One problem you run into with this kind of project is making the project be a
"BE-ALL-END-ALL" to every problem. (Kind of recursive, eh)
> - clustering,
> - management of server farms,
> - transparent fail-over,
> - load balancing
> - application deployment without restarting server
> - ad
John Lim wrote:
> Private members and methods are essential from a security view-point,
Why? They solve social issues between developers.
> and perhaps application variables, but that's about it.
SRM adds Application Variables to the PHP Platform.
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http://sebasti
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> And I am curious, what do all the developers who have no interest (or
> no experience) with one particular topic like this do in those 3
> months?
Sure enough there could be more than one "plan" like that.
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http://sebastian-bergmann.de/
Hi,
* Jani Taskinen wrote:
> What do you mean with 'better release management' ?
Extensions that get broken from one minor release to
another minor release is not a very good thing.
> >more complexity to the language itself.
> Why would making PHP more complex be a good thing?
Bec
On Fri, 31 May 2002, brad lafountain wrote:
[...]
> Why do you feel that bundling is such a burdon and how does it requires more
> testing. If libxml release a new release and it is decited to upgrade then
> simply upgrade. I don't understand why you think its such a burdon. It looks
> like they
"Jani Taskinen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>
> So what really ARE the needs of more advanced developers?
> (I'm starting to sound like a broken record now :)
>
> --Jani
>
>
Hi,
I li
On 3 Jun 2002, Stig S. Bakken wrote:
[...]
> Such sysadmins have already learnt the usage of --without-xxx options.
Sure they do, but it's still annoying for them to see new things
enabled-by-default in every new release.
Derick
--
That's fine, but that is not what Jani was talking about. And I am
curious, what do all the developers who have no interest (or no
experience) with one particular topic like this do in those 3 months?
I think people want to apply traditional software development
methodologies to open source deve
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am curious, besides some language quarks, like multidimentional
> arrays,
What's your problem with multi-dimensional arrays in PHP?
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http://sebastian-bergmann.de/ http://phpOpenTracker.de/
Did I help you? Consider a gif
Zeev Suraski wrote:
> Ok, just wondering, can you explain why, for an average person,
> learning PHP takes an average of the time it takes to learn Java?
Java has a much higher learning curve, because it more or less forces
the programmer to use object orientation. Which, for medium to large
"Stig S. Bakken" wrote:
> PHP has a _much_ higher cost for using objects. This has design
> implications that rules out designing your PHP code as you would do
> for Java.
Ah, here comes the beauty of SRM to play: I don't care about object
creation costs, if I have to create my objects only
Jani Taskinen wrote:
> Is something/someone preventing anyone from doing all this?
Look at the discussion that followed the proposition of bundling
libxml/libxslt with PHP.
> And doesn't ZE2 address almost all of those OO related things?
It does. Personally, I'm missing two things in Zend
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> A roadmap marked in stone is going to alienate people and make them
> less likely to go exploring down roads that whoever wrote the roadmap
> didn't think of.
Roadmaps can be changed. Or be short-termed. I think it'd be nice to
have a "roadmap" like: "In the next thr
Jani Taskinen wrote:
> SRM already exists... What it needs is people to really
> use it and report the bugs and missing features..and also
> some free time for the people working on it. :)
I'll have some time planned to spend on this soon.
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http://sebastian-bergmann.d
Björn Schotte wrote:
> Perhaps some more complexity to the language itself.
I don't think adding new language keywords (like 'private' or 'delete'
in Zend Engine 2) make the language more complex.
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Sebastian Bergmann
http://sebastian-bergmann.de/ http://phpOpenTracker.
> I am curious, besides some language quarks, like multidimentional arrays,
> what sorts of things can you do in Java which can not be done in PHP?
I'm actually curious about the multidimensional arrays point. Exactly
what do you mean? PHP can obviously do $a[1][2][3][4]...
-Rasmus
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PHP D
At 03:36 AM 6/3/2002 +0300, Jani Taskinen wrote:
>On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Andi Gutmans wrote:
>
> >At 04:21 PM 6/2/2002 +0200, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
> >>Jani Taskinen wrote:
> >> > I'm not that familiar with Java..so it would be nice to hear
> >> > what Java offers that PHP doesn't?
> >>
> >> Pr
If the file exists (you're over-writing it), chmod the file so that you have
write permission. If you're creating a file, chmod the directory you're
trying to create the file in so that you have write permission. I think this
should fix it.
"Melva Garcia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[EMAI
I don't think a dictator is needed. Even if I or someone else was to
dictate that PHP was a web-only scripting language, do you really think
that people would stop working on and using PHP for other things?
We can, and should, be able to reach concensus on these various issues.
And we definitely
It seems that the discussions recently go around this
same hot potato (under many different topics):
Missing vision and people standing behind it.
