date:20070131

At 15:19 +1100 31/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

A former client of mine has a thesis with many graphics imported by
reference into FrameMaker 5.5.6 running in Classic Mac 9.1 on
PowerMacintosh.  She wants to convert them to InDesign v. 2.0.  I
suggested that she save to Mac Word 4, 5, or 6, or to RTF using the
Japanese converter, in the Save As dialogue.  I can't do this myself as I
don't have FrameMaker installed on my home Windows computer.

So, will this process work: FrameMaker 5.5.6  Word/RTF  InDesign?  (I
don't have InDesign or any InDesign experience.)

I think this was the route I took a few years ago when presented with the same 
thing. However, I was fortunate in that the Word Ms had no graphics: these 
would need to be picked out of the Word docs and re-set in InDesign. Trouble 
is, Word does a load of Deep Juju on imported graphics, and I'll bet in your 
client's case the original image files are no longer available.

One trick that is often recommended to handle embedded graphics in Word is to 
[separately] save as HTML, which spits out all the graphics separately. Trouble 
is, I think it spits them out as GIFs - although this might be configurable.

If this does work, can an Australian FrameMaker user who can assist in
this conversion please contact Mary Ann directly at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or by calling mobile 0425 794 949 (+61 425
794 949).

Moral: read ahead... :-(

-- 
Steve
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Re: FM 7.1 Compatibility

2007-01-31 Thread Shmuel Wolfson


Strange.

I find importing Visio files as OLE objects (from Visio 2000 to FM 7.2) 
to work just fine. When I try to FileInsertFile (by reference) it 
doesn't recognize the Visio file format, and Visio is not in the list. 
Perhaps my version of Visio is too old.


Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



T.W. Smith wrote:

Agreed. I did not mean to blame FM. Rather, I meant to recommend against
OLE.

Import graphics by reference. From Visio, this means PDF or EPS 
created from
PDF. Works for me like a charm. (Actually, I usually go furhter and 
import

that into illustrator, edit from there, and use the AI--PDF as Dov
rightfully notes--in FM.)

On 1/30/07, Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


PS: I would strongly concur about any migrations from
Windows 2000 or especially Windows XP to Vista. Unless
you have a brand new system with tons of memory, dual
cores, high speed graphics card, and plenty of extra
disk space, use of Vista to support typical FrameMaker
and associated support programs (including Photoshop,
Illustrator, and Acrobat) buys you precious little other
than a sluggish system. Best idea is to wait until you
need to replace your current computers.

- Dov


 -Original Message-
 From: T.W. Smith
 Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:37 PM
 To: William Gaffga
 Cc: Framers List
 Subject: Re: FM 7.1 Compatibility

 No.

 I wouldn't move a production machine to Vista for at least
 another 9 months.
 I'd run SnagIt on the test box and document on XP.

 However, FM has always had issues with OLE, I recommend
 avoiding it on any and all OSes.






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Re: Problem with Bookmarks in PDFs coming from structured framemaker documents (bis)

2007-01-31 Thread Shlomo Perets


Lodewijk,

You wrote:


... In the result so far we notice that not only

head(Level1)
head(Level2)
head(Level3)

appears as bookmark but also

head(Level1)TOC
head(Level2)TOC
head(Level3)TOC

It is as if head(Level1),  head(Level3), head(Level3)  have a wildcard so 
that also elements with a suffix added to these respective names are used 
for bookmarks.


Is this a known problem?



I'm not sure whether this is a bug or an intended feature, but bookmark 
settings that you have in individual book components are processed *in 
addition* to the book-level bookmark settings.


It's likely that your TOC file has the head(LevelX)TOC paragraph tags 
indicated as bookmarks (inherited from a template, or populated by FrameMaker).


Open the TOC file and select Format  Document  PDF Setup; move the 
paragraph tags to the Don't Include box (you can hold down the Shift key 
and click the arrow to move all items at once).


Upon recreating the PS file from the book, the extra TOC bookmarks should 
not be present anymore.



Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker
FrameMaker/Acrobat training  consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
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Problem with Bookmarks in PDFs coming from structured framemaker documents (bis)

2007-01-31 Thread Nollet, Lodewijk (Gent)

Hello all, 
 

Structured Framemaker-to-PDF problem, noticed using 7.0 and 7.2. 
 

We use head elements as headers of generic sections. 
 
The layout of the head depends on the context and is defined with a
level rule in the EDD. 
All levels also have a context label Level1, Level2 etc. defined in the
EDD.
 
We use the head(Level1), head(Level2) and head(Level3) elements to
construct our table of contents. 
 
In the generated, unstructured table of contents we have forseen styles 
head(Level1)TOC, 
head(Level2)TOC and 
head(Level3)TOC. 
 
(We've made a number of modifications to the default unformatted styles
in the reference pages, but maintained the style names).
 
 
When we want to create a PDF-file and set up the bookmarks, we go to the
FM Print Window  PDF setup  Bookmarks, 
then we select to become bookmarks 
head(Level1)
head(Level2)
head(Level3)
 
After that we create a PS-file and distill the PDF. 
 
In the result so far we notice that not only 
 
head(Level1)
head(Level2)
head(Level3)
 
appears as bookmark but also 
 
head(Level1)TOC
head(Level2)TOC
head(Level3)TOC
 
It is as if head(Level1),  head(Level3), head(Level3)  have a wildcard
so that also elements with a suffix added to these respective names are
used for bookmarks. 
 
Is this a known problem? 
 
Any help is appreciated. 
 
Kind regards, 
 
Lodewijk 
 
 
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Re: (no subject)

2007-01-31 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


Seems to me that Illustrator is either changing the page size or that
the graphic has been this way earlier but moved (manually?) within
FM's anchored frame.
IMHO, if you change the page size in AI to fit the graphic, that could
do the trick.

If you have the original AI or EPS graphics (from before the change),
compare these settings with the revised graphics and go from there.

If you have FrameScript, there might be a possibility, depending on
what is wrong, to manage this in one run bookwise (search for graphic
and set the offsets from left and top to a given value -- my guess is
0,0).

Hopefully it is as simple as that.

HTH,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Supervisor Publishing
Air Atlanta Icelandic

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Hi all,

Thanks for your responses. It does appear that there is some sort of bug...
Indeed the graphic is there, but way off to the side, off the page. Sigh, I
will  have to reimport this into about 80 documents.

Thanks,
Nancy Adams
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Re: FrameMaker 5.5.6 Word InDesign help needed

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 So, will this process work: FrameMaker 5.5.6  Word/RTF  InDesign?  (I
don't have InDesign or any InDesign experience.)


Sure, but I agree with Steve: remove the graphics first and then Place them
again in Indesign. Since they're referenced, this shouldn't be a problem.
The Indesign document will need some work; it will get styles and local
formatting from RTF, but of course it will only get what Frame was able to
put into the RTF file (and it will probably get some junk that you don't
want).

Indesign 2.0 was kind of primitive. IDCS2 offers anchored objects. I don't
think ID2 could anchor (but it's been awhile), so she might want to consider
upgrading first.


 If this does work, can an Australian FrameMaker user


Why Australian? Why does she need help at all? It sounds like she has both
Frame and Indesign. She should just delete all the graphics, save as RTF,
Place the RTF in ID (keeping styles and formatting), and then add back the
graphics. But if she does need help, I'd be happy to assist, even though I'm
in upstate New York.

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
(518) 697-0700
www.pegtype.com

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Re: FrameMaker 5.5.6 Word InDesign help needed

2007-01-31 Thread Peter Gold


Look into the MIF-to-ID tool now in beta test phase from DTP Tools:

http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid


Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

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Re: FrameMaker 5.5.6 Word InDesign help needed

2007-01-31 Thread Wolfgang Kühn

Kenneth C. Benson wrote:
 ...
 Indesign 2.0 was kind of primitive. IDCS2 offers anchored objects. I don't
 think ID2 could anchor (but it's been awhile), so she might want to consider
 upgrading first.
 ...
   
Anchored objects are a very new feature of IDCS2. The DOC/RTF import
filter of IDCS2 was completely re-designed and has many new features. I
agree totally with Steve: ID2.0 was very primitive (not a challenger for
Quark) but in this edition Adobe integrates the FM book feature and many
other features from FM. That was also the reason why many technical
writers declared FM as dead at that time.

WoK
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Re: FrameMaker 5.5.6 Word InDesign help needed

From: Wolfgang Kühn [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I agree totally with Steve: ID2.0 was very primitive


Then you agree with Ken, not Steve. Although Steve may also hold those
sentiments, he didn't say anything about ID2.

Kenneth Benson
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QA wants unique edition number in changed footers

2007-01-31 Thread Andersen, Verner Engell VEA

Hi
I am using unstructured Framemaker 7.2

All my FM book files contain all master pages, all variables, all reference
pages etc. This means that if you accidentially copy formats from one file to
anoter nothing will go wrong.

My edition number in the footer is simply a global variable. Now the QA
Department wants each chapter to have an editon number according to when
changes were made. This means that some chapters have edition k, others edition
l and so forth.

Have you any idea of how I can have the various edition numbers in footer of
each chapter page and still have the possibility of importing all formats from
all files without messing things up?

I want to avoid specific master pages for each chapter.

Regards,
Verner Andersen
Technical Writer

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RE: FM 7.1 Compatibility

2007-01-31 Thread Dov Isaacs

You can't directly import Visio files because FrameMaker
doesn't have a filter to convert such files to FrameMaker's
limited graphics model (or for that matter to EPS).

- Dov 

 -Original Message-
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  On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
 Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:07 AM
 To: T.W. Smith
 Cc: Framers List
 Subject: Re: FM 7.1 Compatibility
 
 Strange.
 
 I find importing Visio files as OLE objects (from Visio 2000 
 to FM 7.2) 
 to work just fine. When I try to FileInsertFile (by reference) it 
 doesn't recognize the Visio file format, and Visio is not in 
 the list. 
 Perhaps my version of Visio is too old.
 
 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 
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RE: High quality images

2007-01-31 Thread Jon Harvey

Dov,

Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier. I've been using SnagIt 6.2 to
capture images. The hard issue I've been having is in creating captures
that can be placed on the Web. Some of these include simple line that I
need to resize, drawings that also include text. It hasn't been easy to
find a way to get good, clear graphics.

To further answer your question, I've been using the default settings in
SnagIt and importing into FM 7.2 as Objects rather than files. That in
itself may be part of my mistake. I've used your method described below
using stricty SnagIt, rather than PhotoShop, and got similar (good)
results to yours. Thanks!

