Improper shutdown of system / Fragmentation Problems / Boot logs

2004-06-08 Thread Bruce Hunter
I am kinda new to FBSD, still kinda learning stuff. Anyway, when my system boots i see all kinda fragmentation information. How do I correct this? Any good reading material? Also, what should I do when I shutdown my system incorrectly and boot up again? Last questions! I promise. Is there a file

Re: Improper shutdown of system / Fragmentation Problems / Boot logs

2004-06-08 Thread Murray Taylor
Fragmentation is a non-event in 99.999% of cases. It is nothing like micro$lop fragments and (before you ask, no there is no defrag tool, 'cos it is not required) The shutdown question -- well you should not shutdown incorrectly ;-) - see man shutdown and friends (BTW - letting the FreeBSD box

Re: Improper shutdown of system / Fragmentation Problems / Boot logs

2004-06-08 Thread Bruce Hunter
This is off topic, I was wondering if there is a pretty little gui that will run when booting. Kinda like windows, lindows, and even Redhat Fedora has one; which can be switched back and forth. Basically, so I don't have to see the text scrolling down and just see a loader with %. Maybe in the

Re: fstab

2004-06-08 Thread Anubis
Joshua Lewis wrote: /dev/ad1s1 what? a, d, e, f,g ?? Do I specify? I am using the whole drive. should I change it to /dev/ad1s1a? Thank you, Joshua Lewis Anubis Joshua Lewis wrote: The last time I edited this file my system ceased to boot. I have made what looks to me like a valid entry. This

Boot GUI / Boot data and process / Fragmentation

2004-06-08 Thread Bruce Hunter
This is off topic, I was wondering if there is a pretty little gui that will run when booting. Kinda like windows, lindows, and even Redhat Fedora has one; which can be switched back and forth. Basically, so I don't have to see the text scrolling down and just see a loader with %. Maybe in the

Re: Boot GUI / Boot data and process / Fragmentation

2004-06-08 Thread Kent Stewart
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 12:03 am, Bruce Hunter wrote: This is off topic, I was wondering if there is a pretty little gui that will run when booting. Kinda like windows, lindows, and even Redhat Fedora has one; which can be switched back and forth. Basically, so I don't have to see the text

Re: Boot GUI / Boot data and process / Fragmentation

2004-06-08 Thread Bruce Hunter
Thanks for your help Kent I read something about using portversion -c with the portupgrade command to upgrade installed pkgs that needed to be updated. When I run portversion -c :: I get a print out of things needed to be upgraded and at the end, it shows a 'if' statment. How do you use this

gnome problems

2004-06-08 Thread n3rdBoy .
Hello to you all, I am new to freeBSD and this mailing list. I have run into some problems and am not sure where to post my question. I am running FreeBSD 5.2 i386 and am having some problems getting gnome to work. I have searched through the handbook and several other text

Re: virtual memory allocation

2004-06-08 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 08:34:24AM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: My colleague is trying to find the maximum amount of virtual memory that FreeBSD is able to allocate to a program. He's trying 4*1020*1024*1024 for kern.maxdsiz and FreeBSD fries up. On i386 the CPU can only address 4GB of

Re: gnome problems

2004-06-08 Thread Nelis Lamprecht
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 09:40, n3rdBoy . wrote: When I am logged in as root X11 and gnome start fine when I type 'startx', when I am logged in as a normal user I type 'startx' and only X11 starts. I have followed the instructions in the handbook and modified /root/.xsession. any

Re: gnome problems

2004-06-08 Thread Andreas Carnaily
Try to move /root/.xinitrc to /home/you/ It should work. ;) On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 07:40:05 +, n3rdBoy . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to you all, I am new to freeBSD and this mailing list. I have run into some problems and am not sure where to post my question. I am

