Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[Jenny M Benson]

On 30/08/2019 06:21, bobstree2 wrote:


All my records are in family subfolders for each surname, all under one 
Surname folder (Thanks Geoff!) .  My file naming method also includes a 
document TYPE code so I can easily identify Census records.
File naming format example:  
LASTNAME_FirstName_MMDD_TYPE_Location_misc. ext


My method is similar, but everything is filed in folders naming the type 
of record - Baptism Images, Death Certificates, Wills, etc.  As all 
females are referenced by their maiden names, it would be very confusing 
to file by family surname.  Also include the record type in the 
filename, and the RIN of the person, so


Bap - Bloggs, Joseph 123.jpg
DC - Doe, Mary Jane 987.pdf
etc.

Census records have a folder for each Census, each country and the 
filename for the UK is the Census reference, eg RG9-1234-56-7.jpg.  Very 
often I have more than one family of relatives listed on the same Census 
page.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[Jenny M Benson]

On 29/08/2019 23:53, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:
I agree with Chris, especially if your ancestors have non 
Anglo-Saxon/Celtic names. Family Search is generally better than the 
others. I think their staff are better trained at indexing names, 
including foreign ones.


I have one instance where a whole family is entered in the Census 
Enumerator's book (which is what we get to see for UK Censuses pre-1911, 
not the householder's form) with the wrong surname!


Plus ! for what Chris said.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[bobstree2]

I make a census event for each family individual on the census,  I do NOT use 
Shared Events.  (I also add Residence and Occupation Events from the census, if 
listed).  Copy/Paste Events great tool! But I also download and save each 
census page as a PDF with OCR ability (Different programs to do that, suggest 
trying free utility, Greenshot. Many scanners have that option also.). All my 
records are in family subfolders for each surname, all under one Surname folder 
(Thanks Geoff!) .  My file naming method also includes a document TYPE code so 
I can easily identify Census records.  File naming format example:  
LASTNAME_FirstName_MMDD_TYPE_Location_misc. 
extATKINSON_Thomas_&_family_19200108_CEN_Somerville 
MA_p1of2.pdfSULLIVAN_Arthur_19200407_BIR_Somerville.pdfSHANNON_Robert_&_family_19400412_CEN_Chelsea
 MA.pdfO'CONNOR_James_&_EDWARDS_Catherine_19150418_MAR_Chelsea MA.pdfYou can 
see two Census, one Birth, one Marriage record .So with OCR ability, it is 
easier to scan electronically, vs.  manual reading.   But be prepared to miss 
some items due to quality of PDF, and handwriting.   OCR works best with typed 
characters.  And the naming convention makes it easy to know which files to 
scan. Just one set of tools that works for me, I am sure others will offer 
their methods. Good luck
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[johnbernacki1]

I agree with Chris, especially if your ancestors have non Anglo-Saxon/Celtic 
names. Family Search is generally better than the others. I think their staff 
are better trained at indexing names, including foreign ones.

John


From: Chris Hill 
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 7:15 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census

Hi 

I think the best way to do this type of search is directly in their website, 
and not through a search from Legacy.

Doing it yourself means that you have control on the search and can work 
through the records that are found. The same technique works against any of the 
websites that have access to census records - Ancestry, FindMyPast, MyHeritage 
etc. - but Family Search has the benefit of being free.

The risk with an automatic search is that it is dependent on the data that you 
have in Legacy, which might not relate to the way that the census records are 
written or indexed, so that you do not find the records that you are looking 
for. 

For an example, I was tracing a family in Cornwall and found 14 different 
versions of the family surname across census and BMD records. Doing it manually 
give you the option to control these searches.


Regards

Chris

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On Thu, 29 Aug 2019, 21:44 Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup, 
 wrote:

  Long time Family tree user and switched to Legacy 9 last year and really like 
it better than Family tree.
  I do struggle with searching census records with legacy 9 and family search.
  What is the best way to do the research. 
  Steve Ostheimer
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[Chris Hill]

Hi

I think the best way to do this type of search is directly in their
website, and not through a search from Legacy.

Doing it yourself means that you have control on the search and can work
through the records that are found. The same technique works against any of
the websites that have access to census records - Ancestry, FindMyPast,
MyHeritage etc. - but Family Search has the benefit of being free.

The risk with an automatic search is that it is dependent on the data that
you have in Legacy, which might not relate to the way that the census
records are written or indexed, so that you do not find the records that
you are looking for.

For an example, I was tracing a family in Cornwall and found 14 different
versions of the family surname across census and BMD records. Doing it
manually give you the option to control these searches.

Regards

Chris

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On Thu, 29 Aug 2019, 21:44 Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup, <
legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> wrote:

> Long time Family tree user and switched to Legacy 9 last year and really
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> I do struggle with searching census records with legacy 9 and family
> search.
> What is the best way to do the research.
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[LegacyUG] Census

[Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup]

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legacy 9 and family search.What is the best way to do the research. Steve 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census vs residence

[magnoliasouth]

I just wanted to add that Census records were simply for tax purposes and
statistics. I have a number of people who own land that crosses over into
two counties and some even three! One Census they're in one county and in
the next Census their in the other county, only to show back up in the
previous county, the next census! You see this kind of thing in remote
locations with farmers, which make up a large population back in the day.

For this reason, I am convinced that they told themselves they were able to
select their "residence" according to which post office was closest (well.
when there was even a post office at all), even if the home itself was in
the other county. I'm sure these bi-/tri-county dwellers didn't much care
about accuracy. Many were illiterate and were expected to work as men and
women at age 14, so did not get a lot of schooling.

I tend to use "residence" as a general term of locality rather than where
they were actually living. In fact, many may have land that they farm here
but have a home on another plot of land. When records use Census and
residence interchangeably, in my head, I just say 'locality'. Though, I
will record it as the record says. If it says Census then fine, if
residence, fine too. The only time I really make a distinction is when the
building still stands and I know where it is. Then don't even get me
started on land records! lol!

Cindy

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:02 PM  wrote:

> Rune,
>
>
>
> Very strange!  Note that the reported facts are not entirely consistent
> between the two censuses.  Since the Indianapolis ties (per a quick
> Ancestry search) appear much stronger than Atlanta, and the house there was
> owned as opposed to rented,  perhaps they were in the process of moving,
> but chose not to eventually?  Same dates for census might be explained by
> husband and wife temporarily living apart – but the wife is noted as the
> informant in both cases (“H”).  Very strange indeed!!
>
>
>
> Donald Quigley
>
> Safety Harbor, FL
>
> Quigley Doyle Family Tree <https://donquigley.net/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  *On
> Behalf Of *Rune Mattsson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 7, 2019 1:56 AM
> *To:* Legacy User Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Census vs residence
>
>
>
> @Gene & Don
>
> on April 10 for both
>
> Try for yourself:
>
> Do a search in the FamilySearch for Jack Robertson (Exact spelling) with
> place of birth Sweden
> Our hero will be on on the top
>
>
>
> Den tis 6 aug. 2019 kl 21:33 skrev :
>
> Could have been both.  What are the dates of the two events?
>
>
>
> Don Quigley
>
> 1207 Huntington Lane
>
> Safety Harbor, FL 34695
>
> (H) 727-330-7030
>
> (M) 925-367-5609
>
> dwq...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  *On
> Behalf Of *Rune Mattsson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 6, 2019 12:02 PM
> *To:* Legacy User Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Census vs residence
>
>
>
> have the same family listed in the 1930 census in two states with quite a
> long distance between (according to Google Map 490 miles)
>
> *Jack Robertson with wife Pauline and daughter Rosemary*
>
> They are listed in:
>
> *Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, United States*
>
> But also, in:
>
> *Atlanta, Fulton, Georgia, United States*
> So, where did they lived?
>
>
>
> Den tis 6 aug. 2019 kl 03:20 skrev Cathy Pinner :
>
> I agree with Christopher.
>
> It may be different in the US where some censuses give you information
> about the ownership etc but in the UK the census was taken over a
> weekend and you were enumerated where you were. You may only have been
> there on census night. Even if the whole family was at the same place,
> if they were poor they may have been somewhere else the following week.
>
> Cathy
> > Christopher Seward Sr. <mailto:csewar...@gmail.com>
> > Tuesday, 6 August 2019 1:47 AM
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > Technically speaking - a census is an event, that has both a residence
> > and a date (useful for getting approximate ages). It cannot be assumed
> > that the census residence is necessarily the residence of the person
> > on the census.
> >
> > My grandfather was a perfect example. He was down the street visiting
> > his grandparents when the census worker came by.  He was included in
> > the list of persons living in that home, but it as not his residence.
> > It just so happened that he was at HIS home when a census worker
> > stopped there.  He is listed on both records.
> >
> > All that to say this: A census is en event, but it is not always a
> > record of the person's residence.
> >
> > Christo

Re: [LegacyUG] Census vs residence

[dwqusc]

Rune,

 

Very strange!  Note that the reported facts are not entirely consistent between 
the two censuses.  Since the Indianapolis ties (per a quick Ancestry search) 
appear much stronger than Atlanta, and the house there was owned as opposed to 
rented,  perhaps they were in the process of moving, but chose not to 
eventually?  Same dates for census might be explained by husband and wife 
temporarily living apart – but the wife is noted as the informant in both cases 
(“H”).  Very strange indeed!!

 

Donald Quigley

Safety Harbor, FL

 <https://donquigley.net/> Quigley Doyle Family Tree

 

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Rune Mattsson
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 1:56 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census vs residence

 

@Gene & Don

on April 10 for both 

Try for yourself:

Do a search in the FamilySearch for Jack Robertson (Exact spelling) with place 
of birth Sweden
Our hero will be on on the top

 

Den tis 6 aug. 2019 kl 21:33 skrev mailto:dwq...@gmail.com> 
>:

Could have been both.  What are the dates of the two events?

 

Don Quigley

1207 Huntington Lane

Safety Harbor, FL 34695

(H) 727-330-7030

(M) 925-367-5609

 <mailto:dwq...@gmail.com> dwq...@gmail.com

 

From: LegacyUserGroup mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> > On Behalf Of Rune Mattsson
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 12:02 PM
To: Legacy User Group mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census vs residence

 

have the same family listed in the 1930 census in two states with quite a long 
distance between (according to Google Map 490 miles)

Jack Robertson with wife Pauline and daughter Rosemary

They are listed in:

Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, United States

But also, in:

Atlanta, Fulton, Georgia, United States
So, where did they lived?

 

Den tis 6 aug. 2019 kl 03:20 skrev Cathy Pinner mailto:genea...@gmail.com> >:

I agree with Christopher.

It may be different in the US where some censuses give you information 
about the ownership etc but in the UK the census was taken over a 
weekend and you were enumerated where you were. You may only have been 
there on census night. Even if the whole family was at the same place, 
if they were poor they may have been somewhere else the following week.

Cathy
> Christopher Seward Sr. <mailto:csewar...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:csewar...@gmail.com> >
> Tuesday, 6 August 2019 1:47 AM
>
> Steve,
>
> Technically speaking - a census is an event, that has both a residence 
> and a date (useful for getting approximate ages). It cannot be assumed 
> that the census residence is necessarily the residence of the person 
> on the census.
>
> My grandfather was a perfect example. He was down the street visiting 
> his grandparents when the census worker came by.  He was included in 
> the list of persons living in that home, but it as not his residence.  
> It just so happened that he was at HIS home when a census worker 
> stopped there.  He is listed on both records.
>
> All that to say this: A census is en event, but it is not always a 
> record of the person's residence.
>
> Christopher
>
> On 8/5/2019 11:19 AM, Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
>
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> <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >
> Tuesday, 6 August 2019 12:19 AM
> Legacy 9 Census vs residence
> *Legacy 9 searches FamilySearch and a lot of the census is listed as 
> residence*
> I have so many listed as residence and census, which is the 
> preferred thru the Legacy User Group
> IUt is going to take a lot of time away form research.
> Is they a way to change all residence to census.
> Thanks
> Steve Ostheimer
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census vs residence

[Rune Mattsson]

@Gene & Don

on April 10 for both

Try for yourself:

Do a search in the FamilySearch for Jack Robertson (Exact spelling) with
place of birth Sweden
Our hero will be on on the top

Den tis 6 aug. 2019 kl 21:33 skrev :

> Could have been both.  What are the dates of the two events?
>
>
>
> Don Quigley
>
> 1207 Huntington Lane
>
> Safety Harbor, FL 34695
>
> (H) 727-330-7030
>
> (M) 925-367-5609
>
> dwq...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  *On
> Behalf Of *Rune Mattsson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 6, 2019 12:02 PM
> *To:* Legacy User Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Census vs residence
>
>
>
> have the same family listed in the 1930 census in two states with quite a
> long distance between (according to Google Map 490 miles)
>
> *Jack Robertson with wife Pauline and daughter Rosemary*
>
> They are listed in:
>
> *Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, United States*
>
> But also, in:
>
> *Atlanta, Fulton, Georgia, United States*
> So, where did they lived?
>
>
>
> Den tis 6 aug. 2019 kl 03:20 skrev Cathy Pinner :
>
> I agree with Christopher.
>
> It may be different in the US where some censuses give you information
> about the ownership etc but in the UK the census was taken over a
> weekend and you were enumerated where you were. You may only have been
> there on census night. Even if the whole family was at the same place,
> if they were poor they may have been somewhere else the following week.
>
> Cathy
> > Christopher Seward Sr. <mailto:csewar...@gmail.com>
> > Tuesday, 6 August 2019 1:47 AM
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > Technically speaking - a census is an event, that has both a residence
> > and a date (useful for getting approximate ages). It cannot be assumed
> > that the census residence is necessarily the residence of the person
> > on the census.
> >
> > My grandfather was a perfect example. He was down the street visiting
> > his grandparents when the census worker came by.  He was included in
> > the list of persons living in that home, but it as not his residence.
> > It just so happened that he was at HIS home when a census worker
> > stopped there.  He is listed on both records.
> >
> > All that to say this: A census is en event, but it is not always a
> > record of the person's residence.
> >
> > Christopher
> >
> > On 8/5/2019 11:19 AM, Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
> >
> > <
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> >
> > Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup
> > <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
> > Tuesday, 6 August 2019 12:19 AM
> > Legacy 9 Census vs residence
> > *Legacy 9 searches FamilySearch and a lot of the census is listed as
> > residence*
> > I have so many listed as residence and census, which is the
> > preferred thru the Legacy User Group
> > IUt is going to take a lot of time away form research.
> > Is they a way to change all residence to census.
> > Thanks
> > Steve Ostheimer
> >
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census vs residence

[dwqusc]

Could have been both.  What are the dates of the two events?

