Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 12, Issue 58
The reason the high bidder is also the 2nd highest bidder is because the reserve was $4000 and the highest previous bid was $3500(ish). Either way, it's too much money for a Vic V... mahogany or not... Don From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 12, Issue 58 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 19:07:48 + Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Re: [phonolist] re RARE Victor V (The Fifth) Mahogany (Antique Phonograph List) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:55:37 -0400 From: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com, 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] re RARE Victor V (The Fifth) Mahogany Message-ID: mailman.124.1430156245.137.phon...@oldcrank.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Something is really wrong here. Look at the bidding. The winning bidder is also the second highest bidder, which shouldn?t have happened ? the bid at $3,500 was sufficient. And that second highest bid didn?t need to be that high ? it only needed to be slightly higher than $2,000 ? I think the bidding increment is $100 at that level. Something is very, very peculiar! Merle From: phonol...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 3:00 AM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [phonolist] re RARE Victor V (The Fifth) Mahogany Nice to see the hobby still commands high dollar! On Monday, April 20, 2015 7:21 AM, Mario Frazzetto ma...@frazzetto.me mailto:ma...@frazzetto.me [phonolist] phonol...@yahoogroups.com mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi All, Just in case you missed it. I recently picked up an exceptionally rare Victor The Fifth in Mahogany. As it doesn?t fit in with my collection I have put it up on eBay for sale. http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/121628184103? Cheers, Mario __._,_.___ _ Posted by: Scott Scheidt s-sche...@sbcglobal.net mailto:s-sche...@sbcglobal.net _ https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/phonolist/conversations/messages/40191;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbG42OXIwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzQwMTkxBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTQzMDAzMTc5NA--?act=replymessageNum=40191 Reply via web post ? mailto:s-sche...@sbcglobal.net?subject=Re%3A%20%5Bphonolist%5D%20re%20RARE%20Victor%20V%20%28The%20Fifth%29%20Mahogany Reply to sender ? mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5Bphonolist%5D%20re%20RARE%20Victor%20V%20%28The%20Fifth%29%20Mahogany Reply to group ? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/phonolist/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJlaGs0aWE4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQzMDAzMTc5NA-- Start a New Topic ? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/phonolist/conversations/topics/40188;_ylc=X3oDMTM2bWFwbm01BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzQwMTkxBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQzMDAzMTc5NAR0cGNJZAM0MDE4OA-- Messages in this topic (2) https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/phonolist/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJla2xtamp2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTQzMDAzMTc5NA-- Visit Your Group https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcTVnMjA3BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxNDMwMDMxNzk0 ? https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html Privacy ? mailto:phonolist-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe Unsubscribe ? https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ Terms of Use . http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=1221313/grpspId=1705062282/msgId=40191/stime=1430031794 http://y.analytics.yahoo.com/fpc.pl?ywarid=515FB27823A7407Ea=10001310322279js=noresp=img __,_._,___ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20150427/df2a961e/attachment-0001.html -- ___ Phono-L
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 12, Issue 58
- Original Message - The reason the high bidder is also the 2nd highest bidder is because the reserve was $4000 and the highest previous bid was $3500(ish). Either way, it's too much money for a Vic V... mahogany or not... Don Not to that particular bidder (and I know who it is ) One cannot say how much is too much for anyone but himself. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 11, Issue 174
I'm really enjoying reading the responses on this topic – scrolling down through all of the untrimmed posts on a phone, not so much though. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 11, Issue 86
This is real. You have to search around on ebay to find the spot. Under account I found a site which said to first check ANY site to see if they're using a safer NEWER protocol, BEFORE you change passwords. -Original Message- From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 3:00 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 11, Issue 86 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Security Breach at ebay (Rich) 2. Re: Security Breach at ebay (Rich) 3. My membership will be deleted due to excessive bounces?? (john robles) 4. Re: Security Breach at ebay (Rich) 5. Re: Security Breach at ebay (mobility scooters) 6. Edison Standard question - ebay (a...@popyrus.com) 7. Re: Security Breach at ebay (Ron L'Herault) 8. Re: Edison Standard question - ebay (a...@popyrus.com) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 22:56:08 -0500 From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Security Breach at ebay Message-ID: 537d7558.3020...@octoxol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed This is an eBay detailed announcement. http://www.ebayinc.com/in_the_news/story/faq-ebay-password-change This is the general announcement. http://announcements.ebay.com/2014/05/ebay-inc-to-ask-ebay-users-to-change-passwords/ The first link explains what and how it was compromised. This is not a major loss of data it is only the potential unauthorized access of a database. tempest in a tea cup. On 05/21/2014 10:25 PM, Zonophone2006 wrote: It's all over the news Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2014, at 11:13 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: This looks suspiciously like a phishing attempt or something...I have no notification on my ebay account about any sort of breach of security. And I am always afraid to click a link in an email that warns of a breach! Anyone else heard about this?? Ebay would notify its members, I'm sure. John Robles On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:47 PM, Kat Hall kathal...@gmail.com wrote: WARNING - SECURITY BREACH! Earlier today, eBay announced that a cyber attack carried out three months ago has compromised customer data, and the company urged 145 million users of its online commerce platform to change their passwords in order to protect their personal information. While they claim the files stolen did not contain financial information including credit and debit card numbers you can never be too safe so we strongly urge you to change your password as well if you use the site. Furthermore, eBay stated it found no evidence of unauthorized access to financial information at its PayPal payments subsidiary, which encrypts and stores its data separately. These security breaches and cyber attacks seem to be happening more and more and it's important that you are aware of each one so as to protect yourself and your personal information if you use any and all affected sites and services. For more info see here: http://www.cnet.com/news/ebay-hacked-requests-all-users-change-passwords/ From the Desk of Kat Hall Executive Assistant to Ms. Smith (Publisher) Champagne Book Group Review Coordinator Author Liaison www.champagnebooks.com www.carnalpassions.com www.burstbooks.ca ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 23:05:38 -0500 From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Security Breach at ebay Message-ID: 537d7792.9090...@octoxol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The delayed notification implies that there is no evidence of bulk loss of data. Some unauthorized individual accessed the database. You are supposed to change all passwords at least monthly anyway and use a different one on each site. -- this will happen when elephants fly and the sun rises in the west. On 05/21/2014 10:35 PM, Jim Nichol wrote: I have to admit that the email below looks suspicious. But I think the story is true. Like you, I would NEVER click on a link in an email to logon somewhere. But I did manually go to
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 248
You and everyone else, Brantley! I, too, have been searching for this one. The last one that came up on eBay sold for over $300 - which out bid me. Cheers! Will (Chicago, IL) On Nov 24, 2013, at 2:00 PM, phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org wrote: Hi! Happy holidays to all.? Does anyone in this group have a nice copy of Midnight, The Stars, and You on 78 rpm?? Please let me know. Thanks! Brantley ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 168
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Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 166
I would contact Bryan Wright. He found a company in the Netherlands that pressed 78s for him (he recorded Bix Beiderbecke's piano solos). Good luck! Will William Berndt On Aug 15, 2013, at 2:00 PM, phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org wrote: Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. urgent recording request (Bob Maffit) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:59:27 -0600 From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] urgent recording request Message-ID: 001a01ce9952$b2c4c110$184e4330$@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Phono folks: Cutting to the chase: My daughter just called and wanted to know if she could get a 78 recorded to use on a windup on her wedding August 31st! Any referrals or willingness to do such on your part, if possible, would be appreciated. I think they could send a MP3 sound file to cut from, or something. I know how *** of a request, this is , however *** Thanks Bob -- ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 166 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono L
I will give more details later, all R and S reproducer tops were held to the shoe adapter via 3 1-64 screws, same thread as the large top hinge block. From: tom...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 21:42:31 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono L I recently purchased an Edison Model R reproducer on e-bay to replace the one that I had to sell several years ago. The one that I owned before was a pressed fit (front and back). This one has three very small screws on the back. Will someone please tell me if the model R's were ever made this way or have I accidentally purchased a FrankenR? I have a few photos available if anyone would like to see them. The reproducer plays, but frankly, my C reproducers are much louder than this R. It seems to be in need of a rebuild. Thank you. Tom ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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I recently purchased an Edison Model R reproducer on e-bay to replace the one that I had to sell several years ago. The one that I owned before was a pressed fit (front and back). This one has three very small screws on the back. Will someone please tell me if the model R's were ever made this way or have I accidentally purchased a FrankenR? I have a few photos available if anyone would like to see them. The reproducer plays, but frankly, my C reproducers are much louder than this R. It seems to be in need of a rebuild. Thank you. Tom ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 137
Hello out there! Rich, in particular. You mentioned Steve Farmer. I would like the contact info to send some parts out to get re- nickeled. The guy I have tried doesn’t do a great job. He puts the nickel on so heavy that the parts don’t fit back together. A phone number or address would be great. Thank you all!!! Gayle Someone mentioned Steve Far Sent from Windows Mail From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Sent: June 26, 2013 7:48 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 137 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Ron L'Herault) 2. Victor I or E elbow (harvey kravitz) 3. Re: Top After Market Othrophonic Reproducers (DanKj) 4. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Arvin Casas) 5. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Rich) 6. Need Victor V (or D or VI) back bracket (Nicholas Williams) 7. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Arvin Casas) 8. Re: Top After Market Othrophonic Reproducers (Arvin Casas) 9. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Rich) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:49:39 -0400 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations? Message-ID: 005401ce7217$ce019eb0$6a04dc10$@edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Seems to me Caswell sells/sold a real gold plate kit too. The problem with Gold, and nickel too, but not as bad, is that it is hard to match gold colors. A little difference in karat amount or a few different other chemicals and you have a different gold color, greener, yellower, whatever. Have you tried googling home electroplating kits or brush plating kits? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Casas Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:50 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations? Hello All, I hope your summers have all started off well! I was wondering if any of you had any recommendations for home plating? (No, that is not some variation on getting on base on a first date, but in regards to metal plate finishing as can be done at home.) Always the willing guinea pig for our hobby, I tried the Caswell Plug N' Plate system and had some success with their Nickel product, but only so-so success with their faux Gold. (When I tried contacting their customer service to troubleshoot, the owner came off as a bit emotionally incendiary in his replies to a newbie, so I decided it's not worth me continuing to experiment or use their products.) Are there any other possible approaches or solutions? I have a few gold plated pieces that have suffered some damage over the years prior to my coming into them, and I was hoping, short of sending them out (which I believe is priced per pound), to see if there was something I could try at home on the few pieces that I have that need restoration / preservation. I recall reading about home-brewed tank solutions (mixing gold chloride etc.,. using batteries), but can't recall where (or if they worked). Any recommendations? Thanks! Arvin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 20:39:00 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I or E elbow Message-ID: 1372217940.40538.yahoomail...@web161204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am looking for a decent Victor I or E elbow. Please contact me off list. Harvey Kravitz -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 00:17:48 -0400 From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Top After Market Othrophonic Reproducers Message-ID: C6A64A1737F94C6BBFF03EAC5FB69F32@moms Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Brunswick used excellent reproducers on their Panatrope acoustic models; of all my portables, the Brunswick sounds best. I don't know the model name or number : https://www.box.com/s/zjxyhfwvzh6asqk0cw65 - Original Message - From: Arvin Casas it...@arvincasas.com
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 137
760-726-7402 Farmerized1 -at- Juno.com On 06/26/2013 09:23 AM, GAYLE VOISINE, BECKY VOISINE wrote: Hello out there! Rich, in particular. You mentioned Steve Farmer. I would like the contact info to send some parts out to get re- nickeled. The guy I have tried doesn’t do a great job. He puts the nickel on so heavy that the parts don’t fit back together. A phone number or address would be great. Thank you all!!! Gayle Someone mentioned Steve Far Sent from Windows Mail From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Sent: June 26, 2013 7:48 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 137 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Ron L'Herault) 2. Victor I or E elbow (harvey kravitz) 3. Re: Top After Market Othrophonic Reproducers (DanKj) 4. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Arvin Casas) 5. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Rich) 6. Need Victor V (or D or VI) back bracket (Nicholas Williams) 7. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Arvin Casas) 8. Re: Top After Market Othrophonic Reproducers (Arvin Casas) 9. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Rich) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:49:39 -0400 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations? Message-ID: 005401ce7217$ce019eb0$6a04dc10$@edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Seems to me Caswell sells/sold a real gold plate kit too. The problem with Gold, and nickel too, but not as bad, is that it is hard to match gold colors. A little difference in karat amount or a few different other chemicals and you have a different gold color, greener, yellower, whatever. Have you tried googling home electroplating kits or brush plating kits? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Casas Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:50 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations? Hello All, I hope your summers have all started off well! I was wondering if any of you had any recommendations for home plating? (No, that is not some variation on getting on base on a first date, but in regards to metal plate finishing as can be done at home.) Always the willing guinea pig for our hobby, I tried the Caswell Plug N' Plate system and had some success with their Nickel product, but only so-so success with their faux Gold. (When I tried contacting their customer service to troubleshoot, the owner came off as a bit emotionally incendiary in his replies to a newbie, so I decided it's not worth me continuing to experiment or use their products.) Are there any other possible approaches or solutions? I have a few gold plated pieces that have suffered some damage over the years prior to my coming into them, and I was hoping, short of sending them out (which I believe is priced per pound), to see if there was something I could try at home on the few pieces that I have that need restoration / preservation. I recall reading about home-brewed tank solutions (mixing gold chloride etc.,. using batteries), but can't recall where (or if they worked). Any recommendations? Thanks! Arvin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 20:39:00 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I or E elbow Message-ID: 1372217940.40538.yahoomail...@web161204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am looking for a decent Victor I or E elbow. Please contact me off list. Harvey Kravitz -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 00:17:48 -0400 From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Top After Market Othrophonic Reproducers Message-ID: C6A64A1737F94C6BBFF03EAC5FB69F32@moms Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Brunswick used excellent reproducers on their Panatrope acoustic models; of all my portables, the Brunswick sounds best. I don't know the model name or number
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 134
Truly the pinacle of absurdity! - Original Message - From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 134 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Edison Beer Bottle Player (Loran Hughes) 2. Re: Edison Beer Bottle Player (Vinyl Visions) 3. Re: Edison Beer Bottle Player (Loran Hughes) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:21:22 -0700 From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Beer Bottle Player Message-ID: 828565e5-0e58-4039-a6ba-c1c998586...@oldcrank.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Combining two of my hobbies :) http://www.electronicproducts.com/Analog_Mixed_Signal_ICs/Amplifiers/How_Beck_s_turned_an_ordinary_beer_bottle_into_a_phonograph.aspx Regards, Loran -- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 12:52:30 -0400 From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Beer Bottle Player Message-ID: bay177-w10a0f4075c9882a3bcf1709e...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 That is an interesting idea... From: lo...@oldcrank.com Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:21:22 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Beer Bottle Player Combining two of my hobbies :) http://www.electronicproducts.com/Analog_Mixed_Signal_ICs/Amplifiers/How_Beck_s_turned_an_ordinary_beer_bottle_into_a_phonograph.aspx Regards, Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 10:12:18 -0700 From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Beer Bottle Player Message-ID: 4c638d54-c9d7-439e-873a-1991743a4...@oldcrank.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I started to build one of these? my problem is that I never seem to get past making the blanks. On Jun 22, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: That is an interesting idea... From: lo...@oldcrank.com Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:21:22 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Beer Bottle Player Combining two of my hobbies :) http://www.electronicproducts.com/Analog_Mixed_Signal_ICs/Amplifiers/How_Beck_s_turned_an_ordinary_beer_bottle_into_a_phonograph.aspx Regards, Loran -- ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 134 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 9, Issue 310
