Re: Aw: Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: tree-structure

2020-04-26 Thread Edwina Taborsky
uot;SS-SO-SI". To both the complete triadicity applies, due to the level consisting of 3, 6, 10, 15,...28...66... completely triadic characters. Best, Helmut 26. April 2020 um 17:02 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" wrote: Helmut - no, in my view, the object - which to be accurat

Re: Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: tree-structure

2020-04-26 Thread Edwina Taborsky
es between the object and the interpretant, but also sort of creates both, isnt it so? So the object as such implies the relation between itself and the sign. So, if the sign-object-relation is 2ns, the object might well also be, or not? Best, Helmut 26. April 2020 um 15:57 Uhr "Edwina Ta

Re: Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: tree-structure

2020-04-26 Thread Edwina Taborsky
il 2020 um 15:57 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" wrote: Gary R - I'll continue with my comments on your post...these might be haphazard comments..as I read through 1] Again- I have trouble with accepting your position that the three 'elements' of the triadic sign: a

Re: Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: tree-structure

2020-04-26 Thread Edwina Taborsky
itical ThinkingCommunication StudiesLaGuardia College of the City University of New York [2] Virus-free. www.avg.com On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:42 PM Edwina Taborsky wrote: Helmut, you wrote: (is it agreed now, that sign is 1ns, object 2ns

Re: Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: tree-structure

2020-04-25 Thread Edwina Taborsky
iversity of New York [2] Virus-free. www.avg.com On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:42 PM Edwina Taborsky wrote: Helmut, you wrote: (is it agreed now, that sign is 1ns, object 2ns, and interpretant 3ns?) I certainly don't agree that the sign/repr

Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: tree-structure

2020-04-25 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut, you wrote: (is it agreed now, that sign is 1ns, object 2ns, and interpretant 3ns?) I certainly don't agree that the sign/representamen is [always?] in a categorical mode of 1ns, the object in 2ns, the interpretant in 3ns. Do you mean the order of the

Re: RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Fwd: an observation

2020-04-25 Thread Edwina Taborsky
, it would be futile for me to try to explain it here. Anyway I would only be paraphrasing what I (and Peirce and Susan Haack) said at http://www.gnusystems.ca/TS/rlb.htm#attend [1]. Gary f. From: Edwina Taborsky Sent: 25-Apr-20 08:22 To: 'Peirce-L' ; g...@gnusystems.ca

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Fwd: an observation

2020-04-25 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Gary R, list I'm going to reject your view that I 'oppose almost in principle' the research known as speculative grammar, which is research into the nature of a sign as symbol and the nature of symbols ..to their

Re: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Fwd: an observation

2020-04-25 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Gary F - please tell me how I am 'blocking the way to inquiry'. When I am critiqued by JAS when I use the phrase 'dynamic semiosis' because Peirce used the term 'dynamic' in a textual reference to the dyadic action of Secondness - that response is, in my view 'blocking the way

Re: Re: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Categories at work within the signs

2020-04-22 Thread Edwina Taborsky
:481, 1908). Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USAProfessional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Laymanwww.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt [1] - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt [2] On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:32 AM Edwina Taborsky wrote: Gary F, Auke, list I agree with Ga

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Categories At Play Beyond The Signs

2020-04-22 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Very funny. Exactly. But remember - we 'see' within our beliefs...It takes a lot of cool and objective induction, with many examples and questions, to decide whether to stick with those 'a priori' beliefs or take the

Re: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Categories at work within the signs

2020-04-22 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Gary F, Auke, list I agree with Gary's comments - however, specifically, I don't see that the 'minute semiotic analysis' is even a semiotic analysis; it's a terminological analysis. Semiosis is a dynamic process and a focus on terms ignores this actuality. My interest

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] The secret life of plants

2020-04-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
a fair amount of information among trees. "From Tree to Shining Tree" https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/from-tree-to-shining-tree kp On 4/17/2020 12:28 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: BODY { font-famil

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Categories at work within the signs

2020-04-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }John - I agree - most of us don't want to rehash our earlier arguments about these topics but I don't want to clarify. I don't think that it's Peirce's work that is controversial, with some of us preferring to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The secret life of plants

2020-04-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }John - thank you so very much for this post. I agree with your comments about plants - and as you say- from bacteria up. Peirce would even include chemical processes. Edwina On Fri 17/04/20 12:09 PM , "John F.

