Phillip Jones schrieb:
As you are an applications Developer, you will never
think like a user.
I'm more of a user than a developer, actually. Still, primarily I'm a
project manager, then a user, and sometimes I might peek into
development for a bit.
Robert Kaiser
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Leonidas Jones wrote:
In a wor, yes. The form manager was left out, ant Phil Chee explained
why. He also posted here that the form manager is being reconsidered,
which is a good thing.
Just as a note, I think it's clear to most people here, but I want to
clearly state
Ray_Net a écrit :
Therefore, you consider SM2.0 all ok, because you were not affected.
No. I consider SM2.0 OK because it does what it's meant to.
S.
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S. Beaulieu wrote:
Ray_Net a écrit :
Therefore, you consider SM2.0 all ok, because you were not affected.
No. I consider SM2.0 OK because it does what it's meant to.
S.
So you consider per exemple that the migration problems are normal ...
and should not be avoided.
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Ray_Net wrote:
In my opinion, the migration issues are MAJOR ISSUES ...
They are, but 1) they are really hard to get a grip on, as most people
don't repeatedly test them, and being well-reproducible and
well-reproduced is one of the major things to get well-reported
Ray_Net a écrit :
So you consider per exemple that the migration problems are normal ...
and should not be avoided.
No, they are a problem. It's just hard to pinpoint as the vast majority
of people don't have them. It doesn't mean that no one is trying to
solve them.
But it's besides the
Phillip Jones wrote:
What I am saying is for two or three sit down and run SM 1.1.18 and the
Forms Manager (and other options) and see what it actually does.
Well, what I forgot to mention in the other message is that we just
don't have those two or three people that can take aside a few days
Phillip Jones wrote:
The problem with software design is everyone takes a meat axe approach
whacking way and removing anything and everything the developers don't
like, or don't use and see no use for.
Well, even if you don't want to hear this, I'd much rather use
well-maintained code that
Ray_Net wrote:
BTW i am reluctant for migration, because my profile has been corrupted
by some SM bugs leaving me with an extra News (empty) channel visible
and also some others empty and ghost ones
Those problems that lead to corruption should be less in the new code
we're using in
John Boyle wrote:
Phillip Jones wrote:
question wrote:
Is 2.0 a beta ?
At this point official no.
To the newsgroup: But from a USERS standpoint, a definite YES! :-(
Only to a minority groups point of view I think.
Mark (no real problems with SM 2 so far)
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Phillip Jones wrote:
question wrote:
Is 2.0 a beta ?
At this point official no.
To the newsgroup: But from a USERS standpoint, a definite YES! :-(
Speaking as someone who had *no* problems at all, whose migration went
M van Ketel a écrit :
John Boyle wrote:
Phillip Jones wrote:
question wrote:
Is 2.0 a beta ?
At this point official no.
To the newsgroup: But from a USERS standpoint, a definite YES! :-(
Only to a minority groups point of view I think.
Mark (no real problems with SM 2 so far)
Ditto.
M van Ketel wrote:
John Boyle wrote:
Phillip Jones wrote:
question wrote:
Is 2.0 a beta ?
At this point official no.
To the newsgroup: But from a USERS standpoint, a definite YES! :-(
Only to a minority groups point of view I think.
Mark (no real problems with SM 2 so far)
no really
Phillip Jones a écrit :
no really true forms manager built in.
That seems to be a feature people liked that hot discontinued. I won,t
deny it's frustrating when it's something one uses constantly. That
being said, considering the number of times it's been mentioned, either
they'll re-add in
S. Beaulieu wrote:
Ray_Net a écrit :
Ant wrote:
On 12/2/2009 7:18 AM PT, question typed:
Is 2.0 a beta ?
No.
But looks like :-)
Why?
Read all the posts in this newsgroup, you will see a *lot* of complains.
Too much complains ...
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Interviewed by CNN on 2/12/2009 23:36, John Boyle told the world:
Phillip Jones wrote:
question wrote:
Is 2.0 a beta ?
At this point official no.
To the newsgroup: But from a USERS standpoint, a definite YES! :-(
Speaking as someone who had *no* problems at all, whose
Ray_Net a écrit :
Read all the posts in this newsgroup, you will see a *lot* of complains.
Too much complains ...
What I see is a lot of the same people complaining about the same
problem many times. Or even just situations where we have to learn to do
things in a different way. It looks
Ray_Net wrote:
MCBastos wrote:
Interviewed by CNN on 2/12/2009 23:36, John Boyle told the world:
Phillip Jones wrote:
question wrote:
Is 2.0 a beta ?
