Re: 10.4.0.16

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 19 September 2023 at 12:54 Alexander Petrari via TBBETA wrote and
made these points

TBL> 64-bit 
https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/v10/thebat_64_10-4-0-16.msi

... 

TBL> [-] GnuPG signature with empty password was losing first line of the input

... 

U&R. Fixed.

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Re: 10.4.0.15

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 18 September 2023 at 07:04 Alexander Petrari via TBBETA wrote and
made these points

TBL> Versions with the auto-update feature:
TBL> 32-bit 
https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/v10/thebat_32_10-4-0-15.msi
TBL> 64-bit 
https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/v10/thebat_64_10-4-0-15.msi

... 

I just backed down to 11 because 15 fails to accept my GPG passphrase on 
signing.

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Re: [MOD] 10.4.0.11 - Error Messages

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 17 August 2023 at 17:57 Richard Newman via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

... 

TBL> Requested files attached.


A note to all - when exception log requests are made, it should be made clear 
that those should not be sent via the list and would be better sent direct to 
RITLabs. The resulting huge message will only be detained by the automated 
message-size police built into the list management engine.


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Re: 10.4.0.6

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On 27 June 2023 at 11:03 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> 
https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/v10/thebat_64_10-4-0-6.msi
... 

U&R

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Re: 10.4

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 29/05/2023 13:45, Alexander Petrari via TBBETA wrote:


64-bit 
https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/v10/thebat_64_10-4.msi


Up and, sadly, still not running for me :-(

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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 24/05/2023 20:50, Stuart Cuddy wrote:

Hello Marck,
Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 2:22:08 PM, you wrote:


Weird. If you download Process Explorer > 
, run it and The Bat, > double-click 
thebat.exe in Process Explorer and check the Threads tab > – it should show you where it 
hung.

It's not showing a hung thread, but the UI is drawn empty and frozen as shown 
in this screen shot.

If you run Ctrl-Alt-Delete is there still a process running. If so The Bat will 
not restart.


The situation is that the processes are already under close scrutiny 
(using System Explorer and procexp) and the sole TB process is hanging 
on startup with no other TB processes in the system. ProcExp has shown 
none of the TB process threads actually hung (as far as I can tell - I 
may be looking at the wrong thing).


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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 24/05/2023 19:28, Jernej Simončič wrote:
Weird. If you download Process Explorer 
, run it and The Bat, 
double-click thebat.exe in Process Explorer and check the Threads tab 
– it should show you where it hung. 


It's not showing a hung thread, but the UI is drawn empty and frozen as 
shown in this screen shot.


Screenshot of hung TB


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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 23/05/2023 12:55, Jernej Simončič wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 12:38:49, Marck Pearlstone wrote:


Then I ran 10.3.3.16 and here I am again. I've taken the opportunity to toggle 
the option and will now pray for stability.

I hope it helps. 


Sadly, prayers unanswered and stability not maintained. I just found TB 
completely unresponsive in the tooltray, terminated, re-ran and I'm back 
to locked out.


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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 23/05/2023 12:55, Jernej Simončič wrote:
Then I ran 10.3.3.16 and here I am again. I've taken the opportunity 
to toggle the option and will now pray for stability.

I hope it helps. 


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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 23 May 2023 at 15:02 Георгий, Белрус wrote and made these points

>>> Setting the single process option (and restarting TB) should work around 
>>> that.

GS> AFAIR, running CEF in single kills showing attached documents inside TB! Am 
I wrong? 

The switch says that it "could be unstable on some systems. No PDF viewer", but 
I can still select PDF and DocX tabs and view that attached document. So 
perhaps it's only on unstable systems that the PDF viewer fails.

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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 23 May 2023 at 12:55 Jernej Simončič wrote and made these points

>> Then I ran 10.3.3.16 and here I am again. I've taken the opportunity to 
>> toggle the option and will now pray for stability.

JS> I hope it helps. There is something weird with TB's CEF – unless I have 
that option enabled, certain programs (one of them is LibreOffice, another is a 
dictionary program that was last updated in 2002) freeze when I first run them, 
and I have to kill and restart the program before it'll finish loading. I'm not 
even sure how that happens, the programs do not interact in any way.

I have exactly the same issue with LibreOffice here.

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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 22 May 2023 at 14:59 Jernej Simončič wrote and made these points

JS> I've been thinking about this for the last several days – can you maybe run 
an older version of The Bat, and change the setting there, then update?

So - I installed 10.1, which didn't run, downloaded and installed the v103 CEF 
binaries, which also didn't help much.

Then I ran 10.3.3.16 and here I am again. I've taken the opportunity to toggle 
the option and will now pray for stability.

I think the installation here crumbled when I attempted to enable links to my 
Google Calendar.

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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 19/05/2023 10:55, Jernej Simončič wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023, 10:07:12, Marck Pearlstone wrote:


I am completely locked out of TB. Every update that has come since 10.3.3.3 
runs for about 3 days but always grinds to a halt, has to be terminated with 
Taskman and it won't work again. It just hangs trying to draw the main window.

Does toggling Preferences → General → Run CEF browser in single process  make 
any difference?


Since I am locked out of the UI, I can't do this. Perhaps the next beta 
will let me run long enough to set that.


(sent again because of white font used in reply - Thunderbird - sheesh).

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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

[Marck Pearlstone]

Hi Jernej,

On 19/05/2023 10:55, Jernej Simončič wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023, 10:07:12, Marck Pearlstone wrote:


I am completely locked out of TB. Every update that has come since 10.3.3.3 
runs for about 3 days but always grinds to a halt, has to be terminated with 
Taskman and it won't work again. It just hangs trying to draw the main window.

Does toggling Preferences → General → Run CEF browser in single process  make 
any difference?

Since I am locked out of the UI, I can't do this. Perhaps the next beta 
will let me run long enough to set that.


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Re: Fwd: Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 18/05/2023 09:58, Георгий, Белрус wrote:


[-] The "Access Violation" and "A component named FolderEditor
already exists" error messages on opening folder properties have
been fixed


- I do have installed 3-3-3-16 two days already, it's better than 
previous. But I still have it access violation error many time in a day




I am completely locked out of TB. Every update that has come since 
10.3.3.3 runs for about 3 days but always grinds to a halt, has to be 
terminated with Taskman and it won't work again. It just hangs trying to 
draw the main window.


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Re: TB10 address book

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 12 April 2023 at 10:52 Jay Walker wrote and made these points

> Anyway, after toying with this for over 30 minutes I have finally found a way 
> to get the desired results. But the process is hellacious, and I won't bother 
> to write it all down.

 
This was my solution to any new address book issues, adopted very early on. I 
find the new one unusable. Perhaps things have improved in it since its first 
introduction, but it was so unworkable I haven't risked looking at it since.
 
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Re: 10.3.3.4

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 15 March 2023 at 13:41 Alexander Petrari via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> The Bat! v10.3.3.4 is out there:

... 

U&R

TBL> Have fun!

