Hello Martin
Well, this was kind of a long time ago now and there's no written proof left.
But all the same, it sticks in the memory and it's the primary reason why
Gordon isn't an owner of a Jaws license.
Lynne
On 5 Jun 2012, at 15:27, Martin McCormick wrote:
One thing people have t
Hello Chris
On 5 Jun 2012, at 12:56, chris hallsworth
wrote:
• Lynn can I just spread the word about GoldWave, a very cheap alternative to
Sound Forge and may do what you want to do. What's more the author cares about
his blind customers, potential or otherwise, and is very responsive to
fee
Gordon, it seems their standard operating procedure is the same no
matter what product you're talking about. I'd bought a used braille
printer (a versapoint bp some or other) and freedom scientific/blazie
had just bought enabling technologies, the original makers of that
particular model p
Sometimes, if you dig around about a company, you can
find an organizational chart. I have heard of people working up
or down the chart until they got hold of somebody who cared.
Complaining is a fine art and I don't claim to have any
special skill at it, but persistence is one key
I just check and they don't have a twitter or facebook so looks like you eather
call them by phoen or keep waiting, or keep emailing. good luck.
On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Martin McCormick wrote:
> One thing people have tried that worked was to see if
> the company in question has a twitt
Oh yeah. I use goldwave for all of my ediitn stuff under windows and I mut stay
it rocks in terms of accessibility. The dev has responded to me with in a few
hours, at most wiht in a few days.
Take care.
On Jun 5, 2012, at 4:56 AM, chris hallsworth wrote:
> Lynn can I just spread the word abou
One thing people have tried that worked was to see if
the company in question has a twitter account. Some do monitor
twitter and FaceBook and they have live people who will get in
touch with you if you are being reasonable which I am sure you
are.
"Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes:
> in
Lynn can I just spread the word about GoldWave, a very cheap alternative
to Sound Forge and may do what you want to do. What's more the author
cares about his blind customers, potential or otherwise, and is very
responsive to feedback. The trial is very fair as well; 150 commands per
session be
Hello Chris
On 4 Jun 2012, at 17:16, chris hallsworth
wrote:
• this will be a very old version of NVDA but under your circumstances you are
best to contact Acapela and enquire if you can update the version on the thumb
drive. If not so be it and install on the local system only.
We do curren
Hello Gordon this will be a very old version of NVDA but under your
circumstances you are best to contact Acapela and enquire if you can
update the version on the thumb drive. If not so be it and install on
the local system only.
On 04/06/2012 14:41, Gordon Smith wrote:
Hi Chris
I appreciate
Hi Travis
Unfortunately, Freedom Scientific with Jonathan Mosen at the helm seems to have
really decided to spend much of the money they rake in from American agencies,
Australian agencies and UK agencies and individuals, in an effort to take over
the accessibility world in the eyes of the law.
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Subject: Re: Screen-Readers
I would just like to point out (for the record) that everyone see
A lot of people are concerned about U.S. Patent law in
that it is too easy to "own" an idea these days so basically,
everybody becomes a thief at some time or other. Hopefully, the
pendulum will swing back in the other direction one of these
days. Did you know, for example, that Kodak holds
I would just like to point out (for the record) that everyone seems
to use the capslock these days as a modifier for the screen reader.
That in and of itself isn't a major deal. However, it seems that
freedom scientific has been jumping on everyone it can lately for the
slightest encursio
Hi Chris
I appreciate your advice/instructions. But it ain't that simple I'm afraid.
My version of NVDA was supplied on a thumb drive, as part of the InfoVox 3
speech suite for Windows. Updating it would screw up the thumb drive, and I'm
not particularly disposed towards doing that given tha
Hello Gordon please take a look again at NVDA very soon as it is obvious
it's a while since you played with it. First of all, NVDA supports many
Braille displays natively, as well as those supported by Brltty. Also
most of the NVDA keys, if set to the laptop layout, involves use of the
caps loc
I sincerely hope that Freedom, GW and the rest have seen what they're doing
with NVDA and are suitably worried. Maybe it'll convince them they need to
lower their extortionate prices. If not, I hope that NVDA, along with, of
course, Apple, eventually put them all out of business.
I confess t
Uhh, I must correct one misconception in this email.
Ms *did* produce a screen reader years ago.
