Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

2017-02-11 Thread John Willis
I think the individual tags in the extended camping proposal covers this. If there is a coin-op machine or two for campers to use, then tag the amenity on the campground's node/polygon - the suggested washing_machine=yes dryer=yes tags. If there is some other scheme for mapping the machines

Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

2017-02-13 Thread John Willis
> On Feb 13, 2017, at 7:50 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > I don't think that mapping the capacity of washing machines in campsite > laundry facilities is data that is useful in OSM. Neither do I, it was an an aside about laundromats in general. That is why the extended

Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

2017-02-13 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 14, 2017, at 5:43 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Mappers can enter miles instead of kilometres .. so they too should be able > to enter the units they have into the capacity of the laundry machine. Yea, because it is well known that they correlate, like C and F.

Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

2017-02-13 Thread John Willis
> On Feb 13, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Tristan Anderson > wrote: > > I thought a load of laundry was the amount that could fit into a washing > machine at one time. Therefore, every washing machine that has ever been > manufactured in the history of the world and

Re: [Tagging] Places for rent for personal events

2017-02-14 Thread John Willis
> On Feb 15, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Devents_venue +1 I think that is the tag created just for that situation. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Places for rent for personal events

2017-02-14 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 15, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > amenity=events_venue perhaps ? > > see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Devents_venue PS: we should really formalize one of those proposals+the land use mentioned on that page. The San Diego

Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

2017-02-13 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 13, 2017, at 3:10 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > laundry:top_loading:1_load=20 (if 'load' can be found as a size .. somewhere?) > > laundry:top_loading:5_cu_ft=20 > laundry:top_loading:6_lbs=20 > > laundry:top_loading:20_kg=20 > > laundry:front_loading:15_kg=8 >

Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

2017-02-12 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 13, 2017, at 5:38 AM, Mark Wagner wrote: > > > That wouldn't work too well in the US. Here, capacities are > typically measured in notional "loads": the average laundromat would > have a large number of "single-load" machines, a few "double-load" or >

Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine and vending=public_transport_plans?

2017-02-16 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 16, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > * rice_polishing Coin operated rice polishers vend a service, and are a large machine that is used by the customer, about the size of a large drink vending machine. They are found in

Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine and vending=public_transport_plans?

2017-02-16 Thread John Willis
> On Feb 16, 2017, at 5:41 PM, Dalibor Jelínek wrote: > > vending=public_transport_plans Sounds like a long term ticket, though I would call it a pass. Most students here in Japan use 3 month passes between 2 stations designated on their pass (digital or paper ones;

Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine and vending=public_transport_plans?

2017-02-16 Thread John Willis
> On Feb 16, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > elongated_coin Ah - the flattened coin. I believe that belongs as well, as mentioned in the previous message. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine and vending=public_transport_plans?

2017-02-17 Thread John Willis
> On Feb 17, 2017, at 6:28 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Humm maybe not.. > There is, or at least was, a 'Eurorail pass' for foreigners to enjoy access > to trips over a set period of time but open as to where they go. > Arr there is a similar BritRail Pass too.. Same in Japan

Re: [Tagging] A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can be delivered?

2017-02-26 Thread John Willis
> On Feb 25, 2017, at 11:33 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > I would imagine that is quite common in large towns and cities. Yea - all the main sorting facilities I know of - 2 in the US and 3 in Japan are HUGE buildings with many employees routing mail for hundreds of

Re: [Tagging] intelligence services

2016-09-06 Thread John Willis
Japan had huge protests and civil unrest when they appropriated land for the international airport in Narita - there are still houses in the middle of the taxiways today. People broke into the airport and destroyed the tower equipment, hoping to delay the opening of the airport. They created

Re: [Tagging] Help required on tagging a "wadi"

2016-09-07 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 5, 2016, at 7:24 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > In an ideal world; > the wadi would be a way along the lowest path - where water would first flow. > the track would be a separate way While there (of course) are some wadis that are roughly the size of a car tracks,

Re: [Tagging] Amphitheatre or outdoor non-sports venue

2016-09-14 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On 14 Sep 2016, at 10:48 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > the latter two don't make much sense, especially "stage" (you can rarely find > a theatre without a stage). Yea, but you can find a stage without a theatre, especially in multiuse areas.

