoky had a verygood night - he climbed up into the "crow's nest" (top bowl on large cat tree) in the living room and seemed very comfortable andduring the wee hours he came to me in bed and was kneading me - hasn't done THAT in several days! At one point, he gave me the strongest leg rub he's ever given and on the return rub, he stopped and leaned into my leg and curled his neck/head around it and was just leaning into me... aaawww
But by the time I got up, his meds had worn off and he was VERY uncomfortable - frequent trips between box and pads and a lot of straining and very little coming out. I started the pain medicine - it's a liquid in an oral syringe, but had problems holding on to him as my left hand is in a cast. So I just put out their breakfast and let him eat a few minutes before snagging him (gently) and medicating him. Half an hour later, he was completely passed out on the floor in the hallway. Later, he wanted lovin' - at least 20 straight minutes of very firm cheek and behind the ear scritches. He was leaning VERY hard into my fingers. But the medicine really helps him and since I only have one more dose of the buprenex, I'm going to strongly suggest that the vet give me more and more acepromezine so we can get through the weekend with him comfortable - I'm not going to have him be that uncomfortable if I can help it. heh, the buprenex is !
~$8 a
dose... but for a few days, I don't care at all, I'll spend what I need to keep Smoky comfortable. And I have to say that I'm very proud of Bandit - he is being very good about not picking on his brother and he's even spending more time w/Smoky than with me, which is not usual, but I'm glad.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm glad to hear Smoky's home and resting comfortably. It sounds like you're all set, at least for tonight. I hear you on the cost for special food. And oh, my, my the vet bills! Let's pray for something that will be easily treated and clear up quick. Go snuggle in someplace comfy yourself.NinaBarb Moermond wrote: yep, found them at a pet store - got some disposable ones and also a washable anti-bacterial one. went back to the vet and got more of the prescription urinary food (royal canin s/o made by waltham) and some pain medicine for Smoky - buprenex. he seems pretty comfortable now - he napped while I was out running errands:) good to see him sleeping. they also said I could increase his dose of acepromezine (anti-spasmotic, for bladder and urethra) to 1/2 tab 2x day from 1/4 !
2x
day - so I split the rest of the pills and stuck them into gelcaps. so far so good. should have results from the culture tomorrow - it'll be interesting to see I'm hoping it's a simple infection... my poor baby:( but he's comfortably drugged and his appetite is fabulous and thank the gods that he likes the new prescription food!! I'm fated (probably like a lot of you guys) to have kitties w/weird problems - this food is v. pricey: $1.20 per 5.8! oz can and 9.85 for a 2.5lb bag of dry.. they eat better than I do. although, since I got married to a cook, things have been better on my menu:D will keep you guys posted - thanks for the vibes and please keep them coming */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: In a message dated 1/5/2005 2:14:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You should!
find
puppy pads in any fairly large pet store. They're used to paper train puppies. In a pinch, you can always use large baby diapers...same sort of thing as puppy pads except the puppy pads lie completely flat when you open them You can also get them in the incontinence aisle of most retailers... Lisa and fur-brats Akira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESS Lance- Mini wire haired dashchund Bow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel cross Bennie Bird-- Vampire cockatiel Anza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :) Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doin!
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RE: OT - Smoky's bladder

2005-01-06 Thread Barb Moermond

My vet is awesome, she asked how many doses I wanted and because the buprenex costs $8 a dose we also talked about a fentanyl patch and we're going to do that this afternoon and hope that he will leave the patch alone. The culture was insignificant and she's thinking it's an interstitial cystitis and we just have to keep him comfortable- he had a couple of piddles last night that had more volume and NO blood - he has had blood since, but he's comfy while drugged."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm going to strongly suggest that the vet give me more and more
I certainly hope he gives you the meds you want for Smoky, Barb,and you're not forced to do a grab 'n' run. Sounds like the drugs aregiving him aHUGE amount of comfort. That'sso goodto hear. Sending out lots of cyberhugs and positive vibes for Smoky (and beaming strong suggestion that vet plays ball).
Good luck take care, Kerry

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:19 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: OT - Smoky's bladder
Smoky had a verygood night - he climbed up into the "crow's nest" (top bowl on large cat tree) in the living room and seemed very comfortable andduring the wee hours he came to me in bed and was kneading me - hasn't done THAT in several days! At one point, he gave me the strongest leg rub he's ever given and on the return rub, he stopped and leaned into my leg and curled his neck/head around it and was just leaning into me... aaawww
But by the time I got up, his meds had worn off and he was VERY uncomfortable - frequent trips between box and pads and a lot of straining and very little coming out. I started the pain medicine - it's a liquid in an oral syringe, but had problems holding on to him as my left hand is in a cast. So I just put out their breakfast and let him eat a few minutes before snagging him (gently) and medicating him. Half an hour later, he was completely passed out on the floor in the hallway. Later, he wanted lovin' - at least 20 straight minutes of very firm cheek and behind the ear scritches. He was leaning VERY hard into my fingers. But the medicine really helps him and since I only have one more dose of the buprenex, I'm going to strongly suggest that the vet give me more and more acepromezine so we can get through the weekend with him comfortable - I'm not going to have him be that uncomfortable if I can help it. heh, the buprenex is !
! ~$8 a
dose... but for a few days, I don't care at all, I'll spend what I need to keep Smoky comfortable. And I have to say that I'm very proud of Bandit - he is being very good about not picking on his brother and he's even spending more time w/Smoky than with me, which is not usual, but I'm glad.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm glad to hear Smoky's home and resting comfortably. It sounds like you're all set, at least for tonight. I hear you on the cost for special food. And oh, my, my the vet bills! Let's pray for something that will be easily treated and clear up quick. Go snuggle in someplace comfy yourself.NinaBarb Moermond wrote: yep, found them at a pet store - got some disposable ones and also a washable anti-bacterial one. went back to the vet and got more of the prescription urinary food (royal canin s/o made by waltham) and some pain medicine for Smoky - buprenex. he seems pretty comfortable now - he napped while I was out running errands:) good to see him sleeping. they also said I could increase his dose of acepromezine (anti-spasmotic, for bladder and urethra) to 1/2 tab 2x day from 1/4 !
! 2x
day - so I split the rest of the pills and stuck them into gelcaps. so far so good. should have results from the culture tomorrow - it'll be interesting to see I'm hoping it's a simple infection... my poor baby:( but he's comfortably drugged and his appetite is fabulous and thank the gods that he likes the new prescription food!! I'm fated (probably like a lot of you guys) to have kitties w/weird problems - this food is v. pricey: $1.20 per 5.8! oz can and 9.85 for a 2.5lb bag of dry.. they eat better than I do. although, since I got married to a cook, things have been better on my menu:D will keep you guys posted - thanks for the vibes and please keep them coming */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: In a message dated 1/5/2005 2:14:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You should!
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Re: anyone else use ambrotose ?

2005-01-05 Thread Barb Moermond

I used ambrotose with Ninja several years ago - didn't hurt, but the lymphoma just hit too hard and fast. Her last two months were seizure free though:) I think that if she'd been diagnosed sooner and I'd discovered it sooner, things might have been different, but I don't worry about that because I did everything I could with what I had and she and I bonded amazingly during that time.
I would go ahead and get some more - it can't hurt and will probably help overall health.Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

my Chinese alternative medicine vet a few years ago recommended ambrotose along with some chinese immune enhancer. (he would never tell me the name of the chinese drug only saying he made it up himself). I tried both and Mr. Bean is doing okay-occassional minor pickiness at foodtime but I just usually have to swish the left over food around in the bowl and he comes back thinking i added new stuff. Mr. Bean is 7 years old and not 100% sure when he became positive--what happened was gingivitis and made our regular vet do bloodwork and when it came back positive, surprised us both. (bean was my first foster and had been tested as a kitten). Now he's on MegaC+, Prozyme, Vit E 200 , pet tinic, coQ10-20 mg.-all daily, vit a d 1x week and i only feed canned-wellness, merrick, eagle and no fish content.He's affectionate, fur is good adn he loves to play. He does stick his tongue out most of the time so i have to check his mouth for gingivitis.
clancy will eat any pill if put in a pill pocket and his age is undetermined-probably 7-8 yrs old now-came as a rescue foster and never left--was told he has allergies and that he had tested negative and utd on shots. only discovered he was postive when had to test my cats 3 years ago for potential blood donors. usually fine until wintertime and then bumps all over his skin. read this year to give him VitB 6 25 mcg and also the salmon oil capsules. everyone also gets Dancing paws Edible coat conditioner. I almost got thru a whole bag of missing link with the gang but they started leaving their food so switched to prozyme. clancy's skinisgreatand nowthe bottle of B6 is almost gone.
I stopped the chinese herb about a year ago--as most ofthe cats hated the taste.(vet is an hour away adn all the cats scream the whole way plus discovered I could get the ambrotose for less than half the price he was charging me from the company online.
my question after all this is about the ambrotose. should I reoder it? Jelly Roll was on it but he died last Nov. i had his sister Princess on it even tho she is negative--her only problem is her eyes--she has herpes which flares up and red runs from her eyes but it never seems to bother her. I hadn't planned on keeping her but the shelter thought no one would ever adopt her until her eyes cleared up so I kept her and even tho she rules the household-I have never regretted it. she gets Lysine 500 mg 2xday. if I forget her sneezing starts up and the snot flies. I did find halo pets eyewash helped clear up the problem but for a sweet cat, she turns into vampire kitty when it's eyedrop time and the session would stress her out and all the others so stopped.
thanks for listening,
Barbara

