subject:"FrameMaker 12 released"

It may seem like contempt, but I think they're just clueless.

They have a lot of products that have been mature for a long time, so
they have little to offer users to justify upgrading.

They have a lot of employees with stale skill sets and it's not a
company where someone with top skills would want to work. I overheard
a conversation in a restaurant in which an Adobe employee was talking
about how it was a great place to be while she figured out what to do
next in her career because they were paying her $150K and she didn't
really have to do anything.

Maybe they're not even clueless. In 2013, per SEC filings, Adobe
insiders sold 9 million shares and bought 5,000.

On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, D L Reynolds  wrote:
> Adobe now seems contemptuous of its users. It’s all about what works for 
> them, users be damned. Very disappointing.
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Re: FrameMaker 12 released

I don't understand why you would stop using it for new docs. Most of
the software I've bought I've never upgraded.

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)  wrote:
> My comment was that at some time, I could simply stop upgrading and continue 
> to use that last version (as you had mentioned in a post last year) rather 
> than change all the older documents to a new tool.
>
> We simply chose to stop at different versions, I suppose ... for me, it is 
> version 11, for you, an earlier version, I guess.
>
> Z
>
>> I don't understand your reasoning. I don't need upgrades to use FrameMaker. 
>> It has been going downhill from version 9 on.
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
> (syed.hos...@aeris.net)  wrote:
>> Yeah, I would love to continue to use FrameMaker, but $399 for
>> upgrades is too high - the older upgrades at $199 were more easily 
>> justifiable. I will simply use FM 11 for maintaining my old documents (as 
>> Robert Lauriston as mentioned that I should do) and have already switched to 
>> LaTeX for all my new work. The price and upgrade "costs" of LaTeX - after a 
>> 2 month learning curve - are infinitely better for _my_ needs! :)
>>
>
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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-18 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann

>Here, I used 2 years as a duration model. Although it would probably be longer 
>and more expensive, since upgrades for FrameMaker don't 
>seem to occur every year now. Else I would have gotten at least one - sigh - 
>during my 2 years "license upgrade" contract that expired before 
>FM 12 was released.

>Syed,


Syed, FYI -- FrameMaker 12 is the third release to come out in approximately an 
18 month cycle. For those who are regular users of FrameMaker and who are 
considering the subscription, take into account that you get a new full point 
release at no extra charge, and with no SW maintenance fees. Overall, for many 
people it does come out more economical.



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Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:22 PM
To: Robert Lauriston; Framers
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released


I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not 
make sense for me - even if I were continuing with FrameMaker.

It only makes _some_ sense for new users of FrameMaker, or folks still on 
versions _prior_ to version 10, where the "upgrade" cost of $999 is the same as 
full price.

For example, after two years, the cost (24 * $29.99 = $719.76) is _much_ higher 
than the cost of a single upgrade to FM 12 from FM 11. And, after three years, 
it would be more than the list price of a full license.

Here, I used 2 years as a duration model. Although it would probably be longer 
and more expensive, since upgrades for FrameMaker don't seem to occur every 
year now. Else I would have gotten at least one - sigh - during my 2 years 
"license upgrade" contract that expired before FM 12 was released.

Z

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Re: FrameMaker 12 released

I don't understand your reasoning. I don't need upgrades to use
FrameMaker. It has been going downhill from version 9 on.

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)  wrote:
> Yeah, I would love to continue to use FrameMaker, but $399 for upgrades is 
> too high - the older upgrades at $199 were more easily justifiable. I will 
> simply use FM 11 for maintaining my old documents (as Robert Lauriston as 
> mentioned that I should do) and have already switched to LaTeX for all my new 
> work. The price and upgrade "costs" of LaTeX - after a 2 month learning curve 
> - are infinitely better for _my_ needs! :)
>
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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-18 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann

FYI -- some misunderstandings have occurred because the website uses the word 
"upgrade" next to FM7: it is full product price, because there is no real 
"upgrade" from SW that was released 12 years ago. Adobe did have an aggressive 
discount to upgrade from FM7 to FM11 over a year ago. We promoted it with a 
multi-part blog series that included videos to show FM7 methods vs. FM11. It 
was advertised as "your last chance" to upgrade.

Not trying to shake any trees. Just being realistic about the options available 
to any of us on any SW that we purchased more than 5 years ago.



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:11 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released

If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the license 
is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.

If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the license is 
perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support agreement.

I don't see why anyone would abandon FrameMaker just because the upgrades are a 
bad value.
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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-18 Thread Craig Ede

Around here, contract technical writers are making enough money per hour
that the upgrade cost from to TCS 5 from TCS 3 or FM 10 would be less than
25 billable hours of work. (And some of these contractors are pretty limited
in how much they know about the tools they are using or even how to be
productive producing documentation.) Over a two year product cycle that
works out to be 1.15% of their income, figuring full-time weeks over two
years.

Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

For a guy like me, who spends about half his time working on-site for
companies that provide me with Adobe tools they have licensed, it is
important to have up-to-date knowledge of the tools even if the company I'm
working for is using an older version. It certainly helps them if I can tell
them that some task is made quicker and easier for the cost of an upgrade.

I look forward to investigating Frame 12 (and the rest of Tech Suite 5)

BTW: I agree that the online license validation Adobe has is a pain in the
butt. On a recent trip to Mexico my Creative Suite 6 products wanted me, on
startup, to agree to the 30 day trial period. The suite has been on the same
laptop for a year and a half. What the hell triggered that? The change of
location? Ridiculous!

Craig

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FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-18 Thread D L Reynolds

I?m a TCS user, currently running TCS 3.5. I didn?t do the TCS 4.0 upgrade. The 
cost of upgrading from v3.5 to v5 is $1200! Count me out.

I recently switched from Captivate to Camtasia because Adobe would have charged 
me full price to upgrade just that component of the Technical Communications 
Suite ? as though I weren?t a registered Captivate user at all. 

Re: Creative Suite ? I, too, have stopped upgrading with CS6 and so have my 
corporate clients. Not at all interested in the cloud model.

I?ve been using Adobe products from the beginning: Photoshop 1, Illustrator 88. 
Still have those apps and the original slipcases (remember when software came 
in a nice slipcase ? with a manual no less!). But Adobe now seems contemptuous 
of its users. It?s all about what works for them, users be damned. Very 
disappointing.

-dr

Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

It may seem like contempt, but I think they're just clueless.

They have a lot of products that have been mature for a long time, so
they have little to offer users to justify upgrading.

They have a lot of employees with stale skill sets and it's not a
company where someone with top skills would want to work. I overheard
a conversation in a restaurant in which an Adobe employee was talking
about how it was a great place to be while she figured out what to do
next in her career because they were paying her $150K and she didn't
really have to do anything.

Maybe they're not even clueless. In 2013, per SEC filings, Adobe
insiders sold 9 million shares and bought 5,000.

On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, D L Reynolds  wrote:
> Adobe now seems contemptuous of its users. It?s all about what works for 
> them, users be damned. Very disappointing.

Re: FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-18 Thread D L Reynolds

I’m a TCS user, currently running TCS 3.5. I didn’t do the TCS 4.0 upgrade. The 
cost of upgrading from v3.5 to v5 is $1200! Count me out.

I recently switched from Captivate to Camtasia because Adobe would have charged 
me full price to upgrade just that component of the Technical Communications 
Suite — as though I weren’t a registered Captivate user at all. 

Re: Creative Suite — I, too, have stopped upgrading with CS6 and so have my 
corporate clients. Not at all interested in the cloud model.

I’ve been using Adobe products from the beginning: Photoshop 1, Illustrator 88. 
Still have those apps and the original slipcases (remember when software came 
in a nice slipcase — with a manual no less!). But Adobe now seems contemptuous 
of its users. It’s all about what works for them, users be damned. Very 
disappointing.

-dr
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On 1/17/2014 1:31 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:
> I've also bought every FM upgrade since version 6, except for v10, 
> which offered no features that I needed. I will be buying the FM 12 
> upgrade for sure.
Oops... there was a typo in there. I am using FM 10. It was FM 11 that 
was the only version I skipped, due to lack of new features desirable to me.

Mike Wickham

FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-17 Thread Jim Owens

After years with the same company, I'm just starting to re-invent myself 
as a contractor.  So far no one has asked for work in FrameMaker.  If 
they did, I'd have to consider my options. A thousand bucks is a big outlay.

On the other hand, I'd probably want it for no more than a month or two, 
so locking in for a year doesn't look appealing either.  And the point 
about having something that is mine and just keeps working is 
well-taken. So I would seriously consider an outright buy, high price 
notwithstanding, over a rental for a much longer term than I'd need, 
only to lose the investment.  (Why rent when you can buy, right?)

But given a choice, I'd just use other tools (OK, not Word). The book 
model of help delivery seems to be on the wane, and DITA is maturing 
nicely. . .


On 2014-01-17 14:31, Mike Wickham wrote:
> Syed, I think your math is right on. I can't understand why anyone 
> would pay more for a subscription that will render their software 
> useless the moment they stop paying. If they fall on hard times, the 
> perpetual license lets them at least keep working with their software 
> as long as they can keep a compatible operating system on an old 
> computer.
>
> If the issue is someone not being able to come up with the upgrade fee 
> all at once, and a monthly payment sounds more attractive, then they 
> should consider getting a short term bank loan (or put it on a credit 
> card) and pay the bank an even smaller monthly payment to buy the 
> perpetual license.
>
> And here's another thing, if a company thinks a monthly subscription 
> is a better to budget, they might also want to think about the resale 
> value of their company, should they ever want to sell it. A perpetual 
> license is an asset that can be resold and adds value to a company. A 
> subscription is future liability that reduces its value. If, as an 
> individual, they ever want to stop using FrameMaker, they can resell 
> their personal perpetual license and get some of their money back. Not 
> so with a subscription.
>
> I used to buy every upgrade of Creative Suite until it switched to the 
> Creative Cloud model. Now, CS6 is my last purchase in that line. I 
> won't pay big money for software that turns off completely if I stop 
> paying. I've also bought every FM upgrade since version 6, except for 
> v10, which offered no features that I needed. I will be buying the FM 
> 12 upgrade for sure. But I will be done buying if FM ever goes to the 
> subscription-only model.
>
> Those of you buying subscriptions are making it more and more likely 
> that the rest of us will lose the perpetual upgrade option in the near 
> future. If you look at how hard Adobe is trying to get people to buy 
> subscriptions, you will see that it is their desire to move FrameMaker 
> to that model. Let's not let them take away our choices.
>
> Mike
>
> On 1/17/2014 9:22 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:
>> Using an 18 month model, the software subscription for FrameMaker is: 
>> 18 * 29.99, which is $539.82.
>>
>> An upgrade is $399 for that same upgrade in that 18 month period, 
>> right? And then the license is perpetual (at least until Adobe 
>> abandons this model in the future entirely), so that version keep 
>> working once somebody stops upgrading (not so in the subscription 
>> case when cancelled).
>
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On 1/17/2014 1:31 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:
I've also bought every FM upgrade since version 6, except for v10, 
which offered no features that I needed. I will be buying the FM 12 
upgrade for sure.
Oops... there was a typo in there. I am using FM 10. It was FM 11 that 
was the only version I skipped, due to lack of new features desirable to me.


