Re: [MacGroup] MacGroup: What about MacUpdate Desktop?

[tom holloman]

correct. not trustworthy


On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 4:27 PM Jane Plunkett  wrote:

> MacUpdate Desktop
>
> This suddenly appeared on my desktop, and I can't get rid of it.
>
> Is this trustworthy?
>
> If not, what can I do to get rid of it. It keeps coming back like a bad
> penny.
>
> Also, from what I'm reading, Mackeeper is not trustworthy. Is that correct?
>
> TIA,
>
> Jane
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Re: [MacGroup] MacGroup: What about MacUpdate Desktop?

[Jane Plunkett]

MacUpdate Desktop

This suddenly appeared on my desktop, and I can't get rid of it.

Is this trustworthy?

If not, what can I do to get rid of it. It keeps coming back like a bad 
penny.


Also, from what I'm reading, Mackeeper is not trustworthy. Is that correct?

TIA,

Jane


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[tom holloman]

Let is know when it’s on amazon or Netflix!
Tom

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> On Nov 19, 2018, at 8:43 AM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Oh Jonathan, you’ll be the first to adapt!  
> 
> John
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Jonathan Fletcher  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You just spelled out the plot for a horror movie coming soon: "Killmower In 
>> 3D"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 12:28 PM, John Robinson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Excellent, and yes, we will adjust…I can’t wait for self driving mowers 
>>> that are larger than a shoebox, that will spell RELIEF!
>> 
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>> jonat...@fletcherdata.com
>> 
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[John Robinson]

Oh Jonathan, you’ll be the first to adapt!  

John

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> On Nov 19, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Jonathan Fletcher  wrote:
> 
> You just spelled out the plot for a horror movie coming soon: "Killmower In 
> 3D"
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 12:28 PM, John Robinson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Excellent, and yes, we will adjust…I can’t wait for self driving mowers that 
>> are larger than a shoebox, that will spell RELIEF!
> 
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> Workplace Innovation Facilitator
> jonat...@fletcherdata.com
> 
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Re: [MacGroup] What do you think?

[Jonathan Fletcher]

You just spelled out the plot for a horror movie coming soon: "Killmower In 3D"



> On Nov 19, 2018, at 12:28 PM, John Robinson  > wrote:
> 
> Excellent, and yes, we will adjust…I can’t wait for self driving mowers that 
> are larger than a shoebox, that will spell RELIEF!

--
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Re: [MacGroup] What do you think?

[Lee Larson]

On Nov 19, 2018, at 11:19 AM, John Robinson mailto:profilecoven...@icloud.com>> wrote:

> The large disrupter is going to be where in the world will these folks work 
> in 20 years?  Society has to solve this huge issue….if I was still living 
> where would I be working!!


There will be disruption, but society will adjust. It’s happened before.

Read about the Luddites in early nineteenth century England. It’s clear now 
they were on the wrong side of history because the mechanization they were 
fighting actually expanded their industry and created more jobs than it 
destroyed.

How about the societal adjustments at the turn of the twentieth century? The 
industrialization and automation killed child labor and reduced the work week 
from 60+ hours down to 40.

Automation in agriculture in the mid twentieth century has made the small-time 
farmer extinct, but has fed billions. (And here’s a place where they’re already 
using self-driving machinery to plow fields and plant crops.)

A Nobel prize winner wrote:

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'.
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin’.

L^2

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[John Robinson]

I agree completely Lee, my daughter-in-law works for a large over the road 
trucking company.  She works tirelessly to hire drivers, can’t get them.  Last 
year the industry was short 18,000 drivers.  This problem can be solved.

Our world is going to change, my wife is furious with me for suggesting such, 
saying it will never happen, but then again she wants to use a rotary dial 
phone.

The large disrupter is going to be where in the world will these folks work in 
20 years?  Society has to solve this huge issue….if I was still living where 
would I be working!!


John


> On Nov 19, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Lee Larson  wrote:
> 
> On Nov 18, 2018, at 7:15 PM, John Robinson  > wrote:
> 
>> This is a topic I threw out a few weeks ago, now a more definitive line in 
>> the sand seems plausible..
> 
> 
> I have a several thoughts:
> 
> •  If I were a young long-haul trucker, I’d be thinking about my next career. 
> It won’t be long before those 18-wheelers on the interstate lack a human 
> driver. The trucking companies will jump on this because they can keep their 
> trucks rolling around the clock instead of being limited by the number of 
> hours a driver is permitted to work. Most of these trucks run the same easy 
> routes over and over again. Computers were invented for this.
> 
> •  How about city buses and garbage trucks. They have fixed routes with 
> well-defined stops. It seems like a good fit for a computer.
> 
> •  When I travel, I always try to take Uber or Lyft instead of regular taxis. 
> Better service. Better prices. For example, we were in Las Vegas last month 
> and took a taxi to our hotel when we arrived—$34. When we left, we took Uber 
> from the hotel to the airport—$19 and the car was clean. If the taxi 
> companies hadn’t been wedded to grampa’s technology ten years ago, they’d own 
> Uber's business instead of being the walking dead. Uber isn’t going to make 
> the same mistake.
> 
> •  Before it becomes ubiquitous on the roads, some things will have to 
> change. Traffic signs and signals will be made more computer-friendly. 
> Perhaps little radio transmitters will be embedded to make sure the computer 
> understands complicated intersections and can see them in bad weather. In 
> high-traffic areas, special lanes, like today’s commuter lanes, will be 
> installed. In the beginning, there may be special routes with enhancements to 
> assist the computers.
> 
> •  Ownership of cars in the USA is definitely going to decrease. I can see 
> this with my own children. Mu daughter lives in Minneapolis and mostly gets 
> around by mass transit. She’ll often go weeks without driving. My son has a 
> car out of necessity because mass transit in Louisville is so spotty. But, he 
> was in no hurry to drive and didn’t even bother to get a driver’s license 
> until he was 18, and only then because he needed an ID.
> 
> •  The same technology is going to be present in lots of places. Most of the 
> big airplanes are already flown mostly by computer, with pilots watching. It 
> can’t be long before the pilot is on the ground monitoring a half-dozen 
> planes. On top of that, there’s a big shortage of airline pilots. How long 
> until UPS starts hauling their cargo with robots? I think it’ll be a while 
> before the general public will accept this with airliners. When will Papa 
> John’s start using self-driving delivery vehicles or drones. Amazon is 
> already working on using drones for local deliveries.
> 
> L^2
> 
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> make false prophecies, however much they may in fact speak the truth; lest, 
> being in league with the devil, they may deceive errant souls into making 
> common cause. — ‌Augustinus, ‌De genesis ad literam, Liber 2, Caput XVII, Nr. 
> 37‌
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Re: [MacGroup] What do you think?

[Lee Larson]

On Nov 18, 2018, at 7:15 PM, John Robinson mailto:profilecoven...@me.com>> wrote:

> This is a topic I threw out a few weeks ago, now a more definitive line in 
> the sand seems plausible..


I have a several thoughts:

•  If I were a young long-haul trucker, I’d be thinking about my next career. 
It won’t be long before those 18-wheelers on the interstate lack a human 
driver. The trucking companies will jump on this because they can keep their 
trucks rolling around the clock instead of being limited by the number of hours 
a driver is permitted to work. Most of these trucks run the same easy routes 
over and over again. Computers were invented for this.

•  How about city buses and garbage trucks. They have fixed routes with 
well-defined stops. It seems like a good fit for a computer.

•  When I travel, I always try to take Uber or Lyft instead of regular taxis. 
Better service. Better prices. For example, we were in Las Vegas last month and 
took a taxi to our hotel when we arrived—$34. When we left, we took Uber from 
the hotel to the airport—$19 and the car was clean. If the taxi companies 
hadn’t been wedded to grampa’s technology ten years ago, they’d own Uber's 
business instead of being the walking dead. Uber isn’t going to make the same 
mistake.

•  Before it becomes ubiquitous on the roads, some things will have to change. 
Traffic signs and signals will be made more computer-friendly. Perhaps little 
radio transmitters will be embedded to make sure the computer understands 
complicated intersections and can see them in bad weather. In high-traffic 
areas, special lanes, like today’s commuter lanes, will be installed. In the 
beginning, there may be special routes with enhancements to assist the 
computers.

•  Ownership of cars in the USA is definitely going to decrease. I can see this 
with my own children. Mu daughter lives in Minneapolis and mostly gets around 
by mass transit. She’ll often go weeks without driving. My son has a car out of 
necessity because mass transit in Louisville is so spotty. But, he was in no 
hurry to drive and didn’t even bother to get a driver’s license until he was 
18, and only then because he needed an ID.

•  The same technology is going to be present in lots of places. Most of the 
big airplanes are already flown mostly by computer, with pilots watching. It 
can’t be long before the pilot is on the ground monitoring a half-dozen planes. 
On top of that, there’s a big shortage of airline pilots. How long until UPS 
starts hauling their cargo with robots? I think it’ll be a while before the 
general public will accept this with airliners. When will Papa John’s start 
using self-driving delivery vehicles or drones. Amazon is already working on 
using drones for local deliveries.

L^2


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false prophecies, however much they may in fact speak the truth; lest, being in 
league with the devil, they may deceive errant souls into making common cause. 
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[preston....@twc.com]

Pretty much forget about the possibility of the “hack”.  When AI is in control, 
the “hack” won’t even be a consideration, since AI would be in charge by 
design, or otherwise.Don’t want none of that progression to greater 
progress.  Give me back my ’64 Ford Fairlane!

-russ preston


> On Nov 18, 2018, at 9:12 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> My wife drives a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee, remember these vehicles WERE 
> hacked, there was total loss of control, and this was on a vehicle with NO 
> self driving technology, just an ordinary vehicle, so in reality what we 
> drive now is just as vulnerable.  About anything with a computer chip is 
> vulnerable.  
> 
> John
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 18, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Jonathan Fletcher  wrote:
> 
>> I’m with Harry. Not interested. Hasn’t anyone seen "Fate of the Furious?"
>> 
>> I was at cybersecurity conference a few months ago where the Cybersecurity 
>> Advisor for our region from the Department of Homeland Security was talking 
>> about the plethora of threats to a variety of technologies. He hadn’t 
>> mentioned cars yet, so I raised my hand and asked if the growth of 
>> driverless cars was keeping anyone up at night yet, and he said, “Oh, yeah!”
>> 
>> More and more TV programs include a plot point about someone hacking into a 
>> victim's car to wreak havoc, either to kill them or to kill someone else. 
>> (I’m not even talking about “I, Robot,” although that’s a good one.)
>> 
>> Name ONE segment of our society that uses any technology that hasn’t been 
>> hacked yet. Very highly paid IT people in these companies can’t protect 
>> their employers from devastation to their bottom line and their reputation. 
>> 
>> And now we want to automate CARS! 
>> 
>> I’m out.
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2018, at 8:17 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m not sure I’m ready for this. My question would be why do we need them? 
>> 
>> --
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>> Workplace Innovation Facilitator
>> jonat...@fletcherdata.com
>> 
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[John Robinson]

My wife drives a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee, remember these vehicles WERE hacked, 
there was total loss of control, and this was on a vehicle with NO self driving 
technology, just an ordinary vehicle, so in reality what we drive now is just 
as vulnerable.  About anything with a computer chip is vulnerable. 

John

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Jonathan Fletcher  wrote:
> 
> I’m with Harry. Not interested. Hasn’t anyone seen "Fate of the Furious?"
> 
> I was at cybersecurity conference a few months ago where the Cybersecurity 
> Advisor for our region from the Department of Homeland Security was talking 
> about the plethora of threats to a variety of technologies. He hadn’t 
> mentioned cars yet, so I raised my hand and asked if the growth of driverless 
> cars was keeping anyone up at night yet, and he said, “Oh, yeah!”
> 
> More and more TV programs include a plot point about someone hacking into a 
> victim's car to wreak havoc, either to kill them or to kill someone else. 
> (I’m not even talking about “I, Robot,” although that’s a good one.)
> 
> Name ONE segment of our society that uses any technology that hasn’t been 
> hacked yet. Very highly paid IT people in these companies can’t protect their 
> employers from devastation to their bottom line and their reputation. 
> 
> And now we want to automate CARS! 
> 
> I’m out.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2018, at 8:17 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m not sure I’m ready for this. My question would be why do we need them? 
> 
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> Workplace Innovation Facilitator
> jonat...@fletcherdata.com
> 
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[Jonathan Fletcher]

I’m with Harry. Not interested. Hasn’t anyone seen "Fate of the Furious?"

I was at cybersecurity conference a few months ago where the Cybersecurity 
Advisor for our region from the Department of Homeland Security was talking 
about the plethora of threats to a variety of technologies. He hadn’t mentioned 
cars yet, so I raised my hand and asked if the growth of driverless cars was 
keeping anyone up at night yet, and he said, “Oh, yeah!”

More and more TV programs include a plot point about someone hacking into a 
victim's car to wreak havoc, either to kill them or to kill someone else. (I’m 
not even talking about “I, Robot,” although that’s a good one.)

Name ONE segment of our society that uses any technology that hasn’t been 
hacked yet. Very highly paid IT people in these companies can’t protect their 
employers from devastation to their bottom line and their reputation. 

And now we want to automate CARS! 

I’m out.

Jonathan



> On Nov 18, 2018, at 8:17 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  > wrote:
> 
> I’m not sure I’m ready for this. My question would be why do we need them? 

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[John Robinson]

Exactly Ed, there are so many possibilities we can’t ponder them all…will we 
need Postal drivers?  By then will we even have mail, the Post Office has ask 
for an additional 5 cent raise...Will we need manned garbage collection?  If we 
are required to use a specific garbage can, the driverless truck has an arm 
that grabs the container, and sits it back down when done.

Eating out may take on an entirely new meaning, scheduling the driverless car 
to pick us up a few minutes before the table is ready.  

Then when we use our phone to summon it again we would be picked up to take us 
to the Concert…I can’t grasp the vastness of where this may go….



> On Nov 18, 2018, at 8:17 PM, Ed Wiser  wrote:
> 
> As some one who takes care of elderly parents. I can see the value of 
> driverless cars. As I their current driver.  I can also see many younger 
> people who have not grown up in a car culture using a car as a conveyance and 
> not something that their ego is defined by. As in many big cities cars are 
> not needed due to good public transportation. Which car companies destroyed 
> post world war 2 in many smaller cities to create the demand for cars. An 
> today’s governments can not get tax support to develop public transportation. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2018, at 7:59 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’m not sure I’m ready for this. I remember a story I read in Boy’s life 
>> when I was a kid (mid 50s). It was about driverless vehicles. My question 
>> would be why do we need them? 
>> 
>> I’m just asking!
>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2018, at 7:15 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is a topic I threw out a few weeks ago, now a more definitive line in 
>>> the sand seems plausible..
>>> 
>>> I’m sending to this group as Apple is also deep into this technology, and 
>>> if this comes to even a fraction of the premise of the article then our 
>>> investments may need quite the adjustments as well as our lives.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What do you think?
>>> 
>>> The Jetson’s? 
>>> 
>>> Dick Tracey on a Hoverboard?
>>> 
>>> Reality?
>>> 
>>> My company has been preparing for this for years, they know, they have 
>>> informed us that our revenge, thus commissions, are going to tank…
>>> 
>>> The insurance industry needs the “float” to make the only profit that is 
>>> consistent…in the 47 years I’ve been with my company we’ve made an 
>>> UNDERWRITING profit a handful of times, yet most years we add several 
>>> billion to the reserve fund….through investment returns.
>>> 
>>> It’s so serious the company has devoted a massive amount of money to fund 
>>> “other businesses”.  
>>> 
>>> The company has created a new division charged with finding other 
>>> businesses we could jump into for as this article says…the technology is 
>>> going to drastically alter MANY businesses….insurance being one of the 
>>> hardest hit.
>>> 
>>> Your ideas on this projection, way off the mark or right on?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Driverless cars about to rock your world
>>> 
>>> 'Autonomous vehicles' poised to 'change everything'
>>> Published: 4 hours ago
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> WASHINGTON – When members of Congress are sworn into office in January, 
>>> some of them, or at least their lower-paid aides, are almost assuredly 
>>> going to be getting to work in a driverless cab or, “AV for or autonomous 
>>> vehicle,” as you will soon be calling it.
>>> 
>>> Yes, it’s here – a transportation revolution of unimaginable proportions 
>>> that goes way beyond Google’s Waymo AV cab service debuting next month in 
>>> Phoenix.
>>> 
>>> But 99.9 percent of Americans have not thought about what AVs are going to 
>>> mean to your lifestyle in the next five years.
>>> 
>>>   • You may never own one – or any other kind of car again.
>>> 
>>>   • Getting from here to there will be much cheaper and faster for 
>>> individuals, families and cargo.
>>> 
>>>   •  No matter what you think today, everyone will use them – everyone.
>>> 
>>>   • The day of people getting paid to drive anything on wheels – cars, 
>>> trucks, buses, limos, tour buses – will be over.
>>> 
>>>   • “Mass transportation” will be something found only in museums.
>>> 
>>> It may seem like this you’ve been hearing about this potential for a long 
>>> time without all that much happening. In reality, developments have been on 
>>> overdrive for a decade – just out of your view. 
>>> 
>>> For instance, Google has been working fast and furious on Waymo for 10 
>>> years, clocking up over 10 million test miles with over 5 million of those 
>>> miles recorded in 2018 alone.
>>> 
>>> And that’s just the beginning. Waymo has also done 7 billion computer 
>>> simulated driving miles of driving in 25 cities.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Waymo driverless car
>>> 
>>> Now these AVs are coming out of the shadows and very much into your view. 
>>> The only thing holding this story back from being the biggest thing in 
>>> America is our 

Re: [MacGroup] What do you think?

