Re: [Freedos-user] Problem running a DOS game requiring EMS inside of VirtualBox

2012-09-18 Thread Louis Santillan
I verified the game won't run with 64M, 32M, 16M. They all fail with the EMS error. Added LOAD to the JEMMEX line as well. No positive effect. Host is an Apple Mac Mini 2.3GHz C2D with 16GB RAM running the latest Virtual Box 4.2. The VM is configured with VT-X. *If* you're interested, you

Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?

2012-09-18 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! Maybe unlike the old ms dos, freedos lets you access fat 32 file systems could be extended into: unlike the old ms dos, freedos lets you access fat 32 file systems, a feature which ms only offered bundled with windows 95 and newer or a bit less extended: unlike the old ms dos*, freedos

[Freedos-user] my account has been compromised, please watch out for false content!

2012-09-18 Thread Mark Brown
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Re: [Freedos-user] Problem running a DOS game requiring EMS inside of VirtualBox

2012-09-18 Thread Bret Johnson
Are you absolutely sure there are no errors when when you are installing the EMM? What screen messages do you get when it is loading? I'm guessing what may be happening is that you have enough poorly placed (virtual) hardware ROM modules that the EMM can't find a contiguous 64k block of upper

Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?

2012-09-18 Thread Bret Johnson
Perhaps just semantics, but I never considered Windows 9x to be Operating Systems -- I consider them to be Operating Environments just like the previous versions of Windows call themselves (3.x earlier). Windows 9x isn't conceptually much different than GEM or GEOS or similar DOS applications

Re: [Freedos-user] Problem running a DOS game requiring EMS inside of VirtualBox

2012-09-18 Thread Louis Santillan
There's only 13K upper mem free according to mem/c. I believe it is in one block. And, iirc, all that most apps need is to be able to swap a 4k page at a time. My guess is that jemmex doesn't implement ems in a way that fps fbpro expects which is why it finds 0k free ems. I'm using the same

Re: [Freedos-user] Problem running a DOS game requiring EMS inside of VirtualBox

2012-09-18 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 10:10 AM 9/18/2012, Louis Santillan wrote: There's only 13K upper mem free according to mem/c. I believe it is in one block. And, iirc, all that most apps need is to be able to swap a 4k page at a time. My guess is that jemmex doesn't implement ems in a way that fps fbpro expects which is

[Freedos-user] FreeDOS Boot Disc

2012-09-18 Thread Ricardus Vincente
OK, a friend had a box of new, still sealed floppies, and I was successful making a boot disc. http://imagebin.org/228865 I am an official idiot because I forgot that I had another old machine laying around with a 3.5 inch floppy on it. The power supply has some bad capacitors, and it's really

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Boot Disc

2012-09-18 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Ricardus Vincente wizardofg...@gmail.com wrote: Would someone please remind me about why there isn't a boot floppy image in the FreeDOS web site that actually has FreeDOS on it? Seems like it would be a really easy thing to do, and for that small

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Boot Disc

2012-09-18 Thread Mateusz Viste
On 09/18/2012 09:11 PM, Rugxulo wrote: 4). There ARE floppy images, as mentioned, just slightly moldy. Most of us make do with old stuff and manually install. :o) http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/balder/balder10.img

Re: [Freedos-user] Problem running a DOS game requiring EMS inside of VirtualBox

2012-09-18 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Ralf A. Quint free...@gmx.net wrote: At 10:10 AM 9/18/2012, Louis Santillan wrote: There's only 13K upper mem free according to mem/c. I believe it is in one block. And, iirc, all that most apps need is to be able to swap a 4k page at a time. My guess is

Re: [Freedos-user] my account has been compromised, please watch out for false content!

2012-09-18 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:22 AM, Mark Brown eufdp...@yahoo.com wrote: my account has been compromised, please watch out for false content! I think a lot of Yahoo! accounts got hacked recently. Dunno more beyond that, sorry. I got actual spam from two real friends / people / correspondents

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Boot Disc

2012-09-18 Thread Ricardus Vincente
On Tue, 2012-09-18 at 14:11 -0500, Rugxulo wrote: Then link to the sites that have reliable boot images this way people don't have to spend too much time looking. Rich... Hi, On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Ricardus Vincente wizardofg...@gmail.com wrote: Would someone please remind

Re: [Freedos-user] Survey of available DOSes

2012-09-18 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:24 PM, cordat...@aol.com wrote: The talk about different versions of DOS reminds me that I've been doing research recently about which DOS operating systems are available. Here is how I see it: FreeDOS MS-DOS 6.22 Win9x (MS-DOS 7.1) DR-DOS 7.03 Enhanced

Re: [Freedos-user] my account has been compromised, please watch out for false content!

