[Repeater-Builder] GP300-5T Serial

2010-10-12 Thread tonnwerk
Does anyone know how to change the serial number in GP300-5T? It probably has something to do with using Gput and messing with the codeplug, but how to identify the SN? Best 73

[Repeater-Builder] RC100 expert sought

2010-10-12 Thread Geert Jan de Groot
I'm looking for a RC100 expert: a good friend is helping a local group of handicapped scouts (wheelchair kids, 12-18 years old) and wants to use his repeater and IRLP for the upcoming JOTA next weekend. Unfortunately, the RC100 controller lost it's configuration. The controller has 2 ports, one

[Repeater-Builder] Re: 6 Meter Repeater

2010-09-09 Thread burkleoj
Charles, Welcome to the world of 6 Meter repeaters. They can be a lot of fun. In Missouri you are a little better off frequency and duplexer wise due to your 1.7 MHz split between transmit and receive frequencies. For radios it depends if you are a GE or Motorola person. If you are a GE

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-09 Thread DCFluX
An additional 20dB of isolation can be realized by replacing the antenna Tee connector with a circulator. Port A to B tuned to the TX frequency, Port B to C tuned to the RX frequency. Connect TX to port A, antenna to B, Receiver to C. I'm using a set of WP-639 and with this setup I am seeing

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-09 Thread NORM KNAPP
Oh drat! I thought I was getting away with something :-) I am about to start on a 6m mastr ii with 1 meg split. It is a 110 watt cont duty station I am converting to a repeater. I don't think the exciter is a pll, way too many cans on the board and small icom About how much isolation

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-09 Thread Leroy A. M. Baptiste
Hi Scott, can you give me some more information on circulators, or where can I get such information and prices. -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DCFluX Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:03 AM To:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Possible to purchase IRLP node numbers for AllStar nodes to thus enable IRLP connections on AllStar system?

2010-09-09 Thread Rick Szajkowski
whats bs ? if they want to use IRLP on there Allstar node then build the software to allow it to run with IRLP Just like the Echolink-IRLP guys did .. you cant run both at the same time but saves having more then 1 pc at the repeater site On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Kris Kirby

[Repeater-Builder] FT100-D

2010-09-09 Thread gabriel
Hello Do you know if the programming protocol of the FT100-D is available somewhere ? Gabe

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-09 Thread Chuck Kelsey
4 cans will do it. Preamp may or may not be of any use depending on noise floor. Your bigger problem is all the noise that a mobile encounters these days. Sometimes it's tough to hear the repeater through all the crap that's out there. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: NORM

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Possible to purchase IRLP node numbers for AllStar nodes to thus enable IRLP connections on AllStar system?

2010-09-09 Thread Skip
if they want to use IRLP on there Allstar node then build the software to allow it to run with IRLP Just like the Echolink-IRLP guys did .. you cant run both at the same time but saves having more then 1 pc at the repeater site Which is exactly what they did. Bottom line is if you

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-09 Thread larryjspamme...@teleport.com
WACOM hasn't been in business for some years now. Good luck contacting them directly! -Original Message- From: Richard Kelly Sent: Sep 8, 2010 9:18 PM To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question Good evening Eric,

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-09 Thread Steven M Hodell
WACOM was bought out my Telewave and there tech support staff is very helpful… http://telewave.com/ You can cross reference your older Wacom cavities with their new product line at these links: http://www.telewave.com/pricelist/wacom.html

[Repeater-Builder] Re: 6 Meter Repeater

2010-09-09 Thread skipp025
Re: 6 Meter Repeater Charles Rader kc5...@... wrote: I am tossing around the idea of building a 6 meter repeater. This will have to be single site if I do this. What are you guys using for the repeater, duplexer, and antenna? In addition to the other radio brands and models listed by

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-09 Thread larryjspamme...@teleport.com
From the Repeater-Builder website: WACOM and Remec WACOM started out as Waco Communications in Waco, Texas. At some point WACOM was bought by Remec, and in November of 2001 was sold to TX-RX. TX-RX has since been purchased by Bird Technologies Group. I've tried several times to contact them

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Possible to purchase IRLP node numbers for AllStar nodes to thus enable IRLP connections on AllStar system?

