Re: Strange Request

> If all else fails I'll be raiding Matts script archive ;) Walking round PC World yesterday (nice to look at things then buy them £50 cheaper online :) ) and spotted a Perl Book written by Matt Wright, with a CD including many scripts from his site. What made even more amused was that there was

Re: Strange Request

At 09:08 13/03/2001, you wrote: > > If all else fails I'll be raiding Matts script archive ;) > >Walking round PC World yesterday (nice to look at things then buy them £50 >cheaper online :) ) and spotted a Perl Book written by Matt Wright, with a >CD including many scripts from his site. What mad

Re: Strange Request

At 09:27 13/03/01 +, you wrote: >At 09:08 13/03/2001, you wrote: >> > If all else fails I'll be raiding Matts script archive ;) >> >>Walking round PC World yesterday (nice to look at things then buy them £50 >>cheaper online :) ) and spotted a Perl Book written by Matt Wright, with a >>CD incl

Re: Strange Request

At 09:32 13/03/2001, you wrote: >At 09:27 13/03/01 +, you wrote: > >At 09:08 13/03/2001, you wrote: > >> > If all else fails I'll be raiding Matts script archive ;) > >> > >>Walking round PC World yesterday (nice to look at things then buy them £50 > >>cheaper online :) ) and spotted a Perl Bo

Re: Strange Request

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Good advert for the book - lucky you only get to see it once you've read > the book! not read, bought! theres the big catch still we've done this argument several times and at the end of the day people want to be able to just grab a piece of ``perl cg

Re: Strange Request

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 09:52:12AM +, Dave Cross wrote: > Just been wandering around the website and (as an owner of the book) was > able to access the 'private' areas. Well if you have a look at the vulnerabilitys database on securityfocus.com then you too can be an admin of the message bo

Re: Strange Request

* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > So what goes wrong every time someone else tries to setup an equivalent > archive of better code? I've seen it tried many times and it never works > out... > writing forums is just not that much fun? there are some good sources (Randal's WT,etc.)

Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:18:53PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > > You _do_ realise that I've now put the trademark notice on all of the > > london.pm web pages :) > > Anyone know if we could ACTUALLY trademark this? > trademarking the trademarking o

Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:18:53PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > > You _do_ realise that I've now put the trademark notice on all of the > > london.pm web pages :) > > Anyone know if we could ACTUALLY trademark this? --- To be registrable a trade mar

Freebies

Postman just bought a review copy of Lincoln Stein's "Network Programming with Perl". This is good news as it seems that Addison Wesley have now seen that giving freebie copies to Perl Monger groups is a Good Thing. I'll be giving it away at the next meeting, which is on Thursday 5th April. I

Re: Strange Request

At 10:20 13/03/2001, you wrote: >On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:15:29AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > not read, bought! theres the big catch > > still we've done this argument several times and at the end of the day > > people want to be able to just grab a piece of ``perl cgi software'' > > and ru

Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

From: "Jon Eyre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 13 March 2001 10:14 > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:18:53PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > > > You _do_ realise that I've now put the trademark notice on all of the > > > london.pm web pages :) > > > > Anyone kno

Re: Strange Request

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:40:26AM +, Dave Cross wrote: > I guess the problem is that you could create an archive of CGI programs > written by the best Perl programmers in the world but people would _still_ > find Matt's scripts first. > There's a marketing battle that needs to be fought f

RE: Strange Request

> There's a marketing battle that needs to be fought first. We > need, somehow, > to ensure that newbie CGI programmers read criticisms of > Matt's scripts > _before_ they find Matt's Script Archive. And I don't know > how you're going > to undo five years of misinformation and achieve that. May

Re: Strange Request

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > It's an important battle too, as each person that downloads an installs > Matt's scripts is one more person who will eventually decide that Perl is > too flakey and difficult to understand for serious use. > the effect is much worse than that, as ty

Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:37:12AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > * Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:18:53PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > > > > You _do_ realise that I've now put the trademark notice on all o

Re: Strange Request

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 09:08:52AM -, Miss Barbell wrote: > Walking round PC World yesterday (nice to look at things then buy them £50 > cheaper online :) ) and spotted a Perl Book written by Matt Wright, with a > CD including many scripts from his site. What made even more amused was that >

