Re: 9.2.3 MSI

2020-09-05 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 05 September 2020 at 08:10 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and
made these points

>> I guess it's a default behaviour for fresh MSI and EXE downloads now - I've 
>> checked on some other software from widely known vendors (Slack, Firefox, FL 
>> Studio) and see the same warning.

TBL> Actually, skip it - I see the issue is with the SmartScreen, not with the 
browser.

TBL> Yeah, the new certificate seems to cause this issue - it needs to gain 
reputation so the SS thing stops to bug users.

I received the message, clicked on various "Keep this" links and ended up at an 
MS site where I had the opportunity to state the package as "safe" as either a 
user OR the publisher. It may be worth you doing this and entering the 
publisher details.

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Re: 9.2.0.9 RC3

2020-06-29 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 29 June 2020 at 10:51 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

>> Page not found for either.

TBL> Yeah, please excuse me about the mess - Alexander and Gwen
TBL> posted the right links already. 

I had spotted that and am U

TBL> I've put links for Beta files into templates so errors could be
TBL> avoided, but I guess the same should be done for RC MSIs :)

Good idea :-)

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Re: 9.2.0.9 RC3

2020-06-29 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 29 June 2020 at 09:59 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> 
https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_32_9-2-0-9-test.msi
TBL> 
https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_64_9-2-0-9-test.msi

Page not found for either.

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Re: 9.2.0.7

2020-06-26 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 26 June 2020 at 19:19 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

... 
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.0.7-x64.7z
... 

U

When  replying  to  an HTML message, if I pick MicroEd from the status
bar menu, the reply is reformatted from html to text with reply layout
and quotes have a chevron prefix.

If  I  use  Ctrl+1 to change editor, the reply is flat with no chevron
prefix to the quoted text.

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Re: Mod: HTML use (was: 9.2.0.2)

2020-06-17 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 17 June 2020 at 18:45 Ira wrote and made these points

... 
Marck>> ... You can easily automate this by using
Marck>> %SetEditor="1" in your list template.


I> I must not be violating the rules, but I want that feature for some
I> other things and You;ve piqued my interest. What is a "list template"
I> and where do I find it?

It's  just  "The  template  that  gets  used for emails written to the
list".  In  my  case,  it's  the  address  book  Reply and New message
templates  for  the  list address. It's not a specific thing. Some use
folder templates for this. That's always been something I've avoided.

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Re: 9.2.0.1

2020-06-13 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 13 June 2020 at 08:59 Jernej Simončič wrote and made these points

JS> Another problem: I've got TB set to start when I log in, and but
JS> instead of starting, it showed

JS> ---
JS> Error
JS> ---
JS> CEF binaries missing !
... 

JS> Starting it from the icon worked fine. Is this a working directory
JS> issue?

Yes.  Find  the  shortcut in the Startup folder and put the TB Program
Files folder path into the Start In field.

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Re: 9.2.0.1

2020-06-12 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 12 June 2020 at 16:16 mse wrote and made these points

... 
M> Delete old task bar icon
M> Start TB! via Exe-doubleclick
M> Add it to task bar while in running state
M> Close TB!
M> Start it via task bar icon gives the aforementioned errors.

Confirmed - with reasons.

I  have  an old link in the Start menu, which also results in the same
error.  If  I  open  the  containing  folder  and  edit  the  shortcut
properties  and  add  the  path to the exe into the (blank) "Start in"
field,  the saved link then works. I'm going to guess that the "Add to
taskbar while running" action results in a shortcut with no "Start In"
path.

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Re: 9.2.0.1

2020-06-12 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 12 June 2020 at 15:26 MAU wrote and made these points

>> I have the HTML viewer in Preferences set to Manual download.

M> And what does 'Manual download' actually mean?

My  guess  is that it should be referring to the old download manager,
but it's not linked in yet. I'm in a "I suppose we shall see" mode.

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Re: 9.2.0.1

2020-06-12 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 12 June 2020 at 12:16 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.0.1-x64.7z

... 
TBL> [*] Loading of external resources for HTML messages (to be
TBL> extended) can be set on HTML Viewer Preferences' page

..  with  no  current  way to administrate manual mode - the 'download
manager' is no longer there.

TBL> [-] Lots of cosmetic fixes 

I can, at last, just hit reply and type. The hang on new message issue
is gone! ThankyouThankyouThankyouThankyou!

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Re: 9.2.0.1

2020-06-12 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 12 June 2020 at 12:56 Alexander Petrari via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> Please get this updated archive for the 64-bit version:
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.0.1-x64-fix.7z

... 

Thank you!

U

The  Chromium renderer does seem to work much better, but the download
manager  is  not  showing.  I guess the internal renderer is no longer
being  used  so  the switcher would have been removed from the message
viewer.

I have the HTML viewer in Preferences set to Manual download.

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Re: 9.2.0.1

2020-06-12 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Title: Re: 9.2.0.1



On 12 June 2020 at 12:16 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

... 
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.0.1-x64.7z




I can't run this build. All of these files seem present, but I get this error message before TB closes.

Reverted to previous build.

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Re: Kinda roadmap ;)

2020-06-10 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 10 June 2020 at 09:36 Jernej Simončič wrote and made these points

JS> On Monday, June 1, 2020, 23:48:18, Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote:

>> - after that, we're going to remove the outdated built-in HTML
>> renderer and IE-based system's one and use Chromium-based renderer
... 

JS> Oh great, another copy of Chromium running :)

JS> I really wouldn't mind if IE stays, as long as it'd respect the Image
JS> Download Manager (it currently doesn't).

Except...  not even Microsoft use the IE engine any more. Edge browser
on  Win10  uses Chrome. I am not enthusiastic about keeping ties to an
API that the maker no longer uses.

The  TB  native rendering engine doesn't do a great job for me. A tiny
percentage of HTML mails show correct formatting at my end so I end up
reluctantly  relying  on the system HTML renderer (despite the lack of
obedience to the download manager).

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Re: 9.1.18.7

2020-06-08 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 08 June 2020 at 07:03 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

>> In the past, announcements had the *32.rar listed before the
>> *64.rar. Now you want us to actually look at it first?

TBL> Hmmm. Actually, I didn't think the list order in the announcement matters  
:-)

I don't think it does, myself.

TBL> Basically, I think there should be no difference in priority
TBL> between 32 and 64 bits as both are in use. 

TBL> By the way, it would be nice to see what is version is used more today...

64 bit here.

While I'm here...

Beta  7 breaks the new/old customisation features a bit. I had a small
toolbar  ("ExtraActions")  that  I coded up with hotkeys and docked to
the  side  of  the  main  window.  In the new version, that toolbar is
floating  free and has no right click options to dock or customise and
won't  drag/dock.  2  of  the buttons in it have shortcut mappings for
"Follow  next" and "Follow previous". The shortcut keys still work but
those  2  options  are  not  present in the main toolbar customisation
dialog for me to rebuild the bar in the other customiser.

In  the  area  of  PITA  bugs, I will mention another, longer standing
issue  I have that nobody here was able to confirm. Every time I start
a new message - whether a reply to a message or a simple new message -
there  is a ~10 second unresponsive freeze in the UI. The days of "hit
reply  and  type"  are  gone. It seems to me that this behaviour began
with  early  v9  releases.  This problem is unrelated to reply length,
HTML  (I  default to plain text and force HTML manually if i need it),
template  (I've  used  a blank one to test). It's driving me nuts! For
the first time in more than 20 years I'm actually wondering if another
client  may suit me better. Task manager shows TB using 10-12% at this
point where it would normally max out at 5% and tick over at < 1%.

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Re: Kinda roadmap ;)

2020-06-04 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 04 June 2020 at 04:27 Thomas Fernandez wrote and made these points

... 
Thomas>>> Then your editor behaves different from mine. I use MicroEd, and you
Thomas>>> can see my Windows and TB version in my sig. How about yours?

>> It's been broken since V9 was released. I've reported it before and
>> it's been confirmed by others. It sadly does not matter to me if you
... 

TF> I wasn't aware this has already been confirmed. Is there a BT entry
TF> which may specify the editor, so I can check whether it happens here
TF> too?
... 

Just  to  clarify - Ira is talking about the recipient address line in
the message header, which is completely separate from which editor you
are  using and uses a standard windows edit field. The fact of whether
you  use MicroEd or another to edit the message body is not related to
the problem.

This is a not actually a bug but it is a very annoying behaviour.

