Marc G. Fournier wrote:
But, that isn't our role ... that should be the role of whomever takes
on the role of 'maintainer' for such a monolithic distribution ... its
no more our role to decide that pl/Java is better or worse then pl/J
... our role is to provide that core for everyone else
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
But, that isn't our role ... that should be the role of whomever takes on
the role of 'maintainer' for such a monolithic distribution ... its no more
our role to decide that pl/Java is better or worse then pl/J ... our
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Yeah, but if PostgreSQL decides to endorse one monolithic distro in
the way I described it could give that project hopefully the necessary
lift. And the ultimate goal is obviously that some of those newbies
coming by way of the monolithic distro turn into people that
Yeah, but if PostgreSQL decides to endorse one monolithic distro in
the way I described it could give that project hopefully the necessary
lift. And the ultimate goal is obviously that some of those newbies
coming by way of the monolithic distro turn into people that bring
ressources to the
Tom Lane wrote:
. multiple values clauses for INSERT
Also not done, but if we are willing to accept a limited patch
(ie, not necessarily everything that SQL92 says you can do with
VALUES, but at least the INSERT case) I think it could get done.
I might even volunteer to do it ... but
On 7/13/06, Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
. multiple values clauses for INSERT
I would be very happy to see it accepted.
Same here.
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Tom Lane wrote:
The people who think PL/Java is an essential checklist item undoubtedly
also think JDBC is an essential checklist item, but I'm not seeing any
groundswell of support for putting JDBC back into core. Instead we
expect packagers (like the RPM set) to make
Andrew Dunstan wrote:
I intended to post this anyway as a followup to the conference session,
but I have been spurred to do it nowby the Pl/J(ava) discussion.
Another thought I had today was the ability to attach notes to the web
site. For example a recent commit broke the 7.3 branch for
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:15:04 -0500 (EST)
Kris Jurka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The fact that the JDBC driver requires no compilation for anyone on any
platform is one reason for that. Anyone can visit the website and be
working within minutes with no understanding of the build environment or
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
JDBC is different, in that it doesn't require the PostgreSQL core to
build. It's 100% native Java, and as such, I see benefit to it being
distributed separately.
PLJava does not need PostgreSQL core to build either. It needs:
pgxs + Postgresql libs + PostgreSQL headers
Jonah H. Harris wrote:
But, I can't find anything there to download ... just a pointer to a
Wiki,
which, I'm sorry, would definitely not be my first thought to go look at
for a downloads ...
Hmm, yes... just saw that and it is a bit odd. Thomas, I like the
layout of the Wiki... but could
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
So, let's try ftp ...
ftp.postgresql.org:/pub/projects/gborg/pljava/stable:
Nothing there newer then November 2005:
ftp ls -lt
227 Entering Passive Mode (66,98,251,159,248,251)
150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls.
total 23026
-rw-r--r-- 1 80 1009
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 05:09:32PM -0400, Jonah H. Harris wrote:
On 7/13/06, Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
. multiple values clauses for INSERT
I would be very happy to see it accepted.
Same here.
aolMe, too!/aol
Cheers,
D
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Tom Lane wrote:
Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What is the state of the following items that have been previously
discussed?
. multiple values clauses for INSERT
Also not done, but if we are willing to accept a limited patch
(ie, not necessarily everything that SQL92 says you can
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
Wouldn't that be the job of the platform providers? Certainly I would
expect NetBSD to make it available as a package, both source and
binary, on every platform they support as they do for the thousands of
other packages they deal with.
Well
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Thomas Hallgren wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
So, let's try ftp ...
ftp.postgresql.org:/pub/projects/gborg/pljava/stable:
Nothing there newer then November 2005:
ftp ls -lt
227 Entering Passive Mode (66,98,251,159,248,251)
150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Bort, Paul wrote:
Does PL/Java really have to be in core to be tested in the build farm?
Could the build farm code be enhanced to test non-core stuff? (I like
the idea of a separate status 'light' for non-core.)
Andrew posted about his desires for the future of the
Jonah H. Harris wrote:
Because, the fact is that it's a PITA and many people don't even go
far enough to look. If major components of PostgreSQL were included
in the core, it would make it much easier for people; especially those
familiar with commercial-class database systems.
Those
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Kris Jurka wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
Wouldn't that be the job of the platform providers? Certainly I would
expect NetBSD to make it available as a package, both source and
binary, on every platform they support as they do for the thousands of
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
How would I go about taking advantage of that? And who did the 1.2.0
upload? I certainly didn't.
There is alot more then then just 1.2.0 ... check out the FTP site ...
As for taking advantage of that ... upload files to the file section
in *either* gborg or pgfoundry,
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Rod Taylor wrote:
A slight restructuring of the FTP tree should probably be made. It's
currently very easy to find the main pgsql, pgadmin and odbc components.
Finding pl/java (what the heck is that gborg
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Thomas Hallgren wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
How would I go about taking advantage of that? And who did the 1.2.0
upload? I certainly didn't.