Re: Strange Request

* at 13/03 10:43 - Jonathan Peterson said: > > > There's a marketing battle that needs to be fought first. We > > need, somehow, > > to ensure that newbie CGI programmers read criticisms of > > Matt's scripts > > _before_ they find Matt's Script Archive. And I don't know > > how you're going

Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:10:39AM +, Michael Stevens wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:18:53PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > > You _do_ realise that I've now put the trademark notice on all of the > > london.pm web pages :) > > Anyone know if we could ACTUALLY trademark this? I believe we

Re: Strange Request

* at 13/03 10:56 + Michael Stevens said: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:58:36AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > how to solve this, will there is an easy way that would deal with > > the problem at source - perl certification > > > > *duck* > > > > having said in another email how there were

Re: Strange Request

At 10:56 13/03/2001, you wrote: >On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:58:36AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > how to solve this, will there is an easy way that would deal with > > the problem at source - perl certification > > > > *duck* > > > > having said in another email how there were no resources to d

Re: Strange Request

At 10:58 13/03/2001 +, Greg McCarroll wrote: [snip] >all the good classic web problems, with simple ready to run examples. >forums, guestbooks, counters, voting, etc. Isn't this what Extropia tried to do ? (www.extropia.com) Why did this not get picked up, is it just to complicated ? Sim

Re: Freebies

At 12:15 13/03/2001, you wrote: >Dave Cross, Lord and Master of London.pm, thus wrote: > > >Postman just bought a review copy of Lincoln Stein's "Network Programming > >with Perl". This is good news as it seems that Addison Wesley have now seen > >that giving freebie copies to Perl Monger groups

Re: Strange Request

At 11:13 13/03/2001, you wrote: >At 10:58 13/03/2001 +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > >[snip] > > >>all the good classic web problems, with simple ready to run examples. >>forums, guestbooks, counters, voting, etc. > >Isn't this what Extropia tried to do ? (www.extropia.com) > >Why did this not get

RE: Strange Request

> That's Selena Sol. He's almost as bad as Matt. I thought Selena was female. Oh well.

Re: Freebies

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 11:27:08AM +, Dave Cross wrote: > At 12:15 13/03/2001, you wrote: > > >By the way, Dave, did Addison Wesley contact you about this or vice > >versa? I'm wondering if O'Reilly and others are sending books to Perl > >monger groups anyway and they just vanish unmentioned

RE: Strange Request

At 11:29 13/03/2001, you wrote: > > That's Selena Sol. He's almost as bad as Matt. > >I thought Selena was female. Oh well. Nope. He's a bloke called Eric. -- SMS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Data Munging with Perl

RE: Strange Request

Title: RE: Strange Request > > > That's Selena Sol. He's almost as bad as Matt. > >I thought Selena was female. Oh well. > Nope. He's a bloke called Eric. So's my dad - useful huh? Darren Clarke

Re: Freebies

At 11:28 13/03/2001, you wrote: >On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 11:27:08AM +, Dave Cross wrote: > > At 12:15 13/03/2001, you wrote: > > > > >By the way, Dave, did Addison Wesley contact you about this or vice > > >versa? I'm wondering if O'Reilly and others are sending books to Perl > > >monger group

Re: Strange Request

Jonathan Peterson wrote: > Maybe we need to sponsor Matt Wright? The inverse of the > Damian sponsorship, we would cover whatever revenue he gets > from his scripts in return for him shutting all the sites > down for a year, and redirecting everyone somewhere else. > What do you reckon? Sponsor M

Re: Strange Request

At 10:40 13/03/01, you wrote: >I guess the problem is that you could create an archive of CGI programs >written by the best Perl programmers in the world but people would _still_ >find Matt's scripts first. is this Matt's script archive? http://www.cgi.resourceindex.com/ That is what I found wh

Re: Strange Request

At 12:03 13/03/2001, you wrote: >At 10:40 13/03/01, you wrote: >>I guess the problem is that you could create an archive of CGI programs >>written by the best Perl programmers in the world but people would _still_ >>find Matt's scripts first. > >is this Matt's script archive? > >http://www.cgi.res

