? All of Jakarta is in on it! Jon even!
He's writing a new framework based on
turbine that requires to to view all pages in MS Word. It even
integrates with Jetspeed to create an
MSWordPortal.
-Andy
-Andy
;)
On Thu, 2002-07-18 at 22:10, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
But no one replied to my
What? And lose my 10-minute investment in learning PHP? No way!
Besides, now I can have fun a whole weekend, just changing the name of a
field in the database. My life would seem empty in comparison, if I got to
use those pesky frameworks that do everything for you.
(Never thought one day I
I think this FAQ will encourage the Windows users/developers.
Despite that threat ;-) I'll apply it tomorrow if someone doesn't beat
me to it. Tonight I've
this: http://www.trijug.org/shootoutMeeting.html
I only wish Jon could come and moderate ;-)
-Andy
Best Regards,
Tetsuya.
oops sent this from the wrong account...
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I think this FAQ will encourage the Windows users/developers.
Despite that threat ;-) I'll apply it tomorrow if someone doesn't beat
me to it. Tonight I've
this: http://www.trijug.org/shootoutMeeting.html
I only wish Jon
I'd be more interested to hear statistics on how many people are
California-based versus non-California based. (It would help me with my
research into Apache cultures and cliches ;-) for a paper I'm writing )
On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 08:41, Jeff Turner wrote:
Carnegie Mellon did a survey of ~300
.
Andrew C.
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;-)
On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 23:17, Martin Cooper wrote:
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From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:49 AM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: [Poll result] Committers, who are we?
I'd be more interested
, 05 Oct 2002 02:44:19 +0100
From: Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Poll result] Committers, who are we?
On 4/10/02 14:49, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd be more
While I think there are places that struts could learn a lot from
turbine... Struts has a bit more design cohesion shall we say? Where
turbine is a bit moreorganic in places.
The nice thing about Turbine is that it does favor containment over
inheritance, same thing with Struts (not
Looks like kind of a mickey mouse version of JSP to me... ;-) (I just
couldn't resist...I just couldn't!)
On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 18:08, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 7/10/02 22:01, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While I think there are places that struts could learn a lot from
Right...my problem with JSP isn't its dogged speed its the conceptual
nastiness of it.
%
if (you.have(this).in.your(html)) {
out.println(Andy doesn't think its good);
}
%
-Andy
On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 19:45, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 8/10/02 0:18, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL
Developers: http://adslgateway.multitask.com.au/developers
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/10/2002 09:50:15 AM:
Right...my problem with JSP isn't its dogged speed its the conceptual
nastiness of it.
%
if (you.have(this).in.your(html)) {
out.println(Andy doesn't
I both agree and disagree with you. The trouble is that XSLT syntax is
horrific and some of the specs (for a specific example the XInclude
spec) are bent on violating SoC more than embedding if statements ever
could (having to declare a base url is a greater evil).
There is a production concern
Its too bad that the clans don't play nice together... I'm convinced
together... They could come up with something MUCH MUCH better than this
mess. (provided some GUI wonks could be found) ;-)
(and there is my theme) ;-)
-Andy
On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 10:42, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Andrew C
I think my next hack'd app will be in Velocity rather than JSP. As I
learn more about it I think I find it less disgusting than JSP.
(Although I still don't like it for the previously mentioned reasons)
Even if it ties me to an Apache-proprietary template language, trading
that for something
I disagree with such Java Jingoism. Jon's reasoning sounded pretty good
to me. . Launching several JVMs sucks. And doing all in one is a recipe
for disaster... (crash bang boom)
This is a sucky thing about java. You get a JVM always whether you want
one or not.. to do it in java he needs a
Cool! I'm impressed! I'll have to check that out.
On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 20:12, Daniel Rall wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Even if it ties me to an Apache-proprietary template language, trading
that for something less disgusting than JSP seems preferable.
Note
I knew that was coming.
-dysfunctional Andy
On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 03:36, Bill Barker wrote:
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From: Rich Persaud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:26 PM
Subject: re[2]: Differences between Structs
I answered the first two or three of these that was sent to me (student
studies)... But they seem to be blooming rapidly. One could
hypothesize through the use of some kind of mathematical model that
if one continues to participate they will increase exponentially and
eventually one will
:20, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
I believe they also tried to make a JSR out of it, but got shot down
somewhere in the middle... :-(
Pier
On 9/10/02 13:38, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cool! I'm impressed! I'll have to check that out.