2012-09-18 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:22 AM, Mark Brown eufdp...@yahoo.com wrote: my account has been compromised, please watch out for false content! I think a lot of Yahoo! accounts got hacked recently. Dunno more They did. beyond

Re: [Freedos-user] Survey of available DOSes

2012-09-18 Thread C. Masloch
* DOSBox ... sure, it's only for games and is really its own fake DOS, but it sorta works and is free/libre, popular, and easy to find binaries. I wouldn't specifically include DOSEMU because it needs a real DOS, DOSBox can also boot an actual DOS version (like dosemu always does), which

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Boot Disc

2012-09-18 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Ricardus Vincente wizardofg...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2012-09-18 at 14:11 -0500, Rugxulo wrote: Then link to the sites that have reliable boot images this way people don't have to spend too much time looking. Here's another one that sounds promising:

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Boot Disc

2012-09-18 Thread Ricardus Vincente
On Tue, 2012-09-18 at 21:19 +0200, Mateusz Viste wrote: Maybe it would be a good idea to take one of these, and put a link right on the FreeDOS website, in the download section at http://www.freedos.org/download/ with a little note 'if you need to bring alive an old and rusty pc with only

Re: [Freedos-user] Survey of available DOSes

2012-09-18 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:46 PM, C. Masloch c...@bttr-software.de wrote: * DOSBox ... sure, it's only for games and is really its own fake DOS, but it sorta works and is free/libre, popular, and easy to find binaries. I wouldn't specifically include DOSEMU because it needs a real DOS,

Re: [Freedos-user] about lfn...?

2012-09-18 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: indeed they are referring to doslfn, but as I am not sure, I have written to ask just what edition. Also which of freedos. they sent me the line they are loading...thoughts? LH DOSLFN

Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?

2012-09-18 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Ralf A. Quint free...@gmx.net wrote: At 04:48 PM 9/17/2012, Karen Lewellen wrote: Granted, I am a media professional, so facts especially n the Internet are important. the fact is ms dos 7.1 under wind 98 had fat 32, even Dr dos in 99 has it. The fact is

Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?

2012-09-18 Thread C. Masloch
On a semi-related note, I think you can boot Win 3.x inside DOSEMU, DOSBox, etc. Even Mike Chambers' Fake86 can (mostly) boot it. There may even be some experimental support on some of those for booting Win9x, but since that's uninteresting to me, I've never delved deeper. This is irrelevant

Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?

2012-09-18 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:36 PM, C. Masloch c...@bttr-software.de wrote: On a semi-related note, I think you can boot Win 3.x inside DOSEMU, DOSBox, etc. This is irrelevant to DOS compatibility when booting a DOS inside any of them. I was referring mainly to the fact that DOSBox somehow

Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?

2012-09-18 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Bret Johnson bretj...@juno.com wrote: The are only a few practical differences between Windows 9x and similar DOS applications. The first is that Windows 9x comes with a version of DOS that has special enhancements the Windows application requires to

Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?

2012-09-18 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 01:29 PM 9/18/2012, Rugxulo wrote: (I hate legalese, so I dislike bringing this up, but ...) Again, this was purely marketing, not technical, as MS wanted to exclusively bundle their DOS with Windows. With (very creaky) shims, DR-DOS was said to be able to boot Win95 (and proved such in

Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?

2012-09-18 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Ralf A. Quint free...@gmx.net wrote: At 01:29 PM 9/18/2012, Rugxulo wrote: Again, this was purely marketing, not technical, as MS wanted to exclusively bundle their DOS with Windows. With (very creaky) shims, DR-DOS was said to be able to boot Win95 (and

[Freedos-user] Dual boot

2012-09-18 Thread Marcos Favero Florence de Barros
Hi, I have a couple of friends who would like to run DataPerfect databases in their Linux and Windows computers. -- Linux: I tried DosEmu, but could not make it work correctly with the accents (diacritics) of the Portuguese language. Don't know if the problem is keyboard- or

Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?

2012-09-18 Thread C. Masloch
I think it still did use DOS file system calls, but I could be wrong. It circumvented DOS for higher performance if no DOS software was intercepting or handling the FS and block device functions (from DOS Int21 API through DOS block device down to ROM-BIOS Int13 API), at Windows start-up.

Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?

2012-09-18 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 02:25 PM 9/18/2012, Rugxulo wrote: Again, this was purely marketing, not technical, as MS wanted to exclusively bundle their DOS with Windows. With (very creaky) shims, DR-DOS was said to be able to boot Win95 (and proved such in court), Where and when was that? This lawsuit was never

Re: [Freedos-user] Dual boot

2012-09-18 Thread C. Masloch
Is DosEmu actually capable of working with Portuguese diacritics and supporting a standard Brazilian keyboard in the first place? It's probably possible, but it might require configuring dosemu more, or maybe even patching dosemu's source. And if DosEmu can't do it,

Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?

