Improper shutdown of system / Fragmentation Problems / Boot logs
I am kinda new to FBSD, still kinda learning stuff. Anyway, when my system boots i see all kinda fragmentation information. How do I correct this? Any good reading material? Also, what should I do when I shutdown my system incorrectly and boot up again? Last questions! I promise. Is there a file that shows the data printed to screen durning boot? Probably, a log file. Thanks guys, Bruce ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Improper shutdown of system / Fragmentation Problems / Boot logs
Fragmentation is a non-event in 99.999% of cases. It is nothing like micro$lop fragments and (before you ask, no there is no defrag tool, 'cos it is not required) The shutdown question -- well you should not shutdown incorrectly ;-) - see man shutdown and friends (BTW - letting the FreeBSD box run and run and run wont hurt anything. I'm currently up to 72 days uptime since I last updated the system, and we had a machine that got to 698 days here at work .. we had to move buildings and thus shut it down..) for the last question the file you want is /var/run/dmesg.boot which is the boot output from the most recent boot. You can also see it by issuing the command dmesg but the display that this one shows can get over written as the system does other log messages. Hope this helps mjt On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 16:01, Bruce Hunter wrote: I am kinda new to FBSD, still kinda learning stuff. Anyway, when my system boots i see all kinda fragmentation information. How do I correct this? Any good reading material? Also, what should I do when I shutdown my system incorrectly and boot up again? Last questions! I promise. Is there a file that shows the data printed to screen durning boot? Probably, a log file. Thanks guys, Bruce ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This Email has been scanned for Viruses by MailMarshal. -- Murray Taylor Special Projects Engineer - Bytecraft Systems Entertainment P: +61 3 8710 2555 F: +61 3 8710 2599 D: +61 3 9238 4275 M: +61 417 319 256 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit us on the web http://www.bytecraftsystems.com http://www.bytecraftentertainment.com This Email has been scanned for Viruses by MailMarshal. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Improper shutdown of system / Fragmentation Problems / Boot logs
This is off topic, I was wondering if there is a pretty little gui that will run when booting. Kinda like windows, lindows, and even Redhat Fedora has one; which can be switched back and forth. Basically, so I don't have to see the text scrolling down and just see a loader with %. Maybe in the ports collection? If not I might have write one. :oP Oh, and thanks for your comments/answers. One last question thought? How do I get rid of that fragmentation crap? Just for shits and giggles.. ;o) Bruce On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 02:09, Murray Taylor wrote: Fragmentation is a non-event in 99.999% of cases. It is nothing like micro$lop fragments and (before you ask, no there is no defrag tool, 'cos it is not required) The shutdown question -- well you should not shutdown incorrectly ;-) - see man shutdown and friends (BTW - letting the FreeBSD box run and run and run wont hurt anything. I'm currently up to 72 days uptime since I last updated the system, and we had a machine that got to 698 days here at work .. we had to move buildings and thus shut it down..) for the last question the file you want is /var/run/dmesg.boot which is the boot output from the most recent boot. You can also see it by issuing the command dmesg but the display that this one shows can get over written as the system does other log messages. Hope this helps mjt On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 16:01, Bruce Hunter wrote: I am kinda new to FBSD, still kinda learning stuff. Anyway, when my system boots i see all kinda fragmentation information. How do I correct this? Any good reading material? Also, what should I do when I shutdown my system incorrectly and boot up again? Last questions! I promise. Is there a file that shows the data printed to screen durning boot? Probably, a log file. Thanks guys, Bruce ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This Email has been scanned for Viruses by MailMarshal. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fstab
Joshua Lewis wrote: /dev/ad1s1 what? a, d, e, f,g ?? Do I specify? I am using the whole drive. should I change it to /dev/ad1s1a? Thank you, Joshua Lewis Anubis Joshua Lewis wrote: The last time I edited this file my system ceased to boot. I have made what looks to me like a valid entry. This is the same thing I entered in last time. I am not going to save this but does it look valid to anyone out there? # DeviceMountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/ad0s1b noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad0s1f /tmpufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1g /usrufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1e /varufs rw 2 2 /dev/acd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/acd1c /cdrom1 cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 This is the line I added /dev/ad1s1 /disk2 ufs rw 2 2 proc/proc procfs rw 0 0 /dev/ad1s1 what? a, d, e, f,g ?? asuming that you have done the whole fdisk/disklabel/newfs you can list the contents of /dev thus, ls /dev to find out. It will be ad1s1d or something like that ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boot GUI / Boot data and process / Fragmentation
This is off topic, I was wondering if there is a pretty little gui that will run when booting. Kinda like windows, lindows, and even Redhat Fedora has one; which can be switched back and forth. Basically, so I don't have to see the text scrolling down and just see a loader with %. Maybe in the ports collection? If not I might have write one. :oP Oh, and thanks for your comments/answers. One last question thought? How do I get rid of that fragmentation crap? Just for shits and giggles.. ;o) Bruce ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boot GUI / Boot data and process / Fragmentation
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 12:03 am, Bruce Hunter wrote: This is off topic, I was wondering if there is a pretty little gui that will run when booting. Kinda like windows, lindows, and even Redhat Fedora has one; which can be switched back and forth. Basically, so I don't have to see the text scrolling down and just see a loader with %. Maybe in the ports collection? If not I might have write one. :oP Windows only hides the boot. Press the esc key and it kills the splash screen. Why does it matter. I start a boot and go get a cup of coffee, it is always finished when I get back. It is only a problem if you make it into one :). Oh, and thanks for your comments/answers. One last question thought? How do I get rid of that fragmentation crap? Just for shits and giggles.. ;o) There isn't one. Unix fixes fragmented files without your help. The only thing you need to know is fsck -y from single user mode to fix a bad shutdown. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boot GUI / Boot data and process / Fragmentation
Thanks for your help Kent I read something about using portversion -c with the portupgrade command to upgrade installed pkgs that needed to be updated. When I run portversion -c :: I get a print out of things needed to be upgraded and at the end, it shows a 'if' statment. How do you use this command with portupgrade so it just updates them instead of just showing me. Just do it dang it... just do it! ;o) Bruce.. On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 03:26, Kent Stewart wrote: On Tuesday 08 June 2004 12:03 am, Bruce Hunter wrote: This is off topic, I was wondering if there is a pretty little gui that will run when booting. Kinda like windows, lindows, and even Redhat Fedora has one; which can be switched back and forth. Basically, so I don't have to see the text scrolling down and just see a loader with %. Maybe in the ports collection? If not I might have write one. :oP Windows only hides the boot. Press the esc key and it kills the splash screen. Why does it matter. I start a boot and go get a cup of coffee, it is always finished when I get back. It is only a problem if you make it into one :). Oh, and thanks for your comments/answers. One last question thought? How do I get rid of that fragmentation crap? Just for shits and giggles.. ;o) There isn't one. Unix fixes fragmented files without your help. The only thing you need to know is fsck -y from single user mode to fix a bad shutdown. Kent ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gnome problems
Hello to you all, I am new to freeBSD and this mailing list. I have run into some problems and am not sure where to post my question. I am running FreeBSD 5.2 i386 and am having some problems getting gnome to work. I have searched through the handbook and several other text books but am still stuck. When I am logged in as root X11 and gnome start fine when I type 'startx', when I am logged in as a normal user I type 'startx' and only X11 starts. I have followed the instructions in the handbook and modified /root/.xsession. any help or direction to other resources would be great. Thanks Brett _ Get a Credit Card - 60 sec online response: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;8097459;9106288;b?http://www.anz.com/aus/promo/qantas5000ninemsn [AU only] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virtual memory allocation
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 08:34:24AM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: My colleague is trying to find the maximum amount of virtual memory that FreeBSD is able to allocate to a program. He's trying 4*1020*1024*1024 for kern.maxdsiz and FreeBSD fries up. On i386 the CPU can only address 4GB of memory, including memory allocated to the kernel, so you can't go this high (except maybe if you use PAE, but you still can't go above 4GB). I think about 2GB is the limit on i386 without special tuning. Kris pgpyWq3QPR3En.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: gnome problems
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 09:40, n3rdBoy . wrote: When I am logged in as root X11 and gnome start fine when I type 'startx', when I am logged in as a normal user I type 'startx' and only X11 starts. I have followed the instructions in the handbook and modified /root/.xsession. any help or direction to other resources would be great. Hi! Just copy your .xsession file for root into the home folder of the user you want to use Gnome for or use gdm. Having said that there is a lot of information regarding updating Gnome which you can find at http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/. It would be wise of you to check the FAQ's at this site for important information. The Gnome mailing list is [EMAIL PROTECTED] where all questions regarding Gnome on FreeBSD should be posted. Cheers, -- Nelis Lamprecht PGP: http://www.8ball.co.za/pgpkey/nelis.asc Unix IS user friendly.. It's just selective about who its friends are. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: gnome problems
Try to move /root/.xinitrc to /home/you/ It should work. ;) On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 07:40:05 +, n3rdBoy . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to you all, I am new to freeBSD and this mailing list. I have run into some problems and am not sure where to post my question. I am running FreeBSD 5.2 i386 and am having some problems getting gnome to work. I have searched through the handbook and several other text books but am still stuck. When I am logged in as root X11 and gnome start fine when I type 'startx', when I am logged in as a normal user I type 'startx' and only X11 starts. I have followed the instructions in the handbook and modified /root/.xsession. any help or direction to other resources would be great. Thanks Brett _ Get a Credit Card - 60 sec online response: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;8097459;9106288;b?http://www.anz.com/aus/promo/qantas5000ninemsn [AU only] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boot GUI / Boot data and process / Fragmentation
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 12:37 am, Bruce Hunter wrote: Thanks for your help Kent I read something about using portversion -c with the portupgrade command to upgrade installed pkgs that needed to be updated. When I run portversion -c :: I get a print out of things needed to be upgraded and at the end, it shows a 'if' statment. How do you use this command with portupgrade so it just updates them instead of just showing me. Just do it dang it... just do it! ;o) I'm not the one to ask because I use the -c and do them one at a time. The portupgrade option -rRa will do some of it. I just want it to do it at my convience and choosing :). I also have an AMD 2400+ that sits off to the side of my computer desk and I build everything on it. The problem with the -c list is that it doesn't build dependancies first. The -rRa will do that but I also create packages and adding p to build packages creates a lie. Portupgrade repackages everything but doesn't rebuild everything. So, you think you have a current build but only have a current package. They aren't the same thing :). One point I was going to make about the booting. It is as clean and mean a process as you can create. Anything you add will only slow it down. Given a choice of a quick boot or a pretty one, I will go for speed everytime :). Kent Bruce.. On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 03:26, Kent Stewart wrote: On Tuesday 08 June 2004 12:03 am, Bruce Hunter wrote: This is off topic, I was wondering if there is a pretty little gui that will run when booting. Kinda like windows, lindows, and even Redhat Fedora has one; which can be switched back and forth. Basically, so I don't have to see the text scrolling down and just see a loader with %. Maybe in the ports collection? If not I might have write one. :oP Windows only hides the boot. Press the esc key and it kills the splash screen. Why does it matter. I start a boot and go get a cup of coffee, it is always finished when I get back. It is only a problem if you make it into one :). Oh, and thanks for your comments/answers. One last question thought? How do I get rid of that fragmentation crap? Just for shits and giggles.. ;o) There isn't one. Unix fixes fragmented files without your help. The only thing you need to know is fsck -y from single user mode to fix a bad shutdown. Kent ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
fetch problem
on FreeBSD 4.6 fetch from perl script in /etc/Crontab not working (it is update.pl for drWeb antivirus), message fetch: operation timeout received, from console fetch also not operate, but the same perl script running from console operate OK please where is problem? --- Vilo Kyjac netadmin SMU Bratislava Slovakia tel: +421-2-60294666 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/usr/ports/www/linux-mozillafirebird
Hi all, I have been using /usr/ports/www/firefox for sometime now. Recently I installed /usr/ports/www/linux-mozillafirebird to experiment with some of the plugins. Something that I noticed was that linux-mozillafirebird is blazingly fast compared to firefox. I'm talking about the speed at which it loads pages is _significantly_ faster than that of firefox. Can anyone suggest reasons for this ? I'm tempted to use /usr/ports/www/linux-mozillafirebird permanently ! - aW ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Buildworld and turning of debugging to speed up the system