On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 20:12, Daniel
Just goes to show you. A sad comment on software development: The only
thing worse than our still crappy tools for doing things are our crappy
methods of doing them.
-Andy
On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 10:38, Steve Downey wrote:
From Scott Adams
Wally: I recommedend we build a tracking database.
On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 10:39, A. Gunes Koru wrote:
Dear Andy,
First of all, I would prefer to discuss these matters individually not on
the list. However, because you are sending e-mails to the list I need to
write it to the list too.
Then you might have taken my smartassed remarks
Non-english speakers are welcome in the POI project. It is currently
acceptable to even post in native languages provided you
label it as such. Currently we don't have any korean-speaking
committers, but it would be most feasible to have a bilingual person
deal with the only-korean-speaking
structure
a guy/gal could have! - Make Ant simple on complex Projects!
The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to
vote.
-Ambassador Kosh
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On 17 Oct 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 11:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
Just my 2c.. If they have a strong community and meet the
requirements... Cool.
I think I'll go read their mail archives at let you know how much of it
I think is being developed by one guy. (I mean if all of those people
submitted a trivial patch suddenly the day before this proposal was put
! :-) They are only now beginning to take root here.
I'll be there shortly to take a look.
- Original Message -
From: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta
Just
So could someone clarify that for me... We're here to promote community
software developmentas long as they don't overlap? sorry I totally
misunderstood the apache way. (especially with all the overlapping
projects to the contrary)
-Andy
On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 14:29, John McNally wrote:
On
So Tapestry seems to have attracted a healthy following and the
attention of such notables as Marc Fleury (Whom I think is a technically
proficient and thoroughly decent okay guy...and he likes altoids more
than I do):
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=1165034forum_id=7644
Just FYI, you have failed to provide sufficient outside-of-jakarta
marketing. Where I work, lots of people talk about maybe we should use
cactus, and heck there are those who use all sorts of things from the
Java Developers Journal that they have insufficient knowledge and
experience to carry
Thats why one should look at whether it has an existing community... if
it does, question answered. If not...well there is something else.
-Andy
The point is apache had a project with similar ideas and it died. Was
it ahead of its time? Or are there fundamental problems with the
approach
I'm sorry to have insulted you. I was only trying to help. Based on
what you said, the observations I'd had from where I work and what I'd
observed. If my observations were incorrect I apologize.
Hey, your observations may be right and I appreciate your help! ;-)
My strong reaction
, etc. after joining. My opinion is that you should adopt
them, get them working. It has worked the other way I believe, but just
my personal opinion.
-andy
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From: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October
Just FYI, you have failed to provide sufficient outside-of-jakarta
marketing.
Thanks for the information! You know what I like about you? It is the
faith that you have in yourself and in the fact that you know it all...
I'm sorry to have insulted you. I was only trying to help.
Along with POI we got Andrew
Oliver... :)
Oh gosh don't say things like that or we'll never approve new projects
;-)
--Jeff
PS: +1 for adding Tapestry from me btw.
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more credibility there), but that is another story.
Steve Downey wrote:
On Sunday 20 October 2002 02:03 pm, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Release more often, announce the releases. While you may have had
articles published, I've never actually seen one. (I've seen them on
Maven, Tomcat, Velocity
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
This mail list will be closed to committers only, the citizens of the
Apache Software Foundation, and will serve as the place to talk about
the future of the foundation.
Why is this getting forwarded to general when it has already been forwarded
to committers? I'm
you rather read an article about JUnit by
Erich Gamma or John Doe? You should know more about POI than anyone, and are
in a better position to write about how to use it than anyone.
On Tuesday 22 October 2002 11:19 am, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Cool! Suggestions? I have never actually gotten
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
V. Cekvenich wrote:
I would like to see a DB PMC.
IIRC there is one, and it's in the initial phases.
The website is not ready yet http://db.apache.org/.
Wanna help? :-)
Just FYI either [EMAIL PROTECTED] is dead... or myself and others
have been unable to
Vladimir R. Bossicard wrote:
but these are actually pretty good! I forwarded them to the poi dev
list.
Time to have a gump-like Maven based PMD website for the Apache projects?
+1
-Vladimir
Not for POI but for those who want it ... sure. I'm so excited about
the new centipede's easy
At first I was going to complain and say Another one of these? Most
of the automated code metrics I read complain about things
in POI which are like duh its an API of course its an 'unused' class
-- or duh its a development utility or test case which isn't MEANT
to be flexible --but these are
I just wanted to say. I like Marc. He's fun :-)
(but then again I like Jon too for many of the same reasons though I've
not met him in person so my judgement may be suspect ;-) )
BTW if we can get our act together and I can get the guts together to
ask my boss for time off just after
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cut here
Ladies and Gentlemen,
the ASF is happy to present the creation of
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But JBoss is. JBoss support EJB but has some features as a general app
server that are pretty sweet.