I'll try!

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Re: 10.1.0.4

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 22 September 2022 at 17:18 Jernej Simončič wrote and made these
points

> Status bar in main window in this version is tiny (looks like it's rendered 
> at 100% DPI):
I see the same thing.
 
 
  
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Re: GPGME

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 05 September 2022 at 16:45 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and
made these points

TBL> Now, we should figure out what would be better - provide GPGME support in 
32 bit version only or improve support of console GnuPG eliminating existing 
problems in both 32 and 64 bit versions. From the current standpoint, the 
latter is preferrable.

TBL> There is an option to produce a 64bit Windows version of GnuPG, but it's 
not quite clear how much resources it woud require...

As a user of the 64bit build, I am in favour of any solution that provides 
(ideally, improved) GnuPG support for this version. 

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Re: The Editor

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 27 June 2022 at 18:09 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> What are the biggest PITAs you experience with the editor, anyway?

For me, it's marking text with the keyboard and cursor. The editor doesn't 
cancel the anchor point so when you begin a Shift+Cursor select operation, the 
marked block begins wherever the last marked point was within the text instead 
of where the cursor currently is (except where the cursor  happens to be in the 
same location or for the first marking operation). Very frustrating.

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Re: v10 is now released

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 07 May 2022 at 12:47 Ethan J. Mings wrote and made these points

... 
EJM>>> Also, it is picking up Microsoft Teams appointments when it should not.

>> I will second this. I received a teams appointment in an email yesterday and 
>> the calendar event created had discarded the link to join the meeting.

EJM> I think a real development question for the RIT labs is the question about 
exchange capability.  Most email clients today synch with Exchange servers in a 
seamless and effective manner.  Personally, while IMAP is ok, I would prefer my 
client to synch with exchange so that information on any device is accurate.  I 
dread looking at a calendar on one device only to find out its incorrect.

It's one question, yes. I don't use exchange at all, nor Outlook. My system 
calendar links to my Google calendar. I have to manually import any .ics files 
using the Edge "App" for Google Calendar. Double-clicking an appointment 
attachment used to open it in Windows Calendar. From the latest build, TB has 
taken over handling them and does exactly the same job as Windows calendar did 
- a bad one. The data is flattened and content is lost. All that remains is the 
title and the time/date. For a teams meeting, it is pretty useless. I have to 
export the file and manually import it to my system/Google calendar.

... just to add an alternate and additional perspective.

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Re: v10 is now released

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 07 May 2022 at 01:01 Ethan J. Mings wrote and made these points

>> What do you mean by turning off and what is not working correctly?

EJM> The calendar feature does not work the Exchange server.  Therefore, the 
calendar is not useful or reliable for meeting appointments.

EJM> Also, it is picking up Microsoft Teams appointments when it should not.

I will second this. I received a teams appointment in an email yesterday and 
the calendar event created had discarded the link to join the meeting.

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Re: V10 beta: It is time for me to step aside

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 21 February 2022 at 16:53 MAU wrote and made these points

M> Tomorrow will be the 20th anniversary of my joining this beta list, as 
M> you can see in the partial message that I quote below:

... 

M> SO LONG MY FRIENDS! IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE! AND PLEASE TAKE CARE!

Thank you, Miguel, for your kind contributions over the 2 decades you have 
donated to this group. 

It's been great to have you here and I will miss you, for sure. 

Enjoy your retirement, old friend.

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Re: 9.4.2: HTML editor not ready for release

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 11 July 2021 at 03:50 Thomas Fernandez wrote and made these points

... 

TF> Do you mean something like I described in my posting 
 ?

TF> By the way, only the mid numberr is highlighted here in the editor, not the 
"mid:" part. Let's see whether the link works when the message is received from 
the list. 

I see the same in the received message here.

The link doesn't work. It does do something. It blanks the current message 
view. The message can be redisplayed easily enough by switching between display 
tabs in a message with multiple parts. The link *does* work and appear 
correctly in the quote above, which makes this a bug in the HTML editor.

I also see:

Summoning my 'snip' QT using its defined  hotkey. Using 
 to summon it by handle no longer even tries to work. It just 
brings up the QT list with my snip QT selected, which half works. This is true 
of both MicroEd and the HTML editor.

Paste as quote from original HTML into Plain Text reply only puts the reply 
quote in from of the first line of a paragraph, even one that's wrapping.

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Re: 9.3.3.3

[Marck Pearlstone]

Title: Re: 9.3.3.3



On 06 April 2021 at 14:42 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> Version 9.3.3.3 ALPHA is available

... 

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.3.3.3-x64.7z

TBL> Here is  a short list of changes:

... 

As with .2, this build does not open. Reverting to .1



,--/ Relevant ex_log.txt data \--
v9.3.3.3 ALPHA 64-bit / 06/04/2021 14:45:54.171 StartupMgr:StartMainform EAccessViolation Access violation at address 01E94EB1 in module 'thebat64.exe'. Read of address 0030
v9.3.3.3 ALPHA 64-bit / 06/04/2021 14:46:08.001 StartupMgr:FinalizeTBXProps EAccessViolation Access violation at address 10285800. Execution of address 10285800
v9.3.3.3 ALPHA 64-bit / 06/04/2021 14:46:08.027 MainForm:SecondAct EAccessViolation Access violation at address 10285800. Execution of address 10285800
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Re: 9.3.3.2

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 31 March 2021 at 17:48 George Salnik wrote and made these points

GS> Вы писали 31.03.21 г., 18:27:37:

... 

GS> Can't use it (x64 + Antuspam sniper, dark theme). Have error, see in the 
attach.
GS> Return back, wait new alpha's. 

+1

x64, no plugins.

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Re: Annoying interaction between MinToTray and Ticker

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 10 November 2020 at 13:16 Daniel van Rooijen wrote and made these
points

... 
DVR> ... to call or dismiss the program, I simply
DVR> click on that system tray icon.

To clarify - the bug is not in MinToTray nor in clicking on the icon - it's in 
the hotkey.

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Re: Annoying interaction between MinToTray and Ticker

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 10 November 2020 at 13:16 Daniel van Rooijen wrote and made these
points

... 
DVR> You may well have identified a bug, but to establish that more firmly,
DVR> I think you should remove the third-party tool from the equation and
DVR> see if the problem still occurs without it.

Thanks for the response.

I state in the OP that it happens when I use the TB HotKey without using 
StrokesPlus.

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Annoying interaction between MinToTray and Ticker

[Marck Pearlstone]

Greetings Bat Fans,

Here's an odd bit of behaviour that goes back a long way and is not specific to 
recent changes.

I keep TB minimised to the tooltray. I use a 3rd party tool called StrokesPlus 
to summon and dismiss TB with a mouse stroke that emits the system hotkey 
defined in the TB system hotkeys (in this case, Ctl+Alt+Shift+B) to perform 
this function.  I read any new incoming mail using the MailTicker. Most of the 
time, this is all just fine.

