On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 12:36 -0800, Akkana Peck wrote:
For what it's worth, every time I see the question How do I make
a screenshot? posed on a beginner/intermediate Linux list, the
answer always ends up being GIMP. It's still the best method
that's not dependent on users running specific
On 2/5/07, Jakub Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally I'd rather have the screenshooter be a separate application.
There is a good number of efficient workflows using existing tools
(`sleep 5 import (-window root) ~/Desktop/foo.png` [1],
`gnome-panel-screenshot --delay 5 (--window)` ,
Akkana wrote:
I am an interaction architect, I have to take a decision what is
the best solution for 1 million users. We spend time evaluating
this feature systematically. We especially focussed on your
use case. But we saw the cost in UI complexity to put in the
second delay. This
This discussion goes on too long and distracts too much. I am
one who would prefer the plugin to work differently, but it is
clear that no solution will be good for everybody, and the approach
Sven has taken is certainly reasonable.
It would also be reasonable, I think, to separately distribute
peter sikking writes:
I got the fling that ksnapshot manages to take a snapshot of
the window + menu. There is where I got the idea. But reading
the documentation again, they do not 100% promise this.
I should have tried ksnapshot before! It does get the menus --
even on Edgy where GIMP's
Hi,
On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 10:37 -0800, Akkana Peck wrote:
If you have the mouse over only a menu, ksnapshot will even
give you just the menu without the window containing it.
ksnapshot solves the delay problem in a nice clean way:
they have only one (pre-selection) delay, but their window
On 1/31/07, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 19:09 -0600, Clarence Risher wrote:
Sven's argument is true, but does not address my point. In every case
like this the process will be more complex than just shot-clip-done.
In cases of non-rectangular areas
peter sikking writes:
Peter, I have to ask: how much have you actually used GIMP for
screenshots? Have you done a lot windows cut from full-screen
screenshots? Or talked to users who do?
I am an interaction architect, I have to take a decision what is
the best solution for 1 million
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 11:02:20AM -0800, Akkana Peck wrote:
[pre- vs. post- selection delay]
I estimate the chance that one is not taking a screenshot of GIMP
itself as higher than 50%. So you need time to get GIMP out
of the way.
To get the screenshot dialog out of the way, you mean?
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 11:02:20AM -0800, Akkana Peck wrote:
Is it really that common to screenshoot a single window which is
so large that there isn't room for both it and the screenshot dialog
on the screen at the same time?
To the list: does anyone here actually uses the delay for that
From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:38:21 +0100
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 22:03 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure if you're assuming everyone is using gnome here. I work on
xfce4 and I dont have a screenshot applet or whatever. I have scrot if
Hi,
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 04:44 -0600, Clarence Risher wrote:
Perhaps there is no intentional support, but I guarantee you that gimp
(as of 2.2, and i expect still in 2.3) takes screenshots of
non-rectangular windows just fine. The result is a black rectangle
containing the visible shape of
Hi,
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 11:02 -0800, Akkana Peck wrote:
In 'snap window' mode the shot shall be taken:
a) on the first mouse-down after the timer (can be zero) has expired;
b) immediately, when a non-zero timer expires AND a mouse-button
(left, right [pop-up menu], even middle?)
On 1/30/07, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
to propose a user interface that fits all needs.
imho, the 2.2 interface met all needs. i have yet to hear any reason
for eliminating either option, other than removing ONE element from
the screenshot GUI.
(sorry for the dupe email Sven)
Hi,
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 02:26 -0600, Clarence Risher wrote:
On 1/30/07, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
to propose a user interface that fits all needs.
imho, the 2.2 interface met all needs. i have yet to hear any reason
for eliminating either option, other than removing ONE
On 1/30/07, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 02:26 -0600, Clarence Risher wrote:
On 1/30/07, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
to propose a user interface that fits all needs.
imho, the 2.2 interface met all needs. i have yet to hear any reason
for
Clarence, would it be better to be not so aggressive? ;)
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Sven Neumann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Also your approach is very lame indeed. This discussion wasn't even
close to coming to an end. It would have been a lot nicer to propose a
solution instead of wasting time like this.
Please realize that your mails sound very much like you dont really
From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:35:17 +0100
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 02:26 -0600, Clarence Risher wrote:
On 1/30/07, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
to propose a user interface that fits all needs.
imho, the 2.2 interface met all needs.
On Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 9:35:17, Sven Neumann wrote:
We have had several reports about this UI being confusing. Users filed
bug reports claiming that the plug-in wouldn't do the right thing.
Obviously they did not understand the user interface. And that is not
surprising because it is
On 1/30/07, Robert L Krawitz wrote:
For my part, I've been awfully tempted to port the GTK 1.2 file load
and save dialogs forward to GTK 2.x. I suspect that my limited time
is better spent on Gutenprint and perhaps KPhotoAlbum, but those
dialogs are simply very painful to use.
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 01:10:56PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about this: get rid of the delay completely, and instead take the
screenshot when a certain key (eg. F12) is pressed?
It could be an answer if:
1) the key is customizable
2) we are really shure that there is no way that
On 1/30/07, Marco Ciampa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 01:10:56PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about this: get rid of the delay completely, and instead take the
screenshot when a certain key (eg. F12) is pressed?
It could be an answer if:
1) the key is
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:13:45 +0300
From: Alexandre Prokoudine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 1/30/07, Robert L Krawitz wrote:
For my part, I've been awfully tempted to port the GTK 1.2 file load
and save dialogs forward to GTK 2.x. I suspect that my limited time
is better spent on
Well what do you know?