For  example: a message is being written to freder...@domain.com and I
want  to change that to fr...@domain.com. I highlight "erick" and type
an 'a'. 'erick' disappears, but then the auto-address look up kicks in
and  deletes  everything  after  the  'a'  I just typed so it can list
matching addresses.

IMHO  TB  should  be  able  to  perform an address lookup using cursor
position without having to truncate the remainder of the field content
so  that  I can accept "fr...@domain.com" without having to retype the
remainder (or hope the lookup finds it).

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Mod: Goodbye (was Re: How to kill open Email and help Mark Zuckerberg etc (was: Mod: HTML use (was: Delay when creating new message)))

2020-05-14 Thread Marck Pearlstone
On 14 May 2020 at 08:26 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points

... 

>> Please do not send HTML messages to the list except

>  with such messages, the open Netnews was kind of killed and the closed shop 
> Twitter established.

Quibbling  with  moderators  after  personally attacking long-standing
members  will  kind  of  kill off your welcome here Lüko and this list
becomes  a  closed  shop to you. To make it worse, you have once again
flouted  the  rule  being  pointed  out  in  what I would deem an open
rebellion.  I  am  telling  you  this  here  so that other readers can
understand what happens in the face of such behaviour.

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Re: Delay when creating new message

2020-05-12 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 11 May 2020 at 04:00 Thomas Fernandez wrote and made these points

>> I  have  been  experiencing a 15 second delay between a message editor
>> window  opening  (new message, reply or forward - all the same) during
>> which the whole TB interface is frozen.

... 

TF> It happens to me when replying to large HTML mails. Large in the sense
TF> of many replies.

It's not that or anything close because:

1. I rarely use HTML mail - extremely rarely!
2. I abhor top-posting soup. Yes, I use it for work email, but it not
relevant to this issue

... 

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Re: Delay when creating new message

2020-05-10 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 10 May 2020 at 17:23 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points

LW> on Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 at 14:50  Marck Pearlstone 
 wrote
LW> re Delay when creating new message

... 
>>  10/05/2020, 13:16:40: IMAP  - Connecting to IMAP server 
>> mail.silverstones.com on port 143
... 
>>  10/05/2020, 13:16:46: IMAP  - Connecting to IMAP server 
>> mail.silverstones.com on port 143
... 
>>  10/05/2020, 13:17:28: IMAP  - Disconnected

LW>   I wonder why your system is not logged in to IMAP all the time,
LW> and then why there TheBat! is logging in to the IMAP4 server twice within 6 
seconds.

A  good  question. That may be the issue - I will try "Stay logged in"
as the setting if I can find it... which I can't...

LW>   Besides, for writing and sending a message, this goes via SMTP,
LW> not IMAP4, just as also POP3 is only for receiving.

Ah  -  you'd  have  thought  so.  Except...  the  outbound  message is
originally  created in the Outbox IMAP folder as a draft message. Only
the completed message will be sent via SMTP.

LW>   I just created and sent a message via one of my IMAP accounts,
LW> just for testing, and there was no need to connect via IMAP4. 

LW>   No delay at all in creating the message and sending it.

This  is  why  I  am not going to create a bug report... unless anyone
else has this experience.

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Re: Delay when creating new message

2020-05-10 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 10 May 2020 at 14:35 Andrew Savchenko wrote and made these points

>> This  shows  a lot of activity reading and writing the account_log.txt

AS> I have no such file. Searching this mailing list returns two results,
AS> one from Gwen back in October 2019 and another one from David Elliot 9
AS> days ago. This makes me think writing to "account_log.txt" is optional
AS> and can be disabled.

I found this:

> The Bat! v6.0.0.19 BETA is available at
... 
> [*] Account log is now saved to ACCOUNT_LOG.TXT, not to
> ACCOUNT.LOG as before (Alpha issue)

I will look for more ways to reduce the traffic to this log. I already
found  and  turned off the account "Verbose Logging" toggle. It didn't
improve anything.

AS> Perhaps try launching Bat directly from CMD or PowerShell:
AS> `./thebat64.exe` without flags.

I  don't  load  with flags anyway, but this instance has been executed
from  cmd.  No  change  in  starting  this reply - a long pause and an
unresponsive window.

AS> Next, give a go to `/STARTUP_TIMING_LOG` and `/BENCHMARK_STARTUP_TIME`.
AS> Former will create "ex_log.txt" file to analyse.

While  I  could  do  this, I'm not getting the relevance. TB starts up
smoothly  in  a  couple  of  seconds.  The only lag I get in the whole
system  is  when I open a new message edit window - either for a reply
or a new message.

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Re: Delay when creating new message

2020-05-10 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 10 May 2020 at 12:42 Andrew Savchenko wrote and made these points

AS> Sunday, May 10, 2020, 8:48:31 PM, you wrote:

>> I turned it back on manually to complete this reply.

AS> ...which arrived unsigned.

I  did  turn back on the "Sign when complete" switch and it did prompt
me for my GPG signing passphrase. How strange!

AS> On the more serious note, you might try in-built logging functionality

I've checked logs but see nothing to indicate a struggle.

 10/05/2020, 13:16:40: IMAP  - Connecting to IMAP server mail.silverstones.com 
on port 143
 10/05/2020, 13:16:40: IMAP  - Connected to IMAP server (mail.silverstones.com)
>10/05/2020, 13:16:40: IMAP  - silverstones.com IMAP4rev1 MDaemon 8.0.3 ready
 10/05/2020, 13:16:40: IMAP  - Authenticating (user: "ma...@silverstones.com", 
method: "LOGIN")...
 10/05/2020, 13:16:40: IMAP  - IMAP server authentication OK, server says 
"LOGIN completed"
 10/05/2020, 13:16:46: IMAP  - Connecting to IMAP server mail.silverstones.com 
on port 143
 10/05/2020, 13:16:46: IMAP  - Connected to IMAP server (mail.silverstones.com)
>10/05/2020, 13:16:46: IMAP  - silverstones.com IMAP4rev1 MDaemon 8.0.3 ready
 10/05/2020, 13:16:46: IMAP  - Authenticating (user: "ma...@silverstones.com", 
method: "LOGIN")...
 10/05/2020, 13:16:46: IMAP  - IMAP server authentication OK, server says 
"LOGIN completed"
 10/05/2020, 13:17:28: IMAP  - Disconnected

No exceptions at this point.

AS> as well as the `Procmon.exe` from Sysinternals. Latter will show you
AS> roughly which call takes longer than expected.

This  shows  a lot of activity reading and writing the account_log.txt
file  and  opening TBN files 100s (if not 1000s) of times. The longest
pregnant  pause  is  4.2  seconds  spent creating an ACCOUNT.FLB file.
Other than that, there are a couple of functions that take up to 500ms
to  perform,  while  the  rest  is  time  taken  doing  1000s  of file
read/write operations.

AS> Next logical step would be WinDBG.

Yeah - no. I'm not doing that - too much like hard work!!

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Re: Delay when creating new message

2020-05-10 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 10 May 2020 at 11:08 Andrew Savchenko wrote and made these points

>> Is anyone else seeing this strange behaviour?

AS> A bit of a shot in the dark, but have you tried with GPG disabled?

Just tried (not easy - it's in my QT's to enable it). No difference.

I turned it back on manually to complete this reply.

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Delay when creating new message

2020-05-10 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Greetings Bat Fans,

I  have  been  experiencing a 15 second delay between a message editor
window  opening  (new message, reply or forward - all the same) during
which the whole TB interface is frozen.

This  has  become  a  source  of  extreme  frustration for me. Hitting
"Reply" and typing your thoughts is a distant memory for me.

Is anyone else seeing this strange behaviour?

I'm  writing  here, but this has been true for me for a long time now,
over  several  releases.  I  can't  even  remember  at what point this
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Re: Future of TB* mailing lists

2020-05-10 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 10 May 2020 at 03:06 Andrew Savchenko wrote and made these points


AS> It is 2020 out there and TB mailing lists seem to be a little outdated.

AS> Screenshots being stripped from the messages unless it all fits in 25Kb,

(With amendments from the TBUDL response).

In the case of TBUDL, this seems to be happening regardless of size. I
have  looked  but  the  settings don't specify to do that. The hosting
server  has  shifted twice since we started to use the current rack. I
am not necessarily confident that the settings have ported correctly.

AS> famous "Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information" footer
AS> attached to all messages... Perhaps it is time for a maintenance?