Re: [Tagging] Amphitheatre or outdoor non-sports venue

2016-09-14 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On 14 Sep 2016, at 10:48 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > amphitheatres should be round (circular or oval), places like these are not > amphitheatres: Historic ones are - the "modern ones" listed are more like a generic outdoor performance venue, so I

Re: [Tagging] Railway=station + area=yes questions:

2016-10-05 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On 5 Oct 2016, at 5:13 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > wouldn't oppose "entry signal" neither Entry signal sounds great, not because I care, but because it sounds like what the OSM rail mappers would like, and is visible on (good) imagery and probably

[Tagging] Question on exit-entrance rendering.

2016-08-26 Thread John Willis
Shuto Expressway system map, 24mb PDF. http://www.shutoko.jp/%7E/media/pdf/customer/use/network/navimap/160701_map_big.pdf I am wondering about proper motorway entrance-exit tagging when there seems to be one tag that handles the intersection (highway=junction) and all the other information

Re: [Tagging] Railway=station + area=yes questions:

2016-10-03 Thread John Willis
> On 4 Oct 2016, at 4:54 AM, Alexander Matheisen > wrote: > > The main problem I see for mapping stations as areas is the lack of > defined boundaries. Almost all the stations I deal with are easily defined. They have fences, walls, and bordering private buildings

Re: [Tagging] tagging floodplain

2016-09-25 Thread John Willis
Would this be used for controlled areas flooded by a river only during extraordinary rains (like a super-typhoon)? Here is a river that has never exceeded the bounds of the "normal" flood control measures in the time I have lived here, but these parks are clearly in a contained flood channel

[Tagging] Railway=station + area=yes questions:

2016-10-01 Thread John Willis
I have a long thread over at The -carto page trying to describe unexpected behavior of the rendering of railway=station on an area when also accompanied with area=yes. I expect that to tell the -carto renderer that I am saying this is the "area" of the station and building=train_station to be

Re: [Tagging] dog toilets

2016-11-09 Thread John Willis
> On 9 Nov 2016, at 11:24 PM, joost schouppe wrote: > > Many cities have special little areas which are specifically meant to be used > as a toilet area for dogs. Sounds like "pet relief areas" you find on motorways. Getting the dog out of the car is usually to let

Re: [Tagging] dog toilets

2016-11-09 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On 10 Nov 2016, at 8:16 AM, David Bannon wrote: > > "potty_area". > > what has that got to do with dogs ? > It is "cute talk" that people use with kids as well pets - "do you have to go potty?". It is a very bad choice of a tag name, but it is influenced

Re: [Tagging] fixme -- by a specific date

2016-11-28 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On 29 Nov 2016, at 4:29 AM, Tod Fitch wrote: > > A number of state highway routes through the Sierra Nevada are closed in > winter. The rub is, the real closure is from first significant snowfall until > it either melts or they bring in the rotary plows in

Re: [Tagging] better mapping for embankments / slopes

2016-11-29 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On 30 Nov 2016, at 7:28 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > 'Embankment' is frequently used for a built-up structure on a steep hillside > that keeps a road, railroad, or similar feature from sliding into a gorge or > river. So a retaining wall (or reinforced

Re: [Tagging] highway=primary/secondary/tertiary - tag according to quality or usage? (Paul Johnson)

2016-12-07 Thread John Willis
Javbw On 7 Dec 2016, at 11:02 AM, Bradley White wrote: >> Unless being a surface expressway (trunk) or fully controlled freeway >> (motorway), I tend to qualify anything that averages 7+ lanes as primary, >> 5-6 lanes as secondary or primary, 4-5 lanes as secondary,

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

2017-01-09 Thread John Willis
On Jan 10, 2017, at 5:49 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> The wiki page has been reverted. Stop trolling. >> >> tom > > Not trolling. Raising the discussion, waving the flag ... this tag is > something I trip over every now and then and it really annoys me. As a person who