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Categories at work within the signs

2020-04-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }John - thanks for your comment. I think that's an important point. " Many theologians have considered Peirce's semeiotic useful for analyzing theological arguments. But nobody, not even Peirce, has suggested

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] The final interpretant

2020-04-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
ts aspect as a sign, the "Truth" of being. The "Truth," the fact that is not abstracted but complete, is the ultimate interpretant of every sign. (EP 2:304, 1904, bold added) Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USAProfessional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Laymanw

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] The final interpretant

2020-04-16 Thread Edwina Taborsky
e in its aspect as a sign, the "Truth" of being. The "Truth," the fact that is not abstracted but complete, is the ultimate interpretant of every sign. (EP 2:304, 1904, bold added) Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USAProfessional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layma

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Logic of Language: A Semiotic Introduction to the Study of Speech

2020-04-16 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Michael, Thank you for this excellent introduction. My interest is not in linguistics but in biological and societal modes of existence and adaptation - and I can see these elements in your linguistic analysis. For example, when you write 'always dynamic while

[PEIRCE-L] The final interpretant

2020-04-15 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Auke- I have a different view of the Final Interpretant - I see it as a means of 'changing habits'. My view of the Final Interpretant is that it is a continuous and infinite process of generalization, vital to the formation of habits. That is, the Logical or Final or Destinate

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Brief report on the pandemic from a Peircean triadic perspective by Fernando Zalamea

2020-04-10 Thread Edwina Taborsky
of knowledge. Or Stampers distinction between a radical subjectivist and an actualist perspective on matters. As long as no ideological goals are served by the discussion, I am fine with either approach. Auke Op 9 april 2020 om 14:46 schreef Edwina Taborsky : Auke - Thanks

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Differential Logic

2020-04-09 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Yes - I think Peirce and Spencer Brown work very well together. Thanks for all your work. Edwina On Thu 09/04/20 10:54 AM , Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.net sent: Cf: Differential Logic • Discussion 1 At:

Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Brief report on the pandemic from a Peircean triadic perspective by Fernando Zalamea

2020-04-09 Thread Edwina Taborsky
. The distinctions made with regard to signs (small or 1902/3 classification) scaffold the description. Best, Auke Op 8 april 2020 om 23:32 schreef Edwina Taborsky : Auke - thanks for your post. In this analysis, I'm looking at only the operation of Thirdness in both its

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Brief report on the pandemic from a Peircean triadic perspective by Fernando Zalamea

2020-04-08 Thread Edwina Taborsky
in itself, sign in relation to iets object and sign as it adrfresses its interpreting sign. Auke Op 7 april 2020 om 16:58 schreef Edwina Taborsky : Auke Governance, if we want to use a Peircean category to analyze it, would always have to be within the mode of Thirdness

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Brief report on the pandemic from a Peircean triadic perspective by Fernando Zalamea

2020-04-07 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Op 7 april 2020 om 14:44 schreef Edwina Taborsky : I disagree completely with this politicization of the Peircean categories. I consider that is shows a complete misunderstanding of the categories. I won't comment on the, what I feel are incorrect, political references. Just

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Brief report on the pandemic from a Peircean triadic perspective by Fernando Zalamea

2020-04-07 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }I disagree completely with this politicization of the Peircean categories. I consider that is shows a complete misunderstanding of the categories. I won't comment on the, what I feel are incorrect, political references.