At this point official no.
To the newsgroup: But from a USERS standpoint, a definite YES! :-(
Speaking as someone who had *no* problems
Ray_Net wrote:
S. Beaulieu wrote:
Ray_Net a écrit :
Ant wrote:
On 12/2/2009 7:18 AM PT, question typed:
Is 2.0 a beta ?
No.
But looks like :-)
Why?
Read all the posts in this newsgroup, you will see a *lot* of complains.
Too much complains ...
Newsgroups are used mostly by users
S. Beaulieu wrote:
Phillip Jones a écrit :
no really true forms manager built in.
That seems to be a feature people liked that not discontinued. I won't
deny it's frustrating when it's something one uses constantly. That
being said, considering the number of times it's been mentioned, either
S. Beaulieu wrote:
---snip---
Features that people liked that got discontinued—it's definitely
annoying, but it's not a problem or a bug.
It is when people depend upon them.
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Phillip Jones a écrit :
Well, then the Apple guideline is to blame, not SM itself.
No the blame is following the guideline to the letter to the point of
destroying a useful feature.
But what's the point of having a guideline if no one uses it? Standards
are standards. You can't pick and
Phillip Jones a écrit :
Features that people liked that got discontinued—it's definitely
annoying, but it's not a problem or a bug.
It is when people depend upon them.
it's a problem *for them*, but it's not a SeaMonkey problem as the
software acts as it's meant to. That's what I meant.
My sole complaint about SM 2. is the removal of form manger - my
objections come from two directions:
1) the feature was used by many of us for many years and was somewhat
unique among browsers, and 2) the removal of a feature is not an
improvement, and adding insult to injury, some here seem
S. Beaulieu wrote:
Phillip Jones a écrit :
Features that people liked that got discontinued—it's definitely
annoying, but it's not a problem or a bug.
It is when people depend upon them.
it's a problem *for them*, but it's not a SeaMonkey problem as the
software acts as it's meant to.
Leonidas Jones wrote:
Ray_Net wrote:
MCBastos wrote:
Interviewed by CNN on 2/12/2009 23:36, John Boyle told the world:
Phillip Jones wrote:
question wrote:
Is 2.0 a beta ?
At this point official no.
To the newsgroup: But from a USERS standpoint, a definite YES! :-(
Speaking as someone
Ray_Net wrote:
Leonidas Jones wrote:
Ray_Net wrote:
MCBastos wrote:
Interviewed by CNN on 2/12/2009 23:36, John Boyle told the world:
Phillip Jones wrote:
question wrote:
Is 2.0 a beta ?
At this point official no.
To the newsgroup: But from a USERS standpoint, a definite YES! :-(
Ray_Net wrote:
S. Beaulieu wrote:
Phillip Jones a écrit :
Features that people liked that got discontinued—it's definitely
annoying, but it's not a problem or a bug.
It is when people depend upon them.
it's a problem *for them*, but it's not a SeaMonkey problem as the
software acts as
Ray_Net wrote:
In my opinion, the migration issues are MAJOR ISSUES ...
They are, but 1) they are really hard to get a grip on, as most people
don't repeatedly test them, and being well-reproducible and
well-reproduced is one of the major things to get well-reported specific
problems fixed
Leonidas Jones wrote:
In a wor, yes. The form manager was left out, ant Phil Chee explained
why. He also posted here that the form manager is being reconsidered,
which is a good thing.
Just as a note, I think it's clear to most people here, but I want to
clearly state that we're of course not
On 12/2/2009 7:18 AM PT, question typed:
Is 2.0 a beta ?
No.
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Ant wrote:
On 12/2/2009 7:18 AM PT, question typed:
Is 2.0 a beta ?
No.
But looks like :-)
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Ray_Net a écrit :
Ant wrote:
On 12/2/2009 7:18 AM PT, question typed:
Is 2.0 a beta ?
No.
But looks like :-)
Why?
S.
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question wrote:
Is 2.0 a beta ?
At this point official no.
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Phillip Jones wrote:
question wrote:
Is 2.0 a beta ?
At this point official no.
To the newsgroup: But from a USERS standpoint, a definite YES! :-(
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JAS wrote:
I am using SM2 and have no problems with passwords, I have 11 accounts
and all load automatically. No problems at all. Using Walnut theme and
Win XP Pro.
Maybe I tried to condense too much and my meaning was lost on the way! I
have no problem with the passwords themselves, just
S. Beaulieu wrote:
JAS wrote:
I am using SM2 and have no problems with passwords, I have 11 accounts
and all load automatically. No problems at all. Using Walnut theme and
Win XP Pro.