Re: [Tagging] landuse=logging

2017-01-09 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 10, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > There are other things produced by forestry ... > maple syrup for Canadians > rubber from rubber trees > various oils (tea tree oil, eucalyptus oil) > as well as timber. > > From the crop wiki I

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

2017-01-12 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 13, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Is not the side walk administered by the same people who administer the road? A hedge is a hedge, regardless if it is planted by the road authorities, the walkway along the train station, or the

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

2017-01-12 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2017, at 6:50 AM, Chris Hill wrote: > > The green spaces ( and concrete or whatever) around a road are part of the > infrastructure of a road. If someone is just mapping a road with a single way, including the sidewalk in the way's tags,

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

2017-01-11 Thread John Willis
> On Jan 11, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Marc Zoutendijk wrote: > > To help us focus on what type of “green” I’m (and others) are thinking of, I > have prepared a photo-collage: > > https://marczoutendijk.stackstorage.com/s/guN1x7PBfZfP1ZR >

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

2017-01-11 Thread John Willis
> On Jan 11, 2017, at 7:42 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > think every place in the world should ideally belong to: > - a landuse > - a landcover polygon That is awesome. If you have a building, the plants and trees around the building belongs to the land the building sits

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

2017-01-08 Thread John Willis
> On Jan 9, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: > > It would be a great option, but that's not what the gardeners > maintaining the traffic islands, rotary or otherwise, are planting > here. tl;dr: Tagging the trees and the flowerbeds is great - but all that other

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

2017-01-08 Thread John Willis
> On Jan 9, 2017, at 5:02 AM, Marc Zoutendijk wrote: > > you find also in the middle of a roundabout. > Adn I wouldn’t call an area of 14m2 between two sections of a highway, Hedge is of great use in this situation.

Re: [Tagging] Spillways

2017-03-23 Thread John Willis
The thing I am tagging is not a dam. It is a series of flood basins, one of which is a "reservoir". They are made by levees that surround the rivers, but in a very complicated way. They eventually return all the water back to the river, shortly after it is captured. I explain that below, if

Re: [Tagging] Spillways

2017-03-24 Thread John Willis
> On Mar 24, 2017, at 9:42 AM, John Willis <jo...@mac.com> wrote: > > The thing I am tagging is not a dam. It is a series of flood basins, one of > which is a "reservoir". They are made by levees that surround the rivers, but > in a very complicated way. They

Re: [Tagging] Spillways

2017-03-24 Thread John Willis
> On Mar 25, 2017, at 12:54 AM, Richard wrote: > > This would include most > levees even if we usualy don't map them explicitly. We have a dyke tag because the levees do not block the flow of the river. They prevent it from flooding out of the path the river is already

Re: [Tagging] "Living street" in Japan

2017-03-30 Thread John Willis
> On Mar 30, 2017, at 7:00 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > there is defined tagging for these zones: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:zone:maxspeed > > Cheers, > Martin Thanks, I will add that to the Japan tagging page on Monday as well.

Re: [Tagging] "Living street" in Japan

2017-03-30 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Mar 30, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Satoshi IIDA wrote: > > But there are some rare case to match "highway=living_street" such as the one > named "Zone 30" public highway/road in Japanese situation. The idea of using the living street for those narrowly defined roads

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Improve Toilet Tagging

2017-03-30 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Mar 31, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Micah Cochran wrote: > > and adds the gender designation There needs to be another "gender" - elderly. In Japan, almost all public restrooms - at malls, service areas, public buildings, etc - have three designated toilets - blue

Re: [Tagging] Spillways

2017-03-23 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > Also, presumably emergency spillways are mapped as areas, rather than > lines, but they probably should have both, to have the water network and > show the area. The one I am familiar with is really large OSM has a