Currently I am running 5.2.1 I am doing a buildworld, buildkernel,installkernel, installworld Whatever you want to call it. I read something about turning off debugging in the current release and how it will help to speed up my system. How the heck would I go about doing this? Does it have to do with adding lines to /etec/make.conf ? Have no idea.. Bruce ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /usr/ports/www/linux-mozillafirebird
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 01:02 am, Wilkinson, Alex wrote: Hi all, I have been using /usr/ports/www/firefox for sometime now. Recently I installed /usr/ports/www/linux-mozillafirebird to experiment with some of the plugins. Something that I noticed was that linux-mozillafirebird is blazingly fast compared to firefox. I'm talking about the speed at which it loads pages is _significantly_ faster than that of firefox. Can anyone suggest reasons for this ? Not without seeing the build. One of the mozilla options is WITH_OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS, which sets -O2. That could be one of your reasons. I don't know if that option works on the port you are interested in. I also don't have any other ideas. I'm tempted to use /usr/ports/www/linux-mozillafirebird permanently ! I use the FreeBSD native version of Mozilla-1.6 and not any of the Linux versions. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fetch problem
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 10:04:23AM +0200, Viliam Kyjac wrote: on FreeBSD 4.6 fetch from perl script in /etc/Crontab not working (it is update.pl for drWeb antivirus), message fetch: operation timeout received, from console fetch also not operate, but the same perl script running from console operate OK please where is problem? Could well be something to do with: a) active vs passive mode FTP -- some firewalls will force you to use passive mode: symptom is that you can connect to the remote FTP server, but as soon as you try and get a directory listing or retreive a file, everything freezes up. Check and see if FTP_PASSIVE_MODE is set in your console environment. It won't be set in the environment the cron(8) generates for the scripts it runs, so if you need it, either set it from within the script, or use the '-p' option on the fetch(1) command line. b) Similarly, you may need to use a proxy server to access remote HTTP or FTP sites. That involves setting 'FTP_PROXY' and/or 'HTTP_PROXY' environment variables in the same way as above. See fetch(3) for details of what environment settings there are to play with. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK pgpqIKuBJld63.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Dangerous file system / disk problem
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 05:20, Ben Paley wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 16:44, Malcolm Kay wrote: Notice the size recorded for this slice is zero. If the cylinders=155061 heads=16 sectors/track=63 is somewhere near the reasonable possible geometry description then virtually the entire disk has been allocated to the FreeBSD slice. Yes it is, all of it (or, all of it that I could withot going 'dangerously dedicated'). I have never had any intention of putting Windows on this disk. I think W98 just assumed it 'cos it was the primary master. I now have a clearer impression of the situation. I had erroneously understood windows was actually running from that slice and that it must have really been bigger than it appeared. But seriously, does any of this suggest a course of action to you? I'm planning to try the set sysid to 0 plan... what if that doesn't work? Sounds like an excellent idea. Perhaps windows is seeing the slice as a fs it knows about but finds it unformatted, so is offering to do that for you. So maybe setting sysid to zero (which I think registers as an undefined slice) will stop windows making the offer. Whatever else I can't see how this would make the situation worse. Good luck, Malcolm ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Buildworld and turning of debugging to speed up the system
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 04:48:25AM -0400, Bruce Hunter wrote: Currently I am running 5.2.1 I am doing a buildworld, buildkernel,installkernel, installworld Whatever you want to call it. I read something about turning off debugging in the current release and how it will help to speed up my system. How the heck would I go about doing this? Does it have to do with adding lines to /etec/make.conf ? There are various kernel options -- WITNESS, INVARIANTS etc. that act as debugging aids, but that slow down the system. The GENERIC kernel in -CURRENT has those turned on by default. However, you are running 5.2.1-RELEASE. The good news is, all of those debugging things are already turned off by default. You don't need to do anything more. There are some debugging flags you can set in /etc/make.conf, but generally those will have no effect on the performance of your system. Unless you take steps to prevent it, all debugging symbols are stripped out of the installed binaries when you do a make installword. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK pgpGgjGZUfF3r.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Dangerous file system / disk problem
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 10:38, Malcolm Kay wrote: On Tuesday 08 June 2004 05:20, Ben Paley wrote: But seriously, does any of this suggest a course of action to you? I'm planning to try the set sysid to 0 plan... what if that doesn't work? Sounds like an excellent idea. Perhaps windows is seeing the slice as a fs it knows about but finds it unformatted, so is offering to do that for you. So maybe setting sysid to zero (which I think registers as an undefined slice) will stop windows making the offer. Whatever else I can't see how this would make the situation worse. This is very comforting - I shall give it a go and let you know how it comes out. Cheers, Ben ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Help: After installing linux, I can no longer boot my freebsd...
Hi, I have a 20gb harddisk with 3 primary partitions: 1st: DOS 2nd: Freebsd 3rd: reserved for linux and an extended partition(which contains my windows files) Before installing linux.. I can see this at freebsd boot manager menu F1:DOS F3:Freebsd After installing linux and lilo.. F1:DOS F2:Freebsd(F3 before) F4:linux I have successfully edited the boot.ini of windows and be able to boot into it, same as with linux but.. when I press F2 to boot into my freebsd.. it stops in the middle of device detection process and it shows Manual root filesystem specification fstype:device mountroot I tried typing ufs:/dev/ad0s1a but it still won't boot.. What I did was to delete entire the linux installation and the partition aloted to it so now I can only see this at boot time: F1:DOS F2:Freebsd Any idea what happened? Do you know what should I type in the mountroot prompt? __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
USB 2.0 reporting 1.000MB/s transfers?
Hello, I am troubleshooting a Plextor 708UF DVD burner[0] on FreeBSD CURRENT: neely:/home/richard$ uname -a FreeBSD neely.taosecurity.com 5.2-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT #1: Sat Jun 5 20:35:43 EDT 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/neely i386 The box is a Shuttle SB52G2[1] with built-in USB 2.0 ports and an Adaptec DuoConnect FireWire/USB 2.0 PCI adapter.[2] dmesg reports it as NEC uPD 9210 USB controller. My entire dmesg and kernel config output are below, but I seem to only get 1 MB/s as reported by dmesg: cd1 at sbp0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 cd1: PLEXTOR DVDR PX-708A 1.06 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd1: 50.000MB/s transfers cd1: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present - tray closed The kernel has ehci compiled into it. Any ideas? Hopefully I missed something obvious. Thank you, Richard [0] http://www.plextor.com/english/products/708UF.html [1] http://us.shuttle.com/specs2.asp?pro_id=264 [2] http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/proddetail.html?sess=nolanguage=English+USprodkey=AUA-3020cat=%2fTechnology%2fUSB%2fUSB+%26+FireWire+Combo+Cards entire dmesg output: Copyright (c) 1992-2004 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT #1: Sat Jun 5 20:35:43 EDT 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/neely Preloaded elf kernel /boot/kernel/kernel at 0xc0953000. Preloaded elf module /boot/kernel/acpi.ko at 0xc09531f4. Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz (1996.60-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0xf27 Stepping = 7 Features=0xbfebfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CM OV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE real memory = 528416768 (503 MB) avail memory = 507400192 (483 MB) random: entropy source, Software, Yarrow Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled npx0: [FAST] npx0: math processor on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface acpi0: IntelR AWRDACPI on motherboard acpi0: [GIANT-LOCKED] pcibios: BIOS version 2.10 acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter ACPI-fast frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: 24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz port 0x408-0x40b on acpi0 cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0 acpi_tz0: Thermal Zone on acpi0 acpi_button0: Power Button on acpi0 pcib0: ACPI Host-PCI bridge port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: ACPI PCI bus on pcib0 pcib0: slot 2 INTA is routed to irq 11 pcib0: slot 29 INTA is routed to irq 11 pcib0: slot 29 INTB is routed to irq 5 pcib0: slot 29 INTC is routed to irq 10 pcib0: slot 29 INTD is routed to irq 9 pcib0: slot 31 INTB is routed to irq 9 pcib0: slot 31 INTB is routed to irq 9 agp0: Intel 82845G (845G GMCH) SVGA controller mem 0xe820-0xe827,0xe000 -0xe7ff irq 11 at device 2.0 on pci0 agp0: detected 8060k stolen memory agp0: aperture size is 128M uhci0: Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-A port 0xd800-0xd81f irq 11 at device 29.0 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-A on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-B port 0xd000-0xd01f irq 5 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb1: Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-B on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-C port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 10 at device 29.2 on pci0 uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb2: Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-C on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ehci0: EHCI (generic) USB 2.0 controller mem 0xe828-0xe82803ff irq 9 at device 29.7 on pci0 ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ehci_pci_attach: companion usb0 ehci_pci_attach: companion usb1 ehci_pci_attach: companion usb2 usb3: EHCI version 1.0 usb3: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb0 usb1 usb2 usb3: EHCI (generic) USB 2.0 controller on ehci0 usb3: USB revision 2.0 uhub3: Intel EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub3: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered pcib1: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 30.0 on pci0 pci1: ACPI PCI bus on pcib1 pcib1: slot 9 INTA is routed to irq 5 pcib1: slot 10 INTA is routed to irq 10 pcib2: PCI-PCI bridge at device 5.0 on pci1 pci2: PCI bus on pcib2 pcib1: slot 5 INTA is routed to irq 9 pcib2: slot 8 INTA is routed to irq 9 pcib1: slot 5 INTB is routed to irq 10 pcib2: slot 8 INTB is routed to irq 10 pcib1: slot 5 INTC is routed to irq 5 pcib2: slot 8 INTC is routed to irq 5 pcib1: slot 5 INTA is routed to irq 9 pcib2: slot 12 INTA is routed to irq 9 ohci0: NEC uPD 9210 USB controller mem 0xe8007000-0xe8007fff irq 9 at device 8.0 on pci2 ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb4: OHCI
problems with LDAP TLS and nss_ldap on 5.2.1
I have upgraded our LDAP server to 5.2.1Release running openldap-2.1.30 server/client + pam_ldap-1.6.9 + nss_ldap-1.204_5. The previous configuration (openldap20-2.0.25_4 + nss_ldap-1.204_1 + pam_ldap-1.6.1) was runing OK on FreeBSD 5.1R After the upgrade I have 2 major problems. 1) I'm not able to make the ldap server to work with TLS. The previous installation worked fine but I haven't properly backed up TLS certificates and I had to generate them again using the approach described at http://www.openldap.org/faq/data/cache/185.html As soon as I add these TLS options to the slapd.conf: # TLS options for slapd TLSCipherSuite HIGH:MEDIUM:+SSLv2 TLSCACertificateFile /usr/local/etc/openldap/cacert.pem TLSCertificateFile /usr/local/etc/openldap/servercrt.pem TLSCertificateKeyFile /usr/local/etc/openldap/servercrt.pem ... running /etc/rc.d/slapd start doesn't even start the server but doesn't complain either. So I have no clue what's going wrong and right now I have to run the server without TLS. 2) The second problem is with nss_ldap. I have installed the server first, loaded data to the directory, tried some searches etc. Everything worked OK (except for the TLS). Nomaly, the startup of the server takes about 1 second. As soon as I install nss_ldap (in the very moment I run make install on that port) the startup time of the ldap server slows down to 30+ seconds and I also experienced cases when it didn't start at all. If I deinstall the nss_ldap the server startup is quick again. Any ideas of what can be wrong in either case would be really welcome. Thanks Mira ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boot GUI / Boot data and process / Fragmentation
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 04:03:31 -0400, Bruce Hunter wrote: This is off topic, I was wondering if there is a pretty little gui that will run when booting. man splash In my /boot/loader.conf I haver: splash_bmp_load=YES bitmap_load=YES bitmap_name=/boot/daemon_640.bmp qvb -- pica ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Improper shutdown of system / Fragmentation Problems / Boot logs
On 08/06/04 02:21 -0400, Bruce Hunter wrote: This is off topic, I was wondering if there is a pretty little gui that will run when booting. Kinda like windows, lindows, and even Redhat Fedora has one; which can be switched back and forth. Basically, so I don't have to see the text scrolling down and just see a loader with %. Maybe in the ports collection? If not I might have write one. :oP Hi Bruce, Here are the first 2 google results for 'FreeBSD boot splash' http://www.baldwin.cx/splash/ http://students.seattleu.edu/hodeleri/FreeBSD/boot.html If you want a graphical boot manager, install grub from ports. This is the boot manager that most Linux distros use, and it's easy to insert your own nifty splash screen in the background. Oh, and thanks for your comments/answers. One last question thought? How do I get rid of that fragmentation crap? Just for shits and giggles.. ;o) Bruce Why would you want to? I imagine that you would change the source somewhere in /usr/src/sys. I'm not intimate with the source other than your basic make world, so I couldn't tell you where. One other thing that was not mentioned is that the FreeBSD kernel will change the way files are stored on disk if it notices that the fs is getting too fragmented. You will see some kernel message like '/kernel fs: optimization changed from TIME to SPACE'. When the fs is no longer fragmented the kernel switches back to the time optimization. I don't really remember the exact message, since I haven't seen it in a while. Cheers, Jason On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 02:09, Murray Taylor wrote: Fragmentation is a non-event in 99.999% of cases. It is nothing like micro$lop fragments and (before you ask, no there is no defrag tool, 'cos it is not required) The shutdown question -- well you should not shutdown incorrectly ;-) - see man shutdown and friends (BTW - letting the FreeBSD box run and run and run wont hurt anything. I'm currently up to 72 days uptime since I last updated the system, and we had a machine that got to 698 days here at work .. we had to move buildings and thus shut it down..) for the last question the file you want is /var/run/dmesg.boot which is the boot output from the most recent boot. You can also see it by issuing the command dmesg but the display that this one shows can get over written as the system does other log messages. Hope this helps mjt On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 16:01, Bruce Hunter wrote: I am kinda new to FBSD, still kinda learning stuff. Anyway, when my system boots i see all kinda fragmentation information. How do I correct this? Any good reading material? Also, what should I do when I shutdown my system incorrectly and boot up again? Last questions! I promise. Is there a file that shows the data printed to screen durning boot? Probably, a log file. Thanks guys, Bruce ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This Email has been scanned for Viruses by MailMarshal. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Improper shutdown of system / Fragmentation Problems / Boot logs