Re: Boot GUI / Boot data and process / Fragmentation

2004-06-08 Thread Kent Stewart
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 12:37 am, Bruce Hunter wrote: Thanks for your help Kent I read something about using portversion -c with the portupgrade command to upgrade installed pkgs that needed to be updated. When I run portversion -c :: I get a print out of things needed to be upgraded and

fetch problem

2004-06-08 Thread Viliam Kyjac
on FreeBSD 4.6 fetch from perl script in /etc/Crontab not working (it is update.pl for drWeb antivirus), message fetch: operation timeout received, from console fetch also not operate, but the same perl script running from console operate OK please where is problem? --- Vilo Kyjac netadmin SMU

/usr/ports/www/linux-mozillafirebird

2004-06-08 Thread Wilkinson, Alex
Hi all, I have been using /usr/ports/www/firefox for sometime now. Recently I installed /usr/ports/www/linux-mozillafirebird to experiment with some of the plugins. Something that I noticed was that linux-mozillafirebird is blazingly fast compared to firefox. I'm talking about the speed at

Buildworld and turning of debugging to speed up the system

2004-06-08 Thread Bruce Hunter
Currently I am running 5.2.1 I am doing a buildworld, buildkernel,installkernel, installworld Whatever you want to call it. I read something about turning off debugging in the current release and how it will help to speed up my system. How the heck would I go about doing this? Does it have to do

Re: /usr/ports/www/linux-mozillafirebird

2004-06-08 Thread Kent Stewart
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 01:02 am, Wilkinson, Alex wrote: Hi all, I have been using /usr/ports/www/firefox for sometime now. Recently I installed /usr/ports/www/linux-mozillafirebird to experiment with some of the plugins. Something that I noticed was that linux-mozillafirebird is blazingly

Re: fetch problem

2004-06-08 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 10:04:23AM +0200, Viliam Kyjac wrote: on FreeBSD 4.6 fetch from perl script in /etc/Crontab not working (it is update.pl for drWeb antivirus), message fetch: operation timeout received, from console fetch also not operate, but the same perl script running from console

Re: Dangerous file system / disk problem

2004-06-08 Thread Malcolm Kay
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 05:20, Ben Paley wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 16:44, Malcolm Kay wrote: Notice the size recorded for this slice is zero. If the cylinders=155061 heads=16 sectors/track=63 is somewhere near the reasonable possible geometry description then virtually the entire

Re: Buildworld and turning of debugging to speed up the system

2004-06-08 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 04:48:25AM -0400, Bruce Hunter wrote: Currently I am running 5.2.1 I am doing a buildworld, buildkernel,installkernel, installworld Whatever you want to call it. I read something about turning off debugging in the current release and how it will help to speed up my

Re: Dangerous file system / disk problem

2004-06-08 Thread Ben Paley
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 10:38, Malcolm Kay wrote: On Tuesday 08 June 2004 05:20, Ben Paley wrote: But seriously, does any of this suggest a course of action to you? I'm planning to try the set sysid to 0 plan... what if that doesn't work? Sounds like an excellent idea. Perhaps windows is

Help: After installing linux, I can no longer boot my freebsd...

2004-06-08 Thread Mark Jayson Alvarez
Hi, I have a 20gb harddisk with 3 primary partitions: 1st: DOS 2nd: Freebsd 3rd: reserved for linux and an extended partition(which contains my windows files) Before installing linux.. I can see this at freebsd boot manager menu F1:DOS F3:Freebsd After installing linux and lilo.. F1:DOS

USB 2.0 reporting 1.000MB/s transfers?

2004-06-08 Thread Richard Bejtlich
Hello, I am troubleshooting a Plextor 708UF DVD burner[0] on FreeBSD CURRENT: neely:/home/richard$ uname -a FreeBSD neely.taosecurity.com 5.2-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT #1: Sat Jun 5 20:35:43 EDT 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/neely i386 The box is a Shuttle SB52G2[1] with

problems with LDAP TLS and nss_ldap on 5.2.1

2004-06-08 Thread mkes
I have upgraded our LDAP server to 5.2.1Release running openldap-2.1.30 server/client + pam_ldap-1.6.9 + nss_ldap-1.204_5. The previous configuration (openldap20-2.0.25_4 + nss_ldap-1.204_1 + pam_ldap-1.6.1) was runing OK on FreeBSD 5.1R After the upgrade I have 2 major problems. 1) I'm

