Re: Hell Installing OpenLDAP/Berkeley-DB/Java
I found a different file to build BerkeleyDB and built it successfully: /usr/ports/databases/p5-BerkeleyDB Then I rebuilt OpenLDAP from here: /usr/ports/net/openldap23-server Following the OpenLDAP tutorial, I edited slapd.conf and created an example.ldif file. Then I ran: ldapadd -x -D cn=admin,dc=2012,dc=vi -W -f example.ldif (all correct for my domain/configuration). I was asked to give my LDAP password. When I entered it (exactly as is in the slapd.conf file) I was told that was incorrect: ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) This makes me believe that Berkeley isn't properly installed. How can I test that? What steps do you take to properly install this duo? TIA, Ted2 Atom Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/8/06, Ted Johnson wrote: Hi; I tried to install OpenLDAP, but it needs Berkeley-DB and complained that the version installed was incompatible. I tried compiling it without Berkeley (using GNU instead) but it wouldn't. I tried installing Berkeley DB without Java (for simplicity's sake), but that didn't work. I tried moving that installation to where the ports would be but still no go. So I tried a make of the berkeley-db port but that complained it needed a Java plug-in that had to be loaded manually because of licensing restrictions. I don't know why BDB would want Java (check make.conf?). I've done several OpenLDAP/BDB installs recently and I never installed any kind of Java. -- -- Perfection is just a word I use occasionally with mustard. --Atom Powers-- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1cent;/min. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Origin of hard drive parameters
From: Ian Graeme Hilt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
May I point out that I was not interested in CHS alone. My focus was the
origin of the hard drives parameters i.e. geometry, which is the subject of
discussion. From this discussion and other sources I have learned that CHS, as you
say, is arbitrary when referring to modern drives. To be specific,
drives adhering to ATA/ATAPI Specification 6 and later. ATA/ATAPI Spec. 5 and
earlier used CHS mode for representing hard drive capacity. The reason I am interested
in this topic is partially because of my idle curiosity. I'm the
type of person interested in the challenge of answering questions. The
questions, How does the BIOS automatically detect correct values for hard
disks? and, Where is this information stored? have been stuck in my head for at
least 6 months. No amount of searching the web provided me with
satisfactory results. I tried a few tests of my own, all of which failed to answer my
questions. So, I decided to appeal to the FreeBSD-questions mailing
list. Mainly because I have found useful answers to other questions here. The
other part of my reason is that one of my coworkers thought this information
was stored on the platters of the hard drive. I thought differently but I
could not _prove_ it.
Good reason. And the information is indeed stored on the platters of
the hard disks in a place you cannot read directly. It is easier for
me to refer to SCSI than to ATA. With SCSI the operating code for the
disk is stored on the disk. What comes up at first is enough SCSI to
say I'm a disk; and, I'm not ready. When you issue ReadCapacity,
Mode Sense, and Inquiry commands you are accessing data stored on the
same reserved sectors as the disk's operating code. Special diagnositic
commands allow the operating code to be modified. The Mode Select
command allows you to reconfigure the disk's geometry. This takes
effect after you next low level format the drive if you have no other
intervening commands. This allows you to alter the spare blocks and
cylinders on the disk as well as configure most other operating
parameters. These are stored where operating systems normally cannot
see them with normal read/write commands.
So your coworker is correct, it is stored on the drive and barring
nvram on the drive it is stored on the actual platters.
As for storing it - read block zero of the disk.
Be DAMN careful not to WRITE to block zero. And if you DO write
to block zero at about the time I quit doing such low level stuff
and moved to other things there were several SCSI hard disk
manufacturers using code that had a defect such that if you wrote
more than one disk block starting at block 0 the whole disk was
toast until you did a fresh low level format on it. One sincerely
hopes THAT defect is gone these days.)
{O.O} Joanne
Reading through ATA/ATAPI -7 has helped me rephrase my questions into one:
When the command READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS is issued to the device, from where
is this information returned?
It may be cached somewhere for quick returns. There are tools for tuning
disk performance for both ATA and SCSI disks that can alter the operating
parameters. Some options read OS cached values. Others dig down and issue
the 'standard' query commands and read the actual values off the disk. The
disk is the final arbiter, in modern terms. When doing the configuration
utility that became arguably the most popular one for the Amiga I ran
across some small number of hard disks that returned off by 1 values for
size. (Micropolis was one offender at one time.) And I also ran across
drives delivered with only the first few megabytes formatted. So I built
into the configuration utility an actual search for the last readable
block. I used the lesser of that value and the value the drive declared
to Read Capacity commands. At least the formats it generated were safe.
(I think it was either Maxtor or CDC/Seagate that had the partially
formatted drives escape from their factory.)
I hope this answers questions enough so that the next question is more
obvious. (And in retrospect - the drive is the only thing that knows
the precise formatting parameters. So it is quite logical that the
original source for the size data is the drive itself. This is not
always, in my experience, a constant for all revisions of the same
model of drive.)
{^_^} Joanne
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Re: Making startup order static
White Hat wrote: FreeBSD 6.1 I need to keep several programs starting in a particular order. clamav-clamd clamav-freshclam clamsmtpd saslauthd dovecot postfix fetchmail By default, they do not start in that order. I have modified the rc.d files to force them to start in the order specified above. The problem is that every time I update these programs the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys the changes I have made. This then requires me to recreate the modifications to force the start up order I require. Is there anyway I can achieve this goal in a simplified manner? I thought perhaps there might be something I could add to the /etc/rc.conf file; however, I have not discovered it. You might get more informed answers if you try asking this question on the freebsd-rc@ mailing list. I believe 6.1 uses rcorder for scripts from /usr/local/etc/rc.d, in which case you might be able to create local patches in the relevant ports which added appropriate e.g. # BEFORE: # PROVIDES: # REQUIRE: lines to force the order you want. This assumes that they do not use .sh suffixed scripts and that you use cvsup rather than portsnap, which I believe would trash your local patches. --Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Experience
Bob Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made the decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able to transition away from Windows with minimal disruption to my business. So, I downloaded the .iso images from FreeBSD, Suse, and Fedora. I initially favored FreeBSD, since it seemed to have the closest lineage to pure Unix, and that was important to me, but after many, many attempts to install both the OS and Gnome desktop environment, I threw up my hands. I'm confused. What compelled you to torture yourself, _then_ complain about it to a list that's sole purpose in existing is to help prevent you from torturing yourself? If you had posted many questions and got no answers, I could understand throwing up your hands. As it stands, you might want to use those hands to smack yourself for making your life more difficult than it needs to be. If you have problems, ask on the list at the time the problem occurs. Complaining after the fact (as you're doing) accomplishes nothing. While I can't speak for the project officially, I would wager to say: 1) We know our installation is not as pretty and easy as others, and 2) We don't care. We are a community. We're not Microsoft. We're not interested in driving users away by saying here's everything you need, don't bother us again. Our limited resources are focused on developing the really important parts of the system. While few would complain if the install process were made easier, nobody has the time to work on it. Become part of the community and ask questions when you have trouble. Find a local user's group. But please, please don't complain about the OS not working right when you use it wrong. The FreeBSD community is an integral part of the OS. Not making use of the FreeBSD community and then complaining that the OS is difficult to use would be like not using a mouse then complaining that MS Windows is hard to use. -- Bill Moran Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. Benjamin Franklin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how to get one OBJDIR per kernel
I have several systems which all use the same /usr/obj over NFS.
In the make.conf of those systems WRKDIRPREFIX is set to /usr/obj/${HOST},
which keeps machines from messing with each other while they build ports.
Those machines have their own kernel configurations, which reside in
/root/kernels/ and are linked from /usr/src/sys/ARCH/conf . I also have
the following in my make.conf .
# Load specific configuration for the kernel.
.if exists(/root/kernels/${KERNCONF}.mk)
.include /root/kernels/${KERNCONF}.mk
.endif
This way I can have settings for a different world per kernel as well.
I.e. with NO_PROFILE set for kernels without debugging. The trouble is
that different kernels still clash in the same OBJDIR. I would like to
have something like MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/${KERNCONF} , the trouble
being that it cannot be set in make.conf .
Is there a way around this restriction?
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Re: Making startup order static
--- Alex Zbyslaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I believe 6.1 uses rcorder for scripts from /usr/local/etc/rc.d, in which case you might be able to create local patches in the relevant ports which added appropriate e.g. # BEFORE: # PROVIDES: # REQUIRE: lines to force the order you want. This assumes that they do not use .sh suffixed scripts and that you use cvsup rather than portsnap, which I believe would trash your local patches. I do employ portsnap, so that would probably not be a viable solution. I am presently looking into implementing one that was suggested by a recent poster. I would have thought that there would have existed a simpler method to control on a permanent basis the loading of programs. I guess not. -- White Hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NAT+IPSEC toubles
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Re: Newbie Experience
On 11/09/06, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made the decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able to transition away from Windows with minimal disruption to my business. So, I downloaded the .iso images from FreeBSD, Suse, and Fedora. I initially favored FreeBSD, since it seemed to have the closest lineage to pure Unix, and that was important to me, but after many, many attempts to install both the OS and Gnome desktop environment, I threw up my hands. I'm confused. What compelled you to torture yourself, _then_ complain about it to a list that's sole purpose in existing is to help prevent you from torturing yourself? If you had posted many questions and got no answers, I could understand throwing up your hands. As it stands, you might want to use those hands to smack yourself for making your life more difficult than it needs to be. If you have problems, ask on the list at the time the problem occurs. Complaining after the fact (as you're doing) accomplishes nothing. While I can't speak for the project officially, I would wager to say: 1) We know our installation is not as pretty and easy as others, and 2) We don't care. We are a community. We're not Microsoft. We're not interested in driving users away by saying here's everything you need, don't bother us again. Our limited resources are focused on developing the really important parts of the system. While few would complain if the install process were made easier, nobody has the time to work on it. Become part of the community and ask questions when you have trouble. Find a local user's group. But please, please don't complain about the OS not working right when you use it wrong. The FreeBSD community is an integral part of the OS. Not making use of the FreeBSD community and then complaining that the OS is difficult to use would be like not using a mouse then complaining that MS Windows is hard to use. -- Bill Moran Well said, Sir. Jeff Rollin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to get one OBJDIR per kernel
[LoN]Kamikaze wrote:
... The trouble is
that different kernels still clash in the same OBJDIR. I would like to
have something like MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/${KERNCONF} , the trouble
being that it cannot be set in make.conf .
Is there a way around this restriction?
Just for the record I found a solution. My first test indicates that it
works fine, that makes me wonder why the restriction is there.
