I don't buy that at all. DITA has major costs that are not offset
unless you have substantial opportunities for reuse and publish in
multiple languages.
There's no rational reason to spend money on low-value upgrades. Do a
cost-benefit analysis and know what you're paying for. At one old job
we
Adobe says it supports DocBook and various other things besides DITA:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemakerxmlauthor/features.html
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:24 AM, Bernard Gagne bernyga...@rogers.com wrote:
That's great as long as you use DITA. We use DocBook so FrameMaker XML
Author (which
Adobe also says it does not support DocBook:
http://www.adobe.com/ca/products/framemakerxmlauthor/faq.html (see
What is the difference ...)
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote:
Adobe says it supports DocBook and various other things besides DITA:
That's great as long as you use DITA. We use DocBook so FrameMaker XML Author
(which should more appropriately be called FrameMaker DITA Author) is useless.
Oxygen and XMetal have nothing to fear.
Berny Gagne
Senior Technical Writer
Siemens Canada
On Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:28:02 AM,
Hello Framers
It has been interesting and entertaining to read the various posts about
upgrades and pricing. Thanks to Syed for persisting with this. A few
statements that have been made raised my eyebrows somewhat:
"Three releases of FrameMaker in 18 months" - really? I must have missed
two
At 11:28 -0800 22/1/14, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:
The unhappy ones are probably the small users - like myself - who helped
FrameMaker become what it is and Adobe *clearly* does not care about us
anymore. That is unlike the founders of Frame Technology who I met many years
My guess is Adobe's goal in creating FrameMaker XML Author and pricing
it at $400 is to eliminate the cost savings incentive for structured
FrameMaker users to switch to Oxygen or XMetal instead of adding more
FM seats.
Also, at $400, I doubt if FrameMaker XML Author is going to be able to
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:57 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)
It may seem like contempt, but I think they're just clueless.
They have a lot of products
Maxwell Hoffman said:
For another viewpoint, Adobe was just named in the top 100 companies to work
for by Fortune. Our 2013 revenues considerably exceeded projections. So
somebody out there is happy with Adobe. ;-)
Perhaps. :) But, at what cost?
The unhappy ones are probably the small
At 07:49 -0800 22/1/14, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:
Financial success by large companies is not the only measure of success that
matters. It is why in my 35+ years of work, I have chosen to do many small
startups and try to only work for small companies. My current startup
Excellent point by Syed. Another point that is easy to miss in this
discussion: If all of Adobe's products had the level of quality control that
FrameMaker has (long-standing and new bugs, outdated and incomplete
documentation, etc.), Adobe certainly wouldn't be as successful as it is. In
my
Rick Quatro said:
Excellent point by Syed. Another point that is easy to miss in this
discussion: If all of Adobe's products had the level of quality control that
FrameMaker has (long-standing and new bugs, outdated and incomplete
documentation, etc.), Adobe certainly wouldn't be as
Maxwell Hoffman said:
> For another viewpoint, Adobe was just named in the top 100 companies to work
> for by Fortune. Our 2013 revenues considerably exceeded projections. So
> "somebody" out there is happy with Adobe. ;-)
Perhaps. :) But, at what cost?
The unhappy ones are probably the small
At 07:49 -0800 22/1/14, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:
>Financial success by large companies is not the only measure of success that
>matters. It is why in my 35+ years of work, I have chosen to do many small
>startups and try to only work for small companies. My current
Excellent point by Syed. Another point that is easy to miss in this
discussion: If all of Adobe's products had the level of quality control that
FrameMaker has (long-standing and new bugs, outdated and incomplete
documentation, etc.), Adobe certainly wouldn't be as successful as it is. In
my
Rick Quatro said:
> Excellent point by Syed. Another point that is easy to miss in this
> discussion: If all of Adobe's products had the level of quality control that
> FrameMaker has (long-standing and new bugs, outdated and incomplete
> documentation, etc.), Adobe certainly wouldn't be as
> Also, at $400, I doubt if FrameMaker XML Author is going to be able to
> compete with other XML editors out there. The idea is fantastic, but the cost
> needs to be around $100-150 a seat.
