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On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Andy Shook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All,
I've made a career change and had to drop off list for a couple of weeks.
New contact info is below and let the Shook bashing resume…
Andy Shook
Okay, I have a dumb question. Well, several.
What is the Backup Exec Remote Agent for Windows for? Do you install it on
servers that don't actually have their own backup media (tape drive, etc.)?
For instance, say I have Server 1 that has a tape drive built in, and I have
Backup Exec on it
You pretty much nailed it John.
You build a single backup server, install the agents on the other servers,
and then back them up from the BU server.
If I remember correctly, for the Exchange server though you would need both
the remote agent and the Exchange agent. At least if you want to
Ah, the list is now complete again. Welcome back, Shook!
Christopher J. Bosak
Vector Company
c. 847.603.4673
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You need to install an RTFM Interface, due to an LBNC issue.
- B.O.F.H. (Merged 2 into 1) - Me
From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday,
And the Exchange module is ridiculously expensive. I've yet to
implement it but it does seem like a powerful piece of code.
On Aug 16, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Martin Blackstone wrote:
You pretty much nailed it John.
You build a single backup server, install the agents on the other
servers,
We actually own the Exchange agent already-we've had it installed on our old
Exchange server (the one that we've just decommissioned).
So, the only agent I install on the remote Exchange server is the Backup Exec
for Windows agent, then the Exchange agent actually goes on the full server?
I'm
The academic pricing isn't so bad. I can't remember what we paid, but it was a
few hundred bucks, as I recall.
From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup Exec Question
And the Exchange module is
No, you don't need a remote agent AND an Exchange agent for BU, the Exchange
Agent is the remote agent.
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
You pretty much nailed it John.
You build a single backup server, install the agents on the other servers,
and
Looks like it's turning into that Saturday, too.
Trying to help a customer get some EMC storage up and working - Oh, look,
I'm on-call. Oh, look, I just got two pages from customers who had power
outages due to the rainy weather.
Well, the upside is that it's going to take 10-12 hours for the
Hey all,
Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend
works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy,
please indicate.
If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how
are you compensated?
1. None, just man
If I had to choose, I would say #1
But I wouldn't put it that way. I look at it as the job we chose. Period.
It's not a 9 to 5 job.
PS full time IT dude here.
From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: After-hours work
#1 for the most part but if I come in on a weekend I get to flex it out. Full
time onsite for me.
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
From: Durf
To: NT System Admin Issues
Sent: Sat Aug 16 11:07:09 2008
Subject: After-hours work
Martin, largely I agree - but it's a bit different when you're in
consulting. The money's going into someone else's pocket, as we charge more
for after-hours work.
-- Durf
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Martin Blackstone
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
If I had to choose, I would say #1
But I
#1. Officially it's #3, but I don't see it as work. I enjoy the challenge.
(Full time IT)
Christopher J. Bosak
Vector Company
c. 847.603.4673
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You need to install an RTFM Interface, due to an LBNC issue.
- B.O.F.H. (Merged 2 into 1) - Me
From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL
Buddy of mine is facing #1 right now, except he carries the beeper
24x7x365. His company refuses to get him any backup. And the beeper
goes off pretty much EVERY night. Not kidding. His wife is not the
least bit happy; even though 95% of it is phone support. Can't blame
her for that.
I'm
Thanks Ben - this is kind of what I'm looking at as well. We lost our top
consultant about a year ago due to similar issues. The wife/life factor is
something that just cannot be ignored, and if it means we're losing good
people, then that's an issue.
-- Durf
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 11:58 AM,
Thanks Durf for asking this I too have been wondering. I am a # 1 but I am
suppose to have some flex that never seems to be available. On-site IT and
no beeper I just get calls.
Jon
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Durf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Ben - this is kind of what I'm looking
My company has an established policy for on-call compensation - I'm
not a conslutant:
First on-call
$20.00 per weekday evening
$50.00 per weekend/holiday
There's also a rate for second on-call, but I can't remember what it
is, as IT doesn't use that. Of course, as senior guy, I'm always
second
But if I want to backup both Exchange and files on that remote server, I'd need
both, right? The Exchange agent is only for backing up Exchange-not files...
From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re:
For me part of it is just loving what I do and a push to have everything
work flawlessly. I regularly work 50-60 hours a week and on salary. If I
work a Saturday or Sunday I get that comped. That being said I also wonder
why I do so much without proper compensation.
I live in the country on 1.5
I'm always on beeper (text messages via cell phone).
I get standard overtime for anything over 40 hrs per week.
Durf wrote:
If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper,
how are you compensated?
1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
2.
This seems like a very reasonable policy.
