Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 8.3 amd64
Hi, I've done the upgrade yesterday. It was a clean 8.3 install, I only set up PPPoE and then run the following commands. # cd /usr/ports/misc/mc make install clean # uname -r 8.3-RELEASE # freebsd-update -r 9.1-RELEASE upgrade # freebsd-update install # shutdown -r now # freebsd-update install # cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade make install clean # /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade -f ruby # rm /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db # /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade -f ruby18-bdb # rm /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db /usr/ports/INDEX-*.db # /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade -af # freebsd-update install # shutdown -r now # freebsd-update IDS outfile.ids This is the content of outfile.ids: Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-RELEASE from update5.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 1 metadata patches. done. Applying metadata patches... done. Fetching 1 metadata files... done. Inspecting system... done. /boot/kernel/linker.hints has SHA256 hash ebf78144f48f13af88e5e3752735a709b084d7e6aaee10b05e57f2a117cbc366, but should have SHA256 hash 07b927068b34c4671a323e6a8aaa80ad22dc5fc4b3741b8a4060da1764510350. /etc/group has SHA256 hash 108de8653d4a6d451cc3f018780277d2fe2d770df7a7d984f5160dc753e06678, but should have SHA256 hash d788718c25a04a14cc1818ac2afa8b76a3fd899583691972d0d5127947e3504f. /etc/hosts has SHA256 hash 9684014402be7ecd32b9047181f595d124df6cf6a79dd323b0bd5685dccc2a81, but should have SHA256 hash f795387981b68599c3df984f2ce4ac4a32bf420d57faf1fb55f249b885414d64. /etc/master.passwd has SHA256 hash cd9046284ac3e571eb9f0273f9bfc118e7094e0b9312fd1789f6385e43a26cd3, but should have SHA256 hash 6f1da238cc0a55ed360a215039bc6cb5ce5369d20b8fbceb8a1941c5124e6a4e. /etc/motd has SHA256 hash fa311ce1a08aea0c818d57b904c979941dabb726d1fb2ddaa368102bd6f2fb95, but should have SHA256 hash 98f082efc89da5e887e72bc4dcfa3e5fc8bada9d19db4bdbba9a32692a7c82a7. /etc/passwd has SHA256 hash e4bcb10c66a0440efb58591daadaeec894e75e5392da9e00f3881822d0647a11, but should have SHA256 hash 3135de169a0ff94c0c97aeb525a07ea10e5ed81c9b825e219f7eea8deb97c444. /etc/ppp/ppp.conf has 0755 permissions, but should have 0600 permissions. /etc/ppp/ppp.conf has SHA256 hash 623683de09ab97394221c64ccdec3569aa240854d907a4811f91c9ed92253dd4, but should have SHA256 hash f3dd3d0da252bd47681a261a1f0d46a8fc6ae84ff3cbd34b81b586bc87e49655. /etc/pwd.db has SHA256 hash 62eb1eafbfa8fe718e68bf784e542d09ccdc09012ef43d254ae48e9846a1df4d, but should have SHA256 hash bf86739ee052821992412b61a6673811588c382fa63ab38cc47c1a59305376eb. /etc/shells has SHA256 hash 4c25fb7c79fe5057217a70cfa1c27f41959bb7daa703a94774ec5ac9d29a9266, but should have SHA256 hash beab7e474ee12b051b98889f368bbd490340a908f6f2287f9238e818b830a1fd. /etc/spwd.db has SHA256 hash b25126503c347feb67b76a5f27f44c318a675ddc82f4984b5ec0d2fc5a45fd30, but should have SHA256 hash 1cbfbea78d316e4e8d29f53f0770b8ff1f3a731e993c3ae717f36304715d7a5b. When I run ppp -ddial alice now, I get warnings Bad label in /etc/ppp/ppp.conf (line x) - missing colon, but PPPoE still works. Why are the checksums bad? FWIW snd_hdspe now is available. Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 8.3 amd64
Hi, On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 05:13:39 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com wrote: ok, so FreeBSD release is the version of the kernel and not a labelling for the collection of all the software. yes. It is even so that the ports work on all 'current' FreeBSD versions but not the packages. With other words, you will download always the same source files for 7.4, 8.3, 9.0, 9.1 and 10.0 but compile it then for your version. For Linux major distros there usually is a labelling for the collection of the software, independent of the kernel version. On Linux I usually install binaries for the base system and desktop environment, but for important software, in my case it's audio, compiling from source is very important. This does not really matter here. It is only that you might do not have the options compiled in you will need when using the binary. The author of the snd_hdspe driver for FreeBSD seems to need testers. I never have heard of this driver. It seems to be that nobody ever tested if ADAT is working and I'll test it. OTOH I suspect bug fixes for the driver have to be added by recompiling the kernel or at least the driver for the kernel, so I still could use binaries for the applications. Using sources for the kernel is then the way to go. Binaries could work if the required options are compiled in. You can mix binaries and source within the applications. I do this all the while. I install very often the binary and compile later from sources. Since audio on FreeBSD seems to be a niche, I wonder if it's more promising, to go the source or to go the binary rout. Source is the more promissing route here as niches are not supported by default. There are some rare cases in which options exclude each other. So, if you have strange hardware, source is the only route. I suspect if it's impossible or at least less good to mix binaries and from source build software for FreeBSD, I should chose to build from source. You can mix. If it works, it works. If not, it is most likely an option not compiled in you would need. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 8.3 amd64
On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 05:29 +0100, Polytropon wrote: I'd say: Use the source Luke. :-) :) Strange question: Is the FreeBSD handbook available as iBook? At the moment I've got plenty of time, unfortunately not in front of my desktop computer. Some time ago I won an iPad2, it's a dust catcher, nice hardware, but odd software. I wonder if its possible to use it as a reader. The problem is, that I can't connect the iPad to the Internet and using iTunes (a disgusting application) in a virtual machine until now I'm only able to use iBooks, but I don't know how to transmit plain txt, pdf, html or what ever from the PC to the iPad. If somebody should know how I can get the FreeBSD handbook on my iPad that would be a help, so I could spend more time in reading how to handle FreeBSD. On VirtualBox (it doesn't work with wine) I run Win XP + iTunes and I connect the PC and iPad by USB. No jailbreake, but if it would help I would jailbraeke it. I tried to set up Linux to do ad-hoc by an USB WiFi stick, but it never worked. It would be nice to run Linux or FreeBSD on the iPad ;). Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 8.3 amd64
On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 05:29 +0100, Polytropon wrote: I'd say: Use the source Luke. :-) :) Strange question: Is the FreeBSD handbook available as iBook? You can get it as a PDF at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ and you can then view that on your iPad. Look for the Bookshelf or some such, I use an iPod Touch and while similar, they are not identical to the iPad. -- Paul Kraus Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3 Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Light Opera Company ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 8.3 amd64
On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 15:52 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: The author of the snd_hdspe driver for FreeBSD seems to need testers. I never have heard of this driver. It's a new driver for FreeBSD for some cards of the vendor RME, AFAIK they only sell really professional audio cards, used for broadcasting and by professional audio studios. I never heard of professional audio studios using FreeBSD, so it's very likely that FreeBSD users seldom spend that much money for cards, that ship with all kinds of audio interfaces, that aren't needed for averaged audio usage. I was a professional audio and video engineer, but for my home studio I only bought a relatively cheap RME card, the HDSPe AIO. http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_hdspe_aio.php It comes with stereo AD/DA converters only, every elCheapo on-board audio device has got more AD/DA IOs. Costs around 500,- EUR / 650,- USD. Other RME gear is much more expensive. Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 8.3 amd64
On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 10:57 -0500, Paul Kraus wrote: On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 05:29 +0100, Polytropon wrote: I'd say: Use the source Luke. :-) :) Strange question: Is the FreeBSD handbook available as iBook? You can get it as a PDF at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ and you can then view that on your iPad. Look for the Bookshelf or some such, I use an iPod Touch and while similar, they are not identical to the iPad. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/de/books/handbook/book.pdf.bz2 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/book.pdf.bz2 iBookshelf Lite 2.12.4 has got a file sharing option, so I added the above extracted archives by renamed PDFs (FreeBSD Handbook de.pdf, FreeBSD Handbook en.pdf), but after sync they still are not available. I renamed the files (bsdde.pdf, bsden.pdf), added them and synced again, but they are still not available. The PDFs can be opened by Linux. VBox, resp. iTunes has got access to the files and sync between VBox and the iPad does work for other data. However, it's OT for this list. Anyway, thank you :) Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 8.3 amd64
On Fri, 2012-12-21 at 07:35 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 10:57 -0500, Paul Kraus wrote: On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 05:29 +0100, Polytropon wrote: I'd say: Use the source Luke. :-) :) Strange question: Is the FreeBSD handbook available as iBook? You can get it as a PDF at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ and you can then view that on your iPad. Look for the Bookshelf or some such, I use an iPod Touch and while similar, they are not identical to the iPad. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/de/books/handbook/book.pdf.bz2 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/book.pdf.bz2 iBookshelf Lite 2.12.4 has got a file sharing option, so I added the above extracted archives by renamed PDFs (FreeBSD Handbook de.pdf, FreeBSD Handbook en.pdf), but after sync they still are not available. I renamed the files (bsdde.pdf, bsden.pdf), added them and synced again, but they are still not available. The PDFs can be opened by Linux. VBox, resp. iTunes has got access to the files and sync between VBox and the iPad does work for other data. However, it's OT for this list. Anyway, thank you :) Ralf PS: I installed two other gratis apps. Offline Reader ! 2.0 and PDF Reader Lite 1.2.3, the first app seems to be useless and when I downloaded it, I was asked if I'm = 17 years old :D, but the second app does receive and display the handbooks named bsdde.pdf, bsden.pdf :) Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 8.3 amd64
Hi :) this isn't a request, just a note about the handbook, from the point of view a newbie has got. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html We also assume that you have already obtained the sources to a newer system. If the sources available on the particular system are old too, see Section 25.6 for detailed help about synchronizing them to a newer version. I know svn from Linux, but I don't know what I should update using svn ;). Yes, the ports, but to get knowledge were the ports are, I have to google ;). This howto is more confusing for a newbie and seems to need more reboots, so I started with http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html but it's not described how to do the following: Note that setting the BATCH environment variable to yes will answer yes to any prompts during this process, removing the need for manual intervention during the build process. regarding to google it's env BATCH=yes, I'll test it next time I'll reboot into FreeBSD. Another issue is, that the portupgrade command isn't found. However, pppoe does work, but using vi never is fun for me :). I guess I'll read how to install software, IOW how to install portupgrade and continue with the portupgrade method ASAP, later today, or tomorrow. Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 8.3 amd64
Ralf, On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com wrote: Hi :) this isn't a request, just a note about the handbook, from the point of view a newbie has got. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html We also assume that you have already obtained the sources to a newer system. If the sources available on the particular system are old too, see Section 25.6 for detailed help about synchronizing them to a newer version. I know svn from Linux, but I don't know what I should update using svn ;). Yes, the ports, but to get knowledge were the ports are, I have to google ;). This howto is more confusing for a newbie and seems to need more reboots, so I started with http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html but it's not described how to do the following: Note that setting the BATCH environment variable to yes will answer yes to any prompts during this process, removing the need for manual intervention during the build process. regarding to google it's env BATCH=yes, I'll test it next time I'll reboot into FreeBSD. Another issue is, that the portupgrade command isn't found. Check in /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/ directory: Become super user, $ su - passwd: then as super user: # cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade then from that directory # make install clean and you should have the portugrade command :) You may also use at your discretion the portmaster tool? It works very well and a nice example is given by W. Block: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/portupgrade.html Best Regards, Antonio However, pppoe does work, but using vi never is fun for me :). I guess I'll read how to install software, IOW how to install portupgrade and continue with the portupgrade method ASAP, later today, or tomorrow. Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 8.3 amd64
On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 10:14 -0600, Antonio Olivares wrote: You may also use at your discretion the portmaster tool? It works very well and a nice example is given by W. Block: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/portupgrade.html Thank you Antonio :) because I can't install FreeBSD by the 9.0 DVD, for what reason ever this doesn't work, I installed it by the 8.3 DVD and will now make a release upgrade. IIUC a release upgrade will rebuild everything, hence there should be no dependency issues. My FreeBSD 8.3 is a fresh install, I only set up PPPoE, anything else is default. IIUC I need to take care about it to keep dependencies up to date, when I don't upgrade the complete release, but just upgrade some software. So, can I upgrade from 8.3 to 9.0, without taking care about dependencies and take care about the link, when 9.0 is installed, instead of doing it right now? My apologize for the terrible English, I'm in a hurry, but wanted to rely immediately and this makes broken English not better ;). Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 8.3 amd64