This  footer  used to be maintained by admins every time a new release
came  from RITlabs, often with a slight lag. Max asked to control this
automatically  and  this was being done for a while. Then they stopped
updating  it.  I guess it's down to me again. (I am the sole admin and
mod these days, everyone else having resigned from the list). Max took
it  over  because  I  was updating it when the new MSI was released to
TBBETA,  not  in  the  loop  otherwise as to when a particular version
became the current release.

AS> Things that come to mind, in no particular order:

AS> * Increase size limits for attachments.

TBBETA has a 75kb limit and TBUDL 25kb.

I suggest 150 for TBBETA and 100 for TBUDL. Thoughts?

AS> * Remove or, at very least, update "current version" footer.

I  will  take  back  control  (where  have  I  heard  that before?) of
maintenance for this number.

AS> * Consider merging TDUDL/TBBETA into one.

That's  a  very large "NO". There are 2 distinct audiences - those who
test  new  features  and  those who want help with the current release
version as end users.

AS> * Move mailing lists homepage to a separate domain.

I don't know what this means...

AS> * Modernise lists website, enable HTTPs.

I  enabled  HTTPS  back in January. If anybody else wants to take this
over from me, go ahead - I will redirect.

(modified from the TBUDL response).

I see the links embedded in the FAQ doc are not https links (sigh).

AS> * Ensure lists historical data is available and easily exportable.

... we have done this multiple times in the 20+ years that we have run
these  lists.  The last massive move was to GMANE. They collapsed. Any
suggestions  as  to  where  we  should try next (and have our archives
dumped into the void when they go down too)?

(modified from the TBUDL response).

The mailing list archive is currently hosted on www.mail-archive.com

https://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/
https://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/

AS> * Collate available TheBat! documentation / FAQs / Tips.
AS> * etc.

That's  something  I did very enthusiastically back at the start. They
have  not  been  maintained  and  over  the years have become somewhat
dated.

AS> Thoughts?

... given.

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Re: 9.1.18.3

2020-04-26 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 26 April 2020 at 13:24 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

... 
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb91183-64.rar
... 

U

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Re: The Bat! 9.1.18 MSI files & Voyager

2020-04-22 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 22 April 2020 at 14:55 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

... 
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-1-18.msi
... 

U

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Re: The Bat! 9.1.12 MSI

2020-04-09 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 09 April 2020 at 10:35 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-1-12.msi

U

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Re: The Bat! 9.1.10

2020-04-08 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 08 April 2020 at 15:27 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> The Bat! 9.1.10 MSI files are available at:
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_9-1-10.msi
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-1-10.msi

Eureka!

U

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Re: The Bat! 9.1.8

2020-04-08 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 08 April 2020 at 15:21 Andrew Savchenko wrote and made these points

AS> Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 11:48:40 PM, you wrote:

TBL>>> The Bat! 9.1.8 MSI files are available at:
TBL>>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_9-1-8.msi
TBL>>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-1-8.msi

>> Failed - this is not the 9.1.8 installer but the 9.1.6

AS> Just change 6 at the end to 8.

This  works to download the 8 installer but still leaves me with 9.1.6
after running the installer.

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Re: Correct 9.1.8 URLs

2020-04-08 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 08 April 2020 at 15:19 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> Here are the correct 9.1.8 URLs:
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_9-1-8.msi
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-1-8.msi

TBL> My previous email had incorrect URLs, they pointed to 9.1.6 rather than 
9.1.8. Sorry.

This points to a 9.1.8 installer but the version installed still seems
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Re: The Bat! 9.1.8

2020-04-08 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 08 April 2020 at 15:15 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> The Bat! 9.1.8 MSI files are available at:
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_9-1-6.msi
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-1-6.msi

Failed - this is not the 9.1.8 installer but the 9.1.6

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Re: 9.0.16.5

2020-01-21 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 21 January 2020 at 19:50 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90165-64.rar

U

Select All is back! Thank you.

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Re: 9.0.16.4

2020-01-21 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 21 January 2020 at 19:46 Maik Lehmberg wrote and made these points

MMvT>>> The Bat! 9.0.16.4 (BETA) is available at
MMvT>>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90164-64.rar
>> U
>> -- Delete key from keyboard still does not work to
>> delete messages from message list
>> -- Mass mailing from Templates does not fill-in
>> address/salutation information.

ML> the same here.

I  have  found  that using the Customisation tool to set a shortcut of
Del  to  the Delete function, it works as it used to, so it seems that
the shortcut has been disconnected in this release.

This  is  not  true of the "Select all messages" (Ctrl+A), which is no
longer present in the interface.

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Re: 9.0.16.3

2020-01-19 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 19 January 2020 at 15:29 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> The Bat! 9.0.16.3 (BETA) is available at
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90163-32.rar
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90163-64.rar

TBL> What's new in 9.0.16.3 since 9.0.16.2:
TBL> [-] Added Shortcuts Customization (It was missing since version 9.0)

The  "Select  all" message list function appears to be missing in this
version. Ctrl+A does not perform the function either.

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Re: The Bat! 9.0.4 MSI files

2019-11-26 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 26 November 2019 at 15:50 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> 64-bit
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-0-4.msi

U

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Re: The Bat! 9.0.0.30 MSI

2019-11-26 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 26 November 2019 at 09:53 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> Please try The Bat! 9.0.0.30 MSI files.

Link?

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Re: 9.0.0.29

2019-11-26 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 26 November 2019 at 05:19 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90029-64.rar

U (now).

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Re: 9.0.0.29

2019-11-26 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 26 November 2019 at 05:19 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90029-64.rar

This  build seems to still be build 28 even though packed to the 90029
zip.

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Re: 9.0.0.29

2019-11-26 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 26 November 2019 at 05:19 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90029-64.rar

U

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Re: 9.0.0.25

2019-11-22 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 21 November 2019 at 22:49 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90025-64.rar

Having been out of the loop in this development phase, I would like to
confirm that the issue I discussed with you (Max) regarding the use of
GNUPG  signing  with  the  64 bit version is fixed and working well in
this beta.

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Re: 9.0.0.25

2019-11-22 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 21 November 2019 at 22:49 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90025-64.rar

U  -  for  the  first  time! I have been unable to run earlier Alpha
builds.  Happy to join the fun now - although I may have some catching
up to do.

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Re: 9.0.0.7

2019-10-10 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 10 October 2019 at 07:34 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> The Bat! 9.0.0.7 (ALPHA) is available at
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9007-32.rar
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9007-64.rar

TBL> What's new in 9.0.0.7 since 9.0.0.6:
TBL> [-] Ctrl+RightArrow does not move to next unread message, selects messages 
instead
TBL> [-] Invalid Pointer Operation error with Inbox Analyzer (ALPHA issue)

Not U

This  is  the first Alpha I have tried in the v9 series. It produces a
runtime  error  on  startup after confirming my desire to run an Alpha
version then seems to be looping in background without ever completing
the startup.

I will send the related exceptions log directly to you.

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Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9

2019-09-12 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 12 September 2019 at 13:28 Andrew Savchenko wrote and made these
points

... 

>> "developers also mentioned that the PGP internal implementation will
>> be removed"

AS> For myself, functional PGP/GPG is absolutely crucial. If multitude of
AS> present GPG-related bugs are not eventually fixed in v9, I would need
AS> to either switch back to Claws or move to Thunderbird/Enigmail combo.
AS> Both are free applications by the way.

... 

I,  too,  would  like  to  see GPG support working again in the 64 bit
build.

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Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)

2019-07-11 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 12 July 2019 at 00:22 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 11:06:32 PM, you wrote:

>> 8.8.9 also does not let me send OpenPGP signed messages as described for 
>> 8.8.2.8

TBL> We have figured out that the bug was in 64-bit Delphi compiler
... 

Interesting! Delphi certainly has issues.

... 
TBL> So I'd suggest to use 32-bit version of The Bat! in the meanwhile.

I will get on that tomorrow. Thanks for the update.

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Re: 8.8.9.2

2019-06-10 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 10 June 2019 at 13:31 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8892-64.rar

Installed and ran well.

TBL> What's new in 8.8.9.2 since 8.8.9.1:
TBL> [-] Fixed a bug with hooks (BETA issue)

I  don't  know  if  this  fix is connected to my GnuPG signing issues,
because  the behaviour is changed. 8.8.9.2 still dies silently but now
doesn't restart automatically.

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Re: 8.8.9.1

2019-06-10 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 10 June 2019 at 12:49 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

... 
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8891-64.rar

404

TBL> What's new in 8.8.9.1 since 8.8.9:
TBL> [!] Internal changes in the interface layout and customization code and 
definitions

Still  can't  use  anything  after  8.8.2.6 due to crashing when GnuPG
OpenPGP signing messages to be sent.

