[Finale] EPS graphics in Finale-generated PDFs (Mac)
Hello, When you place an EPS graphic in a Finale file and print to PDF using the Finder, the EPS graphic is invisible in the resultant PDF. It's there — the EPS graphic does print — but it is not otherwise visible. Is there some way to fix this so that the graphic becomes visible on-screen? It's obviously very frustrating for both me and my clients to have to explain that even though they don't see the percussion key on-screen, it really is there, and if they just print to paper, etc etc etc… Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] EPS graphics in Finale-generated PDFs (Mac)
Print to ps file, then use Preview to convert to PDF. On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.comwrote: Hello, When you place an EPS graphic in a Finale file and print to PDF using the Finder, the EPS graphic is invisible in the resultant PDF. It's there — the EPS graphic does print — but it is not otherwise visible. Is there some way to fix this so that the graphic becomes visible on-screen? It's obviously very frustrating for both me and my clients to have to explain that even though they don't see the percussion key on-screen, it really is there, and if they just print to paper, etc etc etc… Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] EPS graphics in Finale-generated PDFs (Mac)
Hi Robert, Thanks! I think I used to know that, and subsequently forgot. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Apr 25, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote: Print to ps file, then use Preview to convert to PDF. On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.comwrote: Hello, When you place an EPS graphic in a Finale file and print to PDF using the Finder, the EPS graphic is invisible in the resultant PDF. It's there — the EPS graphic does print — but it is not otherwise visible. Is there some way to fix this so that the graphic becomes visible on-screen? It's obviously very frustrating for both me and my clients to have to explain that even though they don't see the percussion key on-screen, it really is there, and if they just print to paper, etc etc etc… Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] EPS graphics in Finale-generated PDFs (Mac)
I always put non-printing page text reminders on the first page of files where I need to do that. On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.comwrote: Hi Robert, Thanks! I think I used to know that, and subsequently forgot. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Apr 25, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote: Print to ps file, then use Preview to convert to PDF. On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com wrote: Hello, When you place an EPS graphic in a Finale file and print to PDF using the Finder, the EPS graphic is invisible in the resultant PDF. It's there — the EPS graphic does print — but it is not otherwise visible. Is there some way to fix this so that the graphic becomes visible on-screen? It's obviously very frustrating for both me and my clients to have to explain that even though they don't see the percussion key on-screen, it really is there, and if they just print to paper, etc etc etc… Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] eps graphics in Finale 2014
Just trying to guess, as I usually export graphic formats from finale. I would verify if the eps files have been embedded or where linked to the finale file; if linked, a path should be needed for finale to reconnect to the original source. This is usually a case when moving files containing graphics. Giovanni Giovanni Andreani www.giovanniandreani.eu I have a large number of band method files containing fingering chart graphics imported into Finale as eps files. These worked great in Finale 2012, but when I open them in Finale 2014 I just get a dark box where the graphics should be. Anyone encounter this? Does 2014 not support eps? Thanks, Brian Appleby ApRo Music ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] eps graphics in Finale 2014
I have a large number of band method files containing fingering chart graphics imported into Finale as eps files. These worked great in Finale 2012, but when I open them in Finale 2014 I just get a dark box where the graphics should be. Anyone encounter this? Does 2014 not support eps? Thanks, Brian Appleby ApRo Music ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] EPS problems in 2008
The other pages have _nothing_ on them, or do they have some typical corruptions like dotted staff lines (that's an old problem)? Paul Hayden On 28 Mar, Ryan wrote: I have an old document made in FinMac 2008. I need to make EPS files. However, only the first page exports correctly. The other pages of the document don't. Any idea as to what would be causing this? I've done a font check, and removed document fonts that aren't on the system. This is a real mystery. Magnolia Music Press www.paulhayden.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS problems in 2008
Can't you just use PDFs? I don't quite understand why anyone would need or want to use EPS in this day and age, but if for some reason you do need this, I believe you can export the PDF to EPS. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 28 Mar 2012, at 6:17 PM, Ryan wrote: I have an old document made in FinMac 2008. I need to make EPS files. However, only the first page exports correctly. The other pages of the document don't. Any idea as to what would be causing this? I've done a font check, and removed document fonts that aren't on the system. This is a real mystery. Thanks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS problems in 2008
That's what the client wants. I'm not going to argue. On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.net wrote: Can't you just use PDFs? I don't quite understand why anyone would need or want to use EPS in this day and age, but if for some reason you do need this, I believe you can export the PDF to EPS. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 28 Mar 2012, at 6:17 PM, Ryan wrote: I have an old document made in FinMac 2008. I need to make EPS files. However, only the first page exports correctly. The other pages of the document don't. Any idea as to what would be causing this? I've done a font check, and removed document fonts that aren't on the system. This is a real mystery. Thanks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS problems in 2008
The other pages can't be opened period. When importing into illustrator, there is no preview, just a gray box and it won't print. The preview app on my Mac also can't convert it to a PDF. On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Paul Hayden phayden...@cox.net wrote: The other pages have _nothing_ on them, or do they have some typical corruptions like dotted staff lines (that's an old problem)? Paul Hayden On 28 Mar, Ryan wrote: I have an old document made in FinMac 2008. I need to make EPS files. However, only the first page exports correctly. The other pages of the document don't. Any idea as to what would be causing this? I've done a font check, and removed document fonts that aren't on the system. This is a real mystery. Magnolia Music Press www.paulhayden.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS problems in 2008
So have you tried converting the PDF to EPS, like I suggested? Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 29 Mar 2012, at 3:04 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: That's what the client wants. I'm not going to argue. On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.net wrote: Can't you just use PDFs? I don't quite understand why anyone would need or want to use EPS in this day and age, but if for some reason you do need this, I believe you can export the PDF to EPS. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 28 Mar 2012, at 6:17 PM, Ryan wrote: I have an old document made in FinMac 2008. I need to make EPS files. However, only the first page exports correctly. The other pages of the document don't. Any idea as to what would be causing this? I've done a font check, and removed document fonts that aren't on the system. This is a real mystery. Thanks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] EPS problems in 2008
I have an old document made in FinMac 2008. I need to make EPS files. However, only the first page exports correctly. The other pages of the document don't. Any idea as to what would be causing this? I've done a font check, and removed document fonts that aren't on the system. This is a real mystery. Thanks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
so i took darcy's advice and prepared the document in iWork's pages. quite nice. a couple of questions. i note that pages converts eps upon import and that the resulting PDF that i generate is missing some characters from my custom fonts. however using PDF images in the pages document works fine. is there anywhere to define the specific percentage of images in relation to their original? this is a key element in all graphic programmes (and even word) but i can't find it anywhere in pages. i had problems having images inline and being offset into the left margin, in the end i had to place all images as floating, whcih is a drag when i alter the text and create less or more lines of text. also i wanted to copy the german original (with the graphics) and paste for the english translation, but had to redo all the graphics for the english... boring. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
Hi Jef, Unfortunately, Pages doesn't support this. If you need an image to be exactly 75% of its original size, you have to calculate the dimensions manually and enter them into the size boxes. It hasn't been an issue for me -- most often I know the specific dimensions I want and I don't care what the percentage reduction needed to get there might be -- but I can see how that would be a pain if you needed to reducing or enlarge a lot of images by a specific percentage. Probably your best solution in that case would be to resize them in an image editor before bringing them into Pages. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 5 Oct 2011, at 11:44 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: is there anywhere to define the specific percentage of images in relation to their original? this is a key element in all graphic programmes (and even word) but i can't find it anywhere in pages. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
Darcy, Aha! Floating and In line were the salient words I needed! I was able to find them and read up on them in the help file, and sure enough, they work exactly as advertised, and then some! I can even convert one type to the other as needed if I change my mind. Thanks so much. Christopher On Sat Sep 17, at SaturdaySep 17 3:42 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chris, Pages has options to control whether images (even large, full-page images) are in-line and move with the text (in which case they *will* be pushed forward), or are attached to the page. Basically, if you want it to be in-line, make sure there's a flashing insertion point before you insert the PDF. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 17 Sep 2011, at 1:53 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Darcy, I've just changed over to Pages. I am still feeling my way around it, but so far love the PDF import for examples. My problem is what to do with examples that take up a whole page, or several pages. Should I import them one page at a time? They won't be pushed forward a page if I ever change the number of pages before a page of PDF music. is there a way around that? I am having trouble wrapping my head around how this is supposed to work. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
the degradation in image quality in word is remarkable, i just did what you suggested and don't think there is any way this could be better than the 1200 ppi tiffs. i generated a PDF of an image from graphic converter to PDF and printed that (to paper); inserted the PDF at 100% in a word doc and printed directly from word. the two are significantly different in quality. generating a PDF from the word doc and printing that produced the same quality (bad) as printing directly from word. seems the only way i could get higher quality would be to not use word, but some other proper graphics programme like in design or illustrator. My suggestion is to not EPS from Finale. Instead, make a PDF, crop as needed, and insert the PDF graphics into the Word file. Or you could use a graphics program to convert the existing EPS files to PDF. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
Hi Jef, What version of Word are you using? I remember Office 2004 for Mac being particularly bad about image quality. Anyway, Apple's Pages application will import your existing Word file (and even save in Word format, if that's important), and also allow you to place PDFs without any image degradation. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 17 Sep 2011, at 7:35 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: the degradation in image quality in word is remarkable, i just did what you suggested and don't think there is any way this could be better than the 1200 ppi tiffs. i generated a PDF of an image from graphic converter to PDF and printed that (to paper); inserted the PDF at 100% in a word doc and printed directly from word. the two are significantly different in quality. generating a PDF from the word doc and printing that produced the same quality (bad) as printing directly from word. seems the only way i could get higher quality would be to not use word, but some other proper graphics programme like in design or illustrator. My suggestion is to not EPS from Finale. Instead, make a PDF, crop as needed, and insert the PDF graphics into the Word file. Or you could use a graphics program to convert the existing EPS files to PDF. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
I always print to Adobe pdf printer driver (include fonts), open in Acrobat, crop, save as EPS, import into Word. It shows as rough tif preview graphic on screen but prints fine. yes this works fantastic! and the print quality is excellent (even though the PDF i generated from finale is 150 ppi because you can't print using the acrobat driver on leopard), i thought maybe word was the prob, but it handles eps well, but PDF it handles like ass. trying again the graphic tool in finale, i exported a selection, placed in word. the image appears black on screen but prints fine from word. although the quality is slightly -- but visibly -- poorer than with the FIN-PDF-EPS-WORD approach!!! but... when generating a PDF from this word doc, the PDF shows and prints the black box... g. so i think your solution is the best i have come across, but it just seems stupid that FIN-PDF-EPS-MS gets higher quality and better functionality than FIN-EPS-MS. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