Re: Aw: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-06 Thread Edwina Taborsky
oughts, are pointing into the future for the subject, and for the observer they have a reason in the past, and an effect on the future. Or something like that, Best! Helmut 06. März 2020 um 20:56 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" wrote: Helmut, Dan, list Koichiro Matsuno, a bio

[PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-06 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut, Dan, list Koichiro Matsuno, a bioengineer, and Peircean scholar, has written extensively on the notion of time, which he refers to as present, perfect and progressive [comparable to 1ns,2nd, 3ns]… I suggest you google his name, and on for example, Researchgate.net,

Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] A few loose ends - nonions vs. novenions; Galilean vs. Lorentz; surprising continuity

2019-12-15 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut, list I disagree that continuity is a 'major trait' of Firstness. It is, of Thirdness - but the point of Firstness is its lack of continuity, its lack of time. Firstness is 'present time' and only present time. No 'before' and no 'after'. There is no continuity to it. It

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Semiotics, Semiosis, Sign Relations

2019-11-09 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Jon, list I like your comment: " But the real issue is not about the cardinality or topology of any sub-posed continuum, "signiferous ether", or semiotic medium so much as the empirical data

Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] Re: The Difference That Makes A Difference That Peirce Makes

2019-10-21 Thread Edwina Taborsky
> > - Original Message - > From: Edwina Taborsky tabor...@primus.ca > To: , @, @, @, Validation failed for: Laws Of Form Group > lawsoff...@yahoogroups.com, @, @, @ > Sent: Mon 21/10/19 8:21 AM > Subject: Fwd: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: The Difference That Makes A Diff

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Article on Dan Siegel's 'Mind: A Journey to the Heart of Being Human'

2019-09-29 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Gary R, list Thanks for the article - I haven't had time to read it thoroughly - but, it reminds me of the CAS, the complex adaptive system that, to me, is the heart of Peircean semiosis. And of course, to

[PEIRCE-L] The functionality of Peirce

2019-09-23 Thread Edwina Taborsky
List: Here is an article from the online journal Entropy - which, in my view, shows the functionality of the Peircean framework. Note that entropy is akin to Firstness , and the semiosic process - which is a relational process of constant interactions between 'things'

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce and Cosmology

2019-09-03 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Jeff, list Thanks for your interesting suggestions - re the concept of multiple potentialities - and, as you write, : Jeff: "This, I think, quite naturally fits with his general strategy, which is to

[PEIRCE-L] Fwd: Improvisation Blog: Emerging Coherence of a New View of Physics at the Alternative Natural Philosophy Association

2019-09-03 Thread Edwina Taborsky
of the Universe was that it began in 'Nothing'. Edwina - Original Message - From: Edwina Taborsky edwina.tabor...@gmail.com To: edwina.tabor...@gmail.com, tabor...@primus.ca Sent: Sun 01/09/19 9:47 AM Subject: Fwd

[PEIRCE-L] The Functionality of Peirce

2019-08-29 Thread Edwina Taborsky
List Here is another description in my perhaps futile attempt to show that the Peircean theoretical infrastructure can be used, with excellent results, to examine and explain the real world. That is - the world beyond the seminar room. An off list reference from a member supplied me with the

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce and the Big Bang

2019-08-27 Thread Edwina Taborsky
y Richmond Philosophy and Critical Thinking Communication StudiesLaGuardia College of the City University of New York On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:53 PM Edwina Taborsky wrote: Gary R, list Yes, I continue to stick by my interpretations - just as others continue to stick by

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce and the Big Bang

2019-08-27 Thread Edwina Taborsky
tical ThinkingCommunication StudiesLaGuardia College of the City University of New York On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 9:30 AM Edwina Taborsky wrote: Gary R I'll continue to support my reading of Peirce - which disagrees with your outline. I know that some on this list have, graciously, defined me