Mike Wickham


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Syed, I think your math is right on. I can't understand why anyone would 
pay more for a subscription that will render their software useless the 
moment they stop paying. If they fall on hard times, the perpetual 
license lets them at least keep working with their software as long as 
they can keep a compatible operating system on an old computer.

If the issue is someone not being able to come up with the upgrade fee 
all at once, and a monthly payment sounds more attractive, then they 
should consider getting a short term bank loan (or put it on a credit 
card) and pay the bank an even smaller monthly payment to buy the 
perpetual license.

And here's another thing, if a company thinks a monthly subscription is 
a better to budget, they might also want to think about the resale value 
of their company, should they ever want to sell it. A perpetual license 
is an asset that can be resold and adds value to a company. A 
subscription is future liability that reduces its value. If, as an 
individual, they ever want to stop using FrameMaker, they can resell 
their personal perpetual license and get some of their money back. Not 
so with a subscription.

I used to buy every upgrade of Creative Suite until it switched to the 
Creative Cloud model. Now, CS6 is my last purchase in that line. I won't 
pay big money for software that turns off completely if I stop paying. 
I've also bought every FM upgrade since version 6, except for v10, which 
offered no features that I needed. I will be buying the FM 12 upgrade 
for sure. But I will be done buying if FM ever goes to the 
subscription-only model.

Those of you buying subscriptions are making it more and more likely 
that the rest of us will lose the perpetual upgrade option in the near 
future. If you look at how hard Adobe is trying to get people to buy 
subscriptions, you will see that it is their desire to move FrameMaker 
to that model. Let's not let them take away our choices.

Mike

On 1/17/2014 9:22 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:
> Using an 18 month model, the software subscription for FrameMaker is: 18 * 
> 29.99, which is $539.82.
>
> An upgrade is $399 for that same upgrade in that 18 month period, right? And 
> then the license is perpetual (at least until Adobe abandons this model in 
> the future entirely), so that version keep working once somebody stops 
> upgrading (not so in the subscription case when cancelled).

Re: FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-17 Thread Jim Owens

After years with the same company, I'm just starting to re-invent myself 
as a contractor.  So far no one has asked for work in FrameMaker.  If 
they did, I'd have to consider my options. A thousand bucks is a big outlay.


On the other hand, I'd probably want it for no more than a month or two, 
so locking in for a year doesn't look appealing either.  And the point 
about having something that is mine and just keeps working is 
well-taken. So I would seriously consider an outright buy, high price 
notwithstanding, over a rental for a much longer term than I'd need, 
only to lose the investment.  (Why rent when you can buy, right?)


But given a choice, I'd just use other tools (OK, not Word). The book 
model of help delivery seems to be on the wane, and DITA is maturing 
nicely. . .



On 2014-01-17 14:31, Mike Wickham wrote:
Syed, I think your math is right on. I can't understand why anyone 
would pay more for a subscription that will render their software 
useless the moment they stop paying. If they fall on hard times, the 
perpetual license lets them at least keep working with their software 
as long as they can keep a compatible operating system on an old 
computer.


If the issue is someone not being able to come up with the upgrade fee 
all at once, and a monthly payment sounds more attractive, then they 
should consider getting a short term bank loan (or put it on a credit 
card) and pay the bank an even smaller monthly payment to buy the 
perpetual license.


And here's another thing, if a company thinks a monthly subscription 
is a better to budget, they might also want to think about the resale 
value of their company, should they ever want to sell it. A perpetual 
license is an asset that can be resold and adds value to a company. A 
subscription is future liability that reduces its value. If, as an 
individual, they ever want to stop using FrameMaker, they can resell 
their personal perpetual license and get some of their money back. Not 
so with a subscription.


I used to buy every upgrade of Creative Suite until it switched to the 
Creative Cloud model. Now, CS6 is my last purchase in that line. I 
won't pay big money for software that turns off completely if I stop 
paying. I've also bought every FM upgrade since version 6, except for 
v10, which offered no features that I needed. I will be buying the FM 
12 upgrade for sure. But I will be done buying if FM ever goes to the 
subscription-only model.


Those of you buying subscriptions are making it more and more likely 
that the rest of us will lose the perpetual upgrade option in the near 
future. If you look at how hard Adobe is trying to get people to buy 
subscriptions, you will see that it is their desire to move FrameMaker 
to that model. Let's not let them take away our choices.


Mike

On 1/17/2014 9:22 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:
Using an 18 month model, the software subscription for FrameMaker is: 
18 * 29.99, which is $539.82.


An upgrade is $399 for that same upgrade in that 18 month period, 
right? And then the license is perpetual (at least until Adobe 
abandons this model in the future entirely), so that version keep 
working once somebody stops upgrading (not so in the subscription 
case when cancelled).



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Re: FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-17 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Syed, I think your math is right on. I can't understand why anyone would 
pay more for a subscription that will render their software useless the 
moment they stop paying. If they fall on hard times, the perpetual 
license lets them at least keep working with their software as long as 
they can keep a compatible operating system on an old computer.


If the issue is someone not being able to come up with the upgrade fee 
all at once, and a monthly payment sounds more attractive, then they 
should consider getting a short term bank loan (or put it on a credit 
card) and pay the bank an even smaller monthly payment to buy the 
perpetual license.


And here's another thing, if a company thinks a monthly subscription is 
a better to budget, they might also want to think about the resale value 
of their company, should they ever want to sell it. A perpetual license 
is an asset that can be resold and adds value to a company. A 
subscription is future liability that reduces its value. If, as an 
individual, they ever want to stop using FrameMaker, they can resell 
their personal perpetual license and get some of their money back. Not 
so with a subscription.


I used to buy every upgrade of Creative Suite until it switched to the 
Creative Cloud model. Now, CS6 is my last purchase in that line. I won't 
pay big money for software that turns off completely if I stop paying. 
I've also bought every FM upgrade since version 6, except for v10, which 
offered no features that I needed. I will be buying the FM 12 upgrade 
for sure. But I will be done buying if FM ever goes to the 
subscription-only model.


Those of you buying subscriptions are making it more and more likely 
that the rest of us will lose the perpetual upgrade option in the near 
future. If you look at how hard Adobe is trying to get people to buy 
subscriptions, you will see that it is their desire to move FrameMaker 
to that model. Let's not let them take away our choices.


Mike

On 1/17/2014 9:22 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:

Using an 18 month model, the software subscription for FrameMaker is: 18 * 
29.99, which is $539.82.

An upgrade is $399 for that same upgrade in that 18 month period, right? And 
then the license is perpetual (at least until Adobe abandons this model in the 
future entirely), so that version keep working once somebody stops upgrading 
(not so in the subscription case when cancelled).



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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Maxwell Hoffman said:
> >Here, I used 2 years as a duration model. Although it would probably be 
> >longer and more expensive, since upgrades for FrameMaker don't seem to 
> >occur every year now. Else I would have gotten at least one - sigh - during 
> >my 2 years "license upgrade" contract that expired before FM 12 was released.

> Syed, FYI -- FrameMaker 12 is the third release to come out in approximately 
> an 18 month cycle. For those who are regular users of FrameMaker and who are 
> considering the subscription, take into account that you get a new full point 
> release at no extra charge, and with no SW maintenance fees. Overall, for 
> many people it does come out more economical.

Hmmm ... maybe for some people. For me, at least, the math does not work - but 
please do correct me if the calculations below are wrong!

Using an 18 month model, the software subscription for FrameMaker is: 18 * 
29.99, which is $539.82.

An upgrade is $399 for that same upgrade in that 18 month period, right? And 
then the license is perpetual (at least until Adobe abandons this model in the 
future entirely), so that version keep working once somebody stops upgrading 
(not so in the subscription case when cancelled).

And, for my single license case, since Adobe will not allow me to get the 
software upgrade license anyway, there is no extra SW maintenance fee anyway 
(although I would think that the volume license holders who are allowed to get 
the upgrade license maintenance, would not be paying the $399 fee to upgrade, 
so it is even lower than the subscription model fee for them).

My intuition says that Adobe will only get _new_ FrameMaker sign-ups, and from 
some people who use versions _prior_ to 10 and do not want to pay the full $999 
to "upgrade", for the subscription model.

So, to me, the cost for people currently on version 11 does not seem to be 
lower to switch - again, please correct me if my math is wrong here.

Z

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Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released


I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not 
make sense for me - even if I were continuing with FrameMaker.

It only makes _some_ sense for new users of FrameMaker, or folks still on 
versions _prior_ to version 10, where the "upgrade" cost of $999 is the same as 
full price.

For example, after two years, the cost (24 * $29.99 = $719.76) is _much_ higher 
than the cost of a single upgrade to FM 12 from FM 11. And, after three years, 
it would be more than the list price of a full license.

Here, I used 2 years as a duration model. Although it would probably be longer 
and more expensive, since upgrades for FrameMaker don't seem to occur every 
year now. Else I would have gotten at least one - sigh - during my 2 years 
"license upgrade" contract that expired before FM 12 was released.

Z

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FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-17 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Maxwell Hoffman said:
> >Here, I used 2 years as a duration model. Although it would probably be 
> >longer and more expensive, since upgrades for FrameMaker don't seem to 
> >occur every year now. Else I would have gotten at least one - sigh - during 
> >my 2 years "license upgrade" contract that expired before FM 12 was released.

> Syed, FYI -- FrameMaker 12 is the third release to come out in approximately 
> an 18 month cycle. For those who are regular users of FrameMaker and who are 
> considering the subscription, take into account that you get a new full point 
> release at no extra charge, and with no SW maintenance fees. Overall, for 
> many people it does come out more economical.