-- Durf
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Kurt Buff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My company has an established policy for on-call compensation - I'm
not a conslutant:
First on-call
$20.00 per weekday evening
$50.00 per weekend/holiday
There's also a
We have a nice setup here - we get our pick between #4 (paid quarterly)
or #5 (Onsite IT, private industry)
...Tim
From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: After-hours work
Hey all,
Taking a little informal poll
For me, it was definitely both the love of the tech, plus the freedom that
consulting gave - flexible schedule, can go pick up the drycleaning or
whatnot, something different every day. Lately though, my outfit has gotten
really regimented and the scheduling pretty tight, so I'm just not feeling
It sounds like you've got a pretty good deal-probably better than most in this
field. Pension plans are a rarity any more, and to get a 401(k) match on top of
that is great.
I just think of other professions, from mechanics on up to lawyers. Most charge
by the hour, and if they put extra time
We're geeks.
That carries a lot of freight, but let's start with a few things I've noticed:
1) geeks tend to like to concentrate on problem solving, and work
through problems to their own satisfaction, though not necessarily to
completion.
2) geeks tend to devalue personal interaction on the
I'm #1. I'm on call 24x7x365. I don't get paid extra for it.
I carry a blackberry. Work pays $40 of the $120 verizon bill.
That said, I almost never get called. If I do, it's my Jr Systems
Engineer with a simple question.
I do have to do work that requires system downtime after
hours(obviously),
# 1. Just got out of the consulting business. We were suppose to get payed
overtime but we never saw that or were ever offered flex time.
If your consulting and your employer can charge 125.00+ an hour for your
work for calls in the middle of the night and on weekends I think that you
as an
Interesting thread,
Currently I am in a position that I get calls all around the clock (support
customers around the world).
I am working usually 6 days a week and on average 12 hours a day. It's quite
a challenge…
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Try $250+. :)
The argument we've been given before against extra compensation is that we
don't want to encourage you to work after hours. And, admittedly, this
has led *me* at least to rely more heavily on techniques like Jeff
Middleton's Swing migration that can be largely performed during
I am in the combination of 1 5 depending on the circumstances of what I'm
am working on. I am on salary so the ball is on my court to make sure to
take the flex time when I can.
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Durf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey all,
Taking a little informal poll about
You know, I should have thought to ask whether folks were working salaried,
hourly/fulltime or hourly/contract. I suspect this does substantially
impact how compensation is structured.
-- Durf
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Mike Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am in the combination of
Durf,
Thanks for the interesting thread.
Salary, on site IT guy. Company pays for data plan on my Tilt, so I get
e-mail as it's sent. I am supposed to get 50% comp time but it has not
worked out like that so I will put myself in the #1 category. There are a
ton of hours, but I'm getting to play
John, I know for me it is that in 1 year, 10 months, and roughly 2 weeks I
get to retire and go work for a company that will hopefully pay me better or
not treat me like dirt simply because I try and save a bunch of (l)users
from stupid mistakes. I am also tired of the after hours work for
What you say seems to ring true. I came over to being a computer person
because I got tired of having my hands tied about fixing things I saw were
wrong. When you start as a regulator of a highly regulated industry and see
people lying to stop things that should not have been stopped and you can
Jon, you raise a lot of great points here.
I have to ask, aside from WHY we do it, what do we think we are?
Are we more like lawyers or accountants - or more like electricians or
plumbers? Are we white-collar professionals, or blue-collar hourly workers?
If we are more like lawers, then what?
I suspect that if more of us were hourly, weeks would rarely exceed 40 hours!
From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
John, I know for me it is that in 1 year, 10 months, and roughly 2
I don't know about your place of work but part of my reason for counting the
days is that the State of Florida has no controls in place, or at least none
I have found that prevents abuse. I know a lot of it is in-born in me. I
hate leaving a job undone or unfinished. My boss is aware of that
John -
This is more true than you'd think. In an effort to cut costs, my company
has recently frozen overtime for hourly employees. Well, all of our
associate consultants - the front-line PC jockeys who do the basic user
support - are hourly. This means they are effectively never on-call after
We certainly fall into the professionals category; it takes no fewer years to
become a good technician as it does to become a good lawyer or accountant. I'm
afraid that many of us put in white-collar hours for blue-collar pay, though.
We've done informal surveys here asking what we all make.
I doubt that would stop it much. I know for me at least I have a boss that
has to sign my timesheet and will not sign off on any OT without someone
else handing him a paper saying they have the budget to pay for it. I also
know that his boss has since my move from salary to hourly been trying to
Is it my memory going bad or wasn't Network Engineer a few years back in
some state not allowed as a title as the state in question did not have a
test to Certify someone with that knowledge? Don't ask me the state but I
think it was in the south west some place. I could be wrong I am getting
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