[Ed Wiser]

As some one who takes care of elderly parents. I can see the value of 
driverless cars. As I their current driver.  I can also see many younger 
people who have not grown up in a car culture using a car as a conveyance and 
not something that their ego is defined by. As in many big cities cars are not 
needed due to good public transportation. Which car companies destroyed post 
world war 2 in many smaller cities to create the demand for cars. An today’s 
governments can not get tax support to develop public transportation. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2018, at 7:59 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:
> 
> I’m not sure I’m ready for this. I remember a story I read in Boy’s life when 
> I was a kid (mid 50s). It was about driverless vehicles. My question would be 
> why do we need them? 
> 
> I’m just asking!
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2018, at 7:15 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> This is a topic I threw out a few weeks ago, now a more definitive line in 
>> the sand seems plausible..
>> 
>> I’m sending to this group as Apple is also deep into this technology, and if 
>> this comes to even a fraction of the premise of the article then our 
>> investments may need quite the adjustments as well as our lives.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> 
>> The Jetson’s? 
>> 
>> Dick Tracey on a Hoverboard?
>> 
>> Reality?
>> 
>> My company has been preparing for this for years, they know, they have 
>> informed us that our revenge, thus commissions, are going to tank…
>> 
>> The insurance industry needs the “float” to make the only profit that is 
>> consistent…in the 47 years I’ve been with my company we’ve made an 
>> UNDERWRITING profit a handful of times, yet most years we add several 
>> billion to the reserve fund….through investment returns.
>> 
>> It’s so serious the company has devoted a massive amount of money to fund 
>> “other businesses”.  
>> 
>> The company has created a new division charged with finding other businesses 
>> we could jump into for as this article says…the technology is going to 
>> drastically alter MANY businesses….insurance being one of the hardest hit.
>> 
>> Your ideas on this projection, way off the mark or right on?
>> 
>> 
>> Driverless cars about to rock your world
>> 
>> 'Autonomous vehicles' poised to 'change everything'
>> Published: 4 hours ago
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> WASHINGTON – When members of Congress are sworn into office in January, some 
>> of them, or at least their lower-paid aides, are almost assuredly going to 
>> be getting to work in a driverless cab or, “AV for or autonomous vehicle,” 
>> as you will soon be calling it.
>> 
>> Yes, it’s here – a transportation revolution of unimaginable proportions 
>> that goes way beyond Google’s Waymo AV cab service debuting next month in 
>> Phoenix.
>> 
>> But 99.9 percent of Americans have not thought about what AVs are going to 
>> mean to your lifestyle in the next five years.
>> 
>>• You may never own one – or any other kind of car again.
>> 
>>• Getting from here to there will be much cheaper and faster for 
>> individuals, families and cargo.
>> 
>>•  No matter what you think today, everyone will use them – everyone.
>> 
>>• The day of people getting paid to drive anything on wheels – cars, 
>> trucks, buses, limos, tour buses – will be over.
>> 
>>• “Mass transportation” will be something found only in museums.
>> 
>> It may seem like this you’ve been hearing about this potential for a long 
>> time without all that much happening. In reality, developments have been on 
>> overdrive for a decade – just out of your view. 
>> 
>> For instance, Google has been working fast and furious on Waymo for 10 
>> years, clocking up over 10 million test miles with over 5 million of those 
>> miles recorded in 2018 alone.
>> 
>> And that’s just the beginning. Waymo has also done 7 billion computer 
>> simulated driving miles of driving in 25 cities.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Waymo driverless car
>> 
>> Now these AVs are coming out of the shadows and very much into your view. 
>> The only thing holding this story back from being the biggest thing in 
>> America is our own limited imaginations.
>> 
>> This budding industry will “change everything,” insiders say, beyond your 
>> comprehension.
>> 
>> How many AVs are on the road today? Probably less than 1 million. In six 
>> years, there will be 60 million.
>> 
>> Remember how you missed the Amazon’s Initial Public Offering where people 
>> who invested $1,000 in 1997 were rewarded with $1,341,000? There will be 
>> dozens of IPOs like that will dwarf Jeff Bezos’ Amazon’s record-breaking 
>> fortune because of how big the profits from sales of cars and technology and 
>> innovation resulting from this new industry.
>> 
>> Expect Google’s Waymo to cost about the same as an Uber ride, which is a 
>> ripoff given the price of the ride is mainly the human element. But Google’s 
>> counting on people wanting the daredevil “experience” of taking driverless 
>> cars 

Re: [MacGroup] What do you think?

[John Robinson]

I’m not ready as well Harry, I still like drifting through a corner, scaring 
the passengers to death….like many I drive WAY in front of where I am, gauging 
where I’m going to be when the car coming up behind me arrives…BUT, if my 
insurance is going to cost over $600.00 for my own vehicle and I can have a 
secondary policy to cover any shortfall with the driverless vehicle but it cost 
me $50.00 every 6 months..now I might bite the carrot…

They are doing this for many reasons, safety is foremost. As the article said 
with the with 10 MILLION miles of testing there have been only 100 accidents 
involving the AV’s, and most of those were NOT the fault of the car.

The lower frequency alone will cause insurance premiums to plummet….

Once we get used to it we may never want to go back, traffic jams due to 
accidents would almost cease, when they did occur the AV’s would know and 
automatically take us on an alternative route…when we need a meal, bathroom 
break, we tell the car and it finds just what we want, heck the iPhone will 
take us to a restaurant of our choice while on a trip and override the larger 
destination for the temporary lunch break. and then back to the main route when 
ready.

What I’m thinking while working is WHAT are going to be the most disrupted 
industries?  What are going to be the up and coming firms?  Will the vehicle 
diagnose when it needs tires and drive itself to a shop equipped to handle this 
driverless consumer?

This is going to be a major revolution if indeed it comes about.

John



> On Nov 18, 2018, at 7:59 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:
> 
> I’m not sure I’m ready for this. I remember a story I read in Boy’s life when 
> I was a kid (mid 50s). It was about driverless vehicles. My question would be 
> why do we need them? 
> 
> I’m just asking!
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2018, at 7:15 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> This is a topic I threw out a few weeks ago, now a more definitive line in 
>> the sand seems plausible..
>> 
>> I’m sending to this group as Apple is also deep into this technology, and if 
>> this comes to even a fraction of the premise of the article then our 
>> investments may need quite the adjustments as well as our lives.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> 
>> The Jetson’s? 
>> 
>> Dick Tracey on a Hoverboard?
>> 
>> Reality?
>> 
>> My company has been preparing for this for years, they know, they have 
>> informed us that our revenge, thus commissions, are going to tank…
>> 
>> The insurance industry needs the “float” to make the only profit that is 
>> consistent…in the 47 years I’ve been with my company we’ve made an 
>> UNDERWRITING profit a handful of times, yet most years we add several 
>> billion to the reserve fund….through investment returns.
>> 
>> It’s so serious the company has devoted a massive amount of money to fund 
>> “other businesses”.  
>> 
>> The company has created a new division charged with finding other businesses 
>> we could jump into for as this article says…the technology is going to 
>> drastically alter MANY businesses….insurance being one of the hardest hit.
>> 
>> Your ideas on this projection, way off the mark or right on?
>> 
>> 
>> Driverless cars about to rock your world
>> 
>> 'Autonomous vehicles' poised to 'change everything'
>> Published: 4 hours ago
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> WASHINGTON – When members of Congress are sworn into office in January, some 
>> of them, or at least their lower-paid aides, are almost assuredly going to 
>> be getting to work in a driverless cab or, “AV for or autonomous vehicle,” 
>> as you will soon be calling it.
>> 
>> Yes, it’s here – a transportation revolution of unimaginable proportions 
>> that goes way beyond Google’s Waymo AV cab service debuting next month in 
>> Phoenix.
>> 
>> But 99.9 percent of Americans have not thought about what AVs are going to 
>> mean to your lifestyle in the next five years.
>> 
>>  • You may never own one – or any other kind of car again.
>> 
>>  • Getting from here to there will be much cheaper and faster for 
>> individuals, families and cargo.
>> 
>>  •  No matter what you think today, everyone will use them – everyone.
>> 
>>  • The day of people getting paid to drive anything on wheels – cars, 
>> trucks, buses, limos, tour buses – will be over.
>> 
>>  • “Mass transportation” will be something found only in museums.
>> 
>> It may seem like this you’ve been hearing about this potential for a long 
>> time without all that much happening. In reality, developments have been on 
>> overdrive for a decade – just out of your view. 
>> 
>> For instance, Google has been working fast and furious on Waymo for 10 
>> years, clocking up over 10 million test miles with over 5 million of those 
>> miles recorded in 2018 alone.
>> 
>> And that’s just the beginning. Waymo has also done 7 billion computer 
>> simulated driving miles of driving in 25 cities.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Waymo driverless car
>> 
>> Now these AVs are 

Re: [MacGroup] What do you think?

[Harry Jacobson-Beyer]

I’m not sure I’m ready for this. I remember a story I read in Boy’s life when I 
was a kid (mid 50s). It was about driverless vehicles. My question would be why 
do we need them? 

I’m just asking!

> On Nov 18, 2018, at 7:15 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> This is a topic I threw out a few weeks ago, now a more definitive line in 
> the sand seems plausible..
> 
> I’m sending to this group as Apple is also deep into this technology, and if 
> this comes to even a fraction of the premise of the article then our 
> investments may need quite the adjustments as well as our lives.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> The Jetson’s? 
> 
> Dick Tracey on a Hoverboard?
> 
> Reality?
> 
> My company has been preparing for this for years, they know, they have 
> informed us that our revenge, thus commissions, are going to tank…
> 
> The insurance industry needs the “float” to make the only profit that is 
> consistent…in the 47 years I’ve been with my company we’ve made an 
> UNDERWRITING profit a handful of times, yet most years we add several billion 
> to the reserve fund….through investment returns.
> 
> It’s so serious the company has devoted a massive amount of money to fund 
> “other businesses”.  
> 
> The company has created a new division charged with finding other businesses 
> we could jump into for as this article says…the technology is going to 
> drastically alter MANY businesses….insurance being one of the hardest hit.
> 
> Your ideas on this projection, way off the mark or right on?
> 
> 
> Driverless cars about to rock your world
> 
> 'Autonomous vehicles' poised to 'change everything'
> Published: 4 hours ago
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> WASHINGTON – When members of Congress are sworn into office in January, some 
> of them, or at least their lower-paid aides, are almost assuredly going to be 
> getting to work in a driverless cab or, “AV for or autonomous vehicle,” as 
> you will soon be calling it.
> 
> Yes, it’s here – a transportation revolution of unimaginable proportions that 
> goes way beyond Google’s Waymo AV cab service debuting next month in Phoenix.
> 
> But 99.9 percent of Americans have not thought about what AVs are going to 
> mean to your lifestyle in the next five years.
> 
>   • You may never own one – or any other kind of car again.
> 
>   • Getting from here to there will be much cheaper and faster for 
> individuals, families and cargo.
> 
>   •  No matter what you think today, everyone will use them – everyone.
> 
>   • The day of people getting paid to drive anything on wheels – cars, 
> trucks, buses, limos, tour buses – will be over.
> 
>   • “Mass transportation” will be something found only in museums.
> 
> It may seem like this you’ve been hearing about this potential for a long 
> time without all that much happening. In reality, developments have been on 
> overdrive for a decade – just out of your view. 
> 
> For instance, Google has been working fast and furious on Waymo for 10 years, 
> clocking up over 10 million test miles with over 5 million of those miles 
> recorded in 2018 alone.
> 
> And that’s just the beginning. Waymo has also done 7 billion computer 
> simulated driving miles of driving in 25 cities.
> 
> 
> 
> Waymo driverless car
> 
> Now these AVs are coming out of the shadows and very much into your view. The 
> only thing holding this story back from being the biggest thing in America is 
> our own limited imaginations.
> 
> This budding industry will “change everything,” insiders say, beyond your 
> comprehension.
> 
> How many AVs are on the road today? Probably less than 1 million. In six 
> years, there will be 60 million.
> 
> Remember how you missed the Amazon’s Initial Public Offering where people who 
> invested $1,000 in 1997 were rewarded with $1,341,000? There will be dozens 
> of IPOs like that will dwarf Jeff Bezos’ Amazon’s record-breaking fortune 
> because of how big the profits from sales of cars and technology and 
> innovation resulting from this new industry.
> 
> Expect Google’s Waymo to cost about the same as an Uber ride, which is a 
> ripoff given the price of the ride is mainly the human element. But Google’s 
> counting on people wanting the daredevil “experience” of taking driverless 
> cars initially. Later the prices will come way down. Even Uber will be forced 
> to go driverless or go out of business.
> 
> Think of the take-out food possibilities, the turnaround for Amazon 
> deliveries, the ability for low-cost pick-up and drop-off service anywhere 
> and everywhere with no tipping and no parking hassles. 
> 
> Some envision this is the revolution we’ve been waiting for to end the 
> commuting nightmare. These AVs could be built for smart commuting in mind.
> 
> The big breakthroughs in technology are the things that look like police 
> sirens on the roofs of these cars. These are not there to scare you but to 
> scoop up massive amounts of location data to keep these babies driving 
> safely. And 

[MacGroup] What do you think?

[John Robinson]

This is a topic I threw out a few weeks ago, now a more definitive line in the 
sand seems plausible..

I’m sending to this group as Apple is also deep into this technology, and if 
this comes to even a fraction of the premise of the article then our 
investments may need quite the adjustments as well as our lives.

John




What do you think?

The Jetson’s? 

Dick Tracey on a Hoverboard?

Reality?

My company has been preparing for this for years, they know, they have informed 
us that our revenge, thus commissions, are going to tank…

The insurance industry needs the “float” to make the only profit that is 
consistent…in the 47 years I’ve been with my company we’ve made an UNDERWRITING 
profit a handful of times, yet most years we add several billion to the reserve 
fund….through investment returns.

It’s so serious the company has devoted a massive amount of money to fund 
“other businesses”.  

The company has created a new division charged with finding other businesses we 
could jump into for as this article says…the technology is going to drastically 
alter MANY businesses….insurance being one of the hardest hit.

Your ideas on this projection, way off the mark or right on?


Driverless cars about to rock your world

'Autonomous vehicles' poised to 'change everything'
Published: 4 hours ago





WASHINGTON – When members of Congress are sworn into office in January, some of 
them, or at least their lower-paid aides, are almost assuredly going to be 
getting to work in a driverless cab or, “AV for or autonomous vehicle,” as you 
will soon be calling it.

Yes, it’s here – a transportation revolution of unimaginable proportions that 
goes way beyond Google’s Waymo AV cab service debuting next month in Phoenix.

But 99.9 percent of Americans have not thought about what AVs are going to mean 
to your lifestyle in the next five years.

You may never own one – or any other kind of car again.

Getting from here to there will be much cheaper and faster for individuals, 
families and cargo.

 No matter what you think today, everyone will use them – everyone.

The day of people getting paid to drive anything on wheels – cars, trucks, 
buses, limos, tour buses – will be over.

“Mass transportation” will be something found only in museums.

It may seem like this you’ve been hearing about this potential for a long time 
without all that much happening. In reality, developments have been on 
overdrive for a decade – just out of your view. 

For instance, Google has been working fast and furious on Waymo for 10 years, 
clocking up over 10 million test miles with over 5 million of those miles 
recorded in 2018 alone.

And that’s just the beginning. Waymo has also done 7 billion computer simulated 
driving miles of driving in 25 cities.



Waymo driverless car

Now these AVs are coming out of the shadows and very much into your view. The 
only thing holding this story back from being the biggest thing in America is 
our own limited imaginations.

This budding industry will “change everything,” insiders say, beyond your 
comprehension.

How many AVs are on the road today? Probably less than 1 million. In six years, 
there will be 60 million.

Remember how you missed the Amazon’s Initial Public Offering where people who 
invested $1,000 in 1997 were rewarded with $1,341,000? There will be dozens of 
IPOs like that will dwarf Jeff Bezos’ Amazon’s record-breaking fortune because 
of how big the profits from sales of cars and technology and innovation 
resulting from this new industry.

Expect Google’s Waymo to cost about the same as an Uber ride, which is a ripoff 
given the price of the ride is mainly the human element. But Google’s counting 
on people wanting the daredevil “experience” of taking driverless cars 
initially. Later the prices will come way down. Even Uber will be forced to go 
driverless or go out of business.

Think of the take-out food possibilities, the turnaround for Amazon deliveries, 
the ability for low-cost pick-up and drop-off service anywhere and everywhere 
with no tipping and no parking hassles. 

Some envision this is the revolution we’ve been waiting for to end the 
commuting nightmare. These AVs could be built for smart commuting in mind.

The big breakthroughs in technology are the things that look like police sirens 
on the roofs of these cars. These are not there to scare you but to scoop up 
massive amounts of location data to keep these babies driving safely. And so 
far there is little doubt that we human beings have been doing that for the 
last 100 years.

Have there been accidents? You bet. Just over 100. But most were minor and 
caused by other cars, bikes and pedestrians. By contrast, there were 40,000 
traffic-related deaths in the U.S. last year. Researchers say 94 percent of 
those accidents are caused by human error.

So, how big will this thing really be?

Most experts agree it will be bigger exponentially than the birth of the 
automobile itself.

Car insurance will need to 

Re: [MacGroup] What do you think?

[John Robinson]

Thanks Peter, good to hear from you….it’s hard to know who to trust, …we have 
to try to pick the best of the lot….

Interesting story of your experience with Google, I guess more than one of us 
have had them fail us….thanks for sharing...

John



> On Oct 16, 2018, at 2:57 PM, Peter McGrath  wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> Yes, I have been using Duck Duck Go for some time now.  I don't trust them or 
> anything they say, but it feels good to not use Google, for whatever that's 
> worth.
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2018, at 04:41 AM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I would love to get away from Google, they are way too intrusive into our 
>> lives but I didn’t like Bling so I’ve stuck with the dark side..
>> 
>> Then tonight a friend suggestedL 
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__duckduckgo.com=DwIFaQ=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=aaTiFAsIo7lSFfWPAKk5SetILYicg9lxS0eWspvKAQo=G2TSKIJirBVcrNb7jn62zE2Z0WHfhhMSuMxgYxrZY7k=
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> I’ve been trying it out as my default search engine for the last hour…so far 
>> so good.
>> 
>> Have any of you tried this company They make it clear they don’t store a 
>> thing of our footprint….
>> 
>> Any ideas on them?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
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[Peter McGrath]

Google mislead me in Vienna, almost missed my bus.  Had to ask a young couple 
who fortunately understood English, had to ask a silly question which made me 
look stupid, (I will explain if anyone wants to know the details) had to run 
back to the subway and head to the exit that I originally decided upon without 
Google's help,  and then frantically search for my bus.  It was only because 
the driver was patient,compassionate and or conscientious, that I was able to 
finally board the bus late in the evening and make it back to my destination 
and much needed rest.  (... and all this with my heart condition)




On Oct 16, 2018, at 05:19 AM, John Robinson  wrote:


Lee,


As far as maps, I know I must be missing something but for my needs Apple’s 
Maps have not failed…maybe no street view, but what I’ve needed is to get from 
point A to point B…if you remember, it was 60 minutes, 20/20 or one of the 
other news stations that featured Google maps in a long story about this young 
girl that followed Google Maps to end up lost in the desert, out of gas.  


For days air rescue and ground teams searched for her….FINALLY, she was 
found…Google refused to comment…


I did a test a few years ago using a Garmin Satellite GPS, Apple Maps and 
Google Maps.  I was in Charlestown Indiana doing inspections on residences…


I wrote a long report, at that time the Garmin did well, Apple did well but 
Google had me out with a bunch of cows…I was determined to follow the 
directions no matter where each of the systems led me, Google had me turning on 
roads that didn’t exist, it ran me in circles and never did get me where I 
needed while the other two did.


Google Earth is another animal, that is a great piece of software, but their 
Maps I can live without.


John






On Oct 15, 2018, at 10:59 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:


On Oct 15, 2018, at 10:40 PM, John Robinson  wrote:


I would love to get away from Google, they are way too intrusive into our lives 
but I didn’t like Bling so I’ve stuck with the dark side..



I’ve been using Duck Duck Go instead of Google for years and have been quite 
satisfied. The one place where Google beats them hands down is with maps.


L^2

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[Peter McGrath]

John,



Yes, I have been using Duck Duck Go for some time now.  I don't trust them or 
anything they say, but it feels good to not use Google, for whatever that's 
worth.



Peter




On Oct 16, 2018, at 04:41 AM, John Robinson  wrote:



I would love to get away from Google, they are way too intrusive into our lives 
but I didn’t like Bling so I’ve stuck with the dark side..

Then tonight a friend suggestedL 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__duckduckgo.com=DwIFaQ=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=aaTiFAsIo7lSFfWPAKk5SetILYicg9lxS0eWspvKAQo=G2TSKIJirBVcrNb7jn62zE2Z0WHfhhMSuMxgYxrZY7k=

I’ve been trying it out as my default search engine for the last hour…so far so 
good.

Have any of you tried this company They make it clear they don’t store a thing 
of our footprint….

Any ideas on them?


Thanks,


John



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[John Robinson]

Don’t think it happened William, the write up in Wikipedia implies they are 
still on their own,…in fact this year I guess they upset a few of their 
customers based on the line below from the article.