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Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)

2019-06-04 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 04 June 2019 at 20:48 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> Please try The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI files (3rd attempt):

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_8-8-9.msi
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_8-8-9.msi

TBL> It should not require (I hope) the new registration key I hope.

This  works,  but  I am still unable to use it. As previously reported
here:

>> This  message  has  been  sent  (and successfully signed) using 64 bit
>> 8.8.2.6  (which  I  will  have  to use until this issue is addressed).
>> 8.8.2.7  and 8.8.2.8 both crash out silently (no exception logged) and
>> restart when I hit 'Send'. This version works fine.

8.8.9  also  does not let me send OpenPGP signed messages as described
for 8.8.2.8

This report remains unconfirmed so not in the BugTraq system.

Can anyone confirm / suggest how my configuration may be at fault?

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Re: 8.8.2.8

2019-05-13 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 12 May 2019 at 20:36 Martin wrote and made these points

>> Further   to   this,   any  attempt  to use OpenPGP to sign a message,
>> even  using  the "Sign entire text" from the privacy menu, causes this
>> behaviour.

M> Can't confirm behaviour with 32bit version.

This  message  has  been  sent  (and successfully signed) using 64 bit
8.8.2.6  (which  I  will  have  to use until this issue is addressed).
8.8.2.7  and 8.8.2.8 both crash out silently (no exception logged) and
restart when I hit 'Send'. This version works fine.

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Re: 8.8.2.8

2019-05-12 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 12 May 2019 at 14:52 Marck Pearlstone wrote and made these points

TBL>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8828-64.rar

TBL>> What's new in 8.8.2.8 since 8.8.2.7:
TBL>> [*] Minor changes in build scripts

MDP> I  am  experiencing  immediate  TB hang, pause, shutdown when I try to
MDP> send a signed message. That includes this one! (attempt 2).

Further   to   this,   any  attempt  to use OpenPGP to sign a message,
even  using  the "Sign entire text" from the privacy menu, causes this
behaviour.

(Message not signed to allow sending).

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Re: 8.8.2.8

2019-05-12 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 09 May 2019 at 19:04 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

... 
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8828-64.rar

TBL> What's new in 8.8.2.8 since 8.8.2.7:
TBL> [*] Minor changes in build scripts

I  am  experiencing  immediate  TB hang, pause, shutdown when I try to
send a signed message. That includes this one! (attempt 2).

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Re: 8.8.2.5

2019-04-03 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 03 April 2019 at 13:23 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

... 
TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8825-64.rar

... 

U

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Re: Template to clean subject

2019-02-27 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 27 February 2019 at 17:25 Assad Kety wrote and made these points

AK> I'm  using the following template to clean subject line. It works well
AK> until  a subject starts with a square bracket. For example, if a subject
AK> looks  something  like this '[Re: Hello]', the template does not
AK> work.  I  receive a lot of messages which start with square bracket in
AK> my work. Thanks in advance.

AK> %SETHEADER("Subject","Re: %-
AK> 
%SetPattRegExp='(?i)\A\:?(\s*(vs|sv|re|I|R|aw|ha|rcpt|fw|fwd|forw|odp|pd|tr|wg|tr)%-
AK> (\[\d{1,3}\])?:\s*|\[.*?\])*\s*(.*?)\Z'%-
AK> %RegExpBlindMatch='%OSubject'%SubPatt='4'")%-

Here's the one I use:

%___%REM="clean subject - by daniel hahler"%%-
%_oldSubj=%OSubj%-
%Subject="%-
%SetPattRegExp='(?ix)\A:?
( [([]+ .*? [)\]]+ )*\s* # save topic/listname
(?:
  (?:
   (?:aw|antw|antwort|betrifft|fw|fwd|forw|
forward|ha|rcpt|re\^?\d*|sv|vs|wg|wtr)(?:\[\d*\])?[:\s]+
  )
  |[\s:]+
)*
(.*?)  # the subject
\s*
( 
 ([(\[]+
  ( (wa[rs][:; ] | pgp | s/mime ).*
   | fwd
  )
  [)\]]*\s*
 )*
)\z'%-
%RegExpBlindMatch='%OSubj'%-
%-
Re: %SubPatt='2'"%-
%___%-

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Re: Image Crop

2019-02-26 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 25 February 2019 at 22:39 andrei.sliusarenco via TBBETA wrote and
made these points

TBL> We are reading all of your posts here,
... 

Whatever  the  ancient  listman folks used to say, I have always had a
problem  with  doubly  addressed  messages to lists. I have had many a
heated  conversation  with  die hard "but we always did it like this -
it's  the  standard"  attitudes,  which  make  no  sense  and  have no
discernable logic, however many times I've heard the excuses.

The  list  engine will send the message to the intended recipient as a
part  of  its  proper  process.  Whatever  the arguments about visible
addressing issues (which individual on the list you may be writing to)
that  individual  is spammed with a double message - one from you, one
from the list.

Add to this the problems in filtering with a doubled up "to" entry.

Then  further complicate this by making this list address secondary in
the "to" header.

I,  as list owner and moderator insist that you do not do this. Please
only  put a single address in the "to" field - I found this post in my
spam trap!

If  you  are  utterly desperate for the hapless addressee to receive 2
copies  of  your  message,  then address them in the CC field. Oh no -
that goes back to your own address. What?

I  respectfully  request  that  you  review  your use of email address
header fields.

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Re: The Bat! v8.8 MSI files

2019-02-24 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 24 February 2019 at 08:36 Luca via TBBETA wrote and made these
points

... 

L> So, what's a BETA list for?

Thank you for asking

,--/ From the welcome message \--
The TBBETA list has been set up for the purpose of discussing The Bat!
officially released Beta test versions and related issues. For general
topics  of a more simple nature regarding full release versions, refer
to TBUDL.
`--\ End /--

In  practice,  it  is  mostly  discussion of issues to seek advice and
confirmation from other beta users. Confirmed or difficult issues have
to  be  reported on the bugtraq system to be properly logged, assigned
and scheduled and progressed by the RITlabs development team.

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Re: 8.7.0.17

2019-02-10 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 10 February 2019 at 08:04 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

... 
MMV> What's new in 8.7.0.17 since 8.7.0.16:
MMV> [-] Fixed issue with accounts disappearing (BETA issue)

confirmed
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Re: 8.7.0.17

2019-02-10 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 10 February 2019 at 08:04 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

MMV> The Bat! 8.7.0.17 (BETA) is available at
MMV> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb87017-32.rar
MMV> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb87017-64.rar

ERROR!
Page not found
Requested page: /download/files2/the_bat/beta/tb87017-64.rar

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Re: 8.7.0.16

2019-02-09 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 09 February 2019 at 14:31 Andrei Sliusarenco via TBBETA wrote and
made these points

... 
>> This version is severely broken!
>> Loosing most of my accounts after start. But i had a backup.

>> ⚠ DO NOT TEST WITH REAL ACCOUNTS!


TBL> Dear Gwen, if run previous beta after account lost - it shows also less 
accounts ?

Mine all came back when I went back down to 8.7.0.16.

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Re: Fwd: Startup error ADDRBOOK.ENI

2018-12-20 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 20 December 2018 at 09:28 Jens Franik wrote and made these points

>> When I started TheBat! this morning the first time (after starting the
>> laptop) after giving the OTFE password I got an error message and
>> Thebat! didn't start.
>> 
>> The second attempt was then successful and with the address book I
>> didn't find any problem.

JF> Nice typo, though i could not imagine if it is a type in the code?

JF> .ENI instead of .INI

Not a typo. It's 'E' for 'Encrypted' for the OTFE operation.

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Re: 8.6.0.21

2018-12-18 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Title: Re: 8.6.0.21


On 18 December 2018 at 20:48 Gleason wrote and made these points





Sorry.  Remembering.  NT 4 was the last NT that called itself NT.  After that Win 2000 was NT 5 and
NT 6 was Win XP, 7 and probably 8.  Win 10 calls itself 10 but no longer admits to being NT.  That using
the ver command in a DOS window.  So you aren't that far behind.





... 
OS_:  Windows NT 6 (NT 6.1Build 7601 - Service Pack 1)






https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions



Windows 7
July 22, 2009
NT 6.1




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Re: 8.6.0.8

2018-11-10 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 10 November 2018 at 14:13 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made
these points

TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8608-64.rar

U

... 

