I haven't, have to deal with selfish neighbour attitude but I will when
I get a chance, so therefore reserve the right o comment on this subject
at a later date but you all know that I am always civil.
Hendrik
who hates bureaucrazy
Allan Streib wrote:
Not to speak for Kaleb but IMO it's
and altered the test results, knowing that one day that would be useful?
Hendrik
who is being cheeky to his elders
WILTON wrote:
BTW - an interesting little aside, well, to me, anyway: I spent a
night at the site of the Greenland ice coring project by the National
Science Foundation in
, July 10, 2011 12:08 AM
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and altered the test results, knowing that one day that would be
useful?
Hendrik
who is being cheeky to his elders
WILTON wrote:
BTW - an interesting little aside, well, to me, anyway: I spent a night
at the site
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astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
Because our elected representatives know better than to enact
Climate change lies
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astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
Because our elected representatives know better than to enact something
so idiotic.
ROTFL
To quote some wise soul whose name I can't recall The most dangerous
thing
in America is Congress in session.
No one's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in
session.
-- Mark Twain
Glad we can agree on something. This Congress is the most dangerous in the
history of the republic. Thank God there is a measure of sanity in the
Senate to block all the crazy stuff emerging from the House.
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
To quote
andrew wrote:
Who pays for the hospital bills of brain-damaged
unhelmeted motorcyclists without insurance? We all do, whether you realize
it or not.
Sounds like death panels to me.
Too much money, let 'im die.
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Randy wrote:
Some goofball persuaded the government that it was a good idea to promote
them but it makes no sense to me at all.
A better design of the rate structures would accomplish much, it
seems, rather than limit to the marketplace.
It is the same with water use in western cities. They do
Dieselhead wrote:
It is up to US to reclaim the liberty this country originally had by
chopping gummit everywhere. School board of corruption, county
crookervisors, city leechers, state legiscreeps, and congressional
slimeballs.
Oh, man...
You ruined my plan to garner some reaction from
On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:31:38 -0400 andrew strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
Glad we can agree on something. This Congress is the most dangerous in
the history of the republic. Thank God there is a measure of sanity in
the Senate to block all the crazy stuff emerging from the House.
I agree. Let's limit our discussion to those marvels of German automotive
engineering.
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:31:38 -0400 andrew strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
Glad we can agree on something. This Congress is the
andrew strasfogel wrote:
Glad we can agree on something. This Congress is the most dangerous in the
history of the republic. Thank God there is a measure of sanity in the
Senate to block all the crazy stuff emerging from the House.
You mean the White House?
Mitch.
I meant the US House of Representatives as currently consituted, to be
precise.
But hadn't we all agreed to a ceasefire in these political discussions?
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
andrew strasfogel wrote:
Glad we can agree on something. This Congress
G Mann wrote:
BTW, to the original poster on this thread. Try the latest version of LED
lights.
Do they draw a balanced current from BOTH sides of the AC waveform?
Pulling DC from an AC outlet is not a good thing, and that's what LED lights
used to do.
Can't answer that one, it's above my pay grade.
Easy answer perhaps would be to contact the Mfg. Easy source for the LED
direct replacement bulbs is now Home Depot. I assume there is one near you.
They perhaps have some trick electronics mounted internally to make the LED
bulbs work on AC
No, AGW (anthropogenic global warming) is about religion, not science, even
though the true believers wrap it in the cloak of science.
You can't change the terms of the discussion and actually apply reason, you
will be labeled a denierand scorned, ridiculed, or worse (but you probably
already
G Mann wrote:
Can't answer that one, it's above my pay grade.
Easy answer perhaps would be to contact the Mfg. Easy source for the LED
direct replacement bulbs is now Home Depot. I assume there is one near you.
They perhaps have some trick electronics mounted internally to make the LED
bulbs
Mitch,
They are sealed units, so access to the circuits is not available to put a
meter on them.. They have 24 LED's and screw into normal light sockets. The
light emitted is bright, clean, and softwhite. When I went looking, I
found not all LED bulbs are soft white and in fact many / most are
G Mann wrote:
Mitch,
They are sealed units, so access to the circuits is not available to put a
meter on them.. They have 24 LED's and screw into normal light sockets. The
light emitted is bright, clean, and softwhite. When I went looking, I
found not all LED bulbs are soft white and in fact
Curly fries taste good, so curly fry light bubs HAVE to be good
(Obummer logic)
Mitch,
They are sealed units, so access to the circuits is not available to put a
meter on them.. They have 24 LED's and screw into normal light sockets. The
light emitted is bright, clean, and softwhite. When
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 6:34 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
You meter them where the electricity goes in.