In January 2018 the company faced criticism for announcing that it would no 
longer be providing map updates for some devices. It also said that "lifetime" 
meant the "useful life" of a device.

John




> On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:37 AM, William Micou  wrote:
> 
> I thought they bought TomTom’s gps technology a few years ago. 
> 
> "It’s the sides of the mountain which sustain life, not the top.”
> 
> On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Jonathan Fletcher  > wrote:
> 
>> Maybe Apple's purchase of a mapping company might help it improve.
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I thought they bought TomTom’s gps technology a few years ago. 

"It’s the sides of the mountain which sustain life, not the top.”

> On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Jonathan Fletcher  
> wrote:
> 
> Maybe Apple's purchase of a mapping company might help it improve.
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Literally MILES away. Once it was out in the country, and there was no excuse 
because the streets and houses were old.

The other was within Louisville, It took me to Broadway when I should have been 
out on Fegenbush. Granted the place that we were looking for USED to be on 
Broadway, but it had been at least a year since they had moved out. That’s just 
slow to change, but the other one had no excuse--It was pretty much in the next 
town over from where I needed to be and nothing had changed, probably in 
decades. 

Maybe Apple's purchase of a mapping company might help it improve.

Jonathan


> On Oct 16, 2018, at 10:57 AM, John Robinson  > wrote:
> Are you kidding, on the opposite side of town….geez! 

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Are you kidding, on the opposite side of town….geez! 

I don’t even use maps anymore I simply ask Siri to get me where I want to 
go…even if you have a route programmed and you want to get off for a meal, pick 
up the iPhone, ask Siri for the nearest Panera Bread, for instance, and now 
that route will be used…once you’ve arrived you’ll be taken back to your 
original route…pretty cool stuff...

So far I’ve never had an experience such as you….thankfully.


John




> On Oct 16, 2018, at 10:51 AM, Jonathan Fletcher  
> wrote:
> 
> The SECOND time I ended up on the opposite side of town from where I needed 
> to be (while running late anyway) I took Apple Maps off my iPhone. Granted, 
> Google Maps isn’t so convenient in all the places on iOS that allow you to 
> “Look up in Maps,” but at least it knows how to get me where I need to be. 
> (It’s probably time to see if Apple Maps has improved their data any.)
> 
> Jonathan
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2018, at 10:41 AM, Lee Larson > > wrote:
>> 
>> I was not attacking Apple maps. I was merely pointing out that DuckDuckGo 
>> doesn’t have anything comparable to the maps from Google. For my purposes, I 
>> switch between the three different navigation programs: Google, Apple and 
>> Waze. (Google owns Waze.)
>> 
>> Google and Waze have better current traffic information, probably because 
>> that’s what Waze was made to do. Google also has bicycle routes, which I use 
>> quite a bit when bicycling in cities away from home.
>> 
>> Apple is easy to use on the go because of Siri. It also seems to have a 
>> cleaner look.
>> 
>> L^2
>> 
>> PS/ Apple maps has a little mistake that I’ve reported to them several times 
>> to no avail.
>> 
>> When I was small, we lived on Horseshoe Lake Circle near Negaunee, Michigan. 
>> If you search for this in Apple maps, you’ll see the horseshoe-shaped lake 
>> near there is called, by Apple maps, Morgan Pond. It’s actually Horseshoe 
>> Lake.
>> 
>> Morgan Pond is several miles to the east. The pond is on the map, but is not 
>> named. You can see it by using the search “Morgan Creek Negaunee Michigan.” 
>> You can see a creek clearly labeled Morgan Creek flowing into the unnamed 
>> pond.
> 
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The SECOND time I ended up on the opposite side of town from where I needed to 
be (while running late anyway) I took Apple Maps off my iPhone. Granted, Google 
Maps isn’t so convenient in all the places on iOS that allow you to “Look up in 
Maps,” but at least it knows how to get me where I need to be. (It’s probably 
time to see if Apple Maps has improved their data any.)

Jonathan

> On Oct 16, 2018, at 10:41 AM, Lee Larson  > wrote:
> 
> I was not attacking Apple maps. I was merely pointing out that DuckDuckGo 
> doesn’t have anything comparable to the maps from Google. For my purposes, I 
> switch between the three different navigation programs: Google, Apple and 
> Waze. (Google owns Waze.)
> 
> Google and Waze have better current traffic information, probably because 
> that’s what Waze was made to do. Google also has bicycle routes, which I use 
> quite a bit when bicycling in cities away from home.
> 
> Apple is easy to use on the go because of Siri. It also seems to have a 
> cleaner look.
> 
> L^2
> 
> PS/ Apple maps has a little mistake that I’ve reported to them several times 
> to no avail.
> 
> When I was small, we lived on Horseshoe Lake Circle near Negaunee, Michigan. 
> If you search for this in Apple maps, you’ll see the horseshoe-shaped lake 
> near there is called, by Apple maps, Morgan Pond. It’s actually Horseshoe 
> Lake.
> 
> Morgan Pond is several miles to the east. The pond is on the map, but is not 
> named. You can see it by using the search “Morgan Creek Negaunee Michigan.” 
> You can see a creek clearly labeled Morgan Creek flowing into the unnamed 
> pond.

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[John Robinson]

Cool, at my age, leading a Revolution….

Yes Dan, getting away from these firms that treat our security as a 
monetization of their wealth is wrong.


John


> On Oct 16, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Dan Crutcher  wrote:
> 
> I just switched my default search engine to DuckDuckGo. Like you, I’d rather 
> not support Google (or Facebook or Amazon) or anyone who makes money by 
> capturing and selling information about me.
> 
>>> 
 On Oct 15, 2018, at 10:59 PM, Lee Larson >>> > wrote:
 
 On Oct 15, 2018, at 10:40 PM, John Robinson >>> > wrote:
 
> I would love to get away from Google, they are way too intrusive into our 
> lives but I didn’t like Bling so I’ve stuck with the dark side..
 
 I’ve been using Duck Duck Go instead of Google for years and have been 
 quite satisfied. The one place where Google beats them hands down is with 
 maps.
 
 L^2
 
 ---
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 ‌leelar...@me.com ‌
 
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 conclusion. ‌— George Bernard Shaw
 ‌Saturday Review of Literature, 1933‌
 
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[Dan Crutcher]

I just switched my default search engine to DuckDuckGo. Like you, I’d rather 
not support Google (or Facebook or Amazon) or anyone who makes money by 
capturing and selling information about me.

>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2018, at 10:59 PM, Lee Larson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2018, at 10:40 PM, John Robinson >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I would love to get away from Google, they are way too intrusive into our 
 lives but I didn’t like Bling so I’ve stuck with the dark side..
>>> 
>>> I’ve been using Duck Duck Go instead of Google for years and have been 
>>> quite satisfied. The one place where Google beats them hands down is with 
>>> maps.
>>> 
>>> L^2
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> ‌Lee Larson‌
>>> ‌leelar...@me.com ‌
>>> 
>>> ‌If all the world's economists were laid end to end, we wouldn't reach a 
>>> conclusion. ‌— George Bernard Shaw
>>> ‌Saturday Review of Literature, 1933‌
>>> 
>>> ‌‌‌
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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[Harry Jacobson-Beyer]

Thanks I set it as my default search engine.

> On Oct 15, 2018, at 10:40 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> 
> I would love to get away from Google, they are way too intrusive into our 
> lives but I didn’t like Bling so I’ve stuck with the dark side..
> 
> Then tonight a friend suggestedL   
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__duckduckgo.com=DwIFaQ=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=aaTiFAsIo7lSFfWPAKk5SetILYicg9lxS0eWspvKAQo=G2TSKIJirBVcrNb7jn62zE2Z0WHfhhMSuMxgYxrZY7k=
> 
> I’ve been trying it out as my default search engine for the last hour…so far 
> so good.
> 
> Have any of you tried this company  They make it clear they don’t store a 
> thing of our footprint….
> 
> Any ideas on them?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> John
> 
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[John Robinson]

Tom,  

Years ago we drove out of Pennsylvania into N. Jersey.  There was a Garmin 
Satellite GPS & the iPhone cellular as a backup.  

How we ended up where we did I don’t know, neither did either of our mapping 
devices.  They both had us driving in circles & this wasn’t an area you wanted 
to be lost.  

We had no direction, it was obvious no one had driven the area to map it & the 
only way we could get out of the mess was to follow a compass & drive South.  
Finally both GPS’s started working & gave correct info.   

Maybe Google would have worked, but I doubt it, there are areas not covered. 

John

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 15, 2018, at 11:32 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
> 
> Only problem I’ve had with apple maps is on Oahu. Tries to have u make u 
> turns where a sign clearly states no u turn. Also tries to have u go where a 
> street has ended because a freeway was built with no way to get across. 
> Never has failed me on Maui or mainland.
> Tom
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 5:19 PM John Robinson  
>> wrote:
>> Lee,
>> 
>> As far as maps, I know I must be missing something but for my needs Apple’s 
>> Maps have not failed…maybe no street view, but what I’ve needed is to get 
>> from point A to point B…if you remember, it was 60 minutes, 20/20 or one of 
>> the other news stations that featured Google maps in a long story about this 
>> young girl that followed Google Maps to end up lost in the desert, out of 
>> gas.  
>> 
>> For days air rescue and ground teams searched for her….FINALLY, she was 
>> found…Google refused to comment…
>> 
>> I did a test a few years ago using a Garmin Satellite GPS, Apple Maps and 
>> Google Maps.  I was in Charlestown Indiana doing inspections on residences…
>> 
>> I wrote a long report, at that time the Garmin did well, Apple did well but 
>> Google had me out with a bunch of cows…I was determined to follow the 
>> directions no matter where each of the systems led me, Google had me turning 
>> on roads that didn’t exist, it ran me in circles and never did get me where 
>> I needed while the other two did.
>> 
>> Google Earth is another animal, that is a great piece of software, but their 
>> Maps I can live without.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2018, at 10:59 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:
>>> 
 On Oct 15, 2018, at 10:40 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
 
 I would love to get away from Google, they are way too intrusive into our 
 lives but I didn’t like Bling so I’ve stuck with the dark side..
>>> 
>>> I’ve been using Duck Duck Go instead of Google for years and have been 
>>> quite satisfied. The one place where Google beats them hands down is with 
>>> maps.
>>> 
>>> L^2
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> ‌Lee Larson‌
>>> ‌leelar...@me.com‌
>>> 
>>> ‌If all the world's economists were laid end to end, we wouldn't reach a 
>>> conclusion. ‌— George Bernard Shaw
>>> ‌Saturday Review of Literature, 1933‌
>>> 
>>> ‌‌‌
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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[John Robinson]

Lee,

As far as maps, I know I must be missing something but for my needs Apple’s 
Maps have not failed…maybe no street view, but what I’ve needed is to get from 
point A to point B…if you remember, it was 60 minutes, 20/20 or one of the 
other news stations that featured Google maps in a long story about this young 
girl that followed Google Maps to end up lost in the desert, out of gas.  

For days air rescue and ground teams searched for her….FINALLY, she was 
found…Google refused to comment…

I did a test a few years ago using a Garmin Satellite GPS, Apple Maps and 
Google Maps.  I was in Charlestown Indiana doing inspections on residences…

I wrote a long report, at that time the Garmin did well, Apple did well but 
Google had me out with a bunch of cows…I was determined to follow the 
directions no matter where each of the systems led me, Google had me turning on 
roads that didn’t exist, it ran me in circles and never did get me where I 
needed while the other two did.

Google Earth is another animal, that is a great piece of software, but their 
Maps I can live without.

John



> On Oct 15, 2018, at 10:59 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:
> 
> On Oct 15, 2018, at 10:40 PM, John Robinson  > wrote:
> 
>> I would love to get away from Google, they are way too intrusive into our 
>> lives but I didn’t like Bling so I’ve stuck with the dark side..
> 
> I’ve been using Duck Duck Go instead of Google for years and have been quite 
> satisfied. The one place where Google beats them hands down is with maps.
> 
> L^2
> 
> ---
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> ‌leelar...@me.com ‌
> 
> ‌If all the world's economists were laid end to end, we wouldn't reach a 
> conclusion. ‌— George Bernard Shaw
> ‌Saturday Review of Literature, 1933‌
> 
> ‌‌‌
> 
> 
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[John Robinson]

Thanks Tom and Lee, this is good news, I really can’t tolerate using Google…I 
wish I had know about this crazy sounding search engine long ago.

After Google’s Eric Schmidt resigned from the Apple Board and took all the 
secrets of the iPhone to Google, stealing the development Apple had spent vast 
sums in time and money to then bring to market the Android phone within months 
of the iPhone…well, that says all we need to know about the companies ethics….

Appreciate your replies.

John



> On Oct 15, 2018, at 10:59 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:
> 
> On Oct 15, 2018, at 10:40 PM, John Robinson  > wrote:
> 
>> I would love to get away from Google, they are way too intrusive into our 
>> lives but I didn’t like Bling so I’ve stuck with the dark side..
> 
> I’ve been using Duck Duck Go instead of Google for years and have been quite 
> satisfied. The one place where Google beats them hands down is with maps.
> 
> L^2
> 
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> ‌leelar...@me.com ‌
> 
> ‌If all the world's economists were laid end to end, we wouldn't reach a 
> conclusion. ‌— George Bernard Shaw
> ‌Saturday Review of Literature, 1933‌
> 
> ‌‌‌
> 
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On Oct 15, 2018, at 10:40 PM, John Robinson mailto:profilecoven...@me.com>> wrote:

> I would love to get away from Google, they are way too intrusive into our 
> lives but I didn’t like Bling so I’ve stuck with the dark side..

I’ve been using Duck Duck Go instead of Google for years and have been quite 
satisfied. The one place where Google beats them hands down is with maps.

L^2

---
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‌leelar...@me.com ‌

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[tom holloman]

Aloha John
I have been using DuckDuckGo for a good while with no problems. I love it.
Tom

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 15, 2018, at 4:40 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> 
> I would love to get away from Google, they are way too intrusive into our 
> lives but I didn’t like Bling so I’ve stuck with the dark side..
> 
> Then tonight a friend suggestedL   
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__duckduckgo.com=DwIFaQ=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=aaTiFAsIo7lSFfWPAKk5SetILYicg9lxS0eWspvKAQo=G2TSKIJirBVcrNb7jn62zE2Z0WHfhhMSuMxgYxrZY7k=
> 
> I’ve been trying it out as my default search engine for the last hour…so far 
> so good.
> 
> Have any of you tried this company  They make it clear they don’t store a 
> thing of our footprint….
> 
> Any ideas on them?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> John
> 
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[John Robinson]

I would love to get away from Google, they are way too intrusive into our lives 
but I didn’t like Bling so I’ve stuck with the dark side..

Then tonight a friend suggestedL   
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__duckduckgo.com=DwIFaQ=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=aaTiFAsIo7lSFfWPAKk5SetILYicg9lxS0eWspvKAQo=G2TSKIJirBVcrNb7jn62zE2Z0WHfhhMSuMxgYxrZY7k=

I’ve been trying it out as my default search engine for the last hour…so far so 
good.

Have any of you tried this company  They make it clear they don’t store a thing 
of our footprint….

Any ideas on them?


Thanks,


John



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[MacGroup] What does Dementia Look Like?

[John Robinson]

Joking of course but Buffett feels Apple will have a market cap of 2 TRILLION 
within a few short years….WOW, that’s a lot of confidence…

John


Warren Buffett Betting That Apple Is Worth $2 Trillion: Whitney Tilson
Warren Buffett's bet on Apple is not a short-term trade by any means. Buffett 
expert and former hedge fund manager Whitney Tilson explains Buffett's thinking 
on the tech giant.

Brian Sozzi 

Apple (AAPL  - Get Report 
)
 to $1 trillion? Who cares.

The real bet is the one Berkshire Hathaway's  (BRK.A 
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  chief Warren Buffett may be making: $2 trillion Apple valuation.

"He clearly views it as a long-term hold, and it will certainly compound over 
$1 trillion in the not too distant future -- and then double again in the next 
five years," says former hedge fund manager and Buffett expert Whitney Tilson. 
"I don't think it's a bad bet, as a Berkshire shareholder I am happy he owns 
Apple."

The billionaire's holding conglomerate Berkshire Hathaway hiked its stake in 
Apple by a whopping 23% to 165.3 million shares in the fourth quarter,  
according to a filing 
earlier
 in the year. Buffett has shown a voracious appetite to eat up Apple as the 
tech giant returns massive amounts of cash to shareholders via dividends and 
buybacks. It doesn't hurt that Apple's iPhone remains a dominant force in the 
smartphone market and services revenues is strong. 
In the third quarter, Buffett upped his stake in Apple by roughly 3% to about 
134 million shares. 

Berkshire acquired its  first stake 

 in Apple in May 2016. At the time, the conglomerate said that it purchased 9.8 
million shares during the first quarter at an average price of about $109 a 
share. 
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[John Robinson]

Ed,

I guess if it would stop at advertising we would just have to put up with the 
clutter, what if it involves an opposing political party, a competing company, 
a vindictive X spouse, the IRS and on it goes…now we have a bigger issue.  I’ve 
just deleted Facebook from the iPhone and will the iPad…leaving it only on the 
Mac..but my wife’s mobile devices are still connected….bummer.

John



> On Apr 29, 2018, at 3:53 PM, Ed Wiser  wrote:
> 
> This is our new reality. Companies will spy on you to find out how to 
> advertise to you. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 29, 2018, at 3:42 PM, John Robinson  > wrote:
> 
>> William,
>> 
>> This is the answer, it’s EXACTLY what the girls experienced…so, what do I 
>> do?  I would do away with Facebook immediately but my wife loves to stay in 
>> touch with her friends..
>> 
>> I appreciate you sending.
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 3:17 PM, William Micou >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I sent a link separately to a podcast I listen to- ‘Reply All’,  that asked 
>>> if Facebook was using our phone/ computer’s mics to listen. 
>>> Here it is for this thread:
>>> Listen to #109 Is Facebook Spying on You? from Reply All in Podcasts. 
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__itunes.apple.com_us_podcast_reply-2Dall_id941907967-3Fmt-3D2-26i-3D1000394325441=DwIFaQ=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=acOTgPnzfkBEKVGq-B3eb0TLPHpZkvT0nRGE8pMYkNA=MBJepotnACWxtPcl_9XUZ1ESkvyjjnOT237J95lYw_I=
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "It’s the sides of the mountain which sustain life, not the top.”
>>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:56 PM, John Robinson >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I think the only possibility is an App that may have slipped by Apple.  
 What I think is more plausible is the home is leased throughout the year, 
 either the gal that owns it has a device that she keeps track of the 
 tenants & doesn’t want to admit or one of the tenants has installed 
 something.  I’ve sent her all my suggestions including installing a 
 Fingbox so she can track what’s on her network & be notified when 
 something had been added.  I’m sure there’s an explanation 
 
 John
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:41 PM, tom holloman > wrote:
 
> Hopefully you find out it’s not an Apple device listening.
> 
> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:25 PM, John Robinson  > wrote:
> 
>> Sounds reasonable Tom…there has to be an explanation.  This wasn’t in a 
>> hotel, it’s the vacation home of one of the girls.  I’m going to write 
>> her in the morning attempting to get more info. about the house.  I know 
>> that many of the smart TV’s can be controlled by outside forces, turning 
>> on the camera and I assume the microphones….some folks put tape over the 
>> camera to attempt some privacy…
>> 
>> These ladies are quite sharp, well educated, tech savvy, the lady that 
>> owns the home I put into Mac computer’s years ago, her husband is a 
>> Windows guy but she wanted to go Mac so I took a day off and went to her 
>> home to instruct her on a few items, she caught on quickly and only 
>> contacted me a couple times later, now she is well versed and I never 
>> hear from her…
>> 
>> I say this only to explain they aren’t the type that can hardly find the 
>> on button…while there my daughter rewrote a Real Estate contract, sent 
>> to her client for their signature then sent the signed document to the 
>> seller’s agent…she also wrote an offer on another piece of property for 
>> another client, all on her iPad….
>> 
>> But understanding how their voices could direct advertising is something 
>> they want to understand.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 11:32 PM, tom holloman >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is this 1984?
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 4:50 PM John Robinson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> My daughter and two of her friends went to Hilton Head for a few days.  
>>> All three use nothing but Apple Products, there is an Apple TV in the 
>>> home, iPads, 

Re: [MacGroup] What is Happening?