.if !make(dummy)
MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX= ${WRKDIRPREFIX}/${KERNCONF}
.endif
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Re: Newbie Experience
On Monday 11 September 2006 05:29, Jeff Rollin wrote: On 11/09/06, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made the decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able to transition away from Windows with minimal disruption to my business. So, I downloaded the .iso images from FreeBSD, Suse, and Fedora. I initially favored FreeBSD, since it seemed to have the closest lineage to pure Unix, and that was important to me, but after many, many attempts to install both the OS and Gnome desktop environment, I threw up my hands. I'm confused. What compelled you to torture yourself, _then_ complain about it to a list that's sole purpose in existing is to help prevent you from torturing yourself? If you had posted many questions and got no answers, I could understand throwing up your hands. As it stands, you might want to use those hands to smack yourself for making your life more difficult than it needs to be. If you have problems, ask on the list at the time the problem occurs. Complaining after the fact (as you're doing) accomplishes nothing. While I can't speak for the project officially, I would wager to say: 1) We know our installation is not as pretty and easy as others, and 2) We don't care. We are a community. We're not Microsoft. We're not interested in driving users away by saying here's everything you need, don't bother us again. Our limited resources are focused on developing the really important parts of the system. While few would complain if the install process were made easier, nobody has the time to work on it. Become part of the community and ask questions when you have trouble. Find a local user's group. But please, please don't complain about the OS not working right when you use it wrong. The FreeBSD community is an integral part of the OS. Not making use of the FreeBSD community and then complaining that the OS is difficult to use would be like not using a mouse then complaining that MS Windows is hard to use. -- Bill Moran Well said, Sir. truly. indeed it is said, that the fastest way to get the highest quantity of help, is to make a post about how horrible an operating system is, that you spent hours and hours and got nothing done, and that you have already decided that you never want to see [insert OS here] again. myself, as an admin of such a support forum (the unfortunatly now defunct linuxiso.org), i long ago learned to ignore the the ones that we have already lost, and keep my eyes open for the many more that will (usually with minutes) replace them, who are actually there to learn. cheers, jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kernel version changes release version. (was Re: How to change kernel version tag?)
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 06:22:42PM +0800, Yuan, Jue wrote: Hi all. Could I change the kernel version tag manually? say, I have a kernel which is 7.0-CUREENT, but for some reasons I wanna it be something like 6.1-RELEASE, while the kernel itself does't change from 7.0-CURRENT to 6.1-RELEASE. All I want is the change of tag. For example, if this works, then when I type uname -a in console, I would get 6.1-RELEASE ... instead of 7.0-CURRENT I guess some config files in src/sys/ could take care of this. But I cannot find it out. Anybody knows how to get this job done? Any ideas are really appreciated. :-) That seems an odd thing to do, but as it turns out, I somehow managed to do it. On Aug22, my old box had 5.3-RELEASE with a custom kernel. Here's something from a script that does backups every night, with the date as MMDDHHMMSS starting every line (hostname changed to avoid embarassment): 20060722234517:FreeBSD oldbox 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #0: Sat Nov 27 01:53:23 CST 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SPENCER1 i386 On Aug23 I upgraded to 5.4 (tried 6.1, but the old box hung repeatedly after any fsck): 20060723234514:FreeBSD oldbox 5.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE #0: Sun May 8 10:21:06 UTC 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 I installed a custom kernel on Aug 29. The release version changed. Here's what the old box says it is now: 20060729234515:FreeBSD oldbox 5.3-RELEASE-p31 FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p31 #0: Sat Jul 29 11:33:15 CDT 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/kernel.2006072910 i386 I have no idea what I did to cause the change. Anyone have any idea what happened? I'm not so sure this is a great thing. It hasn't seemed to bother anything. cvsup/portupgrade didn't seem to mind. Neither did portsnap/portmanager. Haven't tried booting with the previous kernel to see what happens, as the box needs to stay up for a while. -- Spencer PriceNash [EMAIL PROTECTED]many other addresses http://www.io.com/~spencer many other sites ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: requesting advice on freebsd as vmware guest
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Re: mod_ntln for apache2
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Sequence of execution of getopt() and usage()...
Hi,
This is a general FreeBSD source related question, and I am posting it
here, as it did not fit in any other FreeBSD lists...
While browsing through sources for different userland utilities (cat,
chmod, and so on), I noticed that in main(), first getopt() is called
in a while loop, and then the check for the number of arguments passed
is done. Something like this (from chmod.c):
int
main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
...
while ((ch = getopt(argc, argv, HLPRXfghorstuvwx)) != -1)
...
if (argc 2)
usage();
...
}
Can't we check for the number of arguments *before* calling getopt()?
Something like:
int
main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
...
if (argc 2)
usage();
...
while ((ch = getopt(argc, argv, HLPRXfghorstuvwx)) != -1)
...
}
This might make it a bit more efficient, though I don't have numbers'
to prove this.
I observe a similar pattern in other utilities too - which might mean
that there was a sound reason as to why it was done this way. Can
someone be kind enough to explain this? Thanks in advance!
Best,
Amarendra
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Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
That makes me kind angry too but many other failed to show the big corps
what the bsd* OSs worth.
Macromedia know about freebsd, the linux dev coordinator posts about freebsd
in his product blog but they don't care.. they know that having a linux
driver is enough to have a good reputation in the OSS world. There is
a 2.5Ksignatures petition regarding flash, there are
2.5M hits with freebsd macromedia search string in google, they have like
hundres of *bsd messages in the wish forms... what else can be shown to
proove that we exist? Nothing... they just don't care.. unless the whole OSS
comunity speaks.. there isn't much we can do.
Anyway, I've added some boxes to the bsdstats project.
Cheers
On 9/11/06, Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 05:34:48 -0300 (ADT)
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For those that are accusing bsdstats of being a pissing match ... I'm
personally tired of watching Linux get all the support when, IMHO, the
*BSDs are the better system ... the point of bsdstats is to show ppl
that
do not support the *BSDs (native Flash plugin anyone?) that their is a
market they are missing out on ...
well, if you put it like that, it makes more.
ATI-X drivers is something that definitely interest me ;)
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would.
The other ten percent of the time you had no right to expect that much.
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wet.
Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have
been
Warned.
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Newbie Experience #2
Thanks to *all* who responded to my whining -- you've been great, and I am going to give FreeBSD another try. Apologies to all if I sounded like a twit... I was just eager to try something new as I have had it with MS products. Regards, Bob Walker Surveys Forecasts, LLC 2323 North Street Fairfield, CT 06824-1738 T +1.203.255.0505 F +1.203.549.0635 M +1.203.685.8860 www.safllc.com NOTICE: The information in this message is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and contains confidential and privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this email in error, immediately contact the sender and destroy all copies of this email and all other documents included with it. Thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making startup order static
On Sunday 10 September 2006 19:11, White Hat wrote: FreeBSD 6.1 I need to keep several programs starting in a particular order. ... The problem is that every time I update these programs the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys the changes I have made. I've got around this problem in the past by essentially making a new startup file, so foo_enable=YES becomes myfoo_enable=YES, foo.sh becomes myfoo.sh etc. This works reasonably well, because not much actually references local startup files, in the startup sequence. For anything complicated I would write a script to automate patching of the startup scripts. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel version changes release version. (was Re: How to change kernel version tag?)
/sys/conf/newvers.sh This file will determine the kernel version tag showed at booting time. Don't know if it has anything to do with your problem. HTH :-) On 9/11/06, Spencer PriceNash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 06:22:42PM +0800, Yuan, Jue wrote: Hi all. Could I change the kernel version tag manually? say, I have a kernel which is 7.0-CUREENT, but for some reasons I wanna it be something like 6.1-RELEASE, while the kernel itself does't change from 7.0-CURRENT to 6.1-RELEASE. All I want is the change of tag. For example, if this works, then when I type uname -a in console, I would get 6.1-RELEASE ... instead of 7.0-CURRENT I guess some config files in src/sys/ could take care of this. But I cannot find it out. Anybody knows how to get this job done? Any ideas are really appreciated. :-) That seems an odd thing to do, but as it turns out, I somehow managed to do it. On Aug22, my old box had 5.3-RELEASE with a custom kernel. Here's something from a script that does backups every night, with the date as MMDDHHMMSS starting every line (hostname changed to avoid embarassment): 20060722234517:FreeBSD oldbox 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #0: Sat Nov 27 01:53:23 CST 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SPENCER1 i386 On Aug23 I upgraded to 5.4 (tried 6.1, but the old box hung repeatedly after any fsck): 20060723234514:FreeBSD oldbox 5.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE #0: Sun May 8 10:21:06 UTC 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 I installed a custom kernel on Aug 29. The release version changed. Here's what the old box says it is now: 20060729234515:FreeBSD oldbox 5.3-RELEASE-p31 FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p31 #0: Sat Jul 29 11:33:15 CDT 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/kernel.2006072910 i386 I have no idea what I did to cause the change. Anyone have any idea what happened? I'm not so sure this is a great thing. It hasn't seemed to bother anything. cvsup/portupgrade didn't seem to mind. Neither did portsnap/portmanager. Haven't tried booting with the previous kernel to see what happens, as the box needs to stay up for a while. -- Best Regards Yuan, Jue @ http://www.yuanjue.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Experience #2
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:46:13 -0400, Bob Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Thanks to *all* who responded to my whining -- you've been great, and I am going to give FreeBSD another try. Apologies to all if I sounded like a twit... I was just eager to try something new as I have had it with MS products. Regards, Bob Walker Surveys Forecasts, LLC 2323 North Street Fairfield, CT 06824-1738 T +1.203.255.0505 F +1.203.549.0635 M +1.203.685.8860 www.safllc.com Heh, no, you didn't sound like a twit. You're quite correct - everyone who uses FreeBSD knows that a better (meaning, at least to many folks, more simplified and graphical) installer would be nice. But as someone said in response to your original post, the people who currently contribute most heavily to the project are more interested in other areas. Some information about FreeBSD and this mailing list (at least IMHO - I can't and don't speak for the project, nor am I the most informed person on this list by a long shot): - It's a volunteer project. The whole OS and all the little pieces are built (with few exceptions) for love, not money, by people who earn a living working on something else. Given that, the people who do build the OS have put together something of remarkable quality over an extended period. One reason for the state of the installer is that it is considered good enough, and people with limited time would rather spend that time making sure the system almost never breaks, particularly not in mission-critical situations. - World domination is much less on the FreeBSD Project's radar screen than it is for other OSs with monetary (see Microsoft, Apple, etc.) or religious (see Linux, Free Software Foundation, GPL, Richard Stillman, etc.) motivations. So there are only 3 ways to get FreeBSD folks working on a problem that interests you: (1) pay them; (2) learn about programming and do it yourself (at a high enough standard to have your code accepted for inclusion in the OS); or (3) learn enough to be able to show at least one person with relevant programming expertise what an interesting problem this really is. - Many of us remember our own newbie experiences, and if you demonstrate some interest and a willingness to learn, there are plenty of folks on this list who can and will meet you more than halfway. - There's a fair amount of UNIX/*BSD blood flowing in OS X's innards, so if the do-it-yourself aspect gets tiring and you don't mind spending money on an OS, you may want to look at Macs. Interoperability with Windows office apps might be a bit easier to attain going that road. Jud -- I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day. - Douglas Adams ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Putting a command/script as a user's shell