Jon Harvey
Manager, Desktop Documentation
 
CambridgeSoft Corporation
100 CambridgePark Drive
Cambridge, MA 02140

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From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:29 PM
To: Jon Harvey; Stuart Rogers; Clara Hall
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: High quality images

Jon,

I just tried this on my notebook system sitting in a hotel
room on a business trip. Did screen shot Alt-PrtSc and pasted
the result into a new document in Photoshop 9 (=CS2).
Flattened the layers and saved as RGB TIFF with profile
embedded and LZW compression (in this case, the profile 
doesn't seem to make any difference, unfortunately). I then
started up FrameMaker 7.2 (updated with all patches available
on Adobe web site), created a new document, and imported the
TIFF file by reference onto a blank page. Worked like a charm.

What program did you create the TIFF file in? EXACTLY what 
options did you use to save the file? 

- Dov
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Jon Harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:03 AM
 To: Dov Isaacs; Stuart Rogers; Clara Hall
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: High quality images
 
 Dov, 
 
 I tried this. FrameMake imports the tif as an empty graphic 
 frame with the image file name in it. The image can be 
 activated but only in a graphics program. And, what you see 
 in FM is the same as you get in the PDF. Unless there is 
 something I can't get FM 7.2 on Windows to display the TIF 
 with LZW compression.
 
 BTW, high quality imaging is an important subject to me since 
 my company creates drawing software. Our images HAVE to look 
 good. What am I missing here?
 
 Jon Harvey
 Manager, Desktop Documentation
  
 CambridgeSoft Corporation
 100 CambridgePark Drive
 Cambridge, MA 02140
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Re: QA wants unique edition number in changed footers

2007-01-31 Thread Frank Stearns


On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Andersen, Verner Engell VEA wrote:

All my FM book files contain all master pages, all variables, all 
reference pages etc. This means that if you accidentially copy formats 
from one file to anoter nothing will go wrong.


My edition number in the footer is simply a global variable. Now the QA 
Department wants each chapter to have an editon number according to when 
changes were made. This means that some chapters have edition k, others 
edition l and so forth.


Have you any idea of how I can have the various edition numbers in 
footer of each chapter page and still have the possibility of importing 
all formats from all files without messing things up?


I routinely use what I call a reference or resource file. It's not 
part of the printed book, but other files cross-reference to this file for 
various bits of info, such as version info, part #, etc.


You could list your edition info for each chapter in such an external 
file, then in each chapter doc xref to this reference doc to pick up the 
appropriate info for the footer. If something changes, you simply make a 
content change in the ref doc and regen the book, rather than copying 
formats around.


Doesn't take too much to set it up, and I always had more confidence in 
this approach rather than copying vars around because as you noted above, 
it's easy to break something by copying formats.


Frank

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RE: Text inset strange behaviour, any solution?? [revisited]

At 22:49 +0100 30/1/07, Michael Zaichenko wrote:

Set the last paragraph of the source document to Run-In. It will solve the 
problem.

And indeed it does!

-- 
Steve
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Re: FrameMaker 5.5.6 Word InDesign help needed

At 10:34 -0500 31/1/07, Kenneth C. Benson wrote

  I agree totally with Steve: ID2.0 was very primitive

Then you agree with Ken, not Steve. Although Steve may also hold those
sentiments, he didn't say anything about ID2.

Yeah, I was wondering about this, especially as I'm still on InD 2.0 ;-) Still, 
useful to know about the better features of CS2: I'll upgrade just as soon as 
another InD project comes in.

-- 
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Re: QA wants unique edition number in changed footers

Could you use the system variable for Modification Date instead of an
edition number?
That'd be equally easy for 'em to track.

Art

On 1/31/07, Andersen, Verner Engell VEA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi
I am using unstructured Framemaker 7.2

All my FM book files contain all master pages, all variables, all reference
pages etc. This means that if you accidentially copy formats from one file to
anoter nothing will go wrong.

Have you any idea of how I can have the various edition numbers in footer of
each chapter page and still have the possibility of importing all formats from
all files without messing things up?

I want to avoid specific master pages for each chapter.

Regards,
Verner Andersen
Technical Writer

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Re: QA wants unique edition number in changed footers

At 08:37 -0800 31/1/07, Frank Stearns wrote:

I routinely use what I call a reference or resource file. It's not part of 
the printed book, but other files cross-reference to this file for various 
bits of info, such as version info, part #, etc.

You could list your edition info for each chapter in such an external file, 
then in each chapter doc xref to this reference doc to pick up the appropriate 
info for the footer. If something changes, you simply make a content change in 
the ref doc and regen the book, rather than copying formats around.

Doesn't take too much to set it up, and I always had more confidence in this 
approach rather than copying vars around because as you noted above, it's easy 
to break something by copying formats.

I was grunting my way through this when Frank's mail came in. You could 
implement this idea with named reference flows, too, either located in an 
external document, or on a reference page in each book document.

If you consider the latter option, beware of a FrameMaker 'gotcha' I hit 
yesterday: if a text inset imports a named flow from one of its own reference 
pages, the link to the reference flow breaks if you rename the file.

Grant Hogarth calls this a 'fugly': great word, although I have no idea what it 
means - a manifestation of the Law of Unintended Consequences, maybe.

-- 
Steve
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Re: FM 7.1 Compatibility

2007-01-31 Thread William Gaffga

Oh dear god, I'd never actually use OLE, I was just listing it as the  
one problem that another user was experiencing. Importing by  
reference is the only way to go, especially if you have to do  
localization.


As for the hardware, we'd planned on new dual core systems and our  
type of software requires a kickin' video card and RAM. We are near  
our point in the cycle for an upgrade so it seems fairly logical.


Perhaps I'll try FM on our test system first.

Thanks for the input.

Will.
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RE: Plugin for enhanced find/change operations?

Nope. The em dash character I'm concerned with appears in headings,
subheadings and body text and uses different fonts, sizes, etc. Copying
the character format copies all those character attributes. I need a way
to copy just one attribute and leave the others As Is. I can (and have
been) do this one by one, but I was hoping to find a magic Replace all
button.

Now I'm playing around with the MIF files to see if I can find a
solution there.

Thanks for all your responses!

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Subject: Re: Plugin for enhanced find/change operations?

Can't you just do this with a find and replace by pasting? Set up one
instance of the character with the proper character format, select it
and
copy, then find the character and replace by pasting, which puts in the
character with the character format.

Mike Conner



on 1/30/07 2:28 PM, Art Campbell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Might want to look at superfind... don't know if it does what you
 want, but it is out there...
 

http://www.bedagi.com/product/11716?type=2genre=category=181subcatego
ry=0
 
 Art
 
 On 1/29/07, Alison Carrico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does anyone know of a plugin, script or workaround that will allow me
to
 find/change text  character tags in one operation?
 
 
 
 I would like to apply a character tag to a particular character that
is
 used in paragraphs of several different styles without changing the
rest
 of the attributes. As far as I can tell, Frame only lets me change
 character attributes, not tags.
 
 
 
 Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
 
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RE: Plugin for enhanced find/change operations?

Thanks! I wait with bated breath.  

I'm looking into whether I manipulate the MIF files somehow.  If I get that to 
work, I'll let you know.

-Original Message-
From: Michael Zaichenko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:27 AM
To: Alison Carrico
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Plugin for enhanced find/change operations?

I had this idea some time ago. Even started to write a script. Never 
finished it. As far as I know there is no such plug-in. One day I'll sit 
down and finish my script. You will be the first one to receive it. Unless 
of course you find something better. Let me know then.
Michael

From: Alison Carrico [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Plugin for enhanced find/change operations?
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:45:18 -0600

Does anyone know of a plugin, script or workaround that will allow me to
find/change text  character tags in one operation?

I would like to apply a character tag to a particular character that is
used in paragraphs of several different styles without changing the rest
of the attributes. As far as I can tell, Frame only lets me change
character attributes, not tags.

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.

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RE: Plugin for enhanced find/change operations?

I appreciate the response, but that's not quite the problem.  The em
dash character doesn't have a unique character tag. It's just tagged
with the paragraph format and any character tag applied to the text
around it (bold, emphasis, etc.).  I'm trying to isolate the em dash b/c
it presents a problem when the paragraph is reformatted with Chinese
fonts.  I haven't had the same problem with any other character.

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I would like to apply a character tag to a particular character that is
used in paragraphs of several different styles without changing the
rest
of the attributes. As far as I can tell, Frame only lets me change
character attributes, not tags.

If I understand, the problem is to change OldTag to NewTag, 
preserving all attributes. Does the following help?

Copying a particular character format (Command-Option-x on the Mac) 
and pasting it (Command-V) changes attributes and tags. But if OldTag 
and NewTag have the same attributes, all that happens when you paste 
is that the tagname changes. So manually set up one character with 
NewTag, same attribs as OldTag, and Command-OPtion-x it.

One could then FindNext through the document (Command-G), pasting 
(Command-V) NewTag over OldTag on each occurrence of the target 
character. So long as only occurrences of the target character have 
NewTag you can then affect them and only them by altering the 
attributes of NewTag, if desired. Automating this in Applescript 
would be trivial.

Graeme Forbes
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Re: FrameMaker 5.5.6 Word InDesign help needed

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 Still, useful to know about the better features of CS2: I'll upgrade just
as soon as another InD project comes in.


Footnotes were another big one they added with CS2. ID still doesn't come
close to Frame in terms of automation, but with every release they get a
little closer. Make sure you've got a newer computer, though. IDCS ran okay
on my aging Pentium III, but CS2 is so annoyingly slow that I've decided to
get something new.

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Captions: dynamic or relative indentation for autonumbered paragraph format

Hi All,
   
  (FM7.2 on WinXP) Our templates and style guide have the graphics and tables 
left-aligned with captions. However, when the figure is an integrated graphic 
in a procedure, it looks a bit odd to have the figure and caption all the way 
over against the left edge of the text frame when the surrounding text is at 
various levels of indentation.25 inches for numbered steps and additional .25 
inches for substep or bullet levels, potentially .75 inches from the left 
margin, if the graphic appears after options in an alpha substep, like a short 
bulleted list under step 3 (b). (I hope that make sense. It would be so much 
easier to just show you!)
   
  A couple of employers (and several years) ago, we had FM templates that used 
a figure caption paragraph format, and ifwhen you inserted the anchored 
frameyou followed some certain procedure (which of course I cannot find and 
only vaguely remember) you could get the paragraph to align itself relative to 
the level of indentation of the preceding paragraph. Long story short, that 
company got sold, and the other writers have long been scattered to the winds. 
   