There are lot of different visions how PHP should
evolve or not. Two major disagreements seem to be
the environment where
On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Björn Schotte wrote:
>new machine) things like Application Server functionality
>(VL-SRM), native .NET and WebServices Support, better
SRM already exists... What it needs is people to really
use it and report the bugs and missing features..and also
some free time
On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Andi Gutmans wrote:
>At 04:21 PM 6/2/2002 +0200, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>>Jani Taskinen wrote:
>> > I'm not that familiar with Java..so it would be nice to hear
>> > what Java offers that PHP doesn't?
>>
>> Private members and methods, interfaces, Application Servers, Bea
On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>Jani Taskinen wrote:
>> I'm not that familiar with Java..so it would be nice to hear
>> what Java offers that PHP doesn't?
>
> Private members and methods, interfaces, Application Servers, Beans,
> Enterprise Beans.
>
> And coming back to the origi
I am getting the following error, and since i am a newbie at php not sure what the
problem
is can someone give me a clue.
it will create a article link but then you click on the article and it has not created
the
the article.. did i forget something
Add Article
Warning: fopen("article_2002
> Sebastian Bergmann Wrote:
> I love PHP, but I would like to design and implement my application
> the same way I could do with Java.
I think this is the problem. PHP is not Java, so it follows you would
probably need a different approach.
When I code something in assembler,
> Stig S. Bakken Wrote:
> But that is what you'll never get with PHP. Just look at how fast
> creating objects is in Java. Java revolves aroun on objects, they are
> created and destructed implicitly during execution of overloaded
> operators and everything. PHP has a _much_ higher cost fo
On Sat, 2002-06-01 at 02:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > I wish it became a default module, too.
>
> Sure, lets enable everything by default then. ODBC is very important too,
> and of course also encryption, so we need mcrypt and mhash, or
> There are also a number of people for whom the above is not enough.
> They strive for the possibilities the Java platform offers, without
> being forced to develop in a closed-source environment. As I said
> before, I really like Java as a language, but don't want to use the
> Java
On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 23:13, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
> Zeev Suraski wrote:
> > PHP can become stronger, but it will NEVER make a shift and become
> > Java.
>
> I don't want it to become Java.
>
> I want PHP to stay as simple as possible for beginners, simpler if
> possible as Shane poin
Need some help will barter my skills in return...this a simple thing i am sure.. i
want to do it
just need guidance.. in exchange i have very strong artistic design skills that i
often barter.
anyone who would be intrested Please email me @
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
thanks
Mel
-
At 12:13 AM 6/3/2002, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
> But, as I said before, I don't understand why simplicity should mean in
> its consequence that software designs you find these days in the Java
> World cannot be done with PHP. The essence (in one sentence) of what I
> would like to see:
>
Zeev Suraski wrote:
> PHP can become stronger, but it will NEVER make a shift and become
> Java.
I don't want it to become Java.
I want PHP to stay as simple as possible for beginners, simpler if
possible as Shane pointed out. Regarding this I think once the
PEAR/PECL infrastructure is
XML/SOAP seems to be worked on quite well
SRM will add interesting features, although it will have to be quite
mature before I will start integrating it into my framework
What I would like to see now is clean ups to the extensions and making
sure they work, are well documented and maintained.
Be
Zeev Suraski wrote:
> A multithreaded server running code is hardly what EJB is about.
No, but when people use the words "PHP" and "Application Server" in
conjunction, they mean a server that provides persistence for PHP
objects in the way SRM provides. SRM's Bananas have in my opinion the
At 09:23 PM 6/2/2002, Björn Schotte wrote:
>* Jani Taskinen wrote:
> > Could you explain in more detail what exactly these needs
> > would be?
>
>As Sebastian mentioned (sorry I couldn't reply earlier,
>we are currently moving PHP-Center/PHP-Conference to a
>new machine) things like Applic
At 09:13 PM 6/2/2002, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>Andi Gutmans wrote:
> > Are you aware how complex and expensive it is to create a Java
> > application server solution?
>
> Probably not. But I know that Derick et al. are doing a good job adding
> Application Server-like functionality to the "P
At 05:21 PM 6/2/2002, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>Jani Taskinen wrote:
> > I'm not that familiar with Java..so it would be nice to hear
> > what Java offers that PHP doesn't?
>
> Private members and methods, interfaces, Application Servers, Beans,
> Enterprise Beans.
Seriously, Sebastian, if t
Markus Fischer wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 04:21:48PM +0200, Sebastian Bergmann wrote :
>
>>Jani Taskinen wrote:
>>
>>>I'm not that familiar with Java..so it would be nice to hear
>>>what Java offers that PHP doesn't?
>>
>> And coming back to the original topic of this thread: perfect supp
On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 11:33:08AM -0700, Aaron Bannert wrote:
> I really wish people would stop quoting artificial dates for when the
> apache2filter will magically become stable, and just start using it
> and identifying problems. A few of us have put some great effort into
> making it usable, a
On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 04:16:17PM +0200, Melvyn Sopacua wrote:
> Will there be support for static compilation of php into apache2, as is the
> case with the 1.3.x sapi?