 

Don Quigley

1207 Huntington Lane

Safety Harbor, FL 34695

(H) 727-330-7030

(M) 925-367-5609

 <mailto:dwq...@gmail.com> dwq...@gmail.com

 

From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Rune Mattsson
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 12:02 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census vs residence

 

have the same family listed in the 1930 census in two states with quite a long 
distance between (according to Google Map 490 miles)

Jack Robertson with wife Pauline and daughter Rosemary

They are listed in:

Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, United States

But also, in:

Atlanta, Fulton, Georgia, United States
So, where did they lived?

 

Den tis 6 aug. 2019 kl 03:20 skrev Cathy Pinner mailto:genea...@gmail.com> >:

I agree with Christopher.

It may be different in the US where some censuses give you information 
about the ownership etc but in the UK the census was taken over a 
weekend and you were enumerated where you were. You may only have been 
there on census night. Even if the whole family was at the same place, 
if they were poor they may have been somewhere else the following week.

Cathy
> Christopher Seward Sr. <mailto:csewar...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:csewar...@gmail.com> >
> Tuesday, 6 August 2019 1:47 AM
>
> Steve,
>
> Technically speaking - a census is an event, that has both a residence 
> and a date (useful for getting approximate ages). It cannot be assumed 
> that the census residence is necessarily the residence of the person 
> on the census.
>
> My grandfather was a perfect example. He was down the street visiting 
> his grandparents when the census worker came by.  He was included in 
> the list of persons living in that home, but it as not his residence.  
> It just so happened that he was at HIS home when a census worker 
> stopped there.  He is listed on both records.
>
> All that to say this: A census is en event, but it is not always a 
> record of the person's residence.
>
> Christopher
>
> On 8/5/2019 11:19 AM, Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
>
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> <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >
> Tuesday, 6 August 2019 12:19 AM
> Legacy 9 Census vs residence
> *Legacy 9 searches FamilySearch and a lot of the census is listed as 
> residence*
> I have so many listed as residence and census, which is the 
> preferred thru the Legacy User Group
> IUt is going to take a lot of time away form research.
> Is they a way to change all residence to census.
> Thanks
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census vs residence

[Rune Mattsson]

have the same family listed in the 1930 census in two states with quite a
long distance between (according to Google Map 490 miles)

*Jack Robertson with wife Pauline and daughter Rosemary*

They are listed in:

*Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, United States*

But also, in:

*Atlanta, Fulton, Georgia, United States*
So, where did they lived?

Den tis 6 aug. 2019 kl 03:20 skrev Cathy Pinner :

> I agree with Christopher.
>
> It may be different in the US where some censuses give you information
> about the ownership etc but in the UK the census was taken over a
> weekend and you were enumerated where you were. You may only have been
> there on census night. Even if the whole family was at the same place,
> if they were poor they may have been somewhere else the following week.
>
> Cathy
> > Christopher Seward Sr. 
> > Tuesday, 6 August 2019 1:47 AM
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > Technically speaking - a census is an event, that has both a residence
> > and a date (useful for getting approximate ages). It cannot be assumed
> > that the census residence is necessarily the residence of the person
> > on the census.
> >
> > My grandfather was a perfect example. He was down the street visiting
> > his grandparents when the census worker came by.  He was included in
> > the list of persons living in that home, but it as not his residence.
> > It just so happened that he was at HIS home when a census worker
> > stopped there.  He is listed on both records.
> >
> > All that to say this: A census is en event, but it is not always a
> > record of the person's residence.
> >
> > Christopher
> >
> > On 8/5/2019 11:19 AM, Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
> >
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> > I have so many listed as residence and census, which is the
> > preferred thru the Legacy User Group
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census vs residence

[Cathy Pinner]

I agree with Christopher.

It may be different in the US where some censuses give you information 
about the ownership etc but in the UK the census was taken over a 
weekend and you were enumerated where you were. You may only have been 
there on census night. Even if the whole family was at the same place, 
if they were poor they may have been somewhere else the following week.


Cathy

Christopher Seward Sr. 
Tuesday, 6 August 2019 1:47 AM

Steve,

Technically speaking - a census is an event, that has both a residence 
and a date (useful for getting approximate ages). It cannot be assumed 
that the census residence is necessarily the residence of the person 
on the census.


My grandfather was a perfect example. He was down the street visiting 
his grandparents when the census worker came by.  He was included in 
the list of persons living in that home, but it as not his residence.  
It just so happened that he was at HIS home when a census worker 
stopped there.  He is listed on both records.


All that to say this: A census is en event, but it is not always a 
record of the person's residence.


Christopher

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Tuesday, 6 August 2019 12:19 AM
Legacy 9 Census vs residence
*Legacy 9 searches FamilySearch and a lot of the census is listed as 
residence*
I have so many listed as residence and census, which is the 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census vs residence

[Christopher Seward Sr.]

Steve,

Technically speaking - a census is an event, that has both a residence 
and a date (useful for getting approximate ages). It cannot be assumed 
that the census residence is necessarily the residence of the person on 
the census.


My grandfather was a perfect example. He was down the street visiting 
his grandparents when the census worker came by.  He was included in the 
list of persons living in that home, but it as not his residence.  It 
just so happened that he was at HIS home when a census worker stopped 
there.  He is listed on both records.


All that to say this: A census is en event, but it is not always a 
record of the person's residence.


Christopher

On 8/5/2019 11:19 AM, Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup wrote:

Legacy 9 Census vs residence
*Legacy 9 searches FamilySearch and a lot of the census is listed as 
residence*
I have so many listed as residence and census, which is the 
preferred thru the Legacy User Group

IUt is going to take a lot of time away form research.
Is they a way to change all residence to census.
Thanks
Steve Ostheimer




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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[Holly Nelson]

Good thoughts!  I had to check the pregnancy angle, but sister Alice was
born in May 1921, and the census was done on 16 Jan 1920.  Too long for a
pregnancy, and I have never heard (or found evidence of) a miscarriage in
between.  They did lose their first child shortly after birth (1912), and
that is well documented, so I can see them being very cautious of any
pregnancy!

Still a mystery!  But thank you for your ideas!  Unfortunately, all the
siblings are now deceased, so I can't go back and ask questions of them!

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 7:52 AM, Cathy Pinner <genea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Holly,
>
> Was his mother pregnant? or just had a miscarriage? Enough reason for a
> friend to have her toddler.
> Then again, aren't American censuses copied from other sheets like English
> censuses? Easy to miss a child when copying especially if there is another
> person of the same name on the sheet?
>
> Cathy
>
> Holly Nelson wrote:
>
>
> Thanks to all for your responses.
>
> I was close to my grandparents, who lived in the house my father was
> born in until their deaths in 1971 and 1977. There were no family
> members nearby this small Indiana town, who might be babysitting for a
> 21 month old toddler. Perhaps neighbors? Possible, I guess. But it
> still seems that he would have been listed as a member of his parents
> household. (?)
>
> I never have heard of my father being a sick child. I have many
> pictures of him with parents at 1 and 2 years of age, and he certainly
> appears healthy.
>
> So it is a mystery, and I do love mysteries, so will continue to
> pursue. Thanks to all for enlarging my considerations!
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 17, 2018, at 5:32 AM, Carrie Pillow <elkerlo...@outlook.com
> <mailto:elkerlo...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
> I have had young children living with grand parents, Aunts and Uncles
>
> Carie
>
> *From:*LegacyUserGroup
> [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Martha Graham
> *Sent:* 16 January 2018 22:13
> *To:* Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
> <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Census
>
> Hi Holly,
>
> Many times a child will be visiting a neighbor, or other family
> member when the Census person comes knocking. Try alternative me thods
> for your Census search and see if you can find him.
>
> I would also make a note of his absence in the family home only after
> you find him elsewhere.
>
> Martha
>
> Los Osos, CA
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[sarah hughes]

Another time I found a Pinsent ancestor staying with her aunt and uncle on
census night, also by name of Pinsent, in a nearby Devon hamlet, but she
was listed as another of their children; hardly surprising with the same
surname and similar age. It took me ages to work out what had happened!

On 17 Jan 2018 1:52 p.m., "Cathy Pinner" <genea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Holly,
>
> Was his mother pregnant? or just had a miscarriage? Enough reason for a
> friend to have her toddler.
> Then again, aren't American censuses copied from other sheets like English
> censuses? Easy to miss a child when copying especially if there is another
> person of the same name on the sheet?
>
> Cathy
>
> Holly Nelson wrote:
>
>
> Thanks to all for your responses.
>
> I was close to my grandparents, who lived in the house my father was
> born in until their deaths in 1971 and 1977. There were no family
> members nearby this small Indiana town, who might be babysitting for a
> 21 month old toddler. Perhaps neighbors? Possible, I guess. But it
> still seems that he would have been listed as a member of his parents
> household. (?)
>
> I never have heard of my father being a sick child. I have many
> pictures of him with parents at 1 and 2 years of age, and he certainly
> appears healthy.
>
> So it is a mystery, and I do love mysteries, so will continue to
> pursue. Thanks to all for enlarging my considerations!
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 17, 2018, at 5:32 AM, Carrie Pillow <elkerlo...@outlook.com
> <mailto:elkerlo...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
> I have had young children living with grand parents, Aunts and Uncles
>
> Carie
>
> *From:*LegacyUserGroup
> [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Martha Graham
> *Sent:* 16 January 2018 22:13
> *To:* Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
> <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Census
>
> Hi Holly,
>
> Many times a child will be visiting a neighbor, or other family
> member when the Census person comes knocking. Try alternative me thods
> for your Census search and see if you can find him.
>
> I would also make a note of his absence in the family home only after
> you find him elsewhere.
>
> Martha
>
> Los Osos, CA
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[Cathy Pinner]

Holly,

Was his mother pregnant? or just had a miscarriage? Enough reason for a 
friend to have her toddler.
Then again, aren't American censuses copied from other sheets like 
English censuses? Easy to miss a child when copying especially if there 
is another person of the same name on the sheet?


Cathy

Holly Nelson wrote:


Thanks to all for your responses.

I was close to my grandparents, who lived in the house my father was
born in until their deaths in 1971 and 1977. There were no family
members nearby this small Indiana town, who might be babysitting for a
21 month old toddler. Perhaps neighbors? Possible, I guess. But it
still seems that he would have been listed as a member of his parents
household. (?)

I never have heard of my father being a sick child. I have many
pictures of him with parents at 1 and 2 years of age, and he certainly
appears healthy.

So it is a mystery, and I do love mysteries, so will continue to
pursue. Thanks to all for enlarging my considerations!


Sent from my iPad

On Jan 17, 2018, at 5:32 AM, Carrie Pillow <elkerlo...@outlook.com
<mailto:elkerlo...@outlook.com>> wrote:



Hi

I have had young children living with grand parents, Aunts and Uncles

Carie

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*Martha Graham
*Sent:* 16 January 2018 22:13
*To:* Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Census

Hi Holly,

Many times a child will be visiting a neighbor, or other family
member when the Census person comes knocking. Try alternative methods
for your Census search and see if you can find him.

I would also make a note of his absence in the family home only after
you find him elsewhere.

Martha

Los Osos, CA

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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[Holly Nelson]

Thanks to all for your responses.

I was close to my grandparents, who lived in the house my father was born in 
until their deaths in 1971 and 1977.   There were no family members nearby this 
small Indiana town, who might be babysitting for a 21 month old toddler.  
Perhaps neighbors?  Possible, I guess.  But it still seems that he would have 
been listed as a member of his parents household. (?)

I never have heard of my father being a sick child.  I have many pictures of 
him with parents at 1 and 2 years of age, and he certainly appears healthy.

So it is a mystery, and I do love mysteries, so will continue to pursue.  
Thanks to all for enlarging my considerations!


Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 2018, at 5:32 AM, Carrie Pillow <elkerlo...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi
>  
> I have had young children living with grand parents, Aunts and Uncles
>  
> Carie
>  
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Martha Graham
> Sent: 16 January 2018 22:13
> To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census
>  
> Hi Holly,
> Many times a child will be visiting a neighbor, or other family member when 
> the Census person comes knocking. Try alternative methods for your Census 
> search and see if you can find him.
>  
> I would also make a note of his absence in the family home only after you 
> find him elsewhere.
>  
> Martha
> Los Osos, CA
>  
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[Carrie Pillow]

Hi

I have had young children living with grand parents, Aunts and Uncles

Carie

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Martha Graham
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census

Hi Holly,
Many times a child will be visiting a neighbor, or other family member when the 
Census person comes knocking. Try alternative methods for your Census search 
and see if you can find him.