I've  noticed a problem with the 'Alternate address' feature whereby a
contact I write to is also an alternate CC for another contact. When I
just  reply  to  a message from the primary contact, the first name in
the "Dear xxx" greeting pulled using this macro:
%ABOreplyNamePrefix(%ABOreplyFirstName(%ABofromFIRSTNAME(%OFROMFNAME)))
is that of the other contact, who isn't in any of the original message
addresses at all.

Something  is  not quite right there. Has anybody else seen any issues
like that?

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Re: Mail Archive

2018-08-31 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 31 August 2018 at 07:35 Martin wrote and made these points

M> An other strange thing... My posts to the TB Beta list don't show up
M> neither in:

M> http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/

M> nor in:

M> news:gmane.mail.the-bat.beta

M> I see only some replies.

M> Why? Which filter is implemented there? Is my address marked as SPAM?

There  are  no  filters.  I  don't  know  why  your posts would not be
archived.  It  may  be  something  to  do  with the formatting of your
messages.

Does anyone else here have any ideas?

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Re: Announcement

2018-08-15 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 15 August 2018 at 15:37 MAU wrote and made these points

>>> Now all members should receive all messages without issue.
>>
>> I have not received Maxim's message announcing v8.5.8.5
>> I have seen it in Gmane though.

M> And  like I reported yesterday (or the day before) I have not received
M> Martin's  on Gmane.

My tests and announcements were the 'line in the sand'.

After  that  point,  any new messages should be received. Old messages
are lost forever :(

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Announcement

2018-08-15 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Dear Tbbeta members,

The  list  has  now  moved  to a new server that has a more up to date
version  of  ListMan  installed  and can now correctly deal with DMARC
issues.

The  first  test message I said was affected by a mis-configuration of
the host name.

The second test message I sent was and should be perfect.

Now all members should receive all messages without issue.

Many  thanks to Johannes Posel for his work getting this going so fast
today.

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Admin: Test 2

2018-08-15 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Dear Tbbeta,

A second test to the list.

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Re: 8.5.8.5

2018-08-15 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 15 August 2018 at 12:23 Maxim Masiutin wrote and made these points

MM> The Bat! 8.5.8.5 (BETA) is available at
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8585-32.rar
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8585-64.rar

MM> What's new in 8.5.8.5 since 8.5.8.4:
MM> [*] Changed attributes of newly-inserted HTML tables

U

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Re: eMail-List-Problems (was: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA))

2018-08-14 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 14 August 2018 at 12:39 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points

... 
>> X-HE-Spam-Score: -5.9
>> X-HE-Spam-Report: Content analysis details:   (-5.9 points)
... 
>>   0.1 DKIM_SIGNEDMessage has a DKIM or DK signature, not 
>> necessarily valid
>>  -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list
>>  manager
>>   0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid

LW>Maybe this helps someone in the know to find the reason.

The DKIM invalidity is caused by the signature having been inserted at
RITlabs  and  not  removed  by  the  mail  list server, thus no longer
matching  the  apparent  originator  (thebat.dutaint.com).  Your  mail
service  doesn't  score  that  failure  highly  (zero) and the message
passes through. Not all configurations are so forgiving.

It  was  to  avoid  this  that we made the horrible change to the list
settings.  Next  month,  we will be moving the lists to new servers at
RITlabs, over which we will have better control. Any control is better
than the 'none' we currently have.

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Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)

2018-08-13 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 08 August 2018 at 09:04 Zygmunt Wereszczynski wrote and made these
points

... 

ZW> Confirmed, it is fixed.

This was the last post on this list. As moderator, I have to give it a
probe  to  see  if it still functioning after the latest configuration
issues. Apologies for the white noise.

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Re: Host of the mailing list (was: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA))

2018-08-07 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 07 August 2018 at 22:24 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points

LW> on Dienstag, 7. August 2018 at 22:01  Marck Pearlstone 
 wrote
LW> re The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)

>>  I have tried repeatedly to contact the
>> server  admin  in  Germany,  who  donated  use  of the server for list
>> hosting years ago and no longer responds to emails.

LW>   Is that this one: https://csl.de/

No. It's not a commercial server. It's at a German university that may
have  IP  addresses  and  rack  mount servers leased from a commercial
company. Like I say - we don't have any access to that side of them.

LW>   Found via whois, and the phone number for the abuse contact...

Thanks  for  looking. It's not going to help. Another list member, who
knows the university and has some contacts there, has contacted me off
list and may be able to help.

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Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)

2018-08-07 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 07 August 2018 at 20:51 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points

... 
>> We  don't  have  access  to  the  list server to be able to inject (or
>> remove) headers as things stand.

... 
LW> I just had to click something in the admin interface to
LW> my webspace and copy-n-past some text from somewhere else,
... 

To clarify:

We  don't  have  access  to  the  list server to be able to inject (or
remove)  ANY  headers  or  settings  to  control anything like this as
things  stand.  All  we  have  is  a  web  interface  to  the  listman
administration for the list and nothing else. Until we can re-host the
list,  this  is  the situation. I have tried repeatedly to contact the
server  admin  in  Germany,  who  donated  use  of the server for list
hosting years ago and no longer responds to emails.

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Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)

2018-08-07 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 07 August 2018 at 19:07 MAU wrote and made these points

>> Max's  messages include a DKIM signature, which effectively marks list
>> traffic  as  spam,  since the sending domain fails to match the domain
>> certified in the DKIM signature.

M> But  if traffic is marked as spam, why his messages don't end up in my
M> Gmail account Spam folder?

In  the  case  of a DKIM failure, some servers (Max tells me) actually
reject  the  message.  That  would mean that you wouldn't find it in a
spam folder.

White-listing thebat.dutaint.com may get round this.

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Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)

2018-08-07 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 07 August 2018 at 17:58 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points

... 
>> H  this  makes  me think that if we can get the list server to
>> strip   the   DKIM   header,  the  issue  would  be  resolved  without
>> compromising the configuration of the list...

LW>   My Web and Mail provider has told me that the solution for Gmail is not 
DKIM, but SPF.
LW>  
LW>   My correspondent in the USA who did not get my mails after
LW> having moved to Google Mail, put my address in his White List, and I got 
SPF for may domains.
LW>  
LW>   After that it worked like charm.

We  don't  have  access  to  the  list server to be able to inject (or
remove) headers as things stand.

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Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)

2018-08-07 Thread Marck Pearlstone


MM>>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8583-32.rar
MM>>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8583-64.rar

M> Any  idea  why  I  have not received Maxim's message? I have looked in
M> Gmail's spam folder and it is not there.

Could  it  be  that  you  are  one  of  the recipients affected by the
addressing  issues that we tried to combat with the change to the list
configuration?

Max's  messages include a DKIM signature, which effectively marks list
traffic  as  spam,  since the sending domain fails to match the domain
certified in the DKIM signature.

H  this  makes  me think that if we can get the list server to
strip   the   DKIM   header,  the  issue  would  be  resolved  without
compromising the configuration of the list...

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Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)

2018-08-07 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 07 August 2018 at 16:08 Maxim Masiutin wrote and made these points

MM> The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) is available at
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8583-32.rar
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8583-64.rar

... 

U

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Re: What is Content-Type: text/html, and Body parts are not necessary attachments (was: Address book weirdness)

2018-08-04 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 04 August 2018 at 10:25 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points

LW> please excuse me to break in again, but here a correction is called for:

... 

>> Because  it's not the message. The only way of using HTML for email is
>> to  make  it an attachment. It's how email works.

LW>This is wrong. This is not how Internet email works today.  
... 
LW>A single body part can be text, binary, or application
LW> specific, and if it is text, the content-type would be mostly text/html or 
text/plain.[1]

... 
LW>Marck Pearlstone is wrong writing "The only way of using HTML
LW> for email is to  make  it an attachment."

Thanks for this correction. You are absolutely right.

LW>Look at Ira's message which Marck Pearlstone is replying to, identified 
by these headers:
... 
>> Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

LW> and this single body part was certainly not an "attachment".
LW> There was no other body part in it.

LW> But the mailing list processor Mailman added another body part with the 
headers
... 
LW> and only content being the footer for this mailing list

... 

In  which  case, I can see and sympathise with the point Ira made that
an  email  consisting  only of an HTML part shouldn't be showing as an
attachment.

I  wouldn't  like to see TB functionality compromised by smoothing out
that  interface  element at the expense of the ability to save message
parts externally in the correct content-type file type.

Perhaps  a  switchable  option  to "Attachments: Show all parts / Show
only  real  attachments"  would  provide the flexibility for power and
standard users alike.