What version of Word are you using? I remember Office 2004 for Mac being particularly bad about image quality. aha! bingo. 11.2 (2004) Anyway, Apple's Pages application will import your existing Word file (and even save in Word format, if that's important), and also allow you to place PDFs without any image degradation. ok, thanks. might look into it but i have so much time and energy invested in my word template (and work regularly with other people who use it as well) that i am really hesitant to even bother... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
so i think your solution is the best i have come across, but it just seems stupid that FIN-PDF-EPS-MS gets higher quality and better functionality than FIN-EPS-MS. You are right, of course, but for years nothing at all worked so I am still thrilled there is a way! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
Hi Jef, Pages is a really excellent app. I use it exclusively and the Word import/export does the trick (for my purposes, at least). Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 17 Sep 2011, at 8:31 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: What version of Word are you using? I remember Office 2004 for Mac being particularly bad about image quality. aha! bingo. 11.2 (2004) Anyway, Apple's Pages application will import your existing Word file (and even save in Word format, if that's important), and also allow you to place PDFs without any image degradation. ok, thanks. might look into it but i have so much time and energy invested in my word template (and work regularly with other people who use it as well) that i am really hesitant to even bother... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
Darcy, I've just changed over to Pages. I am still feeling my way around it, but so far love the PDF import for examples. My problem is what to do with examples that take up a whole page, or several pages. Should I import them one page at a time? They won't be pushed forward a page if I ever change the number of pages before a page of PDF music. is there a way around that? I am having trouble wrapping my head around how this is supposed to work. Christopher On Sat Sep 17, at SaturdaySep 17 12:40 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Jef, Pages is a really excellent app. I use it exclusively and the Word import/export does the trick (for my purposes, at least). Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 17 Sep 2011, at 8:31 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: What version of Word are you using? I remember Office 2004 for Mac being particularly bad about image quality. aha! bingo. 11.2 (2004) Anyway, Apple's Pages application will import your existing Word file (and even save in Word format, if that's important), and also allow you to place PDFs without any image degradation. ok, thanks. might look into it but i have so much time and energy invested in my word template (and work regularly with other people who use it as well) that i am really hesitant to even bother... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
ok, will look into it, am convinced to take the time now. just need to find the damn iWork installation discs. thanks, jef Pages is a really excellent app. I use it exclusively and the Word import/export does the trick (for my purposes, at least). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
Hi Chris, Pages has options to control whether images (even large, full-page images) are in-line and move with the text (in which case they *will* be pushed forward), or are attached to the page. Basically, if you want it to be in-line, make sure there's a flashing insertion point before you insert the PDF. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 17 Sep 2011, at 1:53 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Darcy, I've just changed over to Pages. I am still feeling my way around it, but so far love the PDF import for examples. My problem is what to do with examples that take up a whole page, or several pages. Should I import them one page at a time? They won't be pushed forward a page if I ever change the number of pages before a page of PDF music. is there a way around that? I am having trouble wrapping my head around how this is supposed to work. Christopher On Sat Sep 17, at SaturdaySep 17 12:40 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Jef, Pages is a really excellent app. I use it exclusively and the Word import/export does the trick (for my purposes, at least). Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 17 Sep 2011, at 8:31 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: What version of Word are you using? I remember Office 2004 for Mac being particularly bad about image quality. aha! bingo. 11.2 (2004) Anyway, Apple's Pages application will import your existing Word file (and even save in Word format, if that's important), and also allow you to place PDFs without any image degradation. ok, thanks. might look into it but i have so much time and energy invested in my word template (and work regularly with other people who use it as well) that i am really hesitant to even bother... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
Hi Jef, You can just buy it from the App Store, or download it from Apple's website. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 17 Sep 2011, at 2:01 PM, SN jef chippewa wrote: ok, will look into it, am convinced to take the time now. just need to find the damn iWork installation discs. thanks, jef Pages is a really excellent app. I use it exclusively and the Word import/export does the trick (for my purposes, at least). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
exporting EPS from finale i can view them correctly in graphics programmes but then when using them in word they appear as full black images. tif (1200 ppi) functions fine. i saved the same word file as PS, opened in distiller (set to convert to 1200 ppi) and the resulting PDF is only 150 ppi...? anyone know why this might happen? trying to get a PDF of the score and covers/notes ready for publisher... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
Hi Jef, My suggestion is to not EPS from Finale. Instead, make a PDF, crop as needed, and insert the PDF graphics into the Word file. Or you could use a graphics program to convert the existing EPS files to PDF. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 16 Sep 2011, at 10:25 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: exporting EPS from finale i can view them correctly in graphics programmes but then when using them in word they appear as full black images. tif (1200 ppi) functions fine. i saved the same word file as PS, opened in distiller (set to convert to 1200 ppi) and the resulting PDF is only 150 ppi...? anyone know why this might happen? trying to get a PDF of the score and covers/notes ready for publisher... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
I always print to Adobe pdf printer driver (include fonts), open in Acrobat, crop, save as EPS, import into Word. It shows as rough tif preview graphic on screen but prints fine. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of SN jef chippewa Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 7:26 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word exporting EPS from finale i can view them correctly in graphics programmes but then when using them in word they appear as full black images. tif (1200 ppi) functions fine. i saved the same word file as PS, opened in distiller (set to convert to 1200 ppi) and the resulting PDF is only 150 ppi...? anyone know why this might happen? trying to get a PDF of the score and covers/notes ready for publisher... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
I converted a whole cartload of existing EPS graphics (from Fin 2005) to PDF with Preview. Worked great! I don't know the answer to the Word question. I hate the durned piece of petach! (Klingon for crap!) Christopher On Fri Sep 16, at FridaySep 16 10:58 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Jef, My suggestion is to not EPS from Finale. Instead, make a PDF, crop as needed, and insert the PDF graphics into the Word file. Or you could use a graphics program to convert the existing EPS files to PDF. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 16 Sep 2011, at 10:25 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: exporting EPS from finale i can view them correctly in graphics programmes but then when using them in word they appear as full black images. tif (1200 ppi) functions fine. i saved the same word file as PS, opened in distiller (set to convert to 1200 ppi) and the resulting PDF is only 150 ppi...? anyone know why this might happen? trying to get a PDF of the score and covers/notes ready for publisher... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Eps page export / resize staff
I try it on a music page and everything is Ok apart colors in CMJN (blue, red, yellow, black) : I don't find the way to obtain a pdf file only in N and no elements in CMJ. Any ideas? Thanks. Pierre -Message d'origine- From: dc Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:49 AM To: finale@shsu.edu ; finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Eps page export / resize staff Pierre Bailleul écrit: Printing finale page file with adobe pdf is working well, but I'd like to work on eps file (with all the fonts) in illustrator. Save it as EPS from the PDF. I've always got much better results this way, as I said earlier. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Eps page export / resize staff
Hi all, (Fin 2011b.r2, Win 7 64 bits) Try this : 1. new document default; 2. enter some notes and slurs on meas. 1; 3. copy and paste meas. 1 in the first meas. of staff 2; 4. export eps page; 5. open eps file (illustrator); Result : Ok. Now, before exporting, resize staff to other than 100% : Result : wrong slur placement only in the first meas. of staff 2! Can anybody help me? Thanks. Pierre ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Eps page export / resize staff
Printing finale page file with adobe pdf is working well, but I'd like to work on eps file (with all the fonts) in illustrator. Pierre -Message d'origine- From: dc Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 8:35 PM To: finale@shsu.edu ; finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Eps page export / resize staff Pierre Bailleul écrit: Try this : 1. new document default; 2. enter some notes and slurs on meas. 1; 3. copy and paste meas. 1 in the first meas. of staff 2; 4. export eps page; 5. open eps file (illustrator); Result : Ok. Now, before exporting, resize staff to other than 100% : Result : wrong slur placement only in the first meas. of staff 2! Can anybody help me? Did you try doing this via a PDF, as suggested? What happens in that case? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Eps page export / resize staff
I think the suggestion (and the way I do it with FinWin2007) is to print a page as pdf then open that in Acrobat, crop as I want, and save as eps with fonts. Those eps files seem to be working fine across applications and platforms. Richard Yates Printing finale page file with adobe pdf is working well, but I'd like to work on eps file (with all the fonts) in illustrator. Pierre Did you try doing this via a PDF, as suggested? What happens in that case? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Eps exporting Font problem
Hi all, Using Fin 2010b on Win7, I don’t understand why Times and some others fonts on lyrics are not successfully exported in eps? For example, the eps files openned in illustrator substitute Myriad pro font instead of Times font. (Sorry for my bad english) Some ideas? Thanks. Pierre ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS/PS/TIF/PIC to PDF questions
Hello Paul, I've seen this on occasion. It has to do with using a dotted smart shape within a system. These shapes CAN give you the results you are seeing. It's not always a consistent problem. The 3rd system is not using any dotted smart shapes so as you can see there is no problems. As an experiment, remove all dotted lines and recreate the PDF. You will see everything perfectly. This is very difficult to fix. I have had to hunt and peck around to find the corrupt item that causes the problem. I generally erase notes, measures, etc...then re-enter them which sometimes takes care of the problem. It's not easy and very frustrating. I've also seen this happen on proofs back from the press and it is usually a problem with the printer's RIP. I've also seen restarting the computer and recompiling fix the problem. This issue is not only relevant to 2009, it goes back quite a few versions. I hope this helps you track down the problem. Steve Fiskum 2/19/10 5:35 PM, Paul Hayden phayden...@cox.net wrote: FinMac09 Mac OS X 10.5.8 Finale, export as EPS or compile PS listing, convert to PDF with Distiller or with Apple Preview. I get this (missing staff lines, stems, multimeasure rest symbol, Smart Shapes): http://files.me.com/haydenp/ozvsg5. Finale, export as TIF or PIC, convert to PDF with Preview. All is okay. Finale, Print, PDFSave as PDF. All is okay. 1. Why would the PS and EPS files be damaged? Bad font (Maestro)? 2. I know you can embed fonts in a PDF. Can you also do that in a TIF or PIC file, or are those just purely image formats (like GIF and JPG)? 3. When you convert a PS file to a PDF file, are fonts imbedded in the PDF? Thanks. Paul Hayden Magnolia Music Press www.paulhayden.com Voice Pre-arranged fax: 225-769-9604 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS/PS/TIF/PIC to PDF questions
With Mac 10.5 you can often solve font-related issues by clearing the font cache. (Google the topic and you will find much discussion and suggested solutions.) When I switched to Leopard I had mound of similar sounding problems until I cleared my font cache. If your Finale file contains embedded (or linked) EPS files, you *must* compile to PS then use Apple Preview to convert to PDF. Printing straight to PDF from Finale inserts the placeholder rather than the EPS into the PDF (at least as of Fin09. They might have fixed this in Fin10.) Generally I find that Apple Preview is more reliable than Adobe Reader, but I have not worked much with the latest version of Adobe Reader. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Paul Hayden phayden...@cox.net wrote: FinMac09 Mac OS X 10.5.8 Finale, export as EPS or compile PS listing, convert to PDF with Distiller or with Apple Preview. I get this (missing staff lines, stems, multimeasure rest symbol, Smart Shapes): http://files.me.com/haydenp/ozvsg5. Finale, export as TIF or PIC, convert to PDF with Preview. All is okay. Finale, Print, PDFSave as PDF. All is okay. 1. Why would the PS and EPS files be damaged? Bad font (Maestro)? 2. I know you can embed fonts in a PDF. Can you also do that in a TIF or PIC file, or are those just purely image formats (like GIF and JPG)? 3. When you convert a PS file to a PDF file, are fonts imbedded in the PDF? Thanks. Paul Hayden Magnolia Music Press www.paulhayden.com Voice Pre-arranged fax: 225-769-9604 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS/PS/TIF/PIC to PDF questions