Here's the problem: If I have been using the main interface - maybe I'm writing 
a reply to something in a folder somewhere or looking up some information. I 
use the MinToTray hotkey (keyboard or StrokesPlus - it doesn't make a 
difference) to get the main interface off screen. I double click the ticker to 
read new mail. The main screen reappears before the ticker folder opens. It 
shouldn't. If I MinToTray at this point, the main window (hidden behind the 
MailTicker window) come to the fore, as if I had just summoned it. Once I 
MinToTray this instance, it will stay hidden the next time I open the 
MailTicker.

It may be due to new mail arriving while the front end is open.

Also - I found a nasty display issue while composing this message. Every time I 
minimised the edit window and opened the MailTicker, when I came back to this 
message, some lines were missing or replaced by a repetition of the line 
directly above. This was a display bug, evidenced by highlighting the broken 
text of the message, cutting and pasting. The pasted text was the text as it 
should have been.

I realise the MinToTray issue is a pretty esoteric one, but I wanted to 
document it - it's driving me nuts!

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Re: Attachments with more than 150 kb

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 10 October 2020 at 13:56 George Salnik wrote and made these points

GS> I do sent bug of 9-2-5-2 with ~300 kb attachment. And moderator block it. 
Because needs no moer 15o kb. Are you kidding me? 21st century.

GS> Please do allow attachments with ~3 mb please

We only recently doubled the limit to 150kb from 75kb for the Beta list. We 
have several hundred members of this list and the hosts prefer us not to use 
that much bandwidth. If you were attaching a screenshot or a log, please trim 
the content to show the relevant issues. If there is general support for 
increasing the limit more, I can discuss it with the admin of the host system.

Opinions?

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Re: 9.2.3 MSI

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 05 September 2020 at 08:10 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and
made these points

>> I guess it's a default behaviour for fresh MSI and EXE downloads now - I've 
>> checked on some other software from widely known vendors (Slack, Firefox, FL 
>> Studio) and see the same warning.

TBL> Actually, skip it - I see the issue is with the SmartScreen, not with the 
browser.

TBL> Yeah, the new certificate seems to cause this issue - it needs to gain 
reputation so the SS thing stops to bug users.

I received the message, clicked on various "Keep this" links and ended up at an 
MS site where I had the opportunity to state the package as "safe" as either a 
user OR the publisher. It may be worth you doing this and entering the 
publisher details.

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Re: 9.2.0.9 RC3

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On 29 June 2020 at 10:51 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

>> Page not found for either.

TBL> Yeah, please excuse me about the mess - Alexander and Gwen
TBL> posted the right links already. 

I had spotted that and am U&R.

TBL> I've put links for Beta files into templates so errors could be
TBL> avoided, but I guess the same should be done for RC MSIs :)

Good idea :-)

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Re: 9.2.0.9 RC3

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On 29 June 2020 at 09:59 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> 
https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_32_9-2-0-9-test.msi
TBL> 
https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_64_9-2-0-9-test.msi

Page not found for either.

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Re: 9.2.0.7

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On 26 June 2020 at 19:19 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

... 
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.0.7-x64.7z
... 

U&R

When  replying  to  an HTML message, if I pick MicroEd from the status
bar menu, the reply is reformatted from html to text with reply layout
and quotes have a chevron prefix.

If  I  use  Ctrl+1 to change editor, the reply is flat with no chevron
prefix to the quoted text.

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Re: Mod: HTML use (was: 9.2.0.2)

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On 17 June 2020 at 18:45 Ira wrote and made these points

... 
Marck>> ... You can easily automate this by using
Marck>> %SetEditor="1" in your list template.


I> I must not be violating the rules, but I want that feature for some
I> other things and You;ve piqued my interest. What is a "list template"
I> and where do I find it?

It's  just  "The  template  that  gets  used for emails written to the
list".  In  my  case,  it's  the  address  book  Reply and New message
templates  for  the  list address. It's not a specific thing. Some use
folder templates for this. That's always been something I've avoided.

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Re: 9.2.0.1

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On 13 June 2020 at 08:59 Jernej Simončič wrote and made these points

JS> Another problem: I've got TB set to start when I log in, and but
JS> instead of starting, it showed

JS> ---
JS> Error
JS> ---
JS> CEF binaries missing !
... 

JS> Starting it from the icon worked fine. Is this a working directory
JS> issue?

Yes.  Find  the  shortcut in the Startup folder and put the TB Program
Files folder path into the Start In field.

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Re: 9.2.0.1

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 12 June 2020 at 16:16 mse wrote and made these points

... 
M> Delete old task bar icon
M> Start TB! via Exe-doubleclick
M> Add it to task bar while in running state
M> Close TB!
M> Start it via task bar icon gives the aforementioned errors.

Confirmed - with reasons.

I  have  an old link in the Start menu, which also results in the same
error.  If  I  open  the  containing  folder  and  edit  the  shortcut
properties  and  add  the  path to the exe into the (blank) "Start in"
field,  the saved link then works. I'm going to guess that the "Add to
taskbar while running" action results in a shortcut with no "Start In"
path.

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Re: 9.2.0.1

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On 12 June 2020 at 15:26 MAU wrote and made these points

>> I have the HTML viewer in Preferences set to Manual download.

M> And what does 'Manual download' actually mean?

My  guess  is that it should be referring to the old download manager,
but it's not linked in yet. I'm in a "I suppose we shall see" mode.

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Re: 9.2.0.1

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 12 June 2020 at 12:16 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.0.1-x64.7z

... 
TBL> [*] Loading of external resources for HTML messages (to be
TBL> extended) can be set on HTML Viewer Preferences' page

..  with  no  current  way to administrate manual mode - the 'download
manager' is no longer there.

TBL> [-] Lots of cosmetic fixes 

I can, at last, just hit reply and type. The hang on new message issue
is gone! ThankyouThankyouThankyouThankyou!

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Re: 9.2.0.1

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On 12 June 2020 at 12:56 Alexander Petrari via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> Please get this updated archive for the 64-bit version:
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.0.1-x64-fix.7z

... 

Thank you!

U&R

The  Chromium renderer does seem to work much better, but the download
manager  is  not  showing.  I guess the internal renderer is no longer
being  used  so  the switcher would have been removed from the message
viewer.

I have the HTML viewer in Preferences set to Manual download.

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Re: 9.2.0.1

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Title: Re: 9.2.0.1



On 12 June 2020 at 12:16 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

... 
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.0.1-x64.7z




I can't run this build. All of these files seem present, but I get this error message before TB closes.

Reverted to previous build.

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Re: Kinda roadmap ;)

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 10 June 2020 at 09:36 Jernej Simončič wrote and made these points

JS> On Monday, June 1, 2020, 23:48:18, Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote:

>> - after that, we're going to remove the outdated built-in HTML
>> renderer and IE-based system's one and use Chromium-based renderer
... 