Re: OT - Smoky's bladder

2005-01-05 Thread Barb Moermond

yep, found them at a pet store - got some disposable ones and also a washable anti-bacterial one. went back to the vet and got more of the prescription urinary food (royal canin s/o made by waltham) and some pain medicine for Smoky - buprenex. he seems pretty comfortable now - he napped while I was out running errands:) good to see him sleeping. they also said I could increase his dose of acepromezine (anti-spasmotic, for bladder and urethra) to 1/2 tab 2x day from 1/4 2x day - so I split the rest of the pills and stuck them into gelcaps. so far so good. should have results from the culture tomorrow - it'll be interesting to see I'm hoping it's a simple infection... my poor baby:( but he's comfortably drugged and his appetite is fabulous and thank the gods that he likes the new prescription food!! I'm fated (probably like a lot of you guys) to have kitties w/weird problems - this food is v. pricey: $1.20 per 5.8!
oz can
and 9.85 for a 2.5lb bag of dry.. sigh they eat better than I do. although, since I got married to a cook, things have been better on my menu:D

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OT - Smoky's bladder

2005-01-04 Thread Barb Moermond

Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. He's been weird the last couple of days and I found fresh blood on his peeper this morning. I'd found a very bloody clump in the box yesterday, but I assumed it was fecal matter because that's what his chronic problem has been. I took the boys in this morning (Bandit was along for moral support) and I spoke to the vet once and she said that there was so much blood in the sterile sample they took that it was coagulating. oof. I'm waiting for her to call back with some test results on his blood and urine and I'm so worried about my big guy. Please send your magic vibes his way and my wallet's way, the bill is already at $350 I can cover this, but not much more - If I could afford it, nothing would be an issue, I have no problem spending the $$ on their care. it's just another worry - esp at this time of year... 

but hopefully we've caught this early, the piddle on the bed yesterday was not discolored at all... pray for him!!

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Re: OT - Smoky's bladder

2005-01-04 Thread Barb Moermond

His white blood cell count is pushing towards the higher end of normal (17000 with 19000 being the high end) and the cells look very young. They are trying to get a sterile urine sample for a culture, but his bladder is so sensitive that he'll spasm after straining and squirt out urine onto the counter. Frequently with blood clots. They haven't been able to do a urinalysis so far because there is so much blood. One draw looked like it came from a vein and not his bladder

his kidney and liver values are fine - although, looking at the fax, his creatinine is at the very high end of normal. his glucose is a bit above normal, but the vet said stress can do that. she gave him a couple of different drugs to make him more comfortable and he's not as fussy now.

I'm really worried about my big boy...Julie Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dear Barb,

Best wishes and good vibes on the way to Smoky and to you; hopefully it's "only" an infection and you caught it early!

I know what you mean about the vet bills! I keep telling myself to take deep breaths!

Love, Julie

Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. He's been weird the last couple of days and I found fresh blood on his peeper this morning. I'd found a very bloody clump in the box yesterday, but I assumed it was fecal matter because that's what his chronic problem has been. I took the boys in this morning (Bandit was along for moral support) and I spoke to the vet once and she said that there was so much blood in the sterile sample they took that it was coagulating. oof. I'm waiting for her to call back with some test results on his blood and urine and I'm so worried about my big guy. Please send your magic vibes his way and my wallet's way, the bill is already at $350 I can cover this, but not much more - If I could afford it, nothing would be an issue, I have no problem spending the $$ on their care. it's just another worry - esp at this time of year...

but hopefully we've caught this early, the piddle on the bed yesterday was not discolored at all... pray for him!!

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Re: OT - Smoky's bladder

2005-01-04 Thread Barb Moermond

LOL he may know I'm trying to help him, but he still won't forgive me for putting him in the carrier and taking out of the house! And Kerry said "little Smoky" I had to laugh, he's 17.5 pounds!! Relatively speaking, mammal-wise, that's small:)

This morning was nuts - I found the blood, had to call work to tell them I had to do the vet thing (and miss the meeting), but I'd already had an appointment to get my stitches out and cast on (I had carpal tunnel surgery last week) and then I had to wrangle the boys and drive CAREFULLY to the vet and then rush to the hospital for my stuff and then back to the vet to go over the estimate (ouch) and I visited the boys for a few minutes and Smoky was very happy to see me, although he did NOT come out from under the chair- Bandit was just scared, still in the carrier - I have a very soft pad in there, so it's quite comfy.

I have a great deal of confidence in my vet, this is just scary and I feel so bad for Smoky - he hates being out of the house and he's in pain and it could still be three or four different things going on

but last night he got a lovely gentle belly rub and was purring so loud my husband could hear him across the room - about 20' that's why his working name was Diesel:)

I will definitely keep y'all posted!!Thanks for the support and vibes!Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm so sorry about Smoky's troubles. I'm sure you're feeling overwhelmed with anxiety right now, try and take it one step at a time. You're doing everything you can to help him, I'm sure he knows that. I'm sending you and Smoky love and healing energy.NinaBarb Moermond wrote: Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. He's been weird the last couple of days and I found fresh blood on his peeper this morning. I'd found a very bloody clump in the box yesterday, but I assumed it was fecal matter because that's what his chronic problem has been. I took the boys in this morning (Bandit was along for moral support) and I spoke to the vet once and she said that there was so much blood in the sterile sample they took that it was
coagulating. oof. I'm waiting for her to call back with some test results on his blood and urine and I'm so worried about my big guy. Please send your magic vibes his way and my wallet's way, the bill is already at $350 I can cover this, but not much more - If I could afford it, nothing would be an issue, I have no problem spending the $$ on their care. it's just another worry - esp at this time of year... but hopefully we've caught this early, the piddle on the bed yesterday was not discolored at all... pray for him!! Thanks folks! Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!!
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Re: food dilemma

2005-01-04 Thread Barb Moermond

Do all of them partake at treat time? I sprinkle the prozyme on their dry food. I occasionally also use L-glutamine (intestinal health). Bandit has problems keeping his weight up too - he's usually somewhere between 9.5-10 pounds, he was 9lb15oz this morning so that's good:)
Can you get Eagle Pack in your area? here's a link to their site:
http://www.eaglepack.com/pages/which_cat.html

they also have a search available for you to find the nearest retailer who either stocks or will order it for you

other than that I really don't know - Smoky is difficult that way - he's too darn smart.