This happens to me all too often. As Steve says, it can be hunt-and-peck. I've learned to back up to the last good symbol that has a line involved, and delete it. I'd do the 104 rectangle first (assuming the previous page is good). Then the dashed slur. Sometimes just moving them a little gets rid of the problem. The trick is finding the last item with a line of some kind that's entered in a given measure just before the problem appears -- the order seems to matter. If I change a measure and enter a graphical item earlier or later, the problem may go away (or may move to another place in the score). I chased one of these down for hours two years ago in a big orchestral score with lots of lines and curves. I'd fix one and it would move down a page or two. Eventually I chased it off the end. :) Dennis On Mon, February 22, 2010 9:57 am, Fiskum, Steve wrote: Hello Paul, I've seen this on occasion. It has to do with using a dotted smart shape within a system. These shapes CAN give you the results you are seeing. It's not always a consistent problem. The 3rd system is not using any dotted smart shapes so as you can see there is no problems. As an experiment, remove all dotted lines and recreate the PDF. You will see everything perfectly. This is very difficult to fix. I have had to hunt and peck around to find the corrupt item that causes the problem. I generally erase notes, measures, etc...then re-enter them which sometimes takes care of the problem. It's not easy and very frustrating. I've also seen this happen on proofs back from the press and it is usually a problem with the printer's RIP. I've also seen restarting the computer and recompiling fix the problem. This issue is not only relevant to 2009, it goes back quite a few versions. I hope this helps you track down the problem. Steve Fiskum 2/19/10 5:35 PM, Paul Hayden phayden...@cox.net wrote: FinMac09 Mac OS X 10.5.8 Finale, export as EPS or compile PS listing, convert to PDF with Distiller or with Apple Preview. I get this (missing staff lines, stems, multimeasure rest symbol, Smart Shapes): http://files.me.com/haydenp/ozvsg5. Finale, export as TIF or PIC, convert to PDF with Preview. All is okay. Finale, Print, PDFSave as PDF. All is okay. 1. Why would the PS and EPS files be damaged? Bad font (Maestro)? 2. I know you can embed fonts in a PDF. Can you also do that in a TIF or PIC file, or are those just purely image formats (like GIF and JPG)? 3. When you convert a PS file to a PDF file, are fonts imbedded in the PDF? Thanks. Paul Hayden Magnolia Music Press www.paulhayden.com Voice Pre-arranged fax: 225-769-9604 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS/PS/TIF/PIC to PDF questions
Remember too, that Smart lines using custom arrowheads do not print to PDF at all, causing errors in the PDF and EPS creation. I think I remember there being issues with rotated text in Smart Lines too, but I can't remember now what it was exactly. Christopher On Mon Feb 22, at MondayFeb 22 10:26 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: This happens to me all too often. As Steve says, it can be hunt-and-peck. I've learned to back up to the last good symbol that has a line involved, and delete it. I'd do the 104 rectangle first (assuming the previous page is good). Then the dashed slur. Sometimes just moving them a little gets rid of the problem. The trick is finding the last item with a line of some kind that's entered in a given measure just before the problem appears -- the order seems to matter. If I change a measure and enter a graphical item earlier or later, the problem may go away (or may move to another place in the score). I chased one of these down for hours two years ago in a big orchestral score with lots of lines and curves. I'd fix one and it would move down a page or two. Eventually I chased it off the end. :) Dennis On Mon, February 22, 2010 9:57 am, Fiskum, Steve wrote: Hello Paul, I've seen this on occasion. It has to do with using a dotted smart shape within a system. These shapes CAN give you the results you are seeing. It's not always a consistent problem. The 3rd system is not using any dotted smart shapes so as you can see there is no problems. As an experiment, remove all dotted lines and recreate the PDF. You will see everything perfectly. This is very difficult to fix. I have had to hunt and peck around to find the corrupt item that causes the problem. I generally erase notes, measures, etc...then re-enter them which sometimes takes care of the problem. It's not easy and very frustrating. I've also seen this happen on proofs back from the press and it is usually a problem with the printer's RIP. I've also seen restarting the computer and recompiling fix the problem. This issue is not only relevant to 2009, it goes back quite a few versions. I hope this helps you track down the problem. Steve Fiskum 2/19/10 5:35 PM, Paul Hayden phayden...@cox.net wrote: FinMac09 Mac OS X 10.5.8 Finale, export as EPS or compile PS listing, convert to PDF with Distiller or with Apple Preview. I get this (missing staff lines, stems, multimeasure rest symbol, Smart Shapes): http://files.me.com/haydenp/ozvsg5. Finale, export as TIF or PIC, convert to PDF with Preview. All is okay. Finale, Print, PDFSave as PDF. All is okay. 1. Why would the PS and EPS files be damaged? Bad font (Maestro)? 2. I know you can embed fonts in a PDF. Can you also do that in a TIF or PIC file, or are those just purely image formats (like GIF and JPG)? 3. When you convert a PS file to a PDF file, are fonts imbedded in the PDF? Thanks. Paul Hayden Magnolia Music Press www.paulhayden.com Voice Pre-arranged fax: 225-769-9604 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS/PS/TIF/PIC to PDF questions
Am 20.02.10 00:35, schrieb Paul Hayden: 1. Why would the PS and EPS files be damaged? Bad font (Maestro)? I don't know, but it seems to work for some and not for others. I have used this method without problems in the past. 2. I know you can embed fonts in a PDF. Can you also do that in a TIF or PIC file, or are those just purely image formats (like GIF and JPG)? You cannot embed fonts in a TIF file. PICTs are a little more complicated, but I believe you cannot embed fonts either. TIFs are bitmap files, while PICTs are a mixture. Whatever the case, I would not use any of those formats if you want to make PDFs from Finale files. You lose the font and vector information and the PDFs are effectively bitmaps. 3. When you convert a PS file to a PDF file, are fonts imbedded in the PDF? Yes, normally they are, although with Adobe Distiller I believe you could force it not to embed. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] EPS/PS/TIF/PIC to PDF questions
FinMac09 Mac OS X 10.5.8 Finale, export as EPS or compile PS listing, convert to PDF with Distiller or with Apple Preview. I get this (missing staff lines, stems, multimeasure rest symbol, Smart Shapes): http://files.me.com/haydenp/ozvsg5. Finale, export as TIF or PIC, convert to PDF with Preview. All is okay. Finale, Print, PDFSave as PDF. All is okay. 1. Why would the PS and EPS files be damaged? Bad font (Maestro)? 2. I know you can embed fonts in a PDF. Can you also do that in a TIF or PIC file, or are those just purely image formats (like GIF and JPG)? 3. When you convert a PS file to a PDF file, are fonts imbedded in the PDF? Thanks. Paul Hayden Magnolia Music Press www.paulhayden.com Voice Pre-arranged fax: 225-769-9604 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] EPS files
Can anyone confirm that Windows version of Finale 2010 cannot embed Times (Type 1 - Adobe) when exporting to EPS file? Times New Roman seems to work, but numerous other fonts don't. Dejan Badnjar Musette Desktop Music Publishing 63 Zina Street Orangeville, Ontario L9W 1E5 CANADA Tel.: (519) 942-0407 Fax: (519) 942-4417 muse...@rogers.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] EPS to MS Word
I frequently export EPS files from Finale (2008a.r1 for Mac) for use in our church bulletins. The secretary imports them into Word (I have 2004 for Mac; she has 2007 for Windows) and prints them on a laser printer. This process usually goes off without a hitch, but sometimes--usually when I'm sending the files to someone else (and/or have a tight deadline)--I have a few recurring problems: -The EPS files print out jaggy. I recently had to redo a whole handout in TIFF files because we simply couldn't get the EPS files to behave. I'm encapsulating the fonts, so it should print out cleanly. It looks fine on the screen, but prints out at what appears to be the screen's 72dpi. -The EPS files print out with a different font. I'm sure you've all seen this before--the notes become random symbols. Once again, if I've encapsulated the fonts this shouldn't be happening, right? -Sometimes the music prints out just fine except there's a light grey line bordering the whole musical example. It's not the end of the world, but when you've spent hours on the look of your printed materials, this is extremely annoying. Any help you can give me would be appreciated. Problems #2 and #3 are currently happening, and yes, I have a tight deadline. I anticipate #1 may happen when I send off the files to be printed. Peace, Greg -- Greg Scheer Minister of Worship, Church of the Servant 3835 Burton SE Grand Rapids, MI 49546; 616-956-7611x26 home: 4364 Downing St SE Grand Rapids, MI 49546; 616-464-1505 g...@gregscheer.com * www.gregscheer.com * musicblog.gregscheer.com The existence of language is one of the many phenomena of which love and music are the two strongest which suggest that human beings are very much more than collections of meat. --A N Wilson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS to MS Word
Not an expert on this. I wonder if you installed the Microsoft XPS document printer and printed to that, if it would be more compatible? At 5/28/2009 09:23 AM, Greg Scheer wrote: I frequently export EPS files from Finale (2008a.r1 for Mac) for use in our church bulletins. The secretary imports them into Word (I have 2004 for Mac; she has 2007 for Windows) and prints them on a laser printer. This process usually goes off without a hitch, but sometimes--usually when I'm sending the files to someone else (and/or have a tight deadline)--I have a few recurring problems: ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS to MS Word
No go. While it makes a nice web document, word can't read it, sorry. At 5/28/2009 09:42 AM, Phil Daley wrote: Not an expert on this. I wonder if you installed the Microsoft XPS document printer and printed to that, if it would be more compatible? At 5/28/2009 09:23 AM, Greg Scheer wrote: I frequently export EPS files from Finale (2008a.r1 for Mac) for use in our church bulletins. The secretary imports them into Word (I have 2004 for Mac; she has 2007 for Windows) and prints them on a laser printer. This process usually goes off without a hitch, but sometimes--usually when I'm sending the files to someone else (and/or have a tight deadline)--I have a few recurring problems: ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS to MS Word
On 28.05.2009 Greg Scheer wrote: -The EPS files print out jaggy. I recently had to redo a whole handout in TIFF files because we simply couldn't get the EPS files to behave. I'm encapsulating the fonts, so it should print out cleanly. It looks fine on the screen, but prints out at what appears to be the screen's 72dpi. In this case it is only printing the preview image, usually a low-res TIff. Perhaps you printed to a non-postscript printer? Personally I think you would be better off making PDFs before you give the files to someone else to be printed, that would almost certainly solve all the problems. On the Mac this is easy, although you may have to first print to a PS file and then open that PS file in Preview. Otherwise the EPS may not come out properly. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS and Word
Andrew Moschou wrote: I attended a public lecture about a year ago that was done by Alan Noble the Director of Google Australia New Zealand. There, I learnt that Google's betas should be considered differently to other software betas. At Google, they believe that their products will never be perfect, and they are always updating and changing them, so their products indefinitely remain in beta status. In contrast, other software company label their products in beta status only for some testing period before a major release. Andrew What a load of crap -- That's just putting spin on their decision to leave things labeled 'beta' so that when something goes wrong or someone complains that it doesn't work like it should, Google can say what did you expect, it's still in beta! and thus let themselves off the hook. Of course all the other companies are similarly self-serving in the ways they foist bug-riddled software on the public, so they're not any better. But Google isn't able to take the moral high ground just because they label their products 'beta' versions. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
SV: [Finale] EPS and Word
I use the converter listed here to open docx in my older version of Word. It works fine. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word/HA100444731033.aspx Roger Jeffs Skien videregående skole Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] på vegne av John Howell Sendt: ma 08.09.2008 04:36 Til: finale@shsu.edu Emne: Re: [Finale] EPS and Word At 6:58 PM -0400 9/7/08, Darcy James Argue wrote: For the record: I have learned that Word 2008 fixes the longstanding problem with EPS on-screen. It also fixes the problem I was having with generating a PDF from a Word document that includes EPS graphics. Cheers, - Darcy Good news for many people, no doubt, but please be warned that Word 2008 (for Mac) probably shares the same problem as Word 2007 (for Windows), in that it saves files in a new .docx format that cannot be opened in ANY PREVIOUS VERSION OF WORD. It also messes up some math stuff and/or symbols, but I haven't encountered that. I discovered the problem a year ago, when students using new Windows computers started sending me homework files that I COULD NOT OPEN! I did track down a converter on the MS website, but it's a beta version and I hesitate to trust it. And in my research trying to figure out what had happened, I also discovered that a number of scholarly journals, for whom accuracy is extremely important, had flat out started refusing to accept manuscripts in the new .docx format. Once again, Microsoft moves to take over the world, since we barely stopped them from taking over the Internet with their buggy Explorer and Outlook Express. But no backward compatibility is good marketing but very poor planning. Like Finale. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS and Word...and other stream-of-unconsciousness observations
