Re: Re[2]: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-17 Thread rico suavae
I don't agree with alot of the people here. Thats why I like it here. You can't learn much from people who think the same as you.But I have to agree with Keith on this.The only thing I would add is a couple of plays from the Hitler play book.Number one,when running an oppressive regime,give

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-17 Thread bmolloy
Hi Keith/John et al, Thanks for putting me right on the scope of this group, Keith. Us newbies tend to errrors of ignorance. H'sever, I'm pleased. It gives me carte blanche to address John's very pertinent point regarding democracies as the most progressive form of

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-17 Thread Hakan Falk
Bob, Democracy (=people rule) means that the decisions are taken directly by the people. The only democracy that is coming close to this, is the democracy in Switzerland. The most common democracy is the indirect democracy, the people elects trusted representatives that make the decisions

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-17 Thread Brian
Remember all of the dictators in that area of the world need you to hate someone. Isreal, the US, Britain, someone. Because if you don't then you will start asking too many questions. If you substitute Saddam, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Arabs, Israelis... for your list, you have exactly

RE: Re[2]: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Dan Fitzpatrick
reversal. Dan -Original Message- From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 4:29 PM To: Dan Fitzpatrick Subject: Re[2]: [biofuel] wondering about this comment Hallo Dan, Go check out these sites and then come back and defend Israel. http

Re: Re[2]: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread John Woolsey
I have no intention of defending Isreal. However the tone of these articles are scary at best. Talking about motive as being irrelevant, etc, etc. Of course motive is important. If there is no logical reason for someone to do something most likely the basic assumptions are flawed. When a war

RE: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Keith Addison
Keith Addison Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/ List owner Dan -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:57 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment Steve, This is one of the worse

RE: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Hakan Falk
- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:57 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment Steve, This is one of the worse things I heard for a long - long time. We have international laws that regulate this and none

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Keith Addison
Steve wrote: I am a neutral observer. To distinguish between what is just and what is not. Jews have taken other peoples' homes and have driven them out of their land. i understand that all the arabs have accepted the fact that Isreal is to exist. They have offered to live in peace

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread bmolloy
: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] wondering about this comment Dan, I fail to see how you can make such an answer to what I said. What you are saying have nothing at all to do with the issues that I bring up in my posting. This about most inhabited part of the country, have you

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Gregg Davidson
Keith, may I ask a fool question? Is this a newsgroup that is mainly about alternative fuels, or is it a political outlet for folks that wouldn't be happy no matter what? I am getting very tired of reading all the negative personal politics of some of the members. I know this is a free country

Re: Re[2]: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Keith Addison
John Woolsey wrote... a load of total nonsense. A bunch of fact-free opinions only to be found among a particular sector of thoroughly-spun Americans. Whatever would you do without FoxTV John? Learn something maybe? What's always amusing about this stuff is how they they espouse a balanced

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread John Woolsey
I don't watch Fox TV nor am I an American. And yes I do believe that Bush in many ways is feeding off world problems to stay in power as well. Although that doesn't work very well in most democracies does it. He may or may not stay in power but he is by no means assured of it by his views. In

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Hakan Falk
: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] wondering about this comment Dan, I fail to see how you can make such an answer to what I said. What you are saying have nothing at all to do with the issues that I bring up in my posting. This about most inhabited part of the country

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Hakan Falk
Gregg, What free country? It cannot be bothering you too much, if you read so little that it did not strike you that the majority of the list members are not from your free country, but many other parts of the world. Of course you can make your elegantly expressed view heard, I would not

Bob - Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Keith Addison
Regards to you both. Bob. - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] wondering about this comment Dan, I fail to see how you can make such an answer to what I said. What you

Gregg - Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Gregg Keith, may I ask a fool question? Is this a newsgroup that is mainly about alternative fuels, or is it a political outlet for folks that wouldn't be happy no matter what? I am getting very tired of reading all the negative personal politics Pardon me, but all that means is stuff

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Keith Addison
John Woolsey wrote: I don't watch Fox TV You might as well, you'd like it, echoes your views. nor am I an American. I know you're not, I remember your first post. Doesn't make much difference sometimes. For the rest of it, sorry, it's pathetic. Go stick labels on your own forehead, not

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Hakan Falk
then, let's get back to biofuels. Regards to you both. Bob. - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] wondering about this comment Dan, I fail to see how you can make

Re: Gregg - Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Gregg Davidson
, but in the interest of global cooperation, I will try my best to be tolerant of any differing opinions of fellow members. Gregg - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:11 AM Subject: Gregg - Re: [biofuel] wondering

Re[4]: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Happy, Gustl DF Dan DF -Original Message- DF From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] DF Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 4:29 PM DF To: Dan Fitzpatrick DF Subject: Re[2]: [biofuel] wondering about this comment DF Hallo Dan, DF Go check out these sites and then come back

RE: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Dan Fitzpatrick
Thanks Bob, you're absolutely correct. Dan -Original Message- From: bmolloy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:16 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment Hi Hakan, With respect to you and Dan

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread John Woolsey
I hardly call that site a news site. It is probably better classified as a blog where someone who has an axe to grid is trying to build a case for hatred. If you don't believe me start clicking some of the links. ie if you buy this then maybe you buy something else more blatant. I don't

RE: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Keith Addison
: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] wondering about this comment Dan, I fail to see how you can make such an answer to what I said. What you are saying have nothing at all to do with the issues that I bring up in my posting. This about most inhabited part

[biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-15 Thread Steve
I am a neutral observer. To distinguish between what is just and what is not. Jews have taken other peoples' homes and have driven them out of their land. i understand that all the arabs have accepted the fact that Isreal is to exist. They have offered to live in peace provided Isreal

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-15 Thread Hakan Falk
Steve, This is one of the worse things I heard for a long - long time. We have international laws that regulate this and none is supporting your and Israel's view about individual ownership, as you are stating it. It might have been true some hundreds years ago, but today ownership must be

RE: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-15 Thread Dan Fitzpatrick
to be the biofuels list? Dan -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:57 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment Steve, This is one of the worse things I heard for a long - long time. We have

Re[2]: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-15 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
this supposed to be the biofuels list? DF Dan DF -Original Message- DF From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] DF Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:57 AM DF To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com DF Subject: Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment DF Steve, DF This is one of the worse things I