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From: Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?
On Thu, 02 May 2002, Geir Magnusson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Costin suggested, and I
On Fri, 3 May 2002 10:45, Sam Ruby wrote:
Just thought I would let you know.
I thought they were - just not in the haha sense :)
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On Fri, 3 May 2002 11:44, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On 5/2/02 6:33 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts
etc
For future reference, can we quantify this 'deservation' of peerage?
It should be size of
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
So much like xml.apache.org deals with XML, db.apache.org will deal
with databases (maybe even collaborate with xml.apache.org/xindice in
future).
So I propose that we put together a proposal for a db.apache.org. We should
I don't believe
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Bill Barker wrote:
+1
Unless Costin's proposal is to kick it up to the Apache PMC, then all the
I only made a comment that I think a larger scope for the project would
be usefull.
Many jakarta projects are out of scope ( or at least doing many things
that are hardly
On Fri, 3 May 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I only made a comment that I think a larger scope for the project
would be usefull.
That's been my understanding of it - and I agree with the comment 8-)
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Just thought I would let you know.
+1
The same old discussion - mine is longer then yours.
Greets
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on 5/2/02 10:38 PM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's everything you need to know to build Ant:
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/~checkout~/jakarta-ant/build.xml
I guess there is no need to build a maven descriptor for Ant then? Sorry,
but it is not that simple.
- Sam Ruby
On 5/3/02 3:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
So much like xml.apache.org deals with XML, db.apache.org will deal
with databases (maybe even collaborate with xml.apache.org/xindice in
future).
So I propose that we put
On 5/3/02 2:02 AM, Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 02 May 2002, Geir Magnusson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Costin suggested, and I supported, that a subproject of wider scope
be created to allow the collection of similar technologies into one
larger subcommunity.
First
On 5/3/02 2:55 AM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 3 May 2002 11:44, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On 5/2/02 6:33 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts
etc
For future reference, can we quantify
James Strachan wrote:
From: Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 02 May 2002, Geir Magnusson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Costin suggested, and I supported, that a subproject of wider scope
be created to allow the collection of similar technologies into one
larger subcommunity.
First
On 5/3/02 6:37 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the end I think it would be best move for OJB group (much better awareness
and promotion and in the end development) however it comes down to whether
they want to do it and if there is enough Apache volunteers to get it going.
Jon Stevens wrote:
Maven is more than just a build system.
And Gump does at least one thing that Maven does not. And Centipede does
at least one thing that neither of then do.
So what you end up with is a venn diagram of information that each requires
- however the overlap are is information
The only problem is that yours so far is the only public positive comment
so far. I let it stew for a bit and will talk to OJB in the intrim, but if
people don't see this as a good idea, then it very could might not be.
well, if you insist, +1 then ;)
As long as there's room for
Berin wrote:
There are some things we have in Excalibur that we *can't*
donate to Commons because the charter does not allow it
(I think its something about the project can't rely on
non-commons projects or something).
What gives you that idea? Many if not most commons projects rely
On 5/3/02 8:24 AM, Waldhoff, Rodney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Berin wrote:
There are some things we have in Excalibur that we *can't*
donate to Commons because the charter does not allow it
(I think its something about the project can't rely on
non-commons projects or something).
What
You mean this?
[jakarta-commons] shall create and maintain packages written
in the Java language, intended for use in server-related
development, and designed to be used independently of any
larger product or framework.
On 5/3/02 9:51 AM, Waldhoff, Rodney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You mean this?
[jakarta-commons] shall create and maintain packages written
in the Java language, intended for use in server-related
development, and designed to be used independently of any
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I'll iterate : the point isn't just for it to be OJB, but to put together a
package of projects that want to do this. I think the only way for it to be
a strong apache community is if it has a large amount of apache
participation. The only way
On 5/3/02 10:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I'll iterate : the point isn't just for it to be OJB, but to put together a
package of projects that want to do this. I think the only way for it to be
a strong apache community is
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I'm also very unhappy with the xml/jakarta separation and
the balkanisation of apache - as well shown by the current
maven/forest/cocoon/centipede discussion, where even xml.apache.org
is affected by jakarta's NIH.
So I'll be -1 ( as a
On 5/3/02 12:04 PM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I'm also very unhappy with the xml/jakarta separation and
the balkanisation of apache - as well shown by the current
maven/forest/cocoon/centipede discussion, where even
Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/2/02 5:28 PM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:) We'd probably be running UNIX on our desktops with a standard
and friendly GUI.