JS> Oh great, another copy of Chromium running :)

JS> I really wouldn't mind if IE stays, as long as it'd respect the Image
JS> Download Manager (it currently doesn't).

Except...  not even Microsoft use the IE engine any more. Edge browser
on  Win10  uses Chrome. I am not enthusiastic about keeping ties to an
API that the maker no longer uses.

The  TB  native rendering engine doesn't do a great job for me. A tiny
percentage of HTML mails show correct formatting at my end so I end up
reluctantly  relying  on the system HTML renderer (despite the lack of
obedience to the download manager).

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Re: 9.1.18.7

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 08 June 2020 at 07:03 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

>> In the past, announcements had the *32.rar listed before the
>> *64.rar. Now you want us to actually look at it first?

TBL> Hmmm. Actually, I didn't think the list order in the announcement matters  
:-)

I don't think it does, myself.

TBL> Basically, I think there should be no difference in priority
TBL> between 32 and 64 bits as both are in use. 

TBL> By the way, it would be nice to see what is version is used more today...

64 bit here.

While I'm here...

Beta  7 breaks the new/old customisation features a bit. I had a small
toolbar  ("ExtraActions")  that  I coded up with hotkeys and docked to
the  side  of  the  main  window.  In the new version, that toolbar is
floating  free and has no right click options to dock or customise and
won't  drag/dock.  2  of  the buttons in it have shortcut mappings for
"Follow  next" and "Follow previous". The shortcut keys still work but
those  2  options  are  not  present in the main toolbar customisation
dialog for me to rebuild the bar in the other customiser.

In  the  area  of  PITA  bugs, I will mention another, longer standing
issue  I have that nobody here was able to confirm. Every time I start
a new message - whether a reply to a message or a simple new message -
there  is a ~10 second unresponsive freeze in the UI. The days of "hit
reply  and  type"  are  gone. It seems to me that this behaviour began
with  early  v9  releases.  This problem is unrelated to reply length,
HTML  (I  default to plain text and force HTML manually if i need it),
template  (I've  used  a blank one to test). It's driving me nuts! For
the first time in more than 20 years I'm actually wondering if another
client  may suit me better. Task manager shows TB using 10-12% at this
point where it would normally max out at 5% and tick over at < 1%.

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Re: Kinda roadmap ;)

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 04 June 2020 at 04:27 Thomas Fernandez wrote and made these points

... 
Thomas>>> Then your editor behaves different from mine. I use MicroEd, and you
Thomas>>> can see my Windows and TB version in my sig. How about yours?

>> It's been broken since V9 was released. I've reported it before and
>> it's been confirmed by others. It sadly does not matter to me if you
... 

TF> I wasn't aware this has already been confirmed. Is there a BT entry
TF> which may specify the editor, so I can check whether it happens here
TF> too?
... 

Just  to  clarify - Ira is talking about the recipient address line in
the message header, which is completely separate from which editor you
are  using and uses a standard windows edit field. The fact of whether
you  use MicroEd or another to edit the message body is not related to
the problem.

This is a not actually a bug but it is a very annoying behaviour.

For  example: a message is being written to freder...@domain.com and I
want  to change that to fr...@domain.com. I highlight "erick" and type
an 'a'. 'erick' disappears, but then the auto-address look up kicks in
and  deletes  everything  after  the  'a'  I just typed so it can list
matching addresses.

IMHO  TB  should  be  able  to  perform an address lookup using cursor
position without having to truncate the remainder of the field content
so  that  I can accept "fr...@domain.com" without having to retype the
remainder (or hope the lookup finds it).

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Mod: Goodbye (was Re: How to kill open Email and help Mark Zuckerberg etc (was: Mod: HTML use (was: Delay when creating new message)))

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 14 May 2020 at 08:26 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points

... 

>> Please do not send HTML messages to the list except

>  with such messages, the open Netnews was kind of killed and the closed shop 
> Twitter established.

Quibbling  with  moderators  after  personally attacking long-standing
members  will  kind  of  kill off your welcome here Lüko and this list
becomes  a  closed  shop to you. To make it worse, you have once again
flouted  the  rule  being  pointed  out  in  what I would deem an open
rebellion.  I  am  telling  you  this  here  so that other readers can
understand what happens in the face of such behaviour.

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Re: Delay when creating new message

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On 11 May 2020 at 04:00 Thomas Fernandez wrote and made these points

>> I  have  been  experiencing a 15 second delay between a message editor
>> window  opening  (new message, reply or forward - all the same) during
>> which the whole TB interface is frozen.

... 

TF> It happens to me when replying to large HTML mails. Large in the sense
TF> of many replies.

It's not that or anything close because:

1. I rarely use HTML mail - extremely rarely!
2. I abhor top-posting soup. Yes, I use it for work email, but it not
relevant to this issue

... 

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Re: Delay when creating new message

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 10 May 2020 at 17:23 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points

LW> on Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 at 14:50  Marck Pearlstone 
 wrote
LW> re Delay when creating new message

... 
>>  10/05/2020, 13:16:40: IMAP  - Connecting to IMAP server 
>> mail.silverstones.com on port 143
... 
>>  10/05/2020, 13:16:46: IMAP  - Connecting to IMAP server 
>> mail.silverstones.com on port 143
... 
>>  10/05/2020, 13:17:28: IMAP  - Disconnected

LW>   I wonder why your system is not logged in to IMAP all the time,
LW> and then why there TheBat! is logging in to the IMAP4 server twice within 6 
seconds.

A  good  question. That may be the issue - I will try "Stay logged in"
as the setting if I can find it... which I can't...

LW>   Besides, for writing and sending a message, this goes via SMTP,
LW> not IMAP4, just as also POP3 is only for receiving.

Ah  -  you'd  have  thought  so.  Except...  the  outbound  message is
originally  created in the Outbox IMAP folder as a draft message. Only
the completed message will be sent via SMTP.

LW>   I just created and sent a message via one of my IMAP accounts,
LW> just for testing, and there was no need to connect via IMAP4. 

LW>   No delay at all in creating the message and sending it.

This  is  why  I  am not going to create a bug report... unless anyone
else has this experience.

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Re: Delay when creating new message

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 10 May 2020 at 14:35 Andrew Savchenko wrote and made these points

>> This  shows  a lot of activity reading and writing the account_log.txt

AS> I have no such file. Searching this mailing list returns two results,
AS> one from Gwen back in October 2019 and another one from David Elliot 9
AS> days ago. This makes me think writing to "account_log.txt" is optional
AS> and can be disabled.

I found this:

> The Bat! v6.0.0.19 BETA is available at
... 
> [*] Account log is now saved to ACCOUNT_LOG.TXT, not to
> ACCOUNT.LOG as before (Alpha issue)

I will look for more ways to reduce the traffic to this log. I already
found  and  turned off the account "Verbose Logging" toggle. It didn't
improve anything.

AS> Perhaps try launching Bat directly from CMD or PowerShell:
AS> `./thebat64.exe` without flags.