Izzi rigging and moving from NJ...Used them in work. They have trucks moving across country all the time for a pick up -Original Message- From: phono-l-request phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 3:07 pm Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 9, Issue 310 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Transport needed from Wisconsin to NY (Alan Wohl) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 11:30:16 -0500 From: Alan Wohl bubb...@optonline.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Transport needed from Wisconsin to NY Message-ID: 97b336d2-227f-45c1-a524-70cbe24e5...@optonline.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey , Anybody know of a reliable company or person who can pick up and deliver a large piece 5' x 4' x 21 from Wisconsin to Long Island, NY. ASAP Every company I find has a whole list of complaints on the web. thanks in advance, Al -- ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 9, Issue 310 *** ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Alan, I have had good results with Antique Transport out of Phili, I have used several others with differing, sometimes very bad results. The big players like SanFillipo use John Wrasse to move their Violanos and such but he may no longer be driving, I think he went into the piano restoration side of the business. For ASAP you may need to make the trip yourself, Antique Transport makes the move in batches so it might be a month or two from pickup to delivery. Mark Sent from my iPad On Dec 9, 2012, at 3:38 PM, tnn...@aol.com wrote: Izzi rigging and moving from NJ...Used them in work. They have trucks moving across country all the time for a pick up -Original Message- From: phono-l-request phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 3:07 pm Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 9, Issue 310 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Transport needed from Wisconsin to NY (Alan Wohl) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 11:30:16 -0500 From: Alan Wohl bubb...@optonline.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Transport needed from Wisconsin to NY Message-ID: 97b336d2-227f-45c1-a524-70cbe24e5...@optonline.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey , Anybody know of a reliable company or person who can pick up and deliver a large piece 5' x 4' x 21 from Wisconsin to Long Island, NY. ASAP Every company I find has a whole list of complaints on the web. thanks in advance, Al -- ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 9, Issue 310 *** ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Hello Randy, When I bought my 18 it was also missing the top back, I found one eventually. For many years I used a XIV back of the same vintage and it fit fine although without the fancy veneer and moldings. I returned the back to the 14 before it went to the new owner otherwise I would have been glad to send it to you. Mark . Sent from my iPad On Oct 18, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Bill Feiner bfei...@charter.net wrote: Hi Randy; The opening in the rear of the cabinet is 18 wide and 11 5/8 high. The correct board has the trim on it that matches the rest of the cabinet, but I would be interested in a plain back board until I can find the correct back. Thanks, Bill -Original Message- From: Randy Larson Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:05 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L ad I have one but not sure what model it's from, it's also mahogany, if you send the dimensions, I'll check it. On Oct 18, 2012 10:41 AM, Bill Feiner bfei...@charter.net wrote: Hi; I wanted to post this on Phono-L, this is the first time that I have ever posted. I hope that this is the correct procedure. Victrola XVIII Rear Motor Access Door Needed- I have acquired a Victrola XVIII that is missing the rear door behind the motor. I also need the needle holder. This part can also come from a Victrola XVII, as they are both the same. The rear door however is unique to the XVIII because of the moulding on the door. The dimensions of the opening is 18” wide and 11 5/8'” high. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Bill Feiner ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Bill I checked and its not the right dimensions, sorry. Mine looks to be from a X Sorry, hope you find one Randy On Oct 19, 2012 8:14 AM, Mark markely...@earthlink.net wrote: Hello Randy, When I bought my 18 it was also missing the top back, I found one eventually. For many years I used a XIV back of the same vintage and it fit fine although without the fancy veneer and moldings. I returned the back to the 14 before it went to the new owner otherwise I would have been glad to send it to you. Mark . Sent from my iPad On Oct 18, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Bill Feiner bfei...@charter.net wrote: Hi Randy; The opening in the rear of the cabinet is 18 wide and 11 5/8 high. The correct board has the trim on it that matches the rest of the cabinet, but I would be interested in a plain back board until I can find the correct back. Thanks, Bill -Original Message- From: Randy Larson Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:05 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L ad I have one but not sure what model it's from, it's also mahogany, if you send the dimensions, I'll check it. On Oct 18, 2012 10:41 AM, Bill Feiner bfei...@charter.net wrote: Hi; I wanted to post this on Phono-L, this is the first time that I have ever posted. I hope that this is the correct procedure. Victrola XVIII Rear Motor Access Door Needed- I have acquired a Victrola XVIII that is missing the rear door behind the motor. I also need the needle holder. This part can also come from a Victrola XVII, as they are both the same. The rear door however is unique to the XVIII because of the moulding on the door. The dimensions of the opening is 18” wide and 11 5/8'” high. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Bill Feiner ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Hi; I wanted to post this on Phono-L, this is the first time that I have ever posted. I hope that this is the correct procedure. Victrola XVIII Rear Motor Access Door Needed- I have acquired a Victrola XVIII that is missing the rear door behind the motor. I also need the needle holder. This part can also come from a Victrola XVII, as they are both the same. The rear door however is unique to the XVIII because of the moulding on the door. The dimensions of the opening is 18” wide and 11 5/8'” high. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Bill Feiner ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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I have one but not sure what model it's from, it's also mahogany, if you send the dimensions, I'll check it. On Oct 18, 2012 10:41 AM, Bill Feiner bfei...@charter.net wrote: Hi; I wanted to post this on Phono-L, this is the first time that I have ever posted. I hope that this is the correct procedure. Victrola XVIII Rear Motor Access Door Needed- I have acquired a Victrola XVIII that is missing the rear door behind the motor. I also need the needle holder. This part can also come from a Victrola XVII, as they are both the same. The rear door however is unique to the XVIII because of the moulding on the door. The dimensions of the opening is 18” wide and 11 5/8'” high. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Bill Feiner ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Hi Randy; The opening in the rear of the cabinet is 18 wide and 11 5/8 high. The correct board has the trim on it that matches the rest of the cabinet, but I would be interested in a plain back board until I can find the correct back. Thanks, Bill -Original Message- From: Randy Larson Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:05 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L ad I have one but not sure what model it's from, it's also mahogany, if you send the dimensions, I'll check it. On Oct 18, 2012 10:41 AM, Bill Feiner bfei...@charter.net wrote: Hi; I wanted to post this on Phono-L, this is the first time that I have ever posted. I hope that this is the correct procedure. Victrola XVIII Rear Motor Access Door Needed- I have acquired a Victrola XVIII that is missing the rear door behind the motor. I also need the needle holder. This part can also come from a Victrola XVII, as they are both the same. The rear door however is unique to the XVIII because of the moulding on the door. The dimensions of the opening is 18” wide and 11 5/8'” high. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Bill Feiner ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 9, Issue 147
hi all i think all we are trying to say is AMERICAN RESTORATION is a business and tv show and they are making lots of money on people who do know know who to turn to to repair their items and the cost may not overcome the benefit its like pawn brokers and their experts its all entertainment zono -Original Message- From: GAYLE VOISINE, BECKY VOISINE bjvois...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Jun 15, 2012 11:54 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 9, Issue 147 In response to a lot of you dought sayers on the restoration of the diamond disc phono. I think , for one it is beter to restore than to junk! I like that they replaced the veneer, rather than try to patch the existing ,and look like Shit , like a lot of restorations look like. I fix and restore a lot of radios , phonographs and some juke boxes for myself and freinds, and I don't do shitty work. I won't do anything that I wouldn't want for myself, as far as finished quality. I get some terrible stuff from supposedly restorers who are on registered websites , that I would be ashamed to ask money for.You people need to get a life and not criticise people who are trying to keep something going on for others to enjoy instead of destroy , or tear apart and sell in pieces rather than sell as good working machine. I realize that there are alot of machines that are good for nothing but parts. I believe that we should try to keep thees machines going for eterninty, but they should work and look good not beat up and cobbled up! Stop being like a bunch of old women at a quilting bee, bitching about old men! Thank you! Mr. Voisine. From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 9, Issue 147 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:00:01 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. American restoration. Edison Chippandale restoration (Tom Jordan) 2. Re: American restoration. Edison Chippandale restoration (Jim Nichol) 3. Re: American restoration. Edison Chippendale restoration (DanKj) 4. Re: American restoration. Edison Chippandale restoration (zonophone2...@aol.com) 5. Re: American restoration. Edison Chippendale restoration (bruce78...@comcast.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:25:31 -0500 From: Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] American restoration. Edison Chippandale restoration Message-ID: blu0-smtp193affa44c217f94dee997bd9...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So I was watching American Restoration tonight and a guy brought in an Edison C-19 Chippendale phonograph to be restored. Settled upon price for the restoration, $4,500.00. Hmmm... Tom -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:36:34 -0400 From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] American restoration. Edison Chippandale restoration Message-ID: 2e4ce769-50c7-490a-9aa3-464e45be0...@fuse.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How did it look after it was restored? Jim On Jun 13, 2012, at 11:25 PM, Tom Jordan wrote: So I was watching American Restoration tonight and a guy brought in an Edison C-19 Chippendale phonograph to be restored. Settled upon price for the restoration, $4,500.00. Hmmm... Tom -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:34:54 -0400 From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] American restoration. Edison Chippendale restoration Message-ID: 4694907304644AB1B139DBF72F77F888@moms Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Ack. Last time I saw them touch a phono, they soaked the motor in industrial de-greaser, never opened the spring case, and did nothing with the reproducer. They didn't even understand that it was run by a spring - they said it was a flywheel. To top it all, the horn got a hideous paint job that only a clown could love! - Original Message - From: Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:25 PM Subject: [Phono-L] American restoration. Edison Chippendale restoration
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 9, Issue 147
The REAL PROBLEM with this restoration, is not that the machine was saved from being scrapped, but the ABSURD cost of the restoration. Sure, they did a good job, but it's a relatively common machine that you could find an excellent original example of for $1,000 or less. Go to any phonograph show with $4,500 in cash and you can come home with something that This is the equivalent of spending $50,000 to restore a car that is ultimately worth $10,000 in restored condition... but maybe sentimental value overrides the decision, if it was passed down in their family. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: zonophone2...@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 07:31:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 9, Issue 147 hi all i think all we are trying to say is AMERICAN RESTORATION is a business and tv show and they are making lots of money on people who do know know who to turn to to repair their items and the cost may not overcome the benefit its like pawn brokers and their experts its all entertainment zono -Original Message- From: GAYLE VOISINE, BECKY VOISINE bjvois...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Jun 15, 2012 11:54 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 9, Issue 147 In response to a lot of you dought sayers on the restoration of the diamond disc phono. I think , for one it is beter to restore than to junk! I like that they replaced the veneer, rather than try to patch the existing ,and look like Shit , like a lot of restorations look like. I fix and restore a lot of radios , phonographs and some juke boxes for myself and freinds, and I don't do shitty work. I won't do anything that I wouldn't want for myself, as far as finished quality. I get some terrible stuff from supposedly restorers who are on registered websites , that I would be ashamed to ask money for.You people need to get a life and not criticise people who are trying to keep something going on for others to enjoy instead of destroy , or tear apart and sell in pieces rather than sell as good working machine. I realize that there are alot of machines that are good for nothing but parts. I believe that we should try to keep thees machines going for eterninty, but they should work and look good not beat up and cobbled up! Stop being like a bunch of old women at a quilting bee, bitching about old men! Thank you! Mr. Voisine. From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 9, Issue 147 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:00:01 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. American restoration. Edison Chippandale restoration (Tom Jordan) 2. Re: American restoration. Edison Chippandale restoration (Jim Nichol) 3. Re: American restoration. Edison Chippendale restoration (DanKj) 4. Re: American restoration. Edison Chippandale restoration (zonophone2...@aol.com) 5. Re: American restoration. Edison Chippendale restoration (bruce78...@comcast.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:25:31 -0500 From: Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] American restoration. Edison Chippandale restoration Message-ID: blu0-smtp193affa44c217f94dee997bd9...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So I was watching American Restoration tonight and a guy brought in an Edison C-19 Chippendale phonograph to be restored. Settled upon price for the restoration, $4,500.00. Hmmm... Tom -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:36:34 -0400 From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] American restoration. Edison Chippandale restoration Message-ID: 2e4ce769-50c7-490a-9aa3-464e45be0...@fuse.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How did it look after it was restored? Jim On Jun 13, 2012, at 11:25 PM, Tom Jordan wrote: So I was watching American Restoration tonight and a guy brought in an Edison C-19 Chippendale phonograph to be restored. Settled upon price for the restoration, $4,500.00. Hmmm... Tom -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:34:54 -0400
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I finally had a chance to see the Edison Chippendale Diamond Disk on the American Restoration show today. I can't really complain about it. The wood looked awful, and the veneer on top was coming off. They brought in a wood guy who replaced the top veneer and refinished the rest. It looked pretty good on the 13-inch TV I was watching it on. It was a little surprising that they gold plated the turntable and reproducer, but it did look nice. And yes, there was a dark or black turntable felt used (although it was missing in one shot where they were showing off the gold plating). They used solvent and a brush to clean the underneath works. Don't know if any spring or reproducer work was done, but chances are it didn't need much work there. So over all, it made the machine look nice. And besides, it's a Chippendale, so not a rare machine. But Gayle, your message probably contains the only two 4-letter words in the history of this forum! Jim Nichol On Jun 15, 2012, at 11:38 PM, GAYLE VOISINE, BECKY VOISINE wrote: In response to a lot of you dought sayers on the restoration of the diamond disc phono. I think , for one it is beter to restore than to junk! I like that they replaced the veneer, rather than try to patch the existing ,and look like Shit , like a lot of restorations look like. I fix and restore a lot of radios , phonographs and some juke boxes for myself and freinds, and I don't do shitty work. I won't do anything that I wouldn't want for myself, as far as finished quality. I get some terrible stuff from supposedly restorers who are on registered websites , that I would be ashamed to ask money for.You people need to get a life and not criticise people who are trying to keep something going on for others to enjoy instead of destroy , or tear apart and sell in pieces rather than sell as good working machine. I realize that there are alot of machines that are good for nothing but parts. I believe that we should try to keep thees machines going for eterninty, but they should work and look good not beat up and cobbled up! Stop being like a bunch of old women at a quilting bee, bitching about old men! Thank you! Mr. Voisine. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 9, Issue 138
Paint on cylinder record. Remember that the stylis is made of a hard material! If you run the cylinder through, the stylis is considerably harder than any paint ever made.There shouldn't be any possibility that the paint would damage the stylis. I would run it and then clean it with a tooth brusn and a small amount of isopropayl alcohl to remove any loose particles.The isopropyl alcohal will also clean the record.If used sparingly, It makes a great cleaner,and will remove oil and grease etc.. G.Voisine From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 9, Issue 138 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 18:06:16 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. We've Taken An Electronic Hit (keeper...@aol.com) 2. Fw: We've Taken An Electronic Hit (harvey kravitz) 3. Re: Fw: We've Taken An Electronic Hit (Mike Stitt) 4. Re: Newton's Law to prevent hacking (Steven Medved) 5. Re: Fw: We've Taken An Electronic Hit (Steven Medved) 6. Re: Fw: We've Taken An Electronic Hit (Mike Stitt) 7. Re: Newton's Law to prevent hacking (Vinyl Visions) 8. Columbia Serling BI (Jim Keuler) 9. Re: Newton's Law to prevent hacking (Rich) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:18:33 -0400 (EDT) From: keeper...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] We've Taken An Electronic Hit Message-ID: 3509d.11b5fec0.3cfe8...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Either spammers or hackers have gotten into Harvey's, and now Bobby Carver's mailing list. Don't open the attachment, folks! The subject, Re: is a dead give-away that it's not a message from Harvey or Bob. : ) Edwary In a message dated 6/3/2012 6:18:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, steve_nor...@msn.com writes: dish soap diluted in water and a soft toothbrush and brush in the direction of the grooves all around the surface,rinse with tap water and dry with a terry face cloth.It may take 2-3 attempts but should work.Never use a pin! From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com; To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org; Subject: [Phono-L] Paint flecks on a Blue Amberol Sent: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 9:49:35 PM A friend just called me and asked if I knew of a way to get paint flecks off a Blue Amberol cylinder, without damaging it. I was thinking a pin or needle using a magnifying glass to gently dig the flecks out? Playing the cylinder the correct Diamond B reproducer might dislodge some of the flecks, but might not be good for the stylus. I asked if the paint was oil based, and he said he did NOT think it was and thought it was plain house paint. Any ideas? Thanks, Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:44:09 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Fw: We've Taken An Electronic Hit Message-ID: 1338846249.30784.yahoomail...@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi gang, I really don't know what to say of this. I had no idea that this happened. I'm doing a virus check and hope everything will be OK. Harvey Kravitz - Forwarded Message - From: keeper...@aol.com keeper...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 2:18 PM Subject: [Phono-L] We've Taken An Electronic Hit Either spammers or hackers have gotten into Harvey's, and now Bobby? Carver's mailing list.? Don't open the attachment, folks!? The? subject, Re: is a dead give-away that it's not a message from Harvey or? Bob. : ) Edwary In a message dated 6/3/2012 6:18:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,? steve_nor...@msn.com writes: dish soap diluted in water and a soft toothbrush and brush? in the direction of the grooves all around the surface,rinse with tap water? and dry with a terry face cloth.It may take 2-3 attempts but should work.Never? use a pin! From: Dennis Back? back...@yahoo.com;? ? ? ? ? ? ? To: Antique Phonograph List? phono-l@oldcrank.org;? ? ? ?