Hmmm ... maybe for some people. For me, at least, the math does not work - but 
please do correct me if the calculations below are wrong!

Using an 18 month model, the software subscription for FrameMaker is: 18 * 
29.99, which is $539.82.

An upgrade is $399 for that same upgrade in that 18 month period, right? And 
then the license is perpetual (at least until Adobe abandons this model in the 
future entirely), so that version keep working once somebody stops upgrading 
(not so in the subscription case when cancelled).

And, for my single license case, since Adobe will not allow me to get the 
software upgrade license anyway, there is no extra SW maintenance fee anyway 
(although I would think that the volume license holders who are allowed to get 
the upgrade license maintenance, would not be paying the $399 fee to upgrade, 
so it is even lower than the subscription model fee for them).

My intuition says that Adobe will only get _new_ FrameMaker sign-ups, and from 
some people who use versions _prior_ to 10 and do not want to pay the full $999 
to "upgrade", for the subscription model.

So, to me, the cost for people currently on version 11 does not seem to be 
lower to switch - again, please correct me if my math is wrong here.

Z

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Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:22 PM
To: Robert Lauriston; Framers
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released


I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not 
make sense for me - even if I were continuing with FrameMaker.

It only makes _some_ sense for new users of FrameMaker, or folks still on 
versions _prior_ to version 10, where the "upgrade" cost of $999 is the same as 
full price.

For example, after two years, the cost (24 * $29.99 = $719.76) is _much_ higher 
than the cost of a single upgrade to FM 12 from FM 11. And, after three years, 
it would be more than the list price of a full license.

Here, I used 2 years as a duration model. Although it would probably be longer 
and more expensive, since upgrades for FrameMaker don't seem to occur every 
year now. Else I would have gotten at least one - sigh - during my 2 years 
"license upgrade" contract that expired before FM 12 was released.

Z

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FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-17 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann

>Here, I used 2 years as a duration model. Although it would probably be longer 
>and more expensive, since upgrades for FrameMaker don't 
>seem to occur every year now. Else I would have gotten at least one - sigh - 
>during my 2 years "license upgrade" contract that expired before 
>FM 12 was released.

>Syed,


Syed, FYI -- FrameMaker 12 is the third release to come out in approximately an 
18 month cycle. For those who are regular users of FrameMaker and who are 
considering the subscription, take into account that you get a new full point 
release at no extra charge, and with no SW maintenance fees. Overall, for many 
people it does come out more economical.



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Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:22 PM
To: Robert Lauriston; Framers
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released


I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not 
make sense for me - even if I were continuing with FrameMaker.

It only makes _some_ sense for new users of FrameMaker, or folks still on 
versions _prior_ to version 10, where the "upgrade" cost of $999 is the same as 
full price.

For example, after two years, the cost (24 * $29.99 = $719.76) is _much_ higher 
than the cost of a single upgrade to FM 12 from FM 11. And, after three years, 
it would be more than the list price of a full license.

Here, I used 2 years as a duration model. Although it would probably be longer 
and more expensive, since upgrades for FrameMaker don't seem to occur every 
year now. Else I would have gotten at least one - sigh - during my 2 years 
"license upgrade" contract that expired before FM 12 was released.

Z

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FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-17 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann

FYI -- some misunderstandings have occurred because the website uses the word 
"upgrade" next to FM7: it is full product price, because there is no real 
"upgrade" from SW that was released 12 years ago. Adobe did have an aggressive 
discount to upgrade from FM7 to FM11 over a year ago. We promoted it with a 
multi-part blog series that included videos to show FM7 methods vs. FM11. It 
was advertised as "your last chance" to upgrade.

Not trying to shake any trees. Just being realistic about the options available 
to any of us on any SW that we purchased more than 5 years ago.



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Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released

If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the license 
is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.

If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the license is 
perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support agreement.

I don't see why anyone would abandon FrameMaker just because the upgrades are a 
bad value.
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2014-01-16 Thread Keith Soltys

It seems odd, considering that Word is pretty much the standard corporate word 
processor.

As it is, I will probably keep using WebWorks ePublisher in place of Frame's 
native output because I can use it to seamlessly integrate Word and FrameMaker 
docs in a WebWorks project.

Regards
Keith

From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:sullivanma...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:54 PM
To: Keith Soltys
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released

@Keith, I am not aware of additional Word import functionality, although in the 
past, filters have been updated to the latest Word versions at time of release. 
Improved Word import is not one of the "themes" of the release.

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On Jan 15, 2014, at 6:35 AM, Keith Soltys mailto:keith.soltys at tmx.com>> wrote:

>From a scan of their product pages and the few reviews out now, this looks 
>like a compelling upgrade. I passed on FM 11 because most of the new features 
>seemed oriented to structured authoring.  This release has the number one item 
>on my list of requested feature enhancements - regular expressions in search. 
>That alone would be worth the upgrade to me.

The improved conditional text pod, smart catalogs, and other GUI enhancements 
are also good.

I would like to know if they've improved the MS Word import. I didn't see any 
mention of that anywhere.

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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-16 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

> I don't understand why you would stop using it for new docs. Most of the 
> software I've bought I've never upgraded.

I guess you and I have a different philosophy about these, I suppose. :) I 
prefer to stay up on software upgrades when I am using something extensively. 
The thinking is to get bug fixes, new features, better performance, etc. For 
example, an update changed a 32-bit version to a 64-bit version of the video 
editing software I use ... allowed me to edit longer videos in HD without fewer 
problems.

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2014-01-16 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

> I don't understand why you would stop using it for new docs. Most of the 
> software I've bought I've never upgraded.

I guess you and I have a different philosophy about these, I suppose. :) I 
prefer to stay up on software upgrades when I am using something extensively. 
The thinking is to get bug fixes, new features, better performance, etc. For 
example, an update changed a 32-bit version to a 64-bit version of the video 
editing software I use ... allowed me to edit longer videos in HD without fewer 
problems.

Z

FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-16 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

I don't understand why you would stop using it for new docs. Most of
the software I've bought I've never upgraded.

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)  wrote:
> My comment was that at some time, I could simply stop upgrading and continue 
> to use that last version (as you had mentioned in a post last year) rather 
> than change all the older documents to a new tool.
>
> We simply chose to stop at different versions, I suppose ... for me, it is 
> version 11, for you, an earlier version, I guess.
>
> Z
>
>> I don't understand your reasoning. I don't need upgrades to use FrameMaker. 
>> It has been going downhill from version 9 on.
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
> (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)  wrote:
>> Yeah, I would love to continue to use FrameMaker, but $399 for
>> upgrades is too high - the older upgrades at $199 were more easily 
>> justifiable. I will simply use FM 11 for maintaining my old documents (as 
>> Robert Lauriston as mentioned that I should do) and have already switched to 
>> LaTeX for all my new work. The price and upgrade "costs" of LaTeX - after a 
>> 2 month learning curve - are infinitely better for _my_ needs! :)
>>
>

FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-16 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann

I wanted to add some clarification to points raised in this discussion.

[1] Regarding how people behind firewalls can deal with monthly ping on 
subscription, I got some solutions from an internal source at Adobe:

"In case a user has subscription, then they would need internet access and be 
online when they install and license the software and at least once every 30 
days thereafter.
However, Government or Defense customers would most likely be using Volume 
Licensing and hence, they could either use the offline activation mechanism 
(http://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/kb/acrobat-offline-activation.html) for 
activating the product on a machine that does not has internet. Alternatively, 
they could also create a pre-activated deployment package for these products on 
a machine that has internet access and then deploy them on the offline 
machines. The second option I provided above is usually preferred in scenarios 
where the user has multiple machines."

[2] Regarding the current upgrade costs and the 40% discount, and 
discontinuation of TCS month-to-month subscription, I just posted a blog that 
summarizes the issues and resources:

"Tech Comm Suite 5: Month-to-Month Subscription Discontinued, Only Annual 
Subscription Plan Available" =  http://adobe.ly/1fCaPTD

I hope you find this helpful.



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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:02 AM
To: Simon BUCH; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Simon Buch wrote:

>  c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about "Licensing options":
'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription licensing 
options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing needs of our 
customers vary and hence, we are offering both the options for you. There is 
also special upgrade pricing available as well as limited time promotional 
price for some customers. Please refer to the product homepages for exact 
pricing information (links below).'

Really?
To help summarize what I read ... as far as I can tell from the various pages 
(I am only showing the US costs).

The promotional pricing is for the subscription model of TCS 5:


1.  Subscription of TCS 5:$29.99 per month for the 
first year (at a discount of 40%) - goes up after 1 year.

For licensees with both FM 9 and Robohelp 8 (as I read it), there is a 
promotion discount to the full license price for each product (separately, as I 
read it):


1.  FM 12 $ 599 (at a 
discount of 40%)

2.  Robohelp 11 $ 599 (at a discount of 
40%)

Presumably, each license cost above is separate(?) And, there is fine print 
that I am not sure how it would be applied: this promotion is "only available 
to eligible commercial and volume licensing customers worldwide" and "eligible 
retain commercial customers who purchase directly from the Adobe.com Store".

What is the definition of "commercial" in this context? Are free-lance writers 
who use FrameMaker and Robohelp not eligible?

For the new subscription model of FM 12, there is no discount:


1.  Subscription of FM 12:   $29.99 per month.
For perpetual license upgrades to FM, there is no discount:

1.  From FM 11 to FM 12:$ 399

2.  From FM 11 to TCS 5: $ 1199

3.  From FM 10 to FM 12:$ 599

4.  From FM 10 to TCS 5: $ 1199

5.  From FM 7.x, 8, 9 to FM 12:  $ 999 (no discount from list price)

6.  From FM 7.x, 8, 9 to TCS 5:   $ 1199

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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

My comment was that at some time, I could simply stop upgrading and continue to 
use that last version (as you had mentioned in a post last year) rather than 
change all the older documents to a new tool.

We simply chose to stop at different versions, I suppose ... for me, it is 
version 11, for you, an earlier version, I guess.

Z

> I don't understand your reasoning. I don't need upgrades to use FrameMaker. 
> It has been going downhill from version 9 on.

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)  wrote:
> Yeah, I would love to continue to use FrameMaker, but $399 for 
> upgrades is too high - the older upgrades at $199 were more easily 
> justifiable. I will simply use FM 11 for maintaining my old documents (as 
> Robert Lauriston as mentioned that I should do) and have already switched to 
> LaTeX for all my new work. The price and upgrade "costs" of LaTeX - after a 2 
> month learning curve - are infinitely better for _my_ needs! :)
>

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2014-01-16 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

My comment was that at some time, I could simply stop upgrading and continue to 
use that last version (as you had mentioned in a post last year) rather than 
change all the older documents to a new tool.