Ralf, On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 10:14 -0600, Antonio Olivares wrote: You may also use at your discretion the portmaster tool? It works very well and a nice example is given by W. Block: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/portupgrade.html Thank you Antonio :) because I can't install FreeBSD by the 9.0 DVD, for what reason ever this doesn't work, I installed it by the 8.3 DVD and will now make a release upgrade. IIUC a release upgrade will rebuild everything, hence there should be no dependency issues. My FreeBSD 8.3 is a fresh install, I only set up PPPoE, anything else is default. IIUC I need to take care about it to keep dependencies up to date, when I don't upgrade the complete release, but just upgrade some software. So, can I upgrade from 8.3 to 9.0, without taking care about dependencies and take care about the link, when 9.0 is installed, instead of doing it right now? Yes, you can do it. You can update to 9.0 with freebsd-update tool and then install/reinstall the ports. # freebsd-update -r 9.1-RELEASE or # freebsd-update -r 9.0-RELEASE in case that 9.1 is not there yet*? then run # freebsd-update fetch # freebsd-update install to get security updates as is documented : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html This should work well to get newer RELEASE, but some ports may be needed to be rebuilt/reinstalled. Hope this helps, Antonio My apologize for the terrible English, I'm in a hurry, but wanted to rely immediately and this makes broken English not better ;). Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 8.3 amd64
Hi, On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:09:16 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 10:14 -0600, Antonio Olivares wrote: You may also use at your discretion the portmaster tool? It works very well and a nice example is given by W. Block: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/portupgrade.html Thank you Antonio :) because I can't install FreeBSD by the 9.0 DVD, for what reason ever this doesn't work, I installed it by the 8.3 DVD and will now make a release upgrade. IIUC a release upgrade will rebuild everything, hence one way was already shown to you. The other route would lead you via the sources. I prefer the sources over the binary upgrade. If the new kernel will not boot, you can boot the old kernel which will then be under kernel.old. there should be no dependency issues. My FreeBSD 8.3 is a fresh Dependencies come in when it comes to ports. I would like to suggest the you first make a decision whether you want the ports as binaries or via source. Both routes work. Only the sources allow you to specify options. I would also recommend to download first the sources or the binaries and start the upgrade only after all files are downloaded. As you already know, portupgrade is the tool of choice here. If you have problems with 9.1, you might consider a move to 10. I have done this too for the same reason when I got a new machine which has had problems with 9.0. 10.0 is not recommended for production. Me and many other still do this. You might will run occassionally into problems. So, think twice before doing this. install, I only set up PPPoE, anything else is default. IIUC I need to take care about it to keep dependencies up to date, when I don't upgrade the complete release, but just upgrade some software. So, can I upgrade from 8.3 to 9.0, without taking care about dependencies and take care about the link, when 9.0 is installed, instead of doing it right now? FreeBSD and the ports have 'nothing' to do with each other. You have to upgrade FreeBSD first and then upgrade the ports. Most likely, all applications will continue to work without upgrade. If I remember right, even after an upgrade from 8.3 to 10.0 on one of my machines, all applications continued to work. I still upgraded them as fast as possible. My apologize for the terrible English, I'm in a hurry, but wanted to rely immediately and this makes broken English not better ;). Do not worry about this here. I think, while you have been pretty clear on the rest, the last line does not make real sense to me. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 8.3 amd64
Thank you Erich :) ok, so FreeBSD release is the version of the kernel and not a labelling for the collection of all the software. For Linux major distros there usually is a labelling for the collection of the software, independent of the kernel version. On Linux I usually install binaries for the base system and desktop environment, but for important software, in my case it's audio, compiling from source is very important. The author of the snd_hdspe driver for FreeBSD seems to need testers. It seems to be that nobody ever tested if ADAT is working and I'll test it. OTOH I suspect bug fixes for the driver have to be added by recompiling the kernel or at least the driver for the kernel, so I still could use binaries for the applications. Since audio on FreeBSD seems to be a niche, I wonder if it's more promising, to go the source or to go the binary rout. I suspect if it's impossible or at least less good to mix binaries and from source build software for FreeBSD, I should chose to build from source. Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 8.3 amd64
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 05:13:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Thank you Erich :) ok, so FreeBSD release is the version of the kernel and not a labelling for the collection of all the software. No. The version specification refers to the version of the kernel _and_ the operating system (which form a unit maintained by the FreeBSD team). Those typically have to be in sync. Depending on what branch you follow, this can be: a) a static release number, e. g. 8.2-RELEASE b) a release, enriched by security updates, e. g. 8.2-RELEASE-p2 c) a stable version, e. g. 8-STABLE of a specific date (this is work in progress that has been considered working) d) a development version, e. g. 10-CURRENT (this may or _may not_ even compile, it's experimental) Depending on what branch you follow, updating techniques may differ: freebsd-update (the binary way) can be used for a) and b); for c) and d) you update from source. For Linux major distros there usually is a labelling for the collection of the software, independent of the kernel version. Linux doesn't know the differentiation between the operating system (consisting of the OS kernel and the OS programs, the world in FreeBSD terminology) and everything else (third party contributed applications, in FreeBSD provided by the ports collection). On Linux I usually install binaries for the base system and desktop environment, but for important software, in my case it's audio, compiling from source is very important. The ports collection allows both binary installation and by source. There are tools that help managing them. Note that unlike Linux, FreeBSD draws a line between the OS and installed applications - you need to install and update them separately. This is a big benefit as a failed program installation can never harm your OS. The author of the snd_hdspe driver for FreeBSD seems to need testers. It seems to be that nobody ever tested if ADAT is working and I'll test it. OTOH I suspect bug fixes for the driver have to be added by recompiling the kernel or at least the driver for the kernel, so I still could use binaries for the applications. Of course. The separation I've mentioned explicitely allows this method to function. What you need to do is to update your sources in /usr/src and then recompile the kernel and, if required, the world, as explained in /usr/src/Makefile's comment header. Since audio on FreeBSD seems to be a niche, I wonder if it's more promising, to go the source or to go the binary rout. I'd say: Use the source Luke. :-) Experimental changes and bleeding edge updates are typically a domain of source installations. With svn you can track smallest changes very quickly, apply them to your system and have a test run. Doesn't work? Undo the change, or wait for a new version. I suspect if it's impossible or at least less good to mix binaries and from source build software for FreeBSD, I should chose to build from source. Basically there is no problem. One thing you have to pay attention to is dependency versions, but that's what port management tools like portmaster can do for you. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 8.3 amd64
On Tue, 2012-12-18 at 18:42 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I want to test snd_hdspe. How can I upgrade from 8.2 to a version ^^^8.3 including the driver or something similar to get the driver? Btw. I didn't test, if the driver is part of 8.3 until now :D, but if IIUC I need = 9.0. I'll read http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html can I assume that because I didn't install or updated and configured anything until now, there won't be issues for a version upgrade, if I only configure PPPoE, followed by a release upgrade and after that I'll install software and set up FreeBSD completely? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 8.3 amd64
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 18:42:41 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I want to test snd_hdspe. How can I upgrade from 8.2 to a version including the driver or something similar to get the driver? Btw. I didn't test, if the driver is part of 8.3 until now :D, but if IIUC I need = 9.0. It would probably be the easiest way to update your source tree (using svn as this is the default method today) and re-install from that. I'm not sure freebsd-update can cross the major version border without trouble (never tried). See 25.7 for details: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html But also note that freebsd-update supports a -r version option as explained in 25.2.3: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html But as I said, I've never personally tried that. This approach keeps all your partition settings and doesn't require any other work to be done on that level. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 8.3 amd64
On Tue, 2012-12-18 at 18:57 +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 18:42:41 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I want to test snd_hdspe. How can I upgrade from 8.2 to a version including the driver or something similar to get the driver? Btw. I didn't test, if the driver is part of 8.3 until now :D, but if IIUC I need = 9.0. It would probably be the easiest way to update your source tree (using svn as this is the default method today) and re-install from that. I'm not sure freebsd-update can cross the major version border without trouble (never tried). See 25.7 for details: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html But also note that freebsd-update supports a -r version option as explained in 25.2.3: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html But as I said, I've never personally tried that. This approach keeps all your partition settings and doesn't require any other work to be done on that level. Thank you :) I'll read and test it later. Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 8.3 amd64
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 18:54:29 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2012-12-18 at 18:42 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I want to test snd_hdspe. How can I upgrade from 8.2 to a version ^^^8.3 including the driver or something similar to get the driver? Btw. I didn't test, if the driver is part of 8.3 until now :D, but if IIUC I need = 9.0. I'll read http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html can I assume that because I didn't install or updated and configured anything until now, there won't be issues for a version upgrade, if I only configure PPPoE, followed by a release upgrade and after that I'll install software and set up FreeBSD completely? Sounds like a valid approach. I've been doing this many times, i. e. first install base system from installation media without additional packages, setup networking (PPPoE in former times, DHCP today), then update the system to the desired version or branch (e. g. -STABLE via source), and then start installing the applications from ports (also updated). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
--As of March 16, 2011 10:17:12 PM +, Matthew Seaman is alleged to have said: I suggest you try out your update in a VM then, because I doubt anyone will produce an answer definitive enough for you. --As for the rest, it is mine. In case anyone still cares, and if a VM running in Parallels on an OS X box is a good enough test for people... Matthew's answer tested out as being correct. The VM booted correctly after the binary update, but failed after upgrading the version of the zpool. Notably, `zpool upgrade -a` mentioned this in it's output, and gave the command to fix the problem. (Which would update the bootloader.) Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
Randal == Randal L Schwartz mer...@stonehenge.com writes: Randal OK, so I'll appeal to the rest of freebsd-questions, since you can't Randal answer with authority: Randal can you upgrade from 8.1 to 8.2 using freebsd-update booting from Randal ZFS as described at http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/, Randal without having to go through the chicanry described at Randal http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=94557postcount=19 - or is Randal there an updated version of that post, or should that post be Randal literally followed? Randal SOMEONE here knows. Please help. So, nobody knows? Most of the other answers were about a source-code upgrade, not a binary upgrade. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
On Wed, March 16, 2011 2:36 pm, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Randal SOMEONE here knows. Please help. So, nobody knows? Most of the other answers were about a source-code upgrade, not a binary upgrade. I thought Matthew Seamans' answer sounded pretty definitive: A system update via freebsd-update or otherwise won't touch whatever bootblocks you have installed. So if you have already installed gptzfsboot and your system already boots ZFS v12 then it will continue to boot ZFS v12 without your touching anything to do with boot blocks. However, with the 8.1 - 8.2 upgrade, you get (inter-alia) ZFS v13 support (I think it's v13 -- all my personal kit is running the stable/8 v28 patchset...) plus equivalent zpool version bump. The 8.1 bootblocks don't understand ZFS v13. If you wish to update the on-disk formats of your ZFS stuff: 'zpool upgrade -a' or 'zfs upgrade -a' then you *will* need to reinstall the gptzfsboot boot-blocks. You don't have to update the ZFS formats, but you'll miss out on various performance and bug-fixes if you don't. Given that the gptzfsboot boot blocks are backwards compatible to older ZFS versions, highly recommended to update the boot blocks even if you aren't intending to upgrade the ZFS bits just yet. Just as an anti-foot-shooting measure. By that: You don't _have_ to do anything. But it is probably a good idea. Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