Christopher Smith wrote: [snip] (Man, linked parts would be AWESOME if you could assign different measure number attributes for parts and score, and different font sizes for expressions in the parts and score. Assigning one expression to show only in the score, then duplicating it, reducing the size and assigning it to show only in parts is a big time suck. All I want is the size to be right for both situations. Sometimes I can set a fixed size of 10 or so, but other times that is still too large for the score. Wouldn't it be terrific if Finale2010 had only a couple of major features changed: 1) measure numbers in parts unlinked to the score 2) percussion maps made totally transparent and easy, using english terms and not requiring voodoo rituals and fervent prayer to work properly 3) the ability to use plug-ins on parts and not have their effects show up in the score If they did that, I'd buy that upgrade in an instant. With the only major improvements(?) in 2009 being the new expressions and the new player for the GPO samples (which apparently allows use of other VST plugins), it's the first upgrade I'll skip since I first bought Finale way back at version 3.5. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: SV: [Finale] EPS and Word
Roger Jeffs wrote: I use the converter listed here to open docx in my older version of Word. It works fine. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word/HA100444731033.aspx All this discussion about the availability of converters and the possibility of changing the default file-format for Word2007 to save files in begs a huge question about why MS changed the default format to begin with -- members of this list are computer literate (for the most part) and aren't afraid of looking under the hood of the programs we use nor of searching for tools to solve the computer problems we run into. A huge segment of the Word-using population (and the computer population in general) haven't got a clue that there are such things as file-format converters, nor are they aware that they can change how their software works. My wife (who has used computers for many years yet still remains a newbie) was taking an on-line course where the teacher was sending things out in .docx format. We use WordPerfect in our house and it couldn't open them. Many others in the class were using earlier versions of Word, and NOBODY could open the files. And the teacher had no clue what to do about it! I had to tell my wife what to send to the teacher in an e-mail about changing the format, and I don't even use Word! It's incredibly short-sighted of Microsoft to have done what it did, and while it can be changed easily 1) if you know where to look in the program to change it and 2) you're willing to make that change and 3) you're even aware that a change is possible and 4) you have any clue why people you share files with can't open them. Most computer users are totally ignorant of what goes on under the hood and will never do what many of us on this list would have done within minutes of using the program or within minutes of receiving a file we couldn't open from someone using the new version of Word. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: SV: [Finale] EPS and Word
On 9 Sep 2008 at 6:26, dhbailey wrote: All this discussion about the availability of converters and the possibility of changing the default file-format for Word2007 to save files in begs a huge question about why MS changed the default format to begin with Microsoft had kept stable (or transparently interoperable) file formats in Word since Word97. That's 10 years of no change in file format. The change was actually made to get away from a binary-based file format in order to implement a text-based format based on XML. The point of this was to make the files more universally readable/writable. This was a move on MS's part to move to a more open text-based file format, as opposed to a closed binary format. Now, there are some caveats there, so MS is not entirely without sin on the question of playing with formats (this is why MS's proposal for making a version of the format a standard has been rejected), but the main reason it was done was a good one. It would be like MM moving to an ETF-like file format away from the current binary format. My wife (who has used computers for many years yet still remains a newbie) was taking an on-line course where the teacher was sending things out in .docx format. We use WordPerfect in our house and it couldn't open them. Many others in the class were using earlier versions of Word, and NOBODY could open the files. And the teacher had no clue what to do about it! I had to tell my wife what to send to the teacher in an e-mail about changing the format, and I don't even use Word! It's incredibly short-sighted of Microsoft to have done what it did, No, what's shortsighted is not introducing a new file format, but doing it in a hidden way, not informing new users that it has been done. They could have made the old file format the default, but that would have been a way of killing DOCX entirely, since the same I don't care what's under the hood users you're describing would never investigate the FILE TYPE dropdown of the SAVE dialog box. It's pretty easy to have a dialog pop up the first time the user saves a file and explains the situation, and gives the user the option of using the DOCX format by default or of using the legacy format. Most computer users are totally ignorant of what goes on under the hood and will never do what many of us on this list would have done within minutes of using the program or within minutes of receiving a file we couldn't open from someone using the new version of Word. While this is probably true, it's a recipe for stagnation of all computer programs if software designers therefore conclude that they should never introduce changes to file formats because of this. It's a hard problem, but not exactly unresolvable. I would certainly agree that MS didn't do it right (just as they screwed up the introduction of the alternatve file formats in Word 2000). -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS and Word
At 6:40 PM -0400 9/8/08, David W. Fenton wrote: On 7 Sep 2008 at 22:36, John Howell wrote: At 6:58 PM -0400 9/7/08, Darcy James Argue wrote: For the record: I have learned that Word 2008 fixes the longstanding problem with EPS on-screen. It also fixes the problem I was having with generating a PDF from a Word document that includes EPS graphics. Good news for many people, no doubt, but please be warned that Word 2008 (for Mac) probably shares the same problem as Word 2007 (for Windows), in that it saves files in a new .docx format that cannot be opened in ANY PREVIOUS VERSION OF WORD. It also messes up some math stuff and/or symbols, but I haven't encountered that. Did you bother to do even the slightest investigation to discover if Word 2008 could be set to save in DOC format by default? I doubt it, since I just spent 10 seconds on Google and found this: http://www.creativetechs.com/iq/save_word_2008_files_as_doc_instead_of _docx.html It makes it pretty clear how easy it is to set the default file format, and these are instructions you could easily give to students, for instance (if you are too bloody-minded to install the DOCX file filter). Of course I did! Although a year ago I didn't find that site. And once I understood what had happened I DID instruct my students in how to save as .doc files instead of .docx. And some of them actually remembered to do it! I discovered the problem a year ago, when students using new Windows computers started sending me homework files that I COULD NOT OPEN! I did track down a converter on the MS website, but it's a beta version and I hesitate to trust it. The final version (i.e., non-beta) was released May 15th. Thanks for that. I'll investigate both that and the link given above, and I really appreciate them. And in my research trying to figure out what had happened, I also discovered that a number of scholarly journals, for whom accuracy is extremely important, had flat out started refusing to accept manuscripts in the new .docx format. And this is because they are lazy, or just too bloody stupid to cope with reality. I don't think it had to do with text, which is pretty simple, but with the distortion of either math formulas or symbols or something like that. I don't do those things, so I haven't investigated further, and don't entirely understand what the problem(s) were. The filter in beta was apparently reliable from what I've read. It has worked well for me, but again, I'm only dealing with text. Google, for instance, has virtually no products that are *not* still in beta. Do you refuse to use any of Google's beta services? I'm not sure what that means. What are Google's services? In the meantime, I have a new generation of students to educate about .docx, since the school hasn't upgraded us to MacWord 2008 and I still can't open the files. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS and Word
On 9 Sep 2008 at 19:01, John Howell wrote: At 6:40 PM -0400 9/8/08, David W. Fenton wrote: Google, for instance, has virtually no products that are *not* still in beta. Do you refuse to use any of Google's beta services? I'm not sure what that means. What are Google's services? GMail is a beta, as is everything else they've ever released to the public. The latest is their new browser, Chrome. GMail has been in beta for what, five years? Beta software is often very *good* software, and it's not a valid reason to reject using it, especially for something as relatively trivial as a file filter. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS and Word
I attended a public lecture about a year ago that was done by Alan Noble the Director of Google Australia New Zealand. There, I learnt that Google's betas should be considered differently to other software betas. At Google, they believe that their products will never be perfect, and they are always updating and changing them, so their products indefinitely remain in beta status. In contrast, other software company label their products in beta status only for some testing period before a major release. Andrew 2008/9/10 David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9 Sep 2008 at 19:01, John Howell wrote: At 6:40 PM -0400 9/8/08, David W. Fenton wrote: Google, for instance, has virtually no products that are *not* still in beta. Do you refuse to use any of Google's beta services? I'm not sure what that means. What are Google's services? GMail is a beta, as is everything else they've ever released to the public. The latest is their new browser, Chrome. GMail has been in beta for what, five years? Beta software is often very *good* software, and it's not a valid reason to reject using it, especially for something as relatively trivial as a file filter. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS and Word
At 6:58 PM -0400 9/7/08, Darcy James Argue wrote: For the record: I have learned that Word 2008 fixes the longstanding problem with EPS on-screen. It also fixes the problem I was having with generating a PDF from a Word document that includes EPS graphics. Cheers, - Darcy Good news for many people, no doubt, but please be warned that Word 2008 (for Mac) probably shares the same problem as Word 2007 (for Windows), in that it saves files in a new .docx format that cannot be opened in ANY PREVIOUS VERSION OF WORD. It also messes up some math stuff and/or symbols, but I haven't encountered that. I discovered the problem a year ago, when students using new Windows computers started sending me homework files that I COULD NOT OPEN! I did track down a converter on the MS website, but it's a beta version and I hesitate to trust it. And in my research trying to figure out what had happened, I also discovered that a number of scholarly journals, for whom accuracy is extremely important, had flat out started refusing to accept manuscripts in the new .docx format. Once again, Microsoft moves to take over the world, since we barely stopped them from taking over the Internet with their buggy Explorer and Outlook Express. But no backward compatibility is good marketing but very poor planning. Like Finale. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS and Word
On 7 Sep 2008 at 22:36, John Howell wrote: At 6:58 PM -0400 9/7/08, Darcy James Argue wrote: For the record: I have learned that Word 2008 fixes the longstanding problem with EPS on-screen. It also fixes the problem I was having with generating a PDF from a Word document that includes EPS graphics. Good news for many people, no doubt, but please be warned that Word 2008 (for Mac) probably shares the same problem as Word 2007 (for Windows), in that it saves files in a new .docx format that cannot be opened in ANY PREVIOUS VERSION OF WORD. It also messes up some math stuff and/or symbols, but I haven't encountered that. Did you bother to do even the slightest investigation to discover if Word 2008 could be set to save in DOC format by default? I doubt it, since I just spent 10 seconds on Google and found this: http://www.creativetechs.com/iq/save_word_2008_files_as_doc_instead_of _docx.html It makes it pretty clear how easy it is to set the default file format, and these are instructions you could easily give to students, for instance (if you are too bloody-minded to install the DOCX file filter). I discovered the problem a year ago, when students using new Windows computers started sending me homework files that I COULD NOT OPEN! I did track down a converter on the MS website, but it's a beta version and I hesitate to trust it. The final version (i.e., non-beta) was released May 15th. And in my research trying to figure out what had happened, I also discovered that a number of scholarly journals, for whom accuracy is extremely important, had flat out started refusing to accept manuscripts in the new .docx format. And this is because they are lazy, or just too bloody stupid to cope with reality. Once again, Microsoft moves to take over the world, since we barely stopped them from taking over the Internet with their buggy Explorer and Outlook Express. But no backward compatibility is good marketing but very poor planning. Like Finale. The filter in beta was apparently reliable from what I've read. Google, for instance, has virtually no products that are *not* still in beta. Do you refuse to use any of Google's beta services? If not, then what's the difference? Is it just because you have an irrational hatred of Microsoft? Have you done any homework on this subject since the last time you posted your onlist diatribe about DOCX? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS and Word