I would also make a note of his absence in the family home only after you find 
him elsewhere.

Martha
Los Osos, CA


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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[sarah hughes]

I agree with that. I used to find family members at the "wrong" address so
many times on census night, I almost thought they were doing it
deliberately!

On 16 Jan 2018 10:14 p.m., "Martha Graham"  wrote:

> Hi Holly,
> Many times a child will be visiting a neighbor, or other family member
> when the Census person comes knocking. Try alternative methods for your
> Census search and see if you can find him.
>
> I would also make a note of his absence in the family home only after you
> find him elsewhere.
>
> Martha
> Los Osos, CA
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[Donna Potter Phillips]

Holly, my thoughts are 2-fold. First where was he/mom living when the 1920
census taker knocked on the door? Or, #2, sometimes when a child was so
very sickly that it was feared they might die sooner than later, less
attention was paid to it. Sounds brutal but sometimes it was so.  Or maybe
it was just a great big oversight.   Good luck, Donna



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wrote:

> I have an unusual question.  My father was born in 1918 (I have his birth
> certificate, and mutiple corroborations of this).  He appears with his
> family on the 1930 and 1940 census, but is not listed on the 1920 census.
> His parents are there, as well as his older brothers.
>
> My thoughts about how to handle this are to make an event for the 1920
> census (that is how I handle all the census reports) and note that he is
> not listed on it, though parents and older siblings are.
>
> Is there a better way to note this apparent error?
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[Cathy Pinner]

Holly,

I've made use of the Event Census Sentence Definitions and use the 
option without entering a place for this situation.
My great grandfather wasn't with his family and I haven't been able to 
find him elsewhere.

I have for the sentence with Desc and Date but no Place
For the census [onDate] [FirstHeShe] [Desc].[Sources][:if 
[Notes]::[CR][Notes]]

For my great grandfather this reads:
"For the census on 06 Jun 1841 he was not at home and has not been found 
elsewhere."
The Event Notes detail my searches but mostly in Privacy Brackets. He 
was only 8 and one of his younger sisters is also missing though I may 
have found her with friends. She has a more unusual name. Common surname.
I don't think they were just missed out as their father was the 
Enumerator for the neighbouring district so I'm sure he would have 
filled out the schedule form for his own family himself.


Cathy

Leonard J. McCown wrote:


*Holly, I have made notes like this with the county, etc., so that
after I am gone someone knows that I had looked for him and he was not
there. ALSO, birth certificates can be wrong. If his bc was a delayed
one, it is not difficult to get someone to sign saying they knew that
this date was his birthdate.*

**

*My Dad was born in 1918 and I have him up to 1940 and cannot find him
there! Good luck. Leonard*

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Nelson
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*Subject:* [LegacyUG] Census

I have an unusual question. My father was born in 1918 (I have his
birth certificate, and mutiple corroborations of this). He appears
with his family on the 1930 and 1940 census, but is not listed on the
1920 census. His parents are there, as well as his older brothers.

My thoughts about how to handle this are to make an event for the 1920
census (that is how I handle all the census reports) and note that he
is not listed on it, though parents and older siblings are.

Is there a better way to note this apparent error?

Holly
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[Leonard J. McCown]

Holly, I have made notes like this with the county, etc., so that after I am 
gone someone knows that I had looked for him and he was not there. ALSO, birth 
certificates can be wrong. If his bc was a delayed one, it is not difficult to 
get someone to sign saying they knew that this date was his birthdate.

 

My Dad was born in 1918 and I have him up to 1940 and cannot find him there! 
Good luck. Leonard

 

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Census

 

I have an unusual question.  My father was born in 1918 (I have his birth 
certificate, and mutiple corroborations of this).  He appears with his family 
on the 1930 and 1940 census, but is not listed on the 1920 census.  His parents 
are there, as well as his older brothers.

 

My thoughts about how to handle this are to make an event for the 1920 census 
(that is how I handle all the census reports) and note that he is not listed on 
it, though parents and older siblings are.

 

Is there a better way to note this apparent error?

 

Holly

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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[Martha Graham]

Hi Holly,
Many times a child will be visiting a neighbor, or other family member 
when the Census person comes knocking. Try alternative methods for your 
Census search and see if you can find him.


I would also make a note of his absence in the family home only after 
you find him elsewhere.


Martha
Los Osos, CA

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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[Valerie Garton]

Is it an error - perhaps the child was with other members of the family or in 
hospital ?

 

Cheers from Valerie Garton [nee Vaughan] in sunny Sydney A086848, FTDNA & 
gedmatch

 

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Census

 

I have an unusual question.  My father was born in 1918 (I have his birth 
certificate, and mutiple corroborations of this).  He appears with his family 
on the 1930 and 1940 census, but is not listed on the 1920 census.  His parents 
are there, as well as his older brothers.

 

My thoughts about how to handle this are to make an event for the 1920 census 
(that is how I handle all the census reports) and note that he is not listed on 
it, though parents and older siblings are.

 

Is there a better way to note this apparent error?

 

Holly

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[LegacyUG] Census

[Holly Nelson]

I have an unusual question.  My father was born in 1918 (I have his birth
certificate, and mutiple corroborations of this).  He appears with his
family on the 1930 and 1940 census, but is not listed on the 1920 census.
His parents are there, as well as his older brothers.

My thoughts about how to handle this are to make an event for the 1920
census (that is how I handle all the census reports) and note that he is
not listed on it, though parents and older siblings are.

Is there a better way to note this apparent error?

Holly
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Re: [LegacyUG] census entry for indian territory

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There were schedules for agriculture and manufacturing, I believe.
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A little further digging seems to reveal that this is a federal census 
"population schedule" - with that template to be used (for the year 
1900); the actual census page shows "Indian Territory" as the state and 
"Creek Nation" as the county, so that's what I've entered.  It does make 
me curious  though as to what those other two schedules are used for.

Barton


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> I found a relative who is living in the 1900 census in "Township 16, 
> Creek Nation, Indian Territory."  I typically create a census source 
> from the SourceWriter using the Source Template Index where I select 
> the applicable year.  For 1900, there were 2 additional options: 
> "Census records>United States>Federal census records>1900 Native 
> American schedule>Online database" and "Native American records>Census 
> records>1900 federal>Online database."  Neither of these generated a 
> pre-populated initial source page with the "Census ID", "Publisher" 
> and "Series" fields as when selecting a "population schedule" for any 
> given year for the US federal census; when proceeding to the second 
> (source detail) page, there were no fields for the Roll or Enumeration 
> District, as provided in the Ancestry record, but rather "item of 
> interest" and "date accessed" fields associated with a generic 
> database source.  What is the proper master source for these native 
> American schedules - and which provide for the inclusion of the roll, 
> enumeration district and other data associated with the record?
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Re: [LegacyUG] census entry for indian territory

[BARTON LEWIS]

A little further digging seems to reveal that this is a federal census 
"population schedule" - with that template to be used (for the year 
1900); the actual census page shows "Indian Territory" as the state and 
"Creek Nation" as the county, so that's what I've entered.  It does make 
me curious  though as to what those other two schedules are used for.


Barton


On Wed, Sep 07, 2016 at 10:59 PM, BARTON LEWIS wrote:

I found a relative who is living in the 1900 census in "Township 16, 
Creek Nation, Indian Territory."  I typically create a census source 
from the SourceWriter using the Source Template Index where I select 
the applicable year.  For 1900, there were 2 additional options: 
"Census records>United States>Federal census records>1900 Native 
American schedule>Online database" and "Native American records>Census 
records>1900 federal>Online database."  Neither of these generated a 
pre-populated initial source page with the "Census ID", "Publisher" 
and "Series" fields as when selecting a "population schedule" for any 
given year for the US federal census; when proceeding to the second 
(source detail) page, there were no fields for the Roll or Enumeration 
District, as provided in the Ancestry record, but rather "item of 
interest" and "date accessed" fields associated with a generic 
database source.  What is the proper master source for these native 
American schedules - and which provide for the inclusion of the roll, 
enumeration district and other data associated with the record?


Thanks,

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[LegacyUG] census entry for indian territory

[BARTON LEWIS]

I found a relative who is living in the 1900 census in "Township 16, 
Creek Nation, Indian Territory."  I typically create a census source 
from the SourceWriter using the Source Template Index where I select the 
applicable year.  For 1900, there were 2 additional options: "Census 
records>United States>Federal census records>1900 Native American 
schedule>Online database" and "Native American records>Census 
records>1900 federal>Online database."  Neither of these generated a 
pre-populated initial source page with the "Census ID", "Publisher" and 
"Series" fields as when selecting a "population schedule" for any given 
year for the US federal census; when proceeding to the second (source 
detail) page, there were no fields for the Roll or Enumeration District, 
as provided in the Ancestry record, but rather "item of interest" and 
"date accessed" fields associated with a generic database source.  What 
is the proper master source for these native American schedules - and 
which provide for the inclusion of the roll, enumeration district and 
other data associated with the record?


Thanks,

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[LegacyUG] Census Dates

[Martha Graham]

I have appreciated the different ideas about what date to use for Census 
data in Events.
And I have to agree with what John shared as that is what I do. I record 
the date the Enumerator was at the door. I have many instances of 
children and other family members being in 'two places at once' which 
would occur if I used the 'official date'.


Thanks to all for sharing.

Martha
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Source citations

[Cathy Pinner]

Pat,
No source detail appears in a Bibliography - only the Master Source.

If you really mean the Source Citations in a report, then note on the 
Source Detail screens that there are checkboxes for each section to 
indicate whether you want them included or not.


In Options - Customise - Sources 7.3 you can reset these for the whole 
database by choosing your option and clicking the Apply button next to it.


Cathy

Pat Hickin wrote:


In the details portion of source citations, I put the image and page
number, and I want those to appear in the bibliography. Under the
"Text/Comments" tab I put the url of the image, which I do _not_ want
in the bibliography.
Is it possible to get one without the other?

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[LegacyUG] Census Source citations

[Pat Hickin]

In the details portion of source citations, I put the image and page
number, and I want those to appear in the bibliography. Under the
"Text/Comments" tab I put the url of the image, which I do *not* want in
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Is it possible to get one without the other?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

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That's the right link.
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Does anyone have a link for FreeClip? I'd like to check it out. Is this it? M8 
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Thanks for the tip on FreeClip. I love it.
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On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 5:37 AM, Jenny M Benson <ge...@cedarbank.me.uk> wrote:

On 09/04/2016 03:23, Steve Hayes wrote:

The question was how to get LEGACY to automatically put the date in for
everyone who appeared in the English 1891 census.


Easy enough if you have a separate Event for each Census: simply modify the 
Sentence so it includes 05 April 1891 (or whichever) in place of .

Personally, I have one Event named "England Census" (and one for "England 
Census - Vessels" but that's beside the point!) but I keep a permanent list of 
the Census dates, and other frequently used text, in a little program called 
FreeClip which I *highly* recommend.  It saves me hours of time in data entry.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

[Dale McIntyre]

Ed

That's the right link.

Dale McIntyre



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> On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 5:37 AM, Jenny M Benson <ge...@cedarbank.me.uk>
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> On 09/04/2016 03:23, Steve Hayes wrote:
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> The question was how to get LEGACY to automatically put the date in for
> everyone who appeared in the English 1891 census.
>
>
> Easy enough if you have a separate Event for each Census: simply modify
> the Sentence so it includes 05 April 1891 (or whichever) in place of .
>
> Personally, I have one Event named "England Census" (and one for "England
> Census - Vessels" but that's beside the point!) but I keep a permanent list
> of the Census dates, and other frequently used text, in a little program
> called FreeClip which I *highly* recommend.  It saves me hours of time in
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

[Jane Linkswiler]

I'll have to take a look at FreeClip. I recently discovered Notepad for this
kind of purpose and have all sorts of lists and notes in Notepad files on my
Google Drive. I'm still pleased everytime think about it and wish I had
thought of it a dozen years ago. Or more.

Jane in Phoenix

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On 09/04/2016 03:23, Steve Hayes wrote:
> The question was how to get LEGACY to automatically put the date in 
> for everyone who appeared in the English 1891 census.

Easy enough if you have a separate Event for each Census: simply modify the
Sentence so it includes 05 April 1891 (or whichever) in place of .

Personally, I have one Event named "England Census" (and one for "England
Census - Vessels" but that's beside the point!) but I keep a permanent list
of the Census dates, and other frequently used text, in a little program
called FreeClip which I *highly* recommend.  It saves me hours of time in
data entry.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

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Thanks for the tip on FreeClip. I love it.
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On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 5:37 AM, Jenny M Benson  wrote:

On 09/04/2016 03:23, Steve Hayes wrote:

The question was how to get LEGACY to automatically put the date in for
everyone who appeared in the English 1891 census.


Easy enough if you have a separate Event for each Census: simply modify the 
Sentence so it includes 05 April 1891 (or whichever) in place of .

Personally, I have one Event named "England Census" (and one for "England 
Census - Vessels" but that's beside the point!) but I keep a permanent list of 
the Census dates, and other frequently used text, in a little program called 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

[Dale McIntyre]

Jenny

Thanks for the tip on FreeClip. I love it.