2010-09-09 Thread Rick Szajkowski
I have been an IRLP owner for I would say 10 years now .. when the node #'s were 3 numbers not 4 .. its a great service just like Echo-Link and now D-Star and others .. now to get D-Star and IRLP to play :) that would be fun ! On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Skip freebsd...@hotmail.com wrote:

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 6 Meter Repeater

2010-09-09 Thread Charles Rader
Not there yet. I don't even have a 6 meter rig. I am looking at getting the Yaesu FT-8900R for my first 6 meter. Any ways, I have built Master II Repeater, Micor Repeaters, and Lots of Mitrek Repeaters. So I am more familiar with Motorola than GE but I can handle both. Never built anything below 2

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions - Thanks for the answers

2010-09-08 Thread Thomas Oliver
I agree. The users would not even notice if you cut the power in half. One 2 meter repeater we took over was running on the 10 watt exciter with the amp bypassed for I don't know how long. The caretaker before we got it bypassed the amp because of desense or intermod or self oscillation

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions - Thanks for the answers

2010-09-08 Thread Chuck Kelsey
More likely he had the radio programmed wrong. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: MCH m...@nb.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions - Thanks for

[Repeater-Builder] Wildfire at the Boulder, CO repeater site

2010-09-08 Thread Nate Duehr
Thought the RB list might be interested in this one. Here's a photo of one of our Colorado Repeater Association repeater sites near Boulder, CO Monday afternoon around 4PM. http://www.9news.com/9slideshows/09-06-10-Boulder-fire-aerials/9703.jpg (Sorry it's small, use your browser's zoom

[Repeater-Builder] schematic and/or pinout diagram, Maxar 80, D51TSA4000BK

2010-09-08 Thread KP3FT
Hi all, Does anyone have a scanned schematic and/or a pinout diagram for a Maxar 80 lowband? I moving one that is presently at 49.520 MHz, up to 50.065 MHz, but have no idea what the pins are for PTT, etc. There is no microphone or other cables that came with the radio. Thanks for any help.

[Repeater-Builder] Can't get Vertex VXR5000 to program

2010-09-08 Thread wspx472
I got this to work before but now, no joy. I am using CE8 software, have the correct cable, and an older DOS PC. I get either a box saying there was communication problems or it quickly flashes Done! but hasn't actually read the repeater. Is there some special trick I have forgotten?

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Can't get Vertex VXR5000 to program

2010-09-08 Thread Gary W. Gibbs
Read the repeater first NIMS: 100 200 300 400 700 800 Arrl Extra Class VE HAZ MAT- A O sent from my blackberry mobile device -Original Message- From: wspx472 wpxs...@gmail.com Sender: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:24:15 To:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Can't get Vertex VXR5000 to program

2010-09-08 Thread Maire-Radios
the last time that happened to me I needed a new cable. - Original Message - From: wspx472 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:24 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Can't get Vertex VXR5000 to program I got this to work before but

Re: [Repeater-Builder] schematic and/or pinout diagram, Maxar 80, D51TSA4000BK

2010-09-08 Thread George Henry
I know that they are available on the Batlabs site...  try http://www.batlabs.com/nosynth.html and scroll down to the Moxy section.  I believe that the pinouts for the Maxar, Maxar 80, and Moxy were all the same. George, KA3HSW / WQGJ From: KP3FT kp...@yahoo.com To:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] schematic and/or pinout diagram, Maxar 80, D51TSA4000BK