In the case of threaded lamp socket bulbs, that's the threads and the center
tip of the base.
Or put them in a lamp with a cord and use a Kill-A-Watt.
Alex
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Mitch,
They are sealed units, so access to the circuits is not available to put a
meter on them
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Mitch,
They are sealed units, so access to the circuits is not available to put
I've also never encountered a dimmer that didn't make noise no matter
what kind of bulbs,
I use a Variac on the bedside (incandescent) reading light.
Zero noise.
-- Jim
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andrew strasfogel wrote:
The price is way down on the corkscrew CFLs and while they can and do burn
out after a year they aren't expensive to repair. Plus, as a bonus every
time I purchase a CFL and throw out an old incandescent a Tea Bagger gags!!
What in the world do CFLs have to do with
Grant wrote:
Respectfully request I be excluded from the to the man group in your quest
for truth and justice. I support your quest for independence from the
nanny state mindless mentality.
That's right - I recall your support a while back in this quest.
And, thanks Mitch - I will be looking
Max wrote:
You can't change the terms of the discussion and actually apply reason, you
will be labeled a denierand scorned, ridiculed, or worse (but you probably
already know this)
Same with truthers about holocaust 911.
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 08:07 -0700, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
Who says the compact florescents burn out quick? In fact I've never
seen one fail that wasn't mounted upside down and the more recent ones
seem to tolerate inverse mounting reasonably well.
I've used them, I would not
...
-Curt
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 06:25:31 -0700
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hood.
-Curt
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 09:22:08 -0700
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His realtor told him to use 100 watt to make the place more inviting
and likely to sell.
I have terrible life with CF, but that is due
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andrew strasfogel wrote:
The price is way down on the corkscrew CFLs and while they can and do burn
out after a year they aren't expensive to repair. Plus, as a bonus every
time I purchase a CFL and throw out an old incandescent
astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
They are pro incandescent.
I must have missed that in the 2010 election news.
Care to cite an example?
Mitch
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On 07/07/2011 12:58 PM, redghost wrote:
could be my 80+ year old wiring, though most of it is actually less
than 11 years old. No real idea why I get crap CFL life. Still not
cost effective to use the stupid things. I like the heat coming off a
bulb in the winter. Reduces heating costs.
I have almost all CFL in our house. The first few years we tried them, they
only lasted a year or two. The next set we bought are still running with one
exception. They are standard models (nothing special), nd are upside down,
right side up, sideways, inside and outside. this house was built in
I don't identify as a tea partier, and I have no problem with you using CFLs in
your home if that's what you want to do. I do have a problem with the federal
government micromanaging what should be a free market choice. It's nothing to
do with incandescent bulbs in particular, they are just a
Same as seat belt and helmet laws - they are designed to promote the public
welfare and save public costs at a small cost in personal freedom (the right
to act recklessly?). Who pays for the hospital bills of brain-damaged
unhelmeted motorcyclists without insurance? We all do, whether you
On 07/07/2011 3:59 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
Same as seat belt and helmet laws - they are designed to promote the public
welfare and save public costs at a small cost in personal freedom (the right
to act recklessly?). Who pays for the hospital bills of brain-damaged
unhelmeted motorcyclists
No, they are Pro-choice. Show me exactly wherein the US constitution
it gives the federal gummit the power to dictate what citizens choose
to buy or not buy.
Same thing goes for the shovey VoltZap
They are pro incandescent.
andrew strasfogel wrote:
The price is way down on the
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On 07/07/2011 3:59 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
Same as seat belt and helmet laws - they are designed to promote the public
welfare and save public costs at a small cost
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No, they are Pro-choice. Show me exactly wherein the US constitution
it gives the federal gummit the power to dictate what citizens choose
to buy or not buy.
Same thing goes for the shovey
Similarly, the cumulative savings in energy efficiency from a national
perspective are worth the cost and inconvenience - as determined by your/our
democratically elected representatives - of phasing out incandescent bulbs
for more efficient lighting.
The gummit is given express powers for
Here here! Right on Randy!
We can save lots of power using andrew's logic by turning off the
juice in DC and surrounding areas, except from noon to 1 PM daily.
On 07/07/2011 3:59 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
Same as seat belt and helmet laws - they are designed to promote the public
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No, they are Pro-choice. Show me exactly wherein the US constitution
it gives the federal gummit the power to dictate what citizens choose
to buy or not buy.
Same
astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
Because our elected representatives know better than to enact something so idiotic.
ROTFL!