I  don't  load  with flags anyway, but this instance has been executed
from  cmd.  No  change  in  starting  this reply - a long pause and an
unresponsive window.

AS> Next, give a go to `/STARTUP_TIMING_LOG` and `/BENCHMARK_STARTUP_TIME`.
AS> Former will create "ex_log.txt" file to analyse.

While  I  could  do  this, I'm not getting the relevance. TB starts up
smoothly  in  a  couple  of  seconds.  The only lag I get in the whole
system  is  when I open a new message edit window - either for a reply
or a new message.

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Re: Delay when creating new message

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 10 May 2020 at 12:42 Andrew Savchenko wrote and made these points

AS> Sunday, May 10, 2020, 8:48:31 PM, you wrote:

>> I turned it back on manually to complete this reply.

AS> ...which arrived unsigned.

I  did  turn back on the "Sign when complete" switch and it did prompt
me for my GPG signing passphrase. How strange!

AS> On the more serious note, you might try in-built logging functionality

I've checked logs but see nothing to indicate a struggle.

 10/05/2020, 13:16:40: IMAP  - Connecting to IMAP server mail.silverstones.com 
on port 143
 10/05/2020, 13:16:40: IMAP  - Connected to IMAP server (mail.silverstones.com)
>10/05/2020, 13:16:40: IMAP  - silverstones.com IMAP4rev1 MDaemon 8.0.3 ready
 10/05/2020, 13:16:40: IMAP  - Authenticating (user: "ma...@silverstones.com", 
method: "LOGIN")...
 10/05/2020, 13:16:40: IMAP  - IMAP server authentication OK, server says 
"LOGIN completed"
 10/05/2020, 13:16:46: IMAP  - Connecting to IMAP server mail.silverstones.com 
on port 143
 10/05/2020, 13:16:46: IMAP  - Connected to IMAP server (mail.silverstones.com)
>10/05/2020, 13:16:46: IMAP  - silverstones.com IMAP4rev1 MDaemon 8.0.3 ready
 10/05/2020, 13:16:46: IMAP  - Authenticating (user: "ma...@silverstones.com", 
method: "LOGIN")...
 10/05/2020, 13:16:46: IMAP  - IMAP server authentication OK, server says 
"LOGIN completed"
 10/05/2020, 13:17:28: IMAP  - Disconnected

No exceptions at this point.

AS> as well as the `Procmon.exe` from Sysinternals. Latter will show you
AS> roughly which call takes longer than expected.

This  shows  a lot of activity reading and writing the account_log.txt
file  and  opening TBN files 100s (if not 1000s) of times. The longest
pregnant  pause  is  4.2  seconds  spent creating an ACCOUNT.FLB file.
Other than that, there are a couple of functions that take up to 500ms
to  perform,  while  the  rest  is  time  taken  doing  1000s  of file
read/write operations.

AS> Next logical step would be WinDBG.

Yeah - no. I'm not doing that - too much like hard work!!

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Re: Delay when creating new message

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 10 May 2020 at 11:08 Andrew Savchenko wrote and made these points

>> Is anyone else seeing this strange behaviour?

AS> A bit of a shot in the dark, but have you tried with GPG disabled?

Just tried (not easy - it's in my QT's to enable it). No difference.

I turned it back on manually to complete this reply.

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Delay when creating new message

[Marck Pearlstone]

Greetings Bat Fans,

I  have  been  experiencing a 15 second delay between a message editor
window  opening  (new message, reply or forward - all the same) during
which the whole TB interface is frozen.

This  has  become  a  source  of  extreme  frustration for me. Hitting
"Reply" and typing your thoughts is a distant memory for me.

Is anyone else seeing this strange behaviour?

I'm  writing  here, but this has been true for me for a long time now,
over  several  releases.  I  can't  even  remember  at what point this
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Re: Future of TB* mailing lists

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 10 May 2020 at 03:06 Andrew Savchenko wrote and made these points


AS> It is 2020 out there and TB mailing lists seem to be a little outdated.

AS> Screenshots being stripped from the messages unless it all fits in 25Kb,

(With amendments from the TBUDL response).

In the case of TBUDL, this seems to be happening regardless of size. I
have  looked  but  the  settings don't specify to do that. The hosting
server  has  shifted twice since we started to use the current rack. I
am not necessarily confident that the settings have ported correctly.

AS> famous "Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information" footer
AS> attached to all messages... Perhaps it is time for a maintenance?

This  footer  used to be maintained by admins every time a new release
came  from RITlabs, often with a slight lag. Max asked to control this
automatically  and  this was being done for a while. Then they stopped
updating  it.  I guess it's down to me again. (I am the sole admin and
mod these days, everyone else having resigned from the list). Max took
it  over  because  I  was updating it when the new MSI was released to
TBBETA,  not  in  the  loop  otherwise as to when a particular version
became the current release.

AS> Things that come to mind, in no particular order:

AS> * Increase size limits for attachments.

TBBETA has a 75kb limit and TBUDL 25kb.

I suggest 150 for TBBETA and 100 for TBUDL. Thoughts?

AS> * Remove or, at very least, update "current version" footer.

I  will  take  back  control  (where  have  I  heard  that before?) of
maintenance for this number.

AS> * Consider merging TDUDL/TBBETA into one.

That's  a  very large "NO". There are 2 distinct audiences - those who
test  new  features  and  those who want help with the current release
version as end users.

AS> * Move mailing lists homepage to a separate domain.

I don't know what this means...

AS> * Modernise lists website, enable HTTPs.

I  enabled  HTTPS  back in January. If anybody else wants to take this
over from me, go ahead - I will redirect.

(modified from the TBUDL response).

I see the links embedded in the FAQ doc are not https links (sigh).

AS> * Ensure lists historical data is available and easily exportable.

... we have done this multiple times in the 20+ years that we have run
these  lists.  The last massive move was to GMANE. They collapsed. Any
suggestions  as  to  where  we  should try next (and have our archives
dumped into the void when they go down too)?

(modified from the TBUDL response).

The mailing list archive is currently hosted on www.mail-archive.com

https://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/
https://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/

AS> * Collate available TheBat! documentation / FAQs / Tips.
AS> * etc.

That's  something  I did very enthusiastically back at the start. They
have  not  been  maintained  and  over  the years have become somewhat
dated.

AS> Thoughts?

... given.

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Re: 9.1.18.3

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 26 April 2020 at 13:24 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
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... 
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb91183-64.rar
... 

U&R

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Re: The Bat! 9.1.18 MSI files & Voyager

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 22 April 2020 at 14:55 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

... 
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-1-18.msi
... 

U&R

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Re: The Bat! 9.1.12 MSI

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 09 April 2020 at 10:35 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-1-12.msi

U&R

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Re: The Bat! 9.1.10

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 08 April 2020 at 15:27 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> The Bat! 9.1.10 MSI files are available at:
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_9-1-10.msi
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-1-10.msi

Eureka!