Daniel == Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net writes: Daniel On Wed, March 16, 2011 2:36 pm, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Randal SOMEONE here knows. Please help. So, nobody knows? Most of the other answers were about a source-code upgrade, not a binary upgrade. Daniel I thought Matthew Seamans' answer sounded pretty definitive: A system update via freebsd-update or otherwise won't touch whatever bootblocks you have installed. So if you have already installed gptzfsboot and your system already boots ZFS v12 then it will continue to boot ZFS v12 without your touching anything to do with boot blocks. But this was absolutely *not* the case with 8.0 to 8.1. I had tried it naively in a VM, and thank goodness, because the VM failed to boot. Then I googled, and found http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=94557postcount=19 which when I followed, and it worked fine. Thus, when I did my live 8.0 to 8.1 upgrades, I followed that extra gpart bootcode step, and everything worked fine. Therefore, Matthew Seaman can't be trusted with his answer. He apparently did not boot a ZFS-on-root disk with a freebsd-update from 8.0 to 8.1, or he would not have said what he did. The question I have is, does anyone know *definitively* if the same thing that broke 8.0 to 8.1 will also likely occur in 8.1 to 8.2, or does the bootloader in 8.2 now contain what /boot/gptzfsboot contained in 8.1? As in, does FreeBSD 8.2 now support *native* ZFS booting, or will it forever be a kluge? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
On 16/03/2011 21:44, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Therefore, Matthew Seaman can't be trusted with his answer. He apparently did not boot a ZFS-on-root disk with a freebsd-update from 8.0 to 8.1, or he would not have said what he did. Gee. Thanks. I suggest you try out your update in a VM then, because I doubt anyone will produce an answer definitive enough for you. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
Matthew == Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk writes: Matthew Gee. Thanks. Well, either you're not describing your actual experience, or I've misunderstood. I'm open to input. Are you trying to tell me that you were able to go from 8.0 to 8.1, using freebsd-update, with a ZFS-on-root boot? Or were you just saying well, it *should* work, because it my experience it didn't. Matthew I suggest you try out your update in a VM then, because I doubt anyone Matthew will produce an answer definitive enough for you. Sure they can. I want someone who actually hacks the ZFS boot code to help me out. How do I reach them? Is ZFS a first-class FS now in the binary builds, or not? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
On 14 March 2011 00:10, Andrew Moran amo...@forsythia.net wrote: I have successfully upgraded form FreeBSD 8.1 to FreeBSD 8.2. Here were my steps: cvsup /root/stable-supfile cd /usr/src make buildworld make buildkernel make installkernel shutdown -r now *select single user mode* mount -u / zfs mount -a mergemaster -p make installworld mergemaster gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ad4 gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ad5 zpool upgrade -a zfs upgrade -a shutdown -r now NOTE 1: the gpart commands are specific to my setup - I'm using a ZFS mirror on ad4 and ad5.Your system may be different. NOTE 2: my zfs upgrade -a ran out of swap space and died. I ran zfs upgrade to see what filesystems were left un-upgraded and did those manually. Thanks Scott Ballantyne and everyone else who responded. Cheers! --Andy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org sorry this is a bit late but here is the update script I use. I basically creates a structure like this. Makes if very easy to flip flop between os installs by modifying the pool bootfs variable system-4k/be 35.2G 1.20T 156K /system-4k/be system-4k/be/current 1.22G 1.20T 740M legacy system-4k/be/root20110226 2.80G 1.20T 882M legacy system-4k/be/root20110302 3.24G 1.20T 882M legacy system-4k/be/root20110306 1.32G 1.20T 882M legacy system-4k/be/root20110312 1.36G 1.20T 923M legacy system-4k/be/tmp 776K 1.21T 260K /tmp system-4k/be/usr-local2.84G 1.20T 2.47G /usr/local/ system-4k/be/usr-obj 5.08G 1.20T 2.09G /usr/obj system-4k/be/usr-ports5.82G 1.20T 4.33G /usr/ports system-4k/be/usr-ports/distfiles 1.20G 1.20T 1.19G /usr/ports/distfiles system-4k/be/usr-src 1.49G 1.20T 973M /usr/src system-4k/be/var 4.72G 1.21T 805M /var system-4k/be/var/log 3.66G 1.21T 2.34G /var/log system-4k/be/var/mysql82.5M 1.21T 33.9M /var/db/mysql #!/usr/local/bin/bash if [ $UID != 0 ] ; then echo your not root !! ; exit 1 fi date=`date '+%Y%m%d'` oroot=`grep vfs.root.mountfrom=\zfs:system-4k/ /boot/loader.conf | sed -e s#^.*\zfs:system-4k/be/## -e s#\##` nroot=root$date snap=autoup-$RANDOM zpool=system-4k export DESTDIR=/$zpool/be/$nroot if [ $oroot = $nroot ] ; then echo i cant update twice in one day; exit 1 fi echo building in $zpool/be/$nroot zfs snapshot $zpool/be/$oroot@$snap zfs send $zpool/be/$oroot@$snap | zfs receive -vv $zpool/be/$nroot cd /usr/src make installkernel make installworld sed -i -e s#$zpool/be/$oroot#$zpool/be/$nroot# /$zpool/be/$nroot/boot/loader.conf \ echo Installing boot records.. zpool status system-4k | grep -A 2 mirror | grep ad | sed -e s/p[0-9]// | while read a b; do gpart bootcode -b /zfsboot/pmbr -p /zfsboot/gptzfsboot -i 1 $a; done cp -v /zfsboot/zfsloader /$zpool/be/$nroot/boot/. echo -en \n\nNow run these two commands to make the changes live, and reboot zfs set mountpoint=legacy $zpool/be/$nroot zpool set bootfs=$zpool/be/$nroot $zpool\n\n ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
Hallo, I switched my system over to using a ZFS on root setup in 8.1. I want to upgrade it to 8.2. Is there any changes to the buildworld/buildkernel/installworld/installkernel/mergemaster routine? The only thing I found via google was this: http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?23,178896,179074 And he does a mount -u ./ and a zfs mount -a but it's not clear to me why he's doing that. --Andy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 17:40, Andrew Moran amo...@forsythia.net wrote: Hallo, I switched my system over to using a ZFS on root setup in 8.1. I want to upgrade it to 8.2. Is there any changes to the buildworld/buildkernel/installworld/installkernel/mergemaster routine? The only thing I found via google was this: http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?23,178896,179074 And he does a mount -u ./ and a zfs mount -a but it's not clear to me why he's doing that. --Andy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Hello Andy Usually I use zfs mount -a to mount all and zfs set readonly=off zpool/system to take filesystem writable ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
Andrew == Andrew Moran amo...@forsythia.net writes: Andrew I switched my system over to using a ZFS on root setup in 8.1. Andrew I want to upgrade it to 8.2. Andrew Is there any changes to the Andrew buildworld/buildkernel/installworld/installkernel/mergemaster Andrew routine? And for those of us using the binary upgrade, do I need to follow http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=94557postcount=19 still? Or do nothing? Or do something else? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Randal L. Schwartz mer...@stonehenge.comwrote: Andrew == Andrew Moran amo...@forsythia.net writes: Andrew I switched my system over to using a ZFS on root setup in 8.1. Andrew I want to upgrade it to 8.2. Andrew Is there any changes to the Andrew buildworld/buildkernel/installworld/installkernel/mergemaster Andrew routine? And for those of us using the binary upgrade, do I need to follow http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=94557postcount=19 still? Or do nothing? Or do something else? Well those are his modified upgrade instructions, they seem relatively sound but the extra steps aren't required. The gpart stuff is to update the boot loader which is only necessary if you upgrade the file system or pool eg zfs/zpool upgrade. You should probably run this just to prevent potential severe pain later. And as it's said, the nextboot is there because he's running a custom kernel and wants to boot into GENERIC next time then later rebuilds his custom kernel. The short story is if you are running GENERIC anyway, a standard binary upgrade would work fine, but if you have taken a divergent path you'll have to account for those differences in your upgrade process. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
Adam == Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com writes: Adam On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Randal L. Schwartz Adam mer...@stonehenge.comwrote: http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=94557postcount=19 Adam Well those are his modified upgrade instructions, they seem Adam relatively sound but the extra steps aren't required. The gpart Adam stuff is to update the boot loader which is only necessary if you Adam upgrade the file system or pool eg zfs/zpool upgrade. You should Adam probably run this just to prevent potential severe pain later. No, this was *absolutely* necessary for the 8.1 upgrade, because the binary-installed boot loader was still ZFS ignorant. I'm just asking if it's *still* necessary for 8.2. Does the 8.2 boot loader now know about ZFS if I install it from freebsd-update? Keep in mind, I'm booting straight from ZFS. There are no UFS partitions on my disk. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Randal L. Schwartz mer...@stonehenge.comwrote: Adam == Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com writes: Adam On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Randal L. Schwartz Adam mer...@stonehenge.comwrote: http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=94557postcount=19 Adam Well those are his modified upgrade instructions, they seem Adam relatively sound but the extra steps aren't required. The gpart Adam stuff is to update the boot loader which is only necessary if you Adam upgrade the file system or pool eg zfs/zpool upgrade. You should Adam probably run this just to prevent potential severe pain later. No, this was *absolutely* necessary for the 8.1 upgrade, because the binary-installed boot loader was still ZFS ignorant. I'm just asking if it's *still* necessary for 8.2. Does the 8.2 boot loader now know about ZFS if I install it from freebsd-update? Keep in mind, I'm booting straight from ZFS. There are no UFS partitions on my disk. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org You need the new bootloader if you upgrade the zpool and zfs filesystems. You'll get a message to that effect if you do that. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
On 13/03/2011 17:37, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Adam == Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com writes: Adam On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Randal L. Schwartz Adam mer...@stonehenge.comwrote: http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=94557postcount=19 Adam Well those are his modified upgrade instructions, they seem Adam relatively sound but the extra steps aren't required. The gpart Adam stuff is to update the boot loader which is only necessary if you Adam upgrade the file system or pool eg zfs/zpool upgrade. You should Adam probably run this just to prevent potential severe pain later. No, this was *absolutely* necessary for the 8.1 upgrade, because the binary-installed boot loader was still ZFS ignorant. I'm just asking if it's *still* necessary for 8.2. Does the 8.2 boot loader now know about ZFS if I install it from freebsd-update? Keep in mind, I'm booting straight from ZFS. There are no UFS partitions on my disk. A system update via freebsd-update or otherwise won't touch whatever bootblocks you have installed. So if you have already installed gptzfsboot and your system already boots ZFS v12 then it will continue to boot ZFS v12 without your touching anything to do with boot blocks. However, with the 8.1 - 8.2 upgrade, you get (inter-alia) ZFS v13 support (I think it's v13 -- all my personal kit is running the stable/8 v28 patchset...) plus equivalent zpool version bump. The 8.1 bootblocks don't understand ZFS v13. If you wish to update the on-disk formats of your ZFS stuff: 'zpool upgrade -a' or 'zfs upgrade -a' then you *will* need to reinstall the gptzfsboot boot-blocks. You don't have to update the ZFS formats, but you'll miss out on various performance and bug-fixes if you don't. Given that the gptzfsboot boot blocks are backwards compatible to older ZFS versions, highly recommended to update the boot blocks even if you aren't intending to upgrade the ZFS bits just yet. Just as an anti-foot-shooting measure. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
Daniel == Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net writes: Daniel Nothing in the release notes appears to mention the bootloader and zfs Daniel together, so I'd take the safe approach and assume it is still Daniel necessary. OK, so I'll appeal to the rest of freebsd-questions, since you can't answer with authority: can you upgrade from 8.1 to 8.2 using freebsd-update booting from ZFS as described at http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/, without having to go through the chicanry described at http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=94557postcount=19 - or is there an updated version of that post, or should that post be literally followed? SOMEONE here knows. Please help. Otherwise, I have to build a VM system again with 8.1, just like I did with 8.0, to figure out that 8.1 would NOT upgrade cleanly, and required that extra step. Please save me the trouble for 8.1 to 8.2. I have four VPSs that need to move from 8.1 to 8.2 remotely. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
I have successfully upgraded form FreeBSD 8.1 to FreeBSD 8.2. Here were my steps: cvsup /root/stable-supfile cd /usr/src make buildworld make buildkernel make installkernel shutdown -r now *select single user mode* mount -u / zfs mount -a mergemaster -p make installworld mergemaster gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ad4 gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ad5 zpool upgrade -a zfs upgrade -a shutdown -r now NOTE 1: the gpart commands are specific to my setup - I'm using a ZFS mirror on ad4 and ad5.Your system may be different. NOTE 2: my zfs upgrade -a ran out of swap space and died. I ran zfs upgrade to see what filesystems were left un-upgraded and did those manually. Thanks Scott Ballantyne and everyone else who responded. Cheers! --Andy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How long do you go without upgrading FreeBSD to a newer release?
On Thu, 20 May 2010, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: (i) install onto a new computer , test it , and if it is working very well transfer data onto new system , and keep old system for a new release/update cycle . This step is most suitable for production systems exposed to outer world . (ii) attach a new hard disk to the computer , copy all of the present files to the new system , update it , test it , if it is successful , use previous hard disk for a new release/update cycle , (iii) back-up all of the data , and try update . Testing suitability may take a long time . In steps (ii) and (iii) , do not load new data during tests , because at the end , all of them may be destroyed . ( No one of the above steps are suitable for a proprietary , activation based operating system because they are not allowing so many computer and/or hard disk changes . ) Therefore , the problem is a system analysis and design process . In my case, I have nagios setup to advise me when its been 60 days since last upgrade and perform an upgrade religiously when the alarm is sounded ... have had this policy for *years* now without regret ... Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How long do you go without upgrading FreeBSD to a newer release?