Good day everyone, I'm trying to make it possible to restart (as in 'shutdown -r now') a FreeBSD based router from LAN network as easy as possible so it can be used by non-technical people. I'm sure some will ask why would I need that - it's an USB modem connecting to ADSL line that locks up sometimes and all my attempts to make it restart itself have failed. I came up with this idea: - add another user to the system, let it be 'restart' - add 'restart' to group operator - let 'restart' to login through SSH from LAN with a key (passwords forbidden) - put a restart command as it's shell (so it automagically restarts the router) Does that sound reasonably? Security is not an issue, it's secure enough for me. OK, now for technical question. I realise I cannot put arguments to the command in the shell area in passwd file, so I wrote a short script: $ cat /home/restart/restart.sh #!/bin/sh /sbin/shutdown -r now $ ls -l /home/restart/restart.sh -rwx-- 1 restart restart 33 Sep 11 15:24 put that as restart's user shell: # grep restart /etc/master.passwd restart:*:1017:1017::0:0:restart:/home/restart:/home/restart/restart.sh and tried locally but it's not working: # su - restart su: /home/restart/restart.sh: Permission denied I'm not sure where 'Permission denied' come from. Setup looks to be OK, here's what I get with /usr/bin/id as a shell: # su - restart uid=1017(restart) gid=1017(restart) groups=1017(restart), 5(operator) I'm sure I'm missing something here. Anyone have some pointers? Cheers, Karol -- Karol Kwiatkowski freebsd at orchid dot homeunix dot org OpenPGP: http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
FreeBSD installer (was Re: Newbie Experience #2)
On Monday 11 September 2006 15:56, Jud wrote: everyone who uses FreeBSD knows that a better (meaning, at least to many folks, more simplified and graphical) installer would be nice Perhaps as an option. The problem is that you need to install a graphical environment to run a graphical installer. Simplicity means different things to different people, too. I set up new and replacement servers, using commodity hardware for cost reasons, for our various offices around South Africa. I used to have a KVM switch with a spare monitor and keyboard in my office for doing the installations, or if I was going elsewhere to install delivered hardware or update an existing box, we needed to arrange a spare screen and keyboard at the location. I now have a slightly-adjusted installation CD (I downloaded the disc 1 and 2 ISO images from Freebsd.org, unpacked disc 1 onto a hard drive and edited boot/loader.conf, adding the line console=comconsole then made a new ISO and burned to a fresh CD labelled ``disc 1- serial''). Now the only time my servers get a screen/keyboard connected is to configure the BIOS when they are first unpacked. Otherwise the basic install is done from the serial boot CD with my laptop as a serial terminal, up to the point where I can ssh to the box and start customising, adding packages etc. From my point of view it doesn't get simpler than that. Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Putting a command/script as a user's shell
--- Karol Kwiatkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good day everyone, I'm trying to make it possible to restart (as in 'shutdown -r now') a FreeBSD based router from LAN network as easy as possible so it can be used by non-technical people. I'm sure some will ask why would I need that - it's an USB modem connecting to ADSL line that locks up sometimes and all my attempts to make it restart itself have failed. I came up with this idea: - add another user to the system, let it be 'restart' - add 'restart' to group operator - let 'restart' to login through SSH from LAN with a key (passwords forbidden) - put a restart command as it's shell (so it automagically restarts the router) Does that sound reasonably? Security is not an issue, it's secure enough for me. OK, now for technical question. I realise I cannot put arguments to the command in the shell area in passwd file, so I wrote a short script: $ cat /home/restart/restart.sh #!/bin/sh /sbin/shutdown -r now $ ls -l /home/restart/restart.sh -rwx-- 1 restart restart 33 Sep 11 15:24 put that as restart's user shell: # grep restart /etc/master.passwd restart:*:1017:1017::0:0:restart:/home/restart:/home/restart/restart.sh and tried locally but it's not working: # su - restart su: /home/restart/restart.sh: Permission denied I'm not sure where 'Permission denied' come from. Setup looks to be OK, here's what I get with /usr/bin/id as a shell: # su - restart uid=1017(restart) gid=1017(restart) groups=1017(restart), 5(operator) I'm sure I'm missing something here. Anyone have some pointers? Cheers, Karol -- Karol Kwiatkowski freebsd at orchid dot homeunix dot org OpenPGP: http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc make the shell script group executable and make it group operator maybe try making it owned by root. I think what is happening is it is running under the priveledges of restart not operator because operators groups cannot execute the command only the restart user can due to the priveledges. And when the restart.sh passes its group priveledges to the sript callout to shutdown it fails because shutdown can only run as operator. That would be my guess -brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
device vt causes boot freeze
I installed a custom kernel with vt console driver enabled. I also enabled vt in /boot/device.hints. Now my boot process freezes just after the countdown finishes. The hard drive busy indicator is always on. If I disable vt and enable sc at the boot loader prompt (set hint.vt.0.disabled=1, unset hint.sc.0.disabled) then I can boot fine with sc. I did not encounter any problems during building or install. Am I missing something in the kernel configuration file? Am I using /boot/device.hints properly? Can I enable both sc and vt in device.hints? thanks anton The details: %uname -imprs FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 i386 TRY %cat /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/TRY machine i386 cpu I686_CPU ident TRY # To statically compile in device wiring instead of /boot/device.hints #hints GENERIC.hints # Default places to look for devices. makeoptions DEBUG=-g# Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols #optionsSCHED_ULE # ULE scheduler options SCHED_4BSD # 4BSD scheduler options PREEMPTION # Enable kernel thread preemption options INET# InterNETworking options INET6 # IPv6 communications protocols options FFS # Berkeley Fast Filesystem options SOFTUPDATES # Enable FFS soft updates support options UFS_ACL # Support for access control lists options UFS_DIRHASH # Improve performance on big directories options MD_ROOT # MD is a potential root device options MSDOSFS # MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 # ISO 9660 Filesystem options PROCFS # Process filesystem (requires PSEUDOFS) options PSEUDOFS# Pseudo-filesystem framework options GEOM_GPT# GUID Partition Tables. options COMPAT_43 # Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 # Compatible with FreeBSD4 options COMPAT_FREEBSD5 # Compatible with FreeBSD5 options SCSI_DELAY=5000 # Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI options KTRACE # ktrace(1) support options SYSVSHM # SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG # SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM # SYSV-style semaphores options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B real-time extensions options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV# install a CDEV entry in /dev options AHC_REG_PRETTY_PRINT# Print register bitfields in debug # output. Adds ~128k to driver. options AHD_REG_PRETTY_PRINT# Print register bitfields in debug # output. Adds ~215k to driver. options ADAPTIVE_GIANT # Giant mutex is adaptive. device apic# I/O APIC # Bus support. device pci # Floppy drives device fdc # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives options ATA_STATIC_ID # Static device numbering # SCSI peripherals device scbus # SCSI bus (required for SCSI) #device ch # SCSI media changers device da # Direct Access (disks) #device cd # CD #device pass# Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc # AT keyboard controller device atkbd # AT keyboard device psm # PS/2 mouse device vga # VGA video card driver # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc # Enable this for the pcvt (VT220 compatible) console driver device vt options XSERVER # support for X server on a vt console options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor # Add suspend/resume support for the i8254. device pmtimer # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support # PCMCIA and cardbus bridge support device cbb # cardbus (yenta) bridge device pccard # PC Card (16-bit) bus device cardbus # CardBus (32-bit) bus # Serial (COM) ports device sio # 8250, 16[45]50 based serial ports # Parallel port device ppc device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt # Printer device plip# TCP/IP over parallel device ppi # Parallel port interface device # PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII
Re: FreeBSD installer (was Re: Newbie Experience #2)
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:26:33 +0200, Jonathan McKeown [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Monday 11 September 2006 15:56, Jud wrote: everyone who uses FreeBSD knows that a better (meaning, at least to many folks, more simplified and graphical) installer would be nice Perhaps as an option. The problem is that you need to install a graphical environment to run a graphical installer. Simplicity means different things to different people, too. [snip] Now the only time my servers get a screen/keyboard connected is to configure the BIOS when they are first unpacked. Otherwise the basic install is done from the serial boot CD with my laptop as a serial terminal, up to the point where I can ssh to the box and start customising, adding packages etc. From my point of view it doesn't get simpler than that. Yes, I meant at least to many folks literally - there are many people for whom a graphical installer would be overcomplication. I personally like the The BSD Installer URL: http://www.bsdinstaller.org/; it just happens to suit the way I install a system in that it makes available most of what I tweak and I don't use most of what it hides. I wish the Summer of Code project to adapt it for FreeBSD installation (URL: http://wikitest.freebsd.org/BSDInstaller were more alive than it appears to be. Jud -- I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day. - Douglas Adams ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Putting a command/script as a user's shell
On Monday 11 September 2006 09:20, Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: Good day everyone, I'm trying to make it possible to restart (as in 'shutdown -r now') a FreeBSD based router from LAN network as easy as possible so it can be used by non-technical people. First of all, it's easy enough to do this securely that you might as well do it. Install sudo, and use visudo to create a sudoers file with entries like: User_AliasREBOOTERS = username1,username2,username3 REBOOTERS ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /sbin/reboot Next, create a reboot script for them: # cat /usr/local/sbin/reboot.sh sudo /sbin/reboot Finally, use OpenSSH's built-in options to run the script at login. From sshd(8): AUTHORIZED_KEYS FILE FORMAT [] command=command Specifies that the command is executed whenever this key is used for authentication. So, make each user's authorized_keys file look something like: ssh-rsa [long base64 string] [EMAIL PROTECTED] command=/usr/local/sbin/reboot.sh Alternatively, do all the above for one single account: your restart user. Use authorized_keys to limit which of your real users has access to reboot the machine, and use ssh -l restart balkyrouter.example.com to trigger it. You could even go so far as to add a clause to /etc/ssh/ssh_config (or ~/.ssh/config for each individual user) like: Host rebootrouter Hostname balkyrouter.example.com User restart so that your users just run ssh rebootrouter. So, to recap, when a user logs in, the reboot.sh script will be executed. It will use sudo to run the reboot command as root, without prompting the user to enter any password. It's easy, it works, and it doesn't require any setuid trickery or special accounts or anything else. -- Kirk Strauser pgp6bWTuEAWYV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie Experience
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:32:40 -0400
Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We are a community. We're not Microsoft. We're not interested in
driving users away by saying here's everything you need, don't bother
us again. Our limited resources are focused on developing the really
important parts of the system. While few would complain if the
install process were made easier, nobody has the time to work on it.
Become part of the community and ask questions when you have trouble.
Find a local user's group. But please, please don't complain about the
OS not working right when you use it wrong. The FreeBSD community is
an integral part of the OS. Not making use of the FreeBSD community
and then complaining that the OS is difficult to use would be like not
using a mouse then complaining that MS Windows is hard to use.
nicely put Bill :)
I would add, spend some time each day reading the mailing lists and help where
you can, and ask where you can't :)
in light of that... i've read about at least 1 project to improve on our
installer (SOC 2005) - is that already in place in Fbsd 6? (dont think
so...seems pretty similar to the old one to me...)
Any other related projects to improve the installer? I *KNOW* it isn't the most
important part of the system, but every bit counts, and I think that having
both a ncurses and a GUI (non-ncurses ;) )based installer would be quite nice
and modern. And I'd be definitely happy to help where I can. PC-BSD has one,
right?
anyway...just looking for pointers atm...