[It's not generally good policy to ask multiple questions in one email. As crazy as it sounds, you're better off sending a seperate email for each question. See http://www.lemis.com/questions.html] Bruce Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is off topic, I was wondering if there is a pretty little gui that will run when booting. Kinda like windows, lindows, and even Redhat Fedora has one; which can be switched back and forth. Basically, so I don't have to see the text scrolling down and just see a loader with %. Maybe in the ports collection? If not I might have write one. :oP See the various documents on boot splash screens. man splash on your FreeBSD system is the best reference I know of, although a google search is likely to turn up more. I don't know of anything more advanced than that. You may have to write it ;) Oh, and thanks for your comments/answers. One last question thought? How do I get rid of that fragmentation crap? Just for shits and giggles.. ;o) Just keep using your system. UFS manages fragmentation during normal usage. However, fragmentation is not what you think it is. If you tried to evaluate a UFS file system compared to Windows idea of fragmentation, it would look fragmented as hell, but UFS does this in a controlled manner that is intended to maintain high-performance, and correcting it would actually be counter- productive. UFS fragmentation is the act of breaking down storage units into smaller ones to accomodate files of uneven sizes, and I don't know of any way to prevent this other than deleting such files. See /usr/share/doc/papers/diskperf.ascii.gz for a more technical explanation of how things work. Bruce On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 02:09, Murray Taylor wrote: Fragmentation is a non-event in 99.999% of cases. It is nothing like micro$lop fragments and (before you ask, no there is no defrag tool, 'cos it is not required) The shutdown question -- well you should not shutdown incorrectly ;-) - see man shutdown and friends (BTW - letting the FreeBSD box run and run and run wont hurt anything. I'm currently up to 72 days uptime since I last updated the system, and we had a machine that got to 698 days here at work .. we had to move buildings and thus shut it down..) for the last question the file you want is /var/run/dmesg.boot which is the boot output from the most recent boot. You can also see it by issuing the command dmesg but the display that this one shows can get over written as the system does other log messages. Hope this helps mjt On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 16:01, Bruce Hunter wrote: I am kinda new to FBSD, still kinda learning stuff. Anyway, when my system boots i see all kinda fragmentation information. How do I correct this? Any good reading material? Also, what should I do when I shutdown my system incorrectly and boot up again? Last questions! I promise. Is there a file that shows the data printed to screen durning boot? Probably, a log file. Thanks guys, Bruce ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This Email has been scanned for Viruses by MailMarshal. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Leaving a server on all day
I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of power? Is it true that the heat buildup in a home system (rather than a heavily fanned commercial system) will kill the drives faster and this is a good reason to turn it off during the day when I am not home? jm -- My other computer is your windows box. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Correction: USB 2.0 reporting 1.000MB/s transfers?
Hello, I included the wrong dmesg snippet in my original post. When I showed the following, I used an excerpt for the DVD burner connected via _FireWire_: -- cd1 at sbp0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 cd1: PLEXTOR DVDR PX-708A 1.06 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd1: 50.000MB/s transfers cd1: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present - tray closed -- As the complete dmesg from the first post showed, with _USB_ I only get 1.000MB/s: cd2 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 cd2: PLEXTOR DVDR PX-708A 1.06 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd2: 1.000MB/s transfers cd2: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present - tray closed Sorry for the confusion! Thank you, Richard __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Jun 8, 2004, at 8:21 AM, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of power? Not necessarily. If you want to measure it, make sure you have a decent UPS (which I'd recommend for ANY desktop setup) and most UPSs now have a monitoring utility or tool available (or load meter on the front) that will give you an idea how much power is being used. The most I'd do is turn off the monitor...that probably uses most energy if it's not an LCD. You can get figures from the power supply of the wattage and figure out what the MOST energy use would be for your area's rate with your last electric bill. It would all depend on how many drives/fans/etc. you have running all the time, but overall I wouldn't think that one computer is that big of a drain. Is it true that the heat buildup in a home system (rather than a heavily fanned commercial system) will kill the drives faster and this is a good reason to turn it off during the day when I am not home? As long as it has all it's cooling fans working and the room doesn't get too hot, it should be okay. If you're worried you can add more cooling fans. I keep a small air conditioner in the room (it's a small room where my systems are) running for summer days. Will it kill the drives faster? Well, *using* it will shorten it's lifespan. It all depends on how valuable the data is...make backups of important data, or for me, I keep a RAID system set up (not that it's a backup...I'm protecting against drive failure as a loss of data). Or get another computer and configure a RAIC...redundant array of inexpensive computers :-) save data to multiple systems periodically. All depends on your setup and how important your data is. Personally I have a Win9x system at home that's been abused since college (old PII 350 with a TV card) and a Linux desktop from Pogo that I use as a server, with IDE Raid in it...but it's just a modified desktop system. Works like a champ so far, both are running 24/7 with the Windows machine getting rebooted once every other day or so. UNIX systems prefer not getting rebooted...they do Cron chores at night for housekeeping, and UNIX was made with being run constantly in mind. I'd advise NOT shutting down Unix systems unless there's a particular reason to do so, and configure your network/computers to try to keep data loss from failure of a component as a minimal worry; backups and software RAID may be good options. but that's just me. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wisdom of automating upgrades
The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in software or hardware, but in support. I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, so that sources are cvsup'ed nightly and make buildworld buildkernel etc and portupgrade happen overnight maybe once a week or month - and perhaps every day a security fix is announced. Windows and Mac users are accustomed to automatic software updates on server products as well as desktops, so there is a competitive issue here. I've persuaded a number of companies to switch to FreeBSD and want to ensure the commercial logic of doing so is as complete as possible. cvsup'ing overnight is routine and fine. The make build/install stuff seems a bit more delicate. I'm happy that I have figured out how to automate this, but not _whether_ I should do so. I am of course only considering tracking RELENG_4 at this stage. Ports are perhaps more likely to be problematic (though less likely to be a blocker to remote fixing than a failure to boot). Having said that, deprecation of versions and ports is fairly rare and keeping track of a small group in common use is feasible. I'd be grateful for any input on this. I can picture waking up to find that every machine I administrate is simultaneously *#!$%ed one morning. On the other hand, I like to provide the best value I can for clients and at the moment I have to charge for my time whenever an upgrade is necessary. Peter. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Peter Risdon wrote: The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in software or hardware, but in support. I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, so that sources are cvsup'ed nightly and make buildworld buildkernel etc and portupgrade happen overnight maybe once a week or month - and perhaps every day a security fix is announced. Windows and Mac users are accustomed to automatic software updates on server products as well as desktops, so there is a competitive issue here. I've persuaded a number of companies to switch to FreeBSD and want to ensure the commercial logic of doing so is as complete as possible. cvsup'ing overnight is routine and fine. The make build/install stuff seems a bit more delicate. I'm happy that I have figured out how to automate this, but not _whether_ I should do so. I am of course only considering tracking RELENG_4 at this stage. Ports are perhaps more likely to be problematic (though less likely to be a blocker to remote fixing than a failure to boot). Having said that, deprecation of versions and ports is fairly rare and keeping track of a small group in common use is feasible. I'd be grateful for any input on this. I can picture waking up to find that every machine I administrate is simultaneously *#!$%ed one morning. On the other hand, I like to provide the best value I can for clients and at the moment I have to charge for my time whenever an upgrade is necessary. You may want to have a look at freebsd-update. Its a binary updater, Client/Server config, the server code and info on what it is, is available from http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-update/ and the client is in ports. Vince Peter. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades
Peter Risdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in software or hardware, but in support. I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, so that sources are cvsup'ed nightly and make buildworld buildkernel etc and portupgrade happen overnight maybe once a week or month - and perhaps every day a security fix is announced. Windows and Mac users are accustomed to automatic software updates on server products as well as desktops, so there is a competitive issue here. I've persuaded a number of companies to switch to FreeBSD and want to ensure the commercial logic of doing so is as complete as possible. cvsup'ing overnight is routine and fine. The make build/install stuff seems a bit more delicate. I'm happy that I have figured out how to automate this, but not _whether_ I should do so. I am of course only considering tracking RELENG_4 at this stage. Why not just cvsup/buildworld/buildkernel nightly, and monitor the FreeBSD security advisory list. When a security problem is found, you only have to installworld/installkernel, which is usually pretty quick. Ports are perhaps more likely to be problematic (though less likely to be a blocker to remote fixing than a failure to boot). Having said that, deprecation of versions and ports is fairly rare and keeping track of a small group in common use is feasible. I'd be grateful for any input on this. I can picture waking up to find that every machine I administrate is simultaneously *#!$%ed one morning. On the other hand, I like to provide the best value I can for clients and at the moment I have to charge for my time whenever an upgrade is necessary. Install portaudit, which will include nightly audits of port problems in your daily run email. This takes the guesswork out of when to upgrade. By cvsupping the ports nightly, you only have to run portupgrade to get things updated. Because of the dependencies in ports (which can get rather complex) I wouldn't recommend automatically doing much with ports. BTW: the automatic upgrades thing that Mac and Windows claim is a lie. First off, it doesn't include installed software, so you can't compare it to ports. Secondly, most large companies that I'm aware of do NOT install Windows updates until they've tested the changes in the lab to ensure that said changes don't break more than they fix. On that count, I think FreeBSD is just as good, or better, than Windows or Mac. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Improper shutdown of system / Fragmentation Problems / Boot logs
I am kinda new to FBSD, still kinda learning stuff. Anyway, when my system boots i see all kinda fragmentation information. How do I correct this? Any good reading material? Do not correct it. It is not at all the same thing as fragmentation in Microsloth systems and is not a problem. There are some papers on the topic and I seem to remember something written up, maybe on onlamp.com or somewhere like that, that explain it fairly well. Do a little searching on UFS, FFS and fragmentation to accumulate some info. Also, what should I do when I shutdown my system incorrectly and boot up again? Use the shutdown(8) command to shut the system down. If it goes down improperly, such as in a power failure, generally the standard fsck(8) during the subsequent boot will take care of it. It is possible that a file or two gets too mangled or the root file system in unclean and then it will ask you to run fsck manually. Generally, then it will dump you right in to single user mode, but if not, then boot to single user mode and then run 'fsck -f' on each file system it can automatically recover starting with root (/) You may have to do some 'y' responses or if it is so much it is onerrous, then do 'fsck -fy' and it will assume a 'y' at every point. Then, when it is all cleaned up, just reboot. On rare occasions I have had to do the process twice. But anything more than that is a strong indicator that the hard drive itself is the problem and it is failing and only a replacement will solve the problem. Last questions! I promise. Is there a file that shows the data printed to screen durning boot? Probably, a log file. The dmesg(8) command will normally print out what you need. If the system has been up too long for it to go back far enough, then look in the file: /var/run/dmesg.boot jerry Thanks guys, Bruce ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of power? Is it true that the heat buildup in a home system (rather than a heavily fanned commercial system) will kill the drives faster and this is a good reason to turn it off during the day when I am not home? This is only my personal experience: I have got a PIII running all day for over 2 years now (my server): no problems and I am using just the small fan it came with. I had two AMD's (a K6 and now an Athlon): for both I had to buy bigger fans since they started doing strange things after a while. At work I have seen three IDE harddisks decease on workstations during the last four and a half years, but never a SCSI harddisk. These workstations are shut down and rebooted quite often. So *my* summary for your private server would be: - Leaving it on all day will not kill your harddisks, in the contrary: even cheap ones will live longer. - AMD processors tend to run hot, so if you have one, you should look for a good fan. Regards, Uli. jm -- My other computer is your windows box. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ |Peter Ulrich Kruppa| | Wuppertal | | Germany | +---+ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD.org e-mail addresses