2010/5/21 Hans Ivers hansiv...@gmail.com: On May 16, 11:42 am, Dan Naumov dan.nau...@gmail.com wrote: Hello folks Just a thought/question that has recently come to my mind: How long do you usually wait until upgrading to a newer release of FreeBSD? I am sure there are lots of people who upgrade straight away, but what about the opposite? What's your oldest currently running installation, do you have any issues and are you planning on an upgrade or do you intend to leave it running as is until some critical piece of hardware breaks down, requiring a replacement? I tend to stick with extended releases of FreeBSD, which are supported for two years instead of one. It reduces the need for minor version upgrades. When time comes, I jump to the next extended release (i.e, from 7.1 to 7.3, which has also extended support). http://security.freebsd.org/#sup Good luck! I have a desktop computer (Athlon 2400+) running 8.0-RELEASE, I will update it to 8.1-RELEASE and I update the portstree and ports every weeks. I also have a laptop that have some issues to fix, because 8.0-R do not have iwn(4) for my intel 1000 link I use 8.0-STABLE on it and I update world/kernel every two weeks but when 8.1-RELEASE will be released I won't use -STABLE anymore, I guess. Cheers. -- Demelier David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How long do you go without upgrading FreeBSD to a newer release?
On May 16, 11:42 am, Dan Naumov dan.nau...@gmail.com wrote: Hello folks Just a thought/question that has recently come to my mind: How long do you usually wait until upgrading to a newer release of FreeBSD? I am sure there are lots of people who upgrade straight away, but what about the opposite? What's your oldest currently running installation, do you have any issues and are you planning on an upgrade or do you intend to leave it running as is until some critical piece of hardware breaks down, requiring a replacement? I tend to stick with extended releases of FreeBSD, which are supported for two years instead of one. It reduces the need for minor version upgrades. When time comes, I jump to the next extended release (i.e, from 7.1 to 7.3, which has also extended support). http://security.freebsd.org/#sup Good luck! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How long do you go without upgrading FreeBSD to a newer release?
On 2010-05-16 17:42, Dan Naumov wrote: Hello folks [snip] Do you liva by the If it's not broken, don't fix it mantra or do you religiously keep your OS installations up to date? - Sincerely, Dan Naumov Depends on the installation requirements. I know of two 2.2.8 installations on PII hardware still running like champs, not a glitch in god knows how many years of 24/7 operation. None of them are exposed externally so there are no security considerations. The customers that runs them are still more then happy with their servers so I'm actually a bit curious to see how long they will keep them running. I have a few other servers that are highly exposed. My mantra there is to run _verified_ software. Not necessarily the latest, but software that has no known bugs and has been well tested. To religiously update everytime there is a new version and blame it on security is stupid. How do you know that a brand new version of a software does not contain a big gaping security hole unless it has been tested in the wild yet? -- R ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How long do you go without upgrading FreeBSD to a newer release?
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Roger Vetterberg ro...@vetterberg.comwrote: On 2010-05-16 17:42, Dan Naumov wrote: Hello folks [snip] Do you liva by the If it's not broken, don't fix it mantra or do you religiously keep your OS installations up to date? - Sincerely, Dan Naumov Depends on the installation requirements. I know of two 2.2.8 installations on PII hardware still running like champs, not a glitch in god knows how many years of 24/7 operation. None of them are exposed externally so there are no security considerations. The customers that runs them are still more then happy with their servers so I'm actually a bit curious to see how long they will keep them running. I have a few other servers that are highly exposed. My mantra there is to run _verified_ software. Not necessarily the latest, but software that has no known bugs and has been well tested. To religiously update everytime there is a new version and blame it on security is stupid. How do you know that a brand new version of a software does not contain a big gaping security hole unless it has been tested in the wild yet? -- R More than two years I am studying FreeBSD and some Linux distributions , mostly I am using Mandriva Linux ( attaching USB sticks mounts them automatically , and burning CD/DVD is very easy . No one of them require mount . ) . After very desperate experiences ( loss of collection of large amounts of downloaded documents and other files after upgrading the operating system either by automatic update , or approved update of installed components ) I have learned that upgrading an actively used operating system ( including Windows ) is plainly wrong . Now I am NOT upgrading any more any one ( I have turned Off automatic updates , and I am ignoring notices about availability upgrades ) . The best policy seems to be one of the following : (i) install onto a new computer , test it , and if it is working very well transfer data onto new system , and keep old system for a new release/update cycle . This step is most suitable for production systems exposed to outer world . (ii) attach a new hard disk to the computer , copy all of the present files to the new system , update it , test it , if it is successful , use previous hard disk for a new release/update cycle , (iii) back-up all of the data , and try update . Testing suitability may take a long time . In steps (ii) and (iii) , do not load new data during tests , because at the end , all of them may be destroyed . ( No one of the above steps are suitable for a proprietary , activation based operating system because they are not allowing so many computer and/or hard disk changes . ) Therefore , the problem is a system analysis and design process . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [#24509808] How long do you go without upgrading FreeBSD to a newer release?
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Re: [#24509808] How long do you go without upgrading FreeBSD to a newer release?
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How long do you go without upgrading FreeBSD to a newer release?
Hello folks Just a thought/question that has recently come to my mind: How long do you usually wait until upgrading to a newer release of FreeBSD? I am sure there are lots of people who upgrade straight away, but what about the opposite? What's your oldest currently running installation, do you have any issues and are you planning on an upgrade or do you intend to leave it running as is until some critical piece of hardware breaks down, requiring a replacement? The reason I am asking is: I have a 8.0 installation that I am VERY happy with. It runs like clockwork. eveything is properly configured and highly locked down, all services accessible to the outside world are running inside ezjail-managed jails on top of ZFS, meaning it's also very trivial to restore jails via snapshots, should the need ever arise. I don't really see myself NEEDING to upgrade for many years. even long after security updates stop being made for 8.0, since I can see myself being able to at least work my way around arising security issues with my configuration and to break into the real host OS and cause real damage would mean you have to be either really really dedicated, have a gun and know where I live or serve me with a warrant. Do you liva by the If it's not broken, don't fix it mantra or do you religiously keep your OS installations up to date? - Sincerely, Dan Naumov ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How long do you go without upgrading FreeBSD to a newer release?
then stay with what you have if its working, no need to upgrade, unless theres new feature you can use, after you are confident its runs the same or better in pre-production with all the apps you use, ive still got a 4.10 box On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Dan Naumov dan.nau...@gmail.com wrote: Hello folks Just a thought/question that has recently come to my mind: How long do you usually wait until upgrading to a newer release of FreeBSD? I am sure there are lots of people who upgrade straight away, but what about the opposite? What's your oldest currently running installation, do you have any issues and are you planning on an upgrade or do you intend to leave it running as is until some critical piece of hardware breaks down, requiring a replacement? The reason I am asking is: I have a 8.0 installation that I am VERY happy with. It runs like clockwork. eveything is properly configured and highly locked down, all services accessible to the outside world are running inside ezjail-managed jails on top of ZFS, meaning it's also very trivial to restore jails via snapshots, should the need ever arise. I don't really see myself NEEDING to upgrade for many years. even long after security updates stop being made for 8.0, since I can see myself being able to at least work my way around arising security issues with my configuration and to break into the real host OS and cause real damage would mean you have to be either really really dedicated, have a gun and know where I live or serve me with a warrant. Do you liva by the If it's not broken, don't fix it mantra or do you religiously keep your OS installations up to date? - Sincerely, Dan Naumov ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How long do you go without upgrading FreeBSD to a newer release?
On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:42:44 +0300, Dan Naumov dan.nau...@gmail.com wrote: Just a thought/question that has recently come to my mind: How long do you usually wait until upgrading to a newer release of FreeBSD? A quite generic answer: Only as long as needed. :-) Upgrading often is determined by certain considerations, such as the ability to maintain system security (again depending on the setting and the purpose of the installation), or the require- ment for some functionality that explicitely requires upgrading. What's your oldest currently running installation, do you have any issues and are you planning on an upgrade or do you intend to leave it running as is until some critical piece of hardware breaks down, requiring a replacement? FreeBSD 5.4-p14 on a P2/300, 128 MB RAM, office workstation, last update both in system and applications in 2006. Upgrade planning: no. Leave it running as long as possible: yes. Reason: System runs perfectly (it's not on WAN or acting as a server, so no major security considerations). It runs better than my FreeBSD 7 home system which awaits upgrading to 8 soon. :-) Oldest: 4.1 on a 486 laptop, I'm sure it still works, but it's not in regular use. :-) The reason I am asking is: I have a 8.0 installation that I am VERY happy with. It runs like clockwork. eveything is properly configured and highly locked down, all services accessible to the outside world are running inside ezjail-managed jails on top of ZFS, meaning it's also very trivial to restore jails via snapshots, should the need ever arise. I don't really see myself NEEDING to upgrade for many years. even long after security updates stop being made for 8.0, since I can see myself being able to at least work my way around arising security issues with my configuration and to break into the real host OS and cause real damage would mean you have to be either really really dedicated, have a gun and know where I live or serve me with a warrant. If you're running services available to the outside world, keep in mind *their* security updates also. If those require a system update, do it, but usually they don't - you usually just upgrade the ports in question. For servers, you should follow -p as long as possible. If there are no further security updates for a certain release, it MAY be a valid idea to upgrade to the new release (e. g. 8.0 to 8.2, or what's the current release when 8.0-p doesn't continue). Do you liva by the If it's not broken, don't fix it mantra or do you religiously keep your OS installations up to date? Maybe you'll laugh, but I go with both ways. :-) I've got an experimental system that I try bleeding edge software on, just to see how well it works. Servers and workstations that I need to RELY ON go with not broken, not fix. I'm sure you'll get more answers that suggest you to really think about what you want to do, and that determines your way, maybe both ways, if that fits your requirements. Both ways have their advantages and disadvantages, and it's up to you how you handle it. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How long do you go without upgrading FreeBSD to a newer release?
On 16 May 2010 17:05, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:42:44 +0300, Dan Naumov dan.nau...@gmail.com wrote: Just a thought/question that has recently come to my mind: How long do you usually wait until upgrading to a newer release of FreeBSD? A quite generic answer: Only as long as needed. :-) Upgrading often is determined by certain considerations, such as the ability to maintain system security (again depending on the setting and the purpose of the installation), or the require- ment for some functionality that explicitely requires upgrading. What's your oldest currently running installation, do you have any issues and are you planning on an upgrade or do you intend to leave it running as is until some critical piece of hardware breaks down, requiring a replacement? FreeBSD 5.4-p14 on a P2/300, 128 MB RAM, office workstation, last update both in system and applications in 2006. Upgrade planning: no. Leave it running as long as possible: yes. Reason: System runs perfectly (it's not on WAN or acting as a server, so no major security considerations). It runs better than my FreeBSD 7 home system which awaits upgrading to 8 soon. :-) Oldest: 4.1 on a 486 laptop, I'm sure it still works, but it's not in regular use. :-) The reason I am asking is: I have a 8.0 installation that I am VERY happy with. It runs like clockwork. eveything is properly configured and highly locked down, all services accessible to the outside world are running inside ezjail-managed jails on top of ZFS, meaning it's also very trivial to restore jails via snapshots, should the need ever arise. I don't really see myself NEEDING to upgrade for many years. even long after security updates stop being made for 8.0, since I can see myself being able to at least work my way around arising security issues with my configuration and to break into the real host OS and cause real damage would mean you have to be either really really dedicated, have a gun and know where I live or serve me with a warrant. If you're running services available to the outside world, keep in mind *their* security updates also. If those require a system update, do it, but usually they don't - you usually just upgrade the ports in question. For servers, you should follow -p as long as possible. If there are no further security updates for a certain release, it MAY be a valid idea to upgrade to the new release (e. g. 8.0 to 8.2, or what's the current release when 8.0-p doesn't continue). Do you liva by the If it's not broken, don't fix it mantra or do you religiously keep your OS installations up to date? Maybe you'll laugh, but I go with both ways. :-) I've got an experimental system that I try bleeding edge software on, just to see how well it works. Servers and workstations that I need to RELY ON go with not broken, not fix. I'm sure you'll get more answers that suggest you to really think about what you want to do, and that determines your way, maybe both ways, if that fits your requirements. Both ways have their advantages and disadvantages, and it's up to you how you handle it. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org we have some production dns caches at work running bsd 4.3, that have been there for nearly a decade. We keep the dns software on them upto date and they are locked down with a firewall. However they will be going some time this year, but thats more down to consolidation than anything else. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How long do you go without upgrading FreeBSD to a newer release?