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Re: FreeBSD installer (was Re: Newbie Experience #2)
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:26:33 +0200
Jonathan McKeown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 11 September 2006 15:56, Jud wrote:
everyone who uses FreeBSD knows that a better (meaning,
at least to many folks, more simplified and graphical)
installer would be nice
Perhaps as an option. The problem is that you need to install a graphical
environment to run a graphical installer. Simplicity means different things
to different people, too.
absolutely. but you don't need to install anything to run a graphical
installer. And, ideally, you wouldn't be forced to have only the graphical
installer option, you'd still be able to use the good old ncurses or hack your
own -serial one :)
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to write good code. Eric Raymond
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Re: Torrentflux, PHP, and Apache
torrentflux has it's own forum for problems like this. Please consult http://www.torrentflux.com/forum for help. I don't check that forum anymore as I'm a dev for b4rt's mod. If you can't get any help from the official TF folks, email me off-list and I'll see what I can do. On 9/10/06, Ryan Winograd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have a strange problem here. I just installed torrentflux on my freebsd6.1 box and it was working great for a few minutes. Then, for some reason i can't figure out, i was no longer able to view index.php. Other php files were parsed by the server just fine, but for some reason when i tried to access index.php I either got actual php code or a blank file. Let me reiterate that the other php pages for just fine...so I am a little confused. Any advice? Ideas on what could be causing this? Thanks in advance, ryan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++_p
Viswas Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I get the message /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++_p while building the xfe X11 file manager. A google did not give any ideas. Need help. Well, start with whether libstdc++_p.a actually exists in /usr/lib. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Experience
In response to Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Any other related projects to improve the installer? I *KNOW* it isn't the most important part of the system, but every bit counts, and I think that having both a ncurses and a GUI (non-ncurses ;) )based installer would be quite nice and modern. And I'd be definitely happy to help where I can. PC-BSD has one, right? The community _is_ aware of the deficiency. It just hasn't completed an acceptable replacement yet. Probably the best known attempt was libh: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/libh.html The libh project is just waiting around for someone to revitalize it. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Experience
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:42:19PM +0200, Andreas Davour wrote: Too bad you felt it was that horrific. In my experience FreeBSD is sometimes a bit harder than modern Linux distros to install, but are much nicer to maintain and use. I found leaning linux was much harder because there wore no mailing list compaired to the ones FreeBSD has. A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Top-posting! -- Alex Please copy the original recipients, otherwise I may not read your reply. Howtos based on my personal use, including information about setting up a firewall and creating traffic graphs with MRTG http://alex.kruijff.org/FreeBSD/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Experience
On 2006 Sep 11, Bill Moran wrote: In response to Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Any other related projects to improve the installer? I *KNOW* it isn't the most important part of the system, but every bit counts, and I think that having both a ncurses and a GUI (non-ncurses ;) )based installer would be quite nice and modern. And I'd be definitely happy to help where I can. PC-BSD has one, right? The community _is_ aware of the deficiency. It just hasn't completed an acceptable replacement yet. Probably the best known attempt was libh: I'm very happy with the installer as it is. I usually use floppies and then install via ftp, so I'd prefer to keep the installer as small as possible. Maybe even ncurses is not necessary. anton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD installer (was Re: Newbie Experience #2)
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:51:28 +0200
Alex de Kruijff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
absolutely. but you don't need to install anything to run a graphical
installer. And, ideally, you wouldn't be forced to have only the graphical
installer option, you'd still be able to use the good old ncurses or hack
your own -serial one :)
But then two versions of a installer have to be maintained, meaning more
work. Everyone can use the ncurses version. Its seems to me that the
time it takes to make a second version could better go in to other
parts of FreeBSD.
not if both read the same config and display it in a different manner, very
much like the Linux kernel's make config / menuconfig / xconfig
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Re: Newbie Experience
In response to Anton Shterenlikht [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 2006 Sep 11, Bill Moran wrote: In response to Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Any other related projects to improve the installer? I *KNOW* it isn't the most important part of the system, but every bit counts, and I think that having both a ncurses and a GUI (non-ncurses ;) )based installer would be quite nice and modern. And I'd be definitely happy to help where I can. PC-BSD has one, right? The community _is_ aware of the deficiency. It just hasn't completed an acceptable replacement yet. Probably the best known attempt was libh: I'm very happy with the installer as it is. I usually use floppies and then install via ftp, so I'd prefer to keep the installer as small as possible. Maybe even ncurses is not necessary. One of the goals of libh was to build a library that could display in a number of different ways: i.e. graphical or curses. It's possible that libh stalled because their goals were too lofty ... -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing 6.1 on Compaq Proliant 5000
Good morning, Mr. Mittelstaedt. Again, many thanks for your response to my question. My original purpose in purchasing the computer was to install multiple operating systems for hobbyist purpose. The computer's major selling point was that it has five hard drives. My original idea was to install a different operating system on each one. When I discovered that it had the rather sophisticated RAID-5 system implemented in hardware, I discarded that idea in favor of partitioning the hard drive to install the operating systems. The next operating system that I wanted after Windows Server 2000, with which it came equipped was FreeBSD. This project has become painfully involved, first of all, because I did not understand the fact, documented nowhere, that the BIOS of a computer intended to be a server is totally different from the BIOS of a computer intended to be a workstation. With experience, and with information eventually traded across the internet from other computer enthusiasts trying to do the same thing, I have eventually gained enough understanding of the BIOS to proceed. The process has also been stymied by the fact that the developers of the boot program for sysinstall have failed, even in its latest edition, to install in BOOT the necessary features to read the output of a Compaq server BIOS, in particular the ability to correctly interpret the size of memory. Thanks to you, other respondents, and experience, I feel that I now have a grip of that issue. My latest problem stems from the fact that I had intended to install a portion of the BSD operating system in a primary Windows partition (BSD slice) below the 1024 cylinder limit, and the rest of it in a larger Windows logical partition within the extended partition, above 1024 cylinders. Even though the handbook, as well as several other documents, clearly states that the operating system cannot be loaded into a logical partition, the implication of that statement did not register in my brain until I tried to do it. I wonder if system designers realize the extent to which the requirements that the entire system, or at least the boot BSD partition be loaded below 1024 cylinders, and the requirement that the operating system not be loaded into the extended Windows partition are in conflict in a multiple operating system environment. Some documentation says that the 1024 cylinder limit does not apply in many cases, but it never says when it applies and when it does not apply. I feel, that to make this system work, I will have to use some type of exotic partition manager such as Ranish or XOSL that can create a large number of primary partitions. I had originally wished to stick with GNU tools such as parted and grub. I realize my explanation is a bit long winded, but I hope it clarifies my goals. Yours truly, Lee Shackelford Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To o.comfreebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Lee Shackelford 09/06/2006 11:07 [EMAIL PROTECTED] PM cc Subject Re: installing 6.1 on Compaq Proliant 5000 This isn't unusual, it happens with certain array cards. If the disk drivers of each different operating system don't agree in how the disk is laid out that the intelligent driver array controller presents to them, then your screwed - you cannot use the array card for a multi-boot system. Sometimes you can get away with it by installing FreeBSD on part of the disk, and a subsequent disk driver will see the FreeBSD partition and understand not to overwrite it. But, sometimes not. It strikes me that Win 2003 Server is going to run dogpile slow, I simply cannot fathom why you want to multiboot this system in the first place. The only OS's that are going to run worth a damn on it are Linux and FreeBSD, and you just need to pick one or the other. Ted PS: You do understand the
Re: Window Manager Recommendations
Gerard, Thanks for the recommendations. I'm still using Windows at work, so I'll keep your recommendations in mind. Let me explain the situation, just for your peace of mind: Let's say I'm writing something in a word processor; I want to check something on the internet, or I want to initiate a download. I open my browser and click on a few things and then go back to my word processor while I'm waiting for a webpage to load. The annoying behavior is that Ill be typing, and I type darn fast, and then when the webpage is done loading, the focus will shift and I'll still be typing. I'll type half a word before I realize that I'm now looking at a webpage. Sometimes I even use the alt key or the control key and that's when it can really skrew me up. Come to think of it, it's only Internet explorer that does this. Thanks, Joel Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joel Adamson wrote: I am switching over my desktop system to FreeBSD soon and want to choose a nice window manager. One of the more annoying things I want to get away from in Microsoft Windows is focus-shifting: I'll be typing along in one place, then a webpage will finish loading, the window focus shifts, I keep typing and execute a bunch of commands in the new window (chosen by Windows, rather than by me, who would be content to keep typing and go to the webpage when I'm good and ready). I prefer KDE myself, but there are many options out there to choose from. BTW, the Window's scenario you describe is totally configurable. You could start by downloading 'Power Tools': http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx That should take care of most of your easily corrected problems until you settle on a new GUI. I am slightly perplexed by the webpage will finish loading ... passage however. Are you inferring that a page just mysteriously loaded on its own? More than likely you initialed the operation. The majority of people I believe would want the page that they are opening to become the primary focus point. You can change the configuration to have pages open in the background however, although I fail to see why. -- Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joel J. Adamson Arlington, MA - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I give 2 parameters to programs in an unix enviroment?
On 8 September 2006, at 08:10, Lasse Edlund wrote: If I have two files foo and bar and try to run diff on them I write: $diff foo bar I can also write $cat foo | diff - bar But how do I give a program two (2) commands? not only to diff but to any program that wants double input... I wanna do $cat foo | cat bar | diff - - The entire purpose of cat is to concatenate files (make them output one after another). So, do: cat foo bar | diff - - especially with echo commands that would be handy so I dont have to create files! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) svinx yknow when you go to a party, and everyones hooked up except one guy and one girl svinx and so they look at each other like.. do we have to? svinx intel nvidia must be lookin at each other like that right now Phone Voice: +1 251 589 6348 Fax: Call the voice number and ask. Email General chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Large attachments: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPS-related stuff: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM AIM: hackmiester1337 Skype: hackmiester31337 YIM: hackm1ester Gtalk: hackmiester MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Xfire: hackmiester ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NAT+IPSEC toubles
Administrators wrote: Hi, I'm building VPN connected to CISCO device. I NEED to translate my LAN adress to a given adress. The VPN work well when I try doing ifconfig em0 alias [EMAIL PROTECTED] ping -S [EMAIL PROTECTED] dest_@ but I didn't manage to translate LAN adresse AND having VPN used. I can pass throug VPN using actual adress but the CISCO endpoint drop it or I translate, but packets didn't go in the VPN. Any idea ? IPSec does not work across NAT. The problem is authenticated headers which simply won't work because it assumes the ip header to be untouched. If you have a natting box this will rewrite the source/destination ip which means that the recipient cannot verify the authencity of the packet. You should be able to get things working without AH. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org X.509 Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/8D03551FFCE04F0C.crt Key ID: 69:79:B8:2C:E3:8F:E7:BE:5D:C3:C3:B1:74:62:B8:3F:9F:1F:69:B9 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Network mail
On 8 September 2006, at 11:45, Jerold McAllister wrote: hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) writes: I'm old school. Back in my day, we didn't have the Internet we have today, and our UNIX boxes could mail over the network we had strung. I don't care what mail app I use. I just want to be able to have two boxes, boxbox and snowy, for example, and be able to 'mail boxbox' from snowy and vice versa. This has to be on a system-wide basis, so people on my shell server can do it easily. Any ideas? A quick tutorial? -- hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) If you have some network connection between the two boxes (and any others) Just follow the handbook and set up sendmail on each. If you do not want Email from anywhere else, then set it up to accept mail connections only from those two boxen. You don't need any of the other fancy stuff out there unless you see some feature that you just gotta have. So, as long as I set up sendmail and one host knows the other's name and can resolve it, it will Just Work™? jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) svinx yknow when you go to a party, and everyones hooked up except one guy and one girl svinx and so they look at each other like.. do we have to? svinx intel nvidia must be lookin at each other like that right now Phone Voice: +1 251 589 6348 Fax: Call the voice number and ask. Email General chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Large attachments: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPS-related stuff: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM AIM: hackmiester1337 Skype: hackmiester31337 YIM: hackm1ester Gtalk: hackmiester MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Xfire: hackmiester ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Experience
On 9/11/06, Bob Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made the decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able to transition away from Windows with minimal disruption to my business. So, I downloaded the .iso images from FreeBSD, Suse, and Fedora. I initially favored FreeBSD, since it seemed to have the closest lineage to pure Unix, and that was important to me, but after many, many attempts to install both the OS and Gnome desktop environment, I threw up my hands. In brief, the installation process is just awful. After multiple attempts on an admittedly older machine (Pentium II 266Mhz, 256KB ram, 30GB hard drive, S3 Virge graphics card), I was able to get the FreeBSD OS installed, but could not configure Gnome or KDE properly. The documentation is sketchy at best. I had to learn about X11, Xorg, XFree86, and all of the gory history of X before I could even begin to use ee and know to edit the /etc/rc.conf file. The installation process did not recognize my graphics card or Ethernet connection, and all I could get was a crude 600x800 display. And DesktopBSD was even worse. I then repartitioned my drive and sequentially installed Fedora Core 5 amd then Suse 10.1. Both were EASY to install, Fedora in particular recognized all of my peripherals, and I was up and running with it in about two hours. Conversely, FreeBSD took me multiple days and has still left me bewildered. Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative OS) among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, email). FreeBSD has an awful out of the box experience. It's too bad, because I think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll never really know. Regards, too bad, you experienced that, the FreeBSD sysinstall is not that really hard, it may seem daunting at first because of its text mode but it is very straight forward, i guess you have to read the handbook over and over again to fully comprehend the things you missed why things like X is not working, it will also help if you will include the error messages as to why you can't run/install gnome or kde. imo you missed some dependencies that's why you're having a hard time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Restore master.passwd from pwd.db and spwd.db
Hello, after some weird disk accident I have only pwd.db and spwd.db from my passwd files left. Passwd and master.passwd are missing. Couln't find them in /lost+found too. The system is running, but I can not add new users, of course (baybe only using pwd_mkdb -u ). Is there any way how to reconstruct master.passwd ? I was searching through the archives and dind't finde the answer. I was also trying to look into pwd_mkdb source, but ... Thanks in advance Leo Mrafko ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Restore master.passwd from pwd.db and spwd.db
On 9/11/06, Leo Mrafko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, after some weird disk accident I have only pwd.db and spwd.db from my passwd files left. Passwd and master.passwd are missing. Couln't find them in /lost+found too. The system is running, but I can not add new users, of course (baybe only using pwd_mkdb -u ). Is there any way how to reconstruct master.passwd ? I was searching through the archives and dind't finde the answer. I was also trying to look into pwd_mkdb source, but ... /var/backups contains a few files you may need. Thanks in advance Leo Mrafko ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sequence of execution of getopt() and usage()...