2010-09-08 Thread Jeff KP3FT
Hi George, Thanks for the reply.  I had downloaded the diagram for the Moxy earlier from that website, but discovered the connector is different for the Maxar 80.  Not sure if the pinout #s are the same though.  I could spend the money and get a manual, but that is another 20 dollars and more

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Can't get Vertex VXR5000 to program

2010-09-08 Thread wspx472
That's what I was trying to do. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Gary W. Gibbs ke5...@... wrote: Read the repeater first NIMS: 100 200 300 400 700 800 Arrl Extra Class VE HAZ MAT- A O sent from my blackberry mobile device -Original Message- From: wspx472

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Can't get Vertex VXR5000 to program

2010-09-08 Thread Gary W. Gibbs
That has happened to me twice and I read it then it would program. Sorry it didn't help you. NIMS: 100 200 300 400 700 800 Arrl Extra Class VE HAZ MAT- A O sent from my blackberry mobile device -Original Message- From: wspx472 wpxs...@gmail.com Sender:

[Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-08 Thread RichardK
Good evening, our club has a Wacom WP-639 four can duplexer as part of our repeater system. Input Fq is 147.915 and Output Fq is 147.315. We have a 600kHz (+) offset. Very simply, our main problem is when we run the transmitter at full power 100 watts, there is a HUGE desense on the receive

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-08 Thread Andrew Seybold
What repeater are you running? Is it a GE Mastr II by chance? Andy From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RichardK Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:11 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-08 Thread Ken Arck
At 03:11 PM 9/8/2010, RichardK wrote: Good evening, our club has a Wacom WP-639 four can duplexer as part of our repeater system. Input Fq is 147.915 and Output Fq is 147.315. We have a 600kHz (+) offset. Very simply, our main problem is when we run the transmitter at full power 100 watts,

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-08 Thread Ken Arck
At 04:38 PM 9/8/2010, Andrew Seybold wrote: What repeater are you running? Is it a GE Mastr II by chance? ---You hinting at the issue of Mastr II amp going spurious when the power is turned down too far? Ken --

Re: [Repeater-Builder] schematic and/or pinout diagram, Maxar 80, D51TSA4000BK

2010-09-08 Thread Jeff KP3FT
Hi George, If you don't mind going to the trouble, that would be great.  Just verifying if the pin number/functions are the same as the Moxy would be good because I already have the Moxy pinout. 73 Jeff KP3FT --- On Wed, 9/8/10, George Henry ka3...@att.net wrote: From: George Henry

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-08 Thread Richard Kelly
i'm at work right now--I will get that info tomorrow!! Rich K W2RRK x To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: aseyb...@andrewseybold.com Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 16:38:49 -0700 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question What repeater are you running? Is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-08 Thread Kevin Custer
On 9/8/2010 6:11 PM, RichardK wrote: Good evening, our club has a Wacom WP-639 four can duplexer as part of our repeater system. Input Fq is 147.915 and Output Fq is 147.315. We have a 600kHz (+) offset. Very simply, our main problem is when we run the transmitter at full power 100

[Repeater-Builder] Possible to purchase IRLP node numbers for AllStar nodes to thus enable IRLP connections on AllStar system?

2010-09-08 Thread Kent Johnson
Bcc to 2010 VoIP Conference List -Original Message- From: David Cameron (IRLP) [mailto:dcame...@irlp.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:56 AM To: Kent Johnson Subject: Re: Possible to purchase IRLP node numbers for AllStar Kent, the short answer is no. I have had far too many

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-08 Thread Eric Lemmon
I'm not surprised- you're asking too much of a duplexer that has four 5 cans. According to my CommShop program, a duplexer with an 80 dB spec is more suitable with transmitter power in the 10-15 watt range, assuming a solid-state PA and a receiver sensitivity around 0.35 uV at 12 dB SINAD. On a

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-08 Thread Richard Kelly
Good evening Eric, Maybe this is why when the trasmit power is dropped to the 20-50 watt range, the receive opens way up like it should. However, according to the spec sheets regarding the Wacom SP-639 Duplexer, it is rated for 200 watts. So, again, not sure what's going on. We will be