And as much as I wish we had something as good Jingoism asidewe
simply don't.
But I don't think JBoss is crying over not being an apache project at
the moment ;-)
I wish we did have
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/10/25 5:16 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wish we did have something that supported a non-crappy interface like
EOB (eob.sourceforge.net)
Stuff like this reminds me of Velocity vs. JSP argument.
Agreed. Velocity looks better than
But there should be something adequate in addition to JBoss.
Steve Downey wrote:
LGPL probably isn't bad enough to prevent people from using it. So the drive
to create a BSD or Apache-style implementation hasn't exceeded the effort.
On Friday 25 October 2002 08:16 pm, Andrew C. Oliver wrote
Yeah... Like POI... sniff...
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EyeBrowse is a great facility - how do we add other Apache mailing lists
to it?
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As far as, please
will do.
(Because, I captured the statistics on my pages by Postgres with
referers. Andy, if you want to know, I will be pleased to.)
yes please :-)
Sure, I posted to Jetspeed-dev and Slide-dev (and bcel)
the patches for the links to the Japanese tranlation site,
Lazy consensus. Just do it.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
Greg Stein wrote:
The front page is also totally lacking any information about the the
fact
that xml.apache.org is a project of the Apache Software Foundation,
and it
does not provide any link back to
I'd rather perform their role from 1987-1999 or so ;-)
-Andy
Martin van den Bemt wrote:
I never had you for an idealest. What I think they'll do is start
trying to sell the JDK, lock every thing down grasping for some business
model...any busines model.then sink slowly into the abyss
P.S. by the way, Andy, how do you think to add to the
translation links to Jakarta-Seoul POI project?
sure... though I wish that they'd translate more than the front page.
If no one submits a patch/does it in the next couple of days I'll handle
it in my next
productive cycle.
-Andy
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Mr Ship,
I totally disagree with Pier's statement (and you'll find many here will
feel the same as I on this).
The opinion of Tapestry joining is very good.
Realize Apache is more like a confederation than anything. So different
people feel
differently. We're still ironing out a new process
Now, this looks like a little bit contradictory to me, you say let's vote
(and I assume that the Jakarta community needs to vote), the Jakarta
president says let's make Incubator vote, and Tapestry be our guinea pig.
So? I think Sam and Ken and the rest are committed to making this
snip descrption=left only the stuff I liked because a man hears what
he wants to hear and disregards the rest...hum.mmm.humm/ !--
thinking of that street musician guy --
let's be positive... As I said, I can't claim right anywhere, so, after
expressing my doubts, I will shut up.
Why no you
u seen eyebrowse:
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ViewLists
It holds all the xml lists. It has a format for a list like this:
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/SummarizeList?listId=47 though.
No it doesn't. It says 0 for POI there have certainly been more
than 0 posts
:-(
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/management.html
For Tapestry to become a subproject of Jakarta requires a 3/4 majority
of the PMC. I am very interested in getting the incubator team to help
with the licensing issues and community issues.
I am optimistic about the outcome as there are plenty
for your support,
Andrew C. Oliver
committer POI, Lucene
contributer Cocoon, JAMES
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U/f I don't have time to make a better entry (with links to an archive) and no one responded for my call for help
* POI put out a new development release that includes Macro support
* Shawn Laubach was voted a committer
* There was renewed interest in HDF our word port and several new folks
Wow cool. I'll have to get a BSD box.
Maybe Jakarta should use .NET CLI for all infrastructure stuff... It
can't run worse on BSD than java does ;-)
-Andy
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/default.asp?url=/downloads/sample.asp?ur
down pier down.
Stephane. News readers are yet another aspect of the internet.
Consider these primary services (to most end users):
1. email
2. web (http)
3. ftp
4. news
Mozilla mail does indeed have a news reader but you cannot web browse
to it per se. you'll need to use the mozilla
Doug Bateman wrote:
Was there any final resolution to this thread? I imagine any PMC
vote would be announced to this list?
So, I think everyone kind of agreed it needed to bake a little longer.
So here is a status update.