On Sep 11, 2006, at 5:27 AM, Amarendra Godbole wrote: This is a general FreeBSD source related question, and I am posting it here, as it did not fit in any other FreeBSD lists... This list is a quite reasonable choice to ask such questions. :-) While browsing through sources for different userland utilities (cat, chmod, and so on), I noticed that in main(), first getopt() is called in a while loop, and then the check for the number of arguments passed is done. Something like this (from chmod.c): [ ... ] Can't we check for the number of arguments *before* calling getopt()? [ ... ] I observe a similar pattern in other utilities too - which might mean that there was a sound reason as to why it was done this way. Can someone be kind enough to explain this? Thanks in advance! Sure. The issue is that utilities which require a certain number of arguments do not want to count the option flags being passed in, but argc's count includes these flags and any values being passed to flags which take a value (ie, getopt() options followed by a colon :). It's much easier to process the options and then do argc -= optind, and then determine whether the remaining # of arguments left meet the criteria for the particular program. -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Restore master.passwd from pwd.db and spwd.db
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, michael johnson wrote: On 9/11/06, Leo Mrafko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, after some weird disk accident I have only pwd.db and spwd.db from my passwd files left. Passwd and master.passwd are missing. Couln't find them in /lost+found too. The system is running, but I can not add new users, of course (baybe only using pwd_mkdb -u ). Is there any way how to reconstruct master.passwd ? I was searching through the archives and dind't finde the answer. I was also trying to look into pwd_mkdb source, but ... /var/backups contains a few files you may need. Yeah, really, thanks, I found there some backup. But I still wonder, if there is a possibily to reconstruct master passwd back from .db files, e.g. in case this backup is not up-to-date. I think it should be possible, but I don't knw how.. Thanks Leo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Experience
On 11/09/06, jan gestre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/11/06, Bob Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made the decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able to transition away from Windows with minimal disruption to my business. So, I downloaded the .iso images from FreeBSD, Suse, and Fedora. I initially favored FreeBSD, since it seemed to have the closest lineage to pure Unix, and that was important to me, but after many, many attempts to install both the OS and Gnome desktop environment, I threw up my hands. In brief, the installation process is just awful. After multiple attempts on an admittedly older machine (Pentium II 266Mhz, 256KB ram, 30GB hard drive, S3 Virge graphics card), I was able to get the FreeBSD OS installed, but could not configure Gnome or KDE properly. The documentation is sketchy at best. I had to learn about X11, Xorg, XFree86, and all of the gory history of X before I could even begin to use ee and know to edit the /etc/rc.conf file. The installation process did not recognize my graphics card or Ethernet connection, and all I could get was a crude 600x800 display. And DesktopBSD was even worse. I then repartitioned my drive and sequentially installed Fedora Core 5 amd then Suse 10.1. Both were EASY to install, Fedora in particular recognized all of my peripherals, and I was up and running with it in about two hours. Conversely, FreeBSD took me multiple days and has still left me bewildered. Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative OS) among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, email). FreeBSD has an awful out of the box experience. It's too bad, because I think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll never really know. Regards, too bad, you experienced that, the FreeBSD sysinstall is not that really hard, it may seem daunting at first because of its text mode but it is very straight forward, i guess you have to read the handbook over and over again to fully comprehend the things you missed why things like X is not working, it will also help if you will include the error messages as to why you can't run/install gnome or kde. imo you missed some dependencies that's why you're having a hard time. Discussions like these leave me lost for words... The last time I had trouble with a FreeBSD install, it was because sysinstall neglected to install a kernel! (I remember the days when people used to complain about (n)curses-based Linux installs... Fire up Windows XP's setup.exe, and what do you get?!) Which is to say, apart from the occasional bug I really don't see what the problem is with sysinstall. To me it's the best thing this side of YaST for getting (certain areas of) system administration done. (Yeah, I know a lot of you probably hate YaST in particular or Linux in general... whilst I like FreeBSD, I have to say that it really suffers in comparison to Linux in the area of driver support. I know that's not all the FBSD developers' fault, but when you're sat there fighting with a piece of recalcitrant hardware, surprisingly enough assigning blame to where it belongs is often the last thing on your mind!) It's really hard to make a cock-up with FreeBSD installation - apart from not knowing how much space to set aside! There really ought to be something about that in the manual This is going off-topic quite a bit, but the same could be said for NetBSD (not, in my experience, with OpenBSD.) They're really hard to cock-up if you just *follow* *the darned* *instructions*. After coming away from Windows, it's actually nice to have some decent documentation! Jeff Rollin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Restore master.passwd from pwd.db and spwd.db
On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Leo Mrafko wrote: /var/backups contains a few files you may need. Yeah, really, thanks, I found there some backup. But I still wonder, if there is a possibily to reconstruct master passwd back from .db files, e.g. in case this backup is not up-to-date. I think it should be possible, but I don't knw how.. You should be able to use pwd_mkdb -p; see the manpage. -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Restore master.passwd from pwd.db and spwd.db
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Leo Mrafko wrote: /var/backups contains a few files you may need. Yeah, really, thanks, I found there some backup. But I still wonder, if there is a possibily to reconstruct master passwd back from .db files, e.g. in case this backup is not up-to-date. I think it should be possible, but I don't knw how.. You should be able to use pwd_mkdb -p; see the manpage. Thanks, but sorry, this can only make passwd from master.passwd, AFAIK. Leo -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Experience
On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Rollin wrote: Discussions like these leave me lost for words... Perhaps, although it seems you recovered quickly. :-) Which is to say, apart from the occasional bug I really don't see what the problem is with sysinstall. Credits: It's highly functional. It can configure a lot of things about a FreeBSD system, either during or after the installation of the system. It's CLI/remote-serial-console friendly. Debits: It's oriented towards technical people. People who don't understand computers well in general, and the details of disk layouts in particular, tend to get hopelessly confused. Not only do they usually not know how to access the help inside sysinstall, many times the help text is not available, or is not comprehensible unless you have the already-mentioned technical background. Fortunately, the outstanding docs available for FreeBSD do a lot to walk people through the process, even novices. Unfortunately, people want to use computers without having to read the docs. Just ask your mom/grandparents/etc. :-) To me it's the best thing this side of YaST for getting (certain areas of) system administration done. (Yeah, I know a lot of you probably hate YaST in particular or Linux in general... Why would you think that? I'd imagine that most of the people using FreeBSD end up having a Linux box or two around for one reason or another. As for YaST, well, whatever gets the job done. It reminds me a bit too much of SMIT from AIX, or perhaps cPanel or Webmin, but other people seem to prefer such interfaces to a CLI prompt. -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IBM Netfinity 3500 and 5.5
Hello! Is anyone successfully running RELENG_5_5 on IBM Netfinity 3500? I have one such machine here (Type 8644-10X, with IBM ServeRAID 3L) that was running RELENG_5_4 (and 5.3 before that, IIRC) quite happily. Now I cvsupped to RELENG_5_5 and built a new world and kernel, but when booting the new kernel the boot process just hangs after these two lines: ata0: channel #0 on atapci0 ata1: channel #1 on atapci0 After these two lines have been printed, the machine hangs hard. Pressing the NumLock key on the keyboard doesn't affect the NumLock led. Only thing that remains to do is to press the power button. Googling brought me (to my surprise) to FreeBSD 5.5-RELEASE i386 installation notes that I had neglected to read. It says there that Netfinity 3500 may hang when onboard NIC is configured. So I rebooted after disabling the onboard NIC in BIOS, but that didn't help - booting still hangs at the same place. Additionally the same problem is noted in installation notes for 5.4 and 5.3, which run successfully on this box. And anyway, the hang happens long before the NIC is configured (or even long before it is probed when 5.4 boots - not sure about 5.5, maybe the device probing order has changed). Other things I have tried (and all with same miserable results): - Booting with GENERIC kernel - Booting with ACPI disabled - Removing all USB device support from kernel (during booting of FreeBSD 5.4, the next line in dmesg after ata0 and ata1 is uhci0) - Disabling USB support in BIOS - Disabling SMP support in BIOS Anything else I should try, before cvsupping (cvsdowning?) back to RELENG_5_4? I would like to avoid going to 6 right now, since that would involve a lot of port rebuilding. -- Toomas Aas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Experience
From: Alex de Kruijff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:42:19PM +0200, Andreas Davour wrote:
Too bad you felt it was that horrific.
In my experience FreeBSD is sometimes a bit harder than modern Linux
distros to install, but are much nicer to maintain and use.
I found leaning linux was much harder because there wore no mailing list
compaired to the ones FreeBSD has.
A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
Top-posting!
You must HATE blogs.
{^_-}
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Re: How do I give 2 parameters to programs in an unix enviroment?