"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ok, I'm laughing now too Barb. One of my negs, Tiger, weighs 17lb. Eats everything I put in front of him like there was no tomorrow. I've tried weaning all 3 negs off the dry Wellness (too many carbs says the vet, altho it wasthe very same vetthat had me change them to the dry a few years ago in tune with the thinking then, grrr) to Wellness wet food but no go. Trixie, neg 2, who doesn't need to lose weight, lost 2 lb, because she wasn't eating the wet food. Not good!
Here'sa Q I've been pondering on the subject of my FeLV positives and food.
For 11 months, until we lost Caramel, they all had an ok appetite. There were 6 then, eating 3 x 14 oz cans a day between them, plus some dry food as a treat at "lights out" time. I added between 10-13 supplements to the wet food morning and night, for 11 months.
After we lost Caramel, the appetite of the remaining 5 significantly diminished. They were now eating 2 x 14 oz cans per day total. (Caramel is not a factor, as his appetite was very poor towards the end.)
I got worried, because I know from experience with Trixie that cats don't necessarily eat as much as they should. If they don't like it, they don't eat it.
So, I stopped all the supps, to see what happened. Appetite went back up to 3 cans.
After a couple of weeks, I beganadding the Prozyme. Just one little supplement, nothing like the cocktail they were getting before. I hoped I could get them weaned slowly back on to all of them again.
No dice. Back to 2 cans' consumption.
I don't like the idea of them not getting their supps. ButI equally don't like them not eating enough.
I'm a bit stumped for where to proceed from here.
Would welcome any ideas or input.
Thanks, Kerry

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 1:36 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: OT - Smoky's bladder
LOL he may know I'm trying to help him, but he still won't forgive me for putting him in the carrier and taking out of the house! And Kerry said "little Smoky" I had to laugh, he's 17.5 pounds!! Relatively speaking, mammal-wise, that's small:)

but last night he got a lovely gentle belly rub and was purring so loud my husband could hear him across the room - about 20' that's why his working name was Diesel:)

Re: OT - Smoky's bladder

2005-01-04 Thread Barb Moermond

They are keeping an eye on him and as he is getting small amounts out, he's not blocked. I'm going to be calling them shortly to see if they were able to get a sterile sample. I really hope they were because they need to do a culture. I will ask themabout usingcatheter on him. The only test they were able to do on the urine was cytology and they didn't see any crystals. The x-rays have a shadow that they believe is cellular (blood clots) because of the amount of blood in there:(

Will keep you posted!Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: OT - Smoky's bladder

2005-01-04 Thread Barb Moermond

The reason they'd wanted to wait was for the bladder to get more fluid in it - it had been quite flaccid and they'd wanted a good sample. They were just able to get one and Smoky is resting comfortably now (better living through pharmaceuticals) and snuggling w/Bandit. I'll be able to pick them up in about 1.5 hrs... they are doing the analysis as I type.Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

They are keeping an eye on him and as he is getting small amounts out, he's not blocked. I'm going to be calling them shortly to see if they were able to get a sterile sample. I really hope they were because they need to do a culture. I will ask themabout usingcatheter on him. The only test they were able to do on the urine was cytology and they didn't see any crystals. The x-rays have a shadow that they believe is cellular (blood clots) because of the amount of blood in there:(

Will keep you posted!Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: food dilemma

2005-01-04 Thread Barb Moermond

Waltham has a special protein diet selection - they have wet venison food.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you for the suggestions Julie. I did cook her a duck, but at the time I was afraid that it was too fatty for her, and I was concerned about balanced nutrition, (she hates Nutri-Cal by the way). It's unbelievable how somebody so deathly thin can be so picky! I haven't been able to find a source for fresh/frozen venison yet, I'll get back on the search. Ostrich is an idea I hadn't thought about.I think "Gypsy" is such a great name! When I brought my girl into the vets office (I trapped her in a TNR program for my colony), the vet assistant asked me if she had a name. She hadn't yet, but I found myself saying, yes, her name is Gypsy, and don't tip her ear!NinaJulie Johnson wrote: Hi Nina, If Gypsy has to have a novel protein diet to eliminate allergies, could you try just givi!
ng her
cooked venison? Or, ostrich, Or, duck (maybe she's already sampled that, though). I know some supermarkets do carry wild game and if she'd just eat something you'd probably both feel better! I think you could accomplish the test using people-food rather than cat-food. Maybe it's something in the air (post-Holiday depression?) but I added 1 new supplement (Barley Cat) on Sunday night and you should have seen the 40-ish little noses turned straigh up in the air! I mean, they wouldn't even consider it! Hope this helps! Julie p.s. I've named a beautiful mackeral tabby in my feral colony "Gypsy"! *//*Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." !

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Re: OT - Smoky's bladder

2005-01-04 Thread Barb Moermond

We're home:) The urinalysis didn't show any crystals or calculi and the culture will take a bit longer. His PH is at 6, which is the high end of the normal range. There was still a lot of blood in his urine, although it looked older - the cells were broken down. And the WBC HFD (high field density, high power microscope on itty bitty pinhead of urine) showed 3 WBC and that's getting kinda high. They showed me the urine samples they'd pulled and the two they did this morning just looked like pure blood, one had a clot in it too They'd given him some acepromezine this morning to ease his bladder spasms and the pain - it also calmed him down quite a bit, made him much more comfortable. At some point today, he peed in the carrier, it was probably after they'd gotten the sample this afternoon, because when I pulled the pad out of the carrier, it was still wet, but not warm. Lots of blood. He's back in the spot here in!
the
bedroom where he's been the last couple of days... it's kind of barricaded, so since I know I have to check it out for urine etc, I know what tonight's project is.. oog. Anyhoo, they've put him on clavamox and acepromezine for now and depending on what the culture grows, they'll extend the clavamox 'script (right now I only have enough for 7 days) heh, never mind - I just found out it was Bandit in that spot - I still have to check it out though. Smoky is pretty drugged right now - like me last week:) They also gave me Waltham's prescription recipe for urinary problems and I bought a couple cans. Until we get the culture results, we just have to keep an eye on his potty habits and make sure that he's actually producing urine when he goes and hopefully that will be the case and also that the urine output will be in the litter box - but as long as there is output, I'll just weather the um, storm and use my anti-icky poo where necessary.

I don't think that an internist would be called for - this clinic is feline only, a member of the American Animal Hospital Associationand two of the three vets are Diplomats for the AmericanBoard ofVeterinary Practitioners in Feline Practice. They really know their stuff. But if they can't figure something out, they don't hesitate to contact someone at the UW-Madison Vet School for help. And the gods help me if I have to go to someplace even more expensive than my clinic!

Keep my poor baby in your thoughts and add a little post-script to his brother not to pick on him for a few days, little stinker.

Will keep you all posted - I am so grateful to have you guys!![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Did you start him on antibiotics in case it is an infection while they are figuring this out? I would insist on doing that, as I do not think it could hurt. Also, if they have trouble figuring out, and if you can afford it, you might want to be referred to an internist. But they are usually expensive.
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Re: OT - Smoky's bladder

2005-01-04 Thread Barb Moermond

OK, that scares me, Smoky is 6.5 BUT, so far so good. I am heading for bed now, it's been a VERY long day, especially considering I had surgery 9 days ago!

Will keep y'all posted!
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In a message dated 1/4/2005 12:56:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning.
Poor Smokey, My friends kitty Mojo..not Felv+...just went through this..but it was completely out of the blue..never had problems before..he was 6 years old...they had to do the surgery to remove his penis and reroute his bladder...he made it through the surgery..but unfortuananly not the night after...poor guy..I pray Smokey fairs batter and it isnt so serious!!!

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Re: OT - Smoky's bladder

2005-01-04 Thread Barb Moermond

so much for bed... Smoky piddled once in his new spot behind a chair in the bedroom, very bloody, but he also piddled in the box and poopied. But he was straining so hard when he was piddling he farted:( I checked his nether region for um, debris and poopy was fine but there is blood in his fur around his peeper. There also seems to be a swelling that is VERY sensitive between his anus and penis.. he did NOT like me blotting or wiping even very very gently... I wish I could make him better instantly:(

on the hunt for a local retailer for what Tonya calls puppy pads:)

will post as events warrantBarb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

OK, that scares me, Smoky is 6.5 BUT, so far so good. I am heading for bed now, it's been a VERY long day, especially considering I had surgery 9 days ago!

Will keep y'all posted!
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In a message dated 1/4/2005 12:56:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning.
Poor Smokey, My friends kitty Mojo..not Felv+...just went through this..but it was completely out of the blue..never had problems before..he was 6 years old...they had to do the surgery to remove his penis and reroute his bladder...he made it through the surgery..but unfortuananly not the night after...poor guy..I pray Smokey fairs batter and it isnt so serious!!!

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Re: Tai has gone to the bridge

2005-01-02 Thread Barb Moermond

Oh Kristi, I am so sorry that it was Tai Tai's time. I'm sure she is not upset with you for taking her fight away; I'm sure she's grateful that she's fat and happy and healthy waiting for you at the Bridge - you showed her the love that is possible between human and feline; a love that never goes away. Snuggle some w/each of your other furkids for me and my boys - they will be getting extra kisses and scritches tonight for sure. Sending you big warm comforting e-hugs and pawpats!!!