Re: Freebies

On Tue 13 Mar, Dave Cross wrote: > > Postman just bought a review copy of Lincoln Stein's "Network Programming > with Perl". This is good news as it seems that Addison Wesley have now seen > that giving freebie copies to Perl Monger groups is a Good Thing. Since you only get one copy of each o

Re: Strange Request

> And if you're interested in Matt as a person (and who wouldn't be?) try: > > http://www.mattwright.com/msa.html "I always have lots of stuff in the works, but most of it only gets about halfway finished before I get bored and give up. That's the way I work. :) "

Re: Freebies

At 12:15 13/03/2001, you wrote: >On Tue 13 Mar, Dave Cross wrote: > > > > Postman just bought a review copy of Lincoln Stein's "Network Programming > > with Perl". This is good news as it seems that Addison Wesley have now > seen > > that giving freebie copies to Perl Monger groups is a Good Thin

Re: Freebies

On Tue 13 Mar, Dave Cross wrote: > Not clear which particular book you mean. The Cgi/Perl Cookbook by Craig Pratchett and Matthew Wright. John Wiley & Son. One of the current "reviews" on Amazon.com says: This is obviously a book that a lot of time and care went into, on the part of bo

Re: Strange Request

> No, but it's run by Matt. That's a list of CGI scripts written by loads of > people - there are even some old embarrassments of mine in there :-/ You know we are all scrambling to find it now ;)

Re: Strange Request

> are 15 scripts on Matt's site. How long would it take us to > rewrite them all? A week, I would guess given the resource available. This would also make an interesting project for someone to try and coordinate this effort and arrange people into teams. Hmm, Design, Modularity, Specify inter

Re: Freebies

At 13:02 13/03/2001, you wrote: >On Tue 13 Mar, Dave Cross wrote: > > > Not clear which particular book you mean. > >The Cgi/Perl Cookbook by Craig Pratchett and Matthew Wright. John Wiley & >Son. One of the current "reviews" on Amazon.com says: > >This is obviously a book that a lot of time and c

Re: Strange Request

Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think this is a good idea and would be happy to get involved. What I'd > like to see is a series of "drop in" replacements for Matt's scripts. There > are 15 scripts on Matt's site. How long would it take us to > rewrite them all? I've done his "ran

Re: Strange Request

- Original Message - From: "Dave Hodgkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 13 March 2001 12:49 Subject: Re: Strange Request > Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I think this is a good idea and would be happy to get involved. What I'd > > like to see is a ser

Re: Strange Request

"Robert Shiels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > - Original Message - > From: "Dave Hodgkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 13 March 2001 12:49 > Subject: Re: Strange Request > > > > Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > I think this is a good idea and

Re: Damian's Diary

Dave Cross wrote: > Damian's hectic world tour has now finished and he's had time > to update his online diary. He says a lot of nice things about > us here > . Not least of which, perhaps, is The presence of Piers Cawley, D

Re: Freebies

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >*why* it works, they just want it to work. > > > > With the excellent documentation > > > >whether it's your stepping-stone to writing your own scripts or whether you > > > >never want to get more in-depth than just typing in the path to your Perl > >exe

Re: Strange Request

* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Dave Hodgkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 13 March 2001 12:49 > Subject: Re: Strange Request > > > > Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > I think this is a good idea and wo

Re: Damian's Diary

* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Not some faceless American corporation, but London.pmers (with values of > "London" including Belfast and wherever Piers lives). > London.pm is not just a regional user group, a state of mind (liver?). Even dha is a London.pm'er although he may not

Re: Strange Request

> and here we get back to the ROPE project as discussed before, where we > could do a standard distribution of Apache/Mod Perl/Perl/Perl modules, > with TT, XML::*, etc.,etc. already there Might not be a bad idea doing each of these in each of the technologies anyhow. It might prove a good way o

Re: Strange Request

At 14:02 13/03/2001, you wrote: >- Original Message - >From: "Dave Hodgkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: 13 March 2001 12:49 >Subject: Re: Strange Request > > > Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > I think this is a good idea and would be happy to get

Re: Strange Request

At 13:05 13/03/2001, you wrote: >"Robert Shiels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Dave Hodgkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: 13 March 2001 12:49 > > Subject: Re: Strange Request > > > > > > > Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: Freebies