Dale McIntyre

On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 5:37 AM, Jenny M Benson 
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> On 09/04/2016 03:23, Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>> The question was how to get LEGACY to automatically put the date in for
>> everyone who appeared in the English 1891 census.
>>
>
> Easy enough if you have a separate Event for each Census: simply modify
> the Sentence so it includes 05 April 1891 (or whichever) in place of .
>
> Personally, I have one Event named "England Census" (and one for "England
> Census - Vessels" but that's beside the point!) but I keep a permanent list
> of the Census dates, and other frequently used text, in a little program
> called FreeClip which I *highly* recommend.  It saves me hours of time in
> data entry.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

[Jenny M Benson]

On 09/04/2016 03:23, Steve Hayes wrote:

The question was how to get LEGACY to automatically put the date in for
everyone who appeared in the English 1891 census.


Easy enough if you have a separate Event for each Census: simply modify 
the Sentence so it includes 05 April 1891 (or whichever) in place of .


Personally, I have one Event named "England Census" (and one for 
"England Census - Vessels" but that's beside the point!) but I keep a 
permanent list of the Census dates, and other frequently used text, in a 
little program called FreeClip which I *highly* recommend.  It saves me 
hours of time in data entry.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

[Mike Fry]

In general, that is the correct answer. 1841 is the earliest census available 
to the general public. However, there are the odd survivals from earlier 
censuses. For example, there is a transcription of the 1831 census for the 
Essex village of Steeple Bumpstead.

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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

On 9 Apr 2016 at 10:33, Helen McCall wrote:

> I'm confused - I thought the first census was 1841.  Where do you access the
> earlier ones?

You don't. The returns were destroyed after statistical data had been 
abstracted. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

[Steve Hayes]

On 9 Apr 2016 at 10:33, Helen McCall wrote:

> I'm confused - I thought the first census was 1841.  Where do you access the
> earlier ones?

You don't. The returns were destroyed after statistical data had been 
abstracted. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

[Steve Hayes]

On 8 Apr 2016 at 17:31, Joyce Herzog wrote:

> Here's a list I made for myself.
> 
> UK Census Year Date
> 1801 3/10/1801

Yes, but the question was not what the date is.

The question was how to get LEGACY to automatically put the date in for 
everyone who appeared in the English 1891 census. 

Perhaps the question needs to be clarified a bit. I am not sure if the OP was 
asking for Legacy to create a census event for people, or to calculate a date 
of birth. 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

[Bob Jones]

Thanks, Joyce - that will be very useful

bob jones
> On Apr 8, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Joyce Herzog <joyce.her...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Here's a list I made for myself.
> 
> UK Census Year Date
> 1801 3/10/1801
> 1811 5/27/1811
> 1821 28 May 1821
> 1831 30 May 1831
> 1841 7 June 1841
> 1851 31 March 1851
> 1861 8 April 1861
> 1871 3 April 1871
> 1881 4 April 1881
> 1891 6 April 1891
> 1901 31-Mar-01
> 1911 2-Apr-11
> 
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Ken <genfol...@rogers.com> wrote:
>> Just google
>> UK Census dates
>> and voila!
>> 
>> Edna – Ottawa
>> 
>> From: June
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 11:31 PM
>> To: 'Legacy User Group'
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates
>> 
>> 
>> Sorry I should have said English. For example I have several hundred people
>> where I have entered details of the 1891 UK Census but have not put the date
>> in. I like to have the date as it then calculates age and puts events in
>> order.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At the moment I am going through each person individually, checking if they
>> have the 1891 census, then bringing it up and putting in the date.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I was hoping there would be a way to go to the Master event list of
>> something and put in the date so that when I close it it will put the date
>> in everyone who has that event.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks – June
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
>> Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
>> Sent: Thursday, 10 March 2016 2:21 PM
>> To: Legacy User Group
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> June,
>> 
>> Are you talking American Censuses where the date is different for each entry
>> or English censuses where the date is the same for a census year?
>> 
>> If the latter, you can make the process faster by creating a search list for
>> the Event and then using the Repeat function of clicking on the date label
>> to enter the actual date.
>> 
>> Cathy
>> 
>> June wrote:
>> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

[Ros Haywood]

Thanks for that, Joyce.  Very useful.

Ros Haywood

On 08/04/2016 22:31, Joyce Herzog wrote:

Here's a list I made for myself.

UK Census Year Date
1801 3/10/1801
1811 5/27/1811
1821 28 May 1821
1831 30 May 1831
1841 7 June 1841
1851 31 March 1851
1861 8 April 1861
1871 3 April 1871
1881 4 April 1881
1891 6 April 1891
1901 31-Mar-01
1911 2-Apr-11


Enjoy!

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Ken <genfol...@rogers.com> wrote:

Just google
UK Census dates
and voila!

Edna – Ottawa

From: June
Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 11:31 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates


Sorry I should have said English. For example I have several hundred people
where I have entered details of the 1891 UK Census but have not put the date
in. I like to have the date as it then calculates age and puts events in
order.



At the moment I am going through each person individually, checking if they
have the 1891 census, then bringing it up and putting in the date.



I was hoping there would be a way to go to the Master event list of
something and put in the date so that when I close it it will put the date
in everyone who has that event.



Thanks – June



From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Thursday, 10 March 2016 2:21 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates



June,

Are you talking American Censuses where the date is different for each entry
or English censuses where the date is the same for a census year?

If the latter, you can make the process faster by creating a search list for
the Event and then using the Repeat function of clicking on the date label
to enter the actual date.

Cathy

June wrote:


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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

[Joyce Herzog]

Here's a list I made for myself.

UK Census Year Date
1801 3/10/1801
1811 5/27/1811
1821 28 May 1821
1831 30 May 1831
1841 7 June 1841
1851 31 March 1851
1861 8 April 1861
1871 3 April 1871
1881 4 April 1881
1891 6 April 1891
1901 31-Mar-01
1911 2-Apr-11


Enjoy!

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Ken <genfol...@rogers.com> wrote:
> Just google
> UK Census dates
> and voila!
>
> Edna – Ottawa
>
> From: June
> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 11:31 PM
> To: 'Legacy User Group'
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates
>
>
> Sorry I should have said English. For example I have several hundred people
> where I have entered details of the 1891 UK Census but have not put the date
> in. I like to have the date as it then calculates age and puts events in
> order.
>
>
>
> At the moment I am going through each person individually, checking if they
> have the 1891 census, then bringing it up and putting in the date.
>
>
>
> I was hoping there would be a way to go to the Master event list of
> something and put in the date so that when I close it it will put the date
> in everyone who has that event.
>
>
>
> Thanks – June
>
>
>
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
> Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
> Sent: Thursday, 10 March 2016 2:21 PM
> To: Legacy User Group
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates
>
>
>
> June,
>
> Are you talking American Censuses where the date is different for each entry
> or English censuses where the date is the same for a census year?
>
> If the latter, you can make the process faster by creating a search list for
> the Event and then using the Repeat function of clicking on the date label
> to enter the actual date.
>
> Cathy
>
> June wrote:
>
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[LegacyUG] Census Dates

[Ken]

Just google
UK Census dates
and voila!

Edna – Ottawa

From: June 
Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 11:31 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

Sorry I should have said English. For example I have several hundred people 
where I have entered details of the 1891 UK Census but have not put the date 
in. I like to have the date as it then calculates age and puts events in order.

 

At the moment I am going through each person individually, checking if they 
have the 1891 census, then bringing it up and putting in the date.

 

I was hoping there would be a way to go to the Master event list of something 
and put in the date so that when I close it it will put the date in everyone 
who has that event.

 

Thanks – June

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Thursday, 10 March 2016 2:21 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

 

June,

Are you talking American Censuses where the date is different for each entry or 
English censuses where the date is the same for a census year?

If the latter, you can make the process faster by creating a search list for 
the Event and then using the Repeat function of clicking on the date label to 
enter the actual date.

Cathy

June wrote:






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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

[June]

Thanks Cathy I will try that.

 

I did try the other way but it didn’t work so will have a go at this.

 

If unsuccessful – then will just slowly go through them and make the change.

 

Kind regards - June

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
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Sent: Thursday, 10 March 2016 3:02 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

 

June,
To get the age calculated and the order right in the chronology, you have to 
have the date in the date field, so other work around solutions won't work.
I've found a way using Search and Replace to replace a blank date field but I 
don't think you're going to get enough information on the screen to be able to 
decide if it's one you want to fill or not. You're just told it's a census. 
If you did an Event report just for census (From View - Master Lists - Event 
... - tag Census and do the report for only tagged events) that would help 
unless you'd entered more than one census for the person. Save the report as a 
pdf so you can search it to check as you do the search and replace. It may be 
quicker.

Anyway, in case you can use it,
Search > Search and Replace
Find where: Dates-Event
Find what: [don't enter anything]
Replace with: 5 Apr 1891

It tells you which Event it's found with a blank date so you can skip those 
that aren't Census and check those that are Census.

Cathy




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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

[Cathy Pinner]

June,
To get the age calculated and the order right in the chronology, you 
have to have the date in the date field, so other work around solutions 
won't work.
I've found a way using Search and Replace to replace a blank date field 
but I don't think you're going to get enough information on the screen 
to be able to decide if it's one you want to fill or not. You're just 
told it's a census.
If you did an Event report just for census (From View - Master Lists - 
Event ... - tag Census and do the report for only tagged events) that 
would help unless you'd entered more than one census for the person. 
Save the report as a pdf so you can search it to check as you do the 
search and replace. It may be quicker.


Anyway, in case you can use it,
Search > Search and Replace
Find where: Dates-Event
Find what: [don't enter anything]
Replace with: 5 Apr 1891

It tells you which Event it's found with a blank date so you can skip 
those that aren't Census and check those that are Census.


Cathy

June wrote:


Sorry I should have said English. For example I have several hundred
people where I have entered details of the 1891 UK Census but have not
put the date in. I like to have the date as it then calculates age and
puts events in order.

At the moment I am going through each person individually, checking if
they have the 1891 census, then bringing it up and putting in the date.

I was hoping there would be a way to go to the Master event list of
something and put in the date so that when I close it it will put the
date in everyone who has that event.

Thanks – June

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Pinner
*Sent:* Thursday, 10 March 2016 2:21 PM
*To:* Legacy User Group
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

June,

Are you talking American Censuses where the date is different for each
entry or English censuses where the date is the same for a census year?

If the latter, you can make the process faster by creating a search
list for the Event and then using the Repeat function of clicking on
the date label to enter the actual date.

Cathy

June wrote:
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

[June]

Thanks Wendy - sounds like this will work. 

Kind regards - June 

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Behalf Of Wendy Howard
Sent: Thursday, 10 March 2016 2:42 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

Hi June,

Are all your Census Events - as entered at the moment - for the same Census
(ie country/state/whatever) and year?  Such as 1861 England Census, or 1920
US Census, etc.

If they are, then you could go to the Event Definition (View > Master Lists
> Event Definitions...) and edit your census event for that one instance,
and it will change all current events.

When you want to start entering events for other years/places, you can
create a new Event Definition for that particular situation.

I prefer to have just one Event Definition for census entries, and I put the
year in the Date field, along with a description of the person from the
census data (eg, "10-year-old scholar born in Yorkshire", or "45-year-old
weaver").

Once you decide how you're going to handle this, if it's a big job to make
the changes you want you can tag everyone using the census event, then as
you update your census events for each person to your liking untag them
again. Those who are tagged at any time still need work, and are quickly
found by searching on that tag - so you can go off and work on other people
and come back to your tagged ones any time.

Hope this helps.  :-)

Wendy


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[Wendy Howard]

Hi June,

Are all your Census Events - as entered at the moment - for the same 
Census (ie country/state/whatever) and year?  Such as 1861 England 
Census, or 1920 US Census, etc.


If they are, then you could go to the Event Definition (View > Master 
Lists > Event Definitions...) and edit your census event for that one 
instance, and it will change all current events.


When you want to start entering events for other years/places, you can 
create a new Event Definition for that particular situation.


I prefer to have just one Event Definition for census entries, and I put 
the year in the Date field, along with a description of the person from 
the census data (eg, "10-year-old scholar born in Yorkshire", or 
"45-year-old weaver").


Once you decide how you're going to handle this, if it's a big job to 
make the changes you want you can tag everyone using the census event, 
then as you update your census events for each person to your liking 
untag them again. Those who are tagged at any time still need work, and 
are quickly found by searching on that tag - so you can go off and work 
on other people and come back to your tagged ones any time.


Hope this helps.  :-)

Wendy

June wrote on 10/03/2016 14:53:

When I initially started entering census information through 'Events' I did
not put the date of the census.

I now have hundreds of entries I would like to put the dates on but it's
taking ages doing them individually.

Is there a way I can edit the event and put the date in so that it will
apply to all those entries in my file.

I've looked at the help file but with had no luck.

Thank you - June


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[June]

Sorry I should have said English. For example I have several hundred people 
where I have entered details of the 1891 UK Census but have not put the date 
in. I like to have the date as it then calculates age and puts events in order.

 

At the moment I am going through each person individually, checking if they 
have the 1891 census, then bringing it up and putting in the date.

 

I was hoping there would be a way to go to the Master event list of something 
and put in the date so that when I close it it will put the date in everyone 
who has that event.

 

Thanks – June

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Thursday, 10 March 2016 2:21 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

 

June,

Are you talking American Censuses where the date is different for each entry or 
English censuses where the date is the same for a census year?

If the latter, you can make the process faster by creating a search list for 
the Event and then using the Repeat function of clicking on the date label to 
enter the actual date.

Cathy

June wrote:



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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

[Cathy Pinner]

June,

Are you talking American Censuses where the date is different for each 
entry or English censuses where the date is the same for a census year?