We simply chose to stop at different versions, I suppose ... for me, it is 
version 11, for you, an earlier version, I guess.

Z

> I don't understand your reasoning. I don't need upgrades to use FrameMaker. 
> It has been going downhill from version 9 on.

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)  wrote:
> Yeah, I would love to continue to use FrameMaker, but $399 for 
> upgrades is too high - the older upgrades at $199 were more easily 
> justifiable. I will simply use FM 11 for maintaining my old documents (as 
> Robert Lauriston as mentioned that I should do) and have already switched to 
> LaTeX for all my new work. The price and upgrade "costs" of LaTeX - after a 2 
> month learning curve - are infinitely better for _my_ needs! :)
>

FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-16 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

I don't understand your reasoning. I don't need upgrades to use
FrameMaker. It has been going downhill from version 9 on.

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)  wrote:
> Yeah, I would love to continue to use FrameMaker, but $399 for upgrades is 
> too high - the older upgrades at $199 were more easily justifiable. I will 
> simply use FM 11 for maintaining my old documents (as Robert Lauriston as 
> mentioned that I should do) and have already switched to LaTeX for all my new 
> work. The price and upgrade "costs" of LaTeX - after a 2 month learning curve 
> - are infinitely better for _my_ needs! :)
>

RE: FrameMaker 12 released

A correction (and apology to Adobe and you all) for an error below - thanks to 
Matt Sullivan for pointing it out!

Actually, I _did_ get one FM update from the license upgrade program that was 
in force at the time. According to my expense report info, I paid for the 2 
year Adobe license upgrade program in May of 2011 and then bought the version 
10 upgrade in June 2011 since it was already released. I received the FM 11 
license update probably in August of 2012 (not sure of the exact date) when it 
was released.

In May of 2013, the 2 year upgrade program expired and I was not able to renew 
it last year (as mentioned in my posts prior to that time) since a single 
license use was no longer eligible for this program when I went to inquire 
about it.

Also, as I have mentioned below but will re-iterate, that the upgrade or 
subscription pricing may make sense for some people, but it does not for _my_ 
specific needs anymore.

Yeah, I would love to continue to use FrameMaker, but $399 for upgrades is too 
high - the older upgrades at $199 were more easily justifiable. I will simply 
use FM 11 for maintaining my old documents (as Robert Lauriston as mentioned 
that I should do) and have already switched to LaTeX for all my new work. The 
price and upgrade "costs" of LaTeX - after a 2 month learning curve - are 
infinitely better for _my_ needs! :)

Z

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From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:22 PM
To: 'Robert Lauriston'; Framers
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Robert Lauriston said:
> If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the license 
> is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.

> If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the license is 
> perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support agreement.

> I don't see why anyone would abandon FrameMaker just because the upgrades are 
> a bad value.

I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not 
make sense for me - even if I were continuing with FrameMaker.

It only makes _some_ sense for new users of FrameMaker, or folks still on 
versions _prior_ to version 10, where the "upgrade" cost of $999 is the same as 
full price.

For example, after two years, the cost (24 * $29.99 = $719.76) is _much_ higher 
than the cost of a single upgrade to FM 12 from FM 11. And, after three years, 
it would be more than the list price of a full license.

Here, I used 2 years as a duration model. Although it would probably be longer 
and more expensive, since upgrades for FrameMaker don't seem to occur every 
year now. Else I would have gotten at least one - sigh - during my 2 years 
"license upgrade" contract that expired before FM 12 was released.

Z

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FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-16 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

A correction (and apology to Adobe and you all) for an error below - thanks to 
Matt Sullivan for pointing it out!

Actually, I _did_ get one FM update from the license upgrade program that was 
in force at the time. According to my expense report info, I paid for the 2 
year Adobe license upgrade program in May of 2011 and then bought the version 
10 upgrade in June 2011 since it was already released. I received the FM 11 
license update probably in August of 2012 (not sure of the exact date) when it 
was released.

In May of 2013, the 2 year upgrade program expired and I was not able to renew 
it last year (as mentioned in my posts prior to that time) since a single 
license use was no longer eligible for this program when I went to inquire 
about it.

Also, as I have mentioned below but will re-iterate, that the upgrade or 
subscription pricing may make sense for some people, but it does not for _my_ 
specific needs anymore.

Yeah, I would love to continue to use FrameMaker, but $399 for upgrades is too 
high - the older upgrades at $199 were more easily justifiable. I will simply 
use FM 11 for maintaining my old documents (as Robert Lauriston as mentioned 
that I should do) and have already switched to LaTeX for all my new work. The 
price and upgrade "costs" of LaTeX - after a 2 month learning curve - are 
infinitely better for _my_ needs! :)

Z

-Original Message-
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:22 PM
To: 'Robert Lauriston'; Framers
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Robert Lauriston said:
> If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the license 
> is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.

> If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the license is 
> perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support agreement.

> I don't see why anyone would abandon FrameMaker just because the upgrades are 
> a bad value.

I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not 
make sense for me - even if I were continuing with FrameMaker.

It only makes _some_ sense for new users of FrameMaker, or folks still on 
versions _prior_ to version 10, where the "upgrade" cost of $999 is the same as 
full price.

For example, after two years, the cost (24 * $29.99 = $719.76) is _much_ higher 
than the cost of a single upgrade to FM 12 from FM 11. And, after three years, 
it would be more than the list price of a full license.

Here, I used 2 years as a duration model. Although it would probably be longer 
and more expensive, since upgrades for FrameMaker don't seem to occur every 
year now. Else I would have gotten at least one - sigh - during my 2 years 
"license upgrade" contract that expired before FM 12 was released.

Z

RE: FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-16 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Robert Lauriston said:
> If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the license 
> is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.

> If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the license is 
> perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support agreement.

> I don't see why anyone would abandon FrameMaker just because the upgrades are 
> a bad value.

I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not 
make sense for me - even if I were continuing with FrameMaker.

It only makes _some_ sense for new users of FrameMaker, or folks still on 
versions _prior_ to version 10, where the "upgrade" cost of $999 is the same as 
full price.

For example, after two years, the cost (24 * $29.99 = $719.76) is _much_ higher 
than the cost of a single upgrade to FM 12 from FM 11. And, after three years, 
it would be more than the list price of a full license.

Here, I used 2 years as a duration model. Although it would probably be longer 
and more expensive, since upgrades for FrameMaker don't seem to occur every 
year now. Else I would have gotten at least one - sigh - during my 2 years 
"license upgrade" contract that expired before FM 12 was released.

Z

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FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-16 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Robert Lauriston said:
> If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the license 
> is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.

> If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the license is 
> perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support agreement.

> I don't see why anyone would abandon FrameMaker just because the upgrades are 
> a bad value.

I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not 
make sense for me - even if I were continuing with FrameMaker.

It only makes _some_ sense for new users of FrameMaker, or folks still on 
versions _prior_ to version 10, where the "upgrade" cost of $999 is the same as 
full price.

For example, after two years, the cost (24 * $29.99 = $719.76) is _much_ higher 
than the cost of a single upgrade to FM 12 from FM 11. And, after three years, 
it would be more than the list price of a full license.

Here, I used 2 years as a duration model. Although it would probably be longer 
and more expensive, since upgrades for FrameMaker don't seem to occur every 
year now. Else I would have gotten at least one - sigh - during my 2 years 
"license upgrade" contract that expired before FM 12 was released.

Z

FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-16 Thread Craig Ede

Around here, contract technical writers are making enough money per hour
that the upgrade cost from to TCS 5 from TCS 3 or FM 10 would be less than
25 billable hours of work. (And some of these contractors are pretty limited
in how much they know about the tools they are using or even how to be
productive producing documentation.) Over a two year product cycle that
works out to be 1.15% of their income, figuring full-time weeks over two
years.

Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

For a guy like me, who spends about half his time working on-site for
companies that provide me with Adobe tools they have licensed, it is
important to have up-to-date knowledge of the tools even if the company I'm
working for is using an older version. It certainly helps them if I can tell
them that some task is made quicker and easier for the cost of an upgrade.

I look forward to investigating Frame 12 (and the rest of Tech Suite 5)

BTW: I agree that the online license validation Adobe has is a pain in the
butt. On a recent trip to Mexico my Creative Suite 6 products wanted me, on
startup, to agree to the 30 day trial period. The suite has been on the same
laptop for a year and a half. What the hell triggered that? The change of
location? Ridiculous!

Craig

RE: FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-16 Thread Keith Soltys

It seems odd, considering that Word is pretty much the standard corporate word 
processor.

As it is, I will probably keep using WebWorks ePublisher in place of Frame's 
native output because I can use it to seamlessly integrate Word and FrameMaker 
docs in a WebWorks project.

Regards
Keith

From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:sullivanma...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:54 PM
To: Keith Soltys
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released

@Keith, I am not aware of additional Word import functionality, although in the 
past, filters have been updated to the latest Word versions at time of release. 
Improved Word import is not one of the "themes" of the release.

-Matt
Matt R. Sullivan
co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 
11<http://framemaker11book.com/>
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On Jan 15, 2014, at 6:35 AM, Keith Soltys 
mailto:keith.sol...@tmx.com>> wrote:

>From a scan of their product pages and the few reviews out now, this looks 
>like a compelling upgrade. I passed on FM 11 because most of the new features 
>seemed oriented to structured authoring.  This release has the number one item 
>on my list of requested feature enhancements - regular expressions in search. 
>That alone would be worth the upgrade to me.

The improved conditional text pod, smart catalogs, and other GUI enhancements 
are also good.

I would like to know if they've improved the MS Word import. I didn't see any 
mention of that anywhere.

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Re: FrameMaker 12 released

If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the
license is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.

If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the
license is perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support
agreement.

I don't see why anyone would abandon FrameMaker just because the
upgrades are a bad value.
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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-16 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann

I wanted to add some clarification to points raised in this discussion.

[1] Regarding how people behind firewalls can deal with monthly ping on 
subscription, I got some solutions from an internal source at Adobe:

"In case a user has subscription, then they would need internet access and be 
online when they install and license the software and at least once every 30 
days thereafter.
However, Government or Defense customers would most likely be using Volume 
Licensing and hence, they could either use the offline activation mechanism 
(http://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/kb/acrobat-offline-activation.html) for 
activating the product on a machine that does not has internet. Alternatively, 
they could also create a pre-activated deployment package for these products on 
a machine that has internet access and then deploy them on the offline 
machines. The second option I provided above is usually preferred in scenarios 
where the user has multiple machines."