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 380
Thank You Sir Happy Healthy Joyus New year to You also from william - Original Message - From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 3:00 PM Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 380 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Merry Christmas (harvey kravitz) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:41:23 -0800 (PST) From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Merry Christmas Message-ID: 1324773683.24173.yahoomail...@web161403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Gang, I want to wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy , Prosperous New Year. Harvey Kravitz -- ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 380 *** ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 369
I'm starting to list stuff on ebay again and they will allow cash on pickup as long as you list an alternate electronic payment as well. You have to put contact me in the shipping instructions when you want a local pickup. Don't mention cash in that box though. Most of what I'll be selling is too heavy to ship and maneuver (at least for me). I'm trying to sell 2 heavy Karastan rugs (ger55), and if this listing goes well, I'll start putting Edison records, vintage machines and horns on. They have a new listing policy: it's called FREE for the first 100 items, with an after-sale fee of 9% with the max of $100 (certain categories are excluded and priced higher, like homes, cars, etc.). The listing is more of a form-type, like check-the-boxes...very different for someone who has not sold there in years (me)!! As far as cash: My brother told me to go to your bank (obviously during banking hours) and accept the cash there, so that it can be checked for authenticity. The pen-checker is good, but the bank is safer, because you can deposit at the same time. Naturally this is after the person sees and commits to take your item. I think you'd have to let ebay pull their $100 out of your CC (or paypal?) after the sale, since it's a cash transaction...you might want to check how they handle that. If they found out you sold and did not fork over their fee, you'd get banned or sued!? LOL Ger PS: Ebay had to help me set up this first ad...their whole system has changed s much. But the helper was very good. You can't put cash in the shipping instructions or the system will not accept the listing, although you could put it in the text description. Also, I just got the above info a few days ago. One can double check for accuracy. Lately bureaucratic monster companies seem to be confused, or just too big, with different customer service people saying different, often contradictory things! -Original Message- From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:00 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 369 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. eBay payment options (gregory caringi) 2. Re: eBay payment options (chris...@cox.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 18:09:58 -0500 From: gregory caringi drgr...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] eBay payment options Message-ID: snt127-w52a36c9a34f31d171ef067a7...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I recently sold an item on eBay for over $2000. The item will be picked-up at my home rather than shipped. The buyer has offered to pay cash at the time of pick-up. I searched eBay and I am not sure of what their current policy is concerning cash transactions. Any advice in this matter is appreciated. Thanks. -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 20:24:39 -0500 From: chris...@cox.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay payment options Message-ID: 20111205202439.3MP7M.277794.imail@eastrmwml301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 eBay would rather you used PayPal, so they get a cut of the payment, but they can't forbid local pickup for cash and there would be a huge outcry if they tried. If you are concerned about a stranger coming to your house, set the exchange up in a public place such as a restaurant or your place of work. I can't imagine any other problem (and in fact I just met a buyer today, who came to my office building, and paid me $1,600 in cash for the two items he won). Happy selling! Chris gregory caringi drgr...@msn.com wrote: I recently sold an item on eBay for over $2000. The item will be picked-up at my home rather than shipped. The buyer has offered to pay cash at the time of pick-up. I searched eBay and I am not sure of what their current policy is concerning cash transactions. Any advice in this matter is appreciated. Thanks. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 369 *** ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 369
I wasn't aware that the crooks and con artists were coming to meet the sellers with bags of counterfeit dough to pay for items, so you should meet them at the bank, and force the thief to get his money checked before you accept it. Thanks for the tip. There is no way that ebay is not going to get their share, since you have to supply them with a valid credit card number. So either they will take their share out of you paypal account, and if there are no funds in it, they will get it from your credit card. - Original Message - From: ger ge...@comcast.net To: phono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 3:39:18 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 369 I'm starting to list stuff on ebay again and they will allow cash on pickup as long as you list an alternate electronic payment as well. You have to put contact me in the shipping instructions when you want a local pickup. Don't mention cash in that box though. Most of what I'll be selling is too heavy to ship and maneuver (at least for me). I'm trying to sell 2 heavy Karastan rugs (ger55), and if this listing goes well, I'll start putting Edison records, vintage machines and horns on. They have a new listing policy: it's called FREE for the first 100 items, with an after-sale fee of 9% with the max of $100 (certain categories are excluded and priced higher, like homes, cars, etc.). The listing is more of a form-type, like check-the-boxes...very different for someone who has not sold there in years (me)!! As far as cash: My brother told me to go to your bank (obviously during banking hours) and accept the cash there, so that it can be checked for authenticity. The pen-checker is good, but the bank is safer, because you can deposit at the same time. Naturally this is after the person sees and commits to take your item. I think you'd have to let ebay pull their $100 out of your CC (or paypal ?) after the sale, since it's a cash transaction...you might want to check how they handle that. If they found out you sold and did not fork over their fee, you'd get banned or sued!? LOL Ger PS: Ebay had to help me set up this first ad...their whole system has changed s much. But the helper was very good. You can't put cash in the shipping instructions or the system will not accept the listing, although you could put it in the text description. Also, I just got the above info a few days ago. One can double check for accuracy. Lately bureaucratic monster companies seem to be confused, or just too big, with different customer service people saying different, often contradictory things! -Original Message- From: phono-l-request@ oldcrank .org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:00 PM To: phono-l@ oldcrank .org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 369 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@ oldcrank .org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http :// oldcrank .org/mailman/ listinfo /phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-request@ oldcrank .org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-owner@ oldcrank .org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. eBay payment options ( gregory caringi ) 2. Re: eBay payment options (chris...@cox.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 18:09:58 -0500 From: gregory caringi drgregc @ msn .com To: phono-l phono-l@ oldcrank .org Subject: [Phono-L] eBay payment options Message-ID: SNT127-W52A36C9A34F31D171EF067A7B50@ phx . gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset =iso-8859-1 I recently sold an item on eBay for over $2000. The item will be picked-up at my home rather than shipped. The buyer has offered to pay cash at the time of pick-up. I searched eBay and I am not sure of what their current policy is concerning cash transactions. Any advice in this matter is appreciated. Thanks. -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 20:24:39 -0500 From: chris...@cox.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@ oldcrank .org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay payment options Message-ID: 20111205202439.3MP7M.277794. imail @eastrmwml301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset =utf-8 eBay would rather you used PayPal , so they get a cut of the payment, but they can't forbid local pickup for cash and there would be a huge outcry if they tried. If you are concerned about a stranger coming to your house, set the exchange up in a public place such as a restaurant or your place of work. I can't imagine any other problem (and in fact I just met a buyer today, who came to my office building, and paid me $1,600 in cash for the two items he won). Happy selling! Chris gregory
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 369
Give us the link to your auctions. Steve From: ge...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 15:39:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 369 I'm starting to list stuff on ebay again and they will allow cash on pickup as long as you list an alternate electronic payment as well. You have to put contact me in the shipping instructions when you want a local pickup. Don't mention cash in that box though. Most of what I'll be selling is too heavy to ship and maneuver (at least for me). I'm trying to sell 2 heavy Karastan rugs (ger55), and if this listing goes well, I'll start putting Edison records, vintage machines and horns on. They have a new listing policy: it's called FREE for the first 100 items, with an after-sale fee of 9% with the max of $100 (certain categories are excluded and priced higher, like homes, cars, etc.). The listing is more of a form-type, like check-the-boxes...very different for someone who has not sold there in years (me)!! As far as cash: My brother told me to go to your bank (obviously during banking hours) and accept the cash there, so that it can be checked for authenticity. The pen-checker is good, but the bank is safer, because you can deposit at the same time. Naturally this is after the person sees and commits to take your item. I think you'd have to let ebay pull their $100 out of your CC (or paypal?) after the sale, since it's a cash transaction...you might want to check how they handle that. If they found out you sold and did not fork over their fee, you'd get banned or sued!? LOL Ger PS: Ebay had to help me set up this first ad...their whole system has changed s much. But the helper was very good. You can't put cash in the shipping instructions or the system will not accept the listing, although you could put it in the text description. Also, I just got the above info a few days ago. One can double check for accuracy. Lately bureaucratic monster companies seem to be confused, or just too big, with different customer service people saying different, often contradictory things! -Original Message- From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:00 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 369 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. eBay payment options (gregory caringi) 2. Re: eBay payment options (chris...@cox.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 18:09:58 -0500 From: gregory caringi drgr...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] eBay payment options Message-ID: snt127-w52a36c9a34f31d171ef067a7...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I recently sold an item on eBay for over $2000. The item will be picked-up at my home rather than shipped. The buyer has offered to pay cash at the time of pick-up. I searched eBay and I am not sure of what their current policy is concerning cash transactions. Any advice in this matter is appreciated. Thanks. -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 20:24:39 -0500 From: chris...@cox.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay payment options Message-ID: 20111205202439.3MP7M.277794.imail@eastrmwml301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 eBay would rather you used PayPal, so they get a cut of the payment, but they can't forbid local pickup for cash and there would be a huge outcry if they tried. If you are concerned about a stranger coming to your house, set the exchange up in a public place such as a restaurant or your place of work. I can't imagine any other problem (and in fact I just met a buyer today, who came to my office building, and paid me $1,600 in cash for the two items he won). Happy selling! Chris gregory caringi drgr...@msn.com wrote: I recently sold an item on eBay for over $2000. The item will be picked-up at my home rather than shipped. The buyer has offered to pay cash at the time of pick-up. I searched eBay and I am not sure of what their current policy is concerning cash transactions. Any advice in this matter is appreciated. Thanks. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 356
Thomas Negovan and I gave a lecture on cylinder history and recording at the TedX motivational speakers consortium in Naperville IL (1893 Columbian Exhibition.) It was a real treat to partake in this event. I know you are saying why are you using a cygnet horn to record with, are you daft! I tried many different ones previous to the event, and with the recorder I used this horn gave the best recording quality, plus it made it easy to play back as well. A very low noise high output cylinder issued from this event, and Thomas played in a normal playing manner. The real treat also was setting up in the lobby afterwards, and playing recordings, and having a Q.A session. There is definitely more interest with the general public, it still amazes and astounds, especially when done right. Of course many of the scientists, and lecturers were inspired by Thomas Edison. When the video goes up, you will be able to hear this as well, will update where and when this is available. Sincerely Shawn Borri http://www.flickr.com/photos/tedxnaperville/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 279
From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 279 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Any interest in a mahogany A-150 Diamond Disk? (DeeDee Blais) 2. Re: Any interest in a mahogany A-150 Diamond Disk? (c5...@aol.com) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:06:49 -0700 (PDT) From: DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Any interest in a mahogany A-150 Diamond Disk? Message-ID: 1315793209.37731.yahoomail...@web113803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 If anyone has any interest in an Edison A-150 please let me know. ?It's an original mahogany example in good shape. ?It needs a stylus and the on/off control. I am happy to send photos. Jerry Blais -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:24:29 -0400 (EDT) From: c5...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Any interest in a mahogany A-150 Diamond Disk? Message-ID: dedab.7c0d2507.3b9f2...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Jerry, Send photos. What is the price to Union? Thanks, Bob Cole In a message dated 9/11/2011 10:24:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, deedeebl...@yahoo.com writes: If anyone has any interest in an Edison A-150 please let me know. It's an original mahogany example in good shape. It needs a stylus and the on/off control. I am happy to send photos. Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 279 *** ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Phono-L Website Chat Has Moved!