If the latter, you can make the process faster by creating a search list 
for the Event and then using the Repeat function of clicking on the date 
label to enter the actual date.


Cathy

June wrote:


When I initially started entering census information through 'Events' 
I did

not put the date of the census.

I now have hundreds of entries I would like to put the dates on but it's
taking ages doing them individually.

Is there a way I can edit the event and put the date in so that it will
apply to all those entries in my file.

I've looked at the help file but with had no luck.

Thank you - June

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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

[sarahlange]

I put my census in under events as follows:Use "Census" as EventFor
Description I use "Household of John Doe"Date: Just year of
censusLocation: Location
By adding the household name under description, it prints a nice
sentence on your family group sheet like:"She was listed on the 1930
census in the household of John Doe in Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA."
Let's you see immediately when she left home and got married.
Sarah

-From: "Martha Graham" 
To: "Legacy User Group"
Cc: 
Sent: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 02:42:44 +
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

 Hi June,
 Interesting question and I'll bet there are others who did not enter 
 dates.

 Most of the Census takers did not work in the winter months.

 I use Census for the Event,
 Then for the description I put in "1850 Federal"
 Then I put in the actual date located at the top of the Census Sheet
 Then the location.

 So each year is a specific event, which makes searching for a
particular 
 year Census event easy.
 If you have done as I listed above, you might be able to edit the 
 individual event to include a range of dates:
 Sorta like this: 1 Mar 1850 > 31 Nov 1850

 This should change each person's information who has a Census record
for 
 1850.
 The other option would be to eliminate the date field.

 Hope this helps,
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

[Martha Graham]

Hi June,
Interesting question and I'll bet there are others who did not enter 
dates.


Most of the Census takers did not work in the winter months.

I use Census for the Event,
Then for the description I put in "1850 Federal"
Then I put in the actual date located at the top of the Census Sheet
Then the location.

So each year is a specific event, which makes searching for a particular 
year Census event easy.
If you have done as I listed above, you might be able to edit the 
individual event to include a range of dates:

Sorta like this: 1 Mar 1850 > 31 Nov 1850

This should change each person's information who has a Census record for 
1850.

The other option would be to eliminate the date field.

Hope this helps,
Martha


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[LegacyUG] Census Dates

[June]

When I initially started entering census information through 'Events' I did
not put the date of the census.

I now have hundreds of entries I would like to put the dates on but it's
taking ages doing them individually.

Is there a way I can edit the event and put the date in so that it will
apply to all those entries in my file.

I've looked at the help file but with had no luck.

Thank you - June


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Re: [LegacyUG] Census description field

[Cathy Pinner]

Steve,
The default census sentence definitions have been designed with the US
census in mind. They have State and Federal censuses.
My census entries are mainly English.

You can change the sentence definition to suit your use of the
Description field. Just click the Edit Event Sentence Definition button.
This changes the Master definition of that event. If you want to just
change one person's sentence, you use the Sentence Override.

I have one sentence for when the person is the head of household when I
leave the description field blank. So for only date and place filled I use:
[FirstHeShe] was recorded on the census of [Date] [inPlace] as head of
household.[Sources][:if [Notes]::[CR][Notes]]
the fancy bit at the end is so that Notes start on a new line.
You could just have
[FirstHeShe] was recorded on the census of [Date] [inPlace] as head of
household.
and Sources and Notes are controlled by other choices in the Report/Output.

I use the Description field for head of household and relationship to
head. eg: James Cooper, her father or James Cooper as butler.
My sentence for that is:
[FirstHeShe] was recorded on the census of [Date] [atPlace] in the
household of [Desc].[Sources][:if [Notes]::[CR][Notes]]

Summary: Use the Description field however you like so long as you're
consistent and edit the sentences to suit.

Hope that helps,
Cathy


Steve Hayes wrote:
>
> What is the purpose of the census description field?
>
> I have used it to put the description of the person in the census, but
> this
> produces weird results in reports, like this:
>
> "He appeared on the Scholar aged 3, born Essex, Colchester census in
> 1851 in
> Colchester, Essex, England."
>
> I suppose one could put in the date and place of the census, but this
> would
> simply duplicate the information in the date and place fields.
>
>
>




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Re: [LegacyUG] Census description field

[Leon Chapman]

If I assume you are talking about the Description field of a Census Event,
I always leave it blank.
I normally create an Occupation Event for the person based upon the Census
and use the Description field as such:  Farmer, Coal Miner, Grocery Storage
Merchant, Carpenter.

The Occupation Event would read like this:

He worked as a Carpenter on 21 Aug 1850 in Hocking, Athens Co, OH, USA.

For a Residence Event, I would use the street address in the Description
event.

In many cases, you don't have to use the Description field and that is OK.

Chap





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On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 11:20 PM, Steve Hayes  wrote:

> What is the purpose of the census description field?
>
> I have used it to put the description of the person in the census, but this
> produces weird results in reports, like this:
>
> "He appeared on the Scholar aged 3, born Essex, Colchester census in 1851
> in
> Colchester, Essex, England."
>
> I suppose one could put in the date and place of the census, but this would
> simply duplicate the information in the date and place fields.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Keep well,
> Steve Hayes
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> Web:http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm
> E-mail: sha...@dunelm.org.uk
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census description field

[Jenny M Benson]

On 02/01/2016 06:20, Steve Hayes wrote:
> What is the purpose of the census description field?
>
> I have used it to put the description of the person in the census, but this
> produces weird results in reports, like this:
>
> "He appeared on the Scholar aged 3, born Essex, Colchester census in 1851 in
> Colchester, Essex, England."
>
> I suppose one could put in the date and place of the census, but this would
> simply duplicate the information in the date and place fields.

It's purpose is really whatever you want it to be!  If you find the
default Sentence doesn't suit your purposes you can change it.

I use the Description field to enter all the details of the relevant
individual as given in the Census, then use the Notes field to list the
other members of the household.  In a Report this reads like this:

England Census:  on 3 April 1881 he was enumerated at 26 Lower Road,
Erith, Kent, England as Arthur John Dodd; head of household; married;
aged 24; born in Poplar, Middlesex; Manager at Oil Refinery.
The household comprised Arthur John Dodd & his wife Elizabeth Charlotte
Cooper, their children Arthur Dodd & Edith Mary Dodd and a Domestic
Servant.

(The heading "England Census" and in the Notes the names of all
household members who have an entry in my family file are bolded.)

--
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Re: RE: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source

[gerald]

"Marriage" is an all-emcompassing word. If you are speaking of the marriage CEREMONY, that is an event. It took place at a certain date and place. The marriage CERTIFFICATE is a source document, as a record of the event. But we tend to lump it all into one term as "marrriage" and we understand the meaning (usually) in context. The same with "census" -- is it the census taking, or the census report you mean? The census taking took place long ago (on one date and place), an event which is now recorded and referenced in the census report. Again, we tend to lump it all into one term. Ah, semantics.

 

I wish you a speedy recovery.

 

Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 5:57 PM
From: "Brian L. Lightfoot" 
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Re: Census event vs source

So a Marriage must also not be an event. The marriage certificate or license merely is a source for residences, ages, possible parental names, etc.

I tried telling my wife that our marriage was not an event. The doctor said my scar should heal nicely.


Brian in California
 





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Re: RE: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source

[I Macaulay]

Hmmm I thought it was only an event after the divorce,  Until that its a 
happening.But perhaps the log everything everywhere applies to the census 
situation. 

Never too much data. 

Ian
 They told me I had type-A blood, but it was a Type-O.

Ian Macaulay   Carp, Ontario
Open at 10:AM   Close at 5:00 PM
45.2397 N long: 76.0991 W Elv 137 M UTM
    Don't Forget to Save the Stamps

  From: gerald <g...@representative.com>
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 5:16 PM
 Subject: Re: RE: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source

"Marriage" is an all-emcompassing word. If you are speaking of the marriage 
CEREMONY, that is an event. It took place at a certain date and place. The 
marriage CERTIFFICATE is a source document, as a record of the event. But we 
tend to lump it all into one term as "marrriage" and we understand the meaning 
(usually) in context. The same with "census" -- is it the census taking, or the 
census report you mean? The census taking took place long ago (on one date and 
place), an event which is now recorded and referenced in the census report. 
Again, we tend to lump it all into one term. Ah, semantics. I wish you a speedy 
recovery. Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 5:57 PM
From: "Brian L. Lightfoot" <br...@the-lightfoots.com>
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Re: Census event vs sourceSo a Marriage must also not 
be an event. The marriage certificate or license merely is a source for 
residences, ages, possible parental names, etc.

I tried telling my wife that our marriage was not an event. The doctor said my 
scar should heal nicely.


Brian in California
 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source

[Ron Ferguson]

From: Kathy Meyer
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 9:07 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source

I haven't worked on my family history much over the last couple of years, at 
least not enough to remember the most useful way to record some things, so I 
apologize up front if this is too basic - but there are always new users out 
there right? :-)

I'm finding things I sourced very poorly 'back when I started' (haha!)  
Somewhere along the line I did start to use sources and events more fully and I 
like creating the Census event and including ALL of the details in the event 
notes (BTW - I L.O.V.E. the event sharing option that I just learned to use)  I 
include the census page image in the Media portion of the event itself.

Prior to using Events for that, I simply "sourced' entries, like birth, name, 
etc. individually with the Census SOURCE so I would know exactly where I got 
that information, which makes lots of sense to me; otherwise, if I got the 
birth year (for instance) from the 1920 census, I would have to guess that I 
got it from the Census EVENT and then go check it.  So I know I need to have 
that SOURCE with the census information for each field that it applies to.

S.right now, as I'm going through these old ones, I am doing BOTH.  I'm 
creating the Census EVENT and then adding the Census SOURCE to the event itself 
(otherwise it wouldn't have all the nitty gritty source details about where it 
was found etc) and then copying that source to the clipboard and adding it to 
the applicable fields, which is seems like too much but also seems necessary so 
that I know where information came from.   If I were creating an individual 
from scratch, it would be easier because I could attach the source to all the 
fields I guess.

And I don't mind the extra work itself, I just feel like I may be putting too 
much in for the sake of reports and such.  If I ever get everything cleaned up 
well enough, I do want to turn it into book format to share.  Believe it or 
not, I actually have a family member who does NOT own a computer.

Sorry for the length of this; I would love to get your suggestions. thanks!

Kathy


Kathy,

Like you I’ve had to have a couple of years off, however whilst I have always 
used censuses as a source, I am continuing to use this method for the reasons 
which you describe so well.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/



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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source

[Jerry in Michigan]

I don't think that census truly fits the real definition of an event in
someone's life, but somebody in genealogy got started using it that way
and it stuck. So, not likely we will be able to change it now. I never
use it as an event, but I realize thousands do so.

Jerry Boor
MerriamFamilyTree.org

On 10/17/2015 6:54 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> On 17/10/2015 02:30, Cathy Pinner wrote:
>> I guess you can argue that a census isn't an event but it's
>> something that our ancestors and we are involved in at a particular
>> place.
> I don't see how one can argue that and you go on to contradict yourself!
>A dictionary definition of Event is "a thing that happens or takes
> place."  The taking of a Census happened: a householder filled in a form
> or answered questions from an enumerator thus making a statement about
> certain facts pertaining at that time.  The making of a statement is an
> even which took place.
>
> Also, one should not forget that Legacy refers to "Event/Fact".  It is a
> fact that people were recorded in a Census.
>
> Everyone is, of course, entitled to use Legacy in whatever way suits
> them best, but I see no reason why Census information should not be
> entered as an Event/Fact in its own right.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source

[Jenny M Benson]

On 17/10/2015 04:22, Steve Hayes wrote:
> I usually include the bcensus as an event, because it gives both residence
> and occupation, for which I would otherwise have to give make two separate
> events, giving the same census as source for each.

I agree.  It also gives "context" for the residence information -
whether the person is at home/at school/visiting relatives/visiting
friends/etc.  If the person is shown as a Boarder or Lodger it gives you
an idea of the type of household.  If you include the information about
who else is in the household it can show some interesting things such as
a visitor being someone who marries into the family some time later.

Nicely worded Census Events can make much more interesting reading on a
Report than a series of blunt facts about Residence and Occupation.

--
Jenny M Benson




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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source

[Jenny M Benson]

On 17/10/2015 02:30, Cathy Pinner wrote:
> I guess you can argue that a census isn't an event but it's
> something that our ancestors and we are involved in at a particular
> place.

I don't see how one can argue that and you go on to contradict yourself!
  A dictionary definition of Event is "a thing that happens or takes
place."  The taking of a Census happened: a householder filled in a form
or answered questions from an enumerator thus making a statement about
certain facts pertaining at that time.  The making of a statement is an
even which took place.

Also, one should not forget that Legacy refers to "Event/Fact".  It is a
fact that people were recorded in a Census.

Everyone is, of course, entitled to use Legacy in whatever way suits
them best, but I see no reason why Census information should not be
entered as an Event/Fact in its own right.

--
Jenny M Benson




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[LegacyUG] Census event vs source

[Kathy Meyer]

I haven't worked on my family history much over the last couple of years,
at least not enough to remember the most useful way to record some things,
so I apologize up front if this is too basic - but there are always new
users out there right? :-)

I'm finding things I sourced very poorly 'back when I started' (haha!)
 Somewhere along the line I did start to use sources and events more fully
and I like creating the Census event and including ALL of the details in
the event notes (BTW - I L.O.V.E. the event sharing option that I just
learned to use)  I include the census page image in the Media portion of
the event itself.