I am. I use a mac w/ OS X :)
Same here... Everywhere... :)
Pier
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Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jon Stevens wrote:
Maven is more than just a build system.
And Gump does at least one thing that Maven does not. And Centipede does
at least one thing that neither of then do.
So what you end up with is a venn diagram of information that each
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
My point is that, like it or not (I like it, Costin doesn't) there is some
benefit of letting like minded people form a community unto themselves -
this is the whole argument behind bringing XML and Jakarta together - lots
of like minded
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/2/02 5:28 PM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:) We'd probably be running UNIX on our desktops with a standard
and friendly GUI.
I am. I use a mac w/ OS X :)
Same here...
Henri Yandell wrote:
+1 on Jakarta.OJB.
-1 on Jakarta.DB-Commons unless otherwise convinced.
-1 on db.apache.org, unless people start offering bribes.
I agree with all that. Let's let something like jakarta-db[commons] or
db.apache.org evolve naturally. Start small and let it grow.
It
on 5/3/02 4:08 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Simple example: given an Scarab's build.xml file, can you write a DVSL
which extracts the name of the jar which can be produced?
- Sam Ruby
Yes, cause I can just put a simple object 'java.util.Properties' into the
context which gets it
Jon Stevens wrote:
Simple example: given an Scarab's build.xml file, can you write a DVSL
which extracts the name of the jar which can be produced?
Yes, cause I can just put a simple object 'java.util.Properties' into the
context which gets it out of the default.properties file.
Can you
Nice to see people who are upset about Maven actually recognizing that it is
pretty cool and can be made better (have to start somewhere, right?).
Berin posted this:
Despite my comments on General@, I really like what maven offers. There
are some things that I would like to have in Maven or
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I am. I use a mac w/ OS X :)
Same here... Everywhere... :)
Me too. I'm hooked. TiBook wherever I go, dualie 800 at home. Can't go
back.
The Apple Java list has had some complaints recently that Sun don't care
about Apple users and
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
They _will_ be apache people.
Of course they _will_ be apache people, but they _aren't_ now. That isn't a
bad thing, a criticism or an insult. Just recognizing the reality.
The project was aproved by the PMC - so their commiters _are_
http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=36516
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
Nice to see people who are upset about Maven actually recognizing that it is
pretty cool and can be made better (have to start somewhere, right?).
Berin posted this:
Despite my comments on General@, I really like
on 5/3/02 9:57 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can you point out where the jar name is in the scarab/build/default.properties
file?
- Sam Ruby
In Velocity/DVSL, it would be built something like this (assuming a
java.util.Properties in the context as props:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
Nice to see people who are upset about Maven actually recognizing that it is
pretty cool and can be made better (have to start somewhere, right?).
Berin posted this:
Despite my comments on General@, I really like what maven offers. There
are some things that I
on 5/3/02 10:04 AM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Apple Java list has had some complaints recently that Sun don't care
about Apple users and that Apple can't supply the time to support Java
users.
Well duh. Apple's business model doesn't revolve around Java.
Apple are doing a
on 5/3/02 10:19 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=36516
50 cvs actions over the life of the project?
OooAhh
-jon
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page views dude, just my way of thanking you for publicity.
project just switched repositories.
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 5/3/02 10:19 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=36516
50 cvs actions over the life of the project?
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 5/3/02 10:19 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=36516
50 cvs actions over the life of the project?
OooAhh
And who is the hypocrite this time?
From a previous post of yours (copy
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 5/3/02 10:04 AM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Apple Java list has had some complaints recently that Sun don't care
about Apple users and that Apple can't supply the time to support Java
users.
Well duh. Apple's business
On 5/3/02 1:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
They _will_ be apache people.
Of course they _will_ be apache people, but they _aren't_ now. That isn't a
bad thing, a criticism or an insult. Just recognizing the reality.
The
On 5/3/02 1:04 PM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I am. I use a mac w/ OS X :)
Same here... Everywhere... :)
Me too. I'm hooked. TiBook wherever I go, dualie 800 at home. Can't go
back.
I can see a good reason for
on 5/3/02 10:37 AM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 5/3/02 10:19 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=36516
50 cvs actions over the life of the project?
OooAhh
And who is
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 5/3/02 10:37 AM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 5/3/02 10:19 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=36516
50 cvs actions over the life of the project?
on 5/3/02 10:37 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
page views dude, just my way of thanking you for publicity.
project just switched repositories.