Hello All! I have a strange question and I couldn't answer it myself in any documentation. Can I get some e-mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I can, what should I do or who should I be? I need this for working with FreeBSD people and mailing lists. My understanding is that you have to be an official committer to FreeBSD.That is a limited group. You can read up on how to become a committer on the FreeBSD web page. jerry ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leaving a server on all day
: So *my* summary for your private server would be: : - Leaving it on all day will not kill your harddisks, in the : contrary: even cheap ones will live longer. : - AMD processors tend to run hot, so if you have one, you should : look for a good fan. The guy who built mine installed 2 fans, plus the fan directly on the heatsink, of course. How about power usage? I'm wondering about my electric bill. ;-) jm -- My other computer is your Windows box. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leaving a server on all day
I also have an always-on headless server running for like 3 years now without any problem. I use it for: apache, samba, vpn, postfix (the usual server apps). I think the key is to use the minimal (translate: cooler, less power hungry) components. Mine is P2-400 with 5400 rpm HDDs. A UPS would be a nice addition. The ONLY issue I have is it takes a few *days* to do portupgrade -ar ;-) maybe I should just remove all the X stuff. -cs Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote: On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of power? Is it true that the heat buildup in a home system (rather than a heavily fanned commercial system) will kill the drives faster and this is a good reason to turn it off during the day when I am not home? This is only my personal experience: I have got a PIII running all day for over 2 years now (my server): no problems and I am using just the small fan it came with. I had two AMD's (a K6 and now an Athlon): for both I had to buy bigger fans since they started doing strange things after a while. At work I have seen three IDE harddisks decease on workstations during the last four and a half years, but never a SCSI harddisk. These workstations are shut down and rebooted quite often. So *my* summary for your private server would be: - Leaving it on all day will not kill your harddisks, in the contrary: even cheap ones will live longer. - AMD processors tend to run hot, so if you have one, you should look for a good fan. Regards, Uli. jm -- My other computer is your windows box. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ |Peter Ulrich Kruppa| | Wuppertal | | Germany | +---+ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades
Hi folks, This is an interesting topic. On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Peter Risdon wrote: The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in software or hardware, but in support. I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, so that sources are cvsup'ed nightly and make buildworld buildkernel etc and portupgrade happen overnight maybe once a week or month - and perhaps every day a security fix is announced. Windows and Mac users are accustomed to automatic software updates on server products as well as desktops, so there is a competitive issue here. I've persuaded a number of companies to switch to FreeBSD and want to ensure the commercial logic of doing so is as complete as possible. cvsup'ing overnight is routine and fine. The make build/install stuff seems a bit more delicate. I'm happy that I have figured out how to automate this, but not _whether_ I should do so. I am of course only considering tracking RELENG_4 at this stage. Ports are perhaps more likely to be problematic (though less likely to be a blocker to remote fixing than a failure to boot). Having said that, deprecation of versions and ports is fairly rare and keeping track of a small group in common use is feasible. I'd be grateful for any input on this. I can picture waking up to find that every machine I administrate is simultaneously *#!$%ed one morning. On the other hand, I like to provide the best value I can for clients and at the moment I have to charge for my time whenever an upgrade is necessary. You may want to have a look at freebsd-update. Its a binary updater, Client/Server config, the server code and info on what it is, is available from http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-update/ and the client is in ports. Is there a way updating all installed ports automatically wheneven the server/workstation is booted and connected to Internet, similar to ntp synchronizing the clock. B.R. Stephen Liu ___ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com.hk address at http://mail.english.yahoo.com.hk ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
F-Prot update errors
I install F-Prot from the ports. If I run check-updates.pl from the console I get a sucessful update everytime (or a nothing updates found message) but if I added the script into the crontab (via crontab -e as root) I get the following Email: *** * F-Prot Antivirus Updater* *** There's a new version of: Document/Office/Macro viruses signatures on the web. Starting to download... Download completed. Preparing to install Document/Office/Macro viruses signatures. unzip: not found Error trying to unzip: macrdef2.zip. Make sure unzip is installed and it's location is within your PATH variable Fatal error.Exiting... if I do a echo $path I get: /sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/games /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/X11R6/bin /root/bin if I do a which unzip I get: /usr/local/bin/unzip so unzip is clearly in the path... Anyone have any ideas? Here is my crontab string: 27 4,16 * * * /usr/local/f-prot/tools/check-updates.pl -cron ns1# uname -a FreeBSD ns1.valuedj.com 5.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE #0: Thu Mar 11 09:35:27 PST 2004 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:02:31 +0800 (CST) Stephen Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: Hi folks, This is an interesting topic. On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Peter Risdon wrote: The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in software or hardware, but in support. I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, so that sources are cvsup'ed nightly and make buildworld buildkernel etc and portupgrade happen overnight maybe once a week or month - and perhaps every day a security fix is announced. Windows and Mac users are accustomed to automatic software updates on server products as well as desktops, so there is a competitive issue here. I've persuaded a number of companies to switch to FreeBSD and want to ensure the commercial logic of doing so is as complete as possible. cvsup'ing overnight is routine and fine. The make build/install stuff seems a bit more delicate. I'm happy that I have figured out how to automate this, but not _whether_ I should do so. I am of course only considering tracking RELENG_4 at this stage. Ports are perhaps more likely to be problematic (though less likely to be a blocker to remote fixing than a failure to boot). Having said that, deprecation of versions and ports is fairly rare and keeping track of a small group in common use is feasible. I'd be grateful for any input on this. I can picture waking up to find that every machine I administrate is simultaneously *#!$%ed one morning. On the other hand, I like to provide the best value I can for clients and at the moment I have to charge for my time whenever an upgrade is necessary. You may want to have a look at freebsd-update. Its a binary updater, Client/Server config, the server code and info on what it is, is available from http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-update/ and the client is in ports. Is there a way updating all installed ports automatically wheneven the server/workstation is booted and connected to Internet, similar to ntp synchronizing the clock. B.R. Stephen Liu in theory it should be possible to write a script that runs portupgrade and then run it once at boot time from cron but I have never done it personally. I can see some potential for disaster if it is not done with extreme care. LukeK -- Luke Kearney [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fstab
The last time I edited this file my system ceased to boot. I have made what looks to me like a valid entry. This is the same thing I entered in last time. I am not going to save this but does it look valid to anyone out there? # DeviceMountpoint FStype Options DumpPass# /dev/ad0s1b noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad0s1f /tmpufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1g /usrufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1e /varufs rw 2 2 /dev/acd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/acd1c /cdrom1 cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 This is the line I added /dev/ad1s1 /disk2 ufs rw 2 2 Well, did you really create a file system on ad1s1 - the whole slice. Probably, best if you also go in to disklabel(8) and make at least one partition on that slice. do disklabel -e -r ad1s1 Edit the file. I think it should come up with a c: line that has a type called 'unused' (it has been quite a while since I added a virgin disk so my memory may be flakey here). It would look something like: c: 780598350unused0 0 # (Cyl.0 - 4858) Copy that c: line and hange it to something like: a: 7805983504.2BSD0 0 # (Cyl.0 - 4858) Leave all the numbers the same - just change the 'c:' to 'a:' and the 'unused' to '4.2BSD' Then use newfs(8) to create a filesystem on it: do newfs /dev/ad1s1a If the number of inodes it automatically creates or some other such thing doesn't suit you, then you will need to insert some parameters on the newfs command, but usually just the bare newfs like that will work just fine. and then put the following in your fstab: /dev/ad1s1a /disk2 ufs rw 2 2 I think you can talk to it as the whole slice without a partition but it is not the usual way and not worth bothering with so, just do as indicated. If you are using /stand/sysinstall to run the fdisk, disklabel and newfs commands for you, then make the related decisions - eg create one large slice for FreeBSD on the ad1 disk, don't make it bootable or have any MBR (that's fdisk), then partition the slice with just one partition (a), use the 'c' for create partition and then just put all the blocks in to it and make it a file system (FS) with the mount point you want to use (that covers the disklabel, newfs and editing fstab). Back out and select Commit and it should take care of everything else for you. Some prefer sysinstall but I generally prefer doing the fdisk, disklabel, newfs and fstab myself for disks beyond the initial install slice. It's that control thing. jerry proc/proc procfs rw 0 0 -- Thank you, Joshua ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Peter Risdon wrote: The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in software or hardware, but in support. I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, so that sources are cvsup'ed nightly and make buildworld buildkernel etc and portupgrade happen overnight maybe once a week or month - and perhaps every day a security fix is announced. [...] I'd be grateful for any input on this. I can picture waking up to find that every machine I administrate is simultaneously *#!$%ed one morning. This would be the necessary result of complete automatization, wouldn't it? Did you think about remote access? All administrative tasks on a FreeBSD system can be done via ssh from a text console. Thus you wouldn't have to be present personally, but keep full control of things. Regards, Uli. Peter. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ |Peter Ulrich Kruppa| | Wuppertal | | Germany | +---+ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades
Vince Hoffman wrote: On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Peter Risdon wrote: I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, You may want to have a look at freebsd-update. Its a binary updater, Client/Server config, the server code and info on what it is, is available from http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-update/ and the client is in ports. Vince Thanks very much for this. I was vaguely aware of freebsd-update (I think it's been mentioned on this list). But since it seems only to be concerned with security updates it forms a subset (albeit vital) of a complete upgrade. I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees many commits that are likely to be problematic. My experience of it, which is both fairly random and limited, is excellent. I don't remember having any problems with a kernel/world upgrade within a production branch. Doing a batch of upgrades today simultaneously and remotely, and all going fine as usual, made me think of this again. Peter. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades
Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote: On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Peter Risdon wrote: The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in software or hardware, but in support. I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, so that sources are cvsup'ed nightly and make buildworld buildkernel etc and portupgrade happen overnight maybe once a week or month - and perhaps every day a security fix is announced. [...] I'd be grateful for any input on this. I can picture waking up to find that every machine I administrate is simultaneously *#!$%ed one morning. This would be the necessary result of complete automatization, wouldn't it? That's the nub - is it the inevitable outcome? Did you think about remote access? All administrative tasks on a FreeBSD system can be done via ssh from a text console. Thus you wouldn't have to be present personally, but keep full control of things. Yes, that's what I normally do. Regards, Peter. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anti-Spam app for sendmail
Any comments on a good anti-spam app that works with sendmail for a mail server? -- Best regards, Chris ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISPs blocking SMTP connections from dynamic IP address space
