RE: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread keith helgesen
Christopher, my personal likes and needs- and yours, are precisely the point! As I said in my original post- (which sparked Denis's response which created this thread)- I do not want or need anything more complex than Fin 2001 for my usage. My son has a watch which tells the time- in all time

Re: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jun 20, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: I recently did a rather conservative hymn-like choral setting, and adding a extra eighth note to one of the verses (multiple verses stacked below one staff) proved to be a real kludge in Finale! The extra eighth note was reduced in

Re: [Finale] New Question

2007-06-21 Thread dhbailey
John Howell wrote: [snip] imagination, the tools shouldn't make any difference. (Except for not being able to see the entire score page at once, of course, which IS a problem.) That's not a problem anymore either, once you get a monitor which will pivot and is large enough to show the full

Re: [Finale] way off topic

2007-06-21 Thread dhbailey
Carl Dershem wrote: [snip] Or, as a jazz player would say the notes you don't play are as important as the ones you do. :) cd In my case, many people would say the notes I didn't play were more important because there were fewer wrong notes in them! ;-) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL

Re: [Finale] Finale Feature Request--MIDI-- to have the ability to transcribe 3 or MORE voice per staff In Finale

2007-06-21 Thread dhbailey
John Howell wrote: At 1:32 PM -0700 6/19/07, Bob Morabito wrote: Again, Ryan W. (who ALSO wants this feature added, and who has kindly supplied this info thru my online case)) has told me, that to make the feature request vote official, people would need to submit it by opening a case online

Re: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: [snip] I recently did a rather conservative hymn-like choral setting, and adding a extra eighth note to one of the verses (multiple verses stacked below one staff) proved to be a real kludge in Finale! The extra eighth note was reduced in size, you see, and the syllable

Re: [Finale] New Question

2007-06-21 Thread Lawrence David Eden
My response is this: I write and arrange MUCH better using Finale instead of paper and pencil. I guess my inner ear is just not advanced enough to be able to write and know exactly how something will sound, so I rely on Finale playback to test my theories. I think that Beethoven and Mozart

Re: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jun 21, 2007, at 2:23 AM, Mark D Lew wrote: On Jun 20, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: I recently did a rather conservative hymn-like choral setting, and adding a extra eighth note to one of the verses (multiple verses stacked below one staff) proved to be a real kludge in

Re: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread Christopher Smith
Very good point, and it was very civic-minded of you to make it! Christopher On Jun 21, 2007, at 7:33 AM, dhbailey wrote: Bob had asked for support in making a claim for improvement of Finale's midi import, specifically when a single-instrument file such as a piano work is imported,

Re: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jun 21, 2007, at 2:02 AM, keith helgesen wrote: As I said in my original post- (which sparked Denis's response which created this thread)- I do not want or need anything more complex than Fin 2001 for my usage. Hmm, I bet you would really enjoy auto-placing expressions (2004), and

Re: [Finale] New Question

2007-06-21 Thread Andrew Stiller
I think that Beethoven and Mozart would have used Finale if it were available back in their day. This is definitely a generational issue. When I started using Finale in 1991 there was still a whole generation of composers out there who never used a computer for anything, and saw no

Re: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Yeah, like that will happen. Look at their SmartMusic program. They promised 60 new titles a month for it. It was in their literature they sent out marketing it. Here we are, over two months later, and there is been nothing added. In fact, there are some pretty serious problems with the

Re: [Finale] New Question

2007-06-21 Thread Raymond Horton
I'm a boomer (age 54) and write only a few sketches on paper. I work nearly everything out on the computer, being a poor pianist, although I occasionally have some good original ideas working with a pencil away from anything. Working on the computer is fairly slow, but the result is a

Re: [Finale] Separating staff systems

2007-06-21 Thread timothy.key.price
After optimizing a score, is there a simple global default way to put slash marks near the margins to separate each of the staff systems for printing? I have not found it yet nor do I see anything about it in the index. Where should I look? Thanks, tim