O...page views dude?...you didn't say that...
well, just yesterday we had:
[daedalus] 10:56am ~ grep -c /maven/ 02
7546
Looks
i'm fairly new to Apple OS/X (about a month w/ my TiBook), and have thus
not run into the native code dependency problems (yet).
i'm all for anything that would elevate the dev community's issues to both
camps (Sun/Apple).
-doug
-Original Message-
From: Henri Yandell [mailto:[EMAIL
You know how many views /. gets? Microsoft.com?
This is getting _really_ silly.
LOL
On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 20:00, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 5/3/02 10:37 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
page views dude, just my way of thanking you for publicity.
project just switched
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
well, just yesterday we had:
[daedalus] 10:56am ~ grep -c /maven/ 02
7546
Looks like the *entire* life of your project has been around 9500...
OhhA
My english vocabulary is too limited to express what I feel
reading
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On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 08:34 PM, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Thank to Daniel Rall, we finally have an in-house mail archive for
JAKARTA.APACHE.ORG, with all our history so far.
The baby is running on Tigris' EyeBrowse and can be accessed here:
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Great... but is
petite_abeille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 08:34 PM, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Thank to Daniel Rall, we finally have an in-house mail archive for
JAKARTA.APACHE.ORG, with all our history so far.
The baby is running on Tigris' EyeBrowse and can be accessed here:
At http://nagoya.apache.org/ I now see:
The BugZilla Bug Tracking System
BugZilla is the Bug Tracking System currently used by most Apache
projects.
The Scarab Issue Tracking System
Scarab is an alternative Issue Tracking System and it will shortly
replace the current BugZilla
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
It's internet explorer not sending the correct locale... Daniel's aware of
that, and a fix is shortcoming... Use mozilla! :)
Tis is mozilla:
org.apache.velocity.exception.MethodInvocationException: Invocation of method
'get(PageTitle)' in class
on 5/3/02 12:38 PM, Waldhoff, Rodney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't have anything against Scarab (in fact I may even prefer it), and
I've no particular love for BugZilla (in fact I don't especially like it),
but out of curiosity, how is this sort of thing decided? I've seen no
mention of
Dude... is that available to other projects? Secondly, are there any
bugs stored in it? I tried to run a few queries to try it out and got
no results. I'd love to try scarab and might convince POI to use it.
But I'd rather kinda start sooner rather than later because once we
have a lot of
on 5/3/02 1:58 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dude... is that available to other projects? Secondly, are there any
bugs stored in it? I tried to run a few queries to try it out and got
no results. I'd love to try scarab and might convince POI to use it.
But I'd rather kinda
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Dude... is that available to other projects? Secondly, are there any
bugs stored in it? I tried to run a few queries to try it out and got
no results. I'd love to try scarab and might convince POI to use it.
But I'd rather kinda start sooner rather than later
I don't think anyone has been using it much yet.
On top of it, the version on nagoya is way old...:-(
It is very easy to install.
-jon
Any plans to upgrade? Anything I can do to help? Bugzilla is not my
favorite and I've been watching scarab from time to time and salivating.
(as well
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 5/3/02 12:38 PM, Waldhoff, Rodney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't have anything against Scarab (in fact I may even prefer it), and
I've no particular love for BugZilla (in fact I don't especially like it),
but out of curiosity, how is
Andy,
I am loving Scarab too. I have a copy installed on my laptop (along
with MySQL and Tomcat). It's administration is clean, the app is well
documented and user friendly.
Last time I inquired about it, Jason Van Zyl said that it was a testing
area. By virtue of the fact that it is
Can we get the POI mail archives on there?
Thanks,
Andy
Santiago Gala wrote:
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
It's internet explorer not sending the correct locale... Daniel's
aware of
that, and a fix is shortcoming... Use mozilla! :)
Tis is mozilla:
Hi,
Martin Poeschl wrote:
snip
there are only 2 apache developers on the ojb developer list (Jason van Zyl and me)
i think it would be good to give the other ojb developers some time to see how
everything works here .