On Sun 16 May 2010 at 08:42:44 PDT Dan Naumov wrote: Just a thought/question that has recently come to my mind: How long do you usually wait until upgrading to a newer release of FreeBSD? My machines are all for personal use only, and it wouldn't be a disaster if any of them went down for an extended period. So I don't hesitate to upgrade to new releases as soon as they appear. I'm currently running 8.0-STABLE and update it every week or so. The portstree is updated daily. If my income depended on these machines, I'd probably be more cautious. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Upgrading Freebsd 5.4 release to 5.4 stable
Hi, We have 12 servers running freebsd. They are basically web servers having cpanel control panel. All these server are running FreeBSD 5.4 Release as of now. Now are thinking of upgrading it to 5.4 Stable Please let me know the merits and demerits of the same. Do you feel it is good move to upgrade to the stable version. If it is suggested that I go for the upgrade which mode would suit the servers ? Awaiting all your valuable suggestions ... -- Jayesh Jayan The box said Requires Windows 95, NT, or better, so I installed Linux. Visit my homepage @ http://www.jayeshjayan.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading Freebsd 5.4 release to 5.4 stable
Jayesh Jayan wrote: Hi, We have 12 servers running freebsd. They are basically web servers having cpanel control panel. All these server are running FreeBSD 5.4 Release as of now. Now are thinking of upgrading it to 5.4 Stable Please let me know the merits and demerits of the same. Do you feel it is good move to upgrade to the stable version. The question is, will you ever go to 6.X ? I'd think that if they last very long, the answer might well be yes. 5.5 will be the last RELEASE on the RELENG_5 branch. Moving to -STABLE might keep you closer to the targets in your future; consider someone who right now wants to get from 4.11 to 6.0 --- they have to make one rather tricky jump to, what, 5.2.1(?), RTFMG, and then hope that they don't need another intermediate bump to get *smoothly* to wherever RELENG_6 might be ATM. By keeping up a tad, you might be setting yourself up for smoother transitions in the future. YMMV, and all that. Have you considered simply tracking RELENG_5_4 (aka security branch)? Should be very little risk involved, and a smooth transition to 5.5 or 6.X. Since you have a dozen servers, you might do well to set up a testbed machine and try everything out before touching your production boxes. But then, if you run 12 servers, you're probably already thinking about that. If it is suggested that I go for the upgrade which mode would suit the servers ? Mode?? Meaning, how to go about this process? Are they all identical? Are you using a GENERIC or identical kernel config on all? If so, it should be easy on you to do the make buildworld and make buildkernel steps on your testbed, export /usr/obj via NFS to your production machines, and simply have them mount this share and do the make installkernel and make installworld steps. IOW, just like the manual, but you do the hard work only once. Awaiting all your valuable suggestions ... -- Jayesh Jayan Heh. I doubt it was that valuable. Good luck! Kevin Kinsey -- Who to himself is law no law doth need, offends no law, and is a king indeed. -- George Chapman ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading Freebsd 5.4 release to 5.4 stable
That was valuable in deed The 12 server are all identical but the problem is that the test machine which we will be using is not of the same class as that of the server. Then all the server run a custom built kernel and not the generic one. By mode I meant how to go about doing this process. Is it better to go the cvs way or the binary way ? Currently we have not yet thought of freebsd 6.0, we are thinking of making the servers bit more stable with the stable version We came to this conclusion because our servers do have a problem were the server gets rebooted automatically with put any reason ( I couldn't get any from the logs ) This issue is there with all the servers but the one server suffers the most ( having a real bad uptime which is max of 2 days ) I hope to get more data on the same so that the transition is done smoothly On 2/23/06, Kevin Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jayesh Jayan wrote: Hi, We have 12 servers running freebsd. They are basically web servers having cpanel control panel. All these server are running FreeBSD 5.4 Release as of now. Now are thinking of upgrading it to 5.4 Stable Please let me know the merits and demerits of the same. Do you feel it is good move to upgrade to the stable version. The question is, will you ever go to 6.X ? I'd think that if they last very long, the answer might well be yes. 5.5 will be the last RELEASE on the RELENG_5 branch. Moving to -STABLE might keep you closer to the targets in your future; consider someone who right now wants to get from 4.11 to 6.0 --- they have to make one rather tricky jump to, what, 5.2.1(?), RTFMG, and then hope that they don't need another intermediate bump to get *smoothly* to wherever RELENG_6 might be ATM. By keeping up a tad, you might be setting yourself up for smoother transitions in the future. YMMV, and all that. Have you considered simply tracking RELENG_5_4 (aka security branch)? Should be very little risk involved, and a smooth transition to 5.5 or 6.X . Since you have a dozen servers, you might do well to set up a testbed machine and try everything out before touching your production boxes. But then, if you run 12 servers, you're probably already thinking about that. If it is suggested that I go for the upgrade which mode would suit the servers ? Mode?? Meaning, how to go about this process? Are they all identical? Are you using a GENERIC or identical kernel config on all? If so, it should be easy on you to do the make buildworld and make buildkernel steps on your testbed, export /usr/obj via NFS to your production machines, and simply have them mount this share and do the make installkernel and make installworld steps. IOW, just like the manual, but you do the hard work only once. Awaiting all your valuable suggestions ... -- Jayesh Jayan Heh. I doubt it was that valuable. Good luck! Kevin Kinsey -- Who to himself is law no law doth need, offends no law, and is a king indeed. -- George Chapman -- Jayesh Jayan The box said Requires Windows 95, NT, or better, so I installed Linux. Visit my homepage @ http://www.jayeshjayan.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading Freebsd 5.4 release to 5.4 stable
Hi, We have 12 servers running freebsd. They are basically web servers having cpanel control panel. All these server are running FreeBSD 5.4 Release as of now. Now are thinking of upgrading it to 5.4 Stable Hmmm. I wouldn't call that an upgrade really. Except for a few possibly meaningful security patches, it is the same thing. You might well be much better served by upgrading to V6.0 or even waiting a couple of weeks and going to V6.1. It is scheduled for March 20 and it looks like things are pretty much keeping to schedule. Please let me know the merits and demerits of the same. Do you feel it is good move to upgrade to the stable version. The stable version is really sort of an interim collection of the development version. It is generally felt to be stable with a general sense that everything will work together, but not necessarily ready to be considered a release which is a formally tested collection that generally also has the more active ports built and tested against it by the port maintainers. The stable version is only a little bit more together than the 'current' version which is really just a daily snapshot of the development tree with no particular assurance that everything works together - though FreeBSD is well enough put together that current tends to be workable. If you are determined to stick with 5.xxx for some reason, then go for 5.5 which is scheduled for April 3 or track RELENG_5 to get its latest security updates. But, I think you should move to 6.1 or at least RELENG_6.Do a complete fresh clean install of 6.1 and then start tracking the RELENG_6. If it is suggested that I go for the upgrade which mode would suit the servers ? I don't know what you mean by mode. jerry Awaiting all your valuable suggestions ... -- Jayesh Jayan The box said Requires Windows 95, NT, or better, so I installed FreeBSD. Visit my homepage @ http://www.jayeshjayan.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading Freebsd 5.4 release to 5.4 stable
By mode I meant -- binary upgrade or cvs mode On 2/23/06, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, We have 12 servers running freebsd. They are basically web servers having cpanel control panel. All these server are running FreeBSD 5.4 Release as of now. Now are thinking of upgrading it to 5.4 Stable Hmmm. I wouldn't call that an upgrade really. Except for a few possibly meaningful security patches, it is the same thing. You might well be much better served by upgrading to V6.0 or even waiting a couple of weeks and going to V6.1. It is scheduled for March 20 and it looks like things are pretty much keeping to schedule. Please let me know the merits and demerits of the same. Do you feel it is good move to upgrade to the stable version. The stable version is really sort of an interim collection of the development version. It is generally felt to be stable with a general sense that everything will work together, but not necessarily ready to be considered a release which is a formally tested collection that generally also has the more active ports built and tested against it by the port maintainers. The stable version is only a little bit more together than the 'current' version which is really just a daily snapshot of the development tree with no particular assurance that everything works together - though FreeBSD is well enough put together that current tends to be workable. If you are determined to stick with 5.xxx for some reason, then go for 5.5 which is scheduled for April 3 or track RELENG_5 to get its latest security updates. But, I think you should move to 6.1 or at least RELENG_6.Do a complete fresh clean install of 6.1 and then start tracking the RELENG_6. If it is suggested that I go for the upgrade which mode would suit the servers ? I don't know what you mean by mode. jerry Awaiting all your valuable suggestions ... -- Jayesh Jayan The box said Requires Windows 95, NT, or better, so I installed FreeBSD. Visit my homepage @ http://www.jayeshjayan.com -- Jayesh Jayan The box said Requires Windows 95, NT, or better, so I installed Linux. Visit my homepage @ http://www.jayeshjayan.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading Freebsd 5.4 release to 5.4 stable
By mode I meant -- binary upgrade or cvs mode If you go to V-6.xxx as suggested, then do a fresh install, that includes wiping the disk and freshly building the slices and partitions/file systems. Of course, do the appropriate backups first and verify them at least a little. If you are just doing a move to RELENG_5 then use CVS. jerry On 2/23/06, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, We have 12 servers running freebsd. They are basically web servers having cpanel control panel. All these server are running FreeBSD 5.4 Release as of now. Now are thinking of upgrading it to 5.4 Stable Hmmm. I wouldn't call that an upgrade really. Except for a few possibly meaningful security patches, it is the same thing. You might well be much better served by upgrading to V6.0 or even waiting a couple of weeks and going to V6.1. It is scheduled for March 20 and it looks like things are pretty much keeping to schedule. Please let me know the merits and demerits of the same. Do you feel it is good move to upgrade to the stable version. The stable version is really sort of an interim collection of the development version. It is generally felt to be stable with a general sense that everything will work together, but not necessarily ready to be considered a release which is a formally tested collection that generally also has the more active ports built and tested against it by the port maintainers. The stable version is only a little bit more together than the 'current' version which is really just a daily snapshot of the development tree wit= h no particular assurance that everything works together - though FreeBSD i= s well enough put together that current tends to be workable. If you are determined to stick with 5.xxx for some reason, then go for 5.5 which is scheduled for April 3 or track RELENG_5 to get its latest security updates. But, I think you should move to 6.1 or at least RELENG_6.Do a complete fresh clean install of 6.1 and then start tracking the RELENG_6. If it is suggested that I go for the upgrade which mode would suit the servers ? I don't know what you mean by mode. jerry Awaiting all your valuable suggestions ... -- Jayesh Jayan The box said Requires Windows 95, NT, or better, so I installed FreeBSD. Visit my homepage @ http://www.jayeshjayan.com -- Jayesh Jayan The box said Requires Windows 95, NT, or better, so I installed Linux. Visit my homepage @ http://www.jayeshjayan.com --=_Part_6303_26685538.1140706669115 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline brBy mode I meant -- gt; binary upgrade or cvs modebrbrbrdivspa= n class=3Dgmail_quoteOn 2/23/06, b class=3Dgmail_sendernameJerry McA= llister/b lt;a href=3Dmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] .cl.msu.edu /agt; wrote:/spanblockquote class=3Dgmail_quote style=3Dborder-lef= t: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1= ex;gt;brgt; Hi,brgt;brgt; We have 12 servers running freebsd. T= hey are basically web servers having brgt; cpanel control panel.brgt;brgt; All these server are running= FreeBSD 5.4 Release as of now. Now are thinkingbrgt; of upgrading it to= 5.4 Stablebrgt;brbrHmmm.nbsp;nbsp; I wouldn't call that an upgrad= e really. brExcept for a few possibly meaningful security patches, it isbrthe sam= e thing.brbrYou might well be much better served by upgrading to V6.0 o= r evenbrwaiting a couple of weeks and going to V6.1.nbsp;nbsp; It is sc= heduled brfor March 20 and it looks like things are pretty much keepingbrto sch= edule.brbrgt;brgt; Please let me know the merits and demerits of th= e same. Do you feel it isbrgt; good move to upgrade to the stable versio= n. brbrThe stable version is really sort of an interim collection ofbrth= e development version.nbsp;nbsp; It is generally felt to be quot;stable= quot; with abrgeneral sense that everything will work together, but not n= ecessarily brready to be considered a quot;releasequot; which is a formally tested= collectionbrthat generally also has the more active ports built and test= ed againstbrit by the port maintainers.brbrThe stable version is only= a little bit more together than the 'current' brversion which is really just a daily snapshot of the development tree w= ithbrno particular assurance that everything works together - though Free= BSD isbrwell enough put together that current tends to be workable.br brIf you are determined to stick with 5.xxx for some reason, then gobrf= or 5.5 which is scheduled for April 3 or track RELENG_5 to get itsbrlates= t security updates.nbsp;nbsp; But, I think you should move to 6.1 orbra= t least RELENG_6.nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;Do a complete fresh clean install = of=20 6.1 andbrthen start
Re: Upgrading Freebsd 5.4 release to 5.4 stable