Re: [Tagging] Spillways

2017-03-22 Thread John Willis
Ah yea, emergency=yes is bad. 3 questions: - mapping levees/dykes with additional area extent tags (like river+ riverbank) - mapping spillways in a similar fashion. - mapping levee control gates (buried in the levee) ~~ Javbw > On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Greg Troxel

Re: [Tagging] "Living street" in Japan

2017-03-29 Thread John Willis
> On Mar 29, 2017, at 9:57 PM, tomoya muramoto wrote: > > Hi, Javbw > > >is this some systemic regional tagging change that is not documented? > There is no such agreement in Japanese community, AFAIK. > So I think it's error of that mapper. Thanks. If you could

[Tagging] "Living street" in Japan

2017-03-29 Thread John Willis
As I have been coming back to tagging recently, I noticed a lot of rural residential/alley/driveway/track roads being mapped as a “living street” in my region of Japan. A prolific editor (2000+ edits) is one of the mappers doing it, so I Im unsure about what is going on. As far as I know,

Re: [Tagging] Starbucks or Starbucks Coffee

2017-03-20 Thread John Willis
> On Mar 21, 2017, at 5:42 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > > I'm all for "Starbucks" in the same vein that we tag "Chipotle" not > "Chipotle Mexican Grill". +1 I am not sure how "brand" and "official_name" work into it, but usually the store's name is not just "Starbucks

[Tagging] Spillways

2017-03-21 Thread John Willis
How do you tag an emergency spillway? I am tagging a giant flood control reservoir in my region. The “lake” is surrounded by giant man-made embankments on all sides, surrounded by an additional set of embankments, with gates to let the water out. There is no dam per se, because there is ~200

Re: [Tagging] Starbucks or Starbucks Coffee

2017-03-21 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Mar 21, 2017, at 6:40 PM, Jherome Miguel wrote: > > Why long names appear on Starbucks stores in Japan when seen on Google Maps > is that the data there is from a third-party map provider, i.e. ZENRIN. > Google discourages such locators as messy, like

Re: [Tagging] Spillways

2017-03-22 Thread John Willis
> On Mar 22, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: > > ​or use surface tags to distinguish the paved from unpaved​ as we do with > roads ? This section is paved, but it is the function of the wall of dirt with asphalt on top I’m trying to map. someone actually took a

Re: [Tagging] water=pool

2017-03-22 Thread John Willis
> On Mar 13, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I'd rather use water=stream_pool without the lake deviation, but then it > still is in conflict with water=river. Are these actual features anyway, or > are they simply the wider parts of the river? +1

Re: [Tagging] Restaurant that doesn't sell alcohol...

2017-04-12 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 12, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I would mostly not tag these details but wouldn't mind if someone else does. Same here. But if someone wants to make a tagging system, I'll get be my advice and toss them a yes vote if it isn't breaking

Re: [Tagging] Restaurant that doesn't sell alcohol...

2017-04-11 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 11, 2017, at 8:46 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > here is a term 'corkage' which is where a 'posh' restaurant allows you > to take your own drinks, Bottle service. They chill and serve your own wine to you. I think that should be another value of:

Re: [Tagging] Restaurant that doesn't sell alcohol...

2017-04-11 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 11, 2017, at 7:26 AM, althio wrote: > > My ideas are about: > alcohol=yes/no/bring_your_own > wine=yes/no/bring_your_own +1 Perhaps alcohol:wine=* ? Javbw. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Quonset hut

2017-04-12 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Apr 13, 2017, at 4:47 AM, Rene wrote: > > descriptions (and pictures) are totally different to what a Quonset hut looks > like. Any suggestions? I would tag them as to what they are being used for. I googled the two terms, and some people use them for sheds,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)

2017-04-14 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Apr 15, 2017, at 7:48 AM, muzirian wrote: > > But still many vote against just because they think post office tag is enough > for this I'm surprised people can't see the separation (or understand it might be different in other countries), similar to how

Re: [Tagging] office=therapist??