Prior to using Events for that, I simply "sourced' entries, like birth,
name, etc. individually with the Census SOURCE so I would know exactly
where I got that information, which makes lots of sense to me; otherwise,
if I got the birth year (for instance) from the 1920 census, I would have
to guess that I got it from the Census EVENT and then go check it.  So I
know I need to have that SOURCE with the census information for each field
that it applies to.

S.right now, as I'm going through these old ones, I am doing BOTH.
I'm creating the Census EVENT and then adding the Census SOURCE to the
event itself (otherwise it wouldn't have all the nitty gritty source
details about where it was found etc) and then copying that source to the
clipboard and adding it to the applicable fields, which is seems like too
much but also seems necessary so that I know where information came from.
If I were creating an individual from scratch, it would be easier because I
could attach the source to all the fields I guess.

 And I don't mind the extra work itself, I just feel like I may be putting
too much in for the sake of reports and such.  If I ever get everything
cleaned up well enough, I do want to turn it into book format to share.
Believe it or not, I actually have a family member who does NOT own a
computer.

Sorry for the length of this; I would love to get your suggestions. thanks!

Kathy




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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source

[Elizabeth Verchio]

  
  
Kathy, not sure what are you asking! 
  So, I will offer some hopefully words of wisdom gained from 20+
  year of ancestry research.
  Cleaning up data is always a good idea.  Legacy offers several
  different reports and it depends on your personal preference as to
  how you want reports to include / to look.  Example, I was scolded
  by an experienced TMG user that my reports included too much
  information from Census.  Personally, I like all the information
  about the family group to be in my reports, that way I am more
  confident I am recording the correct family of interest (though I
  have been wrong).  I have learned to hold my ancestry loosely so
  that when proven wrong it does not hurt so much when I have to
  delete what was believed to be a direct line.
  Using Legacy's Source Writer is always a good idea - don't get
  hung-up on the changes  that have come about through the years.  I
  do most (99.9%) my research on ancestry.com (copy/paste/download
  jpgs) and am careful to note all relevant information so that
  anyone looking at my notes/database would be able to find the
  source/record referenced.  The few occurrences where I have actual
  source (photos, Bibles, birth/death/marriage certificates) I am
  careful to create a source that indicates where the actual source
  is at the time (though that may/will change with time).  I  too
  like to create a Census Event in the timeline of a persons life as
  that is a point in time where a person and or family can be
  pin-pointed at a particular place at a particular time.  If the
  Census gives an address, I will create another Event that list
  Residence at that address with the Census as Source.  Most of my
  family is rural so Residence/Address usually means a road name or
  Township/Range and sometimes only a Post Office which does not
  always mean they actually live in the County where the Post Office
  is located.
  Not sure any of this help.  I too was once a
  newbeeflyingbytheseatofmypantswithoutanyguidancewantingtoknowmyfamilyhistory. 
  
  Kathy, keep asking questions, keep digging, keep researching.  The
  journey is worth all the setbacks and disinterested persons your
  encounter along the way.  I do family research for me and me
  alone.  If I can share something with others I consider it a
  bonus!  Unfortunately there are A LOT of children living on planet
  earth today.
  
  Elizabeth Crauswell Verchio
  Know more about my ancestry today than I did while in my parents
  household.
  
  Nescire autem quid antequam
  natus sis acciderit,
  id est semper
  esse puerum.  (To be
ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain
always a child.) ― Marcus Tullius
Cicero
  
  On 10/16/2015 3:07 PM, Kathy Meyer wrote:


  I haven't worked on my family history much over the
last couple of years, at least not enough to remember the most
useful way to record some things, so I apologize up front if
this is too basic - but there are always new users out there
right? :-)


I'm finding things I sourced very poorly 'back when I
  started' (haha!)  Somewhere along the line I did start to use
  sources and events more fully and I like creating the Census
  event and including ALL of the details in the event notes (BTW
  - I L.O.V.E. the event sharing option that I just learned to
  use)  I include the census page image in the Media portion of
  the event itself.


Prior to using Events for that, I simply "sourced' entries,
  like birth, name, etc. individually with the Census SOURCE so
  I would know exactly where I got that information, which makes
  lots of sense to me; otherwise, if I got the birth year (for
  instance) from the 1920 census, I would have to guess that I
  got it from the Census EVENT and then go check it.  So I know
  I need to have that SOURCE with the census information for
  each field that it applies to.


S.right now, as I'm going through these old ones, I
  am doing BOTH.  I'm creating the Census EVENT and then adding
  the Census SOURCE to the event itself (otherwise it wouldn't
  have all the nitty gritty source details about where it was
  found etc) and then copying that source to the clipboard and
  adding it to the applicable fields, which is seems like too
  much but also seems necessary so that I know where information
  came from.   If I were creating an individual from scratch, it
  would be easier because I could attach the source to 

Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source

[Jenny M Benson]

On 16/10/2015 21:07, Kathy Meyer wrote:
> I haven't worked on my family history much over the last couple of years,
> at least not enough to remember the most useful way to record some things,
> so I apologize up front if this is too basic - but there are always new
> users out there right? :-)
>
> I'm finding things I sourced very poorly 'back when I started' (haha!)
>   Somewhere along the line I did start to use sources and events more fully
> and I like creating the Census event and including ALL of the details in
> the event notes (BTW - I L.O.V.E. the event sharing option that I just
> learned to use)  I include the census page image in the Media portion of
> the event itself.
>
> Prior to using Events for that, I simply "sourced' entries, like birth,
> name, etc. individually with the Census SOURCE so I would know exactly
> where I got that information, which makes lots of sense to me; otherwise,
> if I got the birth year (for instance) from the 1920 census, I would have
> to guess that I got it from the Census EVENT and then go check it.  So I
> know I need to have that SOURCE with the census information for each field
> that it applies to.
>
> S.right now, as I'm going through these old ones, I am doing BOTH.
> I'm creating the Census EVENT and then adding the Census SOURCE to the
> event itself (otherwise it wouldn't have all the nitty gritty source
> details about where it was found etc) and then copying that source to the
> clipboard and adding it to the applicable fields, which is seems like too
> much but also seems necessary so that I know where information came from.
> If I were creating an individual from scratch, it would be easier because I
> could attach the source to all the fields I guess.
>
>   And I don't mind the extra work itself, I just feel like I may be putting
> too much in for the sake of reports and such.  If I ever get everything
> cleaned up well enough, I do want to turn it into book format to share.
> Believe it or not, I actually have a family member who does NOT own a
> computer.
>
> Sorry for the length of this; I would love to get your suggestions. thanks!
>
It sounds as though you are doing exactly what I do, so it sounds fine
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source

[Cathy Pinner]

Kathy,

I do both. I guess you can argue that a census isn't an event but it's
something that our ancestors and we are involved in at a particular
place. It most definitely is a source.
One reason it's handy to enter census as an event is that it's so much
easier to check that you have found the person on every relevant census.

However, when it comes to reporting, you may or may not want to include
the census events. This is a choice you can make at the time. You can
exclude all census events from a report and leave them just as sources
by editing the Census Event Definition. You just check the Private
checkbox on the Event Definition screen - reached either from View -
Master Lists - Event Definition - Census OR when editing a Census event,
click the Edit Event Definition button. Then when you run a report,
don't include Master Events that are Private. They are omitted by
default so you'd have to change the Privacy options for the Report.

Cathy


Jenny M Benson wrote:
>
> On 16/10/2015 21:07, Kathy Meyer wrote:
>>
>> I haven't worked on my family history much over the last couple of years,
>> at least not enough to remember the most useful way to record some
>> things,
>> so I apologize up front if this is too basic - but there are always new
>> users out there right? :-)
>>
>> I'm finding things I sourced very poorly 'back when I started' (haha!)
>> Somewhere along the line I did start to use sources and events more fully
>> and I like creating the Census event and including ALL of the details in
>> the event notes (BTW - I L.O.V.E. the event sharing option that I just
>> learned to use) I include the census page image in the Media portion of
>> the event itself.
>>
>> Prior to using Events for that, I simply "sourced' entries, like birth,
>> name, etc. individually with the Census SOURCE so I would know exactly
>> where I got that information, which makes lots of sense to me; otherwise,
>> if I got the birth year (for instance) from the 1920 census, I would have
>> to guess that I got it from the Census EVENT and then go check it. So I
>> know I need to have that SOURCE with the census information for each
>> field
>> that it applies to.
>>
>> S.right now, as I'm going through these old ones, I am doing
>> BOTH.
>> I'm creating the Census EVENT and then adding the Census SOURCE to the
>> event itself (otherwise it wouldn't have all the nitty gritty source
>> details about where it was found etc) and then copying that source to the
>> clipboard and adding it to the applicable fields, which is seems like too
>> much but also seems necessary so that I know where information came from.
>> If I were creating an individual from scratch, it would be easier
>> because I
>> could attach the source to all the fields I guess.
>>
>> And I don't mind the extra work itself, I just feel like I may be putting
>> too much in for the sake of reports and such. If I ever get everything
>> cleaned up well enough, I do want to turn it into book format to share.
>> Believe it or not, I actually have a family member who does NOT own a
>> computer.
>>
>> Sorry for the length of this; I would love to get your suggestions.
>> thanks!
>>
>
> It sounds as though you are doing exactly what I do, so it sounds fine
> to me!
>




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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source

[Steve Hayes]

On 17 Oct 2015 at 9:30, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> I do both. I guess you can argue that a census isn't an event but it's
> something that our ancestors and we are involved in at a particular
> place. It most definitely is a source.
> One reason it's handy to enter census as an event is that it's so much
> easier to check that you have found the person on every relevant census.

I usually include the bcensus as an event, because it gives both residence
and occupation, for which I would otherwise have to give make two separate
events, giving the same census as source for each.


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[LegacyUG] Census

[Debbie]

I'm having a problem with the census search list and am wondering if someone
can see what I'm not doing correctly-I've created the search list, picked a
family from the list.  Added an event called census and sourced it using a
source called 'year' census.  The event and the source show up properly when
I share the event for other family members but when I rerun the search list
the family is still on it.   I've tried using different years/families with
the same (non)result and can't seem to see what I'm doing wrong.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[Mike Fry]

On 18 Jul 2014 21:09, Debbie wrote:

 I’m having a problem with the census search list and am wondering if someone 
 can
 see what I’m not doing correctly—I’ve created the search list, picked a family
 from the list.  Added an event called census and sourced it using a source
 called ‘year’ census.  The event and the source show up properly when I share
 the event for other family members but when I rerun the search list the family
 is still on it.   I’ve tried using different years/families with the same
 (non)result and can’t seem to see what I’m doing wrong.

When you rerun the list, do you make sure that the radio button at the
bottom-left labelled Clear List is selected? Maybe you've selected 'Add
results to existing list

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RE: [LegacyUG] Census

[Debbie]

Clear list (and exclude those that appear to have been found) is selected.  Add 
to an existing list and only search the search list are not.

-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry [mailto:emjay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 5:21 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census

On 18 Jul 2014 21:09, Debbie wrote:

 I’m having a problem with the census search list and am wondering if
 someone can see what I’m not doing correctly—I’ve created the search
 list, picked a family from the list.  Added an event called census and
 sourced it using a source called ‘year’ census.  The event and the
 source show up properly when I share the event for other family members but 
 when I rerun the search list the family
 is still on it.   I’ve tried using different years/families with the same
 (non)result and can’t seem to see what I’m doing wrong.

When you rerun the list, do you make sure that the radio button at the 
bottom-left labelled Clear List is selected? Maybe you've selected 'Add 
results to existing list

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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[Mike Fry]

On 18 Jul 2014 23:30, Debbie wrote:

 Clear list (and exclude those that appear to have been found) is selected.
 Add to an existing list and only search the search list are not.

OK. Then do you create a new search list or show the existing one?

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RE: [LegacyUG] Census

[Debbie]

In part 3?  I click create a new search list.  I could do this in v7.5 but 
can't figure out what I'm doing differently now.

-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry [mailto:emjay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 6:50 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census

On 18 Jul 2014 23:30, Debbie wrote:

 Clear list (and exclude those that appear to have been found) is selected.
 Add to an existing list and only search the search list are not.

OK. Then do you create a new search list or show the existing one?

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Johannesburg



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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[Mike Fry]

On 19 Jul 2014 00:20, Debbie wrote:

 In part 3?  I click create a new search list.  I could do this in v7.5 but
 can't figure out what I'm doing differently now.

Sounds exactly like I'd do in both versions. Unable to help further :-(

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RE: [LegacyUG] Census

[Paula Ryburn]

Shared events are new to v8.  I seem to remember a thread about shared census 
events and the census search...?  The name of your event is still Census 
right?  Is the head of household showing up in the later search results? or 
just the members of the household (who share the event)?
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 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Date: Friday, July 18, 2014, 5:20 PM

 In part 3?  I click create a new
 search list.  I could do this in v7.5 but can't figure
 out what I'm doing differently now.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Census report

[Jane Sarles]

I don't seem to be able to get the parameters correct.  Instead of
getting the ancestor with no parents, I get several of that line.  I
also get people who were too old to be in the 1790 census, even though I
have specified that census in the choice box.

Jane


On 3/13/2014 1:38 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
 Hi Jane,

 First make a search list of your direct ancestors.