The re-designed Phono-L website is now located at phono-l.org. The Phono-L chat room is also located here, so change your bookmarks! Regards, Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 224
Michigan Antique Phonograph Society. The magazine alone is worth the price of membership. Jim On Jul 21, 2011, at 3:52 PM, ger wrote: I don't belong to MAPS. But it sounds like a good idea. I am in northwest CT, (rural) near MA and NY, but highway 44 passes my street and connects to route 7. When I type in MAPS, I get geography. What does MAPS stand for so I can search for local chapters? Thanks! :) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 143
I know this will strike horror in some collectors,. However when LOC moved the archives from D.C. To Culpepper, I applied for a job as an audio expert there, and did make it the first interview, stage which I thought was quite an accomplishment. I am still a consultant. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 143
Why would it strike horror? I would think that would be a very prestigious and important job for music preservation… On May 15, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Thomas Edison wrote: I know this will strike horror in some collectors,. However when LOC moved the archives from D.C. To Culpepper, I applied for a job as an audio expert there, and did make it the first interview, stage which I thought was quite an accomplishment. I am still a consultant. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 39
white Lamberts? Once the pink is all. Scratched off! John -Original Message- From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:20:06 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brain cramp So you gonna play those Pink Lamberts on those Amberolas?lol. I do have a Indestructible reproducer in a box somewhere around the house.4 Min tho' Mike oldcranky On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:14 AM, rkolba0...@aol.com wrote: I'm already old. The 4 minute Indestructibles can be played on an Amberola. Only th early 1A or 1B upright Amberolas had the ability to play both 2 and 4 minute records. The 2 minute Indestructibles will play on any machine with a 2 minute speed and a 2 minute reproducer. Hope this helps.. In a message dated 1/31/2011 1:58:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nickja...@gmail.com writes: I should know this but I can't come up with a confident answer can one play Col/Indestructible celluloid cyls on an Amberola? Please don't laugh too long - you'll be old someday too!!! thanks, Darrell ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 19:55:08 -0500 From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ed cyl 8999? Message-ID: 3B0A0E0C12774587A0ACE61DCC738983@moms Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original A person on YouTube has posted a video of his copy of 8999, by the Edison Concert Band. Did Edison re-record older numbers without an announcement? His copy either has none or he edited it out. You are mentioned, as well ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK4gqJcUdHs - Original Message - From: allena...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 4:04 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Ed cyl 8999? Hi On the gosong website, there is a reference to Edison 2-min black wax cyl #8999. Does anyone have this to check - is it really 'Yankee Land' but with no banjo (as listed in the cat's, by Ossman)? Allen -- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:02:18 EST From: allena...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ed cyl 8999? Message-ID: 1834a.2e821e48.3a78b...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 1/31/2011 7:55:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ediso...@verizon.net writes: A person on YouTube has posted a video of his copy of 8999, by the Edison Concert Band. Did Edison re-record older numbers without an announcement? His copy either has none or he edited it out. -- Thank you. Is there a banjo playing (at all) on this cyl? This title (Yankee Land) was carried as 8999 for a long time, as a banj rec by Ossman. (w/ same title). He said his had no announcement, so a late version). Allen -- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:16:37 -0500 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brain cramp Message-ID: col118-w570e754bdf4636460d6996f6...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 If I had an A1 with an M. How do the Lamberts sound? The Blue Amberol 2 minute records have a lot of surface noise. Steve So you gonna play those Pink Lamberts on those Amberolas?lol. I do have a Indestructible reproducer in a box somewhere around the house.4 Min tho' Mike oldcranky -- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:47:25 -0500 From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ed cyl 8999? Message-ID: 08503399DFB541CC81F216440F32FCE4@moms Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Just the band, all the way through - Original Message - -- Thank you. Is there a banjo playing (at all) on this cyl? -- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:10:15 -0600 From: jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brain cramp Message-ID: 380-2201122131015...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Amberola 1-B's only play 4 minute cylinders. jim...@earthlink.net
Re: [Phono-L] [Phono-L) MIND the subject line PLEASE
I looked today and there were 14 messages with thwe subject The New Phonogram so I selected one there's something about foreign cars. So I click another... same thing. SOMEWHERE there must have been something about New Phonograms, right? C'mon guys. Don't be so fast to just hit reply. If changing the subject, please change the subject line. ;-) Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Sorry, my fault. I told the joke about the English phonograph industry which everyone realized was a thinly-veiled jab and British cars of the '30s - '60s. Mea Culpa. It won't happen again; at least not by me. GrnMountain Bill On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 5:37 PM, srsel...@aol.com wrote: I looked today and there were 14 messages with thwe subject The New Phonogram so I selected one there's something about foreign cars. So I click another... same thing. SOMEWHERE there must have been something about New Phonograms, right? C'mon guys. Don't be so fast to just hit reply. If changing the subject, please change the subject line. ;-) Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 212
and springs to mount the motor to the motor board, so I'm sure someone got screwed (pun intended). I must agree that he was somehat a rude individual,? but not so much that it really bothered me as he shipped very fast? and everything was actually great!? I just thought I'd provide? another view of just my experience.? I would not necessaril recommend? him, but my transcation ended well thankfully after reading these posts.? I do not recall his name, but I looked his phone number? up and found the following information for those who wish to dig deeper. Antique Edison (412) 257-8926 301 Murray Ave Bridgeville, PA 15017 antiquedi...@aol.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:25:16 -0500 From: Merle Sprinzen msprin...@gmail.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for Mother Goose records Message-ID: 00a701cb971e$6a0ab210$3e2016...@com Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=us-ascii Thanks SO much, Harvey, for letting me know about this.? Luckily (given the price) the records I'm looking for weren't produced by Talking Book.? These were Columbia's, just with a different label.? So the pursuit continues! -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of harvey kravitz Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 10:22 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for Mother Goose records Merle, Go to Ruby Lane? and there is a Mother Goose book. Look under phonographs. The price is steep, $275. for it. Harvey Kravitz -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:43:29 -0800 (PST) From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for Mother Goose records Message-ID: 312991.94416...@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Merle, I never saw records like this before. Were they made the same era as Bubble Books? Are they scare and rare? I didn't know Columbia made these. All the best, Harvey From: Merle Sprinzen msprin...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 1:25:16 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for Mother Goose records Thanks SO much, Harvey, for letting me know about this.? Luckily (given the price) the records I'm looking for weren't produced by Talking Book.? These were Columbia's, just with a different label.? So the pursuit continues! -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of harvey kravitz Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 10:22 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for Mother Goose records Merle, Go to Ruby Lane? and there is a Mother Goose book. Look under phonographs. The price is steep, $275. for it. Harvey Kravitz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ? ? ??? -- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 00:11:58 + From: Jack Whelan jackwhe...@hotmail.com To: a...@popyrus.com, Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer? alert Message-ID: bay158-w479d38769c4bce66fa6210d5...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Andy,? Thanks for the heads up on this topic.? As a result of your info, I was able to get reimbursed under eBay's Buyer Protection Plan and post a negative feedback to warn others about the buyer. At Vonage's suggestion, I bought a used Vonage router (my previous Vonage Linksys router failed) on eBay.? The seller claimed it was only 6 months old... When I tried to use it, Vonage told me there was an outstanding balance on the account associated with that router so it was not a valid Vonage product.? The buyer agreed to take it back and offered a product only refund, no freight.? After repeatedly asking for the promised refund, the buyer later claimed he never received it back, contrary to the receipt I got from the Post Office. I submitted
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So once again, eBay's Resolution Center proved to be the pathetic, worthless joke it always is? I have never had even one single claim be met with anything but form letters and messages from the utterly confused, much less resolved. Best, Robert From: phonowo...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 10:54:11 -0800 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 212 That was pretty much the end of the story. I ended up re-restoring the machine and it came out reasonably nice. The reason I shared that whole exchange was it simply had to be read to be believed. I was stunned at the lack of rational thinking, denial of responsibility, and borderline psychotic ramblings, not to mention the poor grasp of the most basic concepts of English grammar and sentence structure... Now I'm getting personal, so I'll stop. Let's just leave it at caveat emptor. Don From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 212 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:38:15 -0800 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Re: My experience with ANTIQUE EDISON - Seller's Namewas/ Frankenreproducer alert (john9...@pacbell.net) 2. Once upon a time, (Kurt Nauck) 3. Re: Once upon a time, (Sean Miller) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 00:15:22 + From: john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] My experience with ANTIQUE EDISON - Seller's Namewas/ Frankenreproducer alert Message-ID: 1186219038-1292026523-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-5657871...@bda503.bisx.prod.on.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Come on Donny, don't leave us hanging! John -Original Message- From: hexaph...@sbcglobal.net Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:08:07 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] My experience with ANTIQUE EDISON - Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert Bummer!? However, whats then ending of this saga?? The suspense is killing us. --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Don Henry phonowo...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Don Henry phonowo...@hotmail.com Subject: [Phono-L] My experience with ANTIQUE EDISON - Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 4:49 PM Hello fellow phono enthusiasts. I have been reading the exchange on the ebay seller known as ANTIQUE EDISON. His name is John Marinacci. I had the misfortune of purchasing a Victor VI from him off of Ebay about 2 years ago.? For those of you who would like brave the following email exchange between Mr Marinacci and me, I am sure you will find it most enlightening... INITIAL EMAIL: Hi John:I received the Victor VI today. Thank you for the secure packaging. It arrived safely. However,? I am concerned about the overall condition of the machine . If you remember, I asked you specifically if the horn had been patched and you said no. Unfortunately, there are at least 5 areas on the horn that have been patched and are easily noticeable. Also, the finish is splotchy and uneven.Secondly, the machine itself has several glaring problems. You had indicated that all of the gold hardware had been replated. In fact, everything but the elbow, crank and the corner posts are just polished brass. The additional gold plating required will be very expensive. Secondly, there is a 9 crack on the crank hole side of the case which has obviously been there since before it was refinished. Also, the finish is very dark and muddy. The backside of the machine actually has bubbled up veneer and will have to be removed and reglued.Long story short, this machine is a far cry from the one described in your auction as show condition.I would appreciate it if you would contact me regarding the machine as soon as possible. Thank you,Don Henry RESPONSE:Hi DonSorry you are not pleased with it I bought it off the Internet about a yr.ago and that is how it was described. even more in a plus description. I know as I stated that you can always look for things I did as well but I did think it was well Good
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How long ago did you buy the machine? I've had reasonably good success with eBay resolution center if the item was paid for with PayPal. They currently hold the money until the buyer posts favorable feedback. Also they have the sellers bank account # so they can take the funds out of it if the claim is resolved in your favor. I have a very old Pay Pal account and have never given them my bank account # and never will. For that reason and a number of others I no longer sell on eBay. -Original Message- From: Robert Wright Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 3:14 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 212 So once again, eBay's Resolution Center proved to be the pathetic, worthless joke it always is? I have never had even one single claim be met with anything but form letters and messages from the utterly confused, much less resolved. Best, Robert From: phonowo...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 10:54:11 -0800 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 212 That was pretty much the end of the story. I ended up re-restoring the machine and it came out reasonably nice. The reason I shared that whole exchange was it simply had to be read to be believed. I was stunned at the lack of rational thinking, denial of responsibility, and borderline psychotic ramblings, not to mention the poor grasp of the most basic concepts of English grammar and sentence structure... Now I'm getting personal, so I'll stop. Let's just leave it at caveat emptor. Don From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 212 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:38:15 -0800 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Re: My experience with ANTIQUE EDISON - Seller's Namewas/ Frankenreproducer alert (john9...@pacbell.net) 2. Once upon a time, (Kurt Nauck) 3. Re: Once upon a time, (Sean Miller) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 00:15:22 + From: john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] My experience with ANTIQUE EDISON - Seller's Namewas/ Frankenreproducer alert Message-ID: 1186219038-1292026523-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-5657871...@bda503.bisx.prod.on.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Come on Donny, don't leave us hanging! John -Original Message- From: hexaph...@sbcglobal.net Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:08:07 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] My experience with ANTIQUE EDISON - Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert Bummer!? However, whats then ending of this saga?? The suspense is killing us. --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Don Henry phonowo...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Don Henry phonowo...@hotmail.com Subject: [Phono-L] My experience with ANTIQUE EDISON - Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 4:49 PM Hello fellow phono enthusiasts. I have been reading the exchange on the ebay seller known as ANTIQUE EDISON. His name is John Marinacci. I had the misfortune of purchasing a Victor VI from him off of Ebay about 2 years ago.? For those of you who would like brave the following email exchange between Mr Marinacci and me, I am sure you will find it most enlightening... INITIAL EMAIL: Hi John:I received the Victor VI today. Thank you for the secure packaging. It arrived safely. However,? I am concerned about the overall condition of the machine . If you remember, I asked you specifically if the horn had been patched and you said no. Unfortunately, there are at least 5 areas on the horn that have been patched and are easily noticeable. Also, the finish is splotchy and uneven.Secondly, the machine itself has several glaring problems. You had indicated that all of the gold hardware had been replated. In fact, everything but the elbow, crank and the corner posts are just polished brass. The additional gold plating required will be very expensive. Secondly, there is a 9 crack on the crank hole side of the case which has obviously been there since before it was refinished. Also, the finish is very dark and muddy. The backside of the machine actually
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I'm with you on the paypal, not giving them my bank acct #. I use a low-level credit card when they absolutely insist on paypal. I had a problem with something I recently bought off ebay, an obvious error by the seller. YET, all I could get paypal to agree to was the amount which I originally sent the seller. I was out $45 to send to item back, and THAT part is not in their settlement anywhere! I don't sell on ebay anymore either (12 yrs member) because they want electronic payment ONLY. I rarely buy there because I am sick of half of the stuff having some kind or other problem! I bought a sterling bracelet which was marked 925. I tested it and it was 925 in some spots, but 800 in others! Oh, and about ebay feedback (FB). I gave a seller a NEG FB, with the warning at the time of posting, that it could NOT be rescinded and was I sure that I wanted to do it. LOL So, what do I get a couple of days later? A REQUEST put through ebay by the seller, asking me to rescind the neg FB...tells ya what FB on ebay is worth! 0 (big goose egg). If FB was like the ratings on Amazon, it might be worth something...they let you go into detail on Amazon, not relying on a few stars and about 40 characters like ebay does. Sorry if this is too off-topic. -Original Message- From: Bob V. Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 3:25 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 212 How long ago did you buy the machine? I've had reasonably good success with eBay resolution center if the item was paid for with PayPal. They currently hold the money until the buyer posts favorable feedback. Also they have the sellers bank account # so they can take the funds out of it if the claim is resolved in your favor. I have a very old Pay Pal account and have never given them my bank account # and never will. For that reason and a number of others I no longer sell on eBay. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 196
Maybe that's because not many of us have Class Ms... --- On Fri, 11/26/10, Thomas Edison edisonphonowo...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Thomas Edison edisonphonowo...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 196 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, November 26, 2010, 4:55 PM I always notice that threads about frankenphones, and non helpul stuff like that go on forever,while. Talk about how to mold records, or how to adjust the brushes on the governor, so there is no wow , or how to. Change the electrolytic, sal amoniac for Grennet plunge battery for a class M get no responses. By the way keep the contact points on the govenor clean, the copper brushes touching with the same pressure on both sides, and make shure to keep a little above 2 amps, at all times so the motor is strong, the few. Cass Ms I heard were way out of adjustment, they should have no wow or flutter, they were recording Phonographs for goodness sakes! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I always notice that threads about frankenphones, and non helpul stuff like that go on forever,while. Talk about how to mold records, or how to adjust the brushes on the governor, so there is no wow , or how to. Change the electrolytic, sal amoniac for Grennet plunge battery for a class M get no responses. By the way keep the contact points on the govenor clean, the copper brushes touching with the same pressure on both sides, and make shure to keep a little above 2 amps, at all times so the motor is strong, the few. Cass Ms I heard were way out of adjustment, they should have no wow or flutter, they were recording Phonographs for goodness sakes! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Probably, the reason for that (no responses) is because most of us run into this Frankenphone type of stuff regularly from antique dealers, sellers on eBay, etc. and find it humorous. Molding records and adjusting class M machines are interesting posts to read about, but most of us probably don't deal with these record molding issues on a daily basis and most of us don't have class M's or at least I don't. Please don't take this in the wrong way, it's not criticism, just reality. And in this age of weird reality, a little humor goes a long way to maintain a little sanity. From: edisonphonowo...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 18:55:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 196 I always notice that threads about frankenphones, and non helpul stuff like that go on forever,while. Talk about how to mold records, or how to adjust the brushes on the governor, so there is no wow , or how to. Change the electrolytic, sal amoniac for Grennet plunge battery for a class M get no responses. By the way keep the contact points on the govenor clean, the copper brushes touching with the same pressure on both sides, and make shure to keep a little above 2 amps, at all times so the motor is strong, the few. Cass Ms I heard were way out of adjustment, they should have no wow or flutter, they were recording Phonographs for goodness sakes! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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OK, I'll do the first reply. Hundreds of us know enough about Frankenphones to comment on them, though most of us know very little about the topics you mentioned. But that doesn't mean they aren't fascinating: 1. Cylinder making 2. Grennet cells 3. Class M motors Since I know virtually nothing about cylinder making, I couldn't make a good response, like suggest a formula change. But I have posted here about how beautiful your light-colored cylinders at the Edison Historical Site are. I was there this summer. I have never seen a Grennet cell in use. I couldn't name anyone who owns a Class M. Nevertheless, I am very interested in all of those topics. Especially the Class M motor. I'm an electrical engineer who spent a good part of my career on starting up new DC motors and the variable speed electronics drive controls that have been used with them since the 1960's. So, yes, I know that brush tension against the commutator is very important. Did you say the Class M brushes are made of COPPER? I've never seen a brush that wasn't made of carbon or perhaps brass in very old motors. But I know wire brushes were used by Edison and others before Frank Sprague invented the carbon brush for street car DC series motors. Jim Nichol On Nov 26, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Thomas Edison wrote: I always notice that threads about frankenphones, and non helpul stuff like that go on forever,while. Talk about how to mold records, or how to adjust the brushes on the governor, so there is no wow , or how to. Change the electrolytic, sal amoniac for Grennet plunge battery for a class M get no responses. By the way keep the contact points on the govenor clean, the copper brushes touching with the same pressure on both sides, and make shure to keep a little above 2 amps, at all times so the motor is strong, the few. Cass Ms I heard were way out of adjustment, they should have no wow or flutter, they were recording Phonographs for goodness sakes! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 196