On Mon, Jun 07, 2004, Bill Campbell wrote: On Mon, Jun 07, 2004, Jay Moore wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 10:29 am, Bill Moran wrote: Just make sure they are truly dynamic ips. Many people block ips identified as DSL connections. Those are not necessarily dynamic ip based. The easiest way I've found to learn if your IP address is listed, and who is listing it is: http://www.dnsstuff.com/ Telnet to port 25 of any of AOL's MX servers. You will get an immediate rejection notice if they think you're in residential DSL space: mailin-01.mx.aol.com mailin-02.mx.aol.com mailin-03.mx.aol.com mailin-04.mx.aol.com There is an excellent article in The Register on this very topic: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/04/trojan_spam_study/ Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!'' -- Emiliano Zapata. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Chiang Seng Chang wrote: I also have an always-on headless server running for like 3 years now without any problem. I use it for: apache, samba, vpn, postfix (the usual server apps). I think the key is to use the minimal (translate: cooler, less power hungry) components. Mine is P2-400 with 5400 rpm HDDs. A UPS would be a nice addition. The ONLY issue I have is it takes a few *days* to do portupgrade -ar ;-) maybe I should just remove all the X stuff. You really should do this. All your services are configured via text files anyway. Regards, Uli. +---+ |Peter Ulrich Kruppa| | Wuppertal | | Germany | +---+ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: port upgrades
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 00:45, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 09:01:15PM +, Daniela wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 19:35, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 07:14:34PM +, Daniela wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 17:28, Tim Traver wrote: Hi all, Is there a way to do a quick update of a particular port directory ??? I don't necessarily want to do the portupgrade, but just get the latest port files for a particular port. Right now, if i want to make sure the ports are up to date, I have to use sysinstall to download the entire port collection, which takes forever... Am I missing a quick utility to just check and make sure I have the latest port files for one at a time ? You could use CVSup to update just the directories you want, and you can also put this into the system crontab to periodically run it. That's pretty convenient. You _will_ run into problems if you only update parts of the ports collection. Well, I didn't mean upgrading of just one or two directories, but rather skipping directories such as the japanese ports if you don't speak japanese. Almost no ports depend on things in language-specific directories (at least not the ones I have installed). OK, but you still can't do some things like build an index because some things do still depend on those ports you're not upgrading. While we're on the subject, how do you build an index of the binary packages you have? I needed this a long time ago, when I created a custom FreeBSD installation CD-ROM, and I thought shellscript and hand-editing were the only ways to do it. Recursive fetching was a pain too, even with portupgrade. How do you gurus solve this? Daniela ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Legal question regarding products built with FreeBSD
Jason Richmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Whom it May Concern, I have built a NAS product that uses FreeBSD. I have customized the kernel and built a custom web interface. After reading through the FreeBSD legal section I am fairly certain that distribution of this product does not violate any licenses. Is there any way that I can verify that this is the case? I plan on having an attorney review this information. However, I thought that contacting FreeBSD directly would keep me from overlooking anything important. Legal disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, so this does not represent legal advice. I am not an official representative of FreeBSD, so my opinions are not the opinions of the FreeBSD or any related project. With that out of the way. No, you're not violating anything legally, doing what you say. I think I can speak for many FreeBSDers when I say: I hope your project is successful and lucrative. You are not obligated, legally or otherwise, to give anything back to the FreeBSD community if you are successful, in fact, you don't even have to admit to your customers that your product runs FreeBSD. However, we hope you will share your success with the FreeBSD community by proudly announcing that your product is based on FreeBSD, and donating some of the profits you make back to the community by doing such things as sponsoring developers such as Poul-Henning Kamp, or donating money or hardware to the FreeBSD Foundation. If you don't, however, at least come back and tell the FreeBSD community about your success, so we can feel good about what we've done. :) -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
make buildworld problem
Hello there, i don't know where to ask.. i have tried in many irc channels, but no one could help me.. so i'm trying to make buildworld, but there i get an error, always the same.. i have tried in fresh installed os, with GENERIC kernel and with my own, cvsup source and so on.. but nothing goes better.. I have read /usr/src/UPDATING.. and tried to follow rules. I put error log file in http://migla.ktu.lt/~cerberis/error .. maybe you can help me? thanks for time.. p.s. some info about system: 22:29:35 / # uname -a FreeBSD WD.kobra.ktu.lt 5.2.1-RELEASE-p8 FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p8 #5: Fri Jun 4 18:23:25 EEST 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WD i386 22:29:36 / # gcc --version gcc (GCC) 3.3.3 [FreeBSD] 20031106 22:29:52 / # cat /etc/make.conf # -- use.perl generated deltas -- # # Created: Thu Apr 22 19:02:38 2004 # Setting to use base perl from ports: PERL_VER=5.6.1 PERL_VERSION=5.6.1 PERL_ARCH=mach NOPERL=yo NO_PERL=yo NO_PERL_WRAPPER=yo 22:30:14 / # echo $PATH ./:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/root/bin:/stuff/bin:/usr/local/linux-ibm-jdk1.4.1/bin 22:33:36 / # cat /etc/supfile/source.sup *default host=cvsup2.lt.FreeBSD.org *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_5_2 *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress src-all ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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How do I install freebsd and another Os in a pc with 2gigabyte hdd disk eg Window XP and freebsd. How do I format a system that has freebsd 4.5 in it Thanks you and God bless __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ernesto Ortiz
I have been doing some research on FreeBSD and I want to use it as my OS but i have no idea on what files I need to download from the ftp sites. If anyone can help with my problem I would appreciate it a lot. I have a really good computer and I am sure that is more than capable of running FreeBSD...But I lack the understanding on what I need to get to install it in my PC. It depends a little on how you want to do the install. That further depends a little on the quality of your network connection. If your network connection is not very fast or you have trouble FTPing files, then you will probably want to download, burn and build from the -RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso and (possibly) -RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso files. In this case, everything you need to do an installation and even install a few of the most popular ports is on the CD[s]. Once you download them, you can proceed without using the net. If your network connection is reasonable and you don't have any trouble with ftp, then the easiest is to just download the -RELEASE-i386-miniinst.iso If you use the mini-iso, then the boot and install stuff is in the iso, but all the binaries, packages and ports skeleton are downloaded during the install process from the mirror site you specify during the install. The in the names above refers to the version number. So, if you want to load version 4.10 from the mini-iso, then it would be 4.10-RELEASE-i386-miniinst.iso Note that for releases 4.9 and earlier the mini-iso is xxx-mini.iso rather than xxx-miniinst.iso I am not sure what prompted the change. Just makes it harder to type accurately as far as I can see. So, ftp to ftp.freebsd.org, log in as anonymous with your Email address as password. Then cd to: pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ again where is the version you want. So for version 4.10 it is: pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/4.10 The iso images are all there. You might also want to download the CHECKSUM.MD5 file and use md5 to verify the integrety of the download. All the checksums for a particular release are in the one file and it is a straight text file. I normally choose to install over the net so I just download the mini-iso. But, I am fortunate in connections, having access to a university high speed links, but unfortunate in funds, due to the same university relationship. One further choice that is worth considering is to buy a preburned CD set from one of several vendors that package a set already for you. Usually that includes the CDs that you can get from FreeBSD, plus usually some additional CDs with some of the ports, plus most often a printed copy of the handbook or some other printed documentation. One special benefit of buying the CD set if you can is that most of these companies donate part of their receipts to the FreeBSD project. IF you buy the set, then you can install without having any network connection (or a bad one). jerry Thanks for your time. Sincerly Ernesto Ortiz ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leaving a server on all day
Well... X is not started automatically (a.k.a. no gdm/kdm)... sometimes I'd like to play with some X stuff... I know there are other solution, like build on a fast machine and install onto the slow one. I didn't bother because 1) the server is still working while the upgrade is taking it's own sweet time, and more importantly 2) I have no fast machine ;-) I put x11 into the ignore list in pkgtools.conf, but the recent perl 5.8 upgrade seems to ignore that and build everything anyway. -cs p.s. sorry have to resend this cos' toying with my postfix canonical settings... Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote: On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Chiang Seng Chang wrote: I also have an always-on headless server running for like 3 years now without any problem. I use it for: apache, samba, vpn, postfix (the usual server apps). I think the key is to use the minimal (translate: cooler, less power hungry) components. Mine is P2-400 with 5400 rpm HDDs. A UPS would be a nice addition. The ONLY issue I have is it takes a few *days* to do portupgrade -ar ;-) maybe I should just remove all the X stuff. You really should do this. All your services are configured via text files anyway. Regards, Uli. +---+ |Peter Ulrich Kruppa| | Wuppertal | | Germany | +---+ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fxp0: device timeout with thinkpad r40
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:45:09 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: Hey I've found some documented problems with this on google but nothing that really helped me. I have an IBM Thinkpad R40 and finding chipset information for it all the docs say that it's an Ethernet Driver(ya i know) so the best i've got is that it's intergrated into the motherboard. I even have the pdf manual with all hardware specs and all it says is the following: GAU: Intel PRO/Wireless Network Connection 802.11b, 56K14 modem, 10/100 Ethernet, BluetoothTM,15 G3U: 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet (Wi-Fi wireless upgradable with built-in antenna)GDU: IBM 11a/b Wi-Fi wireless, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet BAU: Intel PRO/Wireless Network Connection 802.11b, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet BSU: Cisco 802.11b, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet B4U: 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet (Wi-Fi wireless upgradable with built-in antenna) 5TU: Cisco 802.11b, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet 58U, 5JU, F2U: 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet (Wi-Fi wireless upgradable with built-in antenna) 2QU: Intel PRO/Wireless Network Connection 802.11b, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet 47U, 24U, 22U, 2JU: 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet (Wi-Fi wireless upgradable with built-in antenna) 6LU, 3LU: IBM 11a/b Wi-Fi wireless, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet 2FU: Intel PRO/Wireless Network Connection 802.11b, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet 2SU: Cisco 802.11b, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet 27U, 26U: 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet (Wi-Fi wireless upgradable with built-in antenna) ...which is weird because it also talks a lot about the wlan card which might be causing all of this. Well basically i need some help from someone who got freebsd working on a similar laptop and i would really appriciate it. I have an IBM X30 which has an onboard wireless and onboard ethernet interface. It was no drama to setup at all however I do get device timeouts on the wireless NIC from time to time. Often when trying to cp large files via NFS. What does dmesg tell you about the wlan NIC? HTH LukeK -- Luke Kearney [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: F-Prot update errors
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 17.08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I install F-Prot from the ports. If I run check-updates.pl from the console I get a sucessful update everytime (or a nothing updates found message) but if I added the script into the crontab (via crontab -e as root) I get the following Email: *** * F-Prot Antivirus Updater* *** There's a new version of: Document/Office/Macro viruses signatures on the web. Starting to download... Download completed. Preparing to install Document/Office/Macro viruses signatures. unzip: not found Error trying to unzip: macrdef2.zip. Make sure unzip is installed and it's location is within your PATH variable Fatal error.Exiting... if I do a echo $path I get: /sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/games /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/X11R6/bin /root/bin if I do a which unzip I get: /usr/local/bin/unzip so unzip is clearly in the path... Anyone have any ideas? Here is my crontab string: 27 4,16 * * * /usr/local/f-prot/tools/check-updates.pl -cron ns1# uname -a FreeBSD ns1.valuedj.com 5.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE #0: Thu Mar 11 09:35:27 PST 2004 ___ As far as I remember, according to the install doc for F-Prot, you're supposed to put /usr/local/bin before /usr/bin in your path. Also it depends of using bash shell. Check the docs at F-Prot's website. /Hasse. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades
Peter Risdon writes: I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees many commits that are likely to be problematic. In general, no. On the other hand ... think of this as a Murphy's Law scenario: if you automate, it _will_ break horribly two days before some absolutely critical deadline. I have learned from bitter experience that guaranteed updates, aren't. Robert Huff ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
portupgrade -c (was Re: Boot GUI / Boot data and process / Fragmentation)