  So, now I'm trying to reinvent the wheel. I tried messing around with where I 
insert the anchored frame and the various combinations of anchored frame 
positioning and alignment, but I can't seem to get it working.  Seems like we 
had a shortcut keystroke set up, maybe with a .cfg file or something, but you 
could manually make it happen even without using the shortcut. Does anyone on 
this list have any ideas?  Brainstorming would be helpful!  :-)
   
  Thanks,
  Rene Stephenson
   
   
   


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Re: Captions: dynamic or relative indentation for autonumbered paragraph format


Try setting the Anchored Frame to centered and the width of the text
column. Then set the left indent of the graphic to the indent of the
preceding tag.

Art

On 1/31/07, Rene Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi All,

  (FM7.2 on WinXP) Our templates and style guide have the graphics and tables 
left-aligned with captions. However, when the figure is an integrated graphic 
in a procedure, it looks a bit odd to have the figure and caption all the way 
over against the left edge of the text frame when the surrounding text is at 
various levels of indentation—.25 inches for numbered steps and additional .25 
inches for substep or bullet levels, potentially .75 inches from the left 
margin, if the graphic appears after options in an alpha substep, like a short 
bulleted list under step 3 (b). (I hope that make sense. It would be so much 
easier to just show you!)

  A couple of employers (and several years) ago, we had FM templates that used 
a figure caption paragraph format, and if–when you inserted the anchored 
frame–you followed some certain procedure (which of course I cannot find and 
only vaguely remember) you could get the paragraph to align itself relative to 
the level of indentation of the preceding paragraph. Long story short, that 
company got sold, and the other writers have long been scattered to the winds.

  So, now I'm trying to reinvent the wheel. I tried messing around with where I 
insert the anchored frame and the various combinations of anchored frame 
positioning and alignment, but I can't seem to get it working.  Seems like we 
had a shortcut keystroke set up, maybe with a .cfg file or something, but you 
could manually make it happen even without using the shortcut. Does anyone on 
this list have any ideas?  Brainstorming would be helpful!  :-)

  Thanks,
  Rene Stephenson





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GRAY BOXES IN PDF


Hi there,
FM 7.1 Win XP SP2, Acrobat 7.0 Pitstop 7.0.
I'm making a PDF file from FM file that contains TIFF images (bitmap) RGB 
equivalent (Black and white). When converting to Gray in Acrobat with 
Pitstop a gray box appears around the art. Though it is possible to remove 
the box it is not optimum. Box is 98.8% Gray.

This problem didn't exist with Pitstop 6.
I'm using Acrobat Distiller 6.0. TIFF image is 600 dpi. Distiller setting is 
300 dpi if this matters.

Did anyone come across such a thing?
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RE: GRAY BOXES IN PDF

2007-01-31 Thread Dov Isaacs

Given that the only variable appears to be Pitstop 6
versus Pitstop 7, maybe you should contact Enfocus'
tech support or post on their user forums.

(FWIW, my experience is that Pitstop 7 is not quite
as stable as Pitstop 6.)

Note that Acrobat Pro (7 or 8) does contain an option
for global color conversion (such as RGB to grayscale)
on a page or document basis.

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Zaichenko
 Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:28 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: GRAY BOXES IN PDF
 
 Hi there,
 FM 7.1 Win XP SP2, Acrobat 7.0 Pitstop 7.0.
 I'm making a PDF file from FM file that contains TIFF images 
 (bitmap) RGB equivalent (Black and white). When converting to 
 Gray in Acrobat with Pitstop a gray box appears around the 
 art. Though it is possible to remove the box it is not 
 optimum. Box is 98.8% Gray.
 This problem didn't exist with Pitstop 6.
 I'm using Acrobat Distiller 6.0. TIFF image is 600 dpi. 
 Distiller setting is 300 dpi if this matters.
 Did anyone come across such a thing?
 Michael
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Paste Special

2007-01-31 Thread John Pilla

I couldn't find it. 
Is there a shortcut key combination (FM 7.0)  for Paste Special? 
In MSWord, I created a shortcut key to Paste Special  Unformatted Text. 
Now that I am working in FM (again - finally, after 6 long years) - I find 
I need to copy a lot of content from previous versions of material in 
MSWord, into FM documents. 
Since I already have template and styles, and its not always from one 
document.  Using Paste Special is the most efficient. 
 
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Re: Captions: dynamic or relative indentation for autonumbered paragraph format

Thanks - but that doesn't affect the figure caption. I think my original 
question got too convoluted (sorry). I'm trying to figure out how to get the 
paragraph for the figure caption to indent relative to the preceding 
paragraph...without having to manually change the settings in the paragraph 
designer every time a different caption indentation is needed?
   
  Rene

Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Try setting the Anchored Frame to centered and the width of the text
column. Then set the left indent of the graphic to the indent of the
preceding tag.

Art

On 1/31/07, Rene Stephenson wrote:
 Hi All,

 (FM7.2 on WinXP) Our templates and style guide have the graphics and tables 
 left-aligned with captions. However, when the figure is an integrated graphic 
 in a procedure, it looks a bit odd to have the figure and caption all the way 
 over against the left edge of the text frame when the surrounding text is at 
 various levels of indentation.25 inches for numbered steps and additional 
 .25 inches for substep or bullet levels, potentially .75 inches from the left 
 margin, if the graphic appears after options in an alpha substep, like a 
 short bulleted list under step 3 (b). (I hope that make sense. It would be so 
 much easier to just show you!)

 A couple of employers (and several years) ago, we had FM templates that used 
 a figure caption paragraph format, and ifwhen you inserted the anchored 
 frameyou followed some certain procedure (which of course I cannot find and 
 only vaguely remember) you could get the paragraph to align itself relative 
 to the level of indentation of the preceding paragraph. Long story short, 
 that company got sold, and the other writers have long been scattered to the 
 winds.

 So, now I'm trying to reinvent the wheel. I tried messing around with where I 
 insert the anchored frame and the various combinations of anchored frame 
 positioning and alignment, but I can't seem to get it working. Seems like we 
 had a shortcut keystroke set up, maybe with a .cfg file or something, but you 
 could manually make it happen even without using the shortcut. Does anyone on 
 this list have any ideas? Brainstorming would be helpful! :-)

 Thanks,
 Rene Stephenson





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 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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RE: GRAY BOXES IN PDF

Thanks Dov,
I noticed this instability. Don't know if I should switch back to 6.0.
On Global conversion in 7. I'll try this one. Might solve my problem.
Michael

From: Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael Zaichenko [EMAIL PROTECTED],
framers@lists.frameusers.com

Subject: RE: GRAY BOXES IN PDF
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:34:41 -0800

Given that the only variable appears to be Pitstop 6
versus Pitstop 7, maybe you should contact Enfocus'
tech support or post on their user forums.

(FWIW, my experience is that Pitstop 7 is not quite
as stable as Pitstop 6.)

Note that Acrobat Pro (7 or 8) does contain an option
for global color conversion (such as RGB to grayscale)
on a page or document basis.

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Zaichenko
 Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:28 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: GRAY BOXES IN PDF

 Hi there,
 FM 7.1 Win XP SP2, Acrobat 7.0 Pitstop 7.0.
 I'm making a PDF file from FM file that contains TIFF images
 (bitmap) RGB equivalent (Black and white). When converting to
 Gray in Acrobat with Pitstop a gray box appears around the
 art. Though it is possible to remove the box it is not
 optimum. Box is 98.8% Gray.
 This problem didn't exist with Pitstop 6.
 I'm using Acrobat Distiller 6.0. TIFF image is 600 dpi.
 Distiller setting is 300 dpi if this matters.
 Did anyone come across such a thing?
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RE: GRAY BOXES IN PDF

Because 7.0 has some issues with line art smoothing and font embeding and 
display.

After some experiments I reverted to 6.
Michael

From: Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: GRAY BOXES IN PDF
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:35:08 -0500

It may not relate to your problem, but if you are using
Acrobat 7.0 why are you using Distiller 6.0???

From: Michael Zaichenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: GRAY BOXES IN PDF
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:28:15 +0100

Hi there,
FM 7.1 Win XP SP2, Acrobat 7.0 Pitstop 7.0.
I'm making a PDF file from FM file that contains TIFF images (bitmap) RGB 
equivalent (Black and white). When converting to Gray in Acrobat with 
Pitstop a gray box appears around the art. Though it is possible to remove 
the box it is not optimum. Box is 98.8% Gray.

This problem didn't exist with Pitstop 6.
I'm using Acrobat Distiller 6.0. TIFF image is 600 dpi. Distiller setting 
is 300 dpi if this matters.

Did anyone come across such a thing?
Michael

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RE: Paste Special

2007-01-31 Thread Fred Ridder


My preferred approach is to change the default behavior when pasting
from the clipboard to be plain text. That way you only have to use Paste
Special when you want to do something else (e.g. pasting a Word table
as RTF).  You do this by modifying the ClipboardFormatPriorites item in
maker.ini. I change it from
ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF, TEXT
to
ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, TEXT, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF

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From: John Pilla [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: Paste Special
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:00:55 -0500

I couldn't find it.
Is there a shortcut key combination (FM 7.0)  for Paste Special?
In MSWord, I created a shortcut key to Paste Special  Unformatted Text.
Now that I am working in FM (again - finally, after 6 long years) - I find
I need to copy a lot of content from previous versions of material in
MSWord, into FM documents.
Since I already have template and styles, and its not always from one
document.  Using Paste Special is the most efficient.

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Re: Paste Special


You probably have Quick Menu turned on instead of Complete.
Change the setting under the View menu, then look for Paste Special on
the Edit menu.
Shortcut is Esc, e,s,t

Art

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I couldn't find it.
Is there a shortcut key combination (FM 7.0)  for Paste Special?
In MSWord, I created a shortcut key to Paste Special  Unformatted Text.
Now that I am working in FM (again - finally, after 6 long years) - I find
I need to copy a lot of content from previous versions of material in
MSWord, into FM documents.
Since I already have template and styles, and its not always from one
document.  Using Paste Special is the most efficient.

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MRO Software (An IBM Company)
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RE: QA wants unique edition number in changed footers

Fugly = effin' ugly  :-) 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: QA wants unique edition number in changed footers

At 08:37 -0800 31/1/07, Frank Stearns wrote:

GH: SNIP

If you consider the latter option, beware of a FrameMaker 'gotcha' 
I hit yesterday: if a text inset imports a named flow from one of 
its own reference pages, the link to the reference flow breaks if you
rename the file.

Grant Hogarth calls this a 'fugly': great word, although I have no 
idea what it means - a manifestation of the Law of Unintended
Consequences, maybe.