Maybe I tried to condense too much and my meaning was lost on the way!
I have no problem with the
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:29:08 -0800 (PST), Jim
jlong...@jaguar1.usouthal.edu in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote:
I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs
are too severe to warrant continued use. ... Until the major bugs are fixed,
I'll stick with version 1.18.
I agree.
On 11/25/2009 9:48 AM PT, jim typed:
I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs
are too severe to warrant continued use. ... Until the major bugs are fixed,
I'll stick with version 1.18.
I agree.
I miss this conversation. What issues are there right now? I am still
Ant wrote:
I miss this conversation. What issues are there right now? I am still
using v1.1.18.
I had the CP problem, but that was solved a while ago. The only
problem I still have—and it's really minor—is that of the loss of
control over the various successive password boxes for my
S. Beaulieu wrote:
Ant wrote:
I miss this conversation. What issues are there right now? I am still
using v1.1.18.
I had the CP problem, but that was solved a while ago. The only
problem I still have—and it's really minor—is that of the loss of
control over the various successive password
jim wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:29:08 -0800 (PST), Jim
jlong...@jaguar1.usouthal.edu in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote:
I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs
are too severe to warrant continued use. ... Until the major bugs are fixed,
I'll stick with version
Leonidas Jones wrote:
Jim wrote:
I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs
are too severe to warrant continued use. I've come to expect better
from Mozilla releases. I didn't use Firefox or Thunderbird because I
didn't like the feel and they weren't integrated as a
Interviewed by CNN on 4/11/2009 21:20, Ray_Net told the world:
Leonidas Jones wrote:
I believe that the biggest problem, is that bugs are most of the time
never solved. Or ..too late. Per exemple did you expect a good date for
the patch to solve the copy/cut problem
Jim wrote:
I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs
are too severe to warrant continued use. I've come to expect better
from Mozilla releases. I didn't use Firefox or Thunderbird because I
didn't like the feel and they weren't integrated as a suite. Now
Seamonkey
Jim wrote:
I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs
are too severe to warrant continued use. I've come to expect better
from Mozilla releases. I didn't use Firefox or Thunderbird because I
didn't like the feel and they weren't integrated as a suite. Now
Seamonkey
Bush wrote:
Jim wrote:
I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs
are too severe to warrant continued use. I've come to expect better
from Mozilla releases. I didn't use Firefox or Thunderbird because I
didn't like the feel and they weren't integrated as a suite. Now
Pat Welch wrote:
And neither does straight compose in this NG Compose works and the
Sig appears as usual in my regular Email account. Huh?
Go into account settings, Composition Addressing, and check Include
signature for forwards.
HTH
Jens
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Jens Hatlak wrote:
Pat Welch wrote:
And neither does straight compose in this NG Compose works and the
Sig appears as usual in my regular Email account. Huh?
Go into account settings, Composition Addressing, and check Include
signature for forwards.
HTH
Jens
Huh - where did that
Pat Welch wrote:
Jens Hatlak wrote:
Pat Welch wrote:
And neither does straight compose in this NG Compose works and the
Sig appears as usual in my regular Email account. Huh?
Go into account settings, Composition Addressing, and check Include
signature for forwards.
Huh - where did
Jens Hatlak wrote:
Pat Welch wrote:
Jens Hatlak wrote:
Pat Welch wrote:
And neither does straight compose in this NG Compose works and the
Sig appears as usual in my regular Email account. Huh?
Go into account settings, Composition Addressing, and check Include
signature for forwards.
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
You may also need to check Aggressively look for website icons when the
page does not define one.
NO. That preference shouldn't even exist. It enables non-standard
behaviour that pisses people hosting the sites off.
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Am I correct that SM 2.0 still cannot display favicons on the personal
toolbar?
No.
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chicagofan wrote:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
chicagofan wrote:
LOL! They are pretty small on my laptop too, and that's what I use
all the
time now. I'll eventually remember them, but what drives me crazy is
that
they keep moving around. ;) Does that help anyone?
If they move without any
chicagofan wrote:
Gerald Ross wrote:
Arnie Goetchius wrote:
Gerald Ross wrote:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Gerald Ross wrote:
On installing RC1 the theme changed. The familiar icons for browser,
address book, etc in the lower left are no longer there. In their
place are strange icons of
Gerald Ross wrote:
On installing RC1 the theme changed. The familiar icons for browser,
address book, etc in the lower left are no longer there. In their place
are strange icons of which only the envelope is at all familiar. Is
there any way to get the old theme back? I'm too old to like change
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Gerald Ross wrote:
On installing RC1 the theme changed. The familiar icons for browser,
address book, etc in the lower left are no longer there. In their place
are strange icons of which only the envelope is at all familiar. Is
there any way to get the old theme back?