There is alot more then then just 1.2.0 ... check out the FTP site ...
As for taking advantage of that ... upload files to the
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
I'm confused here ... has been on gborg for several weeks, but only
available through the wiki ...
On: http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/pljava/projdisplay.php ... I
can't find any way of downloading 1.3.0 (or, older releases even) ...
have you been uploading, but
Jonah H. Harris wrote:
True. Then maybe we should just all work together to make a
distribution suggestion to packagers of the major components and their
versions. That way the packagers at least have a good idea of what we
believe is good-to-go with X version of PostgreSQL.
Which operating
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:54:19 -0300 (ADT)
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well NetBSD doesn't offer pl/java now so I'm not sure what point you are
trying to make. Sure it would be nice if every OS provided every version
of
every package, but when they don't what are you going
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Were trying man :) I have people building for most major distributions
at this point. We should have FreeBSD soon, as well as MacOSX.
How is this different (or better) than what is already in FreeBSD ports?
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Marc G. Fournier wrote:
... the only reason 'NetBSD doesn't offer pl/java now' is because nobody
a) is using it under NetBSD or b) submitted a port to their system
Should be fairly straight forward if the PostgreSQL SDK and gcj 4.0 or later is installed.
Download the PL/Java source tarball,
Phil Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've recently migrated one of my databases to using veil. This involved
creating a 'private' schema and moving all tables to it.
...
In doing so, I found to my extreme displeasure that although the
database continues to function flawlessly, I can no longer
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
whereas PostgreSQL is continuously complaing that
MySQL is inferior yet way more popular. Maybe MySQL's popularity is not
even PostgreSQL's goal, but I am sure a bit more would be welcome.
Does MySQL have a monolithic distribution?
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:54:19 -0300 (ADT)
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well NetBSD doesn't offer pl/java now so I'm not sure what point you are
trying to make. Sure it would be nice if every OS provided every version of
every package,
Kris Jurka wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Tom Lane wrote:
The people who think PL/Java is an essential checklist item
undoubtedly also think JDBC is an essential checklist item, but I'm
not seeing any groundswell of support for putting JDBC back into
core. Instead we expect packagers
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Thomas Hallgren wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
I'm confused here ... has been on gborg for several weeks, but only
available through the wiki ...
On: http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/pljava/projdisplay.php ... I can't
find any way of downloading 1.3.0 (or, older
Andrew Dunstan wrote:
. MERGE (at least in PK case)
I think that died after we figured out that it didn't do the sort of
UPDATE-else-INSERT thing that people wanted out of it.
. multiple values clauses for INSERT
Susanne Ebrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] was last heard to work on
it. Updates,
Hey JD, I notice that we don't have a port for plphp either ... if one
of your guys wants to create one, I can get it committed ...
DarcyB is supposed to be handling that :)
Joshua D. Drake
Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Chris Browne wrote:
kleptog@svana.org (Martijn van Oosterhout) writes:
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 01:26:30PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
The right way to proceed is what was mentioned in another message:
work harder at educating packagers about which non-core projects
are worth
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
But Thomas, that means finding someone willing to do the work to build
the port ... :)
PL/java should be very easy to port. In fact, I'm not sure any specific porting is needed.
There might be some minor makefile quirk (that is what has bitten me on other platforms). I
I understand that we have an issue, with Slony-I, concerning the new
standards_conforming_strings option in 8.2.
Slony-I uses the legacy quoting conventions, which, such as it is,
is fine.
If a particular server is set to standards_conforming_strings=on, this
will presumably lead to certain bits
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Were trying man :) I have people building for most major distributions
at this point. We should have FreeBSD soon, as well as MacOSX.
How is this different (or better) than what is already in FreeBSD ports?
There is no functional difference. It
On Thursday 13 July 2006 15:39, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Aside from obviously the big issue of who maintains all the pgfoundry
stuff, I also think that the PostgreSQL family would benefit from a
distribution that is more
Hi,
On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 15:33 -0400, Chris Browne wrote:
If we have an interestingly large set of packages at pgFoundry that
are that RPMable, then they *will* come.
Personally I am interested in building all RPMable PostgreSQL related
projects. Currently I do packaging for PostgreSQL,
I believe it was Lukas who mentioned elsewhere, this is not a vendor nuetral
project. I actually am already working on a adding a list of os/package
options to the download page based on other feedback, are people comfortable
allowing mammothpostgresql to go on that list? (I wouldn't be
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Most people who run FreeBSD have no need for Mammoth, until possibly
they want to upgrade via ports to a new version of PostgreSQL but they
don't want to upgrade FreeBSD.
'k, up to now, you had me ... but what does upgrading to a new version of
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Thomas Hallgren wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
But Thomas, that means finding someone willing to do the work to build the
port ... :)
PL/java should be very easy to port. In fact, I'm not sure any specific
porting is needed. There might be some minor makefile quirk
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
whereas PostgreSQL is continuously complaing that
MySQL is inferior yet way more popular. Maybe MySQL's popularity is not
even PostgreSQL's goal, but I am sure a bit more would be welcome.