[2] Regarding the current upgrade costs and the 40% discount, and 
discontinuation of TCS month-to-month subscription, I just posted a blog that 
summarizes the issues and resources:

"Tech Comm Suite 5: Month-to-Month Subscription Discontinued, Only Annual 
Subscription Plan Available" =  http://adobe.ly/1fCaPTD

I hope you find this helpful.



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(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:02 AM
To: Simon BUCH; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Simon Buch wrote:

>  c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about "Licensing options":
'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription licensing 
options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing needs of our 
customers vary and hence, we are offering both the options for you. There is 
also special upgrade pricing available as well as limited time promotional 
price for some customers. Please refer to the product homepages for exact 
pricing information (links below).'

Really?
To help summarize what I read ... as far as I can tell from the various pages 
(I am only showing the US costs).

The promotional pricing is for the subscription model of TCS 5:


1.  Subscription of TCS 5:$29.99 per month for the 
first year (at a discount of 40%) - goes up after 1 year.

For licensees with both FM 9 and Robohelp 8 (as I read it), there is a 
promotion discount to the full license price for each product (separately, as I 
read it):


1.  FM 12 $ 599 (at a 
discount of 40%)

2.  Robohelp 11 $ 599 (at a discount of 
40%)

Presumably, each license cost above is separate(?) And, there is fine print 
that I am not sure how it would be applied: this promotion is "only available 
to eligible commercial and volume licensing customers worldwide" and "eligible 
retain commercial customers who purchase directly from the Adobe.com Store".

What is the definition of "commercial" in this context? Are free-lance writers 
who use FrameMaker and Robohelp not eligible?

For the new subscription model of FM 12, there is no discount:


1.  Subscription of FM 12:   $29.99 per month.
For perpetual license upgrades to FM, there is no discount:

1.  From FM 11 to FM 12:$ 399

2.  From FM 11 to TCS 5: $ 1199

3.  From FM 10 to FM 12:$ 599

4.  From FM 10 to TCS 5: $ 1199

5.  From FM 7.x, 8, 9 to FM 12:  $ 999 (no discount from list price)

6.  From FM 7.x, 8, 9 to TCS 5:   $ 1199

Z
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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-16 Thread Davis, David

So one of the "enhancements" for TCS5 is that it's "cheaper" because it no 
longer includes Illustrator. Genius! :-D

(Of course, if you still need Illustrator, you'll now have to buy it 
separately, so it'll cost even more...) Ho hum

Message: 2
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:57:14 +
From: "Reng, Dr. Winfried" 
To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
Subject: FrameMaker 12 released
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi,

FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with information. See below.

Best regards

Winfried

---

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html

What's new in FrameMaker 12:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ 
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html

What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features 
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html

Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

Reviews:
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/

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FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-16 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the
license is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.

If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the
license is perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support
agreement.

I don't see why anyone would abandon FrameMaker just because the
upgrades are a bad value.

RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Thanks for the information, Maxwell.

I read through your blog info and have a question - although the answer may be 
academic for me (see paragraph below!) :)


1.  What happens after the first year is complete? Is it a "renewed every 
year for a year" contract?

2.  Does cancelling after the first year still incur a 50% payment for the 
remaining months of that second year?

And, one more favor (from my current soapbox - sorry). Please send a message to 
anybody at Adobe (if any) who cares to listen:


1.  The overly high upgrade pricing for FrameMaker has priced it out of the 
reach of some (many?) individuals and small businesses who cannot justify its 
high cost anymore. As a result I (a long-term user of FrameMaker, since 1988) 
am pretty much abandoning it for all my future work.

Regards,

Z

From: Maxwell Hoffmann [mailto:mhoff...@adobe.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:12 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Simon BUCH; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

I wanted to add some clarification to points raised in this discussion.

[1] Regarding how people behind firewalls can deal with monthly ping on 
subscription, I got some solutions from an internal source at Adobe:

"In case a user has subscription, then they would need internet access and be 
online when they install and license the software and at least once every 30 
days thereafter.
However, Government or Defense customers would most likely be using Volume 
Licensing and hence, they could either use the offline activation mechanism 
(http://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/kb/acrobat-offline-activation.html) for 
activating the product on a machine that does not has internet. Alternatively, 
they could also create a pre-activated deployment package for these products on 
a machine that has internet access and then deploy them on the offline 
machines. The second option I provided above is usually preferred in scenarios 
where the user has multiple machines."

[2] Regarding the current upgrade costs and the 40% discount, and 
discontinuation of TCS month-to-month subscription, I just posted a blog that 
summarizes the issues and resources:

"Tech Comm Suite 5: Month-to-Month Subscription Discontinued, Only Annual 
Subscription Plan Available" =  http://adobe.ly/1fCaPTD

I hope you find this helpful.



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From: 
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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net<mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net>)
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:02 AM
To: Simon BUCH; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Simon Buch wrote:

>  c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about "Licensing options":
'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription licensing 
options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing needs of our 
customers vary and hence, we are offering both the options for you. There is 
also special upgrade pricing available as well as limited time promotional 
price for some customers. Please refer to the product homepages for exact 
pricing information (links below).'

Really?
To help summarize what I read ... as far as I can tell from the various pages 
(I am only showing the US costs).

The promotional pricing is for the subscription model of TCS 5:


1.  Subscription of TCS 5:$29.99 per month for the 
first year (at a discount of 40%) - goes up after 1 year.

For licensees with both FM 9 and Robohelp 8 (as I read it), there is a 
promotion discount to the full license price for each product (separately, as I 
read it):


1.  FM 12 $ 599 (at a 
discount of 40%)

2.  Robohelp 11 $ 599 (at a discount of 
40%)

Presumably, each license cost above is separate(?) And, there is fine print 
that I am not sure how it would be applied: this promotion is "only available 
to eligible commercial and volume licensing customers worldwide" and "eligible 
retain commercial customers who purchase directly from the Adobe.com Store".

What is the definition of "commercial" in this context? Are free-lance writers 
who use FrameMaker and Robohelp not eligible?

For the new subscription model of FM 12, there is no discount:


1.  Subscription of FM 12:   $29.99 per month.
For perpetual license upgrades to FM, there is no discount:

1.

FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-16 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Thanks for the information, Maxwell.

I read through your blog info and have a question - although the answer may be 
academic for me (see paragraph below!) :)


1.  What happens after the first year is complete? Is it a "renewed every 
year for a year" contract?

2.  Does cancelling after the first year still incur a 50% payment for the 
remaining months of that second year?

And, one more favor (from my current soapbox - sorry). Please send a message to 
anybody at Adobe (if any) who cares to listen:


1.  The overly high upgrade pricing for FrameMaker has priced it out of the 
reach of some (many?) individuals and small businesses who cannot justify its 
high cost anymore. As a result I (a long-term user of FrameMaker, since 1988) 
am pretty much abandoning it for all my future work.

Regards,

Z

From: Maxwell Hoffmann [mailto:mhoff...@adobe.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:12 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net); Simon BUCH; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

I wanted to add some clarification to points raised in this discussion.

[1] Regarding how people behind firewalls can deal with monthly ping on 
subscription, I got some solutions from an internal source at Adobe:

"In case a user has subscription, then they would need internet access and be 
online when they install and license the software and at least once every 30 
days thereafter.
However, Government or Defense customers would most likely be using Volume 
Licensing and hence, they could either use the offline activation mechanism 
(http://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/kb/acrobat-offline-activation.html) for 
activating the product on a machine that does not has internet. Alternatively, 
they could also create a pre-activated deployment package for these products on 
a machine that has internet access and then deploy them on the offline 
machines. The second option I provided above is usually preferred in scenarios 
where the user has multiple machines."

[2] Regarding the current upgrade costs and the 40% discount, and 
discontinuation of TCS month-to-month subscription, I just posted a blog that 
summarizes the issues and resources:

"Tech Comm Suite 5: Month-to-Month Subscription Discontinued, Only Annual 
Subscription Plan Available" =  http://adobe.ly/1fCaPTD

I hope you find this helpful.



Maxwell Hoffmann |  Product  Evangelist  |  Adobe  |  p. 503.336.5952  |  c. 
503.805.3719  |  mhoffman at adobe.com<mailto:mhoffman at adobe.com>
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lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at 
aeris.net<mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net>)
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:02 AM
To: Simon BUCH; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Simon Buch wrote:

>  c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about "Licensing options":
'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription licensing 
options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing needs of our 
customers vary and hence, we are offering both the options for you. There is 
also special upgrade pricing available as well as limited time promotional 
price for some customers. Please refer to the product homepages for exact 
pricing information (links below).'

Really?
To help summarize what I read ... as far as I can tell from the various pages 
(I am only showing the US costs).

The promotional pricing is for the subscription model of TCS 5:


1.  Subscription of TCS 5:$29.99 per month for the 
first year (at a discount of 40%) - goes up after 1 year.

For licensees with both FM 9 and Robohelp 8 (as I read it), there is a 
promotion discount to the full license price for each product (separately, as I 
read it):


1.  FM 12 $ 599 (at a 
discount of 40%)

2.  Robohelp 11 $ 599 (at a discount of 
40%)

Presumably, each license cost above is separate(?) And, there is fine print 
that I am not sure how it would be applied: this promotion is "only available 
to eligible commercial and volume licensing customers worldwide" and "eligible 
retain commercial customers who purchase directly from the Adobe.com Store".

What is the definition of "commercial" in this context? Are free-lance writers 
who use FrameMaker and Robohelp not eligible?

For the new subscription model of FM 12, there is no discount:


1.  Subscription of FM 12:   $29.99 per month.
For perpetual license upgrades to FM, there

FrameMaker 12 released - activation via internet 'hack'

2014-01-16 Thread Simon BUCH

 From my previous experience with Adobe's "Activation via internet" 
feature, you [the software purchaser] can try contacting Adobe Technical 
support 

If you supply all your personal and purchase details [software order 
number], you will then be directed to download a 'hack' from the Adobe 
licensing portal, which after installation will prevent the software 
from calling home.