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-08 Thread Ken Arck
At 06:18 PM 9/8/2010, Richard Kelly wrote: We will be trying other things such as adding a second ground rod outside the shack instead of the single one we use now. We will also try isolating the amp some more and replacing the coax feed line with hard line. --That is a complete waste

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-08 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
Rich, Eric speaks the truth. The will HANDLE 200 watts without arcing, etc, but do not provide nearly enough isolation at 600 KHz spacing to handle 100 watts. For a 35 watt transmitter, I run cans that provide around 96 dB of isolation. the 85 dB your cans can provide just ain't gonna cut

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-08 Thread Joe
I'm afraid your wasting your time. According to the document for the Wacom 639 duplexer, this is what it says: MIN. FREQ. SPACING: 600 KHz POWER: TO 200 WATTS Notice that it says TO 200 watts. That would be if you were at 2MHz of spacing or more. You are only at 600KHz spacing, so you

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-08 Thread Richard Kelly
Hello again Ken, Thank you for replying with more info, we appreciate it. My email address if you want to get off this posting is w2...@arrl.net How would we go about providing MORE isolation than what we have done so far? Rich Kelly W2RRK x To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-08 Thread no6b
At 9/8/2010 18:24, you wrote: At 06:18 PM 9/8/2010, Richard Kelly wrote: We will be trying other things such as adding a second ground rod outside the shack instead of the single one we use now. We will also try isolating the amp some more and replacing the coax feed line with hard

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-08 Thread NORM KNAPP
I got a set of 4 sinclair cans, like a Q202g on a GE mastr II running 100 watts with pll exciter and GE preamp with no desense. Antenna is roughly 300' away fed with LDF7-50A. Is this a miracle or typical? - Original Message - From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-08 Thread Scott Zimmerman
Rich, The short answer is: You need to find a bigger duplexer. Four 8 cans would work well such as a Wacom WP-641. You could simply call and order one if Wacom was still in business. (RIP) Unfortunately Tx/Rx bought them years ago for the name and to quash competition. They can be found

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-08 Thread Ken Arck
At 08:21 PM 9/8/2010, n...@no6b.com wrote: Replacing copper-braided coax with RG-214 or hardline is hardly a waste of time. --Notice I said: More grounding and replacing coax with hardline (unless your coax isn't doubleshield to start with) will buy you nothing. I was assuming he wasn't

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-08 Thread Jeff DePolo
The PLL exciter is why you're having such good success running a 4-cavity duplexer. If you had a PM exciter, chances are you'd be experiencing desense. The PLL exciter produces about 22 dB less noise at 600 kHz offset, reducing the noise supression requirement of the duplexer by a like amount.

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Wacom WP-639 Duplexer question

2010-09-08 Thread burkleoj
Rich, While there have been a lot of good suggestions thrown at you, you are fighting an uphill battle without knowing the spec's that were obtained when the duplexer was re-tuned the last time or finding someone with a tracking generator or network analyzer to verify the duplexer tuning.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Possible to purchase IRLP node numbers for AllStar nodes to thus enable IRLP connections on AllStar system?

2010-09-08 Thread Kris Kirby
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010, Kent Johnson wrote: Bcc to 2010 VoIP Conference List -Original Message- From: David Cameron (IRLP) [mailto:dcame...@irlp.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:56 AM To: Kent Johnson Subject: Re: Possible to purchase IRLP node numbers for AllStar Kent,

[Repeater-Builder] 6 Meter Repeater

2010-09-08 Thread Charles Rader
I am tossing around the idea of building a 6 meter repeater. This will have to be single site if I do this. What are you guys using for the repeater, duplexer, and antenna? Thanks, Charles KC5DGC

