John Stehura used his music (the
> theme "Tango" <https://dockstader.bandcamp.com/track/quatermass-tango>
> from the *Quatermass* LP) for the marvelous film *Cibernetik 5.3*.
> Best,
> Albert
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 7:04 PM Bernard Roddy wrote:
>
>
Hi Christopher:
Thank you for initiating this discussion topic. Albert Alcoz has provided a
document that is available without download. I am looking past the
introduction of Oskar Fischinger, where Rudolph Pfenninger's research is
taken up: "Eschewing aesthetic discourse entirely, Pfenninger
When Chrissie Iles posted, it struck me as a diminution of the cause one
might want to identify with, say a concern for Black film artists. But what
David at Lake Ivan posted restores the question of interest, as I would
like to see it. That question has to do with a conscience often belonging
to
Greetings, Michael.
There was ambiguity in my sentence regarding Pip. When I wrote that I think
"he" sees himself as doing philosophy, I am referring to Deleuze.
There is way too much to try to address in your post. But whenever you
introduce audiences, I think you are off track. Or, you are not
Thank you for your patience, everyone.
It occurred to me that architecture is another part of screen imagery in
need of theory. By that I mean the elaboration space for the screen.
It isn't really Deleuze who serves experimental animation. Deleuse is too
complicated. What is needed, I suggest,
ain it yourself?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> Michael Betancourt, Ph.D
> https://michaelbetancourt.com
> cell 305.562.9192
> https://www.amazon.com/Michael-Betancourt/e/B01H3QILT0/
> Sent from my phone
>
> On Aug 22, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Bernard Roddy wrote:
>
>
> proofing
proofing my post:
'It's as if the lab *protects* the writer from philosophy.'
'*Now*, all these tests [. . .]"
Bernie
On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 12:13 PM Bernard Roddy wrote:
> Hi Pip:
>
> The perceptual experiments you describe don't seem to me to be necessary.
> We alread
Hi Pip:
The perceptual experiments you describe don't seem to me to be necessary.
We already have the moving image of cinema. What I have noticed, however,
is that there is an attraction to the various lab studies. And this will be
of particular interest for "experimental" animation.
One of the
Well, the first volume of Deleuze's work is devoted to "the movement image."
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 5:22 PM Michael Betancourt <
hinterland.mov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Bernard,
>
> I have some questions before we get started.
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2020
n celluloid.
Michael Betancourt
Savannah, GA USA
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On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 2:41 PM Bernard Roddy https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks>> wrote:
>* Eric Thiese is prepared to read about cartoons. That wasn't what attracted
*>*
Eric Thiese is prepared to read about cartoons. That wasn't what attracted
me to animation. Although I enjoyed making line drawings in order to shoot
them in series, of exploring timing tests, and of implementing cut-out as a
visual means of theoriing about other things, it was Fischinger and
I'm writing on a phone - tap tap. But I wanted to say that animation has
always seemed to me to be a poor search term. Tap tap. Let's not give life
to inanimate objects. The thread was initiated along with a link. And the
critical writing linked invited applications of the expression electronic
It's 1997 and I'm sitting in a pre-screening meeting with 8 or 9 people at
the Irondequoit High School. We have met to decide on the works to be
screened at the Rochester International Film Festival. Each of us has a
stack of evaluation forms on which we complete rankings for each work on
several
Hi Péter:
I use Heidegger's conception of the uncanny to discuss Birgit Hein's work.
See "The Translator's Echo" (p. 22):
https://online.ucpress.edu/afterimage/issue/40/3
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> website).
>
> http://www.lightindustry.org/cinemaexpanded
>
> Very big thanks to Ed Halter and Thomas Beard (and Erika!) for making this
> happen.
>
> JW
>
> On Jul 12, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Bernard Roddy wrote:
>
> Jonathan Walley and friends:
>
Jonathan Walley and friends:
Congratulations, Jonathan. I tried to take a look but only came up with the
introduction on Amazon. A few months ago I ordered Poor Man's Expression:
Technology, Experimental Film, Conceptual Art, a catalogue for a 2006
Berlin exhibition. I am not sure why the book
Just looking up from my reading, which I'm transcribing below:
"The most living thought becomes frigid in the formula that expresses it.