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Please all say a goodnight prayer to Tai Tai she has gone to the rainbow bridge. She was the 8month old that was abandoned at my vet hospital after being found under a porch. I had her such a short while yet I miss her prescence so much. She was sick the whole time I had her which makes it so hard to know I did right by her, but I know I did what was best, it just takes time to accept that. I was with her while she fell asleep so that brings some comfort. She fought sooo hard her PCV was around 6 and she weighed only 3.5lbs. Its so sad having to make the decision for them when they are fighting. She sat upright today and was mewing, she even raised her butt the tiniest bit for a pat but also Tonight her breathing was more labored than ever and after getting fluids (which she hated) she started open mouth breathing and gasping, I rushed her to my clinic where she only did well!
while on
oxygen. I was grooming her and cleaning off her fur while talking to the doctor abo!ut what to do and her skin actually came off, I know its horrid to talk about but its late right know and I'm alone and I know that all of you understand. The doctor said it sloughed because of lack of blood supply, Tai didn't even flinch, which meant it was dead tissue. She also said that when they are as sick as Tai they will have lucid moments when the end is getting nearer, almost appear more loving. It was then we decided it was time because if that was what it did to her skin what did her organs look like, and it was an open wound that wasn't even bleeding. It just makes me stunned at what a fighter she was yet hurt that I took that fight away no matter how much I feel it was the right descision and despite having had to make it before I never feels quite ok even if it is the right thing to do. I'm sleeping with all my other fur kids tonight, I need all the purring I can get, and m!
aybe they
and I will talk about how much we admired and loved Tai Tai.Thank you all for listening (reading) and for your being there to get this off my chest, this is a very supportive group. Sincerely, Kristi, Homer, Val, Gretchen, Matilda, Nala ( they appreciate your support too)Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: THE BEST OF US - A TRIBUTE

2004-12-24 Thread Barb Moermond

Brenda,
You say it so well:) I cry every time I read this. I give thanks throughout the year that I am still a part of such a warm caring compassionate group and I'm even more grateful during the holidays.

To all: I hope you and your kits and other critters have a warm, safe and healthy holiday season!!!"Brenda K. Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi All.. I wrote this tribute to all feline leukemia kitties in December, 2000. It is still as true today as it was then. For all who don't know eating cheesecake means a cure has been found for Feline Leukemia. One of the long term listers wrote an email several years ago and said "when they find a cure for this disease, we will all eat cheesecake." My family sends all of your families the very best for happiness and health for humans and furbabies alike this holiday season.The Best of Us a tributeby Brenda K. SmithHe holds their sick bodies The creator of manIn his gentle, loving hands As only He can.We question their existence How can they surviveWhy were they created S!
hould
they be alive?What is their purpose Their short life on earthAre they angels to guide us To grant us our worth?Do they teach us great lessons Have our lives been enrichedAre these little creatures Our wise teachers in this?They leave us far richer Than when they beganOur lives touched so deeply These small companions of man.We seek the great wisdom From the Holy Spirit aboveWhy has He brought us These little angels to love.We may never know The answers we seekWhy these tiny bodies Endure such pain until weak.Upon this birthday of Christ We are blessed from aboveBy these angels of light Who have taught us such love.Their presence forever Will abide in our heartsThe souls of these
beings From us will not part.Some day there'll be joy Part of His master planNo more sickness to endure A well and full life span.Soon our tears will be dried Our sorrow will abateThe cure WILL be found And we will eat cheesecake!--

Brenda.

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Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: Angel Patches. Please add to CLS

2004-12-24 Thread Barb Moermond

oh Jo, I'm so sorry it was Patches' time. In time, I hope you will be able to think of her passing as simply moving on ahead of you and she will be there at the Bridge waiting, happy and healthy. Gather the rest of your furfamily together and give them special attention and allow them to give that same special attention to you. Our thoughts and tears are with you.. hugs[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Dear Friends:
I have not posted of Patches to this group since she was FeLV-. But for those that know me and my furfamily, I wanted to let you know that little Patches died at 9:00 this morning, Christmas Eve. Christmas will never be the same for us.

For all those that have lost a loved one recently, our hearts go out to you. I lost Patches' brother, Bubba, Corky, and Sylvester earlier this year. And now Patches. This is a horrible time to be in mourning.

Could you please add her to the CLS. 

Hugsand Sandpaper Kisses,
Jo  FamilyBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: Massive Spraying Issue!

2004-12-15 Thread Barb Moermond

in case you haven't got these two odor handlers, Liqui-Zyme and Anti-Icky Poo are both excellent. I used to get the Liqui-Zyme from my vet's office because one of the vets had gotten INTACT male spray out of a suitcase. completely! They have since switched to Anti-Icky Poo which they say is even better than the Liqui-Zyme. just in case:)Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Belinda,I have already tried to get a prescription forFluoxetine (kitty Prozac) or Fluvoxamine (a strongeranti-depressant than Fluoxetine) from any of the four(4) veterinarians who are involved with Dartagnan'scase, but they are extremely leery to prescribe any ofthe medications that I have suggested.One (1) veterinarian in particular told me that heabsolutely would not, under ANY circumstance, write aprescription for either one (1) of those drugs. Heaccused me of literally taking the anti-depressantsmyself and that I was using my cat as an excuse to geta hold of the medication! I told him that was a false and insane accusation! Ihave never heard of anything more absurd in my life!Cat medications (of any kinds) would be lethal tohuman consumption and vice versa.At the very least, the anti-depr!
essants
would have noaffect on a human due to the severe body weightdifference. The prescriptions are based and CAT'S bodyweight NOT a human's; therefore, the medication wouldbe an extremely lower dosages compared to aprescription written by a Ph.D. for a human.The veterinarian became extremely argumentative afterI told him this. According to him, I was NOT supposedto know such things being how HE was the veterinarianand I was NOT; therefore, I was not qualified in suchmatters.To hell with that! I am Dartagnan's mother! I know himbetter than anyone, including the veterinarians. Iknow when my kid is not feeling well and I know whatis best for him! I wanted to work WITH theveterinarian, NOT tell him how to do his job! I neededa professional who was willing to work with ME and mykid NOT argue with me."If you are hell bent of getting any unnecessaryanti-depressants for this cat, it will NOT be throu!
ghMY
practice! This case is off of my conscience.""Besides," he continued, "what you are doing is a formof animal abuse. Twelve (12) cats in one (1) house isthe worse form of animal abuse there is and I couldeasily report you for violation of city ordinance forbeing a hoarder."I told him he can report me to anyone he saw fit, butit would not do much good. His veterinary practice wasin one (1) county and I resided in another. Not onlythat, but I resided in the COUNTY not the city, whichreleased me of any possible "city ordinance" as theydid not pertain to my area of location! I amdefinitely NOT a hoarder!With that, he hung up on me! He has officially beenresigned as Dartagnan's veterinarian.So, that explains why Dartagnan's current medicationsare not working. He needs a stronger prescription, butno veterinarian is willing to fill it.As far as cleaning supplies/solutions, honey I haveth!
em all!
:)1.) Bissesll Pet Oder and Soil: Removal formula.Contains Scotchgard (for carpets and upholstery.)2.) Woolite: One Step with FibraPure Odor Eliminator.Foam Carper Cleaner.3.) Woolite: Fabric and Upholstery. Foam Cleaner.Removes stains and odors.4.) Woolite: Pet Carpet Cleaner. Foam Cleaner. Cleansand freshens entire carpet.5.) Carpet Fresh: Super Pet. Neutralizes Pet Odors. No vacuum foam carpet refresher6.) Carpet Fresh: No Vacuum Foam Carpet CleanerApple Cinnamon7.) Nature's Miracle: Stain and order Remover.8.) Nature's Miracle" Just For Cats Stain and OdorRemover.9.) Simple Solution Cat Spray Urine Stain OdorRemover10.) Proforce: Carpet Extraction Cleaner (commercialstrength.)11.) Kirby: Carpet Shampoo12.) Hoover Steam Vac: Carpet/Upholstery13.) Glade: County Garden Carpet and Room Deodorizer14.) Glade: Potpourri!
Carpet
and Room Springtime 15.) Glade: Potpourri Carpet and Room CinnamonJust to name a few.Dartagnan is two (2) years old. I have had him theentire time... for two (2) years. I have no clue HOWthe spraying started or why, but it has been acontinued problem for two (2) years.To my knowledge he gets along fine with the otherkitties. Due to his robust size most of the other kidssimply avoid him. Plus, eight (8) out of the twelve(12) are declawed.NOTE: Just for the record. I rescued them in theCONDITION. I did NOT have a declaw surgery performed!Therefore, if his size is not intimidating then Iimagine his claws are.But it does not make any sense! Dartagnan is thebiggest kitty and HAS his claws intact then the OTHERkids SHOULD be spraying, NOT him! Why would he need tospray if no one is willing to pick a fight with him?Belinda, I agree with you about NOT killing an animaldue to
behavioral problems, but to what extent? I havealready spent close to $12,000 in repairs as it is.Where do pet guardians draw the line?No, separating Dartagnan to his own room is not anoption. With twelve (12) indoor kitties they needaccess to every room for ample living space.