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RE: character tags in cross reference text

2007-01-31 Thread rebecca officer

Hi Caroline

Thanks for that, but unfortunately - as Niels thought - it doesn't work
in this situation. We have text like this:

parameter1 option1 parameter2 parameter3 option3

where option1 and option3 need to be in italics. And the number of
parameters and options varies.

I have a nasty feeling I've seen other people post similar requests in
the dim dark past and get no solutions, but thought I'd see if anyone's
invented something clever.

Cheers, Rebecca


 Caroline Tabach [EMAIL PROTECTED] 31/01/07 22:27 
I think you would need to make a special cross reference style that you
use just to create the cross references to the commands.
Then  define for that cross reference style that the characters should
appear in italics (i.e. use for the cross reference the character tag
that is used for the commands)

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Subject: character tags in cross reference text

Hi everyone

I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a
cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged text, and
preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?

We document commands, and some of them have italics in part of the
command syntax. In the associated step-by-step instructions, the most
reliable way to include the command syntax is to use cross-references.
But the italics get lost. :-(

Thanks!
Rebecca

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RE: character tags in cross reference text

If the options are redundant/replicated two options I can think of are:
1: A variable for each option, as variables can contain formatting
2: An inset for each option.

Or perhaps I'm missing a bit

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Subject: RE: character tags in cross reference text

Hi Caroline

Thanks for that, but unfortunately - as Niels thought - it doesn't work
in this situation. We have text like this:

parameter1 option1 parameter2 parameter3 option3

where option1 and option3 need to be in italics. And the number of
parameters and options varies.

I have a nasty feeling I've seen other people post similar requests in
the dim dark past and get no solutions, but thought I'd see if anyone's
invented something clever.

Cheers, Rebecca


 Caroline Tabach [EMAIL PROTECTED] 31/01/07 22:27 
I think you would need to make a special cross reference style that you
use just to create the cross references to the commands.
Then  define for that cross reference style that the characters should
appear in italics (i.e. use for the cross reference the character tag
that is used for the commands)

Caroline Tabach
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Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:56 AM
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Subject: character tags in cross reference text

Hi everyone

I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a
cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged text, and
preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?

We document commands, and some of them have italics in part of the
command syntax. In the associated step-by-step instructions, the most
reliable way to include the command syntax is to use cross-references.
But the italics get lost. :-(

Thanks!
Rebecca
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Re: QA wants unique edition number in changed footers

2007-01-31 Thread Daniel Emory

--- Andersen, Verner Engell VEA
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 Have you any idea of how I can have the various
 edition numbers in footer of each chapter page and
 still have the possibility of importing all formats
 from all files without messing things up?
==
This kind of dilemma can be eliminated in structured
FM documents. The edition number, rev number, rev
date, effectivy, and similar info can be produced by
defining FrameMaker header/footer variables which pick
up the current value(s) of the applicable element
attributes. 

In mission-critical documents (aircraft maintenance
manuals, for instance) the process begins with the
technician picking a work card to perform a particular
maintenance task on a particular aircraft (the same
aircraft model can have many different configurations,
even within the same airline). The work card provides
all the information needed to assuredly select the
correct procedural instructions from the maintenance
manual (in the ATA methodology, the mechanic submits
the work card number to a database, which retrieves
the applicable procedure from the maintenance manual).


The work card information may even allow the mechanic
to examine the information in the footer of each page
of the retrieved procedure to verify that the footer
information (such as the page's effectivity, current
revision date, page block number, etc.) agrees with
what appears on the work card. All of this footer
informatin in the retrieved procedure is produced from
header/footer variables which pick up the current
values of the corresponding element attributes when
the procedure is delivered to the machanic.

As you can see, this approach, employing element
attributes which are converted by structured
FrameMaker to header/footer variables appearing in the
footer, can be used at any level of granularity, even
down to individual pages.


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RE: Captions: dynamic or relative indentation for autonumberedparagraph format

2007-01-31 Thread Steve Cavanaugh

I have a little different technique for figures here.  I have set up a
Table format with title below, the paragraph format having the word
Figure in the numbering scheme.  It is a one-row one-column table,
with no borders into which I place my graphic reference.  This allows me
to refer to it by name, format it with a paragraph format, and set its
width and placement using that paragraph format.  It works great because
the title is beholden to the table, and it flows with the rest of the
flow as I want it to.   


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NAT Seattle Inc.

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Subject: Captions: dynamic or relative indentation for
autonumberedparagraph format

Hi All,
   
  (FM7.2 on WinXP) Our templates and style guide have the graphics and
tables left-aligned with captions. However, when the figure is an
integrated graphic in a procedure, it looks a bit odd to have the figure
and caption all the way over against the left edge of the text frame
when the surrounding text is at various levels of indentation-.25 inches
for numbered steps and additional .25 inches for substep or bullet
levels, potentially .75 inches from the left margin, if the graphic
appears after options in an alpha substep, like a short bulleted list
under step 3 (b). (I hope that make sense. It would be so much easier to
just show you!)
   
  A couple of employers (and several years) ago, we had FM templates
that used a figure caption paragraph format, and if-when you inserted
the anchored frame-you followed some certain procedure (which of course
I cannot find and only vaguely remember) you could get the paragraph to
align itself relative to the level of indentation of the preceding
paragraph. Long story short, that company got sold, and the other
writers have long been scattered to the winds. 
   
  So, now I'm trying to reinvent the wheel. I tried messing around with
where I insert the anchored frame and the various combinations of
anchored frame positioning and alignment, but I can't seem to get it
working.  Seems like we had a shortcut keystroke set up, maybe with a
.cfg file or something, but you could manually make it happen even
without using the shortcut. Does anyone on this list have any ideas?
Brainstorming would be helpful!  :-)
   
  Thanks,
  Rene Stephenson
   
   
   


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Re: Captions: dynamic or relative indentation for autonumbered paragraph format

2007-01-31 Thread Stuart Rogers


Rene Stephenson wrote:

Thanks - but that doesn't affect the figure caption. I think my
original question got too convoluted (sorry). I'm trying to figure
out how to get the paragraph for the figure caption to indent
relative to the preceding paragraph...without having to manually
change the settings in the paragraph designer every time a different
caption indentation is needed?


I don't have as many possible indentation levels as you, but I simply 
created a series of pgf tags, for the graphic (gfGraphicFlush, 
gi1GraphicIndent1, gi2GraphicIndent2) and for the caption 
(cfCaptionFlush, ci1, ci2, etc.). I always put my graphics in a pgf of 
their own At Insertion Point, with the correct tag applied. The graphic 
pgf tags specify the corresponding caption tag as the Next Pgf.


HTH,

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RE: character tags in cross reference text

2007-01-31 Thread Combs, Richard

rebecca officer wrote:
 
 I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a 
 cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged 
 text, and preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?
 
 We document commands, and some of them have italics in part 
 of the command syntax. In the associated step-by-step 
 instructions, the most reliable way to include the command 
 syntax is to use cross-references.
 But the italics get lost. :-(

I vaguely recall someone describing a (somewhat difficult) solution for
this once, but don't have time to search for the post right now. IIRC,
it was based on the fact that xrefs retain char formats that use a
different font family. So, you need to create a copy of the font used
with a new name -- I think you need Fontographer or equivalent because
you have to change the internal name of the font. 

For instance, if you're using Courier for your commands, and applying
the Variable char tag to italicize the variables, you create a new font,
CourierCopy, and redefine the Variable char tag to be CourierCopy
Italic. FM will retain this in your xrefs. 

As a quick test, try it with two similar-looking fonts, such as the
PostScript font Courier and its TrueType cousin, Courier New -- if that
works and looks OK, maybe you're done! :-) 

HTH!
Richard


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Re: Captions: dynamic or relative indentation for autonumbered paragraph format

Yes, that is one way to do it...Thanks, Stuart.
  Rene

Stuart Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Rene Stephenson wrote:
 Thanks - but that doesn't affect the figure caption. I think my
 original question got too convoluted (sorry). I'm trying to figure
 out how to get the paragraph for the figure caption to indent
 relative to the preceding paragraph...without having to manually
 change the settings in the paragraph designer every time a different
 caption indentation is needed?

I don't have as many possible indentation levels as you, but I simply 
created a series of pgf tags, for the graphic (gfGraphicFlush, 
gi1GraphicIndent1, gi2GraphicIndent2) and for the caption 
(cfCaptionFlush, ci1, ci2, etc.). I always put my graphics in a pgf of 
their own At Insertion Point, with the correct tag applied. The graphic 
pgf tags specify the corresponding caption tag as the Next Pgf.

HTH,

-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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RE: character tags in cross reference text

2007-01-31 Thread rebecca officer

Thanks Richard!

I did the quick test (Courier - Courier New) and it didn't preserve
the italics but did preserve the different font in the xref. So the bits
that I wanted to have Courier New italics were Courier New. That's a lot
closer than I was before!

So by the look of it, I need to find/make a version of Courier that has
the italics as its regular form. That should be do-able. If anyone
knows how off the top of their head, I'd appreciate the info. Otherwise,
I'll go play.

Cheers, Rebecca

 Combs, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/02/07 10:21 
rebecca officer wrote:
 
 I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a 
 cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged 
 text, and preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?
 
 We document commands, and some of them have italics in part 
 of the command syntax. In the associated step-by-step 
 instructions, the most reliable way to include the command 
 syntax is to use cross-references.
 But the italics get lost. :-(

I vaguely recall someone describing a (somewhat difficult) solution
for
this once, but don't have time to search for the post right now. IIRC,
it was based on the fact that xrefs retain char formats that use a
different font family. So, you need to create a copy of the font used
with a new name -- I think you need Fontographer or equivalent because
you have to change the internal name of the font. 

For instance, if you're using Courier for your commands, and applying
the Variable char tag to italicize the variables, you create a new
font,
CourierCopy, and redefine the Variable char tag to be CourierCopy
Italic. FM will retain this in your xrefs. 

As a quick test, try it with two similar-looking fonts, such as the
PostScript font Courier and its TrueType cousin, Courier New -- if
that
works and looks OK, maybe you're done! :-) 

HTH!
Richard


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Re: Paste Special

2007-01-31 Thread Seraphim Larsen


I also prefer Fred's method.