At that time, a few screenreader manufacturers blew their top,
threatened all sorts of legal action, and (surprisingly enough) ms
caved.
They didn't toss their efforts entirely though, they turned
hello and thanks,
what I did was replied to a previous message so I could get the address to
send a new message to the list.
Thank you
again, I enjoy reading the information on the list.
Bill Deatherage
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On 30 Dec 2011, at 23:30, Bill Deatherage wrote:
Hello Bill
• also, I would like the e-mail address to send a message to the list. I must
have deleted the message with that information. thank you for your help in
advance.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean here; as you already sent a messag
Hello,
I am using both the mac and the windows computer. My Mac is still running
snow leperd. there things I like about both systems.
also, I would like the e-mail address to send a message to the list. I must
have deleted the message with that information. thank you for your help in
advanc
The way these things should work is that Microsoft
licenses let's say JAWS or WE as their official screen reader.
It comes with every version of WindowsXYZ sold. The company
doing the actual screen reader work is treated as a contractor
and gets so much per copy of Windows sold as royalties
to a strange person's Mac and
use Voiceover if needed. Try doing that with Windows.
The model presently in effect for Windows is
fundamentally unsustainable as Windows screen readers get more
and more expensive. That's what's really broken. We can get angry
at Freedom Scient
ently in effect for Windows is
fundamentally unsustainable as Windows screen readers get more
and more expensive. That's what's really broken. We can get angry
at Freedom Scientific or Humanware, but what's really wrong is
Microsoft's decision many years ago not to produce a sc
Hello Chris
I've checked again and you're quite right. FS does a dedicated installer for 32
and 64-bit.
Lynne
On 29 Dec 2011, at 17:29, chris hallsworth wrote:
Ok Lynn well with Window-Eyes demo version you download one program and you can
install it on any flavour of Windows.
On 29/12/2011
Ok Lynn well with Window-Eyes demo version you download one program and
you can install it on any flavour of Windows.
On 29/12/2011 16:02, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
Hello Chris
I will check again; but I'm sure I read that on the home page, it only worked
on certain brands of 32-bit W
Hello Chris
I will check again; but I'm sure I read that on the home page, it only worked
on certain brands of 32-bit Windows. But you may indeed be correct.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say it's not like WE because WE will work
on any brand of Windows.
Lynne
On 29 Dec 2011, at 15:37,
Hi Lynn no JFW demo version runs on both 32 and 64 bit Windows. The
trick is to download the correct version according to your version of
Windows. This is unlike WE or any other screen reader since the one
program works on both platforms. I don't know why FS went down this
route but there you g
Hello Chris
Well, I can't actually try JFW because the demo version is only 32-bit and ours
is the 64-bit version of Windows. Maybe it will work; but again, we have
Ultimate and the demo page seems to indicate that it only works on Home basic
and Home Premium.
Window-Eyes doesn't to my knowled
Hello Lynn well JFW does the same thing as Window-Eyes in terms of web
pages. You can however change this somewhere. You are looking for
document presentation. Change that to use screen layout.
On 29/12/2011 06:06, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
Hello Chris
NVDA seems far more object orie
Hello Chris
NVDA seems far more object orientated than either of the big two. I really
don't mean to offend; but this is one of those instances where vision is a very
definite advantage in terms of assessing accessibility. Window-Eyes changes
your web page into a vertical sheet of paper, in eff
Golly,
This thread has read like a battle field.
I like what Paul said about the expenses that a company must go through
to output a quality product. And if wasn't for their effort and all
those who DECIDED to buy their products, hence supporting their further
research and development, all th
Yep, I see where you're coming from in the below post, the points you rais have
been responsible for some very negative reviews of the Mac and its operating
system, I remember in one such case where around 90% of what was written was
totally wrong and inaccurate, I respectfully wrote to the auth
Hello Mary
On 28 Dec 2011, at 21:10, Mary Stores wrote:
• Well, there is ZoomText, and also Drangon Naturally Speaking. Those are both
great AT products that do well with Windows, but many of our students have
reported frustrations on the mac to the point of returning the programs.
I would nev
Thank you Mary.
Your points regarding Apple VS Microsoft are well noted, actually what
you said was exactly what I tried to say in a reply earlier in this thread.