The brushes in the Ediphone motors are also brass. Basically rolled up fine mesh brass screen. There are lots of those around. You can motorize your decrepit Home or Triumph with one without much grief. Makes a frankenAlva out of them. On 11/26/2010 09:08 PM, Jim Nichol wrote: OK, I'll do the first reply. Hundreds of us know enough about Frankenphones to comment on them, though most of us know very little about the topics you mentioned. But that doesn't mean they aren't fascinating: 1. Cylinder making 2. Grennet cells 3. Class M motors Since I know virtually nothing about cylinder making, I couldn't make a good response, like suggest a formula change. But I have posted here about how beautiful your light-colored cylinders at the Edison Historical Site are. I was there this summer. I have never seen a Grennet cell in use. I couldn't name anyone who owns a Class M. Nevertheless, I am very interested in all of those topics. Especially the Class M motor. I'm an electrical engineer who spent a good part of my career on starting up new DC motors and the variable speed electronics drive controls that have been used with them since the 1960's. So, yes, I know that brush tension against the commutator is very important. Did you say the Class M brushes are made of COPPER? I've never seen a brush that wasn't made of carbon or perhaps brass in very old motors. But I know wire brushes were used by Edison and others before Frank Sprague invented the carbon brush for street car DC series motors. Jim Nichol On Nov 26, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Thomas Edison wrote: I always notice that threads about frankenphones, and non helpul stuff like that go on forever,while. Talk about how to mold records, or how to adjust the brushes on the governor, so there is no wow , or how to. Change the electrolytic, sal amoniac for Grennet plunge battery for a class M get no responses. By the way keep the contact points on the govenor clean, the copper brushes touching with the same pressure on both sides, and make shure to keep a little above 2 amps, at all times so the motor is strong, the few. Cass Ms I heard were way out of adjustment, they should have no wow or flutter, they were recording Phonographs for goodness sakes! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 147
Hello All: Does anyone know what they were asking for the Columbia A with the Bettini reproducer? Thanks, Don Henry From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 147 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:00:02 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Wayne Show Report (Robin Joan Rolfs) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 08:59:18 -0500 From: Robin Joan Rolfs nip...@dataex.com To: Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Wayne Show Report Message-ID: 3ca61c030dc845448bf465ecbfefc...@owner094cc0223 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Greetings, The Wayne NJ show was great as usual. Well organist by Michael Devecka. Sales were very good for us and there are always excellent items for sale at the show. We posted photos from the sale at: www.wimaps.org Click on the Photos tab. The next Wayne Mechanical Music Extravaganza show date is Sunday, April 10, 2011. We also look forward to the Orlando show JANUARY 22: Orlando Phonograph Show For further Dealer information contact: Bob Cole 407-247-6271 Richard Brown 407-620-4862 Email to c5...@aol.com http://home.comcast.net/~orlandophonoshow/ Enjoy the fantastic phonographs and phono friends at the Wayne show. Robin Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com -- ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 147 *** ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 147
$8500.00 -Original Message- From: Don Henry phonowo...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:24 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 147 Hello All: Does anyone know what they were asking for the Columbia A with the Bettini reproducer? Thanks, Don Henry From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 147 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:00:02 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Wayne Show Report (Robin Joan Rolfs) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 08:59:18 -0500 From: Robin Joan Rolfs nip...@dataex.com To: Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Wayne Show Report Message-ID: 3ca61c030dc845448bf465ecbfefc...@owner094cc0223 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Greetings, The Wayne NJ show was great as usual. Well organist by Michael Devecka. Sales were very good for us and there are always excellent items for sale at the show. We posted photos from the sale at: www.wimaps.org Click on the Photos tab. The next Wayne Mechanical Music Extravaganza show date is Sunday, April 10, 2011. We also look forward to the Orlando show JANUARY 22: Orlando Phonograph Show For further Dealer information contact: Bob Cole 407-247-6271 Richard Brown 407-620-4862 Email to c5...@aol.com http://home.comcast.net/~orlandophonoshow/ Enjoy the fantastic phonographs and phono friends at the Wayne show. Robin Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com -- ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 147 *** ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 133
If in need I have a huge supply of NOS glass diaphragms American and European of all sizes and very reasonable pricing. Kindly contact after October 23 as in Europe until then. Larry In a message dated 9/21/2010 12:00:12 Pacific Daylight Time, phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org writes: Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Edison recording saphires-Rich Goodin (Thomas Edison) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:40:12 -0500 From: Thomas Edison edisonphonowo...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison recording saphires-Rich Goodin Message-ID: snt140-w230059ca22c48c9ef2ea4ed1...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Rich, several people have contacted in need of the recording points please contact me. 815-608-0024. Thanks. Shawn. From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 129 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 12:00:02 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Now that its over what were they thinking? (Steven Medved) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 20:48:02 + From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com,Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Now that its over what were they thinking? Message-ID: col118-w4543b7f246adba939e9843f6...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=330459729791 -- ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 129 *** -- ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 133 *** ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 127
Jeff: If it makes you feel any better, you wouldn't have gotten it for $5. He ended the auction the same day it was listed so he found out right away what he had... Besides, I already had it bookmarked! Don From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 127 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 12:00:01 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Re: What is this reproducer? (Jeffry Young, D.O.) 2. Re: What is this reproducer? (Rich) 3. chat (Ron L'Herault) 4. What is this reproducer? (Patrick Gunn) 5. Re: What is this reproducer? (john robles) 6. Re: What is this reproducer? (Jan and Harold) 7. Contact Information needed (jim...@earthlink.net) 8. Re: Contact Information needed (Andrew Baron) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:13:44 -0500 From: Jeffry Young, D.O. jeff...@prevea.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Message-ID: 6c7ea97ca5292848b80f204f38a737520eda0...@mercury.prevea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Zonophone closed face reproducer has been relisted. http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Zonophone-reproducer-disc-phonograph-/38026743 6038?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5889b49806 He now knows what he has. These are appropriate for any and all early Zonophones, the A,B,C, or D. There was both a 3 screw version without a needle guard, and the 4 screw version, most often seen with the needle guard, but sometimes not. These reproducers are exceedingly rare. I have seen only one other on ebay in perhaps 5 years! There were some reproduction 3 screw reproducers produced in the '70's. I have one of these. This will bring a king's ransom. It will be fun to watch. (I wish I had seen it before it closed when he did not know what it was! Could have had the blasted thing for $5!) Jeff Wisconsin -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Don Henry Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:39 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 124 This is a Zonophone Model A reproducer for the glass sided front mount model - precursor to the Concert V.. No doubt the listing was ended when he discovered what he had! Don From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 124 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:00:02 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. What is this reproducer? (Steven Medved) 2. Re: What is this reproducer? (john9...@pacbell.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:09:49 + From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com, Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Message-ID: col118-w1431da3934f191c9e71ba0f6...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 http://cgi.ebay.com/antique-phonograph-reproducer-78-rpm-records-/290473 079601 Can anyone tell me what this is? Thanks, Steve -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:23:16 + From: john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Message-ID: 116370-1283905395-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-90806018 9...@bda488.bisx.prod.on.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain That almost looks like a Clark-Johnson reproducer! John Robles --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: phonolist To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] What
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 124
This is a Zonophone Model A reproducer for the glass sided front mount model - precursor to the Concert V.. No doubt the listing was ended when he discovered what he had! Don From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 124 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:00:02 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. What is this reproducer? (Steven Medved) 2. Re: What is this reproducer? (john9...@pacbell.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:09:49 + From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com,Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Message-ID: col118-w1431da3934f191c9e71ba0f6...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 http://cgi.ebay.com/antique-phonograph-reproducer-78-rpm-records-/290473079601 Can anyone tell me what this is? Thanks, Steve -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:23:16 + From: john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Message-ID: 116370-1283905395-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-9080601...@bda488.bisx.prod.on.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain That almost looks like a Clark-Johnson reproducer! John Robles --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: phonolist To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Sent: Sep 7, 2010 5:09 PM http://cgi.ebay.com/antique-phonograph-reproducer-78-rpm-records-/290473079601 Can anyone tell me what this is? Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -- ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 124 *** ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 121
I got my Vic II shaft and gear from George Volema. The gear should be reusable unless it was damaged. Don ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99
Hey! The Crapophone is up to $1.25! That's exactly how much merchandise I sold at the CAPS show last weekend! From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:00:02 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Ebay Fraud (john robles) 2. Re: Ebay Fraud (ronbr...@aol.com) 3. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 4. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 5. Re: Ebay Fraud (bruce78...@comcast.net) 6. Re: Ebay Fraud (harvey kravitz) 7. Re: Ebay Fraud (Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD)) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 884085.82901...@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:37:03 -0400 From: ronbr...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 8cd0bd497b95960-1538-5...@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? Its a steal at that price! :)It would be worth paying the 99 cents just to take it and smash it to bits. Ron -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:53:12 -0400 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 004701cb3e0b$26b59d70$60d62...@ad.bu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 It probably is an all original machine-no new repro parts, just the ones it came with originally. The reproducer does look better than other crapophone units I've seen though. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:19 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:54:42 -0400 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 004801cb3e0b$5c546bf0$60d62...@ad.bu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I'd buy the horn. Someone sent me a hornless crapophone that I am altering to make it play better. Buy it. I'll give you $15 plus shipping for the horn. Ron L -Original Message- From:
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99
I agree, worst show ever. It was a buyers market but no one was buying! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Don Henry phonowo...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:27:23 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 Hey! The Crapophone is up to $1.25! That's exactly how much merchandise I sold at the CAPS show last weekend! From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:00:02 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Ebay Fraud (john robles) 2. Re: Ebay Fraud (ronbr...@aol.com) 3. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 4. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 5. Re: Ebay Fraud (bruce78...@comcast.net) 6. Re: Ebay Fraud (harvey kravitz) 7. Re: Ebay Fraud (Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD)) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 884085.82901...@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:37:03 -0400 From: ronbr...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 8cd0bd497b95960-1538-5...@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? Its a steal at that price! :)It would be worth paying the 99 cents just to take it and smash it to bits. Ron -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:53:12 -0400 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 004701cb3e0b$26b59d70$60d62...@ad.bu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 It probably is an all original machine-no new repro parts, just the ones it came with originally. The reproducer does look better than other crapophone units I've seen though. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:19 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:54:42 -0400 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99
The seller said they would amend the description. We'll see... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Don Henry phonowo...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:27:23 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 Hey! The Crapophone is up to $1.25! That's exactly how much merchandise I sold at the CAPS show last weekend! From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:00:02 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Ebay Fraud (john robles) 2. Re: Ebay Fraud (ronbr...@aol.com) 3. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 4. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 5. Re: Ebay Fraud (bruce78...@comcast.net) 6. Re: Ebay Fraud (harvey kravitz) 7. Re: Ebay Fraud (Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD)) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 884085.82901...@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:37:03 -0400 From: ronbr...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 8cd0bd497b95960-1538-5...@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? Its a steal at that price! :)It would be worth paying the 99 cents just to take it and smash it to bits. Ron -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:53:12 -0400 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 004701cb3e0b$26b59d70$60d62...@ad.bu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 It probably is an all original machine-no new repro parts, just the ones it came with originally. The reproducer does look better than other crapophone units I've seen though. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:19 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:54:42 -0400 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99
Hi John, I sent the seller a message and a link to the Crapophone website. He sent me a message saying he added an amendment to the listing. I checked it and here it is: On Aug-17-10 at 07:36:36 PDT, seller added the following information: Note: I have received conflicting ideas regarding the authenticity of this item. It is possible that some parts have been replaced, or that it is a reproduction. I recommend all buyers to look closely at the pictures. He added this, in small print, below the very large description. That being said, I found a bunch of the same thing with prices ranging from $100-250 for Authentic, Antique Gramophone/Phonograph/Crapophones. This stuff is ruining eBay... Several months ago, I watched two or three listings of needle tins that included small collections of very rare tins from a seller in Hamburg, Germany. Each one was snapped up at the last minute by the same bidder. I finally decided to bid on a new listing of approx. 70 tins, some very rare along with original advertising. The pictures were slightly hazy, but you could recognize the rare tins when you enlarged the pics. The bids were quite low and assuming the same bidder would snipe it at the end, I put in an extra generous bid, but still within reason for what was represented. I won the auction and the previous bidder on the other auctions, drove my bid to the max. When I finally got them, they were cleverly crafted forgeries that I paid 200 euros for. I wrote the seller and asked him what he thought he was doing. He admitted that they were fakes, but said he disclosed it in small print (in German). I went back and looked at all of his previous auctions and no disclosure, b ut on this particular one he added an additional word in front of authentic. Thankfully, I paid with PayPal and after investigating, they paid me back. Lesson learned... Curt To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:32:29 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 The seller said they would amend the description. We'll see... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Don Henry phonowo...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:27:23 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 Hey! The Crapophone is up to $1.25! That's exactly how much merchandise I sold at the CAPS show last weekend! From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:00:02 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Ebay Fraud (john robles) 2. Re: Ebay Fraud (ronbr...@aol.com) 3. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 4. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 5. Re: Ebay Fraud (bruce78...@comcast.net) 6. Re: Ebay Fraud (harvey kravitz) 7. Re: Ebay Fraud (Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD)) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 884085.82901...@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:37:03 -0400 From: ronbr...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 8cd0bd497b95960-1538-5...@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? Its a steal at that price! :) It would be worth paying the 99 cents just to take it and smash it to bits. Ron -Original Message- From: john robles john9
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 78
The song is Down South . I have a Decca record of the song played by Milt Herth. Jerry F Bacon ♫ From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 2:00:01 PM Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 78 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Re: 8 Operaphone - 1714 (Ron L'Herault) 2. Re: Model R 4 minute reproducer (Tom Jordan) 3. Video of the San filipo estate collection (Tom Jordan) 4. Re: Video of the San filipo estate collection (Michael and Suellen Funk) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 16:49:30 -0400 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 8 Operaphone - 1714 Message-ID: 007501cb1e15$e5c858d0$b1590a...@edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Makes me think if Offenbach but I can't place it. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Longwell Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 8 Operaphone - 1714 The clip is posted at the following link: http://www.majesticrecord.com/operaphone1714.htm Beware of the terrible sound you are about to hear! If you know the song name that's great but I'm very interested in knowing the artist as well so would need to find someone who owns the disc, or perhaps this was on an earlier Operaphone like American Patrol was. Thanks, Glenn From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Phono L phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 1:35:15 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 8 Operaphone - 1714 Glenn, Could you post a clip of the audio on your website? Best, Robert Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 13:49:43 -0700 From: majesticrec...@snet.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] 8 Operaphone - 1714 I tried this question on 78-l but got no response. This list tends to have people that own these off beat vertical records so hoping someone can help me. I just got a copy of an 8 vertical Operaphone, catalog 1714. This is when they had the paper labels and this one is a red label. One side is American Patrol (that was easy to figure out as it's a popular song and it was also on Operaphone 1037 which is the embossed label that preceded this example) but both sides have the same American Patrol label. Does anyone have a copy of this to tell me what the other song and artist is? Thanks. Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:W L:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 18:41:44 -0500 From: Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Model R 4 minute reproducer Message-ID: blu0-smtp906a121dfd2b86b25831edd9...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Someone sent me the link to this video on facebook of the Sanfilipo estate and their collection of photographs and other mechanical musical wonders. I thought that you might enjoy it as well. Tom http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Carolina-Antique-Music-Phonograph-S ociety/130658956974008 -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 18:46:31 -0500 From: Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com To: 'Tom Jordan' tom...@msn.com, 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Video of the San filipo estate collection Message-ID: blu0-smtp320b78018059319d72efddd9...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry for the misleading subject line in my first message. I hit reply to a prior message that I had sent to the group. -Original Message- From: Tom Jordan [mailto:tom...@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:42 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: 'Tom Jordan
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 67
Floyd and Steve
Thought you might find the following threads interesting.
phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org wrote:
Today's Topics:
2. union (zonophone2...@aol.com)
4. Re: union (bruce78...@comcast.net)
5. Re: union (Rich)
6. Re: union (bruce78...@comcast.net)
7. Re: union (Rich)
8. Re: union (bruce78...@comcast.net)
9. Re: union (Rich)
10. Re: union (Rich)
11. Re: union (Darrell Lehman)
12. Re: union (bruce78...@comcast.net)
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:01:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: zonophone2...@aol.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] union
Message-ID: 6de8b.c8b0e9d.3944c...@aol.com
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hi all
i hear paul baker and kurt knauck were banned from union for setting up a
new show
has anyone heard of this too
paul tried this five years ago i know and had to apologize to the union
attendees
anyone else heard this
zono
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:52:44 + (UTC)
From: bruce78...@comcast.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] union
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1271856794.4113011276357964496.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
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Sounds kind of crazy !! Is there something illegal or unethical about starting your own show, or offering some friendly competition. How bizarre !!
