Victaulic have one which is a bunch of cut groove couplings with stubs of
pipe between. As it uses couplings that would be Approved it should be
Approvable if not already listed,
Russell Gregory
Christchurch
New Zealand
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Protecting a light hazard Boys and Girls Club. I excluded an exterior, but
covered, attached and open play area. Non-combustible. It’s a couple
thousand square feet. I excluded using NFPA 13 2013 8.15.7
Client is telling me that he her other fire sprinkler guys telling him he
needs sprinklers in
Assuming there’s play equipment there (fire load) and knowing that there are
kids occupying the space, I wouldn’t call this an “exterior projection”. It’s
a shad structure with occupancy below and IMO requires sprinkler protection.
SML
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I'm working on project that has a coating room that uses MEK and acetone.
We were already protecting the exterior tanks with a foam deluge system,
and now we've been asked to do a wet foam system in the coating room, the
exhaust duct, and the dust collector.
So this all falls under NFPA 33, I get
I can appreciate your opinion, but I need a code reference. 😉
John Irwin
DynaFire Inc. – “*Same Day – Next Day*”
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Assum
8.15.7.5.
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I can appreciate your opinion, but I need a code reference. 😉
John Irw
I vote no sprinklers required -- open and noncombustible- the
rockinghorse on a spring is like a newspaper machine - there will
always be just one of them- not one today and twelve tomorrow.
Brad.
Quoting Steve Leyton :
8.15.7.5.
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Yeah, but that stuff they put on the ground is shredded tires. So... I guess
start looking at tire storage criteria. Probably go ESFR in that area.
-Kyle M
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It has a concrete slab.
On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 3:53 PM Kyle.Montgomery
wrote:
> Yeah, but that stuff they put on the ground is shredded tires. So... I
> guess start looking at tire storage criteria. Probably go ESFR in that area.
>
> -Kyle M
>
> -Original Message-
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I'm not sure assuming the worst is the way to go. Additionally, 2/3 of the
covered area is concrete basketball court.
John Irwin
DynaFire Inc.
Tampa Fire Sprinkler Division
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Y'all need to read the definition of "Building" in the Building Code:
"Any structure used or intended for supporting or sheltering any use or
occupancy."
It doesn't mention walls or doors, it doesn't mention construction type or
combustibility of materials. So the area in question IS a bu
It dosent say those things because it's outside the building Steve.
It's a shade structure, like you meant. Sprinklers would just make a
big mess. Open on three sides and non-comb means no life safety issue
and if that's where it starts it won't get inside before the FD gets
there. These 12-
No it ISN'T outside "the" building. It's attached and by definition it's a
building and it doesn’t matter if it's open or not. If a fire starts under
this structure it could spread to the building it's attached to easily - or are
you 100% certain that a Boys and Girls Club is going to keep al
In western Washington we call it a rain shelter.
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 14:06, bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com wrote:
>
> It dosent say those things because it's outside the building Steve.
> It's a shade structure, like you meant. Sprinklers would just make a big
> mess. Open on th
In Kansas we call it a 'carport', or if it is only open on the front,
a 'lean-to'.
I will admit though, ~2000 s.f. of this is kind of scary.
Good thing you excluded it John (hopefully you had it figured but it
was just the dif between 20 and 25% profit.
b.
Quoting Bruce Verhei :
In weste
I was thinking about all the Porte Coches that I don't protect when looking at
this job. I've done Porte Cochres larger than this and not needed protection.
Personally I think idling cars present a higher risk of fire than a concrete
basketball court.
John Irwin
DynaFire Inc.
Tampa Fire Spri
I was kidding. Probably should have added a smiley face or something.
-Kyle M
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Yeah I didn't think you meant tire storage for real but some are making
suggestions based on some assumptions of what will and will not be under the
overhang or whether or not doors will be left open. But somewhere a line has to
be drawn. I can't protect against the grounds crew setting 10 gallo
In all seriousness… I think if it is noncombustible construction with no
combustible storage underneath, then you should be OK to omit sprinklers. If
it’s just a concrete basketball court, then I think that meets the criteria.
That being said, I would leave open the possibility of an unfavorable
I doubt this is a 20 ft wide by 100 foot projection John but if it was
you could stub out ten or twelve light hazard dry sidewalls off the
wet system inside -- 2-3 grand? to placate yourself, the ahj, and the
lawyers if it all went south some day?
?B.
Quoting John Irwin :
Yeah I didn't thi
This is something we're seeing occasionally and I'm wondering if others are
seeing it also.
A typical office area within a noncombustible building. All rooms within
the greater area have lowered finished ceilings, are mostly light hazard,
and the space above is noncombustible and (almost) conc
Actually, this is all i would do anyway, even if it was 40x50-- I'd
call it "exposure protection"
B
Quoting bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com:
I doubt this is a 20 ft wide by 100 foot projection John but if it
was you could stub out ten or twelve light hazard dry sidewalls off
the wet system inside
I've seen this. Never had too much trouble getting a ceiling added when I give
them the add alternate for installing sprinklers at the roof.
Checking wall heights is usually one of the first things I do when opening a
fresh set of plans. Half a dozen different color highlighters and a cup of
co
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Quoting Travis Mack :
We need a LIKE button for emails. So many times people get lost
debating NFPA 13 criteria when the answer is quite clear in the
building code.
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So, Travis, what is the “clear” answer in the building code?
As far as I can tell, it’s still an exterior projection of noncombustible
construction. Thus, the entire argument hinges on whether or not there will be
combustibles stored beneath.
I’ll allow for the argument that there could “potent
As Steve pointed out, it is a building. That gets you to point of sprinklers.
I guess this comes to a point of defining this structure as an exterior
projection or a building.
I agree with Steve and see it as a building as described.
What I was getting at is we sprinkler people often search
I spend nearly as much time in the Florida Building Code as I do NFPA 13.
So riddle me this Batman (and I'm not saying you're wrong here) but here in
Florida plenty of schools have covered play areas that are not attached to any
building. Many are large enough for a full sized basketball court.
Is that considered a building? Check the architectural code study. That should
say if the architect is half decent.
If it defined as an exterior projection then follow the means to omit in NFPA
13. If the code study calls it a building, then you protect. It can’t be a
projection if it is a bu
Aww now you're going to make me pause Boss Baby and get my laptop.
I should also note that there are "engineered FPs" with this set but give no
direction on anything.. Florida engineering laws really need to change..
John Irwin
DynaFire Inc.
Tampa Fire Sprinkler Division
727-282-9243
This
One of the issues considered for sprinklers or not is in the egress and
exiting. In a freestanding building with no exterior walls, egress and
especially exiting is not an issue and many jurisdictions specifically do not
require sprinklers for this reason. Could this be the answer? What say y'a
I say when it gets to 2550 kW, stand back about 5 feet with a six foot
stick and toast some marshmallows
Quoting "Mark.Phelps" :
One of the issues considered for sprinklers or not is in the egress
and exiting. In a freestanding building with no exterior walls,
egress and especially exiting
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