[Repeater-Builder] Manual for Data Signal, Inc ID/SM-700 CW IDer/Site Monitor

2010-09-07 Thread k8cop
I have searched the internet an cannot find a manual for this ider. Any one have a pdf copy of how to program/interface it to a repeater? Thanks, Jim, K8COP k8...@arrl.net

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-07 Thread Milt
Sinad is done with a 1000 Hz tone at 3KHz deviation and requires a meter that can notch out the 1K tone and measure the remaining noise. 20dBQ is done with no modulation 2 Vac of sq noise w/ no carrier then generate unmodulated carrier till the ACVM indicates 0.2 Vac A major difference in the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-07 Thread Tim Sawyer
Yes, meter 4 shows the channel element is on frequency. If by IF alignment you mean injecting 11.7 Mhz and setting meter 4 to zero, yes I checked that. It was not far off. -- Tim :wq On Sep 7, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Milt wrote: Is the meter 4 circuit showing that the channel element is on

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-07 Thread skipp025
Sinad is done with a 1000 Hz tone at 3KHz deviation and requires a meter that can notch out the 1K tone and measure the remaining noise. 20dBQ is done with no modulation 2 Vac of sq noise w/ no carrier then generate unmodulated carrier till the ACVM indicates 0.2 Vac Both the above

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Moto Micor 123.0 Vibrasender

2010-09-07 Thread Mike Morris
At 09:30 AM 09/07/10, you wrote: Anyone help me out with this part? Terry wx3m.te...@gmail.com What model number? There are several different physical packages. If you don't know the reed number, can you tell us what radio? Mike WA6ILQ

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Moto Micor 123.0 Vibrasender

2010-09-07 Thread terry_wx3m
It would be a KLN6210A Micor PL Encode Reed --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Morris wa6...@... wrote: At 09:30 AM 09/07/10, you wrote: Anyone help me out with this part? Terry wx3m.te...@... What model number? There are several different physical packages. If you

[Repeater-Builder] To DVP or not to DVP

2010-09-07 Thread Tim Sawyer
Hmmm... I didn't realize the DVP has a wider IF. I gather DVP requires up to 6 Khz of audio. So now I'm thinking that this receiver is not suitable for my busy hill (Santiago Peak). What do you think? -- Tim :wq On Sep 6, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Jeff DePolo wrote: The SP docs show it being a DVP

[Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions - Thanks for the answers

2010-09-07 Thread W3ML
Thanks to everyone for their comments and answers about my questions. I did turn it back so I am sure someone will say something. Once when a ham said he could not hit it, I drove over and sat outside his house with a 25 watt radio and brought it up with an S8 signal. It seems when a repeater

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Moto Micor 123.0 Vibrasender

2010-09-07 Thread spikie622
Found 3 (3A) 123.0 1 TLN 6709B 1 KLN 6209A 1 TLN 8381A If they are of any use to you. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, terry_wx3m wx3m.te...@... wrote: Anyone help me out with this part? Terry wx3m.te...@...

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Moto Micor 123.0 Vibrasender

2010-09-07 Thread spikie622
Make that 3Z, my bad. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, spikie622 spikie...@... wrote: Found 3 (3A) 123.0 1 TLN 6709B 1 KLN 6209A 1 TLN 8381A If they are of any use to you. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, terry_wx3m wx3m.terry@ wrote: Anyone help me out with this

RE: [Repeater-Builder] To DVP or not to DVP

2010-09-07 Thread Jeff DePolo
If you have a nearby first adjacent (especially at 20 kHz), you might be better off with a standard receiver. Might be worth measuring it and comparing it against a standard receiver - I'd be curious to hear the results as I've never done that test myself.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions - Thanks for the answers

2010-09-07 Thread MCH
His antenna could be in a null. It happens, as Murphy is a ham. Joe M. W3ML wrote: Thanks to everyone for their comments and answers about my questions. I did turn it back so I am sure someone will say something. Once when a ham said he could not hit it, I drove over and sat outside his

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions - Thanks for the answers

2010-09-07 Thread Glenn (Butch) Kanvick
Hi John. Sometimes you might not want to tel the others what you do to the repeater, then they cannot complain about any adjustments that you make. Butch, KE7FEL/r On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 4:12 PM, W3ML w...@arrl.net wrote: Thanks to everyone for their comments and answers about my questions.

