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death
BT:Izzy, maybe you can help me out
here, but
Were they referring to the first physical birth, JD? Or the second
one? iz
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Spiritual death
Footnotes in the New
Iz: I'm
sure there's a lesson in there somewhere. :-) So are you agreeing with me
that our physical bodies really are dying,
Yes.
and
you are speaking only metaphorically about our bodies being risen with
Christ at the moment? Izzy
Well, if I
BT:Paul tells
us that Christ re-gatheredall things (Eph 1.10) and that in him all
things have their being or ontological There you go
using one of those nonbiblical words, Bill. I had said
something the other dayin reference to our ontological status in
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Footnotes in the New King James and NASV show born "from above" to be a
viable translation and my Brown/Comfort Greek interlinear English translation
actually uses "born from above" rather than "born again."
JD
Here we have a perfect example of what modern day Jehudi's do to God's word. If it disagrees with their doctrine CHANGE the word. "A better translation would be 'ABOVE'" Once you change one word why not another and another. See how men help out God.
I wonder if Marcion got his start by modifying
Good Morning Izzy :)
I've been watching your interaction here with interest
along with the hope that you will suceed in communicationg where I have
failed but so far it does not look good.
bt writes: You'd better check your records, Izzy. This whole thing started
when I pointed out that
Thanks for this Kevin, it is really interesting and
proves the truth of there being"nothing new under the sun"
It's the same old battle isn't it? "Hath God
said?" "Hath God said?" And if folkdon't like what He said
there is
always some philosopher out there with some 50 million
dollar words
Izzy responds: So you really don'tobject, on the
grounds of being a nonbiblical term, if we use the term "spiritual death"
Bill?
I
think you are a bit confused, Izzy.It is not the term (since it
haslong ago been shown here that objection to a "nonbiblical term" is
inherently absurd) but
Izzy
responds: If you were born "from below" the first time, and "bornfrom
above" the second time, wasn't the second time born "again"?
Yes.However,"from above" adds specific content that is not
contained in "again", and it is that content which may be the focus of the
passage.
Debbie
Judy wrote:
Yes Bill you are the hypocrite on this
one and you need to repent.
I haven't been following the posts the last few days, but I read this one
this morning. Judy, please refrain from ad hominem arguments like this.
Such only reveals your frustration in being able to communicate and
Izzy, let's not be silly. You've got one body and
it's getting older.
Bill
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From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:00 AM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual
death
Iz:
I'm sure there's
No, my point was firstly that it was a non-biblical
term -- so be honest enough to recognize that you too are putting your trust in
a "doctrine of man";and secondly that it wasinaccurate -- if what
you areactually holding to is the idea of a literal spiritual
death.
Bill
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No one has changed any words, Kevin. This is a
false accusation. I changed the translation of a word to more
accurately reflect the original intent.
bill
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Kevin
Deegan
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John says, in so many worfs, Jesus is wrong Terry
Now, Terry is just making up stuff without giving a response to my objections.
"Come on in -- its FREE -- but you can't stay in our FREE home unless you pay $750 a month after the first month...and never ever
DAVEH: While that may apply to Izzy's husband's body, you must know
Izzy does not appear to be aging at all (If you don't believe me,
check out her picture on the members' photo pageshe looks the same
as she did 5 years ago!) :-)
Bill Taylor wrote:
Izzy, let's not be
Thanks Debbie. Thats what I was
asking BT, because at one point his objection included that issue. Im
sure he will get back to me on that. izzy
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No one has suggested that the Holy Spirit
came from anywhere else but above. izzy
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Linda:
My computer froze up when I tried to respond to the post you wrote indicating your confusion overthe issue of "spiritual death." The words, themselves, are not the issue. I attach concepts to words. It is the concept of "spiritual death" that is in question. "Trinty" is a non-biblical
And while I am metaphorically sitting
with Christ in the heavenlies, my physical body is notit is right
here, going downhill, even as my spirit person is getting better every day in
Christ. So is my spirit in a different place than my body, Bill? Of course
not. This shows that one can use
It has nothing to do with "liberal." There are millions of political liberals that are at least as spiritually orientedas you.
JD
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My view is more correctly this: spiritual
death is simply the pre-quickened (ie: born-again)
spiritual state of any person. They are not yet awakened to things of the Holy
Spirit. Scripture holds no real interest for them compared to the philosophies
of men. They have no grasp of true
Just goes to show that Jesus inside
changes us on the outside. J (Plus I only post the good photos!)