The word turns against the idea. The letter kills the spirit. And our most
ardent enthusiasm, as soon as it is externalized into action, is so
naturally
John, I think you should make that clown with the plate in his forehead
into a profile cycle for Facebook. I have ever seen your work. The metal
bucket, the syringe, the fuse, all these things I have been inclined to
draw in a technical and realistic way, and limited to a single sheet, end
of
Jodie Mack:
It's a nice course title, "Curating and Microcinema: Make your own culture."
It raises many fine questions. For one, what is the role of "curating" in
these microcinemas today? Does the term function in anything like the way
it is intended to for budgeted, wall-hung exhibitions?
The
uot; film you are referring to and where can
> I see it. Thank you
>
> John Knecht.
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 5:29 PM Bernard Roddy wrote:
>
>> Dominic:
>>
>> Thank you. I just watched Revelations. Although I passed over a few of
>> your remarks at t
Dominic:
Thank you. I just watched Revelations. Although I passed over a few of your
remarks at the festival site, I was most intent on figuring out how to play
whatever it was you were posting.
And it made me think of Dziga Vertov's Man with a Movie Camera. It's
Vertov's apocalyptic edit. We
Fracto announces a political statement:
"The streaming initiative was not only about sharing or showing films, but
about clarifying how artists need to constantly strive to meet society's
demands without giving anything back."
And it's slogan (or that of its host venue) resonates with the words
I would like to say more about what I liked in what I have seen, of the
"Immaterial Girls" program in particular.
There seems to be a remarkable refinement in the way that an artists'
thoughts, which on screen text titling serve to invoke, work with the
imagery the artist uses. In each of the
Dear film lovers, I have watched works of a couple programs ("Are we there
yet?" and "Immaterial Girls") in this year's Onion City Film Festival (
onioncityfilmfest.org) and been thinking about the role of cinema in such
work. Here's Immaterial Girls' artists:
Victoria Vanderpool
Ariel Teal
Rebba
Wait, it was only via email that Luther and I were in contact.
But there are a lot of things one could say here in connection to writing
and the experimental film. I think I read a quote from Godard where he says
film isn't art.
Nobody knows what to focus on. The University Film and Video
5:48, Bernard Roddy (https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks>>)
escribió:
>* Hi everyone. I had only heard the name, and heart it often, then in 2016
*>* saw his work at the Chicago Underground. For three years, until August last
*>* year, I worked on an essay tha
Hi everyone. I had only heard the name, and heart it often, then in 2016
saw his work at the Chicago Underground. For three years, until August last
year, I worked on an essay that runs 20 pages and concerns only a single
Price film.
Bernie
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> Sent from my smarty pants fone
>
> > On Jun 13, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Bernard Roddy wrote:
> >
> >
> > Paul Tarragó showed a film shot in Super 8. It was also black and white.
> > And I would add that it
Paul Tarragó showed a film shot in Super 8. It was also black and white.
And I would add that it seemed to me to maximize the look of large
grain as well. Various dimensions of the film sought to identify it
with this past now receding so quickly, the format and grain and all.
All of this was
I watched the first program of this year's film festival, Experiments in
Cinema. Director Bryan Konefsky introduces the festival and after the works
holds a Zoom discussion with three of the artists (Tarragó, Shi, and
Duque). Here's the order of the works in "Experiment 1," the first program:
For anyone who has seen the movie, Memento, here's why I began this line of
posting:
By making reference to Memento, I meant to suggest a direction for
experiment in film. I was reading from Matter and Memory and realized that
Bergson makes a distinction that bears on the understanding of
students?
>
> Thanks!
>
> j
>
> > On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Bernard Roddy wrote:
> >
> > Dear Albert:
> >
> > This is a nice invitation to read (I quote it below). For me it leaves
> too much to consider. I had two reactions.First, I have been i
Dear Albert:
This is a nice invitation to read (I quote it below). For me it leaves too
much to consider. I had two reactions.First, I have been interested in
conceptual art's use of photography. Under these terms we would have to
impose a "post-photographic" restriction on what constitutes
this even be addressed on the same terms?