[Ed Wiser]

This is our new reality. Companies will spy on you to find out how to advertise 
to you. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2018, at 3:42 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> William,
> 
> This is the answer, it’s EXACTLY what the girls experienced…so, what do I do? 
>  I would do away with Facebook immediately but my wife loves to stay in touch 
> with her friends..
> 
> I appreciate you sending.
> 
> 
> John
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 3:17 PM, William Micou  wrote:
>> 
>> I sent a link separately to a podcast I listen to- ‘Reply All’,  that asked 
>> if Facebook was using our phone/ computer’s mics to listen. 
>> Here it is for this thread:
>> Listen to #109 Is Facebook Spying on You? from Reply All in Podcasts. 
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__itunes.apple.com_us_podcast_reply-2Dall_id941907967-3Fmt-3D2-26i-3D1000394325441=DwIFaQ=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=vjUyzx4-xSHLALWHXWiYLBFBdq7YIJ89Mz7k0GXmxlM=5mldv4mB-6Z7delmDS9cGRFIWaxY6N22peOQoOFm3nk=
>> 
>> "It’s the sides of the mountain which sustain life, not the top.”
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:56 PM, John Robinson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the only possibility is an App that may have slipped by Apple.  
>>> What I think is more plausible is the home is leased throughout the year, 
>>> either the gal that owns it has a device that she keeps track of the 
>>> tenants & doesn’t want to admit or one of the tenants has installed 
>>> something.  I’ve sent her all my suggestions including installing a Fingbox 
>>> so she can track what’s on her network & be notified when something had 
>>> been added.  I’m sure there’s an explanation 
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:41 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
 
 Hopefully you find out it’s not an Apple device listening.
 
> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:25 PM, John Robinson  
> wrote:
> 
> Sounds reasonable Tom…there has to be an explanation.  This wasn’t in a 
> hotel, it’s the vacation home of one of the girls.  I’m going to write 
> her in the morning attempting to get more info. about the house.  I know 
> that many of the smart TV’s can be controlled by outside forces, turning 
> on the camera and I assume the microphones….some folks put tape over the 
> camera to attempt some privacy…
> 
> These ladies are quite sharp, well educated, tech savvy, the lady that 
> owns the home I put into Mac computer’s years ago, her husband is a 
> Windows guy but she wanted to go Mac so I took a day off and went to her 
> home to instruct her on a few items, she caught on quickly and only 
> contacted me a couple times later, now she is well versed and I never 
> hear from her…
> 
> I say this only to explain they aren’t the type that can hardly find the 
> on button…while there my daughter rewrote a Real Estate contract, sent to 
> her client for their signature then sent the signed document to the 
> seller’s agent…she also wrote an offer on another piece of property for 
> another client, all on her iPad….
> 
> But understanding how their voices could direct advertising is something 
> they want to understand.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 11:32 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
>> 
>> Is this 1984?
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 4:50 PM John Robinson  
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My daughter and two of her friends went to Hilton Head for a few days.  
>>> All three use nothing but Apple Products, there is an Apple TV in the 
>>> home, iPads, and three iPhones that belong to each of the ladies.
>>> 
>>> One evening they were discussing a product, TV was not on, Apple TV was 
>>> not on.  None of them had their iPhones on, none of them were using 
>>> their phones to do a search for the product.
>>> 
>>> The next morning all three of the iPhones popped up advertisements for 
>>> the product they had ONLY verbally been discussing the evening 
>>> before….freaked them out.
>>> 
>>> So, they tried it again, shutting off everything but leaving the phones 
>>> in their purses.  They discussed a completely different product…sure 
>>> enough all three soon received information on this new subject.
>>> 
>>> We all know that doing a search for a product will bring scads of 
>>> advertisements for the product and competing products..
>>> 
>>> But, if there were no searches, only verbal discussions how is this 
>>> information being harvested by some devise in the home.  I don’t know 
>>> if they have an Echo or an Alexa.  I suppose if they do then even if 
>>> the devise is spying on them how does 

Re: [MacGroup] What is Happening?

[John Robinson]

William,

This is the answer, it’s EXACTLY what the girls experienced…so, what do I do?  
I would do away with Facebook immediately but my wife loves to stay in touch 
with her friends..

I appreciate you sending.


John

> On Apr 29, 2018, at 3:17 PM, William Micou  wrote:
> 
> I sent a link separately to a podcast I listen to- ‘Reply All’,  that asked 
> if Facebook was using our phone/ computer’s mics to listen. 
> Here it is for this thread:
> Listen to #109 Is Facebook Spying on You? from Reply All in Podcasts. 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__itunes.apple.com_us_podcast_reply-2Dall_id941907967-3Fmt-3D2-26i-3D1000394325441=DwIFaQ=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=Dcp67fbhjlJSJxSYJXul-dW1brladDAVPO4lhVZNa9U=r-r1WDID-Rfxf3zTwyEeOLRdyJMEMEl91I--Bj5mqzo=
>  
> 
> 
> "It’s the sides of the mountain which sustain life, not the top.”
> 
> On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:56 PM, John Robinson  > wrote:
> 
>> I think the only possibility is an App that may have slipped by Apple.  What 
>> I think is more plausible is the home is leased throughout the year, either 
>> the gal that owns it has a device that she keeps track of the tenants & 
>> doesn’t want to admit or one of the tenants has installed something.  I’ve 
>> sent her all my suggestions including installing a Fingbox so she can track 
>> what’s on her network & be notified when something had been added.  I’m sure 
>> there’s an explanation 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:41 PM, tom holloman > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hopefully you find out it’s not an Apple device listening.
>>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:25 PM, John Robinson >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Sounds reasonable Tom…there has to be an explanation.  This wasn’t in a 
 hotel, it’s the vacation home of one of the girls.  I’m going to write her 
 in the morning attempting to get more info. about the house.  I know that 
 many of the smart TV’s can be controlled by outside forces, turning on the 
 camera and I assume the microphones….some folks put tape over the camera 
 to attempt some privacy…
 
 These ladies are quite sharp, well educated, tech savvy, the lady that 
 owns the home I put into Mac computer’s years ago, her husband is a 
 Windows guy but she wanted to go Mac so I took a day off and went to her 
 home to instruct her on a few items, she caught on quickly and only 
 contacted me a couple times later, now she is well versed and I never hear 
 from her…
 
 I say this only to explain they aren’t the type that can hardly find the 
 on button…while there my daughter rewrote a Real Estate contract, sent to 
 her client for their signature then sent the signed document to the 
 seller’s agent…she also wrote an offer on another piece of property for 
 another client, all on her iPad….
 
 But understanding how their voices could direct advertising is something 
 they want to understand.
 
 John
 
 
 
> On Apr 28, 2018, at 11:32 PM, tom holloman  > wrote:
> 
> Is this 1984?
> 
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 4:50 PM John Robinson  > wrote:
> 
> My daughter and two of her friends went to Hilton Head for a few days.  
> All three use nothing but Apple Products, there is an Apple TV in the 
> home, iPads, and three iPhones that belong to each of the ladies.
> 
> One evening they were discussing a product, TV was not on, Apple TV was 
> not on.  None of them had their iPhones on, none of them were using their 
> phones to do a search for the product.
> 
> The next morning all three of the iPhones popped up advertisements for 
> the product they had ONLY verbally been discussing the evening 
> before….freaked them out.
> 
> So, they tried it again, shutting off everything but leaving the phones 
> in their purses.  They discussed a completely different product…sure 
> enough all three soon received information on this new subject.
> 
> We all know that doing a search for a product will bring scads of 
> advertisements for the product and competing products..
> 
> But, if there were no searches, only verbal discussions how is this 
> information 

Re: [MacGroup] What is Happening?

[John Robinson]

Thanks William, I’m listening to it now…

John

> On Apr 29, 2018, at 3:17 PM, William Micou  wrote:
> 
> I sent a link separately to a podcast I listen to- ‘Reply All’,  that asked 
> if Facebook was using our phone/ computer’s mics to listen. 
> Here it is for this thread:
> Listen to #109 Is Facebook Spying on You? from Reply All in Podcasts. 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__itunes.apple.com_us_podcast_reply-2Dall_id941907967-3Fmt-3D2-26i-3D1000394325441=DwIFaQ=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=C6qXRddzpds-RQfOjPjYu9n8HRGt4exFIuC0dagce4Y=1gKh1Xo_jcTHe5h4k1yZQHoS5pws8YYpEfQCcdxHjxA=
>  
> 
> 
> "It’s the sides of the mountain which sustain life, not the top.”
> 
> On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:56 PM, John Robinson  > wrote:
> 
>> I think the only possibility is an App that may have slipped by Apple.  What 
>> I think is more plausible is the home is leased throughout the year, either 
>> the gal that owns it has a device that she keeps track of the tenants & 
>> doesn’t want to admit or one of the tenants has installed something.  I’ve 
>> sent her all my suggestions including installing a Fingbox so she can track 
>> what’s on her network & be notified when something had been added.  I’m sure 
>> there’s an explanation 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:41 PM, tom holloman > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hopefully you find out it’s not an Apple device listening.
>>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:25 PM, John Robinson >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Sounds reasonable Tom…there has to be an explanation.  This wasn’t in a 
 hotel, it’s the vacation home of one of the girls.  I’m going to write her 
 in the morning attempting to get more info. about the house.  I know that 
 many of the smart TV’s can be controlled by outside forces, turning on the 
 camera and I assume the microphones….some folks put tape over the camera 
 to attempt some privacy…
 
 These ladies are quite sharp, well educated, tech savvy, the lady that 
 owns the home I put into Mac computer’s years ago, her husband is a 
 Windows guy but she wanted to go Mac so I took a day off and went to her 
 home to instruct her on a few items, she caught on quickly and only 
 contacted me a couple times later, now she is well versed and I never hear 
 from her…
 
 I say this only to explain they aren’t the type that can hardly find the 
 on button…while there my daughter rewrote a Real Estate contract, sent to 
 her client for their signature then sent the signed document to the 
 seller’s agent…she also wrote an offer on another piece of property for 
 another client, all on her iPad….
 
 But understanding how their voices could direct advertising is something 
 they want to understand.
 
 John
 
 
 
> On Apr 28, 2018, at 11:32 PM, tom holloman  > wrote:
> 
> Is this 1984?
> 
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 4:50 PM John Robinson  > wrote:
> 
> My daughter and two of her friends went to Hilton Head for a few days.  
> All three use nothing but Apple Products, there is an Apple TV in the 
> home, iPads, and three iPhones that belong to each of the ladies.
> 
> One evening they were discussing a product, TV was not on, Apple TV was 
> not on.  None of them had their iPhones on, none of them were using their 
> phones to do a search for the product.
> 
> The next morning all three of the iPhones popped up advertisements for 
> the product they had ONLY verbally been discussing the evening 
> before….freaked them out.
> 
> So, they tried it again, shutting off everything but leaving the phones 
> in their purses.  They discussed a completely different product…sure 
> enough all three soon received information on this new subject.
> 
> We all know that doing a search for a product will bring scads of 
> advertisements for the product and competing products..
> 
> But, if there were no searches, only verbal discussions how is this 
> information being harvested by some devise in the home.  I don’t know if 
> they have an Echo or an Alexa.  I suppose if they do then even if the 
> devise is spying on them how 

Re: [MacGroup] What is Happening?

[William Micou]

I sent a link separately to a podcast I listen to- ‘Reply All’,  that asked if 
Facebook was using our phone/ computer’s mics to listen. 
Here it is for this thread:
Listen to #109 Is Facebook Spying on You? from Reply All in Podcasts. 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__itunes.apple.com_us_podcast_reply-2Dall_id941907967-3Fmt-3D2-26i-3D1000394325441=DwIFaQ=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=EynNfjC0IgQHlcEwCVglqsKtLLlMB2lDR74nAlu2o3U=GQHd0EIlILBhG-HK7OHGSZtAUggGaAO0lrs1nzymREg=

"It’s the sides of the mountain which sustain life, not the top.”

> On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:56 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> I think the only possibility is an App that may have slipped by Apple.  What 
> I think is more plausible is the home is leased throughout the year, either 
> the gal that owns it has a device that she keeps track of the tenants & 
> doesn’t want to admit or one of the tenants has installed something.  I’ve 
> sent her all my suggestions including installing a Fingbox so she can track 
> what’s on her network & be notified when something had been added.  I’m sure 
> there’s an explanation 
> 
> John
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:41 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
>> 
>> Hopefully you find out it’s not an Apple device listening.
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:25 PM, John Robinson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sounds reasonable Tom…there has to be an explanation.  This wasn’t in a 
>>> hotel, it’s the vacation home of one of the girls.  I’m going to write her 
>>> in the morning attempting to get more info. about the house.  I know that 
>>> many of the smart TV’s can be controlled by outside forces, turning on the 
>>> camera and I assume the microphones….some folks put tape over the camera to 
>>> attempt some privacy…
>>> 
>>> These ladies are quite sharp, well educated, tech savvy, the lady that owns 
>>> the home I put into Mac computer’s years ago, her husband is a Windows guy 
>>> but she wanted to go Mac so I took a day off and went to her home to 
>>> instruct her on a few items, she caught on quickly and only contacted me a 
>>> couple times later, now she is well versed and I never hear from her…
>>> 
>>> I say this only to explain they aren’t the type that can hardly find the on 
>>> button…while there my daughter rewrote a Real Estate contract, sent to her 
>>> client for their signature then sent the signed document to the seller’s 
>>> agent…she also wrote an offer on another piece of property for another 
>>> client, all on her iPad….
>>> 
>>> But understanding how their voices could direct advertising is something 
>>> they want to understand.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2018, at 11:32 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
 
 Is this 1984?
 
 On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 4:50 PM John Robinson  
 wrote:
> 
> My daughter and two of her friends went to Hilton Head for a few days.  
> All three use nothing but Apple Products, there is an Apple TV in the 
> home, iPads, and three iPhones that belong to each of the ladies.
> 
> One evening they were discussing a product, TV was not on, Apple TV was 
> not on.  None of them had their iPhones on, none of them were using their 
> phones to do a search for the product.
> 
> The next morning all three of the iPhones popped up advertisements for 
> the product they had ONLY verbally been discussing the evening 
> before….freaked them out.
> 
> So, they tried it again, shutting off everything but leaving the phones 
> in their purses.  They discussed a completely different product…sure 
> enough all three soon received information on this new subject.
> 
> We all know that doing a search for a product will bring scads of 
> advertisements for the product and competing products..
> 
> But, if there were no searches, only verbal discussions how is this 
> information being harvested by some devise in the home.  I don’t know if 
> they have an Echo or an Alexa.  I suppose if they do then even if the 
> devise is spying on them how does it know each of their email addresses?  
> If they had been emailing the night before do these devices have the 
> ability to skim the packets and obtain their emails?
> 
> If they don’t have an Echo or Alexa  (and I’ll check) does anyone have a 
> clue how this could happen?
> 
> What if they have an Alarm system, could it be listening and selling the 
> info. to Amazon and others?
> 
> I told them I would ask the group to see what you thought.
> 
> Thanks a bunch,
> 
> John
> 
> 
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Re: [MacGroup] What is Happening?

[tom holloman]

Hopefully you find out it’s not an Apple device listening.

> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:25 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Sounds reasonable Tom…there has to be an explanation.  This wasn’t in a 
> hotel, it’s the vacation home of one of the girls.  I’m going to write her in 
> the morning attempting to get more info. about the house.  I know that many 
> of the smart TV’s can be controlled by outside forces, turning on the camera 
> and I assume the microphones….some folks put tape over the camera to attempt 
> some privacy…
> 
> These ladies are quite sharp, well educated, tech savvy, the lady that owns 
> the home I put into Mac computer’s years ago, her husband is a Windows guy 
> but she wanted to go Mac so I took a day off and went to her home to instruct 
> her on a few items, she caught on quickly and only contacted me a couple 
> times later, now she is well versed and I never hear from her…
> 
> I say this only to explain they aren’t the type that can hardly find the on 
> button…while there my daughter rewrote a Real Estate contract, sent to her 
> client for their signature then sent the signed document to the seller’s 
> agent…she also wrote an offer on another piece of property for another 
> client, all on her iPad….
> 
> But understanding how their voices could direct advertising is something they 
> want to understand.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 11:32 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
>> 
>> Is this 1984?
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 4:50 PM John Robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My daughter and two of her friends went to Hilton Head for a few days.  All 
>>> three use nothing but Apple Products, there is an Apple TV in the home, 
>>> iPads, and three iPhones that belong to each of the ladies.
>>> 
>>> One evening they were discussing a product, TV was not on, Apple TV was not 
>>> on.  None of them had their iPhones on, none of them were using their 
>>> phones to do a search for the product.
>>> 
>>> The next morning all three of the iPhones popped up advertisements for the 
>>> product they had ONLY verbally been discussing the evening before….freaked 
>>> them out.
>>> 
>>> So, they tried it again, shutting off everything but leaving the phones in 
>>> their purses.  They discussed a completely different product…sure enough 
>>> all three soon received information on this new subject.
>>> 
>>> We all know that doing a search for a product will bring scads of 
>>> advertisements for the product and competing products..
>>> 
>>> But, if there were no searches, only verbal discussions how is this 
>>> information being harvested by some devise in the home.  I don’t know if 
>>> they have an Echo or an Alexa.  I suppose if they do then even if the 
>>> devise is spying on them how does it know each of their email addresses?  
>>> If they had been emailing the night before do these devices have the 
>>> ability to skim the packets and obtain their emails?
>>> 
>>> If they don’t have an Echo or Alexa  (and I’ll check) does anyone have a 
>>> clue how this could happen?
>>> 
>>> What if they have an Alarm system, could it be listening and selling the 
>>> info. to Amazon and others?
>>> 
>>> I told them I would ask the group to see what you thought.
>>> 
>>> Thanks a bunch,
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MacGroup] What is Happening?

[John Robinson]

Sounds reasonable Tom…there has to be an explanation.  This wasn’t in a hotel, 
it’s the vacation home of one of the girls.  I’m going to write her in the 
morning attempting to get more info. about the house.  I know that many of the 
smart TV’s can be controlled by outside forces, turning on the camera and I 
assume the microphones….some folks put tape over the camera to attempt some 
privacy…

These ladies are quite sharp, well educated, tech savvy, the lady that owns the 
home I put into Mac computer’s years ago, her husband is a Windows guy but she 
wanted to go Mac so I took a day off and went to her home to instruct her on a 
few items, she caught on quickly and only contacted me a couple times later, 
now she is well versed and I never hear from her…

I say this only to explain they aren’t the type that can hardly find the on 
button…while there my daughter rewrote a Real Estate contract, sent to her 
client for their signature then sent the signed document to the seller’s 
agent…she also wrote an offer on another piece of property for another client, 
all on her iPad….