Re: For Ong; contentiousness

2004-12-10 Thread Barb Moermond



What I'm sensing through all this is much more a failure to interpret the appropriate feeling/intent behind the text than deliberate fight-picking. We've had the latter here, several years ago, and there isa difference. One of the major problems with this medium is that there are a myriad of communication clues that are not available: tone of voice, facial _expression_, body languageetc. I personally have found that the best way to communicate that there's confusion is to reflect back what you think you heard/understood from the message. "I'm hearing you say x, is that what you meant?" Unfortunately, all too frequently what we mean to say is NOT how it comes across - especially with people who don't know each other well and in this stark setting. I find that approach helpful with my husband with face-to-face verbal communication; he will say something a!
nd I will
 question it and he's able to say no no, that's not what I meant and I end up saying that that's what came across, no matter what the intention was initially leaving his mouth, that's what hit my ears.
Anyhoo, that's my 2 cents.Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: Fwd: FW: Dialing *677 on your cell phone for Police Dispatch

2004-12-10 Thread Barb Moermond

That code isn't good for every area - ie it's not universal - your best bet is still to call 911

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/mayhem/fakecop.aspKarolyn Lount [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Subject: Dialing *677 on your cell phone for Police Dispatch

MOMS Club Members,

I decided to pass on this article that I received from one of our members. It could come in handy when you are in a precarious situation.

Subject: Cell phone users - *677]   I knew about the red light on cars, but not the   *677. It was about 1 PM in the afternoon,   and Lauren was driving to visit a friend. AnUNMARKED police car pulled up behind her   and put his lights on.   Lauren's parents have 4 children (high school   and college age) and have always told them never to   pull over for an unmarked car on the side of the   road, but rather wait until   they get a gas station, etc.   Lauren had actually listened to her parents   advice, and promptly called *677   on her cell phone to tell the police dispatcher that   she would not pull!
 over
 right away.   She proceeded to tell the dispatcher that there was   an unmarked police car with a   flashing red light on his rooftop behind her. The   dispatcher checked to see if there were police cars   where she was -- and there weren't; and he told her   to keep driving,   remain calm and that he had back-up already on the   way.   Ten minutes later 4 cop cars surrounded her and   the unmarked car behind her.   One policeman went to her side and the others   surrounded the car behind. They pulled   the guy from the car and tackled him to the ground.   The man was a convicted rapist,   and wanted for other crimes.  I never knew about the *677 Cell Phone Feature, butg!
 t; 
  especially for a woman alone in   a car, you should not pull over for an unmarkedcar. Apparently police have to respect   your right to keep going to a "safe" place. You   obviously need to make some signals   that you acknowledge them (i.e. put on your hazard   lights) or call *677 like Lauren did.   Too bad the cell phone companies don't generally   give you this little bit of   wonderful information.  *Speaking to a service representative at **Bell**Mobility confirmed that *677 was a direct link to   OPP Dispatch. So, now it's your turn to let your   friends know about *677.  Send this to every woman you know, it may save a  
 life.Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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another thought

2004-12-10 Thread Barb Moermond

I forgot to mention that I mean this for everyone, not just Ong. It's a useful tool and even just thinking through the steps can help.Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What I'm sensing through all this is much more a failure to interpret the appropriate feeling/intent behind the text than deliberate fight-picking. We've had the latter here, several years ago, and there isa difference. One of the major problems with this medium is that there are a myriad of communication clues that are not available: tone of voice, facial _expression_, body languageetc. I personally have found that the best way to communicate that there's confusion is to reflect back what you think you heard/understood from the message. "I'm hearing you say x, is that what you meant?" Unfortunately, all too frequently what we mean to say is NOT how it comes across - especially with people who don't know each other well and in this stark setting. I find that approach helpful with my husband with face-to-face verbal communication; he will say something a!
! nd I
will question it and he's able to say no no, that's not what I meant and I end up saying that that's what came across, no matter what the intention was initially leaving his mouth, that's what hit my ears.
Anyhoo, that's my 2 cents.Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous

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Re: CLS Addition - Avalina

2004-12-08 Thread Barb Moermond

Oh Rachel I'm so sorry! HUGS The good memories will last longer than the pain and you know you gave her the best possible home...Rachel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm having a really crummy fall this year.
Avalina has gone to the rainbow bridge. She has been OK but she was old (at least 14-16yrs) and had no teeth (vet thinks she had been hit by a car at some point in her life or suffered some other sort of severe head trauma).
Please add my little pudgy girl to the CLS.

Rachel



Rachel

"Folk will know how large your soul is by the way you treat a dog" C. Doran


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Re: Adri and Chema

2004-12-07 Thread Barb Moermond

That's the wonderful thing about this list and these people: you are NOT alone, no matter what terrible decision or problem you are facing, we are ALL here for you and your kitties.

bMartha Alejandra Moreno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:






Thank you everyone for your answers

A "galletica" literally means a "little cookie". but I mean "cat treat" when I said "galletica"

Today I bought Pepcid before came home. I gave her the doxicycline at 7 pm, now it is 9:45pm and she has not vomited (I am very happy). I also gave her cat food by hand -my hand- (i do not know if I said it correctly) she ate more than she eats alone.

Tomorrow I am going to call the College of Veterinary Medicine, maybe they know some veterinary near jackson, If they do not know someone I think I will travel to Laurel to visit that veterinary. 

I am going to buy that baby food you told me.

Thank you again, you make me feel I am not alone.

Alejandra







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Re: Thanks to all of you regarding Sophie's disappearance

2004-12-02 Thread Barb Moermond

I'm sooo glad she decided to come out again! Silly girl. Here is a link to Dr Louis Camuti's book "All My Patients Are Under The Bed" - DECADES of being a house-call only vet in NYC, he HAD to develop some kind of method for finding the silly kits!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0671554506/qid=1102000267/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-9077330-4663341?v=glances=booksn=507846
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I hope I didn't forget to thank someone's kindness. Anne and Jimi Too Cool, Simms, Sophie and other furry friends in MINina, thank you for all your help and your calming energy. I needed that! :-)Barb, thank you. I was very interested in the Camuti Method you mentioned. It's good someone devoted time to get an organized plan put down for those of us who panic when our loved ones are lost. Yes, cats sure do catch on when "something's up", don't they? They have so many and such exquisite senses. Your naughty little boys when you lived in that apartment, that was something where they found to hide.Del, thank you. I know your friend was frantic, too, when her pet-sitting cat was gone for 3 days. I am so af!
raid of
hepatic lipidosis when they do that for so long. Jimi Too Cool is an expert hider, too, but he is so big, he is limited on spots to hide, thank goodness.Tad, I appreciate all your tips. Yeah, cat's can give one white hairs, for sure! :-)Barbara, that is something about your Mr. Bean in the grandfather clock! Gee whiz.!!! :-) Thanks for posting.Chris, thank you for all your ideas. I am saving all of these in case I need to refresh my memory in future searches, if it happens. (please, no...!) Your Tucson is something else, huh? What an adventurer. I hope she has settled down by now. :-)Thank you for the tip about pancreatitis in cats, too. I forwarded that on to Chris in Belgium. I know she appreciated it. I love that site, too, as I have a diabetic dog, CoCo, but I didn't realize they discussed pancreatitis on there, too.Karolyn, Sophie's catfinde!
r device
is like those things you can put on your keychain so if you lose them, you can push a button on a receiver and it will beep? I wish I could find a way to keep it on her. Tuna sounds good as a lure. That smell is potent for sure, isn't it? Thank you, Karolyn.Robin, I appreciate your tips. Norman almost ruined your vacation, then? I know your worry and I would be the same way. How can you get a cat out of ductwork? I hope it is not too difficult. Thanks so much.Tamara, thanks. I love it when the other dogs and cats rat out a hiding pet! I did think about putting the dogs in the basement to see if they could sniff her out! It could work, I'll bet. I was hoping Simms would rat her out, too! :-) I always appreciate your humor, T! Under Norman is not too far fetched, ha!Kerry, thank you. I like how everyone who wrote eventually found their cats. I ho!
pe that
is true almost always or always. Bonnie, it is such a nice ending to Fu's story! What a panic you both must have been, though. Gloria, thanks, I was so happy, too. :-)Tonya, thanks. I will send your good wishes on to Chris about Spock, the cat with pancreatitis.Terri, thank you for caring and worrying with me.Terrie, thank you for celebrating Sophie's return. :-)Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re:OT:Thanks to all of you regarding Sophie's disappearance/Barb