Gerald Ross wrote:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Gerald Ross wrote:
On installing RC1 the theme changed. The familiar icons for browser,
address book, etc in the lower left are no longer there. In their place
are strange icons of which only the envelope is at all familiar. Is
there any way to get the
Arnie Goetchius wrote:
Gerald Ross wrote:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Gerald Ross wrote:
On installing RC1 the theme changed. The familiar icons for browser,
address book, etc in the lower left are no longer there. In their place
are strange icons of which only the envelope is at all familiar.
Gerald Ross wrote:
Arnie Goetchius wrote:
Gerald Ross wrote:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Gerald Ross wrote:
On installing RC1 the theme changed. The familiar icons for browser,
address book, etc in the lower left are no longer there. In their
place are strange icons of which only the envelope is at
chicagofan wrote:
LOL! They are pretty small on my laptop too, and that's what I use all
the time
now. I'll eventually remember them, but what drives me crazy is that
they keep
moving around. ;) Does that help anyone?
If they move without any userChrome.css rules or such, then that's
Robert Kaiser wrote:
chicagofan wrote:
LOL! They are pretty small on my laptop too, and that's what I use all the
time now. I'll eventually remember them, but what drives me crazy is that
they keep moving around. ;) Does that help anyone?
If they move without any userChrome.css rules or such,
Jens Hatlak wrote:
On 10/12/2009 12:12 AM chicagofan wrote:
However, the icons move around when I open messages, and when I close
them, in html e-mails or newsgroup text posts.
I see that the order of task icons is wrong in standalone message
windows (Composer, AB, cZ, Mail, Browser instead
Jens Hatlak wrote:
On 10/12/2009 12:12 AM chicagofan wrote:
However, the icons move around when I open messages, and when I close them,
in html e-mails or newsgroup text posts.
I see that the order of task icons is wrong in standalone message windows
(Composer, AB, cZ, Mail, Browser instead
On 03/16/2009 08:14 PM, NoOp wrote:
On 03/14/2009 03:29 PM, Stéphane Grégoire wrote:
Stéphane Grégoire a tapoté, le 13.03.2009 10:24:
The test would be nearer to my configuration by printing on the
network. I should also test by cups on the network with a live CD. I
will also test with XP
NoOp wrote:
On 03/13/2009 02:24 AM, Stéphane Grégoire wrote:
Hi,
NoOp a tapoté, le 12.03.2009 22:40:
1. Ubuntu 8.10 to networked 8.04 w/usb attached Canon MP750.
2. Ubuntu 8.04 to networked 8.10 w/usb attached Canon MP750.
3. Ubuntu 8.04 to wireless 8.04 w/usb attached Canon MP750.
Hi,
Stéphane Grégoire a tapoté, le 13.03.2009 10:24:
I will also test with XP Home and with this netgear.
With XP Home it works fine!
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Stéphane Grégoire a tapoté, le 13.03.2009 10:24:
The test would be nearer to my configuration by printing on the
network. I should also test by cups on the network with a live CD. I
will also test with XP Home and with this netgear.
It works with an Ubuntu 8.10 Live CD with Seamonkey
On 03/13/2009 02:24 AM, Stéphane Grégoire wrote:
Hi,
NoOp a tapoté, le 12.03.2009 22:40:
1. Ubuntu 8.10 to networked 8.04 w/usb attached Canon MP750.
2. Ubuntu 8.04 to networked 8.10 w/usb attached Canon MP750.
3. Ubuntu 8.04 to wireless 8.04 w/usb attached Canon MP750.
But the printer
Hi,
Robert Kaiser a tapoté, le 11.03.2009 15:02:
Firefox 3 and SeaMonkey 2 directly hook into GNOME printing
functionality there, so this sounds to me like GNOME printing isn't
correctly set up...
I will test it with Ubuntu 9.04 when the beta will be released (whith
Gnome 2.26).
Thanks for
On 03/12/2009 02:10 AM, Stéphane Grégoire wrote:
Hi,
Robert Kaiser a tapoté, le 11.03.2009 15:02:
Firefox 3 and SeaMonkey 2 directly hook into GNOME printing
functionality there, so this sounds to me like GNOME printing isn't
correctly set up...
I will test it with Ubuntu 9.04 when the
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