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Re: Address book weirdness

2018-08-03 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 03 August 2018 at 09:12 Anton Belenki wrote and made these points

>> What to do?  If I can't get that to work, she won't let me buy
>> her a license.

AB> i'm wondering, why people even reply to this ** manipulation.
AB> someone had to tell them - .

Hate speech is not welcome. Your membership of this list is revoked.

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Re: Address book weirdness

2018-08-03 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 03 August 2018 at 08:08 Ira wrote and made these points

(apologies  for  the  tone  in  this  message  - it's not particularly
helpful,  but I feel a need to explain, in detail, why using HTML mail
should not be considered "how to do email").

I> But besides that, why does add sender to address  book do nothing.
I> Does it not work on imap accounts?

It works well on IMAP.

... 

>> That happens if HTML mails are created. The attachment Message.html is
>> the HTML part of the mail and can not be removed.
>> If you do not want this attachment then you have to use plain text
>> mails which have no formatting.

I> But she's use to windows mail and it doesn't have that weirdness.

What  you  meant  to  say  was "She's used to Windows Mail, which lies
about  the  content  and  hides the extra attachments created by using
HTML mail".

This  is  why  it's against the rules to use HTML mail on this mailing
list except for testing. Which reminds me - please stop doing that!

I> If it's just the message, why show it as an attachment?

Because  it's not the message. The only way of using HTML for email is
to  make  it an attachment. It's how email works. The Bat is all about
doing  it  properly,  which  includes  telling  you  how your email is
constructed and what attachments you have.

I> Why can't I hide if for simple users? Heck I'd hide it for me if I
I> could as it just seems to be noise, same as separating the html and
I> text portions of a message onto different pages. Why can I just
I> have a message tab as that's whats important.

Of  course you can. Just stop polluting your system and other people's
Inboxes  with  useless  HTML  attachments just to force them to read a
message  in  your  chosen  style instead of their preferred style (the
only purpose of HTML mail beyond embedding images).

I> Having to remember to check other tabs is onerous as is at some
I> level showing all the embedded images as attachments. I'd be happy
I> if I could see them if needed but all the time I spend seeing what
I> they are is a waste.

I'd  have a re-read of what you've written with the added insight that
HTML  mail  should  NOT  be the default and IS NOT the standard, but a
special case for when you have to enforce a specific presentation.

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Re: Moderators Announcement

2018-07-25 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 25 July 2018 at 10:40 p.stev...@libero.it wrote and made these
points

>> Change to list settings
>> ---

L> C'mon, this is nuts. Look at the result!

I have temporarily reverted to original behaviour while we explore our
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Re: 8.3.0.29

2018-06-15 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Dear Max,

On 15 June 2018 at 09:26 m...@ritlabs.com wrote and made these points

MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb83029-64.rar

... 

U

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Re: Endless amounts of spam from the Beta Mailing list.

2018-04-12 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Dear Ethan,

On 12 April 2018 at 18:59 supp...@thedesk.ca wrote and made these
points

EJM> Thursday, April 12, 2018, 7:52:58 AM, you wrote:

>> So either I am missing (as in failing to see) all that spam, or I would 
>> suspect other
>> factors involved in the plague you are experiencing.

EJM> It  was  a  serious  problem.   I  find  it interesting now that I have 
switch the hosting
EJM> company for the mailing, the spam and reduced significantly
EJM> And the original email server, is see a very small amount of spam.

EJM> The common denominator was the this mailing list.

The  "other  factors"  would  be the faking of the from address in the
spam  you  are receiving. They do not come from this list. Only 2 spam
messages  have been sent through the list in the past couple of months
and the accounts concerned placed on moderation.

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Re: Can't send mail to list

2018-03-17 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Dear Martin,

On 17 March 2018 at 16:45 dagob...@yahoo.com wrote and made these
points

M> Can't send messages to the list - I get

M> :
M> 550: 77.238.176.206 is listed at ix.dnsbl.manitu.net (127.0.0.2:
M> Your e-mail service was detected by spam.over.port25.me (NiX Spam) as
M> spamming at Sat, 17 Mar 2018 17:21:33 +0100. Your admin should visit
M> http://www.dnsbl.manitu.net/lookup.php?value=77.238.176.206)

However, visiting that address, I get told:

,--/  \--
The IP address 77.238.176.206 is not listed here.

On http://zy0.de/q/77.238.176.206 you can check other major blacklists
for the IP address and see email headers of recently received spam if
available.

Further information can be found at http://ix.de/nixspam/dnsbl_en/.
`--\ End /--


Looking further, I see

,--/  \--
Return-Path: 
X-Original-To: generator.roberts@SPAMTRAP.INVALID
Received: from sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com 
(sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.176.206])
by spam.over.port25.me (Spamtrap) with ESMTP
for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2018 17:21:30 
+0100 (CET)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; 
t=1521303690; bh=sfVgWenrVli12zuxQHPxjFFY24UZY8IYKejREObxUCY=; 
h=From:To:Reply-To:Date:Subject:From:Subject; 
b=gCqTOe0eJYH5+V+iE+EEkNPNcrI1hwEcFpxLZMDJKRSugVQijL1DKRwh+QiNHA15MRp8Dh8bL/ASikATBcCVjo+VYxj3n8xhlpc9VPOL0DHnwkBOyc64X/D8Ro0b0w7ww4DN0wVx73lACHNkVsvFr4B513+EoXexU1c/49gZ9vqMb016qHD2nnf6GrNZFXFc2RS2oYVbaJh5O/ixTWkjYObQPh+y+gnxkrgGlxmbMly5J6VLuvO0URcuCITyouF77a+qds/+FjYm5dcaQlBzJ5SggtS69D53FV3iVAXYk+jL1Gvx1h7SN9pAEEvOaeT9tWos10LalHhxYVjMVD/p8Q==
X-YMail-OSG: dVUuZdwVM1n7MTOTSRtYf07u719q3l.x6llG3pyJ2yn.hnRRDLENlUu7aFGpaZj
 s_io3VgdbZT74RgfEQVntl_tAzDn3poeWbBfS_fQVZggFo57.jzW0mPeiu7md_GEB14lb7fDig6E
 ytjMYj5.PpJzQhphlt43kBSEg4pIOS.KvIZ6CrwDg5Xc32b0XxXysvro2vK35LJBIGwMptICGOIb
 JUhXEbwNucdiJVq5IjAFzmTE1NUX6rHqiWab1oUatDstWoc0xXkO79LStiwQbcN847GX3WzwqiyL
 VixLLT3vbB7a3GFMq94yy9NHtvIJBQ0GUZN1mObZnJq8clDZ2sJv_8ibjhmfjL4lN1l7RIva1VJP
 wmyCdNrCc29gWgArAAgUA5Ptu6gGh3o.4VIL1n3ME2mQ7nWczBNDyztijfPP1_sh59KMpNftSIjT
 Eo08A43kMp9gKG_yY9EQpdfyucDUjlpgW4cgaiiZr5eGpzI0axbEReuIiLEA-
Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by 
sonic306.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Mar 2018 16:21:30 +
Received: from ip-40-236-239-173.florida.us.northamericancoax.com (EHLO 
LAPTOP-3BF6P3Q7) ([173.239.236.40])
  by smtp402.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA 
ID 9966e61c381bac29e64336917752581e
  for ;
  Sat, 17 Mar 2018 16:21:27 + (UTC)
MIME-Version: 1.0
`--\ End /--

Which  means  that yahoo's SMTP has been blacklisted for spamming! You
have  to  report  back  to  their  admins  to  get  them to have yahoo
unlisted.  Alternatively,  send  messages to the list from a non-yahoo
address.

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Delete duplicates issue

2018-02-06 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Greetings Bat Fans,

I'm  using  TB  64  bit version. I am getting a new mail server up and
running  and,  in  the  process,  running into situations where I have
duplicated emails in the test accounts.

I  ask TB to remove these duplicates, which it does perfectly. In some
cases, every email is in triplicate but this does not phase TB at all.

However,  even when removing 1000s of duplicated emails from a folder,
I  get  a  popup at the end saying "Looks like no folder processing is
necessary".  It  doesn't  seem  right  to  me  -  any  confirmations /
explanations?

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Re: 8.0.18.2

2018-01-10 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Dear Maxim,

On 10 January 2018 at 17:00 m...@ritlabs.com wrote and made these
points

EJM>> I really like the fix on the mailsploit in version 8.0.18.2.
EJM>> However, everything I send an HTML message with a picture in the body of 
the message, it fails.