[Repeater-Builder] no power out of duplexer

2010-09-06 Thread W3ML
Hi, First, let me say that we are still new to the repeater business and learning as we go. This the first time in 30 ham years that I have been involved with a VHF repeater system. Our repeater was working okay at 80 watts out of GE Mastr II and 60 watts out of Duplexer. When I turn the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] no power out of duplexer

2010-09-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Sounds like a bad cable/connector. Are there any adaptors or elbows? They could be suspect. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: W3ML w...@arrl.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 9:37 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] no power out of duplexer

Re: [Repeater-Builder] no power out of duplexer

2010-09-06 Thread Joe
What make and model is the duplexer? I know of one instance that the loop inside the duplexer can come disconnected due to a bad solder joint, but can't remember what one it was. A search on this list should find it, as it was discussed recently. The first thing would be to check all

[Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions

2010-09-06 Thread W3ML
Thanks Joe. We did most of those and then found the problem. The T-connector center pin had broken off when we apparently hooked up some test equipment and did not notice it. I still have one question though. Is it normal to have 100 watts coming out of radio and only 70 watts coming out

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions

2010-09-06 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
WACOM specs their 6 cavity pass-reject cans at 2.2dB insertion loss. 2.0 dB down from 100 watts is 63 watts, so you're doing good. Remember, 3dB is going to take your power down 50%. 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions

2010-09-06 Thread Joe
I agree with Mike. 100 watts in, 70 watts out is about 1.5dB loss. That looks very good for a Wacom. What is the model of your duplexer? The WP-643 had a single bandpass can on each side that might change the estimated loss. Did you happen to look at the reflected power when you took the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Unidentified part in msf5000 vhf station

2010-09-06 Thread Eric Lemmon
Its size and location in the RF path suggests that it is an optional preselector. It should have five adjustment screws with locknuts, and bear the designation TFD1011 or TFD1012. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions

2010-09-06 Thread Ralph Mowery
Depending on the frequency seperation it sounds like it is in the ball park.  Maybe even not enough loss.  Quick in the head math short cut is that 1 db is about 25%.  That would give you 75 watts out of the duplexer for 100 watts in.  If it is 3 db, that is half power or 50 watts out for 100

[Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Tim Sawyer
I have a Micor base that was manufactured in the ham band. Model is C64RXB3196A-SP71. The receiver model number is TRE1241A-SP10 (420-450 Mhz). It came with 4 channels all tuned up and on frequency in the ham band. But the receiver is sensitivity is .72 mv for 20 db quieting on the best channel

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Unidentified part in msf5000 vhf station

2010-09-06 Thread Bill
My guess is that it is the harmonic filter, with the left coax leading to the pa or circulator if it has one... . bill w4oo . . --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, wb5oxq wb5...@... wrote: I just aquired a second msf5000 to make a 2 meter repeater our of and it has a part

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Eric Lemmon
Tim, Please confirm that you measured the sensitivity as 0.72 millivolts, or 720 uV- about 2400 times worse than the 0.3 uV you expect. Such a huge disparity points to a failed transistor or a shorted capacitor on the receive board. Perhaps your next step is to perform voltage checks and

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Tim Sawyer
Eric, It's 0.72 microvolts. Not totally dead, just a bit numb. -- Tim :wq On Sep 6, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Eric Lemmon wrote: Please confirm that you measured the sensitivity as 0.72 millivolts, or 720 uV