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) wrote: On 8 September 2006, at 08:10, Lasse Edlund wrote: If I have two files foo and bar and try to run diff on them I write: $diff foo bar I can also write $cat foo | diff - bar But how do I give a program two (2) commands? not only to diff but to any program that wants double input... I wanna do $cat foo | cat bar | diff - - The entire purpose of cat is to concatenate files (make them output one after another). So, do: cat foo bar | diff - - This advice is wrong. To answer the original question: the shell pipe connects the stdout of the first process to the stdin of the second process using a pipe. The stock shells don't have a way of doing what you're after. If you have fdescfs mounted, ksh can do something like what you're after using the syntax: diff (cat foo) (cat bar) zsh supports something similar and can work around the lack of fdescfs. -- jan grant, ISYS, University of Bristol. http://www.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44 (0)117 3317661 http://ioctl.org/jan/ ( echo ouroboros; cat ) /dev/fd/0 # it's like talking to yourself sometimes ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Extensions and Themes in Firefox
Hi list, I'm using FBSD 6.1-RELEASE and I'm having trouble downloading extensions and themes in firefox (installed from packages). They all complain that they're not supported in Unknown. Any ideas on how to fix this, please? TIA Jeff Rollin -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Extensions and Themes in Firefox
On 9/11/06, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, I'm using FBSD 6.1-RELEASE and I'm having trouble downloading extensions and themes in firefox (installed from packages). They all complain that they're not supported in Unknown. What theme/extension are you trying to install? Any ideas on how to fix this, please? TIA Jeff Rollin -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ATA driver
Has anyone ported the ata drivers with SATA support back to 4.x? It is doable or are there some new kernel structures that won't port? DT __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Experience
Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative OS) among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, email). FreeBSD has an awful out of the box experience. It's too bad, because I think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll never really know. Regards, too bad, you experienced that, the FreeBSD sysinstall is not that really hard, it may seem daunting at first because of its text mode but it is very straight forward, i guess you have to read the handbook over and over again to fully comprehend the things you missed why things like X is not working, it will also help if you will include the error messages as to why you can't run/install gnome or kde. imo you missed some dependencies that's why you're having a hard time. When I first installed FreeBSD, circa 2003, version 4.9, the two reasons I chose it over Redhat and Debian were the simplicity of the installation and good manual. The install process on REdhat and Debian was awkward, at least for me, and I could not make them work on my old compaq armada laptop. In contrast just following the manual and choosing default install parameters I got Freebsd working fast. During the installation I actually learned a lot about unix and Freebsd, the sort of details which are important to know anyway. It is hard to find the right balance between simplicity and functionality. It seems the balance in the Freebsd install is about right. anton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
samba and localhost?
Hey List- running: 6.1-stable samba: 3.0.23b Question about the loopback interface for sambaI've got a dual-homed host and when I set this in my smb.cnf bind interfaces only = yes interfaces = em0 lo0 hosts deny = ALL hosts allow = 10.0.0.0/24 127. I get errors when running samab tests stating: querying ECW on 127.255.255.255 Sending a packet of len 50 to (127.255.255.255) on port 137 Packet send failed to 127.255.255.255(137) ERRNO=Can't assign requested address name_query failed to find name ECW#1d I do have PF filter running, but I don't see any blocks on the pf logs. When I'm actually trying to do anything with samba I just get can't find login server errors. When I modify this to: interfaces = em0 then most of my services work fine, but I can't use net commands, etc.. since they try and connect on the localhost. How can I fix this? Henrik -- Henrik Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- God, root, what is difference? Pitr; UF (http://www.userfriendly.org/) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Extensions and Themes in Firefox
Quoting Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi list, I'm using FBSD 6.1-RELEASE and I'm having trouble downloading extensions and themes in firefox (installed from packages). They all complain that they're not supported in Unknown. Any ideas on how to fix this, please? TIA Jeff Rollin -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I solved this problem on my freebsd 6.1-STABLE box by deinstalling all graphical web tools (Opera, Firefox, etc) enabling linux binary compatibility, and then installing the linux versions of all those graphical www tools I had just installed. then the linux-plugins I'm very pleased with the results, as many plugings dont have a BSD version. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Window Manager Recommendations
On 2006 Sep 11, Joel Adamson wrote: Gerard, Thanks for the recommendations. I'm still using Windows at work, so I'll keep your recommendations in mind. Let me explain the situation, just for your peace of mind: Let's say I'm writing something in a word processor; I want to check something on the internet, or I want to initiate a download. I open my browser and click on a few things and then go back to my word processor while I'm waiting for a webpage to load. The annoying behavior is that Ill be typing, and I type darn fast, and then when the webpage is done loading, the focus will shift and I'll still be typing. I'll type half a word before I realize that I'm now looking at a webpage. Sometimes I even use the alt key or the control key and that's when it can really skrew me up. I've been using xfce and mwm and never had problems with focus shifting. anton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Experience
On Monday 11 September 2006 2:12 pm, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative OS) among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, email). FreeBSD has an awful out of the box experience. It's too bad, because I think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll never really know. Regards, too bad, you experienced that, the FreeBSD sysinstall is not that really hard, it may seem daunting at first because of its text mode but it is very straight forward, i guess you have to read the handbook over and over again to fully comprehend the things you missed why things like X is not working, it will also help if you will include the error messages as to why you can't run/install gnome or kde. imo you missed some dependencies that's why you're having a hard time. When I first installed FreeBSD, circa 2003, version 4.9, the two reasons I chose it over Redhat and Debian were the simplicity of the installation and good manual. The install process on REdhat and Debian was awkward, at least for me, and I could not make them work on my old compaq armada laptop. In contrast just following the manual and choosing default install parameters I got Freebsd working fast. During the installation I actually learned a lot about unix and Freebsd, the sort of details which are important to know anyway. It is hard to find the right balance between simplicity and functionality. It seems the balance in the Freebsd install is about right. anton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that for people who have never seen FreeBSD before, PC-BSD or DesktopBSD are good choices for starting points. Most of the install choices are made for you. Later if someone wants to do a custom install, they will have more familiarity with the choices or have a good FreeBSD book like FreeBSD 6 Unleashed which can help sort out the problems. Ralph Ellis ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Experience
--- Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Rollin wrote: Discussions like these leave me lost for words... Perhaps, although it seems you recovered quickly. :-) Which is to say, apart from the occasional bug I really don't see what the problem is with sysinstall. I'm in that club myself. It takes a few times to get it down, but it is simple once you know the basic steps of getting FreeBSD on a box. The trick is of course understanding the basic steps which is where most don't take the time to research. I know I read through tha handbook a few times before I attempted my first go, and I know I messed up royally even still. But now its more frustrating to figure out what I want to do while the packages are downloading then anything else. Credits: It's highly functional. It can configure a lot of things about a FreeBSD system, either during or after the installation of the system. It's CLI/remote-serial-console friendly. Debits: It's oriented towards technical people. People who don't understand computers well in general, and the details of disk layouts in particular, tend to get hopelessly confused. Not only do they usually not know how to access the help inside sysinstall, many times the help text is not available, or is not comprehensible unless you have the already-mentioned technical background. I would have to concurr with this 100%. My first go at FreeBSD was a little rough do to this whole concept of two partitionings. I thought to myself now why would anyone want to do this. I wouldn't consider myself at the time a novice, but I wouldn't consider myself too bright either... Now it makes perfect sense to have one partition and multiple slices. It makes an fstab look a lot nicer. nothing more annoying then not having say a linux box boot because you selected the extended partitions number instead of the logical drive contained therein... and keeping track of a million partitions get old quick. Fortunately, the outstanding docs available for FreeBSD do a lot to walk people through the process, even novices. Unfortunately, people want to use computers without having to read the docs. Just ask your mom/grandparents/etc. :-) most people want to use everything without reading the manual. I think thats why there's labels on the toaster not to stick a fork in it, or a tag to not use a hair dryer in the shower... Personally I turn to the Cadillac shop manual when I want to tune up my eldo, it makes sense to me. I know software is the same way, but most people don't want to take any time figuring out what their doing; pardon my vulgarity but Taco Bell exists for a reason, man pages... To me it's the best thing this side of YaST for getting (certain areas of) system administration done. (Yeah, I know a lot of you probably hate YaST in particular or Linux in general... Why would you think that? I'd imagine that most of the people using FreeBSD end up having a Linux box or two around for one reason or another. I find it was for not reading the FreeBSD manuals... if people think FreeBSD is hard I cannot imagine what they think about Linux. Sure it has that flashy install program, well except Gentoo and maybe a few others, but upgrading the kernel can make setting up a FreeBSD box from scratch WITHOUT the manuals seem like a cake walk... I will admit to having a linux partition on my laptop, but only because I haven't taken the time to backup FreeBSD and give myself 15 more gigs... I will give Linux this, if I were building an embedded system I would probably go with Linux, but only because the obscure hardware sometimes in PC104s has vendor supported linux drivers. That and I understand how Linux boots better then FreeBSD, I'm hoping this will change soon; even have a Treo 650 lying around with X windows name all over it... might have to try OpenBSD for that one though... -brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
just what does kserel mean?
I have searched all over the net for a good definition of what the top state, kserel means. When I run mysql this is the state in which it runs. PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZERES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 2117 mysql 17 200 323M 59080K kserel 0 0:02 0.00% mysqld I'm a newbie with freebsd and am concerned that this might be some sort of problem since my installation of Mysql turned out to be rather challenging. Thanks, Nestor ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Experience
--- Anton Shterenlikht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative OS) among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, email). FreeBSD has an awful out of the box experience. It's too bad, because I think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll never really know. Regards, too bad, you experienced that, the FreeBSD sysinstall is not that really hard, it may seem daunting at first because of its text mode but it is very straight forward, i guess you have to read the handbook over and over again to fully comprehend the things you missed why things like X is not working, it will also help if you will include the error messages as to why you can't run/install gnome or kde. imo you missed some dependencies that's why you're having a hard time. When I first installed FreeBSD, circa 2003, version 4.9, the two reasons I chose it over Redhat and Debian were the simplicity of the installation and good manual. The install process on REdhat and Debian was awkward, at least for me, and I could not make them work on my old compaq armada laptop. In contrast just following the manual and choosing default install parameters I got Freebsd working fast. During the installation I actually learned a lot about unix and Freebsd, the sort of details which are important to know anyway. It is hard to find the right balance between simplicity and functionality. It seems the balance in the Freebsd install is about right. anton I've only been around since FreeBSD 5.4 myself, and found during installs that sysinstall would get confused if you changed your mind and went backwards through the menus to reconfigure options. it seems like the one in 6.1 is a lot better, but maybe I just move back and forth less... That being said once it is installed it is a million times easier to maintain and upgrade then any Linux I've used. I had an old Digital 486 I had to install Redhat 7.3 thinking I could easily update to the latest kernel. I found I had to go through so many dependancies to do so I finally said whatever kernel was there was good enough. Talk about having to be a GNU guru to get things installed correctly without clobbering the old stuff and running into trouble... Of late I was using Gentoo which I found to be FreeBSD like with its portage system, until recently when it seems they changed many system level interface stuff sometime after April 2006 and now I cannot seem to update it. Even a full system rebuild has blocking packages that boggle my mind as they were compile from source originally... sysinstall isn't all that bad. It could be flashier, it could be graphical, it could be a lot of things. If it really bothers you that much you can make yourself a livecd system that brings up X and restores a basic install, or cvsups whatever system you want on your pc/sparc/whatever and builds it from source. that is the beauty of Unix. True Unix not an emulator like Linux. That and the fact you get an OS with a set of base software and a compiler out of the box. Linux is only the kernel, you have to make hundreds of independant software packages work together to get a system running. Each one with their own independant configuration files, and hundreds of man pages to read. Even the rc.d system is a separate package. now I'm sure things have progressed with Fedora Core where updating is nice and simple, but the shear amount of chaos that is Linux just drives me nutz. Sysinstall does take a few installs to get down pat, but once you do it can be setup almost in your sleep. You do need to get used to the differences of Unix vs most PC OSs whereby you need to in laymens term partition twice. A feature I love because it keeps fstab making sense. Like anything you can't expect to try something completely new without expecting to fall on your face a few times. I wouldn't just through on scuba gear and dive the Atlantic Ocean in search of the Titanic... I would expect to have to read, maybe take some classes (mess up FreeBSD bad and start over) and try in a pool instead of the ocean a few times (use non-mission critical machines to learn with) The unfortunate truth is Unix is not Microsoft Windows, well some might consider it unfortunate... Windows tells you what to do, what software you must use, what drivers you must use, where you must install things, what daemons listen to what ports and their is little you can do to change it. Unix is just a set of simple commands strung together in scripts and pipes that can do whatever you want it to do. X11 is not Unix it is a software package designed to allow netrocentric GUI applications to talk to a screen, keyboard and mouse. Its a monster in and of itself... Complete with its own documentation...