2004-12-02 Thread Barb Moermond

I wish he were too! Sadly, he passed away a couple years ago. I sure would miss him if he'd been MY vet. And it's actually much cheaper for vets to practice that way - the overhead is eliminated. There are also advantages to clinics, obviously, but for basic maintenance I think it's a splendid idea. It's one of my favorite books and I re-read it a couple times a year:) Absolutely fascinating stuff![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Barb Moermond wrote:I'm sooo glad she decided to come out again! Silly girl. Here is a link to Dr Louis Camuti's book "All My Patients Are Under The Bed" - DECADES of being a house-call only vet in NYC, he HAD to develop some kind of method for finding the silly kits! Thanks, Barb! I want to read this! I wish he were up for hire, ha!Anne and Jimi Too Cool, Simms and Sophie among other furry friends in MI Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: Finding Sophie

2004-12-01 Thread Barb Moermond

Yes I remember that! It reminds me of our old cat Chicken who would go into the cupboard under the kitchen sink and from there UNDER the dishwasher.BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some of you may remember when my son's cat Fu got lost three years ago. My son was moving and was afraid Fu got outside. I drove all the way to Minneapolis, four hours away, to help him look. After two or three days, Fu was finally found after my son went back for one final look in his empty apartment and found cat poops in the bath tub. He was never happier to see that sight. He had an idea of where Fu might be: he thought Fu might have gone in the opening where the pipes are under the kitchen sink. He opened a can of smelly cat food and held it up to the opening. Soon he heard a rustling sound and then a dusty little cat head appeared!BonnieBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleas!
es him,
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Re: Finding Sophie

2004-11-30 Thread Barb Moermond

You've probably already tried a variation on"The Camuti Method" - named by/for Louis Camuti a fabulous retired veterinarian from NY. start on one end of house - thoroughly search each room one at a time and as you finish each room - close it off. Also check for loose vent covers, are there any walls she could have gotten into?, any ceilings?, old farm houses have attics, she could have started in there and ended up somewhere far away in the actual structure of the building, loose fabric on bottom of box springs - inside the box spring can be a lovely spot for kitties. Think warm dark quiet places that just call to kitties not feeling well. behind the water heater, furnace, wood stove - behind your kitchen stove - someplace she would feel safe. Using a calm low voice is good too, although the others will know something is up because they always do, dont' they? :) sending "come out Sophie" vibes!! and hugs for you:)N!
ina
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anne,I'm so sorry Sophie is missing. I go completely out of my mind whenever I can't find one of my babies, especially if they've been feeling poorly. I have a wonderful friend, Patricia Schaller, who is a pet communicator, the link below is to her website. She never charges for help with lost animals. Whether you believe it's possible, or not, please give her a call. It can't hurt and it could help. When my bottle baby, Ursula disappeared for 4 days, Patricia is the one who gave me hope and helped me get through the ordeal. In fact that's how we became friends. In any event, I would not do anything that would scare her further. Try to stay calm and call to her as if she's across the living room from you. Please let us know if Sophie comes home.I'm praying for Sophie's safe return and sending you calming energy.Much
 love,Ninahttp://www.petreader.com/index.htmlBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: Finding Sophie

2004-11-30 Thread Barb Moermond


also check under big pieces of furniture you wouldn't necessarily think of as hiding places. Lucky had hidden behind the china cabinet, under Mom's chair and under the pie chest. One time when my boys were first with me and very wee I couldn't find them anywhere. I'd been living in a 435 sq ft apartment!!! I eventually found the two of them under my little hutch - it has a scrollwork detail on the front bottom and it had just enough clearance for them to bear rug themselves under it. Once they squirmed out, I rolled up a blanket and blocked it. Of course, now that Bandit is 9.5-10lbs and Smoky is about 17.5lbs, THAT isn't an issue! Check your computer desk if it has any nooks and crannies a kitty could fit into.Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
My old Morris used to get inside my table saw on the saw dustGlad I found that hiding place before I turned it on.TadDel Daniels wrote:




bottom of box springs - inside the box spring can be a lovely spot for kitties.

That would include couches and easy chairs. Our living room chairs do not look like there is anywhere to go but Gigi Sue found she could get up inside ... of course, she scooted when we sat down ... but no one every sits on our couch, they could hide for days there.

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Subject: Re: Finding Sophie

You've probably already tried a variation on"The Camuti Method" - named by/for Louis Camuti a fabulous retired veterinarian from NY. start on one end of house - thoroughly search each room one at a time and as you finish each room - close it off. Also check for loose vent covers, are there any walls she could have gotten into?, any ceilings?, old farm houses have attics, she could have started in there and ended up somewhere far away in the actual structure of the building, loose fabric on bottom of box springs - inside the box spring can be a lovely spot for kitties. Think warm dark quiet places that just call to kitties not feeling well. behind the water heater, furnace, wood stove - behind your kitchen stove - someplace she would feel safe. Using a calm low voice is good too, although the others will know something is up because they always do, dont' they? :) sending "come out Sophie" vibes!! and hugs for you:)N!
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Anne,I'm so sorry Sophie is missing. I go completely out of my mind whenever I can't find one of my babies, especially if they've been feeling poorly. I have a wonderful friend, Patricia Schaller, who is a pet communicator, the link below is to her website. She never charges for help with lost animals. Whether you believe it's possible, or not, please give her a call. It can't hurt and it could help. When my bottle baby, Ursula disappeared for 4 days, Patricia is the one who gave me hope and helped me get through the ordeal. In fact that's how we became friends. In any event, I would not do anything that would scare her further. Try to stay calm and call to her as if she's across the living room from you. Please let us know if Sophie comes home.I'm praying for Sophie's safe return and sending you calming energy.Mu!
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Re: euthanasia at home?

2004-11-29 Thread Barb Moermond

I was fortunate in that the Saturday I before Ninja went to the Bridge, I'd taken her in because she'd had a very bad Friday night. The vet who was there and helped me gave me her home phone number because at this point we knew Ninja had lymphoma and that it was just a matter of time and it was also a holiday weekend and the clinic was closed on Monday. I would have felt better about helping Ninja the next Tuesday as she was already mostly gone - "she" was not there anymore - I suspect she was in a great deal of pain:( --- but the vet was at home with her infant and her husband didn't get home until about 11p, so itwas to be Wednesday afternoon when she was able to come to my apartment and help Ninja. If I'm given the choice in future, a quiet at-home passing is the way I'll choose to help my babies.Jill Poe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wish someone who loves me enough, could do the same for me when the time comes.Nina, I have to reply to this, as this is exactly thesame thought that went through my mind after Semutapassed. It became shockingly apparent to me thatillness before death can be very ugly, brutal, andpainful (Semuta "crashed" 3 days before his last day -it was a frightening experience). After seeing howphenobarbital can so easily and seemingly painlesslyrescue an animal from the physical pain of death, Ikept thinking for weeks about how unfair it is that wehave to see our human loved ones suffer in the sameway without the same relief. I certainly don't mean to open a philosophical ormoral thread with this, just that I would never wantto see an animal or human suffer unnecessarily andthat I was grateful to !
have had
the option, and thevery sympathetic and kind vet that night, to give mybeloved friend a painless death.I wonder if any of you have administered phenobarbitalat home (if that is even legal?) I was fortunate tohave an emergency clinic with greiving rooms so that Icould sit on a carpeted floor and hold Semuta while hewas injected, instead of being in a brightly lit roomwith a metal table. I didn't have the option at 2amto have a vet come to the house (I was sure he wouldcrash again before morning) but I wondered at the timeif there is a way that we can do this at home,especially when you and your vet know that death isimminent?I hope this email doesn't seem overly morbid but Ithink the next time I have an animal showing signs ofsevere illness and the vet agrees, I'd like not tohave to stress him more by taking him to a clinic tohave him euthanized. Plus there's that wholedifficulty of trying to!
drive
while crying!Jill--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Kerry, thank you for taking the time during your grief to acknowledge our emails. Something else that gives me a small bit of comfort when I feel compelled to help my animals cross, is the fact that I can help end their suffering. I wish someone who loves me enough, could do the same for me when the time comes. I absolutely believe there is life after death and when our bodies become our enemies the kindest and most humane thing we can do is help them escape their pain and speed their transition in an atmosphere of love and compassion. Holding on, when hope for recovery is lost, is something we do for ourselves, not for them. Having gotten to know you from reading your postings, I'm sure you made the decision based on lo!
ve, and
I'm sure it was the right one. About using Doxycycline, from what I've been told, it's more encompassing in it's effect on different types of bacteria than Clavomox. My vet called in the prescription to my local pharmacy and it is quite inexpensive. The tabs I get have to be quartered and therefore loose the protective coating on two sides. It is pretty nasty tasting, (I always taste any meds I give the kids), and it also has the potential to do damage to the esophagus if not swallowed all the way. My vet's liaison told me a story about a human friend of hers that swallowed it dry and burned a hole in his throat! It also can cause stomach upset. When I first started giving Grace Dox, she would vomit a few minutes later. I experimented with lots of different ways to coat the
quartered pill, but what seems to work the best is using a paper thin coating of taffy made with corn syrup, and then roll it in chicken fat (kept in a small dish in the freezer), or butter. Now I know that giving Grace sugar is not the best thing for her, but it helps hide the taste and she hasn't had any problems with vomiting since I began doing this. I also follow the pill with an eye dropper of water squeezed gently into the corner of her mouth, I give her time to swallow and as far as I can tell it washes the pill down pretty effectively. Nina __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"M!
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Re: Hello All