Yes, accessibility to Googles Android OS was a disappointment but its
getting better, IceCream Sandwich has come along way and the
Well, there is ZoomText, and also Drangon Naturally Speaking. Those are
both great AT products that do well with Windows, but many of our
students have reported frustrations on the mac to the point of
returning the programs.
Firefox also have some very good web accessibility evaluation tools
No doubt about it that - at the present - IOS devices are incredibly
popular with blind people however whether the status quo remains will be
the interesting point given that accessibility to Android technology is
improving at an alarming rate! thanks to both third party developers and
Google.
Hello Dane
Alright; just to be clear. I'm talking about all Apple devices; iPhones, iPads,
iPods and their notebooks and desktop computers. Judging by the influx of Mac
Access members we're getting, many of them from down-under, it would seem that
popularity is increasing rapidly. But I'm not i
Again I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you regarding popularity of
Apple systems with blind people, certainly here in Australia at the moment at
any rate, and I've stated the reasons why.
As for Microsoft Narrator? Well under Windows 7 its certainly better than it
had been and yep, p
Hello Dane
As for what does Apple have to do with Window-Eyes, that's where you are
twisting my words to suit your own meaning. I simply made the comment that if
Apple could incorporate accessibility into its platforms, (in the plural), then
why can't Microsoft do the dame; and I'm not talking
And what's Apple got to do with Window-Eyes?
We're talking too completely different scenarios here it seems.
Apple are developing their computers, their operating system and so on thus its
easier for the company to incorporate such useful features such as a Screen
Reading solution, a magnifier
Hello Paul
I'm not in a position to argue the exact stats and figures, so I wouldn't like
to in any way contradict your quotes. However, Apple has shown what's possible
if the developer is prepared to play ball, so to speak. The number of vision
impaired people using their products is rising ra
I take your points below regarding the price of adaptive technology
however some people unfortunately seem to have problems realising just
what adaptive technology involves.
firstly - regardless of what anyone thinks of Window-Eyes, JFW etc - a
lot of time and money has to go into research and
HI Lynne,
Although WindowEyes may seem expensive it and other assistive technology
products have a small market compared with mainstream software. Last time I
looked the GWMicro team was about 20 strong and they all have to be paid. The
cost of employing each person could be around 100 K dollar
Helo Travis
I've just been as good as told, by another member of this group who doesn't
have vision, that my views are not worth the consideration because I'm
fortunate enough to be able to see. I just don't get the logic behind
isolationism based on a disability; but there we are.
All the sam
Yah, I had a very bad experience with gwmicro a couple years ago.
I'd gotten on the rental plan. Basically, you pay a hundred bucks a
month for so many months, then after your time is up, they'd send you
the full version of the software, and you're all done.
Well, after about 4 or 5 months,
Hello Dane
On 26 Dec 2011, at 19:24, Dane trethowan wrote:
Hmmm.. not sure I'd go so far as to call Window-Eyes "Overpriced junk", but I
will say that GW Micro have dropped the ball and need to do some serious work
on the software.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating; and Window-Eyes doe
Hmmm.. not sure I'd go so far as to call Window-Eyes "Overpriced junk",
but I will say that GW Micro have dropped the ball and need to do some
serious work on the software.
On 27/12/2011 5:57 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
Hello Dane
I hope that's true; but the rumours are that Micr
I'm sure I'm right, "Narrator" for Windows 8 is out if you know where to
go to see it.
On 27/12/2011 5:57 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
Hello Dane
I hope that's true; but the rumours are that Microsoft have reached an
agreement with the developers of NVDA to do something with it. I
Hello Dane
I hope that's true; but the rumours are that Microsoft have reached an
agreement with the developers of NVDA to do something with it. I'm not sure
what, but somebody mentioned it somewhere in public not long ago.
I hope you're right; I hope there's always some free version kicking ar
DA on hand.
Regardless of all this though, GW Micro should be ashamed of themselves,
Thunderbird uses pretty much standard controls which can be accessed by Screen
Readers.
I know a blind person here who sells JAWS as part of his job, I wondered
whether JAWS could access the latest TB so I asked th
that only seems to work half
of the time so its just much easier having NVDA on hand.
Regardless of all this though, GW Micro should be ashamed of themselves,
Thunderbird uses pretty much standard controls which can be accessed by
Screen Readers.
I know a blind person here who sells JAWS as
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