2017-04-13 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Apr 14, 2017, at 4:42 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > Looking through the current list of documented office values I came across so > that really sound odd to me, e.g. > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aoffice%3Dtherapist > > wouldn't this

Re: [Tagging] Platform screen doors and automatic platform gates

2017-04-16 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Apr 17, 2017, at 12:53 AM, jc86035 wrote: > > barrier=platform_gates and > barrier=platform_doors to avoid requiring another tag for which type it is Sounds good. I think having a default material is wrong, as they are brushed stainless steel +plastic

[Tagging] water control valves/gates

2017-04-20 Thread John Willis
this object is what I am interested in tagging: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/488358755#map=19/36.22843/139.30731 Along the hundreds of KM of levees surrounding the large river near my house, each stream, drain,

Re: [Tagging] Disaster response

2017-04-21 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 18, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > Another thing to think about is the planned location of shelters, and to > tag places that are pre-designated as possible shelters if a region or a country has designated evacuation sites/refuges/shelters/ for evacuees to

Re: [Tagging] water control valves/gates

2017-04-21 Thread John Willis
Thanks Marc and John - that is exactly what I was looking for. I didn't know that word, so searching the wiki didn't help. I will follow the wiki on that. Any suggestions for the landuse for water control facilities? Javbw. Javbw > On Apr 21, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Marc Gemis

Re: [Tagging] Platform screen doors and automatic platform gates

2017-04-15 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Apr 16, 2017, at 12:49 AM, jc86035 wrote: > > It'd be easier for mappers to just add a tag to the platform > or the side of the platform area. It might just be a tagged value of the transportation platform (like covered=yes), but unmapped. Or perhaps,

Re: [Tagging] Landuse and Zoning (Was: Tagging for the Renderer)

2017-04-18 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Apr 18, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Tom Hardy wrote: > > zoning Although mapping zoning would be useful, perhaps that is some kind of boundary. I am referring to land being taken up by a city hall - the wall or hedges along the road, the sign out front that says

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-12 Thread John Willis
> On Mar 13, 2017, at 7:12 AM, Andy Townsend wrote: > > > I'd use "brownfield", both in OSM and more generally, for land that isn't > scheduled for redevelopment yet. Brownfield, disused, and natural=scrub is a common combo for me when a plot was cleared for sale, then

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-13 Thread John Willis
> On Mar 13, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > "brownfield" seems quite misleading as description for a plot formerly > occupied by a house, it would be appropriate for former industrial or > commercial areas with suspected pollution I always

Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine and vending=public_transport_plans?

2017-03-01 Thread John Willis
On Feb 18, 2017, at 5:39 PM, David Bannon wrote: >>> detail, as this is quite volatile data, and there are often lots of >>> different options > > Yes, I strongly agree Martin. A far better approach would be to include a > link to an authoritative source. +1 I

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for the Renderer (Was: Why is this building not rendered?)

2017-04-17 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 17, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > draw the campus of the motel including their houses and parking, tag that > landuse=commercial and tourism=motel This is why I love landuse for buildings. I use this method to map most business and factories.

Re: [Tagging] Produce tags for orchards

2017-08-02 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Jul 29, 2017, at 11:22 PM, Tobias Zwick wrote: > > I find to tag the crop / produce of farmland is rather ineffective, as > the actual crop being cultivated can and will change over the years or > even multiple times a year. (See "crop rotation") Most of the

Re: [Tagging] Solar shop

2017-08-01 Thread John Willis
> On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > That would leave us with: > > sells:photovoltaic_devices=yes/no > sells:wind_turbines=yes/no Seems like a good fit. I assume storage battery systems (like the Tesla powerpacks) will become something sold as

Re: [Tagging] Solar shop

2017-08-01 Thread John Willis
> On Aug 2, 2017, at 12:06 AM, SwiftFast wrote: > > shop=power_equipment > power_equpiment="(photovoltaic, wind, battery, etc)" > (NOT power= Yea, you guys are right. My mistake. Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Formally informal sidewalks

2017-07-13 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:28 PM, Svavar Kjarrval wrote: > > when the "common sense" approach would be to "just go > across the street". This is a question I have too, and I’m wondering if this is something you solve at the tagging or engine level. Afaik, this is why the