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I pay my power bill, not the government, so your analogy fails. What if I don't
want a mercury-containing product, would rather pay a higher power bill? This
is an infringement of my liberty for false reasons (global warming).
Max
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On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 18:57:11 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
It is a discussion about quality, measurement of quality, and the use
of real math to create control charts. In this case, the quality
being measured is air temp. The truth is that recorded history of
temps is just a
So anyone... is this thread now in a section off the MBZ discussion
list?
Cause I would like to pass along a link that shows an example of our modern
government at work in a short video clip.
I'm a new guy on this list and don't wish to unduly bend any
sensibilities..
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at
06, 2011 11:02 PM
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On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 18:57:11 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
It is a discussion about quality, measurement of quality, and the use
of real math to create control charts. In this case, the quality
being measured
Not to speak for Kaleb but IMO it's probably gone as far as it should on
this list. I think everyone has said his piece and it's stayed
reasonably civil.
Could continue on the Banned list if you really want to.
G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com writes:
So anyone... is this thread now in a section
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No, they are Pro-choice. Show me exactly wherein the US constitution
it gives the federal gummit the power
Good enough then.. I'll let it rest.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
Not to speak for Kaleb but IMO it's probably gone as far as it should on
this list. I think everyone has said his piece and it's stayed
reasonably civil.
Could continue on the
We were told that CFC's put a hole in the ozone, and caused global
warming. Then they told us that CO2, required for plants to live, is
a terrible thing, and is causing holes in the ozone.
Then facts got in the way of the blarney. Every albore global
warming event had a blizzard befall it.
Hey, you are way behind on this. global warming no longer is the catch
phrase (probably because it is not true). Now they say, climate change
because that covers whatever they need it to.
Randy
On 06/07/2011 3:58 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
We were told that CFC's put a hole in the ozone, and
I got to that if you read on. Now Climate change is passe` and
they are on to global cooling.
Hey, you are way behind on this. global warming no longer is the
catch phrase (probably because it is not true). Now they say,
climate change because that covers whatever they need it to.
Randy
Hey, wait a minute. Global Cooling was what they were on about 10 or 20
years ago.
Randy
On 06/07/2011 4:50 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
I got to that if you read on. Now Climate change is passe` and they
are on to global cooling.
Hey, you are way behind on this. global warming no longer is the
Amen, now take it over to Banned, don't want to upset Andrew...
(probably too late)
Max
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Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
We were told that CFC's put a hole in the ozone, and caused global
warming. Then they told us
Naa, You are behind the times! That was 30-40 years ago... The
coming Ice age. I first saw it in popular science about 1972 or 3 I
think. It hit the electronic media (big news networks) about 3-5
years later.
Same MO, but not nearly as sinister. Again, it was trying to make
normal
It is a discussion about quality, measurement of quality, and the use
of real math to create control charts. In this case, the quality
being measured is air temp. The truth is that recorded history of
temps is just a blip in time. When data beyond the last 100 to 150
years of paper
To quote one of our new tzars Never let a good crisis go unused
Remember, what we must have to save us from these terrors of climate is more
and bigger government. Just send in your money.. all of it.
To bad we can't apply the Patriot Act to the terrorist politicians who
spread fear with an
On a related thought, I was listening to the radio while driving this
afternoon and was reminded that we will only be able to buy incandescent
light bulbs for about 6 months till the new federal ban on them takes place.
So the question is, if I go ahead and buy 20 years worth of bulbs to store
in
Puts the term Declaration of Independence in perspective, doesn't it?
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Barry Stark barryst...@verizon.net wrote:
On a related thought, I was listening to the radio while driving this
afternoon and was reminded that we will only be able to buy incandescent
light
soapbox-free Grant wrote:
To quote one of our new tzars Never let a good crisis go unused
Hey... hey... now you be hitting close to home.
Dat be da new mayor here, I believe.
mao - outside ChiTown
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Dieselhead wrote:
America is remarkable. When the people are set free, the economy booms
[and the taxes roll in.] Right now, we are not free. We are slaves of
the gummit. Simon Conway, LEGAL immigrant, and US Citizen. (actually,
there is only one kind of immigrant, the legal kind. All
http://freestateproject.org
Mountain Man wrote:
If anyone knows how/where to find people that are coalescing this
solution citizens - please let me know. There are 20 people listed on
the Conspiracy Hall of Fame, Sutton being one of them - I will be
contacting the ones that are still alive
Mao,
Respectfully request I be excluded from the to the man group in your quest
for truth and justice. I support your quest for independence from the
nanny state mindless mentality.
BTW, to the original poster on this thread. Try the latest version of LED
lights. They come in soft white, use
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