At 15:07 13/03/2001, you wrote: >* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > >*why* it works, they just want it to work. > > > > > > With the excellent documentation > > > > > >whether it's your stepping-stone to writing your own scripts or > whether you > > > > > >never want to get more in-dept

Re: Strange Request

At 15:10 13/03/2001, you wrote: >* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "Dave Hodgkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: 13 March 2001 12:49 > > Subject: Re: Strange Request > > > > > > > Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> write

Re: Strange Request

At 14:33 13/03/2001, you wrote: >On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 02:34:50PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > > >I haven't looked at Matts scripts, but I get the feeling that they are > aimed > > >at beginners who have a fairly standard perl/apache installation[1]. I'm > > >sure your solution will be much bette

Re: Strange Request

Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'd argue that you're _massively_ overestimating our audience there. Most > the Matt's users are people who have accounts with web hosting companies > who only allow FTP access. mod_perl usually _isn't_ installed and > installing CPAN modules is frowned

Re: Strange Request

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > My opinion is that the only way this project could work is if the scripts > worked on _any_ web server on _any_ platform with _no_ extra modules. Matt > Wright can achieve that and we're all much cleverer than he is, so we > should be able to do it too.

Re: Strange Request

At 13:50 13/03/2001, you wrote: >Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I'd argue that you're _massively_ overestimating our audience there. Most > > the Matt's users are people who have accounts with web hosting companies > > who only allow FTP access. mod_perl usually _isn't_ installed and

RE: Strange Request

> do you exclude this script from the archive on the basis that it > uses TT? > > this question defines the archive of scripts a little. is the > collection of scripts specifically aimed at the lowest commond > denominator and tackling the MW problem directly, or is that > just its core mission,

Re: Strange Request

At 15:51 13/03/2001, you wrote: >* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > My opinion is that the only way this project could work is if the scripts > > worked on _any_ web server on _any_ platform with _no_ extra modules. Matt > > Wright can achieve that and we're all much cleverer than he is,

Re: Strange Request

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > At 13:50 13/03/2001, you wrote: > >Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > I'd argue that you're _massively_ overestimating our audience there. Most > > > the Matt's users are people who have accounts with web hosting companies > > > who only all

Re: Strange Request

From: "Dave Cross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > You need to define a standard and stick to it. I suggest we write to Perl > 5.004_04 as it was a) pretty stable and b) the first to include CGI.pm. > Agreed. I just installed one of his scripts on my laptop, Win98, Apache 1.3.9, ActiveState's Perl5.6. T

Re: Strange Request

How about a hackfest one afternoon? A dozen people in a room with machines/laptops, pair programming... -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, tec

Re: Strange Request

* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > How about a hackfest one afternoon? A dozen people in a room with > machines/laptops, pair programming... > have you ever tried herding cats? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

Matt's Scripts

OK, here's a list of Matt's scripts. If you'd like to have a go at rewriting one or two under the rules we've discussed (no external modules, -T, use strict, -w, etc), put you name next to it on this list. Guestbook WWWboard Counter Formmail Random Image Displayer Random Link Generator Textcloc

Re: Strange Request

Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > How about a hackfest one afternoon? A dozen people in a room with > > machines/laptops, pair programming... > > > > have you ever tried herding cats? food and lots of stroking -- Dave Hodgkinso

Re: Matt's Scripts

Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > OK, here's a list of Matt's scripts. If you'd like to have a go at > rewriting one or two under the rules we've discussed (no external modules, > -T, use strict, -w, etc), put you name next to it on this list. > > Random Image Displayer daveh > Random L

Re: Matt's Scripts

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: > Formmail - alex@state51 will take more later if there are some left over -- a member of the state51 conspiracy tonight i'm gonna party like it's (time_t) 1E9 dadadodo> IE5 PIPE CRACK always SMOKING

Re: Strange Request

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: > * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > My opinion is that the only way this project could work is if the scripts > > worked on _any_ web server on _any_ platform with _no_ extra modules. Matt > > Wright can achieve that and we're all much clever