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Referring to "born again."-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 03:50:21 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death
Were they referring to the first physical birth, JD? Or the second one? iz
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I could just as easily have used the word lost.
Same difference. (Spiritually oriented aint the same as saved,
JD.) iz
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Yeah, I suppose so -- AS LONG AS YOU REALIZE THAT
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A METAPHOR NOW!
Your "spirit" is growing stronger because of Christ
IN you via the Holy Spirit. That is differentthanyou in Christ, in
terms of your existence.
Bill
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And where is this "born from below" in the text, or does this matter to you?
The "birth from above" or "new birth" brings the manifestation of Christ into our lives. And what does this manifestation accomplish -- it reveals that God has been our partner all along !! (John 3:21).
JD
Thank you for admitting that. iz
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Referring to "born again."-Original
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How's that?
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Yeah, I suppose so -- AS LONG AS YOU REALIZE THAT
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A METAPHOR NOW!
Your
I am not interested in going down the same road
again, so I will abstain from answering your question.
God's blessings,
Bill
By the way, I think I understand your position.
Thank you for expressing it.
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"from below" is the alternative to "from above"--physical birth on
earth. Your last sentence is from outer space.
iz
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:-)
JD-Original Message-From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:37:57 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death
DAVEH: While that may apply to Izzy's husband's body, you must know Izzy does not appear to be aging at all (If
Just when I think I've cornered you into acknowledging the obvious
you quit playing. Oh, well
iz
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IF it were the same, then how could you have
existed prior to your reception of the Holy Spirit? In Christ is the existence
of everything. Christ in you is exclusive in that he is present only in
believers; hence their hope of glory.
Bill
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Wereally have to drop this whole"nonbiblical term" red herring.
First step to becoming a Jehudi!Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Izzy responds: So you really don'tobject, on the grounds of being a nonbiblical term, if we use the term "spiritual death" Bill?
I think you are a bit
it is that content which may be the focus of the passage
Why would anyone be persuaded by a uncertain sound?
KJV Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Izzy responds: If you were born "from below" the first time, and "bornfrom above" the
So, no scripture. Thanks for the admission. Outer space? John 3:21 He who does the truth COMES TO THE LIGHT, that his deeds might be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."
In the above, "He who does the truth" is complimented by "...they have been done in God." We are ALREADY indwelt
Nice THEORY
Where are the facts?
You nor BT can prove this Theory anymore than proving the Tooth Fairy!David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judy wrote: Yes Bill you are the hypocrite on this one and you need to repent.I haven't been following the posts the last few days, but I read this one this
Good Morning David, you write:
Judy wrote:Yes Bill you are the hypocrite on thisone and you
need to repent.
DM: I haven't been following the posts the last few days, but I read this
one this morning. Judy, please refrain from ad hominem arguments like
this. Such only reveals your
There is scripture JD, Izzy may not have had time right
now to find it.
Jesus spells it out for us in John 3:31:
"He who comes from above is above all; he wo is of the
earth is earthly and speaks of the earth.
He who comes from heaven is above all"
So there you go .. If you
are not born
Are you the Apostle of Lawlessness?
Lawless: Not subject to law; unrestrained by law
You preach The theology of "lawless grace"
Have you power then to absolve all responsibility for your actions?
Are we then to "sin that grace may abound"?
Is the Law of God illegal in your eyes?
A Christian has
Thats always the line!
The watchtower did not change anywords either, they changed the translation,see the NWT!Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No one has changed any words, Kevin. This is a false accusation. I changed the translation of a word to more accurately reflect the original
Everytime you read your KJV, you are reading
"changed" words, Kevin: this because you are reading a translation.
Bill
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From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual
Actually this is what happens when the Righteous ignore their duty to their neighbor, and themselves. We have abdicated our rightful positionsand handed them to the wicked.
The enemy is more than willing to take positions of power in the government. And you wonder why things are headed the way
Your last sentence is from outer space. iz
It is from the TEXAS Translation, "God is our partner"
HOWDY PARDNER!
Maybe then we don't need an "appointment", after all?
ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"from below" is the alternative to "from above"--physical birth on earth. Your last
And there are only ONE Set of MARBLESin this game, BUMMER!ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just when I think I've cornered you into acknowledging the obvious you quit playing. Oh, well iz
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I guess Guy Fawkes did not like the KJV either.http://www.present-truth.org/KJV-HB/KJV-Bible.htm
Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good Morning David, you write:
Judy wrote:Yes Bill you are the hypocrite on thisone and you need to repent.