Tapestry has:
1. Adopted Apache Voting rules
2. Ratified a core
One of the things I find most frustrating is dealing with IDE
Developers, meaning those developers who cut their teeth on
Microsoft tools and never learned how to even set their PATH let alone
their classpath. Rather than flame them and suggest
hey why don't you learn your own tools and then
Debugging is missing. It's source of confusion for many IDE
Developers. Many don't know how to debug their favorite EJB server /
servlet engine unless there is button in the IDE.
Ahh. Can you tap something out and put in a patch and I'll edit? I'll
write instructions for eclipse.
PS
ACK. fixed, built, committed, updated, thanks!
Clemens Marschner wrote:
Just a short thing I stepped over when I read the doc
writing this: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idedevelopers.html so that
The link to subversion doesn't work (http:// missing). But the doc is great.
Clemens
Added sections on debugging... let me know what you think.
Debugging is missing. It's source of confusion for many IDE
Developers. Many don't know how to debug their favorite EJB server /
servlet engine unless there is button in the IDE.
PS JetBrains IDEA is worth mentioning as good IDE.
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idedevelopers.html
Thanks for your help!
-Andy
Great document Andy.
Thanks! :-)
The more idiot guides we have, the less idiots we will have.
:-D
-Andy
-jon
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Yeah My appologies to Tim. I thought they were part of the tagline when
I read that! (the made it part of the tagline)
-Andy
While Tim's e-mail was not formatted in a manner that is suitable for
direct input into the Unix patch program, it did contain human
readable diffs.
Earlier
So I guess instead thats me demonstrating how not to act ;-)Go
me! ;-)
Sam Ruby wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
A great lesson on what not to do by Tim Vernum:
It really needs a spell check
Thanks Tim for demonstrating un-communalistic behavior for everyone!
This is a great
Actually using Ant (or Maven) from an IDE is easy enough. The tricky
bit is getting the IDE to see the same classpath that the build script
uses, for code completion and the like. I noticed the Maven to Eclipse
integration for example tries to work by allowing you to generate a
file
I'm not familiar enough with Maven's recent developments to write on
this. Perhaps you could contribute? I'm also not sure how many
projects there are that are currently using Maven, however, since
this seems to be expanding I suspect it would be worthwhile.
Ok, I'll try to get
Great. I'll note this and include the link.
A quick note :
I'm using Eclipse and Tomcat, using the tomcat plugin
(http://www.sysdeo.com/eclipse/tomcatPlugin.html)
which make it easy to launch Tomcat 3.3.1, 4.0 or 4.1 from Eclipse.
So there is no need for remote debugging via Eclipse, even
...
Pointers to documentation on build tool integration (Make/Ant/Maven)
would definitely be useful for this document, +1 Baz.
any specific suggestions on existing documentation which should be
linked and introduced?
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And why the heck should they? Any decent software worth it's salt doesn't
make the user touch their classpath :)
Yeah and IDE project files are AWESOME for automated builds, automated
unit testing, gump etc! Its ALSO AWESOME when they stick multiple
editions in their IDE libarary manager
.
But, of course, when the abstraction leaks, I know how to plug it (or at
least where to look).
-Jim Moore
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From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:37 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: IDE Developers' guide
And why
I've committed and updated the love guides
(http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idedevelopers.html) and added a new
guide for netbeans. Thanks to Werner Punz of the Jetspeed project for
that. I've also applied Brian Ewins patch to source/getinvolved.
Thanks Brian! And there
are some updates to
www.cygwin.com has a port of just about everything. including a
decent shell emulator for winblowz.
Danny Angus wrote:
Guys,
I don't know if this is relevant, I guess people can run external tools from their IDE's, but I just sent someone else this link 'cos it has a win32 port of patch.
Gotcha. I'll note it in there.
Danny Angus wrote:
Yeah I know, but not everyone wants to install cygwin, but everyone ought to want those *nix commands!
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Yes, Emacs is the original IDE -- I mean, its name stands for editor
macros.
This isn't a guide for those people. This is for the new breed of
developers who think the command line is some obscure form of
ancient scribe.
-Andy
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If they want to contact me... The JCP still blows.. It just blows less.
How's that? ;-)
Danny Angus wrote:
JCP program office director Onno Kluyt said. Apache could not be contacted at the time of going to press.
What?
d.
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http://www.miceda-data.com/cgi-bin/blosxom/2002/12/04#Java/velocity
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Thanks Jon. Here's the link.
http://www.sys-con.com/java/article.cfm?id=1714
Its an okay article. Could be a bit more in-depth I suppose, but I
imagine all the people
who could write that are under gag order.