John Howell wrote: Good news for many people, no doubt, but please be warned that Word 2008 (for Mac) probably shares the same problem as Word 2007 (for Windows), in that it saves files in a new .docx format that cannot be opened in ANY PREVIOUS VERSION OF WORD. It also messes up some math stuff and/or symbols, but I haven't encountered that. I discovered the problem a year ago, when students using new Windows computers started sending me homework files that I COULD NOT OPEN! I did track down a converter on the MS website, but it's a beta version and I hesitate to trust it. And in my research trying to figure out what had happened, I also discovered that a number of scholarly journals, for whom accuracy is extremely important, had flat out started refusing to accept manuscripts in the new .docx format. Once again, Microsoft moves to take over the world, since we barely stopped them from taking over the Internet with their buggy Explorer and Outlook Express. But no backward compatibility is good marketing but very poor planning. Like Finale. John Shame on MSWord for doing, once, what Finale does, every year. I know - it's not the same, and it is a big headache. I first ran into it last year when I was sent a _postcard_ to proofread - with about twenty words on it, but the docx made it impossible for me. Raymond Horton ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] EPS and Word...and other stream-of-unconsciousness observations
I find myself (gasp!) in the awkward position (shudder) of defending (aghhh) Microsoft... It is not IMPERATIVE to save a Word 2007 in .DOCX format. There is an option to save in any number of other formats, including the least common denominator .DOC for Word 97-2003. It even goes back further IIRC...unlike a certain other piece of s/w. BTW, I tried XMLing a 2009 document to open in 2008...for whatever reason, my beam widths all went from 12 EVPUs to 18.25 or so EVPUs. Obviously quick to fix, but odd. As I get my feet wetter and wetter with linked parts, I'm finding it less to my liking...I've had to do the score for score and score for parts thing...I'm used to that, but the finagling that has to be done to get voiced parts from combined staves, euphonium TC and BC, piccolo in and out, etc is a boatload of trouble. Perhaps linked parts are not optimal for band/wind ensemble work. Maybe some combination of linked parts and extracted parts is the least-labor strategy. If a part has to be processed in any way, the optimal strategy seems to be to extract, for Horn in Eb/F, euph TC/BC, flute picc on same staff w/picc in out, euph to baritone (these are mix match internationsl parts), and, yes, even the DREADED Bb BASS CLEF TRANSPOSITION for euphs and tubas. I also got to thinking...If an old school Finale file goes corrupt, I lose only the part or score in question and the worst case is that I reconstruct the score from the parts. If a new Finale file goes corrupt, all is lost. Having said this, I am not abandonong linked parts; I am trying to adjust my work habits to get the most out of them, and for me the optimal method seems to be a mix of linked and extracted parts. Jim From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Ray Horton Sent: Mon 08-Sep-08 18:58 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] EPS and Word John Howell wrote: Good news for many people, no doubt, but please be warned that Word 2008 (for Mac) probably shares the same problem as Word 2007 (for Windows), in that it saves files in a new .docx format that cannot be opened in ANY PREVIOUS VERSION OF WORD. It also messes up some math stuff and/or symbols, but I haven't encountered that. I discovered the problem a year ago, when students using new Windows computers started sending me homework files that I COULD NOT OPEN! I did track down a converter on the MS website, but it's a beta version and I hesitate to trust it. And in my research trying to figure out what had happened, I also discovered that a number of scholarly journals, for whom accuracy is extremely important, had flat out started refusing to accept manuscripts in the new .docx format. Once again, Microsoft moves to take over the world, since we barely stopped them from taking over the Internet with their buggy Explorer and Outlook Express. But no backward compatibility is good marketing but very poor planning. Like Finale. John Shame on MSWord for doing, once, what Finale does, every year. I know - it's not the same, and it is a big headache. I first ran into it last year when I was sent a _postcard_ to proofread - with about twenty words on it, but the docx made it impossible for me. Raymond Horton ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS and Word
I was prompted to download a converter and have had no problems. On Sep 7, 2008, at 9:36 PM, John Howell wrote: Good news for many people, no doubt, but please be warned that Word 2008 (for Mac) probably shares the same problem as Word 2007 (for Windows), in that it saves files in a new .docx format that cannot be opened in ANY PREVIOUS VERSION OF WORD. It also messes up some math stuff and/or symbols, but I haven't encountered that. Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS and Word...and other stream-of-unconsciousness observations
On Sep 8, 2008, at 7:31 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: As I get my feet wetter and wetter with linked parts, I'm finding it less to my liking...I've had to do the score for score and score for parts thing...I'm used to that, but the finagling that has to be done to get voiced parts from combined staves, euphonium TC and BC, piccolo in and out, etc is a boatload of trouble. Perhaps linked parts are not optimal for band/wind ensemble work. Maybe some combination of linked parts and extracted parts is the least-labor strategy. If a part has to be processed in any way, the optimal strategy seems to be to extract, for Horn in Eb/F, euph TC/ BC, flute picc on same staff w/picc in out, euph to baritone (these are mix match internationsl parts), and, yes, even the DREADED Bb BASS CLEF TRANSPOSITION for euphs and tubas. What's with flute/picc? What's the problem exactly? If a player switches between the two, a staff style in the score is all that's needed, and those can even be different between score and linked parts. I don't extract any more for any reason. If I need an extra part that transposes differently without it appearing on the score, I create a new part called, say, Eb horn (replaces F horn), I include the F horn staff, and I change the transposition with a staff style, which can be different between score and parts, you understand, so nothing changes in the score or in the real F horn part. It's all very neat. You can even make composite parts that have a few staves of Clarinet 1 then a few staves of Clarinet 2. Just make a part that includes both staves and hide the ones you don't want. You can even have this part transpose differently (say, alto sax or something.) Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS and Word...and other stream-of-unconsciousness observations
On Sep 8, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 8, 2008, at 7:31 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: As I get my feet wetter and wetter with linked parts, I'm finding it less to my liking...I've had to do the score for score and score for parts thing...I'm used to that, but the finagling that has to be done to get voiced parts from combined staves, euphonium TC and BC, piccolo in and out, etc is a boatload of trouble. Perhaps linked parts are not optimal for band/wind ensemble work. Maybe some combination of linked parts and extracted parts is the least-labor strategy. If a part has to be processed in any way, the optimal strategy seems to be to extract, for Horn in Eb/F, euph TC/ BC, flute picc on same staff w/picc in out, euph to baritone (these are mix match internationsl parts), and, yes, even the DREADED Bb BASS CLEF TRANSPOSITION for euphs and tubas. What's with flute/picc? What's the problem exactly? If a player switches between the two, a staff style in the score is all that's needed, and those can even be different between score and linked parts. I don't extract any more for any reason. If I need an extra part that transposes differently without it appearing on the score, I create a new part called, say, Eb horn (replaces F horn), I include the F horn staff, and I change the transposition with a staff style, which can be different between score and parts, you understand, so nothing changes in the score or in the real F horn part. It's all very neat. You can even make composite parts that have a few staves of Clarinet 1 then a few staves of Clarinet 2. Just make a part that includes both staves and hide the ones you don't want. You can even have this part transpose differently (say, alto sax or something.) Hi Christopher, These are all clever solutions to problems that are endemic to the system of linked parts (to which I am a convert), but it took me quite a while to get a grip on the system and to be able to control it. I am surely far less expert than you, but I do manage, and I am even intriguingly challenged by the occasional new problem I encounter. All that said, I get Jim's fear and unwillingness to pursue this. The things you have to think about are Finale/computer things, not music things and, in some ways, they have little in common with how one does things with pencil and paper. You have to spend time thinking about how the program works rather than how to produce music. I find that relatively interesting (and you seem to find it not only interesting but to be a challenge you are determined to overcome to the point of being quite comfortable with it), but I understand how some people can find it distracting from the path of getting the music done and in front of the players. I don't know whether or not it's worth it to people like Jim to convert to the new system. I don't even know if it's any more efficient for me. I just took the challenge and jumped in to the point that I hardly remember how I did things before. So I accept the new ways of doing things, and mostly find myself pretty happy as I learn them. On that subject, I am not sure that the new system of expressions has turned out well for me. There are some things about it to like, but there are kinks that interfere with the way I am used to controlling things, and some things now take more time than they used to. I am waiting for Tobias to catch up so that Align/Move works in 2009. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS and Word...and other stream-of-unconsciousness observations
On Sep 8, 2008, at 11:19 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Christopher, These are all clever solutions to problems that are endemic to the system of linked parts (to which I am a convert), but it took me quite a while to get a grip on the system and to be able to control it. I am surely far less expert than you, but I do manage, and I am even intriguingly challenged by the occasional new problem I encounter. Chuck, Thanks for the kind words, but I don't think I'm much of an expert. I know the parts I need to know, and that's about it. Most of what I've learned I picked up here on the list. All that said, I get Jim's fear and unwillingness to pursue this. The things you have to think about are Finale/computer things, not music things and, in some ways, they have little in common with how one does things with pencil and paper. You have to spend time thinking about how the program works rather than how to produce music. Ah, well, I do most of my music thinking with a pencil still. I only get to the computer once I know what I'm doing (usually that means I've completed a pencil sketch.) I don't find that thinking about the computer is conducive to making good music (left brain-right brain kind of conflict, I find.) I am not sure that the new system of expressions has turned out well for me. There are some things about it to like, but there are kinks that interfere with the way I am used to controlling things, and some things now take more time than they used to. I am waiting for Tobias to catch up so that Align/Move works in 2009. I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds that. I haven't figured everything out yet about expressions. One thing I like so far; if I have screwed something up, I can change a whole group of them at once back to what I should have done from the beginning. I still haven't figured out the best way to mark cues. Most of my charts have tons of things saying what is going on in the other parts, and I used staff lists for that in the past. Is it really more efficient to have them all in the Miscellaneous category, and assign them by dragging? Say, if I want to mark some staves (tpts), I have to go through the score assigning them to everyone but trumpets? I tried to create a new category called Cues but I couldn't access all the features, like staff lists. Apparently they are only available in certain conditions, and I haven't figured out what those conditions are yet. I have to spend some more time with this. Right now I have too much to write and not enough time to mess with the program, so I am on 2008 for time being. Christopher (Man, linked parts would be AWESOME if you could assign different measure number attributes for parts and score, and different font sizes for expressions in the parts and score. Assigning one expression to show only in the score, then duplicating it, reducing the size and assigning it to show only in parts is a big time suck. All I want is the size to be right for both situations. Sometimes I can set a fixed size of 10 or so, but other times that is still too large for the score. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] EPS and Word
I recently had to submit a book chapter in Word format, with EPS graphics. As you know, in Word 2004 for Mac, EPS graphics look like ass onscreen. However, they print fine. So far, so good. Except now, I'd like to make a PDF of my chapter. And when printing to PDF, for some reason what you get are those awful pixellated screen previews of the EPS graphics. How do I get a PDF of this document that looks good on screen? I've tried the native OS X PDF-creation method, as well as Acrobat Distiller 8. Neither seems to work. Any ideas? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS and Word