Re: Boot GUI / Boot data and process / Fragmentation

2004-06-08 Thread Joan Picanyol i Puig
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 04:03:31 -0400, Bruce Hunter wrote: This is off topic, I was wondering if there is a pretty little gui that will run when booting. man splash In my /boot/loader.conf I haver: splash_bmp_load=YES bitmap_load=YES bitmap_name=/boot/daemon_640.bmp qvb -- pica

Re: Improper shutdown of system / Fragmentation Problems / Boot logs

2004-06-08 Thread Jason Stewart
On 08/06/04 02:21 -0400, Bruce Hunter wrote: This is off topic, I was wondering if there is a pretty little gui that will run when booting. Kinda like windows, lindows, and even Redhat Fedora has one; which can be switched back and forth. Basically, so I don't have to see the text scrolling

Re: Improper shutdown of system / Fragmentation Problems / Boot logs

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
[It's not generally good policy to ask multiple questions in one email. As crazy as it sounds, you're better off sending a seperate email for each question. See http://www.lemis.com/questions.html] Bruce Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is off topic, I was wondering if there is a pretty

Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Jonathon McKitrick
I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of power? Is it true that the heat buildup in a home system (rather than a heavily fanned commercial system) will kill the drives faster and this is a

Correction: USB 2.0 reporting 1.000MB/s transfers?

2004-06-08 Thread Richard Bejtlich
Hello, I included the wrong dmesg snippet in my original post. When I showed the following, I used an excerpt for the DVD burner connected via _FireWire_: -- cd1 at sbp0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 cd1: PLEXTOR DVDR PX-708A 1.06 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd1: 50.000MB/s transfers cd1: Attempt

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Jun 8, 2004, at 8:21 AM, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of power? Not necessarily. If you want to measure it, make sure you have a decent UPS (which

Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Peter Risdon
The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in software or hardware, but in support. I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, so that sources are cvsup'ed nightly and make buildworld buildkernel etc and portupgrade happen overnight maybe once a week

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Vince Hoffman
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Peter Risdon wrote: The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in software or hardware, but in support. I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, so that sources are cvsup'ed nightly and make buildworld buildkernel etc and

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
Peter Risdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in software or hardware, but in support. I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, so that sources are cvsup'ed nightly and make buildworld buildkernel etc and

Re: Improper shutdown of system / Fragmentation Problems / Boot logs

2004-06-08 Thread Jerry McAllister
I am kinda new to FBSD, still kinda learning stuff. Anyway, when my system boots i see all kinda fragmentation information. How do I correct this? Any good reading material? Do not correct it. It is not at all the same thing as fragmentation in Microsloth systems and is not a problem.

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Peter Ulrich Kruppa
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of power? Is it true that the heat buildup in a home system (rather than a heavily fanned commercial

Re: FreeBSD.org e-mail addresses

2004-06-08 Thread Jerry McAllister
Hello All! I have a strange question and I couldn't answer it myself in any documentation. Can I get some e-mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I can, what should I do or who should I be? I need this for working with FreeBSD people and mailing lists. My understanding is that you have to

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Jonathon McKitrick
: So *my* summary for your private server would be: : - Leaving it on all day will not kill your harddisks, in the : contrary: even cheap ones will live longer. : - AMD processors tend to run hot, so if you have one, you should : look for a good fan. The guy who built mine installed 2 fans,

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Chiang Seng Chang
I also have an always-on headless server running for like 3 years now without any problem. I use it for: apache, samba, vpn, postfix (the usual server apps). I think the key is to use the minimal (translate: cooler, less power hungry) components. Mine is P2-400 with 5400 rpm HDDs. A UPS would

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Stephen Liu
Hi folks, This is an interesting topic. On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Peter Risdon wrote: The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in software or hardware, but in support. I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, so that sources are cvsup'ed

F-Prot update errors

2004-06-08 Thread whizkid
I install F-Prot from the ports. If I run check-updates.pl from the console I get a sucessful update everytime (or a nothing updates found message) but if I added the script into the crontab (via crontab -e as root) I get the following Email: *** * F-Prot

