Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:42 PM >> To: Jakarta General List >> Subject: Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ? >> >> I don't have a problem with db, but if that is associated too strongly >> with relational databa

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On 5/6/02 6:34 PM, "Daniel Rall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I was thinking that a better name might be 'dataaccess' or something to >> reflect the fact that the scope isn't just about formal db's. >> >> Not sure. We can keep it as 'db' as

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gt; -Original Message- > > From: Jim Seach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:42 PM > > To: Jakarta General List > > Subject: Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ? > > > > I don't have a problem with db, but

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If I were going to Apache to look for database stuff be it a database (object oriented or not) and/or stuff to work with it...I'd be prone to look at db.apache.org. Then again... Jakarta == Java?? ;-) -Andy On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 18:44, Peter Donald wrote: > On Tue, 7 May 2002 08:34, Daniel Rall

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e"? Sounds like some sort of meat seasoning. No MSG! > -Original Message- > From: Jim Seach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:42 PM > To: Jakarta General List > Subject: Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ? > > I don

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On Tue, 7 May 2002 08:34, Daniel Rall wrote: > "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I was thinking that a better name might be 'dataaccess' or something to > > reflect the fact that the scope isn't just about formal db's. > > > > Not sure. We can keep it as 'db' as a working name

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I don't have a problem with db, but if that is associated too strongly with relational databases, how about datamanagement or dm? Another option would be just data. Jim Seach --- Daniel Rall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I was thinking that

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

"Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I was thinking that a better name might be 'dataaccess' or something to > reflect the fact that the scope isn't just about formal db's. > > Not sure. We can keep it as 'db' as a working name for now, I suppose. The only other thing that I could

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Martin Poeschl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > i just sent a proposal to the torque list to move to db ...which has been approved by the developers. - Dan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail:

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Naw I'd like to see an httpd-like answer to object-oriented-databases one day. Rather a name that deosn't preclude it... -Andy > We have some time now. > > I was thinking about this during yoga (I started yoga. It's very cool. I > wasn't supposed to be thinking about anything but my 'wisdom

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On 5/4/02 9:26 AM, "Martin Poeschl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: >> On 5/4/02 3:41 AM, "Thomas Mahler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Geir, >>> >>> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: >>> >>> On 5/3/02 6:01 PM, "Thomas Mahler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>

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Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > On 5/4/02 3:41 AM, "Thomas Mahler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Hi Geir, >> >>Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: >> >> >>>On 5/3/02 6:01 PM, "Thomas Mahler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> I think db.apache.org is a great idea. And we will be happy to be part o

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On 5/4/02 3:41 AM, "Thomas Mahler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Geir, > > Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > >> On 5/3/02 6:01 PM, "Thomas Mahler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> >>> I think db.apache.org is a great idea. And we will be happy to be part >>> of it ! >>> >> >> I was going to wri

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Hi Geir, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > On 5/3/02 6:01 PM, "Thomas Mahler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>I think db.apache.org is a great idea. And we will be happy to be part >>of it ! >> > > I was going to write to you to discuss the idea, but it's better to discuss > here. I am glad to see

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> Martin Poeschl wrote: > > > > there are only 2 apache developers on the ojb developer list (Jason van Zyl and me) > > i think it would be good to give the other ojb developers some time to see how > > everything works here . > > I think I need to speak more often then :) Admittedly, I'm onl

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On 5/3/02 6:01 PM, "Thomas Mahler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Welcome, Thomas. > Hi, > > Martin Poeschl wrote: > > >> there are only 2 apache developers on the ojb developer list (Jason van Zyl >> and me) >> i think it would be good to give the other ojb developers some time to see >> how >

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Hi, Martin Poeschl wrote: > there are only 2 apache developers on the ojb developer list (Jason van Zyl and me) > i think it would be good to give the other ojb developers some time to see how > everything works here . > I agree. We (the OJB developers) will need some time to get used to

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On 5/3/02 1:14 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > >>> They _will_ be apache people. >> >> Of course they _will_ be apache people, but they _aren't_ now. That isn't a >> bad thing, a criticism or an insult. Just recognizing the r

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On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > They _will_ be apache people. > > Of course they _will_ be apache people, but they _aren't_ now. That isn't a > bad thing, a criticism or an insult. Just recognizing the reality. The project was aproved by the PMC - so their commiters _are_ ja

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Henri Yandell wrote: > +1 on Jakarta.OJB. > -1 on Jakarta.DB-Commons unless otherwise convinced. > -1 on db.apache.org, unless people start offering bribes. I agree with all that. Let's let something like jakarta-db[commons] or db.apache.org evolve naturally. Start small and let it grow. It

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On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > My point is that, like it or not (I like it, Costin doesn't) there is some > benefit of letting like minded people form a community unto themselves - > this is the whole argument behind bringing XML and Jakarta together - lots > of like minded pe

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On 5/3/02 12:04 PM, "Henri Yandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > >>> I'm also very unhappy with the xml/jakarta separation and >>> the balkanisation of apache - as well shown by the current >>> maven/forest/cocoon/centipede discussion, where

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On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > I'm also very unhappy with the xml/jakarta separation and > > the balkanisation of apache - as well shown by the current > > maven/forest/cocoon/centipede discussion, where even xml.apache.org > > is affected by jakarta's NIH. > > > > So I'll be

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On 5/3/02 10:56 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > >> I'll iterate : the point isn't just for it to be OJB, but to put together a >> package of projects that want to do this. I think the only way for it to be >> a strong apache c

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On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > I'll iterate : the point isn't just for it to be OJB, but to put together a > package of projects that want to do this. I think the only way for it to be > a strong apache community is if it has a large amount of apache > participation. The only w