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:14:10 -0500
From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] union
Message-ID: 4c13b252.3060...@octoxol.com
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There has been an issue with trading in the parking lot on the Thursday
before the show in the past. That has expanded to exhibitors trading
just about anywhere on Thursday if its officially organized.
I am reasonably certain that there will be more info flowing forth on
this topic.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:51:37 + (UTC)
From: bruce78...@comcast.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] union
Message-ID:
530641174.4123071276361497278.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
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I see. Certainly if some folks are using the parking lot, that would be a problem. But if they are at the Hess Gas Station down the Street, or have rented some space at some ball field, then what's the problem ?? Certainly nothing wrong with that. Why should someone claim a monopoly on the whole area just based on tradition.
- Original Message -
From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 12:14:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] union
There has been an issue with trading in the parking lot on the Thursday
before the show in the past. That has expanded to exhibitors trading
just about anywhere on Thursday if its officially organized.
I am reasonably certain that there will be more info flowing forth on
this topic.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:06:36 -0500
From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] union
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That{But if they are at the Hess Gas Station down the Street, or have
rented some space at some ball field, then what's the problem ??
Certainly nothing wrong with that. Why should someone claim a monopoly
on the whole area just based on tradition.} was the question raised the
last time as I remember.
If you remember back several years there used to be an auction on
Thursday night and this issue did not really surface until the auction
went away.
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:18:52 + (UTC)
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So it appears these folks want to be the only game in town? and are blackballing anyone who dares to start there own little trading and selling station, even when it is seperate and apart from their own operation ? That is highly unethical and down right arrogant. Of course this could merely be one of those rumors that gets going, based solely on hear say, and snowballs out of sight. So let's get all of the facts before we all jump on this.
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Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L] Wayne Show Stanton Auction
I thought the Idelia was in very good condition. The prices for the rarer machines compared very favorably with the auction/price lists I have. I wanted the Berliner trademark but quickly got blown out of the water. It went for $10,000 (maybe a little more). If that is not a record it has to be close. The prices overall seemed higher than the last two years, perhaps another indication the recession is over. Bad news for me in that I am in the accumulation phase of my addiction. R. Buck -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of zonophone2...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:01 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L] Wayne Show Stanton Auction hi all i had a friend who bought and idelia three years ago for 17 k it needed some restoration so its a matter of condition i love my idelia and would not sell it for that cheap so its up to the market place In a message dated 4/28/2010 3:15:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, valecnik57-p...@yahoo.com writes: What kind of condition was the Idelia in? $20,000 does not seem like a record price. Bruce Johnson youTube channel: www.youtube.com/user/Cylinderphonograph Phono-L] Wayne Show Stanton Auction Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:26:59 PM From: Robin Joan Rolfs nip...@dataex.com To: Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org Greetings, Photo's of the Wayne Show can be found on the WIMAPS website at www.wimaps.org The show was well attended and sales were brisk. A rainy day detoured sales in the parking lot on Saturday. The show is growing and the attendance was excellent. The Stanton auction was incredible with awesome phonographs for sale. Buyers were ready to stimulate the economy and prices for rare items set some record prices. Highlights were: Eldridge Johnson Model C phonograph: $3500.00 Very rare Salter mahogany double bow front record cabinet: $6700.00 Rare lever-wind ratchet phonograph: $21,000.00 Edison Idealia Cylinder Phonograph: $20,000.00 Vogue records sold between $25.00 $35.00 with the exception of a few rare Vogues that made $100.00 Phonograph lamps were in demand with a Fairy Lamp bringing $3800.00. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Phono-L] Wayne Show Stanton Auction
What kind of condition was the Idelia in? $20,000 does not seem like a record price. Bruce Johnson youTube channel: www.youtube.com/user/Cylinderphonograph Phono-L] Wayne Show Stanton Auction Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:26:59 PM From: Robin Joan Rolfs nip...@dataex.com To: Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org Greetings, Photo's of the Wayne Show can be found on the WIMAPS website at www.wimaps.org The show was well attended and sales were brisk. A rainy day detoured sales in the parking lot on Saturday. The show is growing and the attendance was excellent. The Stanton auction was incredible with awesome phonographs for sale. Buyers were ready to stimulate the economy and prices for rare items set some record prices. Highlights were: Eldridge Johnson Model C phonograph: $3500.00 Very rare Salter mahogany double bow front record cabinet: $6700.00 Rare lever-wind ratchet phonograph: $21,000.00 Edison Idealia Cylinder Phonograph: $20,000.00 Vogue records sold between $25.00 $35.00 with the exception of a few rare Vogues that made $100.00 Phonograph lamps were in demand with a Fairy Lamp bringing $3800.00. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L] Wayne Show Stanton Auction
hi all i had a friend who bought and idelia three years ago for 17 k it needed some restoration so its a matter of condition i love my idelia and would not sell it for that cheap so its up to the market place In a message dated 4/28/2010 3:15:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, valecnik57-p...@yahoo.com writes: What kind of condition was the Idelia in? $20,000 does not seem like a record price. Bruce Johnson youTube channel: www.youtube.com/user/Cylinderphonograph Phono-L] Wayne Show Stanton Auction Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:26:59 PM From: Robin Joan Rolfs nip...@dataex.com To: Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org Greetings, Photo's of the Wayne Show can be found on the WIMAPS website at www.wimaps.org The show was well attended and sales were brisk. A rainy day detoured sales in the parking lot on Saturday. The show is growing and the attendance was excellent. The Stanton auction was incredible with awesome phonographs for sale. Buyers were ready to stimulate the economy and prices for rare items set some record prices. Highlights were: Eldridge Johnson Model C phonograph: $3500.00 Very rare Salter mahogany double bow front record cabinet: $6700.00 Rare lever-wind ratchet phonograph: $21,000.00 Edison Idealia Cylinder Phonograph: $20,000.00 Vogue records sold between $25.00 $35.00 with the exception of a few rare Vogues that made $100.00 Phonograph lamps were in demand with a Fairy Lamp bringing $3800.00. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 49
Contact me off line (rrocr...@aol.com) re Whitworth screws and nuts. You are not in trouble. Can direct you to a source. Larry -Original Message- From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Apr 19, 2010 12:53 pm Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 49 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l r, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific han Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... f you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire igest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Re: hello all (Steven Medved) 2. Problems with withworth screws (Gabriel Marro) 3. Re: Problems with withworth screws (Bob) 4. Vitaphone tone arm (Bob) 5. Re: Vitaphone Tone Arm (bruce78...@comcast.net) 6. Re: Vitaphone Tone Arm (zonophone2...@aol.com) 7. Re: hello all (Scott Malawski) 8. Which would you choose - Opera or Fireside? (john robles) 9. Re: Which would you choose - Opera or Fireside? (Dennis Back) 10. Re: Problems with withworth screws (gabrielma...@telefonica.net) 11. Re: Which would you choose - Opera or Fireside? (zonophone2...@aol.com) 12. Re: Which would you choose - Opera or Fireside? (zonophone2...@aol.com) 13. Re: hello all (Ken and Brenda Brekke) 14. Re: hello all (SM) 15. Re: Problems with withworth screws (Rich) - Message: 1 ate: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:52:19 + rom: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com o: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org ubject: Re: [Phono-L] hello all essage-ID: col118-w2581a6ccfeed1f99f7adcef6...@phx.gbl ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 irek Stehlic m.steh...@sentex.ca here is the e-mail I have for him. From: zonophone2...@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:54:27 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] hello all hi a few years ago i got some repro berliner parts from a gentleman named stilek in canada does anyone have his email thanks zono ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 2 ate: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 20:32:03 +0200 rom: Gabriel Marro gabrielma...@telefonica.net o: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org ubject: [Phono-L] Problems with withworth screws essage-ID: 443e6d69-d941-4a60-9963-9bc2cfbe4...@telefonica.net ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I am restoring a phonograph and have found a problem with screws and nuts. This mage: http://www.boxio.com/390IKUMODS33/withworth screwsnut.JPG shows two crews and a copper nut that is to be embedded in the wood. Well, my problem is hat the phonograph lacks the other nut. Here, in Spain, there is almost mpossible to find withworth screws o nuts as they have never been used here ince more than one hundred years. Do any of you know where can I get a nut to put it embedded in the wood? I think he metric is 1/8'' Withworth. Thanks in advance, Gabriel. El 18/04/2010, a las 03:19, bruce78...@comcast.net escribi?: Join us tonight and Talk Antique Phonographs, records or any other related ubject on the weekly Antique Phonograph Forum located here. Hoping to see some ew forum participants, and some old ones who have not visited in awhile. http://www.oldcrank.org/chat/ Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 3 ate: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 15:17:33 -0400 rom: Bob rvu...@comcast.net o: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Problems with withworth screws essage-ID: e41abddaf5204c3b9df8510f61da9...@hppc ontent-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Gabriel, Those screws don't look 100 years old and I doubt that they are original o your machine. I think I would replace them with screws and nuts of the amesise with standard threads. You can probably find some old ones that ould be in character with your machine. Keep the screws you have with your achine just in case you ever find the correct nut, Original Message - rom: Gabriel Marro gabrielma...@telefonica.net o: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 2:32 PM ubject: [Phono-L] Problems with withworth screws am restoring a phonograph and have found a problem with screws and nuts. his image: http://www.boxio.com/390IKUMODS33/withworth screwsnut.JPG shows wo screws and a copper nut that is to be embedded in the wood. Well, my roblem is that the phonograph lacks the other nut. Here, in Spain, there is lmost impossible to find
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 21
Hi, The Recorder will have a mica diaphragm and the Reproducer one made of thin aluminum. The Recorder pivots in only one direction. Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) Thank you very much Allen. How didn't I notice that. Gabriel. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 15
Looking for a Model J Edison reproducer. Cash or interesting trades. Please reply off line to me at _rrocr...@aol.com_ (mailto:rrocr...@aol.com) . Larry Hawes ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 173
Looking for phonograph parts for a Detrola model 626, Specifically I am looking for the small wheel that turns the platter via the motor. thank for any help. Chris C. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 154 (real subject: removing excess text)
Thanks Dan, I've been harping about this for years. Bruce - Original Message - From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 154 (real subject: removing excess text) Apparently, people are not removing the previous text, as you have also failed to do, by quoting the entire digest in your reply. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 150
I have not found a shure fire way yet, of shipping cylinders, I now try to by the eggs that come in a square with the 2 carton sides, and wrap my cylinder boxes in that and tape them up real good, then bubble wrap around that. The inside has bubble wrap between the 3 rows of blanks. There is nothing as disheartning as sending out a dozen cylinders which all an all is 12 hours of work, and a month of setting. I usually double the insuance on them so the customer can get there money back if they do arrive broken. I much rather hand deliver them than ship them. I sell them in storage boxes that have 12 tube pegs in them. I am a father raising children so I do not make as many anymore, and do not accept any orders, what I sell I make when I can.I estimated that in the New York adventure, I had almost $300,000.00 worth of material stolen from me. Never been quite able to recover from that, I work for DHS making $9.25/h does not leave much to do phonographs. _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 150
Here is a link on tinfoi.com to a good lesson on packing and shipping cylinders. It's kind of fun to watch and is good information. http://tinfoil.com/outtakes.htm Dan On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Thomas Edison edisonphonowo...@hotmail.com wrote: I have not found a shure fire way yet, of shipping cylinders, I now try to by the eggs that come in a square with the 2 carton sides, and wrap my cylinder boxes in that and tape them up real good, then bubble wrap around that. The inside has bubble wrap between the 3 rows of blanks. There is nothing as disheartning as sending out a dozen cylinders which all an all is 12 hours of work, and a month of setting. I usually double the insuance on them so the customer can get there money back if they do arrive broken. I much rather hand deliver them than ship them. I sell them in storage boxes that have 12 tube pegs in them. I am a father raising children so I do not make as many anymore, and do not accept any orders, what I sell I make when I can.I estimated that in the New York adventure, I had almost $300,000.00 worth of material stolen from me. Never been quite able to recover from that, I work for DHS making $9.25/h does not leave much to do phonographs. _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 150
be once again just media mail. And people wonder why our confidence in the government bureaucracies is flagging? Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:36:52 -0500 From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Media Mail... Message-ID: 4a7c8254.8070...@octoxol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Small towns do help. Ron L'Herault wrote: The people at my post office are super. They are friendly and helpful. They know what recordings are too. Maybe it is because I live in a small town? Ron L in North Attleborough, MA, home of the jewelry industry in the USA -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 11:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Media Mail... Many eBay sellers are shipping everything Media Mail. I have received torque wrenches shipped as Media Mail. I can understand the USPS problem with this. That being said, this just goes to show the sate of the US education system since we were blessed with the Department of Education almost 50 years ago. Little Johnny and Janie are just plain dumb. They know nothing about history. Never even heard about some guy named Thomas Edison I just love dealing with government workers at any level. clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: For those of us who have battled the US Postal Service there came a new challenge today. I won a lot of Blue Amberols on eBay and they arrived yesterday with a postcard note from my carrier to go to the main post office as there was postage due. That seemed odd since the seller had gone to great lengths to calculate and charge correctly. When I arrived at the post office I presented the young guy at the counter with my postcard. He went in back and retrieved the box then told me I owed another $18.75 because they had opended the box after X-raying it and there were no records inside so it could not be MEDIA MAIL. So, I told him they were Edison cylinder records. I asked if I could show him. He called over his supervisor. They allowed me to reach into the box and retrieve a cylinder record. Both agreed that it was not a CD and not a record. I asked for the next higher up supervisor. They went and brought back the postmaster. I showed him the Edison box labeled Edison Blue Amberol Record. He was unmoved and somewhat uncaring. Just when I thought all was lost, an elderly postal worker getting ready to open his window next to us, looked over, and said, I used to play records like that on my grandfather's grammyphone (sic)! SAVED... and then it only took 30 minutes to undo the extra charges so the box would be once again just media mail. And people wonder why our confidence in the government bureaucracies is flagging? Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:50:40 -0400 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Post office Message-ID: col118-w272ccf4eca481dc3c0da65f6...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The Post Office is wonderful until something goes wrong. I purchased a reproducer from Peru back in 1994, the clerk said to mail the Postal Money order Certified so I could trace it. It got lost and I went back and ask them to trace it a month later. I was informed the could only trace inside the US. It took me over six months to get a refund on the Postal Money order, I finally found a lady that told me to call her friend who took care of cases like mine. I sent a reproducer to Oz and the post office mistakenly sent it sea mail when I paid for air mail. In both cases no refund was offered for their mistake. I recently received cylinder records that arrived broken, after waiting over thirty minutes
[Phono-L] Phono-L is Back Up
Sorry for the inconvenience... Loran From zonophone2...@aol.com Thu Dec 11 15:17:45 2008 From: zonophone2...@aol.com (zonophone2...@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 11 15:16:02 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Transport Information Wanted Message-ID: c90.35833341.3672f...@aol.com hi try greyhound i have shipped several cabinets that way best to all zono In a message dated 12/11/2008 3:39:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jim...@earthlink.net writes: I am buying a couple of upright phonographs that are located in the San Francisco area. What would be the most expedient, safest and cheapest means of having them transported to me in Austin, Texas? Thanks for any advice on this matter! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances Austin, Texas jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) From chris...@cox.net Thu Dec 11 15:09:08 2008 From: chris...@cox.net (chris...@cox.net) Date: Thu Dec 11 18:35:10 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request Message-ID: 20081211180908.8bmjc.30699.im...@eastrmwml29 I don[t know if they serve that part of the country, but Craters and Freighters (www.cratersandfreighters.com) is often used for delicate antiques and large radios and has a good reputation. Also there is a company in Maine called AC Delivers (http://www.acdelivers.com/contact.asp) that is a superb antique delivery service, relied on by dealers all over, but they tend to take a while to get to the item and aggregate enough stuff for a delivery to the destination. Any other suggestions? Chris Kocsis jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.net wrote: I am buying two upright phonographs located in the San Francisco area need to have them transported to Austin, Texas.What is the most expedient, safe and cheapest transportation method for antique phonographs?Thanks!(I have tried several times to send this query but it doesn't appear to be getting through.Is Phono-L in operation?) Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances Austin, Texas jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 290
Greg, Could you contact me off list at bruce at bojo.cz?? I wanted to ask you about some reproducer repairs for me.? I sent you an email but?probably have an old address. Thanks, Bruce
[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 287
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[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 255
This is why I like this site. The old G. Marx saying about having me for a member seems OK here. Thank goodness we all have a sense of humor. When our retirement plans are going south at least we can gather at the river and play our windups for free. Time to pull out the old Bryan and Taft election cylinders regarding bank deposits and listen to advice of 100 years ago. Keep up the fun replies. Larry Hawes **Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall0001)
[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 255
You can thank Woodrow Wilson for the Federal Reserve... RROCRREC at aol.com wrote: This is why I like this site. The old G. Marx saying about having me for a member seems OK here. Thank goodness we all have a sense of humor. When our retirement plans are going south at least we can gather at the river and play our windups for free. Time to pull out the old Bryan and Taft election cylinders regarding bank deposits and listen to advice of 100 years ago. Keep up the fun replies. Larry Hawes **Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall0001) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 254
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[Phono-L] Phono-L No More E-Bay Pranks
Gents, Bob, you're right E-bay doesn't care about you...or me or Tom, Dick or Harry, but they do care about all of us together. That's the only way to make a difference-a large (and noisy enough block of buyers and sellers need to make their feelings known. Yes they have gotten to big and complacent. I agree with Douglas-it's the middle management bookkeeper types who are trying to squeeze every penny out the clientele. That seems to be S.O.P. these days. They seem to have forgotten lower price per unit means more units sold, means more profit! Yes the buyers are the key, we need to at least begin looking for options, the sellers will follow. The antique hobbies are now a smaller part of E-Bay than they once were. They know that too, just look at their advertising. That could be an opportunity for us. But Tim you can't compare them to the old Ma Bell, The old Telephone Company provided us with the best telephone service in the world. So if we phono-nuts all leave and find a new viable option and E-Bay stays the same-so what, good for them! We at least won't need to deal with them. Norman, I'm with you, I don't really have to many other options myself. Without E-Bay I wouldn't have one tenth of what I have phonographic-wise without it. I couldn't do without as things stand right now. Brantley, I too have met some very good people through E-Bay so it's not all bad, if it was I'd be gone, but it's up to the clientele to force the issue. To paraphrase-We get the E-bay we deserve Regards, John B.