MM> Please try one of the following MSI files, we might have just fixed this 
bug, please confirm:

... 
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_64_8-2.msi

Confirmed fixed for me. Thank you.

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Re: 8.0.18.2

2018-01-10 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Dear Maxim,

On 10 January 2018 at 15:44 m...@ritlabs.com wrote and made these
points

MM> Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 12:48:31 PM, you wrote:

EJM>> Confirmed.  I can reproduce this error.  As a result, anything
EJM>> with a picture in the message using HTML format does not work.

MM> We have tried to reproduce this and were unable to reproduce. Do
MM> you know last version where it did work properly? We will make an
MM> MSI today and then continue looking for the remedy for what you have 
described.

All works well in 18.0.14.7 and breaks in 18.0.18.1

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Re: 8.0.18.2

2018-01-10 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Dear Max,

On 09 January 2018 at 21:41 m...@ritlabs.com wrote and made these
points

MM> The Bat! 8.0.18.2 (ALPHA) is available at
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb80182-32.rar
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb80182-64.rar

Not  sure  what's  going on here but sending from an IMAP account is a
mess  for  me  on this one. Replying to an HTML message, I get "Cannot
create file "C:\WINDOWS\system32\43574529.jpg" every time an auto-save
occurs  or when I try to send.

If  I  write in plain text, TB completely freezes when I hit "Send the
message",  requiring a restart. From here, the message can be unparked
in  the  Outbox and is then sent. This second issue has been happening
in  most  builds  since December. There was a brief lull when that bug
was fixed, but it has regressed in the last two builds.

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TBBeta Mission Statement

2017-11-30 Thread Marck Pearlstone
 < The system cannot find the path specified (c:\Data\Zips\Internet 
Software\The Bat\TBUDL\MISSBETA.txt) >





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Re: Certificate import disabled

2017-11-28 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Dear Gwendragon,

On 28 November 2017 at 14:44 i...@gwendragon.de wrote and made these
points

G> On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, at 13:55:14 [GMT +] (which was 14:55 where I
G> live) Marck wrote:

>> So I am both seeking confirmation of a bug and looking for a workaround.

G> I hope i described it right.

G> A) Use Windows API for SSL certificates
G>The Bat! Options → S/MIME and TLS…
G>(•) Microsoft Crypto API
... 
G> Now the certificate should work.

This subset worked perfectly! (I had already imported the root cert to
the windows certificate system). I didn't even have to restart.

Also - this one should be signed.

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Certificate import disabled

2017-11-28 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Title: Certificate import disabled


Greetings Bat Fans,

Firstly - please excuse the HTML rule break - it is the only way to simply include a screen shot from the clipboard.

Secondly - please excuse the lack of PGP sig. I am still setting up the system and haven't got that far yet.

I just got a new laptop. Yay!! Happy days!

Then I came unstuck configuring TB to work on it.

My mail server uses a custom self-certified security certificate and it seems that the Unknown Certificate import is broken.



The 2 certificate control buttons are disabled. When this window was first shown, View Certificate was disabled. I clicked "Add to Trusted" at that time and perhaps, because of that, it has now disabled the Add to trusted option as well. Without viewing the certificate, I cannot import the root certificate. 

So I am both seeking confirmation of a bug and looking for a workaround.


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Re: 7.4.16.59

2017-10-13 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Dear Sergey,

On 13 October 2017 at 12:29 ad...@dotfix.net wrote and made these
points

MM>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb741659-64.rar

... 

SC> Font of the selected text is not showed (works on release, but not works at 
last 10 alphas):

SC> This is a good feature to select text and see the font name and
SC> size of last selected word in a text. Pressing "enter" on
SC> font-name field helps to change the font of all selected text to showed.

SC> Please fix.

Confirmed  and seconded (I've been meaning to write this up when I had
a moment!

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Re: TBBeta Mission Statement

2017-10-02 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Dear Lüko,

On 02 October 2017 at 18:49 wil...@luekowillms.de wrote and made
these points

... 

>> Header Field [Reply-To] Contains [TBBETA@thebat]

LW>Wrong.

Excuse me?

LW>Check the header field "ListID" for "tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com"
LW>   ListID is unique, and is set only by mail list managing software.

That's is also true.

LW>   The "Reply-to" header OTOH can be set manually for each and
LW> every message to any arbitrary value.

Can be but in the case of our lists, is not.

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TBBeta Mission Statement

2017-10-01 Thread Marck Pearlstone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Greetings Beta Listers,

This is your monthly message from the moderation team to remind you of
the primary purpose of this discussion list.

To review the list rules, follow the link at the end of this message.

Before  posting  a  question to the list, please check The Bat! User's
FAQ   at:  http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html  and  the  list
archive  at  http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com. To
join the list, send a message to mailto:tbbeta-j...@thebat.dutaint.com

~~
  TBBETA Mission statement
~~
The TBBETA list has been set up for the purpose of discussing The Bat!
officially released Beta test versions and related issues. For general
topics  of a more simple nature regarding full release versions, refer
to TBUDL. For more complex topics refer to TBTECH.

An  'officially released' beta version is one which has been announced
*by RITlabs* on the TBBETA list, usually with a list of changes.

Simply  send  messages  to tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com to send it to the
whole list.

See  the  notes  at  the  end of this message for details about how to
manage your list membership or to leave the list.


It  would  probably  be a good idea for you to set up a folder to keep
TBBETA messages in. If you do this, the next most useful thing to have
in place is an automatic filter to move mail from your inbox into your
TBBETA folder.

Set up a filter for incoming mail which looks for:

Header Field [Reply-To] Contains [TBBETA@thebat]

~~
  The Roguemoticon Project
~~

It's nice to see your contact's face in the header ... and for them to
see yours. That's what roguemoticons are all about. If you wish to add
yourself, then you'll need tovisitthissite
http://www.pcwize.com/thebat

What  this place will do for you is to allow you to create an account,
add  your  image  and then let you download a .ZIP file containing all
the  files you'll need to be able so see people's faces without having
to send or receive any real images in any messages.

To  trigger  the roguemoticon display in the message header for anyone
reading  your  message  using  TB,  you  have  the choice of using the
X-Rogue: header or a signature trigger.

  How to use a signature trigger
The  image  is  triggered  by  a  'Handle'  you've defined in your
account,  and  when  that  Handle  appears  in  a  message it gets
replaced  on  the client side by the corresponding image. A handle
could look like anything you want it to look like pretty much. For
example:
:Marck_Pearlstone:
Just add this text to your standard message signature block.

  How to create the X-Rogue: header
You can do that with this macro:
%SetHeader('X-Rogue',':your_handle:')%- in your templates for this
and other tb-lists.
However, the macro alone won't do the trick.
TB'll  say:  'Hey,  that's not any RFC822 header I know about', so
you'll have to define it as such:
Options  ..  Preferences .. Messages .. Message headers .. 'Add'

Now you'll get a pop-up to define the header

  Display as: X-Rogue (or whatever, it isn't very important)
  RFC header: X-Rogue
  Uncheck: 'This field is an address list' (because it isn't)
  Check: 'Allow this field to be edited in the message editor'
  Uncheck:  'Display  this  field  in  the  scrollable part of the
  header pane'

Now  you're  done and every TB-user can see your lovable face when
they've installed the roguemoticons.

For you to see peoples faces:

  To  get  this going, you should be running TB! v2.12 or later. Fetch
  the following file:
  http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/smileys/Rogues.zip

  Unzip  it  to the 'Images' directory that's in your TB! installation
  directory:  C:\Program  Files\The  Bat!\Images You should now have a
  directory called 'rogues' containing many images as well as the file
  'rogues.msl'  in your Images directory. Go into the preferences, and
  bring up the View/Editor options. Now hit Shift-CTRL-Alt-T while TB!
  is  in focus. This will re-fetch TB!'s smiley set from disk and load
  the new images.

  Within  TB  itself,  select  Options  -->  Preferences  and click on
  'Viewer/Editor and enable 'Use smiley icons in HTML editor'.

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Re: 7.4.16.53

2017-09-24 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Dear Max,

On 24 September 2017 at 22:40 m...@ritlabs.com wrote and made these
points

MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb741653-64.rar

... 

ERROR!
Page not found

Requested page: /download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb741653-64.rar

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TBBeta Mission Statement

2017-08-31 Thread Marck Pearlstone
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Hash: SHA1

Greetings Beta Listers,

This is your monthly message from the moderation team to remind you of
the primary purpose of this discussion list.