 Search - Miscellaneous Tab - Focus Group.
 Make sure you are set as the Current Individual
 Click the Edit Focus Group button
 Clear List if necessary and then add individual and ancestors using
 the Direct Line Ancestors and check any additional categories you want.
 OK that.
 Make sure that at the bottom of the search screen Clear List before
 this search is chosen
 Then click Create List
 Close the Search list created.
 Then go back to that Census List search.
 Change the bottom of search screen selection to Only search the Search list
 Create your Report.


 Cathy

 At 08:52 AM 13/03/2014, you wrote:
 I just found this wonderful thing called Census Report which can give
 me a list of those who have not noted as found in the census. What a
 great tool!  I can almost work it out to use to get a list of all my
 direct ancestors who have not been found in the census, but I can't
 quite get to the place where I get only direct ancestors.  I just don't
 see where it allows me to choose those, but I am quite sure it must.

 Can anyone give me a clue on how to get only direct ancestors who have
 not been found in - say - the 1790 census?

 Thanks for a bit of help here.

 Jane Sarles



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Re: [LegacyUG] Census report

[Cathy Pinner]

Hi Jane,
Have you used the right search to collect your direct ancestors (with
or without their siblings etc depending on which checkboxes you tick)?

Your reference to instead of getting the ancestor with no parents, I
get several of that line suggests you may have decided to use the
miscellaneous search for direct-line ancestors with no parents and
thinking you'll use that instead of the focus group? They may be the
ones who were alive in 1790 but that depends on how far your research
has gone in each line. You need to use the focus group to pick up
those alive in 1790 in lines that have been researched further back.
This list will have people completely outside the time you are
interested in for this census. For example it should include your parents.

It's the next step that limits it to those potentially alive in 1790.
How accurate the list will be will depend on how many dates you have
entered for the potentials and what lifespan you use in the census
search. It's a potential list.

It's a two step process:
Step One: Limit who is even considered in the census search to a
group. This is where you create a new search list using that radio
button setting at the bottom of the search screen.
Step Two: Do the census search just on that group of ancestors by
changing the radio button at the bottom of the search screen.

Cathy

At 04:33 AM 14/03/2014, you wrote:
I don't seem to be able to get the parameters correct.  Instead of
getting the ancestor with no parents, I get several of that line.  I
also get people who were too old to be in the 1790 census, even though I
have specified that census in the choice box.

Jane


On 3/13/2014 1:38 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
  Hi Jane,
 
  First make a search list of your direct ancestors.
 
  Search - Miscellaneous Tab - Focus Group.
  Make sure you are set as the Current Individual
  Click the Edit Focus Group button
  Clear List if necessary and then add individual and ancestors using
  the Direct Line Ancestors and check any additional categories you want.
  OK that.
  Make sure that at the bottom of the search screen Clear List before
  this search is chosen
  Then click Create List
  Close the Search list created.
  Then go back to that Census List search.
  Change the bottom of search screen selection to Only search the Search list
  Create your Report.
 
 
  Cathy
 
  At 08:52 AM 13/03/2014, you wrote:
  I just found this wonderful thing called Census Report which can give
  me a list of those who have not noted as found in the census. What a
  great tool!  I can almost work it out to use to get a list of all my
  direct ancestors who have not been found in the census, but I can't
  quite get to the place where I get only direct ancestors.  I just don't
  see where it allows me to choose those, but I am quite sure it must.
 
  Can anyone give me a clue on how to get only direct ancestors who have
  not been found in - say - the 1790 census?
 
  Thanks for a bit of help here.
 
  Jane Sarles
 




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[LegacyUG] Census report

[Jane Sarles]

I just found this wonderful thing called Census Report which can give
me a list of those who have not noted as found in the census. What a
great tool!  I can almost work it out to use to get a list of all my
direct ancestors who have not been found in the census, but I can't
quite get to the place where I get only direct ancestors.  I just don't
see where it allows me to choose those, but I am quite sure it must.

Can anyone give me a clue on how to get only direct ancestors who have
not been found in - say - the 1790 census?

Thanks for a bit of help here.

Jane Sarles



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Re: [LegacyUG] Census report

[Cathy Pinner]

Hi Jane,

First make a search list of your direct ancestors.

Search - Miscellaneous Tab - Focus Group.
Make sure you are set as the Current Individual
Click the Edit Focus Group button
Clear List if necessary and then add individual and ancestors using
the Direct Line Ancestors and check any additional categories you want.
OK that.
Make sure that at the bottom of the search screen Clear List before
this search is chosen
Then click Create List
Close the Search list created.
Then go back to that Census List search.
Change the bottom of search screen selection to Only search the Search list
Create your Report.


Cathy

At 08:52 AM 13/03/2014, you wrote:
I just found this wonderful thing called Census Report which can give
me a list of those who have not noted as found in the census. What a
great tool!  I can almost work it out to use to get a list of all my
direct ancestors who have not been found in the census, but I can't
quite get to the place where I get only direct ancestors.  I just don't
see where it allows me to choose those, but I am quite sure it must.

Can anyone give me a clue on how to get only direct ancestors who have
not been found in - say - the 1790 census?

Thanks for a bit of help here.

Jane Sarles



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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Events-Marriage or Head of Houdehold

[Paula Ryburn]

Shirley,
I do enter the Census as a marriage event when the couple is married  appear 
together.  However, I also enter the Census event for each child enumerated, 
which I think covers some of the instances Jenny describes.  Further, I do not 
enter the way Geoff teaches in the Legacy training.  I like to have more 
descriptive Notes on the event.  And that would be where I would note Their 
youngest two children were staying with her parents in London, so were not 
enumerated here. -- and enter the London census event on each of the 2 
children.

For an individual, then, they will have 2-3 census events themselves, then 
maybe several with their spouse, then maybe a few as a widow/widower.  I tend 
to research a couple or family, rather than an individual.  It works for me for 
now.
 
--Paula in Texas
Researching:  Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle 
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche 
Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams



 From: Shirley Richardson shirleyr...@clear.net.nz
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Events-Marriage or Head of Houdehold




Thank you Jenny,
My thoughts exactly. I just wanted confirmation that I
wasn't missing something and might regret it later.
 
Kind Regards
Shirley
NZ
- Original Message -
From: Jenny M Benson
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Events-Marriage or Head of Houdehold

On 23/09/2013 23:51, Shirley Richardson wrote:
 I would
  appreciate, from those more experienced, the pros and cons
 of entering
  Census events in the marriage record.
 I have read through the archives
  and still have no clear conclusion. eg
 what if the husband/wife dies
  or is no longer living with the family.

I very soon came to the
  conclusion that there were far more cons than
pros concerning entering
  Census Events as Marriage Events.

You are going to have Census Events
  popping up all over the place:  one
or other partner being away from
  home on a Census night, children
staying with relatives or growing up and
  later growing up and moving
away.  I much prefer to have all one
  person's Events being kept with
that one person.

I keep Marriage
  Events for events which relate strictly to the Marriage
- Announcements in
  the Press, Banns, Wedding Parties, etc.

--
Jenny M
  Benson
snip


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RE: [LegacyUG] Census Events-Marriage or Head of Houdehold

[Ron Ferguson]

Shriley,


Then the surviving spouse is again a single person and any Events are no longer 
Marriage Events.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Events-Marriage or Head of Houdehold

[Jenny M Benson]

On 23/09/2013 23:51, Shirley Richardson wrote:
 I would appreciate, from those more experienced, the pros and cons
 of entering Census events in the marriage record.
 I have read through the archives and still have no clear conclusion. eg
 what if the husband/wife dies or is no longer living with the family.

I very soon came to the conclusion that there were far more cons than
pros concerning entering Census Events as Marriage Events.

You are going to have Census Events popping up all over the place:  one
or other partner being away from home on a Census night, children
staying with relatives or growing up and later growing up and moving
away.  I much prefer to have all one person's Events being kept with
that one person.

I keep Marriage Events for events which relate strictly to the Marriage
- Announcements in the Press, Banns, Wedding Parties, etc.

--
Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Events-Marriage or Head of Houdehold

[Shirley Richardson]

Thank you Jenny,
My thoughts exactly. I just wanted confirmation that I wasn't missing something 
and might regret it later.

Kind Regards
Shirley
NZ
  - Original Message -
  From: Jenny M Benson
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Events-Marriage or Head of Houdehold


  On 23/09/2013 23:51, Shirley Richardson wrote:
   I would appreciate, from those more experienced, the pros and cons
   of entering Census events in the marriage record.
   I have read through the archives and still have no clear conclusion. eg
   what if the husband/wife dies or is no longer living with the family.

  I very soon came to the conclusion that there were far more cons than
  pros concerning entering Census Events as Marriage Events.

  You are going to have Census Events popping up all over the place:  one
  or other partner being away from home on a Census night, children
  staying with relatives or growing up and later growing up and moving
  away.  I much prefer to have all one person's Events being kept with
  that one person.

  I keep Marriage Events for events which relate strictly to the Marriage
  - Announcements in the Press, Banns, Wedding Parties, etc.

  --
  Jenny M Benson



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[LegacyUG] Census Events-Marriage or Head of Houdehold

[Shirley Richardson]

I would appreciate, from those more experienced, the pros and cons of entering 
Census events in the marriage record.

I have read through the archives and still have no clear conclusion. eg what if 
the husband/wife dies or is no longer living with the family.

Kind regards
Shirley
NZ


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[LegacyUG] Census Events-Marriage or Head of Houdehold

[Tony Rolfe]

Hello, Shirley

I'm not sure of any pros and cons.  I think it is best to go with what
suits you best.  Personally, I think a census event belongs with the
individual since, in many cases, the person of interest may be unmarried
and away from home.  Maybe a domestic servant or sailor on board ship
somewhere.

I add a census event to each family member listed in the household, this
usually excludes servants, boarders and visitors.  If the person in my
tree is boarding or visiting someone not in my tree, then they get an
event all to themselves.

I use the description for age, marital status and occupation, the date
for the census date and the place for the residence address.  Notes
follow on from the description and usually contain other relevant
information.

A typical sentence might read:

On 2 Apr 1911 George appeared on the census at 21 High Street, Writtle,
Essex as a 25-year-old unmarried farm labourer who was boarding in the
home of Fred Smith, also a farm labourer.

I save the event on the event clipboard and usually only have to modify
the description (sometimes the notes) for each family member.  I don't
list everyone in the household by name for each event.  For the mother,
I do occasionally add the number of children in the notes; particularly
when this is the first census after the marriage.

This works for me.  Your mileage may vary.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event question

[Mary Young]

Google Earth easily gives you the Lat.  Long. for any address,with  no
conversion needed.
Search for the address in Google Earth.
Click on the Pin Icon at upper left of the bar.
A New Placemark box opens, showing Lat.  Long. in the format:
55°56'54.05N and   3°11'53.23W
Copy each string into the appropriate box in the Legacy Location dialog
box.
Then delete the  °(degrees), '(minutes) and   N or W(which are already in
Legacy).
The numbers should be in pairs, so any single digit should have a 0
placed before it, i.e. 6 digits before the point, and 2 after the point.
This works perfectly, you can pinpoint any place to within a few metres.
Mary Young



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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event question

[Randy Clark]

The format used by Legacy seems non-standard.


On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk wrote:

 Google Earth easily gives you the Lat.  Long. for any address,with  no
 conversion needed.
 Search for the address in Google Earth.
 Click on the Pin Icon at upper left of the bar.
 A New Placemark box opens, showing Lat.  Long. in the format:
 55°56'54.05N and   3°11'53.23W
 Copy each string into the appropriate box in the Legacy Location dialog
 box.
 Then delete the  °(degrees), '(minutes) and   N or W(which are already
 in Legacy).
 The numbers should be in pairs, so any single digit should have a 0
 placed before it, i.e. 6 digits before the point, and 2 after the point.
 This works perfectly, you can pinpoint any place to within a few metres.
 Mary Young


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RE: [LegacyUG] Census event question

[Rich Schram]

OK, that was easier than it sounded.



One question, and one detail to point out:



You mentioned clicking the ‘Verified’ box on the Address popup. I did my first 
attempt at practicing this, I went in through Burial Address ( + next to Buried 
 “Date field” In “City/County/State/Country” field), for a burial address on 
the cemetery where most of my maternal family is buried in Jacksonville, IL. 
After entering the coordinates, I clicked ‘Save’ on the ‘Distance and Bearing 
Calculator’ popup and came back to the ‘Event Address’ popup, there is no 
‘Verified’ checkbox; only checkboxes for Tag and Private. If I’m in the master 
Location List, there is a Verified checkbox, but these locations are strictly 
City, County, State, Country locations; there aren’t specific addresses (like a 
cemetery’s road address). What am I missing?



The detail: I found that Google can’t pinpoint too well. In Google I entered 
“East Cemetery, Jacksonville, IL” , it came up about two blocks north of the 
cemetery; right clicked the map pin and clicked ‘What’s This’, it came up with 
a different address and coordinates. I then right-clicked the cemetery icon 
which was actually on the cemetery, and it gave me the actual cemetery address 
and coordinates. So, maybe this is being a little obsessive, but hey, after 
chasing graves in some pretty overgrown places, this would make a lot of 
difference to someone.



Rich S

Geneva, IL, USA



From: CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:57 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census event question



You can get coordinates for any specific address from Google maps. Each one 
must be entered individually into Legacy, there is not a plug-in that will do 
it, in case that is what you meant by mentioning plug-in.  When the address 
comes up on the Google map, it is identified by a pointer with a letter inside. 
Right click on the pointer, which brings up a list of options. Click on What's 
here? The coordinates will replace the address in the Google maps search space 
above the map. The first number is the latitude, the second is longitude.