But understanding how their voices could direct advertising is something they 
want to understand.

John



> On Apr 28, 2018, at 11:32 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
> 
> Is this 1984?
> 
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 4:50 PM John Robinson  > wrote:
> 
> My daughter and two of her friends went to Hilton Head for a few days.  All 
> three use nothing but Apple Products, there is an Apple TV in the home, 
> iPads, and three iPhones that belong to each of the ladies.
> 
> One evening they were discussing a product, TV was not on, Apple TV was not 
> on.  None of them had their iPhones on, none of them were using their phones 
> to do a search for the product.
> 
> The next morning all three of the iPhones popped up advertisements for the 
> product they had ONLY verbally been discussing the evening before….freaked 
> them out.
> 
> So, they tried it again, shutting off everything but leaving the phones in 
> their purses.  They discussed a completely different product…sure enough all 
> three soon received information on this new subject.
> 
> We all know that doing a search for a product will bring scads of 
> advertisements for the product and competing products..
> 
> But, if there were no searches, only verbal discussions how is this 
> information being harvested by some devise in the home.  I don’t know if they 
> have an Echo or an Alexa.  I suppose if they do then even if the devise is 
> spying on them how does it know each of their email addresses?  If they had 
> been emailing the night before do these devices have the ability to skim the 
> packets and obtain their emails?
> 
> If they don’t have an Echo or Alexa  (and I’ll check) does anyone have a clue 
> how this could happen?
> 
> What if they have an Alarm system, could it be listening and selling the 
> info. to Amazon and others?
> 
> I told them I would ask the group to see what you thought.
> 
> Thanks a bunch,
> 
> John
> 
> 
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Re: [MacGroup] What is Happening?

[tom holloman]

Is this 1984?

On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 4:50 PM John Robinson 
wrote:

>
> My daughter and two of her friends went to Hilton Head for a few days.
> All three use nothing but Apple Products, there is an Apple TV in the home,
> iPads, and three iPhones that belong to each of the ladies.
>
> One evening they were discussing a product, TV was not on, Apple TV was
> not on.  None of them had their iPhones on, none of them were using their
> phones to do a search for the product.
>
> The next morning all three of the iPhones popped up advertisements for the
> product they had ONLY verbally been discussing the evening before….freaked
> them out.
>
> So, they tried it again, shutting off everything but leaving the phones in
> their purses.  They discussed a completely different product…sure enough
> all three soon received information on this new subject.
>
> We all know that doing a search for a product will bring scads of
> advertisements for the product and competing products..
>
> But, if there were no searches, only verbal discussions how is this
> information being harvested by some devise in the home.  I don’t know if
> they have an Echo or an Alexa.  I suppose if they do then even if the
> devise is spying on them how does it know each of their email addresses?
> If they had been emailing the night before do these devices have the
> ability to skim the packets and obtain their emails?
>
> If they don’t have an Echo or Alexa  (and I’ll check) does anyone have a
> clue how this could happen?
>
> What if they have an Alarm system, could it be listening and selling the
> info. to Amazon and others?
>
> I told them I would ask the group to see what you thought.
>
> Thanks a bunch,
>
> John
>
>
>
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[MacGroup] What is Happening?

[John Robinson]

My daughter and two of her friends went to Hilton Head for a few days.  All 
three use nothing but Apple Products, there is an Apple TV in the home, iPads, 
and three iPhones that belong to each of the ladies.

One evening they were discussing a product, TV was not on, Apple TV was not on. 
 None of them had their iPhones on, none of them were using their phones to do 
a search for the product.

The next morning all three of the iPhones popped up advertisements for the 
product they had ONLY verbally been discussing the evening before….freaked them 
out.

So, they tried it again, shutting off everything but leaving the phones in 
their purses.  They discussed a completely different product…sure enough all 
three soon received information on this new subject.

We all know that doing a search for a product will bring scads of 
advertisements for the product and competing products..

But, if there were no searches, only verbal discussions how is this information 
being harvested by some devise in the home.  I don’t know if they have an Echo 
or an Alexa.  I suppose if they do then even if the devise is spying on them 
how does it know each of their email addresses?  If they had been emailing the 
night before do these devices have the ability to skim the packets and obtain 
their emails?

If they don’t have an Echo or Alexa  (and I’ll check) does anyone have a clue 
how this could happen?

What if they have an Alarm system, could it be listening and selling the info. 
to Amazon and others?

I told them I would ask the group to see what you thought.

Thanks a bunch,

John



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[Harry Jacobson-Beyer]

John & Jonathan,

I’ve been out all day. When I came home I looked at the links you sent before I 
started to do anything, I quit calendar and then opened it. No problem. Next, I 
logged out of my computer (but didn’t do a restart) and when I logged back in - 
no problem. Finally I restarted the computer and after the restart and log in I 
opened calendar-no problem.

I am saving the links you sent me but I am not “fixing” the issue because, at 
this point, there doesn’t seem to be an issue.

UNLESS, there is a reason to do the “fix” even though the calendar app isn’t 
acting up now.

Thanks to you both.

Harry


> On Oct 30, 2017, at 9:53 PM, Jonathan Fletcher  wrote:
> 
> Harry, that means that iCal is initially having trouble accessing your 
> account. If you would like to get rid of it, the first thing I would try is 
> resetting iCal. Rather that recount that for you here, here’s an article the 
> explains it pretty well:
> 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.tenorshare.com_icloud-2Dtips_how-2Dto-2Dfix-2Dthe-2Dicloud-2Dcalendar-2Dsync-2Derror-2D400.html=DwIFaQ=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=k4ND6oj6iH-FjsdxiYDksI7vq0eSAWw1dZb0JrJpZUc=qnSWkLfSEds6WDi_YULoR9mxtz7mpQX_fG9kCeTgIbg=
> 
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 9:30 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:
>> 
>> I keep getting this error message with iCAL. I click ok and I can access my 
>> calendar. Any idea what is going on?
> 
> --
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> jonat...@fletcherdata.com
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[Jonathan Fletcher]

Harry, that means that iCal is initially having trouble accessing your account. 
If you would like to get rid of it, the first thing I would try is resetting 
iCal. Rather that recount that for you here, here’s an article the explains it 
pretty well:

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.tenorshare.com_icloud-2Dtips_how-2Dto-2Dfix-2Dthe-2Dicloud-2Dcalendar-2Dsync-2Derror-2D400.html=DwIFaQ=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=k4ND6oj6iH-FjsdxiYDksI7vq0eSAWw1dZb0JrJpZUc=qnSWkLfSEds6WDi_YULoR9mxtz7mpQX_fG9kCeTgIbg=


Jonathan


> On Oct 30, 2017, at 9:30 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:
> 
> I keep getting this error message with iCAL. I click ok and I can access my 
> calendar. Any idea what is going on?

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[John Robinson]

Harry, 

Take a look at this.  

John

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> On Oct 30, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:
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> I keep getting this error message with iCAL. I click ok and I can access my 
> calendar. Any idea what is going on?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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[Harry Jacobson-Beyer]

I keep getting this error message with iCAL. I click ok and I can access my 
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[MacGroup] What Apple's (AAPL) silicon business has to do with its machine learning desires — Quartz

[John Robinson]

Thought some of you might be interested in this, reads very well for Apple’s 
future if it’s even partially correct……

Rule on…….

John



> 
> https://qz.com/1003672/what-apples-silicon-business-might-have-to-do-with-its-machine-learning-desires/?utm_source=YPL=yahoo
>  
> 
> 
> Apple just created the largest installed base of AR-capable devices
> Written by Jean-Louis Gassée  Editor, Monday Note
> At last week’s Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC), Apple made an 
> unusually large number of hardware and software announcements. Today we’ll 
> look at a potential connection between Apple’s silicon design strengths and 
> its just-unveiled augmented reality and machine learning applications 
> development tools.
> 
> When Apple introduced its 64-bit A7 processor 
>  in Sept. 2013, they caught the 
> industry by surprise. According to an ex-Intel gent who’s now at a 
> long-established Sand Hill Road venture firm, the competitive analysis group 
> at the imperial x86 maker  had no idea 
> Apple was cooking a 64-bit chip.
> 
> As I recounted in a Sept. 2013 Monday Note titled “64 bits. It’s Nothing. You 
> Don’t Need It. And We’ll Have It In 6 Months 
> ,”
>  competitors and Intel stenographers initially dismissed the new chip. They 
> were in for a shock: Not only did the company jump to the head of the race 
> for powerful mobile chips, but Apple also used its combined control of 
> hardware and software to build what Warren Buffett refers to as a wide “wide 
> moat 
> ”:
> 
> In days of old, a castle was protected by the moat that circled it. The wider 
> the moat, the more easily a castle could be defended, as a wide moat made it 
> very difficult for enemies to approach.
> 
> The industry came to accept the idea Apple has one of the best, if not the 
> best, silicon design team; the company just hired Esin Terzioglu 
> , who oversaw 
> the engineering organization of Qualcomm’s core communications chips 
> business. By moving its smartphones and tablets—hardware and software 
> together—into the 64-bit world, Apple built a moat that’s as dominant as 
> Google’s superior Search, as unassailable as the aging Wintel 
>  dominion once was.
> 
> I think we might see another moat being built, this time in the fields of 
> augmented reality  (AR), 
> machine vision  (MV), and, more 
> generally, machine learning  
> (ML).
> 
> At last week’s WWDC , Apple introduced 
> ARKit (video here ), a 
> programming framework that lets developers build augmented reality into their 
> applications. The demos (a minute into the video) are enticing: A child’s 
> bedroom is turned into a “virtual storybook”; an Ikea app lets users place 
> virtual furniture in their physical living room.
> 
> As many observers have pointed out, Apple just created the largest installed 
> base of AR-capable devices. There may be more Android devices than iPhones 
> and iPads, but the Android software isn’t coupled to hardware. The wall 
> protecting the massive Android castle is fractured. Naturally, Apple was only 
> too happy to compare the 7% of Android smartphones running the latest OS 
> release to the 86% of iPhones running iOS 10.
> 
> Apple also introduced CoreML 
> , an application framework 
> that integrates “trained models 
> ”
>  into third-party apps. Unlike with ARKit, there were no fun CoreML demos; 
> CoreML implementations will be both “everywhere” and less explicit than AR. 
> Architecturally, CoreML is a foundation for sophisticated machine vision and 
> natural language processing apps:
> 
> 
> Courtesy: Apple Developer Documentation. (Provided by author)
> As far as we know, all of this runs on the Ax processors in recent iPhones 
> and iPads. But a recent, unsubstantiated Bloomberg rumor has aroused 
> interest: “Apple Is Working on a Dedicated Chip to Power AI on Devices 
> .”
> 
> Auxiliary chips that run to the side of the main processor, dedicated to a 
> specific set of operations, have (almost) always existed. The practice 
> started with FPUs 

Re: [MacGroup] What devise is on my network

[John Robinson]

Jonathan

THANKS!, this is a great App…but, once you sign up then you’ll see the new 
product they are bringing to market…will ship in July….Follow this link, watch 
both video’s….I’ve ordered one at the $69.00 price…this is going to be a huge 
success….I so appreciate you directing me to this firm.

John


https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fingbox-network-security-wi-fi-troubleshooting?secret_perk_token=4ac1130b#/
 





> On May 30, 2017, at 11:49 PM, Jonathan Fletcher  
> wrote:
> 
> John, 
> 
> I like an iOS (iPad AND iPhone) app called “Fing" that gives you a variety of 
> information about each device based on its MAC address and other info that 
> the machine is broadcasting. MAC addresses are doled out to mfrs in blocks, 
> so it is easy to tell who made a device by its hardware address, if you have 
> the database. Evidently Fring comes with that. 
> 
> Most wifi routers/hotspots will allow you to block hardware addresses, so you 
> can kick off that errant Android device that your neighbor uses on your 
> network all the time. Yes, I have done this. 
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 30, 2017, at 8:20 PM, John Robinson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks to you I downloaded the App, and show the following:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Almost every one of these are UNKNOWN, the icon indicates a devise…so is 
>> there now an app that allows me to use the MAC number to determine what 
>> these are?  I’m still in the dark.
> 
> 
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[John Robinson]

Thanks Jonathan, I'll get the app tomorrow.  I really don't see how a neighbor 
could ever come up with my router password, it's so long it would take forever 
to figure it outunless there are other ways for them to jump on. 

John

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> On May 30, 2017, at 11:49 PM, Jonathan Fletcher  
> wrote:
> 
> John, 
> 
> I like an iOS (iPad AND iPhone) app called “Fing" that gives you a variety of 
> information about each device based on its MAC address and other info that 
> the machine is broadcasting. MAC addresses are doled out to mfrs in blocks, 
> so it is easy to tell who made a device by its hardware address, if you have 
> the database. Evidently Fring comes with that. 
> 
> Most wifi routers/hotspots will allow you to block hardware addresses, so you 
> can kick off that errant Android device that your neighbor uses on your 
> network all the time. Yes, I have done this. 
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 30, 2017, at 8:20 PM, John Robinson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks to you I downloaded the App, and show the following:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Almost every one of these are UNKNOWN, the icon indicates a devise…so is 
>> there now an app that allows me to use the MAC number to determine what 
>> these are?  I’m still in the dark.
> 
> 
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Re: [MacGroup] What devise is on my network

[Jonathan Fletcher]

John, 

I like an iOS (iPad AND iPhone) app called “Fing" that gives you a variety of 
information about each device based on its MAC address and other info that the 
machine is broadcasting. MAC addresses are doled out to mfrs in blocks, so it 
is easy to tell who made a device by its hardware address, if you have the 
database. Evidently Fring comes with that. 

Most wifi routers/hotspots will allow you to block hardware addresses, so you 
can kick off that errant Android device that your neighbor uses on your network 
all the time. Yes, I have done this. 

Jonathan



> On May 30, 2017, at 8:20 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to you I downloaded the App, and show the following:
> 
> 
> 
> Almost every one of these are UNKNOWN, the icon indicates a devise…so is 
> there now an app that allows me to use the MAC number to determine what these 
> are?  I’m still in the dark.


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Re: [MacGroup] What devise is on my network

[Chris Denny]

You are going to have to look at all your devices one at a time. Not every 
device will broadcast a manufacturer name. Or take all devices down and then 
bring them back up one at a time to determine which is which.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2017, at 8:20 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Lee,
> 
> 
> Thanks to you I downloaded the App, and show the following:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Almost every one of these are UNKNOWN, the icon indicates a devise…so is 
> there now an app that allows me to use the MAC number to determine what these 
> are?  I’m still in the dark.
> 
> Thanks for your help…..again!
> 
> John
> 
> 
>>> On May 27, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 27, 2017, at 2:09 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Opening Airport Utility I find a devise that has no name, rather an long 
>>> string of letters and numbers.
>>> 
>>> All other items have names, the iPhones, iPads, HP printer, Apple TV’s, 
>>> etc. etc…
>>> 
>>> How do I discover what this unnamed item is, what it belongs to…maybe it’s 
>>> the Alarm system, maybe it’s the Trane furnace that was just installed and 
>>> the thermostat had to be joined to the network for the firm to monitor and 
>>> for the app on the iPhone to control the system from anywhere…but I would 
>>> like to know.
>>> 
>>> Is there a utility that will help me discover what devise belongs to this 
>>> unnamed number?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How about Who’s On My WiFi?
>> 
>> 
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>> ‌leelar...@me.com‌
>> 
>> ‌They say such nice things about people at their funerals that it makes me 
>> sad that I'm going to miss mine by just a few days. ‌— Garrison Keillor, 
>> ‌‌
>> 
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[John Robinson]

Lee,


Thanks to you I downloaded the App, and show the following:




Almost every one of these are UNKNOWN, the icon indicates a devise…so is there 
now an app that allows me to use the MAC number to determine what these are?  
I’m still in the dark.

Thanks for your help…..again!

John


> On May 27, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On May 27, 2017, at 2:09 PM, John Robinson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Opening Airport Utility I find a devise that has no name, rather an long 
>> string of letters and numbers.
>> 
>> All other items have names, the iPhones, iPads, HP printer, Apple TV’s, etc. 
>> etc…
>> 
>> How do I discover what this unnamed item is, what it belongs to…maybe it’s 
>> the Alarm system, maybe it’s the Trane furnace that was just installed and 
>> the thermostat had to be joined to the network for the firm to monitor and 
>> for the app on the iPhone to control the system from anywhere…but I would 
>> like to know.
>> 
>> Is there a utility that will help me discover what devise belongs to this 
>> unnamed number?
> 
> 
> 
> How about Who’s On My WiFi?
>  
>   >
> 
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[John Robinson]

Thank you Lee, I appreciate your help. 

John

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On May 27, 2017, at 2:09 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> Opening Airport Utility I find a devise that has no name, rather an long 
>> string of letters and numbers.
>> 
>> All other items have names, the iPhones, iPads, HP printer, Apple TV’s, etc. 
>> etc…
>> 
>> How do I discover what this unnamed item is, what it belongs to…maybe it’s 
>> the Alarm system, maybe it’s the Trane furnace that was just installed and 
>> the thermostat had to be joined to the network for the firm to monitor and 
>> for the app on the iPhone to control the system from anywhere…but I would 
>> like to know.
>> 
>> Is there a utility that will help me discover what devise belongs to this 
>> unnamed number?
> 
> 
> 
> How about Who’s On My WiFi?
> 
> 
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[MacGroup] What devise is on my network

[John Robinson]

Opening Airport Utility I find a devise that has no name, rather an long string 
of letters and numbers.

All other items have names, the iPhones, iPads, HP printer, Apple TV’s, etc. 
etc…

How do I discover what this unnamed item is, what it belongs to…maybe it’s the 
Alarm system, maybe it’s the Trane furnace that was just installed and the 
thermostat had to be joined to the network for the firm to monitor and for the 
app on the iPhone to control the system from anywhere…but I would like to know.

Is there a utility that will help me discover what devise belongs to this 
unnamed number?

Thanks for your help,

John
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[MacGroup] What Makes Apple Tick.....

[John Robinson]

Folks, I’m in marketing, I love to extoll the benefits of a product I believe 
in….I have never sold on price, always why you would want the product I offer.  
If I can’t give you such then I’ve failed in my work…thus I send to this group 
a bunch of info…if it’s beyond why this group was formed let me know and I’ll 
certainly close shop and not be such a nuisance….

John


This afternoon a trip to the Apple store for a free battery replacement in my 
wife’s iPhone.  The store was like Walmart at Christmas, as always.  

Why?  

Retail is having the struggle of it’s life, why does Apple retail flourish?  
Why does the Apple store actually draw traffic to a mall that otherwise would 
be on life-support?  

Then today this article and video.  If you have any interest in Apple’s retail 
mission then listen to the 17 minute video conducted by LinkedIn with Angela 
Ahrendts, Marketing Chief for Apple..anyone in business might want to sit up 
tall and take notes.



Retail chief Angela Ahrendts talks ‘Today at Apple’ and more in video interview


Apple Retail chief Angela Ahrendts has appeared in a video interview promoting 
the new Today at Apple 
 
initiative launching 
 at Apple 
Stores this week 
.
 In the discussion with LinkedIn’s Daniel Roth, Ahrendts talks about her 
approach to leading Apple Retail to success when some retailers are struggling. 
Included in the video are some interesting numbers like Apple’s employee 
retention rate and even how many beacons were just installed overnight as part 
of the Today at Apple effort.