That was valuable in deed The 12 server are all identical but the problem is that the test machine which we will be using is not of the same class as that of the server. Then all the server run a custom built kernel and not the generic one. By mode I meant how to go about doing this process. Is it better to go the cvs way or the binary way ? Currently we have not yet thought of freebsd 6.0, we are thinking of making the servers bit more stable with the stable version See, this is a misunderstanding of the way the word 'stable' is being used in regards to the FreeBSD versions. It is stable only in relation to the 'current' development track which is in almost complete flux as people work on it daily. But in comparrison to the RELEASE verion a STABLE version is not as stable (though it is usually pretty good). It is sort of an interim version with security patches and some of the new things that are being worked on. We came to this conclusion because our servers do have a problem were the server gets rebooted automatically with put any reason ( I couldn't get any from the logs ) This is probably not related to the OS level at all. It is most likely some hardware or power stability issue, but could be some software thing if storage space or memory table space or some such is running out. This issue is there with all the servers but the one server suffers the most ( having a real bad uptime which is max of 2 days ) Any possibility you have something going that has a memory leak? jerry I hope to get more data on the same so that the transition is done smoothly ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading Freebsd 5.4 release to 5.4 stable
All are Dell Poweredge servers with identical specification. I did check the message logs an couldn't find any problem What are the other aspects which I need to check so as to find a solution. On 2/23/06, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was valuable in deed The 12 server are all identical but the problem is that the test machine which we will be using is not of the same class as that of the server. Then all the server run a custom built kernel and not the generic one. By mode I meant how to go about doing this process. Is it better to go the cvs way or the binary way ? Currently we have not yet thought of freebsd 6.0, we are thinking of making the servers bit more stable with the stable version See, this is a misunderstanding of the way the word 'stable' is being used in regards to the FreeBSD versions. It is stable only in relation to the 'current' development track which is in almost complete flux as people work on it daily. But in comparrison to the RELEASE verion a STABLE version is not as stable (though it is usually pretty good). It is sort of an interim version with security patches and some of the new things that are being worked on. We came to this conclusion because our servers do have a problem were the server gets rebooted automatically with put any reason ( I couldn't get any from the logs ) This is probably not related to the OS level at all. It is most likely some hardware or power stability issue, but could be some software thing if storage space or memory table space or some such is running out. This issue is there with all the servers but the one server suffers the most ( having a real bad uptime which is max of 2 days ) Any possibility you have something going that has a memory leak? jerry I hope to get more data on the same so that the transition is done smoothly -- Jayesh Jayan The box said Requires Windows 95, NT, or better, so I installed Linux. Visit my homepage @ http://www.jayeshjayan.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading Freebsd 5.4 release to 5.4 stable
On 2/23/06, Jayesh Jayan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All are Dell Poweredge servers with identical specification. I did check the message logs an couldn't find any problem What are the other aspects which I need to check so as to find a solution. I've had FreeBSD 5.4 randomly reboot on high quality hardware... Intel made board, Intel chipset, Intel CPU, Intel approved RAM, and a Beefy 550W Fortron active PFC power supply. In hindsight, as I sit here running 6.0-RELEASE and 6.1-PRERELEASE on my systems, the FreeBSD 5.x series was slow and buggy as hell. I don't fault the developers or the release engineering team, they did the best they could with a system that needed to be massively reworked to stay relevant. Anyways, After FreeBSD 5.5 is release the 5.x series will be officially put down, like a rabid dog and we will deny that it ever existed, like Netscape 5 :-). This means that you have two options, upgrade to 6.x or upgrade to 6.x. If It were up to me then I would just skip 6.0-RELEASE and go straight to 6.1-PRERELEASE (RELENG_6), then cvsup to RELENG_6_1 when it's officially released. Where possible I would wipe the system and install a fresh copy, if not possible then I would do a cvsup upgrade. Be sure to run a 'mergemaster -p' and then when you run the standard mergemaster don't blindly hit i because at some point in the stage it will ask you to install a new version of passwd and group. -- BSD Podcasts @ http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading Freebsd 5.4 release to 5.4 stable
On 2/23/06, Jayesh Jayan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was valuable in deed The 12 server are all identical but the problem is that the test machine which we will be using is not of the same class as that of the server. Then all the server run a custom built kernel and not the generic one. You can still follow Kevins advise: If so, it should be easy on you to do the make buildworld and make buildkernel steps on your testbed, export /usr/obj via NFS to your production machines, and simply have them mount this share and do the make installkernel and make installworld steps. IOW, just like the manual, but you do the hard work only once. 1. Download and Install FreeBSD 6.1-BETA2 (Install the Developer Distribution Set) 2. Cvsup with RELENG_6 (to get most current version of 6.1-PRERELEASE) 3. cd /usr/src; make buildworld; make buildkernel (The generic kernel) 4. tarball /usr/obj 5. finish installing world/kern using the standard protocol. 6. test your apps and tweak your test servers settings to your liking, when you've got everything to your liking... 7. copy over your custom kernel from a production server and merge the changes with the new 6.1 generic kernel to make a new custom kernel. 8. build this kernel: cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf; config KERNFILE; cd ../compile/KERNFILE; make cleandepend; make depend; make 9. tarball the kernel build directory /usr/src/sys/i386/compile/KERNFILE 10. copy over to one of the lesser used / non critical production servers the two tarball files and expand them. 11. finish the standard buildworld/kern starting at make installkernel 12 test the system. 13. cd /usr/src/sys/i386/compile/KERNFILE; make install; reboot 14. now use this production server as your new test system. copy over from the old test system the /usr/src and /usr/ports directory and any other stuff you need, like the custom kernel config file etc. 15. cd /usr/src; nice +20 make KERNCONF=KERNFILE buildkernel 16. tarball /usr/obj 17. copy this to all the servers 18. finish the standard buildworld/kern starting at make installkernel etc. don't forget to build and/or rebuild all the new ports into packages to install on the servers sorry, I don't have time to finish editing this message so this will have to do, got to run... -- BSD Podcasts @ http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Upgrading FreeBSD 5.4 to 6.0 via CVS
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upgrading FreeBSD
I was wondering if it is possible to upgrade from FreeBSD 3.2 to 5.3 without doing a fresh install, and if possible what issues might I have. Thanks Greg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrading FreeBSD
I was wondering if it is possible to upgrade from FreeBSD 3.2 to 5.3 without doing a fresh install, and if possible what issues might I have. It might be possible, but it may be less effort to just do the fresh install. You would have to do several stages of upgrades. I don't know anyone who is saying it can be done in one fell swoop as just an upgrade. jerry Thanks Greg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrading FreeBSD
On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 10:13:11AM -0500, Greg Foster wrote: I was wondering if it is possible to upgrade from FreeBSD 3.2 to 5.3 without doing a fresh install, and if possible what issues might I have. Possible: Yes. Recommended: Absolutely not! You will almost certainly have to do it in several steps. The sequence 3.2 - 3.5.1 3.5.1 - 4.1 4.1 - 4.11 4.11 - 5.3 *should* work, but no guarantees. Remember to read /usr/src/UPDATING very carefully before each step - most problems that you *will* encounter are documented there. The sequence backup all data make a fresh install of 5.3 restore data from backup will almost certainly be quicker, simpler, and less prone to catastrophic failure. (Making a backup of all important data is a *very* good idea anyway.) -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrading FreeBSD
On 02 Feb Erik Trulsson wrote: The sequence backup all data make a fresh install of 5.3 restore data from backup will almost certainly be quicker, simpler, and less prone to catastrophic failure. (Making a backup of all important data is a *very* good idea anyway.) You're so right ;-) Main problem (at least to me) is almost everytime *what* is important data and what is not? I don't mean my personal stuff (that's the easy part), but more, which control files and (fine) tunings on the running system do I not want to loose? /etc and /usr/local/etc are very important data dirs, but what others are too? -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrading FreeBSD
Dick Hoogendijk wrote: [ ... ] You're so right ;-) Main problem (at least to me) is almost everytime *what* is important data and what is not? I don't mean my personal stuff (that's the easy part), but more, which control files and (fine) tunings on the running system do I not want to loose? /etc and /usr/local/etc are very important data dirs, but what others are too? You should backup all of your data, and stop worrying about missing something, rather than backup only some data and hope not to find out later that you didn't backup something you needed. -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrading FreeBSD
On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 04:49:23PM +0100, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: You're so right ;-) Main problem (at least to me) is almost everytime *what* is important data and what is not? I don't mean my personal stuff (that's the easy part), but more, which control files and (fine) tunings on the running system do I not want to loose? /etc and /usr/local/etc are very important data dirs, but what others are too? Save everything, just to be sure. The following strategy has helped me to keep track of run-control files: In my home-directory, I've created a directory named setup. If I want to change one of the run-control files, the first thing I do is make a copy of that file in ~/setup (or a relevant subdirectory), where I check the unmodified version in rcs(1) with ci(1). Next I check out the files (with co(1)), make the changes I want and check them in again. The last step is to copy the modified run-control file back where it belongs. This way you'll have a single point where all changed run-control files are stored, and thanks to RCS you can even easily see what the changes were between versions. Roland -- R.F. Smith /\ASCII Ribbon Campaign r s m i t h @ x s 4 a l l . n l \ /No HTML/RTF in e-mail http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ X No Word docs in e-mail public key: http://www.keyserver.net / \Respect for open standards pgpuTre11hA6v.pgp Description: PGP signature
upgrading FreeBSD
We currently have FreeBSD but we're running out of hard disk space. How can we get a larger hard disk? Is it possible to put the old hard disk info on the new hard disk? Also, should we upgrade our software to your newer release? Ours is 5 years old. Our office is located in southern New Jersey (just outside of Philadelphia). Is there anyone in the area who can help us out with this. Thank you. Mike Tacknoff 609-820-6656 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrading FreeBSD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We currently have FreeBSD but we're running out of hard disk space. How can we get a larger hard disk? Most people buy a larger hard drive from a computer store, but YMMV. :-) Look at a yellow pages for a local CompUSA or see www.pricewatch.com for one site which provides price quotes. You will almost certainly get better prices if you go online. Is it possible to put the old hard disk info on the new hard disk? Sure. FreeBSD comes with software like dump and tar which can backup and restore your data from one drive to the other. Also, should we upgrade our software to your newer release? Ours is 5 years old. If nobody has installed any software updates on the system in five years, then yes, you probably should upgrade to a more recent version. It would be interesting to provide a description of your hardware and uname -a. Our office is located in southern New Jersey (just outside of Philadelphia). Is there anyone in the area who can help us out with this. I'd imagine you could find someone in your region to provide FreeBSD sysadmin support on a consulting basis... -- -Chuck ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 11:41:15PM +0200, Roman Kennke wrote: Hi list, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), over network. This may or may not be an option for you: both IBM and HP (Compaq) offer remote supervisor cards that offer network access to the machine, even when it is booting, etc. You can use it to access the BIOS, watch the machine boot, get into single user mode, etc, all from your chair in another city. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
Are these supervisor cards unique to IBM HP? Can the card be bought separately and will they work on generic motherboard? Do you have URL for info on these supervisor cards? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Pauly Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 1:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 11:41:15PM +0200, Roman Kennke wrote: Hi list, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), over network. This may or may not be an option for you: both IBM and HP (Compaq) offer remote supervisor cards that offer network access to the machine, even when it is booting, etc. You can use it to access the BIOS, watch the machine boot, get into single user mode, etc, all from your chair in another city. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 01:54:26PM -0400, JJB wrote: Are these supervisor cards unique to IBM HP? Can the card be bought separately and will they work on generic motherboard? Do you have URL for info on these supervisor cards? They are unique to each manufacturer. I am not aware of a generic one. We currently use IBM's. Just google for IBM remote supervisor II. The IBM can even be accessed via a web browser (with password security obviously). I'm not up-to-date on the Compaq's. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Peter Pauly wrote: On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 01:54:26PM -0400, JJB wrote: Are these supervisor cards unique to IBM HP? Can the card be bought separately and will they work on generic motherboard? Do you have URL for info on these supervisor cards? They are unique to each manufacturer. I am not aware of a generic one. We currently use IBM's. Just google for IBM remote supervisor II. The IBM can even be accessed via a web browser (with password security obviously). I'm not up-to-date on the Compaq's. the Compaq (new HP) one is called remote insight light out edition II a quick google should find the relevent URL I'd be supprised if it works in non Compaq/HP servers though. (meant to try it but we dont have any at my current workplace :( ) some more modern Compaq/HP servers have them intergrated. one nice feature I like is the Virtual floppy drive. if you realy needed to you could (in theory, never tried it) install any OS that supports floppy based installs without having to go near the machine if the light out board had the right network settings. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