Now I must go. Otherwise, it never ends.
Bernie
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:02 PM Bernard Roddy wrote:
> By the way, the whole topic became more interesting as we took up the
> collection of information and the ownership of data. Instead of
20, 2020 at 5:28 PM Bernard Roddy wrote:
> Artforum (October, 2013) has an article by Ross Lipman on the restoration
> of Bruce Conner's film, Crossroads (1976). It's nice reading for aesthetic
> reasons, because it's all about decisions regarding digital transfers that
> get
Artforum (October, 2013) has an article by Ross Lipman on the restoration
of Bruce Conner's film, Crossroads (1976). It's nice reading for aesthetic
reasons, because it's all about decisions regarding digital transfers that
get complicated by the artist's own reworking of the film, as well as
It's a nice idea, Alix. What's a visual score? One of the appeals of
animation in film is the timing sheet. I think that's what it was called in
standard drawn animation. How many frames does a single drawing get? But
once the persuasivenss of figural movement is no longer the focus, a timing
Yeah, I think I saw that Joe Dimaggio video at the Nightingale. What does
that have to do with road movies? I am reluctant to look more closely at
the list.
But I was also thinking that instead of the call for non-fiction or diary
work, instead of titles that could be associated with documentary
Such a difference with the usual art market in prints!
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 7:57 AM Dominic Angerame
wrote:
> I have the following prints for sale. Contact me off list if interested.
> These are also listed on eBay and I can give Frameworkers a discount from
> the eBay price
>
> Dimitri
Hi Dave:
I was thinking about the way in which I tend to experience a personal work,
which could be closer to identifying with the maker or with someone who
wants to make such a work. And the sense of truth that would bear on such
work might better be compared to the significance of an explosion,
I remember considering Nichols' introduction to documentary and getting
only as far as the way he conceived the material. I think he draws
attention to the word "representation."
Once you have framed everything under an analysis of that term, I think
it's going to be hard to drop the camera or
The Wandering Soap Opera (2017), by the Chilean Raúl Ruiz, is screening at
Facets in Chicago. Is this experimental filmmaking?
Well, the image is in circulation, but the significance of what people say,
how lines are delivered, under what circumstances, all suggest that despite
the reliance on
I know, we're supposed to do this in facebook or something, but I was
thinking about the essay and regretting my mention of Ravett, which isn't
essay filmmaking: But the Hein totally is. Die Unheimlichen Frauen is an
essay. It looks like she called it Kali Film for a while. Check this
interview
s group, good
times, bad times, shits and giggles alike, I do feel like I've been
shooting with a stream of consciousness. Everything is a bunch of
scrabbled eggs.
As a lost, semi-frustrated, caffeinated 31 year old, I ask
photographers, journalists, and poets alike. What would you have me
do?
M
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And another thing:
The contribution film makes to art is that someone who would not accept or
recognize in themselves the identity of artist can, by some accident, by
some urgency, be compelled to cope with an experience, with precisely this
failure to fit the terms of an assessment, this falling
Friends and colleagues, the essay is not really a suitable expression,
form, or metaphor for what can be done in the medium of the moving image.
The whole idea belongs to an undergraduate class that has to make the case
to someone who is in college. The closer the works look and feel like
essays,
Hello, Shuhita:
Although it is not clear what kind of monograph this would be, we can
imagine it as an open question about "spirituality" in artists' practice.
Two associations come to mind: A practice like Phil Solomon's is, I think,
intensely spiritual . . to the point that one might become
Yesterday I attended a screening of work by Yoko Ono at the Poetry
Foundation.
The introduction (and presumably the programming) was done by the editor of
the magazine for poetry. The structure housing the foundation, I
discovered, prides itself on its design, placing it in the precincts of
Thanks Seth and Francisco.
Seth, I also appreciate your references to Le Corbusier online.
Bernie
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Friends, I got out and saw some work. It feels like it's been a very long
time. Mabe and Nixon programmed a show for the Block this evening, part of
their Channels quarterly series, this time under the auspices of
Northwestern's media curator, Metzger.