Re: Strange Request

Dave Cross wrote: > I've just seen a downside to the "no non-standard modules" > rule, which is that we'll have to send all mail by piping > to sendmail. And that really hits your cross-platform > compatibility. Well, it depends on how much pain you want to inflict on yourself. socket and conne

Re: Strange Request

* at 13/03 15:23 + Aaron Trevena said: > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > > * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > My opinion is that the only way this project could work is if the scripts > > > worked on _any_ web server on _any_ platform with _no_ extra modules. Matt

Re: Strange Request

### warning - creature feep ### On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote: > > > > this question defines the archive of scripts a little. is the > > collection of scripts specifically aimed at the lowest commond > > denominator and tackling the MW problem directly, or is that > > just its core m

Re: Strange Request

Ok, this is obviously a good idea, some comment / ideas: 1) Create nms server (Not Matt Scripts). - setup mailing list(s). - I'm happy to host in a couple of weeks 2) Review and work out a 'core' module which can be part of the distrobution and impliment CGI.pm equiv stuff

Re: Matt's Scripts

> Textclock Mark > Countdown Mark Later. Mark. -- print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_>6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} ( Name => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer' , Firm => 'Profero Ltd',Web => 'http://www.profero

Re: Matt's Scripts

At 14:23 13/03/2001, you wrote: >Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > OK, here's a list of Matt's scripts. If you'd like to have a go at > > rewriting one or two under the rules we've discussed (no external modules, > > -T, use strict, -w, etc), put you name next to it on this list. > > >

Re: Matt's Scripts

At 15:18 13/03/2001, you wrote: >OK, here's a list of Matt's scripts. If you'd like to have a go at >rewriting one or two under the rules we've discussed (no external modules, >-T, use strict, -w, etc), put you name next to it on this list. > >Guestbook davorg >WWWboard davorg --

Re: Matt's Scripts

Dave wrote: > Oops. I just did the Random Text one. Should have put my name down really I > suppose. Here it is if you're interested. And what's wrong with the following line? ;-) #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w -- print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_>6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} ( Name =

RE: Matt's Scripts

> OK, here's a list of Matt's scripts. If you'd like to have a go at > rewriting one or two under the rules we've discussed (no > external modules, > -T, use strict, -w, etc), put you name next to it on this list. To which we should add that in default configuration the new script has the same i

Re: Matt's Scripts

At 15:44 13/03/2001, you wrote: >Dave wrote: > > > Oops. I just did the Random Text one. Should have put my name down > really I > > suppose. Here it is if you're interested. > >And what's wrong with the following line? ;-) > >#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w D'Oh. It's a fair cop :-) In my defense, th

RE: Matt's Scripts

At 15:47 13/03/2001, you wrote: > > OK, here's a list of Matt's scripts. If you'd like to have a go at > > rewriting one or two under the rules we've discussed (no > > external modules, > > -T, use strict, -w, etc), put you name next to it on this list. > >To which we should add that in default c

MSA rewrite project

> > Dave Cross wrote: > > I've just seen a downside to the "no non-standard modules" > > rule, which is that we'll have to send all mail by piping > > to sendmail. And that really hits your cross-platform > > compatibility. > > Well, it depends on how much pain you want to inflict on yourself. >

Re: Strange Request

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:00:41PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > I've just seen a downside to the "no non-standard modules" rule, which is > that we'll have to send all mail by piping to sendmail. And that really > hits your cross-platform compatibility. Write some stuff which will scan the local

Re: Strange Request

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: > I've just seen a downside to the "no non-standard modules" rule, which is > that we'll have to send all mail by piping to sendmail. And that really > hits your cross-platform compatibility. Why is this a problem? /usr/lib/sendmail is the published interf

Re: Strange Request

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:09:42PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: > > I've just seen a downside to the "no non-standard modules" rule, which is > > that we'll have to send all mail by piping to sendmail. And that really > > hits your cross-platform co

Re: Strange Request

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:09:42PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: > > > I've just seen a downside to the "no non-standard modules" rule, which is > > > that we'll have to send all mail by piping to sendmai

Re: Strange Request

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:47:48PM +, David Cantrell wrote: > > Write some stuff which will scan the local network for open relays and > > then just talk SMTP to them. Someone stupid enough to not be able to > > install modules is stupid enough to