A list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_XML_editors. Many licensed
and free versions listed
rs-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:57 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)
It may seem like contempt, but I think they're just clueless.
They
I’m a TCS user, currently running TCS 3.5. I didn’t do the TCS 4.0 upgrade. The
cost of upgrading from v3.5 to v5 is $1200! Count me out.
I recently switched from Captivate to Camtasia because Adobe would have charged
me full price to upgrade just that component of the Technical Communications
Around here, contract technical writers are making enough money per hour
that the upgrade cost from to TCS 5 from TCS 3 or FM 10 would be less than
25 billable hours of work. (And some of these contractors are pretty limited
in how much they know about the tools they are using or even how to be
-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:11 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released
If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year
I don't understand your reasoning. I don't need upgrades to use
FrameMaker. It has been going downhill from version 9 on.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
Yeah, I would love to continue to use FrameMaker, but $399 for
To: Robert Lauriston; Framers
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not
make sense for me - even if I were continuing with FrameMaker.
It only makes _some_ sense for new users of FrameMaker, or folks still on
versions _prior_
I don't understand why you would stop using it for new docs. Most of
the software I've bought I've never upgraded.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
My comment was that at some time, I could simply stop upgrading and continue
It may seem like contempt, but I think they're just clueless.
They have a lot of products that have been mature for a long time, so
they have little to offer users to justify upgrading.
They have a lot of employees with stale skill sets and it's not a
company where someone with top skills would
I?m a TCS user, currently running TCS 3.5. I didn?t do the TCS 4.0 upgrade. The
cost of upgrading from v3.5 to v5 is $1200! Count me out.
I recently switched from Captivate to Camtasia because Adobe would have charged
me full price to upgrade just that component of the Technical Communications
It may seem like contempt, but I think they're just clueless.
They have a lot of products that have been mature for a long time, so
they have little to offer users to justify upgrading.
They have a lot of employees with stale skill sets and it's not a
company where someone with top skills would
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:22 PM
To: Robert Lauriston; Framers
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not
make sense for me - even if I were continuing with FrameMaker.
It only makes _some_ sense
Syed, I think your math is right on. I can't understand why anyone would
pay more for a subscription that will render their software useless the
moment they stop paying. If they fall on hard times, the perpetual
license lets them at least keep working with their software as long as
they can
After years with the same company, I'm just starting to re-invent myself
as a contractor. So far no one has asked for work in FrameMaker. If
they did, I'd have to consider my options. A thousand bucks is a big outlay.
On the other hand, I'd probably want it for no more than a month or two,
On 1/17/2014 1:31 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:
I've also bought every FM upgrade since version 6, except for v10,
which offered no features that I needed. I will be buying the FM 12
upgrade for sure.
Oops... there was a typo in there. I am using FM 10. It was FM 11 that
was the only version I
[mailto:framers-bounces at
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:22 PM
To: Robert Lauriston; Framers
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not
make sense f
Syed, I think your math is right on. I can't understand why anyone would
pay more for a subscription that will render their software useless the
moment they stop paying. If they fall on hard times, the perpetual
license lets them at least keep working with their software as long as
they can
After years with the same company, I'm just starting to re-invent myself
as a contractor. So far no one has asked for work in FrameMaker. If
they did, I'd have to consider my options. A thousand bucks is a big outlay.
On the other hand, I'd probably want it for no more than a month or two,
On 1/17/2014 1:31 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:
> I've also bought every FM upgrade since version 6, except for v10,
> which offered no features that I needed. I will be buying the FM 12
> upgrade for sure.
Oops... there was a typo in there. I am using FM 10. It was FM 11 that
was the only version I
ded webinars:
http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J
-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:11 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released
If you buy a subscript
)
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:22 PM
To: Robert Lauriston; Framers
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not
make sense for me - even if I were continuing with FrameMaker.
It only makes _some_ sense for new users o
/ sites.
Z
*From:*Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:05 AM
*To:* 'Scott Prentice'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
*Subject:* RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Correct. The cost is charged monthly -- with an annual commitment.
After 30 days, if you cancel, you
16, 2014 10:12 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Simon BUCH; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
I wanted to add some clarification to points raised in this discussion.