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-09 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The word civic ... conveys what Something for the public good; a civil service. Javbw. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-09 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 8:30 PM, John Willis <jo...@mac.com> wrote: > > civic It also matches building=civic and the (unapproved) landuse=civic_admin Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] key trees

2017-07-10 Thread John Willis
I might be wrong, but there seemed to be a big push a while back to make “landuse=farmland” take over any land where stuff is grown and have crop=* handle what is physically there and the produces=* tag handle what is harvested. A lot of the grapes grown in my area are on horizontal steel

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-08 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 8, 2017, at 7:01 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > How then are 'offices' that do 'sell a service' to the public distinguished? > The 'access' key? That is the tough question. Apple HQ has visitors, but 99% of their offices (and they have a hundred or so office

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-08 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 8, 2017, at 11:11 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > Why is it shop=hairdresser or travel_agency, but office=estate_agent? TL;DR: Shop: a retail space selling foods, goods, or services to customers, and is not a restaurant. Office: an commercial space

Re: [Tagging] Formally informal sidewalks

2017-07-14 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32 PM, Nick Bolten wrote: > > > --> need to add all driveways? > > This is generally a good idea - and to make sure they share a node. To me, if you are considering adding sidewalks, you’ve already committed to adding the service roads/tracks/etc.

Re: [Tagging] Formally informal sidewalks

2017-07-15 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 4:18 PM, Nick Bolten wrote: > > sort (not unlike a *_link for roads) This was my reasoning for highway= footway_link earlier, perhaps highway=footway_routing might be a more accurate tag. =} Javbw. ___

Re: [Tagging] Formally informal sidewalks

2017-07-15 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > My neighbour's driveway is longer than > mine (it's a company) and now OsmAnd insists on taking his, because it > comes closer to my house. Admittedly, I don’t map a lot of residential driveways (because most

Re: [Tagging] Formally informal sidewalks

2017-07-15 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Svavar Kjarrval wrote: > > Just to be clear: Is it valid, in your opinion, to connect the end of a > footway along a street, directly to the street itself? If the street becomes the route, I say yes, especially if there is no reasonable

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-07 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 7, 2017, at 8:45 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > +1, let's get rid of "like a shop", and of "selling services" as only > requirement. I think we are in agreement in almost all respects. I know healthcare proposals are huge and have been adopted (?) -

Re: [Tagging] Beautified JSON presets for natural=tree

2017-07-22 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 22, 2017, at 9:50 PM, Adam Snape wrote: > > Removing the name key from the JOSM preset wouldn't stop somebody adding a > name tag in the few cases where a tree really was named. Nor would it remove > name tags from existing trees. Gotcha. I assume the vast

Re: [Tagging] Recommendation for building tags

2017-07-27 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 27, 2017, at 3:52 PM, Vozniuk Taras wrote: > > So non-permanent is a building structure constructed for a defined short > period of time. Like Circus tent for example. It stays there for a defined 1 > month. Unless it is for some international event

Re: [Tagging] Beautified JSON presets for natural=tree

2017-07-22 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Jul 22, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Pander wrote: > > 5. remove key `name` as it is rare for trees As a person who has tagged a named tree, please don’t remove it. A tree was named and planted near my house 300 years ago, and it is a local tourist spot.

[Tagging] Power Tower Landuse = ?

2017-06-29 Thread John Willis
Which landuse is appropriate for power towers? http://www.tepco.co.jp/pg/electricity-supply/operation/images/img_substation_04.jpg here is a picture of some of the towers I am talking about. In this case,

Re: [Tagging] Power Tower Landuse = ?

2017-06-30 Thread John Willis
> On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > For example where pylons cross farmland I use “tower” because that is the tag: Power=tower I know there re many situations where the tower base is wide and tall and and just sits on the land, not disturbing it. I

Re: [Tagging] Power Tower Landuse = ?