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce and the Big Bang

2019-08-27 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Gary R I'll continue to support my reading of Peirce - which disagrees with your outline. I know that some on this list have, graciously, defined me as 'intelligent' - but, alas, also declared that my being

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce and the Big Bang

2019-08-23 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Jeffrey- thanks for your comments and the article. It certainly describes two different cosmological hypotheses - and - we don't know which is valid! Interesting - that Hawking proposed a cosmology where the universe emerged 'out of nothing'. This seems similar to the outline of Peirce

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Objective Idealism and Synechism (was Lecture by Terrence Deacon)

2019-08-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Jeff, list Agreed - all three categories are vital, and as such, I don't think that we can see Peirce's objective idealism as functioning without all three - at the same time and all as equally necessary. By the way - no-one

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Objective Idealism and Synechism (was Lecture by Terrence Deacon)

2019-08-16 Thread Edwina Taborsky
ast lecture in RLT might begin to if anything might. Best, Gary Gary Richmond Philosophy and Critical ThinkingCommunication Studies LaGuardia College of the City University of New York On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 3:58 PM Edwina Taborsky wrote: Gary R, list I have a problem

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Objective Idealism and Synechism (was Lecture by Terrence Deacon)

2019-08-16 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Gary R, list I have a problem with inserting 3ns prior to 1ns in the Origin of the Universe. That is, I don't see 3ns as a 'spatial continuum'' , My understanding of 3ns is that it refers to the development and

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [Peirce-L] Objective Idealism and Synechism

2019-08-11 Thread Edwina Taborsky
this list; we all > have some credibility as scholars; and any disagreements can only be met with > discussion - but not authoritative judgment by any individual. > > Rational people are open to persuasion, rather than dogmatically maintaining > their predetermined views regardle

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [Peirce-L] Objective Idealism and Synechism

2019-08-11 Thread Edwina Taborsky
ve together. > > Dogmatically stand by it all you want, it is an objectively invalid > interpretation, since Peirce stated plainly in CP 6.24 that "placing the > inward and outward aspects of substance on a par," and thus "render[ing] both > primordial," is not idea

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [Peirce-L] Objective Idealism and Synechism

2019-08-11 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } John, JAS, list JAS, you wrote: 1] What I have claimed, and do insist upon, is that some interpretations are invalid--for example, the "reading" that "objective idealism" as Peirce defined it in CP

Re: RE: [biosemiotics:9319] [PEIRCE-L] Lecture by Terrence Deacon

2019-08-10 Thread Edwina Taborsky
part de Edwina Taborsky Envoyé : jeudi 1 août 2019 13:50 À : Peirce-L ; biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee ; Gary Richmond Objet : Re: [biosemiotics:9319] [PEIRCE-L] Lecture by Terrence Deacon Exactly- Peircean semiosis, with its three modal categories and their subsets [1-1, 2-2

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [Peirce-L] Objective Idealism and Synechism

2019-08-09 Thread Edwina Taborsky
of us has such a right to self-declare one's interpretation as 'the only valid one'. On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:13 PM Edwina Taborsky < tabor...@primus.ca [3]> wrote: JAS, John, list I'll only respond to references to myself. JAS - Yes - I have said that Peirce's obj

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [Peirce-L] Objective Idealism and Synechism

2019-08-09 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS, John, list I'll only respond to references to myself. JAS - Yes - I have said that Peirce's objective idealism is a form of idealism [and Peirce did not use the term 'metaphysical idealism' in

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Objective Idealism and Synechism (was Lecture by Terrence Deacon)

2019-08-07 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS, list 1] As NG writes - NG: It is useful to think of the "idealism" half of Peirce’s philosophy of objective idealism as pointing to a theory of metaphysics, and the "objective" half, pointing to a theory of