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On 5/3/02 9:51 AM, "Waldhoff, Rodney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You mean this? > >> [jakarta-commons] shall create and maintain packages written >> in the Java language, intended for use in server-related >> development, and designed to be used independently of any >

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e: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ? On 5/3/02 8:24 AM, "Waldhoff, Rodney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Berin wrote: > >> There are some things we have in Excalibur that we *can't* >> donate to Commons because the charter does not allow

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On 5/3/02 8:24 AM, "Waldhoff, Rodney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Berin wrote: > >> There are some things we have in Excalibur that we *can't* >> donate to Commons because the charter does not allow it >> (I think its something about the project can't rely on >> non-commons projects or somethin

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Berin wrote: > There are some things we have in Excalibur that we *can't* > donate to Commons because the charter does not allow it > (I think its something about the project can't rely on > non-commons projects or something). What gives you that idea? Many if not most commons projects rely

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> > The only problem is that yours so far is the only public positive comment > > so far. I let it stew for a bit and will talk to OJB in the intrim, but if > > people don't see this as a good idea, then it very could might not be. well, if you insist, +1 then ;) As long as there's room for ava

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On Fri, 3 May 2002 20:37, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > I have no idea why they want to move here, but to me, being the 'marquee' > project in a new Apache subproject has incredible upside for a project > trying to establish 'mindshare' in what seems to be a confusing vertical. > No doubt, being par

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On 5/3/02 6:37 AM, "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> In the end I think it would be best move for OJB group (much better awareness >> and promotion and in the end development) however it comes down to whether >> they want to do it and if there is enough Apache volunteers to ge

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James Strachan wrote: > From: "Stefan Bodewig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>On Thu, 02 May 2002, Geir Magnusson, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>>Costin suggested, and I supported, that a subproject of wider scope >>>be created to allow the collection of similar technologies into one >>>larger

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On 5/3/02 2:55 AM, "Peter Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 3 May 2002 11:44, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: >> On 5/2/02 6:33 PM, "Peter Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts >>> etc >> >> For future r

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On 5/3/02 2:02 AM, "Stefan Bodewig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 02 May 2002, Geir Magnusson, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Costin suggested, and I supported, that a subproject of wider scope >> be created to allow the collection of similar technologies into one >> larger subcommun

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On 5/3/02 3:06 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > >>> So much like xml.apache.org deals with XML, db.apache.org will deal >>> with databases (maybe even collaborate with xml.apache.org/xindice in >>> future). >> >> So I propose t

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On Fri, 3 May 2002, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I only made a comment that I think a larger scope for the project > would be usefull. That's been my understanding of it - and I agree with the comment 8-) Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e

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From: "Stefan Bodewig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Thu, 02 May 2002, Geir Magnusson, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Costin suggested, and I supported, that a subproject of wider scope > > be created to allow the collection of similar technologies into one > > larger subcommunity. > > First of a

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On Thu, 2 May 2002, Bill Barker wrote: > +1 > Unless Costin's proposal is to kick it up to the Apache PMC, then all the I only made a comment that I think a larger scope for the project would be usefull. Many jakarta projects are out of scope ( or at least doing many things that are hardly r

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On Thu, 2 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > So much like xml.apache.org deals with XML, db.apache.org will deal > > with databases (maybe even collaborate with xml.apache.org/xindice in > > future). > > So I propose that we put together a proposal for a db.apache.org. We should I don't be

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On Fri, 3 May 2002 11:44, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > On 5/2/02 6:33 PM, "Peter Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts > > etc > > For future reference, can we quantify this 'deservation' of peerage? It should b

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- Original Message - From: "Stefan Bodewig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:02 PM Subject: Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ? > On Thu, 02 May 2002, Geir Magnusson, Jr. <[EMAIL PRO

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On Thu, 02 May 2002, Geir Magnusson, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Costin suggested, and I supported, that a subproject of wider scope > be created to allow the collection of similar technologies into one > larger subcommunity. First of all, I like the idea. But in general I think this shoul

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On 5/2/02 6:33 PM, "Peter Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts etc For future reference, can we quantify this 'deservation' of peerage? I do know what you mean intuitively but there are all sorts of great things

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On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 17:33, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > I hate to interrupt all the good fun over standards, bike sheds, and general > good community feelings, but I would like to solicit community opinion on > something unrelated to DVSL or Jon Stevens (both of which I like, btw...) Thank god

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On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 18:33, Peter Donald wrote: > Hi, > > OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts etc > > A somewhat better idea IMO would be to use OJB + Torque as a trampoline for a > new top-level project "db.apache.org" (or insert something more snappy if

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I think ojb can do things like map a set of related objects to xml as well. Its not completely database centered. (I know very little about ojb, so feel free to dispute that. Just thought I would bring it up in case those that know better, are tuned out.) john mcnally On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 15

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On 5/2/02 6:09 PM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If it means no more daily messages about object relational mapping tools > on this list... Right - would keep the list clear for the current important stuff... ;) > then it has my full blessing! I suggest an effort be > ma

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Hi, OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts etc A somewhat better idea IMO would be to use OJB + Torque as a trampoline for a new top-level project "db.apache.org" (or insert something more snappy if you want). So much like xml.apache.org deals with XML, db.ap

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If it means no more daily messages about object relational mapping tools on this list... then it has my full blessing! I suggest an effort be made to move all the connection pools and all that over there and start thinking up some orthogonal organization scheme. The committers there should have

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Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > I hate to interrupt all the good fun over standards, bike sheds, and general > good community feelings, but I would like to solicit community opinion on > something unrelated to DVSL or Jon Stevens (both of which I like, btw...) You're taking away all the fun :) > >