U&R

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Re: The Bat! 9.1.8

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 08 April 2020 at 15:21 Andrew Savchenko wrote and made these points

AS> Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 11:48:40 PM, you wrote:

TBL>>> The Bat! 9.1.8 MSI files are available at:
TBL>>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_9-1-8.msi
TBL>>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-1-8.msi

>> Failed - this is not the 9.1.8 installer but the 9.1.6

AS> Just change 6 at the end to 8.

This  works to download the 8 installer but still leaves me with 9.1.6
after running the installer.

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Re: Correct 9.1.8 URLs

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 08 April 2020 at 15:19 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> Here are the correct 9.1.8 URLs:
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_9-1-8.msi
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-1-8.msi

TBL> My previous email had incorrect URLs, they pointed to 9.1.6 rather than 
9.1.8. Sorry.

This points to a 9.1.8 installer but the version installed still seems
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Re: The Bat! 9.1.8

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On 08 April 2020 at 15:15 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> The Bat! 9.1.8 MSI files are available at:
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_9-1-6.msi
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-1-6.msi

Failed - this is not the 9.1.8 installer but the 9.1.6

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Re: 9.0.16.5

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 21 January 2020 at 19:50 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90165-64.rar

U&R

Select All is back! Thank you.

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Re: 9.0.16.4

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 21 January 2020 at 19:46 Maik Lehmberg wrote and made these points

MMvT>>> The Bat! 9.0.16.4 (BETA) is available at
MMvT>>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90164-64.rar
>> U&R
>> -- Delete key from keyboard still does not work to
>> delete messages from message list
>> -- Mass mailing from Templates does not fill-in
>> address/salutation information.

ML> the same here.

I  have  found  that using the Customisation tool to set a shortcut of
Del  to  the Delete function, it works as it used to, so it seems that
the shortcut has been disconnected in this release.

This  is  not  true of the "Select all messages" (Ctrl+A), which is no
longer present in the interface.

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Re: 9.0.16.3

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 19 January 2020 at 15:29 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> The Bat! 9.0.16.3 (BETA) is available at
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90163-32.rar
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90163-64.rar

TBL> What's new in 9.0.16.3 since 9.0.16.2:
TBL> [-] Added Shortcuts Customization (It was missing since version 9.0)

The  "Select  all" message list function appears to be missing in this
version. Ctrl+A does not perform the function either.

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Re: The Bat! 9.0.4 MSI files

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 26 November 2019 at 15:50 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> 64-bit
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-0-4.msi

U&R

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Re: The Bat! 9.0.0.30 MSI

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 26 November 2019 at 09:53 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> Please try The Bat! 9.0.0.30 MSI files.

Link?

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Re: 9.0.0.29

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 26 November 2019 at 05:19 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90029-64.rar

U&R (now).

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Re: 9.0.0.29

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 26 November 2019 at 05:19 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90029-64.rar

This  build seems to still be build 28 even though packed to the 90029
zip.

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Re: 9.0.0.29

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 26 November 2019 at 05:19 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90029-64.rar

U&R

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Re: 9.0.0.25

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 21 November 2019 at 22:49 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90025-64.rar

Having been out of the loop in this development phase, I would like to
confirm that the issue I discussed with you (Max) regarding the use of
GNUPG  signing  with  the  64 bit version is fixed and working well in
this beta.

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Re: 9.0.0.25

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 21 November 2019 at 22:49 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90025-64.rar

U&R  -  for  the  first  time! I have been unable to run earlier Alpha
builds.  Happy to join the fun now - although I may have some catching
up to do.

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Re: 9.0.0.7

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 10 October 2019 at 07:34 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> The Bat! 9.0.0.7 (ALPHA) is available at
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9007-32.rar
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9007-64.rar

TBL> What's new in 9.0.0.7 since 9.0.0.6:
TBL> [-] Ctrl+RightArrow does not move to next unread message, selects messages 
instead
TBL> [-] Invalid Pointer Operation error with Inbox Analyzer (ALPHA issue)

Not U&R.

This  is  the first Alpha I have tried in the v9 series. It produces a
runtime  error  on  startup after confirming my desire to run an Alpha
version then seems to be looping in background without ever completing
the startup.

I will send the related exceptions log directly to you.

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Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 12 September 2019 at 13:28 Andrew Savchenko wrote and made these
points

... 

>> "developers also mentioned that the PGP internal implementation will
>> be removed"

AS> For myself, functional PGP/GPG is absolutely crucial. If multitude of
AS> present GPG-related bugs are not eventually fixed in v9, I would need
AS> to either switch back to Claws or move to Thunderbird/Enigmail combo.
AS> Both are free applications by the way.

... 

I,  too,  would  like  to  see GPG support working again in the 64 bit
build.

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Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 12 July 2019 at 00:22 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 11:06:32 PM, you wrote:

>> 8.8.9 also does not let me send OpenPGP signed messages as described for 
>> 8.8.2.8

TBL> We have figured out that the bug was in 64-bit Delphi compiler
... 

Interesting! Delphi certainly has issues.

... 
TBL> So I'd suggest to use 32-bit version of The Bat! in the meanwhile.

I will get on that tomorrow. Thanks for the update.

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Re: 8.8.9.2

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 10 June 2019 at 13:31 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8892-64.rar

Installed and ran well.

TBL> What's new in 8.8.9.2 since 8.8.9.1:
TBL> [-] Fixed a bug with hooks (BETA issue)

I  don't  know  if  this  fix is connected to my GnuPG signing issues,
because  the behaviour is changed. 8.8.9.2 still dies silently but now
doesn't restart automatically.

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Re: 8.8.9.1

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 10 June 2019 at 12:49 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

... 
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8891-64.rar

404

TBL> What's new in 8.8.9.1 since 8.8.9:
TBL> [!] Internal changes in the interface layout and customization code and 
definitions

Still  can't  use  anything  after  8.8.2.6 due to crashing when GnuPG
OpenPGP signing messages to be sent.

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Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 04 June 2019 at 20:48 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> Please try The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI files (3rd attempt):

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_8-8-9.msi
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_8-8-9.msi

TBL> It should not require (I hope) the new registration key I hope.

This  works,  but  I am still unable to use it. As previously reported
here:

>> This  message  has  been  sent  (and successfully signed) using 64 bit
>> 8.8.2.6  (which  I  will  have  to use until this issue is addressed).
>> 8.8.2.7  and 8.8.2.8 both crash out silently (no exception logged) and
>> restart when I hit 'Send'. This version works fine.

8.8.9  also  does not let me send OpenPGP signed messages as described
for 8.8.2.8

This report remains unconfirmed so not in the BugTraq system.

Can anyone confirm / suggest how my configuration may be at fault?

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Re: 8.8.2.8

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 12 May 2019 at 20:36 Martin wrote and made these points

>> Further   to   this,   any  attempt  to use OpenPGP to sign a message,
>> even  using  the "Sign entire text" from the privacy menu, causes this
>> behaviour.

M> Can't confirm behaviour with 32bit version.