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lecture by Terrence Deacon

2019-08-05 Thread Edwina Taborsky
sewhere described his metaphysics as "a Schelling-fashioned idealism which holds matter to be mere specialized and partially deadened mind" (CP 6.102, EP 1:312). In summary, in 1891-1892, Peirce labeled his own basic metaphysical doctrine as idealism--specifically, a Schelling-fashioned id

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lecture by Terrence Deacon

2019-08-04 Thread Edwina Taborsky
"on a par" (neutralism); and Peirce explicitly rejected both of these options. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USAProfessional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Laymanwww.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt [1] - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt [2] On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 7:37 AM Edw

[PEIRCE-L] Lecture by Terrence Deacon

2019-08-04 Thread Edwina Taborsky
t it is something that Peirce said, meant, implied, or intended. JFS: Anyone is free to write anything about Peirce that they wish. But no one has a right to attribute anything to Peirce that does not explicitly appear in any of his MSS. Regards, Jon S. On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 8:57 PM Edwina Ta

Re: Re: Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lecture by Terrence Deacon

2019-08-03 Thread Edwina Taborsky
nor Mind. There is no such "reading of Peirce," just a predetermined "interpretation" that can be maintained only out of sheer dogmatism, employing the method of tenacity rather than the method of science. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USAProfessional Engineer

Re: Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lecture by Terrence Deacon

2019-08-03 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut, list I'd agree with you - I don't see 'pure mind' or 'disembodied spirit' as 3ns. Thirdness, in my understanding, emerges WITH Matter and is not separate from its existence. And yes, possibility/1ns is a state and outside of time. With regard to the concept of

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lecture by Terrence Deacon

2019-08-03 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Now - whether these views are also similar to those of Peirce - is a matter for debate. No, again, Peirce's position is quite plainly stated in the text of CP 6.24-25--not dualism, neutralism, or materialism, but idealism; specifically, objective idealism, which holds "the psychical law al

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lecture by Terrence Deacon

2019-08-03 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Jon S. On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 10:27 AM Edwina Taborsky wrote: JAS, list I cannot find that section in 2.322 where Peirce inserts, in brackets that, eg, 'consciousness' is [1ns]...etc - and I disagree with such an insertion. Firstness is feeling, without consciousness - which

Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lecture by Terrence Deacon

2019-08-03 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS, list I cannot find that section in 2.322 where Peirce inserts, in brackets that, eg, 'consciousness' is [1ns]...etc - and I disagree with such an insertion. Firstness is feeling, without consciousness -

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lecture by Terrence Deacon

2019-08-03 Thread Edwina Taborsky
nd "that matter is effete mind." Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USAProfessional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Laymanwww.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt [1] - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt [2] On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 12:41 PM Edwina Taborsky < tabor...@primus.ca [3]>

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lecture by Terrence Deacon

2019-08-02 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS, Gary R, list: I continue to disagree with your stance that Peirce's objective idealism is equivalent to idealism - and that 'the psychical law is primordial' - with the psychical law as 3ns. My

[PEIRCE-L] Lecture by Terrence Deacon

2019-08-02 Thread Edwina Taborsky
shes' on the "blackboard" of continuity, 3ns. Best, Gary Gary Richmond Philosophy and Critical ThinkingCommunication StudiesLaGuardia College of the City University of New York On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 5:21 PM Edwina Taborsky < tabor...@primus.ca [1]>

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lecture by Terrence Deacon

2019-08-01 Thread Edwina Taborsky
way from my downtown desk and do not have my copy of Incomplete Nature with me uptown where I am about to be entertaining out of town guests. Best, Gary Gary Richmond Philosophy and Critical ThinkingCommunication StudiesLaGuardia College of the City University of New York On Thu, Aug 1, 2019

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lecture by Terrence Deacon

2019-08-01 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Exactly- Peircean semiosis, with its three modal categories and their subsets [1-1, 2-2; 2-1; 3-3; 3-2; 3-1]; and the semiosic process of DO-IO-R-II-DI-FI, functions as a Complex Adaptive System [CAS]. This is