Of course you wouldn't want to upgrade from 5.1 to 5.2 remotely. You have to fix things between these two releases in single user. In my case, the userland wouldn't completely install. I had to manually copy files from the build directory to their locations on the file system in order to get this to work. Not all the files, but enough to get the install to work. You can pull this off on the 4.x tree without a hitch. I did upgrades from 4.7 to 4.8 to 4.8 stable to 4.9 release remotely on a machine without a problem. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
Ok, thank you all for response. As far as I see things now, the best way to upgrade from one stable release to the next is via source upgrade. Configuration files probably need some attention, because mergemaster cannot be run remotely. Upgrading from one major release to the next (4.x - 5.x) is practically not possible remotely, or at least _very_ difficult. Upgrade problems like the statd issue will not occur with stable branches. There is no other good way to upgrade remotely, is it? What about old files from the previous release? Will these be deleted properly with source upgrade? I've heard of occasional problems with old libraries lying around. Are there any efforts to improve the software managment in the base system? NetBSD for instance has once started a system-pkgsrc project (but does not seem to continue this), which I think is a great idea. Managing the system software with pkg_add and friends would be nice IMO. /Roman signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
Hi list, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), over network. I mean, I have a server running, to which I have no physical access. The only way to maintain it, is over SSH. The upgrade instructions in INSTALL.txt suggest putting in the CD, and using sysinstall for a binary upgrade. That is no option for me. What I am looking for is an upgrade method which - can be used over an SSH connection - is not too difficult (like manually placing each piece in the right place) - does not leave old stuff on the HD (like the sysinstall method does, AFAIK) ... to make it short, something like the ports system (especially portupgrade) does with non-system apps would be cool. Is there a way to achieve that? This would be the one bit, which would make me switch to FreeBSD. /Roman signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
Hey Roman, Roman Kennke wrote: Hi list, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), over network. I mean, I have a server running, to which I have no physical access. The only way to maintain it, is over SSH. The upgrade instructions in INSTALL.txt suggest putting in the CD, and using sysinstall for a binary upgrade. That is no option for me. What I am looking for is an upgrade method which - can be used over an SSH connection - is not too difficult (like manually placing each piece in the right place) - does not leave old stuff on the HD (like the sysinstall method does, AFAIK) ... to make it short, something like the ports system (especially portupgrade) does with non-system apps would be cool. I use CVSup to update my system and then rebuild as described in the /usr/src/Makefile file, (yeah yeah there is a UPDATING file on should follow), the only thing that i am not doing, since i dont have physical access as well, is boot into single user mode and run mergemaster, mostly i am keen of knowing what changes , so far on my 5.x servers there weren't any issue's requiring mergemaster to run. Apart from that i updated my systems many times, without being in single user mode, with an ssh connection. Hope this helps a bit.. ow yeah /usr/ports/net/cvsup-without-gui is where the cvsup lives :) Cheers Is there a way to achieve that? This would be the one bit, which would make me switch to FreeBSD. /Roman -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
On Sunday 06 June 2004 02:44 pm, Remko Lodder wrote: Hey Roman, Roman Kennke wrote: Hi list, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), over network. I mean, I have a server running, to which I have no physical access. The only way to maintain it, is over SSH. The upgrade instructions in INSTALL.txt suggest putting in the CD, and using sysinstall for a binary upgrade. That is no option for me. What I am looking for is an upgrade method which - can be used over an SSH connection - is not too difficult (like manually placing each piece in the right place) - does not leave old stuff on the HD (like the sysinstall method does, AFAIK) ... to make it short, something like the ports system (especially portupgrade) does with non-system apps would be cool. I use CVSup to update my system and then rebuild as described in the /usr/src/Makefile file, (yeah yeah there is a UPDATING file on should follow), the only thing that i am not doing, since i dont have physical access as well, is boot into single user mode and run mergemaster, mostly i am keen of knowing what changes , so far on my 5.x servers there weren't any issue's requiring mergemaster to run. Apart from that i updated my systems many times, without being in single user mode, with an ssh connection. This doesn't work on the upgrade to 5.2 from 5.1. You have to boot into single user mode to do the installworld. You have incompatible features at this upgrade. Kent Hope this helps a bit.. ow yeah /usr/ports/net/cvsup-without-gui is where the cvsup lives :) Cheers Is there a way to achieve that? This would be the one bit, which would make me switch to FreeBSD. /Roman -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
Hi, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), .. Apart from that i updated my systems many times, without being in single user mode, with an ssh connection. This doesn't work on the upgrade to 5.2 from 5.1. You have to boot into single user mode to do the installworld. You have incompatible features at this upgrade. Exactly these kinds of hassles I don't want. I am wondering - FreeBSD has built such a nice thing like the ports system. It's a work of genius. Only that the install/upgrade process of the system itself is completely different (and not very convenient IMO). Is it not possible to 'port' the System stuff into the ports system (or a different ports system, say, the 'system ports' or something like that). Just an idea. Ok, are there other ways? Isn't there a script, which places the new archives over the old ones, and removes the stuff, that's left from the old system? Or is this a too-difficult task? /Roman signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
On Sunday 06 June 2004 02:55 pm, Roman Kennke wrote: Hi, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), .. Apart from that i updated my systems many times, without being in single user mode, with an ssh connection. This doesn't work on the upgrade to 5.2 from 5.1. You have to boot into single user mode to do the installworld. You have incompatible features at this upgrade. Exactly these kinds of hassles I don't want. I am wondering - FreeBSD has built such a nice thing like the ports system. It's a work of genius. Only that the install/upgrade process of the system itself is completely different (and not very convenient IMO). Is it not possible to 'port' the System stuff into the ports system (or a different ports system, say, the 'system ports' or something like that). Just an idea. Ok, are there other ways? Isn't there a script, which places the new archives over the old ones, and removes the stuff, that's left from the old system? Or is this a too-difficult task? The problem with 5.1 5.2 is called statfs. See, /usr/src/UPDATING. It will run with a new kernel and not the old kernel. If you do an installworld before you do an installkernel, you have to use the fixit CD to fix it. For a while, they thought you had to do a clean install. I have no idea what happens if you boot to a 5.2 kernel with a 5.1 userland. The ports are entirely different because they don't deal with basic things such as fs'es. Somewhere in the 5.2 chain is the port problem with pthreads. You can count on rebuilding all of your ports that use pthreads. Portupgrade does a lot of what you talk about but I always use puf and it avoids moving the libraries in to the compat directory. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
Am Mo, den 07.06.2004 schrieb Kent Stewart um 0:03: On Sunday 06 June 2004 02:55 pm, Roman Kennke wrote: Hi, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), .. Apart from that i updated my systems many times, without being in single user mode, with an ssh connection. This doesn't work on the upgrade to 5.2 from 5.1. You have to boot into single user mode to do the installworld. You have incompatible features at this upgrade. Exactly these kinds of hassles I don't want. I am wondering - FreeBSD has built such a nice thing like the ports system. It's a work of genius. Only that the install/upgrade process of the system itself is completely different (and not very convenient IMO). Is it not possible to 'port' the System stuff into the ports system (or a different ports system, say, the 'system ports' or something like that). Just an idea. Ok, are there other ways? Isn't there a script, which places the new archives over the old ones, and removes the stuff, that's left from the old system? Or is this a too-difficult task? The problem with 5.1 5.2 is called statfs. See, /usr/src/UPDATING. It will run with a new kernel and not the old kernel. If you do an installworld before you do an installkernel, you have to use the fixit CD to fix it. For a while, they thought you had to do a clean install. Ugly. I am not too familiar with the internals of FreeBSD. But I really think, that in the long run, FreeBSD must have a more clever software managment for the system stuff. Something like 'apt-get dist-upgrade' comes to mind, or 'emerge -Ud world'. It should be possible to track what changes from one point release to the next one, and do most of the upgrade stuff automatically (excluding most configuration) and without a CD. Rebuilding the ports tree stuff after the upgrade is not the problem (because this is already managed in a very good way). All I want is not reinstalling the system after every few releases. The FreeBSD team should care about an possibility to easily upgrade from at least one point release to another. Only my suggestion. Best regards, Roman signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
RE: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
The source upgrade is not the problem, it's when on those rare times that system configuration file statements are added or changed that requiring mergemaster to run. There is no way around that condition when that happens. The 5.1 to 5.2 case is special just because 5.x is development branch. You would not see this in stable branch upgrades. Now I think I read about an case where an person had two remote headless systems and he set each one up with an serial console to the other system. So he could have ssh session to box A which had serial console connection to box B that he then could put box B into single user mode to do mergemaster and return back to multi user mode. Then he would use ssh session to box B who had serial console connection to box A and do same thing to box A. So there is an way around your remote problem as long as you have two boxes at same remote location. You know the real simple solution is to do your upgrade to local box and remove hard disk and ship it to remote location and have short downtime while hard drives are swapped. All ways have an single IDE drive just for your operation system separate from your data drives. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kent Stewart Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 5:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Remko Lodder; Roman Kennke Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release On Sunday 06 June 2004 02:44 pm, Remko Lodder wrote: Hey Roman, Roman Kennke wrote: Hi list, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), over network. I mean, I have a server running, to which I have no physical access. The only way to maintain it, is over SSH. The upgrade instructions in INSTALL.txt suggest putting in the CD, and using sysinstall for a binary upgrade. That is no option for me. What I am looking for is an upgrade method which - can be used over an SSH connection - is not too difficult (like manually placing each piece in the right place) - does not leave old stuff on the HD (like the sysinstall method does, AFAIK) ... to make it short, something like the ports system (especially portupgrade) does with non-system apps would be cool. I use CVSup to update my system and then rebuild as described in the /usr/src/Makefile file, (yeah yeah there is a UPDATING file on should follow), the only thing that i am not doing, since i dont have physical access as well, is boot into single user mode and run mergemaster, mostly i am keen of knowing what changes , so far on my 5.x servers there weren't any issue's requiring mergemaster to run. Apart from that i updated my systems many times, without being in single user mode, with an ssh connection. This doesn't work on the upgrade to 5.2 from 5.1. You have to boot into single user mode to do the installworld. You have incompatible features at this upgrade. Kent Hope this helps a bit.. ow yeah /usr/ports/net/cvsup-without-gui is where the cvsup lives :) Cheers Is there a way to achieve that? This would be the one bit, which would make me switch to FreeBSD. /Roman -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Roman Kennke wrote: All I want is not reinstalling the system after every few releases. The FreeBSD team should care about an possibility to easily upgrade from at least one point release to another. Only my suggestion. Have you read the Handbook chapter called The Cutting Edge? It describes the standard method of updating the system via source. Not a difficult process, although it can be time-consuming. It works; one of my servers started at 4.1, and is now running 4.10. Problems arise when you switch branches (4.x to 5.x), and apparently there have been difficulties in the 5.x branch. But 5.x is not a release version yet, so that's to be expected. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