The clip highlights Apple Retail’s 18% growth in the last quarter and compares 
Apple Store’s 85% retention rate among 67,000 employees compared to 20% average 
across the rest of the industry. Ahrendts added that in the United States,  
that rate is actually higher at 88% among full-time employees who make up 
two-thirds of the retail division.

https://9to5mac.com/2017/05/17/angela-ahrendts-today-at-apple-video/ 




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Re: [MacGroup] What would happen to our records with an EMP disaster from a high-altitude blast?

[Lee Larson]

On Apr 26, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Jane Plunkett > wrote:

> Interesting article. Surely there are other options to save our data.
> 
> http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-04-26-if-youre-not-using-optical-storage-all-your-data-may-be-wiped-out-in-a-nuclear-war-solar-flare-or-emp-attack.html#
>  
> 
This stuff about EMP strikes has been going around for decades. It was one of 
the two results of the neutron bomb, the other being a radiation pulse.

Much of the damage from the electromagnetic pulse can be prevented by storing 
magnetic media in a metal box; a.k.a. a Faraday cage 
  Of course, you might have trouble 
finding something to read it with after a nuclear strike…

… and reading your databases will likely be the least of your worries after 
Armageddon…

L^2

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‌No party has a monopoly on wisdom. No democracy works without compromise. But 
when Governor Romney and his allies in Congress tell us we can somehow lower 
our deficit by spending trillions more on new tax breaks for the wealthy - 
well, you do the math. I refuse to go along with that. And as long as I'm 
President, I never will. ‌— Barack Obama,
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[Bill Rising]

I think that in event of a nuclear war, the last thing I would care about is 
keeping my computer data safe. Ok, maybe the second to last thing just ahead of 
making sure that the rose bushes don't get crisped.

> On Apr 26, 2017, at 14:58, Pen Helm  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I consider the threat to be real.  I back up to Amazon Singapore, which 
> presumably the North Koreans will not attack.  And I put a backup hard drive 
> in a special bag which works like a Faraday cage (available at 
> http://techprotectbag.com ) which hopefully will protect it.
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Jane Plunkett  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting article. Surely there are other options to save our data.
>> 
>> http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-04-26-if-youre-not-using-optical-storage-all-your-data-may-be-wiped-out-in-a-nuclear-war-solar-flare-or-emp-attack.html#
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[Pen Helm]

Yes, I consider the threat to be real.  I back up to Amazon Singapore, which 
presumably the North Koreans will not attack.  And I put a backup hard drive in 
a special bag which works like a Faraday cage (available at 
http://techprotectbag.com ) which hopefully will protect it.

> On Apr 26, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Jane Plunkett  wrote:
> 
> Interesting article. Surely there are other options to save our data.
> 
> http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-04-26-if-youre-not-using-optical-storage-all-your-data-may-be-wiped-out-in-a-nuclear-war-solar-flare-or-emp-attack.html#


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[Jane Plunkett]

Interesting article. Surely there are other options to save our data.

http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-04-26-if-youre-not-using-optical-storage-all-your-data-may-be-wiped-out-in-a-nuclear-war-solar-flare-or-emp-attack.html#


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Re: [MacGroup] What Tax Software is best

[John Robinson]

Sure is and if you looks at all the sections of the site Watson most likely can 
set the table.


> On Feb 13, 2017, at 8:20 PM, preston@twc.com wrote:
> 
> Goodness…  …that’s one _long_ link!
> 
> 
>> On Feb 13, 2017, at 11:25 AM, John Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> Russ mentioned that H Block is now utilizing Watson with it’s tax 
>> software.  For those interested here is Watson’s site, this is one cool 
>> machine…may become the HAL of our future.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.ibm.com/cognitive/?cm_mmc=Display_Cnbc-_-9.1+MO+Mktg+Plan+Unknown_2017+CA+Cognitive-_-US_US-_-20088788_CA-Cognitive-Dress-300x250-HTML5-NEW-Q1-17_mmca1=16NS_mmca2=10004047=display.CNBC.com.In%20App%20ROS_SD%20ROS_Tablet_300x250_campaign=9.1%20MO%20Mktg%20Plan%20Unknown_2017%20CA%20Cognitive-US_US_pid=20088788#cognitivedress
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:44 PM, preston@twc.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Although, I have seen that H Block is now utilizing IBM’s “Watson”.  If 
>>> it’s also a part of the do-it-yourself app, it might be worth another look. 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -russ  
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Anne Cartwright  wrote:
 
 I used H Block’s for a few years. Then when I had a complicated year 
 went to local H Block and had them do my taxes. Spoiled me. Gone back 
 the last two years.
 
 Anne
 
 
 
> On Feb 12, 2017, at 8:30 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’ve never used tax software, with the business it’s just too 
> complicated…but my divorced daughter has a very simple  return and the 
> CPA I use charges as if she were a small business so this year I thought 
> I might try filing her return using either TurboTax or H Block’s 
> software.
> 
> What advise do you have?  My grandson, his dad and aunt all use H Block 
> and think it’s great.   I’ve looked up the comparison between the two and 
> they look very similar.
> 
> One of the biggest benefits of the web is getting the lowdown from those 
> in the know so any suggestions are appreciated.
> 
> Thanks a bunch.
> 
> John
> 
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[preston....@twc.com]

Goodness…  …that’s one _long_ link!


> On Feb 13, 2017, at 11:25 AM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Russ mentioned that H Block is now utilizing Watson with it’s tax software. 
>  For those interested here is Watson’s site, this is one cool machine…may 
> become the HAL of our future.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> https://www.ibm.com/cognitive/?cm_mmc=Display_Cnbc-_-9.1+MO+Mktg+Plan+Unknown_2017+CA+Cognitive-_-US_US-_-20088788_CA-Cognitive-Dress-300x250-HTML5-NEW-Q1-17_mmca1=16NS_mmca2=10004047=display.CNBC.com.In%20App%20ROS_SD%20ROS_Tablet_300x250_campaign=9.1%20MO%20Mktg%20Plan%20Unknown_2017%20CA%20Cognitive-US_US_pid=20088788#cognitivedress
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:44 PM, preston@twc.com wrote:
>> 
>> Although, I have seen that H Block is now utilizing IBM’s “Watson”.  If 
>> it’s also a part of the do-it-yourself app, it might be worth another look.  
>> 
>> -russ  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Anne Cartwright  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I used H Block’s for a few years. Then when I had a complicated year went 
>>> to local H Block and had them do my taxes. Spoiled me. Gone back the last 
>>> two years.
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 12, 2017, at 8:30 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
 
 
 I’ve never used tax software, with the business it’s just too 
 complicated…but my divorced daughter has a very simple  return and the CPA 
 I use charges as if she were a small business so this year I thought I 
 might try filing her return using either TurboTax or H Block’s software.
 
 What advise do you have?  My grandson, his dad and aunt all use H Block 
 and think it’s great.   I’ve looked up the comparison between the two and 
 they look very similar.
 
 One of the biggest benefits of the web is getting the lowdown from those 
 in the know so any suggestions are appreciated.
 
 Thanks a bunch.
 
 John
 
 
 
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[John Robinson]

Russ mentioned that H Block is now utilizing Watson with it’s tax software.  
For those interested here is Watson’s site, this is one cool machine…may become 
the HAL of our future.

John


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> On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:44 PM, preston@twc.com wrote:
> 
> Although, I have seen that H Block is now utilizing IBM’s “Watson”.  If 
> it’s also a part of the do-it-yourself app, it might be worth another look.  
> 
> -russ  
> 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Anne Cartwright  wrote:
>> 
>> I used H Block’s for a few years. Then when I had a complicated year went 
>> to local H Block and had them do my taxes. Spoiled me. Gone back the last 
>> two years.
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 8:30 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’ve never used tax software, with the business it’s just too 
>>> complicated…but my divorced daughter has a very simple  return and the CPA 
>>> I use charges as if she were a small business so this year I thought I 
>>> might try filing her return using either TurboTax or H Block’s software.
>>> 
>>> What advise do you have?  My grandson, his dad and aunt all use H Block 
>>> and think it’s great.   I’ve looked up the comparison between the two and 
>>> they look very similar.
>>> 
>>> One of the biggest benefits of the web is getting the lowdown from those in 
>>> the know so any suggestions are appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks a bunch.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
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[R. D. Preston]

Followup:  
Then again, it may only be an advantage for in-office processing.  
-russ


> On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:48 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Russ, are you kidding!   How in the world would Watson help with my taxes, 
> that's cool if nothing more than bragging rights.  
> 
> John. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:44 PM, "preston@twc.com"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Although, I have seen that H Block is now utilizing IBM’s “Watson”.  If 
>> it’s also a part of the do-it-yourself app, it might be worth another look.  
>> 
>> -russ  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Anne Cartwright  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I used H Block’s for a few years. Then when I had a complicated year went 
>>> to local H Block and had them do my taxes. Spoiled me. Gone back the last 
>>> two years.
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 12, 2017, at 8:30 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
 
 
 I’ve never used tax software, with the business it’s just too 
 complicated…but my divorced daughter has a very simple  return and the CPA 
 I use charges as if she were a small business so this year I thought I 
 might try filing her return using either TurboTax or H Block’s software.
 
 What advise do you have?  My grandson, his dad and aunt all use H Block 
 and think it’s great.   I’ve looked up the comparison between the two and 
 they look very similar.
 
 One of the biggest benefits of the web is getting the lowdown from those 
 in the know so any suggestions are appreciated.
 
 Thanks a bunch.
 
 John
 
 
 
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[preston....@twc.com]

Well, it's only that when playing Chess, Watson follows the rules & regs 
entered for it to follow.  Seems most likely that is should be an equivalent 
situation with the tax app.  

-russ


> On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:48 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Russ, are you kidding!   How in the world would Watson help with my taxes, 
> that's cool if nothing more than bragging rights.  
> 
> John. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:44 PM, "preston@twc.com"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Although, I have seen that H Block is now utilizing IBM’s “Watson”.  If 
>> it’s also a part of the do-it-yourself app, it might be worth another look.  
>> 
>> -russ  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Anne Cartwright  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I used H Block’s for a few years. Then when I had a complicated year went 
>>> to local H Block and had them do my taxes. Spoiled me. Gone back the last 
>>> two years.
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 12, 2017, at 8:30 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
 
 
 I’ve never used tax software, with the business it’s just too 
 complicated…but my divorced daughter has a very simple  return and the CPA 
 I use charges as if she were a small business so this year I thought I 
 might try filing her return using either TurboTax or H Block’s software.
 
 What advise do you have?  My grandson, his dad and aunt all use H Block 
 and think it’s great.   I’ve looked up the comparison between the two and 
 they look very similar.
 
 One of the biggest benefits of the web is getting the lowdown from those 
 in the know so any suggestions are appreciated.
 
 Thanks a bunch.
 
 John
 
 
 
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[John Robinson]

Russ, are you kidding!   How in the world would Watson help with my taxes, 
that's cool if nothing more than bragging rights.  

John. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:44 PM, "preston@twc.com"  
> wrote:
> 
> Although, I have seen that H Block is now utilizing IBM’s “Watson”.  If 
> it’s also a part of the do-it-yourself app, it might be worth another look.  
> 
> -russ  
> 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Anne Cartwright  wrote:
>> 
>> I used H Block’s for a few years. Then when I had a complicated year went 
>> to local H Block and had them do my taxes. Spoiled me. Gone back the last 
>> two years.
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 8:30 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’ve never used tax software, with the business it’s just too 
>>> complicated…but my divorced daughter has a very simple  return and the CPA 
>>> I use charges as if she were a small business so this year I thought I 
>>> might try filing her return using either TurboTax or H Block’s software.
>>> 
>>> What advise do you have?  My grandson, his dad and aunt all use H Block 
>>> and think it’s great.   I’ve looked up the comparison between the two and 
>>> they look very similar.
>>> 
>>> One of the biggest benefits of the web is getting the lowdown from those in 
>>> the know so any suggestions are appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks a bunch.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
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[preston....@twc.com]

Although, I have seen that H Block is now utilizing IBM’s “Watson”.  If it’s 
also a part of the do-it-yourself app, it might be worth another look.  

-russ  


> On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Anne Cartwright  wrote:
> 
> I used H Block’s for a few years. Then when I had a complicated year went 
> to local H Block and had them do my taxes. Spoiled me. Gone back the last 
> two years.
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 8:30 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I’ve never used tax software, with the business it’s just too 
>> complicated…but my divorced daughter has a very simple  return and the CPA I 
>> use charges as if she were a small business so this year I thought I might 
>> try filing her return using either TurboTax or H Block’s software.
>> 
>> What advise do you have?  My grandson, his dad and aunt all use H Block 
>> and think it’s great.   I’ve looked up the comparison between the two and 
>> they look very similar.
>> 
>> One of the biggest benefits of the web is getting the lowdown from those in 
>> the know so any suggestions are appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks a bunch.
>> 
>> John
>> 
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[tom]

John I been using TurboTax for about 6 years. I do mine and my three daughters. 
Have had no problems.

> On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:11 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Anne, I will be so glad to retire and not have to have the 
> expensive services of a CPA, at this point I would not dare try to do mine 
> without their services….but my daughter is a different story.
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Anne Cartwright  wrote:
>> 
>> I used H Block’s for a few years. Then when I had a complicated year went 
>> to local H Block and had them do my taxes. Spoiled me. Gone back the last 
>> two years.
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 8:30 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’ve never used tax software, with the business it’s just too 
>>> complicated…but my divorced daughter has a very simple  return and the CPA 
>>> I use charges as if she were a small business so this year I thought I 
>>> might try filing her return using either TurboTax or H Block’s software.
>>> 
>>> What advise do you have?  My grandson, his dad and aunt all use H Block 
>>> and think it’s great.   I’ve looked up the comparison between the two and 
>>> they look very similar.
>>> 
>>> One of the biggest benefits of the web is getting the lowdown from those in 
>>> the know so any suggestions are appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks a bunch.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
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[John Robinson]

Thank you Anne, I will be so glad to retire and not have to have the expensive 
services of a CPA, at this point I would not dare try to do mine without their 
services….but my daughter is a different story.


John


> On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Anne Cartwright  wrote:
> 
> I used H Block’s for a few years. Then when I had a complicated year went 
> to local H Block and had them do my taxes. Spoiled me. Gone back the last 
> two years.
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 8:30 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I’ve never used tax software, with the business it’s just too 
>> complicated…but my divorced daughter has a very simple  return and the CPA I 
>> use charges as if she were a small business so this year I thought I might 
>> try filing her return using either TurboTax or H Block’s software.
>> 
>> What advise do you have?  My grandson, his dad and aunt all use H Block 
>> and think it’s great.   I’ve looked up the comparison between the two and 
>> they look very similar.
>> 
>> One of the biggest benefits of the web is getting the lowdown from those in 
>> the know so any suggestions are appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks a bunch.
>> 
>> John
>> 
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[Anne Cartwright]

I used H Block’s for a few years. Then when I had a complicated year went to 
local H Block and had them do my taxes. Spoiled me. Gone back the last two 
years.

Anne



> On Feb 12, 2017, at 8:30 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’ve never used tax software, with the business it’s just too complicated…but 
> my divorced daughter has a very simple  return and the CPA I use charges as 
> if she were a small business so this year I thought I might try filing her 
> return using either TurboTax or H Block’s software.
> 
> What advise do you have?  My grandson, his dad and aunt all use H Block and 
> think it’s great.   I’ve looked up the comparison between the two and they 
> look very similar.
> 
> One of the biggest benefits of the web is getting the lowdown from those in 
> the know so any suggestions are appreciated.
> 
> Thanks a bunch.
> 
> John
> 
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[John Robinson]

Thanks Tom, I’m leaning that direction but wanted feedback from you folks.


John


> On Feb 12, 2017, at 8:45 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
> 
> I've used turbo tax for years and find it very good. The home and business 
> one does all I need. 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 3:30 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I’ve never used tax software, with the business it’s just too 
>> complicated…but my divorced daughter has a very simple  return and the CPA I 
>> use charges as if she were a small business so this year I thought I might 
>> try filing her return using either TurboTax or H Block’s software.
>> 
>> What advise do you have?  My grandson, his dad and aunt all use H Block 
>> and think it’s great.   I’ve looked up the comparison between the two and 
>> they look very similar.
>> 
>> One of the biggest benefits of the web is getting the lowdown from those in 
>> the know so any suggestions are appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks a bunch.
>> 
>> John
>> 
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[tom holloman]

I've used turbo tax for years and find it very good. The home and business one 
does all I need. 

> On Feb 12, 2017, at 3:30 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’ve never used tax software, with the business it’s just too complicated…but 
> my divorced daughter has a very simple  return and the CPA I use charges as 
> if she were a small business so this year I thought I might try filing her 
> return using either TurboTax or H Block’s software.
> 
> What advise do you have?  My grandson, his dad and aunt all use H Block and 
> think it’s great.   I’ve looked up the comparison between the two and they 
> look very similar.
> 
> One of the biggest benefits of the web is getting the lowdown from those in 
> the know so any suggestions are appreciated.
> 
> Thanks a bunch.
> 
> John
> 
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[John Robinson]

I’ve never used tax software, with the business it’s just too complicated…but 
my divorced daughter has a very simple  return and the CPA I use charges as if 
she were a small business so this year I thought I might try filing her return 
using either TurboTax or H Block’s software.

What advise do you have?  My grandson, his dad and aunt all use H Block and 
think it’s great.   I’ve looked up the comparison between the two and they look 
very similar.

One of the biggest benefits of the web is getting the lowdown from those in the 
know so any suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks a bunch.

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[John Robinson]

Thanks so much Lee, I had looked at Calibre, but unless I can get a backup from 
someone such as yourself I am uneasy trusting a firm I know nothing about.

I’ll give it a try, I have maybe 20 books I need to convert, I haven’t bought 
an Amazon book since iBooks became available due to the way I use the saving of 
important info. with iBooks.

John



> On Feb 10, 2017, at 11:24 AM, Lee Larson  wrote:
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> On Feb 9, 2017, at 11:23 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
>> I mentioned that I found a program to convert PDF to various formats, ePub 
>> being what I need.
>> 
>> Prior to getting iBooks I had purchased several book from Amazon for their 
>> Kindle software for the Mac.  Not a bad piece of software, and I picked up a 
>> Kindle in a store one day and the hardware works exactly as the software…at 
>> least at that time. The books can be highlighted BUT the important 
>> information cannot be saved by either saving just the highlights, or 
>> emailing them as does iBooks.
>> 
>> Now I want to convert the Kindle to ePub, the software I just purchased does 
>> not work with the Kindle format.
>> 
>> Anyone know of a reputable software that will do this?
> 
> I use Calibre to store my ebooks. It can convert between MOBI (Amazon) and 
> EPUB (almost everyone else) formats. The gotcha in converting to EPUB from 
> MOBI is many of the Amazon ebooks have DRM. There is a plugin for Calibre 
> called deDRM that works pretty well to remove it.
> 
> For many of my uses, neither format is very useful.
> 
> The MOBI format doesn’t natively handle mathematical formulae at all, so few 
> of the math/physics/engineering tomes are in that format.
> 
> The EPUB format is really just HTML5, so it can theoretically do technical 
> stuff with MathML, but none of the ebook readers can handle any but the 
> simplest MathML constructs.
> 
> So, most of the technical stuff is still using PDF.
> 
> Calibre can handle all three formats in a personal library.
> 
> L^2
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> I mentioned that I found a program to convert PDF to various formats, ePub 
> being what I need.
> 
> Prior to getting iBooks I had purchased several book from Amazon for their 
> Kindle software for the Mac.  Not a bad piece of software, and I picked up a 
> Kindle in a store one day and the hardware works exactly as the software…at 
> least at that time. The books can be highlighted BUT the important 
> information cannot be saved by either saving just the highlights, or emailing 
> them as does iBooks.
> 
> Now I want to convert the Kindle to ePub, the software I just purchased does 
> not work with the Kindle format.
> 
> Anyone know of a reputable software that will do this?