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] On-line Symposium on Robert Lane's Peirce on Realism and Idealis

2019-07-23 Thread Edwina Taborsky
) Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USAProfessional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt [1] - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt [2] On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:42 AM John F Sowa wrote: On 7/22/2019 8:13 AM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: > That's

[PEIRCE-L] The Functionality of Peirce

2019-07-23 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }List From time to time, I receive requests for commentary on articles appearing in Brain and Behavioural Sciences. Here is in article I received today. I think that the comparisons with the Peircean categories

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] On-line Symposium on Robert Lane's Peirce on Realism and Idealis

2019-07-22 Thread Edwina Taborsky
, evolving...and there is no 'final truth'. Edwina On Mon 22/07/19 10:42 AM , John F Sowa s...@bestweb.net sent: On 7/22/2019 8:13 AM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: > That's why I assert that there can be no 'Final Interpretant' and no > ultimate Truth - not from ignorance bu

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] On-line Symposium on Robert Lane's Peirce on Realism and Idealis

2019-07-22 Thread Edwina Taborsky
exity of the interactions and data. Edwina On Sun 21/07/19 10:10 PM , John F Sowa s...@bestweb.net sent: On 7/21/2019 9:37 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: > I consider that 'Truth' is a goal that attempts to connect the DO and > the Interpretants, BUT - it is also a reality that it not

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] On-line Symposium on Robert Lane's Peirce on Realism and Idealis

2019-07-21 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }The outline by JAS is indeed, an outline of the basic infrastructure of Peircean semiosis - in its reality as a continuous process of 'formation' and 'interpretation. I have a problem, however, with the notion of Truth

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Guidelines for scholarship

2019-07-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } John, list 1] ET > There is absolutely nothing in my outline that can't be found in Peirce. JOHN: I sympathize with ET on this point. But I'd like to see any such outline, diagram, text, or harmonization posted online.

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Guidelines for scholarship (was On-line Symposium...

2019-07-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Jon, list There is absolutely nothing in my outline that can't be found in Peirce. That includes the semiosic process of DO-IO-R-II-DI-FI and the three categorical modes and their 'genuine/degenerate

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Guidelines for scholarship (was On-line Symposium...

2019-07-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Gene - an opinion ‘per se’ is ambiguous and therefore irrelevant. An opinion-by-an-expert-in-the-field is similar to a conclusion that is based on evidence and analysis. Very different from an ‘opinion’. Edwina Sent from my iPad > On Jul 17, 2019, at 10:23 PM, Eugene Halton wrote: > > JFS:

[PEIRCE-L] test

2019-07-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Test post - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The functionality of Peircean semiosis

2019-07-15 Thread Edwina Taborsky
l variable, rather a species specified BY IT’S QUALISIGNS.. > > With regard to: > >> Second - I’ve no idea what ‘ontological status within natural philosophy’ >> means. > > > In my opinion, your posts over the roughly two decades of our exchanges, > fully c

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The functionality of Peircean semiosis

2019-07-15 Thread Edwina Taborsky
- I’ve no idea what ‘ontological status within natural philosophy’ means. Edwina Sent from my iPad > On Jul 15, 2019, at 2:29 PM, Jerry LR Chandler > wrote: > > List: > >> On Jul 15, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Edwina Taborsky >> wrote: >> >>>> Th

[PEIRCE-L] Realism and Idealism

2019-07-08 Thread Edwina Taborsky
One can get trapped in terminology! My own view is that the Final Interpretant is an existent not a reality. If one defines it as a 'reality', then, to me, this suggests an a priori determination of its nature...which will be 'eventually articulated as an existent'. That denies

Re: Aw: [PEIRCE-L] The functionality of Peircean semeiosis

2019-06-27 Thread Edwina Taborsky
ni 2019 um 17:37 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" wrote: My interest, as I've often explained, is not in terminology but in examining how the Peircean semeiosic analytic infrastructure can be used to examine and explain what is going on in the real world: the physico-chem