Re: Matt's Scripts

Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 14:23 13/03/2001, you wrote: > >Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > OK, here's a list of Matt's scripts. If you'd like to have a go at > > > rewriting one or two under the rul

RE: Matt's Scripts

> IIRC the problem with some of them is that they use config > data supplied > in form variables... do we really want to maintain this? Yes, we do. It's a useful way of supplying configuration information, because editing form fields in HTML has a lower fear threshold than editing perl source fil

Re: Strange Request

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:19:46PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:09:42PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: > > > > I've just seen a downside to the "no non-standard module

Re: Strange Request

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:20:48PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:47:48PM +, David Cantrell wrote: > > > Write some stuff which will scan the local network for open relays and > > > then just talk SMTP to them. S

Re: Strange Request

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:09:42PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > /usr/lib/sendmail -t -oem Use -oi as well. You don't want "\n.\n" to terminate the message prematurely. .robin. -- "Sometimes I sit in front of my washing machine and contemplate the worthlessness of life. My washing m

Re: MSA rewrite project

Jonathan Peterson wrote: > 2. including the required modules as simple .pm files to be > uploaded to the same directory as the script file. (i.e. no > proper 'perl Makefile.PL;make;make test;make install). > > Assuming that 2 actually works, which is should in many but > not all cases. General

Re: MSA rewrite project

On or about Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 05:34:03PM +0100, Philip Newton typed: >Generally, @INC contains '.', so it should work (though remember that >Net::SMTP has to go into ./Net/SMTP.pm and not ./SMTP.pm or ./Net::SMTP.pm). >Otherwise, use lib '.' should be your friend. I believe IIS does horribly

Re: Strange Request

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:19:46PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:09:42PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > > > > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: > > > > > I'v

Re: Matt's Scripts

Dave Cross wrote: > Oops. I just did the Random Text one. Two comments: - what's with the "\%\%" in the separator? '%' isn't special in double-quoted strings, last time I checked. This looks like Mattcode which backwhacks just about anything ("$hh\:$mm\:$ss" comes to mind, for example). - s/chmo

RE: Matt's Scripts

> Yes, but *is a security hole, and not a small one*, usually. Yes, if you put the wrong things in there, like locations of files. I guess maybe Matt does this. On the other hand, other things can go in harmlessly, and should, such as the response email address for formmail. As for the security

Re: MSA rewrite project

Roger Burton West wrote: [feasibility of putting .pm files next to a script] > I believe IIS does horribly evil things to the current execution > directory. I wouldn't be surprised. I believe it also does funky things with %ENV, such that you can't do 'keys %ENV' and get all the keys, as somehow,

Re: Strange Request

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:20:48PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:47:48PM +, David Cantrell wrote: > > > > Write some stuff which will scan the local network for op

Re: Strange Request

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Robin Houston wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:09:42PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > > /usr/lib/sendmail -t -oem > Use -oi as well. > You don't want "\n.\n" to terminate the message prematurely. Yes, indeed. Self-LART applied. MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick Home:

Re: Matt's Scripts

From: "Dave Cross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 13 March 2001 15:47 Subject: Re: Matt's Scripts > At 14:23 13/03/2001, you wrote: > >Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Oops. I just did the Random Text one. Should have put my name down really I > suppose. Here it

Re: Strange Request

Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > Why is this a problem? /usr/lib/sendmail is the published > interface. (As others have already written, no /usr/lib/sendmail [or /usr/lib, for that matter] on Win2K or NT web servers.) > /usr/lib/sendmail -t -oem > > is your friend (and remember to check $?)

Re: Strange Request

David Cantrell wrote: > Alternatively, just look up the recipient's mail server and > talk SMTP to it. If you can't connect, try the backup servers. > If there aren't any, then the recipient is too lame to talk to > us. I'd suggest trying to look for an A record if there's no MX record for a do

Re: Matt's Scripts

At 16:39 13/03/2001, you wrote: >Dave Cross wrote: > > Oops. I just did the Random Text one. > >Two comments: > >- what's with the "\%\%" in the separator? '%' isn't special in >double-quoted strings, last time I checked. This looks like Mattcode which >backwhacks just about anything ("$hh\:$mm\:$

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