I use Calibre to store my ebooks. It can convert between MOBI (Amazon) and EPUB 
(almost everyone else) formats. The gotcha in converting to EPUB from MOBI is 
many of the Amazon ebooks have DRM. There is a plugin for Calibre called deDRM 
that works pretty well to remove it.

For many of my uses, neither format is very useful.

The MOBI format doesn’t natively handle mathematical formulae at all, so few of 
the math/physics/engineering tomes are in that format.

The EPUB format is really just HTML5, so it can theoretically do technical 
stuff with MathML, but none of the ebook readers can handle any but the 
simplest MathML constructs.

So, most of the technical stuff is still using PDF.

Calibre can handle all three formats in a personal library.

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[John Robinson]

I mentioned that I found a program to convert PDF to various formats, ePub 
being what I need.

Prior to getting iBooks I had purchased several book from Amazon for their 
Kindle software for the Mac.  Not a bad piece of software, and I picked up a 
Kindle in a store one day and the hardware works exactly as the software…at 
least at that time. The books can be highlighted BUT the important information 
cannot be saved by either saving just the highlights, or emailing them as does 
iBooks.

Now I want to convert the Kindle to ePub, the software I just purchased does 
not work with the Kindle format.

Anyone know of a reputable software that will do this?

Appreciate any help.

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Top one is HDMI: from computer or cable box to TV or projector. Carries 
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> On Dec 22, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Nelsn Helm  wrote:
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> 1. plugs are identical. What is it?
> <01.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 2. What is it for? RCA to disk?
> <03.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 3. USB2 to ethernet jack on Uninterruptible Power Supply
> so USB can shut down computer when power fails.
> Yours for asking.
> <04.jpg>
> 
> 
> 4. Yours for asking. May work with shaver or power supply.
> <05.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 5. Yours for asking. May work with shaver or power supply.
> 
> <06.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 6. ¿ skip the computer, send signal from amp to earphones? From telephone to 
> speakers?
> Please take it away.
> <07.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 7. Power supply from Acer Aspire One.  Rotates to fit on power strip.
> <08.jpeg>Note bottom left, “push” to turn.
> 
> 
> 8. 
>  <09.jpg>
> 
> 
> 9. plug bent, as you can see, but works. Needs part to plug into wall.
> <10.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 10. from old scanner
> <11.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 11. beautiful power cord for lampshade Mac, free to loving home.
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Thankyou Lee,  I opened the email because it was supposedly from my son, when I 
got suspicious I called him and he confirmed that it was not from him. 
The link that I opened seemed like something we had been discussing recently, 
so that is what caught me. I use Carbonite from my off site backup, and have
used Lastpass to generate my passwords.
> On Jul 26, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Lee Larson  wrote:
> 
> On Jul 25, 2016, at 1:03 PM, MICHAEL ROBERTSON  wrote:
> 
>> What would you do if you were an idiot like me, and opened a link  in a 
>> email, that you realized was malicious. Take the unit to Simply Mac, to have 
>> them run a scan?
>> Buy some program from Norton or others, to run a scan.
>> Obviously change passwords for sites for banking and retail.
>> Any opinions appreciated.
> 
> How do you know it was malicious?
> 
> If all you did was open a link, then likely all it could do was send a 
> JavaScript and a few cookies. Clear your history and cookies and you’ll 
> probably be OK. Make sure you have good backups.
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On Jul 25, 2016, at 1:03 PM, MICHAEL ROBERTSON  wrote:

> What would you do if you were an idiot like me, and opened a link  in a 
> email, that you realized was malicious. Take the unit to Simply Mac, to have 
> them run a scan?
> Buy some program from Norton or others, to run a scan.
> Obviously change passwords for sites for banking and retail.
> Any opinions appreciated.

How do you know it was malicious?

If all you did was open a link, then likely all it could do was send a 
JavaScript and a few cookies. Clear your history and cookies and you’ll 
probably be OK. Make sure you have good backups.

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What would you do if you were an idiot like me, and opened a link  in a email, 
that you realized was malicious. Take the unit to Simply Mac, to have them run 
a scan?
Buy some program from Norton or others, to run a scan.
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Thanks Jonathan, I ordered the one Dan suggested and it is suppose to be here 
tomorrow.  This will save $10.00 a month once the faster speeds arrive.

I so appreciate all the help from the folks on this list, it’s better than the 
Great Carnac   

John




> On Mar 31, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Jonathan Fletcher  
> wrote:
> 
> John, 
> 
> I’m not using a modem from TWC. I bought my last one from Amazon. I can’t 
> return it now, but if I have to buy another one I’ll get it from Amazon, too. 
> 
> Unlike the technology that uverse uses, cable modems are pretty 
> standards-based and you can get any DOCSIS 3 device, that will handle the 
> speeds, to work. All of the devices that TWC lists as compatible with their 
> system are also available elsewhere.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2016, at 12:00 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> You can return your old TW modem to Amazon?  
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Jonathan Fletcher  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the warning! I guess I’ll use Amazon, then.
> 
> 
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John, 

I’m not using a modem from TWC. I bought my last one from Amazon. I can’t 
return it now, but if I have to buy another one I’ll get it from Amazon, too. 

Unlike the technology that uverse uses, cable modems are pretty standards-based 
and you can get any DOCSIS 3 device, that will handle the speeds, to work. All 
of the devices that TWC lists as compatible with their system are also 
available elsewhere.

Jonathan


> On Mar 31, 2016, at 12:00 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> You can return your old TW modem to Amazon?  
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Jonathan Fletcher  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the warning! I guess I’ll use Amazon, then.



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Also, 

New Albany only has ONE place, I imagine Louisville has several sites to do the 
changeout.  



> On Mar 30, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Jonathan Fletcher  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the warning! I guess I’ll use Amazon, then.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2016, at 12:00 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> I went to TimeWarner early this morning to return the old modem, lined 
>> around the wall and out the door.   I went back about 1:00, same thing and 
>> myself and another guy left grumbling…went back a little after 4:00 and I 
>> was lucky I got in fine, by the time I left they were double parked and out 
>> the door.  Seems bunches of folks are getting the new modems, whew.
>> 
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You can return your old TW modem to Amazon?  


John


> On Mar 30, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Jonathan Fletcher  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the warning! I guess I’ll use Amazon, then.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2016, at 12:00 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> I went to TimeWarner early this morning to return the old modem, lined 
>> around the wall and out the door.   I went back about 1:00, same thing and 
>> myself and another guy left grumbling…went back a little after 4:00 and I 
>> was lucky I got in fine, by the time I left they were double parked and out 
>> the door.  Seems bunches of folks are getting the new modems, whew.
>> 
> 
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Thanks for the warning! I guess I’ll use Amazon, then.

Jonathan


> On Mar 30, 2016, at 12:00 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> I went to TimeWarner early this morning to return the old modem, lined around 
> the wall and out the door.   I went back about 1:00, same thing and myself 
> and another guy left grumbling…went back a little after 4:00 and I was lucky 
> I got in fine, by the time I left they were double parked and out the door.  
> Seems bunches of folks are getting the new modems, whew.
> 

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Thanks Jonathan, I believe Dan’s solution will work fine and like you say I am 
keeping the modem separate from the router.  

I went to TimeWarner early this morning to return the old modem, lined around 
the wall and out the door.   I went back about 1:00, same thing and myself and 
another guy left grumbling…went back a little after 4:00 and I was lucky I got 
in fine, by the time I left they were double parked and out the door.  Seems 
bunches of folks are getting the new modems, whew.


John



> On Mar 29, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Jonathan Fletcher  wrote:
> 
> They should be able to, or tell you how. I would not get a combo unit because 
> it limits your choices of wireless features. Get a simple modem that is rated 
> for the speed and then plug your router and wifi units into that. Then if one 
> of them goes out, you only have to replace that part.
> 
> 
> BTW, TWC lists a variety of modems that are compatible with their various 
> levels of service here:
> 
> http://www.timewarnercable.com/en/support/internet/topics/lease-or-buy-modem.html
> 
> Click on the "300 Mbps" section to see what they consider workable.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2016, at 7:22 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> One final note, the TimeWarner folks told me to call the same number that I 
>> called for their modem and they would set up my own modem to be sure it’s 
>> working.  Not sure if they can set this modem to Bridge mode, we’ll see.
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They should be able to, or tell you how. I would not get a combo unit because 
it limits your choices of wireless features. Get a simple modem that is rated 
for the speed and then plug your router and wifi units into that. Then if one 
of them goes out, you only have to replace that part.


BTW, TWC lists a variety of modems that are compatible with their various 
levels of service here:

http://www.timewarnercable.com/en/support/internet/topics/lease-or-buy-modem.html

Click on the "300 Mbps" section to see what they consider workable.

Jonathan





> On Mar 29, 2016, at 7:22 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> One final note, the TimeWarner folks told me to call the same number that I 
> called for their modem and they would set up my own modem to be sure it’s 
> working.  Not sure if they can set this modem to Bridge mode, we’ll see.

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One final note, the TimeWarner folks told me to call the same number that I 
called for their modem and they would set up my own modem to be sure it’s 
working.  Not sure if they can set this modem to Bridge mode, we’ll see.

John


> On Mar 29, 2016, at 7:11 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Chris, I am ordering now….so appreciate your help.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Chris Denny > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My Time Capsule and Arris work well together
>> I get a 300 meg connection over wifi with my TC.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2016, at 7:00 PM, John Robinson > > wrote:
>> 
>>> In looking at the back of the NetGear modem/Router there is no COAX 
>>> connection, which is how TimeWarner brings connectivity TO the 
>>> modem…outbound is through ethernet or wireless but at first blush this unit 
>>> won’t work.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 29, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Lee Larson > wrote:
 
 On Mar 29, 2016, at 2:15 PM, John Robinson > wrote:
 
> My 2009 MacBook Pro (with the removable battery) is needing a new drive, 
> it’s slower than watching corn grow.  I want to get a new Macbook but 
> will wait until the new models come out later this year. My daughter is 
> wanting a laptop so I might be able to fix this one for her to use.
 
 That’s still a pretty capable machine, even seven years later. I still use 
 one as my main machine for writing and email because it’s got a good 
 display, nice keyboard and dual-core 2.4 GHz processor. The newer machines 
 often seem faster, not because their hardware is so much better, but 
 because of the SSD drives.
 
 
> Any suggestions as to what is a good brand, where to purchase?
 
 Pretty much any 2.5” SATA drive should work. My solution, a little more 
 than a year ago, was to compromise with a Seagate ST1000DX hybrid drive. 
 This is a 1 TB spinning drive with a built-in 8 GB solid-state cache. It’s 
 kind of like Apple’s Mechanical/SSD Fusion drive combo. The firmware on 
 the drive watches which files you use most often and keeps them in the 
 cache, so it’s pretty fast loading the programs you always use — after it 
 learns what they are. You can pick up such a drive for $75 or so.
 
 A year ago, SSDs were still pretty expensive, but they’ve come down in 
 price so much over the last year, that I’d probably go with one of those 
 now. Before buying one, do a little research to get a drive supported by 
 the TRIM in El Capitan and learn how to turn it on. Otherwise, the 
 performance of your SSD will degrade over time.
 
 Don’t expect spectacular SSD performance off that machine because it’s got 
 a slower SATA bus than the newer machines. You may be able to improve it a 
 lot by making sure you’ve installed Apple’s firmware patches which raised 
 the link speed from 1.5 Gb/s to 3.0 Gb/s. It made a real difference on my 
 machine. The upgrades weren’t available on all the 2009 machines.
 
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O.K., I’ll head there now, thanks Chris.



> On Mar 29, 2016, at 7:03 PM, Chris Denny  wrote:
> 
> Take my word for it and get the Arris/Motorola Surboard 6183 it's around a 
> 100 bucks on Amazon
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 29, 2016, at 7:00 PM, John Robinson  > wrote:
> 
>> In looking at the back of the NetGear modem/Router there is no COAX 
>> connection, which is how TimeWarner brings connectivity TO the 
>> modem…outbound is through ethernet or wireless but at first blush this unit 
>> won’t work.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Lee Larson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2016, at 2:15 PM, John Robinson >> > wrote:
>>> 
 My 2009 MacBook Pro (with the removable battery) is needing a new drive, 
 it’s slower than watching corn grow.  I want to get a new Macbook but will 
 wait until the new models come out later this year. My daughter is wanting 
 a laptop so I might be able to fix this one for her to use.
>>> 
>>> That’s still a pretty capable machine, even seven years later. I still use 
>>> one as my main machine for writing and email because it’s got a good 
>>> display, nice keyboard and dual-core 2.4 GHz processor. The newer machines 
>>> often seem faster, not because their hardware is so much better, but 
>>> because of the SSD drives.
>>> 
>>> 
 Any suggestions as to what is a good brand, where to purchase?
>>> 
>>> Pretty much any 2.5” SATA drive should work. My solution, a little more 
>>> than a year ago, was to compromise with a Seagate ST1000DX hybrid drive. 
>>> This is a 1 TB spinning drive with a built-in 8 GB solid-state cache. It’s 
>>> kind of like Apple’s Mechanical/SSD Fusion drive combo. The firmware on the 
>>> drive watches which files you use most often and keeps them in the cache, 
>>> so it’s pretty fast loading the programs you always use — after it learns 
>>> what they are. You can pick up such a drive for $75 or so.
>>> 
>>> A year ago, SSDs were still pretty expensive, but they’ve come down in 
>>> price so much over the last year, that I’d probably go with one of those 
>>> now. Before buying one, do a little research to get a drive supported by 
>>> the TRIM in El Capitan and learn how to turn it on. Otherwise, the 
>>> performance of your SSD will degrade over time.
>>> 
>>> Don’t expect spectacular SSD performance off that machine because it’s got 
>>> a slower SATA bus than the newer machines. You may be able to improve it a 
>>> lot by making sure you’ve installed Apple’s firmware patches which raised 
>>> the link speed from 1.5 Gb/s to 3.0 Gb/s. It made a real difference on my 
>>> machine. The upgrades weren’t available on all the 2009 machines.
>>> 
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Take my word for it and get the Arris/Motorola Surboard 6183 it's around a 100 
bucks on Amazon

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2016, at 7:00 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> In looking at the back of the NetGear modem/Router there is no COAX 
> connection, which is how TimeWarner brings connectivity TO the modem…outbound 
> is through ethernet or wireless but at first blush this unit won’t work.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2016, at 2:15 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My 2009 MacBook Pro (with the removable battery) is needing a new drive, 
>>> it’s slower than watching corn grow.  I want to get a new Macbook but will 
>>> wait until the new models come out later this year. My daughter is wanting 
>>> a laptop so I might be able to fix this one for her to use.
>> 
>> That’s still a pretty capable machine, even seven years later. I still use 
>> one as my main machine for writing and email because it’s got a good 
>> display, nice keyboard and dual-core 2.4 GHz processor. The newer machines 
>> often seem faster, not because their hardware is so much better, but because 
>> of the SSD drives.
>> 
>> 
>>> Any suggestions as to what is a good brand, where to purchase?
>> 
>> Pretty much any 2.5” SATA drive should work. My solution, a little more than 
>> a year ago, was to compromise with a Seagate ST1000DX hybrid drive. This is 
>> a 1 TB spinning drive with a built-in 8 GB solid-state cache. It’s kind of 
>> like Apple’s Mechanical/SSD Fusion drive combo. The firmware on the drive 
>> watches which files you use most often and keeps them in the cache, so it’s 
>> pretty fast loading the programs you always use — after it learns what they 
>> are. You can pick up such a drive for $75 or so.
>> 
>> A year ago, SSDs were still pretty expensive, but they’ve come down in price 
>> so much over the last year, that I’d probably go with one of those now. 
>> Before buying one, do a little research to get a drive supported by the TRIM 
>> in El Capitan and learn how to turn it on. Otherwise, the performance of 
>> your SSD will degrade over time.
>> 
>> Don’t expect spectacular SSD performance off that machine because it’s got a 
>> slower SATA bus than the newer machines. You may be able to improve it a lot 
>> by making sure you’ve installed Apple’s firmware patches which raised the 
>> link speed from 1.5 Gb/s to 3.0 Gb/s. It made a real difference on my 
>> machine. The upgrades weren’t available on all the 2009 machines.
>> 
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You can't use a DSL Modem with TWC. Netgear makes a cable modem with built in 
wifi if you want a combo.

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> On Mar 29, 2016, at 6:54 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks Chris and Lee, so fantastic to have all this help at the end of a 
> keyboard.  It’s so valuable and we in this group are quite fortunate to have 
> those so willing to give of their time to help others….no little matter.
> 
> I did take the old modem back to TimeWarner so I wouldn’t be charged.  I did 
> ask them if buying my own modem would save me a monthly fee…sure enough, it’s 
> now $8.00 a month rental and going to $10.00…Jonathan was right, they will 
> get their slice of hide somehow.  
> 
> I can use any modem that will support the higher speeds and while there the 
> employee looked up and found a Netgear Nighthawk AC1900 Wi-Fi Router with 
> VDSL/ADSL Modem.  With speeds up to 1900 Mbps and lots of other technical 
> jargon it would work (according to this guy) and the speeds are almost 5 x 
> the max. that TimeWarner will be supporting.
> 
> Since I have NEVER used anything but an Apple Router what are the thoughts on 
> this unit?  It does say it requires the download of their Genie App to 
> control the unit so I gather it’s written for Apple products?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks a bunch.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2016, at 2:15 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My 2009 MacBook Pro (with the removable battery) is needing a new drive, 
>>> it’s slower than watching corn grow.  I want to get a new Macbook but will 
>>> wait until the new models come out later this year. My daughter is wanting 
>>> a laptop so I might be able to fix this one for her to use.
>> 
>> That’s still a pretty capable machine, even seven years later. I still use 
>> one as my main machine for writing and email because it’s got a good 
>> display, nice keyboard and dual-core 2.4 GHz processor. The newer machines 
>> often seem faster, not because their hardware is so much better, but because 
>> of the SSD drives.
>> 
>> 
>>> Any suggestions as to what is a good brand, where to purchase?
>> 
>> Pretty much any 2.5” SATA drive should work. My solution, a little more than 
>> a year ago, was to compromise with a Seagate ST1000DX hybrid drive. This is 
>> a 1 TB spinning drive with a built-in 8 GB solid-state cache. It’s kind of 
>> like Apple’s Mechanical/SSD Fusion drive combo. The firmware on the drive 
>> watches which files you use most often and keeps them in the cache, so it’s 
>> pretty fast loading the programs you always use — after it learns what they 
>> are. You can pick up such a drive for $75 or so.
>> 
>> A year ago, SSDs were still pretty expensive, but they’ve come down in price 
>> so much over the last year, that I’d probably go with one of those now. 
>> Before buying one, do a little research to get a drive supported by the TRIM 
>> in El Capitan and learn how to turn it on. Otherwise, the performance of 
>> your SSD will degrade over time.
>> 
>> Don’t expect spectacular SSD performance off that machine because it’s got a 
>> slower SATA bus than the newer machines. You may be able to improve it a lot 
>> by making sure you’ve installed Apple’s firmware patches which raised the 
>> link speed from 1.5 Gb/s to 3.0 Gb/s. It made a real difference on my 
>> machine. The upgrades weren’t available on all the 2009 machines.
>> 
>> L^2
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On Mar 29, 2016, at 2:15 PM, John Robinson  wrote:

> My 2009 MacBook Pro (with the removable battery) is needing a new drive, it’s 
> slower than watching corn grow.  I want to get a new Macbook but will wait 
> until the new models come out later this year. My daughter is wanting a 
> laptop so I might be able to fix this one for her to use.