On Sep 7, 2008, at 4:02 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I recently had to submit a book chapter in Word format, with EPS graphics. As you know, in Word 2004 for Mac, EPS graphics look like ass onscreen. However, they print fine. So far, so good. Except now, I'd like to make a PDF of my chapter. And when printing to PDF, for some reason what you get are those awful pixellated screen previews of the EPS graphics. How do I get a PDF of this document that looks good on screen? I've tried the native OS X PDF-creation method, as well as Acrobat Distiller 8. Neither seems to work. Any ideas? Yeah, in ANY application the EPS graphics look like ass. It's because Apple stopped supporting scaled previews and Finale decided to make the files lighter and uglier, rather than big and beautiful. The PDF creation problem with embedded EPS graphics is one that I see all over. It happens in AppleWorks, too. The preview is embedded in the PDF instead of the EPS being embedded. Is it possible that the new Word (and Pages for the AppleWorks guys) supports embedded EPS graphics for PDF creation? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS and Word
On Sep 7, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Yeah, in ANY application the EPS graphics look like ass. Not true! They look perfectly fine when inserted directly into Pages! (The caveat is that Pages does insist on converting them to PDF before placing them, which is fine with me)! But unfortunately, once EPS graphics are embedded into a Word document, Pages can't read them properly when importing existing Word files. Is it possible that the new Word (and Pages for the AppleWorks guys) supports embedded EPS graphics for PDF creation? Does anyone know for sure if Office 2008 fixes this? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS and Word
On Sep 7, 2008, at 4:20 PM, dc wrote: If they print fine, they should look fine in Acrobat. But they DON'T. Therein lies the problem. This is a Mac thing -- or, specifically, a Word for Mac thing -- reminds me why I never use Word. I'm glad it works on the PC side but unfortunately that doesn't help me. Printing using the Acrobat driver yields the same problem. I misspoke early about Distiller -- it turns out Distiller won't convert the file at all! It generates some useless, incomprehensible error message. Reminds me why I never use Distiller. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] EPS and Word
I haven't followed this closely since I am on WinXP not Mac, but I was curious about the issue. Here's a little test I did: -Exported a page from Finale as EPS (including fonts and TIFF preview) -Imported and placed that graphic (reduced in size) onto the original page. -Exported THAT page with the graphic as EPS. -Imported THAT graphic (again reduced in size) onto the now modified page. The result was a Finale page with four layers of EPS graphics. I exported that page as EPS and placed it on a blank page in Word2003. Last, I printed the Word page to the Adobe PDF printer driver that was installed by Acrobat Professional 8. The result was very impressive, I thought. The smallest, and most often imported/exported section of the page is as clear as the rest. All curves are smooth at maximum magnification (6400%). Check it out at: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/FromWord.pdf Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS and Word
For the record: I have learned that Word 2008 fixes the longstanding problem with EPS on-screen. It also fixes the problem I was having with generating a PDF from a Word document that includes EPS graphics. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On Sep 7, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On Sep 7, 2008, at 4:20 PM, dc wrote: If they print fine, they should look fine in Acrobat. But they DON'T. Therein lies the problem. This is a Mac thing -- or, specifically, a Word for Mac thing -- reminds me why I never use Word. I'm glad it works on the PC side but unfortunately that doesn't help me. Printing using the Acrobat driver yields the same problem. I misspoke early about Distiller -- it turns out Distiller won't convert the file at all! It generates some useless, incomprehensible error message. Reminds me why I never use Distiller. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] EPS files compatible with Illustrator
Thanks for taking the time and trouble. This has me baffled. Changing the notation font from Maestro to Petrucci and then including the font produces a readable eps in Illustrator. There seems to be an issue with the maestro font. I wonder if there is another font on the PC's that I use with the same id, thus confusing Illustrator. When I get time I'll try deinstalling the Maestro fonts and see if it helps to reintall them. -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne av Richard Yates Sendt: 11. juni 2008 20:00 Til: finale@shsu.edu Emne: RE: [Finale] EPS files compatible with Illustrator I just tried it again, without getting any errors, using: Maestro, Petrucci, and Jazz. Did you use Maestro or Petrucci as the notation font? I tried it with Windows Finale 2007 into Illustrator CS3 and it worked fine. The easy thing to double check is that in the EPS dialog box you are checking 'include fonts'. Also, I remember some similar problem with a Finale EPS font not appearing properly in Adobe Design and I think it was because of some idiosyncratic limit on the font. I substituted in more common fonts and it was fine. Deduce which font is not working and try substituting it. If I create an EPS from Finale and open it in Adobe Illustrator, fonts and characters seem to get mixed up. I see OE-symbols instead of noteheads etc. Can anyone explain this or offer a cure? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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If I create an EPS from Finale and open it in Adobe Illustrator, fonts and characters seem to get mixed up. I see OE-symbols instead of noteheads etc. Can anyone explain this or offer a cure? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 woes: daily update
Christopher Smith wrote: [snip] Ah, I see. No, I have put arrows in all kinds of places, and they never work in EPS export. I haven't exhaustively tested every possible place, but inside and outside the staff on all four sides makes no difference. Oh well, it was a guess. Sorry. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 woes: daily update
custom arrowheads in custom smart lines have not exported properly in EPS for several versions, at least back to 2005. -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Can't you crop the PS in Preview, using the Marquee tool and then the Crop button? And I'm probably missing something crucial here, but why are you bothering with EPS at all? If you're trying to place Finale examples in a Word file, can't you just print to PDF crop what you need, then place the cropped PDF? This works for me -- I haven't needed or wanted EPS in years. Perhaps there's some reason why this won't work for you, though. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 20 Aug 2007, at 9:56 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Aug 20, 2007, at 3:50 AM, dc wrote: Christopher Smith écrit: Anyone have any success with EPS exportation from 2008, Mac version? Any ideas of things I might not know about to get it to work? Well, we have a long experience with EPS on Windows, since it was broken for years and years (at least since 2000), and was never fixed for Win2000. So when I needed EPS files I printed to PDF and extracted the EPS from the PDF files. Couldn't you do the same? Hmm, this seems interesting, and it's only an extra couple of steps. But how do I get a PS file that is only the size of one staff? I can get full-page PS files no problem. In other words, how do I crop a PS? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 woes: daily update
Christopher Smith wrote: On Aug 22, 2007, at 12:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris - I assume you tried to export WITHOUT including fonts? Yes, same results. Could it possibly be the location of your arrowhead? Have you tried placing it somewhere else and exporting that as EPS? I have no idea if this might help, but it did occur to me that perhaps it's the location and not your arrowhead which is the problem. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 woes: daily update
On Aug 22, 2007, at 6:51 AM, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: On Aug 22, 2007, at 12:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris - I assume you tried to export WITHOUT including fonts? Yes, same results. Could it possibly be the location of your arrowhead? Have you tried placing it somewhere else and exporting that as EPS? I have no idea if this might help, but it did occur to me that perhaps it's the location and not your arrowhead which is the problem. I'm not sure what you mean by location. I opt-clicked the User button in the Smart Shape palette, selected Create in the Smart Line Selector dialogue box, in the Smart Line Designer I clicked Custom ArrowheadSelect, then in the Custom Arrowhead Selector dialogue box I clicked Create and got a Shape Designer. When I tried a font character arrowhead, I used a font that resides normally in my font library for the entire computer. Where else would I put it? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 broken? Can anyone check for me?
On Aug 22, 2007, at 5:23 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Can't you crop the PS in Preview, using the Marquee tool and then the Crop button? And I'm probably missing something crucial here, but why are you bothering with EPS at all? If you're trying to place Finale examples in a Word file, can't you just print to PDF crop what you need, then place the cropped PDF? This works for me -- I haven't needed or wanted EPS in years. Perhaps there's some reason why this won't work for you, though. In Word for Mac 2004 (the version I have) an imported PDF prints with the screen resolution, antialiasing and all, slightly fuzzy outlines, etc. I was hoping for the razor-sharp music examples I get with EPS in AppleWorks or Word. Actually, in Pages (the new program that more or less replaced AppleWorks) PDFs import beautifully and there is a lot more control over style and spacing, but I would have to buy it, as my 30-day trial is expiring soon. I would also have to learn it, and I do know AppleWorks inside out, which helps for this fussy stuff. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 broken? Can anyone check for me?
Ah. I had forgotten that Word couldn't handle PDFs properly. I use Pages myself. Apple just released Pages '08 (part of iWork '08), so you should be able to activate another 30-day trial. But it's only $80 (for the entire iWork suite) so you might as well just buy it, so you won't have to mess around with Word. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 22 Aug 2007, at 10:00 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Aug 22, 2007, at 5:23 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Can't you crop the PS in Preview, using the Marquee tool and then the Crop button? And I'm probably missing something crucial here, but why are you bothering with EPS at all? If you're trying to place Finale examples in a Word file, can't you just print to PDF crop what you need, then place the cropped PDF? This works for me -- I haven't needed or wanted EPS in years. Perhaps there's some reason why this won't work for you, though. In Word for Mac 2004 (the version I have) an imported PDF prints with the screen resolution, antialiasing and all, slightly fuzzy outlines, etc. I was hoping for the razor-sharp music examples I get with EPS in AppleWorks or Word. Actually, in Pages (the new program that more or less replaced AppleWorks) PDFs import beautifully and there is a lot more control over style and spacing, but I would have to buy it, as my 30-day trial is expiring soon. I would also have to learn it, and I do know AppleWorks inside out, which helps for this fussy stuff. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 woes: daily update
Christopher Smith wrote: On Aug 22, 2007, at 6:51 AM, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: On Aug 22, 2007, at 12:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris - I assume you tried to export WITHOUT including fonts? Yes, same results. Could it possibly be the location of your arrowhead? Have you tried placing it somewhere else and exporting that as EPS? I have no idea if this might help, but it did occur to me that perhaps it's the location and not your arrowhead which is the problem. I'm not sure what you mean by location. I opt-clicked the User button in the Smart Shape palette, selected Create in the Smart Line Selector dialogue box, in the Smart Line Designer I clicked Custom ArrowheadSelect, then in the Custom Arrowhead Selector dialogue box I clicked Create and got a Shape Designer. When I tried a font character arrowhead, I used a font that resides normally in my font library for the entire computer. Where else would I put it? I meant where in the document did you place the smart shape once you've created it. Such as pointing at the start of a staff, or in the middle of a staff pointing at a clef change. It was just a guess. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 woes: daily update
On Aug 22, 2007, at 6:04 PM, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: On Aug 22, 2007, at 6:51 AM, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: On Aug 22, 2007, at 12:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris - I assume you tried to export WITHOUT including fonts? Yes, same results. Could it possibly be the location of your arrowhead? Have you tried placing it somewhere else and exporting that as EPS? I have no idea if this might help, but it did occur to me that perhaps it's the location and not your arrowhead which is the problem. I meant where in the document did you place the smart shape once you've created it. Such as pointing at the start of a staff, or in the middle of a staff pointing at a clef change. It was just a guess. Ah, I see. No, I have put arrows in all kinds of places, and they never work in EPS export. I haven't exhaustively tested every possible place, but inside and outside the staff on all four sides makes no difference. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 broken? Can anyone check for me?