Child's Surface Noise was like watching
ot; Lipman,
however, is particularly sensitive to Conner's conception of that work, and
it is Conner himself who complicated the process of fixing the identity of
this particular work.
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From: Bernard Roddy
Date: Thu, May 2, 2019 at 8:50 PM
Subject: Narratives of
Hey everyone:
I'm teaching a course in a computer science program in which I devote a
week to intellectual property. The use of found footage became more
interesting as a result of looking for cases with which to raise ethical
debate and present new terms of analysis.
In a slight departure from
to do ("best practices").
On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 9:36 AM, Bernard Roddy <tactilecor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone:
>
> I'm just now reading Caryn Cline's thread.
>
> Suppose we were asked to provide closed captioning for a silent film.
>
> I have placed a mo
Hi everyone:
I'm just now reading Caryn Cline's thread.
Suppose we were asked to provide closed captioning for a silent film.
I have placed a moratorium on showing anything in class. We will just
read. (Of course it's not an art or film class.)
My own work often derives from a classroom
This will be interesting.
What kind of dialogue will be opened up here?
The artist is scheduled to skype in for questions.
The work is the arguably the most accomplished to screen at a venue
now well past its first decade for truly independent urban culture.
Or should I say film?
Bernie
"If your film can be viewed online without a password it will
unfortunately be ineligible. A Scottish premiere is a requirement for
UK short films."
That's Kim Knowles at the Edinburgh Film Festival. It reminds me of a
colleague many years ago who said the faculty weren't interested in a
Has anyone ever seen a film by Le Corbusier?
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A note on St Francis Hears a Noise, screened at Nightingale in Chicago
Sunday evening.
One would want to reference Warhol. People are always talking, and
it's pretty much improvised. Man with a Movie Camera becomes Man with
a Boom Mic. What are people saying? That is where one might want to
Chicagoans, in particular . .
If you also teach and have students who are at early stages of their
mastery of English, check out The Future Perfect, at Facets until Nov. 30.
The film would count as experimental or avant-garde if it were Godard, but
. . all that talking to camera in a Godard is
Well, I would say it has the appearance of a media fiasco.
By the way, I got the unemployment benefits I was being denied! Minimum
enrollment for adjuncts went up, classes were cancelled, and I received
adjunct offers at two different locations. I decided not to take the
better paying
Greetings and happy holidays, film artists.
I was wondering whether there are thoughts here on where to go to read
strong writing about art of the kind you might like to make (or see), or
that you in fact see.
For a moment there I had some doubts about the nature of programming, the
kind of
What about a voice that is so distorted one cannot say what gender it is.
A voice that "disturbs" the difference.
I have godforsaken pages on the first utterances in Luther Price's *Clown*.
They are incoherent. And is this a man speaking, or what? Does the
question make sense?
Ok, I'm going.
I was just thinking,why should it matter? Chuck offers sociological
considerations, a history. Let's have voices hitherto unheard or
interrupted. But that's not it for me. I think, when it's an
authoritative voice, it really hardly matters. The lecture could as well
have been male. On the
Liberation Day
Laibach serves provocateur "director"'s stunt. If we were wondering how
compromise looks . . ahem, and who could not be wondering that today? . .
this film, which is screening at Facets until Nov. 11, would be my vote for
"production values" entry into the "experimental" film
I hear a Renwick and a Duke/Battersby now. And I want to say, the Marker
isn't the woman speaking. Could it be? She reads it.
But more importantly, where do we get these things? I want to recognize
the sources of a book collection (they are books, as dear and durable):
Peripheral Produce,
How odd that LightPress grants are for scans. And after all that stuff
about supporting independent filmmakers.
And why doesn't Arsenal just translate the German of the Ute Aurand
film, Blanca
García? It's much more interesting than what the English text makes the
work out to be about.