[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 251
John, They really don't care. I sent the following after I heard about this and never got a reply. Dear eBay, I just wanted to tell you what I think of your new fee structure, particularly the part about eliminating payments by checks or money orders. I think you are a bunch of thieves and you have sunken to a new low. You conveniently neglect mentioning that most of us will now have to accept paypal and you will double what you make on all these auctions. Also you will make an additional 2 % on the shipping too. I think if you want to have this policy, you should allow the sellers to charge the buyers for the service. If they don't want to pay, they don't have to bid or they can adjust their bid accordingly You shouldn't care where you get your pound of flesh. I think you people have lost sight of what you are- a virtual company. You don't have factories, stores or inventory. All you have is sellers with these things working for you. You should do everything in your power to keep them happy. Originally you did. Now you treat them with no respect. You must think they are all idiots. If you think the changes you made last winter caused a lot of controversy, just wait until this change sinks in with the small sellers. You don't seem to realize that the competition for your business is growing. If you keep this up your profits may increase in the short run but eventually it will catch up with you and some smart entrepreneur will gobble you up. I know you will probably not respond to this note but when you get enough of them you may realize you have made a mistake. Robert Vuillemenot - Original Message - From: J.F. Bennett citypoin...@gmail.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 251 Gents, Firstly sorry about the typo-in my posting it should have read NON-payment. I'm sure you all knew what I meant. Good point all-the IRS is, I'm sure going to take full advantage of this change. Although bear in mind that money orders and checks leave trails too. This will just make it a bit easier I'd imagine. E-Bay isn't the only game in town, it is however the biggest by a mile. A friend of mine just quite E-Bay due to their heavy-handed actions. He made a typo on the shipping charges of an item and rather than contact him they simply pulled the auction. He joined eBid: http://us.ebid.net/ He seems happy for now, but I looked in and found a grand total of three 78s! Maybe in time. Craigs List is good too but I have had the best luck record-wise on E-Bay and I don't see any alternative for me. I don't drive so I can't do the flea markets and yard sales c. and even with Craigs list most things generally are pick-up rather than mail. Brantley, I know what you are saying and I agree with you in the main, but a boycott will not work, for every one person that leaves one or two will up their bidding because the competition lessens and the prices drop which makes E-Bay more appealing and then someone else joins and negates the first person leaving. E-Bay doesn't care who's bidding and selling as long as someone is. They really don't care if they have a huge turnover. That's why I think the idea of a flood of complaints might have an impact. It doesn't even have to be a majority, just enough to make them take notice. The squeaky wheel principle, it has been known to work. Let's all take a step towards what Brantley opines; everyone here who uses E-Bay-at least join ebid just as an example and tell your friends in the hobby, if sellers know there are buyers there they will list there, who in their right mind would ignore a potential market? I haven't joined yet but I think I will look into the details tonight and if anyone's interested I'll report back. Regards, John B. P.S. Also I plan on reporting my complaints about Paypal to them as well as parent E-Bay. we've got to let them know if we have complaints-they haven't hired Dionne Warwick yet, as far as I know. ;-) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: 9/14/2008 7:16 AM
[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 251
This whole thing has been very interesting. It's the classical behaviour of a giant that grew up too fast. eBay has become a gigantic monopoly that will be feeding on itself. If they continue on this course, it could be the straw that broke the camel's back. I'm sure that they have a corps of bookkepers that are feeding a never ending flow of ideas to fine tune their system. eBay is indeed, a profit engine. Already said above, they are a business that has no inventory, and that makes its money on the sellers that they serve as agents.It's a parasite that has found ways to get its customers into a compromising condition, and it is moving in for a kill. The only boycott that ever could be used on them will be a discontinuation of bidding, and that isn't a thing that would work strongly, if at all. The sellers won't back off, as long as there are buyers. Those of us who are buyers would need to move against eBay as a body, and cause a significant decline in their busines, and that isn't a practical strategy. eBay would have to recognize the impact of an organized boycott, and they know it'll never happen. There will have to be another avenue to use to replace eBay. Should this happen, and eBay sees its revenues diminishing, possibly, it will sober up, and try to go back and rebuild the operation that made it the roaring success that it was, prior to the greed syndrome.If this would happen, they'll find that there will not be anything to go back to. I know of a (former) giant corporation that has had cost cutters grind it down to a mere shadow of itself, and is still having the cost cutters shaving off a little more all the time. It's like sharpening a pencil more and more, 'til there's nothing left. They've been in a downward spiral, and are too dumb to even recognize it. [Original Message] From: Bob rvuill at comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: 9/14/2008 4:24:01 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 251 John, They really don't care. I sent the following after I heard about this and never got a reply. Dear eBay, I just wanted to tell you what I think of your new fee structure, particularly the part about eliminating payments by checks or money orders. I think you are a bunch of thieves and you have sunken to a new low. You conveniently neglect mentioning that most of us will now have to accept paypal and you will double what you make on all these auctions. Also you will make an additional 2 % on the shipping too. I think if you want to have this policy, you should allow the sellers to charge the buyers for the service. If they don't want to pay, they don't have to bid or they can adjust their bid accordingly You shouldn't care where you get your pound of flesh. I think you people have lost sight of what you are- a virtual company. You don't have factories, stores or inventory. All you have is sellers with these things working for you. You should do everything in your power to keep them happy. Originally you did. Now you treat them with no respect. You must think they are all idiots. If you think the changes you made last winter caused a lot of controversy, just wait until this change sinks in with the small sellers. You don't seem to realize that the competition for your business is growing. If you keep this up your profits may increase in the short run but eventually it will catch up with you and some smart entrepreneur will gobble you up. I know you will probably not respond to this note but when you get enough of them you may realize you have made a mistake. Robert Vuillemenot - Original Message - From: J.F. Bennett citypointsb at gmail.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 251 Gents, Firstly sorry about the typo-in my posting it should have read NON-payment. I'm sure you all knew what I meant. Good point all-the IRS is, I'm sure going to take full advantage of this change. Although bear in mind that money orders and checks leave trails too. This will just make it a bit easier I'd imagine. E-Bay isn't the only game in town, it is however the biggest by a mile. A friend of mine just quite E-Bay due to their heavy-handed actions. He made a typo on the shipping charges of an item and rather than contact him they simply pulled the auction. He joined eBid: http://us.ebid.net/ He seems happy for now, but I looked in and found a grand total of three 78s! Maybe in time. Craigs List is good too but I have had the best luck record-wise on E-Bay and I don't see any alternative for me. I don't drive so I can't do the flea markets and yard sales c. and even with Craigs list most things generally are pick-up rather than mail. Brantley, I know what you are saying and I agree with you in the main, but a boycott will not work
[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 204
I am working on completing a Zonophone project and thought I would check with the list for possible trades: I would trade a very early brass experimental reproducer(probably Mobley or Fletcher) for an original four screw closed face Zonophone reproducer; also would trade a very nice mid-sized Zonophone crank for a nice original small Zonophone crank . Please contact me off list for pictures and details. Thanks. tmax at wf.net
[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 153
Rich rich-mail at octoxol.com said to the Phono-L list... On the subject: Re: Commercials included in AOL messages... I believe when AOL started offering free email accounts the little adds were added to the email. I do not think you, the originator, can get rid of it without paying for your email service. I am not 100% on this as I have not partaken of AO-Hell since the mid 90s. As we know, or should know, there is NO free lunch - ever. Yes, sadly this is true... and there are many cheapskates who can't afford to get their own email and who are willing to allow AO-HELL to have a free ride on all their messages! Any comments from others on this would be appreciated, particularly from people on AO-HELL who can confirm this. ... Graham Newton -- Audio Restoration by Graham Newton, http://www.audio-restoration.com World class professional services applied to tape or phonograph records for consumers and re-releases, featuring CEDAR's CAMBRIDGE processes.