Dear Chris, These kinds of file corruption problems have cropped up for me too, as you will remember form earlier posts - about a week or ten days ago. I don't have the persistence and computer savvy to follow the solutions through to the end, as you have. But I do want to confirm that I have reached a higher level of frustration with Finale's instabilities than has been the case for a few years. Some of that has been a result of the process of learning new linked part tricks (and some stubbornness about reading the manual), but there seem to be other problems that I'd like to see MM pay attention to. My last two communications with MM support remain unanswered. I don't know what's up with that. Chuck On Aug 20, 2007, at 7:35 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Update on my problems with EPS export. Somehow, the file that I originally was exporting from was corrupted. I had created it brand-new in MacFin2008 using an older document as a style (so that I could keep all my settings) so that I could avoid the kind of corruption I often see when opening old files in new versions of Finale, but I got screwed anyway. I was suspecting my edited version of JazzCord (OpenType Postscript font, officially the sort of font that works) or else my freeware version of Dom Casual (TrueType font, this is the one I had pegged as the culprit, since the documentation says no TT fonts can work in EPS export) that I use for a couple of characters in my chord suffixes. I opened a NEW Finale 2008 document, using the factory JazzFont defaults. I created a staff of music and it exported fine, as I always expected it would. Then I copied a passage from my other file (the one that WOULDN'T export EPS properly) to my new file, but without the chords. It exported fine, too. Then I copied the same passage WITH the chords to my new file, so both custom fonts were present. I expected the EPS export to choke on the presence of the TT font, but no, it exported EPS fine, no problem!?!?!? Well, enheartened by this development, I copied the entire document over to the new Finale file, formatted it, exported EPS to my heart's content, and all is well! Apparently, TrueType fonts are perfectly capable of being in EPS files, and mine in particular are no problem at all. I still don't understand what went wrong. The original file still doesn't work, but at least I got all of my two days of work copied over to a new document and the EPS's exported properly. I have seen more file corruption in 2007 and 2008 than in all the previous versions put together. I am hard-put to find a single document in these two versions that hasn't had some sort of strange problem that goes away when I clear the problem measure, or else copy the document contents to a new file. It drives me nuts. Christopher (who now knows more about TrueType, PostScript Type 1, and OpenType fonts than he thought he really needed to know.) And thanks to all who responded with helpful suggestions. On Aug 19, 2007, at 11:13 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Hi collective wisdom, especially those of the Mac persuasion. I am on an Intel Mac, and I have created a dozen or so one-line musical examples in FinMac 2008 for a handout that I have exported as EPS files, all fonts included. The resultant word processing file (I was working in AppleWorks 6, but the same thing occurred in Microsoft Word 2004 when I tried it) would not print. Both my printers simply ignored it. I tried printing a single page, same results, unless I tried a page WITHOUT a musical example on it, then the page printed perfectly. I tried printing to PDF (thinking that I would be able to print the resulting PDF file more easily) but no. The PDF got created, but the screen display was the same crappy low-rez preview I get in AppleWorks, and the file would not print to either of my printers, getting ignored again. It would appear that EPS is broken in 2008. I spent all day creating those examples, and I feel like tearing my hair out rather than do it all again in 2006, the last version I know works for sure (I dare not try 2007, as I was a late adopter and I don't feel like being an unpaid beta tester for a version that isn't even supported any more). Anyone have any success with EPS exportation from 2008, Mac version? Any ideas of things I might not know about to get it to work? Thanks in advance. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 woes: daily update
After wrestling with EPS output in MacFinale 2008 for three days straight, this is all I have to say: Sheesh! (sorry for the strong language, but I am getting a little frustrated.) Apparently, there are some things that don't embed in exported EPS still, and cause problems. One thing is my painstakingly-created custom arrowhead (if you have ever used the Shape Designer I'm sure you feel my pain. The tip of the arrowhead has to start at EXACTLY h=0 and v=0 or it won't stay attached to the line!). I made a somewhat plumper triangle for a bolder kind of arrow than is the default, and happily stuck it in everywhere in my musical examples. I was proud of that arrow! But it caused my EPS export to break in the usual way, that is, my printer ignored it when I tried to print it from inside AppleWorks or Word. Remove the arrow, it works. Put the arrow back in, it breaks. OK, I thought, maybe it is custom shapes that EPS doesn't like. I'll try a CHARACTER as an arrowhead. I found one in Zapf Dingbats that didn't depend on Unicode (MAN are they hard to find!), but it didn't work when I typed it in as a character in the Shape Designer (it looked good in the score, but EPS broke on it in the usual way.) I tried it as Right End text, but I couldn't get it to rotate along with the arrow body unless it was the CENTRE text, which of course defeats the whole purpose. I wanted an arrowhead at the END of my line, not the middle! (Where does it say in the manual that only centre full and centre abbreviated text rotates?) I kludged an arrow using Centre text anyway by adjusting the position of the arrowhead character (sliding it to the end of the line), but it would only work within a very narrow range of lengths before the line and head separated. Congratulating myself on my ingenuity, I popped out a sample EPS. DANG! The tilting element (text or shape) is what breaks EPS! Extracting my computer from the shards of broken windshield on the back seat of my neighbour's car across the street, I went back to attack the problem a different way. Finally I just used some character arrows I found in Zapf Dingbats. (Arrows that point south-west are VERY rare!) The ones I have look kind of stupid and aren't long enough, but I've about had it. MakeMusic tech support sent me a terse little note after two days of silence following my first inquiry saying they have to check with the researchers about this question and thanking me for my patience. In the same vein of thanking someone for something nonexistent, I would like to thank MakeMusic for the fine job they did with this release. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 woes: daily update
On Aug 22, 2007, at 12:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris - I assume you tried to export WITHOUT including fonts? Yes, same results. Although not embedding fonts is what caused me to have to redo all my handouts to start with (well, that and I have changed how I think). On my new computer I don't have one font that I used extensively in the original EPS. I have a replacement, but it doesn't have the exact same name according to my computer, so all my arrows (and I have a LOT of them!) get changed into big fat Arial letter B and the like when I try to reprint using the original EPSs. I tell ya, I was THIS close to pulling out the tape and scissors! The Mac EPS export in previous versions of Finale, although it SAID it was embedding fonts, wasn't really doing it, so I couldn't even email myself a file at school unless I had all the same fonts on my school computer. They claim in the official poop that font embedding really works now, but it still doesn't exactly. Wait a sec, here is the exact phrase! QUOTE Embedded Fonts in Mac EPS files — Finale embeds TrueType and OpenType fonts as well as Postscript fonts. This ensures that your files look and print the same for others as they do for you. (available with Macintosh OS 10.4 and higher) END QUOTE Well, aren't they clever! Everyone ELSE says that TrueType fonts won't work in EPS files, but apparently MM worked it out. However... Not everything gets included, for example, not rotated text in Smart Lines, as far as I can tell. Also shapes that are rotated don't get included, either. And the warning dialogue box is empty, so not only do those items not get included, but the resultant files actually don't function. here is another quote–from the Mac help file. None of this applies to Macs! (except possibly for the part about needing a PostScript printer. I don't really know, as all my printers are PostScript.) QUOTE Special instructions for printing from Finale with imported EPS files You must have a PostScript capable printer. Check your printer manual for details. The printer driver must be set to Optimize for Portability. Exit Finale. Click Start, Settings, Printers. Right-click on your printer driver and select Properties. Select the PostScript tab and set the “PostScript output format” to “Optimize for Portability” ADSC. Click Apply, then OK. The line “OwnPS=0” must be added to the Finale.ini file. Exit Finale. Open the Finale.ini file in the Finale 2004 folder with Notepad. In the [Settings] section, add the following line, without quotes, “OwnPS=0”. Save and exit Notepad. END QUOTE Man, I've been complaining a lot! Funny how that wears you down... Thanks to everyone for letting me rant on without yelling back at me. Helpful comments, like John's, are of course welcome. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 broken? Can anyone check for me?
On 20.08.2007 Christopher Smith wrote: I tried printing to PDF (thinking that I would be able to print the resulting PDF file more easily) but no. The PDF got created, but the screen display was the same crappy low-rez preview I get in AppleWorks, and the file would not print to either of my printers, getting ignored again. To print EPS to PDF you may have to first print to a PS file, and then open the resulting PS file in Preview. Not sure whether this would solve your printing problem. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 broken? Can anyone check for me?
I just tried it. Open MacFin2k8 native file and exported as EPS, Illustrator opens and prints it fine, OSX10.4.10 Preview opens and prints fine. Note that I do not use fonts that are not default. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 broken? Can anyone check for me?
On Aug 20, 2007, at 1:55 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 20.08.2007 Christopher Smith wrote: I tried printing to PDF (thinking that I would be able to print the resulting PDF file more easily) but no. The PDF got created, but the screen display was the same crappy low-rez preview I get in AppleWorks, and the file would not print to either of my printers, getting ignored again. To print EPS to PDF you may have to first print to a PS file, and then open the resulting PS file in Preview. Not sure whether this would solve your printing problem. Johannes, Thanks for the tip. Instead of printing the Word document to PDF, I tried Save PDF as Postscript from the Print dialogue. The file got created, but would not open in Preview or anything else I could try, getting an error Postscript Conversion Error. Couldn't convert the Postscript file to a PDF file. then when I clicked OK I got File Error. Couldn't open the file. I have some unusual fonts in the Finale document. I wonder if this is the problem. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 broken? Can anyone check for me?
On Aug 20, 2007, at 8:49 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: I just tried it. Open MacFin2k8 native file and exported as EPS, Illustrator opens and prints it fine, OSX10.4.10 Preview opens and prints fine. Note that I do not use fonts that are not default. Thanks for checking, Hiro. My EPS docs won't open in Preview. I get the same error that I just mentioned in my reply to Johannes. Perhaps it is related to my fonts, some of which are not default. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 broken? Can anyone check for me?
On Aug 19, 2007, at 11:56 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Christopher Smith / 2007/08/19 / 11:13 PM wrote: The PDF got created, but the screen display was the same crappy low-rez preview I get in AppleWorks, and the file would not print to either of my printers, getting ignored again. It would appear that EPS is broken in 2008. Well, I can tell you this much that I have created PDF lead sheets with FinMac2k8 from the scratch, and my musicians have downloaded and printed them fine. They even played them fine on the gig :-) So have I, which is why I had such confidence in the EPS export to a word processor. Maybe I should try chopping up a PDF and importing that. It will need to be a word processor that will import PDFs, which is not AppleWorks 6, that's for sure. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 broken? Can anyone check for me?
On Aug 20, 2007, at 3:50 AM, dc wrote: Christopher Smith écrit: Anyone have any success with EPS exportation from 2008, Mac version? Any ideas of things I might not know about to get it to work? Well, we have a long experience with EPS on Windows, since it was broken for years and years (at least since 2000), and was never fixed for Win2000. So when I needed EPS files I printed to PDF and extracted the EPS from the PDF files. Couldn't you do the same? Hmm, this seems interesting, and it's only an extra couple of steps. But how do I get a PS file that is only the size of one staff? I can get full-page PS files no problem. In other words, how do I crop a PS? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 broken? Can anyone check for me?