Re: [Finale] Separating staff systems

2007-06-21 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 01:21 PM 6/21/2007 -0400, timothy.key.price wrote: After optimizing a score, is there a simple global default way to put slash marks near the margins to separate each of the staff systems for printing? I have not found it yet nor do I see anything about it in the index. Where should I

Re: [Finale] Separating staff systems

2007-06-21 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Jari's plugins do not appear to work with Finale 2007 (Windows XP). The system divider plugin misplaces the dividers, and the space systems plugin crashes the program. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread dhbailey
dc wrote: dhbailey écrit: So out of kindness, add your voices to others' feature requests, and remember that MakeMusic does not monitor this list officially so any suggestions/complaints/bugs mentioned here stay here and if we want MakeMusic to act on anything we have to report it to

Re: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread dhbailey
[snip] At 10:40 AM 6/20/2007 -0400, dhbailey wrote: I have just submitted 3 feature requests (or asked that my name be added to the list of users wanting these features, if such lists already exist): 1) spiral, circular or other graphically-based score capability 2) uneven bar-lines 3)

Re: [Finale] New Question

2007-06-21 Thread Lon Price
On Jun 21, 2007, at 8:56 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: I think that Beethoven and Mozart would have used Finale if it were available back in their day. This is definitely a generational issue. When I started using Finale in 1991 there was still a whole generation of composers out

Re: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread Darcy James Argue
I'd be curious who, specifically at MM wrote this, as it is unusually honest, smart, and non-condescending. Perhaps their tech support is finally getting better? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 21 Jun 2007, at 2:21 PM, dhbailey wrote: [snip] At 10:40 AM

Re: [Finale] Separating staff systems

2007-06-21 Thread Chuck Israels
There is a system divider plug in in 2007. I don't remember when it appeared, but it does seem to do a decent job for my needs. Chuck On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Jari's plugins do not appear to work with Finale 2007 (Windows XP). The system divider plugin

Re: [Finale] Separating staff systems

2007-06-21 Thread Rich Caldwell
On Jun 21, 2007, at 1:21 PM, timothy.key.price wrote: After optimizing a score, is there a simple global default way to put slash marks near the margins to separate each of the staff systems for printing? I have not found it yet nor do I see anything about it in the index. Where should I

Re: [Finale] Separating staff systems

2007-06-21 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 02:31 PM 6/21/2007 -0400, Rich Caldwell wrote: As Dennis just wrote, Jari's plug-in would work in earlier versions of Finale. But if you have 2007, it's included in Finale's own plug- ins, under Scoring and Arranging Score System Divider. Yay! I didn't see it there! And I see it's in 2006

Re: [Finale] New Question

2007-06-21 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jun 21, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Lon Price wrote: I think the biggest problem with working the way I do is the tendency to write only what can be rendered satisfactorily in Finale or Digital Performer. In other words, I sometimes feel that my writing tends to be too safe. When I listen to

Re: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Maybe an online petition or something? Something that is documented, so we can say Hey, MakeMusic, 1000 people want this. dhbailey wrote: That's just it, whether it's bug fixes, new features or improvements to existing features, we need to lobby MakeMusic. And then there's the old you need

Re: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 12:15 PM 6/21/2007 -0800, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Maybe an online petition or something? Something that is documented, so we can say Hey, MakeMusic, 1000 people want this. John Greschak used to have his IWBNI (I forget what it means), but it was abandoned in 2000 with suggestion #724. The pages

Re: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On 6/21/07, Eric Dannewitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe an online petition or something? Something that is documented, so we can say Hey, MakeMusic, 1000 people want this. I suggest a very public webpage/domain, that users can vote or click to add their requests as needed. I've found that

Re: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread dhbailey
I'm not sure I'm really at liberty to say, but it was just a random request on my part, answered by whomever was next in queue I think. The other two requests I made were answered by another individual (the same person for both the other responses) and they were worded much more