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:59:58 -0700 Kent Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 08 June 2004 12:37 am, Bruce Hunter wrote: Thanks for your help Kent I read something about using portversion -c with the portupgrade command to upgrade installed pkgs that needed to be updated. When I run portversion -c :: I get a print out of things needed to be upgraded and at the end, it shows a 'if' statment. How do you use this command with portupgrade so it just updates them instead of just showing me. Just do it dang it... just do it! ;o) The output of portversion -c needs to be redirected to a file: portversion -c scriptname.sh To make it usable as a shell script, it needs to have #!/bin/sh added at the top to insure that it uses the sh command interperter. Then, the script needs to be made executable: chmod 744 scriptname.sh Then it can be run as root: ./scriptname.sh I'm not the one to ask because I use the -c and do them one at a time. The portupgrade option -rRa will do some of it. I just want it to do it at my convience and choosing :). I also have an AMD 2400+ that sits off to the side of my computer desk and I build everything on it. The problem with the -c list is that it doesn't build dependancies first. I think it will build the required dependencies first *if* they need updated. The synopsis of portupgrade is: portupgrade [ ... bunch of options ... ] pkgname-glob A list of ports can be passed to portugrade and it will check which needs to be built first. This can easily be checked if you have doubts. Use -n for no-execute and -f to force. This is a test case I tried where liveMedia is a dependency of mplayer: # portupgrade -nf mplayer-gtk-esound-0.92.1_2 liveMedia-2004.06.07,1 --- Session started at: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:06:39 -0400 --- Reinstallation of net/liveMedia started at: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:06:40 -0400 --- Reinstalling 'liveMedia-2004.06.07,1' (net/liveMedia) OK? [no] --- Reinstallation of net/liveMedia ended at: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:06:40 -0400 (consumed 00:00:00) --- Reinstallation of multimedia/mplayer started at: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:06:41 -0400 --- Reinstalling 'mplayer-gtk-esound-0.92.1_2' (multimedia/mplayer) OK? [no] --- Reinstallation of multimedia/mplayer ended at: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:06:41 -0400 (consumed 00:00:00) --- Listing the results (+:done / -:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) + net/liveMedia (liveMedia-2004.06.07,1) + multimedia/mplayer (mplayer-gtk-esound-0.92.1_2) --- Packages processed: 2 done, 0 ignored, 0 skipped and 0 failed --- Session ended at: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:06:41 -0400 (consumed 00:00:01) # Notice that liveMedia was updated first even though it was last in the list of ports passed to portupgrade. The portversion -c produces a list of ports and stores them in its variable $pkgs. Portupgrade will take the list and build them in the correct dependency order. I've used this approach for several years now and it works fine. However, caution should be used when scripting the upgrading of ports. After cvsupping and running portsdb -Uu, the /usr/ports/UPDATING should be read and any items that are applicable to the installation should be followed before running any scripts or other portupgrade commands. If you still prefer doing ports manually, the output of portupgrade -c can still be useful. By modifying the script slightly, it will produce a list of ports to be updated in the order they should be updated. Just change the line: portupgrade $@ $pkgs to: pkg_glob $pkgs | pkg_sort It should be noted that some ports may not work until the entire list is updated and as usual, your mileage may vary. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm thinking wrong about this. Best regards, Randy [ ... other topics snipped ... ] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades
Bill Moran wrote: Peter Risdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cvsup'ing overnight is routine and fine. The make build/install stuff seems a bit more delicate. I'm happy that I have figured out how to automate this, but not _whether_ I should do so. I am of course only considering tracking RELENG_4 at this stage. Why not just cvsup/buildworld/buildkernel nightly, and monitor the FreeBSD security advisory list. When a security problem is found, you only have to installworld/installkernel, which is usually pretty quick. Yes, it is. That's a good compromise. Ports are perhaps more likely to be problematic (though less likely to be a blocker to remote fixing than a failure to boot). Install portaudit, which will include nightly audits of port problems in your daily run email. This takes the guesswork out of when to upgrade. By cvsupping the ports nightly, you only have to run portupgrade to get things updated. Because of the dependencies in ports (which can get rather complex) I wouldn't recommend automatically doing much with ports. If something in the dependency tree is broken or is imperfectly handled without manual intervention, the upgrade process stops short of deinstalling the existing port. Otherwise, the thought of automation wouldn't have crossed my mind. Of course, the time spent tidying up such situations might outweigh the time saved. A more severe problem would occur when a configuration file format changes, or there's deprecation and replacement. Perhaps I should say I'm pretty sure full automation would be unwise. It isn't unobvious and if it hasn't yet been done there's probably a reason for it. I'm trying to get a handle on what that is and to what extent solutions such as the one you suggested above can be used. Peter ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades
Robert Huff wrote: Peter Risdon writes: I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees many commits that are likely to be problematic. In general, no. On the other hand ... think of this as a Murphy's Law scenario: if you automate, it _will_ break horribly two days before some absolutely critical deadline. QED Peter. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leaving a server on all day
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathon McKitrick (jm) writes: jm I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin jm client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of jm power? Turn the monitor off, especially if it is getting old. I have a 19inch from back when they were expensive and it eats power. -- Mail me as [EMAIL PROTECTED]_O_ | ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: free
dauda braimah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I install freebsd and another Os in a pc with 2gigabyte hdd disk eg Window XP and freebsd. How do I format a system that has freebsd 4.5 in it Have you read the install docs?: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html Be sure you back up any important data before starting, _especially_ if you're unfamiliar with the process. If you hit specific questions or problems as you go, don't hesitate to ask the list again. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Perl and linux emulation
Hello. I have a perl module (Adobe's FDF toolkit) that uses two .so files as part of it's magic. These files come precompiled for Linux. Not surprisingly, when I try to do a perl use on the module I get an error like this: Can't load '/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/FDF.so' for module Acrobat::FDF: Shared object libc.so.6 not found at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-freebsd/DynaLoader.pm line 206. at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.1/Acrobat/FDF.pm line 741 Is there a way to use a Linux compiled .so file with the a perl compiled for FreeBSD? If not, does anyone know of a way to easily install a seperate perl compiled as a linux binary? Thanks - Jason ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades
Peter Risdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Moran wrote: Peter Risdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cvsup'ing overnight is routine and fine. The make build/install stuff seems a bit more delicate. I'm happy that I have figured out how to automate this, but not _whether_ I should do so. I am of course only considering tracking RELENG_4 at this stage. Why not just cvsup/buildworld/buildkernel nightly, and monitor the FreeBSD security advisory list. When a security problem is found, you only have to installworld/installkernel, which is usually pretty quick. Yes, it is. That's a good compromise. Watching the other posts, I would suggest another compromise as well: track RELENG_4_10, not RELENG_4. Much more conservative commit policy. When (if?) 4.11 comes out, you should expect a careful, manual switch from the RELENG_4_10 branch to the RELENG_4_11 branch. I've been doing this since 4.7? and have had very few problems. But, occasionally, there are significant changes between a point release. Ports are perhaps more likely to be problematic (though less likely to be a blocker to remote fixing than a failure to boot). Install portaudit, which will include nightly audits of port problems in your daily run email. This takes the guesswork out of when to upgrade. By cvsupping the ports nightly, you only have to run portupgrade to get things updated. Because of the dependencies in ports (which can get rather complex) I wouldn't recommend automatically doing much with ports. If something in the dependency tree is broken or is imperfectly handled without manual intervention, the upgrade process stops short of deinstalling the existing port. I _was_ going to comment on this, but you beat me to the punch ;) This is a fantastic feature of portupgrade, which makes the package an incredible tool! A more severe problem would occur when a configuration file format changes, or there's deprecation and replacement. This is the greater concern, and one that I doubt if portupgrade can address. This bit me not too long ago, because of the migration of a lot of ports to rcng ... without a portname_enable=YES line in /etc/rc.conf, a lot of the ports I upgraded didn't start after upgrading. Not a big deal, but a subtle warning to be careful of config changes in ports! Perhaps I should say I'm pretty sure full automation would be unwise. I agree. As I said before, big companies don't even automate the Windows Update process, because (despite Microsoft's claims) doing so has bit them in the past. It isn't unobvious and if it hasn't yet been done there's probably a reason for it. I'm trying to get a handle on what that is and to what extent solutions such as the one you suggested above can be used. Good luck. I highly recommend portaudit! At least you know when it's time to do things. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fstab
asuming that you have done the whole fdisk/disklabel/newfs you can list the contents of /dev thus, ls /dev to find out. It will be ad1s1d oassume something like that I do have several ad1* devices in /dev but I can not mount them. So I asume they are just there to be there? Why would it be ad1s1d? If the whole drive is being used wouldn't it be ad1s1a? Thank you, Joshua Lewis Anubis Joshua Lewis wrote: /dev/ad1s1 what? a, d, e, f,g ?? Do I specify? I am using the whole drive. should I change it to /dev/ad1s1a? Thank you, Joshua Lewis Anubis Joshua Lewis wrote: The last time I edited this file my system ceased to boot. I have made what looks to me like a valid entry. This is the same thing I entered in last time. I am not going to save this but does it look valid to anyone out there? # DeviceMountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/ad0s1b noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad0s1f /tmpufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1g /usrufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1e /varufs rw 2 2 /dev/acd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/acd1c /cdrom1 cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 This is the line I added /dev/ad1s1 /disk2 ufs rw 2 2 proc/proc procfs rw 0 0 /dev/ad1s1 what? a, d, e, f,g ?? asuming that you have done the whole fdisk/disklabel/newfs you can list the contents of /dev thus, ls /dev to find out. It will be ad1s1d or something like that ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] What's QED? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)
Peter Risdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Huff wrote: Peter Risdon writes: I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees many commits that are likely to be problematic. In general, no. On the other hand ... think of this as a Murphy's Law scenario: if you automate, it _will_ break horribly two days before some absolutely critical deadline. QED I must be out of touch with my jargon ... What's QED? -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] What's QED? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:36:47 -0400 Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Risdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Huff wrote: Peter Risdon writes: I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees many commits that are likely to be problematic. In general, no. On the other hand ... think of this as a Murphy's Law scenario: if you automate, it _will_ break horribly two days before some absolutely critical deadline. QED I must be out of touch with my jargon ... What's QED? -- Bill Moran If I recall correctly, it's Latin: quod erat demonstrandum, meaning as it has been demonstrated. Andrew Gould ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl and linux emulation
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 11:27:29AM -0500, Jason Godfrey wrote: Hello. I have a perl module (Adobe's FDF toolkit) that uses two .so files as part of it's magic. These files come precompiled for Linux. Not surprisingly, when I try to do a perl use on the module I get an error like this: Can't load '/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/FDF.so' for module Acrobat::FDF: Shared object libc.so.6 not found at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-freebsd/DynaLoader.pm line 206. at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.1/Acrobat/FDF.pm line 741 Is there a way to use a Linux compiled .so file with the a perl compiled for FreeBSD? If not, does anyone know of a way to easily install a seperate perl compiled as a linux binary? The best way to proceed, I suppose, would be to install the linux_base port. The lib you need is installed as part of it. To make it accessible, you may need to run ldconfig -elf -R /compat/linux/lib after installation. HTH Dan pgp1LKUYU9wyy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] What's QED? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 09:36 am, Bill Moran wrote: Peter Risdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Huff wrote: Peter Risdon writes: I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees many commits that are likely to be problematic. In general, no. On the other hand ... think of this as a Murphy's Law scenario: if you automate, it _will_ break horribly two days before some absolutely critical deadline. QED I must be out of touch with my jargon ... What's QED? I remember seeing that at the end of mathematical proofs at the University where the professor was too lazy to finish their documentation. It was much more fitting here :). Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: acpi question
Hello Dan, there is a separate list on ACPI: [EMAIL PROTECTED] May you wish to subscribe to it. Regards, Oliver Fischer Dan Cojocar wrote: Hello, I noticed that my hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active is set -1 and i can't change this value, what is this meaning? Thanks, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 05:18:07PM +0100, Richard Caley wrote: : In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathon McKitrick (jm) writes: : : jm I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin : jm client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of : jm power? : : Turn the monitor off, especially if it is getting old. I have a 19inch : from back when they were expensive and it eats power. Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess those use less power, right? Also, a 1.8GHz Athlon won't use any more power than necessary during idle time, right? jm -- My other computer is your Windows box. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: free