Apache 2 still doesn't have a standard way to deal with 3rd party
modules that wish to be staticall compiled. As soon as that
On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 06:52:35PM +0200, Daniel BODEA wrote:
> apache2filter is a long way from production status. A previous thread stated
> it's some 6 months away from real beta quality due to the lack of time from
> developers familiar with the apache 2 API. I plan on doing some work on this
* Jani Taskinen wrote:
> Could you explain in more detail what exactly these needs
> would be?
As Sebastian mentioned (sorry I couldn't reply earlier,
we are currently moving PHP-Center/PHP-Conference to a
new machine) things like Application Server functionality
(VL-SRM), native .NET an
> Jani Taskinen wrote:
>> I'm not that familiar with Java..so it would be nice to hear
>> what Java offers that PHP doesn't?
>
> Private members and methods, interfaces, Application Servers, Beans,
> Enterprise Beans.
>
> And coming back to the original topic of this thread: perfect
Andi Gutmans wrote:
> Are you aware how complex and expensive it is to create a Java
> application server solution?
Probably not. But I know that Derick et al. are doing a good job adding
Application Server-like functionality to the "PHP Platform" with SRM.
--
Sebastian Bergmann
http:/
At 18:52 2-6-2002, Daniel BODEA shared with all of us:
>apache2filter is a long way from production status. A previous thread stated
>it's some 6 months away from real beta quality due to the lack of time from
>developers familiar with the apache 2 API. I plan on doing some work on this
>myself b
At 04:21 PM 6/2/2002 +0200, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>Jani Taskinen wrote:
> > I'm not that familiar with Java..so it would be nice to hear
> > what Java offers that PHP doesn't?
>
> Private members and methods, interfaces, Application Servers, Beans,
> Enterprise Beans.
Are you aware how co
> There's a great difference here, apache2filter misses many of
> the functions provided by the apache sapi. The question is,
> is someone working on adding them or are they silently
> dropped?
>
> I'm asking for two reasons: consistency and documentation.
apache2filter is a l
On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Lukas Schroeder wrote:
> instead of modifying ./configure to allow grouping a set of --with{out}
> --{en|dis}able into one option (--basic, --bare, ...) i propose setting
> up brothers of ./config.nice like
>
> ./config.bare
> ./config.basic
> ./config.standard
> ./config.ever
Yeah, I guess so. It just isn't very clear how this is mapped to PHP in
the current docs. I will write up some better docs.
-Rasmus
On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
>
> > So you save the original array of sockets to pass back in. This is
On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 04:21:48PM +0200, Sebastian Bergmann wrote :
> Jani Taskinen wrote:
> > I'm not that familiar with Java..so it would be nice to hear
> > what Java offers that PHP doesn't?
>
> And coming back to the original topic of this thread: perfect support
> for XML and all rela
Jani Taskinen wrote:
> I'm not that familiar with Java..so it would be nice to hear
> what Java offers that PHP doesn't?
Private members and methods, interfaces, Application Servers, Beans,
Enterprise Beans.
And coming back to the original topic of this thread: perfect support
for XML an
Hi,
I finally got apache2.0.36 working on BSD/OS with php-4.2.1 - the key being
--without-tsrm on php and --disable-threads on apache2 - prefork mpm only.
However - this breaks both SIGHUP as SIGUSR1 ([Sat Jun 01 16:51:38 2002]
[notice] seg fault or similar nasty error detected in the parent pr
On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
> layout with some logic. For many of those, PHP is / was the first
> programming language they learned.
I wonder if that's good or bad thing? :)
> There are also a number of people for whom the above is not enough.
> They strive for the po
On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Björn Schotte wrote:
>It's great that PHP is so easy to learn and that you can
>get good results without investing too much time (and therefore,
>too much money). But as web sites get more and more complex
>(guestbooks are boring, integrating PHP applications into complex
>infr
* Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
> For most PHP programmers, mixing PHP and HTML (or using a template
> system of some kind to avoid this) is enough. These are the users of
> the "quick, powerful platform for creating web sites, in use by
> hundreds of thousands of people around the world."
I
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> So you save the original array of sockets to pass back in. This is why
> the C API has FD_ISSET() to check the result of a select(). I really
> don't like this current behaviour of socket_select(). It will confuse the
> hell out of anybody coming at
> Andrei solved it. It is because socket_select() mangles the passed
arrays
> so when you re-enter the call with the mangled $read array you are now
> only checking the sockets that happened to trigger the first time
through.
>
> It means you actually have to do:
>
> $read = array($sock1,$so
On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 04:21:33PM -0400, Dan Kalowsky wrote:
> When I state that things shouldn't be enabled by default, it is not
> towards making it harder for beginners. I would much rather see PHP
> using
> something like:
>
> ./configure --basic
> or
> ./configure --standard
> or some varia
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