On Tue, 24 Jan 2017, Robert Boyl wrote:
> I tried to report false positives to Razor, but it won't accept.
>
> In our system, headers are still being added after the message has been
> analyzed by Razor, so when you run the checksum on the complete message, you
> don't get the same result as wh
hi rob,
On Tue, 2017-01-24 at 13:09 -0200, Robert Boyl wrote:
> Hi, everyone
>
> I tried to report false positives to Razor, but it won't accept.
revoking in general works fine via
razor-revoke -f -d /mail (if not registered use 'razor-admin -create'
to create a default config in /etc/razor/ra
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 05:39:25PM +0200, John GALLET wrote:
> [...]
>I am just curious how, it is both in French and English (I have rarely if
>ever seen some *multilingual spam* and contains a direct URL to the
>online registration of the Ballet School it concerns. I do not see how
>anything c
First, thanks for your answer.
> The issue is that some person (or, more likely, some persons) reported your
> emails or emails that were very similar to yours to Razor.
This is a very low activity, we are talking less than an email a week
(which is why I really must get them as a push), and I
On 2015-09-30 4:24 am, John GALLET wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been getting some false positives from Razor recently. These are
> quite disrupting for me because I need the information, and since these
> emails only go out to notice a payment registration, they are also very
> disruptive to my clients
Kevin W. Gagel wrote:
Checking the razor2 itself indicated that the message(s)
were in-fact seen and reported as spam. Checking again
later, again with razor-client (not SA) the messages were
never seen at all.
Regardless of the conflicting data that I'm presenting...
The whole problem vanished
Kevin W. Gagel wrote:
No, it doesn't as Vipul pointed out. But if your using it
via SpamAssassin like I am then look to your Bayes database.
Ultimately that was where my problem was. I kept getting
accounts from Telus.net that were scoring high on the razor2
tests because - according to SA's baye
Subject: Re: [Razor-users] false positives with centos-announce list
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, Kevin W. Gagel announced authoritatively:
> Ultimately that was where my problem was. I kept getting accounts from
> Telus.net that were scoring high on the razor2 tests because -
> according to SA&#
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, Kevin W. Gagel announced authoritatively:
> Ultimately that was where my problem was. I kept getting
> accounts from Telus.net that were scoring high on the razor2
> tests because - according to SA's bayes db - razor2 had seen
> the message
This makes no sense, I'm afraid :( S
> From: Theo Van Dinter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Razor-users] false positives with centos-announce list
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 07:16:18AM -0800, Terry Griffin wrote:
>> Well this just gets better. Today's
>>>Would either (1) whoever is reporting centos-announce
>>>mailing list messages as spam please knock it off, or
>>>(2) if razor is doing this on it's own would someone
>>>please fix it.
>>>Revoking sometimes seems to help but it doesn't stick. At
>>>best it lasts for a day.
>> From: "Kevin
Nope.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry
Griffin
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:45 AM
To: razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Razor-users] false positives with centos-announce list
>
> From: "Kevin W. Gag
>
> From: "Kevin W. Gagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>Would either (1) whoever is reporting centos-announce
>>mailing list messages as spam please knock it off, or (2)
>>if razor is doing this on it's own would someone please
>>fix it.
>>
>>Revoking sometimes seems to help but it doesn't stick. At
>>
On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 07:16:18AM -0800, Terry Griffin wrote:
> Well this just gets better. Today's razor-users digest message, the
> one that includes yesterday's discussion (below) about the
> centos-announce mailing list, was flagged by razor as spam.
One of the URLs/domains in the message is
Well this just gets better. Today's razor-users digest message, the
one that includes yesterday's discussion (below) about the
centos-announce mailing list, was flagged by razor as spam.
Terry
Yesterday I wrote:
> Here you go. I could supply the actual messages if that would help.
> They are from
Here you go. I could supply the actual messages if that would help.
They are from public mailing list so it's not like I'd be revealing
any secrets. Or you could just subscribe to the list yourself and
watch the messages get flagged by razor.
http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-anno
Title: RE: [Razor-users] false positives with centos-announce list
Terry,
Can you send me the signatures for this message? (razor-check -H)
cheers,
vipul
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Terry Griffin
Sent: Mon 11/21/2005 8:47 AM
To: razor-users
>Would either (1) whoever is reporting centos-announce
>mailing list messages as spam please knock it off, or (2)
>if razor is doing this on it's own would someone please
>fix it.
>
>Revoking sometimes seems to help but it doesn't stick. At
>best it lasts for a day.