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Luke Kearney
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:02:31 +0800 (CST) Stephen Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: Hi folks, This is an interesting topic. On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Peter Risdon wrote: The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in software or hardware, but in support. I have been

Re: fstab

2004-06-08 Thread Jerry McAllister
The last time I edited this file my system ceased to boot. I have made what looks to me like a valid entry. This is the same thing I entered in last time. I am not going to save this but does it look valid to anyone out there? # DeviceMountpoint FStype Options

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Peter Ulrich Kruppa
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Peter Risdon wrote: The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in software or hardware, but in support. I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, so that sources are cvsup'ed nightly and make buildworld buildkernel etc and

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Peter Risdon
Vince Hoffman wrote: On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Peter Risdon wrote: I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, You may want to have a look at freebsd-update. Its a binary updater, Client/Server config, the server code and info on what it is, is available from

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Peter Risdon
Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote: On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Peter Risdon wrote: The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in software or hardware, but in support. I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, so that sources are cvsup'ed nightly and make buildworld

Anti-Spam app for sendmail

2004-06-08 Thread Chris
Any comments on a good anti-spam app that works with sendmail for a mail server? -- Best regards, Chris ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ISPs blocking SMTP connections from dynamic IP address space

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Jun 07, 2004, Bill Campbell wrote: On Mon, Jun 07, 2004, Jay Moore wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 10:29 am, Bill Moran wrote: Just make sure they are truly dynamic ips. Many people block ips identified as DSL connections. Those are not necessarily dynamic ip based. The easiest way

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Peter Ulrich Kruppa
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Chiang Seng Chang wrote: I also have an always-on headless server running for like 3 years now without any problem. I use it for: apache, samba, vpn, postfix (the usual server apps). I think the key is to use the minimal (translate: cooler, less power hungry) components.

Re: port upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Daniela
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 00:45, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 09:01:15PM +, Daniela wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 19:35, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 07:14:34PM +, Daniela wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 17:28, Tim Traver wrote: Hi all,

Re: Legal question regarding products built with FreeBSD

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
Jason Richmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Whom it May Concern, I have built a NAS product that uses FreeBSD. I have customized the kernel and built a custom web interface. After reading through the FreeBSD legal section I am fairly certain that distribution of this product does not

make buildworld problem

2004-06-08 Thread Mantas Audickas
Hello there, i don't know where to ask.. i have tried in many irc channels, but no one could help me.. so i'm trying to make buildworld, but there i get an error, always the same.. i have tried in fresh installed os, with GENERIC kernel and with my own, cvsup source and so on.. but nothing goes

free

2004-06-08 Thread dauda braimah
How do I install freebsd and another Os in a pc with 2gigabyte hdd disk eg Window XP and freebsd. How do I format a system that has freebsd 4.5 in it Thanks you and God bless __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo!

Re: Ernesto Ortiz

2004-06-08 Thread Jerry McAllister
I have been doing some research on FreeBSD and I want to use it as my OS but i have no idea on what files I need to download from the ftp sites. If anyone can help with my problem I would appreciate it a lot. I have a really good computer and I am sure that is more than capable of running

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Chiang Seng Chang
Well... X is not started automatically (a.k.a. no gdm/kdm)... sometimes I'd like to play with some X stuff... I know there are other solution, like build on a fast machine and install onto the slow one. I didn't bother because 1) the server is still working while the upgrade is taking it's

Re: fxp0: device timeout with thinkpad r40

2004-06-08 Thread Luke Kearney
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:45:09 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: Hey I've found some documented problems with this on google but nothing that really helped me. I have an IBM Thinkpad R40 and finding chipset information for it all the docs say that it's an Ethernet Driver(ya i know) so the

Re: F-Prot update errors

2004-06-08 Thread Hasse
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 17.08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I install F-Prot from the ports. If I run check-updates.pl from the console I get a sucessful update everytime (or a nothing updates found message) but if I added the script into the crontab (via crontab -e as root) I get the following