Roman Kennke writes: All I want is not reinstalling the system after every few releases. My first installation of FreeBSD was 2.0.5. Since then I have done a clean install for x.0 releases - as a matter of policy (excuse to upgrade hardware, plus it cleans out orphaned files) but not necessity. (Or am I not remembering a red flag day between 2.x and 3.0?) Between .0s, I have successfully upgraded using the method described in the handbook. These days I'm more worried about a port upgrade trashing a config file. Have I had problems? Yes. All of them turned out to be hardware-related or me doing something stupid that broke the process. Robert huff ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004, Roman Kennke wrote: Hi list, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), over network. I mean, I have a server running, to which I have no physical access. The only way to maintain it, is over SSH. The upgrade instructions in INSTALL.txt suggest putting in the CD, and using sysinstall for a binary upgrade. That is no option for me. What I am looking for is an upgrade method which - can be used over an SSH connection - is not too difficult (like manually placing each piece in the right place) - does not leave old stuff on the HD (like the sysinstall method does, AFAIK) Generally this can be done (though it is not recommended) the way that is described in Chapter 21 of the handbook - you just don't drop into single user mode. But you shouldn't track -CURRENT then, since -CURRENT developers tend to produce some horrible bugs every two or three months. Do test this upgrade procedure on a local machine, so you know how things work. ... to make it short, something like the ports system (especially portupgrade) does with non-system apps would be cool. Is there a way to achieve that? This would be the one bit, which would make me switch to FreeBSD. I am convinced you will. Uli. /Roman +---+ |Peter Ulrich Kruppa| | Wuppertal | | Germany | +---+ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 3.5
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 02:33:34AM -0500, Crucial Servers wrote: Hi, I need some advice on steps for upgrading a very valueble machine. This machine has an uptime of 393 days. I need to install a secure version of curl this is our main focus right now. FreeBSD 3.5 ports collection is very b0rked and nothing works, I tried downloading the cvsup source and installing it, but now it cant find m3build. Secured version of curl? I don't know what you mean by that, but on a networked 3.5 system an insecure ftp/www client is the least of your security worries! My main focus is getting this OS to 4.9-STABLE the SAFE way and Yes its a contracted machine so its remote. I know there is going to be tons of b0rked programs when I'm all said and done. Can someone please explain how to tackle this animal slowly, I was thinking 4.0 then 4.5 then 4.9. Do you have a serial console installed? If so, you can just do a binary upgrade install instead of messing around trying to compile the sources. Make sure you do a complete system backup before you begin, of course. Kris pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 3.5
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 02:33:34 -0500 Crucial Servers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I need some advice on steps for upgrading a very valueble machine. This machine has an uptime of 393 days. I need to install a secure version of curl this is our main focus right now. FreeBSD 3.5 ports collection is very b0rked and nothing works, I tried downloading the cvsup source and installing it, but now it cant find m3build. My main focus is getting this OS to 4.9-STABLE the SAFE way and Yes its a contracted machine so its remote. I know there is going to be tons of b0rked programs when I'm all said and done. Can someone please explain how to tackle this animal slowly, I was thinking 4.0 then 4.5 then 4.9. If I can avoid this all together and install a secured version of curl it would be appreaciated. I really cant find the source anywhere. No clue what it would take to cvsup that... but what I would do is throw together a 4stable install together on another similar box and take care of all the tweakings, data importing, and ect. Then when that machines scheduled downtime/maintance/whatever arrivces swap out either the drive or the entire machine. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 3.5
I wish this was an option for me but the contracted machine is in CW's network operation center, not mine. I have no access to there machine besides remote root. James - Original Message - From: Vulpes Velox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Crucial Servers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:37 AM Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 3.5 On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 02:33:34 -0500 Crucial Servers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I need some advice on steps for upgrading a very valueble machine. This machine has an uptime of 393 days. I need to install a secure version of curl this is our main focus right now. FreeBSD 3.5 ports collection is very b0rked and nothing works, I tried downloading the cvsup source and installing it, but now it cant find m3build. My main focus is getting this OS to 4.9-STABLE the SAFE way and Yes its a contracted machine so its remote. I know there is going to be tons of b0rked programs when I'm all said and done. Can someone please explain how to tackle this animal slowly, I was thinking 4.0 then 4.5 then 4.9. If I can avoid this all together and install a secured version of curl it would be appreaciated. I really cant find the source anywhere. No clue what it would take to cvsup that... but what I would do is throw together a 4stable install together on another similar box and take care of all the tweakings, data importing, and ect. Then when that machines scheduled downtime/maintance/whatever arrivces swap out either the drive or the entire machine. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 3.5
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 03:06:19PM -0500, Crucial Servers wrote: I wish this was an option for me but the contracted machine is in CW's network operation center, not mine. I have no access to there machine besides remote root. It's going to be pretty dangerous to update, then. You need some kind of fallback option when things go wrong - a remote serial console would be best. At the very least, set up an identical system locally that you can practise on. Kris pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Upgrading FreeBSD 3.5
Hi, I need some advice on steps for upgrading a very valueble machine. This machine has an uptime of 393 days. I need to install a secure version of curl this is our main focus right now. FreeBSD 3.5 ports collection is very b0rked and nothing works, I tried downloading the cvsup source and installing it, but now it cant find m3build. My main focus is getting this OS to 4.9-STABLE the SAFE way and Yes its a contracted machine so its remote. I know there is going to be tons of b0rked programs when I'm all said and done. Can someone please explain how to tackle this animal slowly, I was thinking 4.0 then 4.5 then 4.9. If I can avoid this all together and install a secured version of curl it would be appreaciated. I really cant find the source anywhere. James Thomas Chief Executive Officer Direct Line: 603-670-4008 General Line: 603-944-0823 Crucial Servers How crucial is your network www.crucialservers.net ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD.
Hello, mergemaster will take care of /etc. But how about the other configuration files?, Could you please tell me where i can find proper documentation for upgrading freebsd4.5 to 4.8. Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 08:13:59AM -0700, Naveen Glore wrote: Hello all, I have a freeBSD 4.5-Release server. I could not find any packages available for 4.5 version at freebsd ftp site. So i decided to upgrade it to FreeBSD 4.8-Release. Can i upgrade the server without any change in its current configuration. There are always changes to the configuration files in /etc as part of the ongoing development of FreeBSD. One of the upgrade steps is to run the mergemaster utility, which lets you merge in these changes into your existing configuration files. Please read the associated documentation, and remember to make a full backup before attempting any upgrades. Kris ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello all, I have a freeBSD 4.5-Release server. I could not find any packages available for 4.5 version at freebsd ftp site. So i decided to upgrade it to FreeBSD 4.8-Release. Can i upgrade the server without any change in its current configuration. Thanks, Naveen. - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD.
Hi, I have a freeBSD 4.5-Release server. I could not find any packages available for 4.5 version at freebsd ftp site. So i decided to upgrade it to FreeBSD 4.8-Release. Can i upgrade the server without any change in its current configuration. Since you did not post your current configuration, it is difficult to guess which services etc. you are running. If you are thinking of applications from packages/ports, then everything should be you fine with them, since they are not affected by an upgrade. On the other hand, the step from 4.5 to 4.8 is quite large, so you should keep good backup just in case anything gets messed. There are also quite a lot of changes to the base system's configuration files, should you should read /usr/src/UPDATING _very_ carefully and be carefull at the mergemaster step (I am assuming you are planning a source upgrade to RELENG_4_8, a.k.a security branch of FreeBSD 4.8). If you want to do a binary update, I must admit that I have no experience with that -- perhaps someone else can share his one with us. Regards, Simon signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD.
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 08:13:59AM -0700, Naveen Glore wrote: Hello all, I have a freeBSD 4.5-Release server. I could not find any packages available for 4.5 version at freebsd ftp site. So i decided to upgrade it to FreeBSD 4.8-Release. Can i upgrade the server without any change in its current configuration. There are always changes to the configuration files in /etc as part of the ongoing development of FreeBSD. One of the upgrade steps is to run the mergemaster utility, which lets you merge in these changes into your existing configuration files. Please read the associated documentation, and remember to make a full backup before attempting any upgrades. Kris pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD and XFree86
On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 08:46:28PM -0500, Alvaro Gil wrote: I am trying to get a GeForce 2 MX 400 to work properly on FreeBSD 4.7. A few requirements for the nvidia drivers are... (yes the nv driver works, but it does not support TV out on X) Upgrade to FreeBSD 4.7 STABLE or newer. Upgrade to XFree86 4.2.1_3 server and 4.2.1 binaries or newer. Here are a few simple questions... (1) How do I know if I successfully upgraded to 4.7-STABLE? Use the command: uname -a to see what version of FreeBSD you're running. After I upgraded(downloaded 4.7-STABLE sources using cvsup and chapter 21 instructions), I rebooted and it still said 4.7-RELEASE on startup. What's up with this? Is this really still 4.7 RELEASE?? Or could a mistake in mergemaster have kept this text? Hmmm... Did you perhaps get the RELENG_4_7 sources (that would give you version 4.7-RELEASE-p2 at the moment) rather than the RELENG_4 sources (which gives you 4.7-STABLE)? Take a look at /usr/src/UPDATING --- the first line or so of that file should indicate what variant you've cvsup'd. (2) How do I go about updating to the latest and greatest XFree86? I used cvsup to update the ports collection, but when i started up X 4.2.1.1 flashed up before it started. How do I check what version of XFree86 is installed and what is the correct way of updating it? pkg_info -I XFree86\* will show you what versions of the XFree86 packages you have installed. pkg_version -v -s XFree86 will tell you if any of your installed ports/packages are out of date with respect to the /usr/ports tree on your system. The best and least painless way of updating something like X windows is to install and use portupgrade(1): you need to get the XFree86 package dependencies right, which can be tricky, but which portupgrade will handle automatically for you. Also, I am able to boot into X with this driver but after a while it crashes the entire system. Anyone running the nvidia driver with success? Works for me. Note that you should reinstall the nvidia stuff after reinstalling the XFree86-libraries package, as they both claim /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a and /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 and each overwrites the other's version of those files. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Upgrading FreeBSD and XFree86
I am trying to get a GeForce 2 MX 400 to work properly on FreeBSD 4.7. A few requirements for the nvidia drivers are... (yes the nv driver works, but it does not support TV out on X) Upgrade to FreeBSD 4.7 STABLE or newer. Upgrade to XFree86 4.2.1_3 server and 4.2.1 binaries or newer. Here are a few simple questions... (1) How do I know if I successfully upgraded to 4.7-STABLE? After I upgraded(downloaded 4.7-STABLE sources using cvsup and chapter 21 instructions), I rebooted and it still said 4.7-RELEASE on startup. What's up with this? Is this really still 4.7 RELEASE?? Or could a mistake in mergemaster have kept this text? (2) How do I go about updating to the latest and greatest XFree86? I used cvsup to update the ports collection, but when i started up X 4.2.1.1 flashed up before it started. How do I check what version of XFree86 is installed and what is the correct way of updating it? Thanks. Also, I am able to boot into X with this driver but after a while it crashes the entire system. Anyone running the nvidia driver with success? -- Alvaro Gil http://www.AlvaroGil.com '84 Volvo 242 Turbo (Silver) 15 psi '97 Leopard Gecko (White, Yellow, Black) NJIT Mechanical Engineering Student To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
upgrading freebsd 4.5 to 4.7 with adaptec 2100s raid controller
Has anyone got a 2100s raid controller installed on a freebsd system. I have got it working fine on freebsd 4.5 but when I try to upgrade to 4.7 the os no longer recognises it as a boot device and I have to boot off /kernel.old. My upgrade procedure is as follows, but it dies on the init 6. Any help would really be appreciated: # cd /usr/src # cvsup supfile # make buildworld make buildkernel KERNCONF=X330-SMP # make installkernel KERNCONF=X330-SMP # init 6 # init 1 # mount -u / # make the root filesystem updatable # mount -a# mount the other filesystems # cd /usr/src # make installworld # mergemaster To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2002-11-23 18:23:05 -0900: I'm learning how the FreeBSD upgrade process works. I've got cvsup working and can grabe 4-stable. What I don't understand is the ports tree. Does it get updated when I do make buildworld etc...? no. it gets updated when you update it. how that is done depends on details of your setup: you can either run cvsup with the right supfile by hand, or you can have your ports tree updated by issuing make update in /usr/ports or /usr/src (this is how I do it). look in /etc/defaults/make.conf for details. -- If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore your message.see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Upgrading FreeBSD
I'm learning how the FreeBSD upgrade process works. I've got cvsup working and can grabe 4-stable. What I don't understand is the ports tree. Does it get updated when I do make buildworld etc...? To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD
I'm learning how the FreeBSD upgrade process works. I've got cvsup working and can grabe 4-stable. What I don't understand is the ports tree. Does it get updated when I do make buildworld etc...? Nope. Look for a file ports-supfile on your system. You can make a copy e.g. to /root and then run it with # pkg_add -r cvsup-without-gui # cvsup ports-supfile Be sure to install the Port portupgrade and read it's manpage. It is a great tool! # pkg_add -r portupgrade With portupgrade you can even upgrade all ports at once: # portupgrade -rRPv \* Have fun! P.S.: Chapter 4 of the FreeBSD handbook. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