// Simon BUCH


On 15/01/2014 19:30, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:
>
> Ah! Apparently, activation over the phone /may/ no longer be an option 
> for FM 12 -- you have to have an Internet connection. Else you get to 
> return your product purchase, I suppose.
>
>
> This is from the FM 12 FAQ:
>
> *I didn't know I needed to have an Internet connection when I 
> purchased FrameMaker 12. Is there a way to activate without having an 
> Internet connection?* <http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html>
>
> No. Activation of FrameMaker 12 is required via the Internet. Each 
> machine with an application installed must connect to the Internet at 
> least once within 30 days of the first launch of your serialized 
> product to continue using the product.
>
> *I didn't know I needed to have an Internet connection when I 
> purchased Adobe FrameMaker 12. What is the return policy?* 
> <http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html>
>
> For details on Adobe return policies in your region, go to 
> /http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/153/tn_15327.html/.
>
> Although, they do also say this in the FAQ about calling by an "IT 
> Administrator" (my bolding below):
>
> *Can I choose not to activate Adobe FrameMaker 12?* 
> <http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html>
>
> Activation of Adobe FrameMaker 12 is required via the Internet to 
> continue use of the product. Activating your product helps protect 
> your computer and your environment by ensuring that you are using a 
> genuine Adobe product. Activating your product has other benefits. 
> Visit the activation page [ /http://adobe.com/product/activation/ 
> <http://www.adobe.com/products/activation/>] for more information. 
> *The machine with FrameMaker 12 installed must connect to the Internet 
> at least once within 30 days of the first launch of your serialized 
> product or the product stops working. If you work in a company that 
> has a firewall that prevents your system from connecting to the 
> Internet, have your IT administrator contact Customer Service*. The 
> phone numbers for Customer Service are available at 
> www.adobe.com/support/contact <http://www.adobe.com/support/contact>.
>
> Of course, if the IT Administrator has to open a firewall -- even if 
> temporarily -- rather than just calling to get activation done, I 
> suspect it will not happen at /some/ sites.
>
> Z
>
> *From:*Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:05 AM
> *To:* 'Scott Prentice'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* RE: FrameMaker 12 released
>
> Correct. The cost is charged monthly -- with an annual commitment. 
> After 30 days, if you cancel, you will be billed 50% of the remaining 
> contract obligation.
>
> What I meant was that the software checks activation every 30 days ... 
> presumably, without Internet access, you would have to call every month?
>
> Z
>
> *From:*framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> <mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com> 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott 
> Prentice
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:46 AM
> *To:* framers at lists.frameusers.com <mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> *Subject:* Re: FrameMaker 12 released
>
> Although the subscription is labeled "monthly", it's really a yearly 
> subscription. As far as I know you have to pay for an entire year .. 
> that's just the monthly cost if you break it down that way.
>
> ...scott
>
>   
>
> On 1/15/14 10:33 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net 
> <mailto:Syed.Hosain at aeris.net>) wrote:
>
> Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get
> old pretty quick, though! J
>
> Z
>
> *From:*framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> <mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com>
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
> Coatsworth
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
> *To:* 'Framers'
> *Subject:* RE: FrameMaker 12 released
>
> Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe
> and getting an activation from them. I

FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-16 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann

Dr. Reng,

Thank you for bringing our product launch to the group's attention. Both the 
product manager, Kapil Verma, and I have submitted product announcements and 
webinar details to the list, but it appears that they aren't visible yet. (I am 
awaiting my confirmation email.)

For those who would like information on the 40% off promotion for FrameMaker 9 
users, you may get full details at this website:
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/promotions.html
Please note that you can only take advantage of the 40% promotion from the 
webpage listed above.

Another alternative that may alleviate any frustrations with upgrade costs is 
to migrate to a FrameMaker 12 subscription. Although you commit to one year 
with this subscription, the monthly rate is only $29. Any updates (including 
major releases) automatically become available to you during your active 
subscription. In the long run, this is possibly the most economical choice. By 
the way, you may recall that with the last release (FrameMaker 11), only Tech 
Comm Suite 4 was available for subscription; not the point products.

I don't know if there has been discussion about FrameMaker XML Author 12 yet. 
This is a new product: a fully functional, end-to-end XML authoring solution 
that is fully compliant with DITA OT. It costs 40% of the price for a full 
perpetual FrameMaker 12 license and is only $19.99 per month for a year's 
subscription. Find out more at: 
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemakerxmlauthor.html

For those of you not yet familiar with the new product features, here are 3 new 
AdobeTV channels that give quick, mini video demos, and will quickly let you 
know about just a few of the areas with major improvements:

FrameMaker 12 Features: http://tv.adobe.com/show/framemaker-12-features
FrameMaker XML Author 12 Features: 
http://tv.adobe.com/show/framemaker-xml-author-12
FrameMaker Publishing Server 12 Features: 
http://tv.adobe.com/show/framemaker-publishing-server-12

Enjoy!



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-Original Message-

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at 
aeris.net<mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net>)

Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 12:00 AM

To: Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at 
lists.frameusers.com>

Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released



Thanks for the links. Some links on the FAQ page for FM 12 are broken ... 
notably one that takes you to the subscription pricing (including a 
"promotional" pricing discount).



Also, sorry to beat on this drum still, but the upgrade price of $399 from 
FrameMaker 11 is still too high to be justifiable (for *my* needs ... YMMV). 
Particularly after having spent many dollars on upgrading from version 9 to 10 
to 11 for no real benefit for my needs - these should all have been treated as 
bug fixes.



*And* my final two years of paying for license "upgrades" saw NO benefit at 
all, since there were no upgrades during that period (I paid for the FM 11 
upgrade separately!) ... I kinda feel like I should receive FrameMaker 12 
without any more "upgrade" payments, but I suspect this will not happen.



BTW, the upgrade price from FM 10 is $599. And from earlier versions: $999 ... 
which is same as full cost, so not really an upgrade!



Z



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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Reng, Dr. Winfried

Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:57 PM

To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>

Subject: FrameMaker 12 released



Hi,



FrameMaker 12 is released now.

There are many links with information. See below.



Best regards



Winfried

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FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-16 Thread Davis, David

So one of the "enhancements" for TCS5 is that it's "cheaper" because it no 
longer includes Illustrator. Genius! :-D

(Of course, if you still need Illustrator, you'll now have to buy it 
separately, so it'll cost even more...) Ho hum

Message: 2
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:57:14 +
From: "Reng, Dr. Winfried" 
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Subject: FrameMaker 12 released
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi,

FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with information. See below.

Best regards

Winfried

---

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html

What's new in FrameMaker 12:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ 
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html

What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features 
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html

Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

Reviews:
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/

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Re: FrameMaker 12 released - activation via internet 'hack'

2014-01-16 Thread Simon BUCH

From my previous experience with Adobe's "Activation via internet" 
feature, you [the software purchaser] can try contacting Adobe Technical 
support 


If you supply all your personal and purchase details [software order 
number], you will then be directed to download a 'hack' from the Adobe 
licensing portal, which after installation will prevent the software 
from calling home.



// Simon BUCH


On 15/01/2014 19:30, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:


Ah! Apparently, activation over the phone /may/ no longer be an option 
for FM 12 -- you have to have an Internet connection. Else you get to 
return your product purchase, I suppose.



This is from the FM 12 FAQ:

*I didn't know I needed to have an Internet connection when I 
purchased FrameMaker 12. Is there a way to activate without having an 
Internet connection?* <http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html>


No. Activation of FrameMaker 12 is required via the Internet. Each 
machine with an application installed must connect to the Internet at 
least once within 30 days of the first launch of your serialized 
product to continue using the product.


*I didn't know I needed to have an Internet connection when I 
purchased Adobe FrameMaker 12. What is the return policy?* 
<http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html>


For details on Adobe return policies in your region, go to 
/http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/153/tn_15327.html/.


Although, they do also say this in the FAQ about calling by an "IT 
Administrator" (my bolding below):


*Can I choose not to activate Adobe FrameMaker 12?* 
<http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html>


Activation of Adobe FrameMaker 12 is required via the Internet to 
continue use of the product. Activating your product helps protect 
your computer and your environment by ensuring that you are using a 
genuine Adobe product. Activating your product has other benefits. 
Visit the activation page [ /http://adobe.com/product/activation/ 
<http://www.adobe.com/products/activation/>] for more information. 
*The machine with FrameMaker 12 installed must connect to the Internet 
at least once within 30 days of the first launch of your serialized 
product or the product stops working. If you work in a company that 
has a firewall that prevents your system from connecting to the 
Internet, have your IT administrator contact Customer Service*. The 
phone numbers for Customer Service are available at 
www.adobe.com/support/contact <http://www.adobe.com/support/contact>.


Of course, if the IT Administrator has to open a firewall -- even if 
temporarily -- rather than just calling to get activation done, I 
suspect it will not happen at /some/ sites.


Z

*From:*Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:05 AM
*To:* 'Scott Prentice'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
*Subject:* RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Correct. The cost is charged monthly -- with an annual commitment. 
After 30 days, if you cancel, you will be billed 50% of the remaining 
contract obligation.


What I meant was that the software checks activation every 30 days ... 
presumably, without Internet access, you would have to call every month?


Z

*From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com> 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott 
Prentice

*Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:46 AM
*To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com <mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
*Subject:* Re: FrameMaker 12 released

Although the subscription is labeled "monthly", it's really a yearly 
subscription. As far as I know you have to pay for an entire year .. 
that's just the monthly cost if you break it down that way.


...scott

  

On 1/15/14 10:33 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net 
<mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net>) wrote:


Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get
old pretty quick, though! J

Z

*From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
Coatsworth
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
*To:* 'Framers'
*Subject:* RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe
and getting an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can
access the same help material as PDF or AIRHelp on your local
firewalled install (same as it's been for a while now).



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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-15 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann

Dr. Reng,

Thank you for bringing our product launch to the group's attention. Both the 
product manager, Kapil Verma, and I have submitted product announcements and 
webinar details to the list, but it appears that they aren't visible yet. (I am 
awaiting my confirmation email.)

For those who would like information on the 40% off promotion for FrameMaker 9 
users, you may get full details at this website:
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/promotions.html
Please note that you can only take advantage of the 40% promotion from the 
webpage listed above.

Another alternative that may alleviate any frustrations with upgrade costs is 
to migrate to a FrameMaker 12 subscription. Although you commit to one year 
with this subscription, the monthly rate is only $29. Any updates (including 
major releases) automatically become available to you during your active 
subscription. In the long run, this is possibly the most economical choice. By 
the way, you may recall that with the last release (FrameMaker 11), only Tech 
Comm Suite 4 was available for subscription; not the point products.