Re: Question
Jonathan Chen wrote: To unzip ZIPs, you need to install archivers/unzip. To unzip RARs, you need to install archivers/unrar. The new bsdtar (by way of libarchive) can read zip files quite nicely. At least most of them, in my experience. According to the man page libarchive-formats(5): Zip format Libarchive can extract from most zip format archives. It currently only supports uncompressed entries and entries compressed with the ``deflate'' algorithm. Older zip compression algorithms are not supported. The base system tar is bsdtar (from 5.3-RELEASE, I think) Svein Halvor signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: just what does kserel mean?
In the last episode (Sep 11), Nestor Wheelock said: I have searched all over the net for a good definition of what the top state, kserel means. When I run mysql this is the state in which it runs. PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZERES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 2117 mysql 17 200 323M 59080K kserel 0 0:02 0.00% mysqld That's just a wait state used inside libkse threads meaning a thread is waiting for something to do. Note that for a threaded program, the STATE seen by top is that of only one thread owned by the process. Press 'H' to see each thread on its own line. -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Experience
backyard writes: --- Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Rollin wrote: Discussions like these leave me lost for words... Perhaps, although it seems you recovered quickly. :-) Which is to say, apart from the occasional bug I really don't see what the problem is with sysinstall. I'm in that club myself. It takes a few times to get it down, but it is simple once you know the basic steps of getting FreeBSD on a box. The trick is of some excised comprehensible unless you have the already-mentioned technical background. I would have to concurr with this 100%. My first go at FreeBSD was a little rough do to this whole concept of two partitionings. I thought to myself now why would anyone want to do this. I wouldn't consider myself at the time a novice, but I wouldn't consider myself too bright either... Now it makes perfect sense to have one partition and multiple slices. It makes an fstab look a lot nicer. Of course, I think you just said that backwards. I think by FreeBSD terminology you probably mean one slice and several partitions (a-h) in it... jerry nothing more annoying then not having say a linux box boot because you selected the extended partitions number instead of the logical drive contained therein... and keeping track of a million partitions get old quick. -brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: just what does kserel mean?
On Sep 11, 2006, at 3:14 PM, Nestor Wheelock wrote: I have searched all over the net for a good definition of what the top state, kserel means. When I run mysql this is the state in which it runs. PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZERES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 2117 mysql 17 200 323M 59080K kserel 0 0:02 0.00% mysqld I'm a newbie with freebsd and am concerned that this might be some sort of problem since my installation of Mysql turned out to be rather challenging. This state is set in the kse_release() call in sys/kern/kern_kse.c, and appears to mean that the process is waiting to be woken up by a signal or is otherwise blocked waiting for more work; this is handled by returning control to userspace via an upcall. See man kse_release: In other words, as soon as there is a scheduling decision to be made, the KSE becomes unassigned, because the kernel does not presume to know how the process' other runnable threads should be scheduled. Unassigned KSEs always return to user space as soon as possible via the upcall mechanism (described below), allowing the user process to decide how that KSE should be utilized next. KSEs always complete as much work as possible in the kernel before becoming unassigned. [ ... ] The kse_release() system call is used to ``park'' the KSE assigned to the currently running thread when it is not needed, e.g., when there are more available KSEs than runnable user threads. The thread converts to an upcall but does not get scheduled until there is a new reason to do so, e.g., a previously blocked thread becomes runnable, or the timeout expires. If successful, kse_release() does not return to the caller. -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Experience
--- Jerold McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: backyard writes: --- Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Rollin wrote: Discussions like these leave me lost for words... Perhaps, although it seems you recovered quickly. :-) Which is to say, apart from the occasional bug I really don't see what the problem is with sysinstall. I'm in that club myself. It takes a few times to get it down, but it is simple once you know the basic steps of getting FreeBSD on a box. The trick is of some excised comprehensible unless you have the already-mentioned technical background. I would have to concurr with this 100%. My first go at FreeBSD was a little rough do to this whole concept of two partitionings. I thought to myself now why would anyone want to do this. I wouldn't consider myself at the time a novice, but I wouldn't consider myself too bright either... Now it makes perfect sense to have one partition and multiple slices. It makes an fstab look a lot nicer. Of course, I think you just said that backwards. I think by FreeBSD terminology you probably mean one slice and several partitions (a-h) in it... in the interest of not confusing a newbie in the future I would say yes I did. my biggest problem is mixing my own vernacular with what the rest of the world uses... At any rate having one slice for my Unix and partitioning that slice up with the filesystems I wish to populate is a good thing. After a while you even get used to what a-h is all about and to stay away from c unless you need to dd a mistaken gvinum configuration away... In retrospec this probably messes new folks up cause like myself they generally assume a partition is what we would call a slice... -brian jerry nothing more annoying then not having say a linux box boot because you selected the extended partitions number instead of the logical drive contained therein... and keeping track of a million partitions get old quick. -brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Upgrade server from i386 - amd64 kernel ...
Just had a new 64bit server installed at the colo, but they accidentally installed a i386 ISO, instead of an AMD64 one ... is it possible to build / install an amd64 world, or do I have to re-install from a proper ISO first ? Thanks ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade server from i386 - amd64 kernel ...
Yes, in fact it's pretty simple, quoting /usr/src/Makefile: # If TARGET_ARCH=arch (e.g. ia64, sparc64, ...) is specified you can # cross build world for other architectures using the buildworld target, # and once the world is built you can cross build a kernel using the # buildkernel target. Just read through /usr/src/Makefile and /usr/src/UPDATING. Leo. On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Just had a new 64bit server installed at the colo, but they accidentally installed a i386 ISO, instead of an AMD64 one ... is it possible to build / install an amd64 world, or do I have to re-install from a proper ISO first ? Thanks ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Origin of hard drive parameters
On Monday 11 September 2006 2:42 am, jdow wrote:
From: Ian Graeme Hilt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
May I point out that I was not interested in CHS alone. My focus was the
origin of the hard drives parameters i.e. geometry, which is the subject
of discussion. From this discussion and other sources I have learned
that CHS, as you say, is arbitrary when referring to modern drives. To
be specific, drives adhering to ATA/ATAPI Specification 6 and later.
ATA/ATAPI Spec. 5 and earlier used CHS mode for representing hard drive
capacity. The reason I am interested in this topic is partially because
of my idle curiosity. I'm the type of person interested in the
challenge of answering questions. The questions, How does the BIOS
automatically detect correct values for hard disks? and, Where is this
information stored? have been stuck in my head for at least 6 months.
No amount of searching the web provided me with
satisfactory results. I tried a few tests of my own, all of which failed
to answer my questions. So, I decided to appeal to the
FreeBSD-questions mailing list. Mainly because I have found useful
answers to other questions here. The other part of my reason is that one
of my coworkers thought this information was stored on the platters of
the hard drive. I thought differently but I could not _prove_ it.
Good reason. And the information is indeed stored on the platters of
the hard disks in a place you cannot read directly.
How do you know this is true?
It is easier for
me to refer to SCSI than to ATA. With SCSI the operating code for the
disk is stored on the disk. What comes up at first is enough SCSI to
say I'm a disk; and, I'm not ready. When you issue ReadCapacity,
Mode Sense, and Inquiry commands you are accessing data stored on the
same reserved sectors as the disk's operating code. Special diagnositic
commands allow the operating code to be modified. The Mode Select
command allows you to reconfigure the disk's geometry. This takes
effect after you next low level format the drive if you have no other
intervening commands. This allows you to alter the spare blocks and
cylinders on the disk as well as configure most other operating
parameters. These are stored where operating systems normally cannot
see them with normal read/write commands.
So your coworker is correct, it is stored on the drive
Actually, he was arguing this information was stored on the platters of the
hard drive. I was arguing it could be stored in a chip on the hard drive
which I'm thinking of as the CMOS for a motherboard.
and barring nvram on the drive it is stored on the actual platters.
This is exactly my point. There is cause for reasonable doubt that it isn't
stored on the platters.
As for storing it - read block zero of the disk.
Be DAMN careful not to WRITE to block zero. And if you DO write
to block zero at about the time I quit doing such low level stuff
and moved to other things there were several SCSI hard disk
manufacturers using code that had a defect such that if you wrote
more than one disk block starting at block 0 the whole disk was
toast until you did a fresh low level format on it. One sincerely
hopes THAT defect is gone these days.)
{O.O} Joanne
Reading through ATA/ATAPI -7 has helped me rephrase my questions into
one: When the command READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS is issued to the device,
from where is this information returned?
It may be cached somewhere for quick returns.
Yes, but it also may be stored in the hard drive's CMOS.
There are tools for tuning
disk performance for both ATA and SCSI disks that can alter the operating
parameters. Some options read OS cached values. Others dig down and issue
the 'standard' query commands and read the actual values off the disk. The
disk is the final arbiter, in modern terms. When doing the configuration
utility that became arguably the most popular one for the Amiga I ran
across some small number of hard disks that returned off by 1 values for
size. (Micropolis was one offender at one time.) And I also ran across
drives delivered with only the first few megabytes formatted. So I built
into the configuration utility an actual search for the last readable
block. I used the lesser of that value and the value the drive declared
to Read Capacity commands. At least the formats it generated were safe.
(I think it was either Maxtor or CDC/Seagate that had the partially
formatted drives escape from their factory.)
It is possible the the factory settings for the capacity of a hard drive are
stored in a chip, which I'm calling CMOS, on the circuit board attached to
the hard drive. This information is then modified and saved to an
inaccessible portion of the hard drive's platters or to another area of the
hard drive's CMOS using the ATA command SET MAX ADDRESS, SET MAX ADDRESS EXT
for 48 bit mode, or similar command. Then when the command IDENTIFY DEVICE is
sent to
Re: Upgrade server from i386 - amd64 kernel ...
'k, I knew about cross-compiling, just wasn't sure if it was that simple to upgrade the system being cross-compiled onto ... thanks ... On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Leo Mrafko wrote: Yes, in fact it's pretty simple, quoting /usr/src/Makefile: # If TARGET_ARCH=arch (e.g. ia64, sparc64, ...) is specified you can # cross build world for other architectures using the buildworld target, # and once the world is built you can cross build a kernel using the # buildkernel target. Just read through /usr/src/Makefile and /usr/src/UPDATING. Leo. On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Just had a new 64bit server installed at the colo, but they accidentally installed a i386 ISO, instead of an AMD64 one ... is it possible to build / install an amd64 world, or do I have to re-install from a proper ISO first ? Thanks ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade server from i386 - amd64 kernel ...
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 02:18, Marc G. Fournier wrote: 'k, I knew about cross-compiling, just wasn't sure if it was that simple to upgrade the system being cross-compiled onto ... thanks ... I don't think it is that simple. I'd search the amd64 list if I were you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade server from i386 - amd64 kernel ...
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, RW wrote: On Tuesday 12 September 2006 02:18, Marc G. Fournier wrote: 'k, I knew about cross-compiling, just wasn't sure if it was that simple to upgrade the system being cross-compiled onto ... thanks ... I don't think it is that simple. I'd search the amd64 list if I were you. Found two posts that basically state 'try only if you are machoistic', so I think I'll just re-install :) Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade server from i386 - amd64 kernel ...