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
There are shield covers on the RX board that need to be pulled off and have the ground pins cleaned. I watched a Motorola service shop do that and the sensitivity came back. He turned to me and said you'd have been forever figuring that one out. Don't ask me why, but I saw it work. Chuck

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Eric Lemmon
Ah, what a difference a factor of 1,000 makes! Okay, the manual spec is 0.5 uV without a preamp and 0.25 uV with a preamp, when using the 20 dB quieting method, and 0.35 and 0.175 respectively when using the 12 dB SINAD method. Try connecting your service monitor directly to the input jack on the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Glenn (Butch) Kanvick
Hello Tim. I think the specs on your Micor are 402-430, But I could be wrong. What freq was it crystalled on before you retuned it? Also what is the frequency you tuned it on now? That gives us better information as to where it was and where you tuned it to. Butch, KE7FEL/r On Mon, Sep 6, 2010

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Oz-in-DFW
Stuff to try: 1. Verify that the LO multiplier chain is peaked correctly. I've seen a bunch of these that exhibit this symptom that had mistuned LO chains. 2. Feed the test signal into the RX directly. If you see good sensitivity, you know where to looks ;-) 3. Take

Re: [Repeater-Builder] SIMPLEX software

2010-09-06 Thread John
Yes, I have used it when I need a simplex station John, K4AG gabriel wrote: Hello Just for stats, does anyone use the SIMPLEX software by F6DQM to manage its repeater ? Gab

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Tim Sawyer
I'm getting about 0.35 for 12 db SINAD. But that looks about 10 db quieting to me. What I typically do is open the squelch with no signal and set the volume to 2 Vac then crank up the signal to 0.2 vac. Isn't that 20 db, or am I missing something? -- Tim :wq On Sep 6, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Eric

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread John J. Riddell
2V AC down to .2 v. AC is 20 DB quieting John VE3AMZ - Original Message - From: Tim Sawyer To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity I'm getting about 0.35 for 12 db SINAD. But that

[Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions

2010-09-06 Thread W3ML
Hi Joe, I have a CN-801 Daiwa and it showed 0.1 on reflected side. So that is not too bad. Wacom model is 639 -6 We have no desense and a range of about 30 miles at best in all directions. We were not wanting a large area of coverage, as it is used for the county emergency RACES/ARES

[Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions

2010-09-06 Thread W3ML
Mike, Joe and Ralph, Thank you all for the great information about the power loss. As I stated earlier, I am still earning about this repeater stuff. In the past year and half I have learned more about repeaters than I knew in the first 29 years of being a ham. It is great! I believe one

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Tim Sawyer
Yea, I think 20 db quieting is more like 0.175 uV 12 db SINAD. -- Tim :wq On Sep 6, 2010, at 12:52 PM, John J. Riddell wrote: 2V AC down to .2 v. AC is 20 DB quieting

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions

2010-09-06 Thread Tim Sawyer
In that spirit. Going from 80 to 100 watts is 0.97 db better. That's probably not an improvement your users will notice. When one considers what a pain it is when the PA dies, it might not be worth it. Just my 2 cents but I think you're better off leaving the amp at 80 watts. -- Tim :wq On Sep

[Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions

2010-09-06 Thread W3ML
Okay Tim. That sounds like a wise idea especially since we have an old GE Mastr II and may not take much use at full power out. Thanks and 73 John, W3ML --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Tim Sawyer tisaw...@... wrote: In that spirit. Going from 80 to 100 watts is 0.97 db better.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions

2010-09-06 Thread Paul Plack
John, here's a more subtle lesson on repeaters, and it has nothing to do with hardware... If you dial the power back 1 dB, your PA may be much happier. If you simultaneously change the courtesy beep to be 10% faster, users will ask you what's changed on the repeater. Tell them you've increased

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions

2010-09-06 Thread petedcurtis
Hi, 70 watts out sounds OK. Duplexer's usually have about a 1 - 2db loss depends how they are set up, size of cavities etc and the model type. Duplexer loss = 10log(Pin/Pout) Duplexer Loss = 10Log(70/100)= -1.54dB. Peter On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:54 AM, W3ML w...@arrl.net