But if you still need a keyboard shortcut, it's Ctrl-Shift-V


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On 1/31/07, Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

My preferred approach is to change the default behavior when pasting
from the clipboard to be plain text. That way you only have to use Paste
Special when you want to do something else (e.g. pasting a Word table
as RTF).  You do this by modifying the ClipboardFormatPriorites item in
maker.ini. I change it from
ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF, TEXT
to
ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, TEXT, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF

My opionons only; I don't speak for Intel
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Subject: Paste Special
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:00:55 -0500

I couldn't find it.
Is there a shortcut key combination (FM 7.0)  for Paste Special?
In MSWord, I created a shortcut key to Paste Special  Unformatted Text.
Now that I am working in FM (again - finally, after 6 long years) - I find
I need to copy a lot of content from previous versions of material in
MSWord, into FM documents.
Since I already have template and styles, and its not always from one
document.  Using Paste Special is the most efficient.

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FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word > InDesign help needed

2007-01-31 Thread hedley.fin...@myob.com

All:

A former client of mine has a thesis with many graphics imported by 
reference into FrameMaker 5.5.6 running in Classic Mac 9.1 on 
PowerMacintosh.  She wants to convert them to InDesign v. 2.0.  I 
suggested that she save to Mac Word 4, 5, or 6, or to RTF using the 
Japanese converter, in the Save As dialogue.  I can't do this myself as I 
don't have FrameMaker installed on my home Windows computer.

So, will this process work: FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word/RTF > InDesign?  (I 
don't have InDesign or any InDesign experience.)

If this does work, can an Australian FrameMaker user who can assist in 
this conversion please contact Mary Ann directly at 
 or by calling mobile 0425 794 949 (+61 425 
794 949).

Thanks,
Hedley

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FM 7.1 Compatibility

2007-01-31 Thread hedley.fin...@myob.com

Will:

> he had
> some OLE issues but that is not surprising.

You don't need OLE.  Import graphics by reference.  If you double-click on 
them, they will open in the associated graphics program.

Regards,
Hedley

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character tags in cross reference text

2007-01-31 Thread rebecca officer

Hi everyone

I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a
cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged text, and
preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?

We document commands, and some of them have italics in part of the
command syntax. In the associated step-by-step instructions, the most
reliable way to include the command syntax is to use cross-references.
But the italics get lost. :-(

Thanks!
Rebecca

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Disk vs memory

2007-01-31 Thread Paul Grigg

Shot in the dark, but if that FrameMaker file or a previous version of it
was ever run through Webworks to create some form of online help, then under
the \temp folder you'll find a mif version of it.

Paul 

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Behalf Of Michael.Long at thomson.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 5:56 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Disk vs memory

All,

My associate and I have just discovered that all our work in FrameMaker
yesterday is likely lost. The network people were updating servers yesterday
and unknowingly lost our files and probably others. Can anyone tell if and
where I can find those files on our C drives, which I assume is the "disk"
referred to in Frame doc?

I recall and find references in Frame doc to the interaction between
computer memory and disk, which suggests that copies of all saves are stored
on C. But I find no information identifying a location on the disk that
files are saved to.  A search of C for the .fm files didn't turn up the
targets.

Tips are welcome--the sooner the better.

Thanks,
Mike


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Team Leader, User Documentation
Thomson Medstat




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2007-01-31 Thread Graeme Forbes

>I would like to apply a character tag to a particular character that is
>used in paragraphs of several different styles without changing the rest
>of the attributes. As far as I can tell, Frame only lets me change
>character attributes, not tags.

If I understand, the problem is to change OldTag to NewTag, 
preserving all attributes. Does the following help?

Copying a particular character format (Command-Option-x on the Mac) 
and pasting it (Command-V) changes attributes and tags. But if OldTag 
and NewTag have the same attributes, all that happens when you paste 
is that the tagname changes. So manually set up one character with 
NewTag, same attribs as OldTag, and Command-OPtion-x it.

One could then FindNext through the document (Command-G), pasting 
(Command-V) NewTag over OldTag on each occurrence of the target 
character. So long as only occurrences of the target character have 
NewTag you can then affect them and only them by altering the 
attributes of NewTag, if desired. Automating this in Applescript 
would be trivial.

Graeme Forbes

character tags in cross reference text

2007-01-31 Thread Caroline Tabach

I think you would need to make a special cross reference style that you use 
just to create the cross references to the commands.
Then  define for that cross reference style that the characters should appear 
in italics (i.e. use for the cross reference the character tag that is used for 
the commands)

Caroline?Tabach
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Subject: character tags in cross reference text

Hi everyone

I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a
cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged text, and
preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?

We document commands, and some of them have italics in part of the
command syntax. In the associated step-by-step instructions, the most
reliable way to include the command syntax is to use cross-references.
But the italics get lost. :-(

Thanks!
Rebecca

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character tags in cross reference text

2007-01-31 Thread Niels Fanøe

Hi,

That isn't going to work - Rebeccas problem is that only part of the 
text-to-be-referenced is in italics.

I'm not sure there is a solution to this...

-Niels 

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Subject: RE: character tags in cross reference text

I think you would need to make a special cross reference style that you use 
just to create the cross references to the commands.
Then  define for that cross reference style that the characters should appear 
in italics (i.e. use for the cross reference the character tag that is used for 
the commands)

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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: character tags in cross reference text

Hi everyone

I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a cross-reference to 
something that includes character-tagged text, and preserve the character tag 
in the cross-reference?

We document commands, and some of them have italics in part of the command 
syntax. In the associated step-by-step instructions, the most reliable way to 
include the command syntax is to use cross-references.
But the italics get lost. :-(

Thanks!
Rebecca

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FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word > InDesign help needed

At 15:19 +1100 31/1/07, hedley.finger at myob.com wrote:

>A former client of mine has a thesis with many graphics imported by
>reference into FrameMaker 5.5.6 running in Classic Mac 9.1 on
>PowerMacintosh.  She wants to convert them to InDesign v. 2.0.  I
>suggested that she save to Mac Word 4, 5, or 6, or to RTF using the
>Japanese converter, in the Save As dialogue.  I can't do this myself as I
>don't have FrameMaker installed on my home Windows computer.
>
>So, will this process work: FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word/RTF > InDesign?  (I
>don't have InDesign or any InDesign experience.)

I think this was the route I took a few years ago when presented with the same 
thing. However, I was fortunate in that the Word Ms had no graphics: these 
would need to be picked out of the Word docs and re-set in InDesign. Trouble 
is, Word does a load of Deep Juju on imported graphics, and I'll bet in your 
client's case the original image files are no longer available.

One trick that is often recommended to handle embedded graphics in Word is to 
[separately] save as HTML, which spits out all the graphics separately. Trouble 
is, I think it spits them out as GIFs - although this might be configurable.

>If this does work, can an Australian FrameMaker user who can assist in
>this conversion please contact Mary Ann directly at
> or by calling mobile 0425 794 949 (+61 425
>794 949).

Moral: read ahead... :-(

-- 
Steve

FM 7.1 Compatibility

2007-01-31 Thread Shmuel Wolfson

Strange.

I find importing Visio files as OLE objects (from Visio 2000 to FM 7.2) 
to work just fine. When I try to File>Insert>File (by reference) it 
doesn't recognize the Visio file format, and Visio is not in the list. 
Perhaps my version of Visio is too old.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



T.W. Smith wrote:
> Agreed. I did not mean to blame FM. Rather, I meant to recommend against
> OLE.
>
> Import graphics by reference. From Visio, this means PDF or EPS 
> created from
> PDF. Works for me like a charm. (Actually, I usually go furhter and 
> import
> that into illustrator, edit from there, and use the AI--PDF as Dov
> rightfully notes--in FM.)
>
> On 1/30/07, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
>>
>> PS: I would strongly concur about any migrations from
>> Windows 2000 or especially Windows XP to Vista. Unless
>> you have a brand new system with tons of memory, dual
>> cores, high speed graphics card, and plenty of extra
>> disk space, use of Vista to support typical FrameMaker
>> and associated support programs (including Photoshop,
>> Illustrator, and Acrobat) buys you precious little other
>> than a sluggish system. Best idea is to wait until you
>> need to replace your current computers.
>>
>> - Dov
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: T.W. Smith
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:37 PM
>> > To: William Gaffga
>> > Cc: Framers List
>> > Subject: Re: FM 7.1 Compatibility
>> >
>> > No.
>> >
>> > I wouldn't move a production machine to Vista for at least
>> > another 9 months.
>> > I'd run SnagIt on the test box and document on XP.
>> >
>> > However, FM has always had issues with OLE, I recommend
>> > avoiding it on any and all OSes.
>>
>
>
>

Problem with Bookmarks in PDFs coming from structured framemaker documents (bis)

2007-01-31 Thread Shlomo Perets

Lodewijk,

You wrote:

>... In the result so far we notice that not only
>
>head(Level1)
>head(Level2)
>head(Level3)
>
>appears as bookmark but also
>
>head(Level1)TOC
>head(Level2)TOC
>head(Level3)TOC
>
>It is as if head(Level1),  head(Level3), head(Level3)  have a wildcard so 
>that also elements with a suffix added to these respective names are used 
>for bookmarks.
>
>Is this a known problem?

I'm not sure whether this is a bug or an intended feature, but bookmark 
settings that you have in individual book components are processed *in 
addition* to the book-level bookmark settings.

It's likely that your TOC file has the head(LevelX)TOC paragraph tags 
indicated as bookmarks (inherited from a template, or populated by FrameMaker).

Open the TOC file and select Format > Document > PDF Setup; move the 
paragraph tags to the "Don't Include" box (you can hold down the Shift key 
and click the arrow to move all items at once).

Upon recreating the PS file from the book, the "extra" TOC bookmarks should 
not be present anymore.

Shlomo Perets

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Problem with Bookmarks in PDFs coming from structured framemaker documents (bis)

2007-01-31 Thread Nollet, Lodewijk (Gent)

Hello all, 


Structured Framemaker-to-PDF problem, noticed using 7.0 and 7.2. 


We use "head" elements as headers of generic "sections". 

The layout of the "head" depends on the context and is defined with a
"level rule" in the EDD. 
All levels also have a context label Level1, Level2 etc. defined in the
EDD.

We use the head(Level1), head(Level2) and head(Level3) elements to
construct our table of contents. 

In the generated, unstructured table of contents we have forseen styles 
head(Level1)TOC, 
head(Level2)TOC and 
head(Level3)TOC. 

(We've made a number of modifications to the default unformatted styles
in the reference pages, but maintained the style names).


When we want to create a PDF-file and set up the bookmarks, we go to the
FM Print Window > PDF setup > Bookmarks, 
then we select to become bookmarks 
head(Level1)
head(Level2)
head(Level3)

After that we create a PS-file and distill the PDF. 

In the result so far we notice that not only 

head(Level1)
head(Level2)
head(Level3)

appears as bookmark but also 

head(Level1)TOC
head(Level2)TOC
head(Level3)TOC

It is as if head(Level1),  head(Level3), head(Level3)  have a wildcard
so that also elements with a suffix added to these respective names are
used for bookmarks. 