Re: Aw: [PEIRCE-L] The functionality of Peircean semeiosis

2019-06-27 Thread Edwina Taborsky
ticipatory and intentional, is it not only internal, but external too? Or, in better terms, both immanent and transcendent?Best, Helmut 27. Juni 2019 um 17:37 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" wrote: My interest, as I've often explained, is not in terminology but in examining how th

[PEIRCE-L] The functionality of Peircean semeiosis

2019-06-27 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }My interest, as I've often explained, is not in terminology but in examining how the Peircean semeiosic analytic infrastructure can be used to examine and explain what is going on in the real world: the physico-chemical,

Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Talking about Peirce's theory of research

2019-06-24 Thread Edwina Taborsky
at pigs do have knowledge. Regards, Jon S. On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 4:35 PM Edwina Taborsky < tabor...@primus.ca [1]> wrote: JAS, list I disagree. An argument that is, it itself, fallacious, as I suggest yours was, cannot be 'supported by a better argument' - since, as I

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Talking about Peirce's theory of research

2019-06-24 Thread Edwina Taborsky
[2] On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:44 PM Edwina Taborsky < tabor...@primus.ca [3]> wrote: JAS, list I disagree with your comment: "If someone disagrees with what I post on the List--whether a particular reading of Peirce's words, or my own suggestion "inspire

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Unexplained phenomena (was Talking about...

2019-06-24 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }John, list Perhaps I'm more cynical or sceptical or...but I have my doubts about our daily opinions having been verified and tested. After all - the belief that 'evil spirits' cause illness has been a

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Talking about Peirce's theory of research

2019-06-24 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS, list I disagree with your comment: " If someone disagrees with what I post on the List--whether a particular reading of Peirce's words, or my own suggestion "inspired by" them--then the proper

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Unexplained phenomena (was Talking about...

2019-06-24 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }John, list But how do we get around the fact that most of our beliefs are 'firmly held opinions' without any ability to be factually verified. That is - we live in, not merely a cultural and historical

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Talking about Peirce's theory of research

2019-06-19 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Jon - I don't think you realize what you are doing. There is no need to be so defensive about what others write to you with regard to your comments/interpretations! That's what I said - that if anyone critiques you, you

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Talking about Peirce's theory of research

2019-06-19 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Ben, list Thank you for your post but I don't think it is as simple as you outline. First, if you want to know what Peirce thought, then I think you will have to read the works yourself and make up your

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Semeiosis and Experience

2019-06-16 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }John, list I fully agree and specifically refer to your points 3. "Show how Peirce's writings can clarify, enhance, or correct writings by more recent authors from the 20th and 21st c. 4. Add

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce on the Reality of God (was Trinity, Continuity, and the Cosmotheandric)

2019-06-03 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Agreed - the discussion is based on definitions - and JAS, myself and Peirce and others don't necessarily share the same definition. For example, I disagree with JAS's definition of God as an

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce on the Reality of God (was Trinity, Continuity, and the Cosmotheandric)

2019-06-02 Thread Edwina Taborsky
constitute a rejection of 3ns by denying the Reality of God as Ens necessarium. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USAProfessional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Laymanwww.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt [1] - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt [2] On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 3:53 PM Edwin

Re: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce on the Reality of God (was Trinity, Continuity, and the Cosmotheandric)

2019-06-02 Thread Edwina Taborsky
awareness and consciousness. Scientific mysticism – that’s a very long journey from modern to contemporary positivism. Terry From: Edwina Taborsky Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 4:53 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu; Jon Alan Schmidt Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce on the Reality of God (w

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce on the Reality of God (was Trinity, Continuity, and the Cosmotheandric)

2019-06-02 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS, Gene, list Obviously I disagree with both theological outlines of JAS and Gene. I didn't comment on Gene's outline because I thought it would take too much non-Peircean analysis to explain my view