At the moment Kamila and I are very busy with our (interaction
architecture) expert evaluation of the current GIMP, and this
morning we happen to stop by the screenshot plugin.
We actually took into account all comments made in this thread
up to that moment.
Here are our
Hi,
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 11:32 +0100, Simon Budig wrote:
Please realize that your mails sound very much like you dont really want
to change anything.
True. I don't think that the requested change should be made. That does
however not mean that it cannot be done and will not be done. There
Hi,
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 13:10 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about this: get rid of the delay completely, and instead take the
screenshot when a certain key (eg. F12) is pressed?
This works nicely but can only be implemented reasonably well on the
Desktop level. Actually, it's exactly
Hi,
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 17:51 +0100, peter sikking wrote:
We would like to see however two improvements:
1) A big, fat visual countdown of the delay. I can see a
big (200 point font) semitransparent numbers overlaying
the screen counting down 4-3-2-1. No more guessing how
Hi,
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 11:04 -0800, Akkana Peck wrote:
It wasn't? I waited more than a day after your last posting, and
there was nothing more. I don't think most of us thought that more
begging was going to accomplish anything after you said no.
I never said no. I only explained the
Hi,
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 11:04 -0800, Akkana Peck wrote:
For the book, I had to make hundreds of screenshots, many of them
showing menus or other transient features such as brush outlines.
For some, where the menus were entirely inside the window, I was
able to use single window with delay.
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:04:31 +0100, Akkana Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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P I think that puts an end to any doubts,
Oh, well, that's it, then.
There's no point in mere users trying to offer any input.
hmm, when I first read that earlier it sounded
On 1/30/07, peter sikking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- the fact that it is a piece of cake to cut out a rectangle
out of a image in GIMP, or two added rectangles (window +
menu sticking out).
For the record, windows are not always rectangular, or do not always
fill their bounding box. Or
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 08:22:11PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:
Any particular reason why you didn't use the screenshot feature of your
desktop for this? Just asking.
Not everybody uses a desktop that has a screenshot feature built in. I
don't, and whenever I want a screenshot I use the Gimp
Alex Pounds writes:
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 08:22:11PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:
Any particular reason why you didn't use the screenshot feature of your
desktop for this? Just asking.
Not everybody uses a desktop that has a screenshot feature built in. I
don't, and whenever I want a
Hi,
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 14:03 -0600, Clarence Risher wrote:
For the record, windows are not always rectangular, or do not always
fill their bounding box. Or they may contain (alpha) transparent
areas that are well nigh uncleanable when full-screen screenshot'd
without sufficient
On 1/28/07, Steve Stavropoulos wrote:
So it seems both options are needed. What about a checkbox below the
delay to select when the delay will be applied?
You may need both delays, so I think a second wait line not only
makes for a fully functional plugin, but removes the ambiguity as to
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 12:36:54PM -0800, Akkana Peck wrote:
Alex Pounds writes:
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 08:22:11PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:
Any particular reason why you didn't use the screenshot feature of your
desktop for this? Just asking.
Not everybody uses a desktop that has
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 11:58:08PM +0200, Steve Stavropoulos wrote:
On 1/28/07, Steve Stavropoulos wrote:
So it seems both options are needed. What about a checkbox below the
delay to select when the delay will be applied?
You may need both delays, so I think a second wait line not
Hi,
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 23:58 +0200, Steve Stavropoulos wrote:
You may need both delays, so I think a second wait line not only
makes for a fully functional plugin, but removes the ambiguity as to
when the delay is applied. In
http://master.math.upatras.gr/~steve/gimp/ you can find the
Sven wrote:
We would like to see however two improvements:
1) A big, fat visual countdown of the delay. I can see a
big (200 point font) semitransparent numbers overlaying
the screen counting down 4-3-2-1. No more guessing how
long do we still have to get that other window in
Hi,
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 00:53 +0100, peter sikking wrote:
So I had a look, one delay, but they also gave me an idea how
we can make everybody here happy, without the cost of two delays:
In 'snap window' mode the shot shall be taken:
a) on the first mouse-down after the timer (can be
On 1/30/07, peter sikking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Clarence Risher wrote:
On 1/30/07, peter sikking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- the fact that it is a piece of cake to cut out a rectangle
out of a image in GIMP, or two added rectangles (window +
menu sticking out).
For the
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:22:11 +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any particular reason why you didn't use the screenshot feature of your
desktop for this? Just asking. Please don't get upset again. I am only
trying to get an idea on why you prefer to use the screenshot plug-in
for
Hi,
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 19:09 -0600, Clarence Risher wrote:
Sven's argument is true, but does not address my point. In every case
like this the process will be more complex than just shot-clip-done.
In cases of non-rectangular areas the clipping will be quite annoying.
And in the rare
Hi,
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 22:03 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure if you're assuming everyone is using gnome here. I work on
xfce4 and I dont have a screenshot applet or whatever. I have scrot if I
dont use gimp. Most window manager screenshots seems just to grab the
whole
Hi,
On Mon, 2007-01-29 at 22:21 -0800, Akkana Peck wrote:
Okay, it sounds like the developers aren't willing to put back the
delay functionality that was removed from the screenshot plug-in.
So for those of us who need the delay and don't want to go back to
2.2, I've grabbed the old 2.2
Hi,
I don't think the plug-in will be removed but I would like not to
clutter the user interface again. The current UI seems to be more
appealing and usable than what we used to have.
Personally I tend to use the Screenshot functionality that is built into
the GNOME desktop. The screenshot is
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