I was finding a similar proble
On Thu, 2005-03-02 at 17:53 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote:
This is not a good trend for razor. Not good at all. The addition of e8 has
boosted razor's hit rate substantially, but it's causing some really odd
FPs too.
I decided not to use this buggy, stupid signature engine anymore. But it tur
Hi, Evan:
Weirdly enough, your last message and the one titled [Forgot to attach
files] have been categorized as spam on GMail... just as a side note.
Greets
Luis Alberto
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:56:40 -0500, Evan Prodromou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-03-02 at 17:53 -0500, Matt Ket
On Thu, 2005-03-02 at 17:53 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote:
It looks like razor has any URLs pointing to bad.dynu.ca listed as
spamvertized URLs. And the mailman list is adding that URL in the footer.
Weird. Well, I'm pretty sure I'm the only person on this list who uses Razor, so I'm going to
At 04:51 PM 2/3/2005, Evan Prodromou wrote:
I've attached a copy of a sample mail from this list, as well as the
razor-check debug output. One of the signature algorithms is firing,
but I don't know the underbelly of razor to understand why. As far as
I know, razor doesn't use RBLs or sender blackl
hitelisted mail, but I haven't
written anything to do that yet.
Fox
- Original Message -
From: "Matt Kettler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ed Hennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Razo
Agreed, revocation is the way of dealing with bad submissions.
In this case, it is likely that someone has a spamtrap address that
auto-reports everything that comes in. Someone else may have maliciously
subscribed that spamtrap to this mailing list to get it reported, or it may
have been done
On 11 Feb 2003, 5:34pm (-), Dirk Koopman wrote:
> How is the attached spam? Should there be some simple checking going on
> somewhere in the system before accepting something as spam?
It's spam because somebody said it (or in this case probably something
like it) is spam. If you disagree, r
on Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 03:55:39PM -0700, Jordan Ritter wrote:
> It is _not_ okay for the SPAM decision process to be automated.
> Razor2/SpamNet is about human determination _only_. No bots, no
> machines, no algorithms. No message SPAM or otherwise should find its
> way into the network without
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 12:54:27PM -0700, John J. Stimson-III wrote:
>
> Solutions? I don't really know. Maybe increase the asymmetry between
> the penalty for bogus reports and the reward for good reports (an
> autoreporter could potentially make hundreds of good
> reports for every false posit
Andreas Schamanek said:
> > Autoreporting based on SpamAssassin score is something both the
> > Razor and SpamAssassin developers seem to think is a bad idea.
>
> Can you give us pointers?
(waves hands) I just said it about 10 msgs back ;)
--j.
--
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 07:26:37PM -0400, Ed Hennis wrote:
# I think this is a mistake in philosophy. I'm not a razor developer,
# but I am a developer.
Just in case it's not clear, I am a razor developer.
# So the way I see it, there are four choices:
# 1) Software: Change Razor itself so tha
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, 3:55pm (-0700), Jordan Ritter wrote:
> It is _not_ okay for the SPAM decision process to be automated.
> Razor2/SpamNet is about human determination _only_. No bots, no
> machines, no algorithms. No message SPAM or otherwise should find its
> way into the network without a h
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, 5:33pm (-0400), Chris Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 10:54:44PM +0200, Andreas Schamanek wrote:
> > To me it sounds like some people have not fully understood how Razor
> > works and why it actually (even version 1) works. One major reason why
> > there are not many
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 11:37:38PM +0200, Andreas Schamanek wrote:
# I have been asking this list here whether to auto-report or not to
# auto-report. And I was told to not report to Razor1 but to report
# to Razor2. That's what I am doing. And, I am reviewing the whole
# process. Falsely report
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Chris Johnson wrote:
>> BTW, I am auto-reporting and I am revoking falsely reported messages.
>
> I hope they revoke your ID.
Yeah, let's compare personal trust values. What is yours?
--
-- Andreas
---
This sf.net ema
Quoting Andreas Schamanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Jeffrey Taylor wrote:
[snip]
> > looks like it is turning Razor into a duplicate of SpamAssassin.
>
> This is something I just don't understand. SA and Razor follow 2
> completely different concepts. Razor can never be a mirror
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Matt Kettler wrote:
> Are you autoreporting from a spamtrap, or autoreporting based on
> SpamAssassin score? Your message does not mention SA, something mine
> did mention, and there's a significant difference.
We were all talking of SpamAssassin. So were I.