They are decimal, and must be converted for Legacy.

Go to the Master Location List and click on Edit once you highlight the 
address. In the lower left hand corner of the Add/Edit Location page, there is 
a box, Latitude and Longitude (optional).

The upper right corner of that box has a calculator. Click on the calculator to 
bring up the Distance and Bearing Calculator page.

In the middle of the Distance and Bearing Calculator page, there is a box under 
Decimal. Enter the first coordinate (latitude) there, click convert. The 
Deg/Min/Sec box will now show the latitude in the correct format for Legacy. 
Click Lat 1, and the converted coordinate will appear in the upper left box 
under Latitude.

Repeat for the second decimal number (longitude) from the Google page, clicking 
Long 1 when the converted number appears in the Deg/Min/Sec box.

The numbers that are now showing in the Latitude and Longitude boxes at the top 
left of the Distance and Bearing Calculator are now in the correct format. Do 
not close the Distance and Bearing Calculator page until you click the button 
under the Close button, the one which says Return 1st.  Doing so will attach 
your newly calculated coordinates to the address.

Now you can close the page, and will again be on the Add/Edit Location page, 
where you newly found and correctly calculated coordinates appear.  You can 
know click the box next to Verified, since you have verified the location.

It's actually much simpler than it sounds, but I like to be thorough.


CE


 From: ancestor...@gmail.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census event question
 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:26:59 -0400

 Can I get the GPS coordinates from Google Maps or something? I would want to 
 plug this in if that will make the mapping more functional.

 Michele



 -Original Message-
 From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:39 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census event question

 Family Map will include Event Address coordinates in the individual's map 
 display. The Address screen uses the Geo Database and not Bing Maps to select 
 coordinates so the location is only for the town/city not the street address. 
 To include mapping to a street address you would have to determine the 
 Latitude and Longitude for the house and enter those manually.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
 --

 On 13/08/2013 11:54 AM, Michele Lewis wrote:
  Will the new mapping feature pull from this list of addresses too?
 
  Michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event question

[Jay 1FamilyTree]

Legacy uses a standard, but the reality is that all the better online
mapping systems (Including Google ) all use the Decimal system, I wish
Legacy would change.

Jay



On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Brian/Support
br...@legacyfamilytree.comwrote:

 Legacy uses degree, minute, seconds for coordinates. The only
 non-standard thing is that we do not divide the parts with a space.
 Latitude is entered as ddmmss. longitude is dddmmss.sss note there
 are three degree digits in longitude because that can vary from 000 to
 180. latitude only goes from 0 to 90 so only two digits are needed.

 Some applications use decimal degrees rather than the dms system but
 both are equally valid systems for measuring angles along with radians

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
 --

 On 15/08/2013 5:00 AM, Randy Clark wrote:
  The format used by Legacy seems non-standard.
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk wrote:
 
  Google Earth easily gives you the Lat.  Long. for any address,with  no
  conversion needed.
  Search for the address in Google Earth.
  Click on the Pin Icon at upper left of the bar.
  A New Placemark box opens, showing Lat.  Long. in the format:
  55°56'54.05N and   3°11'53.23W
  Copy each string into the appropriate box in the Legacy Location dialog
  box.
  Then delete the  °(degrees), '(minutes) and   N or W(which are
 already
  in Legacy).
  The numbers should be in pairs, so any single digit should have a 0
  placed before it, i.e. 6 digits before the point, and 2 after the point.
  This works perfectly, you can pinpoint any place to within a few metres.
  Mary Young
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event question

[Brian/Support]

Interesting that you say Google Mapping uses Decimal degrees but I am on
Google earth right now and it is using dms for my location display.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
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On 15/08/2013 12:41 PM, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
 Legacy uses a standard, but the reality is that all the better online
 mapping systems (Including Google ) all use the Decimal system, I wish
 Legacy would change.

 Jay

 On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Brian/Support
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 Legacy uses degree, minute, seconds for coordinates. The only
 non-standard thing is that we do not divide the parts with a space.
 Latitude is entered as ddmmss. longitude is dddmmss.sss note there
 are three degree digits in longitude because that can vary from 000 to
 180. latitude only goes from 0 to 90 so only two digits are needed.

 Some applications use decimal degrees rather than the dms system but
 both are equally valid systems for measuring angles along with radians

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
 --

 On 15/08/2013 5:00 AM, Randy Clark wrote:
  The format used by Legacy seems non-standard.
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk 
 mailto:m...@cmy.org.uk wrote:
 
  Google Earth easily gives you the Lat.  Long. for any address,with  no
  conversion needed.
  Search for the address in Google Earth.
  Click on the Pin Icon at upper left of the bar.
  A New Placemark box opens, showing Lat.  Long. in the format:
  55°56'54.05N and   3°11'53.23W
  Copy each string into the appropriate box in the Legacy Location dialog
  box.
  Then delete the  °(degrees), '(minutes) and   N or W(which are 
 already
  in Legacy).
  The numbers should be in pairs, so any single digit should have a 0
  placed before it, i.e. 6 digits before the point, and 2 after the 
 point.
  This works perfectly, you can pinpoint any place to within a few 
 metres.
  Mary Young
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event question

[Jay 1FamilyTree]

From

https://support.*google*.com/*maps*/answer/2533464?hl=en


*Google Maps* coordinates are expressed in *decimal* degrees to comply with
the most common Geographic Information Systems. When using *Google Maps*
you..



On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Brian/Support
br...@legacyfamilytree.comwrote:

 Interesting that you say Google Mapping uses Decimal degrees but I am on
 Google earth right now and it is using dms for my location display.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
 --

 On 15/08/2013 12:41 PM, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
  Legacy uses a standard, but the reality is that all the better online
  mapping systems (Including Google ) all use the Decimal system, I wish
  Legacy would change.
 
  Jay
 
  On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Brian/Support
  br...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:
 
  Legacy uses degree, minute, seconds for coordinates. The only
  non-standard thing is that we do not divide the parts with a space.
  Latitude is entered as ddmmss. longitude is dddmmss.sss note
 there
  are three degree digits in longitude because that can vary from 000
 to
  180. latitude only goes from 0 to 90 so only two digits are needed.
 
  Some applications use decimal degrees rather than the dms system but
  both are equally valid systems for measuring angles along with
 radians
 
  Brian
  Customer Support
  Millennia Corporation
  br...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com
  http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
  --
 
  On 15/08/2013 5:00 AM, Randy Clark wrote:
   The format used by Legacy seems non-standard.
  
  
   On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.ukmailto:
 m...@cmy.org.uk wrote:
  
   Google Earth easily gives you the Lat.  Long. for any
 address,with  no
   conversion needed.
   Search for the address in Google Earth.
   Click on the Pin Icon at upper left of the bar.
   A New Placemark box opens, showing Lat.  Long. in the format:
   55°56'54.05N and   3°11'53.23W
   Copy each string into the appropriate box in the Legacy Location
 dialog
   box.
   Then delete the  °(degrees), '(minutes) and   N or W(which
 are already
   in Legacy).
   The numbers should be in pairs, so any single digit should have a
 0
   placed before it, i.e. 6 digits before the point, and 2 after the
 point.
   This works perfectly, you can pinpoint any place to within a few
 metres.
   Mary Young
  
  
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RE: [LegacyUG] Census event question

[CE WOOD]

Here is what Google Maps has for a particular location:

 47.656268,-122.205652

That is decimal.


For Legacy, it must be converted, using Legacy's or some other conversion 
calculator,  to:

0473922.565, 1221220.347

CE


 From: br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census event question
 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:37:18 -0400

 Interesting that you say Google Mapping uses Decimal degrees but I am on
 Google earth right now and it is using dms for my location display.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com


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RE: [LegacyUG] Census event question

[Lee Bruch]

Hmmm ... strange ... Google Maps may be different from Google Earth (???)
Google, at https://support.google.com/maps/answer/2533464?hl=en, says that 
Google Maps coordinates are expressed in decimal degrees to comply with the 
most common Geographic Information Systems.
But I, too, am on Google Earth and it is reporting in degrees, minutes, seconds

 -Original Message-
 From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:37 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census event question

 Interesting that you say Google Mapping uses Decimal degrees but I am
 on Google earth right now and it is using dms for my location display.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
 --

 On 15/08/2013 12:41 PM, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
  Legacy uses a standard, but the reality is that all the better online
  mapping systems (Including Google ) all use the Decimal system, I
 wish
  Legacy would change.
 
  Jay
 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event question

[Brian/Support]

So not even Google is consistent. Google Earth uses dms google maps use
decimal degrees.
If you have Decimal Coordinates Legacy contains the tool to convert a
decimal degree to our dms.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
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--


On 15/08/2013 1:47 PM, CE WOOD wrote:
 Here is what Google Maps has for a particular location:

   47.656268,-122.205652

 That is decimal.


 For Legacy, it must be converted, using Legacy's or some other
 conversion calculator,  to:

 0473922.565, 1221220.347


 CE


 From: br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census event question
 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:37:18 -0400

 Interesting that you say Google Mapping uses Decimal degrees but I am on
 Google earth right now and it is using dms for my location display.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com


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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event question

[David]

CE:

I don't have any idea what variable to use for the Event Address.

a)  For example, a Legacy sentence structure might use something like [HeShe] 
resided at [Desc] [onDate] [inPlace] [Notes]

Question:  What variable do I use (instead of [Desc]) so that Legacy will 
always use the Legacy stored Event Address instead of [Desc] ?

David
davenm...@gmail.com



On Aug 15, 2013, at 1:46 PM, CE WOOD wood...@msn.com wrote:

 If you want to always have the Event Address appear, you can change the 
 Event Sentence Definition itself.  Then you will never need to use Event 
 Sentence Override.


 CE




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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event question

[singhals]

Many of us prefer the old standard -- if only because we
understand it.

Don't change until we're all dead...or until none of us care
anymore.

Cheryl

Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
 Legacy uses a standard, but the reality is that all the
 better online mapping systems (Including Google ) all use
 the Decimal system, I wish Legacy would change.

 Jay



 On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Brian/Support
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 Legacy uses degree, minute, seconds for coordinates. The
 only
 non-standard thing is that we do not divide the parts
 with a space.
 Latitude is entered as ddmmss. longitude is
 dddmmss.sss note there
 are three degree digits in longitude because that can
 vary from 000 to
 180. latitude only goes from 0 to 90 so only two digits
 are needed.

 Some applications use decimal degrees rather than the
 dms system but
 both are equally valid systems for measuring angles
 along with radians

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
 --

 On 15/08/2013 5:00 AM, Randy Clark wrote:
   The format used by Legacy seems non-standard.
  
  
   On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Mary Young
 m...@cmy.org.uk mailto:m...@cmy.org.uk wrote:
  
   Google Earth easily gives you the Lat.  Long. for
 any address,with  no
   conversion needed.
   Search for the address in Google Earth.
   Click on the Pin Icon at upper left of the bar.
   A New Placemark box opens, showing Lat.  Long. in
 the format:
   55°56'54.05N and   3°11'53.23W
   Copy each string into the appropriate box in the
 Legacy Location dialog
   box.
   Then delete the  °(degrees), '(minutes) and N or
 W(which are already
   in Legacy).
   The numbers should be in pairs, so any single digit
 should have a 0
   placed before it, i.e. 6 digits before the point,
 and 2 after the point.
   This works perfectly, you can pinpoint any place to
 within a few metres.
   Mary Young




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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event question

[Jay 1FamilyTree]

Did you try [Address]  ??

Go to View Master Event Definitions  pick any one, Click HELP  shows
right there all your options.





On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:18 PM, David davenm...@gmail.com wrote:

 CE:

 I don't have any idea what variable to use for the Event Address.

 a)  For example, a Legacy sentence structure might use something like
 [HeShe] resided at [Desc] [onDate] [inPlace] [Notes]

 Question:  What variable do I use (instead of [Desc]) so that Legacy will
 always use the Legacy stored Event Address instead of [Desc] ?

 David
 davenm...@gmail.com



 On Aug 15, 2013, at 1:46 PM, CE WOOD wood...@msn.com wrote:

  If you want to always have the Event Address appear, you can change
 the Event Sentence Definition itself.  Then you will never need to use
 Event Sentence Override.
 
 
  CE
 



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RE: [LegacyUG] Census event question

[CE WOOD]

They variables are not in alphabetical order.  [Address] is 5th up from the 
bottom in the list of Replaceable fields.

CE

From: 1familytree@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:05:50 -0700
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census event question
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Did you try [Address]  ??

Go to View Master Event Definitions  pick any one, Click HELP  shows right 
there all your options.



 On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:18 PM, David davenm...@gmail.com wrote:


CE:



I don't have any idea what variable to use for the Event Address.



a)  For example, a Legacy sentence structure might use something like [HeShe] 
resided at [Desc] [onDate] [inPlace] [Notes]



Question:  What variable do I use (instead of [Desc]) so that Legacy will 
always use the Legacy stored Event Address instead of [Desc] ?



David

davenm...@gmail.com







On Aug 15, 2013, at 1:46 PM, CE WOOD wood...@msn.com wrote:



 If you want to always have the Event Address appear, you can change the 
 Event Sentence Definition itself.  Then you will never need to use Event 
 Sentence Override.





 CE


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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event question

[David]

Found it.  Thanks
David
davenm...@gmail.com



On Aug 15, 2013, at 4:20 PM, CE WOOD wood...@msn.com wrote:

 They variables are not in alphabetical order.  [Address] is 5th up from the 
 bottom in the list of Replaceable fields.


 CE



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