[1] Regarding how people behind firewalls can deal with monthly ping on
subscription, I got some
. Winfried wr...@tycoint.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 12 released
Message-ID:
f0bb99a33bce0b4fbff4a6483fec6a800e96b...@003fch1mpn2-001.003f.mgd2.msft.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Hi,
FrameMaker 12 is released
If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the
license is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.
If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the
license is perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support
agreement.
I don't see why anyone would abandon
: Matt Sullivan [mailto:sullivanma...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:54 PM
To: Keith Soltys
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released
@Keith, I am not aware of additional Word import functionality, although in the
past, filters have been updated
Robert Lauriston said:
If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the license
is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.
If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the license is
perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support agreement.
I
To: 'Robert Lauriston'; Framers
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Robert Lauriston said:
If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the license
is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.
If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the license is
perpetual
My comment was that at some time, I could simply stop upgrading and continue to
use that last version (as you had mentioned in a post last year) rather than
change all the older documents to a new tool.
We simply chose to stop at different versions, I suppose ... for me, it is
version 11, for
I don't understand why you would stop using it for new docs. Most of the
software I've bought I've never upgraded.
I guess you and I have a different philosophy about these, I suppose. :) I
prefer to stay up on software upgrades when I am using something extensively.
The thinking is to get
12:00 AM
To: Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at
lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Thanks for the links. Some links on the FAQ page for FM 12 are broken ...
notably one that takes you to the subscription pricing (including
adobe.com/support/contact <http://www.adobe.com/support/contact>.
>
> Of course, if the IT Administrator has to open a firewall -- even if
> temporarily -- rather than just calling to get activation done, I
> suspect it will not happen at /some/ sites.
>
> Z
>
> *From
y, January 16, 2014 10:12 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net); Simon BUCH; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
I wanted to add some clarification to points raised in this discussion.
[1] Regarding how people behind firewalls can deal with monthly ping on
subscription,
14 +
From: "Reng, Dr. Winfried" <wr...@tycoint.com>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com"
Subject: FrameMaker 12 released
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hi,
FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with in
If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the
license is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.
If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the
license is perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support
agreement.
I don't see why anyone would abandon
: Matt Sullivan [mailto:sullivanma...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:54 PM
To: Keith Soltys
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released
@Keith, I am not aware of additional Word import functionality, although in the
past, filters have been updated
s at
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:02 AM
To: Simon BUCH; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Simon Buch wrote:
> c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about "Licensing options":
Robert Lauriston said:
> If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the license
> is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.
> If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the license is
> perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support agreement.
> I
14 4:22 PM
To: 'Robert Lauriston'; Framers
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Robert Lauriston said:
> If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the license
> is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.
> If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 u
My comment was that at some time, I could simply stop upgrading and continue to
use that last version (as you had mentioned in a post last year) rather than
change all the older documents to a new tool.
We simply chose to stop at different versions, I suppose ... for me, it is
version 11, for
> I don't understand why you would stop using it for new docs. Most of the
> software I've bought I've never upgraded.
I guess you and I have a different philosophy about these, I suppose. :) I
prefer to stay up on software upgrades when I am using something extensively.
The thinking is to get
Around here, contract technical writers are making enough money per hour
that the upgrade cost from to TCS 5 from TCS 3 or FM 10 would be less than
25 billable hours of work. (And some of these contractors are pretty limited
in how much they know about the tools they are using or even how to be
I don't understand your reasoning. I don't need upgrades to use
FrameMaker. It has been going downhill from version 9 on.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:
> Yeah, I would love to continue to use FrameMaker, but $399 for upgrades is
> too high
I don't understand why you would stop using it for new docs. Most of
the software I've bought I've never upgraded.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:
> My comment was that at some time, I could simply stop upgrading and continue
> to use that
I've taken a quick look at this new release.
a. There's still no right-to-left language support.
b. There's still the requirement for activation via internet, and the
help pages reference material on web pages.
This makes the product impractical for customers on military/corporate
grade
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Simon BUCH
Sent: January-15-14 5:39 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released
I've taken a quick look at this new release.
a. There's still no right-to-left language support.
b. There's still the requirement for activation via
Thanks for the links, Winfried.
Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit
versions, or are they both strictly 32 bits? I've only been able to find
that FM9 was 32-bit only.
Thanks,
Lin
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wr...@tycoint.comwrote:
Hi,
Just 32-bit I believe. I haven't seen separate installer options and
when it installs it end up in the Program Files (x86) folder.
...scott
On 1/15/14 9:56 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
Thanks for the links, Winfried.
Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit
versions, or
32-bit only.
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:56 PM
To: Reng, Dr. Winfried
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released
Thanks for the links, Winfried
as full cost, so not really an upgrade!
Z
-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:57 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 12 released
Hi
: FrameMaker 12 released
Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a
while now
days for the subscription model version would get old
pretty quick, though! J
Z
*From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
Coatsworth
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
*To:* 'Framers'
*Subject:* RE: FrameMaker 12
Pretty sure that the military-industrial complex doesn't deal with
month-by-month subscriptions ;)
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) [mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: January-15-14 1:34 PM
To: Jeff Coatsworth; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Calling every 30 days
Simon Buch wrote:
? c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about Licensing options:
'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription licensing
options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing needs of our
customers vary and hence, we are offering both
month?
Z
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:46 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released
Although the subscription is labeled monthly, it's really
: FrameMaker 12 released
Pretty sure that the military-industrial complex doesn't deal with
month-by-month subscriptions ;)
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net)
[mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: January-15-14 1:34 PM
To: Jeff Coatsworth; 'Framers'
Subject: RE
just calling to get activation done, I suspect it will not happen
at some sites.
Z
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:05 AM
To: 'Scott Prentice'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Correct. The cost is charged monthly
-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:57 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 12 released
Hi,
FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links
@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Thanks for the links. Some links on the FAQ page for FM 12 are broken ...
notably one that takes you to the subscription pricing (including a
promotional pricing discount).
Also, sorry to beat
Hi,
FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with information. See below.
Best regards
Winfried
---
http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html
http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html
I've taken a quick look at this new release.
a. There's still no right-to-left language support.
b. There's still the requirement for activation via internet, and the
help pages reference material on web pages.
This makes the product impractical for customers on military/corporate
grade
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Simon BUCH
Sent: January-15-14 5:39 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released
I've taken a quick look at this new release.
a. There's still no right-to-left language support.
b. There's still the requirement for activation via
Thanks for the links, Winfried.
Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit
versions, or are they both strictly 32 bits? I've only been able to find
that FM9 was 32-bit only.
Thanks,
Lin
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote:
> Hi,
>
> FrameMaker 12
Just 32-bit I believe. I haven't seen separate installer options and
when it installs it end up in the "Program Files (x86)" folder.
...scott
On 1/15/14 9:56 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
> Thanks for the links, Winfried.
>
> Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit
>
32-bit only.
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:56 PM
To: Reng, Dr. Winfried
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released
Thanks for the links
lier versions: $999 ...
which is same as full cost, so not really an upgrade!
Z
-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:57 PM
To: framers at lists.frameus
: FrameMaker 12 released
Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a
while now).
-- next part
anuary 15, 2014 6:06 AM
> *To:* 'Framers'
> *Subject:* RE: FrameMaker 12 released
>
> Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and
> getting an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the
> same help material as PDF or AIRHelp on your loca
Pretty sure that the "military-industrial complex" doesn't deal with
month-by-month subscriptions ;>)
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
[mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: January-15-14 1:34 PM
To: Jeff Coatsworth; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Simon Buch wrote:
? c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about "Licensing options":
'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription licensing
options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing needs of our
customers vary and hence, we are offering
month?
Z
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:46 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released
Although the subscription is labeled "monthly&q
: FrameMaker 12 released
Pretty sure that the "military-industrial complex" doesn't deal with
month-by-month subscriptions ;>)
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net<mailto:Syed.Hosain at
aeris.net>) [mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: January-15-14 1:34 PM
To: Jeff C
to open a firewall - even if temporarily
- rather than just calling to get activation done, I suspect it will not happen
at some sites.
Z
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:05 AM
To: 'Scott Prentice'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: F
Hi,
FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with information. See below.
Best regards
Winfried
---
http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html
http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html
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