> Autoreporting
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 10:54:44PM +0200, Andreas Schamanek wrote:
> To me it sounds like some people have not fully understood how Razor
> works and why it actually (even version 1) works. One major reason why
> there are not many false positives is that a message which arrives at
> my mailbox and
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Jeffrey Taylor wrote:
> Only one or two percent of the mail I receive is direct to me.
Sure. But I guess that the intersection of your messages and my
messages are about 1 %.
> looks like it is turning Razor into a duplicate of SpamAssassin.
This is something I just don't
Only one or two percent of the mail I receive is direct to me. The
rest is mailing lists and newsletters. So no, Razor is not working
well for me. If I had other people helping me, it might. I had hoped
that Razor V2 would be an improvement, but the auto-reported stuff
looks like it is turning
Are you autoreporting from a spamtrap, or autoreporting based on
SpamAssassin score? Your message does not mention SA, something mine did
mention, and there's a significant difference.
Autoreporting in general is NOT a bad thing.
Autoreporting based on SpamAssassin score is something both the R
Get out your flame throwers! Here is one of these "blatantly ignorant
users": I *am* auto-reporting. And guess what: If Razor (and the other
similar services) would not let me do it I would write my own checksum
filter.
A message that came in and that for what ever reason was not tested
against R
on 10/24/02 8:42 AM, Jeffrey Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It has been argued somewhere that auto-reporting SpamAssassin tagged
> messages just turns Razor into a SpamAssassin mirror. I agree.
> If people want SpamAssassin, let them install it. Don't stuff it down
> their throat. Please
It has been argued somewhere that auto-reporting SpamAssassin tagged
messages just turns Razor into a SpamAssassin mirror. I agree.
If people want SpamAssassin, let them install it. Don't stuff it down
their throat. Please only report messages a human has looked at.
Thanks,
Jeffrey
Quoting J
Pipe the message into "/usr/bin/spamassassin -r".
HTH,
Jeffrey
Quoting Jeff Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> on 10/24/02 8:42 AM, Jeffrey Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > It has been argued somewhere that auto-reporting SpamAssassin tagged
> > messages just turns Razor into a SpamAssass
There is no easier way? I read my mail from my windows machines. Is there
anyway to forward the mail somewhere at Razor that will then include it in
the database?
Jeff
on 10/24/02 9:27 AM, Jeffrey Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Pipe the message into "/usr/bin/spamassassin -r".
>
> HTH,
> I suspect that there are some folks who are funneling non-verified or
> low-threshold SpamAssassin output into razor-report. If you're using
> SpamAssassin, please raise your threshold for reporting to Razor to at
> *least* 15 points (I still get false positives even in my 15-point
> box), or v
There may be. I do not know all platforms that Razor & SpamAssassin
run on, so I don't know what kind of platform tagged it in the first
place. Caveats aside, someone should be able to create an alias on
the MTA that pipes e-mails to a program, i.e., "spamassassin -r".
Jeffrey
Quoting Jeff Gros
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 06:11:16PM +0100, Justin Mason wrote:
> Just don't auto-report, full stop. That feature's been gone from
> SpamAssassin for a while, and for a good reason.
I only installed SpamAssassin recently, and didn't know that it had
ever had the facility to auto-report. However, u
The auto reporting facility was in the 2.2x series, and was removed in 2.3x.
Of course, some blatantly ignorant users of SA have decided to create
procmail recipes to autoreport based on the SA output anyway. It's highly
misguided, but some people insist it's a good idea and helpful despite
bei
No, there's no way to "just forward" the email because most mailclients
modify the body when forwarding. The body of the email must be 100%
unmodified for reporting to razor, no inserted >'s, no "forwarded message
below", just the pure, original email body that is as it was when it
arrived over
Nope.
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Jeff Grossman wrote:
> There is no easier way? I read my mail from my windows machines. Is there
> anyway to forward the mail somewhere at Razor that will then include it in
> the database?
>
> Jeff
>
> on 10/24/02 9:27 AM, Jeffrey Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With "razor-report".
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Jeff Grossman wrote:
> on 10/24/02 8:42 AM, Jeffrey Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > It has been argued somewhere that auto-reporting SpamAssassin tagged
> > messages just turns Razor into a SpamAssassin mirror. I agree.
> > If people want SpamA
ason.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:11 PM
To: John J. Stimson-III
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Razor-users] False positives / opt-in lists on Razor
> I suspect that there are some folks who are funneling non-verified or
> low-threshold SpamAssassin output into razor-rep
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