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Robert Huff
Peter Risdon writes: I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees many commits that are likely to be problematic. In general, no. On the other hand ... think of this as a Murphy's Law scenario: if you automate, it _will_ break horribly two days before

portupgrade -c (was Re: Boot GUI / Boot data and process / Fragmentation)

2004-06-08 Thread Randy Pratt
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:59:58 -0700 Kent Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 08 June 2004 12:37 am, Bruce Hunter wrote: Thanks for your help Kent I read something about using portversion -c with the portupgrade command to upgrade installed pkgs that needed to be updated. When I

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Peter Risdon
Bill Moran wrote: Peter Risdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cvsup'ing overnight is routine and fine. The make build/install stuff seems a bit more delicate. I'm happy that I have figured out how to automate this, but not _whether_ I should do so. I am of course only considering tracking RELENG_4

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Peter Risdon
Robert Huff wrote: Peter Risdon writes: I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees many commits that are likely to be problematic. In general, no. On the other hand ... think of this as a Murphy's Law scenario: if you automate, it _will_ break horribly two days

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Richard Caley
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathon McKitrick (jm) writes: jm I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin jm client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of jm power? Turn the monitor off, especially if it is getting old. I have a 19inch

Re: free

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
dauda braimah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I install freebsd and another Os in a pc with 2gigabyte hdd disk eg Window XP and freebsd. How do I format a system that has freebsd 4.5 in it Have you read the install docs?:

Perl and linux emulation

2004-06-08 Thread Jason Godfrey
Hello. I have a perl module (Adobe's FDF toolkit) that uses two .so files as part of it's magic. These files come precompiled for Linux. Not surprisingly, when I try to do a perl use on the module I get an error like this: Can't load '/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/FDF.so' for module

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
Peter Risdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Moran wrote: Peter Risdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cvsup'ing overnight is routine and fine. The make build/install stuff seems a bit more delicate. I'm happy that I have figured out how to automate this, but not _whether_ I should do so.

Re: fstab

2004-06-08 Thread Joshua Lewis
asuming that you have done the whole fdisk/disklabel/newfs you can list the contents of /dev thus, ls /dev to find out. It will be ad1s1d oassume something like that I do have several ad1* devices in /dev but I can not mount them. So I asume they are just there to be there? Why would it be

[OT] What's QED? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
Peter Risdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Huff wrote: Peter Risdon writes: I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees many commits that are likely to be problematic. In general, no. On the other hand ... think of this as a Murphy's Law

Re: [OT] What's QED? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)

2004-06-08 Thread Andrew L. Gould
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:36:47 -0400 Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Risdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Huff wrote: Peter Risdon writes: I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees many commits that are likely to be problematic. In

Re: Perl and linux emulation

2004-06-08 Thread Daniel Bye
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 11:27:29AM -0500, Jason Godfrey wrote: Hello. I have a perl module (Adobe's FDF toolkit) that uses two .so files as part of it's magic. These files come precompiled for Linux. Not surprisingly, when I try to do a perl use on the module I get an error like this:

Re: [OT] What's QED? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)

2004-06-08 Thread Kent Stewart
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 09:36 am, Bill Moran wrote: Peter Risdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Huff wrote: Peter Risdon writes: I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees many commits that are likely to be problematic. In general, no. On the other

Re: acpi question

2004-06-08 Thread Oliver B. Fischer
Hello Dan, there is a separate list on ACPI: [EMAIL PROTECTED] May you wish to subscribe to it. Regards, Oliver Fischer Dan Cojocar wrote: Hello, I noticed that my hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active is set -1 and i can't change this value, what is this meaning? Thanks,

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Jonathon McKitrick
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 05:18:07PM +0100, Richard Caley wrote: : In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathon McKitrick (jm) writes: : : jm I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin : jm client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of : jm

Re: free

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
[Please use reply all to include the mailing list in subsequent questions, I do not always have time to respond to all follow-ups.] dauda braimah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill, thanks for that email and the prompt reply. What practical minimum size required to install freebsd and XP I

Re: [OT] What's QED? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004, Kent Stewart wrote: On Tuesday 08 June 2004 09:36 am, Bill Moran wrote: Peter Risdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Huff wrote: Peter Risdon writes: I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees many commits that are likely to be problematic.