Is this a known problem? 

Any help is appreciated. 

Kind regards, 

Lodewijk

(no subject)

2007-01-31 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

Seems to me that Illustrator is either changing the page size or that
the graphic has been this way earlier but moved (manually?) within
FM's anchored frame.
IMHO, if you change the page size in AI to fit the graphic, that could
do the trick.

If you have the original AI or EPS graphics (from before the change),
compare these settings with the revised graphics and go from there.

If you have FrameScript, there might be a possibility, depending on
what is wrong, to manage this in one run bookwise (search for graphic
and set the offsets from left and top to a given value -- my guess is
0,0).

Hopefully it is as simple as that.

HTH,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Supervisor Publishing
Air Atlanta Icelandic

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>
> Thanks for your responses. It does appear that there is some sort of bug...
> Indeed the graphic is there, but way off to the side, off the page. Sigh, I
> will  have to reimport this into about 80 documents.
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy Adams
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FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word > InDesign help needed

2007-01-31 Thread Ridder, Fred

An approach I've used a lot when I don't have the source files for
graphics in a Word file I need to convert to FrameMaker is to 
select just the graphic and use the Selection option and the 
Adobe PDF printer in the Print dialog to make a PDF of the 
graphic. I then open the PDF in Acrobat sand use the 
Document>Crop command to crop away the whitespace. 
Using that PDF in FrameMaker produces results that print
just as well as they do in the Word document because the
Adobe PDF printer captures all the benefits of Word's "Deep
Juju". As Dov noted, the placed PDF is converted to EPS 
when you print the FrameMaker document, and you have
the added benefit of a *much* better on-screen rendition of
the graphic in FrameMaker.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ

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[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 5:58 AM
To: hedley.finger at myob.com
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word > InDesign help needed

At 15:19 +1100 31/1/07, hedley.finger at myob.com wrote:

>A former client of mine has a thesis with many graphics imported by
>reference into FrameMaker 5.5.6 running in Classic Mac 9.1 on
>PowerMacintosh.  She wants to convert them to InDesign v. 2.0.  I
>suggested that she save to Mac Word 4, 5, or 6, or to RTF using the
>Japanese converter, in the Save As dialogue.  I can't do this myself as
I
>don't have FrameMaker installed on my home Windows computer.
>
>So, will this process work: FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word/RTF > InDesign?  (I
>don't have InDesign or any InDesign experience.)

I think this was the route I took a few years ago when presented with
the same thing. However, I was fortunate in that the Word Ms had no
graphics: these would need to be picked out of the Word docs and re-set
in InDesign. Trouble is, Word does a load of Deep Juju on imported
graphics, and I'll bet in your client's case the original image files
are no longer available.

One trick that is often recommended to handle embedded graphics in Word
is to [separately] save as HTML, which spits out all the graphics
separately. Trouble is, I think it spits them out as GIFs - although
this might be configurable.

>If this does work, can an Australian FrameMaker user who can assist in
>this conversion please contact Mary Ann directly at
> or by calling mobile 0425 794 949 (+61 425
>794 949).

Moral: read ahead... :-(

-- 
Steve
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FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word > InDesign help needed

From: 

> So, will this process work: FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word/RTF > InDesign?  (I
don't have InDesign or any InDesign experience.)


Sure, but I agree with Steve: remove the graphics first and then Place them
again in Indesign. Since they're referenced, this shouldn't be a problem.
The Indesign document will need some work; it will get styles and local
formatting from RTF, but of course it will only get what Frame was able to
put into the RTF file (and it will probably get some junk that you don't
want).

Indesign 2.0 was kind of primitive. IDCS2 offers anchored objects. I don't
think ID2 could anchor (but it's been awhile), so she might want to consider
upgrading first.


> If this does work, can an Australian FrameMaker user


Why Australian? Why does she need help at all? It sounds like she has both
Frame and Indesign. She should just delete all the graphics, save as RTF,
Place the RTF in ID (keeping styles and formatting), and then add back the
graphics. But if she does need help, I'd be happy to assist, even though I'm
in upstate New York.

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
(518) 697-0700
www.pegtype.com

FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word > InDesign help needed

2007-01-31 Thread Peter Gold

Look into the MIF-to-ID tool now in beta test phase from DTP Tools:

http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid


Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word > InDesign help needed

2007-01-31 Thread Wolfgang Kühn

Kenneth C. Benson wrote:
> ...
> Indesign 2.0 was kind of primitive. IDCS2 offers anchored objects. I don't
> think ID2 could anchor (but it's been awhile), so she might want to consider
> upgrading first.
> ...
>   
Anchored objects are a very new feature of IDCS2. The DOC/RTF import
filter of IDCS2 was completely re-designed and has many new features. I
agree totally with Steve: ID2.0 was very primitive (not a challenger for
Quark) but in this edition Adobe integrates the FM book feature and many
other features from FM. That was also the reason why many technical
writers declared FM as dead at that time.

WoK

High quality images

2007-01-31 Thread Jon Harvey

Dov,

Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier. I've been using SnagIt 6.2 to
capture images. The hard issue I've been having is in creating captures
that can be placed on the Web. Some of these include simple line that I
need to resize, drawings that also include text. It hasn't been easy to
find a way to get good, clear graphics.

To further answer your question, I've been using the default settings in
SnagIt and importing into FM 7.2 as Objects rather than files. That in
itself may be part of my mistake. I've used your method described below
using stricty SnagIt, rather than PhotoShop, and got similar (good)
results to yours. Thanks!

Jon Harvey
Manager, Desktop Documentation

CambridgeSoft Corporation
100 CambridgePark Drive
Cambridge, MA 02140

-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isa...@adobe.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:29 PM
To: Jon Harvey; Stuart Rogers; Clara Hall
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: High quality images

Jon,

I just tried this on my notebook system sitting in a hotel
room on a business trip. Did screen shot Alt-PrtSc and pasted
the result into a new document in Photoshop 9 (=CS2).
Flattened the layers and saved as RGB TIFF with profile
embedded and LZW compression (in this case, the profile 
doesn't seem to make any difference, unfortunately). I then
started up FrameMaker 7.2 (updated with all patches available
on Adobe web site), created a new document, and imported the
TIFF file by reference onto a blank page. Worked like a charm.

What program did you create the TIFF file in? EXACTLY what 
options did you use to save the file? 

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Jon Harvey [mailto:JHarvey at cambridgesoft.com] 
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:03 AM
> To: Dov Isaacs; Stuart Rogers; Clara Hall
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: High quality images
> 
> Dov, 
> 
> I tried this. FrameMake imports the tif as an empty graphic 
> frame with the image file name in it. The image can be 
> activated but only in a graphics program. And, what you see 
> in FM is the same as you get in the PDF. Unless there is 
> something I can't get FM 7.2 on Windows to display the TIF 
> with LZW compression.
> 
> BTW, high quality imaging is an important subject to me since 
> my company creates drawing software. Our images HAVE to look 
> good. What am I missing here?
> 
> Jon Harvey
> Manager, Desktop Documentation
>  
> CambridgeSoft Corporation
> 100 CambridgePark Drive
> Cambridge, MA 02140

QA wants unique edition number in changed footers

2007-01-31 Thread Frank Stearns

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Andersen, Verner Engell VEA wrote:

> All my FM book files contain all master pages, all variables, all 
> reference pages etc. This means that if you accidentially copy formats 
> from one file to anoter nothing will go wrong.
>
> My edition number in the footer is simply a global variable. Now the QA 
> Department wants each chapter to have an editon number according to when 
> changes were made. This means that some chapters have edition k, others 
> edition l and so forth.
>
> Have you any idea of how I can have the various edition numbers in 
> footer of each chapter page and still have the possibility of importing 
> all formats from all files without messing things up?

I routinely use what I call a "reference" or "resource" file. It's not 
part of the printed book, but other files cross-reference to this file for 
various bits of info, such as version info, part #, etc.

You could list your edition info for each chapter in such an external 
file, then in each chapter doc xref to this reference doc to pick up the 
appropriate info for the footer. If something changes, you simply make a 
content change in the ref doc and regen the book, rather than copying 
formats around.

Doesn't take too much to set it up, and I always had more confidence in 
this approach rather than copying vars around because as you noted above, 
it's easy to break something by copying formats.

Frank

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Text inset strange behaviour, any solution?? [revisited]

At 22:49 +0100 30/1/07, Michael Zaichenko wrote:

>Set the last paragraph of the source document to Run-In. It will solve the 
>problem.

And indeed it does!

-- 
Steve

FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word > InDesign help needed

At 10:34 -0500 31/1/07, Kenneth C. Benson wrote

> > I agree totally with Steve: ID2.0 was very primitive
>
>Then you agree with Ken, not Steve. Although Steve may also hold those
>sentiments, he didn't say anything about ID2.

Yeah, I was wondering about this, especially as I'm still on InD 2.0 ;-) Still, 
useful to know about the better features of CS2: I'll upgrade just as soon as 
another InD project comes in.

-- 
Steve

QA wants unique edition number in changed footers

Could you use the system variable for Modification Date instead of an
edition number?
That'd be equally easy for 'em to track.

Art

On 1/31/07, Andersen, Verner Engell VEA  
wrote:
>
> Hi
> I am using unstructured Framemaker 7.2
>
> All my FM book files contain all master pages, all variables, all reference 
> pages etc. This means that if you accidentially copy formats from one file to 
> anoter nothing will go wrong.
>
> My edition number in the footer is simply a global variable. Now the QA 
> Department wants each chapter to have an editon number according to when 
> changes were made. This means that some chapters have edition k, others 
> edition l and so forth.
>
> Have you any idea of how I can have the various edition numbers in footer of 
> each chapter page and still have the possibility of importing all formats 
> from all files without messing things up?
>
> I want to avoid specific master pages for each chapter.
>
> Regards,
> Verner Andersen
> Technical Writer
>
> Radiometer Medical ApS
> ?kandevej 21 ? 2700 Br?nsh?j ? Denmark
> Tel. +45 38 27 36 12
> Mobile. + 45 60 62 27 90
> E-mail: verner.andersen at radiometer.dk
> Web: www.radiometer.com 
> 
>



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QA wants unique edition number in changed footers

At 08:37 -0800 31/1/07, Frank Stearns wrote:

>I routinely use what I call a "reference" or "resource" file. It's not part of 
>the printed book, but other files cross-reference to this file for various 
>bits of info, such as version info, part #, etc.
>
>You could list your edition info for each chapter in such an external file, 
>then in each chapter doc xref to this reference doc to pick up the appropriate 
>info for the footer. If something changes, you simply make a content change in 
>the ref doc and regen the book, rather than copying formats around.
>
>Doesn't take too much to set it up, and I always had more confidence in this 
>approach rather than copying vars around because as you noted above, it's easy 
>to break something by copying formats.