By the
Dearest frameworkers:
My father passed away a couple weeks ago, and during the service last week
a video of him was shown. It had been shot within the last year, and it
reminded me of a work I made on him 12 years ago: Death of a Maniac I don't
even list as among my works in film or video (it
Thank you, Dave, for the Joe Gibbons coverage. Gibbons can still divide an
audience, it seems to me. We are so far from the Yes Men nowadays that
Harry Smith paper airplanes is likely to make the register sing before we
get around to playing in tune with the kneeling Trumps.
Yesterday I passed through a small gallery filled with Robert Frank
pictures. Lined up along a 12 or 15 ft wall were projections about 11 x 17
in. of 6 or 7 films. This is gallery exhibition: I saw all Franks films in
under a minute.
By contrast, when the Music Box Theater programmed Frank's
de Sica's *Umberto D*.
Well, you raised the question of time. It wasn't motion or clock time, as
if you would be interested in seeing second hands.
Or maybe time can only be appreciated when you are, well, doomed. It's
almost over for you.
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 8:19 PM, Jorge Lorenzo Flores
Greetings, everyone. What does it mean when one's name is listed in the
header of a discussion thread. I'm spooked.
And for those of you, if there are any, who are also searching for the
relationship between art and film (for those who refuse to give up!), or
perhaps those who are forever
Hi Mark:
Doesn't this query raise the question of what experimental is? Looking at
this invite, I could only bring to mind the task of creating what is called
an exposure sheet. And this I found to be a very interesting dimension of
shooting animation that I wanted to say is "experimental."
(Just out of the shower . . , no classes to prepare for, . .)
It’s interesting how networking becomes gendered. The gallery scene, which
is much more interpersonal, would be domintated by women if they weren’t
always interested in others. The email list requires a moderator who has
an agenda
Joan Hawkins. I mistook that for Joan Brederman, which got me to
thinking. Professor Hawkins, forgive me for continuing, and for mistaking
your name for that of someone else.
Venessa Renwick has been showing work that is long-take footage of wild
animals, in particular shots of prey in flight.
an inherent given of personality, biology, or
> whatever. Taste is a social construction,
>
> 3. Educating potential viewers so they can have such art experiences is (at
> least in part) an act of love, a social act that makes this a better world.
>
> Chuck Kleinhans
>
>
>
motion
> are unique in cinema. Good art makes places for us to go. Peter's films
> took you to a place the other night. It took the couple in front of you
> there too. You've never been there before. Come back again.
>
> John Knecht
>
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Bernar
Frameworkers! I don't know who you are, but . . . It's like the
letters my father writes that I never answer. They just keep coming,
even as I throw them directly in the trash. What, then, is it to
write someone, anyway?
But Peter Hutton work screened at Nightingale. And I wonder, well:
Reviewing:
Anna Briggs link went nowhere (404).
Kiarostami is supposed to have a "filmed correspondence." What would that
mean?
Escobar suggests "Jose Luis Guerin and Jonas Mekas." What about them?
Sebastian wants recognition for working with Kiarostami.
Contributing:
I suggest a question.
I'm pasting some content provided by the site, MExIndex below. The post to
Frameworks reminded me of a book I have had in mind to buy, Performance Art
in Ireland:
http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/distributed/P/bo20282727.html
The question I opened the post with was, roughly, I wonder
I attended this screening event at the Nightingale, Chicago, last night:
http://expcinema.org/site/en/events/nightingale-cinema-josh-lewis-simon-liu
Josh said something in the course of the Q & A that I thought I would
post. For me the duration and variability of the work made it tedius,
*¡O No Coronado!* is mentioned in Unthinking *Eurocentrism:
Multiculturalism and the Media*, by Ella Shoat and Robert Stam. Ten years
ago I was watching a lot of this kind of thing, what you could look to
Defibrillator in Chicago for in terms of live performance.
But I wanted to post some
I always doubted the relevance of "documentary."
Bernie
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Hi Esperanza:
*The Gas Works* looks like performance art, "European style". *Things Said
Once* looks like a book . . or that's the way I want to read it. But your
site itself is the form of our contact with a book-style film sensibility.
It's the form of an artist making work, one who has the
I didn't even need to open this.