[Please use reply all to include the mailing list in subsequent questions, I do not always have time to respond to all follow-ups.] dauda braimah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill, thanks for that email and the prompt reply. What practical minimum size required to install freebsd and XP I have not idea how little a disk Windows XP will fit on, but I doubt 2G will be big enough. How much space you need for FreeBSD depends entirely on what you want to do. If you just want to use it as an internet firewall, you can do a minimal installation of less than a few hundred meg. If you want to do C-language development for servers or console applications, you could probably get away with less than 1G. If you want a full-blown graphical interface with web browser and office suite, you're going to need at least 10G. Thanks dauda braimah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I install freebsd and another Os in a pc with 2gigabyte hdd disk eg Window XP and freebsd. How do I format a system that has freebsd 4.5 in it Have you read the install docs?: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html Be sure you back up any important data before starting, _especially_ if you're unfamiliar with the process. If you hit specific questions or problems as you go, don't hesitate to ask the list again. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] What's QED? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004, Kent Stewart wrote: On Tuesday 08 June 2004 09:36 am, Bill Moran wrote: Peter Risdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Huff wrote: Peter Risdon writes: I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees many commits that are likely to be problematic. In general, no. On the other hand ... think of this as a Murphy's Law scenario: if you automate, it _will_ break horribly two days before some absolutely critical deadline. QED I must be out of touch with my jargon ... What's QED? I remember seeing that at the end of mathematical proofs at the University where the professor was too lazy to finish their documentation. It was much more fitting here :). The original Latin is ``Quod Erat Demonstrandum'', translates to that was demonstrated (about as much as I remember from five years of Latin). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 http://www.celestial.com/ You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence. -- Charles A. Beard ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leaving a server on all day
Jonathon McKitrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 05:18:07PM +0100, Richard Caley wrote: : In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathon McKitrick (jm) writes: : : jm I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin : jm client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of : jm power? : : Turn the monitor off, especially if it is getting old. I have a 19inch : from back when they were expensive and it eats power. Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess those use less power, right? I remember having this conversation with someone not too long ago, and our consensus was that flat screens used just as much power as tube monitors. Don't hold me to that, though, I don't seem to remember our testing technique as being very ... uhm ... scientific. Also, a 1.8GHz Athlon won't use any more power than necessary during idle time, right? Different processors are different. Many newer CPUs will throttle their power consumption while the machine is idle, but most older ones can't do this. You'll need to research the specific CPU + motherboard to see if this is available or not, but (as far as my lousy memory serves) Athlons in the 1.8G range don't support reduced power during non-usage, and will consume just as many watts while the system is idle as while it's doing a buildworld. Please note that I am not an authority on hardware, if I'm off-base here, I wouldn't mind a correction ;) But this is how things stand to the best of my knowledge. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: free
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 10:38 am, Bill Moran wrote: [Please use reply all to include the mailing list in subsequent questions, I do not always have time to respond to all follow-ups.] dauda braimah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill, thanks for that email and the prompt reply. What practical minimum size required to install freebsd and XP I have not idea how little a disk Windows XP will fit on, but I doubt 2G will be big enough. I agree. My WinXP directory by itself is 1.8 GB and the applications are exponential from there :). How much space you need for FreeBSD depends entirely on what you want to do. If you just want to use it as an internet firewall, you can do a minimal installation of less than a few hundred meg. If you want to do C-language development for servers or console applications, you could probably get away with less than 1G. If you want a full-blown graphical interface with web browser and office suite, you're going to need at least 10G. I am not sure that is enough. For example, just updating java-1.4, you need 1.7+ GB free. I think there are other ports that need much more. I have /usr/ports as a stand alone mount point and created a 15 GB filesystem just for the ports. It is currently running at 20% used. Kent Thanks dauda braimah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I install freebsd and another Os in a pc with 2gigabyte hdd disk eg Window XP and freebsd. How do I format a system that has freebsd 4.5 in it Have you read the install docs?: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.h tml Be sure you back up any important data before starting, _especially_ if you're unfamiliar with the process. If you hit specific questions or problems as you go, don't hesitate to ask the list again. -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Jun 8, 2004, at 1:27 PM, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess those use less power, right? Also, a 1.8GHz Athlon won't use any more power than necessary during idle time, right? Yes, a flat screen typically uses about 50W; a big CRT might use 100 to 150W. AMD processors now have fairly good thermal behavior when they are idle, although it obviously helps if one can enable APCI and power management capabilities to either throttle down the CPU speed or even go into sleep mode. -- -Chuck ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: free
can't believe I'm answering this especially on here but the min spec for XP is 1.5 gig that doesn't leave much for BSDs or to run any applications in either OS hard disks are cheap as chips these days think its time to upgrade arden On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 18:38, Bill Moran wrote: [Please use reply all to include the mailing list in subsequent questions, I do not always have time to respond to all follow-ups.] dauda braimah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill, thanks for that email and the prompt reply. What practical minimum size required to install freebsd and XP I have not idea how little a disk Windows XP will fit on, but I doubt 2G will be big enough. How much space you need for FreeBSD depends entirely on what you want to do. If you just want to use it as an internet firewall, you can do a minimal installation of less than a few hundred meg. If you want to do C-language development for servers or console applications, you could probably get away with less than 1G. If you want a full-blown graphical interface with web browser and office suite, you're going to need at least 10G. Thanks dauda braimah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I install freebsd and another Os in a pc with 2gigabyte hdd disk eg Window XP and freebsd. How do I format a system that has freebsd 4.5 in it Have you read the install docs?: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html Be sure you back up any important data before starting, _especially_ if you're unfamiliar with the process. If you hit specific questions or problems as you go, don't hesitate to ask the list again. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 01:21:01PM +0100, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of power? Is it true that the heat buildup in a home system (rather than a heavily fanned commercial system) will kill the drives faster and this is a good reason to turn it off during the day when I am not home? Take the side off of your case, turn the open side toward the wall, with some space between it and the wall. Especially during the summer. I don't put my box on the floor, if you were wondering. I have an Athlon 1.2, a Plextor CD/RW, and multiple drives in the 7200 rpm range; and of course a gpu, and the psu, and the sound card...they all generate heat. The kicker: I'm on the top floor of my building in a treeless area. I'd rather the heat spill out the side, than have it pulled out the psu or the fan on the back. I've seen rigs that have hoses which pull the heat out of the box, and pump it into the wall. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fstab
asuming that you have done the whole fdisk/disklabel/newfs you can list the contents of /dev thus, ls /dev to find out. It will be ad1s1d oassume something like that I do have several ad1* devices in /dev but I can not mount them. So I asume they are just there to be there? Why would it be ad1s1d? If the whole drive is being used wouldn't it be ad1s1a? It would be whatever you used in the disklabel run (or the one done for you if you use sysinstall). 'd' is unlikely and so is 'c' jerry Thank you, Joshua Lewis Anubis Joshua Lewis wrote: /dev/ad1s1 what? a, d, e, f,g ?? Do I specify? I am using the whole drive. should I change it to /dev/ad1s1a? ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 02:42:16PM -0400, Joe Altman wrote: : Take the side off of your case, turn the open side toward the wall, Why against the wall? So nothing damages it? : with some space between it and the wall. Especially during the summer. My setup has a fan in the back, and also one on the side. Is that close enough? : I don't put my box on the floor, if you were wondering. I have an Mine is in the CPU slot of a tiny computer desk. : Athlon 1.2, a Plextor CD/RW, and multiple drives in the 7200 rpm That reminds me: is a CD/RW a feasible data backup device? I've never used mine. : range; and of course a gpu, and the psu, and the sound card...they all : generate heat. The kicker: I'm on the top floor of my building in a : treeless area. I'd rather the heat spill out the side, than have it I feel your pain. I'm third floor in an old house with no A/C. jm -- My other computer is your windows box. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] What's QED? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)
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Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 07:51:51PM +0100, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 02:42:16PM -0400, Joe Altman wrote: : Take the side off of your case, turn the open side toward the wall, Why against the wall? So nothing damages it? Yes; spills, flying objects, whatever. Most importantly, it's not on the floor, and securely on my desk. I deal w/ the noise by keeping the fan on my Enermax low; it has an adjustable spin rate via a knob on the back. Drives are noisy, with no way around that problem. : with some space between it and the wall. Especially during the summer. My setup has a fan in the back, and also one on the side. Is that close enough? It's one way to do it. Whether or not it's enough is up to you. : I don't put my box on the floor, if you were wondering. I have an Mine is in the CPU slot of a tiny computer desk. Well, the thing for me is to keep the side open, so the heat spills out. : Athlon 1.2, a Plextor CD/RW, and multiple drives in the 7200 rpm That reminds me: is a CD/RW a feasible data backup device? I've never used mine. For me, yes it is. Tapes are, or were, too expensive. The CD/RW I purchased was, two years ago, about the same price as current DVD/RW drives. I'd go with a DVD nowadays; pay a little more, but have Gigs of backup space rather than Megs of storage. : range; and of course a gpu, and the psu, and the sound card...they all : generate heat. The kicker: I'm on the top floor of my building in a : treeless area. I'd rather the heat spill out the side, than have it I feel your pain. I'm third floor in an old house with no A/C. No A/C? Sheesh. Oh, BTW: if it's an old house, do yourself a favor: purchase a UPS. There is a webpage somewhere that lists models of UPS units supported by FreeBSD...I forget where. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 03:05:14PM -0400, Joe Altman wrote: : Yes; spills, flying objects, whatever. Most importantly, it's not on : the floor, and securely on my desk. I deal w/ the noise by keeping the What is so bad with the floor? : That reminds me: is a CD/RW a feasible data backup device? I've never used : mine. : : For me, yes it is. Tapes are, or were, too expensive. The CD/RW I Is there a readme on this? I could never figure out how to get burncd to work with backups. : purchase a UPS. There is a webpage somewhere that lists models of UPS Good idea. jm -- My other computer is your windows box. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hyperthreading question
Hi all, I'm upgrading some machines from 4.8-RELEASE to 4.10-RELEASE. The machines in question are dual-processor xeon boxes. Now, my boss is adamant in that he doesn't want hyperthreading enabled on the machines. In 4.8-RELEASE things were simple... I just didn't add the options HTT line to my kernel config file. In 4.10-RELEASE though, HTT is enabled by default. So, is there any way to shut off the hyperthreading? I've tried disabling it in the BIOS, and had no luck whatsoever. Thanks, DMK PS: A direct reply would be welcome. I'm not subscribed to the mailing list. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
5.2.1 fails to install on Toshiba Satellite A15-S127
I tried to install FBSD 5.2.1 on Toshiba Satellite A15-S127 (Mobile Intel Celeron Id=0xf27 Stepping = 7 2GHz/256M/30G CDRW, USB floppy. During boot from installation floppy kernel hungs just after: pcibios: BIOS version 2.10 Using $PIR table, 6 entries at 0xc00f01a0 pcib0: Host to PCI bridge at pcibus 0 on motherboard pci0: PCI bus on pcib0 pci_cfgintr: 0:2 INTA BIOS irq 10 Also, I tried to use 5.2.1-RELEASE-miniinst.iso and booted it with ACPI disabled mode. Result was the same. There are not to many parameters which I can change in Toshiba BIOS Device configuration menu and, I hope, I tried them all without success. It might be, I missed something. What BIOS parameters are most important in this case. I did try to setup 4.10 without any problem. What can I try else? May be I need to build some castom kernel? What changes to GENERIC configuration could help? Or I need to try to do some changes in kernel source? Any clue please, Mikhail. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Going further OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day
Hi,
What is so bad with the floor?
Ever move into a beautiful house only to find the floor *flooded* at the
first serious cloud break? ;-)
BTW - I'd make sure I'd get/have a decent computer case with a decent
PSU with enough room for some decent 80mm or larger low noise fans
rather than opening up the side panel. Perhaps an aluminum (Chieftec
Dragon, anyone?) case with some Enermax and Zalman coolers and PSU might
do the trick. I've {b,s}een told a good airflow (front to back) is king.