I was grunting my way through this when Frank's mail came in. You could 
implement this idea with named reference flows, too, either located in an 
external document, or on a reference page in each book document.

If you consider the latter option, beware of a FrameMaker 'gotcha' I hit 
yesterday: if a text inset imports a named flow from one of its own reference 
pages, the link to the reference flow breaks if you rename the file.

Grant Hogarth calls this a 'fugly': great word, although I have no idea what it 
means - a manifestation of the Law of Unintended Consequences, maybe.

-- 
Steve

FM 7.1 Compatibility

2007-01-31 Thread William Gaffga

Oh dear god, I'd never actually use OLE, I was just listing it as the  
one problem that another user was experiencing. Importing by  
reference is the only way to go, especially if you have to do  
localization.

As for the hardware, we'd planned on new dual core systems and our  
type of software requires a kickin' video card and RAM. We are near  
our point in the cycle for an upgrade so it seems fairly logical.

Perhaps I'll try FM on our test system first.

Thanks for the input.

Will.

Plugin for enhanced find/change operations?

Nope. The em dash character I'm concerned with appears in headings,
subheadings and body text and uses different fonts, sizes, etc. Copying
the character format copies all those character attributes. I need a way
to copy just one attribute and leave the others "As Is". I can (and have
been) do this one by one, but I was hoping to find a magic "Replace all"
button.

Now I'm playing around with the MIF files to see if I can find a
solution there.

Thanks for all your responses!

-Original Message-
From:
framers-bounces+acarrico=adamsglobalization.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+acarrico=adamsglobalization.com at lists.frameusers
.com] On Behalf Of Michael D. Conner
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:45 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Plugin for enhanced find/change operations?

Can't you just do this with a find and replace by pasting? Set up one
instance of the character with the proper character format, select it
and
copy, then find the character and replace by pasting, which puts in the
character with the character format.

Mike Conner

on 1/30/07 2:28 PM, Art Campbell at art.campbell at gmail.com wrote:

> Might want to look at superfind... don't know if it does what you
> want, but it is out there...
> 
>
http://www.bedagi.com/product/11716?type=2==181
ry=0
> 
> Art
> 
> On 1/29/07, Alison Carrico  wrote:
>> Does anyone know of a plugin, script or workaround that will allow me
to
>> find/change text & character tags in one operation?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I would like to apply a character tag to a particular character that
is
>> used in paragraphs of several different styles without changing the
rest
>> of the attributes. As far as I can tell, Frame only lets me change
>> character attributes, not tags.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
>> 
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Plugin for enhanced find/change operations?

Thanks! I wait with bated breath.  

I'm looking into whether I manipulate the MIF files somehow.  If I get that to 
work, I'll let you know.

-Original Message-
From: Michael Zaichenko [mailto:biozaiche...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:27 AM
To: Alison Carrico
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Plugin for enhanced find/change operations?

I had this idea some time ago. Even started to write a script. Never 
finished it. As far as I know there is no such plug-in. One day I'll sit 
down and finish my script. You will be the first one to receive it. Unless 
of course you find something better. Let me know then.
Michael


>From: "Alison Carrico" 
>To: 
>Subject: Plugin for enhanced find/change operations?
>Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:45:18 -0600
>
>Does anyone know of a plugin, script or workaround that will allow me to
>find/change text & character tags in one operation?
>
>
>
>I would like to apply a character tag to a particular character that is
>used in paragraphs of several different styles without changing the rest
>of the attributes. As far as I can tell, Frame only lets me change
>character attributes, not tags.
>
>
>
>Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
>
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Plugin for enhanced find/change operations?

I appreciate the response, but that's not quite the problem.  The em
dash character doesn't have a unique character tag. It's just tagged
with the paragraph format and any character tag applied to the text
around it (bold, emphasis, etc.).  I'm trying to isolate the em dash b/c
it presents a problem when the paragraph is reformatted with Chinese
fonts.  I haven't had the same problem with any other character.

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From:
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[mailto:framers-bounces+acarrico=adamsglobalization.com at lists.frameusers
.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Forbes
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:11 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: (no subject)

>I would like to apply a character tag to a particular character that is
>used in paragraphs of several different styles without changing the
rest
>of the attributes. As far as I can tell, Frame only lets me change
>character attributes, not tags.

If I understand, the problem is to change OldTag to NewTag, 
preserving all attributes. Does the following help?

Copying a particular character format (Command-Option-x on the Mac) 
and pasting it (Command-V) changes attributes and tags. But if OldTag 
and NewTag have the same attributes, all that happens when you paste 
is that the tagname changes. So manually set up one character with 
NewTag, same attribs as OldTag, and Command-OPtion-x it.

One could then FindNext through the document (Command-G), pasting 
(Command-V) NewTag over OldTag on each occurrence of the target 
character. So long as only occurrences of the target character have 
NewTag you can then affect them and only them by altering the 
attributes of NewTag, if desired. Automating this in Applescript 
would be trivial.

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FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word > InDesign help needed

From: "Steve Rickaby" 

> Still, useful to know about the better features of CS2: I'll upgrade just
as soon as another InD project comes in.


Footnotes were another big one they added with CS2. ID still doesn't come
close to Frame in terms of automation, but with every release they get a
little closer. Make sure you've got a newer computer, though. IDCS ran okay
on my aging Pentium III, but CS2 is so annoyingly slow that I've decided to
get something new.

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GRAY BOXES IN PDF

Hi there,
FM 7.1 Win XP SP2, Acrobat 7.0 Pitstop 7.0.
I'm making a PDF file from FM file that contains TIFF images (bitmap) RGB 
equivalent (Black and white). When converting to Gray in Acrobat with 
Pitstop a gray box appears around the art. Though it is possible to remove 
the box it is not optimum. Box is 98.8% Gray.
This problem didn't exist with Pitstop 6.
I'm using Acrobat Distiller 6.0. TIFF image is 600 dpi. Distiller setting is 
300 dpi if this matters.
Did anyone come across such a thing?
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Paste Special

2007-01-31 Thread John Pilla

I couldn't find it. 
Is there a shortcut key combination (FM 7.0)  for Paste Special? 
In MSWord, I created a shortcut key to Paste Special > Unformatted Text. 
Now that I am working in FM (again - finally, after 6 long years) - I find 
I need to copy a lot of content from previous versions of material in 
MSWord, into FM documents. 
Since I already have template and styles, and its not always from one 
document.  Using Paste Special is the most efficient. 
 
~ John ~ 
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Captions: dynamic or relative indentation for autonumbered paragraph format

Thanks - but that doesn't affect the figure caption. I think my original 
question got too convoluted (sorry). I'm trying to figure out how to get the 
paragraph for the figure caption to indent relative to the preceding 
paragraph...without having to manually change the settings in the paragraph 
designer every time a different caption indentation is needed?

  Rene

Art Campbell  wrote:
  Try setting the Anchored Frame to centered and the width of the text
column. Then set the left indent of the graphic to the indent of the
preceding tag.

Art

On 1/31/07, Rene Stephenson wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> (FM7.2 on WinXP) Our templates and style guide have the graphics and tables 
> left-aligned with captions. However, when the figure is an integrated graphic 
> in a procedure, it looks a bit odd to have the figure and caption all the way 
> over against the left edge of the text frame when the surrounding text is at 
> various levels of indentation?.25 inches for numbered steps and additional 
> .25 inches for substep or bullet levels, potentially .75 inches from the left 
> margin, if the graphic appears after options in an alpha substep, like a 
> short bulleted list under step 3 (b). (I hope that make sense. It would be so 
> much easier to just show you!)
>
> A couple of employers (and several years) ago, we had FM templates that used 
> a figure caption paragraph format, and if?when you inserted the anchored 
> frame?you followed some certain procedure (which of course I cannot find and 
> only vaguely remember) you could get the paragraph to align itself relative 
> to the level of indentation of the preceding paragraph. Long story short, 
> that company got sold, and the other writers have long been scattered to the 
> winds.
>
> So, now I'm trying to reinvent the wheel. I tried messing around with where I 
> insert the anchored frame and the various combinations of anchored frame 
> positioning and alignment, but I can't seem to get it working. Seems like we 
> had a shortcut keystroke set up, maybe with a .cfg file or something, but you 
> could manually make it happen even without using the shortcut. Does anyone on 
> this list have any ideas? Brainstorming would be helpful! :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Rene Stephenson
>
>
>
>
>
> Rene L. Stephenson
> eNovative Solutions, Inc.
> Business Phone: 678-513-0051
> Email: rinnie1 at yahoo.com
>
>
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GRAY BOXES IN PDF

Thanks Dov,
I noticed this instability. Don't know if I should switch back to 6.0.
On Global conversion in 7. I'll try this one. Might solve my problem.
Michael


>From: "Dov Isaacs" 
>To: "Michael Zaichenko" ,
>
>Subject: RE: GRAY BOXES IN PDF
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:34:41 -0800
>
>Given that the only variable appears to be Pitstop 6
>versus Pitstop 7, maybe you should contact Enfocus'
>tech support or post on their user forums.
>
>(FWIW, my experience is that Pitstop 7 is not quite
>as stable as Pitstop 6.)
>
>Note that Acrobat Pro (7 or 8) does contain an option
>for global color conversion (such as RGB to grayscale)
>on a page or document basis.
>
>   - Dov
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael Zaichenko
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:28 AM
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: GRAY BOXES IN PDF
> >
> > Hi there,
> > FM 7.1 Win XP SP2, Acrobat 7.0 Pitstop 7.0.
> > I'm making a PDF file from FM file that contains TIFF images
> > (bitmap) RGB equivalent (Black and white). When converting to
> > Gray in Acrobat with Pitstop a gray box appears around the
> > art. Though it is possible to remove the box it is not
> > optimum. Box is 98.8% Gray.
> > This problem didn't exist with Pitstop 6.
> > I'm using Acrobat Distiller 6.0. TIFF image is 600 dpi.
> > Distiller setting is 300 dpi if this matters.
> > Did anyone come across such a thing?
> > Michael

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GRAY BOXES IN PDF

Because 7.0 has some issues with line art smoothing and font embeding and 
display.
After some experiments I reverted to 6.
Michael