I don't know if there has been discussion about FrameMaker XML Author 12 yet. 
This is a new product: a fully functional, end-to-end XML authoring solution 
that is fully compliant with DITA OT. It costs 40% of the price for a full 
perpetual FrameMaker 12 license and is only $19.99 per month for a year's 
subscription. Find out more at: 
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemakerxmlauthor.html

For those of you not yet familiar with the new product features, here are 3 new 
AdobeTV channels that give quick, mini video demos, and will quickly let you 
know about just a few of the areas with major improvements:

FrameMaker 12 Features: http://tv.adobe.com/show/framemaker-12-features
FrameMaker XML Author 12 Features: 
http://tv.adobe.com/show/framemaker-xml-author-12
FrameMaker Publishing Server 12 Features: 
http://tv.adobe.com/show/framemaker-publishing-server-12

Enjoy!



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From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net<mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net>)

Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 12:00 AM

To: Reng, Dr. Winfried; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>

Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released



Thanks for the links. Some links on the FAQ page for FM 12 are broken ... 
notably one that takes you to the subscription pricing (including a 
"promotional" pricing discount).



Also, sorry to beat on this drum still, but the upgrade price of $399 from 
FrameMaker 11 is still too high to be justifiable (for *my* needs ... YMMV). 
Particularly after having spent many dollars on upgrading from version 9 to 10 
to 11 for no real benefit for my needs - these should all have been treated as 
bug fixes.



*And* my final two years of paying for license "upgrades" saw NO benefit at 
all, since there were no upgrades during that period (I paid for the FM 11 
upgrade separately!) ... I kinda feel like I should receive FrameMaker 12 
without any more "upgrade" payments, but I suspect this will not happen.



BTW, the upgrade price from FM 10 is $599. And from earlier versions: $999 ... 
which is same as full cost, so not really an upgrade!



Z



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From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried

Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:57 PM

To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>

Subject: FrameMaker 12 released



Hi,



FrameMaker 12 is released now.

There are many links with information. See below.



Best regards



Winfried

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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-15 Thread Keith Soltys

From a scan of their product pages and the few reviews out now, this looks like 
a compelling upgrade. I passed on FM 11 because most of the new features seemed 
oriented to structured authoring.  This release has the number one item on my 
list of requested feature enhancements - regular expressions in search. That 
alone would be worth the upgrade to me.

The improved conditional text pod, smart catalogs, and other GUI enhancements 
are also good.

I would like to know if they've improved the MS Word import. I didn't see any 
mention of that anywhere.

Regards
Keith

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:57 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 12 released

Hi,

FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with information. See below.

Best regards

Winfried

---

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html

What's new in FrameMaker 12:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ 
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html

What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features 
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html

Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

Reviews:
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/

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FrameMaker 12 released

Pretty sure that the "military-industrial complex" doesn't deal with 
month-by-month subscriptions ;>)

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) 
[mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: January-15-14 1:34 PM
To: Jeff Coatsworth; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
while now).
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FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-15 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
while now).

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Simon BUCH
Sent: January-15-14 5:39 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released

I've taken a quick look at this new release.

a. There's still no right-to-left language support.

b. There's still the requirement for activation via internet, and the help 
pages reference material on web pages.
This makes the product impractical for customers on military/corporate grade 
networks with no internet access.

c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about "Licensing options":
'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription licensing 
options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing needs of our 
customers vary and hence, we are offering both the options for you. There is 
also special upgrade pricing available as well as limited time promotional 
price for some customers. Please refer to the product homepages for exact 
pricing information (links below).'

Really?

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FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-15 Thread Rick Quatro

32-bit only.

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:56 PM
To: Reng, Dr. Winfried
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released

Thanks for the links, Winfried.

Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit versions,
or are they both strictly 32 bits? I've only been able to find that FM9 was
32-bit only.

Thanks,

Lin

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried 
wrote:

Hi,

FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with information. See below.

Best regards

Winfried

---

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-h
ere.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html

What's new in FrameMaker 12:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/f
ramemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html

What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html

Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/techn
icalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

Reviews:
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/

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FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-15 Thread Lin Sims

Thanks for the links, Winfried.

Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit
versions, or are they both strictly 32 bits? I've only been able to find
that FM9 was 32-bit only.

Thanks,

Lin


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote:

> Hi,
>
> FrameMaker 12 is released now.
> There are many links with information. See below.
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
> ---
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html
>
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html
>
> What's new in FrameMaker 12:
> http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html
>
> Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
>
> wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF
>
> For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ
> http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html
>
> What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features
> http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html
>
> Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
>
> http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF
>
> Reviews:
> http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
> http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/
>
> 
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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Ah! Apparently, activation over the phone may no longer be an option for FM 12 
- you have to have an Internet connection. Else you get to return your product 
purchase, I suppose.

This is from the FM 12 FAQ:

I didn't know I needed to have an Internet connection when I purchased 
FrameMaker 12. Is there a way to activate without having an Internet 
connection?<http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html>
No. Activation of FrameMaker 12 is required via the Internet. Each machine with 
an application installed must connect to the Internet at least once within 30 
days of the first launch of your serialized product to continue using the 
product.

I didn't know I needed to have an Internet connection when I purchased Adobe 
FrameMaker 12. What is the return 
policy?<http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html>
For details on Adobe return policies in your region, go to 
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/153/tn_15327.html.

Although, they do also say this in the FAQ about calling by an "IT 
Administrator" (my bolding below):

Can I choose not to activate Adobe FrameMaker 
12?<http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html>
Activation of Adobe FrameMaker 12 is required via the Internet to continue use 
of the product. Activating your product helps protect your computer and your 
environment by ensuring that you are using a genuine Adobe product. Activating 
your product has other benefits. Visit the activation page [ 
http://adobe.com/product/activation<http://www.adobe.com/products/activation/>] 
for more information. The machine with FrameMaker 12 installed must connect to 
the Internet at least once within 30 days of the first launch of your 
serialized product or the product stops working. If you work in a company that 
has a firewall that prevents your system from connecting to the Internet, have 
your IT administrator contact Customer Service. The phone numbers for Customer 
Service are available at 
www.adobe.com/support/contact<http://www.adobe.com/support/contact>.

Of course, if the IT Administrator has to open a firewall - even if temporarily 
- rather than just calling to get activation done, I suspect it will not happen 
at some sites.

Z

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:05 AM
To: 'Scott Prentice'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Correct. The cost is charged monthly - with an annual commitment. After 30 
days, if you cancel, you will be billed 50% of the remaining contract 
obligation.

What I meant was that the software checks activation every 30 days ... 
presumably, without Internet access, you would have to call every month?

Z

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:46 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released

Although the subscription is labeled "monthly", it's really a yearly 
subscription. As far as I know you have to pay for an entire year .. that's 
just the monthly cost if you break it down that way.

...scott


On 1/15/14 10:33 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net<mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net>) wrote:
Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
while now).


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FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-15 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Ah! Apparently, activation over the phone may no longer be an option for FM 12 
- you have to have an Internet connection. Else you get to return your product 
purchase, I suppose.

This is from the FM 12 FAQ:

I didn't know I needed to have an Internet connection when I purchased 
FrameMaker 12. Is there a way to activate without having an Internet 
connection?<http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html>
No. Activation of FrameMaker 12 is required via the Internet. Each machine with 
an application installed must connect to the Internet at least once within 30 
days of the first launch of your serialized product to continue using the 
product.

I didn't know I needed to have an Internet connection when I purchased Adobe 
FrameMaker 12. What is the return 
policy?<http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html>
For details on Adobe return policies in your region, go to 
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/153/tn_15327.html.

Although, they do also say this in the FAQ about calling by an "IT 
Administrator" (my bolding below):

Can I choose not to activate Adobe FrameMaker 
12?<http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html>
Activation of Adobe FrameMaker 12 is required via the Internet to continue use 
of the product. Activating your product helps protect your computer and your 
environment by ensuring that you are using a genuine Adobe product. Activating 
your product has other benefits. Visit the activation page [ 
http://adobe.com/product/activation<http://www.adobe.com/products/activation/>] 
for more information. The machine with FrameMaker 12 installed must connect to 
the Internet at least once within 30 days of the first launch of your 
serialized product or the product stops working. If you work in a company that 
has a firewall that prevents your system from connecting to the Internet, have 
your IT administrator contact Customer Service. The phone numbers for Customer 
Service are available at 
www.adobe.com/support/contact<http://www.adobe.com/support/contact>.

Of course, if the IT Administrator has to open a firewall - even if temporarily 
- rather than just calling to get activation done, I suspect it will not happen 
at some sites.

Z

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:05 AM
To: 'Scott Prentice'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Correct. The cost is charged monthly - with an annual commitment. After 30 
days, if you cancel, you will be billed 50% of the remaining contract 
obligation.

What I meant was that the software checks activation every 30 days ... 
presumably, without Internet access, you would have to call every month?

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:46 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released

Although the subscription is labeled "monthly", it's really a yearly 
subscription. As far as I know you have to pay for an entire year .. that's 
just the monthly cost if you break it down that way.

...scott


On 1/15/14 10:33 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at 
aeris.net<mailto:Syed.Hosain at aeris.net>) wrote:
Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
while now).


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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-15 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Yeah! :) No internet access allowed for them, so they would have to get the 
perpetual licenses ...

Z

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:51 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Pretty sure that the "military-industrial complex" doesn't deal with 
month-by-month subscriptions ;>)

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net<mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net>) 
[mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: January-15-14 1:34 PM
To: Jeff Coatsworth; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
while now).
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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-15 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Correct. The cost is charged monthly - with an annual commitment. After 30 
days, if you cancel, you will be billed 50% of the remaining contract 
obligation.

What I meant was that the software checks activation every 30 days ... 
presumably, without Internet access, you would have to call every month?

Z

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:46 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released

Although the subscription is labeled "monthly", it's really a yearly 
subscription. As far as I know you have to pay for an entire year .. that's 
just the monthly cost if you break it down that way.

...scott



On 1/15/14 10:33 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net<mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net>) wrote:
Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
while now).



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2014-01-15 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Yeah! :) No internet access allowed for them, so they would have to get the 
perpetual licenses ...

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:51 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Pretty sure that the "military-industrial complex" doesn't deal with 
month-by-month subscriptions ;>)

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net<mailto:Syed.Hosain at 
aeris.net>) [mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: January-15-14 1:34 PM
To: Jeff Coatsworth; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
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FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-15 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Correct. The cost is charged monthly - with an annual commitment. After 30 
days, if you cancel, you will be billed 50% of the remaining contract 
obligation.