Re: RE: Re: Trinity, Continuity, and the Cosmotheandric, was, [PEIRCE-L] Re: Continuity of Semeiosis Revisite

2019-05-31 Thread Edwina Taborsky
and/or a Peircean? I feel so much more hopeful and grounded because of your comments. I’ll not post again on this topic. Cheers, Mary Libertin Thanks for the On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 7:16 PM Edwina Taborsky wrote: Gary R, Gene, Mary, list I don't think that the term 'patriarchy' merits the

Re: Re: Re: Trinity, Continuity, and the Cosmotheandric, was, [PEIRCE-L] Re: Continuity of Semeiosis Revisited

2019-05-30 Thread Edwina Taborsky
a patriarchy. Best, Gary Gary Richmond Philosophy and Critical ThinkingCommunication StudiesLaGuardia College of the City University of New York On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 7:16 PM Edwina Taborsky wrote: Gary R, Gene, Mary, list I don't think that the term 'patriarchy' merits the 'we

Re: Re: Trinity, Continuity, and the Cosmotheandric, was, [PEIRCE-L] Re: Continuity of Semeiosis Revisited

2019-05-30 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Gary R, Gene, Mary, list I don't think that the term 'patriarchy' merits the 'we are now superior to this idea' sneers and condescension one sometimes associates with the term. I think one should look at the

Re: Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Semeiosis and Complex Systems (was Continuity of Semeiosis Revisited)

2019-05-29 Thread Edwina Taborsky
28. Mai 2019 um 22:33 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" Jerry Exactly. Facts are facts - and the facts of scientific realism acknowledges that atoms and molecules don't 'exist' randomly all on their own, even in their microscopic existences, but exist

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Semeiosis and Complex Systems (was Continuity of Semeiosis Revisited)

2019-05-28 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Chandler jerry_lr_chand...@icloud.com sent: Edwina: Facts are facts.Scientific realism is what it is. Cheers Jerry On May 28, 2019, at 1:46 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: Jerry, list The statement is true, if one considers that the map is not just a collection of atoms, not just

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Semeiosis and Complex Systems (was Continuity of Semeiosis Revisited)

2019-05-28 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Jerry, list The statement is true, if one considers that the map is not just a collection of atoms, not just a collection of chemical molecules - despite your predilection for so defining the world - but is instead a semiosic entity, composed of a triadic set of

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Classification of the sciences (was Trinity...

2019-05-25 Thread Edwina Taborsky
such a correlation be valid? Edwina On Sat 25/05/19 9:25 AM , Edwina Taborsky tabor...@primus.ca sent: BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }List My concern in these discussions about 'science' and 'truth' is how are we to differentiate between what can

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Classification of the sciences (was Trinity...

2019-05-25 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }List My concern in these discussions about 'science' and 'truth' is how are we to differentiate between what can be empirically justified as truth and what is believed to be truth? Isn't such a distinction

Re: RE: RE: Trinity, Continuity, and the Cosmotheandric, was, [PEIRCE-L] Re: Continuity of Semeiosis Revisited

2019-05-23 Thread Edwina Taborsky
in the “world of fancy.” Gary f. From: Edwina Taborsky Sent: 23-May-19 11:20 To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu; g...@gnusystems.ca Subject: Re: RE: Trinity, Continuity, and the Cosmotheandric, was, [PEIRCE-L] Re: Continuity of Semeiosis Revisited Gary F, list I would

Re: RE: Trinity, Continuity, and the Cosmotheandric, was, [PEIRCE-L] Re: Continuity of Semeiosis Revisited

2019-05-23 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Gary F, list I would like to commend Gary F for his clear and excellent outline of the two worlds in which we live, "we live in two worlds, the world of fact and the world of fancy' [1.321]. As an atheist, my 'fancy' about the nature of the material and empirical world

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