Re: [Finale] New Question

2007-06-21 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 06:59 AM 6/21/2007 -0400, dhbailey wrote: John Howell wrote: [snip] imagination, the tools shouldn't make any difference. (Except for not being able to see the entire score page at once, of course, which IS a problem.) That's not a problem anymore either, once you get a monitor which will

Re: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jun 21, 2007, at 3:44 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: John Greschak used to have his IWBNI (I forget what it means), It Would Be Nice If... My main problem with this is sometimes the implementation suggested is not the greatest, which would ruin the suggestion's chances of gaining

Re: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread dhbailey
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: On 6/21/07, Eric Dannewitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe an online petition or something? Something that is documented, so we can say Hey, MakeMusic, 1000 people want this. I suggest a very public webpage/domain, that users can vote or click to add their requests as

Re: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Well, the other idea would be to come up with a FORM letter/email, and have everyone send in the exact same thing so then MakeMusic gets a clue Christopher Smith wrote: On Jun 21, 2007, at 3:44 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: John Greschak used to have his IWBNI (I forget what it

Re: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 04:55 PM 6/21/2007 -0400, Christopher Smith wrote: My main problem with this is sometimes the implementation suggested is not the greatest Yes, but don't miss No. 17. :) Automatic Beaming over Barlines IWBNI automatic beaming over barlines were possible. Specifically, one would want to use

RE: [Finale] e mails

2007-06-21 Thread keith helgesen
I knew this would be an interesting can'o'worms. I, like many others I'm sure, would add our names and weight (plenty here!) to any genuine request to MM- but honestly, I wouldn't have a clue what to ask for most of the time. Many features/bugs/cludges mentioned make my eyes glaze over. I have

Re: [Finale] New Question

2007-06-21 Thread Richard Smith
I agree with you, Raymond. I'm only slightly older than you and have used Finale since 1991 and Sibelius since 1999. I don't think it's as much a generational issue as a sign of the different ways we all think and work. What I find with Finale (and to an even greater extent with Sibelius) is

[Finale] a potential improvement?

2007-06-21 Thread Will Denayer
Hello, I am of course still a complete neophyte in Finale, but so far and given my needs which are not particularly complex at all, I am not displeased. The thing I dislike the most is the manual, which I often find hard to understand. Of course, it has to do with the fact that my native

[Finale] Is this a bug?

2007-06-21 Thread Will Denayer
Hello, I was playing with the articulation tool, 3 measures in 4/4, all quarter notes for violin KS. I put a pluck symbol above the second and the fourth note of the first measure to see if the playback would be right. It is, but the programme plays the second and the fourth note of the

Re:[Finale] Finale Feature Request--MIDI--...

2007-06-21 Thread Michael Good
Hi Bob, MIDI files leave out most notation information, so the interpretation of MIDI files to produce good notation is quite an art form. Finale does well with the basic cases, but as the files get more complicated, the results get worse. I would recommend using another program that can do a

Re: [Finale] Is this a bug?

2007-06-21 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jun 21, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Will Denayer wrote: Hello, I was playing with the articulation tool, 3 measures in 4/4, all quarter notes for violin KS. I put a pluck symbol above the second and the fourth note of the first measure to see if the playback would be right. It is, but the

Re: [Finale] Is this a bug?

2007-06-21 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jun 21, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Jun 21, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Will Denayer wrote: Hello, I was playing with the articulation tool, 3 measures in 4/4, all quarter notes for violin KS. I put a pluck symbol above the second and the fourth note of the first measure to

[Finale] This IS a bug!

2007-06-21 Thread keith helgesen
I'm sure this really is a bug! See Below. Cheers K in OZ Keith Helgesen. image001.gif___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] way off topic

2007-06-21 Thread Chuck Israels
Touché, David! Chuck On Jun 21, 2007, at 6:20 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 20 Jun 2007 at 20:08, Chuck Israels wrote: And the responses I am not posting to the list are surely the best ones! :-) I've often thought that about your posts, Chuck. ;) (who could resist?) -- David W.