What I meant was that the software checks activation every 30 days ... 
presumably, without Internet access, you would have to call every month?

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:46 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released

Although the subscription is labeled "monthly", it's really a yearly 
subscription. As far as I know you have to pay for an entire year .. that's 
just the monthly cost if you break it down that way.

...scott



On 1/15/14 10:33 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at 
aeris.net<mailto:Syed.Hosain at aeris.net>) wrote:
Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
while now).



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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-15 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Simon Buch wrote:

?  c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about "Licensing options":
'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription licensing 
options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing needs of our 
customers vary and hence, we are offering both the options for you. There is 
also special upgrade pricing available as well as limited time promotional 
price for some customers. Please refer to the product homepages for exact 
pricing information (links below).'

Really?
To help summarize what I read ... as far as I can tell from the various pages 
(I am only showing the US costs).

The promotional pricing is for the subscription model of TCS 5:


1.  Subscription of TCS 5:$29.99 per month for the 
first year (at a discount of 40%) - goes up after 1 year.

For licensees with both FM 9 and Robohelp 8 (as I read it), there is a 
promotion discount to the full license price for each product (separately, as I 
read it):


1.  FM 12 $ 599 (at a 
discount of 40%)

2.  Robohelp 11 $ 599 (at a discount of 
40%)

Presumably, each license cost above is separate(?) And, there is fine print 
that I am not sure how it would be applied: this promotion is "only available 
to eligible commercial and volume licensing customers worldwide" and "eligible 
retain commercial customers who purchase directly from the Adobe.com Store".

What is the definition of "commercial" in this context? Are free-lance writers 
who use FrameMaker and Robohelp not eligible?

For the new subscription model of FM 12, there is no discount:


1.  Subscription of FM 12:   $29.99 per month.
For perpetual license upgrades to FM, there is no discount:

1.  From FM 11 to FM 12:$ 399

2.  From FM 11 to TCS 5: $ 1199

3.  From FM 10 to FM 12:$ 599

4.  From FM 10 to TCS 5: $ 1199

5.  From FM 7.x, 8, 9 to FM 12:  $ 999 (no discount from list price)

6.  From FM 7.x, 8, 9 to TCS 5:   $ 1199

Z
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2014-01-15 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Simon Buch wrote:

?  c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about "Licensing options":
'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription licensing 
options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing needs of our 
customers vary and hence, we are offering both the options for you. There is 
also special upgrade pricing available as well as limited time promotional 
price for some customers. Please refer to the product homepages for exact 
pricing information (links below).'

Really?
To help summarize what I read ... as far as I can tell from the various pages 
(I am only showing the US costs).

The promotional pricing is for the subscription model of TCS 5:


1.  Subscription of TCS 5:$29.99 per month for the 
first year (at a discount of 40%) - goes up after 1 year.

For licensees with both FM 9 and Robohelp 8 (as I read it), there is a 
promotion discount to the full license price for each product (separately, as I 
read it):


1.  FM 12 $ 599 (at a 
discount of 40%)

2.  Robohelp 11 $ 599 (at a discount of 
40%)

Presumably, each license cost above is separate(?) And, there is fine print 
that I am not sure how it would be applied: this promotion is "only available 
to eligible commercial and volume licensing customers worldwide" and "eligible 
retain commercial customers who purchase directly from the Adobe.com Store".

What is the definition of "commercial" in this context? Are free-lance writers 
who use FrameMaker and Robohelp not eligible?

For the new subscription model of FM 12, there is no discount:


1.  Subscription of FM 12:   $29.99 per month.
For perpetual license upgrades to FM, there is no discount:

1.  From FM 11 to FM 12:$ 399

2.  From FM 11 to TCS 5: $ 1199

3.  From FM 10 to FM 12:$ 599

4.  From FM 10 to TCS 5: $ 1199

5.  From FM 7.x, 8, 9 to FM 12:  $ 999 (no discount from list price)

6.  From FM 7.x, 8, 9 to TCS 5:   $ 1199

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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Pretty sure that the "military-industrial complex" doesn't deal with 
month-by-month subscriptions ;>)

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) [mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: January-15-14 1:34 PM
To: Jeff Coatsworth; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

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framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
while now).
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Re: FrameMaker 12 released

Although the subscription is labeled "monthly", it's really a yearly 
subscription. As far as I know you have to pay for an entire year .. 
that's just the monthly cost if you break it down that way.


...scott

On 1/15/14 10:33 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:


Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old 
pretty quick, though! J


Z

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*To:* 'Framers'
*Subject:* RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and 
getting an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the 
same help material as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install 
(same as it's been for a while now).






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FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-15 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Although the subscription is labeled "monthly", it's really a yearly 
subscription. As far as I know you have to pay for an entire year .. 
that's just the monthly cost if you break it down that way.

...scott

On 1/15/14 10:33 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:
>
> Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old 
> pretty quick, though! J
>
> Z
>
> *From:*framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff 
> Coatsworth
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
> *To:* 'Framers'
> *Subject:* RE: FrameMaker 12 released
>
> Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and 
> getting an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the 
> same help material as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install 
> (same as it's been for a while now).
>
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FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-15 Thread Simon BUCH

I've taken a quick look at this new release.

a. There's still no right-to-left language support.

b. There's still the requirement for activation via internet, and the 
help pages reference material on web pages.
This makes the product impractical for customers on military/corporate 
grade networks with no internet access.

c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about "Licensing options":
 'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription 
licensing options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing 
needs of our customers vary and hence, we are offering both the options 
for you. There is also special upgrade pricing available as well as 
limited time promotional price for some customers. Please refer to the 
product homepages for exact pricing information (links below).'

Really?





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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

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Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
while now).
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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-15 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Thanks for the links. Some links on the FAQ page for FM 12 are broken ... 
notably one that takes you to the subscription pricing (including a 
"promotional" pricing discount).

Also, sorry to beat on this drum still, but the upgrade price of $399 from 
FrameMaker 11 is still too high to be justifiable (for *my* needs ... YMMV). 
Particularly after having spent many dollars on upgrading from version 9 to 10 
to 11 for no real benefit for my needs - these should all have been treated as 
bug fixes.

*And* my final two years of paying for license "upgrades" saw NO benefit at 
all, since there were no upgrades during that period (I paid for the FM 11 
upgrade separately!) ... I kinda feel like I should receive FrameMaker 12 
without any more "upgrade" payments, but I suspect this will not happen.

BTW, the upgrade price from FM 10 is $599. And from earlier versions: $999 ... 
which is same as full cost, so not really an upgrade!

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:57 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 12 released

Hi,

FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with information. See below.

Best regards

Winfried

---

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html

What's new in FrameMaker 12:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ 
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html

What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features 
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html

Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

Reviews:
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/



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FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-15 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

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Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
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FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-15 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Thanks for the links. Some links on the FAQ page for FM 12 are broken ... 
notably one that takes you to the subscription pricing (including a 
"promotional" pricing discount).

Also, sorry to beat on this drum still, but the upgrade price of $399 from 
FrameMaker 11 is still too high to be justifiable (for *my* needs ... YMMV). 
Particularly after having spent many dollars on upgrading from version 9 to 10 
to 11 for no real benefit for my needs - these should all have been treated as 
bug fixes.

*And* my final two years of paying for license "upgrades" saw NO benefit at 
all, since there were no upgrades during that period (I paid for the FM 11 
upgrade separately!) ... I kinda feel like I should receive FrameMaker 12 
without any more "upgrade" payments, but I suspect this will not happen.

BTW, the upgrade price from FM 10 is $599. And from earlier versions: $999 ... 
which is same as full cost, so not really an upgrade!

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:57 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 12 released

Hi,

FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with information. See below.

Best regards

Winfried

---

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html

What's new in FrameMaker 12:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ 
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html

What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features 
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html

Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

Reviews:
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/



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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-15 Thread Rick Quatro

32-bit only.

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:56 PM
To: Reng, Dr. Winfried
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released

Thanks for the links, Winfried.

Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit versions,
or are they both strictly 32 bits? I've only been able to find that FM9 was
32-bit only.

Thanks,

Lin

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried 
wrote:

Hi,

FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with information. See below.

Best regards

Winfried

---

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-h
ere.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html

What's new in FrameMaker 12:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/f
ramemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html

What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html

Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/techn
icalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

Reviews:
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/

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Re: FrameMaker 12 released

Just 32-bit I believe. I haven't seen separate installer options and
when it installs it end up in the "Program Files (x86)" folder.

...scott

On 1/15/14 9:56 AM, Lin Sims wrote:

Thanks for the links, Winfried.

Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit
versions, or are they both strictly 32 bits? I've only been able to
find that FM9 was 32-bit only.

Thanks,

Lin

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried > wrote:

Hi,

FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with information. See below.

Best regards

Winfried

---

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html

What's new in FrameMaker 12:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:

wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html

What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html

Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:

http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

Reviews:
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
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FrameMaker 12 released

Just 32-bit I believe. I haven't seen separate installer options and 
when it installs it end up in the "Program Files (x86)" folder.

...scott


On 1/15/14 9:56 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
> Thanks for the links, Winfried.
>
> Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit 
> versions, or are they both strictly 32 bits? I've only been able to 
> find that FM9 was 32-bit only.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lin
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried  > wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> FrameMaker 12 is released now.
> There are many links with information. See below.
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
> ---
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html
>
> 
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html
>
> What's new in FrameMaker 12:
> http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html
>
> Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
> 
> wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF
> 
> 
>
> For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ
> http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html
>
> What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features
> http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html
>
> Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
> 
> http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF
>
> Reviews:
> http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
> http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/
>
> 
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2014-01-15 Thread Lin Sims

Thanks for the links, Winfried.

Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit
versions, or are they both strictly 32 bits? I've only been able to find
that FM9 was 32-bit only.

Thanks,

Lin


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote:

> Hi,
>
> FrameMaker 12 is released now.
> There are many links with information. See below.
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
> ---
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html
>
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html
>
> What's new in FrameMaker 12:
> http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html
>
> Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
>
> wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF
>
> For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ
> http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html
>
> What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features
> http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html
>
> Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
>
> http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF
>
> Reviews:
> http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
> http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/
>
> 
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FrameMaker 12 released

2014-01-15 Thread Reng, Dr. Winfried

Hi,

FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with information. See below.

Best regards

Winfried

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http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html

What's new in FrameMaker 12:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html

What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html

Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

Reviews:
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/



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