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
Jonathon McKitrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 05:18:07PM +0100, Richard Caley wrote: : In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathon McKitrick (jm) writes: : : jm I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin : jm client laptop. Will running it

Re: free

2004-06-08 Thread Kent Stewart
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 10:38 am, Bill Moran wrote: [Please use reply all to include the mailing list in subsequent questions, I do not always have time to respond to all follow-ups.] dauda braimah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill, thanks for that email and the prompt reply. What

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Charles Swiger
On Jun 8, 2004, at 1:27 PM, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess those use less power, right? Also, a 1.8GHz Athlon won't use any more power than necessary during idle time, right? Yes, a flat screen typically uses about 50W; a big CRT might

Re: free

2004-06-08 Thread arden
can't believe I'm answering this especially on here but the min spec for XP is 1.5 gig that doesn't leave much for BSDs or to run any applications in either OS hard disks are cheap as chips these days think its time to upgrade arden On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 18:38, Bill Moran wrote: [Please

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Joe Altman
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 01:21:01PM +0100, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of power? Is it true that the heat buildup in a home system (rather than a

Re: fstab

2004-06-08 Thread Jerry McAllister
asuming that you have done the whole fdisk/disklabel/newfs you can list the contents of /dev thus, ls /dev to find out. It will be ad1s1d oassume something like that I do have several ad1* devices in /dev but I can not mount them. So I asume they are just there to be there? Why

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Jonathon McKitrick
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 02:42:16PM -0400, Joe Altman wrote: : Take the side off of your case, turn the open side toward the wall, Why against the wall? So nothing damages it? : with some space between it and the wall. Especially during the summer. My setup has a fan in the back, and also one

Re: [OT] What's QED? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)

2004-06-08 Thread Robert Huff
Bill Campbell writes: The original Latin is ``Quod Erat Demonstrandum'', translates to that was demonstrated (about as much as I remember from five years of Latin). Perfect passive periphrastic, if I've got it right. Robert Huff

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Joe Altman
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 07:51:51PM +0100, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 02:42:16PM -0400, Joe Altman wrote: : Take the side off of your case, turn the open side toward the wall, Why against the wall? So nothing damages it? Yes; spills, flying objects, whatever. Most

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Jonathon McKitrick
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 03:05:14PM -0400, Joe Altman wrote: : Yes; spills, flying objects, whatever. Most importantly, it's not on : the floor, and securely on my desk. I deal w/ the noise by keeping the What is so bad with the floor? : That reminds me: is a CD/RW a feasible data backup device?

Hyperthreading question

2004-06-08 Thread Dwayne MacKinnon
Hi all, I'm upgrading some machines from 4.8-RELEASE to 4.10-RELEASE. The machines in question are dual-processor xeon boxes. Now, my boss is adamant in that he doesn't want hyperthreading enabled on the machines. In 4.8-RELEASE things were simple... I just didn't add the options HTT line to

5.2.1 fails to install on Toshiba Satellite A15-S127

2004-06-08 Thread Mikhail V.Paremski
I tried to install FBSD 5.2.1 on Toshiba Satellite A15-S127 (Mobile Intel Celeron Id=0xf27 Stepping = 7 2GHz/256M/30G CDRW, USB floppy. During boot from installation floppy kernel hungs just after: pcibios: BIOS version 2.10 Using $PIR table, 6 entries at 0xc00f01a0 pcib0: Host to PCI bridge at

[Going further OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Nico Meijer
Hi, What is so bad with the floor? Ever move into a beautiful house only to find the floor *flooded* at the first serious cloud break? ;-) BTW - I'd make sure I'd get/have a decent computer case with a decent PSU with enough room for some decent 80mm or larger low noise fans rather than

Re: [OT] What's QED? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)

2004-06-08 Thread Jos De Laender
Bill Campbell wrote: snip of on topic stuff ;-) The original Latin is ``Quod Erat Demonstrandum'', translates to that was demonstrated (about as much as I remember from five years of Latin). Quod erat demonstrandum is correct. The translation is rather : what needed to be proven, what needed