2004-11-24 Thread Barb Moermond

Sorry you had to find us, but this is the best group of people you'll find for knowledge and help.

If you search the archives from1998, you will find a lot of discussion of seizures etc. My Ninja started having seizures and at first they were about one every 3 weeks but after a few months of that, they accelerated to 2 and 2 weeks and then at 5 at 10 days. THAT was a bad day for both of us. I'd actually been disappointed when her toxo test was negative because toxo CAN be treated. I couldn't afford the CT, but based on the type of seizure and the acceleration, meningioma was the diagnosis we based the treatment on. We did eventually have to add phenobarbital to her mix, but the initial thing that controlled the seizures was prednisone. I don't know if it would be effective in Tux's case, but it would be something to discuss with your vet. I gather from your email that the phenobarbital is not controlling the seizures and that Tux is still on the toxo treatment??john kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Just joined last night. I have a male cat named Tux that my brother found in the a dumpster last August(03'). The vet said that they thought he was 5 weeks old when we got her.Tux was fine until May of this year. One afternoon he had a seizure and we took him to the vet. Vet ran all the tests etc. and finally realized that he has toxoplasmosis. They put him on medicine for that. He continued to have seizures so they put him on phenobarbital.He has tested negative twice for FELV. However, his white blood cell count and his platelet count have been low each time. Likewise, the toxo levels have remained the same. This leads me to believe that he may have FELV since he can't fight the toxo. He acts normal except for after the seizures. He has never been outside since we have had him.I know that seizures in cats are not t!
hat
common. The longest he has gone without one is 6 weeks. Lately it is every 10 days or so. I'm just wondering if anyone has had any similar situations.JohnBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: Update on Maggie!

2004-11-23 Thread Barb Moermond

congratulations on your new addition

getting weight on her is indeed the first thing on the list and she certainly found the right people!! 4 lbs that just amazes me - my boys are 9.5-10 lbs for Bandit and a whopping 17.5 pounds for Smoky - *4* pounds is soo small and she should probably be at least 7 or 8 sigh I'm very very happy that she found you!!! And just in time to remind you to be thankful for all you have in your life:)

That's excellent news from the vet and a good start on her road to a healthy life:)Jen Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello, again!

Well, just got back from the vet's office...the vet suspects that she did, indeed, suffer a fracture to her pelvis! She gets around just fine...and there's no outer signs to indicate that the injury is recent...so she's been adapting for quite some time! But you can really see a large "divet" where her pelvis should meet her tail...we'll eventually have her spayed (the vet could see no sign that she's ever had the surgery done) so when this happens, the vet will take an x-ray of her pelvis to see what's going on! And, again, she's remarkably clean...a few fleas but no ear mites or intestinal parasites...she also tested negative for FeLV/FIV! So we started vaccinations (FeLV and distemper, I believe)...

So we're just focused on putting a little (actually, alot) of weight on her...she's only 4 lbs.!! I guess we'll never know her story...but she's as sweet as she can be...the plan is just to get her healthy again and we'll take it from there...but seeing as though she's already got a name, I have a feeling she may be around for awhile! :)

Thanks, everybody,for all of your well-wishes!

Jen

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Re: Jelly Roll --

2004-11-18 Thread Barb Moermond

what a jerk. I'm very glad you have a good vet to transfer too - and bonus, it's someone you already know and trust. I'm so sorry you have had to go through this with Jelly Roll:(

hugsBarbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

i just now got the call back from the head of the vet's office that screwed up this morning. I am so mad. I cannot believe how I was talked to by this man. He was never my vet--I used a different dr. at the practice who unfortunately is away on vacation til first week in Dec and was on vacation when Jelly's ashes were returned. Get this? I'm overreacting according to Dr. Travis head partner of Ft Hill Animal Hospital in Huntington NY. Because I wasn't in their loose leaf notebook of private cremations, I was not notified. They claim they had no idea who Jelly Roll belonged to. (yeah that's a common name like Rover, right?) They claim the last name looked like Rowe not Lowe(my name). Their excuse is they had no idea why this crematory was delivering the remains to them because it was not their regular crematory. (so why accept them then) Now when Jelly had to be put to sleep I had to call the specialists' crematory agency who said they w!
ould as a
favor to me if IF IF my regular vet said it was okay, they would deliver Jelly's remains to the Huntington vet because that one was only 10 mins from my house rather than the hour I would have had to drive to the specialists' office. The crematory said they would call my Huntington vet for me. the huntington vet signed for the remains which means they accepted responsiblity for Jelly. They just stuck him in the back room where dr. travis claims are so many other remains that people haven't picked up over the years and would have done nothing to contact me. I've been their client for double digit years--with over let's see,5 dogs, numerous foster kittens from an animal shelter, presently 7 cats and at least 5 angel cats. the vet I use there jokes they should name a wing after me for what I have paid over the years.
I really did start the conversation tonight with Dr. T ratherrationally-calmly. I was trying to explain to him I just wanted to be sure this experience did not happen to anyone else and that I really wanted someone at their office to say,"ya know what? yeah, we screwed up-we're sorry. we know you loved your cat." Nada. nothing. his attitude continued to be that I was overreacting. When I asked why no one bothered to do a computer search of the name Jelly Roll, he couldn't answer that except to say that wasn't the procedure-for cremation, they go to the loose leaf notebook of names. (and the 3rd vet at the office also knows Jelly Roll because he-Dr. W had to do the 2nd weekly shot of chemo for me for two weeks in a row at 35$ a shot). I''m just floored. I am so amazed at the callousness of this vet who should realize his practice is suffering a loss of clientele since my original vet there left earlier this year to open his own pra!
ctice.Ft
Hill always used to be busy. When I was there recently on a Friday for Jelly's 2nd chemo shot of the week,Dr. W. commented onhow quiet the office was. I drive by there and there are no cars in the parking lot-which is very unusual. I only stayed at Ft Hill because Jelly roll's "crash" occurred before my original vet's new clinic building was complete and then I took Jelly to the specialists at another clinic. I ended my phone call with Dr. T tonight that there are other vets and the office in the morning will be getting a phone call request from me to transfer my 8 pets' records. The techs and front desk people who used to work at Ft. Hill who are very caring all went to the new clinic and now so am I. I will just have to explain to the vacationing dr. what happened and why I cannot return to Ft Hill.
thank you for listening. It is too late for me to call anyone locally.
And thank you all who have cried with me and comforted me during Jelly's illness and then this fiasco this morning. Thank you for all the emails. I told Jelly's sister all about them.
oh god i am just so floored.

hope everyone's kitties are doing okay. (and doggies too---poor Frasier here can't get any respect from the cats--they all treat him as a rubbing post and Jelly's sister insists on sleeping against his back or against his head)
thank god for animals. thank god for all of you.
gnite
barbara
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Re: opinions wanted please

2004-11-17 Thread Barb Moermond

Well, I'd send a follow up asking for a response - and / or send a letter directly to Dr Diane outlining everything you've experienced (include a copy of the 1st letter) and ask her opinion on the situation and if she has any referral suggestions or if she'd even be willing to treat your kitties in your home. I don't know how the ownership of that particular clinic works, but I'm thinking you spend a lot of money there and at the very least deserve a response.