2017-07-03 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 1, 2017, at 6:04 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > in this case you could consider landuse=industrial IMHO. I see that landuse=railway is rendered as industrial in osm-carto, and it seems like other long-term infrastructure (power towers, communication

Re: [Tagging] Services provided by a travel agency

2017-07-03 Thread John Willis
> On Jun 30, 2017, at 7:13 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > We do have tourism information centres, where they hold stocks of brochures > etc telling tourists what attractions there are in the area, Our local tourism office operates out of the train station,

Re: [Tagging] Power Tower Landuse = ?

2017-07-04 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 5, 2017, at 1:26 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > the landuse, if they cross farmland the land beneath them is still farmland > or in the case of this photo natural=wood. Yes, I agree there instances where the pylons sit on a landuse, and it doesn’t

Re: [Tagging] Power Tower Landuse = ?

2017-07-05 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 6, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So it is a known definition, even in the United States. +1 As an american (living in Japan) I use pylons (plural) to refer to the line of the structures, often when viewed from a distance. Ie: “look at those pylons

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-07 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 7, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > charity office, a government office, the office of an ngo, the office of an > association, etc., they don't sell a service, I think in he strictest of terms, they do - the embassy offers passport and

Re: [Tagging] Power Tower Landuse = ?

2017-07-04 Thread John Willis
Last Saturday, I took some pictures of the towers/pylons near my home. I uploaded 11 images to a flickr album here. You can easily get an idea of what I am talking about (separated or “abandoned” landuses), and the massive scale of some of the tower/pylons. there are refs and descriptions for

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-04-26 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 25, 2017, at 8:46 PM, Tobias Wrede <l...@tobias-wrede.de> wrote: > > Am 25.04.2017 um 11:21 schrieb John Willis: >> If I search for a supermarket and you send me to a 7-11, you failed. > > I partly agree but when I tag Walmart or Trader Joe's as a supermar

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-04-24 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Apr 24, 2017, at 11:50 PM, Tobias Wrede wrote: > > In my area in Germany only the big main "Deutsche Post" offices of a city > have survived. This is true in the US - I have maybe 3 post offices I can think of in 4-5 KM of my old house in San Diego. I

Re: [Tagging] Proper parking lot separation

2017-04-28 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Apr 28, 2017, at 10:42 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Bicycle parking is different, its not an area This is untrue. If you are thinking of the pipes or other lock points for 2-3 bikes you see scattered around a place with a few recreational bikers, yea.

Re: [Tagging] Proper parking lot separation

2017-04-28 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Apr 29, 2017, at 3:16 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > sense, it is more socially expected that you respect it. I understand that, but if we are tagging what exists, then we should be able to describe it. People park cars _all the time_ in the big

Re: [Tagging] Mapping pubs as full areas

2017-04-27 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 23, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Dave F wrote: > > Where appropriate I've been mapping them as 'full areas' by which I mean a > polygon which encompasses the boundary of the property to include all parts > such as garden, play area, car park etc. Perfect.

[Tagging] Proper parking lot separation

2017-04-27 Thread John Willis
Very large facilities often have separated parking for various types of vehicles. We represent these with basic tags - car, bicycle, motorbike parking, but I am wondering how to tag large vehicle parking (semi trucks and similar size), bus parking (distinct in many parking lots catering to

Re: [Tagging] Proper parking lot separation

2017-04-28 Thread John Willis
I wish the parking lot tagging page took more of these issues into account when discussing how to tag them. HGV (trucks?), bus, and motorhome might need their own seperate parking amenity tags - having them spring from car parking via access seems really weird when cars are not allowed to use

Re: [Tagging] Proper parking lot separation

2017-04-27 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 28, 2017, at 9:04 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Most of the 'amenity' for disabled places seams to be a wider parking area > (to allow doors to fully open with space for a wheelchair) with close > proximity to the entry. Below are some amenities that are common here

Re: [Tagging] Solar shop

2017-08-01 Thread John Willis
> On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, SwiftFast wrote: > > shop=renewable_energy_equipment This is the right idea, but I would actually go more broadly. There is gonna be different methods and combinations going forward. I would go with shop=power_generators and power=*, so any

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