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
Charles Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 8, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Bill Moran wrote: Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess those use less power, right? I remember having this conversation with someone not too long ago, and our consensus was that flat

Re: [Going further OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
Nico Meijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What is so bad with the floor? Ever move into a beautiful house only to find the floor *flooded* at the first serious cloud break? ;-) BTW - I'd make sure I'd get/have a decent computer case with a decent PSU with enough room for some decent

i845-i865 on 4.9 RELEASE

2004-06-08 Thread AlexZivenko
Hi guys! I have one question for you. I had an intel mainboard on i845 chipset. All was beautiful with 4.9 Release. When I got i865 chipset I have many problems... first time, when I reinstalled FreeBSd It was rebooting when I boot that, then it was some eroor with

Re: Anti-Spam app for sendmail

2004-06-08 Thread Eric Crist
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 10:35, Chris wrote: Any comments on a good anti-spam app that works with sendmail for a mail server? Yeah, try SpamAssassin. I've been using it since January, and have almost zero SPAM delivered to my inbox now. I think in all that time it has only had one false

Re: OT: do not read if OT annoys you group coding standards

2004-06-08 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2004-06-07 13:10, Goodleaf, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a hard problem. How do you provide conventions that don't annoy the hell out of programmers, but which ensure that legibile, maintainable code is left? First of all, I should note this: As long as there is a way to

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Charles Swiger
On Jun 8, 2004, at 2:54 PM, Cordula's Web wrote: AMD processors now have fairly good thermal behavior when they are idle, although it obviously helps if one can enable APCI and power management capabilities to either throttle down the CPU speed or even go into sleep mode. What about other

Re: make buildworld problem

2004-06-08 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2004-06-08 18:41, Mantas Audickas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello there, i don't know where to ask.. i have tried in many irc channels, but no one could help me.. so i'm trying to make buildworld, but there i get an error, always the same.. i have tried in fresh installed os, with GENERIC

Re: [Going further OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Jason Taylor
Bill Moran wrote: Nico Meijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What is so bad with the floor? Ever move into a beautiful house only to find the floor *flooded* at the first serious cloud break? ;-) BTW - I'd make sure I'd get/have a decent computer case with a decent PSU with enough room for some

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Bernt. H
Charles Swiger wrote: On Jun 8, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Bill Moran wrote: Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess those use less power, right? I remember having this conversation with someone not too long ago, and our consensus was that flat screens used just as much power

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Charles Swiger
On Jun 8, 2004, at 4:06 PM, Bill Moran wrote: Charles Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No need to guess, use an amp-meter. :-) What a crazy idea. I seem to remember plugging monitors into a UPS in an attempt to use the cheesy load meter lights to tell which was drawing more juice, when that

Re: Anti-Spam app for sendmail

2004-06-08 Thread Bernt. H
Chris wrote: Any comments on a good anti-spam app that works with sendmail for a mail server? Yes. You can have a look at messagewall its in the ports. www.messagewall.org Been using it for the past year now and it's works just fine. ___ [EMAIL

mysql user

2004-06-08 Thread RazorOnFreeBSD
Hi everyone, I maybe didn't see something, for sure it's a dumb problem I installed MySQL 4.0.20 from sources downloaded on MySQL website and then I checked before adding my mysql user on the box if there was one I never installed MySQL before and I already have a mysql user but I

freebsd- Newby question

2004-06-08 Thread LW Ellis
I am trying to learn unix. I need a recommendation for a good beginers book (eg: Unix for dummies) I install Freebsd on an old desktop, but I have never used unix, and need a starting point. Thanx Later, Leon A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Sir Winston

[OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Charles Swiger
On Jun 8, 2004, at 5:06 PM, Bernt. H wrote: No need to guess, use an amp-meter. :-) Well If it measure trueRMS then you could use it, otherwise no. You are correct that one needs to measure the voltage and use the RMS value, or DC series equivalent if you like that phrase, in order to figure

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