This  message  has  been  sent  (and successfully signed) using 64 bit
8.8.2.6  (which  I  will  have  to use until this issue is addressed).
8.8.2.7  and 8.8.2.8 both crash out silently (no exception logged) and
restart when I hit 'Send'. This version works fine.

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Re: 8.8.2.8

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 12 May 2019 at 14:52 Marck Pearlstone wrote and made these points

TBL>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8828-64.rar

TBL>> What's new in 8.8.2.8 since 8.8.2.7:
TBL>> [*] Minor changes in build scripts

MDP> I  am  experiencing  immediate  TB hang, pause, shutdown when I try to
MDP> send a signed message. That includes this one! (attempt 2).

Further   to   this,   any  attempt  to use OpenPGP to sign a message,
even  using  the "Sign entire text" from the privacy menu, causes this
behaviour.

(Message not signed to allow sending).

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Re: 8.8.2.8

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 09 May 2019 at 19:04 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

... 
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8828-64.rar

TBL> What's new in 8.8.2.8 since 8.8.2.7:
TBL> [*] Minor changes in build scripts

I  am  experiencing  immediate  TB hang, pause, shutdown when I try to
send a signed message. That includes this one! (attempt 2).

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Re: 8.8.2.5

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 03 April 2019 at 13:23 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

... 
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8825-64.rar

... 

U&R

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Re: Template to clean subject

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 27 February 2019 at 17:25 Assad Kety wrote and made these points

AK> I'm  using the following template to clean subject line. It works well
AK> until  a subject starts with a square bracket. For example, if a subject
AK> looks  something  like this '[Re: Hello]', the template does not
AK> work.  I  receive a lot of messages which start with square bracket in
AK> my work. Thanks in advance.

AK> %SETHEADER("Subject","Re: %-
AK> 
%SetPattRegExp='(?i)\A\:?(\s*(vs|sv|re|I|R|aw|ha|rcpt|fw|fwd|forw|odp|pd|tr|wg|tr)%-
AK> (\[\d{1,3}\])?:\s*|\[.*?\])*\s*(.*?)\Z'%-
AK> %RegExpBlindMatch='%OSubject'%SubPatt='4'")%-

Here's the one I use:

%___%REM="clean subject - by daniel hahler"%%-
%_oldSubj=%OSubj%-
%Subject="%-
%SetPattRegExp='(?ix)\A:?
( [([]+ .*? [)\]]+ )*\s* # save topic/listname
(?:
  (?:
   (?:aw|antw|antwort|betrifft|fw|fwd|forw|
forward|ha|rcpt|re\^?\d*|sv|vs|wg|wtr)(?:\[\d*\])?[:\s]+
  )
  |[\s:]+
)*
(.*?)  # the subject
\s*
( 
 ([(\[]+
  ( (wa[rs][:; ] | pgp | s/mime ).*
   | fwd
  )
  [)\]]*\s*
 )*
)\z'%-
%RegExpBlindMatch='%OSubj'%-
%-
Re: %SubPatt='2'"%-
%___%-

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Re: Image Crop

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 25 February 2019 at 22:39 andrei.sliusarenco via TBBETA wrote and
made these points

TBL> We are reading all of your posts here,
... 

Whatever  the  ancient  listman folks used to say, I have always had a
problem  with  doubly  addressed  messages to lists. I have had many a
heated  conversation  with  die hard "but we always did it like this -
it's  the  standard"  attitudes,  which  make  no  sense  and  have no
discernable logic, however many times I've heard the excuses.

The  list  engine will send the message to the intended recipient as a
part  of  its  proper  process.  Whatever  the arguments about visible
addressing issues (which individual on the list you may be writing to)
that  individual  is spammed with a double message - one from you, one
from the list.

Add to this the problems in filtering with a doubled up "to" entry.

Then  further complicate this by making this list address secondary in
the "to" header.

I,  as list owner and moderator insist that you do not do this. Please
only  put a single address in the "to" field - I found this post in my
spam trap!

If  you  are  utterly desperate for the hapless addressee to receive 2
copies  of  your  message,  then address them in the CC field. Oh no -
that goes back to your own address. What?

I  respectfully  request  that  you  review  your use of email address
header fields.

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Re: The Bat! v8.8 MSI files

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 24 February 2019 at 08:36 Luca via TBBETA wrote and made these
points

... 

L> So, what's a BETA list for?

Thank you for asking

,--/ From the welcome message \--
The TBBETA list has been set up for the purpose of discussing The Bat!
officially released Beta test versions and related issues. For general
topics  of a more simple nature regarding full release versions, refer
to TBUDL.
`--\ End /--

In  practice,  it  is  mostly  discussion of issues to seek advice and
confirmation from other beta users. Confirmed or difficult issues have
to  be  reported on the bugtraq system to be properly logged, assigned
and scheduled and progressed by the RITlabs development team.

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Re: 8.7.0.17

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 10 February 2019 at 08:04 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

... 
MMV> What's new in 8.7.0.17 since 8.7.0.16:
MMV> [-] Fixed issue with accounts disappearing (BETA issue)

confirmed
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Re: 8.7.0.17

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 10 February 2019 at 08:04 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

MMV> The Bat! 8.7.0.17 (BETA) is available at
MMV> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb87017-32.rar
MMV> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb87017-64.rar

ERROR!
Page not found
Requested page: /download/files2/the_bat/beta/tb87017-64.rar

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Re: 8.7.0.16

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 09 February 2019 at 14:31 Andrei Sliusarenco via TBBETA wrote and
made these points

... 
>> This version is severely broken!
>> Loosing most of my accounts after start. But i had a backup.

>> ⚠ DO NOT TEST WITH REAL ACCOUNTS!


TBL> Dear Gwen, if run previous beta after account lost - it shows also less 
accounts ?

Mine all came back when I went back down to 8.7.0.16.

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Re: Fwd: Startup error ADDRBOOK.ENI

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 20 December 2018 at 09:28 Jens Franik wrote and made these points

>> When I started TheBat! this morning the first time (after starting the
>> laptop) after giving the OTFE password I got an error message and
>> Thebat! didn't start.
>> 
>> The second attempt was then successful and with the address book I
>> didn't find any problem.

JF> Nice typo, though i could not imagine if it is a type in the code?

JF> .ENI instead of .INI

Not a typo. It's 'E' for 'Encrypted' for the OTFE operation.

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Re: 8.6.0.21

[Marck Pearlstone]

Title: Re: 8.6.0.21


On 18 December 2018 at 20:48 Gleason wrote and made these points





Sorry.  Remembering.  NT 4 was the last NT that called itself NT.  After that Win 2000 was NT 5 and
NT 6 was Win XP, 7 and probably 8.  Win 10 calls itself 10 but no longer admits to being NT.  That using
the ver command in a DOS window.  So you aren't that far behind.





... 
OS_:  Windows NT 6 (NT 6.1Build 7601 - Service Pack 1)






https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions



Windows 7
July 22, 2009
NT 6.1




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Re: 8.6.0.8

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 10 November 2018 at 14:13 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8608-64.rar

U&R

... 