2012-09-18 Thread C. Masloch
Again, this was purely marketing, not technical, as MS wanted to exclusively bundle their DOS with Windows. With (very creaky) shims, DR-DOS was said to be able to boot Win95 (and proved such in court), Where and when was that? This lawsuit was never brought to trial in the first place...

Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?

2012-09-18 Thread Rugxulo
Hi again,:-) On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Ralf A. Quint free...@gmx.net wrote: At 02:25 PM 9/18/2012, Rugxulo wrote: Again, this was purely marketing, not technical, as MS wanted to exclusively bundle their DOS with Windows. With (very creaky) shims, DR-DOS was said to be able to

Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?

2012-09-18 Thread Ricardus Vincente
I think what you're all forgetting is that Apple developed all of this technology, and will be suing all parties involved, very soon. :-) Rich... -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all

Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?

2012-09-18 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:26 PM, C. Masloch c...@bttr-software.de wrote: In x86 Windows NT, 16-bit subsystems known as NTVDM and WOW are enabled by default, but they seem to be separated more clearly from the main (32-bit) system. NT was supposedly designed to be portable (and 32-bit,

Re: [Freedos-user] Dual boot

2012-09-18 Thread Felix Miata
On 2012-09-18 18:32 (GMT-0300) Marcos Favero Florence de Barros composed: And if DosEmu can't do it, would dual boot (Grub) be a good idea? I read the announcement in July that Grub 2.00 supports FreeDOS. So does Grub Legacy, which is much simpler to install, configure

Re: [Freedos-user] Dual boot

2012-09-18 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: Again, would dual boot be a good idea? I've been multibooting about 20 years, with DOS on a 1st HD primary included in most cases. It's really not difficult to set up or use any DOS version via multiboot.

Re: [Freedos-user] Dual boot

2012-09-18 Thread C. Masloch
I read the announcement in July that Grub 2.00 supports FreeDOS. So does Grub Legacy, [...] As opposed to GRUB 2, it additionally needs setting up the correct boot sector file (to be chainloaded from GRUB for loading the kernel), which is possible using FreeDOS's SYS. There's a fork

Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?

2012-09-18 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 03:26 PM 9/18/2012, C. Masloch wrote: Again, this was purely marketing, not technical, as MS wanted to exclusively bundle their DOS with Windows. With (very creaky) shims, DR-DOS was said to be able to boot Win95 (and proved such in court), Where and when was that? This lawsuit was

Re: [Freedos-user] Dual boot

2012-09-18 Thread Felix Miata
On 2012-09-19 00:58 (GMT+0200) C. Masloch composed: I read the announcement in July that Grub 2.00 supports FreeDOS. So does Grub Legacy, [...] As opposed to GRUB 2, it additionally needs setting up the correct boot sector file (to be chainloaded from GRUB for loading the kernel) grub root

Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?

2012-09-18 Thread C. Masloch
Where neither source mentioned that there was anything proved in court, as there was never a trial on that matter. Right, it wasn't. So the rumour part was _only_ the mention of proved in court, which it didn't quite reach. But it isn't a rumour at all that MS-DOS 7 and 8 were unnecessarily

Re: [Freedos-user] Dual boot

2012-09-18 Thread C. Masloch
grub root (hd0,0) grub setup (hd0,0) grub quit Oh so difficult, That also requires the boot sector to /already/ be set up correctly, just in the partition itself this time =) shenanigans, and 5-10 times the HD space sprawled across several directories and/or partitions, required to make

Re: [Freedos-user] Dual boot

2012-09-18 Thread Felix Miata
On 2012-09-19 02:05 (GMT+0200) C. Masloch composed: grub root (hd0,0) grub setup (hd0,0) grub quit Oh so difficult, That also requires the boot sector to /already/ be set up correctly, just in the partition itself this time =) Another toughie: A:\ SYS C: Or, maybe you mean: A:\ FDISK

Re: [Freedos-user] Dual boot

2012-09-18 Thread C. Masloch
A:\ SYS C: [...] A:\ FDISK /MBR Yep, you successfully circumvented GRUB now =P -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and

Re: [Freedos-user] Dual boot

2012-09-18 Thread Felix Miata
On 2012-09-19 02:21 (GMT+0200) C. Masloch composed: A:\ SYS C: [...] A:\ FDISK /MBR Yep, you successfully circumvented GRUB now =P Maybe you should reread what I wrote previously: grub root (hd0,0) grub setup (hd0,0) grub quit Grub doesn't need to be on the MBR, and I never put it