Does MySQL have a monolithic
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Most people who run FreeBSD have no need for Mammoth, until possibly
they want to upgrade via ports to a new version of PostgreSQL but they
don't want to upgrade FreeBSD.
'k, up to now, you had me ... but what does
I believe it was Lukas who mentioned elsewhere, this is not a vendor
nuetral
project. I actually am already working on a adding a list of os/package
options to the download page based on other feedback, are people
comfortable
allowing mammothpostgresql to go on that list? (I wouldn't be
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Satoshi Nagayasu wrote:
However, several extensions, such as pl/java, strongly depend on the
backend internal functions and arguments. If they are suddenly changed,
the extension XX couldn't be compiled anymore, and the users will waste
their time.
There are several
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Jonah H. Harris wrote:
On 7/13/06, Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
'k, but, again, this comes to someone (you?) stepping forward and
dedicating the time/energy to developing a 'mega distribution', and being
willing to provide support for it
True. Then maybe we
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Second, its assuming that Thomas, or any other pl/java developer,
*isn't* going to watching for any changes to the API fairly closely,
considering they know it does happen, and, therefore, won't make a
change to their development code to accommodate that when the time
* Peter Eisentraut ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Andrew Dunstan wrote:
. MERGE (at least in PK case)
I think that died after we figured out that it didn't do the sort of
UPDATE-else-INSERT thing that people wanted out of it.
I agree that it's probably not going to happen for 8.2 but I
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Andrew Dunstan wrote:
Tom Lane wrote:
The right way to proceed is what was mentioned in another message: work
harder at educating packagers about which non-core projects are worth
including in their packages. I have to confess contributing to the
problem, as I'm not
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Andrew Dunstan wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Second, its assuming that Thomas, or any other pl/java developer, *isn't*
going to watching for any changes to the API fairly closely, considering
they know it does happen, and, therefore, won't make a change to their
On 7/13/06, Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree that it's probably not going to happen for 8.2 but I certainly
have uses for the SQL spec's definition of MERGE (table-level instead of
the individual-tuple case). I'd like to see the individual-tuple
UPSERT/REPLACE issue handled as
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Jonah H. Harris wrote:
On 7/13/06, Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is really the whole issue right here: you want a monolithic core
distribution. I cannot begin to list the number of things wrong with
that approach, but suffice it to say that that's not the way
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Andrew Dunstan wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Second, its assuming that Thomas, or any other pl/java developer,
*isn't* going to watching for any changes to the API fairly closely,
considering they know it does happen, and, therefore, won't make
Hi Beth,
Beth Jen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Right now, the distinct clause adds its targets to the sort clause list when
it is parsed.
Yeah, the DISTINCT/DISTINCT ON implementation is currently rather
tightly tied to sorting :-(. This is ancient code and badly in need of
redesign, but it's
Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Quite so. That's why buildfarm for pl/java will be important when I can
get it done.
+1 --- the important point about an arrangement like that is that it'll
be clear from the buildfarm results that pljava is broken, and not the
whole system. (Contrast
On 7/13/06, Bernd Helmle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--On Mittwoch, Juli 12, 2006 20:58:08 -0500 Jaime Casanova
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if nobody step up i can do the list.
i think this is the last patch that he post:
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2006-03/msg00586.php
The
I'm disappointed.
Can you point out past discussion for this?
--
Tatsuo Ishii
SRA OSS, Inc. Japan
Mario Weilguni wrote:
Will this patch make it into 8.2?
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-patches/2004-12/msg00228.php
It's a really nice feature, would be extremly useful with tools
Tom Lane wrote:
Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Quite so. That's why buildfarm for pl/java will be important when I can
get it done.
+1 --- the important point about an arrangement like that is that it'll
be clear from the buildfarm results that pljava is broken, and not the
Kris Jurka [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The attached patch makes the tree build for me again after the recent
include changes. This patch still violates the postgres.h before all
system headers rule and I'm still not sure what changed that broke
everything, but if people need to get work done
Tom Lane wrote:
Kris Jurka [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The attached patch makes the tree build for me again after the recent
include changes. This patch still violates the postgres.h before all
system headers rule and I'm still not sure what changed that broke
everything, but if people
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Tom Lane wrote:
I think that Bruce thought that math.h defines INT_MAX and related
symbols, whereas the spec is perfectly clear that they're in
limits.h. However, that's where they are on my machines, and yet CVS
tip is not failing for me. I'm not clear why not... What
Hi.
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Katsuhiko Okano wrote:
I suspected conflict of BufMappingLock.
but, collected results are seen,
occurrence of CSStorm and the increase of BufMappingLock counts
seem not to correspond.
Instead, SubtransControlLock and SubTrans were increasing.
I do not
Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Patch applied. Thanks.
I suspect the point was that limits.h is needed *instead of* math.h,
not *in addition to*. How many of those headers had math.h before?
regards, tom lane
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