DM: I haven't been following the posts the last few
Changed subjects should be reflected on the Subject line.
Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Everytime you read your KJV, you are reading "changed" words, Kevin: this because you are reading a translation.
Bill
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From: Kevin Deegan
To:
DM writes:
My viewpoint tends to be one that recognizes spiritual inheritance only as
an authority issue, not as something passed on through the act of creating
progeny. Sin gives spirits in the air authority over us and over our
children.
Therefore, they have an effect upon future
Butwe know Kevin don't we that interpretation is
not the same as
"translation"
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:12:05 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Everytime you read your KJV, you are reading
"changed" words, Kevin:
this because you are reading a
translation.
Bill
Thanks Kevin!
Every day is a learning experience. I had no idea that
terrorism in the UK was just as rife in
that day - or that Guy Fawkes was a good RC. One
never knows what you will dig up, it's
exciting !!! jt
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 7/27/2005 6:42:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
IT is not FAITH IN SPITE of the FACTS.
A true faith reflects REALITY!
It is not like some LDS believe "God took away the plates and made it
look like they were not real so we could have
A Mormon doctrine relating to the
body and the spirit--check it out for what it is worth to
you: (Jesus Christ speaking:)
The spirit of truth is of God. I am the spirit
of truth, and John bore record of me, saying: He received a fullness of truth,
yea, even of all truth;
And no man
Interesting--where did you get your info?
Blainer
In a message dated 7/27/2005 7:00:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
FYI - The
MormonChurch is the 8t largest denom
in the US with 2, 787,000 adherents.
Churches of Christ in 9th with 2,503,000
Blainer: What I hear you saying is that God created billions of
souls for the express purpose of sending them to hell because they did not get a
chance to hear the truth and accept Jesus Christ, confess him with their mouths,
then continue about their daily sinning, but with a renewed
Blainerb: Interesting Dave, thanks--I have copied a part of one of
the below site addresses for the quick and easy perusal of TTr's:
Here's the 2005 list of the largest U.S. denominations:
1. The Catholic Church - 67,259,768
2. Southern Baptist Convention - 16,439,603
3. The United
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It has nothing to do with "liberal." There are millions of
political liberals that are at least as spiritually orientedas you.
JD
===
Oh yeah? Well just name
In a message dated 7/28/2005 12:06:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: Sometimes you simply entice me too much, Kevin. As
you know, I feel no need to feed the monster in you that wants to attack my
beliefs. Hence, I've avoided responding to your posts for
In a message dated 7/28/2005 12:11:43 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Indeed -- it does appear that my source is somewhat
off. And I paid $14.99 for the dern thing.
I stand corrected
JD
Next time you have $14.95 to spend on a lousy book let me know and
Blainerb: Just trying to impress you, Perry, but I see we have
failed. That being apparently true, I guess we might as well
pack up our marbles and go home! (sob, sob) :)
In a message dated 7/28/2005 8:01:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Since size matters to
In a message dated 7/28/2005 8:26:40 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Satan comes as an
angel of light deceiving with miracles also.
Blainerb: I keep hearing this--but other than some obscure biblical
passage suggesting it might be true, what other evidence is
David, I appreciate the substance and tone of this
post you wrote to Judy (apart from whether or not I happen to have the same
opinion about spiritual inheritance). I wanted to say something similar but you
didso better than I would have. The reality that we are powerfully
influenced by
Translation 101
Translation:
ENGLISH to Spanish
again de nuevo
Changed words
Againto arriba
Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Butwe know Kevin don't we that interpretation is not the same as
"translation"
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:12:05 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Everytime
A Jesuit attempt on King James' life was discovered when 36 barrels of gunpowder were found in the cellar of Westminster palace where King James was to speak in a few hours. Guy Fawkes and 3 other Roman Soldiers of fortune had taken an oath to assassinate the King. Their pledge was sealed with a
Emotional reactions can not be resolved with FACTS and LOGIC!
"I know the church is True"
"I know the church is True"
"I know the church is True"
"I know the church is True".[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 7/27/2005 6:42:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Izzy asks Do you have a
biblical term that expresses mans spiritual condition prior to receiving
Christ as Savior and Lord?
Okay, I willaddress your question and
then try to summarize my position. I chose not to answer your question for the
following reason: implicit in your wording
Thanks Blaine, that reminds me.
LDS ETERNAL UNIVERSE, PROGRESSION is
BIBLICALLY UNTENABLE
Science tells us for every effect there is a cause.
The God of the Bible is the Cause of ALL that exists
The god of Mormonism comes out of what already existed, so what is the root cause?