[Phono-L] Phono-L Info Repository
What i see is that the pdf downloads are Firefox agnostic. It just opens the pdf in side the browser. This is not the proper FF action when the PDF Download extension is installed. Indicated that the pdf is being called on the remote server as a separate page. This results in a new page and the delay to DL the document before it opens and starting acrobat on the local machine. My thought - cumbersome. Save link as calls dlc.php, which is NOT the actual pdf. You have to wait for the doc to open in the browser before you can save the local copy. If it is the actual pdf and not a script then FF will function and so will every other browser. Other than that, looks real good. Rich On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:24:02 -0500, C Wright wrote: Loran, The web site looks great. I was able to download the PDF files. Keep up the the great work that you are doing for us that love Antique Phonographs. Carl Wright On Feb 24, 2007, at 6:26 PM, Loran T. Hughes wrote: A while back, Ken Danckaert suggested putting together a repository, where we could share documents, photos, etc. I've roughed out a site to do just this. Please take a look at http:// www.oldcrank.org and let me know what you think. It isn't ready for production yet, but I want you folks to see the possibilities and perhaps float some suggestions to make it useful. Thanks, Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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No need to do a thing... everyone was transferred over in one fell swoop. It's just been quiet for a couple of days. Speaking of quiet, would anyone like to volunteer a report from the CAPS show? Loran On Aug 22, 2004, at 7:01 PM, Michael Graziano wrote: I haven't done anything and received your email -Original Message- From: Mark Lynch [mailto:markely...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:49 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Phono-L Hi Loran, Thanks for all the hard work hosting the Phono-L list, I know it must be a thankless job at times! I really appreciate what you do. Are there any steps needed on my part to re-subscribe to the new domain? I have not received a posting since 8/20. Kind Regards, Mark Mark Lynch markely...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l
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An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20040824/786b3e2a/attachment.html From lo...@oldcrank.com Tue Aug 24 16:27:26 2004 From: lo...@oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:46 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono-L In-Reply-To: 412b8eda.939.160d...@localhost References: 412b8eda.939.160d...@localhost Message-ID: 200408241627.26054.lo...@oldcrank.com Ben, It seems the server is having an identity crisis. I'll fix this as soon as possible and make the change for you. For the moment, it appears that nobody - including your humble administrator - can make any changes. Sorry for the inconvenience, Loran On Tuesday 24 August 2004 03:54 pm, bhtongue wrote: Hi, Under the old server, I received messages in a Daily Digest. Now, I receive individual emails, and I would like to go back to Daily Digests. I tried to use the supplied link http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l , but I get an error message Internal Server Error. What should I do now? Best regards, Ben H. Tongue
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The server is fixed. You can again access Phono-L and your account info on the web at http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l . Loran
[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 2, Issue 219
I can vouch for the quality of the parts at www.wwindups.com. I got a bracket for my Victor 9-16 and it was superb. Bruce
[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 2, Issue 219
hi all the smythes are great people to deal with and very honest happy collecting
[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 2, Issue 219
The Smiths are one of the few people who make parts of outstanding quality. Steve I can vouch for the quality of the parts at www.wwindups.com. I got a bracket for my Victor 9-16 and it was superb. Bruce
[Phono-L] Phono-L Saturday Night Forum
Just wondering whether the Saturday Night discussion forum on Phono-L will be up and running again at some point. Many of us enjoy this Saturday Night Phono Chat, and are of course hoping that it will be back in action soon. Thanks Loran!! Bruce From bruce78...@comcast.net Sat Mar 19 19:26:14 2005 From: bruce78...@comcast.net (bruce78rpm) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:16 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Phonograph Forum is again up and running Message-ID: 000901c52cfc$929b7710$6401a...@custom Contact has been restored. Thanks Loran!! From d...@old-phonographs.com Sun Mar 20 15:18:54 2005 From: d...@old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:16 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Early L-door motor board question Message-ID: 001a01c52da3$33cdc650$6501a...@danslaptop I have a very nice early L-door Victrola XVI that was missing the motor board and motor. I had everything else. It takes the VTLA style motor board which sits on top instead of being inset. I found a motor board and motor and it fits perfectly down to the screw holes except for one problem. The crank shaft on the motor sits about 1/4 too high for the crank. It's in exactly the right place, just a bit high. Does anyone know if there are thinner motor boards for this type of machine? The only other machine I have with top mounted motor boards is a Victrola XII which has a thinner and slightly different setup than a XVI. Any suggestions or ideas out there? Thanks Dan From lhera...@bu.edu Sun Mar 20 18:40:46 2005 From: lhera...@bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:16 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Early L-door motor board question In-Reply-To: 001a01c52da3$33cdc650$6501a...@danslaptop Message-ID: 00ba01c52dbf$6622d750$1b5ed...@ronlherault How is the height of the turn table to the motor board? Maybe someone left off the washers (felt or rubber, I'm not sure) that were probably between motor and board. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Melvin Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 6:19 PM To: phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Early L-door motor board question I have a very nice early L-door Victrola XVI that was missing the motor board and motor. I had everything else. It takes the VTLA style motor board which sits on top instead of being inset. I found a motor board and motor and it fits perfectly down to the screw holes except for one problem. The crank shaft on the motor sits about 1/4 too high for the crank. It's in exactly the right place, just a bit high. Does anyone know if there are thinner motor boards for this type of machine? The only other machine I have with top mounted motor boards is a Victrola XII which has a thinner and slightly different setup than a XVI. Any suggestions or ideas out there? Thanks Dan ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 2, Issue 240
In a message dated 12/3/2005 3:32:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, smalaw...@yahoo.com writes: or some Indestructibles (2M on rim) ** which are these? I know of no Albany Indestructibles with 2M on their rims. Do you mean US Everlasting? allen
[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 2, Issue 240
phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: bay101-dav12e46957aaadaff9cc4021aa...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Just throwing this out there as a newbie to cylinder purchases myself... John, did you mean something more along the lines of issue numbers and series? I know I surely can't tell cylinder groove pitch from a low-quality jpeg taken from 3 or 4 ft away, and (estate) sellers who sell groups of cylinders per lot often take a picture from 6 ft away of a stack of cylinders in and out of cases! There are sellers who take such fabulous pictures, there's no way to mistake 2- and 4-minute, but those sellers are usually thorough enough to include 2- or 4- in their descriptions. Here's what I (think I) know so far: all brown wax cylinders are 2-minute and all Blue Amberolas are 4-minute... right? And Indestructibles have 2M or 4M printed on the edge with the title... right? Can someone help us out? I'm probably doing more harm than good! I've been wanting to ask this for a while myself. Thanks, John, and thanks in advance to anyone kind enough to fill in the holes! Best to all, Robert - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] identifying 2min or 4 min records If you can compare two known cylinders a 2 and a 4 minute, you will see that the 4 minute recordings have a much finer groove. Once you have got that in you mind, you can tell from looking. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]on Behalf Of John Keister Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:02 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] identifying 2min or 4 min records Hey, everybody, there are lots of cylinder records available on e-bay but the sellers don't know if the records are 2 minute or 4 minute. my question is, how can you tell the difference? gold moulded, blue amberol, etc. John ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ -- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:18:52 -0500 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] identifying 2min or 4 min records To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: bay103-f990d8717bbc439755a1b0f6...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Edison made a Spanish series blue amberol that says 2M on the top, 1200 series. Blue amberols have a plaster of paris core, the early ones were coated and the plaster appears dark. Some 2M Indestructibles do not have 2M on them. If you have questions contact me off list and I will answer. steve_nor...@msn.com The best way for eBay is to have the seller send a close up photo of the top and the grooves. Steve Here's what I (think I) know so far: all brown wax cylinders are 2-minute and all Blue Amberolas are 4-minute... right? And Indestructibles have 2M or 4M printed on the edge with the title... right? Can someone help us out? I'm probably doing more harm than good! I've been wanting to ask this for a while myself. Thanks, John, and thanks in advance to anyone kind enough to fill in the holes! Best to all, Robert -- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:36:05 EST From: allena...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] identifying 2min or 4 min records To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: 248.2bf98bd.30c21...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 12/2/2005 4:20:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve_nor...@msn.com writes: Some 2M Indestructibles do not have 2M on them no Indestrucibles (metal rings), as far as I know, say 2 M. All of the 4 min style Indestructibles do say 4M US Everlastings are marked either 2M or 4M, if I recall. Allen www.phonobooks.com -- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:44:51 -0500 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] identifying 2min or 4 min records To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: bay103-f24ae9b1d109bf69a8bb987f6...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Thanks, Allen, none of mine had it, but I don't have many so I really appreciate your post. My US Everlasting of Cleveland are marked 2M or 4M, these sound very good. Steve Some 2M Indestructibles do not have 2M on them
[Phono-L] Phono-L Server
Folks, The connection to the Phono-L mail server has been flakey for the past couple of days, and has been down more than up. Everything should be working now. Sorry for the inconvenience! Loran
[Phono-L] phono-l gets first shot at it
Gang - Hope this is proper; I'd want folks to do it for me if things were reversed, so here goes. I have a really wonderful item that I will be selling, one way or the other, soon. I figure it's nicest to offer stuff here first, to sorta keep things amongst us. It's not a phono, but it is mechanical music - a Regina music box and stand and discs. Here are some pictures: http://homepage.mac.com/pjfraser/phono/PhotoAlbum138.html Take a look - it's really beautiful. I plan to eBay it, probably this weekend, so if you want it you know what to do next... -- -- Peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net
[Phono-L] phono-l gets first shot at it
Peter, I hope that you don't mind, but I shared the pictures of your mechanical music-a Regina music box and stand and discs, with a friend of the family in Kansas City. He is interested and asked me what you were asking for it. If you tell me it's OK, I can give him your e-mail address and you two can talk. Just so that you know, the person interested is a very serious collector. He has a large and varied collection of music boxes. They are displayed throughout his home. He also collects and restores grand player pianos and large band organs and calliopes. He had a separate climate and humidity controlled building (larger than my entire home) built on his property to store and display his band organ and calliope collection. If he bought it from you it would get a very nice home where it would be loved and taken care of. I won't do anything unless you tell me I can put him in contact with you. Tom Jordan - Original Message - From: pjfra...@alamedanet.net To: Phono-l Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:15 PM Subject: [Phono-L] phono-l gets first shot at it Gang - Hope this is proper; I'd want folks to do it for me if things were reversed, so here goes. I have a really wonderful item that I will be selling, one way or the other, soon. I figure it's nicest to offer stuff here first, to sorta keep things amongst us. It's not a phono, but it is mechanical music - a Regina music box and stand and discs. Here are some pictures: http://homepage.mac.com/pjfraser/phono/PhotoAlbum138.html Take a look - it's really beautiful. I plan to eBay it, probably this weekend, so if you want it you know what to do next... -- -- Peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship
A few days ago, I was accused of censoring a post that didn't appear on Phono-L. For those who don't know me well or haven't been on Phono- L long, I feel an explanation is in order. First, I don't moderate or censor posts. Phono-L is a completely automated system. The only things that are held from immediate postings are messages that go over a certain size limitation, messages with attached viruses, or messages from a non-subscribed email address. Even in those cases, the system simply holds the message until I approve them for release. I don't check for subject matter to ensure posts are on topic. Anyone can join Phono-L. There are no identity checks or probationary periods. You join, you are part of the community and able to fully participate. As for the matter at hand, it was simply a case of the intended post never reaching Phono-L. It may have been eaten by some server along the way or misaddressed. All I know is that it was never received. The person attempting to post the messaged simply assumed - without asking me first - that I had censored his message. I encourage you to drop me a line if you feel something isn't working right or you have an idea to make the list better or more useful. Your humble servant, Loran
[Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship
In a message dated 9/15/2006 9:41:02 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, lo...@oldcrank.com writes: I encourage you to drop me a line if you feel something isn't working right or you have an idea to make the list better or more useful. Your humble servant, Loran Loran, I really don't think you have to apologize for this supposed censorship matter. We all know you don't censor posts and if there is someone out there who is too quick to blame you for a lost post, and who can't spell censor, that's his (or her) problem. Just keep up the good work. ---Art Heller
[Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship
Loran: I concur with Art's assessment of the situation. To paraphrase Barnum, you can't please all the people all the time, especially the vagaries of human psyche. You're doing just fine -- carry on, my friend. George Paul
[Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship
Edison stuck to the mores, business models, and audience awareness of the late 19th century far too long. He came from an time when the people who built the best machines, for the best prices, got the most business. He relied way too much on word of mouth, and skimped on advertising. Edison also inexplicably missed out on the fact that from 1900 on, American cities boomed, and the rural audience that had been so loyal to him began its long, slow decline that continues to this day. Victor seized the moment. They advertised heavily, and often, in large, urban-oriented publications. To see one of Victor's lavish, colorful spreads in a magazine from that era almost makes an Edison fan wince. Victor also invented the star system, with their long-term contracts. Edison thought it was better to get a half-dozen of the great artists' best titles, and not be stuck with paying them any more money for lesser material. It is fitting that one of the world's most famous trademarks, (Nipper,) has a gramophone painted over an Edison cylinder machine, and that one of the most famous Edison advertising pieces has two toothless geezers singing along with a cylinder machine. DISCLAIMER! To all of you toothless geezers out there. Please do not take offense. I am approaching geezerdom at an ever accelerating pace, and my dentist takes more of my money every year. Randy
[Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship
Great points, all. Know your customer base. Aside from the Happiness Boys, Dalhart and Rachmaninoff, what major stars recorded regularly for Edison? All the titles I ever see aren't by artists I'd call major stars of the era. r. - Original Message - From: diamondisk...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship Edison stuck to the mores, business models, and audience awareness of the late 19th century far too long. He came from an time when the people who built the best machines, for the best prices, got the most business. He relied way too much on word of mouth, and skimped on advertising. Edison also inexplicably missed out on the fact that from 1900 on, American cities boomed, and the rural audience that had been so loyal to him began its long, slow decline that continues to this day. Victor seized the moment. They advertised heavily, and often, in large, urban-oriented publications. To see one of Victor's lavish, colorful spreads in a magazine from that era almost makes an Edison fan wince. Victor also invented the star system, with their long-term contracts. Edison thought it was better to get a half-dozen of the great artists' best titles, and not be stuck with paying them any more money for lesser material. It is fitting that one of the world's most famous trademarks, (Nipper,) has a gramophone painted over an Edison cylinder machine, and that one of the most famous Edison advertising pieces has two toothless geezers singing along with a cylinder machine. DISCLAIMER! To all of you toothless geezers out there. Please do not take offense. I am approaching geezerdom at an ever accelerating pace, and my dentist takes more of my money every year. Randy ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
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Just one toothless biddy; the geezer shows his teeth (dentures?) as he smiles at the music :) hehe It is fitting that one of the world's most famous trademarks, (Nipper,) has a gramophone painted over an Edison cylinder machine, and that one of the most famous Edison advertising pieces has two toothless geezers singing along with a cylinder machine.
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On one of the issues of the New Amberola Graphic, they had a reprint of an Edison ad, which cracked me up. It showed a dejected couple on vacation, down in the mouth because there were no new records to play. (There were NONE at all?) Their day was ruined. Next panel showed them gleefully swinging around the place, 'cause the latest hit records had arrived (from someplace). Another Edison ad that I really liked was a Christmas scene where a few little kids were getting their gifts from under the tree, and a new Edison phonograph was among the goodies for the family. The little kids were the beautiful image of carefree, innocent childhood. He did have some good ads. [Original Message] From: diamondisk...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 9/16/2006 11:35:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship Edison stuck to the mores, business models, and audience awareness of the late 19th century far too long. He came from an time when the people who built the best machines, for the best prices, got the most business. He relied way too much on word of mouth, and skimped on advertising. Edison also inexplicably missed out on the fact that from 1900 on, American cities boomed, and the rural audience that had been so loyal to him began its long, slow decline that continues to this day. Victor seized the moment. They advertised heavily, and often, in large, urban-oriented publications. To see one of Victor's lavish, colorful spreads in a magazine from that era almost makes an Edison fan wince. Victor also invented the star system, with their long-term contracts. Edison thought it was better to get a half-dozen of the great artists' best titles, and not be stuck with paying them any more money for lesser material. It is fitting that one of the world's most famous trademarks, (Nipper,) has a gramophone painted over an Edison cylinder machine, and that one of the most famous Edison advertising pieces has two toothless geezers singing along with a cylinder machine. DISCLAIMER! To all of you toothless geezers out there. Please do not take offense. I am approaching geezerdom at an ever accelerating pace, and my dentist takes more of my money every year. Randy ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
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If we're discussing Edison ads, I have one framed in my den that shows a little kid holding a small axe. He's about to use it to smash open the phonograph! The caption says looking for the band. What kind of ad is that? It's like saying, buy this product so your kids can destroy it! -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:00 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 3, Issue 223 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Phono-L and Censorship (Douglas Houston) 2. Re: Edison 50741 test pressing (Steven Medved) 3. Re: Phono-L and Censorship (Steven Medved) 4. Re: Phono-L and Censorship (diamondisk...@aol.com) 5. Re: Phono-L and Censorship (diamondisk...@aol.com) 6. Re: Edison 50741 test pressing (gpaul2...@aol.com) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:45:14 -0400 From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: 410-22006961614514...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On one of the issues of the New Amberola Graphic, they had a reprint of an Edison ad, which cracked me up. It showed a dejected couple on vacation, down in the mouth because there were no new records to play. (There were NONE at all?) Their day was ruined. Next panel showed them gleefully swinging around the place, 'cause the latest hit records had arrived (from someplace). Another Edison ad that I really liked was a Christmas scene where a few little kids were getting their gifts from under the tree, and a new Edison phonograph was among the goodies for the family. The little kids were the beautiful image of carefree, innocent childhood. He did have some good ads. [Original Message] From: diamondisk...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 9/16/2006 11:35:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship Edison stuck to the mores, business models, and audience awareness of the late 19th century far too long. He came from an time when the people who built the best machines, for the best prices, got the most business. He relied way too much on word of mouth, and skimped on advertising. Edison also inexplicably missed out on the fact that from 1900 on, American cities boomed, and the rural audience that had been so loyal to him began its long, slow decline that continues to this day. Victor seized the moment. They advertised heavily, and often, in large, urban-oriented publications. To see one of Victor's lavish, colorful spreads in a magazine from that era almost makes an Edison fan wince. Victor also invented the star system, with their long-term contracts. Edison thought it was better to get a half-dozen of the great artists' best titles, and not be stuck with paying them any more money for lesser material. It is fitting that one of the world's most famous trademarks, (Nipper,) has a gramophone painted over an Edison cylinder machine, and that one of the most famous Edison advertising pieces has two toothless geezers singing along with a cylinder machine. DISCLAIMER! To all of you toothless geezers out there. Please do not take offense. I am approaching geezerdom at an ever accelerating pace, and my dentist takes more of my money every year. Randy ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:16:02 -0400 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison 50741 test pressing To: Robert Wright phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: bay103-w282261fff992d93d6fa4cf6...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Robert, You have a DD with an unground edge. EDAR says: We are uncertain if these were samples, factory rejects, or tone test records. I believe they were factory rejects as the one I have had a white grease pencil that circled a 'defect'. I am very careful with my diamond and the defect was so small I would not have noticed unless it had been circled. The lady that had a group of them was in the NJ area so it is my theory that they were factory rejects that workers