OT nonetheless and good luck... Nico
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Re: [OT] What's QED? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)
Bill Campbell wrote: snip of on topic stuff ;-) The original Latin is ``Quod Erat Demonstrandum'', translates to that was demonstrated (about as much as I remember from five years of Latin). Quod erat demonstrandum is correct. The translation is rather : what needed to be proven, what needed to be demonstrated ... (although this is probably very poor English :-) ) Jos ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leaving a server on all day
Charles Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 8, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Bill Moran wrote: Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess those use less power, right? I remember having this conversation with someone not too long ago, and our consensus was that flat screens used just as much power as tube monitors. Don't hold me to that, though, I don't seem to remember our testing technique as being very ... uhm ... scientific. No need to guess, use an amp-meter. :-) What a crazy idea. I seem to remember plugging monitors into a UPS in an attempt to use the cheesy load meter lights to tell which was drawing more juice, when that didn't show us any difference, we tried watching the power meter outside ... trying to guess which monitor made it spin faster ... Also, a 1.8GHz Athlon won't use any more power than necessary during idle time, right? Different processors are different. Many newer CPUs will throttle their power consumption while the machine is idle, but most older ones can't do this. You'll need to research the specific CPU + motherboard to see if this is available or not, but (as far as my lousy memory serves) Athlons in the 1.8G range don't support reduced power during non-usage, and will consume just as many watts while the system is idle as while it's doing a buildworld. A 1.8GHz AMD is likely to be a Barton, or possibly a later-model Thoroughbred. The CPU should have AMD's PowerNow! capabilities if APCI is enabled, and they should also significantly reduce power consumption if the OS runs the HLT instruction in the idle loop. Ahh ... didn't know the 1.8s had that in them. I have one machine with an AMD 1800+ (1.54 MHz T'bred-B), which runs at perhaps 48 or 50 C if the system is idle. If I run something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a day or so, the CPU will go up to around 56 or even 57 C as a result of the load. The difference in thermal output due to load is very obvious. But is thermal output a reliable indicator of power usage? Logically, it seems like it would be, but I'd hate to assume. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Going further OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day
Nico Meijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
What is so bad with the floor?
Ever move into a beautiful house only to find the floor *flooded* at the
first serious cloud break? ;-)
BTW - I'd make sure I'd get/have a decent computer case with a decent
PSU with enough room for some decent 80mm or larger low noise fans
rather than opening up the side panel. Perhaps an aluminum (Chieftec
Dragon, anyone?) case with some Enermax and Zalman coolers and PSU might
do the trick. I've {b,s}een told a good airflow (front to back) is king.
I saw an article recently by a guy who had a degree in thermal dynamics or
something that was dispelling the common myths about PC cooling.
His conclusion was basically that airflow is king. You need to move air across
the heat sinks that is cooler than the heat sinks are. Sounds simple, but the
overall conclusion was that you could improve cooling without increasing noise
by ensuring that air from _outside_ the case was flowing directly over the
processor heatsink. Reason this works well is becuase the air inside the case
is usually considerably warmer than the air outside the case, and moving warm
air across the heat sink doesn't accomplish much. By drawing cool air in from
outside the case, things stay cooler.
Anyway, his suggestion was that the best thing you could do for your cooling
rig was to purchase/fab one of those little duct kits that allows the cpu fan
to pull air from outside the case. Some cases even have the duct built in (my
brother's computer does).
--
Bill Moran
Potential Technologies
http://www.potentialtech.com
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i845-i865 on 4.9 RELEASE
Hi guys! I have one question for you. I had an intel mainboard on i845 chipset. All was beautiful with 4.9 Release. When I got i865 chipset I have many problems... first time, when I reinstalled FreeBSd It was rebooting when I boot that, then it was some eroor with BTX loader. It was written many registers and addresses and then message BTX halted. Please help. Sorry for my eng. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anti-Spam app for sendmail
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 10:35, Chris wrote: Any comments on a good anti-spam app that works with sendmail for a mail server? Yeah, try SpamAssassin. I've been using it since January, and have almost zero SPAM delivered to my inbox now. I think in all that time it has only had one false positive (my mom sending email as HTML, from word.) HTH -- Keep your pecker hard and your powder dry, and the world WILL turn. pgpn5ddRBnYNr.pgp Description: signature
Re: OT: do not read if OT annoys you group coding standards
On 2004-06-07 13:10, Goodleaf, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a hard problem. How do you provide conventions that don't annoy the hell out of programmers, but which ensure that legibile, maintainable code is left? First of all, I should note this: As long as there is a way to configure the two most popular editors (vi and Emacs) to adhere to this standard of yours, the only thing that matters is to avoid like hell all non-standard styles. Consistently keeping the standard is more important than the rules of the standard itself. Any suggestions welcome. Please cc me directly, as I'm not currently on this list. Some people hate the resulting style, other love it... but there is a coding standards' guideline on your FreeBSD installation waiting to be read by you: man 9 style - Giorgos ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Jun 8, 2004, at 2:54 PM, Cordula's Web wrote: AMD processors now have fairly good thermal behavior when they are idle, although it obviously helps if one can enable APCI and power management capabilities to either throttle down the CPU speed or even go into sleep mode. What about other architectures? If you don't need x86 compat, perhaps CPU models in other arches have much lower consumption? Certainly this is true of the ARM and even the Motorola 68K, as you mention: For a box that runs mainly as router, apache, postfix, cyrus, ... even an old MC68k would do just fine (esp. if you are limited by bandwidth, not CPU cycles...). ...there are a lot of people using an embedded M68K as a low-power applicance computing device. Perhaps something like Soekris boards could be useful? Has someone used them to build a power-saving server? Sure. I've got a Soekris net4801 sitting right next to me which is running some custom network monitoring/IDS/IPS software, and the Via EPIA mini-ITX form factor is another good choice for low-power computing. The EPIAs seem to have slightly flaky ATA support, though. Anyone living in a country with exorbitant high taxes on power lurking here? People here in the US got to pay for Enron and the like, sure, especially those in CA. -- -Chuck ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make buildworld problem
On 2004-06-08 18:41, Mantas Audickas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello there, i don't know where to ask.. i have tried in many irc channels, but no one could help me.. so i'm trying to make buildworld, but there i get an error, always the same.. i have tried in fresh installed os, with GENERIC kernel and with my own, cvsup source and so on.. but nothing goes better.. I have read /usr/src/UPDATING.. and tried to follow rules. I put error log file in http://migla.ktu.lt/~cerberis/error .. maybe you can help me? It could be that your source tree is at fault. Try deleting /usr/src/lib/libedit and CVSup'ing again. - Giorgos ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Going further OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day
Bill Moran wrote:
Nico Meijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
What is so bad with the floor?
Ever move into a beautiful house only to find the floor *flooded* at the
first serious cloud break? ;-)
BTW - I'd make sure I'd get/have a decent computer case with a decent
PSU with enough room for some decent 80mm or larger low noise fans
rather than opening up the side panel. Perhaps an aluminum (Chieftec
Dragon, anyone?) case with some Enermax and Zalman coolers and PSU might
do the trick. I've {b,s}een told a good airflow (front to back) is king.
I saw an article recently by a guy who had a degree in thermal dynamics or
something that was dispelling the common myths about PC cooling.
His conclusion was basically that airflow is king. You need to move air across
the heat sinks that is cooler than the heat sinks are. Sounds simple, but the
overall conclusion was that you could improve cooling without increasing noise
by ensuring that air from _outside_ the case was flowing directly over the
processor heatsink. Reason this works well is becuase the air inside the case
is usually considerably warmer than the air outside the case, and moving warm
air across the heat sink doesn't accomplish much. By drawing cool air in from
outside the case, things stay cooler.
Anyway, his suggestion was that the best thing you could do for your cooling
rig was to purchase/fab one of those little duct kits that allows the cpu fan
to pull air from outside the case. Some cases even have the duct built in (my
brother's computer does).
Ok, I'll chime in here. Here's what everything I ever learned about
heat transfer and fluid flow tells me:
Everything Bill is saying is correct. The best way to cool is to move
as much fluid (air is a fluid for the purpose of this discussion) as
fast as possible across whatever is hot. Of course, the fluid has to be
cooler than whatever is being cooled. A fan rotating at certain speed
is going to push a given volume of air in a given amount of time. By
leaving the case covers on and providing only a few small holes for
the air to travel through, you're going to force the air coming through
those holes to travel through the case faster.
That being said, if the case design, component placement, etc. is such
that leaving the the cover off actually allows a significantly greater
volume of air to get to the heatsink(s) in a given amount of time, then
leaving the cover off is a good thing.
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Re: Leaving a server on all day
Charles Swiger wrote: On Jun 8, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Bill Moran wrote: Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess those use less power, right? I remember having this conversation with someone not too long ago, and our consensus was that flat screens used just as much power as tube monitors. Don't hold me to that, though, I don't seem to remember our testing technique as being very ... uhm ... scientific. No need to guess, use an amp-meter. :-) Well If it measure trueRMS then you could use it, otherwise no. Radio Shack and the like will sell something with male and female plugs that will measure both voltage and current, and give you the current power load in Watts. Smart UPSes may also have a similar capability. Yes but it will only show you the correct value if the load is a pure resistans, not if it's reactiv, as all switching psu's are. / ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Jun 8, 2004, at 4:06 PM, Bill Moran wrote: Charles Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No need to guess, use an amp-meter. :-) What a crazy idea. I seem to remember plugging monitors into a UPS in an attempt to use the cheesy load meter lights to tell which was drawing more juice, when that didn't show us any difference, we tried watching the power meter outside ... trying to guess which monitor made it spin faster ... :-) The smart versions of UPSes (as in, APC's SmartUPS line) will often have a serial connection which not only does the deassert DTR when the battery is low thingy, but will communicate other information about the state of the UPS. That will include the power consumption of the load measured more accurately than 5 green LEDs would be able to show you. A really serious UPS, such as a PowerWare 9330, may have ethernet and SNMP support and will do things like tell you the power factor of the load, typically about 0.9 for computer stuff. But I admit, a 20kVA UPS is outside of what a normal home user would want. And the batteries are freaking heavy... :-) I have one machine with an AMD 1800+ (1.54 MHz T'bred-B), which runs at perhaps 48 or 50 C if the system is idle. If I run something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a day or so, the CPU will go up to around 56 or even 57 C as a result of the load. The difference in thermal output due to load is very obvious. But is thermal output a reliable indicator of power usage? Logically, it seems like it would be, but I'd hate to assume. Conservation of energy is a law, so any assumptions being made are pretty safe. When you pump 0.5 amps @ 120VAC into a 60 watt light-bulb, you end up getting about 54 watts of radiant heat and about 6 watts of visible light. A computer's CPU eats about the same amount of power, and sends a watt or so back out in terms of data signals, but most of the energy used by the processor to actually process data gets emitted as heat. -- -Chuck ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anti-Spam app for sendmail
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mysql user
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[OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Jun 8, 2004, at 5:06 PM, Bernt. H wrote:
No need to guess, use an amp-meter. :-)
Well If it measure trueRMS then you could use it, otherwise no.
You are correct that one needs to measure the voltage and use the RMS
value, or DC series equivalent if you like that phrase, in order to
figure out the power consumption accurately, but an {ammeter,
amp-meter, DMM} which can deal with AC will do the right thing.
Radio Shack and the like will sell something with male and female
plugs that will measure both voltage and current, and give you the
current power load in Watts. Smart UPSes may also have a similar
capability.
Yes but it will only show you the correct value if the load is a pure
resistans, not if it's reactiv, as all switching psu's are.
The ratio between the actual load and a purely resistive load is known
as the power factor, and is why UPS are rated in terms of kVA rather
than in terms of the wattage of the load. For computer equipment [1],
the power factor is lagging, representing an inductive rather than
capacitive load, and the PF is typically about 0.9.
However, the electric company bills you for the power you draw from
them, they don't give you a refund for the power wasted because your
load is not purely resistive, so the notion of measuring the kVA rather
than the useful wattage is not really incorrect.
--
-Chuck
[1]: And almost everything else, too. Most things use a transformer to
convert line voltage into whatever voltage the device wants, which is
inductive, or consist of a motor, also inductive. Motors which draw a
lot of current when starting (which is most of them) tend to have a
starting capacitor to help manage the surge current and also help
adjust the power factor back towards 1.0 to improve their efficiency.
The so-called ballast in fluorescent lights serves much the same
purpose.
We thank you for tuning in to basic electronics, and return you to your
regularly scheduled FreeBSD programming. :-)
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