Ther God of the
God created billions of souls for the express purpose of sending them to hell
WRONG
Framing the discussion with your evil thoughts, does not make them God's thoughts:
2 PT 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing
So using LDS "Logic"
We see without a DOUBT the RCC "MUST BE THE ONE TRUE CHURCH"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blainerb: Interesting Dave, thanks--I have copied a part of one of the below site addresses for the quick and easy perusal of TTr's:
Here's the 2005 list of the largest U.S.
Please do
Why did the LDS Jesus need to be saved?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 7/28/2005 12:06:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: Sometimes you simply entice me too much, Kevin. As you know, I feel no need to feed the monster in you that wants to
some obscure biblical passage
See "Mormon Doctrine" it says under the heading - Angel of Light - "The Devil"
So why does your Intro in the DC identify Moroni as an "angel of Light" or as Bruce says THE DEVIL? No response from you guys on this one?
What do you mean OBSCURE? and maybe you should
So even satan and osama bin laden are in
Christ in your opinion? iz
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Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:30
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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death
IF it were the same,
JD, I give you scripture (You must be born
again, for example) and then you tell me it doesnt count because there
was a better translation meaning another thing entirely, or it was a
nonbiblical term, or then you dont care if its a biblical or not
as long as its a biblical concept, orizzy
Excuse me but isn't it pantheism when God and the
creation are one and the same?
Our God is transcendent, that is, above and apart from
the Creation. Only the New
Creation (which is spiritual) is in Christ.
jt
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:25:17 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Col 1.16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and
that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or
principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for
Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things
consist.
It is not
Yes, "Pantheism" means "allis God."
That, however, is not what I am suggesting. As to your other comment, I will
direct you to the post I sent to Izzy.
Bill
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Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
I fixed a typo.
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From: Bill Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death
Col 1.16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and
that are on earth, visible and invisible,
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is
lawlessness.But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our
sins. And in him is no sin.No one who lives in him keeps on sinning.1
John 3
acc to the Ap john,
JC voluntarily removessin--all of it, perpetually
i volunteer
tolove
John 3:21 says what it says and verse 31 does not contradict it. The question isthis: when is birth from above (verse 31) a reality in my (our) life. The Spirit, since the incarnation and the cross, is a part of who we are all of us. We can accept this gift or
..volunteeringto loveLove, like the Ap John
does,to lovehim who volunteers to love me perpetually,
unconditionally, isthe normal modern response to the
NT
it's rooted
in(his) healing..
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:40:57 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:22:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As I see it, they didn't. "Death" in Genesis only refers to physical death.
I cannot think of anything that book that conflicts with that statement.JD
jt: I can JD - Look at the "mystery of godliness" in the 2nd Adam (1 Timothy
by contrast, G-m's
apply(theoretical) obedience training, manipulating a dog to a certain
behavior, to the subjects of NT because they never volunteered to love
Love..
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:00:38 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..volunteeringto loveLove, like the Ap John
does,to
lol-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:49:15 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death
Butwe know Kevin don't we that interpretation is not the same as
"translation"
On Fri, 29
I cannot think of anything that book that conflicts with that statement.JD
Well.
That settles it then.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:22:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As I see it, they didn't. "Death" in Genesis only refers to physical death.
I cannot think of
We had an enjoyable family discussion
around the dinner table tonight about, among other things, how God is the
source of everything that exists in the universe, and how He is the one who
holds it all together by His word at every momentfrom the vastness of
the universe to the quarks that
Izzy asks Do you have a
biblical term that expresses mans spiritual condition
prior to receiving Christ as Savior and Lord?
Okay, I willaddress your question and then try
to summarize my position. I chose not to answer your question for the following
reason: implicit in your wording
Thank you, Apparently I do need some help.
Jd-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:11:30 EDTSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!
In a message dated 7/28/2005 12:11:43 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL
I asked for examples of those who heard these words of Christ and were sent into all the world (the 12 apostles). They and the other evangelists, never used these very words - you must be born again in order to be saved. Never. Why? We have thrown water baptism out as that sacrament that
This bears repeating -- so here it is again -- let it sink in. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:06:31 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
by contrast, G-m's apply(theoretical) obedience training, manipulating a
That would be the word "dead" or the phrase " dead already" -- kind of like your discussion with Bill at this point.
Jd-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:23:07 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death
I prefer "you're right again, John" to "that settlesit," but I will take what I can get.
Jed-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:15:00 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death
I cannot think of
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