And if you're really depressed... Here's a quick how to for doing
C#/Mono by
While I agree with everyhting you're saing. I read that over twice and
I'm like Why?
I mean why? So lets say for a moment you're one of the new breed whom
use that
epitomy of object orientation better known as Java Server Pages. Well
really, what does
this Java Server Faces add over Struts?
IBM and others will move to Microsoft and
we'll have the next phase of the show.
Where are we the working class who makes it work in this process? Pawns
in the game.
-Andy
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/4 5:57 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Java Communist Party
Any time man. Any time.
Scott Sanders wrote:
The structure of the JCP is the same as the structure of your average
communist party, at least as I undestand it.
You have the party loyal whom run divied up industries (which
can't be
called industrialists), you have a strongman (Sun).
about C# working with you.
Bob -
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Thanks Jon. Here's the link.
http://www.sys-con.com/java/article.cfm?id=1714
Its an okay article. Could be a bit more in-depth I suppose, but I
imagine all the people
who could write that are under gag order.
And if you're really
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I don't really want or need to see Microsoft's code. What I
would like to see is their file formats, protocols and APIs being
documented
so that other developers, open-source or otherwise, can interoperate and
compete with their products
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I agree!!
We're
will have
standard compliant XML schemas for Word and Excel files??? --DD
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To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way
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I don't really
Excel open with 4 (yes
four) workbooks at one time...
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Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 6:00 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way
Yeah... Maybe they can make it not crash for reasonable
Sadly, MS Word under CrossOver Office is more stable on my Linux
workstation at work than OpenOffice. Hopefully this will change.
-Brian
so ppl, why don't you report bugs so they can make it stable?!!!
Before you lecture, go look at the OpenOffice sources. It is amazing that
the thing
Sun is exactly what Microsoft would be if it were short a few billion
dollars. To think otherwise is to
significantly deceive ones self.
-Andy
Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 06:42:36PM +0200, mohammad nabil wrote:
support Sun, Open Source, and all good manufacturar in our
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
I added a simple poll for Jakarta developers.
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/os.html
Please update the site with your preferences.
-jon
while I plan to site my preference. I merely am curious what the
purpose it. (not a critique or whatever just pure
Sure. Make sure you meet the criteria and write a proposal. You just
need some sponsoring folks. I think Erik Hatcher is a big XDoclet fan.
It would be cool to see XDoclet proposed before Tapestry (I'm not
volunteering for that, just an offhand remark).
-Andy
Ara Abrahamian wrote:
I find it rather amusing that you need Office 11 to have ACCESS to XML.
After all XML has been so restricted until now ;-).
Regardless, I hope (I think) Micorsoft REALLY makes Office XML compliant
such that it behaves nicely in Office. Currently you can save it as a
kinda XML format but its
Me too. And my younger stepson has a cute little voice. So he was
playing with Clay and patted it into a semi-round circle and said here,
it's Bambi-burger...yummm.. And I pretended to eat it...
Gotta pick some more Bambi up...m (oh wait ... I forgot... I'm
vegetarian this week for
Sam Ruby wrote:
Gump is now two years old. It has had contributions from over a dozen
people, about a half-dozen this month alone. There seems to be a
renewed interest in gump (some in response to a little nudging grin).
Considering all of this, what I would like to propose is that the
Yup, just like Tomcat 3...which should have reached its goal years ago.
-jon
The Andy theorem on general Apache Jakarta discussions continues to
prove true (they all devolve into a rehash of the bad ol days of Tomcat
3.3/4)... Please don't take the bait guys... Pretty please?
-Andy
The point being that we seem to continue to do the same circle. We get
people like Nicola who are similar to Costin in The Wall mindset and the
same exact discussions go round and round just on different topics (ie:
Maven vs. Centipede vs. Forrest vs. vs. vs. vs.).
Okay. I'll bite I love
Not that this discussion has any useful point.. . But I adore the
purpose and concepts behind XSLT, but I LOATHE the syntax. However,
now that I know it, its not so bad.
-Andy
Sam Ruby wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Come on. Does anyone really *like* XSL?
I do.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 07:13 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Come on. Does anyone really *like* XSL?
I do.
I actually like the declarative model I sometimes have trouble in
that processing syntax is not orthogonal to the
Yes! In fact POI uses this to generate Record and Type classes from XML
descriptors. You can't
imagine how much typing this saves!
Danny Angus wrote:
Come on. Does anyone really *like* XSL?
Actually after a lot of scepticism I now like XSLT.
But like everything else it stinks if its
http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/user/view/wlg/2423
-Andy
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