Update on my problems with EPS export. Somehow, the file that I originally was exporting from was corrupted. I had created it brand-new in MacFin2008 using an older document as a style (so that I could keep all my settings) so that I could avoid the kind of corruption I often see when opening old files in new versions of Finale, but I got screwed anyway. I was suspecting my edited version of JazzCord (OpenType Postscript font, officially the sort of font that works) or else my freeware version of Dom Casual (TrueType font, this is the one I had pegged as the culprit, since the documentation says no TT fonts can work in EPS export) that I use for a couple of characters in my chord suffixes. I opened a NEW Finale 2008 document, using the factory JazzFont defaults. I created a staff of music and it exported fine, as I always expected it would. Then I copied a passage from my other file (the one that WOULDN'T export EPS properly) to my new file, but without the chords. It exported fine, too. Then I copied the same passage WITH the chords to my new file, so both custom fonts were present. I expected the EPS export to choke on the presence of the TT font, but no, it exported EPS fine, no problem!?!?!? Well, enheartened by this development, I copied the entire document over to the new Finale file, formatted it, exported EPS to my heart's content, and all is well! Apparently, TrueType fonts are perfectly capable of being in EPS files, and mine in particular are no problem at all. I still don't understand what went wrong. The original file still doesn't work, but at least I got all of my two days of work copied over to a new document and the EPS's exported properly. I have seen more file corruption in 2007 and 2008 than in all the previous versions put together. I am hard-put to find a single document in these two versions that hasn't had some sort of strange problem that goes away when I clear the problem measure, or else copy the document contents to a new file. It drives me nuts. Christopher (who now knows more about TrueType, PostScript Type 1, and OpenType fonts than he thought he really needed to know.) And thanks to all who responded with helpful suggestions. On Aug 19, 2007, at 11:13 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Hi collective wisdom, especially those of the Mac persuasion. I am on an Intel Mac, and I have created a dozen or so one-line musical examples in FinMac 2008 for a handout that I have exported as EPS files, all fonts included. The resultant word processing file (I was working in AppleWorks 6, but the same thing occurred in Microsoft Word 2004 when I tried it) would not print. Both my printers simply ignored it. I tried printing a single page, same results, unless I tried a page WITHOUT a musical example on it, then the page printed perfectly. I tried printing to PDF (thinking that I would be able to print the resulting PDF file more easily) but no. The PDF got created, but the screen display was the same crappy low-rez preview I get in AppleWorks, and the file would not print to either of my printers, getting ignored again. It would appear that EPS is broken in 2008. I spent all day creating those examples, and I feel like tearing my hair out rather than do it all again in 2006, the last version I know works for sure (I dare not try 2007, as I was a late adopter and I don't feel like being an unpaid beta tester for a version that isn't even supported any more). Anyone have any success with EPS exportation from 2008, Mac version? Any ideas of things I might not know about to get it to work? Thanks in advance. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 broken? Can anyone check for me?
Hi collective wisdom, especially those of the Mac persuasion. I am on an Intel Mac, and I have created a dozen or so one-line musical examples in FinMac 2008 for a handout that I have exported as EPS files, all fonts included. The resultant word processing file (I was working in AppleWorks 6, but the same thing occurred in Microsoft Word 2004 when I tried it) would not print. Both my printers simply ignored it. I tried printing a single page, same results, unless I tried a page WITHOUT a musical example on it, then the page printed perfectly. I tried printing to PDF (thinking that I would be able to print the resulting PDF file more easily) but no. The PDF got created, but the screen display was the same crappy low-rez preview I get in AppleWorks, and the file would not print to either of my printers, getting ignored again. It would appear that EPS is broken in 2008. I spent all day creating those examples, and I feel like tearing my hair out rather than do it all again in 2006, the last version I know works for sure (I dare not try 2007, as I was a late adopter and I don't feel like being an unpaid beta tester for a version that isn't even supported any more). Anyone have any success with EPS exportation from 2008, Mac version? Any ideas of things I might not know about to get it to work? Thanks in advance. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 broken? Can anyone check for me?
Christopher Smith / 2007/08/19 / 11:13 PM wrote: The PDF got created, but the screen display was the same crappy low-rez preview I get in AppleWorks, and the file would not print to either of my printers, getting ignored again. It would appear that EPS is broken in 2008. Well, I can tell you this much that I have created PDF lead sheets with FinMac2k8 from the scratch, and my musicians have downloaded and printed them fine. They even played them fine on the gig :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] EPS graphics = large black square
i have generated some line graphics in illustrator and exported to eps; when placed in a F2007 doc, the whole thing is black with a veery low-res image of the lines (much worse than i have experienced before with EPS representation in finale). it prints fine, but i can't see anything under the graphic to work on the score. in illustrator, the frame icon is black and the white square has a red slash through it, meaning there is no fill (in finale language), i.e. it is transparent. any ideas what this could be from? i am assuming there is something not correct with the illustrator docs, either in the format or the EPS export settings. although i wonder if it has something to do with finale, that finale doesn't interporet transparent EPS images correctly? because i recently did this in another score, and again it wasn't transparent on screen, but in the printed version it was fine. the score shouldn't require any more editing, so the blackout might not affect anything, but this just isn't right and i want to fix it, goldarnit! -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS graphics = large black square
although i wonder if it has something to do with finale, that finale doesn't interporet transparent EPS images correctly? because i recently did this in another score, and again it wasn't transparent on screen, but in the printed version it was fine. i meant to say that the fill was white in this case. -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS graphics = large black square
Keep in mind that no fill and certainly a white fill does not mean the graphic is transparent. taht makes sense, but i haven't found anywhere that i can specify this. although it IS in fact transparent, because when i print from finale (even though i can't see the score through the graphic) it is exactly as i would wish, nothing is hidden behind the area of the graphic (it is placed right over the stafflines). I think you have to do something deliberately in Illustrator when exporting an EPS if you want the resulting graphic to be transparent. Can you preview the graphic in another application to see if the behavior is Illustrator or Finale specific? graphic converter = white background preview = white background acrobat standard = conversion error, didn't work -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS graphics = large black square
In a message dated 3/31/07 8:40:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: graphic converter = white background preview = white background acrobat standard = conversion error, didn't work Jef - White background still doesn't tell you it's transparent. Can you put another graphic or something else behind it to test its transparency? Maybe in Quark or some layout program. I know it seems to behave in Finale like it is transparent but... Try this - export the page out of Finale (w/out the graphic) and place it behind the graphic in the layout program and see what happens outside of Finale. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS graphics = large black square
Can you put another graphic or something else behind it to test its transparency? Maybe in Quark or some layout program. i don't have quark or pagemaker; tested in illustrator (graphic tool EPS export from finale page without graphic), but i know things work there already. aha, but trying in graphic converter i see that the background is in fact white (although it shows up black in finale and doesn't print in finale!) it's just squiggly lines (pitch waver), but the black box in finale corresponds to the box that appears when selecting the graphic in illustrator (selection tool [not the direct selection tool]). -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export - Mac OS X 10.4 - Fin07
On 18-Jan-07, at 12:47 PM, Paul Hayden wrote: I've been confused by some recent postings about EPS exporting on Macs -- I thought MM finally straightened out that problem. Does EPS export work reliably with Finale 2007 on Macs running OS X 10.4 (Tiger)? Any problems with embedding fonts, printing, etc.? I've never had any problem with FinMac up to 2006, except for one case where the client got the .pdf printed at a print shop running Windows 98, which substituted characters in the music. YMMV. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re(4): [Finale] EPS export - Mac OS X 10.4 - Fin07
Hi Steve, I just did another test with Helvetica, Palatino and Times and all three printed fine from InDesign. InDesign did warn me that the document contained a binary EPS which might cause the print job to fail--but it didn't. I also ran the EPS through Distiller 7.0 and the PDF had the characters displayed correctly and the PDF printed correctly. I'm wondering if it may be a PostScript issue for you. I'm using a Xerox Phaser printer with PostScript Version 3015.102 (2). **Leigh On Thu, Jan 18, 2007, Fiskum, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Leigh, My immediate questions are: 1. What font did you use to create this character (name and type)? 2. Did you print it out of Illustrator or InDesign or did you just look at it on screen? I have found that Times, Palatino, and Helvetica are problematic fonts with this issue. Steve ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: Re(4): [Finale] EPS export - Mac OS X 10.4 - Fin07
Hello Leigh, I'm glad that worked... What type of font was it and who is the manufacturer of the font? Are you MAC or PC sorry I can't remember? This happens not only on 1 printer it happens on every printer and 6 different machines running different version of OS10.4, it also happens when going to PDF (which you can see on screen) and through pre-press rips. This is a known bug at MakeMusic that is not being addressed in their releases. But I am curious as to why it's working for you... Steve On 1/19/07 12:30 PM, Leigh Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steve, I just did another test with Helvetica, Palatino and Times and all three printed fine from InDesign. InDesign did warn me that the document contained a binary EPS which might cause the print job to fail--but it didn't. I also ran the EPS through Distiller 7.0 and the PDF had the characters displayed correctly and the PDF printed correctly. I'm wondering if it may be a PostScript issue for you. I'm using a Xerox Phaser printer with PostScript Version 3015.102 (2). **Leigh On Thu, Jan 18, 2007, Fiskum, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Leigh, My immediate questions are: 1. What font did you use to create this character (name and type)? 2. Did you print it out of Illustrator or InDesign or did you just look at it on screen? I have found that Times, Palatino, and Helvetica are problematic fonts with this issue. Steve ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re(6): [Finale] EPS export - Mac OS X 10.4 - Fin07
Steve, I'm on a Mac G5 with 10.4.8. Below is the info from FontBook. Hope this helps; these things can really be immensely frustrating to track down. **Leigh PostScript name Palatino-Roman Full name Palatino Family Palatino Style Regular KindTrueType LanguageEnglish, Danish, Dutch, Finnish, French, German, Italian, Norwegian Bokmål, Portuguese, Spanish, Swedish Version 3.8 Location/Library/Fonts/Palatino Unique name Palatino; 3.8; 2006-02-23 Copyright Copyright © 1991-99, 2006 Apple Computer, Inc. Copyright © 1991-92 Type Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved. Trademark Palatino is a registered trademark of Linotype AG Enabled Yes Duplicate No PostScript name Times-Bold Full name Times Bold Family Times Style Bold KindTrueType LanguageEnglish, Danish, Dutch, Finnish, French, German, Italian, Norwegian Bokmål, Portuguese, Spanish, Swedish Version 5.0d10e1 Location/System/Library/Fonts/Times.dfont Unique name Times Bold; 5.0d10e1; 2005-01-27 Copyright © 1990-99 Apple Computer Inc. © 1981 Linotype AG © 1990-91 Type Solutions Inc. © 1990-91 The Font Bureau Inc. Trademark Times is a registered trademark of Linotype AG Enabled Yes Duplicate No PostScript name Helvetica-Bold Full name Helvetica Bold Family Helvetica Style Bold KindTrueType LanguageEnglish, Danish, Dutch, Finnish, French, German, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, Swedish Version 3.5a3 Location/System Folder/Fonts/Helvetica Unique name Apple Computer Helvetica Bold Copyright © 1990-99 Apple Computer Inc. © 1981 Linotype AG © 1990-91 Type Solutions Inc. Trademark Helvetica is a registered trademark of Linotype AG Enabled Yes Duplicate Yes On Fri, Jan 19, 2007, Fiskum, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Leigh, I'm glad that worked... What type of font was it and who is the manufacturer of the font? Are you MAC or PC sorry I can't remember? This happens not only on 1 printer it happens on every printer and 6 different machines running different version of OS10.4, it also happens when going to PDF (which you can see on screen) and through pre-press rips. This is a known bug at MakeMusic that is not being addressed in their releases. But I am curious as to why it's working for you... Steve ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