To review the list rules, follow the link at the end of this message.

Before  posting  a  question to the list, please check The Bat! User's
FAQ   at:  http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html  and  the  list
archive  at  http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com. To
join the list, send a message to mailto:tbbeta-j...@thebat.dutaint.com

~~
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~~
The TBBETA list has been set up for the purpose of discussing The Bat!
officially released Beta test versions and related issues. For general
topics  of a more simple nature regarding full release versions, refer
to TBUDL. For more complex topics refer to TBTECH.

An  'officially released' beta version is one which has been announced
*by RITlabs* on the TBBETA list, usually with a list of changes.

Simply  send  messages  to tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com to send it to the
whole list.

See  the  notes  at  the  end of this message for details about how to
manage your list membership or to leave the list.


It  would  probably  be a good idea for you to set up a folder to keep
TBBETA messages in. If you do this, the next most useful thing to have
in place is an automatic filter to move mail from your inbox into your
TBBETA folder.

Set up a filter for incoming mail which looks for:

Header Field [Reply-To] Contains [TBBETA@thebat]

~~
  The Roguemoticon Project
~~

It's nice to see your contact's face in the header ... and for them to
see yours. That's what roguemoticons are all about. If you wish to add
yourself, then you'll need tovisitthissite
http://www.pcwize.com/thebat

What  this place will do for you is to allow you to create an account,
add  your  image  and then let you download a .ZIP file containing all
the  files you'll need to be able so see people's faces without having
to send or receive any real images in any messages.

To  trigger  the roguemoticon display in the message header for anyone
reading  your  message  using  TB,  you  have  the choice of using the
X-Rogue: header or a signature trigger.

  How to use a signature trigger
The  image  is  triggered  by  a  'Handle'  you've defined in your
account,  and  when  that  Handle  appears  in  a  message it gets
replaced  on  the client side by the corresponding image. A handle
could look like anything you want it to look like pretty much. For
example:
:Marck_Pearlstone:
Just add this text to your standard message signature block.

  How to create the X-Rogue: header
You can do that with this macro:
%SetHeader('X-Rogue',':your_handle:')%- in your templates for this
and other tb-lists.
However, the macro alone won't do the trick.
TB'll  say:  'Hey,  that's not any RFC822 header I know about', so
you'll have to define it as such:
Options  ..  Preferences .. Messages .. Message headers .. 'Add'

Now you'll get a pop-up to define the header

  Display as: X-Rogue (or whatever, it isn't very important)
  RFC header: X-Rogue
  Uncheck: 'This field is an address list' (because it isn't)
  Check: 'Allow this field to be edited in the message editor'
  Uncheck:  'Display  this  field  in  the  scrollable part of the
  header pane'

Now  you're  done and every TB-user can see your lovable face when
they've installed the roguemoticons.

For you to see peoples faces:

  To  get  this going, you should be running TB! v2.12 or later. Fetch
  the following file:
  http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/smileys/Rogues.zip

  Unzip  it  to the 'Images' directory that's in your TB! installation
  directory:  C:\Program  Files\The  Bat!\Images You should now have a
  directory called 'rogues' containing many images as well as the file
  'rogues.msl'  in your Images directory. Go into the preferences, and
  bring up the View/Editor options. Now hit Shift-CTRL-Alt-T while TB!
  is  in focus. This will re-fetch TB!'s smiley set from disk and load
  the new images.

  Within  TB  itself,  select  Options  -->  Preferences  and click on
  'Viewer/Editor and enable 'Use smiley icons in HTML editor'.

~~
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Re: Please configure Mailman to insert an ID for this list in the Subject line

2017-08-31 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Dear Lüko,

On 31 August 2017 at 06:00 wil...@luekowillms.de wrote and made these
points

LW>I'm new to this mailing list, so please bear with me that I
LW> have never had the honor to meet you before.

Welcome. And you have your answer.

I  have  already  stated  that  we /used/ to use the [listname] and we
stopped. It is not open to discussion.

... 

>> You do manual spam filtering with the Despatcher before
>> downloading? Wow. You must have a lot of time on your hands.

... 

LW> •   doing it that way actually saves time, as my brain is faster
LW> than the PC and makes less errors (a programmed spam filter would

Had  you  used  the sorting office to pre-filter all messages with the
list  header  (this  filtering  is  done using headers only), not only
would the filtering have been far quicker than the human brain and eye
and more accurate, but only spam would have remained.

LW> •   browsing the incoming mail before it is filtered to the
LW> various specific folders gives me the hints as to where I should
LW> look first for something interesting. 

LW>   And: "I do it my way!" as the famous song goes.

Others  have suggested that there are better, more efficient ways than
"your  way".  Just  because you use a less efficient and less accurate
method  of sorting your email than the rest of us here, you should not
be  asking  us to change something that has been working well for more
than a decade just to accommodate a single user.

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Re: Please configure Mailman to insert an ID for this list in the Subject line

2017-08-30 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Dear Uwe,

On 30 August 2017 at 13:20 uwe.steinf...@online.de wrote and made
these points

... 
>> configuration option to the Mailman mailing list processor to add
>> e.g. [TBbeta] to the Subject line. 

US> NO, don't do that, please.
US> There  is  always the header "List-Id: " in
US> each  mail  on this list. So you can perfectly filter for TBBETA mails
US> and don't have to uglify the subject.

...  which  was  the  thinking  when  we  removed the [TBBETA] (et al)
subject  tags  many  years  ago  -  back  when we moved from Syafril's
dutaint servers to a MailMan server under Johannes control.

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Re: 7.4.16.44

2017-07-24 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Dear Maxim,

On 24 July 2017 at 16:51 m...@ritlabs.com wrote and made these points

MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb741644-64.rar

MM> What's new in 7.4.16.44 since 7.4.16.43:
MM> [-] Fixed hangs of previous Alpha (BETA issue)

Yes! The first usable (for me) build since 33. Thank you Max!

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Re: 7.4.16.43

2017-07-24 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Dear Maxim,

On 23 July 2017 at 13:01 m...@ritlabs.com wrote and made these points

... 
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb741643-64.rar

... 
MM> [-] Improvements on multi-threaded operation

I  have  had  to revert to build 33. While build 43 loads and runs, it
freezes frequently with no exceptions raised or logged.

o   When re-filtering about 50 messages in the inbox
o   When  completing a message to send - failing to update the outbox
before freezing and losing final edits.
o   When  requesting  "Select  all"  in  a  message list for a common
folder.

Nothing I can say "this is going wrong because of (x,y,z)" about. Just
an instability and it may be IMAP or multi-threading related.

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Re: 7.4.16.41

2017-07-22 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Dear Max,

On 22 July 2017 at 09:40 m...@ritlabs.com wrote and made these points

MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb741641-64.rar

MM> [-] Some fixes of alpha 38-40 (BETA issue)

Still unable to start this build. Crashes with the splash screen still
showing and will not load.

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Re: 7.4.16.40

2017-07-21 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Title: Re: 7.4.16.40


Dear Max,

On 21 July 2017 at 05:59 m...@ritlabs.com wrote and made these points

MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb741640-64.rar

Unable to load this version



This appears on startup and TB does not run.

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Re: 7.4.16.38

2017-07-20 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Dear Max,

On 20 July 2017 at 13:19 m...@ritlabs.com wrote and made these points

>> NOT U 

MM> Sorry for the premature announcement, we will release it later. Waiting for 
the log.

You should have it.

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Re: 7.4.16.38

2017-07-20 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Title: Re: 7.4.16.38


Dear Max,

On 20 July 2017 at 12:41 m...@ritlabs.com wrote and made these points

MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb741638-64.rar

MM> [-] Fixed some issues of previous versions (BETA issue)

NOT U 



Showstopper on startup. It won't even load. I will send you the exception log.

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Re: 7.4.16.37

2017-07-19 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Title: Re: 7.4.16.37


Dear Max,

On 19 July 2017 at 11:36 m...@ritlabs.com wrote and made these points

MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb741637-64.rar

... 



Accessing new messages (first occurrence when clicking on the ticker.

Exception logs coming by pm.

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Re: 7.4.16.36

2017-07-18 Thread Marck Pearlstone
Title: Re: 7.4.16.36


Dear Max,

On 18 July 2017 at 11:24 m...@ritlabs.com wrote and made these points

MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb741636-64.rar

MM> [-] Some fixes of 7.4.16.35/7.4.16.34 (BETA issue)



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