I've  noticed a problem with the 'Alternate address' feature whereby a
contact I write to is also an alternate CC for another contact. When I
just  reply  to  a message from the primary contact, the first name in
the "Dear xxx" greeting pulled using this macro:
%ABOreplyNamePrefix(%ABOreplyFirstName(%ABofromFIRSTNAME(%OFROMFNAME)))
is that of the other contact, who isn't in any of the original message
addresses at all.

Something  is  not quite right there. Has anybody else seen any issues
like that?

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Re: Mail Archive

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 31 August 2018 at 07:35 Martin wrote and made these points

M> An other strange thing... My posts to the TB Beta list don't show up
M> neither in:

M> http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/

M> nor in:

M> news:gmane.mail.the-bat.beta

M> I see only some replies.

M> Why? Which filter is implemented there? Is my address marked as SPAM?

There  are  no  filters.  I  don't  know  why  your posts would not be
archived.  It  may  be  something  to  do  with the formatting of your
messages.

Does anyone else here have any ideas?

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Re: Announcement

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 15 August 2018 at 15:37 MAU wrote and made these points

>>> Now all members should receive all messages without issue.
>>
>> I have not received Maxim's message announcing v8.5.8.5
>> I have seen it in Gmane though.

M> And  like I reported yesterday (or the day before) I have not received
M> Martin's  on Gmane.

My tests and announcements were the 'line in the sand'.

After  that  point,  any new messages should be received. Old messages
are lost forever :(

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Announcement

[Marck Pearlstone]

Dear Tbbeta members,

The  list  has  now  moved  to a new server that has a more up to date
version  of  ListMan  installed  and can now correctly deal with DMARC
issues.

The  first  test message I said was affected by a mis-configuration of
the host name.

The second test message I sent was and should be perfect.

Now all members should receive all messages without issue.

Many  thanks to Johannes Posel for his work getting this going so fast
today.

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Admin: Test 2

[Marck Pearlstone]

Dear Tbbeta,

A second test to the list.

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Re: 8.5.8.5

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 15 August 2018 at 12:23 Maxim Masiutin wrote and made these points

MM> The Bat! 8.5.8.5 (BETA) is available at
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8585-32.rar
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8585-64.rar

MM> What's new in 8.5.8.5 since 8.5.8.4:
MM> [*] Changed attributes of newly-inserted HTML tables

U&R

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Re: eMail-List-Problems (was: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA))

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 14 August 2018 at 12:39 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points

... 
>> X-HE-Spam-Score: -5.9
>> X-HE-Spam-Report: Content analysis details:   (-5.9 points)
... 
>>   0.1 DKIM_SIGNEDMessage has a DKIM or DK signature, not 
>> necessarily valid
>>  -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list
>>  manager
>>   0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid

LW>Maybe this helps someone in the know to find the reason.

The DKIM invalidity is caused by the signature having been inserted at
RITlabs  and  not  removed  by  the  mail  list server, thus no longer
matching  the  apparent  originator  (thebat.dutaint.com).  Your  mail
service  doesn't  score  that  failure  highly  (zero) and the message
passes through. Not all configurations are so forgiving.

It  was  to  avoid  this  that we made the horrible change to the list
settings.  Next  month,  we will be moving the lists to new servers at
RITlabs, over which we will have better control. Any control is better
than the 'none' we currently have.

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Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 08 August 2018 at 09:04 Zygmunt Wereszczynski wrote and made these
points

... 

ZW> Confirmed, it is fixed.

This was the last post on this list. As moderator, I have to give it a
probe  to  see  if it still functioning after the latest configuration
issues. Apologies for the white noise.

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Re: Host of the mailing list (was: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA))

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 07 August 2018 at 22:24 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points

LW> on Dienstag, 7. August 2018 at 22:01  Marck Pearlstone 
 wrote
LW> re The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)

>>  I have tried repeatedly to contact the
>> server  admin  in  Germany,  who  donated  use  of the server for list
>> hosting years ago and no longer responds to emails.

LW>   Is that this one: https://csl.de/

No. It's not a commercial server. It's at a German university that may
have  IP  addresses  and  rack  mount servers leased from a commercial
company. Like I say - we don't have any access to that side of them.

LW>   Found via whois, and the phone number for the abuse contact...

Thanks  for  looking. It's not going to help. Another list member, who
knows the university and has some contacts there, has contacted me off
list and may be able to help.

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Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 07 August 2018 at 20:51 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points

... 
>> We  don't  have  access  to  the  list server to be able to inject (or
>> remove) headers as things stand.

... 
LW> I just had to click something in the admin interface to
LW> my webspace and copy-n-past some text from somewhere else,
... 

To clarify:

We  don't  have  access  to  the  list server to be able to inject (or
remove)  ANY  headers  or  settings  to  control anything like this as
things  stand.  All  we  have  is  a  web  interface  to  the  listman
administration for the list and nothing else. Until we can re-host the
list,  this  is  the situation. I have tried repeatedly to contact the
server  admin  in  Germany,  who  donated  use  of the server for list
hosting years ago and no longer responds to emails.

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Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 07 August 2018 at 19:07 MAU wrote and made these points

>> Max's  messages include a DKIM signature, which effectively marks list
>> traffic  as  spam,  since the sending domain fails to match the domain
>> certified in the DKIM signature.

M> But  if traffic is marked as spam, why his messages don't end up in my
M> Gmail account Spam folder?

In  the  case  of a DKIM failure, some servers (Max tells me) actually
reject  the  message.  That  would mean that you wouldn't find it in a
spam folder.

White-listing thebat.dutaint.com may get round this.

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Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 07 August 2018 at 17:58 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points

... 
>> H  this  makes  me think that if we can get the list server to
>> strip   the   DKIM   header,  the  issue  would  be  resolved  without
>> compromising the configuration of the list...

LW>   My Web and Mail provider has told me that the solution for Gmail is not 
DKIM, but SPF.
LW>  
LW>   My correspondent in the USA who did not get my mails after
LW> having moved to Google Mail, put my address in his White List, and I got 
SPF for may domains.
LW>  
LW>   After that it worked like charm.

We  don't  have  access  to  the  list server to be able to inject (or
remove) headers as things stand.

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Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)

[Marck Pearlstone]

MM>>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8583-32.rar
MM>>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8583-64.rar

M> Any  idea  why  I  have not received Maxim's message? I have looked in
M> Gmail's spam folder and it is not there.

Could  it  be  that  you  are  one  of  the recipients affected by the
addressing  issues that we tried to combat with the change to the list
configuration?

Max's  messages include a DKIM signature, which effectively marks list
traffic  as  spam,  since the sending domain fails to match the domain
certified in the DKIM signature.

H  this  makes  me think that if we can get the list server to
strip   the   DKIM   header,  the  issue  would  be  resolved  without
compromising the configuration of the list...

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