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Tim Sawyer
The Micor book says less than 0.5 uV for 20db quieting or 0.35 for 12 db SINAD. So the two are in fact equivalent. I get better than 0.35 for 12 db SINAD but I don't measure 0.5 for 20 db quieting. I must be doing something wrong. -- Tim :wq On Sep 6, 2010, at 12:52 PM, John J. Riddell wrote:

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions

2010-09-06 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
Paul speaks the truth. I had one fellow who always insisted something was wrong with the repeater when the foliage came on the trees every spring. I tried to explain to him that the leaves and humidity were attenuating the signal and that it was just a fact of life for the fringe-area users.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Jeff DePolo
Not all voltmeters behave the same with complex AC waveforms (such as noise). Some of my Flukes are inaccurate at higher AC frequencies (like above a few hundred Hz) - and they're spec'ed that way. What kind of meter are you using, and where are you measuring (speaker terminals is where you

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions

2010-09-06 Thread Joe
I agree. Put it back to the original output. I always like to turn my stuff back at least 10%. Turn the beep tone up in volume, tell them you increased the power. see what they say. 73, Joe, K1ike On 9/6/2010 5:04 PM, Paul Plack wrote: John, here's a more subtle lesson on repeaters,

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions

2010-09-06 Thread Jeff DePolo
Or speed up the CWID one or two WPM, or change to a slightly higher tone frequency. Top 40 stations sometimes still do this trick (pitching up their CD players or automation system playback speed maybe 1%) - some PD's are convinced that it improves ratings for one reason or another...

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Tim Sawyer
I have tried with 3 volt meters and 2 SINAD meters: a Fluke 77, a Sinadder 3 (SINAD AC voltmeter) and a HP8924c. Pretty much same results with all. That is 20 db quieting around 0.7 uV, SINAD around 0.35. So what's the recommended meter? Should I trust the SINAD reading and chock the quieting

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Jeff DePolo
I have tried with 3 volt meters and 2 SINAD meters: a Fluke 77, a Sinadder 3 (SINAD AC voltmeter) and a HP8924c. Pretty much same results with all. That is 20 db quieting around 0.7 uV, SINAD around 0.35. So what's the recommended meter? Should I trust the SINAD reading and chock the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Eric Lemmon
Readers interested in this thread may find the following articles to be relevant: www.repeater-builder.com/measuring-sensitivity/measuring-sensitivity.html www.repeater-builder.com/tech-info/receiversensitivity.html 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From:

[Repeater-Builder] 19D424089G1

2010-09-06 Thread Larry Wagoner
Anyone have one of the above they wish to part with? We have reason to suspect the PA in our repeater. It has developed various intermittent behaviors (dropping carrier, distorted audio, varying output, etc.) .. I believe this to be the 60 watt PA for the GE Mastr II Exec II mobile radio

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 19D424089G1

2010-09-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
I believe you are talking about an Exec II. Several places to check before replacing the PA. A common problem is the jumper between the exciter and the PA. The RCA connectors sometimes go intermittent. Also, if the TR relay hasn't been jumpered, it could have gone intermittent. Chuck WB2EDV

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions

2010-09-06 Thread Ian Wells
Guys .I have a similar problem with 2 repeaters but its in the receiver side .The maxon sm4450uhf receiver is tuned to the best it can be on the service monitor -115db and the bpbr duplexer is tuned to correct specs as far as I can see on the hp8921a .I have also tested the repeater in duplex mode

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 19D424089G1

2010-09-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Larry - This is either an Exec II or a Mastr II - two different radios. The Exec II mobile is 'gray' and has a plastic, non-movable handle. The Mastr II mobile has a foldable handle. Which one do you have? Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Larry Wagoner

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