"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi all
I mentioned a few weeks ago that my petsitter--who works at the vet clinic I use--proved herself untrustworthy. (Recap: She wasn't giving the FeLV kitties their supplements, and when I asked her about it, simply tried tolie her way out of it. Only when it became clear to her that I'd counted the pills before and after did she back down and admit it.)
Well, I thought about what I should do, told you the story, and quickly decided you guys were dead right--that I should report her to the clinic owner. (And in fact, as timehasgoneon, I'veonly got madder and madder in any case about her callous uncaringbehavior towards those helpless little creatures who were so dependent on her while I was gone.)
So I sent a letter to the owner about 2 weeks ago explaining exactly what happened, and that my dilemma now lay in the fact that while I was extremely happy with the 2 particular vets I use, I did not want my cats being handled by this particular technician in future. (I sent it certified and got the proof of delivery card back.) But no reply in any shape or form has come from the owner. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised, but I am---you'd think that even if he didn't want to do anything about his technician he would have sent some sort of civilized response to a client of several years standing?
Thus I hate tocontinue to givehim my $$$.
But I also hate to lose the2 vets. One in particularwas fantastic withmy feral FeLVkitty Flavia--and me, for that matter, for I was a tearful mess!--when I thought she was about to die. I walked in therein floods of tears and an hour later I walked out, with Flavia, feeling on top of the world, thanks to Dr Diane. Flavia took the foodthe doctor gave herand was generally putty in her hands--I think she would have happily stayedwith Dr Dianeforever!
It's a nice practice generally, and they moved into a pleasant new facility recently.
I've been asking around for referrals, and they're not thick on the ground I have to say. (In fact one of the two referrals I got is for the practice I use--and it was a glowing referral. The kind I would have written a month ago!)
Any of you wonderful, wise people got any ideas on what you would do faced with a similar situation? I'd really welcome your opinions!
Thanks for listening! KerryThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: opinions wanted please

2004-11-17 Thread Barb Moermond

I was thinking the same thing - I would send your letter to Dr Diane to her HOME address. Wouldn't hurt to also add a photocopy of the receipt postcard you got - oh, check the signature on it to see if you can read the name of whoever signed for it - which may not mean anything.Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it possible the tech in question got the letter and destroyed itknowing it was from your address and what the likely content was?--BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsVote For Ushttp://www.bemikitties.com/toplist/cgi-bin/topsites.cgi?id=1---Web Design Porfoliohttp://www.bemikitties.com/bmksamples.htm#portfolioBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: OT - little Beagle Sweetie to the Bridge

2004-11-16 Thread Barb Moermond

Oh Gloria, I'm so sorry to hear this... You've had such a hard couple of years it's just not fair:( We're all here for you and are sending love and support. HUGS"Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My little old Beagle, Sweetie, died tonight. I knew she was declining, just everything - her energy level, her not eating, it was harder to pill her. She had congestive heart failure, but one vet thought she had a tumor in the area of her heart.She was a sweet little Beagle, older, and my friend and I found her in a parking lot staring into space this last spring. She got along with my other 2 dogs so well. She had some good months, in particular after her initial heart worm treatment in May. It made all the difference in the world. From that time on, she was a perky little dog, and enjoyed life. That is, until October, when she just kind of turned around and started going downhill.Sleep soft, sweet angel doggie, my Sweetie Beagle.GloriaBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My
 cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: Cat Food

2004-11-15 Thread Barb Moermond

my boys get California Natural dry food and Eagle Pack wet - their fur has always been beautiful, but it's even nicer now:)Del Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Wellness canned is great. My kitties all eat it. I think I'll check theWellness dry, since the Sensible Choice changed ingredients they need a different brand. Also Pet Guard Premium Feast canned is a hit with my group.

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Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 12:13 PM
Subject: Cat Food



I was wondering if anyone feeds their cat Wellness? I'm currently feeding Adeline Science Diet and was looking into switching her over to Wellness. If anyone else has any info I'd love to hear about it.

DianaBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: Jelly roll

2004-11-09 Thread Barb Moermond

oh I'm so sorry... you've all been fighting so hard for him... It's been a hard week or so for us - give his sister extra snuggles and scritches.

Our thoughts and tears are with you and Jelly's sister.Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Hi everyone, the little guy had to be put to sleep on Saturday. The worst was I could not be there for him due to my work duties upstate. I just got home and wanted to let everyone know who has emailed me off and on-list and thank you all so much for the prayers and wishes and information. It really didn't hit me til I just got here so i'm getting off now to go tell his sister. 
Barbara
who will miss that little chin warmer, Jelly RollBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
	
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Re: i need help.

2004-11-09 Thread Barb Moermond

DEFINITELY see another vet!!! What area are you in?? I know that Belinda has gathered information from us on the clinics and vets who are willing to actively treat FeLV+ kitties. And which medicine are you referring to? Many treat with interferon and there's someone on the list who actually worked with her vet to get permission from the FDA to get Feline Interferon That's so awesome:). What are her other bloodwork values? How is her attitude, appearance and appetite?? You definitely have some questions for the 2nd vet. But stick with this list and you will get a lot of good advice.A high quality diet is key and many use various supplements like co-Q10 andprozyme etc

I haven't had the experience of vomiting to be a leukemic symptom, but of something else secondary to the FeLV. Luci might simply be eating too much too fast. With her eating wet food, her drinking of water will go down, so I wouldn't worry about that too much, unless she becomes dehydrated. If you tent the skin on her back and it stays tented or is very slow to snap back, she's dehydrated and you should use a (needleless) syringe to water her or even get sub-Q fluids from the vet.

Kristen Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This is my first posting. About a month ago, my fiancee and I found a cat by our apartment building. We put up signs asking if anyone is missing a cat and there was no reply. We took her in and took her to the vet. As it turns out, she has feline leukemia. She has been tested twice then and each time she has come out positive. We named her Luci. The vet says she is between 1-2 years old. She is not showing any symptoms yet. However, during the past two weeks she is having trouble keeping her food down. We were feeding her dry cat food and when she started vomiting, we switched to a food for sensitive stomachs. She still could not keep anything down so we are trying a moist cat food. Since then, she has stopped drinking a lot of water. We have taken her to the vet and he has basically given up on her and not telling us what to do. I have been! reading a lot about the disease and!
have
found out about the medicine that cats can receive with leukemia. No mention of the medication was from the doctor. Has anyone used the medication? Does it help?

We are taking her to another doctor to see if she has anything to say about the vomiting. She is still vomiting on the moist cat food but not as much. it says that vomiting is not a sign but has anyone else experienced this?

Thank you,

Kristen

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OT - please add Lucky to CLS

2004-11-06 Thread Barb Moermond

It is with a heavy heart that I have to let you know that little Lucky Girl is at the Bridge now. Mom and Dale took her to the vet yesterday because she was wheezing,lethargic, not eatingand her eyes had started to get goopy. The vet estimated her age at about 8 weeks (her teeth and leg length I'm supposing) and said that he couldn't vaccinate her because she was too sick. He gave them some ointment for her eyes and sent her home with them. BTW, Lucky charmed every last one of the people at the vet clinic - everybody was fussing over her . She died some time in the night; Mom thinks it was early on because rigor was starting to leave her little limbs and there were a few whiffs of decomposition. They're having her funeral this afternoon so Dale's grandson Riley (who bonded amazingly with little Lucky) can have that step to aid in closure. He's hurti!
ng
something awful - Mom said he's been crying since they told him she'd died. Well, to be fair, Mom and Dale have been crying off and on all morning too - Lucky was a special little fluff ball. Mom was saying that Lucky wasn't so lucky after all, but I told her she definitely was. They gave her a loving home for the last little bit of her life and she knew loving people and died safe and warm. She was just too tiny and had had too many stresses on her little body to have anything left to fight with.

Thanks for being here you guys - I love you all!!

p.s. Belinda, I don't know her FeLV status so just put her on the negative listBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous

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