On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Mark Street wrote:
> Sisters and Brothers,
>
> If you find yourself in Barcelona March 5, below is a link announcing a
> show I'm doing at the amazing Crater Lab. Spread the word if you are so
> inclined.
>
I think The Harrowing was by Jane Hooker and the other person, not Jake.
On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Francisco Torres
wrote:
> The Donald Trump (TM) act is pure performance art circa 1980 Guy
> could had played at The Kitchen to packed audiences.
>
> 2016-03-02
If Janie Geiser is a performance artist, we need a new term. It's all over
for performance art.
Bernie
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d be happy to hear of a school of art that has
> the budget to rent a 16mm and a 35mm projector for an audience of 12
> students. So the choice is to share knowledge with the means available
> to you, or to keep it to yourself.
> Marco
>
> On 28 January 2016 at 22:02, Bernard Roddy &
I
> sent you is a copy paste of one of my work documents. The films were
> organized in groups according to thematic lines and some conceptual
> affinities amongst them, and properly introduced.
>
>
> On 28 January 2016 at 21:09, Bernard Roddy <tactilecor...@gmail.com>
> w
Hi Marco:
I wasn't watchng when you posted the request, but I have to wonder how
these works were shown, given that everything has been forced into lower
case titles.
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Marco Poloni wrote:
> Hello all,
> I just finished screening a number of
I think this work by Tony mentioned by Fred is reproduced as a
diagram/instruction in:
W + B Hein : Dokumente 1967-1985, Fotos, Briefe, Texte.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Cinema Project
wrote:
> Jesse!
>
> In regards to "well-deployed spoilers," I might look into
Hi Amanda! Good luck in Rochester tonight!
(I remember when you posted asking for films that included car crashes.)
Bernie
On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Amanda Christie <
ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca> wrote:
> I for one appreciated the poetic touch...
>
>
> I believe in the flowers that
Hi Suyash:
It sounds like you are embarking on a video documentary. As I read
over your request, I am reminded of my years in Rochester (until
around 1999). But what I remember is the Visual Studies Workshop and
screenings at the Dryden Theater of the George Eastman House. I think
this raises
Chris, I didn't intend a connection between the objection to recognition
for the film and the observation about the presence of women at festivals.
But do you remember Cari Machet? So often the exchanges on this list raise
interesting questions that are quite incidental to anything anyone might
I was, however, very happy with that whole period of frameworks, the time
when there was that flaming. It was remarkable simply because the writers
were unfamiliar.
But I might be forgiven if I take Jesse McLean to draw this thought out
(without any intention to ignore the obituary). If you saw
I was at the Chicago Underground Film Festival, where I saw, among other
work,Things, by Ben Rivers. It truck me as several films that should have
been cut and submitted individually.
I just noticed that Ann Arbor gave it an award. This is not a comment on
the jurors, of course (although we
Did I mention the course in which I included a section on sound? Three
works I played:
Tony Conrad with Faust, Outside the Dream Syndicate
Alvin Lucier, Music for Solo Performer
Yasunao Tone, Musica Iconologos
I dare anyone on this list to play Tone for more than 5 minutes!
Bernie
Squeaky Wheel in Buffalo.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Amanda Christie
ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca wrote:
Thanks for sharing Walter!
I also have a question on a similar subject for the group.
I'm going to be doing a radio-art residency in upstate new york next fall
(late October),
Go Sasha!
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Gene Youngblood ato...@comcast.net
wrote:
The original question is so absurd that I almost didn’t respond, but i
did, only to make the point that, within such a restricted frame, you don’t
start with specific films, you start with possibilities:
) - in that order.
Peter
(Perth)
On 28/03/2015 9:47 am, Bernard Roddy rodd...@yahoo.com wrote:
I taught an introductory course in which I framed things under the
terms underground, avant-garde, studio-art video, video as
technology, documentary, and a concluding section called film
culture
You can get a canon of women, no problem. I would list early Su Friedrich.
But I wouldn't want to be raised as a potential name for a list because of
my gender.
As it happened, in the class I taught I found myself watching Norman
McLaren next to Joanna Quinn's Girls' Night Out. The comparison
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