That’s still a pretty capable machine, even seven years later. I still use one 
as my main machine for writing and email because it’s got a good display, nice 
keyboard and dual-core 2.4 GHz processor. The newer machines often seem faster, 
not because their hardware is so much better, but because of the SSD drives.


> Any suggestions as to what is a good brand, where to purchase?

Pretty much any 2.5” SATA drive should work. My solution, a little more than a 
year ago, was to compromise with a Seagate ST1000DX hybrid drive. This is a 1 
TB spinning drive with a built-in 8 GB solid-state cache. It’s kind of like 
Apple’s Mechanical/SSD Fusion drive combo. The firmware on the drive watches 
which files you use most often and keeps them in the cache, so it’s pretty fast 
loading the programs you always use — after it learns what they are. You can 
pick up such a drive for $75 or so.

A year ago, SSDs were still pretty expensive, but they’ve come down in price so 
much over the last year, that I’d probably go with one of those now. Before 
buying one, do a little research to get a drive supported by the TRIM in El 
Capitan and learn how to turn it on. Otherwise, the performance of your SSD 
will degrade over time.

Don’t expect spectacular SSD performance off that machine because it’s got a 
slower SATA bus than the newer machines. You may be able to improve it a lot by 
making sure you’ve installed Apple’s firmware patches which raised the link 
speed from 1.5 Gb/s to 3.0 Gb/s. It made a real difference on my machine. The 
upgrades weren’t available on all the 2009 machines.

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[John Robinson]

My 2009 MacBook Pro (with the removable battery) is needing a new drive, it’s 
slower than watching corn grow.  I want to get a new Macbook but will wait 
until the new models come out later this year.  My daughter is wanting a laptop 
so I might be able to fix this one for her to use.

Any suggestions as to what is a good brand, where to purchase?


Thanks for your help.

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Re: [MacGroup] What gives

[John Robinson]

Thanks for your input Bill & James, I had tried to find time to go by the Apple 
store Sunday afternoon, just couldn’t make it.  I’ll do as you suggest and I’ll 
try to see if Apple can trace this in any way.

John


> On Nov 21, 2015, at 12:42 PM, James Priest  wrote:
> 
> I would change my password several times over the next week. Shut off find my 
> phone on your devices and in Icloud on computer.  Call apple security if you 
> have not done so. You might Ck your out going messages to see if they sent 
> messages to others in your contacts. 
> 
> Dr. James Priest PhD 
> Sr. Fire Strategist/Researcher
> 
> On Nov 21, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Bill Holt  > wrote:
> 
>> Careful, John, that has the smell of old phish.  Check the underlying link 
>> associated with “iforgot.apple.com .”  You may 
>> find a dot-ru address, or something equally wrong.
>> 
>>Bill Holt
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 12:55 PM, John Robinson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here is a note I just received from Apple.
>>> 
>>> Does this mean what it appears, that someone one with my email, which is 
>>> one I use with Apple….they somehow got my password (it’s not an easy one to 
>>> ever discover) downloaded the App “Find My iPhone” and they are wanting to 
>>> “locate” the iPhone, which would “locate” me?  
>>> 
>>> I immediately changed my password, anyone have any ideas?  It was from a 
>>> computer that has never accessed Apple under my account before.  Of course 
>>> I didn’t do this.  What gives?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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[James Priest]

I would change my password several times over the next week. Shut off find my 
phone on your devices and in Icloud on computer.  Call apple security if you 
have not done so. You might Ck your out going messages to see if they sent 
messages to others in your contacts. 

Dr. James Priest PhD 
Sr. Fire Strategist/Researcher

> On Nov 21, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Bill Holt  wrote:
> 
> Careful, John, that has the smell of old phish.  Check the underlying link 
> associated with “iforgot.apple.com.”  You may find a dot-ru address, or 
> something equally wrong.
> 
>Bill Holt
> 
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 12:55 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> Here is a note I just received from Apple.
>> 
>> Does this mean what it appears, that someone one with my email, which is one 
>> I use with Apple….they somehow got my password (it’s not an easy one to ever 
>> discover) downloaded the App “Find My iPhone” and they are wanting to 
>> “locate” the iPhone, which would “locate” me?  
>> 
>> I immediately changed my password, anyone have any ideas?  It was from a 
>> computer that has never accessed Apple under my account before.  Of course I 
>> didn’t do this.  What gives?
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MacGroup] What gives

[Bill Holt]

Careful, John, that has the smell of old phish.  Check the underlying link 
associated with “iforgot.apple.com .”  You may find 
a dot-ru address, or something equally wrong.

   Bill Holt


> On Nov 20, 2015, at 12:55 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Here is a note I just received from Apple.
> 
> Does this mean what it appears, that someone one with my email, which is one 
> I use with Apple….they somehow got my password (it’s not an easy one to ever 
> discover) downloaded the App “Find My iPhone” and they are wanting to 
> “locate” the iPhone, which would “locate” me?  
> 
> I immediately changed my password, anyone have any ideas?  It was from a 
> computer that has never accessed Apple under my account before.  Of course I 
> didn’t do this.  What gives?
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
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[MacGroup] What gives

[John Robinson]

Here is a note I just received from Apple.

Does this mean what it appears, that someone one with my email, which is one I 
use with Apple….they somehow got my password (it’s not an easy one to ever 
discover) downloaded the App “Find My iPhone” and they are wanting to “locate” 
the iPhone, which would “locate” me?  

I immediately changed my password, anyone have any ideas?  It was from a 
computer that has never accessed Apple under my account before.  Of course I 
didn’t do this.  What gives?


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Re: [MacGroup] What Time Is It?

[R. D. Preston]

Hmmm…  …Dick Tracy should have been so fortunate!

-russ


 On Aug 27, 2015, at 11:43 AM, John Robinson profilecoven...@me.com wrote:
 
 
 A couple weeks ago I took the plunge and went for an Apple Watch…now my last 
 watch purchase was possibly 2 decades ago, my cousin and I both had purchased 
 the same watch, fancy thing, slick lines and highly polished…it was 
 fantastic…it told time!  Cost over $200 if I remember right and that was with 
 1980’s dollars.
 
 No need for a watch now with the iPhone, the watch was a relic of the past, 
 similar to the 8 track…..until now.
 
 Already within a couple weeks I don’t want to be without it….strange as it 
 seems it’s so handy to have all this technology on the wrist.  
 
 Text comes in, shows up on the watch, hit the reply and “dictate” the reply.  
 Very accurate, more so than the iPhone I believe, and then hit “send” as a 
 text or choose the voice choice where your words are sent as a verbal 
 response.  
 
 Want to send a text?  Bring the watch up and say “Hey Siri”, the face gets 
 blurry, then say  “Send A Text To ?” and then dictate the text…one 
 caveat, don’t delay, say it all at once.  Then it’s ready to go. 
 
 Want to read your emails, very easy to do on the watch, other than those that 
 have graphics, but the text is included.
 
 One of the coolest things is the maps.   On our way back from a small trip, 
 used the GPS in the Jeep for the drive but as we approached Lexington, KY we 
 wanted to eat at a Panera Bread so I ask Siri on the iPhone to find the 
 nearest restaurant.  She did so, then I hit the maps and the phone began the 
 turn by turn…what is all this vibration on my wrist???
 
 The Watch was now giving me the directions…two vibrations to turn left, more 
 than two to turn right.  Hold the watch up and the directions are on the 
 screen, hit the map icon and now it shows the route you are driving in real 
 time….are you kidding me!!  When you arrive it does a little dance and seems 
 to get very excited.
 
 I finally set up the exercise/health portion and now I am challenged all day 
 to meet the goals it sets (which I can adjust).  It also has me on a leash.  
 Driving my grandson to school in Borden, on my way back it vibrates and tells 
 me I need to get up and move..I am in the car but so wanted to obey.  Found a 
 Marathon station and got out and walked….I don’t want to be truant as a new 
 student. All day I will be told when to get up and move and as a person that 
 is glued to a computer this is a great thing….now I have to begin an exercise 
 program as that is one area I am not completing and I don’t like my test 
 scores.  At the end of the week I get a summary of what my week has been 
 like, I have got to get with it.
 
 Apple Pay, the real reason I wanted the watch.  I have been waiting for my 
 bank to get on board, I have been waiting for State Farm to get on board, 
 both are dragging their feet so I am going to open an account with Chase as 
 they helped Apple develop Apple Pay and they are very Apple savvy.   I read 
 where the Apple Pay is being used by Watch owners something over 90% of the 
 time while the iPhone is in the 70% category…why, convenience , it’s another 
 way to process your day with as little effort as possible…hit the button 
 twice, choose which card and lean the watch face to the machine and your 
 done….no information of yours at all left with the vendor, no possibly way a 
 hacker can get into their system and steal your credit card info, your email, 
 your phone number, etc. etc…it’s not there.
 
 So, the watch has had a bit of a rebirth, and when Apple brings out it’s next 
 version of the software in Sept. it’s going to drastically improve, many of 
 the Apps will be native from oh so many companies and it’s my understanding 
 the Watch will be untethered from the iPhone…
 
 One last note, my wife, who never likes technology will not part with her 
 iPad BUT she said she would never want the watch, didn’t have the least 
 interest of having something on here wrist…now she says she wants one, now 
 she says she has to have one…oh my…
 
 
 
 The numbers are in: Apple is No. 2 in wearables
 
 And the worldwide wearables market grew 223.2% in the second quarter of 2015, 
 according to a new study.
 
 The term “wearables”—as in wearable technology, the next evolution of mobile 
 electronics—has been on the lips of technologists for some time. It’s 
 supposed to be the future—an $80 billion market 
 http://fortune.com/2015/02/24/invisible-wearables-market/, some estimate.
 
 The potential of this nascent market has been rather hard to quantify. (So 
 has the definition. Smart watches? Sure. Glasses? Perhaps. “Hearables 
 http://fortune.com/2014/05/14/a-beats-acquisition-could-be-big-for-apple-hearables/“?
  Sure. Clothing? Well…) But a new IDC report 
 http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS25872215 shows that a trend 
 line is emerging.
 
 According to the market researcher, the 

Re: [MacGroup] What Time Is It?

[John Humphries]

I hear that!!!

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:41 PM, John Robinson profilecoven...@me.com
wrote:

 Thanks Chris, first report I’ve heard of anyone using the new software,
 let’s hope…love Apple, love their products and how they have changed our
 lives…

 And John, on the payroll?  If Angela would but ask!!

 John


 On Aug 27, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Chris Denny denny...@me.com wrote:

 Well when watched 2.0 comes out I think you will enjoy it quite a bit. I
 have been beta testing watch 2.0 for sometime and the extra features are
 quite nice I can't wait for a finished product

 Sent from my Apple Watch

 On Aug 27, 2015, at 1:30 PM, John Humphries johnedna2...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Ok you guys. Are you on the payroll? :)

 On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:15 PM, R. D. Preston preston@twc.com
 wrote:

 Hmmm…  …Dick Tracy should have been so fortunate!

 -russ


 On Aug 27, 2015, at 11:43 AM, John Robinson profilecoven...@me.com
 wrote:


 A couple weeks ago I took the plunge and went for an Apple Watch…now my
 last watch purchase was possibly 2 decades ago, my cousin and I both had
 purchased the same watch, fancy thing, slick lines and highly polished…it
 was fantastic…it told time!  Cost over $200 if I remember right and that
 was with 1980’s dollars.

 No need for a watch now with the iPhone, the watch was a relic of the
 past, similar to the 8 track…..until now.

 Already within a couple weeks I don’t want to be without it….strange as
 it seems it’s so handy to have all this technology on the wrist.

 Text comes in, shows up on the watch, hit the reply and “dictate” the
 reply.  Very accurate, more so than the iPhone I believe, and then hit
 “send” as a text or choose the voice choice where your words are sent as a
 verbal response.

 Want to send a text?  Bring the watch up and say “Hey Siri”, the face
 gets blurry, then say  “Send A Text To ?” and then dictate the text…one
 caveat, don’t delay, say it all at once.  Then it’s ready to go.

 Want to read your emails, very easy to do on the watch, other than those
 that have graphics, but the text is included.

 One of the coolest things is the maps.   On our way back from a small
 trip, used the GPS in the Jeep for the drive but as we approached
 Lexington, KY we wanted to eat at a Panera Bread so I ask Siri on the
 iPhone to find the nearest restaurant.  She did so, then I hit the maps and
 the phone began the turn by turn…what is all this vibration on my wrist???

 The Watch was now giving me the directions…two vibrations to turn left,
 more than two to turn right.  Hold the watch up and the directions are on
 the screen, hit the map icon and now it shows the route you are driving in
 real time….are you kidding me!!  When you arrive it does a little dance and
 seems to get very excited.

 I finally set up the exercise/health portion and now I am challenged all
 day to meet the goals it sets (which I can adjust).  It also has me on a
 leash.  Driving my grandson to school in Borden, on my way back it vibrates
 and tells me I need to get up and move..I am in the car but so wanted to
 obey.  Found a Marathon station and got out and walked….I don’t want to be
 truant as a new student. All day I will be told when to get up and move and
 as a person that is glued to a computer this is a great thing….now I have
 to begin an exercise program as that is one area I am not completing and I
 don’t like my test scores.  At the end of the week I get a summary of what
 my week has been like, I have got to get with it.

 Apple Pay, the real reason I wanted the watch.  I have been waiting for
 my bank to get on board, I have been waiting for State Farm to get on
 board, both are dragging their feet so I am going to open an account with
 Chase as they helped Apple develop Apple Pay and they are very Apple savvy.
   I read where the Apple Pay is being used by Watch owners something over
 90% of the time while the iPhone is in the 70% category…why, convenience ,
 it’s another way to process your day with as little effort as possible…hit
 the button twice, choose which card and lean the watch face to the machine
 and your done….no information of yours at all left with the vendor, no
 possibly way a hacker can get into their system and steal your credit card
 info, your email, your phone number, etc. etc…it’s not there.

 So, the watch has had a bit of a rebirth, and when Apple brings out it’s
 next version of the software in Sept. it’s going to drastically improve,
 many of the Apps will be native from oh so many companies and it’s my
 understanding the Watch will be untethered from the iPhone…

 One last note, my wife, who never likes technology will not part with her
 iPad BUT she said she would never want the watch, didn’t have the least
 interest of having something on here wrist…now she says she wants one, now
 she says she has to have one…oh my…



 The numbers are in: Apple is No. 2 in wearables

 And the worldwide wearables market grew 223.2% in the second quarter of
 

Re: [MacGroup] What Time Is It?

[John Humphries]

Ok you guys. Are you on the payroll? :)

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:15 PM, R. D. Preston preston@twc.com wrote:

 Hmmm…  …Dick Tracy should have been so fortunate!

 -russ


 On Aug 27, 2015, at 11:43 AM, John Robinson profilecoven...@me.com
 wrote:


 A couple weeks ago I took the plunge and went for an Apple Watch…now my
 last watch purchase was possibly 2 decades ago, my cousin and I both had
 purchased the same watch, fancy thing, slick lines and highly polished…it
 was fantastic…it told time!  Cost over $200 if I remember right and that
 was with 1980’s dollars.

 No need for a watch now with the iPhone, the watch was a relic of the
 past, similar to the 8 track…..until now.

 Already within a couple weeks I don’t want to be without it….strange as it
 seems it’s so handy to have all this technology on the wrist.

 Text comes in, shows up on the watch, hit the reply and “dictate” the
 reply.  Very accurate, more so than the iPhone I believe, and then hit
 “send” as a text or choose the voice choice where your words are sent as a
 verbal response.

 Want to send a text?  Bring the watch up and say “Hey Siri”, the face gets
 blurry, then say  “Send A Text To ?” and then dictate the text…one
 caveat, don’t delay, say it all at once.  Then it’s ready to go.

 Want to read your emails, very easy to do on the watch, other than those
 that have graphics, but the text is included.

 One of the coolest things is the maps.   On our way back from a small
 trip, used the GPS in the Jeep for the drive but as we approached
 Lexington, KY we wanted to eat at a Panera Bread so I ask Siri on the
 iPhone to find the nearest restaurant.  She did so, then I hit the maps and
 the phone began the turn by turn…what is all this vibration on my wrist???

 The Watch was now giving me the directions…two vibrations to turn left,
 more than two to turn right.  Hold the watch up and the directions are on
 the screen, hit the map icon and now it shows the route you are driving in
 real time….are you kidding me!!  When you arrive it does a little dance and
 seems to get very excited.

 I finally set up the exercise/health portion and now I am challenged all
 day to meet the goals it sets (which I can adjust).  It also has me on a
 leash.  Driving my grandson to school in Borden, on my way back it vibrates
 and tells me I need to get up and move..I am in the car but so wanted to
 obey.  Found a Marathon station and got out and walked….I don’t want to be
 truant as a new student. All day I will be told when to get up and move and
 as a person that is glued to a computer this is a great thing….now I have
 to begin an exercise program as that is one area I am not completing and I
 don’t like my test scores.  At the end of the week I get a summary of what
 my week has been like, I have got to get with it.

 Apple Pay, the real reason I wanted the watch.  I have been waiting for my
 bank to get on board, I have been waiting for State Farm to get on board,
 both are dragging their feet so I am going to open an account with Chase as
 they helped Apple develop Apple Pay and they are very Apple savvy.   I read
 where the Apple Pay is being used by Watch owners something over 90% of the
 time while the iPhone is in the 70% category…why, convenience , it’s
 another way to process your day with as little effort as possible…hit the
 button twice, choose which card and lean the watch face to the machine and
 your done….no information of yours at all left with the vendor, no possibly
 way a hacker can get into their system and steal your credit card info,
 your email, your phone number, etc. etc…it’s not there.

 So, the watch has had a bit of a rebirth, and when Apple brings out it’s
 next version of the software in Sept. it’s going to drastically improve,
 many of the Apps will be native from oh so many companies and it’s my
 understanding the Watch will be untethered from the iPhone…

 One last note, my wife, who never likes technology will not part with her
 iPad BUT she said she would never want the watch, didn’t have the least
 interest of having something on here wrist…now she says she wants one, now
 she says she has to have one…oh my…



 The numbers are in: Apple is No. 2 in wearables

 And the worldwide wearables market grew 223.2% in the second quarter of
 2015, according to a new study.

 The term “wearables”—as in wearable technology, the next evolution of
 mobile electronics—has been on the lips of technologists for some time.
 It’s supposed to be the future—an $80 billion market
 http://fortune.com/2015/02/24/invisible-wearables-market/, some
 estimate.

 The potential of this nascent market has been rather hard to quantify. (So
 has the definition. Smart watches? Sure. Glasses? Perhaps. “Hearables
 http://fortune.com/2014/05/14/a-beats-acquisition-could-be-big-for-apple-hearables/“?
 Sure. Clothing? Well…) But a new IDC report
 http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS25872215 shows that a
 trend line is emerging.