I agree. We (the OJB developers) will need some time to get used to
Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
on 5/3/02 1:58 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dude... is that available to other projects? Secondly, are there any
bugs stored in it? I tried to run a few queries to try it out and got
no results. I'd love to try scarab and might
Waldhoff, Rodney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
on 5/3/02 12:38 PM, Waldhoff, Rodney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't have anything against Scarab (in fact I may even prefer it), and
I've no particular love for BugZilla (in fact I don't especially like
it),
but out of curiosity, how is this
Hey, Paulo! Let's meet! We can become friends and switch xsl:templates!
Sorry Steven, I know well both XSLT and Velocity and Velocity
sure is more productive.
Of course that from the way Jon talks about me you can tell that
I do not always agree with him - Jon seems to only be friendly
to
I do that because I believe standards are essential - even if
'simpler' pet-solutions exist. Standards are the only way to
get people to work togheter - and DocBook, HTML, XSLT are
the standards.
Costin,
Being you quite a brilliant guy, I don't understand two troubles
you seem to have:
I'm sure someone else will manage it but some of the lists have zero
entries, e.g. turbine-maven-dev
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Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
05/04/02 04:34 AM
I got proven wrong from the
point of view
that enough people wanted T3 to survive. I got proven right that T3
distracted a limited set of resources (ie: people) from T4.
Uau! You already got HALF way.
You just still don't understand that T4 probably has more resources
thanks to T3 staying
People who are clearly without a clue.
Hypocrites.
But then it seems that any one that disagrees with you gets included
in one (or both) of the above categories.
And you often don't recognize these ones even if they bite you:
Real suggestions for improvement.
Intelligent
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I'm sure someone else will manage it but some of the lists have zero
entries, e.g. turbine-maven-dev
I know, old problem. I'm regenerating the mbox indices now (which is
going to make nagoya very slow for a bit, btw).
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Santiago Gala [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
with my standard settings:
Ejemplo de Cabecera de Request
Host hisitech.com:8080
Accept
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,text/css,*/*;q=0.1
petite_abeille [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 08:34 PM, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Thank to Daniel Rall, we finally have an in-house mail archive for
JAKARTA.APACHE.ORG, with all our history so far.
The baby is running on Tigris' EyeBrowse and can be accessed here:
agreed. the swearing
(http://www.mail-archive.com/general@jakarta.apache.org/msg05130.html),
self-congratulating web page (http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jon.html), and
general attitude is disheartening.
most of us don't need others to step in and defend our 'nice-guy' status.
-Original
On 5/3/02 6:01 PM, Thomas Mahler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Welcome, Thomas.
Hi,
Martin Poeschl wrote:
snip
there are only 2 apache developers on the ojb developer list (Jason van Zyl
and me)
i think it would be good to give the other ojb developers some time to see
how
everything
C'mon guys personal attacks aren't worth our time.
Communities have a diverse range of people.
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05/04/02 05:12 AM
Please
On 5/3/02 9:30 PM, Daniel Rall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Santiago Gala [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
with my standard settings:
Ejemplo de Cabecera de Request
Host hisitech.com:8080
Accept
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0
What happened to the one at
http://nagoya.apache.org:8080/eyebrowse/ViewLists
It had all the lists archived instead of the few that are showing up now?
Thank to Daniel Rall, we finally have an in-house mail archive for
JAKARTA.APACHE.ORG, with all our history so far.
The baby is running on
Whooops ignore my last note, I missed this one about you rebuilding
everything.
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I'm sure someone else will manage it but some of the lists have zero
entries, e.g. turbine-maven-dev
I know, old problem. I'm regenerating the mbox indices now (which is
going to
http://www3.usermagnet.com/nl/jlnews_20020503.html
Rick Ross just got subpoenaed by Microsoft. For what? From what I can
tell writing mean things like I stand with Sun or something.
Kinda scary.
*now I think its okay to bark about the evil empire*
-Andy
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Martin Poeschl wrote:
snip
there are only 2 apache developers on the ojb developer list (Jason van Zyl and me)
i think it would be good to give the other ojb developers some time to see how
everything works here .
I think I need to speak more often then :) Admittedly, I'm only a
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
http://www3.usermagnet.com/nl/jlnews_20020503.html
Rick Ross just got subpoenaed by Microsoft. For what? From what I can
tell writing mean things like I stand with Sun or something.
Kinda scary.
Odd... the link in that story goes to
humm If I had to guess he posted the wrong link. I'll forward it to
you.
On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 23:22, Sam Ruby wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
http://www3.usermagnet.com/nl/jlnews_20020503.html
Rick Ross just got subpoenaed by Microsoft. For what? From what I can
tell writing mean
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