>From: "Fred Ridder" 
>To: biozaichenko at hotmail.com
>Subject: RE: GRAY BOXES IN PDF
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:35:08 -0500
>
>It may not relate to your problem, but if you are using
>Acrobat 7.0 why are you using Distiller 6.0???
>
>
>>From: "Michael Zaichenko" 
>>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>Subject: GRAY BOXES IN PDF
>>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:28:15 +0100
>>
>>Hi there,
>>FM 7.1 Win XP SP2, Acrobat 7.0 Pitstop 7.0.
>>I'm making a PDF file from FM file that contains TIFF images (bitmap) RGB 
>>equivalent (Black and white). When converting to Gray in Acrobat with 
>>Pitstop a gray box appears around the art. Though it is possible to remove 
>>the box it is not optimum. Box is 98.8% Gray.
>>This problem didn't exist with Pitstop 6.
>>I'm using Acrobat Distiller 6.0. TIFF image is 600 dpi. Distiller setting 
>>is 300 dpi if this matters.
>>Did anyone come across such a thing?
>>Michael
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Paste Special

2007-01-31 Thread Fred Ridder

My preferred approach is to change the default behavior when pasting
from the clipboard to be plain text. That way you only have to use Paste
Special when you want to do something else (e.g. pasting a Word table
as RTF).  You do this by modifying the ClipboardFormatPriorites item in
maker.ini. I change it from
ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF, TEXT
to
ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, TEXT, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF

My opionons only; I don't speak for Intel
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Intel
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>From: John Pilla 
>To: Framers at FrameUsers.com
>Subject: Paste Special
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:00:55 -0500
>
>I couldn't find it.
>Is there a shortcut key combination (FM 7.0)  for Paste Special?
>In MSWord, I created a shortcut key to Paste Special > Unformatted Text.
>Now that I am working in FM (again - finally, after 6 long years) - I find
>I need to copy a lot of content from previous versions of material in
>MSWord, into FM documents.
>Since I already have template and styles, and its not always from one
>document.  Using Paste Special is the most efficient.
>
>~ John ~
>Sr. Learning Specialist, Educational Services
>MRO Software (An IBM Company)
>Phn: +1.781.280.2003, Fax: +1.781.280.2201
>John.Pilla at us.ibm.com
>
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Paste Special

You probably have Quick Menu turned on instead of Complete.
Change the setting under the View menu, then look for Paste Special on
the Edit menu.
Shortcut is Esc, e,s,t

Art

On 1/31/07, John Pilla  wrote:
> I couldn't find it.
> Is there a shortcut key combination (FM 7.0)  for Paste Special?
> In MSWord, I created a shortcut key to Paste Special > Unformatted Text.
> Now that I am working in FM (again - finally, after 6 long years) - I find
> I need to copy a lot of content from previous versions of material in
> MSWord, into FM documents.
> Since I already have template and styles, and its not always from one
> document.  Using Paste Special is the most efficient.
> 
> ~ John ~
> Sr. Learning Specialist, Educational Services
> MRO Software (An IBM Company)
> Phn: +1.781.280.2003, Fax: +1.781.280.2201
> John.Pilla at us.ibm.com
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QA wants unique edition number in changed footers

Fugly = "effin' ugly"  :-) 

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: QA wants unique edition number in changed footers

At 08:37 -0800 31/1/07, Frank Stearns wrote:



>If you consider the latter option, beware of a FrameMaker 'gotcha' 
>I hit yesterday: if a text inset imports a named flow from one of 
>its own reference pages, the link to the reference flow breaks if you
rename the file.
>
>Grant Hogarth calls this a 'fugly': great word, although I have no 
>idea what it means - a manifestation of the Law of Unintended
Consequences, maybe.

--
Steve

character tags in cross reference text

If the options are redundant/replicated two options I can think of are:
1: A variable for each option, as variables can contain formatting
2: An inset for each option.

Or perhaps I'm missing a bit

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[mailto:framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters.com at lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of rebecca officer
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:45 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Caroline Tabach
Subject: RE: character tags in cross reference text

Hi Caroline

Thanks for that, but unfortunately - as Niels thought - it doesn't work
in this situation. We have text like this:

parameter1 option1 parameter2 parameter3 option3

where option1 and option3 need to be in italics. And the number of
parameters and options varies.

I have a nasty feeling I've seen other people post similar requests in
the dim dark past and get no solutions, but thought I'd see if anyone's
invented something clever.

Cheers, Rebecca


>>> "Caroline Tabach"  31/01/07 22:27 >>>
I think you would need to make a special cross reference style that you
use just to create the cross references to the commands.
Then  define for that cross reference style that the characters should
appear in italics (i.e. use for the cross reference the character tag
that is used for the commands)

Caroline Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer
Fax: +972 3 6474681
Email:   caroline at radcom.com 
www.radcom.comwww.protocols.com 

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+caroline=radcom@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of rebecca officer
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:56 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
Subject: character tags in cross reference text

Hi everyone

I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a
cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged text, and
preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?

We document commands, and some of them have italics in part of the
command syntax. In the associated step-by-step instructions, the most
reliable way to include the command syntax is to use cross-references.
But the italics get lost. :-(

Thanks!
Rebecca

QA wants unique edition number in changed footers

2007-01-31 Thread Daniel Emory

--- "Andersen, Verner Engell VEA"
 wrote:
> Have you any idea of how I can have the various
> edition numbers in footer of each chapter page and
> still have the possibility of importing all formats
> from all files without messing things up?
==
This kind of dilemma can be eliminated in structured
FM documents. The edition number, rev number, rev
date, effectivy, and similar info can be produced by
defining FrameMaker header/footer variables which pick
up the current value(s) of the applicable element
attributes. 

In mission-critical documents (aircraft maintenance
manuals, for instance) the process begins with the
technician picking a work card to perform a particular
maintenance task on a particular aircraft (the same
aircraft model can have many different configurations,
even within the same airline). The work card provides
all the information needed to assuredly select the
correct procedural instructions from the maintenance
manual (in the ATA methodology, the mechanic submits
the work card number to a database, which retrieves
the applicable procedure from the maintenance manual).

The work card information may even allow the mechanic
to examine the information in the footer of each page
of the retrieved procedure to verify that the footer
information (such as the page's effectivity, current
revision date, page block number, etc.) agrees with
what appears on the work card. All of this footer
informatin in the retrieved procedure is produced from
header/footer variables which pick up the current
values of the corresponding element attributes when
the procedure is delivered to the machanic.

As you can see, this approach, employing element
attributes which are converted by structured
FrameMaker to header/footer variables appearing in the
footer, can be used at any level of granularity, even
down to individual pages.

Captions: dynamic or relative indentation for autonumberedparagraph format

2007-01-31 Thread Steve Cavanaugh

I have a little different technique for figures here.  I have set up a
Table format with title below, the paragraph format having the word
"Figure" in the numbering scheme.  It is a one-row one-column table,
with no borders into which I place my graphic reference.  This allows me
to refer to it by name, format it with a paragraph format, and set its
width and placement using that paragraph format.  It works great because
the title is beholden to the table, and it flows with the rest of the
flow as I want it to.   


Steve Cavanaugh
Sr. Technical Writer
NAT Seattle Inc.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+scavanaugh=nat-seattle@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+scavanaugh=nat-seattle.com at lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Rene Stephenson
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:11 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: Captions: dynamic or relative indentation for
autonumberedparagraph format

Hi All,

  (FM7.2 on WinXP) Our templates and style guide have the graphics and
tables left-aligned with captions. However, when the figure is an
integrated graphic in a procedure, it looks a bit odd to have the figure
and caption all the way over against the left edge of the text frame
when the surrounding text is at various levels of indentation-.25 inches
for numbered steps and additional .25 inches for substep or bullet
levels, potentially .75 inches from the left margin, if the graphic
appears after options in an alpha substep, like a short bulleted list
under step 3 (b). (I hope that make sense. It would be so much easier to
just show you!)

  A couple of employers (and several years) ago, we had FM templates
that used a figure caption paragraph format, and if-when you inserted
the anchored frame-you followed some certain procedure (which of course
I cannot find and only vaguely remember) you could get the paragraph to
align itself relative to the level of indentation of the preceding
paragraph. Long story short, that company got sold, and the other
writers have long been scattered to the winds. 

  So, now I'm trying to reinvent the wheel. I tried messing around with
where I insert the anchored frame and the various combinations of
anchored frame positioning and alignment, but I can't seem to get it
working.  Seems like we had a shortcut keystroke set up, maybe with a
.cfg file or something, but you could manually make it happen even
without using the shortcut. Does anyone on this list have any ideas?
Brainstorming would be helpful!  :-)

  Thanks,
  Rene Stephenson





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eNovative Solutions, Inc.
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Email: rinnie1 at yahoo.com



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Captions: dynamic or relative indentation for autonumbered paragraph format

2007-01-31 Thread Stuart Rogers

Rene Stephenson wrote:
> Thanks - but that doesn't affect the figure caption. I think my
> original question got too convoluted (sorry). I'm trying to figure
> out how to get the paragraph for the figure caption to indent
> relative to the preceding paragraph...without having to manually
> change the settings in the paragraph designer every time a different
> caption indentation is needed?

I don't have as many possible indentation levels as you, but I simply 
created a series of pgf tags, for the graphic (gfGraphicFlush, 
gi1GraphicIndent1, gi2GraphicIndent2) and for the caption 
(cfCaptionFlush, ci1, ci2, etc.). I always put my graphics in a pgf of 
their own At Insertion Point, with the correct tag applied. The graphic 
pgf tags specify the corresponding caption tag as the Next Pgf.

HTH,

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character tags in cross reference text

2007-01-31 Thread Combs, Richard

rebecca officer wrote:

> I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a 
> cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged 
> text, and preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?
> 
> We document commands, and some of them have italics in part 
> of the command syntax. In the associated step-by-step 
> instructions, the most reliable way to include the command 
> syntax is to use cross-references.
> But the italics get lost. :-(

I vaguely recall someone describing a (somewhat difficult) solution for
this once, but don't have time to search for the post right now. IIRC,
it was based on the fact that xrefs retain char formats that use a
different font family. So, you need to create a copy of the font used
with a new name -- I think you need Fontographer or equivalent because
you have to change the internal name of the font. 

For instance, if you're using Courier for your commands, and applying
the Variable char tag to italicize the variables, you create a new font,
CourierCopy, and redefine the Variable char tag to be CourierCopy
Italic. FM will retain this in your xrefs. 

As a quick test, try it with two similar-looking fonts, such as the
PostScript font Courier and its TrueType cousin, Courier New -- if that
works and looks OK, maybe you're done! :-) 

HTH!
Richard

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