Yes, I've done it a few months ago.. Just read through the files.. As far as I remember you need to build amd64 world, then kernel, installworld, installkernel, reboot, voila, it works.. I had some small problems which I don't remember now, you will able to solve them for sure. Maybe don't forget to backup your data first ;-) On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote: 'k, I knew about cross-compiling, just wasn't sure if it was that simple to upgrade the system being cross-compiled onto ... thanks ... On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Leo Mrafko wrote: Yes, in fact it's pretty simple, quoting /usr/src/Makefile: # If TARGET_ARCH=arch (e.g. ia64, sparc64, ...) is specified you can # cross build world for other architectures using the buildworld target, # and once the world is built you can cross build a kernel using the # buildkernel target. Just read through /usr/src/Makefile and /usr/src/UPDATING. Leo. On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Just had a new 64bit server installed at the colo, but they accidentally installed a i386 ISO, instead of an AMD64 one ... is it possible to build / install an amd64 world, or do I have to re-install from a proper ISO first ? Thanks ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: just what does kserel mean?
On 09/11/06 17:14, Nestor Wheelock wrote: I have searched all over the net for a good definition of what the top state, kserel means. When I run mysql this is the state in which it I don't mean to be stating the obvious... but as a newbie you might not know that KSE == Kernel Schedulable Entity You can do all sorts of googling on freebsd KSE and as Chuck mentioned browse sys/kern/kern_kse.c HTH. runs. PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZERES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 2117 mysql 17 200 323M 59080K kserel 0 0:02 0.00% mysqld I'm a newbie with freebsd and am concerned that this might be some sort of problem since my installation of Mysql turned out to be rather challenging. Thanks, Nestor ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Eric ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Extensions and Themes in Firefox
Quoting Xiao-Yong Jin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Quoting Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi list, I'm using FBSD 6.1-RELEASE and I'm having trouble downloading extensions and themes in firefox (installed from packages). They all complain that they're not supported in Unknown. Any ideas on how to fix this, please? TIA Jeff Rollin I solved this problem on my freebsd 6.1-STABLE box by deinstalling all graphical web tools (Opera, Firefox, etc) enabling linux binary compatibility, and then installing the linux versions of all those graphical www tools I had just installed. then the linux-plugins I'm very pleased with the results, as many plugings dont have a BSD version. Can you explain it in detail? I can't find detailed instructions in the Handbook. What about the flash plugin, the java plugin, the realplayer, the openoffice plugin, or even the mplayerplug-in? Thank you, Xiao-Yong -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- Ok, assuming your www browser of choice is firefox (similarly for Opera) uninstall firefox then make sure linux binary compatibility is enabled, the easiest way to do that is with sysinstall. (read the handbook for more info on this step) Now cd into /usr/ports/www and look at any port whose name starts with linux the ones I found most helpful where: linux-firefox linux-flashplugin7 linuxpluginwrapper you might also want to look at linux-mplayer-plugin if you use mplayer for windows media files hope that helps. Rance make sure your options are what you want, and that should fix you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RSS feeds for important sites?
I'm trying to get my rss reader configured up so that I no longer miss anything ... or, at least, make it easier to keep on top of everything ... I can't seem to find stuff like DaemonNews and such ... Does anyone have a list of BSD related RSS feeds that they'd be willing to share? Thankx ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RSS feeds for important sites?
On Monday 11 September 2006 19:21, Marc G. Fournier wrote: I'm trying to get my rss reader configured up so that I no longer miss anything ... or, at least, make it easier to keep on top of everything ... I can't seem to find stuff like DaemonNews and such ... Does anyone have a list of BSD related RSS feeds that they'd be willing to share? Thankx ... Hi Mark, I think you're asking about all the BSDs, so here is what I have. For FreeBSD I use the RSS feeds off the main project page, for NetBSD off theirs, and for OpenBSD, which doesn't have any on their page, I get them off of http://undeadly.org (the busiest of these first three.) I also subscribe to the BSD related feeds off of Secunia. I don't know DragonflyBSD well enough to point you anywhere. Other than that I haven't found any others. The security feeds are the best because the instant I get one on FreeBSD, I recompile userland and the kernel. HTH, Eric Buchanan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Origin of hard drive parameters
From: Ian Graeme Hilt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Monday 11 September 2006 2:42 am, jdow wrote:
From: Ian Graeme Hilt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
May I point out that I was not interested in CHS alone. My focus was the
origin of the hard drives parameters i.e. geometry, which is the subject
of discussion. From this discussion and other sources I have learned
that CHS, as you say, is arbitrary when referring to modern drives. To
be specific, drives adhering to ATA/ATAPI Specification 6 and later.
ATA/ATAPI Spec. 5 and earlier used CHS mode for representing hard drive
capacity. The reason I am interested in this topic is partially because
of my idle curiosity. I'm the type of person interested in the
challenge of answering questions. The questions, How does the BIOS
automatically detect correct values for hard disks? and, Where is this
information stored? have been stuck in my head for at least 6 months.
No amount of searching the web provided me with
satisfactory results. I tried a few tests of my own, all of which failed
to answer my questions. So, I decided to appeal to the
FreeBSD-questions mailing list. Mainly because I have found useful
answers to other questions here. The other part of my reason is that one
of my coworkers thought this information was stored on the platters of
the hard drive. I thought differently but I could not _prove_ it.
Good reason. And the information is indeed stored on the platters of
the hard disks in a place you cannot read directly.
How do you know this is true?
A friend of mine, who goes or went by the ID scsi, worked at Micropolis
then Hitachi then Maxtor then Seagate. I watched her put the operating
code on the disks. I also have written and used a MODE SELECT/MODE
SENSE utility that allowed me to alter the drive's formatting. I KNOW
that data was not downloaded to the drive by the OS. cough I had
adequate source for the Amiga OS by that time to know. {^_-} The OS
knew how to read the data it needed off the drive. And so did the
RDPrepX utility I wrote. If it was not stored on the drive NOT in
one of the active user sectors then it was PFM that the drive worked
at all. (I still have a fondness for the Amiga Rigid Disk Blocks
format. If I can fix the BSD machine's Chinese Capacitor Syndrom
and get it back on line I plan to make sure BSD has the ability to
at least read the Amiga RDBs. The filesystem is another ballgame,
though. That may already be covered. But most people get the RDB
parsing wrong one way or another, particularly for 2k physical block
size magneto-optical stoage.)
It is easier for
me to refer to SCSI than to ATA. With SCSI the operating code for the
disk is stored on the disk. What comes up at first is enough SCSI to
say I'm a disk; and, I'm not ready. When you issue ReadCapacity,
Mode Sense, and Inquiry commands you are accessing data stored on the
same reserved sectors as the disk's operating code. Special diagnositic
commands allow the operating code to be modified. The Mode Select
command allows you to reconfigure the disk's geometry. This takes
effect after you next low level format the drive if you have no other
intervening commands. This allows you to alter the spare blocks and
cylinders on the disk as well as configure most other operating
parameters. These are stored where operating systems normally cannot
see them with normal read/write commands.
So your coworker is correct, it is stored on the drive
Actually, he was arguing this information was stored on the platters of the hard
drive. I was arguing it could be stored in a chip on the hard drive
which I'm thinking of as the CMOS for a motherboard.
I can verify that the drives at the time I was working on them did not
have nvram on the drives. And you cannot store it on the motherboard
and still have the disks portable, which simple experiments can prove.
The earliest drives were VERY parts deficient. As they progressed the
companies got smart and figured We have this EXCELLENT non-volatile
storage quite handy to us so we'll store the firmware with the parameters
on the platters and simply start counting block zero after this data
space. It works. I was astonished, twice (once at the cleverness and
second at my stupidity for not thinking of it before hand), when scsi
told me about it. Gayle really digs disk drive internals. Erm, and by
accident I latched on to a copy of the Micropolis code for one of the
last disks they made. It's in there. And I've NEVER shared it. 'T
would not be right to do that.
and barring nvram on the drive it is stored on the actual platters.
This is exactly my point. There is cause for reasonable doubt that it isn't stored on
the platters.
See my Duh reaction above. Why spend MORE money for nvram when there
is a nice rotating non-volatile store quite handy. It can bootstrap
nicely several ways.
1) Read parameters so it knows when to step heads from block zero or
zero and one. Then load the operating firmware, switch to it, and
run
Re: RSS feeds for important sites?
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Napoleon Dynamite wrote: On Monday 11 September 2006 19:21, Marc G. Fournier wrote: I'm trying to get my rss reader configured up so that I no longer miss anything ... or, at least, make it easier to keep on top of everything ... I can't seem to find stuff like DaemonNews and such ... Does anyone have a list of BSD related RSS feeds that they'd be willing to share? Thankx ... Hi Mark, I think you're asking about all the BSDs, so here is what I have. For FreeBSD I use the RSS feeds off the main project page, for NetBSD off theirs, and for OpenBSD, which doesn't have any on their page, I get them off of http://undeadly.org (the busiest of these first three.) I also subscribe to the BSD related feeds off of Secunia. I don't know DragonflyBSD well enough to point you anywhere. Other than that I haven't found any others. The security feeds are the best because the instant I get one on FreeBSD, I recompile userland and the kernel. Actually, in this case, I'm more interested in FreeBSD stuff ... but, for instance, I can't find an RSS feed for Daemonnews or bsdnews, whcih would be cool ... an RSS feed for the 'In the News' section on the FreeBSD site would be cool ... that sort of thing ... Thanks ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade server from i386 - amd64 kernel ...
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Leo Mrafko wrote: Yes, I've done it a few months ago.. Just read through the files.. As far as I remember you need to build amd64 world, then kernel, installworld, installkernel, reboot, voila, it works.. I had some small problems which I don't remember now, you will able to solve them for sure. Maybe don't forget to backup your data first ;-) Actually, no data yet ... having a new CD burned as I type this, and will do a clean install ... On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote: 'k, I knew about cross-compiling, just wasn't sure if it was that simple to upgrade the system being cross-compiled onto ... thanks ... On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Leo Mrafko wrote: Yes, in fact it's pretty simple, quoting /usr/src/Makefile: # If TARGET_ARCH=arch (e.g. ia64, sparc64, ...) is specified you can # cross build world for other architectures using the buildworld target, # and once the world is built you can cross build a kernel using the # buildkernel target. Just read through /usr/src/Makefile and /usr/src/UPDATING. Leo. On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Just had a new 64bit server installed at the colo, but they accidentally installed a i386 ISO, instead of an AMD64 one ... is it possible to build / install an amd64 world, or do I have to re-install from a proper ISO first ? Thanks ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Baud rate change on ex-console line without reboot?
I use a serial console (sio0 flag 0x10, /boot/loader.conf console=comconsole, /boot.config -h, /etc/make.conf BOOT_COMCONSOLE_SPEED=115200), but I suddenly have need to quit doing that that and to use that line for a serial output device at 9600 baud. I am trying to do this without a reboot. Is this possible? I have tried using Screen to grab console output into a window so it isn't routed to the serial line, and setting baud rates on /dev/tty*0 devices, * being d, id, ld, ua (always device busy), ala, and aia. I can get speeds to change on initial-state and lock-state devices but not on callin/out devices, and as indicated, I can't seem to free cuaa0. The device I want to connect is an output-only (computer -- device) item; namely, a text-to-speech device. Am I missing something, or is this one of those happily few occasions where one really must reboot the OS? -- Doug Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] SSB + BART Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ssbbartgroup.com While they were saying among themselves it cannot be done, it was done. --Helen Keller ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
